Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - I Was Sentenced To 130 Years By Mistake!

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

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You got a black man, his death has been labeled a suicide when everything shows you it's not. It's kicked to the side because, you know, who the suspect is and who her family is. I got a can't. He's still locked up right now with 130 years. The same sentence that I used to have. And he's innocent. I've been a hustler before I knew what a hustler was. You know what I mean?

In elementary school, I'm selling candy bars. I'm going to the store, getting nine letters and starbursts breaking the pack down before I knew what was? Right. I mean, telling peace is coming back for more money. Junior high school, I kind of began to elevate my hustle mentality

and my first distractions of the streets. A certain guy I knew sold drugs. You can't at school fly. I can't chew him with a proposition. I took my candy money. You know what I said? Hey, look, man, I give you 200.

You know what I mean? You go do what you do? And we split the profit. But he was like, cool. He went to deal what he did. And I began to trinkle down the path of, like, more negativity with my hustle mindset. You feel what I'm saying? That mindset led to me getting active in that world.

At a young age, it was, I didn't have a long career at a young age, but I got activated at a young age in that field. But the lifestyle I was living, you know, I'm playing sports. Right. You know, I'm a good kid, basically. I'm not in the streets, so it didn't really fit me. I wasn't going to nobody hood to post up or anything like that. So I switched my hustle to marijuana.

How does this progress? So your, my mind frame is morphin, right? Manifestation is real. I'm thinking about, you know, so-and-so that pushed to work and got the nice whip. I'm thinking about so-and-so that indeed so-and-so in the streets and people look at him a certain way. This is what revolving around my mindset. So I start to become that. Start to become that. As I start getting in the field, you know, getting my money or whatnot, I got to protect my money. You know what I mean? So I kind of had something to protect my money.

Right. I just began, man, to slowly to slowly morph into somebody that's not me. Right. I don't glorify that lifestyle. And it's crazy because the lifestyle is so glorified that I feel like subconsciously, it does cause me to move and say and be a certain way for the perception. But we shouldn't applaud it. But because the masses applaud it's like it's still hit your core or some kind of way, right? I got to move with this thing now. Guys can't think you're sweet. I might not even use it. Who knows? But you need to know that I got it. Everybody else has one. And you need to think that I will use it. Right. So I'm being a certain character. My clay is being molded. With the figure that I'm creating, the image I'm creating,

and what my destiny is all about. You feel me? But at the time, that's what it is. So boom, I catch a gun case. I go to the feds. How do you catch a gun case? How does that happen? You get pulled over, you know.

Okay, so bam. And it's crazy because this certain side of town that I had my biggest collision with, at the time I catch my gun case, that's where I'm with. But everything was good. Right. You know what I'm saying? They had already did some activities later in the day that I didn't know about. It's like a robbery or they had an issue with somebody else?

You know, they got opposition in the streets, you know, different rival neighborhoods. from certain situations and it'd be on site. So there's some beef. It was a sport. It was a sport. That's the other team. Let me take a shot. See if I scored.

That's what it was, for real. But they was having their sport later in the daytime. And I'm not knowing they've been hooping earlier. And they come pick me up. And it's just natural to ride with the thing. Right. Right. So I hop in a car, you know, with the thing.

We're riding by a popular gas station. Amico, third finance. It was like the strip back in the day. And I heard somebody say, like the police, something about the police. So we turned into the lot. Turn into the lot. Park at a gas pump. Everybody get out.

I got my fire on me. The police ain't made it into the lot yet. So I'm so, it's a Glock, man. Oh, my God, it was so pretty. I was so in love with this gun that when I go in the store. I knew the dude that worked there. When I go in the store, I don't even say like, okay, put it behind the chips or whatever and just be cool.

I'm like, look, they didn't see me get out the car. I'm cool. I'm keeping my thing on me. When they move around and I move around. I'm in the store. The cop come inside the store. He say, hey, you, number five, I had on the Fulbu journey. Right.

It's how long ago it was. He said, step outside real quick. So I step outside that, you know, they're looking at the car. I'm like, I wasn't in that car. had called my can't folk like hey pull up no right this was going on so when they pulled me out the store by that time she had pulled it up i'm like i'm not in that car i said this my ride over here right but they still kind of keep me to the sidewalk and they're looking into the call i got out the car so fast i had a blunt in the door handle or the passenger door handle to where i didn't take it with me

when i went to store right so when they're doing this with the flashlight they see the blunt yeah That's probable cause to search who they believe was in his vehicle. So they started patting down the guy, you know, to the left of me. And the guy that was in between us and when they was doing that, the whole time, I was getting already ready to, you know what I mean. I took flight, bam, okay. You know what I mean? I take flight, bam.

My cousin, I see her eyes in my side view. She's like, oh, my God. So they're behind me, right? and why they behind me the whole time I'm reaching because I know I got to get this thing off me. Get rid of it, yeah. I got to get it off me, but I ain't going to expose it, but I'm getting it ready.

So as soon as I hit a blind spot, I can do what I got to do. I don't run across the street behind a store across another street behind a bank, and I just can't get that pathway to, you know, do my thing. So at the last minute, I turned a corner behind the bank and I throw it. I don't know if they see me, if they didn't see me.

You know what I mean? But I throw it. Boom. It's like a bush, but it's a kind. treat bush by this it's a push on top of concrete, you know, by the side of a store. And I throw it across another street by Burry King and they just tackle me.

They tackled the shit out of me. And I'm thinking I'm cool. They did a scan of the perimeter, found a gun, defaced firearm. And I did a fair time for that. 46 months in the fed. Because you're a felon. Yeah. Because you're a felon

possession of firearm. Exactly. 46 months. Yeah. So listen, this is where you're serious at. And I do my fed time. My younger brother gets caught up in a sticky situation, one that I'm not going to speak on at all. I'm not going to speak on it,

not to deny the viewers of this core substance, but I've been home four years now, right? I came home with a book, a book series. doing podcast, pumping my story. And throughout pumping my story, without it being my intent, I have harmed so many people because through sharing my story,

I'm sharing events that people have grieved through. Okay, right? But I have been part of these events. So I'm sharing my experiences, but me sharing my experiences is grieving you again, right? and I come to the point to, man, to where I value relationships more than advertisement.

Right. Right. So I'm going to move forward with my story respectful enough, like respect to the max, enough to where me sharing it don't cause you tears or emotional whatever. Okay. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah.

So that's fine. I ain't going to share the details of that. But he got a situation to where, hey, he's kind of like a target. Right. We know a certain, you know, area guys want to get action, you know, with him. When I'm going, during my time, he's going doing this time. We come home approximately the same time I came home two months before he did. So when he come home, let me not go too far.

His story is about bro. Right. So let me dive a little deeper into bro. Bro is, man, stand-up dude, ginger dude, funny dude. You know what I mean? How you cracking up? At the same time, he only isn't messing with it.

You know that, hey, this ain't a dude to try like that. Music, he's a beast. He's the reason that I even, like, experimented with music. You know, I'm seeing that as bro's outlet to being, his bell self one day. You know, so stepping into the lane for him, I end up picking up a craft of my own,

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Activities is going on. So it's like we move and chasing this dream with one foot. but the other foot is like still being tugged into the streets. We don't want it to be there, but it's like we got to be ready to plant our foot because we know that it is there, right? Me and bro, we end up putting out our first city together. DB and Ra Ra, Talk of the Streets. I mean, this was a huge accomplishment.

When I tell you, huge accomplishment, it's like we was them guys, man, you know. I remember when I went and picked up the CDs, you know, you know, boxes of them and when I got back to the crib called Bro Outside. I mean, we sliced them things over, man, and just seeing ourselves, you know, on the cases of these CDs, it's like, man, we're the best product out here, right? So we in the streets all day, you know, celebrating, you know,

selling our CDs prematurely. So what do you mean prematurely? Because the release. date for the CEs, it wasn't that we just received them in the mail. Right. But we had already advertised the release date, I believe, was July 7th, 2007, 2007. But we have received them on June 28th, right? Yeah.

So we still got some time to actually release them. But we got them. So we just in the streets and like, you know, doing our thing, right? Yeah. Let me tell you about this day. This is like how you know there's something up there, man, that really be like pulling the strange foot we go on down here. We don't know what's going to happen the next day.

But this day, we get to see these early. We in traffic. As soon as we get in traffic, my bro, DB, he see, like, his high school sweetheart. Like, at that time, if there's the most important woman in his life, even though they weren't together, it was a certain woman, right? And we've seen her randomly, right? tried to get her to buy the CD and she said she didn't have no money right whatever but we seen her oh we pulled off from her we see moms you know me and bro same mom uh it was special i say because

you know we was moving and grooving in the street so much to where it's like we would see her separately she might stop by the house one of us is there or whatever or we might stop by her house but we're not together uh but we did see her together but it was more so plain You know what I mean? Like, hey, bro, just go check her mom. This day was randomly, right? We driving out of the street. We see moms.

You know, we flashed CDs on her or whatever. We pulled over, she had a daycare. We pull over to her daycare. You know, we get rid of CDs, tell her to put them up. You know what I mean? This one, listen to, this one put up for like a souvenir. And we know, we tell her, bro did most of the, you know, talking to her, like, hey, we're going to make you rich, you know what I mean?

Like, like, mom, you ain't kind of worry about nothing, right? Right. Boom. We pull off from my house. I don't know. I don't remember which order, but we see my dad. He and Bro got a different dad.

We see my dad. He had a car watch. It was so funny. He had two girls watching this car. And he was kind of like trying to flex about it or whatnot. We see pops. Uh-huh.

You know what I mean? I ain't gonna lie. We sold pops a CD. Pops bought a CD. After we see my pops. We see his pops. Like literally like, Two blocks apart.

Car wash here, Daly's liquor store here. We sell his pops of CD. You know what I mean? We get in traffic, the number one guy that his activities with. We see him.

I've got to stop light. Yeah, sell him a CD. Bro said, hey, nigga, do you want to buy one of these? Me and sauce in the car row. We pull out. Of course, you don't buy one. We pull off.

Bam. Next day. I got a contract with the CD store. It's homers. It's like a regional. I think that regional. They might be a CD store. I got a contract with them for them to sell the music.

I get up early in the morning, grab some products, some CDs to take to their store. So the street I live on, it's like a dead end, L-shaped intersection at the end. I pull off I hit the L of the intersection and as I'm pulling up to the actual intersection

I'm supposed to turn left so I can go drop off these CDs to this store but I get a phone call for my sister she calm as I am too because what she's about to say is some bullshit she said

bro she said get over to bro house come out oh old girl just called talking about he's trying to hang yourself I say, what? Man, what? Is you bullshit or what?

No, I don't know what she just told me. All right, I'm going to call her. Some bullshit. I know it's some bullshit. Before I could call the girl, who is the girl? It's supposed to be a girlfriend. Okay. At the time.

My mom is calling me. My mom is crying. She's distraught. This ain't no calm energy. said, I'm going to get over to the house like Tyrese, Tyrese. Like, what the fuck?

Like now, hold on. My emotion's getting stirred. This shit's seeming too real. I hang up with her. I called a girl. Hey, what's going on over there? Tyrese is trying to hang himself.

My sister said trying. I don't know if I skipped that. Yeah, no, you said, right. Okay, but now the girl is saying he's trying to hang itself like this word, trying.

What the fuck? fuck do you mean he's trying it's not an emergency then bitch i'm sorry go stop him right right so she's talking about he's trying i hang up on her i called i called a i called a 911 i was just thinking why don't you call him the police because this shit ain't real if if not you but if physically her if she can't stop a grown man then why aren't you calling the police yes and we're gonna get into that okay right so bam i hang up on her i call 911 get over to such such address you know some emergency going on. My saying it just

don't even feel right, sound right. Like this shit just ain't making sense. I'm with my guy at the time. My guy, Jojo, he was driving. I'm like, I'm smacking a dash. I'm like, nigga, drive, you know what I mean? He's gone, boom. We pulled up to the house.

Same time the ambulance did. And it's so pissed me off so much. We pull up. They get out the thing, all casual and like having side talking. And what the fuck? It's an emergency here. I've rushed a boom.

Like, hey, man. get in the house, like for real. Right. So boom. I followed them in the house. When I get in the house, I see moms, man. Moms is like sliding down the wall. Like one of them scary movie kind of vibes, you know,

horrific type shit. She's sliding down the wall like crying. In my mind, why is she doing that? Right. This shit ain't real. Man, chill out. You know this can't happen to us. Bam.

I started going down the stairs I see bro bro laying there like he's sleep I'm halfway down the stairs he's like at the bottom of the stairs off to the left a little bit he landed like he's sleep

it was peaceful it didn't feel traumatic like he's going to wake up but I see him as a couple of my guys that was around my sister they was closer they got there before me

and you know everybody's in the same energy like, man, like, it ain't a good vibe. But the girl, it's supposed to be your boyfriend. You ain't up close, grieving on the ground crying? She's in the cut. Like this covered, like more so watching people. I don't see the emotion in her face, right? But so much is going on to where that ain't my focal point.

My focal point is bro. They get a pulse on bro. First, you didn't have a post. They get a post on bro. Man, my guy, Sauce would go outside. We need to drive what. And sauce like, sauce like,

hey, we got to start kicking it with DB more, man, when he, when he come out the hospital. I said, nigger, we fucking DB up when he get out of the hospital. And I ain't going to say it, like, too aggressively because bro had them hands. And for real, he was a little brother,

but he was bigger than me. We ain't never had no kind of clash like that. But, hey, if I was victorious, if he was not my brother, it wouldn't be an easy time. Bro, it's like that. You know what I mean? So I ain't saying like we was gonna fuck bro up like that.

Right. But because of what's going on, what I didn't heard, nigger, you gotta whoop me then. Because I'm gonna be about to see about you. You did this? That's the only reality I had to tap into at the time was he tried to do this to itself. So we get to the hospital.

They got them on the machine and all of that. Oh, we are like taking turns to go to the back to see him, you know, because it's a lot of us and, you know, whatever. So at this time, my sister is back there seeing them. My sister comes from the back and tell me, like, hey, come here. You got to see this. I'm like, what? She's like, come here.

She got the serious vibe about her. We go back there. She pulled his sheets off of him. His knees scarred up. Please remind me to send you the pictures. This ain't just talk. His knees scarred up. His shins, one of his shins is scraped.

To me, I say, man, like he'd been droids down the stairs, that's the first thought to come to me. You know what I mean? He was found in the basement, too. His hands, like blood splatter on the backside of his fingers and on his fingernails and up under his nails, bro is getting down with somebody. Right.

It's ain't no, goddamn me. I already knew that, though. I just needed to hear it. I needed to see the outlet for something else so that I can really grasp onto it. So, bam, I'm going to fast forward just a little bit. Some more clues. Not only the wounds he had on him,

but it came to be that the woman who was there when he was allegedly hanging himself, when they asked her what occurred, like not take her in for questioning for interrogation but he was at the house like just tell us what occurred. Right. You're not a suspect. She lies about her name.

Okay, so if your boyfriend just honged yourself, what, what goddamn he triggers you to lie about your name? Bam, we see the wounds on bro at the hospital we take the girl phone. She's there playing a row. We take the girl phone.

her call on before she called my mom or my sister. Now, listen, I don't remember the exact order of this, but it was she placed a private phone call, like Preston Star 6,7, and she also received a private phone call. Okay, before one of those private phone calls, I mean, before ever calling my sister or making her reach out to the family of police,

before that phone call, one of her private calls took place. All right? Right. She got the private phone call or made it or received it. I don't know which way. And then she made the call to my sister. Then she made the call to my mom. I'm looking at her call log, all right?

Next on her call log is me calling her, all right? After that call, there was another private call, and then there was 911. Okay. Why you got room for all of these extra phone calls, Anyway, if this is an emergency. On top of that, what's up with the private phone calls? Why are you pressing star six, seven?

Right. Your boyfriend laying down here supposed to be lifeless, and you mean to tell me you get on your phone and press star six, seven. And who are those going to? Never found out. Okay. Fast forward to my trial. They did all their research, all their detective work.

You know what I mean? Who the phone calls was going to? Don't know who the phone calls. went to when this I'm gonna get too far ahead we'll be going backtrack they don't know who to who the phone calls is is is tied to when this white woman is caught up in her situation okay and the and the result is death but fast forward when the result ain't death, but the result is this white woman was wounded. And listen, dude, I ain't nothing about me racist, but I see the racism in this situation, right?

Black guy die, white woman suspect. You don't know who the cause is to. White woman harmed, survived. You find out who every call is to. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Her dad was best friends with a homicide detective. All right, but I went too far.

Now, let's back it up. Okay. So your brother, he's still in the hospital. Right. You've got her phone. Did you guys ever, did you ask her who are these going to? So listen, I ain't going to lie to you. I told you earlier in my interview, the streets that kind of warped me.

And I'm not that guy. I'm not that I'm not that you see me run and be scared. Like, I'm, that's not my energy, right? But, I mean, even a coward to do the most treacherous type of shit. So it don't matter what you are at your core. I guess people knew that I would do certain things if it pushed to the limit. And the situation came that pushed me to the limit. I was my scariest then.

People were scared to talk to me, right? Back up. Hospital. Boom. We see what's going on. We see that this ain't no suicide. And my thug mentality, in my thug mentality,

and my wannabe Superman mentality, but Superman to my culture didn't always mean doing something good, right? But my people was gonna be good when I did what I did. I said, man, I'm about to, it's evident, it's in my face, I'm about this. I got to, you know what I mean?

What they say, if you catch your spouse cheating or something, they can say that it's, Oh, yeah, it's a crime of passion. Crime of fashion. So you're overwhelmed at the moment. I was about to have me a crime of passion at the hospital. Right. Like, for real.

So I hollet my guy, Sauce, my aunt, Kapposi. You know what I mean? I tell him what it was about to go down. And, you know, sauce had it at this, ain't no crime take place with this situation. So you know what I can speak on that. I get that this ain't. And I go upstairs. Why to be Superman?

the girl's gone. My auntie told the girl, like, you need to get her out of here. She's the church woman. You know, she, whatever. She felt the vibe. Nobody told her.

Yeah, yeah. She just knew things were going bad. You guys had the phone. Yeah. You could sense it. Intuition. You feel something. Something's about the...

She felt something. I mean, I get off the elevator. It's like my soul is escalating at the time, right? Because I know soon as the elevator open, I don't know if it's right there on the spot. I don't know what it looked like, but I know that upon contact with this woman who stole my brother from me,

I'm about to do her in. Gender don't matter. Like I said in another podcast, when they come to taking the love when gender don't matter. So I get up this elevator like I'm about to do her in. She's gone. Hold up. Let me say this right now.

Because after other interviews and stuff like that, I tell myself, be conscious of the message you're spreading. Come on, man. Ain't no glorification. And I got to mean that when I say that ain't no glorification on the act committed, right? That's the background of this story. The forefront of this story is you've got a black man who has been, his death has been labeled aside when everything shows you it's not.

And it's like it's kicked to the side because, you know, who the suspect is and who her family is. You know what I mean? And also the forefront of this story is I got a canfo. We're going to get off into it that's locked up right now with the same sentence I had. And he's innocent. These are the forefront topics. What I did ain't no gangster shit. I let a woman survive.

Okay. So what happens after you get up there, she's not there. You try and look for her. You guys, what did they, is there a detective? Does the cops come at all? Do they do any investigations? Oh, yes. So I might ramble a little bit.

The doctors told us he didn't hang himself. There is no internal neck trauma. There is no trauma to the neck. Right. He didn't hang himself. The police, yeah, we talked to the cops, understand me? The police told us, the girl, I ain't going to say her last name because I don't know how much leeway I got. But they say the blank girl has been known about other situations, whatever, with boyfriends or whatnot.

So I believe this may be before, I don't know if it's before or after, man, my mind is all over the place. But, you know, when I wanted to, you know, confront her or whatnot, like get off the elevator, man, she's nowhere in sight. Now, we're just like in limbo mode, right? And while we're in limbo mode, he's on a machine. So can he snap back or can he not? Right. It's in the air. the doctors came out and said that he had been his brain had been too long without oxygen right

and the damage sustained was irreversible man you don't even understand the place I went to like I disappeared shriveled up melted down I poured into a hole and it was dark and I was just there for minute. I remember sitting in the car that night. A guy was at the hospital when my bro was going through that transitioning phase. And I remember he asked me if I wanted a drink, so he has a drink in the car. And I was like, no, man, cool. I got on the elevator. For something I got on the elevator, I said, fuck that. I tell, I do it in the drink. I said, yeah, let me get that. Boom. Go downstairs to the car. I'm sitting in the driver's seat of his car. my girlfriend

my baby mom shit was complicated my baby mom was in the passenger seat and uh remember I always started I was drinking and I just start praying out loud in an angry fashion

talking to God you know very angrily pose myself real quick because I just remember that feeling I'm talking to God very angrily Like, God, how? Like, whatever. Like, give me whatever in my path next, man.

Just don't do this. Just don't do this right here. And he did it. Hey, this is crazy. I thought I was past the emotional stage. Man, this shit crazy. I remember getting mad, praying, but in the angry way. And ask him to change it.

And told them I'll take on whatever. If you change it, it's stuck. And that's when I got stuck. Like I said, man, I ain't no bad dude or nothing. But I got to get it together, though. I'm tripping. You want to take a break? No, I'm cool.

We're going to keep rolling. You say, men can cry. Shit. But I get stuck, though. And it's just whatever. It's just whatever. Anybody with everybody. And we had a problem from an office in kindergarten.

They didn't matter. But there was a certain section that was kind of in the leeway of that activity, man, due to the, you know, sticky situation that bro was caught in before. So we kind of had, you know, numerous clashes with the same people. But, you know, it was so many stories, man, in the streets. What could have took place, you know, this from that. And, you know, they had a problem about. you know, this situation and the girl dad didn't like him because of, you know, this or whatever.

And then stuff I haven't heard from the neighbors. Like, I got so many different stories, man. Everybody that had a bone to pick aren't guilty. And I came to one conclusion that one person that is guilty is the woman that was there. Right. You know what I mean? And I really hate that part of my story that I believe, I think my most, you know,

egregious act was like against a woman. You know, I don't like that. But like I said, man, that you can't get a pass, though. Shit, you didn't flip-flop my whole, you didn't flip-flop my whole motherfucking life, my family life, like, you can't get no past. shit so

after my random aggression phase ended it was just like hey listen gotta get back on track you know I mean and whatever life

bring you to it bring you to and it just so happened that a situation dropped on my lap that I felt like could remedy you know all the pain

and and grief that I have been going through, then my mama had been going through, that my kids have been going through, then my sisters have been going through. By the gym, I get a file call. Can folk got her. Like, not I see her.

Hey, she's over by such and such. Right. Man, this dude called me, saying, hey, right? Hey, so listen, Kenfolk got her. So I'm in the gym. I'm like, fuck. the fuck just happened.

I'm walking back and forth, right, on the phone. And they got the footage, like, you'll see this. I'm walking back and forth on the phone. Like, I'm just in shock, like, what? And then I'm on the way. That's it. So, bam. You know, I'm trying to find a spot, you know,

to do my desired plan at, and it was kind of dropped on me. It wasn't just like I just know the spot. So while I was trying to find a spot, my can't fuck. Now I'm leading into how you got an innocent man locked up, how they got an innocent man locked up. I get a call from my can't fog, man. And he tells me like, man, pull up.

He's like, pull up on me. So it's my can't fuck sauce. He's still locked up right now with 130 years, the same sentence that I used to have. I pulled up on him, and he's like, hey, man. He's like, hey, he's like, hey, leave that. That shit, leave that shit alone. It's a no-go.

You know what I mean? He told me what's going on. So when Reilly, kidnapper, who's sauce his brother, he kidnaps her. He had a couple female cousins with him when he did it. And those two female cousins end up taking the girl car using her credit cards at, like, gas stations and McDonald's and shit, right? Okay. So they, they left a paper trail before anything. even happened, right?

So Sons got, he got this information, however he got it. And he called me, when I pulled up on him, he was like, hey, man, like, it ain't no good, right? So, mind you again, man, I ain't no dark dude, I ain't no horrific dude. Ain't nobody scared when I walk in the room, but

in that situation, you know, that's just the energy I was in. Oh, uh, I'm hearing what he's saying. and it's sinking in, but that other energy ain't fully asleep. My logic is trying to click in, like, leave that alone.

And that's what I say. I said, I said, I, I, but I still need to talk to her. I need some answers. I need to talk to her. So sauce like, now prior to going with sauce, I already got my mind on what I'm going to do I'm going to try to bridge through it because again this is not the forefront

I get a little kit together right? Because I might just do a crime that I don't want to be identified for it. Bam, when I get sauce, I already got the kit and sauce is talking me out of doing what I got my mind on done.

Like I said, it makes sense so I've regressed but I need to talk to her though. This day ain't happened without me having a conversation at least, right? So I'll pull up where I had where I told Kenfolk to, you know, bring her to and I get there before him and I'm in my mind. I'm like, I'm a, all right, man, I'm a talk to her. I'll probably yell at it. I'm like, slap her.

I don't know. But I'm going to talk to her though. But while I'm sitting waiting, man, I call it weakness, whatever you want to call it. I don't know. I gave in. I said, man, fuck that. I'm having the flashbacks of the damage she didn't cause to my life. I ain't about to let this moment pass.

I'll be all right. You know what I mean? I ain't the bad guy. This can't be it. I'm the good guy. I'm about to say today. So I get together, you know. So when he pull up, I can do my thing.

You know, so I was trying to talk me all of it, whatever. he but he can't out of come i got tunnel vision he can't stop me dude pull up with her bam situation take place we're gonna leave in at that boom i got on a dread wig i got on a a beanie cap pull it down with the holes you know like a makeshift mask i got on a dread wig though i'm disguising my identity i got a little black outfit sauce it got dreary For real. The girl know me like she knows sauce. Like, it's DB, sauce, and rah-rah.

Her, in shock mind, she's a short dude, a stocky dude. With dreads coming out is mad, she thinks it's sauce. Right. When a situation take place, she says, sauce, you ain't got to do this. Man, situation takes place. Later on that night, I'm at the crib. Me and my sister live together. Shout out to love it.

My older sister. It's late. Three or four in the morning. You know, my mind is somewhere else, right? Because I know what just took place. But I'm being to myself. I'm at the laptop. Got this beat playing, making up a song,

talking about what my day has been like, but not too blatantly. Sister won't go to sleep. She won't go to sleep at all. She's walking back and forth from her room to the dining room to the living room. It's three, four in the morning. Like, why are you up for? Smoking a cigarette.

Smashing into a Pepsi can. Ain't saying nothing to me. But she just, like, won't go to sleep. Energy. Energy. She knew something, man. Oh, remember she went to the window. The front room window.

Front room window. She turned around Like it wasn't a big deal Police outside I said what My shit beating So bam I go over there

I look out police outside They got the shit flooded Kind of like walk away I don't know if I'm thinking what I'm doing But I'll just like walk away But it didn't take long at all I had to step in the front Walked away, walked back to the door

And I act, man, it is what it is. I ain't shit. I don't know how the fuck they know. You know what I mean? But it is what it is. I did what I was supposed to do. I opened up the front door, bam. Step outside.

You know, they're like, put your hands up, all that. I put my hands up. You know, I turn around, you know, I walk backwards, do all that kind of stuff like that. They got every light in America on me. They cuff me. fit me in the car I had an escalate at the time

so remember the escalade maroon escalade it was said that a maroon escalade you know such and such so boom it put me in the back of the cop car they go search the house nieces and nephews outside crying

this happened to them twice man that's so fucked up but this was the first time I happened to them police go in and come out out, you know, I see them lingering in the street or whatever, and they come to the car I'm at, open up the back door,

pull me out, and take my cuffs off. I'm like, what the fuck is going on right now? But I'm not going to say it, you know what I mean? He was fucking supposed to say. I'm just like, oh my God, like, for real, okay. Like, yeah, keep on going. I didn't want to run. You know what I mean?

But they're taking the cuffs off. Oh. And they say, do I know, Jamar, Abram. Sauce. Right. He's wanted for attempted murder. So first of all, I'm thinking, like, what the fuck do you mean? Attempted.

Right. And again, man, no, that shit ain't good. I'm happy that it didn't go through. But in the moment, I'm like, attempted. I know what I did. I just said over with. But they're saying attempted though. I'm just puzzled.

Like the world is moving. Like I'm fucked up. They pull off. I'm in the middle of the street, just standing there. Like how I'm gonna call my can for it right now? The guy that was trying to talk me out of it. Right. Is wanted for it.

Right. I didn't listen when he tried to stop me. And now you got the bad end of the stick. I'm supposed to call him right now. Right. But it was kind of like one of them situations when, I'm going to just keep it solid. You're probably getting a fight or something.

And you don't think you're going to get the best because you know what I mean? But you still got to go, though. Still got to go, though. So I was faced with a challenge, and I had to go. I called him. Like, hey, Ken, folk.

I'm talking the third person. I said, man, they're looking for sauce right now. I must have attempted murder shit. You know, he gets to being excited. You know what I mean? Talking real fast. He's just talking. The words ain't even coming out.

Right. You know what I mean? But I feel the energy though. I'm like, man, listen, man, listen. I don't even worry about it. You already don't worry about it. You're good. Calm down a little bit, but he's still.

frazzled. I escalade. That's what brought them to where I was at. So unbeknown to me at the time, the girl survived. Right. So that's where the car description

come in at. So that's how they come to my residence, but she said sauce. Yeah. So that's why I'm going to let go, right? Yeah. But they take the vehicle, though.

I step up sauce like when I'm posed to you know I mean I'll take him down to Kansas City and hey man listen man you know whatever I get I did a stand-up guy type of thing gave him something substantial you know what I mean be good you know I mean stay out of the way my guy I take him down to KC from KC he fly down to Atlanta Georgia and he ended up getting caught in Atlanta got calling his birthday is crazy you call in Atlanta so he's the first of you

call but who kidnapped her he is a family member that wasn't like part of our daily circle so he's not identified I'm in the clear sauce is allegedly the shooter

what they say in the case they end up trying to say that I was the mastermind that I manipulated the situation I told him hey you do this and told him, hey, you know what I mean? Not true, though.

Yeah, you got caught in Georgia? SOS got caught in Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah. Strange situation, how he got caught so fast. He got caught. I'm still in the good, though. Sauce was being caught like eight months or something.

Eight months later? No, he got caught like fucking a week later. Oh, okay. But I'm saying before the climate shifts into making my world gloomy, it's about eight months later. So in the midst of those eight months, my other camp folk who kidnapped her, he was identified. So they didn't show, you know, the victim, you know, so many mugshots of whoever they could think of

and they even came across his. She's like, that's the guy that snatched me. Oh. Now he's in the mix. I'm going to lead into this situation with my chin up and my chest out. Kenfolk folded on it, right? But I don't, I do care,

especially when I was going through it, but that's my can't fold. I still leveled. Right. I mean I don't want to stand up here and speak on that from the wrong angle

like I'm staying in them or whatever right this just the facts that occur uh Ken folk is facing that life sins for

kidnapping man that's when my climate changed Ken folks right search for them what they want them to do He couldn't swallow that elbow It was like 8 times a time

Whatever so you know Listen man I don't like the results but that's my camp phone So while I'm going through my My journey of Of being the bad version of myself And how I switched to get back more stable And tap into who I really am

One thing that occurred was I was in a park with a woman And we was smoking, sipping, talking about our problems, and just kind of consoling each other. Are we sitting here in the car in the parking lot? It's crazy how it happened. I'm looking down the parking lot, and I see like this white dude, it looked like his chain swinging. I'd see the bling coming off of it in the section down there. And I started asking, I'm like, damn, was that to cops?

And while I'm asking myself, this is the cops. I hear, boom, boom, bump, bump, on the vasseter window. I look over, there's the cops. I got a, you know, on my little, whatever I'm rolling up on, and we got a bottle in the car. And long story, short, I'm on federal papers. Right.

Mind you, I did the 46 months, right? I'm on federal papers at the time. So now I'm supposed to be at the end. of my bad guy self, right? But now I'm kind of start not being so positive. I think I'm going to violate. I'm going back to the joint. You know what I mean?

Anyway, I have a hearing, a violation hearing. The judge ain't tripping by no little weed, dig it? He say, how you've been out this long and you ain't had a job in this long? Right. I say, I got a record label. I sell music. I earn a suitable living off of doing this. Well, he say, well, you need to provide proof of that.

So now I'm going back to promoters and CD stores and just whatever. I'm getting as much paperwork as I can to prove that I earned a living, you know, through this. Okay, I don't want to, I don't want to comment. or sway too far, but I got to include this. During this process, man, I, like, I switched from being, like, so gloomy, and I'm sorry, demonic, for real, because every problem that I had at the time, it's only one solution for. So, yeah, but how I switched to, I stopped seeing my situation like, I lost my brother. I lost this person, this physical being.

on earth. That hurt. That caused me pain and grief and tears. I had to switch my perception. I didn't lose nobody. I gained something. I got a teammate up there in heaven, a direct link.

You know what I mean? Like, hey, it's about to be up now. So boom. Shortly after adopting that concept, small unique situation when I'm going to court right to for the violation I got to gather my my evidence to show that I've been making a living I had to go down to Kansas City Missouri there's a story named seventh heaven that was selling our music and on the way down there it was like I was borderline and being late before they closed so I'm on the interstate kind of like rushing

this when I began to realize I got a teammate in heaven man it's crazy I'm down, I'm an interstate rushing. Boom. I'm in the left lane. Car in front of me just moving slow, moving parallel with the car next to it and like, holding me up, right? It was happening so much I got frustrated to where I said, I said, hey, bro, man, make this car move. I'm just bullshit.

I said, hey, bro, make this car move. So on as the word move left from my mouth, the car move. That was crazy. That's a coincidence. Like, what the fuck just happened right now? there. So, I'm driving again. Now I'm kind of just talking. I'm laughing and shit. Like, man, what the fuck? That shit was crazy. It happened again. I'm jammed up. Can't get around somebody running late. Hey, bro, make this car move. You know? Not during the word move before the word move. So as I

finished the word move, the car moving. Hold up, man. Am I tripping? People in the car with me. I start waking them up. I said, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. look at this shit, y'all. I said, look at this shit. I'm laughing. I'm feeling good. I get myself jammed up on purpose, right? Jammed up, can't get around somebody. I ain't going to say nothing. Like, hey, y'all, watch this in a minute. I play with him a little bit. And I say, hey, bro, make this car move. Damn. The motherfucker move. So anyway, man, so simple of a situation. I just got to say, man, it was just a sign and assemble for me that I began to see repetitively

that like, hey man, I ain't lost my bro. I did not lose my bro. I got a bro on a higher realm of life that I can holler at and call on for guidance and whatever, you know, whenever I need to. And I said, I got a teammate in heaven. So yeah.

Leading into the school situation, the judge said, when I bring the evidence back, the judge say, okay, again, little Mr. Minter Wee ticket, we didn't even get a ticket for alcohol. A little Mr. Miner Wee ticket, Judge, like, he ain't tripping. Okay, that's fine.

Income is what I'm concerned about. Okay, now you have two options. If you want to earn your living through a business, that you need to actually get certified in school, get a degree, something to further what you're trying to do, but you can't just sit around. So you can either go get a job or you can, you know, go to school for, you know, what you want to do.

so I don't want to work. So boom, you know, I go to school or whatnot. So like I was saying, on April 1st, it was a unique day, a peculiar day. I'm in college. The teacher of my business class asked me would I participate in kind of like this, like a podcast. You know, something about the education

world in our community or something, our culture. She picked me out the class of the entire class. Bam. I said, okay. I'm supposed to work out this day. But the time of the podcast, like, overlap my workout time. So when I finished with, not a podcast.

It was, I mean, basically a podcast before a podcast became popular. So after I finished that with her, I'm supposed to be at the gym at that time, but it's already into my gym time, and it's too late. You know, I got guys out there working out already. Like, I missed it. So what I'm going to do,

I'm going to spend some extra time with my kids. You know, I kind of had a schedule of how I spent time with my kids. It was mostly on the weekends. I would get them. But, you know, throughout the week, I would also, you know, pop in or whatever. And now that I had a free evening, what better way to spend it than with my kids? I go to my Babe Maher house.

Now, this ties in, too. I spend every night at my crib. Me and my sister still live together. I spend every night in my, I got the basement, like my own little apartment, whatever. I spend every night in my crib. Like, that's just my comfort zone. As far as who I'm dealing with, they come to me. I don't stay at night nowhere.

This day. At Bay Mom House early because I missed the gym, chilling with the kids. I got comfortable, you know what I mean? ate something, you know, got fooled, and fuck it, I'm going to stay here tonight. In the morning.

April 1st, I get a phone call. I don't even process the date at the time, but I get a phone call. Then my sister, calm again. She's like She said the police just came by her looking for you I sit up in the bed

I said what My brain is scanning She for real she bullshit You know The situation didn't happen You know like Eight nine months ago or whatever And I've been in the clear

I got back to regular life She said the police Just came by her looking for you Sit up like I said Like, man, what the fuck? She didn't say April fools. I'm like, is you bullshiting? She's like, no.

So she hang up. I'm like stunned. I'm stunned. Now I'm like, no, this ain't for real. Because I've always felt at peace. Something about this circumstance. I never felt like I'm this bad dude. I'm doing some fucked up shit.

Like, I felt like, man, I was moving within like a positive, like, perimeter or something. I was just always at peace. So once you say the police looking for you, she hanged the phone. It can't, it ain't real. So now I've got to find the reason to make it not be real.

Like she's bullshit. I know she's just joking. Oh, it's April 1st. It's April 1st. It's April 1st. You got me. What the fuck? I call her back.

I'm forcing us to believe this shit. Yeah. I call her back. Say, hey, man. Man, why you bullshit? shit. Like, I'm about to make this shit be real. This version is real. I've got the laughing shit going on.

And I, she's like, she's like, I ain't bullshitting. She called the kids around the phone area. She said, hey, y'all, who just came looking for your uncle? The police? Boom.

Oh, shit. The motherfucking, what is called, the purge sounds. What's going off in my head? what the fuck shit real now if my mom could see it on me she was walking the room what's wrong

oh not that's no clue I forget how I told her when I told her but I ended up saying man she's talking about the poise came by the looking for me I'm saying it like that man that shit I don't even worry about that shit

so she must have started downloading it you know she know wasn't having you know months prior or whatnot, always kind of had to look in her eye, like, right, is something you want to tell me? But, you know, I don't give nobody no kind of communication about that. If you end up coming back out of the bathroom, kind of got emotional. Like, like, I'm like, listen, man, everything, cool.

Like, why you think they ain't said that in all this time, I'm good, you know what I mean? but I'm like, boom, I need you take me somewhere. Wait, do something. I go get a little, uh, a little vehicle I can move around in. Uh, boom, I separate with her from her job. You know, give her a kiss, give her a hug or whatever. Like everything, even though it wasn't like an item,

she was still my girl. I mean, uh, so, boom, I give her a little emotional connection, you know, kiss her. everything gonna be good and uh everything wasn't good man i want to got a lawyer so i'm like is it a low k warrant i go hire a lawyer uh steve leffner was like the was like the goddamn be johnny cochran if i'm a hard at the time i go hire steed lefner and you know he did he put his due diligence in or what not to find out is it an arrest warrant or a low k warrant man we're sitting in that motherfucker like a He came back in.

It's like, I'm sorry. It's in the restroom. That shit was like we was at a funeral. Out of wake. Not the funeral. It felt like we was at a wake when he said that shit. Oh, my God.

Now I'm in the underground world. We leave. You know, I got hoods on this shit, glasses on. Like, I'm moving like, motherfucking, not myself. Find a little spot to tuck off at or whatever.

And, yeah, I slipped into the, you know, the underwear. man and uh uh uh that lasted for like i say crime happened in in june end of june uh they came from me april first that shit lasted down their 10 months before since the crime date and actually looking for me so my owner run spree happens I was going to say, do you know why what the warrant is? Attempted murder.

Right. But I mean, no, I mean, at the time, do you know what it's for? Oh, hell yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't know if he just said, hey, there's a warrant. We don't know what it's for. No, it's for that shit. Okay.

For that shit. I stopped hustling and everything. So as the situation happened, so as that first night, when they put me in cuffs and took me out of cuffs. Right. And I killed Derry thing, because I just felt like any day.

But yeah, so from April 1st, I go on the run, leading up to a divine, oh, my God, the guy got his hands on the situation for sure. So while I'm on the run, if I get caught before a sauce trial, they will put us together. Right. And we'll have one trial.

If I get caught after Soss Trial, then he'll have his verdict and I'll have my verdict, but it'll be separate, right? So while Soss Trial is approaching, man, life is so heavy, dude, like, for real. I got to keep on saying this is not myself, but I was, like, warped into, like, another realm, man. I was warped. You know, the street's going to remember me some kind of way. I didn't have enough time to do the highest of the heights that I was supposed. to do, but I ain't about to leave this planet without leaving a mark. You know, and the outlets that I had was not really positive outlets when I was going

through that. Like I said, I was warped. When I saw it going through his trial, dark notions just start swirling around me. I remember such and such dude from this. Remember so-and-so never paid me. Remember so-and-so said this. You know what? The police some motherfucking crooked motherfucket motherfucket.

They're the reason I'm in this shit Because if they had to get their shit properly And handled shit the right way I will never react it Oh yeah I'm gonna put them on my list too I got a potter that used to rob banks It just seemed like a thrill

That I would never partake in But fuck it life over with anyway Let me put that on my list too If sauce lose this motherfucking trial Watch this Watch this watch this it's about to be a lot of shit going on

because if he lose trial and he didn't do it I'm done yeah but here's the thing is is that the police are looking to arrest you because they think you did it is that right well now

you just think you were there no so now at this point they they think the victim stated that sauce shot her right they think that he's the shooter but now I'm tied into it They're saying that I'm the mastermind. They said, I told Saust the shooter.

They said, I told dude, the kidnapper. I'm guilty, dude, conspiracy. One of the charges is conspiracy to murder. Okay, got it now. I was going to say, like, how are they looking for you for the attempted murder? When they're charging him with the attempted murder. It's like that this doesn't. Okay.

So now it makes more sense. Yeah, so my mind is warped, man. My mind is warred. That's how I know is heaven and hell. I believe it's not, I don't know what happened when you leave here, but I believe it's a state of mind, man. And I didn't experience hell on earth,

you know, and I've experienced heaven on earth. But situations like that make me really believe that, you know, heaven and hell does a state of mind. I'm in hell. But social is this trial, this is what's going on.

You know what I mean, I'm in my mom come to the house one day. So I had an on-the-run spot But it kind of began to get war out And I started bouncing around a little bit And I would end up in my sister house a lot They'd have been here three or four times looking for me They know I ain't there no more

I got comfortable It's been a long time since they've been over there I can, you know what I mean I'm in my sister house one day My mom came over I'm in the back I'm in my sister room I'm always hiding

even like I'm inside the house hidden from the world I'm in the house hide my sister room my mom came over I hear him out there talking but I ain't about to go

make no engagement she probably going to leave and I never knew I was here I ain't gonna let her know but my sister ended up telling her like Sean back there she came back there and I'm in that state man

I'm gonna what I'm a smile for I'm at the edge of the bed I mean shit heavy You know Head down Life on the motherfucking Time clock My expiration date

Coming soon No matter if it's death Or prison That energy is on me And but I could I was never the type of person That could really just Say

Extreme things The moms But I didn't want to lie or hide things either Remember she asked I said what's wrong. And I was like, I don't know what I said. I don't see. I don't want to tell her I got murder plans on my robbery plans

and cop retaliation plans and paint plan. I don't know. I'm about to leave a mark. When I'm gone, they're going to remember me. As distorted as that may sound. When I'm gone, they're gonna remember me. So mom asked me what's wrong? I was like nothing, but I was like,

let's talk lose this trial, though. Watch. And she's like, she could pick up what I'm saying, but she ain't, and she kind of probably filled me. I don't know. But she likes, like, boy, I don't you do nothing stupid. And I can't lie to her,

but I don't want to just straight go against her. I'm just like, all right, you know, man, sauce trial come up. I'm locked in, my guy. I might be forgot about. I think I was 28 at the time. I ain't done nothing major in life. I might be bawled up, threw away, and that's it.

It's decided. I'm going to get remembered. Saw his trial coming up I believe it was November 1st Mind you, if I get caught before his trial We'll have the same trial Right If I get caught after his trial

Guess what I'm gonna have a lot more charges Because I ain't bullshit If I even make it to the courtroom So how you know God is real His trial started one day Uh-huh I say you get arrested

like I got called later on that night. Oh, okay. God was not about to let me make it to being on the streets hearing a guilty verdict. Even in my times, that ain't so applaudable. I've had, you know, affirmation that God is there for me. I'm not being shot at this close.

Everyone missed. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, so I get caught during the trial. I get caught during the trial. Yeah. It's too late for them to add you to the... Yeah, they can't add me to his trial, but I did not have the opportunity

to go pull out these fantasies. That's crazy because it was fantasies. I used to meditate on them. I said, draw by certain spots. I already know how I'm going to do this one. Man, energy is real. When you feel yourself, when you feel yourself being sucked into a certain path,

man, you got to gain control. You got to gain control. and get yourself out of that path. How do they grab you? I'm at my sister house. Kind of got so comfortable. I'm in the dining room. I ain't even in the back hiding.

I'm in a dining room on a laptop. On Facebook. This one, Facebook, first got to really be popular. Sus, came to the goddamn dining room. Calm again. She's too calm. She's a gangster, for real, man. She don't even rattle her.

But she looked like, she's like, police outside. So I'm in the kind of like in the French, like, fuck what I'm gonna, like, you know, what I'm gonna do? So I'm kind of like going left, going right, but I ain't going nowhere because I don't know which way to go. And my kid folk was here, mezy, you know what I mean? Hey, hey, little, my little kid, folks, this all's brother, my little guy, man. He's like, hey, come upstairs.

Go upstairs. It's like an attic room. Attic is loaded with unorganized storage. When I say shit this way and that way, it's loaded too. So I must have found a tunnel. I don't know what the hell I didn't did. But I didn't got through that shit and got to the back and I'm behind some shit and it's a cover over the shit

and they ain't coming in here to find me. So somewhere along that time, you know, that time, you know, they let them in the house. I hear them downstairs, you know, going through shit, and, you know, they don't see nothing, of course. When they come upstairs, it's pitch black in this, like, attic storage type areas. It's one in the little hatched, little halfway hatch doors. I hear them, they pass it, heart beating, pitch black. Boom.

I hear when they go to the back, they don't find them. And they're coming back towards the stairs, but the hatchway door is right there at the top. of the stairs and should they stop they open it they come they come in I know they can't see me because I didn't I didn't look in here how they looking in here I know they can't see me but man I ain't gonna lie to you I ain't hold up to that pressure uh huh like I see all the beams I feel all the negative I feel the bullets before they're gonna hit I feel that shit pointed at me uh-huh and they said It's something like, you know, raise your hands, come out. They gave me like an ultimatum.

And you, God damn, and they got me on that ultimatum. I stood through the motherfuckinxia hands up so bad. I said, I'm right here, don't shoot. But first, okay, so, Ben, no, I threw my hands up. I don't shoot, don't shoot. Because I was already nervous when I was on the run. Like, the system is part of my brother's death. You know what I mean?

It's my belief. Like, they're going to probably, if they catch me, they're going to shoot me. They might shoot me if I ain't in the right area. and say I'm labeled or I'm the dangerous you know what I mean so bam they scare me I throw the hands up

so they made me like move towards them whatever with my hands up the whole time and then you know they cuffed me up they cuffed me up first I was just so scared than the motherfucker right don't shoot

if you don't cuff something I know I'm safe that's when I got started talking shit like you know right round Montana motherfucker so six months I'll be out

you know me speedy trail, bitch, watch. Like, I don't know, man. I was just, that's the mode I was in. But it wasn't a lot longer than six months, though. So, okay, I get caught. I go to jail. When I'm in jail, you know, the word is,

I'm supposed to beat my shit at, in my pre-land. Okay, so during Saw's trial, the victim states, that no one else was there. Right. She thinks the shooter was Sauce. Right.

And she knows the guy that kidnapped her. Right. She don't, to her, there's no one, I don't know what the fuck Sauce was doing in that truck. But she never saw him. She never saw. Right. So she said that I did look inside the truck

and there was no one else there. So on my mind, like, Sauce was in that motherfucker like, hide, right? Yeah. For really. He didn't want no parts of it. Right. He and that motherfucker hiding, right?

So, uh. But to them, they're saying, that's me. They're saying, I'm the person in the truck or nobody's in a truck, right? I'm the guy that controlled the shit or whatnot. So if sauce is in front of her and she's saying Jarrell kidnapped her, where the fuck am I at? Right. She says Soss shot her, Jarrell kidnapped her.

She's listening to the truck and nobody else was there. Is Jarrell saying you were there? Jarrell saying I'm there. So the phone call. conflicting between me and no Jarrell man listen I don't even go deep into that because like I said this ain't to stand nobody or nothing

but Jarrell did more than he had to to pit me in this shit man right you know yeah he went extra like fuck anyway if she don't identify me nowhere I'm like innocent like aside from Jarrell if she but

that's enough right there to cause what they call reasonable doubt, right? Right. Yeah, that's what I hope. So pre-lamp, they think in that my shit ain't even got enough evidence to go past the pre-lap. Sonsky made that message from his lawyer.

You know, he slid me a little kite in the county one time. I go to trial. Let me tell you how crooked my attorney is, though. She that made this statement at Soss Trial, the only people present was Soss. and I'm going to call him Jay I don't want to keep saying his name

Sauce and Jay there's only two people present Why you don't bring this up at my trial Why you don't paint me in a light That I wouldn't even involved in that Like, right Man that motherfucker was crooked Anyway

Fast forward man I ain't know going to trial Before you go to trial Do you know what sauce gets? Oh yeah Yeah Yeah. Okay. So bam. So I just all just getting convicted. I'm fighting. I'm going through the proceedings of a trial, you know, all the court dates or whatnot, the prelims.

These motherfuckers bonded my shit over at prelim without me having the prelim. Okay. So prelim is supposed to be like, is there, you know, sufficient evidence to take this case to trial? Yeah. well instead of having my prelim on a on a county court level without it going to district court they did something i forget what they called it where it went straight to district court where my prelim was held at district court between a judge that has the motive to further it you know what mean and uh shit they they made my shit continue without giving me the opportunity to prevent it from going to district court right you know what i mean uh you don't sure you don't

short, man, sauce, get 130 years while I'm going through my proceedings, right? Let me tell you something. I'm in the county, man. I start doing everything to try to get ahead of that and reverse that shit. I became a halfway Muslim. You understand what I'm saying? Hey, I was still Christian. I told God, look here, I'm going to stop gambling.

You know, I really did stop gambling, stop playing poker and everything. I start trying to tap into everything positive about me. I say, listen, man, I cannot. I don't hear 30 years? No. It's a little bit. So I'm just trying to be my best self. If I'm my best self, I'm going to get the best result.

Go to trial. Oh, man. Shit, I end up getting found guilty. So I'm in a bullpen. and pacing back and forth, you know. I got, I got, damn, I'm tripping. Is it either handcuffs or shackles on my feet? Anyway, I'm in the tank by myself.

They don't even got me with the regular felons, man. Every time I go to court, they always got me separated. I was, you were a more serious charge. Yeah, but, like, it was crazy because it'd be people in the other tank that actually committed murder. sometimes. Like, they victim didn't survive. I was in the tank by myself. Most of the time, every now and then there'd be one or two more guys with me. It was weird. Like, this new charge more violence in mind. But they had me on like a high profile or whatever. But anyway,

I'm in a bullpen. I'm in a bullpen waiting for a verdict, right? Trial concluded. I decided not to testify. They placed it in jury hands or whatever. It's on a Monday. Take me up to the bullpen while I'm waiting for the verdict to be read. I'm walking back and forth. I'm talking to

dead people, talking to God. I'm trying to manifest. I'm trying to create the ending. I'm putting every vibration, every rhythm out there I can for to make these jurors' minds

say, hey, no, he didn't hood right you know what i mean i'm i'm trying to uh what it called telepathically connect through the universe right now i'm visualizing certain juror i see they clothes and shit i'm like okay man this what you're thinking right whatever like i'm trying everything right i cannot get a guilty verdict ain't no way man i'm why i'm up here thinking my fucking bailiff come upstairs mr aaron they got a bit they got a verdict hold on what you mean they got a verdict That was too quick. No.

Think about it's a mole. I don't want to hear the verdict right now. I should be, bam. Like, they pull me out, the bullpen. The bullpins is right next to each other. You got the super poolpin where I would be at, and you got, like, the common bullpen.

They pull me out. They got to get me back all the way, you know, jammed up for, no, I'm in trial at this time. So I got a shock pad. No physical. I got on physical shit when I'm in the back in that holding tank. When I come out, the jury can't see me as like a inmate. Right.

So I got a shock pad on. They can't see that. Take me back out there for verdict. Man, I sit down. So I had two lawyers. So my two lawyers were sitting like one, two, and I was like at the end, right? So how I'm faced, I'm looking straight at the jury. Well, I won't forget it.

It's just a white woman, man. She sat down and she was looking at me so nasty, the most harsh facial expressions and shit. Like, but I don't know if it mean, like, you pussy motherfucker. They don't let you off. That's what I'm hoping to mean. But maybe it means you got what you got coming, bitch. You know what I mean?

Anyway, I'm sitting there thinking like, okay, she's mad. Right. She's mad because I didn't got all. You know what I mean? I'm hoping. I'm not attaching to nothing bad. I'm only seeing positive. She's mad because I got off.

Yes. Sitting here. Does the jury have a verdict? Yes, they do. Whatever, they do the process. You know, count one. You know, what a charges, attempted murder. We need a jury.

Fine, Mr. Avron. I'm looking on waiting. Guilty. What the fuck. fuck just having. But I don't show nothing, though. It's like a shockwave inside of me just go out. We find the defending guilty.

I'll just look over in my family. Checking their reactions. Babe Mom stormed out. Pops was looking, I don't know, like he saw a ghost, and Moms was already starting to break down. I'm just in the Twilight Zone. we did a jury find a defendant you know such a criminal conspiracy

conspiracy to murder guilty we did a jury find a defendant you know what they say use of a weapon right to commit a felony you find a defendant guilty tempering with a witness

they find a defendant guilty I'm just hitting here like I ain't laughed at that I'm just stale still okay now i ain't gonna see me sweat but i ain't gonna fake either i'm just in the in-between place shit going on in the crowd my eyes breaking down like i said babe mom stormed out like hands on her heart like she's about to pass out dad just stuck sisters eyes glossy and i'm just there bam

make them cuff me up take me to the bullfin I'm like God what the fuck is going on like for real I know this ain't real hold up what's going on hold up no

it ain't real but why it seems real right now how you're going to spend this guy because I know this ain't it how you're going to spend this to make it all right something's gonna shake something's gonna shake

I'm going to do this shit for big grand finale like conclusion you know what I mean boom I go to court to get sentenced that was just being found guilty like two months later

sentencing oh I go to court to get sentenced walking that well I get out the elevator you know they got to share some of you or whatnot it's a different

It's a different courtroom than trial courtroom. So I got to walk through more of, like, public space before I may get to my court room, the actual courtroom. They got the cameras out there and shit, and, you know, I'm just walking. You know, everybody looking at me, I'm like, in my mind almost like, one part is like, fuck it. I'm sorry, don't mean to say that word. I'm not sad because I did what I was supposed to do.

I ain't some bad person out of whatever. And I'm also like, gosh, still going to turn this around. God, still going to turn this around. I go in that courtroom, like, confident. I remember telling my mom before court. Because, you know, sauce already got $130. Right. So, mom, come on, I'm guilty.

They say, I'm guilty. You know what they're going to do, all right? When I lost trial, man, she went to the hospital. Like, she broke down, like, panic attack type stuff. Like, I had to pick the machine. the oxygen or all that. So now I'm prepping her. Mom, you know what they're going to do already.

Don't let it faze you. We good. We know this ain't to end it. This is not the conclusion. All right. I'm going to be all right. I know. Because it ain't over to God.

Say it's over. And, you know what I mean? Mom's ride with me. All right, bad. Let's go then. We in this together. We ain't rattled, you know. Hey, be on a mission with us.

We're going to stay strong. Throughout this mission. Boom. Court day come around. Sentencing day come around. Man, I said some powerful stuff to them people. I didn't walk into that courtroom like shaking in my boots. Right.

You know, I came to peace with a guy using me for something. I know I ain't no bad person. I don't deserve no results like this. And I'm going to stand tall through this shit. We go in the court room. kept a real with the judge, like he was a person. You know what I said. Like, my family hasn't received justice at this point.

Did that mean who's supposed to go without it? Not at all. So I'm saying things like, I remember my lawyer need me under the table. Hey, man, chill out, you stand you what? But I told the judge like, hey, listen, R-A-P-D-B, free sauce, and only God can judge me. And with that, you can go on with your sentence. Yeah, it's in the transcript.

But the judge, you know, found me guilty, gave me 150 years. More than the guy, the supposed shooter. More. And you saw, I'm so weird. I'm so weird at the time. I mean, not really weird. I'm really rare. By the time, I'm like, all right, any more time.

Shit, that's just a very accomplishment. Because I already know it ain't ending like this. What I'm saying? I'm about to overcome more. then I thought I was going to have to overcome. So, bam. After I get that time, it's crazy. It's not make me feel any better.

That one video. Listen, listen, listen, listen. I had two options, man. I could accept reality and be under somebody bunk crying some motherfucking where. Right. Where I could be delusional slash faithful. Right. And say, this shit happening for a reason.

I'm going to stand up. I'm not crying every day. You know what I mean? Watch this is my mindset. So bam When I get the time So now I'm like a high Super high class classified inmate

Can't be with general population Not only is he guilty he got 150 years He might fuck up some shit in our system Right So I can't go like the general population It take me to administrative confinement I'm just I'm really warped And I'm about to experiment with faith now

what else I'm going to do accept it I know God got a mission so I'm in administrative confinement 23 hours locked down come out for a shower with your handcuffs

and like it's fucked up but anyway the very next day after being placed on administrative confinement I hear the metal coming up the stairs and then I hear

stop at my door like clink clink clink mr. a avenue you got court court I just God damn he got sent this yesterday you mean I got court

I ain't got no court brain switch I know I know what's going home God was pulling a prank on me April Fool's Day Hey it started on April Fool's day You feel what I'm saying

It started on April Fool's Now he's about to show the the humor in his you know his correction God pulling a prank on me They might pull me in the court

And say Mr. Rayrod, I just wanted to show you What your life could be like You know what I mean? We understand what's going on And, you know, we don't see that you're a bad person We just got to show you You got to stand strong And you can't let emotions pull you into a dark pack

I'm ready to go to this court day Fuck, I can't wait Damn, God, thank you for being so graceful You know? Right Fuck, I can't wait Oh shit I'm starting to feel good

some spouted on the inside. Like, damn, I knew this wasn't real. Get downstairs. It pinned me in a holding tank with all federal people. Not state people. I was on paper. I caught this case.

A violated. Right. Oh, I know I ain't going to federal court, am I? No. My bubble of optimism is starting to bust. I got court for real? This ain't no God was pulling a prank on me situation.

Take me to federal court. I get violated. I officially get violated because now I'm guilty. I'm not just assumed of doing something. I'm guilty now. I get violated. Well, the fed say that, well, he's going to be an old man when he gets out. You know, he's going to, you know, I had 150 years.

In my state, you would get out in 75, half of that. You know, I was like 28, 29 or something at the time. So 75 plus that age. 75 and 20 that's 95 say eight more that's 103 I was going to be 100 to 300 or 4 when I got out they said he's going to need to get acclimated back to society they

that's what they say no he don't need jail time he already got enough jail time so for your violation when you get out you got two years supervised release at 105 you know if you feel what I'm saying I feel all right whatever now I leave federal court they bring me back to the county and now I'm disappointed because I thought guy was

about to look out for me right but no this was really your court day so fuck all right whatever I'm going back get back to the bullpins about waiting to go back to my unit they're taking everybody up to their unit say Abram they called me out for court hold on I just came for court man what y'all what y'all doing so I just came from court. I said, well, now you got state court. Oh shit. Hey, listen here. Guy really about to look out. What else I got court for? I'm sent this in the state. I'm sent this in the feds. I don't got nothing else to go to court for.

Okay. Mr. Abram, you got state court. Fuck. I knew God was just fooling the prank on. I knew it. Oh. Sweet. All right. Let's go to state court. God, thank you. I promise you I won't ever do that bad again. I'll come to church every Sunday.

I want to sell drugs. You know, like God, I just want to live for you now. God, thank you, thank you, thank you. I really appreciate you. But getting to this courtroom, my family in there, they kind of lightweight smiling and shit. Oh, God, thank you so fucking much, man. They got notified without me knowing.

I had to come to court for a sentence modification. Get up there. Well, Mr. Abram, this is the judge speaking. I noticed when I sentenced you yesterday, I said that I gave you the same sentence as your cousin, co-defendant, Jamal Abram, which is 130 years. But on the record, I gave you 150 years.

So that was a mistake. I meant to give you 130 years. Like, I gave your coach. So I got a sentence. modification of 20 years. From 150 down to 130. Nice. Y'all look and I say, man,

this is here. It's all right. I'm still good because you're not the judge. You're not the author of my life. You understand me? You're saying what you're saying right now. Whatever. My faith is intact.

All right. All right. It's all good. I'm surprised at my family. You know what I mean? I'll talk to y'all. This ain't the last time y'all see me. I mean, I'm in prison now.

I'm about, I'm about, man, I'm only like seven months into my sentence or something. I mean, since being found guilty. Yeah. So at this time, 2012, I had been locked up like three years. You won't know about prison life? You're on the, you're chipping away at that, aren't you? three years off of 130 already. It's not even worth it.

I'm shipping that shit. I'm shipping that shit. I got a hundred and thirty years. So let's say I'm not a model inmate. Right. You know what I mean? I got the pack coming in. You know, I got long sharking going on.

I'm just, hey, I was in that world. And anything that I'm a part of, I just got a desire to be the best at it. I was a conflict. I was an inmate. I wanted to be the best one. Boom. I'm selling trees on the yard.

I'm loan sharking. I'm loaning food. Anything you need on the yard. Running the store. Holler at rock. Anybody on the yard to tell you, hollered at rock. I'm running the poker table. You know, I mean, like, I come in from the poker table with four,

five hundred tokens on me stuffed in every boot, every sock, every, you know, hidden component to make, because the limit is 25. You know what I mean? Right. that tokens is money on the yard. I'm coming in every day, three, four, five hundred of them, you know. It may look like,

I'm coming in, handing off tokens while I got people in the day room cooking burritos for the entire unit. Like, for real. Like, I really dimmed a ton of these kind of things in prison. It's crazy because it's crazy. It don't really deserve, like, an applause or nothing, but it's just, like, ties into me, man.

However I'm living, whichever angle aspect I'm in, I just want to be the best act. You know, so that was me being the best at what I was doing. Getting the bag in, blood in the yard of whatever, cooking for everybody and, you know, building my legacy. Whether that legacy was the certain whatever inmate, I was building my legacy. March 7th, I have oral arguments for my appeal. Back it up. My lawyer found the actual error in my jury instructions. After how long?

I got found guilty in 2010. Got sentenced to begin at 2011. And in July, 2012, I actually won. So in between the beginning of 2011 and the middle of 2012, the era was found. We had the oral arguments in March, March 7th, 2012. I got to say this too, man, because it just does something to my mind to when I think back on it.

All these guys in here, life sentences, 400 years for this, you know, 300 years for that, life sentence. plus 60 years and 90 years and they own a yard playing poker and playing basketball and that's cool but they're not at the law library right they accepting what they got going either they accepting it or pitting it off in somebody else's hands that's fine but i got to be active with mine my life too valuable to solely depend on i don't care how esteemed the lawyer is i'm going to be involved with this situation So I ended up going to the whole administrative confinement again. I ain't got in trouble. I ain't got into no fight, nothing like that. But with the operations I was running on the yard, a lot of people would owe me, you know, money, whatnot. And I'd be waiting on my money sometime and it don't be coming when they're supposed to come.

I'm in the jungle. You understand me? I can't just like let it slide. So you have your attorney? write them a letter saying that they owe? No, hey, oh, no. Like a collection letter? No, I pull up.

I'll pull up, you know what I mean? Like, hey, what's heading it? You understand me? I need that. Or, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, not that I want to be or trying to be, but I have to be. I need that. If I don't got that on such and such, then, hey.

They go to the warden of the lieutenant. So they drop them kites, man. And I got to say this, too, man. I don't want to give y'all too much. How can they don't check in? How can they don't check in? Some of them have. Oh, okay.

Like, I wrote letters, you know, to send out to the streets and they get sent back in to this person. Like, hey, you know, you got to come out one day. Yeah. So it's going to be what it's going to be. You know what I mean? But anyway, it just is so blatant how different my perspective is now and it used to be. Because I'm at home one day going through my prison tow. And I was looking for something specifically, something my daughter, a letter my daughter wrote to me.

I was looking for some specific. a letter my daughter wrote to me. And while looking for that, I stumbled across all my paperwork, like my write-ups and stuff like that. And I'm reading it, like, you know, inmate wrote a kite on this saying Mr. Abram was going to come into his room. Inmate Abram was running the loan operation charging 20% per week. Embelate inmate Abram was receiving marijuana, you know,

such and such such and such and inmate Abram tells another inmate connect the dots and whatever would you will and it's just giving my resume I'm like god damn this is what I was inmate Abram tells other

inmate you a bitch pussy you cut it out so that such such sudden and such I'm like damn I was coming that niggist like that uh inmate Abram sends a letter out to his mom and has her send it back into another inmate saying uh I'm just seeking

I'm just seeking what's mine. And if you want to get on some bigger bullshit, I got to get on some big. If I'm just inmate Abramson's letter out to his mom and his mom sends back in, you know what I mean, to the institution and inmate Abram is saying to the other inmate, if you want to get on some bullshit, I ain't got no choice but get on some bigger bullshit.

I just need what's mine, basically, or real. Like, damn, this who you, like, it shocks my system. I like, what the fuck? This is how you was moving? But I had 130 years, though. Yeah. I don't got the same mind. Yeah.

You feel what I'm saying? Uh, I go to the hole. People owe me. I'm, I'm pushing an envelope. They dropping kites. Boom. They come get me. After so many kites, so many accusations, it's just like, it is what it is.

He's a problem. He's a problem. Now, now they zeroed in on me. Like that letter I sent out, I know that they got that letter because this and now it's in my paperwork. Right. We, uh, captured this letter saying this, saying that. So they was on me. It took me to administrative confinement.

Best thing ever. The law of manifestation began to take place. So when you go to administrative confinement, you don't get your own TV. You don't get no TV. The fact that you get TVs at all. You don't get no entertainment, right? I have any TV. I never had any TV.

Yeah, state joint is better than Feds in that way. Yeah. The Feds is so much better on other. levels, but that's one of the pros, one of the perks of the stage on it. So, but 45 days, though, I just had oral arguments, right? Now I'm in the hole. No people around me, no television around me, just me and my thoughts. My thoughts.

Read books? I mean, I can get books. Okay. But my thoughts was my entertainment. And I'd be in that cell, man. and I just start to think about the day I get released and I start to see it in my mind. I start to really feel it in my spirit.

You know, I see myself, you know, walking across the yard and the inmates, you know, cheering for me and, you know, I walk out the front door and my family out there and I hug them and we're happy. And I go to the cell phone store and get my first phone. I go to the barbershop and get, you know, get my duggie on. it. I'm seeing in my mind every day

and I'm feeling it. I'm smiling. It feels good because it's really happening for myself in that moment. And maybe it's just a theory I don't know, but I felt like I was manifesting that but like I was creating that during that span. Fast forward.

Every Friday, I'm still in a hole. Every Friday, the rulings come out for the courts as, you know, appeals on decisions. Right. I'm watching the news every Friday for, to see if my case come across there.

Friday the 13th, which was July to 13th. Before the news could come on, the cops came to my cell and was like, Mr. Abram, pack up. Pack up. It's court ruling day. I won my appeal. I'm thinking it, but they ain't said it to me.

I said, I said, what's up? Where I'm going? They say, you're going to Tacomsa. Ticomsa is a supermax joint in Nebraska. I was at NSP, that's the maximum joint, but they got the maximum and the medium side, but I was on the maximum side. They tell me I'm going to Ticomsa, the supermax.

I'm like, nah, I'm on a Friday, the appeal day, nah. I said, I don't have won my appeal, but they can't tell me right now. I got to walk when you're up front, and they've got to be secretive or whatever, and then when I was to check out that's when they're going to tell me. Right. You know what I mean?

Oh, shit, okay, let me get the bag. Let me get the bag. Somebody go home. I can't believe this shit. I packed up my shit. They still said I'm going to Comsa. But I know that ain't true, though. Going to front with my property and shit

walking across the yard. You know, remember the vision? I've seen people waving by to me, congratulating the plodding. Yeah. But instead, it ain't all the way accurate. They're just saying, what's going on? Where you going?

Say, man, they said, I'm going to Tacomsa. To Comsa? I said, man, that's what they say, but I'm walking like, wait, later on watching news. Get up front. Holden tank. There's a lot of dudes in there. Where are you going? I said, I said, I said, where you going?

I said, hey, where are you going? They said, maybe going to Comsa. I said, what the fuck? All right, okay, they do got a busload going to Comsa, but they're not taking me. They're going to take them And they won't let me out Because I just want my appeal They just ain't told me yet

You know what I mean This is my mindset My guy I'm never accepting a failure They take me to the comfort For real What the fuck is Why they do Why they gotta drag it out this much

They're gonna let me out here Man I could end up going to my sale It's hours later So when you transfer over You don't get your property right away I mean you gotta wait a while They gotta go through everything And make sure you ain't

Try to sneak nothing in all that Now we're still in a hole though everybody that went to Tacomsa, we're in the hole. They're transferring us because there was just a riot on the yard the day before and they're just getting rid of some more high profile

or high classified inmates to make room in the hole for these individuals. So we're in Tacompson. Friday, July 13th. I'm waiting for my property, but I'm so tired of being in transit all day.

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to my door. I've got to reach out the hatch. I'll reach up, poke the number, or whatnot. And I'm just letting, I want to let my family know I got moved. Right. You know what I mean? I'm in a different location now. And it's a much different environment now, too. So I call my babe mom.

And I tell her like, oh, like, yeah, I'm in Tacompson now. You know, I'm just giving her the update. And she say, what's going on with the appeal? Now, that shocked me because I was aware that I was like the, only one that was more so delusional. Like, this ain't my reality. Something going to change. And everybody else was more so like...

You're going to do this time. I mean, they don't want that for me. No, but they hope. They hope that something changes, but they don't got the faith that I got. And I could see that in there. So when she asked me about my appeal, my mind, I'm like, for what? Like, you don't never talk about this. There's something

you probably want to avoid. You don't believe me. I said, I'm still waiting Why, what's up? She said, she said, no, you won. You didn't know?

I said, what? She said, you won your appeal this Friday. It was on the news. Everything overturned. Man, I was stuck my head out the hatch. I'm in the whole talking to everybody. I met a guy down there, Thunder Collins, some other guys, too,

but that was the guy I talked to the most. Like, hey, Thunder. I won. Like, I, I won. You know, I mean, I'm celebrating. I'm, I'm celebrating when people I don't even know. Like, the AC4, I won, you know? So I get back on the ball.

I said, what? She said, you won. Like, everything will return. Oh, my God. I got, I knew it was going to happen. I ain't ever lost faith. You know what I mean? So, man, I won't even my appeal.

Really quick, can you go back and explain what the appeal was about? The whole duration of trial, had concluded. And on the last day of trial, I felt like it was like 50-50. I don't know. Right. No, like 60-40, my way, because I'm being optimistic. You know, but I'm like, damn, am I really going to win?

No, am I hoping to win or cannot win? I ain't for sure. I think I need to testify. I think I need to get my side of the story, you know? If 130 years and going home He's decided upon one more thing Listen, let me try to sway these motherfuckers A girl had already testified

That I was with her that night Yeah So, uh, like, man, I need to go ahead And get up there and validate that story And swayed these motherfuckers It happened on the Friday though But I will... Your girl says it Not my girl.

What? She's not my girl. She's just a good. girl that I was a girl yeah okay a girl says you were with her yeah the victim says you weren't there you get on the stand and say but hold on I don't I don't get on the stand don't I was going to say so listen so listen so listen so I'm like do I want to get on the stand right this happens on a Friday so being undecided my judge asked can I have the weekend to decide if I want to testify or not so I go through the weekend processing like you know do I want to you know get up there what kind of shit can I get

caught up in I'm gonna fuck around and be bad for myself and uh just the unknown I said no I ain't I ain't test like that that's what saved me first of all not getting caught before a sauce trial saved me and now not testify at my trial save me I know you probably say how. So let me tell you, if I had to testify at my trial, okay, the instruction that saved me, I came home on the technicality, a jury instruction error. Right. All right.

If I testify, the instruction that saved me won't exist. Okay. So whenever you don't testify at your trial, they got to give an instruction to the jury that says, the fact the defendant didn't testify must not be considered in the mission of guilt. Right, right? So say you're a juror and this guy's a defendant, but he ain't taking a stand. He ain't saying what happened where he was really at. You can't consider that that may make him guilty.

Exactly. But you may have the natural inclination to kind of feel like why he ain't saying that. Right. He probably did it. So they got to give an instruction to make you not think that. Right. The fact the defendant didn't testify. must not be considered an omission of guilt.

Right. Because I didn't testify that instruction was given, right? If I do testify, that's not given. Decide not to testify, that instruction is given. My instruction said, the fact the defendant didn't testify must be considered an admission of guilt. Was it just an accident? The word not was missing. You hear me?

Right. No, it ain't no accident. It was on purpose by God. Okay. It was an accident by a human error. But God did it on purpose. And when I, this is why I say that. I don't know how many instructions I had, man, 20-something instructions, you know.

I don't know. If I'm a guess to me, I think that I would be accurate by saying it was roughly 10,000 words. and I'm somewhere in the ballpark of how many words it was throughout all of my instructions. Out of those 10,000 words, you cannot go throughout my instructions and find one singular word

aside from the one that was missing. There's not one other singular word that you can go find that would turn my conviction over. Right. That one word being missing, it was God. understand me he's been having his hand on me in my entire life uh so now with that word being missing i didn't receive a fair trial yeah it's it's a clerical error right but you cannot assume

or they know the word not was supposed to be there you know by the law you got to assume that they took this instruction at face value and therefore they were instructed to because i didn't testify to assume that I'm guilty. Right. I didn't get a fair trial. I got to go back for a fair trial now. It took two months for me to get back to court because the state get the chance to, like, appeal the decision. So I get back to the county two months later, go through my start going through, I'm not innocent.

I just want on the technicality. Yeah, yeah. You just get a new trial. A new trial. Well, my Kenforth testified on me the first trial. Yeah. Remember the female didn't identify me ever. Right.

Only person that harmed me was my camp phone. Right. He didn't want to do that. He did that because he was facing that elbow, that life sentence. And, you know, he got that off of him. And now I got a second trial. There's no incentive to get him to testify on me now. What did he get?

He ended up getting 31 to 55. Okay. He's still in jail. No, he's out now. No, now he is then. At that time, he was still in prison? Yeah. He could have testified.

You're going to give him something more for a second time? No, no, they can't give him a second deal. Really? They can't. In the state? In the state. In the Nebraska, at least. In the feds, they had given him a second deal.

So listen, they, it's the same case, I guess. I don't know. They cannot give him a second bonus for this same situation. So he got his bonus for testifying the first time. He's good. Now I got a second trial that he can't. get no incentive for. Right.

He ain't fucking with him. You know what I mean? So now you've got one woman that says you weren't there. Exactly. But they're saying that they can use this transcripts from the first trial, which is a bluff tactic. If you ask me, but my, even my lawyers was like, they don't know if they're going to be able to get it in. We like, we could, my lawyers say, oh, I got two lawyers again.

My lawyers say, well, we could get to cross-examine them. Prosecutions say he was cross-examining the first trial. but it was different lawyers different lawyers yeah I didn't cross examine anyway it was like it was it was a topic that was in the air that I'm right like I say blunt it's an argument it's an argument so

with the case not being strong they come at me with 40 years they didn't come with no plea bargains the first trial situation right they come with 40 years I ain't doing that on 40 you got to to do 20, right?

I haven't been down like, like three. Like three has changed or something. Like, that means I got to do 17 more and I just won my appeal. My mind should is I'm going home. Nah, I ain't taking 17 more. I ain't taking 40 years. They come at me with 30 years. Let's go to trial.

They ain't got no case. Let's go to trial. They come in me with 20 years. Let's go to trial. I'm not thinking about going to do no more time when I win my appeal. Y'all coming at me with these deals because y'all don't got nothing. And I ain't accepting what you're offering. Either give me time served or let's go to trial.

That's what my stance. So when they come at me with the 20 years, and I deny that, my lawyers call my mom. They said, basically, your son tripping. You know what I mean? He just had 130 years. They're trying to give them 20 years, which means if we have to do 10, you already got three and some change in.

You know what I mean? Six is some change. Plus, he didn't go to work release, you know what I mean, three, four years. So he's tripping. Mom come visit me in the county. I'm like, Mom, I'm not taking no 20 years. I ain't got nothing. Long story short, moms put their little spell on me.

And I'm like, all right, I said, all right, I take the 20. So when I take the, when I tell myself I'm going to take the 20, my brain switch. I say, man, you know what? Celebrate. so what you know six is some change mo so what you had 130 celebrate this feel good don't feel sad this is a win you know what I mean this is a victory that mindset began to come out I'm on the phone calling different people you know little friends like hey listen man look all right I'll be

home you know about about five of them you know about four five of them I'll be in work release you know and then you know I mean I've been working with this for many but when I'm in work, it was like, you know, I can still move around. I'm celebrating through these phone calls. Now, I go to court to actually take the deal in formally. That first, it was just my lawyers bringing it to me.

Yeah. All right, I'll take it. We go to court to take it. When I walk into the courtroom, my family is like not looking happy. They're looking, like, scared, worried, not good. So I'm fucked up off the dribble. Sit at the table. My lawyer's like, uh, that victim's family doesn't approve of the deal. It's off the table.

Back to square one. I'm in the county. They're saying, the prosecution is saying we're going to trial. Okay. They're like, we're not giving you 20 years. What you did was too horrific. We are not going to give you 20 years. We would take the chances of losing trial before we give you 20 years.

The least we're going to give you is 30 years. I ain't taking it. I got a rap, drink. I got, you know, I got ghetto dreams, sorry. I got dreams that are unachieved at the moment. I'm not taking 30 years. That's 15. I got to bring y'all like 12 more.

I'm not taking 30 years. They tell my mom again. They're in my mom, my weak spot. They come my mom. Listen, I think your son should take it. It's guaranteed you come home. You know, trial is a risk. You know, no matter how.

sure it may seem there's still a risk and I would hate to be in a position of you know whatever she come visit me mom I'm not taking her 30 years mom mom I got I got so much to do my babies would be certain such age like mom like they don't got nothing I'm going to trial she bring my baby mom with her though and they start crying mom's like I never thought I'll see you again outside of a visiting room and And, man, long story short, man, I remember crying with them. And I said, I said, all right. And she's like, what?

You would take it? No, I think I said, yeah. I said, I said one word. But I didn't explain with that one word meant, but she just latched on tour. She said, what, you would take it? I said, yeah, I'll take it. And they start thanking me and like, okay, we got your back. And, you know, like, listen, this is a win.

you know, trying to make me feel good, but I'm like, man, it's my, my most fucking prime of my life over with. Shit ain't no good. But I still say I'm going to take it, though. And the visit with them, I get on the phone with my lawyers. I ain't taking no 30 years. I couldn't, I couldn't do it, man. So I say, man, I started pieces together now.

I said, what happened is, ain't no victim family, nothing. I said, they heard me on these phone calls, celebrating and being happy about this 20 years. So now I come to court, they're like, no, we can get some more time I just do. So this is what I'm telling myself. I said, man, listen, first they said, first they said 20 years. Now they're saying 30 years, we can do 25.

We're meeting the middle and do 25 or we're going to trial. That's it. They said, okay, I'll take it to them. See what they say. They accept it. And the beauty in it is, in order for me to get 20, 25 locked in, they had to change my charges. My original charges attempted murder,

conspiracy to murder, use of a weapon to commit a felony, a witness tampering. Those charges together was maxed like 50, 50, 50, 155 years. So if I accept the deal, the judge still got the discretion to sentence me anywhere in that range, even though the prosecution is saying whatever number.

So you give them a max out sentence. Yeah. So the judge wouldn't accept. Sorry, a max out charge. Sorry. So the judge wouldn't agree to 25 years, right? And it's good that we found that out because if we didn't find that out, I would agree to something. They didn't go get whacked.

But the judge wouldn't sign off on 25 years, but now the prosecution had to modify their charges. Now my charges are, with some of my record, are attempted. assault an accessory to a felon. Some bullshit. You know what I mean? But in order, one of the charges carry a maximum of 20 years and the one carry a maximum of five years. The max the judge could give me is 25 years.

Right. So it gave me the max, 25 years. I had to do 12. Was you happy about that? I mean, I was cool. No, not you. Was the judge happy? Hell no.

Hell no. That's one of the reason I moved out of Nebraska, man. I feel like I'm a target like to the system. Like if they get any opportunity, man, they don't make an example. They can't create an example. But one thing I can't skip overall. Sauce is innocent. Right.

Right. During the proceedings of my appeal or after my appeal, after I win my appeal, I'm not at peace in here, right? How I win my appeal? He didn't win his. Like this life still ain't right I'm so thankful that God Then turn this around for me

But what's right about this? When you got this guy still here I gotta fix it You know what I mean If God ain't gonna fix it And not saying that he ain't But I guess I'm more in the rush I had to step up to the plate

The beauty in the situation Is that the victim didn't die And I'm thankful The victim didn't die Because I would much rather end my life here with knowing I didn't take a life, you know, even though in that moment, that's what I wanted. So I'm happy that that ending didn't take place.

But the beauty end it is that there's statute of limitations on that charge now, right? Right. So now, after I went my appeal, statute of limitations passed, I come forward. Right. Everything y'all said this man did, I did that. Right. And you've already been sentenced? already done the time.

Yeah. So his brother had basically went along with the victim statement because he don't know, like I said, you know, got on the mask or whatnot. Like, you know,

I didn't just, you know, show myself or whatever. And he just went with her story. But through going with her story, he gave off some lies, you know, because he's just trying to tag team with the story.

He's saying stuff he don't really know. So he's saying like, bam, situation, we do the gun in a certain spot. The police went to search that spot. There's no gun there. If he was telling you the truth, this was underground. If he was telling you the truth, then the gun would be there.

So to validate that I'm telling you the truth, you've got an innocent man locked up. Not only am I telling you I did it, this is how I did it, but this is where I put the gun at, right? this shows true story false story uh i did that in courtroom and uh can't folks still locked up been locked up 18 years did they find the gun i mean i can't say that they did or they didn't i know i gave them the information right that you know this is the exact location right and let me say this real quick giving them the information you understand we don't let that get received the wrong way this case is already in the books You understand, he's wrapped up or whatever.

This information is being shared to bring a man home. Information that I'm guilty of. It's where I put the gun at. But why is he still locked up? There's just fighting. Yeah, they don't, the guy that really did it then got off. Yeah. They can't do nothing to me.

So what they want to just, all right, no, they want to play tick for tech. Right. All right. Well, we're going to keep one of y'all in. And it's so crazy because I was in work release at the time when this has happened. And he had a hearing come up for his appeal proceedings and I attended his hearing and, you know, I let him know like, hey, I'm responsible for XYZ and, you know, this is that and this is that. I put it on the table. I ain't break no law. I ain't break no corrections

department rules or anything. But after that court date, Went back to work release. I didn't make it back to my bunk. Right. They cuffed me up. Send me back to the joint. Maximum security. No write-up.

No law violation. No rule violation. Nothing. It's just a retaliatory system. Right. I mean? Like, you ain't going to beat us. And so you didn't score some points.

We're going to score back. Yeah. So again, I got to say, man, the forefront of my story is that you got a man my brother db a k a k arize abram my kinfolk who is also my brother jamaul abram aka soss

uh db has lost his life with the with the wrong label attached to it and sauce is innocent and the system notice yeah they don't don't care yeah yeah i got out uh october 21st

uh 2021 um and since coming home man i just been having my head down held on the swivel at the same time uh very ambitious you know trying to live up to my end of god having something great at the end of this journey all right throughout this journey man one of the greatest things i felt like man the story itself i feel like he gave me something that i'm supposed to use in a way and put a spin on it, you know, for exposure. I'm sorry, but the exposure is needed is multi-beneficial. The exposure cures the situation, you know, brings justice, you know, and answers to a grieving family. Exposure also gives freedom to a guy that's wrongly incarcerated.

but I think exposure can be something that's pivoted from that changes the trajectory of like a generation, at least, you know, what I'm connected to and as far as my reach go. So I've been sharing my story. I've done other podcasts, and I just got to say that, you know, throughout sharing my story, as I mentioned before, man, it has caused sadness and grief to some people.

And I do still want to, I'm still going to, you know, advocate for my story, but I don't want to do so in a way, man, that causes pain and grief and hardship to others. So I'm doing my best, you know, to dial back from that. But I still encourage, you know, people to tap in. and one product they got to tap in with is the book series. Oh my God. Listen, I discovered the talent. I find the good and everything bad I go through.

Throughout the situation, I would have never knew I was a hell of an author if I didn't go through this. I am an amazing author. You don't say so yourself. Listen, it's not just because it's me. If you read it, if you tap into it, man, you're going to experience every emotion you can think of. You're going to disappear from whatever room, whatever realm or whatever room you're in, and you're going to be tapped into my universe. Like, for real.

But the series is called a buck 30. That's the main title. All of them are buck 30, which is synonymous for 130 years. The first one is a buck 30, the reason, the reason I lost a little bro. the second one is a buck 30 the revenge self-explanatory or the third book is a buck 30 the run you know it's a lot that took place in that phase besides actually you know trying to stay low from police the fourth one is actually done man but this in-between phase i being in of trying to move forward in a considerate manner

got me on pause with it. Four is done, but I haven't released it yet. It's a buck 30 the rain. And that's when I get caught. Everything go bad, you know, 130 years. And everything that came with that, people disappearing. You know, man, life got heavier. And the last book is a buck 30, the refund.

Take that back. I didn't want it for real. You know what I mean? I got a clothing line. Everybody eat. That's my brand. My brand does everybody eat. Like my chain, everybody eat.

I got a closing line for that brand, but more so what it's for, man. I want it. I'm trying to create a cooperative economics platform for my people, right? Just like I come from, man. from selling candy back in the day and selling, you know, legal stuff or whatever. We've always had the ability, you know, the drive, the skill set to go get something that we didn't have and sell it to somebody that wanted it and make a profit out of it.

We've just been applying that skill set to the wrong lifestyle. So my company is aimed to produce products and services that enables, you know, hustle-minded individuals to sell these products and services and make they commission like they did with the bad products. Right. Do the same thing but in the legal way. Don't worry about the cops.

Don't worry about robbery. Don't worry about, you know, prison or, you know, plotting or, you know, fuckery or thievery or whatever. Let me let you be you, but what you're selling can't fit you in jail. That's what my, you know, my vision is. I want to work with the youth, you know,

high school is where I veered off into the wrong path. I got a passion to tap me in with them and also for guys coming out of prison. I've encountered some hardships coming home. I had to, you know, jump through loopholes on, find a crib and stuff like that. I know people go through the same kind of hurdles and if they mindset ain't right,

them hurdles is going to be like walls that stop them, right? And I want to be able to them to get over it. Like I always tell people, I don't see hurdles. I see the air above them. You know what I mean? And I want to share that philosophy and resources and stories and energy. I want to shift to culture.

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