Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Inmate Seduces Prison Counselor, Robs Baltimore Kingpins & Joins BGF! | Ivan Potts

Starting point is 00:00:00 In prison. Everybody wanted her. She was like Miss Parker off a Friday. Man, my gosh, gosh, God. And I'm like, oh, boom, boom, boom, boom. The whole projects is running with me. The guy in the wheelchair, like, he's fine. Yeah, yeah. As I look back, I had all the treats of a,

Starting point is 00:00:20 he going to be a criminal. I burnt my mother house on fire. Did it burn down? It burned down. Oh, my God, bro. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. Horrible.

Starting point is 00:00:33 That's how we got out the projects. Real talk. I came over there. I used to hate the project show. Like, it felt like hell. So, you know, I just used to play with fire. And one time, you know, we had bunk bids and it's like this material that hang from your bunk. And it's like a fabric softener type.

Starting point is 00:00:54 Yeah, I know what I'm talking about? Like the sheets and I lit it and it, and when I blew it, it spread it like, spread it like, woof. So I'm like, oh shit. Went to the kitchen to fill a bucket up with water. By the time I got back to the rum, the whole bunk was on fire. My mother in her living room sleep. So I'm like, shit, I got to wake her up and tell her.

Starting point is 00:01:17 So I'm like, my, it's some smoke up back there. She's like, what the fuck do you mean smoke? And she get up, the whole rum is inflamed now. The rum was so inflamed that it like panicked. Like, oh shit, I got to get my little brother out the rum. So, you know, we left out the house and she was like, what the fuck did you do that? Of course, she was screaming at me and shit. But I'm like, I don't, I'm scared now.

Starting point is 00:01:38 Yeah, I didn't do it. I don't know. It just there was a fire. It was a fire. Denial. How did it get in your room? It's that project electrical. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:48 It's bad electrical. Yeah, so that was, I think that kind of, my mother probably still got a little resentment behind that shit. Because she was like, she was fucked up after that. Oh. And it was, I feel, responsible for it. And so they like sent him to his grandma's house. That's how I got the Libby Heist and Garson.

Starting point is 00:02:07 That's when you started getting into more criminal activity. Of course, because I ain't had no dad. So I also went through that thing with my family. Like I was the, my dad was the youngest out of six kids. And he got locked up early in my life. So now I'm the kid that I'm over grandma's house, of eventually, of course, Of course, my grandmother and my grandfather became like my primary parents. And they had other kids with other grandkids.

Starting point is 00:02:38 So I was like her son in a sense. And she was older, though. So of course, you know, I'm growing up. I'm learning how to get around things, sneaking out the house, stuff like that. And our neighborhood, we lived in a drug-infested neighborhood. So it was easy for me to get into drugs. And then people knew my father. So that's when, you know, around like, I say like the fifth, like fifth grade, going to middle school, I started like getting in the streets.

Starting point is 00:03:13 Right. So what are your, you've got like a plug that you're buying? Sorry. Is it? No, no, I ain't even start off like that. It started off with me trying to be a rap. But like my friend Damo like, you can rap, bop, bop, bop. and we shot a little video in my neighborhood

Starting point is 00:03:30 and I was young, young. And my friend Damo was like, yo, I got a tape record over my house. You need to come over here and record yourself. So I'm like, all right, I go over his house. His house was up the street from my house. His house sat on Farr's Park. It's an area around my neighborhood named Chelsea Terrace.

Starting point is 00:03:52 That's the block right there. That's where all the shit going on. Damo uncles and his family, they're in the streets. So when I go over his house, it was like over my grandmother house, it was like Christianity. You know what I mean? I could do what I want. She was spoiling me. Grandma love.

Starting point is 00:04:09 But when I leave out of her house and go up Damo house, it's dirt bikes, it's pit bulls, it's rap music, it's smoking weed. You know what I'm saying? Even though they had a grandma, but he had hella cousins. So when I went to his house and, you know, began to rap and stuff, because I started meeting his uncles and yeah. And that's one thing you let to another man. Uncle Kay man, like, yo, you gotta get some money. And then one thing let to another.

Starting point is 00:04:36 What is one thing, what does that mean? All right, so. Humor me with specifics. Okay, okay. So, all right. I used to, of course, if you wanna be a rap, but you need money, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:46 And we watching cash money, no limit at that time. And we like, yo, we do need some money, man. But my friend, Damo was like, I ain't. never selling drugs. I ain't going to be like them. Like, he was a good kid. Like, Damo wasn't any of that, but I was. Right. And so, of course, when I go over his house and he walked over, I go in his cousin

Starting point is 00:05:08 around, I see the dirt, they got the dirt bite thing on the wall. They got the New Jordans. You know what I mean? I see the, you know what I mean? I see the bags. I'm like, damn, how can I do what they doing, right? And his brother, chops, he was this fly, he had all of it. And one day I just asked him, like, yo, I'm trying to get some money, like, what I got to do.

Starting point is 00:05:33 He like, I give you a pack. So I'm like, all right. But I mind you, I don't know how I sell drugs. So I'm like, a pack or what? He's like, I'm going to give you some girl, right? Right. So like, okay, you give me some girl. I'm like, he liked it.

Starting point is 00:05:48 It's 20 of them in there, work for $100. bring me back $60, keep 40. So I was like, oh, that's cool, right? Boom. Seems like a shitty split. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't 50-50. Right.

Starting point is 00:06:03 It was 60-40, right? So I was like, all right, that's cool, right? So I took the pack in the house, got up early in the morning, went up the Libby Heising Garrison. I stood out there and shit. Mind you, this is my first day, so I don't know what I'm doing. So I'm just sitting on the bus stop. And somebody bent the corner, it was like,

Starting point is 00:06:20 don't nobody got no girl. And I was like, yeah, right here. And she sat next to me and she was like, is it good? This ain't fake. Is it? I was like, nah, this real. Like, huh? Gave it to her.

Starting point is 00:06:33 She took it. She dipped off. And she must have dipped off his streak. Right. And, boy, she came back. She was like, give me five more of them. And I was like, all right, boom. I gave her five more of them.

Starting point is 00:06:48 I was like, damn. That fast, as I walked past, she was like, and I'm been in the corner, she said, Hey, younging, she's like, him right there. And she sent two more people to me. So they like, let me get five of them. And the other one, like, give me your six. So, boom, now I got his, the money to pay him back.

Starting point is 00:07:06 So I'm like, damn, I made this in like 10 minutes. Right. So I'm like, I got like four pills left. I'm like, shit, I'm about to call my people's and get some more. So, you know, I went to him. He's like, damn, you ran through it that fass? He's like, huh, take five more of them. And I'm like, okay, cool.

Starting point is 00:07:26 And I ran through them five. Then I learned, I started, you know, spending my little tennis and stuff. And around this time, I was in middle school. So, you know, I started buying little clothes. Me and my friends started buying clothes and stuff. And by the time I was in the ninth grade, I was like, fuck school.

Starting point is 00:07:46 Because around that time, it was like, I start getting a little deeper. Because now I'm trustworthy. And people see I'm trustworthy. So people are like, oh, I could give him something and he's going to get rid of it. Right. So, of course, I moved from getting packs to buying eight balls.

Starting point is 00:08:03 Bying an eight ball, turn an eight ball to a quarter. And now people who sell smack, they like, shit, we could get him on a team. And one of my guys in my neighborhood, he's like, yo, I got. I got some scramble for you. I'm like, like, what the fucking scramble, right? So I'm like, all right, I'm going to give you a pack. Like, all right, cool.

Starting point is 00:08:27 I'm going to give you $150 worth, bring back, he like bring back 80. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm like, man, I can make a couple dollars. So if I got that, the boy and a girl, I could compete with the guys who got the boy, because I'm seeing the boy is like around this time in Baltimore, like you had strips doing 40, 50,000 a day. So like, you're seeing the money come through large amounts of money come.

Starting point is 00:08:58 And it was his old head names. Skip that was up there. And Skip was like, he was like Frank Lucas to me back in the day. Like, he was just so organized like he was in a, he was in this spot called Miss Fields and Ms. Fields sat right on Garrison. It was a breakfast stop. And he was like a mob boss. He'd be sitting in there.

Starting point is 00:09:16 He got his handkerchief on, the people coming in there. He's reading the newspaper. But everything that's going on around us, he running it. And I'm selling girl at the time. So I'm just like a little hustler to him. And he always used to come hollering me. Hey, man, you want breakfast sandwich on me. So I'm looking at like, I want to be like that name.

Starting point is 00:09:37 You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, like a bus. Like I'm seeing all the girls. And he old though. He's an old man. Like he ain't no young guy. He old. And he just smooth.

Starting point is 00:09:46 What is old? I say skip was probably in his 50s, 60s. I'm talking about like... He was like gangster. Yeah, yeah. Don't play with him, but he was smooth. He was like with everybody in the environment he took care of. And that's kind of, like, watching him hustle kind of like gave me, like, he had that charisma.

Starting point is 00:10:07 The lady, like, if he would tell her everybody can't be in the store, it was sometimes nobody was in the store but him. Store clothes. see Skip in there. Like, how do help Skip get to do that? But can't nobody else do that? Skip taking care of the neighborhood. So he was like my first example of a dope boy. It definitely seems like the Frank Lucas.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah, he was real, like, old school, real, like, detail oriented, if you say. And so now I got the boy. And I got that. And it was kind of harder to penetrate his clock. Because they were like, is it skips? You be like, nah, this is something else? They were like, nah. And like, these was loyal customers.

Starting point is 00:10:56 So out of a day, I probably sell about five pills. And he'd probably sold about $10,000 worth of her, worth of smack. So long story short, I start getting my little, building my little clientele. And around the corner, so my area is Libby Heiss and Garrison. And around the corner is Chelsea and Norfolk and Chelsea in February. Now, this is an extension of Libby Heising Garso. Anybody from around my way or say, I'm from Libby Heisen Garrison, but everybody don't be on Libby Heisen Garrison.

Starting point is 00:11:29 They might be on Chelsea and Norfolk or they, in another hood, within Libby Heising, Garrison, Oakville. So within a block, so raw dope, which is different than Scramble Dole, two different volumes. it's like a Honda and the other one is a AMG Mercedes. Right.

Starting point is 00:11:52 They're just two different levels. So I've seen this dope boy. But while I'm doing this thing up Liberty Heights, it's other dope boys around the corner who's selling raw dope. They're selling half a grams for $50. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:12:07 Right. One player is $50, $100 slabs type stuff. We're selling $10 pills. Right. So it's a difference. So, long story short, these guys used to come up there in the morning, and, man, they're pulling up. And then at this time, they're in GS430s, they're in all the Ackeracoups, different colors, different flavors.

Starting point is 00:12:31 They jumping out with throwback jersey. I'm like, who the fuck is these guys? And these guys around the corner. And come to find out, they're the dope boys. But they're selling raw dope. Right. You know what I mean? I'm selling scramble dope at the time.

Starting point is 00:12:45 And so I'm kind of looking like, like when they jump out, it's like y'all little niggins. They look at that Skip like Skip 8. Get a little 10,000 a day. We're making $50,000 a day around here. So it was my guy, Jeezy, Hill, and Grippy. They was like, these guys probably like four or five years older than me. How old were you? At that time, I was probably like 13, 14.

Starting point is 00:13:11 Jeez. Okay. Yeah. I thought you were in your 20s by now by this one. No. No, no. I was like 13, 14 at that time. Yeah, because I went to prison at 16.

Starting point is 00:13:22 I made it. I was in the yard at 17. Jeez, okay. So, long story short, man, they used to come up there and he had this when Jacob watches. Like, they was wearing Prada and Gucci in the early, like, 2001-99. The shit that we're doing now, they was doing back then. Rolex watches.

Starting point is 00:13:43 they was wearing that shit back then so I was like, yo, these are they was like rappers and they were smoking purple haze like these was like real shit you see in an urban novel type shit. Right.

Starting point is 00:13:57 Like this is the real deal. They got pit bulls like these niggas. They jumping out 10,000 in their pocket, money falling out like and they're young. So I'm at that time

Starting point is 00:14:11 I'm like 13, 14, 14. and they probably was like 17, 18. But they seemed it so older than me back then. I don't know why, right? So they jumped out and I remember my man and say, yo, if you want some real money, man, you need to come around the corner, Shorty. I like you.

Starting point is 00:14:29 I was like, what's around? They're like, just come out early in the morning, 9 o'clock, meters on the block. So I'm like, all right, cool. So I told my homeboys like, yo, because I had a click, Donnie, Steph, Hyde, Da Vinci, Little B, all of us was in the same age bracket, right? But everybody couldn't come on Chelsea.

Starting point is 00:14:53 Chelsea was like one of these blocks. Like, this shit was like real deal drug dealing. New Jack City drug dealing. You're not coming on there unless you were part of what's going on on there. Other than that, you're from the neighborhood, but you could go up Liberty Heights and Garrison. So Liberty Heights and Garrison was like kind of like, where the, I ain't gonna say the stragglers could go, but where the young guys could go.

Starting point is 00:15:19 Chelsea is where business is conducted. That's how I always looked at it. So when they told me I could come around there, you know, I tell my guys like, yo, shit, they told me I could come around Chelsea. They like, for real? I'm like, yeah. They like, go around there.

Starting point is 00:15:35 I went around Chelsea, 9 o'clock in the morning, man. All these cars pull up. I'm talking about big shit. G.H. 430s. The disease. Remember the Z's back in the day? Disease pulling up. The Acker recruits.

Starting point is 00:15:50 And they're out. And they're like, yeah, a little spotty. Bob, blah, about coming to house. Come in the house. Like, this is a real. The pit bulls in the basement. They've got the treadmills where the pit bulls run. I'm like, yo, this shit.

Starting point is 00:16:03 They got the flat screens. There's a bitch sleep on the... And I'm like, pretty girl, too. She's out. I'm like, yo, this shit. Don't. So they like, yeah, yo, this is what you're going to do. Yo, 9 o'clock, you got to be outside on time.

Starting point is 00:16:17 We're going to, I'm going to give you some packs. Now, mind you, I'm used to getting packs, $100 packs, $60, 40, stuff like that. So they're like, I'm going to give you some packs and make sure you out here. So I'm like, all right, what I'm going to be selling? You selling 40s. 40s? They like, yeah, half a gram. We got half a grams for 40.

Starting point is 00:16:37 So I said, all right, cool. Boom, they get me the pack. 10 G packs $1,000 packs though This $10,000 worth a smack Right So boom, you know, I get it Go in the house, look at it like

Starting point is 00:16:52 Damn, this is what This is what it looked like, right? And it smelled like Vannegea, it just got this strong odor And I never forget I went outside 9 o'clock No, I got out there early It was like 830, and when I got out there

Starting point is 00:17:08 It was already, it was like, People out there already lingering around. I go in the store, I got me some coffee, drunk my coffee, and all the people out. It's like as 9 o'clock was getting closer, the crowd of people start getting more and more. So, boom, the person who was like kind of like my lieutenant, he pulled up. Yo, Spada, you brought up? You ready? I'm like, yeah, he like going to alley.

Starting point is 00:17:37 Boom. I go in the alley. And he's just like, full. in the alley. And, yo, when I was like, it was so many people that came in the alley and I'm just getting this, putting the money in my pocket, getting this putting the money in my pocket.

Starting point is 00:17:51 By the time, I said for like, I was serving them for probably like 10 minutes. By the time I was done, it was like 5,000 gone. And mind you, that wasn't it. That was my first hour out. And I'm like, yo, I got to put some, that going to house put the money up, going house put the money up.

Starting point is 00:18:10 I come back outside is more people. So now the other five packs, they're gone. And I'm like, this shit is a different level of money. I'm like, yeah, I ain't never seen. So that day I went in the house. I went in the house with $1,000 in my pocket. You know what I mean? That was my pay.

Starting point is 00:18:28 You know what I mean? So, you know, the next day, I'm like, I'm back out here. Why are their customers different? I understand. Like, are they? And why so early? A lot of people don't know about Baltimore. Baltimore is like a

Starting point is 00:18:42 in capital. That's where you really fit sign real addicts fit fettiwap. You know what that is. But Baltimore always been known

Starting point is 00:18:54 for dope. It's a dope city. Right. And a lot of people don't know but that's the volume that is flowing in there. It flows like that. Right.

Starting point is 00:19:06 It's legendary people who've been created off of drugs in Baltimore. Like the shit that we be listening to, like, it'd be real people doing it out there and it's organized. So how long you do this? So you're going back every day? Yeah, I was going back every day. So let me tell you what happened.

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Starting point is 00:21:07 said I was getting, right? So one day I was just like, I waited until I got a large amount of smack from him. And I was like, you know what? I ain't going to keep asking for it. I'm going to take it. And I was like, I went to my crew. I was like, yo, I'm about to take this shit. Because my uncle had a store and we knew exactly where to go to make the raw and to scramble.

Starting point is 00:21:35 because raw is uncut, scramble. You diggin't I'm saying? So I was like, well, shit, if I take this amount and I cut it, I could stretch it to this amount, and then I could feed me and my peers. And I ain't got to work for them. I could work for myself. And at this time, I was probably like 15, 16, and I took them off. I took all the dope that they gave me.

Starting point is 00:22:01 I felt like I took it, like, because I felt like that y'all wasn't respecting me. Because David D's was some wild dudes, man. Like, they was, they was wild. They was doing a lot of shit, the motherfuckers, and they had fear in people. So I kind of felt like, man, it's the only way they're going to respect me if I take it because I can't keep asking them.

Starting point is 00:22:19 You know, I got to take it. You don't think that your cut is as good as it's supposed to be. Is that it? Like, they are giving you, like, 40%? No, it wasn't. Yeah, like, it was like they was trying to pet me. Okay. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:22:31 I started seeing like, well, damn, I just made him like 20,000. And they're giving you like a grand. Yeah. Right. It's like, yo, can I buy, can I buy in? Can I, how can I make more? Because it's like, if I get caught, I'm the hitter.

Starting point is 00:22:44 Yeah. Everything's depending on me. I got to be out of there every morning at 9 o'clock from 9 o'clock. Now at this time in Baltimore, we had task force that was like vicious. You had Oakey. We had, um, Russia. We had, uh, Baskett. Like, these are real drug task force dirty crime.

Starting point is 00:23:05 These were for the guys that got me. These are the deers that created that are policing. These was way worse. And so it was like, yo, I'm doing all this shit, running from the police, jumping the knockas jumping out on me. I'm running. I'm getting away from them. And I'm getting locked up.

Starting point is 00:23:25 My grandma keep coming to get me on. But I'm still coming to the block. 9 o'clock in the morning. Bro, I need more. You'd been arrested several times at this? Yeah. Hell yeah, I got arrested. Oh, you're going to get arrested in Baltimore.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Oh, yeah. I might got arrested for white weed, but it's because I'm on that block. And this block is just a target. Yeah. Right. So long story short, I was like, you know what, y'all? I'm going to take this shit. Right.

Starting point is 00:23:54 They ain't going to respect me. And that entire 50 cent came out. Like, I'm listening to 50 every day DMX and all that shit. And I'm just like, brough. Like, you know, I'm a. fan of pot. Right. I'm like,

Starting point is 00:24:07 bro, they ain't going fucking, like, if I'm going to do this street shit, I can't play.

Starting point is 00:24:12 And I got this my name, and I know my worth. So I'm like, I'm taking this shit. So all my team, like, you really going to take it

Starting point is 00:24:20 from them? Like, you don't got the resources they got. I'm like, yo, we're going to take it. We're going to scramble

Starting point is 00:24:25 this shit up because if we scramble it, we could quadruple it and we're going going to go down the projects down Winchester.

Starting point is 00:24:31 So my team is like, fuck it. Let's take that shit. And I took it. So the next morning, you know, my phone banging, yo, where are you at? And I'm like, I ain't answering.

Starting point is 00:24:44 First, I didn't tell them I took it. I just was ignoring the calls. And all right, but I, like, so people in my neighborhood calling me like, yo, you know, they're looking for you. Danny B. And they're looking for you, they're looking for you, spot dog. So I'm like, and shit. Man, tell them shit.

Starting point is 00:25:02 Tell them I say him when I say him. I'm on some, like, catch me if you can, like the gingerbread, man. But I know I'm, like, beefing with grown men. And, like, I'm not playing around with no kids. If they catch me, they're probably going to hurt me. Right. So I'm strapped up. My whole click, we strapped up.

Starting point is 00:25:18 Because all I was doing while I was getting that $1,000, I was buying guns. Right. Because I knew, like, I got to be able to have guns. If I could have guns, I could protect myself against drug dealers because I could instill fear. They don't want this shit to get fucked up. because they want to make their money. So I always had that little angle, like, to get a lot of guns, right?

Starting point is 00:25:42 So my whole team, it was with me, Donnie, crazy, hives and thug. All five of us had a lot of guns. We had at least like 20, 30 guns. So we was like a little arsenal and a little military of our own. These guys have guns too, I'm assuming. They got guns, money, dope, pits, women.

Starting point is 00:26:02 They kept sending a, like, they kept sending a girl calling me, hey, where you at? And I'm like, me and my man look like, they think they slick. So we like, uh, we had subway downtown giving them thinking they pulling out. Why would you have me pull out? I'm like, look, they think. But we was hip. Right.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Like, we hip that y'all going to send all right, by, to come get us, but y'all know our location. So long story short, when I took them off, I went to this area in a city called Winchester apartments. When I get down Winchester, I see a friend that I was. went to school with. And he's like, yo, y'all down here. I could show you around,

Starting point is 00:26:38 show you everything. Because these are Winchester was like, like, their apartment complex, but they was like kind of like project. Right. Projectish. Like Section 8.

Starting point is 00:26:48 Like Section 8 type. You know what I mean? Got the parking lot you pull in, then you got the housing over here. And so I go there. He showed me around. He introduced me to the chicks that live in there and stuff.

Starting point is 00:27:00 And this older chicks she took to me. So she was like, You can come in my house anytime you want. You can stash your gun in here. This is your spot. Now, my view, it's a lot of people that live in this complex. So I had to figure out, like, where can I chill at in a complex?

Starting point is 00:27:15 So she was the, like, the person that let me chill with her. Of course, I'm hitting her. Long story short, we start getting a name for ourselves down there because we start, like, we came out with our own name. We scrambled the dope up. We came out with our own name for the, for the blow we were selling. And we came down there with people that was already in motion of doing stuff. So we, they took us in.

Starting point is 00:27:42 And I would be down there from like 9 o'clock, 9 to 9 down there. And then on a late night, when I knew the guys that I took off was gone, I would go back around my way. So I knew the dope boys gone in the house from 9 to 9. After 9, they gone. So I would be back around Chelsea selling a girl. After nine. Right. But that's when I would get Intel on them.

Starting point is 00:28:09 Because everybody in the hood, like, yo, they're looking for you. They said they're going to kill you when they catch you. They're like, for real. You know what I mean? They're like, yeah, I ain't going to tell them. Because I had the three guys in my neighborhood. They was like my little spies, right? So I was like, damn, man, bop, bop, bamb.

Starting point is 00:28:23 So one morning we was down Winchester and me and my guys like, man, we want Ms. Fields breakfast. But that's in my neighborhood. And it's early in the morning now. So it's the risk is we might bump into the guys just looking for me. Right. Right. So my man, like, man, fuck that shit.

Starting point is 00:28:43 Let's just go up there. We're just going to take all our guns, right? So, boom, we go up there in the morning. One of my friend, my friend and his girl, Donnie and his girl, drop us off. Drop me and highs off. Me and highs, we go in there order our food. As we ordering our food, the door, the door open. Hey, yo, Spotty.

Starting point is 00:29:04 I look, it's the guys I took, it's the guys I took all day. It's all three out. And they got the pit bulls with them. So I'm like, I look at my friend down, my heart like throbbing like, so they like, yo, so I'm like, I be out there. So I look at my man, my man, he, he, he tall. So he's like six, seven, right? I'm like, yo, what I'm gonna do? You like, man.

Starting point is 00:29:31 Because we like, yo, we, we try, it's only, we got to go. out to see them at, do we get out food? Yeah. And they outside with three pit bulls, leaning on a car. And it's just like, call Donnie and tell Donnie to pull up, tell his girl that we need to go now. He called him.

Starting point is 00:29:51 Donnie, I'm on my way. The door open again. Yo, come in holl at us. So I'm like, all right, here I come. So now there's like a fight, a flight, reaction. So, because I'm walking out, but my, I got, I got 357 on me, right? 350, no, excuse me, it was a 41 magnum. That's what I had at that time. So soon as I, like, open the doors, like, my first instinct is to whip my gun out and let them know, like, I ain't

Starting point is 00:30:21 going for nothing. Like, y'all, we're going, we're going to shoot it out right here. Boom. And when I whipped the gun, I was like, yo, what's up, man? Man, what the fuck you got your dog for? And they, they pulled the dogs, bad. They like, yo, Yo, chill. I'm like, ain't no fucking shit. So now it was kind of like, I put fear in them. And I was like shot. They was like, yo, it ain't got to be like that.

Starting point is 00:30:42 They're trying to compromise with me. So I'm like, it was kind of make me like go harder. Like, man, fuck y'all. Y'all ain't pay me the money. I took this shit. This day and the third. So my man, he's behind me. He's his gun out too.

Starting point is 00:30:54 So Donnie pulled up. He jumped out with his gun out. And when I seen like, oh, oh, these guys, my guys. right. They were willing to bang it out. So they was like, yo, damn it's like that, y'all? We was like, yeah, it's like that.

Starting point is 00:31:10 It was like, oh, you know, 80. And they walked off. We jumped in the car and pulled off. And like, when we jumped in the car, we was like, they all looked at me like, yo, that's a different side of you right there. I was like, yo, I was like, shit, I ain't going to let them hurt me.

Starting point is 00:31:26 And we went down Winchester. And when we went down Winchester, it was like, you know, I just start trapping down there. Like I had a little, because it's like they backed up off me. And the boss man called me. The boss man called me like, yo, just chill, shorty. You good. This than the third.

Starting point is 00:31:47 Like, you are all right. You know, we ain't worrying about that. We owe to you that anyway. I was like, oh, all right, man. Because the boss man, the one that really liked me. He took a lightened to me. But his little guys was the one like, Jai, bullying me, right? because I was younger than them.

Starting point is 00:32:01 So now I'm down Winchester, and where things took a turn was, like, people start being jealous of me down there because we're not from there. We some guys from Libby Highson who came there, and then we got, like, all the girls like us, because we were some fly guys. Like, we was ahead of our time back.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Then we stayed fresh, and we was, like, I was, what, 16, Danny was like, 18, Hise is like... Making me want to rewatch a New Jack City, by the way. Yeah, like, we was young. That's just what... That's what's playing in my head. Yeah, we was young, and it was like...

Starting point is 00:32:41 My parents and my grandmother of them gave up on... They gave up on me, like, 13, 14. It was like, yo, like, this how you want to live? And it's like, I was living on my own at, like, 14. I'm living with Donnie and Housin. And, like, we got our own little spot. So I'm living on my own very early. My grandma would have been like,

Starting point is 00:33:04 if that's what you want to do, she gave me an option. If you want to do that, you can't be here. Right. And I was like, well, all right. And I left because that's what I wanted to do, right? And I would always just go with my grandma's house, chill with a visit, eat, get food, and go back in the streets. Because she was just like, I gave up on him.

Starting point is 00:33:23 And I'm like, I'm going to make it. I'm going to get me some money and I'm going to make it. That was just my thing. I ain't had no guy. I ain't had no dad. Like, I ain't really had nobody to really tell me because my granddad just wasn't a verbal. He wanted them old.

Starting point is 00:33:37 You tell him you love him. You'd be like, all right. He was just one of them old stern type guys. So that's where I got my guidance from was being around these older guys in the street. So around Winchester, we started creating a little jealousy, right? So one time, it was a group of guys from another. neighborhood and they came around our neighborhood and they're like, yo, that guy y'all be with

Starting point is 00:34:06 is a snitch. So we're like, who? And they like, they say his name, right? And I'm like, this is the guy that showed me around the whole, showed me the whole layout of the projects that I'm in. Like, this is my friend. I go to school with this guy. And I'm like, bro, he ain't, you show here, right?

Starting point is 00:34:25 Yo, he's like, I'm going to bring the paperwork. Oh, he come up there. And he told, he got. somebody house raided. He got locked up and gave some information that led to somebody's house getting raided. And I'm like, damn, he did, like, we're looking like, he's like, yeah, and y'all hang out with him. And we like, yo, we got to do something to him. I mean, we got to get them from around us, right? Right. And the next, very next morning, guess who popped up? He did. We out there. We used to wake up early in the morning, have our little blunt cipher.

Starting point is 00:34:56 And we're sitting out there in the projects. It's like probably like eight o'clock in the morning. we smoking and he come out. When he come up, my guy, he looked at me like, like, yeah, we need to jump on his ass and get him away. So we like, I'm like, bro, I just want to ask you like, what's the situation which you telling on the situation about somebody house getting raided? So he's like, no, man, I got locked up and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

Starting point is 00:35:27 And as he explaining itself, my friend, popped them and they get to fighting. Now, this guy ain't no chunk. I mean, he did what he did, right? But he ain't no sucker. So he gets to, like, handling my friend. Like, so I hit him in the head with the brum stick.

Starting point is 00:35:48 So when I hit him in the head with the brum stick, he's like, oh, now my friend slammed him. Boom. Now we stomping him. I'm smacking him with the grumstick. He run off. He runs off. So, like, everybody laughing.

Starting point is 00:36:00 Like, we like, and you better not come back. down here, nigga. So now their hood is like, we really like them guys because now the neighborhood come out like, yeah, we handle that. It took somebody from another neighborhood

Starting point is 00:36:12 to come down here and get y'all hood together. So now it kind of gave us like a higher status in the hood, right? So that same day around, so that happened around like 8 o'clock in the morning. So around like 12-ish, 1 o'clock, ice cream truck come out. I never forget this day.

Starting point is 00:36:33 It was real hot outside, right? It was one of them hazy days, and that's the day we whipped his ass early in the morning. Right. Right. So we outside, ice cream truck come. The little kids come, hey, can I have some money to go to ice cream truck? So I'm like, come on, guys, let's go.

Starting point is 00:36:49 My, I got a pack of kids with me. So now we're on the street outside of the projects. So I'm at the ice cream truck with the kids. And I never forget, it was a Monte Carlo light. right up at the top of the block and it was just like standing there and I heard it rumming like woo

Starting point is 00:37:07 woo so I mind you I kind of because I was high I forgot what I did earlier right so I'm just like what the fuck is he up there doing I'm doing you know people got them drag

Starting point is 00:37:19 cause they do you know it's him? No you just know it's a car no I just know it's a car up there right and it sparked a little suspicion the car comes racing down the block Voo

Starting point is 00:37:28 my head fly me and the kids and turn in the parking lot and go into projects. So I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with them? So I'm like, that's probably somebody in the projects. You know what I mean? He's stunting out. So a little kid, another kid, he come running like, yo, Donnie and them,

Starting point is 00:37:48 they got a machete. So it's the guy that we beat up and another big black Jamaican guy, right? now they're fighting my they fighting my man like when i all i seen was a fight one guy fighting my friend hires and the other one is fighting dine the big guy the the jamaican guy right so long story short and they have a a machete yeah yeah they got he scrapped up right so long story short you mean a machete like a the big knife the machete okay yeah yeah they got the knife But you guys have guns.

Starting point is 00:38:30 At the time, they stash. Oh, okay. We got to get to the gun. Right. Right. So I never forgot. I ran and I looked high as in his eyes. And he like, he just shook his head at me.

Starting point is 00:38:46 Like, yeah, you know what time it is. And I dipped off and I went and got my gun. And when I went and got my gun, I came back. When I came back to the scene, the Jamaican guy and died. Johnny was in the struggle. It was like this guy was about to chop his damn head off, right? So immediately, of course, I got to get him off my man. And I get the firing him up.

Starting point is 00:39:10 He, ah, right? He dropped the machete. Run around the passenger side. And now I'm chasing him. Boom, boom. But at this time, this is a big gun I'm busing. It's a four or five. No, was it a revolver?

Starting point is 00:39:26 What type of gun that I had? It might have been a revolver. It was a big gun. It was so loud that the first shot, like, had my ear like, do- So during the course of me shooting him, I'm like damn their death. So as I run around, he fall in his car and he grabbed his gun. So I'm coming around to the door and I'm, and he went about, he shoot a couple times, but it didn't hit me. And I just let the whole thing go on him.

Starting point is 00:39:55 Boom, boom, boom. And it was just smoke. And he done. And do you know the guy to introduce to the project? Yo, that's my government name. I haven't known.

Starting point is 00:40:15 Till this day, I can hear it. And I'm like, and it's like, everything starts going slow. Everybody, I turned around, everybody looking at me like, yo, you're the truth, bro.

Starting point is 00:40:29 And everybody like, run. Boom. So it's like, it's like, it's like, shit, stop. after the shots went

Starting point is 00:40:37 and I was just standing there looking and my man like, yo, run! And we all take all, so it's probably like 20 guys running because now we hear sirens. We hit sirens and helicopters.

Starting point is 00:40:50 So as I'm running, I split through an alley. My first thing to do is what? Get the gun off me, right? So I never forget, when I was running, it was my man in the wheelchair. He was right beside me like this.

Starting point is 00:41:02 There was somebody in a wheelchair. Yeah, it was like, It was like, you remember the Snoot Dog video when Snoot? Remember they was running, then they turned into dogs. Okay. If you see that scene, that was us running. But we all running. It's like, I'm running with the whole projects is running with me.

Starting point is 00:41:17 Okay. Right. And the guy in the wheelchair, like, he flying. Like, he next to me like, yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, boom, I stop. So he like, piss on your hand. So I piss.

Starting point is 00:41:30 I take me on, piss. He's like, it's going to get the gunpowder off. I piss on my hand. and he like, give me the strap. So I'm like, he like, give it to me because mind you, we had helicopters now. So I'm like, huh, boom. He turned and he gone.

Starting point is 00:41:46 So boom, we come out to alley and it's a Chinese store right here so I come out to alley running the Chinese store. I came to a Chinese store, I'm like, my man getting in there. He like, yo, he did. So I'm like, no. I'm like, yo, he was yelling out my name.

Starting point is 00:42:00 He's like, I know, bro. So now we kind of, because we hear, cyber and we hear, The guy. We hit, we, we, you killed the big guy, not the other guy with the, um. Not the little, yeah, I killed the big guy. Okay, the big guy. But the guy who, the guy who cooperated is still around.

Starting point is 00:42:18 Yes, I didn't kill a snitch. Right. So now I'm really like, I mean, why are you been running at all? I mean, you might as well just run straight to the police station. You're done. Okay. That's all I keep telling me. I fucked up, bro.

Starting point is 00:42:30 But you also, but you also have. I'm like, I'm like, we ain't have enough. I'm like because when I clicked it, I'm like, damn. And then as he yelling my name, he's saying, Ivan, I'm clicking it at. Click, click, click, click. And that's when my man tapped me like, yo, get out of here. First of all, it seems like, it seems like, I was a 16 year old with a gun. But it also seems like it's possibly self-defense, too.

Starting point is 00:43:01 You went, you went to the aid, you went to the aid of your buddy. My buddy's being attacked by a guy with a knife. This is how I got, only got 10 years for this. Okay, so go ahead. Sorry, you're in the restaurant. So, no, I'm in the Chinese corner store, hole in the wall. Okay. Chin Chong, ghetto store, right?

Starting point is 00:43:17 So I'm in there, and they heard the shots. Yeah. So when I come in there, I had blood on me. Like, splatted blood was still on my shirt. Right. So I come in the store. It's not good. It's a whole bad situation.

Starting point is 00:43:29 Yeah, I'm like, yo, I got to get the shirt off. And I'm taking my shirt. I need another soap. So you're like, no, get out. Get out. So she y'all lets get out, but I'm scared to go out because the police is all around is already looking for a shooting suspect, right?

Starting point is 00:43:43 So my man, like, I'm like, yo, we got split up. He's like, oh, just take my shirt off and he gave me his shirt. And he like, I got another shirt on underneath this. So he had a tank top on, so he gave me his shirt. So when we leave out the Chinese store, he go this way, I go this way. I run back to the alley because I'm, like, hitting back streets. But I'm so scared because the helicopter is right there.

Starting point is 00:44:04 Like, it's right, it's circling. But it probably don't pick up because I changed my clothes. So it probably didn't pick up on my description. And they probably wasn't, they probably was looking for somebody older. So I never forget, it's a girl name. If she could see this, her name is Dranea. And I was like 14. I was like 16 and she had to be like 15, right?

Starting point is 00:44:29 I was walking down the street. And the police came like, Two police cars came riding slow. And I was like, oh, fuck. Because I had to get to the next corner and they just stopped at the corner. Now, mind you, I'm a shooting suspect. Something tells me like to whip my phone out. I had a little, remember at the time?

Starting point is 00:44:50 Yeah. I whipped my phone out, get on it. Yeah, oh, you live right here? Drenna is sitting on her porch. So I'm like, yeah, you live right there? So I'm like, hey, can I come up there? But my ear, but the police is at the corner. I come up there.

Starting point is 00:45:04 She's like, I'm like, yo, it's an emergency. My people just got killed. I really need the car. I'm stranded. She was like, that was you just? I was like, yes, my people just got, she was like, come on up. So I walk up on a porch and she was like, look, my mother about to leave out. I'm just telling you my friend from school.

Starting point is 00:45:21 Like she was just hip, like an angel. She was like, boom. So the police now, it's like they see me. And now they're coming down, they're turning up her block, riding slow. And I'm like, oh, man, here they come. So it's a car in Baltimore called The Ghosts. When you hear about the Ghost, the Ghost was a Crown Victoria, right? Like a 90s Crown Victoria that all white.

Starting point is 00:45:45 When you see that car, you know it's homicide detectives, right? So the ghost come up the block and he's riding slow. This girl, she like, like, as they coming up, I'll hug. I'm like, I'm gone. She jumped on my lap and sit on my lap on a lap. on the porch. And when they come, they stop at her porch, and he take the light like this.

Starting point is 00:46:08 And he go right in my face with the light. She, and she go like this, like, and he pulled off. She's like, oh, my God. They got, they're gone. So she's like, look, yo, what, like, what you want me to do? Like, what are you going to do? I'm like, man, I got to call people. I'm calling everybody.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Nobody answering the phone. You know, the last, you know, the only person I got to call now, my mother. Right? So I'm like, I got to call my mother. So I'm like, mom, I just got into something. This day and the third. Somebody just got killed. My friend, I'm making it like it wasn't me.

Starting point is 00:46:50 Yeah. They flew down there. So her, my stepfather, my little brother, they get in. So when they get in, they're like, my little brother just look, he said, did you kill somebody? No. So I'm like, no. I'm like, nah. So my, you know, my mother like, what, what happened?

Starting point is 00:47:09 So I'm like, man, I'm like, man, it's a lot, ma. So we go home and I tell my mother what happened. And she's like, well, you know, you can't stay here. So she's like, you just, you know, you can stay at night. And then, you know, in the morning you got to go. And that morning I left. Now I can't go down. Winchester because homicide is looking for me down there.

Starting point is 00:47:37 So you know, it seems like you can't be in the city. Right. I got to go back in my neighborhood. That's the only place that I know to go is in my neighborhood, but I didn't whip out guns on these guys around there, right? So I get back in my neighborhood and one of the guys that was looking for me, see me. And he like, because they didn't heard that I did something out. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:57 Because in Baltimore small, so the word spread, yo, he just spanced out and blew somebody down Winchester. So when I came back in my neighborhood, they didn't already heard about it. So, you know, they like, yo, we ain't worried about that, yo, bop, bop. Because they know, like, you got bigger fish to fry. They're looking for you. I'm on the news now, right?

Starting point is 00:48:17 So when I get up there, my man Grippy, he like, he like, yo, you got to lay low, yo. My initial dude, oh, he's like, surely, like, they're looking at me like, like, yo, you need deep in it now, baby boy. And you young. He's like, but, yo, you got to lay low. bro, because you're going to need a lawyer for that case.

Starting point is 00:48:36 So I never forget that same day as me and I'm talking, this guy, he come walking past drunk. It was like death was just calling. He come walking past drunk. And he bumped me. And I'm like, boom. So I'm like, yo, say excuse me. He's like, nigger, what you think you tough little nigger?

Starting point is 00:48:58 And I'm like, yo, go, mind you, the night. I just did this to this person. Now, here it is again. Now I got, and I'm like, so my man Hi, is like, yo, chill. So he like, no, yo, nigger think he got a little name for itself. And so I'm like, yo, what the, I'm like, what the, I'm like, what, nigga? He's like, yeah, you think you got a little name? I popped him.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Wow. And I'm like, motherfucker. You know, I'm like, I'm the guy, I kill you, you know what I mean? And I popped him, we get to fight in. And my other man, we banked them. I mean, we stomp this dude brains in, right? And we stopped his brains and he run off. I go in Miss Fields and everybody just looking in me like, you can't be in here.

Starting point is 00:49:40 The police is looking for you. And I'm like, damn, like, where the fuck I'm going to go? So I decided to start camping out at the hotel, right? So now the girls, so all three of my friends, Donnie, Stafford, Hyes, and, well, Thug was locked up. It's me and Donnie together. and a few guys from Winchester, they're coming out in my hotel because I need to still make money,

Starting point is 00:50:06 you know what I mean? So they come into the hotel and they just like, yo, like they telling me what's going on, like, yo, he and I see you. So I'm like, he's still living? I'm like, yeah, they're like, yeah, but he might not make his body.

Starting point is 00:50:19 So I'm like, fuck. So now I'm just like, damn he ain't he dead. You know what I mean? I'm like, he's rage. So now I'm like, yo, I got to either finish this job Oh, I'm going to prison. That was my mentality.

Starting point is 00:50:35 The other guy was there. You're going to prison no matter what. He was there. So I'm thinking now I got to go kill him. Both of them got to go. So, you know, I had a rule. None of my friends could talk about what I did. Right?

Starting point is 00:50:50 So one day, I come in a hotel, mind you. Now we like, the girls like us. Because, like, I did this shit in front of everybody. So they're like, yo, y'all are the real deal. So the girls is like coming to the hotel, bringing us food. So my friend, I told him, I said, yo, don't be talking about the case around these girls. So one day I went to the mall because the mall was across from the hotel. Went to the mall, get some tennis and stuff.

Starting point is 00:51:19 I come back to the room and I heard them talking. I listen. And he's just in there talking. He's telling her, yeah, he bragging. He braggatios. And I was like, you know, why is he giving out information like this? But he's like his ego is out. I walk in.

Starting point is 00:51:38 I say, yo, why are you? I said, let me holler at you. Like, what's up? I'm like, why are you talking like that, bro? I'm like, I told you, don't nobody supposed to know where we get. He's like, yo, there ain't nobody, bro. We good. And I had another rule.

Starting point is 00:51:52 You can't call your family or anybody from his telephone. because it's traceable, right? This was supposed to be my OG at the time, or my big homie, he was doing the opposite. He had the girls in the car. He was telling him all my business. This is like, that's my little man. Yeah, he's hard.

Starting point is 00:52:12 He a killer. And the girl's like, for real? Like, hey, he. So he's telling all my business to her. And I ain't feeling him, right? Now, I already had an incident. They saved his life and I didn't. I ain't go in that order, but I gave him a pass before because he had sex with my girl.

Starting point is 00:52:35 And I was going to kill him about that. I was one of them guys. Like, I grew up watching, I looked up to Carlo Gambino growing up. I was young reading about Carlo Gambino, Lucky Luciano. So I always had that mindset. Like, if you violate certain rules, you got to go. and he had sex with my girl before and I tried to kill him.

Starting point is 00:52:59 I was going to kill him and my friends in my neighborhood made it look like, yo, you're about to kill your man over a girl and it wasn't even about the girl, it was the principal. So that was like, check one with him. So the check two is when he's doing this in the hotel.

Starting point is 00:53:13 So I was like, yo, this guy has out loose lips, yo. I'm like, he talked too much and he's, the girls like him. But I'm like, that could be detrimental. So I consulted with my other brother Hise and I'm like, bro, I ain't feeling him, bro. And he like, yo, that's bro. And I'm like, I just ain't feeling him, right? And long story short, when before I was making my plans of getting rid of him, right?

Starting point is 00:53:45 Before I could get rid of him, the hotel got raided by the police, the apprehension task force. And he got me for a first degree attempt murder. How'd that happen? Because that guy? No, I know. Were you sleeping? Yeah, okay, so how did that happen?

Starting point is 00:54:02 He was calling the hotel, calling his mom house from the hotel. Right. They wound up raiding houses and getting the hotel location off the call ID. Okay. That led to them coming to the hearing that I was at the hotel. So that morning, early in the morning, we had a boom, boom. Boom, boom, at the door, we get up. And I still had the, I had the weapon.

Starting point is 00:54:31 The same weapon that you gave the wheelchair guy? Yeah. You got it back? Yeah, I got it back from him. That seems like a bad idea. It was a bad idea. It was very bad. But I'm young at the time, and that was like, the gun was so hard, I didn't want to get rid of it.

Starting point is 00:54:47 I was like, shit, I'm going to use this again, right? So I had it. And when they hit the door, you know, we scrambling. family in the hotel, but I luckily got lifted and threw it in there. So they didn't get it, right? They come in there, they whipped out my picture. They like, Ivan Potts and Donnie Jackson, and they took me and him because we were the two suspects.

Starting point is 00:55:12 I was a juvenile. He was an adult. When we got to the jail, well, first they took me to homicide and tried to get me to tell about the situation. I pissed on the table. They fuck me up. You know, I'm like, I ain't snitching this than the third. They say you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're

Starting point is 00:55:30 going to, you're going to, you say you're pissed on the table? I'm, I mean, literally pissed on the table. Literally, literally, literally, they was mad. Because they had me in there, they had me in there for literally like five hours. Oh, so you, oh, yeah. It was like, you know, I was just like, yo, they ain't respecting me. They like, I'm a kid, they like, we're going to, we're going to give you life for this. And then shut the door.

Starting point is 00:55:52 And I'm just like, I fall asleep, wake up. They're like, you're still not ready? They bring me the paper. He's in there telling on you. And I'm like, bro, just take me to the jail. Right. And they just got to the point. Like, I got pissed him off.

Starting point is 00:56:06 So I pissed on the table. And when they pissed on the table, he come in there. All right, man. I bring what you, I bring what you, asks me. And he comes in there like, what the fuck? And they fucked me up and took me to the jail. Yeah. That's exactly how I went.

Starting point is 00:56:20 So now I'm learning about this shit called But it's a juvenile section. And the adult jail called L section. Now, these are all the juvenile defendants that's charged this adult. So everybody in this jail has a tent murder, murder. Other than that, you go to the little training schools. Right. Because you're a juvenile, right?

Starting point is 00:56:41 But in order to get the L section, you have an attempt murder. You have to do a surge crime. Right, right. Donnie goes to adult jail, which is, and at the time, Baltimore City jail had sections. L section was the juvenile section. You had K and J was underneath us. You had N and O was on the other side.

Starting point is 00:57:02 This jail was built like the projects. It was tears. Literally looked like the projects inside the walls. These was like old school penitentiary jail. The bar, the CO at the top of the tear, got to hit the box. The bars open. It's like eight mile. And then you shut, boom.

Starting point is 00:57:20 This is how this jail was built. So this was a jail was built. Like, probably was one of the most historical jails in America. They just tore it down. So this jail was like the concrete jungle of Baltimore, right? So now I'm in this jail, and my man ain't with me. And this is my first time in the jail. I'd have been a juvenile little boys' village in Hickey,

Starting point is 00:57:40 but this is, you want to go away the criminals at? Now you got what you asked for. So I get on the tear, and I came on the tier nighttime. And mind you, I got locked up. I had my Vince Carter jersey on. I was fresh. My throwback jersey. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:57:58 My round this time was Anichi and academic. I had my academic jeans on and my, my Vince Carter Boings. And they just came out. So I get on the tear and I get in the, get in myself. I'm with this big young guy. He came on the tear too. So when you first get on the tear, you got to go on quarantine. You have to be on quarantine for like two weeks.

Starting point is 00:58:19 And then you could go in general population. as a juvenile. But mind you, anybody could come up to your cell because they boss. So a person could just come up to your cell and it's irrelevant. So the quarantine's irrelevant. Yeah, it's irrelevant.

Starting point is 00:58:32 So long story short, I had a cell buddy name Big Baby. This kid was like six, nine. He was literally like an undertaker, but he was like 15. And he got locked up for some like selling drugs or any beats somebody.

Starting point is 00:58:51 up, like some type of, he had a petty case. And he was my cell buddy, and we met each other. He was from the same Ari. I was from, he was from Park Heights. I was from across the tracks. And the next morning, the guys came around to feed up. So now they're seeing all the new guys that's on quarantine. And they fed me up and they're looking at my stuff like, oh, oh, fresh.

Starting point is 00:59:16 So as we eating breakfast, people come in. walking past myself. Little bit, it's my first time in this type of environment, so I don't know that they're, like, they sizing me up. So they walking past myself. When do you stop? He said, hey, yo, where you from? I said, I'm from Libby and Garrison.

Starting point is 00:59:36 He said, oh, all right? He said, what size you were? So I'm like, what's you mean what size I was? He's like, what size you're in? So I'm like, your size. So he's like, you slit and walk off. Boom. So I'm like, mind you, I'm like, asking myself like, why the fuck he asked me what size I wear?

Starting point is 00:59:58 He like, I heard, yo, they be trying to take people's shoes and stuff. Like, I don't know. So I'm like, fuck he's going to take my shoes for, bro. He like, baby job, like, he don't know because he's like, I don't know. That's what I heard. Because, of course, in the city you hear stories about the jail. Yeah. So feed-up came.

Starting point is 01:00:22 Again, now this is lunchtime. We ate our breakfast. This is lunch. Feed-up, Kyle. I hear him say, feed-up. That's what they say in Baltimore. Feed-up. So, you know, I get up.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Ah, yeah, time to eat. Go to my cell, all the things open. Boom. He coming around because the feed-up man carried the trees and the trees are stacked up. So he coming around with the trays everybody getting their tray. You get to me, I get my tray. I grab him.

Starting point is 01:00:55 As soon as I turned around, like, three guys bum rush me. Boom, I knocked my tray over. And they're attacking me, right? So I'm fighting. And as I'm fighting one guy, one guy going grabbing all my shit, he grabbing my shit. Mind you, I got the tennis on that they want. One guy I grabbed my leg. He trying to take my shoe off.

Starting point is 01:01:14 So I'm fighting. And I'm fighting this big black. guy and I'm a little guy right so we we brawling or whatever and um the whole time they were stabbing me but I didn't know mind you I didn't know I was getting stabbed right while I was fighting um my I remember my shoe slipped into the bullet so now my my foot is in the toilet and one foot is on the floor but they didn't got my right shoe off and I'm I'm fighting and the CEO is standing here watching it why do you do you? guys doing this, right?

Starting point is 01:01:50 So I'm like, and my cell buddy is this big-ass guy. He's so terrified. He's on the bunk with his fucking knees in his chest. So I'm fighting, I'm fighting. They couldn't get my shoe so the seal like, all right, that's enough, y'all. That's enough. And they leave out. They didn't get my shoe.

Starting point is 01:02:05 The other dude threw the shoe at me. Bitch-haass, nigger. The shoe smacked me on my face. Wow. So I'm like, yo, this is embarrassing, right? So I'm like, and I'm looking at the CO like, yo, you ain't. Stop this from happening to me. So it's like my energy just went to the CO.

Starting point is 01:02:24 And I spazzed on him. And he just had to hurry up and shut the cell. Like, boom. And I'm spazzed. I'm spitting on them. I'm spazzing out. And I was just soaring the rage. I turned around, pop myself, buddy.

Starting point is 01:02:35 Man, him going to put myself, buddy. Mind you, this is a big kid. I couldn't do nothing with him. Yeah. Them little heads, I was, pips. He was like, oh, just chill out. Chill, chill, chill, you bleed. Like, you're bleeding.

Starting point is 01:02:49 So I'm like, I'm bleeding. So I looked. I had a cut on my chest, like, right? It's something up here. Yeah. I had this on my arm right there. It hit me back here. They, where's that?

Starting point is 01:03:10 Do you try to slice my wrist right here? You know what I mean? And Mike, I didn't know because it was so deep. that it was at the white meat. And, um, you my cell body like, yo, you like,

Starting point is 01:03:24 but I'm like, if I go to the hospital, they're going to put me on protected custody. Right. So I'm like, but he's like, yo, you're bleeding.

Starting point is 01:03:33 So I'm like, shit, go get the toilet paper. So what? You're in protective custody. These guys are stabbing you every time the fucking door opens. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:03:38 but it was like, I wanted revenge. I'm like, I got to get this shit. I got to get back, right? And I'm like, you're going to help me get some get back.

Starting point is 01:03:47 Because everybody, like, giving me my props like y'all let that little guy handle y'all so remind you it was probably like L section had about 200 juveniles on that section so other juveniles is like I like yo you stood up to the big guys so like people was coming up there to see me like yo you are like people was asking like you are right because I was still bleeding but I took so people was like other inmates was coming up there, like giving me gauze, giving me bad situation to put on her, take this to put on.

Starting point is 01:04:22 So I wind up healing up myself, right? And when I came off of quarantine, I came in the cell with Tankhead. Now, Tankhead was big as shit for his age. Like, I still had a little boyfriend. Right. When I came in the cell with him, this motherfucker doing 500 push-ups every day.

Starting point is 01:04:42 He's doing back arms. And he's young. But he's been to be in the cell with him. in the system for years. He just transferred from the juvenile system to the adult juvenile system. So this kid is like, he's institutionalized already. And he got like the biggest head you say to the world, right?

Starting point is 01:05:00 That's my dog, though. But when I got in the cell with him, he's like, yo, you got a heart. He's like, yeah, you got heart, yo. Like, yo, you got to get your weight up. You got to start working out. And when this guy, this kid took his shirt off, I'm like, what the

Starting point is 01:05:16 he diesel, right? Ripped up stomach, six-bed shoulder I'm like, yo, how do you get like that? He's like, I'll be flipping the deck and I drink a lot of water. So I'm like, he's like, I eat all the meals.

Starting point is 01:05:29 You got to eat every meal. When they don't want their meals, when they throw on that stuff, we go get all that. So I'm like, he's like, yeah. He's like, and I make my hookups. So he's teaching me jail living. Right.

Starting point is 01:05:41 So I'm like, I'm new to this. So I'm like, all right, bad. He's like tomorrow. It's like he couldn't wait to get somebody to work out with him. Right. He like tomorrow first thing in the morning, we're going to get up. We're going to eat breakfast. After that, we're going to do about 300 pushups.

Starting point is 01:05:55 So I'm like, all right, mind you, I never worked out a day in my life. So the mall come early in the morning. I'm talking about he institutionalized. Like he up five in the morning. He up sweeping the floor. Like he cleaning his clothes in the toilet. So mind you, I'm used to living on the street. I'm getting up 11 o'clock.

Starting point is 01:06:15 Right. You know, I got this lazy. And especially when I start, like, getting more control over, I don't, I ain't, I'm hustling for myself. I don't got to come out 9 o'clock in the morning, right? So take it. He's just militant. And I never forget, like, he like, yeah, yo, at the breakfasts, we're going to eat, flip

Starting point is 01:06:34 the deck. So I'm like, what the fuck is flip the deck, right? So we eat, he like, yeah, he's like, you ready? He gets doing jumping days. I'm doing my warm up right quick. So I'm like, he's like, you're going to need the warm. He's like, what's flip the deck? He's like, you get them deck of cards from under my bed.

Starting point is 01:06:51 So he got a deck of cards. And on each card, the face cards are 15s. The Joker, the little Joker is 30. The big Joker is 50. The ace is 30 or 40. And then you got the number cards, 10, 9. And so that's how he flipped the deck. He take all 52 cards, shuffle them.

Starting point is 01:07:15 And whatever card flip is what pushups you do. And I got the pride, like, card, the 10th card, I was done. And I was like, how are you doing this? And you're this young. He's like, you got to do it every day. He like, I'm a, I'm a, you good, you good. I'm going to flip the whole deck for you. And he just over there, bumming, he clapping.

Starting point is 01:07:39 And I'm like, what the fuck? But it was kind of inspirational. like, yo, I got to get strong because niggas ain't played with tanking, right? So, um, during the course of being on L section, man, I'm learning the ropes. I'm learning I got to be strong.

Starting point is 01:07:55 I'm learning if somebody jump out there with me, when to lose, go off. Because your reputation is everything. I'm learning like, I'm learning the definition of bravery, being brave. You might get your ass whip. You might lose the fight.

Starting point is 01:08:12 But if somebody call you out, go in the cell and fight them. When, lose a draw. If you don't go in there and fight, it's over for you. Because now you're going to get tortured. Because they was torturing people over there. Like literally, dudes getting beat up. Dudes had to quack quack like a duck. I like dick in my butt.

Starting point is 01:08:31 Like, that's what they're doing to do. You come over there, your charge is messed up. This was the feds before I went in the feds. And we was juveniles. This was probably like the roughest time of being. I couldn't wait to get around grown men because I'm around juvenile. Right. They popping off all day long.

Starting point is 01:08:49 The most noise you'll ever hear, you never get sleep. It's so hot over there. This jail, so this jail had, on the flats, it was the tears, then you had a catwalk in front of the tears, and then you had a bunch of busted out windows. So can you imagine the wintertime? It was no heat. Right. It was like we was in a kennel. And that only made people aggressive, right?

Starting point is 01:09:15 And wintertime is freezing cold. Summertime is hell hot. Summertime, stabbing's. It's no control on that, too. The COs just was like, you come to get the CO, the COs just at the desk, chilling they ain't. Come to get the COO when somebody is leaking,

Starting point is 01:09:34 and they got to call the plane to fly them out. other than that, if you could patch up, if he got Hickey on his head, the COs is out of it. So it was like we literally had nobody really governing us, right? So we got out of the chain on that section. And I became kind of like a leader in that section because now I'm working out with tankie every day. And I'm starting to feel myself.

Starting point is 01:10:00 I'm starting to feel my strength. I'm pulling myself up on a pull-up ball. Everything that he had me doing is becoming easier. and easier and easier. So I never forget this how I got my name up. We was in a day room and it was this guy named Fifi. Fifi, and they called him Fifi because we used to make these.

Starting point is 01:10:20 I know what the Fifi is, right? So his name was Fifi, right? And he was always making the best Fifi. So that's why they call him. Dudes go to him and he personalized your Fifi, right? I'm talking about he put the balloons on it. It's like ass cheeks. So boom, so Fifi.

Starting point is 01:10:37 We in the day room, I'm on the phone with my grandma, right? And Fifi did something. Oh, the CO said, you know how COs say, anybody come out here in this hallway again? I'm shutting it down. Fifi turned around, going the hallway, they shut it down. I'm on the phone with my grandma, and the CO just click, just shut the phones off.

Starting point is 01:11:01 So now I'm pissed. Everybody, lock in. I'm mad at shit. Because I just waited in this line. for an hour to get on the phone and the first two minutes of me talking to my grandma, the phones get clicked off. And we still had like 30 minutes in the wreck hall, right?

Starting point is 01:11:19 So I'm pissed off. So as we walked into the cell, I'm like, yo, Fifi, why the fuck what you go in the, yo, you dumb, blah, blah, blah. And he like, nigger, don't talk to me like that, nigger, and swiped my hand. And it was like a, yes, he swiped my head. And I caught back and I hit his chin and I knocked him out. he went out.

Starting point is 01:11:40 He fell on his back pocket and went like this. And Tankhead was like, yeah! Like, Tankhead grabbed me, lift me up in there. You knocked him out. Like a celebration, right? Like, yo, you knock him out. Fifi is out.

Starting point is 01:11:53 He was out. And like, I'm looking at my hand like, damn, I knocked him out. So working out, working, right? And I wound up going on lock up for that. For knocking them out. So I had to pack up, going lock up. When I came off,

Starting point is 01:12:07 for lockup, it was just like, everybody was my friend. And now it's like, damn, tanking ain't not my cell buddy no more. I got my own self, right? And everybody, my friend, I slept next to my guy named Luz. Luz was a guy from Emerson Avenue who was like, they were serial killers. Like these were some young guys. They was locked up for a bunch of murders. So this was my cell buddy, him and Rell.

Starting point is 01:12:34 And these guys were savages. And they're my friends now. They like, yo, you want us now. So I had a single cell for a little bit because tankhead gone. And I'm still on tankhead regimen. I'm still working out all the trays people don't eat. I'm getting the trays. I'm making my hookups.

Starting point is 01:12:51 So I got, I'm gaining weight. So around this time, they put a young guy in myself, right? And I kind of regret doing what I did to him. But it was, we was in the jungle at the time, Predator Pray. And he came in the cell loud. Yo, what's up? I'm from East Baltimore. I'm from West Baltimore.

Starting point is 01:13:12 My name, Lord Net. Nada, da, da, da. And I felt him out for a little bit. And he was from a neighborhood over there that my childhood friend that I went to school with. So before I dropped out of school, it really caused me to drop out of school was a close friend of mine that was from East Baltimore. and I was from West Baltimore, but I didn't go to the school in my area. I went to a school outside of my area,

Starting point is 01:13:41 and he went to a school outside of his area. So freshman year, me and this guy met and became, like, friends. But he would catch the bus and go to East Baltimore. I would catch the bus and go to Northwest Baltimore. But we was, like, close. He hooked me up with his sister. So summertime, before I started hustling, I would go over his house.

Starting point is 01:14:01 And he was kind of already dabbling, dabbling, in the street, but he was like, he was a wrestler. My man, Kevin Fletcher, he was a wrestler, right? And, yo, he was going to be like a state champion. He looked like, identically like Tupac. If you never seen nobody like Tupac, he looked at like Tupac. He was obsessed with Tupac. He's the first dude that gave me McAvelli, you'll listen to Tupac.

Starting point is 01:14:25 And I start listening to Tupac because of him. And that summer, he got killed. And that shit fucked me up because he got killed when school just started and his his mother transferred them to a school in his own. So he didn't go, we didn't go to the same school. And the guys that walked him to school in the morning came to his mother house. In the morning, that was the routine

Starting point is 01:14:53 meet him at me, everybody meet up at his mother house and walked to school. They came to his mother house and they killed him. Right? Why? Because Kevin, I told you he was arrested. So he was kind of big for his size, and he was beating up everything in the neighborhood. So he kind of had, like, fear in guys, right? And he started getting a little money. He could fight, and they came.

Starting point is 01:15:19 He went upstairs to get dressed. And as he was in the closet, I guess, looking for his shoe, they shot him in his head three times. Boom, boom, boom. And ever since that, that shit just, like, click something to me. Like, damn, bro. I just was talking to you, told him. That night, I was talking to him, yo, what you went to school? And I think when he got killed, it was just like, I ain't let nobody do that to me.

Starting point is 01:15:43 And just to hear his sister, because he put me on his sister. And now his sister's like, it kind of like mentally fucked up. And like, I ain't talked to her no more. She didn't answer the phone for me no more. And I think it's because he got killed by his friends. And I think him and his day mother just was like, we're done. We don't even want to talk to none of his friends. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:16:05 So I just, like, lost contact with them. I never got to see them no more. And I think from that happening, it triggered something at me. And it just gave me like, shit, I ain't let nobody kill me out here. I'm going to kill before I could be killed. You know what I mean? So this guy from East Baltimore moving myself, right? And I'm like, yo, what you locked up for?

Starting point is 01:16:25 And he's like, for murder. All right? So, okay, so now, man, we become friends. I get them working out with me. but I didn't get too close to him. I was sharing stuff. You know how yourself, buddy. You share food and stuff like.

Starting point is 01:16:40 So the basic shit I was shared. So one day I went in the yard and we was the juvenile. So the adults, like when we go to the yard, they shut the jail down. The adults be like inside so they could look out the window and see us. So one of my big homies named Monkey Dog from my neighborhood, he was like, low having. Monty Dog, this big, tall black dude, right?

Starting point is 01:17:01 I always looked up. I was kind of scared of this nigga growing up, but he like, yo, you over the jail. I'm hearing about you, you holding it down. And he had me. So he's like, yo, you know you up there with the guy that killed your man. So I'm like, who?

Starting point is 01:17:15 He like, yo, you remember your little man that guy killed from East Baltimore? Yeah, he's like, yeah. You know what they say the guy that killed him is up there. So I said, where he's at? They're like, I don't know he's somewhere up there. I'm like, find out his name. So I'm like, all right, cool.

Starting point is 01:17:32 So I was in school at the time. All of us was going to school because we juvenile, right? So I went to school that day and another guy came in. He was like, Monkey Dog said, here, go a kite. So he gave me the letter. I get back to my cell, and I'm reading it. And guess who the guy killed my son, man. You're selling.

Starting point is 01:17:51 New selling. My cell buddy. Yeah. So I'm reading. I'm like, he killed Kat. Well, he wasn't a guy. He was with the guy. He was a co-defendant of the guys.

Starting point is 01:18:03 But he was a part. of it right so i'm like i'm like i got fuck i got i got i got get revenge for kevin man and man i beat this like it started off i hit the dude next door yo boom boom boom y'all got a knife lew's like so we had we had these things called peekers and they was like these little mirrors did they sell on commissar yeah yeah and you could stick them through the ball and wave so i'm like they're kind of like plastic like right and i'm like lose he like yo, what's up? I'm like, read this.

Starting point is 01:18:39 I give him the kite. He read it. So he's thinking about like, what you want to do. He's like, you go ahead to do something for your man. I'm like, got a knife. So he like, send it over. Put in a shot, he sent it to me. But I'm like, man, I don't want kill him for real.

Starting point is 01:18:58 I'm like, I want another murder. I'm already here, you know what I mean? So I'm like, I'm going to fuck him up. And if it get out of hand, if he can start getting best of me, then I poke, right? So, boom, we go, we go. I set it up, like, the next day I'm going to do this right after we come from school for our break.

Starting point is 01:19:19 We go, come back from school. We get in there, he eating. I'm eating my lunch. Right at I eat my lunch, I just, I'm like, let me lose the bathroom right quick. And he, like, like, school, and I just popped, wow. He's like, go. He's like, what? Like, because he, like, he called him, like, yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:37 Oh, like, what the hell? And I popped him again, bow, bow, bow. Now, you know, he's fighting back. And I was just so in red, I got the beating the fuck out of him, right? And he's like, yo, what am I do? And I like, you know what the fuck you did on? And I named the street, this, and the third. And he's like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:19:53 Now I'm like, he's like, yeah. So now the whole tier. So this is how it goes on Elf section. Because we got this thing called a swine dog, right? A swine dog. A swine dog is an individual that submits. And now he's like, we make him wash clothes. He's like, you know, you've been in prison.

Starting point is 01:20:12 You're saying Dew Boys, right? Yeah, I know you're like, but this is the day environment, right? Because this was one point of time, he was a tough guy. And now dudes is like, it's like we in the jungle. He's predated. I mean, he's prey now, right? So I beat him up and I, so he said out like, yo, that got to be crying or whatever. And I'm like, get all your paperwork.

Starting point is 01:20:37 Because I want to read the story. I'm like, get it. He's like, you're going to get everything. I read it. And it's him. Like, he's just with, he's with the guy. He's with him. Like, he was with the guys, you know what I mean? And I'm like, damn, bro. So I get to beat them up again. Now everybody coming to myself, hitting them with rum sticks. They taking this, we taking this commiss are. I'm telling them like, if you're going to stand, you got all of me comments. I'm extorting them. Right. That's when I first learned about extortion. Because he's, he's taking this. He had a name for itself where he was from. Right. And you know, guys is like a West Baltimore dude is doing this tour, East Baltimore, dude. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:21:16 So he had a name for itself. But in L section, L section wasn't as geographical. It was more so like, are you a predator or pray? Because now once I made you pray, everybody's praying on you now. He might not get his cookies on his tray. Right. And you know what I mean? It's like you got to earn your respect again, right?

Starting point is 01:21:40 And, um, question, quick question. Why was he there if that's kind of a holding facility? No, so that's pre-trial. Right. That's a pre-trial facility. So he, he was still fighting. He was still fighting. He had been there the whole time.

Starting point is 01:21:55 No. Or he took him while to catch him. Yeah. So what happened was, uh, he came from, I think he got waved to as an adult and wound up coming on that tier. Okay. You dig it? I'm saying, mind you, I'm only, shit, Kevin got killed when I was 14.

Starting point is 01:22:11 Okay, so it's only been, it's only, it wasn't that, yeah, you feel me? So, um, yeah, I was 14 when he got killed. So when he came on a tear, but at homicide, I didn't know, I'm from Westmore. I didn't know that, that, yeah, I didn't see it on the news or nothing like that. So I'm just green until the prison politics told me. Right. And now the prison politics told me that it's like, man, I'm treating this guy, right? Right? And he's going to commissary for me.

Starting point is 01:22:39 I didn't shave his head. Oh, man, they pissed. They got the dudes and had his head in the bullet, blowing bubbles and pissing on his head. Like, it was bad. It was bad. I reflect on. I shouldn't have did it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:52 I shouldn't have did it to that extent. But we got a little roofless with him. And he told the police on us. Right. Like, I came back there. I knew he was going to tell. I came back to the cell and his stuff was gone. I'm like, and everybody like, yo, you're.

Starting point is 01:23:06 You're in trouble. He's going to press charges on you. He said he raped. He didn't tell him I raped them. I'm like, what? So the major came to myself. He's like, you're getting a heinous act for doing this to a person and you don't do this. You shave the boy.

Starting point is 01:23:23 You traumatized him. And they sent me the lockup. So I got the lockup and I did my little time on lock. I mean, I came back off. Oh, let me tell you. Why I was on lockup. So protected custody is underneath lockup. So of course, the person I just did all this torturing to you is right underneath me.

Starting point is 01:23:49 What are you talking to him through the toilet or through the vents? All he got to do is jump up on the tier and pull itself up and he could see myself right there in their boss. So he could throw stuff at me. So the guy that was in my cell was on lockup now, right? And I'm stuck on 24, I mean, 23 and 1. I come out for an hour, use the phone shower, and go back in myself. Protective custody is in, it's like general population, but it's protective custody. So they're out all day.

Starting point is 01:24:19 So I come on the tip, right? My first time on Lockup, Lockup single cells. I come on a tier and everybody like, yo, what you up here for a spotty? And I tell them, man, yeah, I just had the dude snitch on me, this day and the third. He heard it. He ain't say nothing. So the next morning, I get up for breakfast

Starting point is 01:24:42 saying one of the protected custody dudes are working in. So they come on my door. Give me my tray. As soon as I take my tray, I look now, look back up, piss fly in my face. I'm like, and they're like, aha, and the dude that gave my tray run off.

Starting point is 01:24:59 So the guy that I was told you looked at and said, yeah, bitch, I got your bitch ass. So I'm like, yo, what the fuck you just throw on me? It's all on my tray. Like, yeah, I'm gonna shit you down next. So I'm like, yo, this piss. So I'm like, motherfucker. I'm, mind you, I'm spazzing. And while I'm spazzing, that's what happened. I just see him look up with a shampoo bottle and go, shit. You all on my shirt on my face. I'm like, oh, and it's stink. And I'm like, yo, what the f. So yeah, he's like, I'm a toy. So yeah, he's like, I'm a You.

Starting point is 01:25:34 Oh. So mind you, I don't have nothing to cover myself up. Yeah. He's torturing me. He's throwing a bunch of shit at my sport. I'm in the back of the cell like, ski, I have to take my, I have to take my mattress and hold it up. So no, nothing, he's throwing so lax at me.

Starting point is 01:25:51 He's throwing bleach. I'm talking about he's just bawling shit up throwing it. And it's nothing I could do to stop, but like guard myself with the mattress, right? So my cell was fuck. And the CO's not even helping me. Right. They're like, you got to wait the next shift. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:10 I'm like, they don't want to deal with it. They don't give a fuck, right? And he out. So, you know, he shitted me down and pissed me down for probably like an hour. So it's just, I'm talking about all. And then the PC guys work together. They stick in there. Everybody giving them piss.

Starting point is 01:26:25 And I said, had this milk sitting for three months. And he's throwing spoiled milk. So I myself is just atrocious, right? So next CO come, what the fuck? And he let me out to clean up all this shit and lock them in downstairs. So that's your like, yo, they is out of order for doing that to you.

Starting point is 01:26:45 So I'm like, y'all got to get these niggins back, you know, like, hell know, everybody like, yo. But I notice the guys on lockup are very respectful to the guys on PC because they know that these guys are out. We in. And ain't nothing, it's nothing that can stop them from throwing stuff in our cell. So, um, I got, I got this guy back, though.

Starting point is 01:27:07 Let me tell you, I got him. So one day, I asked, like, it's the afternoon. I'm like, can I come out for the phone? So it was a C-old girl that liked me. And she used to work the 10. So I'm like, hey, Ms. Johnson. I'm like, you think you could let me out on the phone on Thursday? At such and such time, she's like, if I worked that shift, I got you.

Starting point is 01:27:26 I'm like, cool. So that day comes, she worked the chef. She let me out. And you're supposed to cuff us up when we get on the phone. Right. Because PC is they supposed to lock them in, let us use the phone, and then cuff us in our arm is on the phone. She cuffed me, but she didn't tighten the cuff up to the point I could slip my hand out.

Starting point is 01:27:50 So that morning, I'm on the phone, talking to my, a girl I was talking to Sierra, and we talking. and their cells was open, all of, but they were sleep. So I looked at the wrist and I'm like, oh, I can get out. So I'm like, hmm, boom. So one of the PC guys who was a working man, he come, he's sweeping. So I'm like, yo, they be leaving y'all cells open. He's like, yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:23 So I'm like, damn, that's cool. So he's like, yeah, hell yeah, they be leaving ourselves open. All right, everybody's sleep right now, though. So I'm like, hmm. So I look, like, where the CO at? The girl that let me out, she's talking to another CO, another female. Cells open. Oh, I'm like, bro, this is the perfect opportunity for me to go down there and whip his ass, right?

Starting point is 01:28:49 So I go down there, everybody's sleep. I walk down there, he's sleep, he out. I went in there and I whipped his ass. Because I already beat him up in myself. Right. So I already knew you're only tough like this because I can't get to you, right? I whipped his ass, right, and wound up getting some more time on lock up, of course, right? But I wind up coming back off, going back in the population, and around this time I was still fighting the case for the shooting.

Starting point is 01:29:17 Yeah, what is your lawyer saying, by the way? So, let's talk about it. My lawyer, he comes and visits me. He says straight up, did you do it? So I was like, no, I ain't doing it because we had an alibi. And our story was we was over Keisha House at such and such time on the day of this. And everybody could agree to that, right? Now, remind me y'all told you when they locked me and Donnie up, they separated us.

Starting point is 01:29:52 I told you I ain't tell them nothing, right? Donnie told him something. Now, did he directly snitch on me? No. But the deal was we don't say nothing. So you don't have no business even talking, period. All you had to do is say, take me to the cell. Well, I plead the fifth, right?

Starting point is 01:30:15 He told him a story. And the story, the story went against the alibi. So, of course, when my lawyer get everything, he like, well, in the discovery, this person gave a statement and he said this and the story you're telling me is this and the witnesses that's saying you did it are saying this and that more so go with his story right and it makes your story look like a contradiction so he was like so did you do it and I was like nah I just kept saying nah I ain't do it so of course when I found out Donnie gave him that information I felt like he snitched on me

Starting point is 01:30:55 And I'm like, bro, because the code was, don't say nothing. I was on the scene or not. Don't say nothing, right? And you said something. So, of course, I called home and I told my friends in my neighborhood, like, yo, he snitching on me. And they was like, nah, that ain't really snitching, spotty. You know what I mean? I'm like, what?

Starting point is 01:31:18 Like, yo, he didn't agree. I mean, he's going against what we agreed to. So, long story short, I wound up going to trial. And let me stop before I go to trial, right? Because I got more to tell you about L section. When I came off the L section, the T is different now, right? New guys on the Tid, and now I'm considered like an older guy on the Tid. So I instantly get a working man job.

Starting point is 01:31:51 I could be out when everybody locked in. And the COs, I told you I didn't like the COs. And I never forgot about that guy that let me add them, they let me get my ass whipped. And stabbed. And stabbed, right? So I always had, like, grudges against them, right? So one day, they was trying to make us lock in early. And I was like, no, we ain't locking in early.

Starting point is 01:32:20 And they like, shit, I'm a call a cold. They were like, we like, fuck the cold. I guess we just wanted to cut up that day. And Adam and them came around to lock us in. And we whipped his ass, y'all. We beat him up. And he ran out the tail and we took the tail for how long for like two days. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:32:44 I'm talking about. This is what literally this year is the year to change the dynamics of L-section. That's just when Ms. Oliver. came. This is what made them call somebody and say, we need somebody to specialize. We're working with kids. They need something. And Ms. Oliver had to bring us PlayStation's. She was like a grandma that we never had. But that riot, because we took their keys, so we had the keys to every cell. This was like Planet of the Apes. We opened up every cell. We took all the mattresses and put them at the top of the tier and burnt them. So when the COs came to the tier,

Starting point is 01:33:22 they couldn't get in because we locked the, we locked the gates up. Everybody that we wanted to hit and stab, we was stabbing them and hitting them. So they had to call like a special unit to come in and they had to break in to get us. And they moved the whole section to lock up. So the whole section had to go on lockup

Starting point is 01:33:45 and they had to change, they had to redo the whole juvenile section. And we stayed up there for like 60 days after the whole section. Like everybody was in that section had to go on lock up. We stayed there for probably like 30 days. And when we came back to the L section, it was like a daycare. They painted it.

Starting point is 01:34:03 They all in windows it was busted was replaced. They had books. They had computers. They had PlayStation. They had food. I mean, it was just like they just, they brung everything. Movie watch. We had movie night.

Starting point is 01:34:19 It was like the feds. Did you ever see the movie Bad Boys? Yeah. With a Sean Penn. Right? Sean Penn? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:30 That was a juvenile. That was a juvenile. That was fucking. It was like, it's like she knew what to do. And it brung. Because now everybody like, yo, if you fuck up us going to play this PlayStation.

Starting point is 01:34:44 So everybody, like, she didn't turn us into, to abide by her rules. Right. because she's rewarding us for stuff, right? You do good in school. Ms. Oliver bring you in a fruit basket. And now you're like, Miss Oliver, like, she brought us in tape recorders.

Starting point is 01:35:00 Right. We was rapping. Like, we was recording ourselves in itself because Ms. Oliver brought it. Right. So Ms. Oliver, you know, she was somebody in my life. I was like, y'all, I love Ms. Oliver, y'all. She was like, everybody loved her. All the killers love Ms. Oliver.

Starting point is 01:35:17 And eventually all of us transitioned to prison. Right. Yeah. So, um, well, you said you went to trial. What happened? Yeah, no, I couldn't go to trial. But you were going to.

Starting point is 01:35:27 I was going to go. Okay. And my lawyer, like, Ivan, I tried self-defense. It's no self-defense law in Maryland. But even though it was, you know, a shootout and I'm going to use that to get you a light of sickness. But my, at this time, I got a paid attorney. I was reluctant to have money to pay for a lawyer.

Starting point is 01:35:55 And I thought I was coming home. I'm not really sure how it's not self-defense. Or how Maryland doesn't have self-defense. So then there's no defense at all to... Well, it's a lighter sentence than the first degree. So you try and kill me with a butcher knife and I shoot you with my gun. And I still got to go to prison. I still went to prison.

Starting point is 01:36:24 Yeah, but you, they could make the argument. But see, they were saying, that you went and got it. Yeah, I understand, but it was in defense of another person.

Starting point is 01:36:31 In Florida, I, in Florida, you had staying your ground. Well, in Florida, I have stayed my ground for Colby. If you attacked Colby right now,

Starting point is 01:36:38 and I pulled my gun and shot you, even though it's not me, it doesn't matter. It's, it's, I'm in protection of Colby. You see what I'm saying? Like, even that's not,

Starting point is 01:36:46 that's, you're allowed to protect another person. At that time, you got to remember, I'm a key. Right. I mean, I understand how. I understand it's a stretch, but it's still an argument because somebody was being,

Starting point is 01:36:58 you heard this guy's, my buddy's being attacked with the machete. Right. And you can see across the parking lot that he's being attacked. I grab my gun. Should I have a gun? Absolutely not. I'm a child. I should not have a gun.

Starting point is 01:37:13 Then charge me for the gun. Right. But don't charge me for, but I go to the defense of my friend. And I understand they could argue it got. went too far and they could argue some, there are some extenuating circumstances, but I still see it being self-defense. Maybe you go to,

Starting point is 01:37:27 maybe you go to prison for the gun, you know. So, so, so, well, a part of my deal was the judge felt like that. Right. Kind of, right? But he was like, you still got to go to jail. And the family, mind you, the guy didn't die. Mind, right?

Starting point is 01:37:44 So luckily, it's a first degree attempt murder, but he's fucked up bad, right? And he got complications. So the judge was like, you know, I talked to the family and the family was like, you're a young kid. You know what I mean? He was trying to stab your friend. Yeah, like, and the lady agreed my, my, my, my, he did come. He came to them kids.

Starting point is 01:38:08 He's too old to come to them kids like that, right? So, long story short, yeah, he was an adult. Yeah, he was an adult and we was kids, but guess what? That was my friend father. I didn't know that was his dad. Oh. He brought his dad to a gunfight. He's an adult.

Starting point is 01:38:28 Like this isn't even an adult, like a 19-year-old. This is a fucking grown man. This is a 30-40-year-old man with a fucking, like, what are you thinking? I was a kid. He was a big guy. He came aggross. And you know, when you hear Jamaicans get aggressive, it's like, oh, he's coming to kill. My gosh-law.

Starting point is 01:38:45 I'm like, oh, shit. Like, we got to kill him, bro. Like, this guy-go. Macon would bring a fucking would bring a machete too. Yeah, like, they're Jamaicans. So, but that was it. I didn't know that was his father. Okay.

Starting point is 01:38:59 So when I found out with his father, I was like, I really fucked up. Like, I ain't know I heard his father. And long story short, they wind up giving me 30 years, all suspended but 10 years and three years probation. Okay, that was the deal. That was the deal. You do this 10-year bit. You come home, you're going to have 20 years over your head.

Starting point is 01:39:18 but if you complete this three years probation, you complete the sentence. Okay. So I went in the system with 10 years. Do you get gain time off the 10 years? Yeah, you could gain time because even though it was a violent crime, I could still earn good days because I was a juvenile. I didn't have my GED at the time, so I could do a lot of programming. I had the youth offenders program, which sent me to Petuxet Prison.

Starting point is 01:39:47 And so it was, I guess around that time, it was a, it was a fair deal. Yeah, I guess. I mean, really not because of the money we paid you. Like, you could have got me just flat five. But I wound up getting 10 years. So the calculation I was supposed to do like first five, no parole. Okay. So you got to do first five straight.

Starting point is 01:40:11 Okay. Right. And after that, we could take you up for parole. But by then you'll have like six, seven years. Seven years I should be home, right? And they sent me to Roxbury Correctional Institution. This was my first, this is the prison I could say made me a man. It's a horrible, horrible thing to say right away.

Starting point is 01:40:35 It did, yo, because this prison, like, is a legendary prison in Maryland. And I think this prison was like, it was like, it's one of them prisons. It's like, it's going to teach you how to be in the feds. This was like a federal jail. When I went in the feds and seen how the feds run and I thought about it, it ran like Roxbury because these was like I was around some murderers. I was around, I was around like some top dudes that from my city, they was legendary guys in my jail. And when I came there, I was so young and the guys just like, I was a kid, a lot of older guys

Starting point is 01:41:16 started like took to me. They're like, yeah, man, you gotta come in here, get your GED, just standing third, blah, zee, blah. And, yeah, so that was the first day I went in. I get in prison and this is totally different from, this, this is totally different from Al section. Because now you're dealing with grown men. Right.

Starting point is 01:41:39 Men have been in prison 10, 15, 20 years. So when I get on this compound, it was, order. It was structure. It was rules. So as soon as I got in the cell, I got in the cell with this old head. And when we say old head, I mean, he's probably like 56 years old. I got in the cell with him. He was like, surely what you locked up for? I told him when I'm locked up up for. He's like, oh yeah, you're going to be here a little minute. So I might as well show you this what it is, this day and the third. He's like, yo, this to shower up here. This the dudes and don'ts, that's your locker.

Starting point is 01:42:16 He's just showing me everything. And when I remember my first day, stepping into the day run, I was just like, I sat in the chair by the TV, and I was just looking around, and I seen big cocky, swole dudes. And I never forget was this big dude with dreads. I'm talking about he was like the biggest guy on the tier.

Starting point is 01:42:42 and his chest looked like he got shot in the chest with a gun or something like it was a blast that he held up on his chest and he would walk around and he had goals in his mouth and I'm like

Starting point is 01:42:53 it's just good all right like and his arms was just like he huge like incredible hook type built so he came over to me like you low having and I'm like yeah

Starting point is 01:43:08 you're like I'm big fuss what you need So I'm like, shit, I'm like, whatever. So he's like, all right, well, I go back to my cell and a big ass bag of food kind of myself. He's like, how do you know this guy? So the word must have hit from the street, the Lord Ivan is coming to prison. Okay. I don't know how he knew, but he knew my case.

Starting point is 01:43:33 He knew everything before I got there, right? And he was from Park Heights. So Park Heights was like across the tracks from Libby, Heights and Garrison. They're the same Northwest Baltimore, but two different type of communities, right? You see you can see my fear or my concern with having a big black guy with dreads come up to me and say, yeah, yeah, right. You need anything.

Starting point is 01:43:55 Right. It was like, yeah, right. You feel me? So, yeah, but he ain't marked me like one of them. Because you kind of knew who the booty band this was. Yeah. My cell buddy told me, like, that guy over there, Big Ray, stay away from him. him over there

Starting point is 01:44:12 stay away from him and him right there he everybody else either gang members or Muslims or you know so it was like

Starting point is 01:44:21 all right cool so he gave me all this food so when I came out for a wreck it was his cell buddy was named

Starting point is 01:44:29 Lil Cus so it was big fuzz and little Cus Little Cus was like four foot nine

Starting point is 01:44:38 five foot if you said I got him five foot he was little than me but he was ripped up like you could tell little cuss

Starting point is 01:44:46 work out now now he was a little guy but he was strong for his size but he was like it was like scooby-dude and scrappy dude

Starting point is 01:44:53 every time you see fuzz you sing cuss they was just like together right and little cuss had this like arrogance about him because he was with

Starting point is 01:45:02 big fuzz right and they was the dope boys of the jail they were selling dope in jail right

Starting point is 01:45:09 I mean these guys had these guys was like at that time I was a kid in jail and they was like giving me food like they had hell of tennis it's like they was living large three TVs and they sell so I met them

Starting point is 01:45:24 and they they was the first guys that like took me under their wane you know they was like yeah you from cross tracks we from my park guys but uh we gonna fuck what you show it we know we're gonna show you gonna be all right you know what I mean and around that time

Starting point is 01:45:40 I was on that tier for probably like two weeks. So, you know, I'm the new guy, so I'm going in the weight pit trying to learn how to lift weights and get my size up. So around that time, little Moe come on a tear. Now, little Moe is locked up for murder. We went to middle school together. He was wild in middle school. I wasn't as wild as him.

Starting point is 01:46:01 He was wild, right? And we wind up meeting again in prison. And shit. As soon as I met him, I was like, yo, what you need? The same thing that they did for me, I did for them. But it's, but the thing is, little Mo was from Fuzz and Cah's neighborhood. So they, Fuzz and Cahs always kept me and him together. Me and him became like brothers, right?

Starting point is 01:46:28 And he wound up moving in myself. And that was a bad combination, man. Right. Because we was fucking that tear up. Like, we literally was the young, the young, Guys, I'm 17, I think Moe at the time was 18, right? And we wrestling all on the tail. We, we boys, like, we still young.

Starting point is 01:46:51 And Fuzz and them got us working out, Moe, like, I ain't working out, man. I got all this time. I got 30 years to doing this bitch. I ain't, you feel me? So we was young and we was wow. Mo wound up going on lockup because he, it was a CO on our team, tier name Clark. I got to tell you about Clark.

Starting point is 01:47:11 Clark was like the asshole CEO, but cool with some, but if he don't fuck with you, he'll be an asshole. And he locked mo'up. They locked little more up, sent him a locker with myself, buddy. And I ain't like him ever since that, right? So one day,

Starting point is 01:47:28 we walk in a child, and we were walking the child, I was, like, lingering behind. So I wasn't even, like, paying attention to, because you have to stay with the, crowd. So I'm all way behind the crowd. And he like, Pots! I'm like, what's up? He's like, walk the fuck is around with you. I'm like, so I'm like, what the fuck is you talking to? So he's like, I'm talking to you. So man, I'm got to go and at it. So he's like, get your

Starting point is 01:47:54 ass over here. So I go over there. He said, give me your ID. I give my ID. He look at my ID. He take it and he fling it. And guess what he thought of it under the tree. Now, we in Higgist, Maryland, it's white boys. So I'm like, what the hell is he insinuating? He's like, take your ass under that tree. And he said, boy, take your ass under that tree, boy. So I said, don't talk to me like that, bop, bop, bop. And he wound up calling Nicole.

Starting point is 01:48:23 Police wind up coming. They wind up lock me up, right? And I went on lockup. So now I'm on lockup, Lord Moe is on lockup, right? And we wind up reuniting. I get on lockup. And it's this kid named Johnny Fonnie.

Starting point is 01:48:40 which was another well-known notorious guy that was putting it down, right? And Johnny Five, at that time, he was already BGF. But mind you, I never knew what BGF was. So, you know, when we on lockup, little more upstairs, I'm downstairs, you know, we're talking out the window. He's sending me books and stuff because I'm on lockup. And we didn't know that we were surrounded by gang members. The tier that they put us on was a gang tier.

Starting point is 01:49:18 So a lot of the gang members was real, like, they was quiet. They was talked out the window, but we didn't know, because I guess I wasn't like paying attention to gangs and stuff back then, right? So I never forget, Johnny Five slept at the last cell and I was in the cell by myself. It's around the time I first learned how I write a rat, right? and I called a little more and I said, yo, you coming out to the yard? Because on lockup, the yard was like,

Starting point is 01:49:49 they was like kennels. So we would go out and they'd lock your ass in the kennels and then you just walk back and forth, right? That was our wreck. So I'm like, yeah, I'm coming out, bop, bop, bop. So he's like, all right, cool. I come out, man, that was our routine, come out nighttime, talk to each other in the yard,

Starting point is 01:50:03 do our little pushups. So the whole time me and him was talking, it was people listening to us through the window because we used to talk out the window just go to the back window and we talking out the windows and it was people listening to us. So one day

Starting point is 01:50:22 we talking on a tear and somebody y'all out the door I wish y'all young motherfuckers shut the fuck up so I'm like, who the fuck is that? I'm like, who that is bro? I'm like, more don't ain't fucking them so over time it was my guy named Juan right?

Starting point is 01:50:40 which later on wind up being a good brother of mine. He, like, telling him, shut the fuck up, like, because we're talking all night and people trying to sleep. So we like, man, fuck him, bop, bop, bop. So little mow fished me down a kite. Like, yo, where'd a kite? And at that time, we used to fish. Fishing is, like, tying the magazine up, you know, putting the string on it,

Starting point is 01:51:03 throwing it, it fall through the grate. I tie mine up, grab it with the string, and pull his note to me. So he sent me a note, like, I think that. The dude won, he BGF and this day and the third. So I'm like, what the fuck is BGF? So we came out that night to go out for rec in the kennels. We come out to the yard. So as we come into the yard, we get cuffed.

Starting point is 01:51:27 Our routine was you come, they come to your cell, they cuff you up. You come out and you and your cuffs, handcuffs behind your back, and you get escorted to the kennel. So we get to the kennel and Moly, yo, come in. the kennel with me. So I'm like, cool. So I tell us, yo, let me in the kennel with him. So I get to the kennel with him. And another dude is walking up. And he got like his state jacking on, his tower around his neck. And he like, like, swole. So I'm like, the fuck is he doing, right? So, boom, I get in. Mo is already in the kennel. I get in. The other dude

Starting point is 01:52:05 come behind me. So now there's three of us in this kennel, right? And when he, he behind me, me and Mo, like, we got to take our cuffs off first. So I go to the straight to the thing, huh? Take my cuss off. Take my cuss off. Mo go to it. But as when Moe go to it, I looked at him, and he's just smiling at us like, like, he laughing like, y'all trying to take y'all cuss off first.

Starting point is 01:52:30 So I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm like, like, who he is? He like, I don't know, y'all. I think he won them BGF dudes, this and the third. So I'm like, yo, when you take your cups off? walk to the back. So he takes his cuffs off and he walked to the back.

Starting point is 01:52:44 I walked to the back with him. So this guy now is taking his cuffs off. He's taking his cuffs off. He's looking at it's like, well, when I get these cuffs on, I'm gonna tell y'all little asses up. And we're juvenile, so we job like, is somebody sending a hit?

Starting point is 01:53:00 So I'm talking to Mo, Mo, like, yo, I think he BGF, da-da-da-da-da-da. But my back, Mo is where you at, and I'm where I'm at, right? So he could see my back. And as I'm talking to him, he's just like this, like, and I turned around and it's this big ass cocky dune in my face.

Starting point is 01:53:22 Like, you, Lou Ivan? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, I'm fish. I'm from your neighborhood. He's like, yeah, they told me you was here. Boom. I'm like, okay. You feel me?

Starting point is 01:53:35 Because I'm like, and he like, you need something. He said, I got you, all right? You're going to be good. And he walk off and he just go like to the other end of the kennel and just start doing burpees. Like the whole time we was in there, he was just exercising. And me and Motoc, you know, we kids. We like, yo, who the fuck is it? He's like, yo, I think he's BGF dude.

Starting point is 01:53:57 You know, we kids. And we go back to ourselves. And then the next morning a bag of food coming myself. Boom. Bag of food come in a message. I'm right I'm rabble the kite. I read it and he tell me like, y'all, I'm fish. I'm from around your neighborhood.

Starting point is 01:54:15 It's there and the third. The guys from the neighborhood told me he was here, if you need anything, you can holler at me. You know what I mean? I've been in here for X amount of years. Um, and that's that. So I was like, all right, cool. I'm like, damn, so I y'all up there, good look at fish.

Starting point is 01:54:33 He's like, all right. Boom, fish left off lockup. Boom. When he left off lockup, Johnny Five, because now I got other people speaking to me all a sudden, right? So Johnny Five is like, hey, man, you might as well, because a little more leaving off lockup too, right? So all of people I was cool with left off lockup.

Starting point is 01:54:55 So now Johnny, people is like, Johnny Five, like, yo, you might as well move down here with me before they put somebody else in your cell. There has no business being in yourself. So I go down there with Johnny Five. when I get in the cell with him, this guy, he making liquor, he making knives. Like, he's running a...

Starting point is 01:55:16 In the shoe? Yes. In the shoe. We're in the shoe. Okay. He's running a business out. He's selling liquor. He sell food. He sell knives. He goes out, fine, steel, come in the cell and sharpening him

Starting point is 01:55:31 and then selling the people who need knives. So I get in the cell with him. I'm like, Like, yo, what the hell are you doing? And he's like, yo, this is why I decide to make my money. You know what I mean? I'm going to show you how to make the liquor, this and the third. So while I was in the cell with him, he taught me how I play chess.

Starting point is 01:55:48 He like, I'm going to teach you how I play chess. This guy was an advanced young guy that was like my age, but he was advanced. Like, he was playing chess. He was setting up maps and he was just advanced for his age, right? And I never forget one day and shit, breakfast comes. So when breakfast comes, the slots. open because we get our food through a slot. And when a slot opened, I'm at the slot waiting and a t-shirt wrapped up with steel

Starting point is 01:56:15 coming, huh, get at the five. I open it up. Ain't nothing but layers are sharp steel. How the fuck is he getting this stuff all, right? So he's like, uh, he like, he'll find out one day. So he's like, I'm going to show you how to do this. So he don't teach me how to break, take the flat steel and put it on the side of the bunk and bend it. and keep bending it back and full,

Starting point is 01:56:40 and then eventually the heat, make it snap and hal. And then he had this part in the back of the cell where he was just digging into the concrete and to the point he dig the dirt. You could see the daylight. If the light was outside, you could see the light coming in the cell.

Starting point is 01:56:56 That's how much he shaved it down. That's an escape attempt. Yeah, he would take the dirt when we done, patch it back in there, take like the all of the, from the, concrete going like that, put a little water on it. And it looked like, and then he would like smash it down and smooth it out and it looked like concrete.

Starting point is 01:57:17 And he was doing that, he was selling the knives. So he was like, yeah, fish, it's fish fuck with you, I can fuck with you. So I'm like, yo, what are y'all? So he was like, you ain't ready to know what we is. So I'm like, whatever. So next door to me was a guy. guy by the name of Kenny Spoon, right? He was an ass bandit.

Starting point is 01:57:43 He was raping people in prison. I mean, he wasn't even really raping him. He was, like, talking them and doing it. Yeah, pressure on. Yeah, like, he knew who to pray on. And I never forget, like, this is my first time experience in this side of jail. Because Johnny Five was cool with him.

Starting point is 01:58:01 And I'm like, why are you cool with this name? He's like, he don't try me. I mind my business. You feel me? So I never forget, it was this light skin guy on our tier, right? And we came out nighttime. They came out, the top tier came out daytime. So this dude would always come past during the daytime and walk past us to go to the rat.

Starting point is 01:58:26 So long story short, I'm at the door and you can hear the cell next door to you because he's in the door. So when the guy walked past, he said, I'm gonna get his little ass. His little ass won it. So I said it. So not what you want to fucking hear. Yeah, so I said, hell, no, he can't just say that. I know his little ass.

Starting point is 01:58:53 So the dude come walking past, he hit the door. Boom, boom, boom, boom. The dude. Hey, man, what's up, man? You're like, man, what's up, man? What's up, boy? What you? I got this for you.

Starting point is 01:59:04 When you come back in, Scott past myself. So I said, I asked five, I said, yo, what the fuck? Why, Kenny? He said, yeah, Kenny going to get him. He going to get him. So I said, yo, he be in there. He's like, yeah, hell yeah. That's new ass right there.

Starting point is 01:59:20 Johnny Five burnt out, right? So he's like, yo, he's like, I ain't with that, but he's like, that's what he do. He ain't hiding it, bro. Like, he ain't hiding it. Like, and he ain't taking it. He's venusing him. So I'm like, hey, I'm like, he like, Kenny don't bother us. Like he, because he actually be looking out for, like, we was like his little homies.

Starting point is 01:59:42 So he hit the wall, you're all y'all good over there? Because he had everything. He had all the commissary in his cell. He had everything to get the boy in itself. Games. Whatever you had, he had, right? On lockup. So, um, I never forget, like, out the blue, like this, like a week later, he kicked his

Starting point is 02:00:04 cell buddy out. And his cell buddy was a punk. Right? He kicked his cell buddy out and this new dude was moving in. And I watched him. Did this guy have any idea? No. And I watched it.

Starting point is 02:00:19 Like, I heard it. Like, I'm next door to him. So I could hear like, no, yo, I ain't with that. Shut up, bitch. And I'm like, yo, I don't want. You know what I mean? So I'm like, damn. So right there, when I seen that happen to him, I was like, oh, hell, nah.

Starting point is 02:00:38 I'm learning how I slain. knives. It's no way in the world a nigger gonna get me, tricked me into the cell and then like over, I ain't gonna say over power. He just got you to the point like, yo, it ain't going to just let me, it's, I'm telling you ain't nobody going to look at you. You're like, we can hear it. And I'm like, yo, we used to go. I never, me and five used to get up on the scene. Like, what is he doing? I'm like, oh, they is you don't hear nothing. I mean, it was, it was, it was wild, right? So come to, come to, come to, come. When I come off a lockup, they send me the housing unit too, right?

Starting point is 02:01:13 Did you just mark that for a fucking story? Yeah, yeah. I marked it, yeah. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm making TikToks. Like, I make notes for TikToks, and he saw me clicking. I just saw it. He goes, and I goes there.

Starting point is 02:01:28 I thought, this fucking guy. This really happened. No, I believe. Trust me. I know that it happens. And he made him a punk. And then he just came. The dude just, I guess he just like,

Starting point is 02:01:39 I'm gay. And next time I seen the dude, his shirt was, you know. I had heard a story where the guy had moved. I forget exactly how it goes, but he moved this guy in his cell. And every once in a while, and he was a lifer. And he was like, yo, bro, you know, after chow, like, I like to have the punks come in every once in a while. So I'm going to let you know, you know, I'm going to need the cell for a little bit. He's like, yeah, man, whatever.

Starting point is 02:02:10 Like, you know, he's scared. Yeah. And so he, he leaves. He's like, yeah, he'll, I'm going to do the cell for about an hour. So he's, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. And he leaves. And he, and I don't know what it was. It was like, everybody was like, you got to get out of that cell, bro.

Starting point is 02:02:25 You got to get. And he was like, I know, I know, I know. He's never done. He's never fucked with me. Right. Never even tried. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:31 Because they were, they were, if you ain't with it. Right. He's not bugging me. But, and then he, I think, oh, but he was, guy was, He constantly offering him, yo, you want some of this? I got some wraps. I got this. He's like, no, I'm good.

Starting point is 02:02:42 I'm good. And then after like a month or something like that, he says to him, he goes, you know, something wrong with me, bro? Like, I offer you food all the time. You never take no food. He's like, no, it's just that I don't have money coming in. I don't have a job. So I can't pay you back.

Starting point is 02:02:59 So, you know, I don't want to take anything. I can't pay back. Right. And he's like, be in debt to me. Yeah. And he's like, you shit. is all that money you're sitting on. Nothing reason for you to go without.

Starting point is 02:03:11 Exactly. Like the next day, he was like, I got to get out of here. That's it. Oh, I could see it starting, right? Like,

Starting point is 02:03:17 I forget exactly. It was like, oh, God. But yeah, you would see these guys like they're, there, they look good, and they're good-looking guys.

Starting point is 02:03:24 That when they're pressuring them, like they're, they're just giving them, they're, they would, guys would say that, they'd be like, oh, yeah,

Starting point is 02:03:29 no, no, he's pressing him. Yeah, that's how it was. And he was not going to do anything. He said, No, no, no, it's not, you don't understand. It's psychologically over time, over time.

Starting point is 02:03:37 He's scaring him. He's getting him to believe. He's prepping them. Yeah, getting him to believe that if you don't do something or if you, with, you don't let me do something, you can get hurt. But he doesn't really say it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? These guys psychologically, they're stuck.

Starting point is 02:03:52 They're stuck in a position. They can't seem to get out of. Right. Because they don't have. Colby's light me up. No, real. They don't have. I'm checking in.

Starting point is 02:03:59 Listen, they don't have the courage. It's like, I don't want to check in. but I don't want people to think I'm gay It's like I don't want to check in But I don't want to I don't want him to whip my ass in here Thank God I went to the right place I went to the right fucking place

Starting point is 02:04:16 And it's that fight or flight And a lot of dudes that Why they wear them down They wear that debt So they don't fly Yeah they think they because they feed them Yeah exactly they kind of But that's them they beat them up

Starting point is 02:04:29 Then they feed them and show them love It's so horrible It's so horrible. It is. It's a battered woman center. It's a battered one. And men are in there getting that done to him. But I don't have sympathy because I know a lot of them to get it done and be like, bro, you, you were just tough, though.

Starting point is 02:04:48 Oh, yeah. You're going to look at their Instagram. You're like, look at them. No. Like, you met your match. No, I'm leaving. I'm out of here. I'm out of here.

Starting point is 02:04:56 I'm out of here. I'm out of here. So, yeah, so when I come off a lockup, I mean, housing unit, too, right? I get the housing unit two. And I get word from housing unit one. Little Moe said, come to child. So little Moe is my guy. Yeah, right?

Starting point is 02:05:14 That was in middle school. He got out. He got out before me, right? So I get up there, and he see me. He like, yeah, yo, what's up, man? Dredts. And he like, he like, did they holler at you yet? I'm like, howling me, bro.

Starting point is 02:05:28 About what? He like, so I'm like, So I agree, like, yeah, but I don't know what the fuck. I'm like, so I see him, I get up on him like, what the fuck is that? He like, they ain't holl at you yet. They say we're the chosen ones. So I'm like, niggum, what the fuck is you talking about? So he's like, yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:49 He like, we're going to join the family. I'm like, what the hell? I don't pay it no mind. The next day I had to enroll in school and stuff like that because I'm off lockup. I go up to school, I see little more again. But I see him with some other group of young guys, right? And when we get into school, they like, yeah, I walked over there. They were already in the conversation.

Starting point is 02:06:14 They're like, yeah, because the comrades, they're standing there. And then when I walked over there and got to them, they, like, got quiet. Like, they don't want me to know what they're talking about. So I'm like, yo, what's up? He's like, nothing, chilling. So I look at all of them, all of them quiet. I'm like, fuck y'all get quiet when I walk up for it. They like, nothing, bro.

Starting point is 02:06:38 So I'm asking more like, why are you acting like this? He like, cause yo, I be doing a lot of studying. So I'm like, studying about what? He like, the family, yo, the black gorilla family. So I'm like, nigger, you're in a gang. He like, it ain't a game. So mind you, it was blood. Bloods and crips in the jail too around that time, but it was more bloods encrypts than anything.

Starting point is 02:07:07 BGF was like, shh, it was like a whisper. Oh shit, they go BGF. It was like a, but you don't know who they are because they're not running around with flags and wearing red and blue. So long story short, when I got back to my unit, this other big guy that was on the tier with me, Black, he came. Hey man, I want you to read something. Fish told me to give you something to read. You give me a stack of paperwork. I go in a cell, read the paperwork.

Starting point is 02:07:39 Now, the paperwork is pretty interesting to me because it talked about evolving a criminal mind into a revolutionary mind. Now, I remind you, I told you about my aunt, the militant, structured. A lot of stuff that was in the paperwork with stuff that she used to tell me about. And all this stuff stemmed from the Black Panther,

Starting point is 02:08:00 So in our paperwork, the Black Gorilla family was created by George L. Jackson. So the Black Gorilla family actually had real history. This wasn't no gang banging stuff. This was real American history. And when I read about it about George, I started reading George Jackson books. And when I started reading, the first book I got was Blood in My Eyes by George Jackson. Then I got Soul Dad Brothers by George Daxon. Then I got, was it sold on fire?

Starting point is 02:08:35 I just started reading the literature from the Panther Party. And like a week came of me having that paperwork, just reading it, the history of it, what it's about. And I liked it. I liked the structure. I liked this was something that was trying to make me a man. I liked something that was big on education. I like the fact, like I was going to be held accountable.

Starting point is 02:09:01 I liked the fact that they was 100% against gang bang. I like the fact that it had real history from real people that I could look up. It was, they founded this. And I like the fact that it had older men a part of it. Whereas though, the Bloods and Crips was just young, young guys running wild. And I like the fact it wasn't no sats. So in prison you had, you might have the treetop paroos. Then you have the L gang.

Starting point is 02:09:36 And they both call Bloods. Crips, you might have a roll in 60s, the different sets of Crips, right? But in BGF, it was just BGF and one chain of command. So I kind of liked it. I like that because it wasn't no division amongst one gang, right? And I was like, man, I liked this. But I had a crew of guys on my tid. It wasn't BGF.

Starting point is 02:10:03 There was my clique. I hung out with these dudes every day. So what I did was I came to them like, yo, read this pick. I wasn't supposed to give it to him, but this is my crew. I'm like, hey, y'all I'm thinking about doing this. I think y'all should do it with me. Read the paperwork. And I gave it to my man Dave, my man Big Nitty, Kwan and Wells.

Starting point is 02:10:22 I gave them the paperwork and I went to the law library and made copies. of it. So when they asked for the people work back, I still had it. Right. Because they didn't know how many copies, right? So I would come in the day room with them and be like, yo, this is what we should do. This going to bring us together because y'all from East Baltimore. I'm from West Baltimore. If we'd be the same thing, we could be together. So I decided like, yeah, I'm going to take the oaths because they came like, what's you going to do? You want to be choosing you? So I was like, yeah, I'm with it. And they gave you my oath. I spoke my oath. They burned it. Gave me my ashes.

Starting point is 02:10:56 run me in the BGF. And my sponsor was fish. So around that time, in order to get in BGF, once you get that, you take the Oaf and stuff, you take a picture. Now, the day that I took my Oaf, it was probably like 10 other guys that took the Oaf. Now, we all come to the yard,

Starting point is 02:11:18 stand up, you know, you got a member, a high-ranking member right there, and you got a member right there, and you spit the Oaf to them, They give you your hug, you were a part of the family. So it was like 10 of us, right? And but before you spit the oath, you give, before you spit the oath, it was a process. You have to go to the yard and take a picture and give it to one of the members.

Starting point is 02:11:41 This picture goes through a whole system of men. So if you have a charge, you're a chomo, you know that time. Yeah. You're a chomo or you gay or you're a snit. Anything, anything if it's bad going against the street code, usually come back with that pitcher. So that day it was 10 of us, but only like four of us got to be in BGF. Because a lot of people, pictures, if something come back,

Starting point is 02:12:12 it's going to have you, they're going to, when you flip the back of the pitcher, it's going to tell you the reason why you can't be BGF, and it's going to tell you, and you'll have a big X on your face, meaning, no, it's been rejected, you can't spit the oath. So, yeah, once you get accepted, then of course they give you the oath, you read it, you memorize it and you go spit it in front of them and then you officially a member. So I made it, right? I come back to the tear and they like, everybody's showing me love, yo, you're a con-now. Dudes, this BGF.

Starting point is 02:12:42 I see now, like, damn, you was BGF the whole time? They're like, yeah, Lil'Ivind. And when I say I took it serious, I felt like, yo, this is my time to, you know, this is my time to grow up be a man because now they got me you got to be out every morning you got to work out you got to know how many brothers is in the yard you got to know how to make a knife you have to know how to use your body as a weapon you know what I mean it was teaching me stuff right and um but it was a big chain of command and I was just like a little peon at the time of it right so um I had my little crew or whatever and my crew wound up becoming BG

Starting point is 02:13:24 So now all these guys that I told you I was with on L section is now black gorilla family. Right. Around this time, the jail was predominantly bloods. So it was more bloods in the Merlin system than anything, right? BGF was like new. BGF came from California. One out elders named Uncle Ray did time in Maryland system. They put him out, sent him to California.

Starting point is 02:13:55 He became BGF. He brought it back to Baltimore, and it spread it, right? But the bloods dominated. So in BGF, it was a bunch of older guys your age. Right. But these guys was different type of men. They were smart. They was educated.

Starting point is 02:14:15 They was with, they was getting high. They was junkies. I mean, they was dope fiends. But I guess the dope fane gave him the criminal. no edge, but they were still educating these were educated addicts that knew how to manipulate young guys.

Starting point is 02:14:32 So Fish, which was the guy I met on lockup, when I got off, when I came off a lockup, fish was the head position of the compound. He was the commander of the compound and he ran that shit like a military.

Starting point is 02:14:48 So, you know, everybody is like who your sponsor is. And I'm like, fish. And they're like, that's the leader. So it was an honor for him to bring me into it. Right. Because it's like you came over by a fish. This was like Achilles. Like, you know how Achilles is on Troy?

Starting point is 02:15:04 He was literally the Achilles of BGF. He was the one, okay, I'm going to tell you about the war, because what happened was a war between BGF and Bloods happened. Right. So Fish was like the first, out of the first younger generation of black, that came over into BGF and Merlin. So, and Fish was just different, yo. My man was supposed to be a UFC fighter.

Starting point is 02:15:29 He was just one of these guys. It was just built like that. And he could fight. And he was humble, though. But he was like, when they call him to crush something, he's going to crush something, right? And he was a workout junkie. So he had the highest rank.

Starting point is 02:15:47 And I start, like, coming to steady, I start really perfecting being BGF, right? I start learning everything, memorizing things, knowing my paperwork, knowing my rules, nor my constitution, and just get into the, I got into the culture deep. And the old ears used to always be like,

Starting point is 02:16:08 yo, you different from all the younger dudes, and they wind up giving me rank. So they made me a field general. And once I got into the position, a leadership, I start seeing my influence on people was like getting, easier.

Starting point is 02:16:23 You know what I mean? I had more respect. And that led to me getting shipped to Petuxet. They shipped you because of that? No, they shipped me. No, they shipped me because I remember I told you when I was in the juvenile system. The judge gave me certain programs to do. Right.

Starting point is 02:16:45 Right. So I had to go to a program, a program in Patuxet. And Patuxa was like a youth offender program and you go do this program. It's called, I forgot the name. It's like an R-DAT in the feds program. You do that. And then your time. So I was like, all right, cool.

Starting point is 02:17:03 I'm going there, right? I get down there, but I'm BGF now. And the word and travel, yo, I'm BGF. So everywhere you go in the Maryland system, as soon as you get into jail, BGF usually know who you is, right? So I came in that jail and I wind up. Damn, this story deep. I wind up coming into the program and I'm in a drug program.

Starting point is 02:17:29 So, of course, we in the dorm and the women are the counselors, which are, they work on the outside, right? So when I get into this program, it's this dude in there that's a BGF member name, J.B. Right? And J.B., he was a rock. He was a little short, cocky, stocky, black dude goes in his mouth. real loud and the comrades I grew up around wasn't loud. So when I got around him, it was like, yo, why are you doing all that? Like, you're too loud.

Starting point is 02:18:01 Like, that ain't how I was taught to be, right? And it was him and there, and it was my guy named, uh, shit man. That's his name. Shitman was like six, seven. I mean, he was tall. He was like, he was like, LeBron James and, jail. Young guy, he was just big as shit, and he was BGF.

Starting point is 02:18:26 And, you know, me and him came together because we didn't have rank at the time, but we was like the only VGF guys there, and he was the tallest, biggest one. And I always knew to be the friend of the big man. Right. Just in case I needed him, right? So, man, I'm like, yo, we need to get together and get the guys together and, you know, get some order and structure in this dorm we're going to be in because we're going to be in here. So he's like, cool.

Starting point is 02:18:49 And he was the big guy. So I knew if I said something and he backed it. They would listen. Yeah. Right. So that's how we had a little order going. Long story short, we had the phone. So BGF and every jail had a phone.

Starting point is 02:19:04 You had the BGF phone. You had DMI. DMI is called the Dead Man Incorporated, which was an extension of BGF but was white because white boys couldn't be a part of BGF. But it was a guy named Rock who committed a murder and helped the comrade that was BGF, Black Panther said they didn't want white people

Starting point is 02:19:26 were part of the Black Panther Party, but they knew that it was all white people wasn't racist, right? So they helped him create his own organization was called Dead Man Incorporation, and it was like a, it was a sympathizer to BGF, so we had a strong alliance. So Lauren Stores, Short, everybody had phones.

Starting point is 02:19:53 You had the DMI phone. You had the BGF phone, the blood phones, the Muslim phone, the civilian phone. We had to go out for a wreck and wasn't nobody using our phone. I stayed then. I used the phone already. I'm going to just get in the shower, make my food and stuff, right? So it wasn't nobody using the BGF phone. So, of course, the civilians in the dorm used to ask, like, yo, y'all, anybody mine if I,

Starting point is 02:20:19 so do you come at the shower? say, you mind if I use this phone? So I'm like, yeah, go with it. All right. So while I'm in the shower, shower, they come back for rec. The guy's on the phone, the white boy, he on the phone.

Starting point is 02:20:32 The black guy come back in. Who the fuck told you, use my phone? But mind you, I don't hear none of this because I'm in the shower. So I'm washing up. And somebody coming to the shower, like, yo, you need to get your man and tell you, man, chill.

Starting point is 02:20:49 Because that white boy, that white boy, like, he's about to do something. Because the white boy, so I go out like, J.B., what happened? He's like, man, I had to booth on him. Boothing me, hang the phone up on him, tell him get out the phone, get the fuck on. And I'm like, yo, why would you do that? And I told him he could use the phone.

Starting point is 02:21:06 And then, like, why are you making it hot? Like, you still got to be respectful. So he's like, man, fuck that white boy. And so I looked down, he and his slippers. That's a violation. So I said, yo, then you and your slippers? Bro, go put your shoes on. He's like, all, I'm going to put him on that.

Starting point is 02:21:21 Get out the phone. Boom. So I go back to my bunk and something tell me to go holl at the white boy to try to smooth it out, right? Right. So I go over his bunk.

Starting point is 02:21:33 Now the white boy is in his locker and he crunched down in his locker like he's getting something. So when I walk up, I'm like, hey, bro, he turned around to see me. He instantly like, and go in his dip. So I'm like, but his back turned. Like, he's like, what's up?

Starting point is 02:21:48 So I'm like, I'm like, bro, let me hollad. It ain't, I say, I ain't, he's like, no, I just came from the pen, this day and the third, blah, blah, bye, ain't going to let y'all what y'all BGF dudes do. So I'm like, yo, I'm not, I'm the one that let you use the phone. No, hell no, he called me out my name, blah, blah, blah. Mind you, he has a knife on him. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 02:22:10 It was a homosexual dude that slept next to him. And the homosexual dude was looking at me like, nigger, you need to get a weapon because he, he, He turned up. The white boy turned up now, right? And I'm kind of like, don't want to turn my back tone. Right. Because I think he's going to do something to me. So the homosexual dude had a lot.

Starting point is 02:22:34 And he went like this and put it into his bead. So I'm like, yo, mind you, I see him go like this. But he's so directed at me, he didn't see him put the lock on the bed. So I'm like, look, bro, just chill. He went out the night. Man, man, what's up? So I'm like, you're really going to do that right here? He's like, man, what's up, man?

Starting point is 02:22:59 Fuck all that. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. So now as he talked, I'm like, like, step back. As soon as I took one step back, he charged. And when he charged me, he went like, you know what I mean? Right. And it was a chair right there where it was, well, on this side, it was a chair and it was that big where that lock was at. And I grabbed the chair.

Starting point is 02:23:18 And when I grabbed the chair, I put the chair up. And I never forget when he hit it, the ice pick went through the chair, boom! So I was like, oh shit, and he kept hitting, boom. Because he's trying to like get to me. Right. But I got the chair between this. And I remember I pushed the chair and let it go,

Starting point is 02:23:35 and I grabbed the lock. And he had one swing. He came and he swung at me. And when he swung, he swung so hard, and I weaved around it. When he swung, it like pulled his horse down. Pulled his force down. And I hit him on the top of the head with the lock.

Starting point is 02:23:52 Mow! And I kept hitting him. Mow! Now, he didn't drop the knife. He busted his blood everywhere, and he ran out on the tear. And they came and got me. So now I'm back on lock up. Was the lock connected to anything?

Starting point is 02:24:10 The lock was on my hand. Just your oath. Okay. It was like, hold on to this foot dear. Like, this lock is going to protect me. So I took the lock with my trigger finger and locked it. And I used that. like it was on a belt, right?

Starting point is 02:24:23 So now I'm on lockup, everybody like, yo, you blew it. Because if you get put out this program, you lose all your good chronic. So now I'm on lockup, right? While I'm on lockup, they put me in the cell. They like, yo, you better hope that dude don't die. I'm like, for real, they like, yo,

Starting point is 02:24:44 his head was split open to the white meat. Like, he passed out. You know how people in jail just, make it so, it's like they'd be happy to know you fucked up because they like, yo, they might give you life for this. You like, they make it just so bad, right? So they like, yo, then where your max date at? I'm like, shit, my shit at 2010, it's 2008.

Starting point is 02:25:07 So I had two years left. They're like, they're going to take all your, where your max? I'm like, my max is 2013. They're like, you're mandatory 2010. They're like, yeah, you might as well get ready to see 2013 because you ain't coming home. So I'm like, man, so boom, the CEO calling myself, he like, he ain't looking good. They say that boy in a coma.

Starting point is 02:25:30 I'm like, for real, he had a fucking knife. They don't, they like, I'm like, that's why I say he had a night. They're like, ain't you find no knife? So I'm like, Joe, is you serious? They like, you better hope the cameras can see it. So I'm like, fuck. So, you know, everybody in that jail that was friends of mine, They sending me stuff on lockup.

Starting point is 02:25:52 Because everybody's like a badge on when you fuck somebody up in jail. Right. So everybody's showing me love. So the day come up for me to go up for this sanction. And that lady said, what happened? I tell her what happened. This and the third.

Starting point is 02:26:07 We got the fight. And she like, well, you know what you locked up for violence. You're in here for violence. And you still haven't learned. She said, you don't learn, son. So where she gave me to talk? Like my heart just like, she's about to punish me. And my guy had a jailhouse attorney.

Starting point is 02:26:25 So I had this white boy named Jeff and he just in there trying to defend me. He's like my lawyer. And he like, we're doing excellent in the program. He's fighting. And he's like, I got you. I got found guilty. So she's like, I'm finding you guilty of category. 101 assaulting the ammate, something on the staff.

Starting point is 02:26:45 Like she got and then she was like, and I'm giving you a year consecutive for each charge. So I said a year Can second Hold on lockup I thought the most I'm supposed to get It's 60 days This is my first time Being on lockup

Starting point is 02:27:00 Like in the prison system And she said These are category ones I could give you up to a year For category one You have four of them So I said So how many years I'm gonna get

Starting point is 02:27:11 She's like I'm gonna drop one of them But you're gonna get two years For these two And then you're gonna get Six months for this and then six months for this. Talleyed up, it was three years on lockup. I went to my cell.

Starting point is 02:27:28 I'm talking about that was the worst day. I spazzed, for one, I spazzed out in there. They had to carry me back to myself, cuffed me up, and carry me. Right? Because I couldn't believe I got three years on lockup, right? So when I get to sell my cell buddy name, I had a cell buddy named Marlowe. And Marlowe was like a slick, dope boy. and he was catching

Starting point is 02:27:50 smack in the jail he's going and catching it right and I'm like shit yo you're going to get some you're going to get some smack you're going to just get high so I'm like all right cool and I never forget he came back

Starting point is 02:28:04 well he caught when he was supposed to he caught the drugs and he like man the weed ain't come so I'm like what came the only thing came was the dog food so I'm like damn I'm like, damn, I don't fuck with that shit, right?

Starting point is 02:28:22 He's like, oh, you don't fuck with the dog food? Mind you, I ain't know he fucked with the dog food, right? Because he ripped up tattoos everywhere. And he's like, I'm like, hell, no, I don't fuck with that shit. He's like, oh, all right, shit. So I go sit, I'm on the bottom bunk. He on the top. He had a phone at the time.

Starting point is 02:28:39 So he in the cell on his phone. I just hit. So I'm like, what the fuck is the baller up there doing? And I hit again. Then he jumped down. Go get the water. So I said, yo, you sniffed that shit? He like, if I'm here and there, I'm like, how that shit be having you?

Starting point is 02:29:03 He like, shit, I'd be Gucci. Mind you, he is high, his nostril is, like, red as shit. He just looked like he high. So he like, you want to fuck my one? You want to try it? So I'm like, yeah, let me try it. This is my birthday. This is my birthday.

Starting point is 02:29:22 I didn't went on lockup two days before my birthday. So it's my birthday now, right? So I'm like, he's like, I'm gonna give you a little bit of it. Just sniff it. So I'm like, man, I'm like, high school, hey, you're like, you're gonna be chill, bro. I'm like, all right, put it up there. So he take the paper, take a little bit out of his thing, put on there, he put it like on my thing. He put it like, now he just go, damn.

Starting point is 02:29:51 And it came down my throat. And I'm like, He's like, m-mm, swallow it. So I swallowed it. Boom. So I'm like, I don't feel nothing. He's like, now due to iva nostril. I hit it.

Starting point is 02:30:07 He like, don't spit it out, swallow it. I swallowed it. Boom. Mind you, it didn't just kick in. So I sat on the bed. It was like not even a minute went by. I sat on the bed. And I'm like, damn, I don't feel nothing.

Starting point is 02:30:22 But my nose still like, it's like, it's like, it's making me. Because it's like, I'm trying to get it. it out my nose so I keep sniffling. And as I sniffle, the drainage of it, I could just taste the, right? And the next thing I know, I remember something slapped me.

Starting point is 02:30:40 Ma! Get up! And I look up. He like, you high shit, boy. I was gnawed. I didn't gnawed it out. And now I'm like, yo, what the fuck you get me, bro? I'm like, man, what the hell you get me?

Starting point is 02:30:52 Like, why I feel? Because now I'm hot. It feels like I got the flu or something. I'm hot. I'm cool. I talk to him, but then I'm like, it's like I can't,

Starting point is 02:31:03 it's out of control. So now I'm like, yo, I can't take this shit. I'm on the ground. I took my shirt off because I'm so hot in the cell. I'm like,

Starting point is 02:31:12 I can't take this. So he, now he high too because he kept sniffing. So his shit is red. He then took his shirt off, tied around his head, and he in the cell,

Starting point is 02:31:21 he got his boxes on. He keeps banging on his chest so his chest is like red and shit and we just walking back and forth and I'm sitting on the bunk high because I can't handle it. So I get to throwing up.

Starting point is 02:31:36 He's like, you can't, you are working, shorthy. So boom, he comes, oh shit, get your shit together. The counselors on the tear. So I'm like, the counselors on the tear, mind you, these are the women who are our counselors.

Starting point is 02:31:50 Right. These are drug counselors coming up to lockup to see if I'm good to go back in the drug program. So I'm like, fuck. I'm like, he like, get your shit together. You know they're going to come in because they like, is Mr. Potts back there?

Starting point is 02:32:03 So I'm like, shit. So when they don't get throwing water on our face, I'm like, yo, I'm like, man, do I look how he like, you good? I'm like, but I'm looking at him like, yo, you look high as shit. Your nose is red as I don't know what. So they like, I hear him like, what sell is they in? They tell us they sell. Now I look to the peak out. I see all the counselors coming back to our cell.

Starting point is 02:32:25 Right? they get the outsell. Mr. Potts, why would you do that? You was just about to go home. Like, they are mad that I blew it. Like, they're going to, now they're telling me like, oh yeah, they're taking your good days. They're giving, they came up there to deliver bad news to me.

Starting point is 02:32:43 So they're like, yeah, you're not, they, so I'm like, I'm not coming up back in the program. They're like, no, you have to complete your three years on lockup. And then you could put it for the program and get back on the waiting list. So I'm like, for real. And they're like, why your nose, they're like, why your nose red like that? Mr. Pots, mind you, I'm fried, right? And I'm like, nothing.

Starting point is 02:33:05 So they're like, Mr. Pots, you got to get your stuff together because it looked like you've been using something. And so I just see her while she talked to me to other counseling looking like, what the hell Marlowe is in the back of me, right? Because he got to stay still and it's like, so he in the back of me. So she like, I forgot his last name, but she like, what's wrong with him? So I'm like, man, he just been up all day. She's like, his ass looked like he on that dope.

Starting point is 02:33:41 So I'm like, oh shit. So then he just walk off. So he's like, I can't take this shit no more. You got me standing still for them bitches? And I'm like, so born, I wound him getting put out that jail. And they sent me to North Branch. North Branch is the Ultramacks. They sent me up there.

Starting point is 02:34:02 I was on lockup. And then from there, they sent me to the old jail. And in the old jail, I wind up, basically, when I got to the old jail, I wound up getting my shit together. I had a cell buddy named Capone. I met on lockup. And he was like, yo, you're going to wind up doing a whole 10 years. I've been in here since I was 15. I'm 30 something years old now.

Starting point is 02:34:23 You're like, I was supposed to go home on this day. Right. And I'm like, so. So you're looking at a, I'm gonna fuck up for real. So I'm like, and he was just smart. And he was like, you, you're gonna do 10 years the way you're going, bro. You need to get your fucking GED. Like, he was just in the cell like getting my, like, you didn't waste,

Starting point is 02:34:41 you didn't been here three years and you ain't get no GED. He was just getting in my shit. He's like, so you need to, when I leave out this cell, I'm gonna write a fucking point system of all the shit you need to handle. And this dude, every day he was making me read. He was just on my ass like a big brother. He wasn't BGF or nothing. He was just a regular guy that supposed to have been home

Starting point is 02:35:02 and he fucked up his sentence because he was being young and dumb, right? So I met him and I wound up to start doing good in jail and because now when I came off a compound, I got ranking in BGF, right? So long story short, I wind up doing good at the old jail and he wound up sending me back to the drug program. Now when I got back in the jail, I'm a little older. So I'm probably at that time, I'm probably like 22, right?

Starting point is 02:35:33 Yeah, 22. And I'd have been in prison for about 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. I'd have been in prison about five years now. So I'm ripped. I'm like 22, ripped up. BGF. I'm like baby fish. They like, like people would give me respect.

Starting point is 02:35:52 They're giving them phial to fuck news up one-on-one. I didn't stab a few dudes. So now when I came back to that jail, my reputation was just like, I'm the boss. So when I came back to that jail, the counselor, Ms. Duckworth, right? She came to me and she was like,

Starting point is 02:36:12 are you going to stay out of trouble this time, Mr. Potts? And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to stay out of trouble. Because I'm trying to go home at this point. I'm trying to get my, once I complete this, I get my good days back. And my good days is 2009 now. My good days, if I get them back, I would be going home in 2010. So, you know, I'm like a student in this motherfucker.

Starting point is 02:36:33 I'm participating in the drug, all the classes I'm there. And I wind up getting a crush on one of the counselors, right? I wound up getting a crush on one of the counselors. So I started letting the guys, it was this older guy in my dorm. And he was like, a young fella, he like, I'd be watching. He like, them girls are. like you, man. And I'm like, for real. Now, at this time, Baltimore City was known for a lot of guys I sit in jail was messing with COs, right? So, um, he like, hey man, he like, I think if you shoot

Starting point is 02:37:09 a shot at Miss Duckworth, you will get her. So I'm like, you think so? You like, man, I'd be checking out when like, knowing the program and shit, I be, she'd be on you. And I thought that. But you know how we are in jail? Like, we didn't, we think, everybody. Like, girls say, How you doing today? We like, oh, she got a crush on me when that might not even be the case, right? So I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to write a letter. What the, I mean, what else can she do?

Starting point is 02:37:37 So my other friend, aren't you close to getting home? Yeah, right. My other friend like, yo, don't write her a letter. Why would she? I'm like, yo, was she on me? He's like, yo, you're feeling yourself. You think because you ripped up. It's everybody around here ripped up.

Starting point is 02:37:53 Like, don't do it. So I'm like, I'm like, I. So that next day, she called me. So we used to go into these rooms. And when we go into these rooms, that's where we had the classes. But after your class leave, it just, you can have your one-on-one session with the counselor. So as I'm walking past our classroom, she called me, hey, Mr. Potts. I'm like, hey, you know, I've been waiting for it to say something to me.

Starting point is 02:38:18 So I'm like, hey. So I'm like, this is my opportunity to tell her how I feel about her, right? So she's like, how do you spell? I forgot conscience. I was like, oh, that's easy. And I spelt the force. She was like, oh, you know how to spell. I was like, hell yeah, girl.

Starting point is 02:38:35 But now my heart is racing too because I want to shoot my shot. But that fears on if I would if I say the wrong thing. What if she say, oh, he's, what if she hit the panic button and all the seals come? So I'm like, I'm like, yeah, how do y'all read her? I'm like, do you read? You like, yeah, I'll be reading. I was like, oh, I got a book. for you to read because I'm like, I got to find out, figure out something to keep us engaged, right?

Starting point is 02:39:00 So I go get a book conspiracy to destroy black women. And she bring me a book coldest when I have an urban novel. So I gave it a book. She go home. I go back to my bump, right? So now I'm telling the old, the only person I tell is the old lady who told me to go at it. So I say, oh, I went, I got this book from her. He like, see? And you just work. He's teaching me like, But now you just go, every time she come in, you greet her. You know what I mean? You tell her, you know what I mean, be respectful. And every, at the end of y'all sessions, get the one-on-one.

Starting point is 02:39:36 So I'm like, all right. So next day she comes to work, I do everything he say. And I get the one-on-one. She's like, sure, I get you a one-on-one. So I come lunchtime, I'll call to him. I say, she gave me a one-on-one. He's like, now, now that's when you tell her how you feel. You feel me?

Starting point is 02:39:53 So I was like, don't you think it's a little early? he like, go with your gut. Just do that. You got to tell you what to do. And my gut told me, don't say it yet, right? So I ain't shoot my shot. I just act like I, you know, telling about my childhood and stuff like that

Starting point is 02:40:11 because she was a counselor. And she came to me one day like, I was like, did you read this book? I read the book she gave me. So I'm like, I'm done with the book you gave me. She was like, yeah, I don't really like your book like that. So I was like, she just read this whole fucking book.

Starting point is 02:40:29 Yeah, I'm like, I just read all your book. Like, how you don't like? She's like, I'm not really into that type of stuff. Conspiracy destroyed black women. She's like, I don't see that type. I'm like, oh, okay. So she was like, but, you know, it is his own. So I was like, yeah, so can I holler at you after,

Starting point is 02:40:46 you think I can holler at you after the end of all the sessions? She was like, howling me about what? And she just gave me a look. And I was just like, well, shit, I complete this. I do go home. And she was like, yeah, we could, we're talk. So I was like, oh, shit. I felt like, oh, maybe she's saying I should give her a letter or something to read, right?

Starting point is 02:41:09 So I went back. I could pull my old head to the side. I say, hey, this was going on, man. He's like, yeah, yeah, you got that thing wet. She feigning for you. He says, so now what you do is now you give her a letter. He's like, just let me read it before you get it. So I wrote up.

Starting point is 02:41:29 I write up a long letter too. I'm just talking about everything, girl, you inspire me. But I'm really at this time, bro, I ain't had Cucci. I got locked up as a juvenile. So I ain't, like, at this time, my hormones is like, I got hit something. So I wrote the letter and he read it and he's like, you can't go straight in like that, young man. You can't talk about fucking her and all that.

Starting point is 02:41:55 Like, you, he like, do it. Just say you want to get the Noah. You know what I mean? She's a good girl. He said, because these are professional women. You're talking to her like she a hoe. He like, that right there going to make her give it to somebody or report you. He like, just said how you started off was good.

Starting point is 02:42:14 But when you get to the end, you got a little don't talk about sex. I was like, all right, I read it. I read this. He read it. That's perfect. So the next morning, I go to my, I go to my, you know, all sessions or whatever. And after the session, I was like, hey, Miss Duckworth, can I holler at you? She was like, well, no one-on-ones today, but you can holl at the table.

Starting point is 02:42:41 And mind you, everybody, be at the table. So I'm like, fuck. So I'm like, I go to the table anyway. I'm like, now my heart is like, should I give it a note? Should I, because she's being mean now. Like, this ain't the same girl. Like, she's talking to everybody. I ain't talking to me.

Starting point is 02:42:58 So I just, like, kicked under the table, kicked her foot, like, boom. And she looked up. I was like, and she went under there and she grabbed it. I was like, oh, shit. So right, like, right at that guy I grabbed, I just got up and walked off, right? So the old head said, young, he, because he used to sit in the middle of the aisle, had his chair up, doing his cross where her puzzle got his glass, You know how a fat belly.

Starting point is 02:43:25 He's just doing his little three-eared bit and he's going home, right? So I come back to the bun. He said, what happened? I said, I gave it to him. He said, did she take it? I was like, yeah. Like, now I just fall back. Now the ball in your court.

Starting point is 02:43:40 Well, I fall back. Now, mind you, a day go by, she don't say nothing. A next day go by, she don't say nothing. A week go by, she ain't even saying nothing to me. Amos Duckworth, hey. So I'm like, what the f- I'm like, damn, she must not be feeling me, right? So young, you're like, well, shit,

Starting point is 02:44:01 if she ain't feeling you, I mean, all right, she can get you locked up. Yeah, you're lucky. Yeah, like, you could. Like, she just ain't feeling you. Going to the next girl. So the day to graduate come, right? I go get my certificate graduate.

Starting point is 02:44:16 I'm getting my good days back now, right? That same day that I graduate, I went back, shift change, mail coming out. They call me for male Ivan pots. I get a card and it's a thick letter in there. So I'm looking, but it's no name. It's just an address with no name. Open it up.

Starting point is 02:44:37 It's a letter for my baby mother. Well, she's my baby mother now. It's a letter from my counselor. Oh, okay. And she's telling me, like, you young, you got a lot of potential, but that BGF stuff, I fear that it could be, you know what I mean, bad. She's telling me good stuff.

Starting point is 02:44:53 Like, she's like, but I can't talk. to you through these circumstances because of my job. Right. You know what I mean? And so when she gave me the letter, the next day, you know, I seen her like, yo, because she really wrote me a front and page, three-page letter telling me how she feel about me. So I was like, yo, like, this girl feeling me.

Starting point is 02:45:12 So I went to her, I was like, how can I stay in contact with you? And she was like, to be real, if you really want me, you will find me. And I'm like, but you just. gave me, you just said all this? She was like, yeah. I'm like, but you know I leave tomorrow. So I might not even see you again. You're going home?

Starting point is 02:45:32 No, I'm going back to prison. So this was a program that was inside a prison. I'm going back to the prison, right? So that was it. So I wound up getting back to prison. I got my good days back. So now I'm going home. I had like nine months.

Starting point is 02:45:51 No, I'm going to say like a year, a year left on my sentence. right so um when i get there um everybody like yo you about to go home that's down the third so everybody like letting me just chill right and one day i'm talking to my brother on the phone and he telling me like yo you got to get a facebook page and i'm like what the fuck is facebook and he like yo it's this thing you can connect with people it's like a social network and i'm like yeah make me a facebook page then I'm like, he all right, boom, he makes me one. And he like, he like, yeah. So I'm like, so you could find people on there?

Starting point is 02:46:29 And he's like, yeah, if I put their name in, if they got a Facebook page, we can find them. So I said, put this name in. And I said her name, my counselor name. And it popped up. And I said, send her a message and tell her, just say, Ivan said, he sent his love and he hope everything is going okay with you. And she sent me a phone number. And when she sent me her phone number, I called them prison. She said, how can I come and visit you?

Starting point is 02:46:57 She's, that's balzy. Yeah. That's balzy. She came and visited me until I came home. Really? Yeah, and that's my daughter-mother. Huh. Now I get her number.

Starting point is 02:47:08 I call her, and she's like, yo, put me on your visiting room. I mean, you put me on the visiting list. I want to come and see you. So I'm like, all right, cool. So now I'm, like, feeling like, the most slickest. guy in prison. You know what I mean? People wanted Ms. Duckworth. Everybody

Starting point is 02:47:26 wanted her. Like, we lusted off of. We, it was like, she was like Miss Parker off of Friday. Right. So, um, my cell buddy used to be like, damn, yo, you got a counselor. Like, that's, that's bigger than a CO. Right. Like, you got a counselor.

Starting point is 02:47:41 Right. So, um, I put a number on my list and she, like, put me on a visiting list. And the first day she'd come and see, me. I never forget, I walked in there. I went to, I went out early in the morning, worked out because of course I'm going to be, you know, buff when I go in the air, got my shower. So everybody like, why are you all in the shower? I got my mirror in my shower, got my hair cut. And I go up on, they call me for a visit. I get up there. And man, that was like one of the most beautiful incites saying her. I was just like, damn, I ain't seen, this is like my first visit from

Starting point is 02:48:14 a girl. And yeah, there wasn't nobody coming to see me in jail. Like, I was just like growing up in jail without my mom and my grandmother was coming but that was it so i didn't get to see girls and stuff like that i had my friends sending me pictures and stuff because all these people are growing up now but i didn't have no interaction with females so when she came and like touching her and smelling her it was just like i love this right so um long story short she asked me she say she said because you got a lot of time and she like um so send me all your stuff so i can start getting your resinses and stuff like that together for you. She was like,

Starting point is 02:48:52 send me a copy of your diploma. I didn't have a diploma. Right. So I lied, though. I was like, all right. She was like, you got your high school diploma, right? I was like, hell yeah. Lying, right?

Starting point is 02:49:03 I go back to myself. And it slipped my mind that she asked me, so I get all my little stuff I got her send her. I send her some stuff home. And like little certificates, I got the little drug addiction certificate. And she, I call her. The next day, she's like, well, like, three days later, she's like, I got your mail.

Starting point is 02:49:24 She's like, but it's missing something. I'm like, what's this missing? She's like, your diploma ain't in there. You're going to need that. So I'm like, oh, I just got to get copies of it. About a week go by. She reminds you, she's coming to see me every week. So another week go by.

Starting point is 02:49:40 She's like, why you ain't sending your diploma yet? So I'm like, because I'm waiting for them to send me copy. You know, I'm lying. Like, they got to get, um, they got to. to email the board of education. And so she was like, well, I could do that. So I'm like, please don't. She's like, you know what?

Starting point is 02:49:57 I'll just call up there. You know what, baby? Don't stress yourself out. I'll call up there. So I was like, no, no. I specifically got to get them because this is the prison. And they're two different board of educations. She was like, well, she said, I had to look that up when I go home.

Starting point is 02:50:14 So now I'm like, when I leave out to visit, I'm like, I got to get my GED. Right. I got to. Right. And now everything Capone was telling me in the cell is you, a girl going to look at you as a dumbass, nigga, you've been here eight years and you ain't get no GED. So I wound up enrolling in school. And that girl made me the first chance.

Starting point is 02:50:34 I scored high shit on my GED. I did it. Ace the essays because they told me like, well, you go home in three months, Mr. Pots. If you could come in here and take the placement test and score high, we could get you to take the GED. And I scored above the 12th raid. So they let me take the GED and I passed it. You also been reading books for fucking eight years. So my comprehension level like up here, right?

Starting point is 02:50:58 So the day I come home, my counselor met me at the gate, picked me up, drove me from Higglestown, Maryland back to Baltimore. Get to Baltimore, you know, my mom and them, everybody happy to see me but one person, my stepfather. Because now I ain't that little boy no more. I'm big. I'm ripped up. He was cool, but I kind of felt like after all, after all of years of me being away, and I never had a good relationship.

Starting point is 02:51:35 But with him and her situation, I think he felt like I was a threat now, because I'm grown and shit, and I don't have no relationship with my mother because I've been raised by my grandmother. So around that time, I tried to like, you know, I had my counselor in my ear. This is my girlfriend. So she's straight and narrow.

Starting point is 02:51:58 She's not with drug dealing. She would get in the job doing it the right way. And I tried. I tried. But at that time, I'm like 25. And I'm like, yo, I'm seeing guys younger than me ride past me while. I'm standing on the bus stop. And they like, yo, you need a ride?

Starting point is 02:52:21 And I'm like, yeah. And they like, ha. Like, but these my friends, though. They spend the block, like, good in, yo. But they spend the block, get in, y'all. And they take me. But I got tired of like, like, I was broke, bro. Like, I ain't had no money, right?

Starting point is 02:52:38 And my mother ain't give me no money. Like, I ain't have nothing coming home. So my first week home, I got a good friend, which is a good friend of mine. It was like a best friend of mine. Not demo, but this is another friend of mine. This is from my block. And when I left prison, we was both on the same level selling drugs, right?

Starting point is 02:53:04 I wind up going down Winchester and doing my thing going to jail. He stayed home. He ain't the same drug dealing no more. He's a big man now, right? So he heard I'm home. And he come to my mom house, right? And when he come and pick me up, he and the CL 63 AMG Benz. He jumped out.

Starting point is 02:53:27 He got a Rolex on. And it's like, damn, this shit I read in a Sister Soldier book, right? He does. He got his head cut. You know, he's like, yo, I'm going to take you shopping, bop, bop, bop, welcome back, boy. So I'm like, cool. I'm like, damn, go. Like, oh, you, you, like, yeah, I ain't the same no more, yo.

Starting point is 02:53:49 I'm on another level now. Like, I don't, I ain't just around away no more. So I'm like, all right, cool. I jumped in there with him. He gave me a stack of $5 bills. It's like, $3,000 worked for $5 bills. So it was a lot, it was a stack. And I was like, he was like, yeah, these are all my fives.

Starting point is 02:54:08 We're going to go shopping. And so I'm like, I go through every bill. Every bill was $5. He's like, I'll just be saving. them. So I'm like, okay, boom, he takes me shopping. This is when true religion first came out. And this was my first time in Nordstrom's. Right. And my, he's like, just grab whatever you want. So I'm grabbing stuff. Not looking at tags, just grabbing it. When I get to the counter, I got like a clet of stuff. I got a bunch of stuff, right? And I remember they rung up a shirt.

Starting point is 02:54:39 And that shit said $229. And I was like, is that $2,000? And I was like, is that $2, 229. She was like, yeah. I was like, oh, put that back. Yeah. He was like, no, man, you good. And I was like, no, bro, I could get about four shirts with that. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:54:56 Right? He's like, no, yo, you all right. This is what I wear. James, 300. I'm like, so when we left out of there, and then when I went to pay with my money, he like, I got it. So, of course, when we left out of there, I asked him like, yo what the fuck is you doing he like yo he like you i'm the man i got a youtube channel no

Starting point is 02:55:21 he's like yo i'm the man yo he's like i'm getting money now so we go back to his condo and like he's not you and all your buddies uh in a one bedroom right right yeah this is i'm not I never, when I left the street was me and my buddies in a apartment together, thugging it out. You know what I mean? This dude is like in a penthouse type condo with an elevator,

Starting point is 02:55:51 a garage. It's like Scarface movie. Everything is white in there. You know, he got this big flat screen TV on the wall, Marble top. He is a king, fuck a drug dealer. He's a king pen, right?

Starting point is 02:56:05 So I'm like, I'm kind of like scared. Like I don't want to get caught up in this type shit. But this is my friend. I'm kind of excited about it too, right? Right. So he's like, yo, all you got to do is listen, this day and the third, blah, blah, and you're going to get some money with me. So I'm like, all right, cool. He like, and you're like, and you're going to get this.

Starting point is 02:56:26 How are you going to be, you want to be a rapper. And you know, I was a lot the whole time I'm locked up. I'm writing raps. Right. I'm like, I'm going to be a rapper when I go home. And he like, and he's like, and he can. kept drilling my head, like, but if you want to rap, you're going to need some money to rap. What you're going to rap about? You being broke. You can't, you standing on a bus stop,

Starting point is 02:56:44 and then he's right. He like, yeah, he like, then you, then you, you, you, because he knew I was BGF, and he's like, you BGF, them dudes broke. So I'm like, no, but he's like, yo, they broke, bro. I'm telling you, telling you, I know them gang dudes. Them dudes that kill you for some money. And I'm like, okay. But mind you, I don't know, like, his level of understanding. And I'm like, nigger, they're my brothers. I'm just kind of, they're my brothers. But he was right. Eventually, he goes. So, long story short, I didn't want to sell drugs. So I was like, y'all, I'm just due to rap stuff. I'm in, and try to work in things. So, you know, he's cool. He gave my clothes. I go back in the house of my baby mother. And my baby mother, like,

Starting point is 02:57:31 where you get all this stuff from? And I tell her, like, yo, my friend, he on his feet, he's doing good. And she just like, that ain't good, Ivan. Like, you need to stay away from around that, all right? And I'm like, yeah, bop, bop, bop. So what happened was I needed a job. So I decided to sign up to a job training program that promised that it was going to get me a job in two weeks if I complete the program. I get in that job program and I'm doing a job.

Starting point is 02:58:03 And I never forget, it was a blizzard one day. And that job program that I graduated from got me a job at this factory called Solo Cup. It was a cup factory. They make a bunch of cups. Everybody has Solar Cups. Yeah, everybody know about Solo Cups. So that was my first legitimate job, right? And I remember they was paying me 830 an hour.

Starting point is 02:58:28 Right. And I had to travel from Lansdown all way to Owens Mills, which was like an hour and some change. Getting on the train was almost like two hours to get there, right? And I had to do this every day to go to work. And I never forget, it was snowing outside. It was a blizzard. And it started snowing early during the day by nighttime came. It was like snow everywhere, right? and I woke my, I had to be the work at, my shift was 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. So it's like nine. I asked my baby mother, I'm like, hey, can you take me up to the subway? And she's like, nah. So she's like, I'm not doing this every day.

Starting point is 02:59:12 Every day I'm not obligated to take you to the subway. You just could catch the bus and then go to the subway. So I said, yo, it's a blizzard outside. And she was like, what I got to do with that? It's a man on the bus stop right now in the blizzard. I look out, it is a man on there. So I'm like, yo, you're going to be petty like that and not take me to the subway

Starting point is 02:59:31 and you got a car? She was like, man, call it what you want. And from that day, I sat in that blizzard, I was like, yo, I ain't going to never be, I don't want to never depend on no girl to be able to help me in this struggle because I felt like my baby mom, I was like, you starting to like not understand

Starting point is 02:59:51 that I need your support. I don't have no support but you. But now it's like you treat me like I'm a liability kind of, right? So I went to work that day and I called my man up. I say, yo, I think I want to take up that offer. And, hey, that's when things turned up to a whole other level. And that's like another two-hour conversation, man. That's like part two to this.

Starting point is 03:00:16 So you're going to come back? Yeah, I come back. Yeah, all right. So this is the corrupt cops, the next person. The federal says the whole thing. I got a little ranking BGF now, fish home. And fishing gutter and fish is home. Right.

Starting point is 03:00:35 Gutter was the head blood, which was running the prison system. But when BGF started recruiting younger guys, BGF came like this. And what happened is the bloods and BGF wound up clashing. So if people are interested, where can they find you? You can find me on YouTube at at OG. S-P-O-T-T-I-E, Spottie, O-G-U-T-I-E. Same thing on TikTok, YouTube. You could put Ivan Pats on YouTube.

Starting point is 03:01:07 Yeah, I got a new mixtape just came out called Mind of the Dragon Volume 1. It's promoting. Got a single-out look at me. And I got a bunch of merch coming out. So look for me in the near future, man. I'm definitely going to be in your face. Hey, you guys. I really appreciate you watching.

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