Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How Inmates Get Prison Nicknames

Episode Date: June 30, 2024

How Inmates Get Prison Nicknames

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And she goes, what? And she jumped at last day's guys all. Hey, this is Matt Cox and Zach, and we're doing another podcast, only this podcast is on, was it crazy names? Yeah, some of the weird names, the nicknames that you get in prison, you know, like, people don't want you to call them by their government name. That way, that way, if you see him doing something wrong, you're not able to, like, they snitch him out by saying, you know, Matthew, Bevin Cox, I saw him going in. stupid you know what's wrong with these guys i saw him spitting into the sink and not turning the water off whenever he was brushing his teeth you're not conserving water what was the name matthew bevin so yeah it's just the social security numbers smart things smart things that

inmates so did nick so did you have a um prison name i pushed um uh chainsaw pushed chainsall it did not catch on when i went from the medium to the low and i realized it's important to have a good like nickname kind of prison name you know so I got there and I pushed chainsaw and it's just I want you to think for a moment

who had the nickname chainsaw when we were at Coleman I don't know I remember there was that dude 21 you remember I remember 21 you go why did they call you 21 because it 21 bodies on my case

you're going to be 22 you keep asking question that's it no problem 22 Nice to meet you. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? That's the question Matt is asking himself. I don't know. Who is it?

So I'll throw out a couple of hints. White boy. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? So it's down to like 10 guys. So there was me, Reese, who were the other eight guys? One of them was chainsaw. Probably there for math. No.

It's not there for meth. That's another hint. who was chainsaw at Coleman when I get to hit number five he's going to know immediately I don't know all right so that's hit number two short Sheldon

what is it Thomas Thomas who's Thomas there was old man Tom and there was Thomas do you remember old man Tom I remember old man Tom had robbed

in the 70s or 80s he had robbed several banks went to prison only did a few years got out robbed several more breaks well no when he got older he had to have a heart transplant he had to have the and he said i know who will give me a a transplant he said

i can't i don't have insurance i have nobody to watch me nobody to take care of me how am i going to take care of myself after a heart transplant he was like in his late 60s or something he thought and he goes i know who will fix me and he went into a bank and rub the bank he just walked in no disguise that's a there's like you're you're like almost 70 like what are you doing get everybody And then I think he turned himself in or called himself in or something. They arrested him. He got like seven years. And it got his heart.

He got a heart transplant. And got his heart transplant. And lived happily after that. Yeah, he had a good time. Yes, he did. He knows what he insurance. He was in the room with, with, it was old man Tom and Thomas. That's right. The little short guy, remember?

Yes. He was the guy that went to prison. He was the guy that was, they were making math and selling math. He and his wife. and he and his wife had like the same lawyer, and both of them pled to 15 years, and then his wife got sentenced a few hours before him, and she went in, and when she came out,

his lawyer said she got six years, no, she got, I'm sorry, she got five years, 60 months. And he was like, oh my God, like, we were supposed to, we were both on the same, we're both equally responsible. Right. We're both making the meth. We're both living in the same house. We're both selling, like nobody ever said one of them was the ringleader.

We both pled for 15 years. I'm going to get, oh my God, I'm going to get five years. That's great. He goes in. They said, do you have anything to say? No, I'm good. Everybody says nothing, nothing. Well, the judge says, well, after you getting your wife involved in this whole scam,

or this whole meth conspiracy, and you teaching her out of meth, make meth and the abuse that she went uh you put her the mental abuse and just apparently when his wife went in she got up i met him he was doing meth he got me hooked on math he totally got me into everything it was all his fault i never wanted to do it i begged and pleaded for him not to do it i had nothing to do with it i happen to live in the i don't know why i'm even on the adipid just completely cried and begged and plead and the judge was like i can't believe that man led you down this path and gave her five years and then he got on and then he got on and and gave him 25 years,

gave her the, him the extra 10. He didn't give her. So when he gets sentenced, the judge is like, he's like, do you have anything to say? No. Judge goes, okay, well, I'm going to give you 240 months. No, I'm sorry.

Three hundred. I'm going to give you 300 months. And he's like, okay. And he gets 300 months. And he thinks, no big deal. Have I told you this story? He goes, he goes, okay, 300 months. Okay.

So he, and his lawyer, he said, I remember my lawyer looking at me, going, you okay? And he goes, yeah, I'm fine, that's fine. He's, I mean, I expected it. I expected the 300 months. And so they put the cuffs on him, the marshal does, walk him back to the marshal holdover, go inside.

He sits down, guys that you went from the marshal, from the prison to the marshal to the holdover, like guys are sitting there staring at you, and they're going, so what did you get? Everybody walked in after sentencing, like, what did you get? And he, you know, what did you get? And he goes, he goes, 300 months. They're like, 300 months.

He's like, yeah, I expected 15 years. So, you know, I'm okay with it. So, I mean, I know I was going to do 15. You know, and they're like, no, no, bro, 300 months. They go, that's not 15 years. That would be 180 months. 300 months is 25 years. He goes, no.

No, he goes, it's not 25 years. He goes, I signed for 15 months, 15 years. My wife and I did, they go, bro, I don't know what you're thinking. Add it up. 300 months is 25 years and he goes So I went Holy Jesus jumps up bangs on the

Hey I didn't speed my lawyer freaked out Who wouldn't I mean And he realized then later When he talked to his mom His mom was like Oh

You know your wife You know Cindy got in there and said That she'd never done drugs He was that fucking bitch Was doing meth when I met her We were at a file Like he's like

And the whole thing she did Was just complete bullshit he is everything was bullshit but they love to do that that's that's their that's their complete fallback though oh the women are victims of us evil evil men and he was like I should have like he's like when the judge started saying I can't believe that you got your wife involved in all this he is I was kind of like what's he talking about like what is he what I'm looking at my lawyer my lawyer's like you're the lawyer's always like it's okay it's okay it's okay yeah calm don't say anything don't say anything don't say anything don't make me work yes don't make any waves we're

going to let them bend you over gently. When they say it's okay, it's okay, they mean, I'm almost done with this. They're going to sentence you and I won't ever have to talk to you again. Do you understand? It's okay. It's okay with this, I'm this close to getting out of here. Getting out of here and ignoring your phone calls for the next 25 years. So.

Chainsaw and Coleman was probably about five foot, your height. Five, six. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember him? Man, I don't know anybody five foot six. The only person I even remember is Thomas. That's only because he was like five two.

I loved him. He was awesome. Yeah, he was. I like anybody shorter than me. So a white guy, not in for meth. Like five, your height. Wait, that's the little gay guy, the little pedophile guy. I was going to say lollipop.

So as I say lollipop. Yes, because one day Yeah, yeah, he had the lollipops Walk around He was on the rec yard With no shirt on And some shorts A little tiny short, tight ass

Like had a cameltoe shorts Like Sucking a lollipop And Matt's like What the He even walked up Me and Matt are out there He walked up to us

And Matt's eyes Like this big He's like chainsaw What are you doing? This guy made me He made me look like a tough guy. He goes, what are you doing? He goes, what do you mean?

He goes, you're, you're in federal prison and you're in short shorts, no shirts sucking a fucking lollipop. Like, help! Like, what else says, rape me? Yeah, yeah. People keep buying me tennis shoes. Congratulations. Like, hey, I'll send my boys to you.

I got you. Now you remember chainsaw. So I pushed chainsaw, but it just didn't. I had a guy that actually told me. So you called yourself chainsaw? Oh, yeah. I told you. They were like, they're like, oh, yeah, I was like, well, I mean, my name is Cox.

It's Matt Cox, but I'm thinking about pushing chainsaw. And I'm thinking chainsaw. Well, that has a whole different meaning. Yeah, yeah, now it does. Yeah, but guys are like, yeah, you're not a chainsaw. And I'm like, no, no, let's go with chainsaw. I think they're like, no. Now, I did have some guys that would scream, like they would see me because they thought

it was turned into kind of like a joke, chainsaw, what's up? And I'd be like, what's going on, man? They'd like, yeah. It just never took off. It just was Cox It ended up being Cox I know But Matt

You don't think I'm a chainsaw Bank of America does Ask them Dangerous They think you're shredded But Matt How could you take that name What that?

I mean I thought it would be cool And you know Kind of almost comical Funny but it didn't take off The original chainsaw Well I did was obviously Clearly I wasn't thinking About the original

When thinking about lollipop That should have been his name Yeah Because I heard he sucked But all right All right All right So we're here to talk

about some funny prison names. Of course, I asked some of the people that I still talk to in prison if they could hook me up with some pretty good ones. So I emailed them. They emailed back. My friend, her name is Shana Inlow,

E-N-L-O-E. Her nickname is sweets. They call a sweet. Sweet-N-L-L-O. Wow. We just lost 20% of the subscribers. You think so? No. Come back. Come back. To get better.

Come back to get better. Well, no, we get to go to the analytics and watch the dip. Like, what happened? Sweet and low. That's what happened. Is Sweet and Loa a guy? No, it's a girl. Oh, okay.

All right, all right. Like, this is, it's okay. Her name, her name, her name. Her name, okay. Because she's telling me about some of the girls there. One, her last name is Poole. They say they call her city. Her nickname is City, City Pool.

because everyone's had a dip. Oh, my God. Not another in the ratings. Nobody left. Say whatever you want now. It's wide open, right? What it was in that front? Come on.

One more. One girl's name was Sack Rider. I don't. Sack Rider. Horrible. It's horrible. All right, but she didn't give me the reason for that, and I guess I have to imagine myself.

all right but all right for me my favorite my favorite nickname was a very unattractive

stink breath stupid guy that I met at Jessup and we used to call him shit bird oh he like

missing teeth breath could knock a buzzard off of a shit truck right that's horrible very stupid just look like

a of crap in the form of a bird. We used to call him shitbread. I thought that was the funniest name that I'd ever heard. What about you? No, I mean, there's, you know, you've got, listen,

I've met, you know, 40 pookies. Yes. You know, there's a lot of pookies. A lot of pooky. I met a guy named bunny hop, black guy named bunny hop and had like a bunny, like a hopping bunny like tattooed on his neck.

Oh my God. And had bunny hop tattooed. And I was like, and one day I was just like, why bunny hop bro he's like man you know when you're a little kid you do the bunny hop and i was like yeah he goes i was really good at it so my mom started calling me that and it just stuck i thought they've been calling you bunny hop since you were a little kid you got it and you got it tattooed on your neck like it was like when i was seven yeah what's up yeah yeah for my birthday what's your point cox um what's your point chainsaw let me think let me think guys don't be well how many how many countries

Did you, like, I mean, what? People called country. Oh, every white redneck was called country. Or big country if they were the big fat white redneck. Yeah, what, what, what, uh, open country if they were gay and white, but. Gordo, I mean, Gordoes. Gordo, oh, yes, much gordo Gordo. Yeah, lots of Gordoes.

Um, then I told you there was a one guy, there was a guy named, I, I knew a guy, we was like, almost like an albino. They called them, they called them a pinky because he was super pink. Like, he would go in the sun one day and be pink. And then he wouldn't go in the sun for a day or two. Then he'd go in the next day, turn pink. And he'd go, like, he literally couldn't go too many days. He just had, like, no pigment.

No pigmentation. And they called him, yeah, pink or pinky. Who else? What about, so how about something that are named after animals? Like moose? Oh, my man. Any moose's dog? Oh, I mean.

Yeah. I told we were laughing about the black man. Black man, yes. The dude named Black man so, he was black. Oh, yes. He was, well, and there's a lot of blacks. Do you remember black from Coleman? Yeah, yeah, there's a ton of blacks.

Yeah, a ton of blacks. Literally. African Americans, damn it. Literally and figuratively. African Americans. But the nickname Black, yeah. A ton of blacks, literally and figuratively. Yeah.

Well, and sometimes their last name would be black. That's true. That's true. what else do you remember black from harman's class with the bad breath gold teeth everybody with gold teeth if you got gold teeth it's just ranted just disgusting it's unbelievable I don't know why people would put that in in horrible horrible um what else what else and then we was this is the all the guy we host this the same this is like a routine what we we we we

Yeah, wee, wee, and doodoo. We had a wee, we and a doo-doo. They were selling. Doodoo was the shit. And do-do was the shit. Doodoo was the shit. Doodoo did legal work at Medium, right? Yes, he did.

Yes, he did. Was he good or was he pretty shitty? He got like 30 years or something like that. Yes, he did. Rees knew Doodoo, though. Yeah. He argued with Doodoo a lot. yeah yeah i had a i don't know why i got dude i don't know why i let dudu do my legal work

neither do i reese what was he like who who who should i get to do my legal work what's funny is that like reese is my cousin yes i don't know well i had a cousin in prison and i's yeah and he was there for math like rice was probably the main reason i used to hang around you guys all the time yeah Reese Reese had the hook up on everything everything no matter what you need Did he knew? Yes. What do you need? Okay, hold on.

I will get it for you. He'd walk off and come back and have it and get this and get that and do that. I mean, he could get anything. He was still, he had still had like, and his, he still had like, at one point they gave you prison hats. Like you could get a green, like a green military issue hat. He had like four of them. Yes. Like they hadn't been.

He had everything. Yeah. They weren't making, you didn't, they didn't sell these hats or you get these house for like 20 years. He's got four of them. Reese was. a professional prison. Prisoner, absolutely. Like, he could give a class in being comfortable and, like, making, actually advancing in prison.

That's what Rish did. And how to come up in prison. And he had the, he also, his locker was perfectly compartmentalized. It was amazing. I mean, he had every square inch filled up in his locker, like stacked from here to there. And you'd say, Reese, do you have any such and such? I do. Hold on.

He pulled this out and this out. and this out and he'd reach back and he pulled this and he hold on okay there knew where everything was it was amazing and one little locker and he had tons of food he like i don't even know like for him to put all that in there was probably hours of work milk cartons boxes he would take whatever you needed to make it yeah it was it was phenomenal phenomenal and the guards wouldn't search him it was strategic they wouldn't search him because they're like i'm not i'm not taking this shit out like this is insane. Like, this is, this is ridiculous. Pat. Right. He said the law, the, the, the warden one time was going around doing cell inspections and was like, like, literally like yanking stuff out, pulling stuff out, walked

into his cell, pulled all of his selling stuff out, was looking through it, opened up his and looked at it and went, whoa, and looked at him. It's like an IKEA, it's amazing. His locker like an IKEA living room. Everything is like, what is the, what is the term for when, the squares and the circles are all in perfect spot. Symmetrical? Symmetrical. That was the word I was looking for. So she looks at him,

looks at him and looks at the thing and looked at him and went and just closed it. It just kept walking. No, wait, wait. Do you know what she said? She said, she goes, this is pretty impressive like that. And he went. And then she goes, and closed it and then walked on it. But I'm glad you mentioned Reese only because I got to tell this story.

I've never had a chance to tell this story. And it's one of my favorite Reese stories. Let's hear it. And you will, it's perfect Reese. All right. Was I there for that? No, you weren't, because Reese told me the story later. I wasn't there either.

Oh, okay. So this is funny. So, uh, um, it's funny too, because we just watched the West Watson and the look like, you know, like guy, you know, your ass, you know, it's like a starfish, right? So they call them a starfish. Okay, just that's what, it's good. It's all relates. Okay, okay.

No homo. So, okay, so here's what happened. So Reese is locked up, you know, he's locked up at one point with two other guys, you know. So they're all locked up. And the lockers, when you open your locker, one side of the locker has, it's got an inlay of a piece of steel and it was sharp, right? You're what I'm talking about? Because one slows and he closed the other one and then it locks. Okay.

You can't pull them open. So it was about, it was count time. They were all getting down. So you were talking about the bunk beds are three levels. So the guy at the very top, Reese had gotten out and opened up his locker and sat down. And the guy at the top bunk started climbing down. And as he's climbing down real fast to,

because they're counting, you have to be stand up for count. So as a guy's climbing down, he fucking climbs down the little, the little ladder. and the fucking, that sharp piece of steel catches him right in the middle of the fuck, right in the middle of the ass. I mean, he said literally he dangled there for a second. Feet off the, because he was like,

and he literally, he's like, ah! And he yanked himself up and he's like, ah! He goes, man, he said blood started bleeding immediately. And Reese was like, oh my God, he slammed the door. He's like, what's going on? The guy, he said, so the guy's dancing around, a guy's hand up on his ass, right on his asshole, going,

my god oh my god oh my god i hit my ass my ass my ass and he's going what the fuck he's like there's blood everywhere bro he's so we're all we're all standing like what the fuck what the fuck oh my god and he goes he said look he said wait wait he goes he goes he's what are we going to do because look let me he goes so the one cell he's saying bro we're all going to the shoe like you can't have that much blood like this guy's bleeding out of his ass it don't look good right that that looks like there's a rape that happened or something right so he said he's screaming he's like did you, where did you cut yourself? He's like, I don't fucking know, man.

I don't know. He's like, well, where is it? It's on your ass? Is it next to your ass? Like, can we, can we stitch it up? He's like, I don't know, Reese. And he goes, fuck. He's like, what are we going to do?

He's like, bro, you got to, um, he goes, let me, he goes, let me, he goes, I can't see. He goes, bro, you're going to have to, you're going to have to drop your pants, drop your pants and bend over. Let me see. He goes, man, fuck you, man. He goes, bro, come on. I'm not playing around.

This is funny. He says, let me see. Let me at least find out whether you've got to go to medical or whether we could fix this. I got to know how big the gashes to see if it's going to stop bleeding. Right. He goes, the other cell, he's like, got out of trying to mop up the blood and stuff. He's like, you know, they may probably will notice as they go by and look in your cell. And the guy's like, God, he's like, come on, let me look.

I'm not fucking around. I'm not playing. I'm not playing. Bro. Just let me see. Fuck. He said, the guy pulls his pants down, bends over and spreads his cheek and, and, and, and, and Reese looks down and Reese goes,

ooh, that's the prettiest little starfish. The guy stood up, he was like, fuck you, my, my. And he goes, it's fine. He's like, you're fine. It's a little scratch. So listen, here's the funny thing. Reese goes around. And guys are literally, so guys that don't know anything about this are calling this

starfish. He started getting everybody to call him starfish. So guys are walking by telling them the story. Oh, you know, guys are walking on. What, Starfish? Hey, me, fuck you. What? Mother.

Then they go back to Reese and reason. He's like, man, I just told, like, two or three people. What do you do? Like, literally everybody. And I saw him one time across the comment. I go, what's up, Starfish? He goes, I'll beat your ass. And I was like, hey.

Like some guys can get away with it, but not you. Cox. You're five foot, nothing. So, yeah. That's a pretty star. That's a pretty Pucker, pucker. All right, all right.

All right, so we're trying to get some more funny names. You remember sidewalk? No. Do you remember Mr. Freeze? The guy with narcolepsy that would stop? You were in the program with them. Remember you went to that special unit where you were? Oh, yeah.

You said he would be sitting there in a chair watching TV and all of a sudden just go. Boom! On the floor. like what the yes he would walk across you see him walking across the compound and all of a sudden he just stop

and fall asleep but he wouldn't fall he just stand there when he stood up he would fall asleep but he wouldn't and then like a minute or two would go by and then he

and keep walking narcolepsy you remember how he got locked up how he was in state prison and wrote the letter he was like he was complaining oh no no

that wasn't the guy that wrote the letter to the president to the vice president Listen, do you remember? I thought it was the president. It might have been the president. It was the president.

She's wanted to fuck the dog. Yes. I'm going to, I'm going to rape and I'm going to kill your, he said, he said something like he's going to kill the first lady and their, and their kid. This is the Bush. But he was in state prison. He wanted to go to federal prison. Right. And he'm going to rape the dog.

Yes. So he's like, hey, I know how to get out of here. I'll write a threatening letter to the president. And he wrote it because he wanted, he was in state. He goes, I want to do my time and fed. And he'll have to run it concurrent. So the state of Florida has no air conditioning. So, I mean, literally everything is soaked with sweat.

Your mattresses, everything. It's hell. So what he did was his cell, he was complaining. His cellie said, you want to go to the feds. The feds has AC. And he goes, man, I do want to go. They said, you can do your state time while in federal custody. He said, you get to commit a federal crime.

And he said, well, what's a federal crime? I can commit while I'm incarcerated. And he did. Right. Wrote a letter to the president, threatening the president, the rapist dog. and to kill him and mailed it off. And he said it didn't take three weeks before the fed's like, let's go, took him out of state prison and put him in federal prison

where we thought he might have been happy. You know, when I was in the shoe, he came back to the shoe when I was back there. So I saw him like, hey, man, what are you doing here? He's like, you go, eh, I swallowed two or three batteries. Like he was, he was completely crazy. Now, that wasn't Mr. Freeze? No, that wasn't, that was Mr. Freeze. No.

This guy swallowed a couple of batteries. He was crazy. I forgot. I think his last thing was Spencer or something like that. I don't know. He swallowed two or three batteries. I got another guy that I know you'll remember. Who?

Itchy? Yes. I remember itchy. Good time. Itchy had an issue with bathing. Many things. Yes. Bathing was definitely one of them.

Yes. He had a very bad temper. He was the only one that could get away with cursing out. the warden so he would curse out the warden it would send him to the shoe and the psychiatrist would go get him and bring him back out of the shoe put him on the compound he could walk he could walk on the grass yes we couldn't like you go you get in big trouble like he would walk straight to go didn't never had to wait in line for pill line no would walk straight and everybody like if I there's 40 guys waiting for pill line and I go to the front of the line

like I'll get my ass beat you know you what's your pill line yeah medication is important he walked straight to the front of the line and everybody hey hey what's up bitchy was Not a big guy, but he was just totally insane. He was completely crazy. What was his tagline? You know how Bart Simpson said. What was Bart Simpson's tagline? Oh, he did have one.

Bart Simpson had a tagline. What was it? Icaramba. Oh, yeah, Icaramba or something. He did have one. You don't remember what it was? I do. It's going to come to me.

Why don't you tell me this pre-broadcast? Because I would have had it. I'm going to think of this on the way home. I'll tell you. I know what it is. Oh, you do? What is? Of course.

I still want my dick. sucked. Do you remember he said that all the time? That's right. He's the guards. This he said it to the guards. The guards would be like, it's a. Get off the grass. Get off the grass. And he'd walk. And they go, come here. Come here. I don't want to see you on the grass again. I'm tired of calling you to do. And then he said, and then he'd go, get out of here. And he'd go, he'd turn around and he'd go, I still want my dick sucked. And they go, it's a. Itchay. And he'd just walk off. Yes. He could say that to anybody. He could say anything to any, any guard.

Insane. Insane. Coleman, man. Coleman Media. Good times. It's good times. Always, always something going on. But there were like, we had, remember Bumblebee?

Yes, I do remember Bumblebee. He was a black guy, a little, about my height, they're shorter, but muscular. Yes. Right? Yeah, nice guy. Yeah, he was. I think, I think he was in for. Like, I think he was like one of the black guys selling meth back in 2007 and six.

Oh, an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. Remember doc? An innovator. Doc, who the old man, Doc? The old man, Doc. Oh, my God. That knows?

He had the long. Yes. You know, I think he died in 2012 when I looked him up. Yeah, he was on his way out. Remember his hands were turned blue? Yes. They just hired him in the library to sit in that little AV room and do nothing and interview people. day.

Where Doc was the first, he sold, I seen his case, he sold pills to Jeb Bush's daughter. Right. Jenna Bush was, Jenna Bush or something was her name? Yes. Well, he, do you remember, I remember, we saw his paperwork. Do you remember they, it's this horrible, it's horrible to laugh about because I know, but it, the description is like, the one, the girls like laid out in like the woods, like, with like an oxycodone on her tongue.

It was just like But you know they blamed He didn't stage a drug A drug What do you think? I think it might have been oxy I mean like the pill bottles here There's bills everywhere

One's on her tongue It's like this is staged I don't even believe this It's that bad Remember when they said during the They sent an undercover in there And he just touch his neck for a second Oh yeah

Describe him like like 60 oxies Like you're in pain Get out of it Yeah, a total pill mill. And I think they got it more for the draining Medicaid, Medicare. Yeah, you know, that's what he got. He ended up like, it was like, did they, they didn't get him for the death. They didn't get him for the death.

They got him for Medicaid or Medicare, whatever, one's federal, which some one of them state wants federal. They got them for that. And then whenever you asked him, so how much time do you get, I got a life sentence? Well, you got a life sentence. And then you would go, well, he got 30 years. He'd be like, 75 years old. love it to die in here it's a life sentence and it was like well did you do did you commit the medicare for it and he told me everybody everybody the rest of us were criminals he was not a criminal

yeah yeah he said oh i don't know my staff might have done something i don't know what they were doing yeah they were your staff prescribed all those medications yeah yeah yeah he had night terrors remember yes you were selling wait a minute wait how do i remember your stories he was his Selly for a while. Yes. And he was screaming. And I'm up, right? He's an old white guy. He's an old white guy. He wasn't myself for a while. And he was in there screaming. In the middle of the night, middle of the night. In the middle of the night. So I jumped up and I'm like trying to wake him up and I'm like, wait a minute. I'm a big black guy setting over this old white man. Screaming. Screaming. I go, they could probably think I'm doing something to him need to kind of stand over by the door they'll avoid any problems so yes he did

have night terrors do you remember what what they were about what he was saying they were demons now i remember you told me one time his god i'm glad you have a good member this well why we've discussed because i because i i only i'm saying like i'm remembering it now like i just remember because i it's stuck with me okay well i forgot it was he was screaming like you bitch you bitch And it was his wife was trying to shove him in, what? Do you remember? Was it acid? No, it was like an oven or something.

Like, it was something like that. Like, we didn't quite know what it was. Like, it was like, she was trying to do something to him. He used to tell me that. He told me when he woke up what he was dreaming about. Like his, I think I told you a couple of dreams he told me about. And his wife was like the nicest, sweetest. Well, he was, he was too, Matt.

He was an ordinary old guy. Yes, he was. He had a temper, but he would do anything for you. If you needed anything, want anything, he would do anything for you. He just, he was honoring. He's had his way all his life. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that was an adjustment for him.

That was an adjustment for him. Yeah. To die. Someone to go to die. That was horrendous. Yeah. That was horrendous. All right.

So we have a couple of names. Treetop. I'm thinking he was tall. What about rooster? It's a cock. white out white out white out let me let me tell you that that that there was no white out at coleman

this was at jessup okay the guy's name was white out white out got a black eye while we and he blacked out that's how like the guy hit him so hard he said he blacked out so we're like white out blacked out yes so he was he was at I think he owed someone money something we were at jessup

and an old guy Whiteout was one of those he was like you a little bit when he'd get mad he'd get loud or he'd get aggressive sometimes

with people with absolutely no fight in him at all you're like hey hey listen dude you know what I'm saying yeah I'm not gonna do anything

but I'll get loud and you think he might I might snap yes yes that's how he acted like he very sarcastic you know at times I like him yeah he was cool

Whiteout was cool very sarcastic at times so at one point I guess he was talking to someone in Unicorn that kind of he was kind of over his section and he's talking it was a white guy and the white guy punched him like punched him super hard

in fact white out told me he was holding his coffee cup he had something in his hand and he dropped it and he was kind of like wait a minute like let me pick up my instead of like getting ready to fight he's kind of like oh I dropped my coffee I can get disoriented you know you're like

hold on a second let me grab my coffee So that's just kind of a story I remember about White. I guess it's not that funny. I don't know what it is. Why do they call him White Out? Because he was extremely pale. Oh, okay.

That makes sense? Yeah. Yeah, no. There's a guy named, yeah, go ahead. Pork chop. Didn't you know a pork chop? Oh, I knew a pork chop. I knew a pork chop in the meat in the low.

I knew a pork chop. Tell me about your pork chop. Oh, God. He was, it was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was sellies with him for a while there, too. He had one, he was, of course, he was overweight. Pork chops are always overweight. Yes, they are. So he was really overweight.

He was like a, God, what gang was he in? He'd been in prisons his whole life, by the way. I remember his stepfather murdered his mother and like his brother or sister when he was like 12 or 13. And he got stabbed several times. He just didn't die. Wow. So the father was dead or in prison. prison for life or so it was just gone and then so by the time this kid's like 14 15 years old he's

in prison uh out of prison in prison you know like in and out of prison his whole life right uh had been in state had been and then this he got this federal prison sentence of like 20 something years and he uh yeah he had and he had sleep apnea so he had to wear the machine right and he wouldn't wear it he snored so loud and i would bang on the bed and go come Come on, bro, pork chop. Come on, bro. And he'd go, blah, blah, right. And then he would put it on.

He would, this is what it sound like in the middle of the night when he would fight with it. It would be going, it would be, no, wait, how would it go? Yeah, it was like, and he would grab it. And when he put it on his face, it would be like, and he would like, and then silence. Yeah, yeah, it's fucking, but you could, and then in the middle of the night, he'd take it off and you could hear him. like it was like a he was wrestling with it all night so it was either snoring or him you know and he looked like a you know he looked like a fighter pilot with it you have seen like they got straps and everything dangling off the side and and yeah it was uh yeah he got to stay in the unit all that

like he just god he just complained and and and he but he was he was a nut job he was a complete nut job uh when i remember yeah listen he was he was he was nuts and He's like always had a knife and was always ready to fight and he was bipolar. He was always screaming and hollering. But he was nice to me, but he would get crazy and ate all the time. I mean, just, he just, he was like a feral child. Like he had no, he couldn't, anything he bought was gone. Like, if he got five bags of potato chips, like they're all gone.

Immediately. Immediately. He'd eat them for the next straight for all night long. It's like, you just got back from chow. You know, it's just. Well, our pork chop, the pork chop I had at Jessup was a guy, he was kind of, he was kind of overweight, but he was some kind of like gourmet, gourmet prison chef. Like, not only was the food. Not only was the food delicious, but it was pretty.

Like when he designed a bowl, like the rice would be in one corner at attention, the beans would be perfectly set up. with the meat in a certain area. And he'd tell you, look, don't eat it separate, blend it together counterclockwise. Perfect flavor. Like, cheesecake that was unbelievable. Like, he would buy an ice cream and let it melt. And that's what the liquid he'd use with the coffee creamer

to make cheesecake that were, I'm talking, he made a marble, like a raspberry marble cheese. cake that look like something you'd get from the cheesecake factory. You'd see it and he'd cut you a perfect slice with a little parsley or something on the top. You're like pork chop, huh? Yeah, they would make crust out of cookies.

So they make crust and then they mix it with something they would bake it or in the microwave and it would be hard. Like it'd be real hard. Like crust. Yes. And then they would, yeah, they would substitute all these, it's not like you're going to the store,

you're buying all this stuff from Commissory, but they would substitute, like you're really eating cheesecake in prison, even iced and everything. It looks amazing. It was really, it was creamer. Yes, it was creamer.

It was creamer. They'd take coffee creamer and milk or like he had ice cream or water and they'd mix it all together. And then they would either make it hard and fluffy or they'd add in M&Ms or he used to slice Snickers. he would take a snicker and freeze it with ice, put it on ice, and then slice it. Listen, unbelievable. My mouth is watering right now.

Unbelievable. What pork chop was a cook, but you'd be like, oh, my God. This is amazing. Yeah, yeah. He was unbelievable. Light skin, every set guy, took pride and always told you how to eat it. Don't, no, no, no, don't start it to back. Look, the little part. Listen, in the medium, do you remember the medium?

Because in the low, they didn't do this. In the medium, they had, I mean, they have stingers in the low, but there's, stingers everywhere in the medium and what they would do is they would take the garbage garbage cans yes they take the garbage super hard plastic right and they would pour fill it up with oil and they put the stinger in there and they would deep fry they'd make wraps they call them wraps what do they call them out here like burritos they call them wraps there because they so they would make like chicken burritos yes and they would deep fry them and they would pull the mattress off the top bunk and there were guys that like took orders all week

long and then Friday night would come and they would have a hundred or 200 of them all in it guys would show up our phone containers people coming stolen from the kitchen yeah they're people coming on the units and pick it yes yeah they're restaurants yeah they had like a little restaurants that you do you like you know hey man can I get to they go did you put it in order well no I didn't put it on I'm bad we can't I can't bro I'm sure I'm sure sure yeah and you're like what's going on man this is pretty like give me one of those over that no I'm I can't bro that's pookies it's pookies you know how pookie gets that's pork chop Oh, no, no, I'm not. I want to touch. Don't touch pork chops food.

You know, that kind of stuff. It was, it was like, it's like being in a small city within a city. Yeah. And, and, and it's called knowing, like, the fact that they know their environment enough to know who's working when that allows them to cook. You're like, oh, no, are you kidding me? Such as such as working. And like, you're going to be able to cook shit. Yeah, yeah.

Tomorrow night. Yeah. Or tattoo. Yeah. Tomorrow night is wide open, baby. You'd have some guards would come in and immediately, like, take your stuff and take the tattoo gun and take the ink and do this and write up our, um, other COs would walk in and watch. Yes.

And be like, yeah. Spend the whole day out on the balcony smoking a cigarette. Like, who gives the fuck what's going on in there? Right. I've had, I've come in the unit one time and it's not like a restaurant. Like they have multiple people. I'm like, what the hell it's going on in here? Good stuff.

It's wide open. I had, do you remember DeGeronimo? Yeah, I do for some reason. Yeah, he was a, he wasn't Indian, but he was member of the pretendians. They're fake Indians. Yes. For the tobacco. Yeah, for the tobacco.

Yeah. You say you're an Indian and then you get to basically, they have like inside the federal prisons, they have a little area where they get to pretend to be Indians like once or twice a week and they do little rituals. But what they do it for is they get tobacco. So they get so much tobacco to smoke for the piece pipe. And so they pretend to be Indian. But he painted and I remember one of the COs wanted to get a tattoo and actually had some artwork and liked it

and brought it to DeGeronimo. He goes, can you make this better? Because he tattooed. DeGerona goes, he was, give it to me. Let me take it. Oh, yeah. He was an awesome artist. He was an amazing artist.

He redrew the whole tattoo and it was phenomenal. Then the guard came to me and showed me, goes, do you think you can improve on this? And I looked at it and I went, no. Who drew this? And he goes, DeGeronimo, I said, bro, I can't touch this. This guy's amazing. Like, I can't even, what am I going to change on this?

This is phenomenal. It was handcuffed. and a print like he did this whole for the CEO for the CEO the CEO then went outside and got another artist not he would have let de Geronimo do it oh there was a uh god this is Coleman medium right there's a medium I think I know what CEO you're talking about yeah yeah who's kind of a little bit overweight he was uh for what they called him he was actually like he was middle eastern everybody thought he was Puerto Rican but he was actually Middle Eastern he was cool as hell yeah it was super cool um

Oh, man, yeah, yeah. You know, DeGromo one time did a... Yeah, accident, too. I think I remember. Coifish on his, like, this guy did a whole coiff. He did like, we're talking about a whole body. Like, this is artwork with prison junk that is, that looks professional like you couldn't get on the street. You know, it costs you $2,000 on the street.

DeGeronimo would do it for like, okay, I need $50 in commissary, you know. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. What's some other prison names? What are some... We've got a bunch of them. Well, I told you about pickle puffer. I think he was gay, right?

I mean, not openly. But he never explained how he got that name. Yeah, I couldn't. No. I'd have to change prisons. You can't. No. No.

Chicken wing. Chicken wing had the... He was a guy that. had like yes the little little arm yeah the deformity yeah they that's how that's listen you want to talk about about being concerned about people you know out here it's all like oh don't say that you're hurt his feelings you can't call him this you got to call him this they call the dude named chicken wing they called him chicken wing yes horrible yeah horrible we lean into their shortcomings there people like they accept them were you there when the guy they called them like

they called him like they called him like six nine or something he was like six nine man it's amazing all these names are like we just lived in this environment and six nine oh yeah I remember him do you remember when what when they patted him down when he was leaving the chow hall yes and he was loaded no he wasn't this was it if oh he wigged out no I'm talking to this female CEO they're all walking out out, they're all being patted down, pat it down, boom, boom, boom, boom. And she pats them down. And she goes to the inner thigh and she goes, what are you doing?

And she goes, he goes, what? And she, she's grabbing his dick. And she goes, what's this? What's this? And he goes, that's me. And she goes, what's this? That's me. And she goes, what?

And she jumped at, listen, these guys all supposal. I wasn't there, but they went nuts laughing. And she goes, get out, go. All of you, just go, just go. He tugging on his Johnson. That's me. That's me. He was six nine, wasn't he?

He was huge, yeah. And he was a big guy. He wasn't tall and skinny. He was a big, solid guy. Laid back, calm, demeanor, everything. Yeah. Six, nine. I think I do remember.

And hung. And hung, obviously. Apparently. Like, what's this? What's this? I think she said, I don't know if she said this. like I don't know if she thought he was saying that's meat or something that's me he might have been that's that's me this is meat let me see this meat I'm dying to show you when do you get out

what was the other oh man who come on who else you think why do I have to remember all these names you know my memory's bad you're the one that's bringing up all the stories I'm trying to think you know what's so funny and it's like in the low I saw like I see guys this is funny like I saw as much if not more there was more stuff in the low happening like fights and stuff than there really was in the medium if there was a fight it was serious like somebody got seriously hurt there wasn't a lot of fights at coleman medium no but it was not in the low there were fights but like nobody ever like got seriously hurt but like there's there's guys getting cut with razors there's guys at the low there was a guy called they called him uh there was two guys

I'll tell you, one guy was called Porn Star. And the COs called him Porn Star, which I thought was hilarious. I think that that's the classic. It's a good name. When the COs call you by your list of names. You know what that is? You're elite. That's respect.

That's right. So the COs are like, Porn Star, what's up with it? He was, well, what you know, man? What you know? I'm just mind of my own business here. Porn Star had his neck fused, okay? Like he was no porn star. It was not because he was a,

formerly a porn star. This guy was like five foot three, had his neck fused, walked around like this all the time. What? What? What? They were called him porn star because he had all the nudie mags. Good for him.

So you get like nudie magazines. And the guys will get like a real, maybe a real, you know, they got some, they got extremely explicit porn, uh, porn mags. And then they make copies of them. Well,

they take, they put tape over them. So the guys, you know, Or they'll take them in the shower. Take them in the shower. They can get them wet. And if something happens, they can wipe it off.

Reusable. Recycle. Right. So Porn Star, he rented out the magazines. Like for like a book of stamps, you got to keep the magazine and it had maybe 50 or 60 pictures or whatever. You got to keep it for like a week, you know, you romance or, you know, for, you have like a nice little week. You know what I'm a girl. Some of them girls you fall in love with, but go ahead.

and then there was a guy they called his name was truck so truck rented urban novels

urban novels so one day truck rented an urban novel for whatever it was like it was literally it's like for like three dollars or six stamps or something you get to keep it for a week

you could read it in a week so like a week went by and he had a little ledger and he got to the guy's thing, he said, hey, man, it's supposed to return that book yesterday. And the guy was like, I know, man, I let my boy borrow it. He packed out or he lost it or he got, whatever, got it take. He's like, nah, man, he's like, that, that, that books, that's 15 bucks.

You owe me $15. He's like, man, that thing, that thing's been around forever. You got your use out of that thing, man, that thing's old. You had that for you. He's like, what you talk? I got to replace it. It's 15 bucks. man they start arguing basically finally the guy the truck was little

finally he he's like I go fuck fuck off you ain't gonna fucking do nothing fuck you and he's like truck goes all right walks back to his cell gets a lock gets his uh whatever maybe his belt or uh you know a sock ties it up ties it around his thing puts it in his hand He's got himself a little bit of laying. Walks in there. Guys laying in bed.

Not even thinking anything of it. Walks up. Whack! Whack! And I mean, that dude yanks him off the bed. Beats, listen, blood everywhere inside this little cell. These cells are small. And there's blood on the wall.

I mean, he, that, you could hear that dude screaming and holland. That guy climbed. They were, they were, you know, they were like cubicles. Right. So the wall doesn't go all the way top. goes up about five feet. This guy literally, he couldn't get out because truck was in the way of the exit.

So he jumps up and jumps over the wall. Blood everywhere. Truck was also about to go to... Camp. He did go to a camp, by the way, to do it. Because I remember after the whole thing, I hear the screaming and everything. You see the guy running off.

I mean, he's got welts and cuts all over because, you know, a lock will mess you up. You get these little circular cuts all over your body. He takes off running. Anyway, I don't know I want to say that guy Because I remember the guy's whole eye was red His whole one of his whole

The entire eye was just bloodshot red Like he hung out for a couple days We saw him around like in the in the unit Like trying to stay Stay away from the CEOs Eventually they grabbed him And I kept thinking well they grabbed him They're gonna get they're gonna get

They're gonna look at the cameras But half them cameras don't even work No Or someone's Yeah or someone's gonna The two-legged cameras Right or someone the inmates is gonna tell on them And look at the, it was not, at the medium,

you could do something like that and not have it catch out with you. Literally at the low, it's catching up to you within hours that's that bad. Wow. Never caught up with him. He actually, like two weeks later, he was put on a bus and he went to a camp. And the other guy got grabbed and put to the shoe. Never said anything. But I remember going to, like, a couple days later, I went up the truck and I go,

bro, what are you doing? He's like, what? I go, you're going to a camp. They just put you in for a camp. He's like, man, dude disrespected me, man. You heard how he, I can't let him. talk to me like that. I said, what do you give a shit how he talked? You're going to a camp. He said, I don't

care. I don't care. You ain't nobody talking to me like that. I was like, I'm like, I keep the book. Truck laid back, keep the book. Truck's a laid back guy but he's like, I'm not going to take that. And you know, it's funny, like when he packed out, like he couldn't take half the books he had. You're losing

half the books you got anyway. What are you doing? They only, you know, when you pack out, they only let you, you can take 10 bucks, you can take four socks. You can take, like, you can only take so much stuff so he couldn't even take half he's got a hundred books what are you gonna do well he didn't have any consequences so he yeah he didn't know he wouldn't have known the consequence of that so but these guys they get you know they they have that whole respect

to that mentality yeah yeah but but like sometimes he can get out of hand there's certain things that come on mad you you got a to it in a tv room about hey we're changing that was i was never gonna do I know, but there's certain limits that you're like you've got to set some boundaries. I was going up to the edge. I'm not going over. Hey, what about, do you remember the CEO? Hold on. Keep it real.

You ain't keep it in real. Keep it real. Do you remember? I forgot about it, yes. Do you remember a guy slammed him? I heard about that. Yeah. I heard about it.

Well, he, yeah. And both of them. still stay like keep it real like he's been in multi keep it real been in multiple fights I think he likes it he was tiny little Puerto Rican guy the Puerto Rican guard he was cool because because he would he would come around and catch you he'd be like hey y'all need to fire your lookout boy if I'm able to come up here and see this your lookout needs to be fired like hey he's right you're fired asshole he was funny he's short and you didn't see shit you know he was funny he was and that was his his catchphrase was uh

You ain't keeping it real. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, man, you know, no, no, no, keep it real now. Keep it real now. You ain't keeping it real now. You ain't keeping it real. You know you ain't supposed to be out here. Keep it real, man. Now, all the COs called him keep it real. Hey, who's working tomorrow?

Keep it real. Yes. Listen, the COs were ridiculous. They would get into fist fights. They were getting to argument. Oh. Do you remember Fed and, do you remember Fed? You know Fed's son came to work?

He worked at the low. Really? So there was a guy, there was a CEO named Fed. F-E-D. His name was Fed. Was it D-D? It might be D-D. Yeah, F-E-D.

I kind of remember, was he a white guy? No, black guy, tall, thin, super quiet, very nice. He got into a fight with another CO? Yeah, he got into a huge argument. They never got into a fight, but they literally were saying, like, both of them, like, let's, in the parking lot. Oh, there were multiple in the low. there was we had a CO that came in and like the first day you know how when they change the COs per every quarter they rotate the series he came in he had just been

assigned from the medium because and he so he first day when he comes then you know someone will give a talk all right everybody I know you guys already heard about me and I'm I'm I'm fair and he gave a little talk he said and also if you've heard that I'm not at the medium anymore because I was in a fist fight with another CEO in the in the in the in the in the parking lot that's true but he had it coming and I don't want to hear anybody say anything uh other any anything something you know disparaging about me he said because I beat that motherfucker's ass and I'm you're going this is this this is where I'm at the grown men the CEOs are fighting each other yes they're like half of

were addicted to oxies. Of course. They're all sleeping with each other. Sleeping with us. The professionalism and it only it's digressing more

and more and more and more. It's just getting, because there's no time to train them. Yeah. Like I've been to the website and they're like

we're hiring. Come in and get in a great career. Like they pay them excellent money overtime. I learned, I learned like I respected them

when I was at the medium because I thought they were maybe professional. but then I kind of when I went to the pen I realized like these people aren't professional at all

no listen in the pen they were hiring these black girls hood and ghetto as hell ghetto as hell I remember one I'm trying to remember what her name was because she was flying

she goes man my paycheck was $1,000 like she's like I've never made that much money in my life there was there was a there was a lieutenant at the medium

no lieutenant at the low that had been at the pen and was under investigation at the pen, and so they sent her to the medium. So she was under investigation at the pen because she was sexually harassing a CO underneath her, wanting to sleep with him. And he kept saying, like, look, I'm married, I'm this, I'm that,

I'm, you know, I just got married, like, I'm in love with my wife. And one night she got drunk, and she got pulled over, and the cops, of course, they don't, you know, But they're, like, they're all cousins, you know. So they're not going to, I'm not going to give you a DUI, but you can't drive away. Call somebody. She called a few people, but it's late. She texts this guy at 2 o'clock in the morning and says, look, come get me.

I'm here. I need you to come pick me up. I'm drunk. The cop's going to let me someone come pick me up, but I need you to come pick me up. The guy texts back, I can't. It's 2 o'clock of the morning or 1230 or 1130 at night, whatever. it was inappropriate for you to be texting me text him and he says i can't i'm with my wife she was i'll make it worth your while i'll suck your dick and she texts him the wife finds it

she says we're getting a divorce or you're going in and you're filing a complaint and you're showing them this tomorrow morning he went into work boom she's been doing this for a while i could show you text that she sent me here's this last night she sent me this so they scooped her up and stuck her and they under investigation put her in the low like they don't they don't they're not going to investigate it right they're not they're not going to investigate it right you all separate for a while let's see what happens right well just make sure you two aren't at the same i mean it's like you know ridiculous and you're still in the same complex but yeah you're not going to be at the same institution where she can have influence over what you do right so she's not to be able

to call over there and if you're supervisor and say hey get that dude to hell she was horrible she was a horrible horrible horrible i mean she walked around and just tormented guys that's because of her rejection. Yeah, but I'm not, I mean mean, just a mean person. Like just, just would walk over to you, you know, you're sitting there eating and she would walk over. I remember, ooh, reverse discrimination. She was a black chick. I'm sitting there and they would give away pies, right? You remember if you get the pies and some guys are like, I don't want my, but they're pies piled up. Like, they don't want them. Right. So I had like three pies. So I sat there there one day and I ate a pie. Now, there's a black guy sitting next to me. He's got four or five

pies, right? Also. He's finishing. his pie, literally eating his pot, like finishing it. And I'm sitting there finishing. She walks up, she goes, you're done. And I went, ma'am? And she goes, you're done. Let's go. I went, I'm still eating. And she goes, she goes, you got three pies there. This guy's got like five pies. And I'm like, I'm, and I look and he's sitting there eating. It's just like his second or third pie. You know, and he looks at her and she goes, you're done. Let's go. Now. Now. And I went, yes, ma'am. I stood up and went to grab the pie. She just leave them.

Because, you know, I'm ready to sneak him out. They would never check me. You know, they don't, they type of check all the black eyes. Where's the reverse discrimination? Go ahead. She let him stay. She's doing me, me and she hated me. She hated me.

What about not getting checked, white boy? Listen, listen, this was in this event. Usually it works for me, which I'm okay with. All right. So I get up and I have to leave. She let that guy sit there. Yeah, I went up to him later. I said, did you see that?

He's like, yeah, I know. He said, he sucks, doesn't it? Good. I say good, yes. These pies were good. That's good pies. Yes. Did you ever get the biggie cookie?

Big babies, the big cookies? The big cookies? The, like, one. Oh, at Coleman? Yes. Yes. I remember those. They came in boxes.

Oh, my God. Yeah. They stole a bunch of boxes. Oh, are you kidding me? The macadamian. Yes. The red velvet, yeah, and with the white chocolate. Yes.

The red velvet one, oh my God. Listen, you have no idea. Like if you go months and months without having like a cookie, like a real good cookie or ice cream or something. When you get it, it's like a little taste of freedom. Yes. I mean, you can't imagine how you're like this is, dudes are fighting over this.

Guys were buying, guys are buying, they'd have 10 and 15 of them. They're buying them. Guys are stealing boxes out of the, out of the, chowel, they had a, they could steal out of the chow hall, too. Yes. Oh, at the low? Sometimes, the medium, they had it down. Oh, my God.

It was a profession. Yeah. In fact, when I worked in the kitchen a short time, and they would tell them, hey, get your mules up here. You know, like, I want everything that's leaving here to leave here before they start the child. Yeah. So on Pill line, their mules had to be up there.

People like, hey, make, they tell the compound guys, go tell them. It's all money. Yeah. It's like the compound guys. were messengers. Go to E2, tell Titty that I need him down here at three. Before they start child line,

tell him to sneak out when they call a pill call and get on up here, it's like, get him a shit. He'll go, he'll go a couple of stamps. Thank you, dog. I got you. Do you have any more, the names? No, I mean, they're all, like, honky. Come on. They called, that wasn't your nickname?

Listen, it's so funny. the names are just so black like you would never call like fat man you'd never like on the street who would take that name right but those people offered up those names like they go hey what is your name what do they call you they call me fat man you know yeah yeah that's what you know and you say hey I was just about to do that yeah I said I came in I said you know chainsaw they went no no no chainsaw I'm no that see for me paper cut for every paper cut is better for Everybody else, that's cool. For me, that is a horrible, that only brings to mine to Lottiebock.

Because at the time, you're like, chain sock. You're like, come on, chainsaw. Yeah, I, listen, I got, I ended up getting, it was, it was just Cox. It's Cox. That's it was Cox. I was Zach. It never, it never, yeah, it's, yeah, it's not your name. You don't have a good name.

That's the good, Zach is, that's because you say Zach, like, you don't have a good name. Like, I, you know, the problem is you have to have, like, you have to have, they're like, street guys that get those names. Right. You know? And like I just couldn't. It's fit it. Somehow it fit their personality.

They blend into it and you learn to accept that's who they are. And there's always, there's always someone in the unit that knows them by their street name and their government name. You ever been to the mail call? You know, they'll go, Thomas Wilburn. Hey, Paul Chop! Yeah. Matthew Cod. Hey, Chase-all!

You got mail, huh? Thank you. Good times. Good time. We should go back. God. So horrible. Yeah, I can't think of,

God. Commissary and just so horrible. Just such a horrible existence. Well, yes. Going to commissary sucked. Yeah. having commissary didn't suck so you had to go through the grocery shopping doesn't suck no going to commissary sucks yeah horrible having commissary doesn't suck get up to the windows

they get up the they don't have it hey well you didn't give me my ice cream we don't got that ice cream no no no okay you don't have okay well can i get chocolate can i get chocolate no you didn't put down chocolate no substitute yes yes you you you had peanut pecan I'm spending money I'm spending who gives a what's funny is you're staring at like the chocolate that's right here. Like, you're like, I can see the chocolate right there. Give me the chocolate.

Give me the guys that banging. You better get out of here right now. Because they're saving it for somebody. Shh. The guy touched the window. There was a chick, there was a chick they called, they called her,

what they call her Barbie doll? No, they called her, oh, commissary Barbie. Commissary Barbie. They called her Carmissary Barbie, blonde Hick. banging multiple guards. She would yell and scream at these guys in the window and

she was yelling at this guy one time. Who was a doctor? And she's screaming and holler at him. And he goes, he puts his finger on the thing. Goes, shh. Like that. And she goes, get out of here. He goes, he, he, he, shh.

Get. You can't, there's a window. You can't touch her lips. But he acts like to touch it. Ridicke up. Oh my God. Good time. Why do you keep saying that?

Moments, good moments, not good times. Moments, good moments. Because we laughed a lot when we were there. Oh, man. All the time, we were, it was hilarious. And it was always something going on. There was a story. Did you see what happened yesterday?

You know what I'm saying? You know when it became horrible? When? Although there were some good stories, when K2 started hitting all the compounds. so K2 is a substance like I don't know if everybody knows what it is it's basically like what it's it they could

it's a chemical compound and they could spray it on paper spray it on paper so they're just you just get your mail and it's like it's on the second lower the lower left hand corner of the second page so some guy would call somebody's like yeah I'm sitting in some stuff it's on the lower left thing oh okay and then they get it and they get it and now I've got a little sheet and they would cut it up

and roll it up and they'd smoke it and it was these it was horrible debilitating yeah they couldn't even move yeah somebody i heard it was like bug spray or yeah yeah that was the big thing guys who know rat poison and all that stuff and so you would very addictive so i'd be you'd be in the bathroom right and guys would be on the ground like acting like they're swimming i mean and you know there's there's piss on the ground this is this is this is this is not like the bathrooms at the medium or the pin this is a wide open six toilets for 180 guys and some guys laying, some guys crawling through all the, all the, with a toilet star, you know, trying to swim, you're like, that fuck, and they're, uh, or they're, or they

think they were on fire. Yes. That was an epidemic so bad. They were rushing those people to the hospital. Yeah. Oh, listen, there were guys that had like brain embolisms and all kinds of problems. Funniest thing I ever saw. Well, not funniest, but it was just pretty funny, though.

One time there was a guy where you could tell, like, I was in the TV room and I could, you could tell all of a sudden you could see all these people you get the sense for what's happening around you even though it was outside like all of a sudden the the movement outside i'm on the second floor the movement outside suddenly changed and i looked and because everybody just kind of stopped and they're all looking so there's a guy running around on the grass um so which immediately gets your attention so he's running around on the grass and the other the guards are running around him like trying to corral him. And so finally,

so now we're all up, looking in the, we're holding on the bars, looking out the window. And he's like, so you've got these guards, and the guards kind of start to close in around him. And they get around him.

And they're closing in. And he's screaming and screaming and he's doing this, and he's doing this, pulling his shirt off. And all of a sudden, oh, he yanked his shirt off. And I'm thinking, like the way they're approaching him,

like is to see, have a knife? Like, what's going on? And he's screaming and hollering and all of a sudden, he yanks his pants down. Now keep on he was on K2 and he had, you know, he thought he was on fire.

So, but he, when he yanked his pants down like the guards, like, jump back like this. Like, we were like, they were like, literally like there was an explosion of the guards all of a sudden went, and then all of a sudden they looked at each other and they rushed him and grabbed him and threw him He coughed him and dragged him off, screaming, he's on fire.

I mean, that's just like, we woke up in the middle of the night, like the other, you'd wake up. This happened once a week. Guys would wake up, and they would start screaming. Like, they would go in the bathroom at night. Like, you couldn't, like, to me, I would go to the bathroom just before. Like, as soon as count was over, go straight in the bathroom, use the bathroom and leave. You didn't want to go in the bathroom later. You didn't want to wake up at one in the morning or 12.30 and go take a piss because there's,

Guys are getting blow jobs. Guys are having, oh, it's horrible. Keep mind, there's tons of showers. And the COs, you got like one CO for two units. So for 360 guys, you've got, yeah, that's 3,000 per unit. And it was a lot of homosexuals. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. And so you've got a bunch of, you got one CEO who basically every three or four hours,

he walks around and counts, right? like you know so um and they would so you had two two units uh two units upstairs two guards per you know they can't watch the whole thing they sit in there they play so you got like three and they have a lookout like they these guards can't possibly come in here and catch you doing nothing right anyway so so um what was gonna say is guys would go in the bathroom and they just smoke and every once in a while they get a bad batch or have a you know You could smoke it. Lots of guys smoked it plenty of times.

They were like, I'm fine. Everything's fine. It's just like, I'm just getting high. You know, and then other guys would go in and smoke it. And the next thing you know, they're screaming at the top of their lungs or they fall down. And they're just laying there on the floor twitching and trying to, trying to move. And guys, you would literally see guys holding two guys holding a guy's leg dragging him down the, down the hallway to his cell. And then they'd pick him up and put him in his cell in his bunk and cover him up and just.

hope that he was okay in the morning and it was it was horrible but some guys would get there and they would start screaming they like they'd be they'd smoke it go lay down in bed make it wake up fucking on fire and scream and hollering and so you're sitting there

and they're all cubicles so two cubes down and this goes on for five minutes you're sitting there all you've got your your hands covered guys are trying to tell eventually the COs come One guy comes down, he realizes, okay, nobody's, there's not a fight, he's just screaming.

Then they get the other, next thing you know, the lights are on, there's 10 COs, they pack them up, they put them on a stretcher, they take them away. What's so funny is how many times that would happen. And because other guys would see, oh, God, they're going to do a shakedown to try and find it, they would, knowing I have the same batch of K2 that you have, they would immediately go and smoke it. So now you've got 15 people screaming. It's like, what did you think was going to happen?

What did you think was going to happen? They just took away pookie. And now you've got doo-doo screaming. You've got white boy. You've got old country. You've got everybody screaming now. Yeah, I mean, it was just pure insanity. Up all night. It was, oh, God. And then in the morning, you've got to get up.

It's not like you say, listen, I can't do it. I got to, let me sleep it. We're all going to sleep in today. You know, we were all up late last night. They're like, funny. Lights are on. Get out of the unit. I'm just like, oh, God, you're out on the rec yard.

It's, everybody's talking about it. So what happened? Oh, my God. This is horrible. It was ridiculous. Good times. Good moments. Good moments.

Only funny thing. And I don't think this was K2. related but we had a streaker and the only reason I want to tell a story because it's hilarious because they well this guy wanted he wanted a mental transfer he's like I want to go to one of the hospitals so he asked them and like they were like no you're going to be fine here so then he took off his clothes and he'd run around the compound naked and they'd have to surround him and then the psychiatrist went and got him out of the shoe so on the third So, like, they wouldn't transfer.

Like, he was in arguments every day about get me out of here. No. So then he'd go back to the unit at lunchtime, take off his clothes, and run the compound. The important part is on the third time, right, because I guess some of the COs were fast. I can catch him. Let me do it. He decided to oil down. Nice.

So he's oiling. So he was in our unit, by the way. So he's in his room or where. he was oiling down and then he runs out he's like move move move like we're all you know we're waiting to go to chow all standing by the door you're move move move move move move if you look back and he he's coming he's butt-necked and he runs out and the COs at the door that are there he runs out and runs on the compound of the ones that the oh I'm sorry the ones that the door is just standing there I go you're not going to chase him he goes I was a cop for 20 years

I've already captured enough of naked people in my life. I'm done. So he's running on the compound. He's oiled up. So now they're chasing him. So just like you said, they're surrounding him. They want to get him.

So they grab him and he slips out. And they're, you know what I'm saying? They're reacting to the oil. Yeah, they're grabbing him. So we had a little short CEO that just ran him down. Like he's running this way and his short CEO kind of corners him and

tackles him. It's not really a tackle where he grabs him. It's like where he knocks him off his feet, right? And so when he hits the grass, right, they're trying to grab him and he's slipping out. Well, the short CO has gotten him by the penis. Oh, my God. And you don't even know that, right? Because until he flips over.

Now, I'm at the child hall, so we're watching this as they're trying to surround him. So you see him grabbing him and he's trying to slip away because he's slipping out of everybody's grip and he's got him by the penis and he flips over. over. That's when you see he has him by the penis, because he's doing like this, he's pushing back, and you see the guy, shh, shh. He immediately, he's like, what? But the other ones came and grabbed him up from the top of the body than when they got him. They're like, he's oiled up, he's greased up. That was one of the, because the first two were funny, but the second one was hilarious, you know, because he's dodging him. The fact that he could slip out of their grip,

I did not know that oil worked that well. Yeah, I'm sure. It works excellent. You grease up. That's why they do it in wrestling. It's an excellent deal. Sorry, I was thinking about... Good moments.

Nice, good times. I was thinking about Palmer. Do you remember Palmer? White Palmer? That was my man. I wish I could have kept up with him. He had been in prison multiple times for bank robbery. Yes.

This is a guy who told me, this is an educated... This is what bothers me. You're an educated white guy. How can you not make a living? Like he literally, remember why he went, he was a little off. Yes. But he was smart. Very.

Right. So he literally, here's what he, he robbed a bank. He would rob a bank with a note. They would give him three or four years. He'd go to prison. He'd get out, try and make, try and make a living, couldn't do it, go into a bank with a note. He'd get out. They'd give him five or six years.

He'd get out again, try and make a living. living and he told me and I was like why do you keep going back to prison and he goes I just can't make a living like I can't support myself it's like how is that possible he's like I just can't I mean I've tried I get I can't live on minimum wage I just can't do it and he's like but I know so what do I go and I rob a bank and it was like turn himself in one time remember one time with the girls this time when he was in prison he turned himself yes yes and and um he was upset about that conviction because most his prior convictions had been five years they gave him 15 years for that last year are you serious yeah because before he was he teetered on the edge of bank robbery

and and larceny see there's a very like I used to talk to him about his case I always thought it was interesting there was a very interesting argument he said I never robbed the bank I committed larceny he said I used the bank's rules to obtain money he goes robbing the bank would taking the money from the bank. Larceny is actually procuring the money through the bank's rules. He showed me that in legal terms, and he's right. You know, the law requires banks,

the FDIC requires that they do not put up any fight if people go in that bank and ask for money. Right. So when he wrote that note and he gives it to them, right? As long as he's not threatening, he's non-threatening, their rules require them to give him the money. Right. Right. Okay.

Right. So he teetered the line of what's threatening and what's not threatening. So the prosecutor, of course, told the teller to say that she felt her life was in danger. Okay. So now it's threatening. And so now it's a robbery and he got 15 years. Whereas the other three times, he only got larceny because the teller didn't feel threatened because he was very courteous. He even records, he records himself when he goes up to her. You know what I'm saying? So he could tell them, I never threatened her. Right. I didn't know that.

I never even used a harsh term. Yes. Yeah. I remember studying his case. I thought it was very interesting. When he showed me that, I'm like, that's an interesting concept that you're fighting. I thought when you start talking, I thought maybe I remembered it wrong. I was like, no, he gave him or no, but you're right. It wasn't threatening.

Yeah, and he was very, he was adamant that he was non-threatening. That's how he was. But yes, he couldn't make it. And he had this mental block where he's like, okay, I need to go away for three or four years and come back. He was in a mental hospital at one point, too. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Didn't he even escape one time?

He put on a bunch of clothes and climbed. lined up over the fence, not in, I don't, I don't know, I don't remember him telling me about escaping. I know he did extra time because he started, he was fighting guards, but he, he has some mental blocks. He didn't seem like a fighter to me, but he wasn't a fighter. He was just, he was a puncher. You know, they say something he didn't like, he'd punch him. Maybe not hard. I don't know, but he, you know, he got a couple of charges, though. Um, yeah. All right, what are we doing? Are we wrapping it up? We're wrapping it up. Yes. Yes. All right, all right, so, so if you like the video, do me a favor and subscribe, hit the bell, hit the notification, leave a comment for the algorithm, share the video to as many people as you possibly can.

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