Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - I HAVE THE DIDDY TAPES! Diddy Insider Leaks Celebrity Victims, Tupac Secrets, & Kim Porters Diary!

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

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When you looked at the flash drives, who were the young artists? I should. Just the evil. Will Smith's son. Nancy Grace is talking about it. Candice Owens. Suddenly Todd's doing all these interviews. You've got discs that prove that he is a predator. Why not contact the FBI and just turn over the videos? Kim Porter, according to the official record, she's written a memoir. It's kind of like diary entries, kind of like a memoir.

She's written a bunch of them. There are multiple flash drives. Prior to her death, she gave it to some friends. One of those friends shortly after, was it like the day after, approached you? I got it like three months before the funeral. And then I'd set on it for the other three months and a year. Do you want to say who the friend is? Well, I can't say the friend is.

Everybody should know what when a friend did, she called me and said, would you do the stuff? I said, I did do something. I said, I released the book. I said, I got them all pressed up. I just didn't put it out. What was on the flash drives? Did you look at the flash drives?

I looked at some of them, but I couldn't look because if you watch two men have a that mean, you just say it's dumb. You guys, I don't even watch Playboy. I don't want to see another man banging a female, but I want to see a female banging a man banging the female would better be me, banging the female. Looking at my own stuff. I'm not sitting there watch a man banging any female or two men banging each other. So I did read something.

I did look at it. I did do the book. The original book was this right here. Right. Tell it all, what you know. I gave it to my private investigator, Todd. You know what I'm saying? Real good guy.

Well, well, okay, so wait. So a few months after you pressed up a bunch of books. And you tried to advertise the books to get them out there. Right. To get her memoir out there. Right. because the memoir is super you know sensational right it talks about it um multiple famous actors uh you're saying you haven't watched all the videotapes do you know how many videotapes were

on there on the in the book it's like 11 flash drive and each of them probably like big bigger bites of it i know put into my computer too much because i didn't want all that in my computer then i got to download to another one then i take all my business with So it was, it was, um, I say it's probably like eight to seven different videos and more words writing to it. You understand? It was more like a diary that was going to be turning to a book at first. And this poet talked about her nose being broken, that he hated, that he was messing with young boys, talked about how he tore us your ass up. when you looked at the flash drives who were the the two um i i know we spoke before you said there were there were two young artists one was usher who was the other one um one was usher

and i believe the other one was definitely so my son it was definitely to my okay it wasn't it wasn't before we talked you said it was uh justin beber yeah thought it was him too as well it was just to be in somebody else will smiths son too I ain't holding no punches yeah it was will smiths son too and there were some female some young women

it was females I'm not good with everybody name in music business because I only list of several different artists but it was J-Lo it was in there it was the young lady that sued them I can't remember her name

Right. Cassie. I can't really tell who is made. You got to really draw it in. It seemed like the camera was up in the light on shooting from a corner. It was something in the bathroom. It showed that how they set Kevin Hart up. But see, what do you mean? Set Kevin Hart up? Oh, somebody came and gave one. That was the newest one. I'm mixing some of the newest one I had got. It was like when Kevin Hart was in the, um, hosted his show and they was in a bathroom just him and then a bodyguard came in there then he came out and the girl bought him a drink he tasted and it's like he he tasted it the second drink of the same glass that's where he was coming to bottle like something was then then it showed him in the tub getting whacked you know so that's what I switched it When it shows Usher and Will Smith's son and Justin Bieber, were they underage at the time? I tried to go by his tattoos for Justin Beaver age.

But at the time, it started from when he could have been 16 because he was his, he was real, he had all the tattoos on it. He had this little shaggy, um, here doing the front of the, I forgot the bob, whatever the girls call it, hanging in front of his head. And game, hand him a bottle. like there wasn't nobody drew out the bottle gang walks around daddy hand him the bottle he drank it and then like blow him down off his feet so he could have been young back there you know what's then you could say he wasn't 17 I don't know if he was there and he ain't have been too far out of Pampas so you know I mean by that he definitely wasn't 17 18 I could say he was pushing 16 hard or early because

how, you know, how he was dressed and how he was, you know, yeah, I can say he probably about 16 to 15. If that's the case, then an usher was in those same videos. Is it around the same time period? Usher was, like was Usher. Usher was in a video when he was definitely young, because I remember he came home, he talked about drinking the champagne, he had champagne.

He talked about he was, he asked him in the video, was that Ed Lover for Hot 97? So you're talking about Ed Lovett back in Hot 97 when he was DJ. you take the time for that us had to be like 16 like he didn't even have a good beehive back then he was he was definitely young he was definitely young because he spoke i heard him say in the video about um was that ed lover from hundred ninety seven if sitting on the couch could have been like in bedroom or could have been in bedroom you know most people put like coulars in their

uh bedroom as well they're own big about their master bedroom but he does Definitely was under eight. Is I'll be sure on the video? I didn't see I'll be sure directly into the video. I don't know who it was, but they said he walked in, and he was giving me head, as they say, in the office. And he said, yo, he did that to him for money. So I think me, if you were saying anybody else to say,

or he used it to enforce his rule of taking his son away from him away from Kemp. okay so for those people that don't aren't don't understand that um kim porter had a was it a son with i'll be sure she was married to him prior to uh being married to or being with uh um sean combs so he then used that to break that he then blackmailed him into i don't think it was more blackmail it's to to break him down like this is the man you supposed to be with you know what I can see it because if a man if I lose I'm a good loser so if I lose my wife and I'm not married today I lose my wife to any man I'm not

losing my kids to any man I don't care how much money they got how big the name is I'm still going to be their father you're not going to have me take it especially that young you know I'm saying I got two sons of my own so you tell me that if my son come to me or his mother come to me and say I want that guy to be his father they're both crazy that's my breath you know what I'm saying you could have her because it's a thing of divorce it's such thing as that it's such thing of adoption you want to send go adopt some but look in it from your eyes and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth you got kids you're not going to let a man take your wife and your kid you

understand you and before us kings didn't let you take their castle no mind take their queen and the kid you understand but that's modern day that's in every textbook today it's a thing of divorce you understand refight over um kids today you know what I'm saying somebody says something to my sons of course I'm fighting over you know what I'm saying so you're not going to just take my son away I think he was more used of leverage some men think just because another man get him head or they hit the other man in the back they're not the same as that man you understand you gay if you watch a video of two menhams you know saying you gave you that another man

performed any type of act of today i don't know why they don't come out to say it you know why it's so undercover when you get married it's like a pitch i d today you can walk around with your lover so you understand i mean i'm i'm thinking one i'm thinking just in the industry at that time oh no it wasn't it was it wasn't that of course it wasn't that um I'll open to do it, you understand, but people have done it, you know what I'm saying? Right. 2024, whatever it came,

and people ain't just pop up and say, I'm gay and I'm happy. You know what I'm saying? It just was more, it was more legal now that you go get married, same thing. You know what I'm not the way to judge them

and tell them that they can't, but when you in a rap game, I'm not going to say R&B, but when you're in a rap game, you can't be in a booth tomorrow, getting guns and running down on somebody, somebody running down on you.

You know what's that? It's portraying. Okay. So you get this, you get these flash drives. You take a look at them. You, you cobbled together these writings, right?

Like the, the, the, the, the, um, the memoir. You put it together. You get it turned into some books.

No, I didn't put it together. It was when, it went from the, the flash drive, straight to print. Okay. Nothing was rearranged.

Nothing was changed. It was, It was street to it. So you had somebody print, print the books up and you, did you try, I mean, at some point, did you go out and you try and, like, how did it get to, I mean, how did it get to Todd? I mean, I know I talked to, you know, Wade, Wade Williamson. So I know that at some point he contacted you, but prior to that, you had, you told me on the phone, prior to that, you had tried to kind of promote it yourself and get it out. I didn't personally try to promote it. Like I said, I wasn't, I wasn't so ancient to put it out to do all that.

You know what I did what I could do? I did the hard work. I put it on paper. I put it on cover and I gave it to somebody to get money. And they end up dealing with Wade. And then I asked Wade, how did he get it? He said, he got it from you. I said, you didn't get it for me.

how do you get the book he said no i got it inbox me oh i got it from uh i bought it from someone and somebody want to talk to you he said who always said private investigator talk to him you know that's this you all had no problem and i told him and we did business he said that chris todd was a private investigator chris todd's a um um he's a you know he's a reporter he's a but not a private investigator whatever he is Yeah, he's a, what do they call him? You know, a journalist, whatever. Yeah.

Journalism. So, so you spoke with Todd. You guys went back and forth. Like, did he ask to see the flash drives? I sent him one of the flash drives that came with the book where you see everything. It was legit. How he did he say I pressed it up. It was a joint deal together, you know what I did?

But did the flash drive you sent him have any of the videos on? I have no idea. but I sent him this. I don't know what happened to that book. It had pictures in it. It had him a snoop holding hands under the table. You know, he rubbed on Snoop leg and hands. And then it had him in the mold with, um, with Leo, the own girlfriend talks about like, why, you know, you, you diddy Jr. they had a lot of pictures right with biggie way back then when they was you know who's been beefing you know that's why i call him a double agent him in the wrong mode with with uh andre harold once you got it to you end up uh working a deal out with todd was he was he once you got it to you end up uh working a deal out with todd was he what was he supposed to do with the with the book he was supposed to get it published he wanted to get it published and put out

what what what i mean what was that conversation no he said wait told me he had somebody who wanted to put it out that he'd get it blown up he put it out it wasn't on he got it on amazon he got okay him face on the front of it he took this the off of it and put kim face on it okay and did his numbers it did um you know i think the book is something self sold it so he he played a part of it a great part of it he did his interviews well i think initially according to wade like the first week it was out it didn't sell it wasn't selling Wade ended up i contacted you guys on your show yeah you're right yeah he con he would because he was he had contacted me he said look he said would you be interested in having me on to talk about this

this memoir and he kind of explained it to me and i was like okay and he said but i got a contact you know, let me contact Todd and Courtney to see if they're okay with me doing this. And then you guys gave him the green light, but he had said that you guys were like, don't mention our names, just don't even mention, just mention that the book came out. And so I did like a whatever, over an hour long video with him. And then I think a couple days later, after we put it out, a couple days later, it's like it got a couple two hundred fifty thousand views like in the first day so within a day of that Todd started doing interviews where Todd said he didn't want his name associated with it

but then he ended up doing an article with somebody and mentioned that he was he had published the book which was you know strange that but so then the book of course then it really you know obviously started selling. And how many, do you know how many copies it had sold or how much? You know what? I don't even got record of that. I just know it's money out there that I didn't receive.

You know, I can't really tell you how many units itself sold. But I'm sure it's sold a lot. I looked on it today before I talked to you. It's up for auction for $5,000 for one book. So it had to tell a lot for somebody to put on eBay for that much. Todd said it sold over a million dollars. Right.

It did over a million dollars in gross sales. So, and I know that it was an, it, within let's say two weeks, it was an Amazon bestseller. It was the Amazon bestseller. Right. And then, I mean, listen, everybody was talking about it. What's their name? Nancy Grace is talking about it. Candice Owens is talking about it.

He was reading it. Yeah, everybody's reading it. Todd is doing all these different, suddenly Todd's doing all these interviews. I mean, it was really blowing up there for a while. And then I guess Albi Shore got a hold of it. And he was very upset because of what it said about he and Sean Colmes, you know, what happened, what the memoir says happened with between the act that happened between the two of them right he got upset and then his lawyer sent out cease and desist letters the season to i seen that it was mostly

for kim pitcher on the front of respect for the family and i can understand it that's their mother but you can't be upset about what your mother did um what she did i know she passes going what about What about Tupac mother? What about Biggie mother? What about Cray Mac mother? What about Avery Sure mother? What about Heavy D mother? What about Black Rob mother?

What about the corner that did Kim, Tess or her, his mother? There's a lot of mothers out there hurt. You understand? That followed them and other people, mothers who love them as artists. So you can't symbolize his mother. That's why it didn't pull to have his cover on it, her face on it but um the book is true i didn't change it i'll be sure the biggest problem

was he thinks somebody stole the book and put it out of course we meant he's a man who want people to know their kids know what something happened like you know what he caused him all problem for itself be quiet let people believe what they want to believe people say the UFOs be quiet because at the same time what about um King he had a mother and a father so for you to say something about his father on TV that he was the one

who did this to me he killed Kim your son is in the house with them he could go back to you if Puffy go to jail today that he is but for life who gonna feed the twins and King he ain't gonna feed him

Christian can go back home with him Justin got a mother they're doing very good so he's more making it bad for his son in the house with them because they look at him like what is your father talking about that he did this to my father they got the same mothers but he still got a father to go to him king don't the twins don't so i'll be sure best thing to do let them believe it's grieve in on the moon that came down the earth don't believe it's flying saucers in this thing don't believe clones is taking old people

At the end, he need to get back time with his kid, the son that he lost. He need to make a way for them because that lifestyle, he won't have after May, he got to fulfill them shoes. You understand? If they, after Puffy go to court in May, it's not looking too good for. No. It's not. No, it's not looking good.

No, the guns longer get him 15, 20 years. Right. I'm just going by that. They found guns. I'm not going by what they said he did or whatever. because they got to come out and say, these kids got to open their mouth and say, when I was such age, he did this to me.

So, but the guns alone, to give him 15 years. So 15 years, anything could happen. Is he going to take care of twins and King? No, he not. He ran from his first son. So I'll be sure if threatens a lawsuit. His lawyers are saying they're going to sue.

Amazon ended up taking, Amazon took the book down initially because of the photograph. They said that it was a copyright violation. Then Todd put the book back up without the cover. He put another generic cover on there. Then there was only up for another week and then Amazon took it back down. Now, I'm assuming they took it back down because they either they received the cease and desist or they received the fact that the book was part of a lawsuit

and that they were going to name Amazon in the lawsuit. But you're saying, we spoke earlier and you said that you don't think that there's going to be a lawsuit. No, it's not a lawsuit because at the end of the day, it's a lawsuit on him. He sat there and said that their king and a twin father killed their mother. You know what I'm saying? That's the same way.

The book say he was with Puffy. He's doing the same thing. It's more that he want to sell his book. It's more that he got his name caught up in it. But the facts is he wasn't a father to his son. That's everybody proof. Without even reading the book. His son's living in the house with Dedy and Kemp.

That's proof right there. You're not the father that you're supposed to be. You didn't fight for your son. So I think it's more, I think it's more of that than anything. I don't think he, he, he's hurting from the, um, what the book said. It's more that was facts. It really has what's said. It's not about the book.

It's about the, what happened. So that's, that's what I think it is. But the book did get taken down. Yeah, it did take it down. Is there any possibility? Have you talked to Todd about getting the book put back up? I mean, it was, from, you know, what you had said, it sold a ton. I mean, I know, you know, I know that, you know, that I don't want to say the numbers,

but, I mean, we're talking about, and you had mentioned that the royalties were in excess of, like, you know, half a million. Right. So it's, it's, that's a lot of money. Like, is that money going to be dispersed, do you think? I mean, are you trying to get the book, take, put back up? Like, I don't, me personally, I'd rather put it up, it going to go back up. regardless because one it was given to me to do it and I like doing the job you understand what Amazon take it back maybe if it don't got the picture maybe if

it don't say nothing about I'll be sure but that still don't stop the facts that I'll be sure you said that did he killed Kim Porter we're talking That's happened every day. Sex happened every day. But you weren't about what? When you tell that these twins and King that their father killed Kim Porter, which worse? I think that

Sean Combs is not going to sue. I'll be sure because he's got bigger bigger fish to fuck right now. No. He's not. So you want to go out to other people that you figured he ain't said that in this when Puffington was a lot was on the streets. Right. He can't say. I never said

that. You said you heard this interview I did. Puffy was free as a bird. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't wait until he'd go to jail to say anything. I said all of 35 years we've been in the music business together. And I say when he did is gone. I do want to apologize to the kids with the young adults and the twins for their mother ended up being on the front cover of it.

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put up books. They're putting her photo on all those. So I don't know why they took. I mean, I do know why they took it down took your version down because of the photo but i think that was a they were just trying to get it taken down not realizing other people were going to start putting up books i doubt any of those books are the same as the the memoir though right and that memoir is not the same as the original one the original one has pictures and it don't have a face on you know what right so this is the official one um the one tied and where you have is the official one is out but it will be back up whether i be sure like it or not you understand and people are trying to sell them right now for how much 4,000 so i'm going for 5 000 so they're going for 50

it's all on ebay and the funny thing amazon was still selling the same book with the cover i don't know was in it after they took it down the season and since. I guess my question is that you, at some point, don't you think that the FBI is going to want to take a look at the flash drives that you have? I think they already know because it ain't hard to Google what the name is, and it linked back to who I am for years, you know what I'm saying? I know it's gets the law for child

on videos. I didn't put it on here. Right. You understand? I know it gets the law for a lot of things. But have I broke a law? No. I haven't broken any law.

Did Ty lie to the viewers? No, Ty didn't lie to the viewers. Ty didn't know. Wade didn't know. I didn't know. No one knows what was going to have it. He did he sent itself to jail. for the things he did you know right i'm home ain't no thousand oil bottles in here and the lubricate

no wild parties in here you know what i'm saying so he did what he did who gonna put him in jail what i'm wondering is that like he's there obviously there's going to be a prosecution they're got they've gathered a ton of evidence but i would think that the fbi would want to would have contacted you to try and look at the flash drives is that i mean and you're just say but nobody's contacted you nobody only person contacted me is the ones who say what's going on that want to see what was done to them you understand they want justice i want justice two pop was my man you understand who is that who has contacted you to ask that um different people who's in the in the in the in the um book you know i don't

okay i don't be name dropping you understand um okay i gave my word to you that i do the show You know what I'm saying? A lot of people didn't want me to do the show Because they know what type of person I am I'm not going to sit up on your show and bite my tongue You know what I'm doing? Do you know if Todd's been contacted by the FBI? Um

I spoke to Todd earlier today I think somebody had reached out for So whatever he got In the flashed with the email I guess he's surrendering that right now today Okay so all right So I mean he's turning over evidence So if, if you're, I mean, I'm assuming a lot of this is you did this because you wanted, you wanted Kim Porter's, you know, you wanted her wishes to be fulfilled, right, to be granted that, that did he or that Sean Combs gets arrested, that, you know, he's brought to justice. Lots of people want, you know, him to be brought to justice. Why not, why not contact the FBI and just.

over the the videos i mean they've they've clearly they've got child on them you know they've got truth well i'm from that snitch and i'm not i'm not getting in that category of snitch you understand is i'm on here doing interview you is that called snitching is it called dry snitching or third prison snitcher no you know it's called it's called two pop told him that he don't die he multiplied i'm too pop today And he wants some justice for what he did. You know, I'm 54 now. If I was early, will I be out there acting like I'm young?

Yes, I will. But I'm 54. I have a life. I have a family to stay behind. So just as far as you get, you know what you want to call me. I'm not up here like Gene and Jaguar going to thing, dropping all this and that. That's their lifestyle. You know, we all know why Gene not the bodyguard no more.

you understand if anybody know we already know why uh chat why isn't he go ahead why isn't he the the bodyguard because he was getting high he was getting high with biggie and him at the studio and big he called on him and puffy said he told puffy that um you know i need another body card because jena hit high puffy walking the studio he laid out on the couch like it washed up well on the beach so he got on he said yo but bigie writing little killman on music and that's what piss big puff off the worst that's the night he got killed he told him that he said what just tell me if you wrote the music for all of them big face you know he didn't want he claimed that he didn't want to be to cross seas no he wanted what happened to be happy that's what he wanted

to happen everything happens just like he wanted to but i hold jana count him for because jane sat there and got 30,000 was offered to him to kill him why didn't he he's a cop jean is the ex correctional's an ex-cop whatever he is but he's in law enforcement so way why did he tell the mother that they was going to kill me that's what i hold him count him for he's sitting on tv there smiling oh puff offered me 30,000 to kill you cool saying that that's cool saying it um i mean i guess he's okay with it okay there you go now we know why he fired and now we know why he in the correction also police no more because he don't live by the rules of the streets

or the rule of his job um okay so have you i have a question so if the fbi show so i don't understand if the fbi were to show up and want copies or want to take the flash drives like have you have you made copies of them? Are you going to, are you going to hand you over? If I see alphabet jackets coming on my lawn, they can have what they want to have. Bones they ain't taking me. I got a hundred inch TV. They want that.

They can take that right with them. But no. Because, I mean, yeah, I just like, I don't see, I see them definitely. Look, I don't see Todd not telling them where he got this from. You see what I'm saying? Like, I don't see Todd saying, I'm going to, I'm a journal. I'm not going to tell you who my source is because, you know, so far he hasn't. You know, he's he keeps mentioning two people that are in in the entertainment industry, which, let's face it, that's accurate.

That's you and it's Wade. Right. And of course, Wade just said, hey, meet this guy. He didn't, that was it. I mean, I know he had a copy of the original, your original, the, you know, the memoir. But so Todd has been, you know, Todd has said that, but I'm pretty sure that if the FBI reaches out to him, he's going to immediately say, hey, listen, the guy's name is Courtney Burgess. Here's who he is. So I'm thinking that they're probably going to come. I think the problem is, is that, you know, well, one, you're, you've looked at the videos, you know, not good. You know, I know you're saying, you're saying, hey, I didn't know that this was on there. The other thing is, is that, you know, to me, I would. contact the authorities because you're essentially you're in possession of one child to

evidence and this is evidence in that in his in the case and I know you're saying it's snitching but this guy is done he's going down and you've got you know you're you've got you've got you've got discs that prove that he is a predator and he's having with underage you know with children it's child so that's a that's a that's a it's a it's a. definitely nail in his coffin. I mean, I'm kind of assuming they probably already have tapes like that. Right. And they got people who did it still alive. They need to march yourself down there and say, because then it's not snitching. It's about these kids. They are victims. They're not anticipators. You know what I'm saying? They're not going to be usher tomorrow. He goes down

there and say what happened. He's going to be a bigger usher because he's going to stop what was going on like me. I want to stop with, I want him stopped in his tracks as he was something he had to do with Tupac killing. Because it ain't just from Tupac's Tupac's Tupac. It's Gaddafi. You understand? That was his guy, brother, got killed.

Then I got shot in East Storch. You understand six times that he's staunch on Muna Hevado. You got shot? Yes. Yeah. All of my hand. So, it's

It's big of that. How does that happen? Behind that. Behind that? Behind what? Behind the Tupac and the Biggie situation. Okay. You understand?

Because I was up in the label. Next to a little kiln, next to Biggie, Mark Pitts and all of them coming to the label. And then they didn't know that I was, you know, affiliated with Tupac until we did the song. And you were suspects. Mike Geronimo, Dad Mex on. But are you saying that, so I kind of missed that first part, which was that they paid you to do the, the Hail Mary?

Yes. Okay. Did they pay you for the song or paid you to produce it? They paid me for the, it wasn't a song at first. It was just the track. and then they had an engine egg some guy that hit them hard with them or whatever a lot of people from death row was there

you know what I just knew Pop, Shug from, I only know Shug from seeing them you know what I'm saying, everybody knows sugar you know, sitting down with him no, never ate with him no. Has I seen Pop? Yes, Stephanie Hall talked to on the phone, spoke with him, did everything else with him, but it was hired for money. Help me out.

Right. You know what I needed to cash. I was on I had a bump deal. Money was the floor like he used to. My name was bigger than my money. You know what I said? So he put me in a good predicament. You know, 18, 17, you see $250K in your hand. What you're going to do?

Okay, that's right. Okay. That's what I thought you had said $250. Yeah, I don't. So I, so my, my, probably my last question here is what's going on with Todd? Like, I mean, what's the issue? you with Todd. I mean, have you guys, what's he

saying? Like, I mean, why haven't they released the funds? Oh, the funds don't be released because royalties be a whole, you know, they hold royalties for a certain amount of time. Yeah, like, like 30 to 60 days. 90 to 60 days. 60 to 90 days. 90 to 60? Yeah. Okay.

So it's no big thing. He's not so. You understand? We took the book down. First it was because of Kim's face. Then he went it down because he was in it. But in reality, he knows it's true. He don't want to tell anybody. He said somebody stole it.

He thought it was behind Puffy. He did it to mess with him. You understand? I don't know what he ever did with Puffie. I don't know what Puffy ever did with them, but I know it was on the, on them more. You understand? So if I was there, I'm just as guilty as them.

I'm not, again, Gene sat there and say he was, watch him and Jiru, do the butt plugs and all that. You're the same as them. I don't see Puffy let you see that much. And you're not anticipating him, too. You know, is there? Nobody going to bring in the room, watch them bang another man and don't make you get on it, too.

Like, all the females admit it that Puffy Lett's friends gang banged. But he not meant that he helped gang bang and duke. So I'm not taking, I'll be sure. I don't, well, he did. He got to pay for his lifetime. But, yes, the book will be back up. investors trying to get the book to do movies you know what I'm saying so yeah so you're trying to I mean so you guys are trying to sell the the book for the film rights if the book honest if the book go for film rights I make sure half the money do go to King and two girls the twins I can be that fair okay I

definitely make sure that happened because they'll this is it all they got is their self and their grandmother i don't know what puffy got put away for them but that's how i play um so have you one more question is that uh jaguar was talking about how there are people out there trying to sell the uh the the discs or the the sell the the the videos the the the the flash drives. I mean, has Todd tried to sell the flash drive? I know I saw an interview where he said he would flat sell them. I saw it. I saw it too, but I don't know what he would sell. And I'm going to be honest with you. Jack Ward talking a whole lot of SHIT. You understand? Because anybody had them did it have been showed it. Right. You know what I'm saying? This bigger than the presidential right

now diddy you know what's then you've got two things to watch the presidential or diddy so the money is out there for it if they had i'm not trying to sell it you know what's saying i want to keep it so do a movie if anybody pop out if i haven't that long since you said fbi i looking for if i have them that long yes i will put in a movie put it out so that'll be my proof but well as me sell it no i ain't hard up to put it so i just like good business. So that's what it would be business. I'm not going to sell it to Mary Jay or sell it to Usher

or sell it to Jay-Z. I'm not going to confront them like. I'm not going regardless of you stopping by, I'm not going to, I call extortion. I know that's stored for my lunch and I ain't know been distorted for my shoes or glasses. I ain't going to start doing it. I'm going to pay up that bad.

So I don't know. So what's the issue? What's going on with you and Todd right now? Todd thing he liked to have everything in his hands. And it can't be like that all the time. You know what I'm saying? This umbrella is not just tired holding an umbrella. I'm here to help him realize that people believe that he did get it from somebody.

You understand? I'm not here to destroy credibility. I'm more here to help him. But he can't tell me he didn't know this. he know that I've been in the music building for 35 years I don't know how long he'd been in his professional but I've seen it the music business I tasted

I lived it I made it you know what's that he got the book out of Wade hand Wade got it from a mutual friend I got it from somebody and a mutual friend gave it to Wade and it worked how many books sold in 15 days

1.5 man that's a lot that's a lot. Probably it's a lot of books. That's a lot of books. I'm glad people reading today. I'm glad they reading today. But who else made that much money? Records don't even sell that much no more. The label's mad. They wish they had his music in it. Average artist's selling, what, 300,000 records today? You're probably looking at over 25,000 books have been sold, maybe more. Okay. At a minimum, maybe probably closer to 30,000 books. if it's over a million, if it's, if it's over a million gross, if you're saying it's 1.5, well then it's then add another 15,000 to that. So it might be 40, 45,000 books. That's a ton of books. You had said, you know, we spoke before and you had said that you, you grew up with Sean Combs or you grew up in that same area as him. And if you knew him when you're area, we grew up in a generation of his father and my godfather. Oh,

Prank Lucas. Okay. Can you explain that? I grew up in Newark, New Jersey. The Bellsbred area, the downtown area, all over north, no special place. I had a lot of people older me. I like to hang around older people. You know, staying some of the bigger players out there. From Ark Park, Pray, he just been released. Glad for him to be home for 37 years. I've been in prison of federal jail, Kingpin, for New York. through Germany. Frank Lucas, a couple of Italians, the Galicios. Puffy, he always, it's a generation thing between man, not just music. His father was in a little, he had his own little thing. I'm not going to say he was affiliated with Frank Lipps, but he was a snitch. His father was a snitch,

and Frank Lucas didn't trust him. And as Puffy grew up, which is the music is, I came in the 94 under the artifacts, big, big records with Craig Kelman. So as we grew up, I dropped his album, Heardrop, he was, you know, he was balancing back before. He was his weight in New York, you understand? Before then, man, Puck, Tupac, we grew up, I'd say around 94, Queen Latifah. He was at a show in Newark Symphony Hall. He was backstage in Jay-Z. I ran to that's when I first met Jay-Z back in 94 at Stephanie Hall backstage, you know.

How old were you then? I could have been about 18. Okay. 18. And you were already, were you already producing records or you were trying to enter the end? I was already in the music. I came up with Wycliffe. He was my classmate for the Fugis.

hung around red man the outsiders Queen Latifah Apache made rest of peace Mark it was a big crowd doing had a big you know

big outcome but at the same time one was two good managers for me and Shaquim Shabat Shaquim was Queen Latifah manager that was the artifacts manager I came up I got a phone call from Pock

he said yo man I'm sending the fatal home He crashed my range by our land cruiser, came into the club with a gun, get him a record deal. So I was already on Atlantic with Lil'Kil. Wait, I don't understand. What happened? Tupac.

You have to understand that this is, this whole world is foreign to me. Okay, Tupac, he's from the outdoors. And he gave me a call. He said, I'm sending fatal, Hussein fatal home. He's coming home back to Montclair, New Jersey. So I went up there, I met with a producer named Buff to reach fatal. So I'll say, look, pop to talk to me, I need to get you a deal, you know, give me like 17 days. I got him a record dealing like 14 days with a Wanda Booth at Relativity Records, and Steve Stapples.

So I got him to deal. I couldn't take him to the landing because, of course, Little Kim was over there, Junior Mafia, Biggie, all of us over there. So at the same time, we did, DMX just got to death jail with Suzanne and, Rose was there. Camoia was over there. So they, you know, said, yo, Dan Mix, we about to drop him. So I took DMX. We put them on a song with Mike Dronimo called Unusual Suspects. So Puffy heard it.

The next day we heard the song on radio and Puffy took Fade Woff. because he was affiliated with the outlaws of Tupon. So it was a big thing behind that. You understand? A lot of people was kind of scared of David Puffy back then. I wasn't. So I confront him about the song, why he take him off. You understand?

He wanted to put the locks on. You know, so it's okay. You know, it wasn't no beef. I'm in two labels in New York now. I run from relativity, run to a line of records. by myself. So, you know, it wasn't no scared thing because, you know, I was born by myself. It was more that

looking through your rear through mirror and watching you're looking over your shoulders, that type of thing. So, you know, the artifacts did this thing. Artifacts did good. They did it. When gold on a high school high project, that's the movie soundtrack with Wu-Tain and all of them. Eric Badu and all of the same time I ran to pocket in Baltimore and he was doing on in Baltimore in Baltimore in the corner house got the name of the street really named the street but you know he's going through things going to school there then he went over to he got arrested New York you know I'm skipping time but at the same time I still was affiliated with people in New York you understand they were still kind of scared of puff and I was I was kind of more nervous

over the world because here I go. I'm affiliated with our own laws. I got to come over here every day regardless. Being in the tunnel, being in different clubs in New York, I have to still watch my back with shooting kickoff. New York with him and Sean and J-Lo. So, you know, it's perfect. That's him.

You understand? The things he do, that's him. I had watched one of your interviews. where or I read something online where it said that you were you'd help produce one of Tupac's songs, one of the famous

ones like Hell Mary. Hell Mary. Yeah. I'd seen him in New York and he asked what was going on. I said, yeah, I'm away here on this this label. I wasn't happy where I was at. So what you got? You know, I'll never hear it. The Shud was there. He paid me more what I had got for what I got on the record there for. So he said, you know, because engineer producer was there, hit him hard, was there too.

So there's no credits really performed, hit him hard. He was the engineer and producer, dog. He took over the track. So I left, you know, I got almost a quarter million in my pocket. I'm not going to sit there cash. I'm not going to sit there and wait for,

you know, somebody can take it off me. So I was out. I let them handle that part. But we still stayed in, contact through phone, you know, that's how I end up signing fatal to him, talking to him, talking to his father, his father was doing life in prison, Mouta, Shakur. Yeah, I was wondering, like, the collaboration between you guys. It was more friends than more business. Like, I was his road dog. I was this, you know,

his ears in New York. I came to the sideline. I used to be with Isa. That's his manager. out in the Bay Area, I went out there, man fatal several times. I went to meet him out in Cali. I was out in Burbank. I was more his, you know, his edge, his shadow. You know, he was a cool guy, you know what I said? Get down to the basics, you know, even in Atlanta,

when he just comes to the rim shop, where Eric Sherman had, a couple of holders. You know, we used to meet up there and talk. anything he need i got for well i thought i thought i saw some i saw one of the interviews where you talked about um you had talked to uh teupac about starting your own label yeah it was called alter eagle records that's why he's uh i got a couple of songs with him on him a fatal um i launched it but i didn't release anything yet you know i'm waiting for the time you know not for hard time just for the right time you know i know i know it's been several years

but i do i do i got some songs out on um on all the platform i release but you're saying you were talking about starting one with him yes all to the eagle all to the eagle records was he unhappy um yes i'm gonna say he was unhappy he had um his own label that we switched over to um job records mince bombs got them on job records and that's what i took fade war with the relatives they didn't want to put everything in all the aes in one basket a million

records okay um when two poppers arrested should be in bell them out in the scope belt about should was signed to him as a manager that is the label um

randg was going to bell them out at first. A lot of people they know Ron G was going to be able to want to bail him out. But Shug got Bell's Mount at first. So he ended up, you know, paying his dues to Shug because that was his bell side. And at the time over there, you could see his

Snoop face how jealousy was. He was so jealous of Pock. Every time they take a picture, Pop was under Big Shiz's arms. Snoop was always on the fur and you can see the jealousy growing every day in the space. It wasn't about Snoop Dog. Come on. Snoop Dogg dropped one good album. dog palinic one big thing what dog he was i don't know what dog you'd call him he wasn't a pit bull he wasn't a german shepherd you understand he was a watch dog i'll call him watch dog you know what's

not no not no no dog man you'll buy you know we probably buy for our daughters our wife but he wasn't that he wasn't a vicious poodle you know what I was that he was a definitely would age it. So you had on, on a, I want to say it was dope TV that, the, or something, yeah, it was one of those interviews where I saw you and you were, you had basically said that like, that, um, that Snoop dog, you kept, you kept basically saying he was, uh, he was like a snitch or something. Yeah, he was a house dog. He go out in the street. He go out. When I mean by that, he'd be in the house with there for, uh, he was a house with, therefore, uh, he was a house. round Shug

around Pop then he hit the streets he ran to tell Puffy at his house because the son used to hang with Puffy son what else could they talk about

when you beefing with two different things what else can you talk what could be the conversation with Puffy he always did step ahead of POP

because Pop dropped it first with bone thugs then B-D dropped with bone thugs what else could he talk about that beef was so hard it wasn't as hard as when

Poxy big and he's shooting all they throw in hands. It was more who could sell the most record type. But when you got somebody like, Diddy and Snoop, acting like two girls, or don't let her do your hair, or don't let her hold your bags, it got out of hand. You understand?

Snoop, he was a snitch for the FBI, for the feds. He was a snitch for, of course, Diddy. He was a house dog. Why do you say he was a snitch? for the feds how does because one you got to look at his thing he gets lots up for murder then he get pulled over for marijuana house a couple of peck a couple of weight of weed then he catched rape charges of young 15 year old white girls you understand from girls

going wild that was buried under the table because of course you know what buried things on the table mulah you know what's the only thing of buried thing though But at the same time, now he running around Marka Stewart try to hide. You understand? It's just something by his whole demeanor that don't fit in. You understand? How you go from being a dog, a house dog,

to getting a murder charge, to get caught with weed and rape charge? Well, I don't know how that makes him a, how does that make him a... Because he never did, Tom. jail. When you don't do time of jail for things like that, you tell him something. You don't think

it's money? No, you just had a lot of money. No, it's not money. When you touch little girls, I don't care what race they are. White, Chinese, black, whatever nationality is a crime. You're looking at the age and how he's supposed to have rape the

ecstasy, weed. Whatever he used the tool to get it, he got it. Same time, he's leaving the state. I don't know if you have been a court of federal charge or any type of charge. You can't leave the state when you on paper. Then when we get to New York, you don't go up in the studio and record. He goes to studio, the radio station with Angie Martinez with Biggie and Pop.

I mean with Biggie and Pete Diddy. He didn't come on stage with Puffy. I mean, let me get the names right. He'd go to the studio with Biggie and Diddy. and Angie Martinez, hot 97. You don't go upstairs with Pock and Defrell, Shug, the outlaws. That's the night of the shooting.

So what could they talk about? He'd get on there, these my dogs. He'd say, oh, Pock, I don't want to be gangster. He never was gangster. What made him gangster? Because he's not doing the Crip Walk dance because he wore a blue bandad around his neck because he's a rapper.

That'll make you gangster. He never did me anything gangster. What makes him gangster? And Pock is not a blood. He's not a Crip. So why will you tell Pock you don't want to be caseable? So do you think that he had something to do with setting up Tupac with Tupac's murder? Of course.

I saw that part of the interview. I do. Why do you think that? What do you think happened there? Because if his son grew up with Tiddy's son and he goes to sit at Diddy. And if Diddy wiping oil you on everybody, or whatever his his charges may be what he do what he do with snoop did he's not stupid he just did stupid things so he's sitting there he got to tell him something that he's a crib so somebody

run and do something to a crib and he's jealous envy he's all he got like an eight roll face he got jealousy showing envy showing can't stand pox showing i'm mad showing he got everything in one face come snooped off the agro face he he's just mad you know what's that key d he should just tell the truth who was really in the car with him his nephew was another in the car with his nephew got his shoulder kicked out of place went to the restaurant aside the casino was kefy d in the car but who was in the back seat who was round with him his own words he said big meech was in the car so you take big meat you take puffing You take everybody around Puffy who dealt with Big Meach.

Big Meach just come to the stute, the rim shop in Atlanta. They all know Pop. He had to get a rap with him. Why Snoop never came to the fight. They just was on him. They was on the private jet together, just left New York. So, I mean, I still don't understand. So you're thinking that he had something to do with it because he didn't show up?

I think he had something to do with it because he knew what's going to happen. Whether he showed up or didn't show it up, he knew what was happening. So he figured Pac got the way, he begged Snoop Dog. He did, he did, he did a dog, house dog again. He wasn't a house dog no more. From chronic, what other record he made big? I, I don't know. He didn't.

So when Park came in, put America Most Wanted, that made him. he ain't made pop pop made him it wasn't deal with the dog pal jinn and juice no more was outlawed stug life so that's enough to get see you not a rap I'm not a rap but we know that we know that look on somebody face we you know that energy you know what I'm saying so you see any picture he did ever did with all three of him he wasn't happy that pop was under the arm he wasn't dead no more he traded on his own boy dr. Dre not to go with to um trade label he so he stayed there with with sure because he figured that was his home that was his house so okay sorry um i was going to say the uh you know the memoir that would and we'll get to the memoir in a minute you know it talks about like uh it talks about Sean Colmes doing you know being with multiple producers, executives, you know, different people. Is that something that you had heard about in the industry before you actually saw the memoir? Back in 92, 97, when Wendy Williams is on Hot 97, Wendy Williams is to always call me, call up.

And Wendy Williams is like this. The gay rapper from New York, gay rapper from New York. That's all she kept saying. I seen Puffy on the beach, him and Mace. The gay rapper was New York, all this. and she chose to call me because I was back then I still wasn't scared to open my mouth

so I've been heard that he was like you understand him Russell Simmons Andre Harrell um and more you know his perfect biggest thing was

he liked to see men do things for money you know what I'm saying he called that's weak the power so he was he was the director if he ain't sit on puffy lap you didn't move to the next

it wasn't action he was cut so yes it's always been said that was that's what it was you know that he was the gay rap or the gay

what about what about the the violence um violence I never be honest I know the violence I heard was from people like one time

nods this something was probably been with um pop they jumped his manager in a um somewhere it broke his jar um smith and weston piece out to them too they came over to new york did so with them did the same thing jumped them caused them to have to move change their name from smith or western to something another name he found his way you know even with um j z you know he i guess he saw jZ it's coming up there that'd have been his um competition you understand jZ i never had problem jZ been cool since he's been he's been cool since he's staunch he was coming he's with black rob i mean not black rob big l he's hearing with the rapper name big l from the cowboy

boots he used to wear to his triple fat goose um he used to wear you know jz was cool he's still cool today with me you know i don't see what anybody say about jz because i'm not life surgery. You know, this is not a, this memoir wasn't given to me to make money or to

gain money. And I want to say something to the, to the Colne's family. I do have respect for them. I have respect for it. That's why his mother face wasn't on the, shouldn't have been on the front cover of the book. You know, but the book is

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