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These shanks are like samurai swords. I'm getting tore off the frame. Where I start shooting them like Indian. A man's worst enemy is his conscience. What I have to deal with for the rest of my life is the poor decisions I made. Growing up being Hispanic, we're taught what to think, not how to think. We're deprived of our identity as individuals. So we grow up in these hostile environments where,

you see robin, killing, stealing, pimping, and jugging. So growing up in these environments and without our identity, and we're taught by the school system that our leaders are Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, the Latinos, the Mexican community, is ignorant of its identity. So we become a product of our environment. It's like a hot cup of coffee. You set it in a room, it becomes room temperature.

And growing up in Houston, we have a culture that's very diverse of its own. So you're going to see grills like I have. You're going to see people rolling 80-folds talking about, hey, man, say main, talking in a different slang. And being Latino growing up, you're going to be confused on who you are. What do you want to accomplish? Most Hispanic families, they're doing construction. Most women, they're cleaning ladies or their servers. So for me growing up in Houston, especially on the south side, the southeast, Revely Park,

I grew up seeing my mom be pimped out, pimping herself out, a high-paid prostitute, right? So in and out were different men, breaking them, and around, I could say, when I was seven years old, I seen her overdose on cocaine. She actually died in front of me. So during the time I made a big transition and I went to go stay with my dad. Yeah, I was going to say, where's your dad? My dad, he really wasn't in the picture. At the beginning from what I heard, like once you get in the streets, you hear a lot of stories.

My dad was moving drugs, selling dope, whatever the case is. But when I transitioned to go stay with my dad, my dad was never in the picture. He came in the picture like two years later. By the time he came in the picture, he was straight. I got on dope. It's straight crackhead. So my grandma and my uncle raised me. And I understand that they did their best to try to help me navigate within society.

But truth is, they're not my parents. And when I spoke earlier about the identity crisis, my grandma only spoke Spanish. I'm Americanized already. And the school system, they tell you you can't speak Spanish. If you speak Spanish, you're going to be in the special A class. They're going to say that you have a disability or learning disability. So growing up, I was lost. I was confused.

I didn't know which direction to take in life. And are you familiar with Huey P. Newton? No. He's actually the founder of the Black Panther Party. He wrote a book called Revolutionary Suicide. But what I was experiencing was something called reactional suicide. Basically, we're reacting because I don't believe that no one's a criminal. No human being is born bad or just purely evil.

We're just dealt a bad hand in life. Some people grow up in broken homes. Some people grow up being abused. Me, I grew up in a broken, I grew up in a broken home. I was reacting to it. I didn't know how, but subconsciously I wanted to die. I felt like I wasn't loved. I felt like I didn't have direction.

So me lashing out, we came fighting in school, having altercations, and eventually it came to turning the drugs. When was this? So I could say I'm around 11 years old. Okay. Around 11 years old was when I fully ventured in, to the streets. Are you still in school or you just...

No, I was actually still in school. Like, the school system in Texas, especially Houston, it's everybody has a broken family. Like public schooling, if you're not going to private school, public school is a little fucked up for the kids. There's like, there's a lot of segregation. I know the media pushes it. Like, there's unity amongst African Americans and Hispanics,

but the truth is it's, we're separated. We're separated. When I was going to school at the end of the year, guess what? The blacks and Hispanics always fought each other. And just growing up in these hostile environments, I could say that what led me, like, just the smoke, It was a way to escape. I thought that I was dulling my pain.

I was numbing myself. And just going around different individuals, like I said before, that we become a product of our environments. I seen everybody robbing. I seen everybody stealing. And then I seen people that had a mom and dad, that had a family, They have people that cared about them, people that loved them. And they had the nice shoes. They had the Jordans.

They had good school clothes. Me, I was wearing hammy downs. So what do you think happens? How do you think a kid reacts to that? You want the nice things and the guys that the guys in the neighborhood that are driving the nice cars and have the girls and they have the nice clothes. What are they doing? But they're selling drugs. Yeah.

And that's something that's. accessible. Exactly. So we become products of our environment and then we start acting out. We're reacting to the environment around us, the emotions

that we're feeling. And it's like the old saying monkey see monkey do. So they gave me the game young to hustle. So basically we're going to sell that Zah. We're going to sell

XOs. We're going to sell XOs. We're going to sell something, right? And me, I learned pretty quick, like, growing to school, I would see these kids, and I ain't never been a dumb kid. I would see these kids. They had mommy and daddy's money. I didn't have mommy and daddy's money. So the easiest hustle was I'll go get some Reggie.

And back then at the smoke shops, they had these drops. And they had, like, cherry, mint, one called Incredible Hawk. So you'll go put some drops on a drop. QP or some reggie. Then you'll put it in grams and sell it at $30 a gram and be like it's some hydro. And we'll bleed them. Basically, this is some reggie. I'm tripling my profit.

On top of that, it got to the point where there's a lot of hood plexing going on in the neighborhood. So say you're from Broadway or you're from Edgebrook. You're not my people. I'm from Revely Park. What is hood? Hoodplexing. Hoodplexing. Basically, like, growing up in the hood, you have different sides. You got the south side, the east side, the north side. But then inside the hood of the southeast, you have Park Place and Revelty.

You got Long Drive. Then you have a Broadway. You got Edgebrook. You got Engrando. So all the whole area is broken up into cliques or gangs? No. It's just the neighborhood. Okay.

This is our neighborhood. That's your neighborhood. You don't cross these road roads or don't cross that freeway. We're not going to cross yours. And sometimes we might interact on a basketball court or at school. But when it comes to doing business, we'll interact. But you're still an opposition. You're the op.

So let's say you're saying, man, I want a K-pack. I might sell you some X here and there. And, yeah, you're good. You think everything's good. I might tell you eventually I got a K-pack for you. And when you come to get the K-pack, a K-pack is a thousand. and I'm going to go to Walgreens and go steal the multivitamins, the Popeyes, the Transformers, the Ninja Turtles.

And guess what? You can get some multivitamins and you won't get God. It's an easy lick. Right. And it's just like growing up, it's just like this is what we do. And it's because you have false community role models. Everybody grows up and they think it's cool to be a thug, a gangster. and it's because they don't know no better, especially in the hood.

They tell the youth that, hey, man, go do this, go do that. Man, we got the nice cars, we got the rings and whatever the case may be. It took me until I got older to realize, ah, they're some fucking dope beans. They ain't got shit going on for themselves. But that was after I came home from prison when I realized, like, man, these motherfuckers ain't shit. When I was locked up, I thought a lot about home-cooked meals. Now that I'm free, I try to enjoy them as much as I can. That's why I like, Hello Fresh.

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I feel like that you don't have positive role models. We don't have positive leaders in the community. You got everybody talking about their OG, they jeed up and they really stand on business. But the truth is, how are you supposed to be the king of the hood if you don't own no property in the hood? You're supposed to be an OG, but you're not teaching the kids, LLCs, DBAs, EIN's how to establish themselves and elevate themselves in the community. Instead, you're depriving the youth, and then you're poisoning our community with false education, but you're not to blame because your OG gave you the game wrong. And the ones that either made it never gave the game back, or the sad reality is

some people died or ended up going to prison for the rest of their life. So, so what, how long, so you start, how old are you when you start selling? So I was like already 11, 11, 12. And what are you like selling on like the corner or you, I mean, you're, I understand you're going into school, but does that, how does that, do you graduate school? Does that, how does that continue? So it's just like, it just continues. Because that's going to catch up to you in school.

And you know what I'm saying? At some point, and they're going to catch up to you in school? Oh, no, I didn't catch up. Like, the truth is the teachers are probably all. high in school. So it's just like going to school, everybody's just selling, and then I'm skipping school a lot at the time. And it's just like it's easy money.

So I wanted Jordans, I wanted fresh clothes. I wanted to look good. I wanted my image to look good. But it came with a lot of repercussions and backlash because when you're making money and you're rising, all eyes are on you. And there's always going to be a hater. And then what they say, if you ain't got no haters, you ain't popping. So there's always going to be someone that wants to plex with you, somebody that wants to fight you.

And it's just, it caused like a lot of violence, a lot of violence. I did a lot of fighting growing up. But it was a testimony. It was a testimony of my resilience that I could say I'm one of the few to actually survive, where most of my friends, they're in a casket. They're not waking back up. Well, that's not from fist fighting. No.

This is, when do guns, do eventually guns come into play? Yeah, guns were always in the picture. I remember when I first got my first gun, it was a 357. I was on Broadway. I was on Broadway. So I'm over here. I'm with one of my homeboys. And we're in the swimming pool.

We're in the swimming pool. We got some females in the swimming pool. So a couple of crips hop the fence, they grab all our clothes. So we hop out. My home boy don't hop out. So I end up getting jumped trying to fight for my clothes. They're mad because we're in their section, and we got their females in the swimming pool with us,

but we're at the community pool in the apartment complex. So I end up fighting them. I get jumped, whatever. Homeboy that was in swim pool got up and took our front, and he didn't care about his clothes. He ran in his boxers. So I end up getting beat up. So I go to the plug, and the plug, his name's Dee at the time, he's a blood.

I tell him what happened. And he tells me, he pulls out of $357, he's like, give me $50. You need to protect yourself. And that's how I got my first gun. And from there, it's like, truth is, I just, like, ain't nobody mess with me no more. It gave me power. everybody knew that, hey, this is, you got that burner on them. It gave you just a different status because you'll have some kids that fight,

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I think some of my friends, they were involved in a lot of, like, they were gang members. So they were involved in like a lot of gun violence and stuff like that. But for me, I always just ran alone. I never joined the game growing up. I was always a very educated kid. I loved reading books. And I actually enjoyed school. I loved history.

I loved reading. And my life is pretty. simple growing up. I'm, I was just an average Mexican kid growing up without identity lost within the realm of existence, just wondering and, um,itating what I see in the neighborhoods. How does this like progress to? How does it progress? It's, it's, it's pretty, it's stay pretty much the same for all the way until I was around like 16, 17. Do you get arrested at any point? Or you're just going to school. I'm just going to school selling.

I'm going to school selling drugs. And it was just like, it was easy. I seen like growing up, I would see all my friends, for instance. They love to do white. They love to do white. They loved to get lit. And growing up, like my mom died from it. So, of course, I'm not going to do it.

So I'm like, okay. And I seemed to have their little nice change. from their mom and dad or they had shoes, whatever the case may be. So what I would do, I always been very intelligent. I'll go cut it up, give them a couple lines. Everybody will be like 15 of us. We're all chilling. And guess what happens?

They're going to start feigning later. And then they're going to say, hey, give me a bone. Right. Guess what I'm going to say. $20. I'll give you a pack for $20. Eventually, you start bleeding them. I ain't got no money.

Give me your chain. Give me your watch. Give me your shoes. And it just became easy hustle. Like, one of my good friends, Flacco, he taught me, you can't be a hustler and a dope thing. You can't get high off your own supply. Either you're going to love the money or you're going to love the dope.

Some of these cats, they hustle just to support their habit. What's you going to be? You want to make money or you want to give somebody else your money? You got to decide. And Flacco, man, he actually laced me up a lot. He laced me up on how to juke, how to hit licks, how to rob. He was actually like one of the big homies in the hood. Everybody respected him.

And funny thing is, his dad and my dad were like best friends. So his dad didn't fuck with him. My dad didn't fuck with me. And me and him, we were just like, we kicked it, right? So, yeah. I mean, do you guys start, do you graduate high school? You start robbing people? So look, this is what happened.

So when I'm around like 16, 17, I get incarcerated around 17 years old for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. What happened there? So I just got done doing a play in the hood. serving some dope. So I'm caught. I'm at my grandma's house. Two individuals approach me. One of them starts talking reckless.

He goes left, says, I disrespected his sister, starts talking shit. I tell him, don't you know who the fuck I am? You better rewind yourself or you're going to get yourself touched. He tells me, I don't get a fuck who you are. He's an older individual. Me, I'm still a youth minor, whatever the case. He's, I don't give a fuck. And my homeboy that was with him, he's my neighbor at the time, he's just there.

He's the one that actually called like everything was cool. So I tell him like, hey, you need to rewind yourself. He's still talking reckless. I pull the burner out on him. I'm thinking he's going to put himself in check. Yeah. Instead, he's still talking reckless. So the plan was just a pistol up him.

So when I pistol-wipped them I kept my finger on the trigger And what do you think happened? Boom They shot them in the head On my grandma's property And I'm like damn I'm shocked too

I'm not gonna sit here and cap and be like Oh I was just No I was just trying to pistol-wook the guy out I was trying to shoot him He lived by the way It just like graze him the side. But I go in the house and I just had my son at the time. How old are you? I was 17.

I just had my son at the time and I tell my baby mama, I tell my grandma, like, man, I got a goal. I give them the gun. I'm going to burn off, right? So I go outside and cops are everywhere. They're everywhere. I don't know. I ain't never seen them get there that quick. So look, they're all drawn down on me so I'm lighting a cigarette. I'm like, I, so I'm walking. I'm like, man, what y'all tripping on? Worst decisions I should have did. They start screaming, put the motherfucking gun down.

I got a cigarette. I said, man, ain't no gut. Man, they drug me, they slam me, they beat me. They did the most. So they ripped my shirt, whatever. I'm in the back of the squad car. And I end up going to Harris County. jail. I'm 17 years old in county. I'm getting cried as an adult. At the time, I never been

incarcerated. I never been a juvenile. I don't know nothing. So, of course, I'm, I'm a little scared. I'm a little scared. I'm young. But I'm like, what do I do? So the first thing I do is I make a shank. Whoever comes at me, like, I'm used in the streets, always having weapons. So whoever comes at me, I'm going to stab them. So they give us these plastic combs in the county. I break all the bristles. I sharpen it on the ground. And guess what?

Someone's seeing me and they snitched on me. Right. Like, man, they stay snitching on me. But I was so smart. Like in the blankets, I would stab it through the blanket and then stab it right there and there's thick wool blankets. So I would stab it and they'll stay. So when the guards shook your cell down.

Right. They couldn't find it, but they kept searching me. So eventually I get into it with the Moreno's over there. They get mad about something. I end up getting into it with them. What is that? Blacks. Oh, okay.

So I get into it with them, whatever the case may be. So I pull the bangor out, I'm going to poke them. So the essays come, they run, man, y'all tripping. They stop me. they're like man we don't do it like that over here I'm like y'all ain't even fucking with me this the first time y'all even talking to me I'm over here doing my time

I mean this is my first week in the county and they're like nah like this how it is we're not going to let the blacks jump on you and vice versa no one's going to jump on them it's just it's about race in here me I'm young I grew up with blacks Hispanics and I didn't understand segregation

and I didn't even realize like, damn, we grew up in segregation. So I'm thinking they're just on some racist stuff. So I'm like, man, I end up fighting a black dude. I beat them up real quick in the back in the corner. We shook hands, everything. So me, I'm still not talking with the Hispanics in there because Harris County, it's very renegade. There's no structure.

There's no order. You'll have some people that try to say, we're structured, we're ordered, and this is how it is, man, it's Renegade. You come in with some nice pair of shoes. You don't have three, four black people run up on you while you're on the shitter and take your shoes. They're going to beat you up. They're going to act like they're all going to wear your shoes or something. It's just weird.

You see a lot of weird stuff in the county. You see a lot of people getting killed, the officers, killing the inmates. So I'm young. I'm seeing all this that's going on. And I'm like, man, where the hell am I? Well, they wake me up one night. The officers, you got to go to court. I'm like, go to court.

Go to court for what? So I go. They indicted me. I got hit with two more aggravated robberies. I already had an aggravated assault with a daily weapon. They finally got my fingerprints in my face in the system. Somebody identified me. Identify you from what?

A photo ID. A previous robbery? Yes. So they identify me and they indict me. In the state of Texas, it's he said, she said. As America turns 250 this year, it has me thinking about the people that really help build this country. Not the ones in history books. I'm talking about American ranchers.

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They hit me with two more robberies, egg robberies. I'm like, where are these robberies coming from? And are these robberies you've really done or they're just indicting you? No, they're indicting me because someone's saying that I robbed them. They're actually indicting me saying, hey, he robbed me. Right. And I guess. But did you actually do the robberies?

I actually did one of the robberies. I did one of the robberies and it was on a car loans. It was on a car loans. So, like, when you go into car loans, it's like it was a trend during the time. Some people were hitting for the saves for about $30,000, $40,000. But I went to car loans and slash we buy gold thinking I'm going to hit for $50,000, or I'm going to hit for some jewelry tool. I'm going to tell you, don't believe the hype.

You're not going to hit for that much money. I'm here for a couple thousand. It wasn't worth it. But to go in, they got to buzz you in. So I ain't have no mask on thinking they're all the way in the back that I should be good. So I let them. So I didn't know they had a camera right there when they buzzed me in. So I go in and then I'll put the mask on.

And guess what? That's how they got me. They got me like that. That's circumstantial evidence. But the lady said that she'd see me in the neighborhood before and that's how she knew it was me. It really wasn't a strong case. My lawyer, he told me this is a weak case. Well, they got me, I got indicted for a robbery I did not commit.

And that's the most craziest story. I didn't steal nothing. I didn't take nothing. I used to take a lot of Xanax back in the gap. And I waited in line. I had a beef turkey and a soda water. I waited in line. And everybody comes to this family dollar.

So I go, I place it on the table to buy it. But like, you ever took Xanax? Yeah. So sometimes, like, you start slurring a little bit. So I'm already, like, I used to take about five at a time. So I'm already, I'm gone. I were taking five at a time. I did what the prescription said.

So I didn't slur. I was fine. I used to take a lot of Xanax. I used to take about five to 20 a day. And I'll just be normal. I thought I was normal anyways. So I go to the register and I'm like, I'm asking her, hey, how much is it? I'm really slurring looking crazy.

So I'm going in my pocket to get some money out. She sees the gun on my head. She takes off running and I'm like, man, why hell did she run? And she's tripping. They got me for aggravated robbery for that. That was their strongest case. But you didn't take anything. Did you pay for it or you just leave?

No, I just left the stuff on the desk and I walked out because I'm like, oh, shit, she's seen the gun. Right. And I walked out like nothing happened. So they tell me about that and they showed me the picture. I'm like, I didn't even rob them. Yeah. And it's really just her word saying she saw the gun because its guns probably not. They probably don't have anything where you actually see a gun.

No, they actually could see the gun because back then we used to wear them tall tis. You know them big old shirts? So it's like we picking it up. I'm already sagged. But you weren't robbing her. I wasn't robbing her. She tried to say that she messed up on and trial what she said. She said that I was slurring.

She couldn't understand me. And my lawyer told her, so did he say give me the money? Do you know? Well, I think he said. No, he did. Breaking her down. But that's another story when I went to cry. When the weather cools down, golden nugget

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Oh, but she tried to say I robbed. Try to rob. Right. But that's not the case. I go there every day for, to get orange juice. I usually go walk around in the store and open up shit and just drink it and then go to the register. But this is the conspiracy that later came to fruition. The guy shot in the head, he approached me behind his sister.

So where's the guy, me and his sister linked up and I just dogged her out. I don't want to fuck with her no more. small world. Her sister knows the lady that was at the family dollar. I don't know what's going on. She accused me of robin. All of a sudden I shoot him. This case comes up.

Now this other case comes up. And, you know, the other case for the car loans came up because I thought I was a fly-est thing since airplane. I just hit a lick. I told everybody in their mama, I was on social media, showing money, and people don't know the cops. Man, they watch social media. You got to watch what you pose.

You got to watch what you say, loose lips, sink ships. I thought I was fly. I thought I was going to hold money to my ear, not knowing they're going to use that evidence against me. And nobody gave me the game. That's why I told you false community role models. Because if someone would have told me loose lipsinked ships, I would have known, better. But they didn't know better, so why would I know better? So I'm over here, and

now I'm going to trial for this. They indicted me for two more aggravated robberies that they tried to say I robbed civilians, that basically I just ran down on people. So I ended up going to trial. I spent around a year in there. My lawyer, we put in for a speedy trial, 90-day speedy crowd. There are weak cases. The funny thing is, it's like, even my lawyer said

they couldn't point me out in person when they did the in-person lineup. They couldn't point me out. They couldn't point me out on none of the pictures, only a side view.

And he said, it looks like somebody went to these people and told them that this is a person that did it. Right. Like coerced them.

Yeah. Because it was only a side view. So in the state of Texas, If the victims don't show up trial, the case is dropped. It's dismissed. I beat two at jury trial. So my lawyer tells me, like... Is it because they didn't show up?

They didn't show up. They didn't show up. It was a weak case, and the God honest truth, I did not commit them robberies. They just placed them on me because they picked me out these pictures. So I beat two. The DA ends up kidding me with something called extraneous. cases. Every robbery in a 20-mile radius, if they said a Mexican, a Hispanic robbed them, that's on you. So they grew about 10 to 20 extra cases on me as extraneous to enhance it.

My first offer was 66 years before I went to trial. How do you think I felt? I felt sick. Yeah, I was going to say, well, I mean, why has it got such a hard on for you? It doesn't, You've never been arrested. That's what I thought. Everybody in the county is saying, you never been locked up. You should get probation. You should be good.

I'm thinking, it's my first time. In the state of Texas, if you kill someone, you get five, ten years. You rob someone, you're going to get a life sentence and never go home. They hold you more accountable

for robbing someone because they say that they have to deal with a psychological trauma or something like that. You're better off killing them. Yes, you're better off killing them. Right. So they offer me 66 years.

I'm young. I don't know what to do all that time. I go back in the dorm, I cry. I cry. I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, I was a gangster. I was just really standing on business. No, I went, got on my bunk.

I went under the cover and I cried. I heard it. I thought I was gone for the rest of my life. So I'm like, I'm just going to take everything to trial. I'm going to fight for my life. So I beat these two in trial. They hit me with these extraneous after I beat them because now the DA is mad that I won in trial. My lawyer tells me he's like, man, these other three cases, you got good action.

Like, I could win, but I'm going to lose one. And the one that I lose, they're going to slam you. They're going to slam you. And he's like, I'm going to be honest with you. If you're white, you get about seven years probation. Since you're Hispanic, 25 plus. If you were black, you're going to get a life sentence. He's always fucked up, but this is how the system is.

He's like, right now they offer 30 years. I don't think you should take it. I think that we should try to still beat one in trial, go after the weakest one first, try to see if, they'll drop something and yeah I'm like man I've never been locked up I want probation I'm not signing 30 years I'm not trying to get a life sentence give me something that I can do he's like well there's something called a PSI a pre-screen investigation and in the county a PSI means please stick it in me the reason why is because you go at the mercy of the court of the judge basically

you go to the crowd by judge. Either you could fight it or you could confess. Me, I chose to confess. I said, man, I'm going to take life into my own hands. I'm going to give it to God. Let's see what happens.

Because I'm not signing this. I didn't do these robberies. I'm going to see what I can do. So we go, we set up, all the victims show up. Every victim showed up. And, uh, I tell them right then and there, like, man, I committed this robbery. I didn't rob this person, but I was there.

This person, two individuals approached me on my property, and I was in self-defense. The guy that I shot in the head, he lived. He contradicted himself on the stand. He said that I walked up on his property and just. walked up and shot him. Homeboy that was with him got on the stand and said they walked up to me on my grandma's property. Right. So he already messed up.

The ladies from the establishments, they were like, yeah, basically I wasn't just violent or nothing. I just went out the money and left, right? The one from the family dollar, she tried to make me sound like a straight monster, but then she was messing up on the stand talking about, he was slurring i don't know is it do you know or don't you know but my lawyer was really really good and then them extraneous cases they only let about a couple people come on the stand but none of them could point me out they said do you see the person that robbed you none of them could point me out in person and i would never forget there was this white guy and i guess he owned

some business i forget but he was telling his story they said he was telling his story they said, you see the guy that robbed you. He said, it was him right here. And I'm like, man, I don't even know this guy. And I had to tell him, like, I'm here confessing to the crimes that I committed and taking accountability. I'm doing this because I'm not going to do nothing older than me. Give me something that I can do.

I just had a kid. Give me something that I can do because I'm not signing nothing older than me. I'm going at the mercy. I'm taking accountability. What can we do? One thing is the judge gave me 16 years. I'm 17 years old. He gave me 16 a year under.

I thought him I didn't want nothing older to me. He obliged you, yeah. I was like, man, I'm blessed. I was happy about it. I was happy, but I was still sick. I went back until the dormant and cried again. Do they have parole in the state? Yes, they have parole.

How much time do you have to do before you're eligible? You have to do 50% on aggravated cases. Is this an aggravated? It's aggravated. Anything with a weapon is aggravated. still eight years. I ended up doing 10.5. So I go back and, at the time, I really didn't know about, like, prison gangs

because Harris County is, it's renegate. It's a free-for-all. Everybody's for everybody. And like I said, I always thought that, okay, man, the Mexicans are just on some racist stuff. The blacks are on some racist stuff. The Mexicans eat with Mexicans. The blacks eat with blacks. Sometimes you see them mingle.

I end up getting cool with Homeboy named Speedy. He laces me up on what tango blast is. And I'm like, I, like, I'm feeling it. And he's like, we're not a gang. We're just homeboys. If somebody tries to jump on you, we're not going to let that happen.

Can't nobody put a shank in your hand and tell you go stab that person. We're not like a family. We're not like Mexican mafia. We're not like Texas syndicates. We're not like B-Stu-Lettos. We're not like the A-Bs. We don't have chain of command.

It's a democracy. You're a man before anything. No one's your superior. We're just homeboys. We're here to protect each other and protect the Mexican people. So I'm like, okay, okay, I'm feeling it. I aligned with my morals.

Me being so young, I'm like, man, I could relate to this. Because I love being Mexican. Like growing up with my grandma, that's one thing that I could say that my family instilled on me to be prideful of what you are, you're Mexican. So I end up hitting my first diagnostic unit. And diagnostics is like Garza East, Garza West. They're called Transit. So I go in, I don't know, nothing.

They shaved my head, everything. And I remember the homeboys come up to me. They're like, what's up? where you from? I'm from H-town. They're like, what's you going to do? Like, you're going to get down with the homeboys or Solano-Kaz? I'm like, I've never been to prison before.

And I'm really from the streets. I believe in three-ells. Look, listen, learn. I want to sit down and observe and see what I want to do and make the right decision because I got time to do. I got 16 years. I'm not going to get a part of something, and I'm not feeling it.

The homeboy's like, now, you're from the city, you're good, a homeboy. And a good homeboy from Pasadena, he laced me up on the blast, the history. So while I'm there, I'm rocking with the homeboys. I'm chilling. They show me nothing but love in diagnostics. So in two weeks, I end up getting shit

because after diagnostics, you don't stay in diagnostics. That's where they test you for, like, HIV, your blood drawing, and they station you all over Texas. So they sent me to a CCA because CCAs were in Texas at the time. So this is around like 2013. So they sent me to a place called Willisie. So CCA is a private facility, right? It's a private facility.

It's a correctional corporation of America or something like that. I forget. Yeah. So I end up going and instead of all white, it's all orange. So I go in and the homeboys come up again on me. Where are you from? I'm from H-town. They're like, what you're going to do?

You're going to blast or you solo. I say, shit, I'm going to blast. Because I already had it in my mind from everything I heard and I seen the way the homeboys conducted themselves. I was like, it resonates with me at the time. And I'm going to get down with the homeboys. And a lot of people are going to be like, oh, you shouldn't get down with gangs when you're in there or you shouldn't do.

People that speak up on it never been in the environment. They don't understand or see the things that we see in there. And the dynamics, the segregation, and the violence that happens. And the exploitation, the extortion. So me going in and I told them I'm going to blast at the time, I was still ignorant. I was just thinking, how was it, diagnostics? We're all going to be cool together, right? Like, we're all homeboys.

Guess what they say? They're like, okay, okay, you're on blast? Homeboys like, hey, he's going to be a homeboy. Let's run them. I'm like, okay, come on. They're going to run a check on you. They're going to throw you in the blender. They're going to jump you for about 45 seconds and try to kill you.

So I'm like, hi. And they're like, nah, like give him two weeks, put him on probation. So we watch how he conducts himself. And the homeboy is like, nah, the quicker he gets blasted in, The quicker he gets blasted out. They took me to the back and they tore me off the frame. They split my eye, everything. So I'm like, I, so now I'm on bunk, bunk, I'm on the bunk for two weeks.

I'm hilling up. Right. They give me commissary. They give me hygiene. Hill up. Every time it's count time, act like you're asleep. Put your ID right there. Right.

So. That way they don't see that you're all, you're all fucked up. And that way you don't have to go to the shoe. you don't have to get, yeah. Yeah. So I'm hilling up and two weeks hasn't even hit. Like, I'm still, like, bruised up. They're, like, a mandatory wreck.

So everybody goes to the rec yard. They're like, we're going to set it off with the Mexican Mafias. Like, we're going to turn up. If you want to earn your stars, it's your chance. Like, you got to put in work. It's not a free ride. So I'm like, shit, I'll do it. What happened to hanging out with the homeboys and just not getting involved with the gang?

That was at the other place. No, that was in the county. They told me that you don't got, it's all in your heart. No, guess what? When it's time to set it off, you got to ride. If not, they're going to ride on you after they're done with them. So I'm like, I'll do it. Okay.

So they come in at child time. It's overstood. Right when everybody goes to chat, we're going to set it off all over the unit, all at the same time. Is there a reason for that? Like, why are they doing this? In general, did something go wrong?

Was there a truce that was broken? So, to give you history about dangle blasts, we got a saying, if you ain't blasting, you ain't lasting. Dango blast means together against negative gang organizations. Four cities, one mission. Houston, Austin, Dallas, forward. We're the most vicious and ruthless penitentiary gang.

The way we run we're against extortion. Ain't nobody going to extort the Mexican people. No one's going to take advantage of those that are not going to fight for themselves. And this is the philosophy that they try to impose on everybody coming in.

So what Mexican mafia did at the time, they try to recruit. There weren't a lot of to recruit because you're a family. You're not allowed to recruit on this prison. So they picked somebody up. Word got around quick that they're picking up everybody and they're telling people

stay quiet. So what do you think they're trying to do? They're trying to establish numbers and try to take us out. So before they could take us out, now we've got to smash them all off the unit. And that's what they did. They try to recruit when they're not a. allowed to recruit. We do not allow families, Mexican families, to recruit.

Dangoblast does not allow families to recruit in Texas prisons. Okay. So. So you're in the yard? I'm in the yard. They tell us that, hey, we're going to set it up. So we go back in. Child time comes.

It was just my luck that we had one of their captains on our dorm. So we usually try to give them an opportunity just to catch out. So it's him and for other people. So I go up to him and his homeboy Geico with me, he's like, hey, you got to go. Like, your people, they fucked up, y'all got to go. And they're on something like, he's like, you know, I can't do that because it's against their bylaws. So right when he said that, what you think I did? Swung on him.

I took flight. We set it off. Now we're killing them. We're stomping them all where we're killing them. The officers, they run, finish up to gas, guess what happens? All their radios going off everywhere. They just set it off over here, over here, over here, across the way. They don't know what to do.

By the time they come, everybody's just like this. We're just sitting down. They're already dead. We're just sitting down like nothing happened. You had a couple crash dummy still stomping them, though. you feel they want to feel like it's overkill. They ain't even moving no more. So they lock us down, whatever the case may be, right?

And now everything's good. We're going back in normal rotation. We start going to war with different tangles. Corpitos didn't jump. Baisas didn't jump during the ride. The only people that jumped were the other tangles like Bayucos and the other horns. Those are different tangles. They run their own city, but they jumped and showed support against the family.

So we all went at it against the smaller thongles. We stripped them of their tables, and they weren't allowed to recruit on the CCA. This is a transfer unit. So I'm thinking, man, prison is like real tough. Oh, this ain't got nothing on what I'm going to tell you. But I'm going through life in prison thinking, damn, this is really. chill, lay back. And you know what K2 is?

Mm-hmm. So we're manipulating the female officers at the time. You know how it is. Like, we're trying to make some money. So they're like, hey, man, like, go shoot at her. She good. And when the streets, they say, if she looked, she took. And female kept looking at me, homeboys like, shit,

if you could get her to drop something off, I got the dope. My people give it to her. So I go run to play with her. boom we got the dope I'm thinking this is he's like man it's just like I'm like okay okay

so we we roll up and I roll up a flat blunt worst decision I ever made so look I'm over here smoking and I don't know what's happening I remember like man I need to go to sleep I'll go lay on the bunk

next thing I know I'm seasoned up I'm dying. I'm dying. I'm trying to get up. And I see my whole life flash before my eyes. It was like I was in the Matrix. Right. And basically had a higher power over me telling me that I'm part of a computer stimulation

and that I failed my task in life. And I'm like, I'm trying to fight. I don't know what's going on. And everything goes black. everything goes black on me. I end up waking up with lights around me. You're in the hospital or the infirmary? I don't know where I was.

I don't know who I was. All I remember is them saying he's back. I think they brought me back to life. So I try to get up and I don't know where I'm at, who I'm at. And I feel someone grabbed me and say, sit down. I look at him, I push him off. so he acts like he's going to slap me. So I flinch.

My first reaction was to take flight. So I take flight on them. The whole time he's a sergeant, I start beat him up. Now I'm on top of him punching him. The nurses run out. All them officers came and they tore me off the frame. I ain't ever been beat up like that in my life. So they ended up taking me to the back after they restrained me,

had handcuffs on me. They beat me up some more. They slammed my head against the wall multiple times until my head was inflated like a potato. And why they were beating me up, the only logical thing I could think of doing was screaming. Because they'll stop every time I screamed. They'll be like, shut up.

And I'm like, I'm like really fucked up. My hands are bleeding. I still got marks on my wrist from the handcuffs. And I'm like, I'm like really, really fucked up. Eventually they stop. They take me to the holding cell. They make me strip of all my clothes Because there's blood everywhere now

I'm ass naked in the holding cell now End up going to sleep And I wake up in the morning And when I wake up I'm remembering what happened I said man what the fuck Now the wardens come and talking about dumb motherfucker you're

You're gonna get a lot more fucking time We're gonna hit you with 20 extra years And I hear them I said man Fuck you I already got 16, throw another 20, I don't care. Because in this error, I don't care about nothing. I'll go do, I ought to get the whole 16. I'm still young.

I'm ignorant. I got a lot of animosity and anger in me. So he comes, look, he's like, who's you talking to? He goes, looks. You know what he says? He says, oh, my God, call the medics. Call the medic. I don't know how I'm looking.

Right. So they come get the medics and I don't get a free roll case because they beat me up so bad that I looked deformed. Right. So they wrote me a case for basically like a assault on a public servant. I got my rights read. It didn't get processed because they had to take pictures and documentations of how I look compared to how the sergeant looked. Right. Sergeant only had a busted lip.

You go see how I look. I don't look normal at all. I got bruising from my face all the way to my legs because they were beating me up. They're hitting me everywhere on my body. And I was just high as fuck getting beat up. So now I'm in the holding cell and I'm hitting my first row unit. They G4 me.

G4 is 23-hour lockdown. They sent me to one of the worst. units in Texas. They call it Burning Hill, Clemens Unit. So everybody hear stories about Texas prisons and which ones are bad. This is one of the worst prisons because it's nothing but young men in there. Never coming home. All they do is fight.

So I'm going up the stairs. I'm G4 at the time. and everything is on fire. The windows, the trash can, you can't see nothing. The mattresses are outside the cell on the floor on fire. It's burning your eyes and your face. So now I'm walking up the steps.

I go in my cell, whatever, and I'm waiting for child time. So I end up coming out, going to chow. So we're getting our hour out. Well, I don't understand. You just said the whole place was on fire. The officers don't care. They don't care.

They're just sitting right there. They're like, don't they move you guys out to the yard? Don't they have to put out the fires? Don't they have to clean out the cells? No. There was no safe prison then. It was just, 2017, 18, they started establishing safe prison. Back then, like 2013, it was straight renegade.

The officers were real, real corrupt. So there's a Nigerian right there just right there reading his book. That's the officer why I go up to myself. So he's like, roll it. He rolls it. I go on myself, whatever. So I come out, all the Mexicans pull up on me. I'm like, shit, I'm a home boy.

I'm blasting. You know what they tell me? You ain't blasting here. You're going to be a chava. We heard about you. What's that? Basically a hole. that basically I was going to wash boxers.

What do you mean they heard about you? That's what I'm saying. Sounds like you're fighting with officers. Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, what? At the time, I didn't know what it was called. It was called Hollywood. Basically, you'll get 15 people to circle the new guy.

He might be from any other union in Texas. His name might be good, but we're going to see if we could break them and make them a hole. Because some people will fight all day, but are they strong mentally? If 15 people tell you what you're going to do, fight fuck or bust the 50, some people are going to be like, I'm going to pay you because they see 15 people and they're going to break because they don't want to fake that ass weapon. They get scared. So they tell me this.

I look at them, I don't know what's going on at the time. Like, nobody ever laced me up about this part. Me, I just, I'm very prideful. So they tell me that I'm going to pay and some crazy stuff. I need to leave. I tell them I don't believe in catching out. You got to do what you got to do. So I take my shirt off.

Come on. So a homboy, like, oh, you think you're stiff. Now we're going to fight. Another homeboy is like, man, chill. Y'all tripping, like, chill. We're going to get them. So now they're feeding me to the dogs. Like, they ain't fucking with me.

They're saying I'm not a homeboy. I can't blast over here. I'm telling them I'm a homeboy. They got me fucked up. So a day or two goes by. They're still feeding me to the dogs. What does that mean? You're feeding you the dogs.

Basically, they're saying, like, you can't fuck with the homeboys. You're not a homeboy. They don't want to talk to you, associate with you, nothing, and they're acting like they're going to jump you. Okay. Me, they got me fucked up. I already catch through a great mind to have an issue going on. They try to tell me like, you're not a homeboy.

You can't be at our junta's our meetings. Me, I'm still going in. Y'all got me fucked up. I'm a homeboy. there was a guy named bin Laden He was a Muslim and a Crip He was a mixed breed Black and Hispanic

He had an Astro Star on him He told our homeboy Hey I'm a homeboy I need some hygiene I'm fucked up back here And In our rules You have to give hygiene to a homeboy

It's mandatory The homeboy gives him a lot of hygiene He gets out of lockup Comes the G4 And he tells the blast hey, acting like a homeboy to get hygiene. I did that.

Y'all want to line this bitch up, we can do what y'all want to do. I'll pay y'all back, but I'm letting y'all know what it is. I fucked up back there. Y'all fucked up about it, we'd squabble. So now the Muslims are like, this are people, because Muslims run like a gang. We're going to ride behind them. We're going to discipline our people.

Homeboys are on some shit like, nah. I'm gonna set this bitch off and kill him because the way he came at it me I go up and say hey look I'm gonna go whoop that hole they already feed me to the dogs I caught wind but I'm a homeboy

I'm gonna go whip that hole Homeboy's like Homeboy Chubacca's like man bro you ain't even certified bro like the fuck you're speaking up for like you ain't even been checked in yet Homeboy blues like, nah, home boy, let him get his chance to shine.

And if he don't shine, we'll do him and bin Laden in. We killed two birds with one stone. All right, come on. So we go to the chalha. The Muslims are over there. The blast is over here. Man bin Laden fight. I three-piece bin Laden.

I split his wig open. I didn't know at the time how prison rules are. So when he drops, what do you think I did? I was going to go stop them because my only fight was with the Mexican mafia and I got to stop him. So I'm thinking it's okay to go stop him. Homeboy grabbed me like, hey, chill puppet.

Like you're tripping. He's like, go get out the chat hall. You got to go. So boom, I leave. So I'm going back to the dorm. I got away. I go up and the officer tells me, you blasting? I'm like, yeah, I'm blasting.

He's like, go in there, fade that. So I see two big old Mexicans, shirts off hands wrapped. I go in there and we start fighting. They start jumping me because they're initiating me now. So now I'm getting tore off the frame. Pop, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're getting, that's it. Boom, I'm good.

You're a homeboy. You faded that. This is horrible. This is a horrible story. These are horrible things. This is bad. This is what happens in prison. So they tear me off the frame.

The officer's watching it. He's like, he's the one, he buzzed you in. Yeah, because basically because the way prison operates, the officers cause the majority of the corruption in Texas prison. People think, oh, the inmates are, no, it's actually the officers. Nine times out of ten, if there's an issue, it's because of an officer. They'll come in and be like, hey, man, y'all not going to go to the commissary. You're not going to go to rec.

Y'all not going to do nothing like this. If y'all, because he wanted to jack off on me, he wanted to disrespect me. So it could be a blood, a crib, or someone that did some disrespectful shit to her. So now she puts him on blast, makes everybody suffer. Now it's the issue. Y'all need to handle your people. Sometimes they're going to be like, we're not going to handle our people. Now we set off a riot.

We kill each other because this officer. Sometimes it's like this female officer, she belongs to the blast. She's bringing us dope. A blood or a crypt. tries to talk to our officer to get drugs. Now you try to step on our toes. Now we're going to war. So the majority of times when it comes to politics, it's over the officers because they start all the corruption.

They cause all the problems. If the officers just stayed out of everything, prison will be a safe place. So they end up taking it to me. And I was good, though. I was good after that. The next day we had host squad. You know what host squad is? So you ever watch them old slave movies?

No. So look, them old slave movies, bro, where they're out there in the field picking cotton, picking carrots, and miles of grass, and you can't see nothing. You can't see nothing but grass. Grass, cornfields, everything. So they take us at 4 in the morning with an Aggie. You're marching. Everybody got some march.

Hundreds of us. Then we all get in the line and a lot of roles. You pick up your Aggie and you say we're rocking on it. You rock, you rock, you rock, you rock for hours until about like four, six in the afternoon from four in the morning. You just hit the ground like a slave. It's because Texas is one of the biggest industries. It's a prison state. They get money off the inmates.

On top of that, they sell a lot. lot of the food and the crop that we pick to like H.E.B. and stuff. You ever seen the sticker that says Dayton on it? Probably. Like on a banana? Right. It's from Texas prison. The inmates pick it and sell it. They, TDC sells it. Texas has its own economy and it's true prisoners. It's modern day slavery. They use the inmates as slaves to pick cotton because we make clothes. We make all sorts of stuff. and we got a lot of food because we get the crops. We have the cow farm.

We slaughter cows. We have everything, but the inmates do it. Right. So we're over here. We're rocking on it. Oh my God, worst experience of my life.

Like, I was like, my first time walking, I'm like, man, I'm a real life slave. But before I did that, like this was the first time

I ever did a whole squad. They thought I was supposed to get beat up to earn my heart check. So Homeboy was like, Homeboy Pajasa was like Damn, homeboy, you're supposed to be in the cell Hilling up. I already learned from my last one,

my first heart check to, guess what? Take it to him hard. Do you feel me? Back then, the first heart check, I was in the corner. This were an open day room. So I'm like, man, you're speaking up, like you fucked up about it.

Like, bro, shit, you get it? You want that one-on-one? He ain't want the one-on-one. He ain't want the one-on-one. And that's when I went to Hull Squad because it was early in the morning. But that's when I realized, like, man, I'm a real-life slave in prison. I'm a real-life slave. And it was just so unreal.

Seeing the dynamics of everything that's going on, and that's what really made me start, like, educating myself. Because I was in 23-hour lockdown. One thing that I could say saved me was education, educate myself through books. because I seen everybody smoking K2 doing crystal meth, everybody doping out over there. Me, I didn't want to touch K2 no more after my experience. And I ended up getting my line class down back to G2,

so I went to general population. So people used to think that I was a little slow in prison, like my first couple years, because I didn't talk. I didn't talk to nobody. I was like, I was quiet. Remember, like I told you earlier, look, listen, learn. So I was like real observant. And are you familiar with McAvelli the Prince?

McAvelli said to be great, you got to imitate great men. So I was already reading, educating myself, and I would watch everybody. I would look at this individual, like there was a homeboy named Citiboy, and the way he conducted himself, how all the other homeboys looked up to him. because the way he spoke he spoke aggressive and he just swayed him

and then you had a homeboy Marquez he was speaking for the blast you had different speakers on different roles and homeboy Marquez the homeboys flocked with him because he always did what was right by the bylaws

like basically like and fuck that if the blacks come and try to take a Solano's shoes we're going to set this big It's all. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. So I'm over here.

I'm watching everybody. And I'm like, okay. So when I finally made it back to general population, I felt like it was time. I started talking my shit. I started politic. And I started dibble and dabbing in politics. And they were like, man, who the fuck is this?

This motherfucker won't shut the fuck up. He's pushing issues left and right. We're getting homeboys. smoke left and right because I'm speaking up on it. Because being a child without a mom, a dad, or a positive role model going up in that environment, we're going to become a product of our environment. And you're going to feel like, and this is, these are like my brothers, right? I don't got nobody else. Nobody's sending me a commissary. No one's given nothing. Like, this is all I know. I was actually raised by the state of Texas.

I was raised by the home boys growing up and going in prison. They raised me and they taught me like, this is right, this is wrong. And I'm going to say, they taught me wrong. It took me to get a little more mature to realize like, damn, they gave me the game wrong as fuck. But while I was in there, I thought, man, this was a righteous cause because you see what the other gangs try to do. You'll see a black. he'll go up to a little Mexican They'll run in his cell during Chauhall

They'll take his commissary in his shoes We'll tell him Clean this shit up You gotta fight So he's gonna fight the black They're gonna squabble But we give the bloods or the crips Whichever gang he's associated with

The opportunity to discipline him You got 72 hours The whole time you really only got 24 Right when this fight starts. We're going to set this bitch off and stab the fuck out that motherfucker. And we're going to kill them. And we're going to kill all of y'all. So that's what we usually do. It happens all the time. So I thought this was righteous, man. We're protecting our people. And it's very segregated. The blacks sit on one side. The Mexicans sit on the other side. But the distinctive is between the blacks and the Hispanics, you'll have

the blacks, they're more eager to fight amongst themselves, right? The Hispanics, they're more, they're more structured. You have to have your cell clean. You have to have fresh whites. You have to conduct yourself this way. You can't have bad paperwork. Basically, we check paperwork coming through the door. If you're a chomo, you're a sift, you got to go.

The blacks, on the other hand, if you're a sender, in prison, guess what? They're going to be like, man, that's live. Like, you did that. They don't care. They pick up anybody. I noticed that. I noticed that in Coleman and the medium that they didn't really care if you had sex charges or anything. Give them a good excuse and then they'd be fine. Yeah, they'll be like, oh, we grew up going to school. Some bullshit, but that's how they're structured. So they get a lot of numbers. They act wild. They'll let their people just run wild. And that's why it's always conflict between blacks and Hispanics.

I always noticed, too, that the Mexicans would show up. I've said this before. And they just walk in the dorm. They'd have a quick conversation. And they'd have a bag of commissary. They'd have shower slides. They'd have locks. They'd have toothbrush, toothpicks.

They'd have everything they needed immediately that they would take. Their community would immediately come out of nowhere and just give them all their stuff, put them in sell. and nobody else really very few did that. I got a couple. When I got there, I got a few guys. There was a few guys. Like I did get some stuff,

but it wasn't like it wasn't like the Mexicans. Yeah, it's because like the way the blast works, we have a treasury, right? But we run all the drug trade in prison. Like that saying, if you ain't blasting, you ain't last since the real life saying,

we run everything. We have a treasury where let's say we all go to store, we're all selling drugs, we're making money. We're going to all put, there's always like 20, 40 of us on the wing together. We're all going to put $5 in the treasury. The speaker's going to hold it. So if we go on lockdown, we always got food.

And in the treasury, we two for one to the blacks, to the whites. We're doubling our money every store. So if a homeboy got a check, he got beat up, he'll give him some food. A new homeboy comes. He ain't got nothing. We'll give him something. They need hygiene, we give them something. Homeboy don't go to the store.

We give them something. And then Homeboy wants to make some money. Here's some dope. Put some money in your pocket. Let's make some money. So we're living like we're in a whole different society, a whole different world in there. You lose crack of days.

You don't even, you think that what you're doing is right. Like you'll do so much violence. Like, I remember my first time doing violence in prison. And I'm going to tell you honestly, I was scared as fuck. I remember the bloods stole Homeboy's shoes from the shower. We found out it was this fool. So I don't know what's going on. I'm fresh on the unit.

I'm thinking we still fight. I go down there like, hey, come here, Homeboy. Hey, we're going to set this bitch off. So there's 20 Mexicans. They start pulling out a bag with shanks. And these shanks are like samurai swords. So everybody's getting them. So they finally give me one.

And at that moment, I tell myself, like, I really want to be like, hey, man, y'all clip in here. Right. But I look up and all of them have shanks. And in that moment, I knew it's either killed the opposition or get killed. Right. And in the child, we set it off. We set it off. It's no choice.

You'll see people in these situations when it happens. guess what happens? They'll drop the shank on the floor. They freeze up. Me, I like to live. I didn't want to die. And it was moments like that that after you set off a riot the first time

and putting work, subconsciously it affects you. Because, like, there's something in your nature or in your heart that you know it's not right. And then you start running heart checks on people. Like, I remember my first heart check. It was on Homeboy from South West. It was me and Homeboy Chango.

He comes in, he gets a heart check. We run them. Boom, bum, bum, boom, boom, boom. We beat him up so bad. He got, he literally got jumped by about 10 people. Basically, he got like a two-on-one, another two-on-one, another two-on-one. All fresh people beat him up. I was like, I'm going to do a one-on-one with him because after a two-on-one, we really fucked him up.

Like, his whole face caved in. So we're beating them up. I'm like, I'm doing one-on-one. Homeboy City Boy and Homeboy Marquez is like, kill that old, break them. So we're going. I'm like, I tell the City Boy, like, I'm not going to keep punching on him. Look at him.

Like, I'm scared because, like, you know, like, fuck, like you don't look right. And they're like, so Homeboy, City Boy and Marquez, everybody starts mashing the gas on them trying to break them and make him a hole because this is how they run their heart checks. And the homeboy end up making it. it. And I remember, like, that feeling I was like, and Homeboy City Boy was like, when I tell you to go, when I tell you to match the gas, you don't stop.

You break them. They're getting mad at me because I didn't, I slowed down. And it was because it's not human nature just to, like, go harm another human being. Either you got to be on some drugs at the time or survival. In this moment, it was more survival. And it was like, they're getting mad at me because I didn't mash the gas. And then I remember the next day, I'm like, damn, like, I'm going to see if Homeboy's okay. So at the time, Homeboy's face was like this.

It's like an airhead, right? When he went in the cell, like, you ever seen the Airhead commercial? It's like this. Like, it's blown up inflated. All his bones were broken. So when I walked by his cell, it looked like something ate his face. like it like he didn't look normal you can even see his eyeball no more he ends up getting shipped off the unit they put like a metal plate or something we found

out later he survived uh but it was moments like that that made me like realize like man I could lose my life in here that but these are your own people doing it yes and that's what that's what a lot of kids don't know they they go to prison especially like Houston, Dallas, Austin, Fort Worth. Everybody says, man, I want to be a home boy. I want to get down with the blast. But they don't know that. And the blast ain't what it seems.

I would never recommend anybody to join a gang. I would never recommend anybody to even go to prison and stay home and educate yourself. Because prison is a whole different world. And while I was in there, you have to do these things. It's not that I want to do it or. I glorify this. You do it. But after doing it so much times, you start laughing about it.

You have fun about it. You become desensitized to the violence. You go on people's sales, split them with dominole, split their wig open, left and right. It happens every other day. So a homeboy owes somebody money, didn't want to pay them $50. Guess what? We're going to act like we're going to discipline them. We're going to kill them.

We're going to throw them in the corner like it's nothing. So this is what we're doing every day. Like it's normal. Can we, can we stop? I got to go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, you're sorry. Yeah.

This is horrible, bro. I'm sticking with that whole prison. Every time these guys would come in from state prison and start to tell stories where they're talking about getting into shanking each other or gang shit or anything. I could listen for a few minutes. I'd be like, yeah, I just, I just can't. And I just leave because that just was not. Even when that was happening, it was in the medium security. and I was in and the low, it was totally up to you if you wanted to participate.

Like, I worked, I taught GED. I worked all day. I went to, got in at night, went to my cell, red, it's lights out, I wake up, I go back to work. Even on the weekends, I go to the rec yard, I walk the track. Maybe we, a bunch of guys get together and they play fucking games. There are gang stuff. There's things going on.

That's got nothing to do with me. And nobody ever suggests that they want you to be involved. Does that make sense? Yeah. Where you talk to these guys from state prison, like you're saying, like, you're either a part of a gang or you're a victim. But that wasn't how it was in the federal prison. Now, in the pin, yes, that could happen. That definitely happened maybe in the pins.

But I was never in a pin. So when I hear these stories, I just think, this is fucking horrible. And you always hear about the kid that gets five years is told to go stab somebody and ends up stabbing somebody. It gets like 45 years. It happens a lot, believe it or not. Fucking horrible. Fuck. That's why I hate these fucking stories, bro, because it's so, it's like, I get it.

It's so, it's such a shitty, unfair situation to be in because you did, because you, you sold some fucking drugs or I got into a fucking, yeah. These guys are shooting at us. We shot back. I hit somebody. It's a fucked up situation. I was raising the projects. Everybody I know is selling drugs. I don't see that I really have a choice.

I don't know what else to do. You're either joining the gang or you're getting the shit kicked out of you when you try and walk home from school. Yeah, it's because like I say it like this, the system, they don't understand the circumstances that we face. They want to label us, especially like me being Mexican, they right now with the media and how it's procreating it,

they're saying that we're savages, we're doing this, we're doing that. And they discriminate. And they discriminate against, the minorities or people committing crimes and they want to say, oh, he just went and shot this person. He just went. No, the stuff that goes on in the hood, stuff happens. They want to go start crying on TV. My son was just the same, not knowing that your son just robbed this guy two weeks ago,

and he just came back and got his lick back. Y'all don't know what's going on. But the media portrays it as like, we're just ruthless and violent. No, we have our own society. It's like we're living like barbarians, like savages. So you have your own king. That'll be like the OG. And then you'll have your little foot soldiers, the sergeants, the lieutenants, whatever the case may be.

But they want to procreate kids as criminals. No, we never committed a crime we didn't have to do. We're victims of circumstance. Like I said before, you said a hot cup of coffee. You said in a room it becomes room temperature. we are products of our environments. Like I told you earlier, when I became desensitized from doing these acts, a part of me always knew that it was not right.

And I didn't realize it until around 20, 2017, we were supposed to put in some work and kill somebody. I hit him in the head with some domino, split his head back open, top to bottom. We're thinking he's dead. we throw them in the corner, we've been doing this. Next day they say, hey, speaker, come here. I'm on Clemens, Jr. at the time, they come, they get me, they lock me up,

they hit me with organized crime, grab my rights. I end up going to G5. They hit you with organized crime? Organized crime participating as a member of Nangleblast. And they read my rights because they started in place in, say, prison around 2017. So if someone across the pod or across the U.S. unit gets hurt. You're a gang member.

You're confirmed. We're going to come get you. It happened on my dorm. How many guys get grabbed for that? Only the people on gang fall. Okay. So they came grab me and a couple people. They said, speaker, they get me.

And they tell me, we got you this time. You fucked up. You thought he was dead? He lived. I'm like, fuck. Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Were you there? Did you see it?

I ain't do nothing. I don't even know what you're talking about. All he did was say, man, the blast did this to me. He didn't say who because he didn't know who. He was just getting punched down, and I hit him in the head with a couple dominoes, and five other people ran up, and we just started killing them. It's normal.

So I end up going to G5, and G5 is the worst time I had in prison. They shipped me to get blue or some time. And I could say, when I went over there, I learned that a man's worst thing. enemy is its conscience. It eats at you. It devours you. And like, you realize that every violent act was wrong. If you're a human being, you're a spiritual person. Something in your spirit tells you it's wrong. And it's just like your mind starts playing cliques on you. You, I remember there was one thing that would kill me and it was just this.

It was knocking because they make holes in the wall. But it just drives you crazy. Like, you don't have no TV. You're 23-hour lockdown. You're locked in the cell all day. You're with your own thoughts. You're in complete solitude like a hermit. And most people, they kill themselves over there.

People start playing with their shit. And it's like, I could say that I went crazy in there. But I'm one of the few that I survived. I got out. But it took me to do a lot of self-reflecting and overcoming my own demons and seeing life different because I knew that, man, this wasn't right. But I'm doing, everything I'm doing. And back there, like, we go to war as well, but it's different. Like, let's say for instance that

You get magazines Like there was a guy named Diamond I was getting magazines He told me Hey bro Let me read your magazines My fuck you bitch, you ain't getting shit He's a hole

I'm telling him through the door So you know what he does, right? He shits me down What does that mean? A shit bomb. He shits in a bottle. It gets a string, whips it out the slot, and throws it, it hits my door, now my whole door smells like shit.

So what I have to do now is I got a shit in a cup with piss, let it sit for two weeks, pay the SSI some stamps to give me a wire, a couple wires. I dip it in, get the boxers, right? And now I'm going to war with him. Every time he comes out, officers have them. So I go to war, I start shooting them like Indian. So because if you hit

them, there's no cure for that. I'm going to kill you. So we go to war like that and you start like you're playing in your shit. Like you don't realize like I don't see so many people like start eating their shit going crazy. And the worst part is it's like I remember one time I'm chilling and there was a guy upstairs and there's a white guy. He was. was trying to extort everybody. He says, man, if y'all don't give me y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all ain't having no power and he'll pop the socket. He'll turn off the power.

So everybody wants to kill him and beat him up because he keeps turning off the power. So we ain't got, we ain't got no radio. We ain't got no power in the cell. We're all going crazy. And I remember telling them, like, man, fuck you pussy. And he's like, man, what you're going to do? I said, man, when you come down the stairs, I'm, and it'll pop you.

And he's like, man, fuck you, you border jumping monkey. Oh my God. It's set up, it's set up the whole wing between all the Mexicans shooting at all the whites

because he called me a border jumping monkey. Like, it was just like, now everybody's going to war. We're fucking, everybody's playing and shit. We're all trying to kill each other. He's kept the power off the whole time he put

what's it called razor blades inside the socket so every time they flip the breaker it turns back off so what we had to do to get the power on we said no power no sleep so me and a couple of my neighbors there's still walls

we start kicking it we start kicking it we kick it so much we take turns until it drives you crazy because you don't have nothing you're going crazy inside a sell. Picture this. You're inside a box. Smaller than this. You only got to sell a restroom. Probably ain't got no mattress. And it's like 20 degrees. It's freezing. It's like you're in a concentration

camp. You're in a chamber. You lay on the mattress. It's cold. Your bones are cold. You hurt. You feel like you're going to die. Like you're losing your mind. And your only comfort is this radio for your power and they turn that off now you're hearing people screaming you're hearing sometimes you might have a cellmate in there

you hear people getting raped you just shit's going on all the time you don't know what's going on but he turned the power off so now we're not going to let you sleep so we did it for about two days eventually guess what he did he turned the power on

he ended up moving he didn't want to come out of the cell he put in a he put in a thing saying that he's He can't be around because his cellie was another white boy. So we're shooting at his cellie. His cellie ended up beating him up in the cell and told him he got to go. Like, you're going to get me killed because you're causing too much problems. Right.

But he was actually extorting people. You ain't going to have no power. You don't give me this meal. Right. He didn't slide me some food. And he ain't coming out the cell. He's just going to turn power off. And it's just like he was using like, he was using just the common arts of war on

Like, you know, when Caesar and them used to go to war, they used to be like, okay, what do we need to cut first? We need to cut their lifeline, their food, their supplies, let's go burn their villages. He was like, he was so smart. He says, I'm going to cut their lifeline, their power, and I'm going to take their resources. And it was just during this time that I was just like, man, I was almost like losing my mind, though. Like, I swear to God, I thought about suicide every day. I thought about myself every day. And I did a lot of praying during that time.

Like, it's surprising what the human conscience would do. And like I said, a man's mind is his worst enemy. How it eats at you. The dreams, the night sweats. It's cold, 20 degrees in there. You're cold, you're freezing. You feel like you're already dying. And it's like your demons are coming out.

they're attacking you. You, I like that saying you suffer more in your mind than you do in reality. Yes, and it was just, it was just, it was something I couldn't explain. I ended up getting my line class back. I went to population on Gip Lewis. And on this unit, I was speaking for all a tango blast eventually in about like a matter of two months. And this is a maximum security unit. basically I got the world in my hand.

And I started implementing a lot of stuff for the homeboys, positive stuff, because what I have to deal with for the rest of my life is the poor decisions I made. How you said earlier, you go tell someone that got five years, go putting some work, I want to earn a star on you. They kill him. He gets 45 years making a wrong decision that affected people's lives. I did that. I know how it feels like having all the power.

You want to go to war. You feel like you're never going home. So you're just doing it. You're lost in the system. But I came out and I'm like, okay, mandatory school, mandatory workouts. Okay, too, we're going to smoke you. If you're smoking that, you're going crazy. We're going to smash you out.

And just enforcing certain stuff positivity. You're not going to be in the cell all day. You've got to either go to work or go to school. Hold down the band. They clean stuff like that. But something that's offering more growth for the kids coming in, things that I wish that people would have told me. And I got in a lot of fights with other homeboys behind it.

They say you're not supposed to fight your homeboy, but I fought a lot of my homeboys because they're like, they're stuck in their ways. They feel like they're 30, 40. They've been there 20 years. I only been here what going on eight years. They feel like, oh, man, I'm an OG. I don't get a fuck with.

you are. You're old doping. You'll get beat up. I don't get fuck. I'll whip you. So I had like a lot of issues, but everything was good. I implemented a lot of good stuff. And I didn't resign from a gang due to the simple fact that I knew that, man, you can't be one foot in one foot out. I see a lot of people that end up siding back saying, oh, I went to God and stuff like that. But I know, like they have the old saying in there, the people that pray get prayed on. So I try to just instill more Christian doctrine in me and make wiser decisions that I know if I committed something or we're going to do something, it affects all of us as a whole. If someone messes up, instead of killing them, just leave, bro. But we're going to take it to you.

And I'll let them leave. We weren't going to war no more. We found a way to communicate to de-escalate issue. And that's what G5 taught me. But you always have some dumb motherfuckers, though. And me being on that unit, I got into it with the blacks all the time. All the time. And it was because it was more about money on get-laws.

You have people with female officers. We're breaking the holes. We're having them fucking shove dope up. their pussy. We got the black girls putting in their weave. Like, we're getting cell phones. We're making money. And guess what? You try to just take my lick. You try to make my hold down. Now we're going to go to war. You got to discipline your people. Hey, cross the line, stuff like that. So we're always into it with them over that and tables. Because like I said, like we locked down tables. We locked down tables and phones. Like, because in state, you got phones that you could use.

The blacks can't use our phones. We can't use their phones. It's a respect thing. You always got one person, though, that feels like he's tank ball state. His size ain't going to get him touch. No, man, your size is going to get you popped. That's the principle. You could do that to somebody else, but you're not going to do it to the Mexicans. That will kill you behind that.

I was in Union City jail in Atlanta, and there was a black. guy, man, he must have been 6-2, 6-3. And there was one TV in the unit. This is in Marshall's holdover. Like, so I'm just being a whole, I'm just waiting, waiting to be sentenced. And there was one TV, it's like 50 something inmates. 40 of them were Mexican. So the TV's on the Mexican channel all the time. Yeah. I just stay in my cell and read. The black guy's in there and he's man, I'm fucking sick of this. He goes down there. Do I hear me telling us?

He goes down there. He turns the TV. And he says, and they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, man. They do it. And he said, no, fuck that. He's like, I'm, we're going to watch this. And he thinks, and he sits down on the bed, you know, and they're bolted to the ground.

You know, he just sits down. And, and next thing I know, I hear, I hear the scuffling. And you hear the tennis shoes, right? You know, the rubber, you know, the rubber. the rubber on the concrete. And, of course, we go look outside because we know, we already know something's happening when we start hearing him argue. We're already walking.

And then you hear, he's, before you know it, he's, he's in the corner. They jump on him. There's a ton of them. The guards come in through the Sally Port. They come in, screaming and hollering. You know, everybody locked down, locked down, right? We all get locked down. They all kind of lay down.

Some of us go and get to your cell. They take him out. I saw him in, uh, I want to say I saw him. Like, it was like two or three weeks later, I went to, you know, this was one of those, you couldn't clip your nails. You had to put in a cop out. You had to go to medical and they would give you the clippers.

Yeah. You'd clip them right there. And he was there. He didn't look too bad. It'd been two weeks. Yeah. You still see he was fucked up. And I, and he was, we were cool.

He was a cool guy. Yeah. You know? And I walked in. I remember I drew a picture for him. I drew a picture of his girlfriend for him. lady, whatever. And when I saw him and went in the, in medical, I was like, hey, I was like, hey, he's like, hey, he was up.

You know, he's, he was in the, he was in like the, the fuck, not the shoe, whatever. It was the shoe. It was basically the shoe. You know, he's gone. Yeah. And I see him and I said, hey, I said, hey, man. I said, what's, how you doing? He's like, I'm all right.

I go, bro, what were you thinking? Like that, he is, bro, they're little. There's little. They said they're five foot fucking tall. I thought they're not going to do nothing. He's like, I said, well, it didn't work out, did it? He said, there's fucking 10 of them. He said, I can't fight fucking 10 or 12 of them.

He's like, I was okay. The first couple, I did all right. He said, but the next day I knew, he said, one of the motherfuckers got my leg. And I went down. He said, bro, I couldn't get them off. I couldn't get back up. He said, they're kicking me and screaming. He's like, thank fucking God.

The cards came. I mean, you're praying the guards. Like, what are you thinking? It doesn't matter that they're 53 and 5'4 and that you're 6 foot fucking 4. It doesn't matter. There's 10 or 12 of them were on you. You're done. Yeah.

And that's what happens everywhere, I think. I think that you have people that feel like they're bigger than the system. No one's bigger than the system. We're all in there. These rules have been established before me and you probably existed. And you just got to fall in line. And when people feel like they're going to step outside and rebuild the system, no, you're going to fuck around and find out what the system's about.

And, yeah, like, prison, it just taught me a lot. And I ended up going to a prison called Ferguson unit, worst prison in Texas. And they shipped me off from Gibb Lewis, actually. They, they put me over there because they said I couldn't keep my homeboys in check. Oh, okay. I was just why did they shift you? Because basically, we kept having problems with the blacks, and instead, they're like, you're having riots left and right. You speak for the blast, and like, you're not de-escalating it. And I'm doing my best, but if somebody's going to act dumb and be like, oh, I think they're bigger than we're going to set off a riot because it's the principal now.

So they end up shipping me off. I went to Ferguson unit. And I went during COVID. Worst prison I ever been on. Everybody talks about Ferguson. People are scared to go to Ferguson. I went over there. I see why people are scared.

You got a bunch of fucking psych patients over there. straight fucking psych patients like weird motherfuckers. You ever seen the movie Jurassic Park? You ever seen how the little dinosaurs move? That's how they move. This is the unit where they send all like the people that eat babies and do weird-ass crimes.

They sent me over there. So I went and it's like, I'm over here trying to change my life and be more humble. it took me to turn retarded again because that's the only language they speak. They didn't understand like proper communication. They only understood violence. You got people that ain't never going home.

You had a gang in there called GBNs. You know what that is? Get booty niggas. So what they do is it's a group of blacks that rape white boys. That's all they do. I didn't know about it.

I'm fresh over here on the unit, whatever. I end up going to showers one day, and I've been going to showers. I noticed that it's mandatory that all the homeboys got to go to showers. But I'm like, damn, but like, why ain't the homeboys just, like, always at showers like that? Why are they taking bird baths? So I'm on L block on Ferguson on the four corners. So I go on the showers, and there's a pole right there. So we all shower together.

in TDC. So I'm walking. I see six blacks fucking AB raping them. They got his legs that I don't know what to do. I was like, what the

so I go like what the fuck did I just see? So I tell Homeboy when I get back like that I'm a homeboy like I just seen the motherfuck getting raped the AB. You know what he does? He starts,

he's just laughing like it's funny he's like you see that's why we don't be going to showers ain't nobody trying to see that shit and I'm thinking in my mind like and y'all just been letting me go to showers like it was just like motherfucker could have got me I'm like they ain't nobody

they're just laughing about it and that was the worst prison I've been to it's because the weird shit that happens the people getting raped it's like you know You think that some of this should be in movies, right? But it's actually happening and it's just like,

and the only thing they understood was violence. Like, I had to fight a lot. I had to fight a lot over the phones because no phones were locked down. So I had a boss hog my way to get the phones. And the blacks over there, they only respected violence. I remember I fought this black guy, his name was Jr. Big motherfucker, 6'4. everybody on the block scared of him

because he's known as a knockout artist so everybody's scared of him he's over here hogging the phones so I got to get off the phone a little Mexican from San Antonio had next he gets on it he takes the phone from her I had the phone so I look at him I said hey homeboy had the phone

he's like you acting like you on some racist shit I told you I had the phone I said homeboy don't put words in my mouth Homeboy had the phone He's like, now you're just on some fucking racist shit I'll knock you out and Boom, I take off my shirt Come on, let's go

So everybody's like, oh shit He thought that he was going to knock me out Not knowing that Man, I'm that dumb motherfucker I'm going to give you what you're looking for So we fight, boom, boom, boom, boom And he split me open, I give him that He split my eye open

And Everybody's looking like, man, what the fuck because he's known for putting everybody to sleep. So he's like, now we're talking shit in the day room. The laws were going to come. And I'm like, bro, you act like you did something. You, you're bigger than me.

You're supposed to knock me out. You can't even get the job done. You split my eye. You're supposed to do that. You're supposed to do that. You feel like you did something. Let's go again. Everybody's like, chill,

because not all the Mexicans pulled out the shanks. We're going to kill them. Because on Ferguson, they're not known for fighting. All the Mexicans are known for is stabbing. So when they see me fight, they're like, man, puppet, like, we're going to kill this nigga. I'm like, nah, like, it's good. We squabbled. Because, like, the majority of units, like, sometimes, like, we'll line it up.

Like Clemens unit, give Lewis unit. If there's an issue, I might have to fight a black will fight. It's good. Or a couple of my homeboys, we're going to fight the blacks. We're going to line it up. And we're going to keep the peace like that. Over here, there is no fighting. they're going to kill you.

They're never going home. Right. Me, I'm already eight, nine years in at the time. So I'm over here fighting laced up from different units. I come over here. They're trying to kill them. I'm like, where's the good? Like, but after that, everybody was like, damn, like,

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That Mexican beat you up. You know how the blacks are. They talk a lot of shit. But me and him actually became real cool. And he's like, man, I respect you, bro. You fight hard as fuck. And I told him, bro, if who was in a bigger open room, I'd have got the best of you. because we're in a small corner.

You're bigger than me. I had no choice but to blend with you. So I think that prison was fucking off the wall, right? What's happening as you're getting closer to, do you know you're going to go home? Are you get, is this like parole where maybe you're going there or you know? I got set off. I got set off multiple times. What does that mean?

That means every time I came up. to the parole, I caught three felonies in TDC. I caught a money laundering, organized crime and assault on a public servant. I actually beat all three cases. Okay. My money laundering case, it happened because I wasn't hip to the system. I had all the dope. Come on.

You're buying an all the dope from me. Everybody's buying all the dope from me. And I'm saying, hey, put the money on my books. Guess what happened? their parents are on their visitation list. It took one person to burn off and catch out. They didn't want to pay me my money. He left and guess what happened?

They investigated it. He snitched. They found out and they took, what's it called, like $12,000 for me on my books alone. They read my rights behind that. The assault on the public servant, that's when I beat up the officer, the organized crime. I got caught for that. So I'm getting set off. I'm like, I'm going to do my whole time.

And I hired a lady. Her name's Mary Samo. Best parole lawyer in Houston. They told me about her. Man, hire her. She's good. And I tell her, and she told me straight up, you're going to get set off.

Get your line class back, and I guarantee you parole. I'm like, but I'm on gang fog. She's, I don't go, fuck what you're on. I'm going to get you home. All you got to do is play your part. So, me. coming up for parole and being in this environment, I'm like, fuck, I'm not going to go home.

And I'm acting crazy still. But, man, by the grace of God, I made parole. I made parole. And the way the blast works, if you make parole and someone gets into it with you, homeboy's going to pick up that slack. You're not going to crash my homeboy out because our number one priority is to make sure homeboys go home. And some people get the misconception that, oh, go home on.

good time. No, it's to go home if we made parole, if necessary, or not in a body bag. Right. So I made parole, and they ended up shipping me to a program. It's like a six-months program for, like, cognitive thinking and anger management. So I went to get that, and it was pretty easy. It was pretty easy. And prison was, it was transformed my life. It transformed my life. I could say that I would raise me, it taught me strong morals, like being institutionalized, because like reintegrating back into society is the hardest. I know you understand reintegration, right?

So I came home after doing 10 years. I don't even know how to use a cell phone yet. I came home, I don't have no money. I don't have no car. I don't got nothing. I'm paroling at my grandma's and uncle's house again, right? And I'm like, man, I want to be a barber. I want to cut hair.

I'm still on parole. and I had an encamander on, and I'm like, this is what I want to do. And you know what everybody told me? I couldn't get a license because I'm a convicted felon, a barber license. All the colleges I went to, they told me you got gang tattoos. We're not accepting you. And it was, it was like, it was beating me down. I couldn't get a job.

I got multiple aggravated cases. I got three ag cases on me. And then one college tells me, yeah, I will accept you. give me $10,000 by next Thursday. That's what they tell me, so I'm like, fuck. Like, I ain't got no credit. I don't know what I'm going to do. And a good friend tells me, man, there's a college called Northwest Educational Center.

And they'll get you on for free at no cost through grants and scholarships. I went over there. I got accepted. And I think that was, like, the biggest step for me. I was feeling so uncomfortable around people in school because, like, going home, it's like going to a new unit. I was so institutionalized. Like, you ever been on, like, a new unit?

You don't know no one, so you don't want to engage with anybody. And I like solitude so much that I didn't want to talk to no one. I would, like, I would go hide in another room during barber school. I already knew how to cut hair. Like, in your prisons in the feds, did y'all use a combing razor? Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, they have a barber. I mean, they have a barber.

You know, they have the barber, right? Like, they got, like, three chairs set up, these guys. But I bet you, 80% of the guys got, had a, there was a guy in the unit who, which sometimes a couple guys, they would cut your hair. And they do the, they had the little razors. Yeah. And, yeah, they do it with your. Yeah.

Yeah. So I said, they do have a barber, like an official barber, but I don't, most people don't use that guy. So I used to cut hair with a comb and razor. So coming home, like, reintegrating. What kept me on point was being institutionalized. I wake up every day, 200 push-ups. Early in the morning because I'm so used to waking up doing push-ups,

drinking water, drinking my coffee, and just, like, being positive, productive. I came home, I started cutting hair, and my first week out, really my second week. There's my second week. I don't know nothing about social media. I made a Facebook, Instagram, whatever. I made a video. I said, man, I'm doing free haircuts. It's almost back to school for the kids that are less fortunate.

And a lady in Houston, the biggest influencer in Houston, Grizzie from the Hood News, millions of followers, took that video and blasted it. when super viral I had kids lined up with families for haircuts so the owners of the school were like what the fuck free haircuts I'm doing free haircuts

I ended up getting into it with one of the instructors during the time because they're like you can't do free haircuts on our establishment because you know they are a business I guess they make money off the thing and I had a credit card and like my people put me on their card as an authorized user and the card had a $20,000 limit.

So I'm like, I got all these people out here. I just was on the news. Unlike here, I got an 820 credit score. Put it on the card. Because I'm going to stand on business. I'm going to keep my word as a man. They're shocked that I did that. They go talk.

The owners of the schools are like, nah, he's doing it for the kids. That's fortunate. tell all the students they got to cut hair. We didn't have one person walking in in this barber school at the time. I started cutting hair. Everybody's cutting hair. We're doing free haircuts. And I know a lot of people on the hood.

I tell the whole hood about the school. Man, it's really free. They got barber, cosmetology, medical assistant pharmacy technician. I'm telling everybody in their mama. Guess what happens? I get 348 people enrolled in one day. You know what the owner does? It's a small school at the time.

They only got about 60 people. It's the oldest vocational school, but they don't have a lot of people. No one knew about them. He comes, calls all the students, makes a speech and says, man, I don't even pay this kid. I got people with degrees that work for me.

People that are educated. Like, this man, marketed my school, and this is what I'm going to do for him, gave me my first $1,000. He's like, man, this is for you. He's like, because you didn't do it for money. You didn't do it because I pay you. You do it because you wanted to help somebody. I taught the whole hood.

Right. And I was like, oh, my God, the next week I got 216 people on road. And they're like, they're shocked. He tells me, you want a job? Me, I'm happy. I'm like, I'll work for the school. Let's do it. All right.

And I start working for the college as a coordinator. I'm still a student, but I'm working, and I'm learning sales admissions. The owner takes me under his wing like a mentor. So he's like a father figure to me. Now he's teaching me LLCs, DBAs, EIN's business, how to establish myself. And I think that was like the biggest factor when I reintegrated. Steve Mata is how he mentored me. and he told me, I told him I want to do a Halloween event.

I want to give 300 house to the kids. Let's decorate it. Let's give out for candy. We sat down and we wrote stuff up. And he said, now you're going to go all over Houston and ask people for donations for candy. You know how many people cussed me out and told me get the fuck out their establishment?

Called me a devil worshiper because I was celebrating Halloween. And I was trying to give a safe event for the kids. because you have predators on the streets. You have people putting fentanyl in the candies. At the end, I succeeded. I had a hundred nose left and right. I was getting one yes here, one yes there,

and consistency. I got beat up by the road. People judged me because of my appearance, because the tattoos on my face. People told me, oh, look, you can't do this. You got to take the grills out, remove the tattoos. I always said no. Because it's not the past that the final.

minds us, but our actions in the moments of adversity. The only thing I have changed about myself coming home is that I wear a suit. The reason being is because real gangsters wear suits. Real gangsters ain't that fucking dope feeling on the street looking like a bum with a tall tee. A real gangster, he wears a suit and he don't use a gun. He uses a pen. The strong rule the weak and the clever world is strong. So I learned that appearance is reality.

perception is reality to really stand on businesses to wear a suit so i started wearing a suit people still gave me that that view but i made a Halloween event from there i worked with grisie from the hood news we did the biggest toy drive that year raised thousands of dollars like 60, And from there, I'm still working at the school at the time. And then one day I say, check game. One thing, a real gangster knows. Real gangsters wear suits. Super viral on social media.

And I'm like, what the hell's going on? I get a message one day. And this guy named Jesse the car plug, he messages me and he tells me, Hey, come do a video for me. I'm still cutting hair at the time. I'm cutting hair. I'm just using social media at a van. And I'm like, okay.

And believe it or not, you can make a lot of money cutting hair. You know that, right? Yeah. If you make $278 a day for 365 days, it's $100,000 in a year. My first year out of prison, I made 300 cutting hair. And all through social media, just market and bringing clients while I was doing good. What you put in is what you get out.

I did so much good where people would acknowledge me where it would give my blessings back. Well, one day, Jesse, the car plug message me. Hey, come do a video. I'm like, okay, he's like, how much? I said, I don't know. I never did it before. He sees me going viral.

He's like, I'll give you $500. Nice. I'm like, okay, let's do it. I'm happy about it. I do the video. I sold 14 cars in a week. Each car, he gave me $200. for each car sold.

Nice. It's an additional $2,800. You're up to $3,300. Guess what? You know how much we sold in that month? We sold 89 cars. Jeez. I got so much money.

I said, I'm never cutting hair again. So I started marketing with him. You haven't been barely cutting hair. Yes. I'm barely out of prison. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm making money doing this. I'm working at the school, still bringing in an enrollments. Like, enrollments, I'm not getting commission or nothing.

I'm just like, it's like a, it's funded by the government school. So I'm doing this, making money. And the owner's helping me with my LLC, my DBA, how to like just establish myself as a business because it's a 1099. And I have to write stuff off. I have to pay taxes to put money to the side. So I'm doing all this. And people are starting to notice me.

Someone messaged me on TikTok. I thought it was a scam at first, believe it or not. had this random guy named Nate. He messaged me and he was like, hey, I want you to come host my show for Dee Baby, Big Boogie, and Foamob. And these are big rappers in Houston. Dee Baby's the biggest artist in Texas right now. And I'm like, how'd I do it?

So I tell my wife, I'm like, come on, we're going to go. So we go and I tell my wife, man, I think they're going to probably like kill me or something because I used to be a gang member in prison, and they have me going to this random place because it's always in the back of my head that my past could always come back. Like, no matter I'm a civilian now, I'm not a gang member, I'm doing good for the community,

I probably fuck somebody off, and now they want their get back. It's always in the back of my head. So I end up going, and it was the real deal. So that's how when people see me with all these artists, it's because of Nate. And then I dibbled and dabbled in politics. Like I started working with a politician named Ivan Sanchez.

He reached out to me on social media because he's seen all the good I was doing. And I went to spoke at like the congressional meetings and spoke up against the injustices. And I started working with various individuals. Like right now I work with the best immigration attorney in Texas, Kim Bruno. And we speak out against everything that's going on with ICE right now. I think that is very unfair. Like, it's like it's a huge injustice what's going on, how they try to portray the Mexican people as savages, criminals,

but they're running in schools in Houston and getting elementary kids. You think they're savages because of that? Do I think who's savages? The little kids that are ISIS running in schools for. I mean, I don't know anything. I don't think the little kids are savages, no, in general. No, no in general. Right. But they're saying that ICE is only targeting criminals.

But why are you going to an elementary school? Like in Houston, it's happening. What about over here? I think they're saying. I think they're hitting anybody. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I don't see why they would go into a school. And I can imagine there's a reason to go into a school. And this is what I'm going to say. This is how unjust the system is. If me or you, I go take somebody and we kidnap it. them. You know what's going to happen to me and you, right? Yeah, we're going to go to prison.

In prison, if we go, if the officers go in our cell and take our shit or they beat us up or they tell us strip out ass naked, turn around, squat and cough, it's normal, but they do, someone does it out here, they're a criminal.

There is no equality in the system. If someone out here says, they strip down naked, squat and cough, and if not they spray you, you're going to get aggravated sexual assault. But they do it to us all the time. In Texas prisons, you walk down the hallways, guess what?

They're going to tell you squat, strip and cough, and guess what? If you say no, they're going to spray you, take you to the back room, strip you ass naked, and stick their fingers in your ass, and look. But it's okay. They're going to run in your cells, strip all your stuff down. If I go in someone's house and strip their shit down, that's burglary habitation.

There is no equality in the system. And right now, what ICE is doing, that just shows that there's no equality. There's no equality nowhere. When did you get released? I got released 2022. So this is all very, very recent. Yeah, I got towards the end of 2022, actually, in June 2020. So, and ever since then, I've just been progressing.

I've been like working to fight against the injustices within the system. And sometimes like people don't know like the laws. They're watching. They're watching these podcasts. They're watching your social media because you got a lot of young kids that watch your podcast. You're educating them so they won't never commit the crimes and have to face the time. On top of that, it's more understanding the criminal mind and the sociology of the dynamics that go. on in the neighborhoods so we could better study this issue that we are facing as Americans

because we America rules for the most prisons in the world. You know that? Yeah, yeah. We have 5% of the population of the entire world population. U.S. is 5% and we have 25% of the incarceration. So we have, we're incarcerating it almost like 15 or 20 times what most nations. It's outrageous. Yes. And I think like, Like, we need podcasts like this so people can study the criminal mind or what's going on in the hood. Because, like, your offense, you weren't born a criminal. There was something that triggered you, correct? No, I would say, I mean, yes, but I would say in my situation, and I've mentioned this multiple times,

in your situation, you have less opportunity than I do being raised where it's the black kid raised in the project. everybody he knows is in and out of prison. Everybody he knows is selling drugs. And then he sells drugs. It's like, well, that seems like that's what's going to happen. In my case, I am raised upper middle class. I don't know anybody who's been to prison. I had a decent education.

Everybody I know is successful. I became, I started working at a white collar job, and I still ended up committing crime. So it's like, I look at my, my situation, and I, think, okay, you had all the opportunities and you still committed crime. Like, I'm in a, I think, I feel like guys like me are in a worse situation. I'm in such a better situation. It's a much, much, it's much worse that I'm committing crimes than you're committing crimes because you don't seem to have had the opportunity. And I'm not saying that it's right. It's not justification, but it's kind of, you know, like you were in a shitty situation. You were raised in a shitty

environment and that's it it seems as it is kind of justification but it's kind of like you know what I'm saying like I have I had every opportunity to do the right thing I just started doing it because I'm greedy it wasn't survival I was making good money I just wasn't making enough money you know and that's greed as opposed to I don't know what else to do to survive other than this you know I had plenty of good opportunity so when I it's kind of like guys the guys like me get out of prison and then they bounce back right away wow so man you bounce back right like well I'm so proud of you I have a college education I'm a well-spoken white guy who was raised upper middle class who and got of course I bounced back right away yeah of course you know I mean

you know I granted I it's it's it's hard but it's I'm not a Mexican guy covered in tattoos with a grill you know what I'm saying you got a much harder check time bouncing back than I do. Because when people look at you immediately, when people hear I went to prison, they're like, really? They're shocked. They expect you to have gone to prison. As soon as you walk in and you smile and they see the facial tattoos, they're like,

oh, this guy's like a gang member. He's definitely been to prison. You know what I'm saying? So the fact that someone like you bounces back, I think, is much more impressive than seeing someone like me bounce back. Yes. I give all glory to God. He's using me for his purpose.

And like, I don't even know how I'm here today. But I do believe God has a purpose for everyone. And sometimes people need to hear the message. People need to know that change is possible. There's going to be adversity. They're going to be under attack. But if I could do it, anybody could do it. It doesn't matter where you're from in life.

You can be successful. It's just you have to have patient. Faith without actions is dead. Don't limit yourself. All you have to do is one step out of time. It's going to be hard. I get hard all the time. Sometimes I feel like I might lose a contract.

I'm working. I'm the sole provider for my family right now. I own everything. And people don't realize how hard it is to do everything legally. It's easy to go rob. It's easy to go steal. It's easy to sell dope. The hardest thing to do is to come home, work a 9 to 5, open up a business, and do everything

Legitly everybody says man I want to own my own business You work more yeah than the nine to five worker and it's very hard and then like I'm still oppressed by the system but I don't let that be a disability or a crutch and says oh I'm on parole I can't do this because I see a lot of homeboys come home and guess what happens to him They go right back to prison because they feel like oh I can't get a job no the parole office actually has like resources for y'all. All you have to do is read. Yeah.

It's not that hard. It might be a shitty job. Like we've had, you know, we've had guys that have been like, they got, they got a job. And it was a shitty job. Okay, well, it's a shitty job for right now. Yeah. It will, you will, if you are good at it and you show up early and you work hard and you leave late and you work, you know, you work at the job, you'll get a better job.

Like you have to be, like you said, patience. It's, it's absolute patience and humility. You have to be humble and appreciative for what you have, and you have to be patient, and you can make it back. It sucks. It sucks. It does. But it will happen.

It'll happen. If you have the right attitude and people see it, they'll give you a chance. Yeah, there's always going to be one person that gives you a chance that changes your life that opens the door for you. Like I told you, I needed a mentor. And I was rough around the edges. I needed someone to define me and make me into. the perfect building stone.

And I'm still growing. Every day in life I'm growing. I'm walking through this realm of existence, and it's always good to have a friend that's going to guide you. When you're about a fall in this hole, guess what he's going to tell you, hey, watch out. There's a hole right here before you bump your head. And it's putting yourself around people that are trying to grow.

Me, I don't talk with no one from the hood no more. I came home after 10 years, and everybody in the hood, guess where they were at? debtor in jail, right? And some of them are still in the hood, riding bikes, living at their people's house, living at Project Housins, living off government assistant. I don't live in the hood no more.

I own my own house. I live in the suburbs. If you could say that. And I have a family. I have a beautiful wife. But I always go back to the hood to help them. If you want change, I'm here to give you change. And I think that, like I said,

God is using me. And man, I'm grateful. I'm grateful to be on this platform right here. And hopefully someone hears the message and they say, hey, they're from Houston. I want to change. I'm tired of living the way I'm living. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching.

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