Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Inmate Sleeps With Officer, Escapes Jail & Steals Thousands! | Joe Baker

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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I'm being held as a maximum security inmate. I'm sleeping with the officer when I escaped from the jail. Ran to the house. I said, look, I gave her the number. He said, as soon as you say hello, they're going to run in there. By that time, it light up is blocked. I asked. He said, the warden told me to give you whatever you ask.

But, you know what we want. I said, what do you want? Well, I was born in Springfield, Tennessee, 1997. I'm 37. I beat 38 December. Springfield, small town. You already know, most of them small town ain't nothing to do but get in trouble. Growing up, we did have a skate ring. They got rid of the skate ring. We had a bowling alley. They tore that down. Built another gas station. We didn't have nothing. So it wasn't nothing to do but get in trouble in Springfield. My mom dated one of the biggest dope boys in the city. And that right there, I feel.

like was the beginning of our problems on top of my daddy. I already gone to prison, two life sentences, two murder charges, two robberies. Yeah, him and my mom's brother, they ended up robbing a store and a lady got killed. We still don't know to this day which one of them does one say and the other say. Yeah. Yeah. And both of them end up with life sentences. And while they were fighting that life sentence, while they were fighting that case, another case came up.

that was a cold case, that they ended up getting hit with pretty much the same situation. That's just all bad. Went into a store, a struggle, to my dad. They both got two life sentences. I said, my mom's dating the biggest dope boy in the city. Sorry, real quick. Do you see your dad? Do you ever talk to him?

I did. Yeah, yeah, I talk to him all the time. Okay. Yeah, yeah, he got a YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I help him. I help him. I help him do a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I talked to him all the time, you know, and we'll get to it later on, but, you know, we were sell us, we were sell us.

That's my guy. That's my guy. Wow. Yeah, I talked to him all the time. But yeah, growing up as a kid, yeah, we went to see him all the time. G.D., he's affiliated, which was why I went down that path, too. But going back to my mama being dating the doughboy, man, that was kind of what intrigued me when it came to the streets. Right.

Because everything that we had, we had go cards, we had the Jordans, we had, you name it, we had it. Christmas, we had all kind of gifts. And we always sit and wonder, like, how we. we don't have normal lives even though it looked like we're in the struggle like we close to the projects all my home boys

is in the projects but it seemed like we got decent lives and I remember coming home one day getting off the bus and I wanted to get some snacks and I went in the pantry when I went in the pantry

I seen a bunch of bags of what looked like cookies I didn't know what it was I had absolutely no idea what it was two three weeks after that I get out the bus and come home

and the door had been kicked off the hinges the front door well the side door we had the front door and then you come around to the side the side door was kicked out the hinges and soon as I peaked in

and I could see that the entire kitchen had been like somebody just ramshacked it the pantry door was open so when I stepped in this glass on the floor they took all the glasses

broke them they put metal I guess in the microwave blew the microwave up by the time I walked into the living room looked like they had cut the couches up like they were searching for dope the whole entire living room

was trashed out of my mama's home interior everything was thrown on the floor by the time I'm talking the bathroom when you turn when you go in turn you see the bathroom because my room to the left me and my brother room to the left my brother I mean my mom's room to the right but so the bathroom this way

I can see it they ramshack the bathroom by the time I turned and went in in my room it was ramshake It spooked me. I turned around and run out of it. I could see my mama's bedroom. It was ramshake too. The whole house was trashed.

So this isn't a police raid. This is some guys looking for dope. For sure. It had to be what I was assuming at the time. I didn't know what was going on. So I ran out of the house. And I didn't even tell my mom, I just went up the street and started playing basketball.

I let them come home and discover it. I asked like I didn't even know because it scared me. And then I came home about two. Two weeks after that, the guy who broke in the house was back in the house and me and my brother's bedroom having sex with a woman. I saw him. I didn't know he was the person who broke. I didn't know it was him.

But I saw him and I left back out of the house and I told my mom's boyfriend that I saw him. They found out it was him. I don't know what happened after that. But that was kind of the beginning of, I guess, realized what kind of environment we were in. They always had big, huge dice games. Everybody got thousands and thousands of dollars. And then I ended up getting molested by a family member in that same house.

My cousin used to babysit us. Me and my brother was in a living room. One day we were playing the game. And my brother said that he was hungry, said he wanted something to eat. And the babysitter, she was like, you old enough to do that yourself like you can go in the kitchen and fix your own food and he got up and he went in the kitchen and then at that time she told me she was like while your brother and her getting that food you go in there and finish cleaning up the bedroom but we had already

cleaned the bedroom so but I'm not thinking this is what's going on so I go in the bedroom and when I go in the bedroom she come in behind me and she closed the door and she closed the door I kind of turned and looked at and she was just pointing telling me to grab little stuff and then at that point She laid down by the door, and I know y'all going to, so I ain't going to go too far, but I know that. But then that happened, and I never, I never said anything. How old was she? At the time she had been 18, 19, 1920.

And how old were you? I'm probably 9, 10, somewhere now, 910, 910, yeah, 9, 10, and didn't say nothing about that, didn't know if it was okay to say anything. I'm thinking maybe I get in trouble for saying it, but then, If I'm going to shoot it straight, I don't think my mom would have believed me at the time anyway. I don't think none of them would. I think they would have just brushed it under the rug. So that never came up until years later.

And then after the molestation, my mom, I call it the big fight. My mom and the guy she was dating got into a huge or huge. It was the worst fight I probably ever seen in my life. My mom would throw hands, though. I used to fight like casting dollars all the time. Like, I seen my mama get the best of them several times. I see y'all get the best of them several times. But this time, holes in the walls, black eyes, blood, screaming, family got called.

It's everybody everywhere. It went all the way up the street onto another street. Like, it went for blocks just fighting, fighting and fighting. And at that point, my mama left. So how old were you then? I went to Juven when I was like 14 So I had the problem It'd been like 12 then

At 10, 11, 12 So when we moved from there She leave the drill dealer At the time We move into the trailer parks Which basically is the project Where the trailer park is The project's right behind it

So you might as just say It was the project I remember when we Went to the trailer As she was cleaning up the trailer I remember asking her, like, who moving in here? Right. And she was like, we moving in here.

I was like, I ain't moving here. Like, I'm going to stay with him. You used to do that drug dealer money. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to stay over here. I ain't staying in here. And so by the time we did move in there, my brother ended up getting into the streets. He knew.

He knew what my mom and boyfriend was doing. My brother three years older than me. I'm 37. He's 40. Then my sister, five years younger than me. So my brother had started selling drugs. D-Dope, Selling Dope with a guy. Well, actually, the guy that ended up getting,

his life took on my case. They were best friends. Like, they were super-duper-type. And they ended up getting pulled over in Russellville or Louisville, Kentucky. And some drugs got dropped in the car, and he wouldn't take his charge of him and my brother ended up getting locked up. And when my brother got locked up, he wasn't giving me money. My mom left the drug dealer.

My mom working the job. She can barely pay for it. my uniforms if I wanted to play football, if I wanted to play basketball. So at that time, you know, I started getting in trouble. Started getting in trouble, breaking in houses, stealing bikes. And that was just a small, petty crime stuff. And then after that, we ended up moving out of the trailer parks and what we call back home the hill, which is some more projects.

We moved in some more projects. But this is where I ended up getting locked up the first time. I had a cousin that I don't want to see it I had a cousin I had a cousin well we call him crime boss I can say that

we call him crime boss because that's all he did was getting in trouble so crime crime boss okay what we called him at the time crime boss

crime boss came to came to the house and he told me it's around Christmas and he was actually in foster care at the time DC is custody

but he ain't in a group home he's living with somebody and these people People were white and they were wealthy, they had money. And he told me that he had some money over there, which it wasn't his money. It was the money where he knew they'd be putting for Christmas, when they'd be putting money up for Christmas. So we get another guy. He doesn't told us this plan, what we're going to do, we're going to go to the house, we're going to get the money, and we're going to split it and all this and that.

So we end up going to the house. We tried to go through the door. We couldn't go through the door. The door was locked. He ends up breaking out the window. We climb in the window. I climb in behind him. because in my mind I'm already thinking

even though I ain't all the way in the streets I'm kind of already got some streets since I'm thinking if he go in there and he get the money and put in in his pocket he can say he never got it right so I jump in through the window with him the third guy he stays to watch we go up the steps he grabbed the money and he did exactly what I would think

he put it in his pocket he turned back around but I saw it but by the time we go downstairs I'm like man I seen the money what we're doing so he gave me some of the money put it back in his pocket and I'm thinking he ain't gonna give him right so when we get out i ended up giving the other guy some of the money two days went about the police was at the door i got up went to the door my mama's in the bedroom i go to the door answer the door and send us the police and he was like uh is your mom here

joe i'm like no she ain't here right now he was like well you know why i'm here i was like no actually i don't yeah my cousin robbed that fucking place listen that what i should have did but But as soon as he said, oh, you know why I'm here, I got nervous because he said it loud enough like, he knew my mama cow was right there. Right. He said it loud enough like, this is a kid who's lying knowing that his parent is in the house. Yeah. And I was like, no, and he pulled out a picture of my cousin laid back in the detective in

the interrogation room with his feet up on the counter. He got the clock. He's taken to it. He got a Wendy's meal. He was sitting there chilling. He was like, he already told us everything. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And by that time, my mama comes out of the back room.

Who is that? He said, I thought she wasn't. I thought your mom wasn't here. And she came around the corner and seen who it was. And I tried to slam the door on them and it didn't work. And I'm trying to tell her not to talk to him. But make a long story short on that, she ended up taking me to the police department. She ended up taking me down to the police department, which, and soon we got out of the car,

I took out running. I told him, I ain't going in the police department. I ain't no sense of me going in there and talking to him. What I did, I tried to get the story together to blame it on the person who basically then went down there and told everything on us. Right. So I go get the third guy, because he told him, both of us, I go get the third guy, and I tell him, look, this is what we're going to do.

You're 14? Yeah, I'm 14. Yeah, let me see, 13, 14. I'm 13, 14 at the time. I tell him, look, I know where the lady work at that Crambox was living with. We're going to go to the bank. She worked at the bank. We're going to go there.

We're going to ask for it. We're going to go in there and tell her. He lied to us. We don't know what was going on. We went. He came out. He had some money. He gave us the money.

Split it. And he was like, cool, let's do it. So we go to the bank, and we did just that. She believed it. She cried. She went on, and she was like, y'all need to tell my husband. So she told us where her husband worked at, which was up the street. We walked up the street to her husband's job,

went in there and told him the same story. He looked both of us dead in our eyes and told her, I can't believe that he did that to us as much as we done for him, as much. I think they didn't happen in a private school, but he was in a great situation. Yeah. He was in a great situation.

He could have did anything. He actually just got back out of jail. He ain't never got straight, period. But he threatened, he was like, if I ever seen him, he was like, I think I'll do something to him. because it hurt them they're bad. And he was like, man, y'all just ain't going to have to tell the judge, which y'all told me.

We ended up going to court. My mama standing behind me, the third guy on the right, crime boss on the left. We're looking up at the judge, and the judge asked me first, what happened. So I started telling the story me and him put together. Like, look, we didn't know what was going on. All we know is he came and got us, said we were going to get some clothes. This is where he said he was getting out of foster care. And by that time, crime boss cut me off.

Cramp boss said, he's lying, Your Honor. Judge, that was a lie. He lied. And the judge said, well, what happened? He called him his real name. He done been in and out of trouble several times already. And he spilled the beans on everything. This is what happened.

He gave A, B, C, Y, Z. We went in. Joe came in with me. I gave Joe some of the money right there. Joe decided to give him some money. I wasn't going to give him no money. And he just went completely in. And at this point, this is my first time getting in trouble.

I really hadn't even had no run-ins with the loss. I don't know what's going to happen. Him, he already in shackles and everything. Like, he cool, I guess, we're going back to DCS custody. It ain't bothering him, though. And the judge said, all right, that's enough. He didn't even ask me to finish what I was saying. He didn't ask the third person or nothing.

He said, I'll tell you what crime boss. He said, I'm ordering you back into DCS custody. I wish he'd called him crime boss. I said, he said, no. And as far as you, he pointed at the third person. He said, I'm giving you five days in detention. He said, you're going to detention. And he said, the county, Dixon County detention.

Everybody know about Dixon County detention, even if you've never been in trouble. Dixon County, Rutherford County, these were popular names of people who have been in trouble. So when he said that, I'm like, dang, but it's only five days. He can do that. So I'm thinking, I'm offing to get five days, too. And the judge looked at me. He said, as far as you, got them going through the paper that he looked up at me. went in the house.

I went in the house. Yeah. I went in the house. He pushed his glasses up. He said, his first time getting in trouble, I'm like, damn, he's going to get me, maybe 10, maybe. He said, I'm sent us and you to D.C.S. custody as well. And when he said, I broke, I turned around and looked at my mom. My mama looked at me.

We looked at each other. She said, ain't no sense you're looking at me. You shouldn't have one in them people have. And the bailiff came and got us, took us to the back, and I was boohoo and crying. And I asked, too, I'm ass and cramble. Why did you do that? He was like, what did I do? He said, y'all tried to tell on me.

I said, none of this never happens if you don't tell them in the first place. I was just trying to. And he was like, man, you're going to be all right. We're going to be good. He was like, man, it ain't even nothing like what you think. How much did you get? They don't tell you exactly. Like, when you get placed in DCS custody, like the first time, I can't remember exactly how I go.

Like, you're going to do maybe three to six months the first time. If you come back, you'll do like nine to 12. And if you come back after that, it'll go from like 12 to 18. And then after that, they'll try to do what they call an indetermined sentence and keep you to you 18. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm going to do three to six months. I ain't knowing this yet. But he promises, man, we're going to be all right.

We're going to end up at the same placement together. I don't know what placement mean or none of this. We get to the DCS office. Our family can come and see us before they take us to what they call like a temporary placement until you get to your permanent placement. Right. We're getting ready to leave. We got 30 minutes.

We leave. We're getting in the van. We got on handcuffs and shackles. As we get in the van, I get in first. Cram balls strikes out running in his handcuffs and shackles. It gets away. Man, listen. It hurt me even more because at least I'm going to take this ride with somebody I know.

We're going to go to the same place. We're going to be here. By the time I can get there, I can get acclimated. I can adjust. as long as I could see a familiar face. Yeah, you're not old. Yeah, I know, I know. It's good to know somebody.

It's good to know somebody. It's good to know somebody from the county jail. Right. And he strikes out running. And gets away? And got away in the shackles. I watched him. Little steps.

Look like Chris Johnson for the Tigers. But he got away. And so they transport me. I go to Dixon County. When I get to Dixon County, they transport the third guy in a separate. van. He there. He next door to me. We can't talk. They bring TV, like you can watch TV

because we watch Happy Gilmore. I still get triggered to this day. I can't watch it. I can't, and Adam Sandler is my guy. I mess with Adam. He's one of the great. But they used to put the TV right there and Happy Gilmore would be on. I can smell that. Would it smell like even as I'm talking about it? But we couldn't talk to each other. And when he come out to go in the shower, like we would always speak. But we would beat on the wall. we would make beats on a while that's the way we communicated and that day four hit he's gonna get ready to go I'm sitting over here and I'm thinking like he and he they ain't gonna let him go like but they gonna let him go and uh I seen his people I seen his auntie them come to the door

because where my cell was positioned I can see and I seen them come to the door and I just sit there and was like man he's gonna go home and they opened up the door they came in, he didn't even turn around looking. He put his clothes on, didn't say bye, nothing, and walked straight out. And that was, that moment right there, man, just thinking about it now, it was a defining moment in my life, like, feeling like, I got to figure this out myself, like, regardless or what goes on from here. I can call home, but it's just me.

Cram boss done took out running, he's going home. this is this is what's going on it's that that tick talk nobody's coming for you it's over it's over it's it kind of sit in it sit in uh i try to when you watch movies and stuff you're thinking i'm gonna do some push-ups and do some sit-ups but in the movies they time lapse it yeah they time laps it so it looks fast it looked like the time lapse make it look like a year went by yeah 90% of it's just depression it's you're burning up your time working out and doing this and It's laying in bed, staring at the wall. Yeah, after I don't try to do 75 to 100 push-ups

and realize I'm sitting in their bed and only 30 minutes went by. We got a long ride, and I don't even know how much time I don't even know how much time I got at this point. So by the time they moved me from there, I went to a place called YES, which is in Lebanon, which was better. It had like 12 other people in it.

We had a basketball team. We went to a public school. Like, it was cool, but I was only there for, like, 21 days. It was still a temporary replacement. And they came and you had me from there, and they took me to a place that still, they still have now called NTC, Nashville Transition Center. Did they catch crime boss at any point?

Not at this point. They're still looking for him? Not at this point. Yeah, I probably was three, four months in before they called. Before he showed up? Before they called crime boss. Does he show up? No, no, he go to a different place.

Now, he goes to a, and the only reason I found out about that is because When I go to NTC, after you're there, I think it's 30 days or 45 days, you can get weekend home passes. Okay. And I was home on a weekend home pass, and somebody told me that they ended up catching them. I don't know where. I keep forgetting you're like 14 years old. Yeah, I'm 14. I'm 14 right here.

I'm 14. I'm getting ready to have a child at this point. What? Yeah, at 14. I get out. What is going on? I get out of NTC. I get out July the 5th.

I can't remember exactly. I mean, July the 3rd. I was supposed to get out July 5th. But when we sit down and they discuss in the hearing, I told them, I was like, is it in a way I can get out before the 4th? And they was like, yeah, I'm sure we can make it happen. You ain't had no problems. And they let me go on July the 3rd.

Let me see. I had been 14 at the time. This is the first time I got locked up. I did five months and five days. I remember. I stayed out not even a year. I end up getting locked up again for stealing cars. Can we go back for a second?

Go ahead. You had a kid. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This was after I got out of NTC. So this happens. So you get out, you get some chick pregnant. Mm-hmm.

And she had, I mean, these are adult problems. You know what I'm saying? Jail, babies. I'm robbing and everything at this point. I probably had already shot my first person at this point. Yeah, I probably had I already shot somebody at this point. I hadn't robbed nobody yet. I don't think I was selling drills, but I'm almost positive.

I shot one of my classmates before this shit. Yeah, it was. Why? Why? Being honest, man, he called us some, man. He called us, man. But we was all out. The gunshot happened.

I ended up shooting him because, and I didn't think I was going to hit him. Let me clear. Let me say that. But I did. What's the, is it, what's his name, Joe Pesci? He's like, what do you want me to tell you? I'm a good shot. But he, now, we was all out chilling on this block where all those hanged out, Carl Amwood and him and one of his friends came by,

and we was all just messing around, jumping on the car. And they started talking, you know, they started talking crazy. And the next thing you know, my classmate, I don't want to say his name. But he ended up saying, man, y'all get off my car, man. And by the time he said, that didn't nobody know I had a gun. All my friend, we're just kicking the boat. We're having fun.

So by the time he said that, I pulled a gun out and cocked, everybody kind of looked like, well, where do you get a gun from? At this point, the car, he skirts off, and we call it the back of the projects. And the reason we call it the back of the project is because it's one way in, one way out.

Right. And so he drives in the back of the projects, which means to get past us, you have to come back out. But when he drive back there, I think his sister lived back there at the time. So when he jumped out of the car, he's trying to run in his sister house, and I started shooting. And I'm probably where I'm there, I'm probably what my fiancé is about it, you know, and ended up hitting him. And he ended up, I'm seeing, I don't even know I hit him.

He kind of started going down at that point. I turned around and ran home and then everybody called and was like, oh, you know. And they never, I never got charged. I never, nothing ever happened. He survived? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually talked to him about three, four months ago. Yeah, I did.

I actually talked to him three, four months ago. And it's crazy thing is because his sister started dating, I'm going to go back to the car stuff. His sister ended up reading my book and asked me, is this my brother you talking about? They got shot. Right. And she was like, you know, people always said it was you,

but I didn't never. And I told it, I was like, yeah, that was. That was me. And, uh, but yeah, we, we're cool now. They know I got my life on track. And he had, he had, too, so, but I did. So it all worked out. It all worked out.

But, but when I got out of, when I got out of NTC, man, I got in the, I got into stealing cards because I couldn't play basketball. Right. Right. Of course. I could play basketball. You can't, I can see the coach now. Listen, you're not going to make the team. Have you considered stealing cards?

I couldn't play basketball, man. I felt when it came to school, that's the only thing that made me interested. Right. If I knew we had a game coming up, I was all in. By the time basketball season was over, my whole track record, when basketball season over, I went to jail. When basketball season was over, I went to juvie. When basketball season was over, and something was wrong every single time.

And when I came back, the coach told me I had to sit out. I had to wait a year before. before I could even play ball. Why? Because it was, the freshman year had started, and they had already did the trials. They had already had the team. Oh, yeah, okay.

So when I went to him and told him, I was like, hey, I just, you know, I just got out. And he was like, yeah, I heard about you. He was like, you know, but we already done. He was like, you got to wait. Yeah, I'm like, no, the basketball out of my life. Like, it's really, you know, that's what I love to do.

And I ended up getting in trouble because a guy was talking to my kids, mom at the time, in the school when I, and we ended up getting into it and I ran in a classroom where he was and we got into it real bad and I ended up getting sent to, I think called alternative school. What is it what does that mean? You got into it real bad. We had the harsh words. Yeah, well, I got into it with his. Let me take their back. We got into it in the cafeteria.

Okay. I'm in the cafeteria. And Eric, it's circulating that he goes with her. They got something going on. And everybody knows I was at the time overprotective of her. And now that I'm coming home, everybody wondering, is she going back to him? Is he going to do something? This is just a bunch of talk going on.

So I go in a child, I go in, look, see. So I go in the cafeteria. When I go in the cafeteria, he goes and sits. with her, all my home boys kind of looking like, so I initiated and I'm like, bro, like, you ain't, and he, we started getting into it right there and we had a principal at the time. I think his name was, I can't remember his name, but whatever his name was, he ended up grabbing me. He grabbed me and told me that I couldn't do that right there. He was like, man, you got a chill.

He was like, you know you just came home. You want to play basketball. He's running all this stuff down. He takes me out. He calmed me down. And he was like, you're good. I was like, yeah, I'm good. He was like, well, just stay right here to the bedroom then go on back to your class.

As I'm sitting right here waiting for the bell ring, one of my cousins come out of his classroom and the guy's brother is walking down the hallway. So I told my cousin, I'm like, come on, we're going to get him. I can't go back in the cafeteria. I can't go back in the cafeteria, so we're going to get him. So we started walking behind him when he turned around. I'm guessing I don't know if he knew or what. I don't know if he felt it, but he ended up taking out running in the hallway.

As he take out running, we chase him in the hallway. We bust a big U-turn. Then we got these portables outside. He run outside to the portables, I guess, is where his class was at. And he runs in the classroom, and I run in right behind him. And when I run in behind him, when I bused through the door, he's already up by the teacher, like telling the teacher, like, they chasing me, they chase him, and the teacher like, what's going on?

And I walk in, I'm cussing, I'm going off. And she was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, she'd get on her. You got a walkie-talkie. She'd get on the walkie-talkie, calling for the principal, assistant principal, and whoever else. And everybody in the classroom started standing up. And at this point, I'm trying to walk towards him. And he'd get behind a teacher, and I throw a desk out of the way. And at that point, they ran in and grabbed me, and they sit down with me, and I ended up in an alternative school.

Yeah, you can't come back here. You can't do that. You just, you just can't do that. But I ended up going to alternative school, and why I was in an alternative school. to school, I hated it. And one of my best friend, one of my guys. Because it's supposed to be a wonderful experience. I hate it.

I hate it. What did you expect? What did you think was going to happen? Not that. But when I got there, bro, it was so boring. It was just, it was. And me and my homeboy would sit outside on it, like it's a little bench. But the school back here, we would sit on the bench and we would just sit there and talk.

And one day, I was just like, man, um, man, you want to go steal some cars? And he was like, man, I'm with whatever. He was like, how are we going to do it? And I was like, man, you know, in the morning time, you know, people like to start the cars and let them warm up. You know what I'm saying? There's cold, so you can see the exalt.

You can see it coming out. I said, we walk around until we see a car, look like it's warmed up. We just get in and take it. And he was like, yeah, I'm with it. He was like, cool. And we used to skip school every morning and just walk around and steal cars. And we would take the cars and we would hide them behind.

a hotel like we had a little car lot back there we had a little car lot we had like six or seven cars back there at one point we just parking behind the hotel we would tell out our homeboys and if we wanted to we would be like hey which one y'all are gonna get i'm gonna grab the poni which we i'm gonna get in the i'm gonna get in the tour so i'm gonna get in we would just go back there and just drive the cars we ended up uh we ended up stealing a car it was a truck it was a lady who was dropping her we skipping one day it was a missibishi gray truck and this truck was so nice. It had to be, whatever the year it was,

it had to be, that's what the truck was. And it looked like she was taking her child in the daycare. And she walked in the house, and my home boy, he was like, man, we got to get that. And where the truck is, it's a house off to the side. And Casper was there. I'm going to say his name. We cool to his day.

But Casper is looking out of his window because he's waiting for the bus to come. We get in the truck. truck and skirt off. They called the police. They offer him reward money. He'd tell him it was us. How much? $500, if I'm, if I'm correct. I think it was $500. Not bad. Now at that age, there was the second guy that got $500. That was the first guy that got $500 off of it. But when we drive off in this car, we keep this car. We keep this truck maybe two, three days. two three days we kept this truck two three days just riding around because my granny at the time lived

how old are you i'm 15 now i'm 15 i got my daughter my daughter at the time right now as we're talking i'm sure my daughter is probably only like six or seven months old at this at this point yeah we're just we just we just we just joy riding in the car we ran around and we ended up uh over my granny house in hendersonville i got the car parked behind her building she don't know but she's I didn't know she's seen it, though. So I'm sitting in here, and I hear her on the phone. And then I hear her describing the truck. I need 500.

I want 500 bucks. I hear my, granted, yeah. It's some gray truck he got, and I got up, and I walked in, I said, who you, I said, who are you talking to, Grant? She said, your mom on the phone and ask me about that car you driving. I said, hang on. Get out of the phone. Get out of the phone. She was like, what is going on?

I said, just give me the phone. I get the phone. I get the phone. I ain't going on with the truck. I was like, don't worry about it. So we leave, get in the truck. We ditch the truck, drive back home. When we get there, my homeboy mama done gat with my mama, they're thinking they're going to take us down to the police department together.

Right. My mama tell us to come to me. Meet them at my homeboy's granite's house. We get to my homeboy at Granite house. His mama's saying, I'm going to take you to the police department. My mama said, and you're going with him. And I said, no, I'm not. I'm not going to the police department with him.

That just ain't going to happen. She was like, yeah, you're going. I said, okay, so we get in the car. This is my second time. We drive down there. My homeboy get out of the car. I tell my homeboy, you can't go in there. Don't go in there.

In front of his mama, his mom is saying, he's going in there my mom's in and you're going to i said i'm not going in there you're i'm down here to make sure he don't go in there you're are you concerned that they're going to give him some windies he got the wins he got the windies he got something you're going to get a photograph there's a photograph coming of him with some windies he went he went in i ran again i ran i ran i ain't doing no talking he told him what happened he told him what happened after they happened we still in alternative school

we're still skipping and stealing cars even after that happened right um so yeah all this is happening while you're in the alternative school yeah okay yeah and after that we still in alternative school that gave us a cool we got a court date for the car to go to court you get arrested I got charged I got charged yeah he he told them everything

yeah yeah did the cops come and arrest you no I just had to not because I was underage so they just I just had to go down. I don't know if my mama had the sign for something, but now they just called. I had to go down there. She had to sign. I had a court date because I was to mind her.

Okay. But I ain't have to get a name, they ain't put me in cuffs or nothing like that. So after that, we're still stealing cars. It's a guy, and I can say his name because he messed with me, Dallas. He ain't from Dallas, though. What's up, Dallas? That doesn't narrow it down.

What's no, assuming there's a bunch of Dallas? But Dallas was the cool white boy in the hood. Okay. His parents was doctors. I think a doctor and a lawyer. What's he doing in the hood? He wanted to be cool.

He was cool. And he had the avalanche truck truck, burnt orange, 24-inch rims on it at the time. He got the speakers. He got the bang. You know, Dallas was cool. And everybody wanted to drive that truck. Everybody wanted to drive that truck.

I wanted to drive it, too. So we're walking around one day. We're looking for people who getting out at the gas station to run in and pay for their gas and leave their car running. Okay. This is what we're doing this day. It's a gas station, then it's a Wendy's, and behind the windows is a liquor store. So we're sitting, and across the street is the Taco Bell.

So we're sitting at the Taco Bell where the dumpsters are we can see over to the gas station. But as we watch in the gas station, two girls pull up in Dallas, Avalanche, Berners, truck with the 24s on it at the liquor store. Both of them get out and go into the liquor store. Let me rewind real quick. Two, three days before this, I got a home boy that's a gamer. Real love you, bro. We, he used to demolish me on the game. And we used to play 21 skunk on 20 on Madden.

I beat him one time. You were real with this, too. And when I beat him, he goes in the back room because he tells me to get out of his house. He tell him I got to leave. I'm 15 at a time. He hot. you got to go get out get out i was like man bro i just beat you in the game for first time it's like you're a hundred than nothing you was a hundred to one you still got nine and a hundred

games on me like he walks to the back room his daddy was a police officer he comes his mama has that i don't know what that plastic stuff was with the little uh this right here what is this whatever it's a it's a carpet guard the carpet they had a carpet guard through their hold through the hallway so I can hear the foot right and as he turned the corner he got a 357 bag because you beat him at the game true story man he got a 357 mad he pointed the gun at me and told me get out my house I said well I'm gone I mean you got that you'd pick your friends I never play you again but when I walked out the house of course I'm mad he pointed the gun and I'm like damn it was a nice gun

So before we stole the truck, we ended up, because he made me mad. So I went to get my home boy that I'm with. And you don't know this, real, but I'm going to tell it now. This part wasn't in the book. But they used to put lights on, they were, when they put their lights on the house, they would snowman, all of those stuff. But before we went in there and got the gun, I went in there, took their lights out of the house, ripped out of the house out of the house and all that old stuff.

Messed the house up real bad, all of that. license stuff they had to replace them but we ended up breaking in the house and I went back there and searched it and found that 357 which is the same 357 we used when we took the truck from the girls at the liquor store they weren't in the liquor store me and my homeboy both looked over I don't listen listen listen your buddy has a nice an avalanche right is that the avalanche she said he has a nice i guess you said it was orange he has a nice avalanche with some rims on it and this is your buddy dad you see some girls driving his truck yeah and you rob you you you steal carjack yeah no honor carjack my buddy's that's that's me carjacking

colby's i see somebody driving colby's vehicle i car this colby it was nice coby yeah the cobi had a nice car I mean, all you guys are just... No, I know amongst these. Yeah, okay. And I know that. Snakes. Yeah. I'm talking about it, but was comfortable around each other.

Right. Wouldn't want to be around nobody else. Like, this is a sense of normal. But the girls are coming out of the liquor store. We crept over. We ain't got no mask or nothing. So we're covering our face with my hand. Do they know you?

I didn't know the girls. I didn't. I think he knew one of them. I didn't know the girls. Right. And so by the time we pulled a gun, one of the girls make it back into the store. The other friend tried to run in, and the other friend is keeping her from running back in the store. Because she, I don't know what was going on.

But my friend, my homeboy, was like, where the keys is at? And she was like, they already in the truck. They already in the truck. So at that point, he jumped in the driver seat. I jump in the passenger seat. We pulled off in the truck. And we drive in Nashville where my granite was working at the Windorham Historical Hotel at the time. She don't know we outside in a stolen truck.

They got valet. So I tell my homeboy, we pull up in the valet, I tell him, look, just park the truck. I'm going to run in here and get some money for my gran. Because we ain't got no money. We need some gas. We don't know what we're going to do yet, neither. I run in to get some money for my granite. By the time, my granite don't know what's going on.

By the time I walk back out, he's done wrecked the truck and hit some car that's parked in the valet, then got him out of the truck, took the keys out of the truck, over the truck doors are open. So I walk over and I'm looking at him. He looked at me. He said, what, what's going on? He said, man, I couldn't see that little bit of the truck. Like the rims, he tried to basically say the rims were sitting up so high he couldn't see

the truck. Okay. But when he told me that, I look and I said, well, what are keys? He said, man, one of them got it. One of them got the keys, one of the valet guys. So I asked the valet guys, I'm like, this is my truck. I said, I just want to know which one of y'all got my keys. And the guy who got him, he patted on it.

He said, I got keys. I got keys. I said, I don't know if you really got the keys or not. I said, as you can see, this is an expense of the truck. These expensive rims, you can hear, it's got loud expensive speakers. I said, I need to see my keys. I need to see. He said, I call Metro.

I said, that's fine. You can call Metro. But I want to see which one of y'all got my keys. That's all I want to see. I got keys, sir. And he reached, and he dangled the keys. and I ran over and snatched the keys. We ran to the car, got in,

and we drove our way to Atlanta, Georgia. Two story. Did you show you got some money from your grandma? My grandmother, yeah. Okay. We took all the money we hid, put it in the gas tank, and drove to Atlanta, Georgia,

from Springfield, from Nashville, Tennessee. Okay. We get to Atlanta, Georgia. It's a long drive. Yeah, I think four hours. Yeah. we almost out of gas. The only thing we got is a 357

and a bag of green real's head that he'd been smoking on the whole way there. So when we get there, we ride past his club. I never knew. It was called Indigo. It was a team club because when we got there, he was like, man, because they had pipes on the truck.

And he was like, man, put it in neutral and let the pipes hollow. So we put it in neutral and everybody got around the truck and was bouncing. We thought we thought we was having. We had 24 inch. We had 24 years. We had 20, we had 20, we had 20 foes on the truck. We was 15.

My guy was 16 years old. We was having a bar. So, so by that time we go to this gas station, we almost had the gas. Son, getting ready to come up, and he was like, what we're going to do? I said, man, we're going to have to start robbing people. He was like, how are we going to do that? I said, with this big old truck, I said, man, we're going to pull it over in front of cars, block them off, and get out and rob them on the spot.

He was like, that's what's up. I said, Well, cool, then that's what we're going to do. Truth Lord. Yeah, nobody will be able to put, nobody will be able to track this truck down. Nobody will be able to. It's bright orange with 24s on it or something.

I'll end another state. I win another state. With a police officer gun doing this. We got the 3.50s. So the first guy, it looked like he was dropping his girl off to Kroger's, I guess, to work. Right.

We coming down this hill, and I see him getting ready to come back out. and my homeboy going first so I get the gun out of the I said man he's he gonna cover his face with his hand I pull over in front of the car block it off the guy just sitting there he lays on the horn burn burn and as he blowing he don't know what's going on

so how where I'm in front of him is the driver's side so he don't when he get out he coming around he's laying on the horn so by the time he sees my homeboy up the gun, all I see from the truck is his hands go up in the air like this. And when his hands went up, my homeboy opened the door. And I heard, I could hear him say, I don't have nothing, man. I ain't got nothing.

I ain't got nothing. He was like, you ain't got to do this. So at this point, my homeboy telling him, he's reaching his pocket. Everybody needs a good pair of jeans. What I like about the perfect gene is that the moment you put them on, they feel like sweatpants. They don't ever pinch or bind up. As a matter of fact, they're super stretchy. There's never any point where you feel like they're binding up on you

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and I hate to even say this, but I'm being honest, it was the fear intrigued me when I seen him with the gun, how he had a guy responded. So when he gave me the money and showed me it's only $10,15. I'm like, no, he got something else. But really it was I wanted to point the gun at it, too. So I take the gun. I'm just being honest

So I take the gun I go back and I point the gun at him And he was like man you ain't got to do this That's all I got and this this and that And I had my little moment We got in the truck We pulled off And he started pulling out slow

And I told my home boy I said he got something And I turned around As soon as I turned the truck around He stopped His hands went up Well he stopped Open his door and threw the wallet

Back out again Before we even got to him And so that was the first robbery. We lead there. Now we drive around town a little bit. We get, you know, we're coming down this road. It's a truck beside us. And I told, it's my turn now. I told him my homeboy, I'm like, when the light get ready to turn, he had his blink on the turn right. I said turn in front of him. He going to stop. I'm going to get out. And then I got out. He probably only had like $40. We did this like two, three times. We had enough to get a little food and put some

gas. So we call ourselves driving all the way on the other side of town, as if probably four, five people at the time, I ain't called an identification of the truck. Nobody will put us together if we just get across town. Yeah, yeah, we drive all right across town and we're in the neighborhood,

houses were nice, the cars with luxury, we're thinking, okay, this was the money at. And it's my homeboy town, so I'm driving. We get to a four-way. It was a BMW. It's got their, I think they call it Mirate tent, where, whatever it is but we're the four way and she's on the phone and she flashed for us to go

ahead and go because we got the blinker to turn left because I'm going to turn and I'm going to stop right in front of her he going to get out right so I turn and when I turn and hit that left I hit on the brakes he jumps out by the time he jump out and she see the gun I hear her scream and her hands went up and I'm guessing when her hands went up she hit the car the gear shift and put it in reverse. So when the car go in reverse, if you ain't steering the wheel, in reverse it's going to turn.

So she hit it, and the car started backing up, and my home boy is running beside the car with the gun to the window. She goes down in this ditch, and all out here is, boom! It ain't a gunshot. It sounded like, wrecked.

She hit a tree. My homeboy runs back up, up the hill, and comes to the car, and he was like, man, she crazy. She got out running. I said, did she have a purse in their hand? He's like, no, she ain't had nothing.

I said, go back and get the purse. Right. So he ran back, got the purse, got in the truck. We pulled out. She had like $1,300 or $1,300 in there. Whoa. Yeah. She had like $1,300, like $1,300, we went to the mall.

He got to keep in mind. We didn't have a shower. Right. We got no license. I'm 15, 16. We don't know nothing about Atlanta, Georgia. what they called the Underground Mall at the time. We had the Underground Mall.

My homeboy, he had real on her at the time, but he didn't have it Brady. He had two big puffballs. So we found somebody that could braid his her. Then we ran into a guy that I think he was renting scooters out or something. He had some kind of connection to, like, little motor scooters or something. And we kind of am, oh, let me back up. That night after we hit the lick before we go to the Underground Mall,

we parked in a parking garage that you, you can go in. We're parking and parking a ride. And as we're in the parking garage, I doze off and go to sleep. My homeboy is smoking. My home boy is smoking. And I tell him, I was like, man,

make sure you turn the truck out. So I go to sleep. I wake up. It's money all in the dashboard. I'm guessing he's just been having a great old time. I go to start the truck up and truck did. That's how we ended up getting out of the truck and walking to the underground mile

and running into these people because the truck, the battery was dead which probably was a plus for us at the time. Yeah, yeah. So by the time we run into the guy with the scooters, my homeboy tells him, he was like, man, my own boy got a truck. He was like, the battery did.

He was like, do you know somebody that can jump it? He was like, man, the calves around here, like, they'll jump it. You probably just have to pay him $22 and $25. He pulls out all the money and was like, ah, that ain't nothing. So at this point, I'm thinking, why would you show him?

You know, he was like, What kind of truck is it? He started describing the truck and this, this and that. And he was like, oh, yeah, let me see the truck. So we go, we show him the truck. Now he want to hang out with us. We get the truck jump. We're riding around.

He don't know. We don't ride four, five people in this truck. Right. He has absolutely no idea. The police are absolutely looking for this truck. Exactly. So we drive to, he take us to a hotel because he was 18, whatever, he was old enough to get a hotel. He go get us a room.

He don't know what's going on, but he go get us a room. he showed us what their club was he was gonna take us back there he's telling us all this stuff he's gonna do with us so after we get him to get the room we ride around for a little bit and I tell him I'm like look

I gotta drop you off I said I'm gonna come back and get you I said I gotta go pick up my brother and he don't like new faces he was like man y'all gonna come back and get me for real I was like yeah we're gonna come back and get you I said my brother just don't like new faces let me go take care of that

and I'm gonna come back so we dropped them where we found him and it wasn't 10 15 minutes after that 10 15 minutes we driving around and police get behind me My homeboy didn't want to sleep. I hit two, three lights. It's two, three police is back.

I still ain't woke him up yet. I still ain't woke him up. So we're actually in trouble. Yeah, I still ain't walking up. So we riding, and there's like four or five of them. I tapped him. I said, look, don't jump up, panic or nothing. He's like, what's going?

Because he didn't have his shoes on. He was like, what's going on? I said, brother, police is behind us. He reached down. He said, for real, I said, it's about five of them, too. He said, I don't hit two, three blocks with me. He was like, what are we going to do? I said, I don't know.

We're going to do something. So we're driving, and it's a red light. We're the first at the red light, though. When we get at the red light, we literally, both of us, looking out of our riverview, we, it was enough cop cars to count 12, 13, to the point of where you knew it was a long line of police. So by the time, it's two other police cars that's done hit their lights, but not. the siren coming down this side of the four way so by the time they get close enough you hear the sirens go off so when the sirens go off ain't none of the traffic moving so my

my first thought was hit the gas so when i pull off this police car gets i make it around him just enough and this police car they blocked all the rest of them which gave us a head start So we get a head start And as we're driving My homeboy was just saying Find the interstate Find the interstate I know what you mean

Like find the interstate I still don't know What we're about to do And we're driving And it's a blue avalanche That's getting on the interstate The same time We're getting on the interstate

So when we turn You can feel the truck I almost lift up just a little bit And the blue Avalanche truck stops We get around it And I'm getting They lay on the horn

But they moved enough and block the police from getting on the interstate. So we got another head start. We get on the interstate and we just punching it, just going straight, in between cars, so we get far enough to worry you can barely hear the sirens. And if it's a little hill, just enough, I know when I go over it,

it's enough to not see the police. So as we're driving, it's a ramp to get off on, and I can't see them. So we go over and I get off on the ramp. When I get off on the ramp, we stop. We didn't know who was going to. going to get out and run or nothing, but I knew we had a lead on them. My home board reaches in the glove box, hands me the gun.

I hand it back to him. He handed it to me. I rolled down the window, throw it out the window in the bushes. And as we sit there, literally, the police, you just, whew, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, it went off for about two minutes. We're just sitting there looking up. And by that time, I turned the truck around, come back up the round. We're going towards the traffic that's coming towards us.

we're driving and the trucks just we drive up the interstate probably for about five minutes to the room my homeboy was like we can't keep doing it he was like man we're gonna have a rig I bus her U-turn in the middle of the interstate drive up a little bit get off on the ramp go on get on to another

and we just kept driving straight he was like what we're going I was like I don't know we're just going to keep driving straight we ended up in Alabama got away oh my God too sorry I mean I I can't believe you stayed in the truck. Yeah. Stayed in the truck.

Stayed in the truck. We got to Alabama. It was a theme park. I don't know what it. I can't remember what park it was. We ended up at this park. We parked the truck. It's a hotel next to the theme park.

We parked the truck, walked to the theme park parking lot. We was waiting for people to come out. We was going to file them to their car and take another car. So as we walking behind these two girls, one of the girls turned around and was like, why y'all keep following us? We was like, man, ain't nobody following y'all? They was like, yes, you are. Like, y'all following us.

Y'all need to quit following us. We ain't walking no further until y'all quit following until y'all turn around, quit following. So we turn around and we go get back in the truck, and we're just sitting in the parking lot. And as we're sitting there, we don't know what we're going to do. We don't know if we want it back home. We know Atlanta. We don't know if they know we stole the truck back home. We don't know if the girls are dim.

We don't know none of this. So as we sitting there in silence, my homeboy, I heard, and I looked over. And that's one of my catchphrases on YouTube. This is actually where this catchphrase come from. And I looked over at him. He looked up to me, and we looked at each other. And he said, I want to go home.

I want to go home. And I started crying, too. I started crying. I said, bro. man me too and we kind of and we hugged each other he was like how are we going to get there i was like i don't know i said i don't know i don't know i said man we're just go get on that state we're going to drive straight but we need some gas so we go to the gas station and an 18 wheel to pull up i'm in a gas station i'm getting snacks and i see my home boy talking to the 18 the truck

driver so when i come out i'm like what you i'm like what are you talking to him for he was like i asked him how do we get to nashville from here he said get on i think it's i 65 north on I-65 South, which I can't remember going, but whichever one, he said, just get on I-6-5 and just keep going straight. He said, you'll run straight into it. I was like, all right, bet. So we get on the interstate, we're driving. I've been driving this whole time.

So I tell my home, I'm like, bro, you got to sleep. Like, you got to drive. Like, I'm going to tell you, like, all right, I bet. I said, we need gas, pull over and get gas. He was like, all right, I don't know how long we was driving. We ran out of gas. Why didn't you get gas? I mean, in general, you had the money, right?

You still had money, right? We gas some gas. or we filled it up, but I know we ran out of gas in the middle of the interstate. When he woke me up, cars were, that's how I knew. I had jumped in the back of the avalanche, lay down, and the cars were just going by us. I rode, he woke me up, and he was like, bro, and I raised up and looked. I said, what's going on? He said, man, we out of gas.

I smacked him in the back of the head, instantly. I said, why, you didn't stop and get some gas, bro? He was like, man, bro, we got to get the, we pushed the truck to the side of the road. We could see a gas station. But where we were at, it's a ramp. Cars coming around is ramp, but it's a bunch of big rocks right there. I said, instead of walking all the way to their store, we're going to take these rocks. We're going to line them up across this interstate.

Somebody's going to stop. You guys have had one brilliant idea after another. Man, listen, I can't make this stuff up, bro. They were not stopping. I was going to say, who stopped them? They were not stopping. They were tearing their car something. So at this point, we got to walk.

to this store and as we walk in you know how you can tell it looked like rain started somewhere it looked like it's it's rain it can be raining right here and be nothing here yeah yeah that's what it looked like as we were getting closer we thinking it hang it's raining we get there it's cicadas i think that's what you call them like the bugs yes okay they were swarming all over the place it was like we walked into a blizzard of cicadas like we literally walked in was just all over, like it was bugs everywhere. We fought through and get to the store. It's bugs all over the store.

When we walk in the store, we're knocking bugs off in the store. And the guy, when we looked up at the guy at the register, he looked at us. He said, where did y'all come from? We knocking bugs off them. And we was like, our parents ran out of gas. He was like, well, they didn't give you a gas can because I don't sell gas cans. I was like, what? But he was like, you could try to put it in something.

We ended up getting some gas. We drove back, we go to his girlfriend house. When we get there, she complaining, she's going out of her, she already didn't like me. I go in her bathroom, I took a buried bath in her, brushed my teeth with day toothbrushes. And like, it's been two days. Like, it's crazy. So they had got quiet while I was in the bathroom. So by the time I come out of the bathroom, I had called my brother to come and get us.

We're going to get our story together. We're going to go back, whatever, whatever. My brother comes. I go outside to go see if it's him. I hear the music. When I come back, the clothes that we bought in the bags were sitting outside of the door. Because we had parked the avalanche. When we got back to Nashville, we parked it at Skating Ring, wiped it down, got out.

We called his girlfriend on the collect phone, and we was right around the corn from her house, Greensville, Rivergate. I see my bags outside the door I run downstairs to get my brother I was like my bags outside the door he ain't coming out we gotta we gotta go get him so we go upstairs

we try to kick the door the neighbor started coming out and as I'm kicking the door I hear his girlfriend saying I'm calling Metro I'm gonna call Metro and I'm telling him everything and he ain't saying nothing

he already untold him about the mish-bishe right we already got this case in it and now he'll go down and he'll tell him about The avalanche, which he did. And that's how I got locked up the second time. You should have dropped the avalanche off at your buddies.

I should have took it back to that. He didn't press charges. Really? See, you can drop it off with him. Yeah, Dallas. Dallas didn't press charges. We ended up getting charged. We ended up getting charged.

I still always wonder, to this day, no, no bull. What happened with the Atlanta thing? We never heard anything about it? Nothing. I'm talking about, we flatfoot got away, clean. I wanted to If anybody see this I was like

I wonder if somebody If they hear this Will they remember like Because I want to apologize I know like Because you know I don't mature now Like when we was doing it

Like it was crazy Like we were literally Blocking cars off Getting out Like that lady They had that wreck And jumped out And took out

I didn't get to see a run But I always wonder Like dang I wonder And nothing ever came from that Nothing never came from But this time I did 10 months

and I did 10 months and when I got out 10 months just for the stolen car 10 months for the stolen car And neither one of you said Hey there's this thing in Atlanta No Oh okay

No I never came up Dallas never pressed charges They found Here's another thing I thought about When they got the truck How didn't they run How didn't Tennessee run the plates And see that it was

I'm like was it because it was another state Like wasn't no alert on it Wasn't nothing Like he got the truck back in Tennessee, didn't press no charges, it was over. Matter of fact, when we got out, after we done the 10 months, Dallas bought us Tennessee Titans' tickets. I'm telling you, man, he bought us Tennessee Titans.

He wanted to take both of us to a football game. I didn't go with him. And he knows you stole the truck. Yes. He was just in my condensation like two weeks ago. Like, I'm proud of you. Seriously. He got the truck back in one piece.

But, yeah, I did 10 months. At a YDC youth detention center, it's like a baby prison. It's got the fence around there. It's got just like the prison programs. It's basically preparing you to go to the penitentiary. So you're basically what, 16, 17 by now? I'm 16, yeah, I'm 16, 17. Let me see.

I'm 16. I had to be 16 right here. I had to be 16 at the YDC. So I do the 10 months at the YDC, this is when I started flirting with affiliation. because I knew my daddy was a GD because he had a pitchfork burned like seared in his hand right here and so when I was

I would see people throw up the pitchforks and that's kind of I kind of got curious and I was like oh that's what my dad is and so that's kind of when I started saying that I was a gangster at the time and so I do the 10 months I come home and I'm running around saying I'm GD

I don't know nothing about GD at the time right it's probably not a good idea But somebody ends up telling my dad, my dad calls, and he tells me he comes to the prison to see him. And when I go to the prison and see him, of course, he asked me the questions to see if I knew. And I said the stuff that I thought I knew. And he was like, don't ever repeat that. He was like, that's not, no, that's not.

And he was like, if that's what you want to do. I'm 16. He's like, if that's what you want to do, like, I can, you know. And I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what I want to do. That's exactly what I want to do But yeah He used to have guys come down And pick us up

And cheer with us All kinds of stuff Like that's how my brother My brother ended up like One of the biggest drug dealers In my town of Spanfield But Through my daddy

It was a guy he was locked up with It came home And was major And my brother My daddy connected him with my brother And next day you know My brother was Yeah

So that's how that happened And then after the, after the 10 months, I stayed out, I think this time stayed out like eight months, and I went back in for a 10th murder. What was that for? Okay. So the attempted murder charge happened because it's a bunch of stories in one. It was a guy my brother had got into it with because I learned how to cook rock at 15, 16 as well. right so my brother used to ask me to cook for him and one day i guess he couldn't get a hold of him so he asked somebody else to do it and they got this method what they call like pouring down a drain and because when it's still in liquid form when it get cold so when they go down and get on the

pipe when it get cold it'll stick to the pipe and they'll tell you it ended up losing let's say for instance it was 28 grams and now they don't pour it pour down the drain and that's only showing 20. When you're thinking you lost eight when the truth is they pour it and it's stuck in the pipe. So when you leave, they'll unscrew the pipe and get the rest of it out. That's basically probably what they did to my brother, but it was a lot. So my brother ended up coming and tell me, because I was kind of the muscle. My brother didn't street, like we count a night and day.

So he ends up coming to tell me about it. And that's the reason I had a lot of beefs too because of him. I was always having to. You always getting me. always always and um he come and tell me about it we get in the car he don't know i i got a gun on me and when we pull up he thought he saw the guy who done it he thought he had a gun on him he was like wait a minute he was like i think he got a gun on him boo and by that because they call me boo by this time i get out of the car cock and i already pointed at him and told him put his hands up so

he put his hands up as he put his hands up i tell my brother to get out of the truck and pat him down I'm 16 at the time, too. I'm 16. And I had never done a drug the day in my life, never drank, never smoked still to this day. So as I got him at Gunpoint, this guy, grandmother is out. I don't even know why she was out that late. She gets out of her car and walks up and she was like,

boo, you wrong, I'm going to tell your grin. I turn and point the gun to her and tell her, you need to get back in the car. This ain't got nothing to do with you. So she goes and get back in the car. And I tell him, look, whoever got my brother, work they need to get it back and he was like i don't know he was like i ain't do that so i was like okay it's a trap house so it's several people there there's this this pushing i walk in the house

gun out and and everybody's like man hold on what's going on i said if somebody don't pay my brother back everybody going i don't want to use that word everybody got to drop it off so at that point they were like man we ain't got nothing to do with that and the girl who lived to her. She got two daughters who got to go school in the morning. She come around the corner and said, uh-uh, you got to get out of my house with that gun, like you're tripping. And I say, how I'm tripping?

You got several drug dealers in your house. You got to go to school in the morning. They're trapping out of here, playing dominole, smoking, drinking, and you tripping by a gun. You might have gone in your room. Let me finish doing what I got to do. And she went on in the room. I turned around. I said, uh, who's going to pay for it? And everybody pissed in and paid. And then

I ended up leaving. So, to get to the tempted murder, man, that's... That started, that's the spark. That's kind of the spark of it. At this time, my dad didn't give me a plug at the time, which the guy who doesn't change his life to this day, too, he actually in ministry. I go, I get a nine-piece, you know, what a nine-piece is.

I get it. I drive back home, and I take two ounces of it. I'm going to go get one cooked. I'm going to sell one. But I got one of my cars getting worked on a guy we called Cowboy. So I'm going to go check on my car. And as I go to check on my car, the girl I'm talking to at the time messaged me and asked me for something, whatever it was.

I just spent my real money. I got a lot going on. I ain't trying to hear that right now. And I might have been on the run at the time as well. I'm sure I was. So when she asked me, I text her back, and I was like, no. I can't do that right now. And she takes me back, tripping, and was like, okay, man, I'm going to flush all your work down the toilet.

I'm like, so I tell him, whatever he got going on with the car, he's going to cook the work for him. I give him that. I get in the car to drive back home. Her son is outside. We're staying in projects, 21st. Her son is outside. I walk through the storm door. Before I walk through the storm door, I can see her mom sitting on the couch.

when I go through gun I already in my hand Smith and Whits and Blue Steel 9 Extended clip 21 She's sitting on the couch Her mom said boo what's going on Her daughter is in the kitchen washing dishes She turned around

See the gun in my hand By the time I up the gun Her mom was like Her mama get the screaming And tell me I don't do that So by the time I look in my peripheral I could see her son I wasn't stun her mama

Because I'm asking her Where is they work at Because I had, man, I took it back. I went and checked. When I walked in, I checked, and my spot, it wasn't in there. So by the time I up, I'm like, where is my work at? And she was like, if you're going to do it, go ahead and do it. Her mama doing all the screaming.

She walks up on me and spits on me. So by the time she's... The mom? No, the daughter. When she spit, this is, I'm looking, and I see her son coming through the storm door. So as I see her son coming through the storm door, that's the only reason why I was like, you know what? You ain't got worried about you. You'll read about me.

I was on the run at the time. I was tired. So I go in the pantry, I got an AK-47. I grab the AK-47 and it's got a shoulder strap on it. I put the AK-47 on. I walk out the house. I get in the car and I pull out. When I go around the corner, I see the guy that my brother had got into it with.

And it was, I almost said his name. I ain't going to say his name. But anyway, when I drive around, it's a bunch of people out, though. It's kids out. It's almost like a block party. Right. So I drive up the street and I say to myself, I'm going to get, I'm going to come back around the corner and I'm going to get him.

And so as I'm driving, I see a friend of mine who was supposed to have been sleeping with my girl at the time too. So he runs a stop sign because he's trying to help somebody do something. He runs a stop sign. I take the AK-47. I sit it on the window outside of the car and I let out about six or seven shots. his brother in the passenger seat I see the bullets go through his brother tries to dive

out of the passenger side window because the window went down the car veers off it looked like I hit him because he had a hoodie on so the hoodie goes up I see the bullets go through car swerp he tries out he tried to jump out the window

I didn't see if it crashed or not I turned off and went now I'm back on 21st the street where I was living on so as I'm driving up the street there's just so much going on my head at the time, I come back around to that top of the street where I see all them people at, and I had, I got a magazine clip too, which means you can take one uncock

and put the other one in. Right. So I stopped, let the window down, and I just let it right. I just, probably 30, 40 shots, take the magazine clip, I put the other one in, just, just where, at what? At the guy. Okay. At the guy, going back to the situation.

I ended up hitting him. I guess, I think I grazed his arm. and I hit him in the butt, not knowing that I was even going to do that from a distance. Like you said, what am I going to say? I guess I'm a good shot. Yeah, yeah. So I pull off, and we got this woman I could say her name,

Pee-wee, shout out to Pee-Wee-Wy. Pee-Wy was the neighborhood lady that had a scanner that could hear what was going on as far as the police. And she called her grandson that I was cool with at the time and told him that she had heard my name on the scanner. And he called me and he was like, man, Granted just called said she hears your name on Scanning. You might want to get out their car.

I'm so mad and frustrating and tired at the time. I'm tired of the life in general. I probably was almost ready to let them take me out, to be honest. And I was like, man, I ain't worried about that. I was like, I'm going to go back around there and do it again. I don't even know how hit him at the time. So as I'm driving, I get to this four-way to go back around. It's a cop we call Bogel.

Shout out to Bogel, man. he infamous he he he always in unmarked cars he set people up confidential informers had your homeboy tell on you he he wanted him cops he one of them he you got to watch him he might be dressed up as a as a as a junkie in the hood with a hood on and ain't no telling about this dude but uh so bogo I'm sitting at a four-way getting ready I got the AK-47 sitting in the passenger just sitting there like like he rang with me and then I I got the blue steel smith in the west sitting in my lap. I got an ounce of white in my pocket.

I got scales, pyrx jar, in the armrest. It's not good. It's not a good situation. It's horrible. So as I'm sitting at the four-way, I see it's an expedition, gray expedition. I think it was gray at the time. I think it was either gray or blue. And as I'm sitting there, for some reason, I'm looking because he's on the same street

where all of them people are. And I just see somebody get down like that. And so when I noticed, I kind of looked and I saw, I said, this Bogo. And I knew it was on. And at that point, I just smashed, I turned right, smashed the gas, he smashed. He got behind me.

Two police cars was coming down. They got behind him. We're on high speed. I'm in one of my cousins car at the time. I called her during the high speed. You know, she called me during the high speed chase. She was like, what's going on? People telling me you're getting chase.

by the police in my car you done did this and did that and shot it this i was like i'm driving like i'm in a high speed and i'm calm as i'm talking to it i'm like oh what is you talking about i'm out i'm chilling like i'm good like what's going on she was like everybody keep talking me i'm like what is you i'm i'm good i'm straight right right as i'm driving she was like i'm in the mcdonald parkerland the drive-thru right now i was like i'm good i'm like i'm like ain't i'm like ain't ain't none of that going on. So I end up almost running out of gas. I end up, I almost run out of gas.

And I got, I reached over and grabbed the AK-47, I let the window down. And when I let the window down, bowled behind me, I thought about it now, because I'm thinking I'm going to shoot enough just to slow him down. And then I was like, no. The problem is you've got all these little tiny 15 months or eight months,

10 months sentence, five months. You don't have any idea how much, trouble you're in right now right at least at the time i ain't take you i mean or i don't no no no no you you think that what are you thinking i'm a juvie that's what i'm thinking yeah but they that that that they the law has a certain amount of passes before they say i don't give a shit how old you are i found you're an adult you're making adult these are adult crimes bound they call it they call it back in tennessee they call it bounding you over yeah bound you over so i ended up uh i didn't i didn't i didn't let out no shots, I ended up jumping out of the car while I was rolling. And I take out, I take

out running. And as I'm running, I got a lead on the police. It's two fences, two small fences. I leap one. And when I go to leap the other, my body shut down. I'm literally laying, I thought I was paralyzed. I'm looking at the police run towards me. And I'm having a conversation with myself, like, why can't I move? Like, I'm scared. I got an ounce of a white in my pocket. I'm knowing what was in the car. And I can't move nothing. And when the police got to the fence he jumped the first and he got to the fence and he kind of looked he was like what's wrong and i said i can't move he was like what i was like i don't know i said i cannot i can't move but you're not on drugs or anything you just said what you think the adrenaline just

crashed they took me to the hospital they said i was low on potassium they said my body just shut down they brought me some bananas and some water and i was and i jumped the back literally literally true sorry bro like but the police they didn't want to touch me because they didn't so they called amelands and when they called amelands the amelands said for some reason they couldn't put me in the ambulance so they ended up picking me up and just set me in the backseat of the police car and my arm started moving just a little bit and i took the white and pushed it down in the seat as far as i could and they took me out took me in the hospital i'm laying there they ran my blood the police said that i was long potassium they gave me some bananas i drunk some

water and i'm sitting there as police everywhere because everything that doesn't happen they asked me all these questions i ain't trying to do no talking and they rolled the guy by that I shot. He's butt up as they rolling by. They stopped him in front of my door. Is that him? That's him. That's what they said.

They said, is that the guy who shot you? And he said, I don't know who shot me. And when he said that, I'm trying, I got a, I said, well, I'm going to get on up out of here. I said, I said, by the time I say, I'm getting ready to leave, they were like, no, we got the guns. I was like, I was like, I didn't make my guns. They were like, well, who guns is? I said, the other person that was in the car. They said, who else was in the car?

I said, I can't take it. They said, you jumped out of the drive side. We got the car with nobody. I said, they made my guns. They never charged me with the guns. Too sorry. They never charged me with the guns. What city is this?

Springfield, Tennessee. This sounds like the city to commit crime. I'm dead. I am dead serious. They never charged me with the gun. I got charged. They didn't charge me with the gun, but I got charged with the attempted murder. And I got a lawyer named George Duzain.

He got it dropped down to aggravated assault said because it was below the way. They gave me three years for that, and then they gave me one year for the, they call it, felony evading. I got four years probation. And then I got out, I was out eight months. That was, I did a year on the nose on that. Wait a minute. You got, you pled guilty, or did you go to trial? I played guilty.

Pled guilty to one count of. Aggravated assault. Okay. And was it in charge. felony evading for the high speed chase and they gave you four years and you did four years no no no no no no no no no no no no you said it right you did you said it right you got four years i did a year on the nose and i came home on three years paper a year on four years two seven two sir no was that because you were um i was a juvie i was a juvie they bound me over it was

basically my first my first offense uh but before that i got to tell you about this lick Did you go to a juvenile prison or did you go to an adult prison? Well, when they called me, I was, I was 17, because this was the case, they bound me over home. Okay. So I ended up doing a little time in juvie, then they bound it over, and then I stayed in jail, whatever little time I had, and then I went home from jail. So I went to juvie and jail, because when they asked me at the hospital, they were like, you're going to jail. You know that. I was like, I ain't going to jail.

They were like, oh, you're going to jail for this. I was like, you can't take me to jail. They were like, why can't we can't take you to jail? I said, I'm only 17. You can't take me to jail. You got to take me to jail. You got to take me to jail. I call John.

All my people who've been watching me, they'll know what I'm talking about. That was my caseworker, John. But, yeah, that's the story before I did. I was home eight months and then the murder case. But before that, before they attempted murder, I had hit a lick robbery for $125,000 cash. Okay. This happened. I'm in high school.

Right. I'm sitting in school suspension. And this guy walks up, I will say his name. We cool, we're cool now, though. We're cool, too. So I'm sitting in school suspension. Everybody knows me at the time for robin. I kind of got a name for robin.

And this guy walks a white guy. And he was like, man, I want to hollet you about this leak. We're getting ready to hit. I said, that was up, what's up? What's up? He said, man, look, it's four of us. He said, there's a woman who can barely see and barely hear. He said, we from, true story.

I don't doubt it. He said, he said, there's a woman who can barely see, barely hear. He said, and we already know that the money is there because they had already been stealing and robbing them for guns. And so they ended up running across the safe stealing the guns that they were selling. And I said, how much money is it? He was like, I don't want to tell you. I don't want to tell you right now.

He said, but we're going to give you $5,000 a piece. That's $20,000. Damn. I said, well, who is it? They wouldn't tell me who it was. He said, if you tell me the plan of work, he said, we're going to give you $5,000. I said, well, what's the plan? He said, bro, the door going to be unlocked.

We're going to pull in. We're going to walk in. Like normal people, he was like, do you think we need to wear a mask? He was like, because everybody in the neighborhood knows, we don't want to look suspect. He said, we're just going to go in the house. We're going to, he said, you turn, you walk in, you turn left. It's a closet right there under the blanket that's safe. We're going to get the safe.

Walk out. One of the guys is going to watch the lady. Two people going to pick it up. One person going to stay in the truck. We're going to do. I said, that's it's it. He was like, yeah. I said, that's the easiest robbery I've ever been in my life.

I was like, yeah, that'll work. That'll work. When y' y'all going to do it? I want my cut. So he was like, we're going to do it. He was like, I'm going to call it. I'll let you know. He was like, you sure that'll work.

I was like, yeah, just let me know when y'all do it. A couple of days or weeks or whatever go by. I'm asking, I'm asking. They ain't never do it. So one day I'm sitting in the bed, it's kind of raining. I said, my phone ring, and he was like, man, you need to get up. He said, I need to go with us. He was like, this is the perfect time because whatever was going.

I guess today was aware or whatever. He was like, with my brother, who's the other guy who's supposed to be able to say? He was like, he ain't answering his phone. I think his phone did or he was with their girl or whatever. He was like, we need you to be the fourth person. I already know the plan. But I had been telling my homeboys about it as far as how they told me. But I don't know where it's at.

I don't know. I just know how they explained it. So they drive to the house and get me. I call my homeboys and tell them, y'all go to the house. Because my plan initially was we're going to, y'all rob us when we get back with the safe. Right. So as we, as we, they pick me up. They don't know I got a gun.

We drive to the house. When we get to the house, this house is five, six minutes from where I live. Nice neighborhood. We literally bagged in the driveway. And I was like, I've been robbing the wrong way. Like, this is crazy. They bagged in, no masks, no gloves, no nothing. They stepped out of the car, and I was like, they were like, come on.

I'm like, this is crazy. So I got out, I'm walking the house with them. Nice house. I'm talking about Corv, they got all kind of stuff. We walk in, door and lock. Guy went over, closed the door up on the lady. She was watching Younger than Restless. We turned right there, boom, open the door, safe, move the blankets.

I was like, just that easy? So we've been down, at that point, my mind racing. Like, how do I, I got a, like, what? We've been down and picked the safe up, and I said it was too heavy. I said, put it down. I said, it's too heavy. I said, we can't get that. It's too heavy.

You have to go get your brother. He was like, no, boy, I'm telling you, we got it. I said, no. I said, we picked it up and drop it. She here, police doing it. We're doing it. I said, just go get your brother. We'll come right back.

He was like, all right, so we covered it back up, close the door. As we walking out, I'm texting my home boy. Don't do, when we pull up, y'all be over here at the basketball court. Let them pull out, pick me up. We're going, they were like, all right, cool. They drive me back to my mama house. I get out. They pull off.

I waved them off. when they pulled out my home boys pulled up in the truck before they even stopped I jump in the back of the truck put my hand on the wind open the window

he was like we were going I said turn his way turn his way I said we get there me and you we're going to pick up the same you go in

you watch this woman she's going to be over at this door you sit in the truck and as I'm driving I'm explaining out of this we drive back in

the same way they did that they were comfortable we're comfortable we good we ain't nobody We back in this driveway Get out Walk in

Same plan But this time My little cousin He see the keys They had up I don't think it was A Harley It was some kind of motorcycle

They had He grabbed the keys He was like man I'm gonna I said no That ain't what we're here for That ain't what we're here for Put that down

Leave that alone We go He watched the lady We've been in the corner Pick the safe up Put it in the truck Pulled off Put it in the house

I told them to drive back around To the basketball court I sit there Waited a couple of minutes. They called me. We fend to come back. We fend to pick you up. We got my brother.

That was up. Cool. I'm going back a third time. They called. They called me. They were like, come outside. So I come out. I come running.

Gun on me. I'm knowing ain't none one of them got a gun. I get in the car. We drive down the street. Go back over there. They back in again. We go in the house. But what we forgot to do was close the door.

The closet door, what the safe was at. So we go in the brother. he kind of cocky he walk in and he go over by the door and then he turned the corner of the cloud he was like he turned around he was like why would y'all y'all left the closet door on for it like what are y'all doing but he walking closer and by the time he see the safe going he said he kind started looking and they were like what he was like the safe is gone he started going off i up the gun on everybody don't nobody move in here don't nobody move don't nobody move until i get my cut i don't know what y'all did with the safe where it's it what you got going on

Pull in. What are y'all got to pull? Yeah, quit playing with me. And everybody ducking and, no, no, no, boo, I promised. I said, no, y'all don't know what y'all think this is. So I'm kind of going off and waving the gun at everybody, and we kind of calm down. They were like, men. This woman's in the next room.

She there. They said she could barely see and barely here. I guess they told the truth. So we ended up leaving, getting in the car. We are going in the car. I got the gun out the whole time. They take me back to my mama house. They pull off saying, we're going to find out who done it.

I had my home boys to pull up. They pulled up. We're trying to crack it open, we couldn't get it open. One of my homeboys was on probation. Well, my cousin was on probation, the one who owned the truck, with his daddy's truck. He had to go see his probation officer, and one of my, my other homeboy, he wanted to ride with him to the probation officer. I said, that was so cool. So he leave, and there's only two of us.

My brother's upstairs. My daughter was upstairs. We cracked the safe open, just enough for me to get my hand in it. And it was a little box. I unhooked the box, reaching the box, just enough to grab a little bit. and I pulled out all $100 out of bills I pulled out about $30,000

all hundreds it scared me I just dropped it I just looked at the money and I looked at my cousin we both was like I think we both felt like we're in trouble

more so than more more so than we rich I think we were like somebody to come looking for this and then so I ran upstairs I went and got my brother

I was like come downstairs come down to come downstairs he was a big time drill deal at the time so we come down and he see the money he was like what you done did

I was like, and he grabbed the money. When he grabbed the money, my cousin pulled a gun out on my brother. He was like, nah, you put that down. I said, whoa, hold on, hold on. He was like, no, he was like, he didn't go with us. He didn't get nothing. He was like, man, and my brother threw the money up in the air.

He was like, we rich. So we ended up getting all the money out. It's $125,000 cash, all hundreds. And they had a bunch of coins, like with blue books in them. Like, you can unfold them. And these coins would tell you the value. We didn't know what they were. them away. I'm talking about stacks like this. Jaws, Buffalo, I didn't know what Buffalo

was. They had, I'm talking about thousands of coins, thousands and thousands and thousands of corn. We just took it and threw it away. Then years later, they was like, them coins, and I can remember seeing the value of them corn. I remember it. I just were like, man, we're going to do. We don't want the coins. We want the money. We threw out of the coins away. And I ended up giving my brother majority. I gave my brother 60. I took 40, gave my little cousin, 20. And then, When they came, we told them it was only like 30-40, and we gave them like $25,000 a piece. And then it came out in the news.

It came out in the newspaper, how much money it was, and people started wearing T-shirts and saying that they was going to get me. It started floating around it in my name, that I'd done it. But the four white guys ended up getting charged, and they started telling them it was me. They got charged for what? They didn't, I mean, for burglary, but they didn't steal anything. or entering a...

They still paying their money back to this day. Oh, my God. Two stories. Two stories. Well, I talked to one of them, but I'll tell you, well, look, man, I ran across one on when I came home and had a job, and I didn't know he worked there until I was there for about two, three weeks. We ran across each other.

We was driving a college cherry picker, and I seen him. He seen me. And you could feel the tension, and somebody ended up saying something to him, somebody. And I was like, man, tell him, I want to talk to him. Because I don't know. I don't know where you're mind is. And we ended up talking. And he jumped off the machine.

He walked up to me, put this thing in my face. He said, man, I want to offer you for a long time. He was like, but I understand. He was like, I was just another pawn in your chest game. And we had a conversation. He was like, I'm over. He was like, but I don't even want nobody to know I got a job. He was like, bro, we still paying their money back.

He was like, because of the entrance. Some, when you didn't pay it because of the interest, collect the interest or whatever the case may be. but yeah man um they tried to tell the police that it was me i went down there and talked to the police willingly three times i went down there what you just say in the car in the car that i bought with the with the code i had on the first time i went the first time i went there with the money in my pocket right well the first time i went in there the detective told me he said i he said i'm only just following up on all leads he said i don't believe you got it he's like it's impossible

for you to have it he was like you don't know where they live you don't know what time you don't know what it's safe would be you don't have no connection with the friend how would you even know any of this information he said and we know they know because they were stealing them guns and selling them he told me the whole case okay so that's really what linked them because of the guns right so they just threw that out nothing what are they going to say we've already sold this many guns you got us on oh yeah and the safe we did this but not that and so we went we went back and and forth and he was like you you can go that was the first time second time we wanted It was a little pressure because he was like,

they insisting that they called you that day and some text messages that day and this and this and that. I was like, man, there ain't nobody. I don't know nothing about none of that. I'm thinking he's trying to scare me because I only text them that morning. That was the only time we ever text. Other than that, there wasn't no phone connection to me.

So when I left, I was kind of wary. But I didn't even tell the other people that was with me that I had been going down there to talk to the police. Because if I had it, I ain't going to lie, I was going to throw everybody under the bus. That's true. I was holding out of cars. If I got the butt

The third time I went He called me He was like I need you come down here again So I went down there He told me He was like

We're about to get the message He was like Is anything you want to tell me I said look I'm gonna be honest with you I said all I know I was I was sitting in Insule suspension

I said the guy name I said he came up to me and told me That they was going to get this safe And they was gonna give me $20,000 a piece All I know is It all this stuff

done broke out My name is in it I saw it in the newspaper And I still ain't got my money that's all I know when he was like and I believe you and I said

I said what I'm good to go he was like yeah he's it he's already got his guys they're already rolling over on each other left and right and I walked out

and he called me one last time I was in my mama house he called me he was like Joe he was like he was like I know you don't been down a few times without

I was like you do know I'm 17 right he was like yeah yeah yeah I was like I've been down there three times without my mama I said I didn't tell my mom I said my mom said next time I come down and she's gonna file lawsuit never heard from again it was over it was over with true sir it was it was done it was

done but uh like i said i was out so after that you got the the murk the attempted murder you went you did how many months the year a year i did the year i did the year yeah the first time i did five months five days second time i did 10 months second time i did a year on the nose i got locked up november 16 2005 got out november 16 2006 okay 2007 july 27th i got arrested for especially aggravated robbery, especially at a kidnap, first degree premeditated murder and three counts of felony murder. Well, what happened there? This is a tough one.

This one, this one are hard to talk. This one, this one kind of hard to talk about. A lot of my old, a lot of them stories, you know I was a kid. This one right here kind of sensitive. Why? Because you were an adult. You knew better? By this point?

Nah. Somebody lost their life, man. Right. Yeah, somebody lost their life. And at the time, I understand what the time. I understand what at the time that's just how we were living if I want to be real

it took me probably two and a half years to even realize what had really happened but this situation man I was living in Clarkville at the time I was really good I ended up getting a call from one of my friends Clarkville, Tennessee

Clarkville Tennessee it's about 45 minutes from Springfield and one of my friends Kyle sorry how old were you 18 18 This is after, yeah, I'm 18. After you got out of prison.

Yeah, yeah. Now, jail. This is before I go to prison. Okay. Jail. So, yeah, I'm 18, 19. Yeah, I'm 18, 19, I believe. And so he called me, he gets into it with this guy at the car wash.

We call it the car wash. And they get into it about a girl, I think. He's trying to pume, pume somebody in a bullet, hit the ground, ricochade, and hit a girl in the neck. She lived. So he's on the run for attempted murder He called me asking me for a place Can he come and stay with me

While I'm in Clarkville because it ain't the home It ain't where we're from So I'm like, yeah, you can come So he come a few days go by He can't hustle, he can't get no money He can't get no money, he thinks about lawyer Think about bond, thinking about what he's going to do As far as if he get locked up

So he was like, man Would you go down there and hit a lick with me Basically would I go down there That was my, that's what I did other than selling work here and there, you know, I robbed. So I was like, yeah, I'm with that. I'm cool.

Yeah, yeah, we can go down there and do that. He was like, who? I was like, I don't know. I was like, let me call. So I called my cousin, who's locked up now. Matter of fact, all the guys I got in trouble with, all of them locked up right now. I called my cousin.

I asked him, he was like, he said a guy name. He was like, he's sitting under the tree. When you're under the tree, basically, in the project, that's basically where everybody hustling it. I'm like, cool, I'm like, that's what we'll do. And he was like, bett, I was like, just keep an eye and we're going to come down there. So as we're driving down, gun in the car,

I'm driving here in the passenger seat. I ain't got no license. Police get behind us in this little city called Coopertown. We call them Cooper Troopers because it's hard to go through there and not get pulled over. The police hit the lights. They're behind us. I'm thinking we're going to get pulled over.

I asked my home, I'm like, do you want me to smash, run it? He was like, no, he was like, just pull over. He was like, if they give me, he was like, I'm going to just going to go to jail. I'm thinking, cool. So I pull over, the police go around us and keep going. And I was like, dang.

So we drive to town. When we get there, pick up my cousin, he showed me where the guy was at. We picked up another guy. We ended up switching cars at one point, switching cars again. And we ended up coming up with this plan that we was going to,

where he's at his car is on this side but we're saying we're going to drop off one this guy going to drive this car we're going to grab him and we're going to go to his house because we don't know he probably ain't got a lot of we thinking we want everything

right so we do that we end up getting out of the car kidnapping drive to his house we get to his house bravest guy I think I'll ever see in my life The guy you grabbed? Yes.

When we stand in there, he told us, he said, I'm not taking y'all in my house. He said, my kids is in there. He looked at the guy, well, the other guy that grabbed him. He was like, I'm not taking y'all in there. My kids is in there. At the time, I don't know. I do believe he believed that, but at the time, I think he also realized we didn't know which one he lived in, too. He was aware.

Because we had the keys, but we didn't know which one. Right. So when he said that, he turned to walk off. and when he turned to walk off my homeboy grabbed him on his shoulder turned around and he shot

he didn't know where he shot he tried to shoot him in his leg he ended up shooting him in his torso so when he shot him in the torso he get down on the ground everybody takes out run and we get in the car we pull out

we don't know what happened until the next morning and I hear my homeboy walking through the hallway and he said I didn't kill nobody so when he said that I rose up he in the bathroom I go downstairs My little cousin is down there.

I said, what's going on? He said, he didn't make it. I said, y'all got to leave. We end up, I end up driving them back home. I don't drive the guy who pulled the trigger all the way home. I drive him halfway. He had somebody come pick him up. He wouldn't have turned itself in for the attempted.

Right. As we drive him back home, the police called my phone. The same detectives had always caught me. We had a love-of-hate relationship. He told me how I would get back. to that. I answered the phone. He was like, oh, I need you come there and talk to him. I said about what? He said, I think you know what it's about. I said, I don't know what you're talking about. He was like, no, not yet. I said, I ain't nothing to talk about it. I get out of the phone. When I hang on the phone, go ahead. How are they

connecting you to this? I don't know how they did it at that face. Maybe somebody saw you guys grabbed him? Somebody, somebody saw the car. Okay. I don't, to this day, I don't have a clue how they, how names. I take it back. The girl that got hit, the guy that he was into it with, I think rumors were already connecting his name to things. And maybe his name came up and that happened that night and I don't know. But this guy just recently told me, I never knew this until maybe two months ago he thought that he was supposed to be the one that we were coming to get because I'm related to the guy he was trying to shoot the night when the girl and he thought we were coming to get so I don't know if it aspired from oh they were supposed to come and get me

but it ended up being I don't know but um so when I hang up with the detective he called my cousin phone while he in the car with me and I'm looking over at him and I'm trying to read his body language to kind of see where he's at with everything. He'd get out of the phone. I was like, what do he say? He was like, he wanted me to come down there and talk to him. I said, we can't do that. To go to Clarkville, you have to pass my mama house.

So we had stopped that night after it happened and put the guns in a car that my mama wasn't using them. I didn't know she had already found the guns and got rid of him. So by the time the police had called both of us, my mama started calling me, asking me what was going on. And I was like, ain't nothing going to. And I was like, I talked to, quit calling me on his phone. And she just kept calling and kept calling and kept calling.

I was like, I talked to you when I get there. I'm not knowing, because we double-keying the guy in the car with me. I'm not knowing my mama done went to his mama house. So when I drop him off, his mama takes him to the police department. I'm at my mama's house in the back yard on the swing she had. So an hour ago by, I called. I'm like, what's going on? And she was like, he's still back there being interrogated.

I said, tell his mama to go back here and get him, quit talking. She was like, why? If y'all ain't had nothing to do it, then he's cool. I said, he's been back there too long. She hang up. She's like, quick, don't call me back. She hang up. Two hours go by.

I call again. What's going on? She said, he's still back there. I said, go get him. Go back there and get him. She was like, no, I'm not, if y'all didn't have anything to do it, why are you so worried? But I said, you need to go back there and stop there. Tell her to go back there.

She hang up. Three hours going by. He's still back there. Three and a half. They finally called. We're on our way home. I said, all right, because she asked me to come down that. I'm not, I don't have anything to say to them.

They pulled up to the house. I got a gun on me. So she, he did come out. He did come out. Okay. He didn't get a good sign. Yeah, sure was. So we thought.

But he comes out. They come to the house. My mama had a red contour at the time. They pulled in. I'm sitting in the swing, so they pull in front of me. My mom was on the passenger. his mama driving he gets out of

now his mama on the passenger my mama driving he gets out behind the passenger door so he's right in front of me when he opened the door and when you open the door I said what you tell him and he was like

I ain't tell him nothing I said let's walk to the store his mama said all y'all go into jail I pulled a I kind of I said I ain't going nowhere I said let's walk to the stove

and she was like he ain't going nowhere I said, he ain't got no choice. And my mom said, boo, I said, no, I just want to go to the store and talk. So we walk across the street to the store, and I'm conflicted, just like you just said. That's a good sign. Right. I'm thinking he and her three and a half hours on a murder, kidnapping, and robbery. If you said anything that incriminated you, if you said anything that you was there,

there ain't no way you standing in front of me. Ain't no way. So I asked him, I said, what did you tell him? What was you down there doing for three, three and a half hour? He said, and his first response was, I didn't tell him nothing about you. And I believed him because the police ain't came and got me yet. And I was like, well, what did you tell him? Did you, he said, I blamed it all on the shooter.

Right. And I said, so you say you was there? He was like, they said they ain't worried about me. They said they want the gunman. I said, so you told them, he said, because. I didn't tell them nothing about you. The shooter's going to. I said, I still, I was like,

ain't no way you, you, you, he said, I'm telling you. He said, you need to go down there and do the same thing. He said, he said, all they were saying was they wanted to shoot. He said, they even called the DA. I said, why are you in it? He said, they just want the shooter. I was like, all right. This was July.

24th when it happened. July 27, hold on, June 24th when it happened. July 27th is when they came to get me. I'm thinking... You never went down? No. Never got arrested.

Never went and talked, nothing. And the guy that I'm telling you about, they went down there and talked first, started going with my ex-girlfriend. So I'm driving down the street one day, yeah. Well, he's got a death wish, doesn't he? I mean, like, he's just one bad decision after another. Listen, it is.

You don't seem to take kindly to people dating your ex-go-old. Man, listen, he was doing, he was just doing so much. It was so weird because I'm like, that was June 24th. It's a month and a half almost. Like, they ain't called me. They ain't. So I'm trying to talk. He ain't answering his girl.

my ex telling him not to talk to me and all this and I'm like I'm so confused so I went and hired a lawyer

out of Hendersonville named Bo Taylor and Bo Taylor was the lawyer to the four white guys on a $125,000 dollar case okay

I go in there and hiring him not knowing that at the time that's conflict of interest didn't it I pay him

in $100 bills okay from the safe listen not from the safe but I paid him hundred dollar bills.

Comes out later, he took offense to it and went and told them that I was trying to run. That I, because I told him to file a motion for me to go to a job court, but he goes and tells the DA all kinds of craziness and basically was going to help them get to me. So the day, he don't file these motions and told them that, he don't file these motions for me to go to job course. He calls me to see, I guess to see if I'm in my mama's house, telling me I'm going to come and get you so we can go to court.

I'm like, cool, you pull them, come to get me. Like, me and, Bo, cool. Like, everybody, Bo, defend. He lawyers for doughboys, like, Bo name ring. Like, you want to pull them and come get me? That's cool. Bo, we can do that. So, by that time, then the police called my mama's house phone.

I'm sitting in the room. She come and knock on the door, cover the phone and say, police on the phone. So when she say that, my firefighters is saying, they're here. They're trying to make sure I'm in the house. They would have called my phone. So I grabbed the phone at the same time

I look out of the blinds And I see an unmarked car No patrol cars I said oh they're gonna try to do it to me If I try to run They're gonna try to hit me this time So I go out the back door To see if it's any police in the back

No police in the back So I find out I'm like hello And he was like Joe I think you need to come down and talk to me I was like about what? He was like You know what it's about I was like no I don't He was like yeah

You know what it's the out. I said, am I under arrest? He was like, no, not yet. And I was like, well, I'm not coming down now. I hang up, because I'm debating him by trying to run. I call my other homeboy that they drove the car, the other car. I called him. I said, had the police been to your house? He was like, no, why? I said, the police is in my house, and he got quiet. It was awkward. I said, what's up, bro? He said, you need to go down there and talk to him. I said, for what?

He paused again. He said, they just left my house. He said, I told him anything. Okay, wait a minute. Hold on a minute. This still isn't the shooter. No. Where's the shooter?

It's in jail, only attempt to murder. He turned himself in. Oh, he turned himself in. Oh, that's right. You said that. You said that. I'm sorry, that's my fault. Yeah, he turns himself in.

He'll turn himself in on the attempt of murder. On the attempt. Yeah, he ain't been charged yet. He don't know what's going on. All this is happening, he hasn't been even spoken to. They're trying to build a whole case. Yep, he don't got a clue. And so when he was like, they just left my house.

He said, I just told him everything. He said, they just want you to tell him. He said the same thing. They just wanted to shoot him. I said, why you didn't call and tell me? He tried to tell you the first time to go down. He's been trying to. This was the second dude.

Oh, this is the driver. This is the driver to the other car. It's four of us. But this is complicated. The shooter locked up. Yeah, yeah. My cousin, the one that was driving that was at the house when he said, I ain't killed nobody. He was downstairs.

Then the other guy who was on the other street, they drove the car and followed us. Okay. It's four of us. Okay. Yeah. By bad. Is this me? Is it that?

I mean, it's a little complicated. Because I ain't saying names. That's right. That's why, because I'm saying my home board is identifying. everybody. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm a little slow.

No, you're good, you're good. You ain't slow at all. But, so when he say that, I hang up the phone and I walk in the house and I'm like, do I want to run or not? By that time, I'm in my room and I'm thinking, and I hear, I knew they was in the house. And they knocking on the door, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So I opened the door, saw rifles in my face, getting it. They grabbed me. My mom's standing right there.

I looked up at the barrel of the room. up at the barrel of the rifle, and he was like, you're under arrest. He read the charges, special evaded a robbery, special evaded a kidnap, first degree premeditated murder, three counts of fizzing the murder. And I said, you ain't got nothing? He said, you're about to find out. They picked me up. They call a patrol car then.

They take me down to the police department. I get down there, I'm down here three hours. When I first get there, I ain't doing no talking at all. I don't want to talk to nobody. The only reason I'm at home is because I have a lawyer. I'm supposed to be a court. So I'm telling them out the top, call Bo. By the third time I say this, they tell me, we already talked to Bo.

We probably, we probably a little, we're probably about 30, 40 minutes in. They tell me they already talked to my lawyer. I'm like, yeah, we talked about it. You want to call him? I'm like, yeah, call him. They called my lawyer right there in the interrogation room, on speaker. No audio running, no visual running, nothing. They called Bo.

Bo said, Joe, everything's going to be all right. They just want to shoot her. Go ahead and talk. I'll be down there in a second. Hang up. My lawyer said this. I looked and I was like,

that was weird. Then my lawyer telling me this. So I started giving them all kind of crazy stories, never invocating myself. And at that point, they were like, no, every time they typing, as I'm talking, never incriminate me. I don't know.

Everything I'm saying is around. And every time they were, nope, that ain't. they would throw it away boom it ain't nothing nope that ain't it that ain't it until I said I had the AK 47 they was like oh this the one you can sign this boom I signed it I ended up I go to the county when I get to the county they put me in the same unit where he at for the 10th murder then I found out he had been charged that morning why they was coming to charge me they charged him too they put me in a cell with this guy I can't remember his name but soon as I go in I tell him I tell him He introduced himself and I tell him my name, I'm like, I'm boo.

And his eyes got big. He was like, Boo Baker? And I'm like, yeah, he was like, man. And he started saying my case. He started saying facts about the situation. I took my hand and covered up the mic. I said, who told you that? Because at this point, you get easily to say I told you this.

Because what he was saying was true. Right. And I was like, who told you? He was like, you're talking down there doing story time every night. I was like yeah he'd be down there telling it I said oh no I said I said we you can't be in to cell with me like can't about being in the cell with me did know any kind of information like to tell the DA that I told him that that ain't gonna that ain't gonna happen I said so when we go out for Rick I said I'm not coming back in the cell and just they call Rick I go down there

and talk to this dude man and I'm like man what is you doing he's like man we're gonna be all right we cool and the look at his eye just made me feel like like he was cool with me being there I said man you act like you're happy I'm here And his response was, after all you don't got away, boo, you should have been down here. That's what he told me. I said, I'm going to play crazy. He was like, that ain't going to work. I said, well, we're about to find out.

And when they told us to go back in the cell, I started playing crazy. I said, I ain't going back in the cell. So they end up taking me to the observation cell where this happened. You were in the observation cell? Not when this happened. This is how I ended up getting to the observation shell. They moved me from B, they moved me from W. to be, and then when they moved me to

B, I tricked them into bringing me a razor and then this happened. Okay. After this happened, they... Is this a real... This isn't a real attempt. No. No, no, no. After this happened, they take me to the observation cell, which is where intake is at. Which is where I caught the escape on the murder

case. Okay. As I'm in intake, I can see the control buttons, because it's clear. It's open. I can see, I can hear. There's two doors you got to go through to just push doors and then you got the door that they got to hit the button for you. Go in. They're supposed to close security, you know, then the other door open so you can go out.

To Sallyport. So I'm peeping all of this is what's going on. And of course, they don't call mobile crisis so they got me taking medication and all this whole stuff. So I'm trying to figure out how to pull this off and just so happening. I'm flooding my cell a lot. I'm acting a fool. I'm kicking the door. And there was a lady, I can say her name, we got Ms. Hubert. Ms. Hubert used to let me out of the cell, basically, to keep me calm. So she let me out of the cell, and I'm cleaning one day. And as I'm cleaning, a guy comes in, and she was like, you got to go back in the cell.

Let me get him processed here. I'm going to let you back out. When she closed the door, she didn't lock it. She just pushed it up. She was like, I'm going to let you back out, and she walked off. And my thought was, cut the lights off, lay down that clock you sleep. So I did just that. Boom, cut the lights off.

I lay down, I'm chilling. After that, when, after she got them processed in, and I'm laying there, the med call happened. So the med car coming around, I hear it, but I ain't, I ain't thinking, because I'm thinking she comes around, she pulls, she goes and the door's unlocked, and she goes off immediately. Who left Baker's door unlock? Everybody knows he's a fly wrist, he's a high risk, inmate, all this, this, and that,

and she just goes crazy. and they was like it's a mistake we was going to let him back out he was cleaning whatever whatever she was like now y'all can't do this with baker so she ended up locking the door and i'm thinking dang i'll never get that opportunity again two three days go back i flood the cell and as i'm flooding the cell the cell the captain of the jail at the time is my cousin so first of all you know what flooding the cell is it's uh what you stuffed the sink or the toilet with paper and then you know what the only reason i know that is because we never posted this video.

You and Boziak were reviewing the Mr. Beast locked in jail. And someone in that video was doing that. And you and Boziac were like, yeah, he's been in jail before. That's funny. Yeah, yeah, so I'm flooding the cell. They don't know.

They don't know I'm flooding it. Because what I did was I clawed the door. Yeah. And I just flooded and let it get up. And then I moved it and let it just. Yeah. So when out of water, when out of water came out, the two lady officers,

they're looking over him. And the guy also, he, he's mad. He come over, he unlocks the door. He basically was ready to fight me at the time. You know the thing, they got the chair. They lock you up in the chair. They put the mask on you. He was like, oh, you going in a chair?

And I was like, man, I ain't going in the chair. He was like, oh, you're going in the chair? And I was like, you know what cool? I was going to go in the chair. So they put one hand cuff on me. And when he put me, I was like, nah, if he put me in that chair, they're going to leave me in there for hours this time. Because they didn't did it before.

I was like, I ain't doing that. Not tonight. And I was like, man, get out of me. I was like, I ain't going. I was like, I ain't going in a chair. And when I yanked away, he took it, you know, that's almost basically assault on the officer. Right. Yeah, when I janked away, he was like, oh, so what, he kind of grasped.

And it's water. So we kind of tussling, he slips in the water in the boots. He goes down. When he go down, the other person, I kind of put, could I go down with him and I pushed off his chest and I raised, I raised up. The other officer, we're getting ready to go at it. My cousin comes through the door. He getting up off the ground. He getting ready to punch me.

And my cousin said, if you hit him, you're going to, I'm walking you right out of here. And I turned, I started laughing and I said, yeah, what are you going to do? And I still got the cuff hanging off of me. And I was like, tell him, take this out of me, because he was like, what's going on? And I was like, man, they're trying to put me in the chair. I was like, no, why is all this water in here? Like, you're trying to blame my officers. He was like, he was like, sit down.

And he told me to sit down. And he leaned in. He said, you know what? You're full of most than a turkey on Thanksgiving, because he said, what's you trying to do? I said, I ain't trying to do nothing. I said, what do you think I'm trying to do? You think I'm trying to run? He was like, I don't know.

Are you? I said, I'll tell you what. I said, your officer's done trying to let me out of here before. I said, next time they try to let me out of here, I'm going to run. And I was lying at that time. I said, next time they tell me I go, I said, I'm going to leave. And he said, if I get a call and they tell me you, I'm going to fire that entire shift. I said, all right.

He said, I'm telling you. You watch and see what I tell you. Two days went back. It might even, it might even been two days. I was out cleaning. She let me out to clean. A guy come in. and soon as he came in he was

I ain't going in no hole in cell I'm about to make bomb my people followed us up here my people outside right now and she told me she said step in the cell let me get him processed in I'm gonna let you back out she closed the door the exact same thing I turned the light off took my clothes out

lay down by this time I'm watching him do all this yelling I'm knowing his people out here because the ladies kept saying they are out here you want me to buzz them in and she was like yeah you can let them in so by that time I hear the cart I raised up soon as she hit the corner I said I don't need my mids I'm good

She was like you sure I said yeah I don't want them And she turned around And when she I lay back down By the time That shift left and third shift Came in I guess they went around the corner

They were checking I lift my hands under the door And barely pushed it Made sure And I closed it back up And I just sit there And by the time they went He was getting ready to come out

I heard a call his name They went open the door When he came on He said I'm out I told y'all I was making bond. I'm hoping it was somebody I knew so I can kind of tell him, look, I'm going to bust the move, get out of the way. But by that time, I heard a guy say, you want me to, the woman say you want me to buzz them in. It's a guy sitting in two women in the cage.

He said, yeah, go ahead and buzz them in. And I heard, um, clah. I knew it was one door, and she buzzed them both. And, and I rose up. I thought I was tripping. and I looked at the door and I was kind of looking around and they all turned and saw me

because I get in my shadow, it's dark, they seen me standing in the door. They all turned, waved, I've waved, and he was talking crazy. And I was like, she buzzed both in the doors. I know I ain't tripping. And I just barely tapped the door.

Boom. The door swung open. The door swing this way. So I got to come out, push the door, go ahead. So the door swing. The guy turned around. Like everything started moving in slow motion.

Like, he turned, they turned, his lips, he said, I was gone. I came through the door, boom, boom. By the time I came out the door and getting ready to go to the door outside, whoever his people was, she was like, oh, my God, I pushed her out the way and took out running downhill. I started tumbling. And I bounced up.

And when I bounced up, I turned around, and the officer who was sitting there and told him, Buzzman, he was standing at the top of the hill. He said the same thing. Every person who ever chased me said, Joe, don't do it. And so, sir, your job is gone. I turned around and ran across the street. It's a neighborhood over called Indian Hills when one of my homeboys lit over there.

But I didn't go straight there. It was a car, another one my, well, he was more so in my brother's, him and my brother was cool. But his car door was unlocked. I got in the car and laid down in the dad wore for politics. two, three hours until I seen the sun start coming up. By the time the sun started coming up, I rose up a little bit, got out of the car, ran to the house. I knew what my homeboy kept the kid.

I went in, took a shower, brushed my teeth with his teeth, toothbrush, watched my face, got on the outfit, and I just laid it in his bed. I just laid down, and I was like, what am I about to do? I couldn't even believe that it happened. I got the newspaper clipping, too. And he did exactly what he said. He fired him off. What happened when your buddy came home?

Did he come home and you were in this? No, no, no, no, no. I ended up, as I'm in the house, they don't know I'm in here. I don't know the police has already been there in search, neither. Oh, came there looking for me. So when I come out of the house, I can go up the driveway and his little brother room is upstairs. So I'm coming out of the house. They're not knowing I'm in, and I knock on his window outside of the house.

And somebody kept looking out of the blinds, and I'm like, come downstairs. So I did that three times, and I'm going back and going. going back in the house, they don't know I'm in here. So they're thinking, so about a third time, I'm like, why they ain't come down downstairs? So at this one, I'm like, this was up. I go up the steps in the house, and the door to go in the living room, it was locked. I tapped on the door.

And his dad, he was like, who is that? I said, man, it's boo. He was like, I don't know how you got in here. He said, but he said, you can't stay. He said, you got to go. He said, they already then came over here and searched, and he was on. Papers at the time for a murder charge, the guy. Right, right.

And he was like, he can't stay, but by that time they unlocked the door, I'm looking around and I'm wondering, where's the little brother that I kept telling come down and unlock the door? My ex-girlfriend come from around the corner. That's who was looking at the window. Oh, okay.

The little brother ain't even there. I said, what you? What? I said, I need a, I said, I need a, I said, I need a ride. Somebody take me to New Medical, which is where my cousin, Jeffrey Lille, I'd say his name. And she was like, I'd take him. She ended up taking me. And we went and picked up. My little cousin, the little brother, and the brother that you asking me, we picked up both of them. And we were right. They was asking me what I was going to do or whatever. And I ended up going to Clarkville. And when I got to Clarkville, I'm sitting on the back patio with this girl I know. Her brother pulls up. He knows me too. Everybody knew we had been on the news, newspaper. everything he pulled up he walked up the stairs and he just jumped and he was like how you I said I made bond what he said when I said it was a half he said it was a half million

dollar bond I said I had a bond reduction here and they dropped my eye he was like and what what about I said they ain't I said they dropped my head he was like oh okay and he was like you hung up and I'm like no I'm straight hanging no appetite he'd go in the house he ain't in there 15, 20 seconds I'm breaking news before the escape he comes right back out he said boo

I looked he said I thought you he was like but you're good you good you good you good and he was like you sure you ain't home

I said nah I said I'm gonna get some sleep I'm gonna go to Virginia in the morning he was like all right cool you're like you're going there and lay down I went in there

lay down next day you know the little brother shook me by the time I raised up, he was at the bedroom door, he said, boo, he said, I'm sorry. He said, they got the house around it. And he ran, and he took out running. I'm already thinking, I said, they must knew he had, once he out of the house, anybody else is going to be an issue. So I got up and

I'm sitting. As soon as I heard the door closed, boom, the detective got on the bullhorn. He said, Baker, we know you're in the house. We don't want you hurt. We don't know about, we don't want nobody else to get hurt, we just want you to come out of the house. The phone ringing at the time, I'm thinking, it's got to be them. So I wait for it to start ringing. I get on the phone, I call my family, because I'm basically about to go ahead and make them do it to me. I'm like, this is life in prison.

Like, I'll never see daylight again. It's just not going to happen. So I'm crawling around the house, and I'm, for some reason, I'm still psyched out in my mind thinking maybe I can escape this too. I ain't knowing the nature of really what's going on outside. So I take my hands and put them under the blinds so they can see my hands. And then I put my head under the blind because I'm trying to see. News Channel 4, News Channel Fox is out here.

They got mobile crisis. They got helicopters. There's police everywhere. And I'm like, it's over. Like, ain't no way I'm getting out of this. His mama, the girl mama at the house, took Seraquil. I had never took Sariquil at the time, but I knew people in jail who it took Sariquil to go to sleep. So I was like, man, I'm just going to take a bunch of Syracquil by the time.

They do come in here and get me. I'll be sleep. I'll go and wake up and realize I'm in jail. But it's cool. But so I crawl in there and I take some Syracquil. Of course, I go back and forward with the officer. And then I'm thinking I need to see the back part of the house. So when he called me on the phone, I was like, I'm thirsty.

He was like, well, love, he was like, you can go to the back. He was like, the blinds is open. He was like, you can go in the refrigerator. I'll make sure I tell nobody and not to shoot. I was like, cool. So I go, I open the refrigerator, grab a R.C., and he was like, now look to your left, and I looked, and he was standing there with the bullhorn. He waved, and he told me his name, and this, this and that, and he was like,

I really don't want you to get hurt. He was like, but we can't do this all day. And I was like, I'm going to make another call, and I call my girlfriend at the time who was in Virginia, where I was going to try to go. And I told her what I was about to make them do. And I guess they, I don't know, I guess they got the call, and they called the person back that I called, and then they called me on three-way with her.

And she was just telling me how selfish it was, and I had a daughter, and she basically talked me down. And at that point, they was like, just get out on the ground, we're going to come in, and I was like, cool. So I lay down. Next day, I don't know what they threw on her. I don't know if it was a flash bomb or what.

Like, they came in, and it was insane. It was movie. And they picked me up hogtabed me, carried me out. when they carried me out they threw me down on the ground and then now they did then they threw the flash bomb they threw the flash bomb in there because I remember thinking who who who paying for these people's damages like why are you throwing bombs at these people's house

but uh then by the time they went in and weren't nobody in there they got me and they walked me into the police car and the police reporters were running up to the car like putting the mic like how did you get out of the jail how did you get out of the jail and I was like they let me out they let me out by this time I'm getting I'm in the car they drive me down, the Syracuse, I took four or five of them. I don't even know the milligram.

And I had never been high, so I was out of it. So I'm getting out of, and I couldn't even walk. When they opened the door, I couldn't even walk. They was like, what's wrong? And I was scared. So I was like, they were like, did you take some? I'm like, yeah, I don't know what it was, but I know it's very quick. So they give me this little brown cup of whatever it is.

You swallow it, make it through it instantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They gave me that. I took it because I was scared out. Like, I could barely walk. Like, they was carrying me. So I drank it, and I threw up three seconds. It was, like, everything on my stomach came up.

So I'm sitting there. I know the charges, and I'm like, it's over. Like, this is, this is it. And two detectives came. They came and they opened the cell, and they was like, you know what we're here for, don't you? I said, yeah, I don't know exactly right here. They were like, well, tell us who did it.

I said, they getting in trouble? They was like, oh, probably not. Are they getting in trouble? Yeah, but they, they, They're talking about the case. They're talking about who let me at the jail. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

So I'm like, they're getting in. He was like, nah, they probably just, they probably just going to lose their job. They're not going to, they're not going to get charged and nothing. I said, well, if I said, well, if anybody's going to get charged, then if I can't get somebody in trouble with me right now, I'm trying to take whoever down at this point. Nah, I said, I said, there's nobody let me out. I said, it was an honest slip up, though. It really was. Yeah, yeah, it was not faultproof.

Yeah, it was honest slip. And, you know, you're waiting for the perfect, like that, that, the, the, that perfect moment, you know, may not have come, you know, you just, you waited, waited, waited, waited, waited, and waited. And it did, it was a perfect, it was a perfect, it was a perfect, man, and, um, I ended up, um, they put an emergency transfer on me. I was in prison before I got sentenced. They put me on what they call safekeeping. The 19, well, where I'm from is called a 19th district. did no jail want to hold me because of that situation. So they put the emergency transfer and hold me as a maximum security inmate until my case was resolved.

Oh, that sucks. I did two years and some change on max. But as I'm in there, I'm firing lawyers right out of the left because they're trying to use that statement against me the little bit that I did incriminate myself. I'm telling them no. Like, my lawyer, like, and they was like, I didn't have the receipt, and Bo Taylor wasn't,

I guess they were telling me they were trying to get into, touch with him, but I guess he wouldn't talk to him. And I ended up getting this lawyer named Joe DeBell, Nashville, Tennessee, man. Did I still know that number by heart? 2-4-4-1-1-1-2-4-1-1-2. Listen, that woman, man, I was wrong for what I did, most definitely. She came in, I told her what happened.

When I was down there, I was like, I don't have a receipt. I was like, I ain't, she was like, you ain't worry about that. Because I told her, I said, he filed a motion for me to go. go to court, like he was coming to get me. I said, what sense did it make? No video, no audio for me to be in a three and a half hour interrogation and not ask for my lawyer that I just got out of the phone with. I've been in trouble all of my life.

I was like, I was like, she was like, I tell you, well, don't worry, but I'm going to get my investigator on it. She went and got that. She said, the first mistake is she said, after they sign, what I guess the affidavit to arrest me, she said, they never should have questioned you know what you should have went straight to the jail. And she said, not only that, when they got that, they knew you had a lawyer and a court case pending. So they knew you had representation.

So they shouldn't talk to you? She said, they should have took you. She said, the first thing they did was they proved what time they picked me up, what time I got, what time they picked me up and what time I got to the jail. She said there was a three-hour gap. So she ended up talking to the police officer, the patrol car, and asking them, where did you take them? they didn't have it in the law book but he told him that he took me to the jail

because how is it that you arrest me at 10 and I don't get to the jail of four right so she ended up getting that gap and then she ended up whatever happened with Bo Taylor I don't know he ended up telling him

I thought she ended up telling me that he was going to lose his license at the bar and before you knew it it went from 22 years to 10 year sentence and she was like I could go in and this is what she told me

because we could have beat it I could have walked free I went to court She came in And I asked I said Well none of my family there I knew I was wrong At this point

I don't I understood not just that case But everything I had done at that point And I said who I said there's any of my She said no Well they offer me 15

She said right now They're coming down to 15 I said no tell them I'll take her 8 Or was it 12 She said I said tell them I take her 8 She went out there and he said 12 she came back and she said

I told him split the difference to do 10 and then I asked I was like man it's my family out there and she was like no I ain't nobody out there she was like Joe you need to take this she was like y'all got away she was like this is to them

you won this is a win this is a win and she was like and you know you she was like you you were there you done it this and she would like take this 10 do that time and do something with your life and I signed it I signed it, went in, and...

How old were you? Just turned 19. It doesn't see... I feel like a year went by. It's been three days, no. But it's been a few months, but it seems like... Just turned 19. I just turned 19. And that's still just scratching the surface as far as stories on the streets and then

getting to prison. My dad was... He was retired at the time as far as GD. But my daddy was what they called a nine-tray. What does that mean? Well, it's basically the head or the G's. And so by the time I, but he had retired at the time. So by the time I get there, I'm thinking, that's some form of protection.

At some form, he was basically a made man. Like, I'm not going to have to go in with the kind of issues that most people probably worry about. I'm going to kind of go in with Joe T, my daddy. Right. What is the charge that you? Oh, they dropped it down. What I signed for was Which wasn't even a charge

Which wasn't even a real charge They charged me with attempt to commit Robbery Okay Yeah I ended up I got attempt to commit I mean make sure I'm saying I attempt to commit

Special aggravated robbery I got 10 years And then they gave me one year For the escape Okay And I went to trial on the escape I tried to beat them I did

They wouldn't bring the officers in They said they couldn't get in touch with them And this isn't that And yeah I went to trial on it They could have gave me Five years four but when we split the difference she said you know if he do they can give you the now i think

the max because of my range was two years and when she told me that that's why i said let's just go to trial but when they gave me the 10 she said that they'll stack they'll put the one on it and give you at 11 years and 30 percent and then i had already done two years and three months so she was like you could see the board at three years and four months i'm thinking sure cool i don't i got some time all my now go in and get parole and but they made me do the whole 10 so what with the good time though so you ended up doing what seven eight i did the whole ten how i went in in 2007 and got out 2017 oh wow yeah they took the they took the they took the majority of the jail time because i was still on the four years paper they took that and satisfied the the four years

okay the papers you know every state's different yeah you know what I'm saying so it's like i'm always trying to relate it to how it would work in the fed i do the same one but you know then i'll talk to somebody who get we have guys that got like you know 20 years and you're like 20 years they're like yeah 20 years they're like so like three years later I get out through what you know it's like no it's a nonviolent crime right half your time plus 70% good time

and you're like oh my god that's you know some states are I think what states like that shrinker a guy named shrinker got like 20 something years he did like three like the fuck that's insane yeah so

10 years yeah they took that yeah they took my they took my jail time satisfied the probation that I was on for the attempted murder case and then I started fresh and because of the escape charge when I went in as far as when they do custody levels in the state my points were so high so I was only getting six days a month when I first went in I wasn't getting a lot of good time and then it took it took five to seven years for the escape to fall out before I can get to a minimum or it's a minimum or close which means I mean I

I can get 12 days or 16 days a month. I never was able to get that. The guy who pulled the trigger got out of prison before me. What about your dad? So did you, you said you ended up with your dad? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I first got there, they sent me to the worst prison in the state, which was Northwest. I didn't stay there long.

And my dad, well, the prison with my dad was at, the guy who was the warden at the time was an officer at one point of time at the prison with my dad. He never told him, I think him and my dad I think he used to brain my dad and stuff. But when I got into the system, my brother was there too. Me and my dad was the same prison. I'm gonna tell you. So, I guess the warden end up doing him a favor, I guess.

They moved me from Northwest to Turner Center. But I'm on close because my points are high. So I got like two, three months I got to do on close before I get to the compound. While I'm back here waiting to come to the compound, my daddy gets in trouble because they're running tobacco. The pounds of tobacco, all kinds of stuff.

And I'm getting ready to get out. This happened two, three weeks before, I'm getting ready to get out. So they're going to move him to another prison. He comes to the hole while I'm back here because the closest is in the hole, too. And I hadn't seen my daddy in years at the time. So the first time I see my daddy from a distance was going to the hole. So he'd already sent me a cell phone back down, close, and everything. So we used to talk before all that stuff happened.

But so I go to the compound and my brother's there So I get my brother moved to the unit where I'm at My daddy finally gets out of the hole He's in the unit with us When my daddy worked at is how they was getting the tobacco in His supervisor I can't remember what kind of job it was But they were getting packages sent in his name And he didn't know

He was sending his clerks to get his mail and they didn't run his mail so they just run they're going down there and getting it he's not knowing yeah and they were running piles of tobacco so we used to go down there to a supervisor me him and my brother would just be sitting down there chilling and we end up getting into it real bad or one day i wanted to blow some get some things out of my chest and i feel like he was responsible for a lot of things and he would he would say that he would say that he would rather do it for us or get it for us because somebody was going to do it anyway, but we're here, all three of us, like, we're here. So they did end up moving my dad to another prison.

I was established in prison at that point. I probably wasn't even there a year. I already had a girl on somebody list, being a mule, bringing in stuff. I was good. I had a phone, and then I had my brother in the cell with me, and we got the fighting, and it was bad. And it was because I got black tar You're familiar with that I got black tar in the cell

Tobacco White That cell phone I got an MP3 So he's this is this is a powder cake He don't want to be involved at all right Your brother wants to be He's getting ready to go home

Yeah oh yeah he wants to get He only got about six seven months But Yeah he needs to be another cell And he was also still treating me like the baby He was still trying to look board me To an extent And we had my dad at Boombox

When he got shit We still had the radio And he was playing the music real live Through count time And I'm like no And he was like I can listen to the radio I'm like well if they come here

And you're taking all these charges You take them to charge For everything If they come in and find something He was like I ain't taking no charge from you I'm like bro I got seven eight years left I'm going to turn down the radio during county

You're telling me no And then saying you're going to go home In six months like now And he plugged the radio back up And before you knew I kind of blacked out. And the police, they caught us fighting, and they separated. I hit him on the bottom of the hill, and I was on top of the hill.

I didn't see him the rest of my sentence. I didn't even check on them. I think I was preparing my mental to do it without him there. And, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I moved in the cell with my guy, which he used to go to visit and bring stuff back too. And that ran for about, you know, year or two, I was GD at the time.

I ended up getting out of GD, which was a blessing they wanted to do. They wanted to kill me, too. And that happened. I ended up getting out of GD because this had, I'm going to, we got time? Yeah, we got plenty of time. Yeah, we're not. Okay. You good.

So, the Gs, this is what happened. I had lost my phone. It was a girl coming to see me. And it was another guy who was talking to her on the street. and found out she was talking to me. So he called the prison and told him I had the phone. I'm thinking she's on the way to see me, but they was tricking me to have me on the phone

to when the police come in and catch me. So I'm sitting in the cell talking to her, the police run in, boom, they get the phone. I ain't the phone anymore. It's a new dude come in, T. Roy from Knoxville. I introduce him, because a lot of times when people first time in Penn Tim, just like me, when they see a cell phone and blow their mind.

So me and him got cool We've been working out together And I pulled him in the cell one day I was like man you won't use the phone Penitentiary rules I showed him the phone And he was like He was like

He was like do it work I'm like yeah here take it He didn't want to touch it I'm like here to take it You call I wouldn't know Nah bro I got enough

So he ended up Kyle Making a long story short I end up telling him That the phones were I think I told him they were 500 When really I told him there was a thousand

When really it was 500 So I tell him I put five, you put five, we'll go get a phone, we'll split it, we'll go every other night when really he paid for the whole phone. Right. So when he paid for the phone, we're going every other night, it's cool. But I ended up getting into it with the girl that I was going to, and that's the worst time you could do when you're, it's just like going through a breakup

while you're at work when you get into it, what you get. Your mind just go crazy. So I ended up not giving him the phone two or three nights in a row. And by this time, he what they call a friend to the folks. He's going to tell the folks like, me and Joe T. did some business and he ain't covering his end of the bargain. He ain't, he ain't GD business, so I don't even have to admit to that. I can say, I don't know what he's talking about, and that's exactly how it went.

So by the time I tell them that they run it up to some higher-ups, the number one is coming to talk to me. I'm like, how did it even get to him? Like, that shouldn't even happen. And he told him I had 72 hours to get a phone back. When he do that, I said, okay, I'll tell you what. My celly at the time We were doing a green dot

And you call the numbers And check them and all that those though So I tell him I said This is what we're going to do I said I'm going to get that money I'm going to get the security At the time of GD I said I'm going to get him to come up here

I said I'm going to put the phone on speaker I'm going to use their phone You're going to take because they They're trying to take the phone from me So I got Marceli somewhere else with the phone But where he had He can see our cell though I tell him when you see that door pop open

You call and you pull them numbers off because what I'm going to do is I'm going to get the security to check the numbers and when he played on the speaker and heard that the numbers is on there, I'm going to pop the door, you take the numbers off. I'm going to leave out with them. They're going to be able to say I took it because my alibi is going to be, I was with you. How did I take them? You checked them. It was cool. Just so happened when I popped the door, he pulled the numbers off. I get the money back. They call wreck on the small yard. So when they call wreck, the Gs don't go out by sell. I go out with the G's. I ain't touched no phone. I've been with them. I got

alibi. I'm cool. By the time we come back in, all the Gs who didn't go outside is standing by my door. And they call on my name. And the security, big guy. They were like, Joe T, come up here. And I ain't like how he was talking to him. I'm like, what's up? We're going to sell me and him. We get into a real tough day. They were like, man, you got them. I was like, how did I get the money? And the other Gs who was outside with me and saying, ain't no way Joe T took the money. He was outside with us the whole time. Like, soon as that. happened he was like i'm telling y'all joe he couldn't prove it i said you're taking the word of opposition over me there's no way for you to prove i said i ain't got the money one of my old

sellers come in the cell he's he jd he said man y'all step out of the cell let me talk to him and we get to talking i'm talking him he talking about we conversing we having the conversation he said joe you got that money he said i know you he said i've been in the cell with you he said you you slick. He said, I'm going to talk to him. He said, just give them the money back. Ain't nothing going to happen. I said, I ain't got that money.

He said, I do you try and get me to say it. He said, Joe T, you got the money. He said, I'm telling you, I ain't going to let them do nothing until you. Just giving the money back. I said, you're going to let them do nothing. He said, I told you, you got it. I said, what's up? So I end up getting the money back, and I got in trouble.

I got what they call a six-minute, no cover. They charged me with what they call it disrupting the organization and unity, which is really they can, they can sing you the PC for it and strip you, period. I could have got smashed, what they smashed out. So I end up getting a write-up. They get me a six-minute no-cover. I got to fight three people at one time, one person rotating for six minutes straight. I'm in a corner.

This after, Colby's heard me say this, 30 seconds in a fight is exhausting. Exhausting. Right, 15 seconds. I'd say the longest fight I ever saw was two guys fighting for probably a minute or two. Like, it went on forever because they were fighting like, I mean, we're talking about it went, it went like up the stairs on the second tier, like down. Like these guys are fighting down this. And they're stopping and breathing and hit each other.

And it went on for probably a minute. And it was exhausted. I bet. I bet. I bet it felt like they got hit by a bull. No, I can't imagine. And this is one-on-one, by the way. This is just two guys.

Yeah, this is six. This is three people, one person rotating that they call fresh hands, which means if one of them get tired, they rotate the fresh hands in. And so it's one in front of me, one on the left, one on the right, and then, of course, the one out to the side, and then you got the other guy over here who's keeping the time. And when he said time, I'm thinking, because they got a match metal with people who are my size. I'm thinking, I might, I might, I might, I'm psyched myself out, I might and pull it off. and it wasn't probably it wasn't even a minute in and I kept trying to go down

and they kept telling me to stand up and the guy on the left caught me in the temple knocked me over the toilet I'm there but I'm knocked out I can hear what's going on but I'm gone and at this point it's face shots and everything I couldn't even like they were literally holding me up

to finish the six minutes like literally just beating me and after it was after it was over they was all walking out shaking my hands and I didn't shaking my hand and I didn't I didn't do drugs in prison I sold them and my thoughts

at that time was I'm getting I'm getting this stuff late I'm gonna take every one of these people out I'm gonna get them back somehow and they walked out and was shaking my hand and I was like man somebody to call them I'm telling them I'm set I'm ready to go she can pick me up I'm tired of shooting ball

and they was like I don't think bro I was like and I was playing and I rose out and I was like now I'm just playing and I remember thing I'm like, and I'm eating noodles that night, and my face was leaning. I couldn't feel it. And my cellar said, you, he said, you, you good selling? I said, yeah, I'm straight.

Why was up? He said, you're face? He said, look in the mirror. And I was literally hanging, and I couldn't feel it. And I went. Did you have a stroke? I had a pinch nerve, was what they told me. Okay. Yeah, and they gave me a shot in my butt, and it, instantly. I had a pensionary. Yeah.

Whoa. But that was the beginning of me wanting to walk away from GD. And it wasn't just that I started disagreeing with GD in the nation. I'm a grown man. I just couldn't really understand and grasp that somebody else had my life and they had power with me and could tell me what to do. I ain't never been. I've always been the one that said, and I didn't even saying that's cool. But I just didn't feel that I could be in my room studying because I did start taking.

in business management a correspondent class at one point I can be in my room studying they can knock on the door and say G, B, the reason

and I can't say I'm studying I have to go and tend to whatever it is and it might be somebody that owed a box

of honeybonds and I'm gonna be in there like we're in here having a conversation about a dollar of 50 like what are we doing? I almost got in trouble one time

before they got this thing called the box and they asked me to hold it because the person that was holding that time smoked cigarettes and he was doing a bunch of stuff he hadn't

been doing. And I told him, if I hold it, I'm probably going to eat something here and there. And I ate something here and there. And they ended up wanting to have a feast. And the things that I was eating here and there, they asked me where they told them. I said, I told them I were going to eat some honeybund. They wanted to put me in violation for about four or five boxes of a honey bun.

And I told them, which I broke up the money, but I told them, I said, I've seen $125,000 when I was 16, 17 years old. Y'all think y'all to beat me up for $10 worth of a hundred buns. It just ain't going to happen. That ain't, that ain't what we doing but it was just a lot of things that i just started disagreeing with man i ain't like how they treated some people out i hate the shower security and um it was a guy it was a little brother name from memphis named looney and um he was talking about what they called plugging out you can get

off count and you can plug out off count you just not a part of the structure but you still gd when you plug out you're done and somebody gave him the wrong information he ended up plugging out And when he plugged out, he went and tried to, he went and got a knife from a Crip. And the Crip, divide and conquer, penitentiary rules, told the G's, hey, I know what's going on alone. He just came and bought a knife from us, and the G's took it as he buried arms against GD in the name of protecting itself. And at the time, I was the security, the car was supposed to go through me. And they went over me because they felt like I was going to be biased to the call. and they ended up paying three Aaron nations to jump him

in the middle of the pot and he ended up beating all three of the white boys up right in front of everybody and after he beat him up and then he started disrespecting GD and like ain't nobody and he said a whole bunch of stuff and then day after that

they ended up going in the cell and stabbing him and they all went to the hole and he signed he signed a paper saying that he signed a waiver saying he was cool coming back to the compound And I still had the position.

Strong man. What do they call it, a strong man? Yeah. Something like that. So as I'm sitting in my cell, he comes out of the hole after he done what they're saying, bearing arms against the folks. And they tell me they were like, Looney, back on the compound, what we want to do. I said, call a meeting.

So I'm from a college meeting, and I'm going to explain everybody what happened and how it happened. And I'm like, dude, ain't a threat to us, but I'm knowing that I'm just going to try. and as I'm explaining it the person who's responsible for who's over well he's the number two he ain't the one he started line and that really sent me over the head I'm like this is the number two I was there I heard the conversation it's no way I'm like dude my life can hang in your hand and I'm I'm listening like you and I started pointing my finger in his face and they grabbed me his security grabbed me and told him I couldn't do that and I was being disrespectful and I end up getting the write-up, but I had done so many favors for a lot of the Gs that we basically

said that they gave me a violation, but they really didn't. And I was tired after that, and then something, and I had wrote my paperwork up because my dad was at Northeast now. My brother, I went home. My dad is fin of giving me moved. We already done, I already done signing the paperwork. I just don't know how long it's going to take for me to get on the bus to go. And he was telling me, wait until you get here before you do that.

But I was like, man, I'm feeling I trust God in this. Like, I'm tired. And they came in the cell when they're talking. And it was literally like Charlie Brown, want, want, want, want, want. And I took the paper out of my pocket and I handed it to them. They opened it. They read it, passed it each other. And they were like, you should is what you want to do?

I said, I'm done. I said, I'm a man before anything. I said, whatever got to happen. I'm just going to have to happen, man. I'm done. It's over. And I knew at the time, I knew who was the one. I knew who was the three.

The three is the six. which all calls got to go through him as far as aggressive stuff and uh I got on somebody phone I called him I told him meet me at the library I needed to talk to him because they got to when they get the paperwork that's the thing they call you got to run it up the chain you got to run through everybody and so I called him told him meet me at the library and I went down there and I told him what I done and I was like bro I'm done I was like I want to hear from you though I said I need to hear from you that I'm gonna be okay if not tell me now I ain't finished being my pride, and I'll just go to PC. I ain't even tripping. I'll go. When they

transfer me, we'll try to figure it out. But I ain't, I want to hear from you. I haven't let them stab me and jump on me in. I got a child. I got to get to. I'll be a fool to and say, I'm not going to do that. So he was like, man, you're straight. I said, I'm straight. He said, I give my words, Yotee. He said, you good. He said, if that's what you want to do, he said, you can do it. You good. I said, that was up. I left with hands. I walked out. A day or two went by. I seen the number one, standing in the window. They came and told me. They said, he said, you're free. You're going to walk away. I said, I'm done. He said, yeah, you, you're good. I went outside. I seen him in the window, and we got a little

thing. I mean, are you straight? Are you good? And I did him like this. I was like, what's up? And he did it back. And I did it again. I said, I'm, and he was like you. And I was like, am I? And he was like, you? I said, what's up? And I walked back to myself and made sure I made a public statement to the whole unit by walking to the shower in my shower shoes. I didn't walk in my shoes. And when I walked out, the Crips vice lords, everybody was kind of looking like, and he ain't walking with no security. They were like, what's going on?

And I was out. And I was done. And two, three weeks after that, I got shipped to the prison where my daddy was at where I got engaged to a correction officer, an Indian. Yeah. So I get to this prison, man. I get to the prison and they send me to the top of the hill

and my dad is on the lower end and they put him in his head with a pump. Okay. But he was one of them, he wasn't flamboyant, but everybody knew. Right.

But he could be flamboyant. And he was a hustler too. I just rode on this bus for 10 hours from turning to end of the northeast. I can buck this and go to the hole. Put myself as a situation.

I'm tired or I can get in this bunk. I just say, or I can go take it. I did go to sleep and my daddy go to take care everything in the morning, hopefully. So I get there and I see some people that know me from Juvie and of the prison. And they said, they asked me, what's there you going to? And I told him, they was like, I'll sit your stuff outside of all. They didn't even go in there at Jotty.

I was like, why not? They were like, man, one of them. And by that time, the boy pops out from wherever he walks over. He was like, you might sell it, and his hand was loose. And I said, don't do that. And he popped it. He was like, this is my cell. You know what I'm saying?

And I was like, man, y'all, let me hollet my cell in my cell. So I just pulled him in a cell. I just said, I'm kind of matured into the center. I ain't, I ain't going to push it on you. And I'm not going to do it out. We're getting to say, I was like, look, check this out. So I just came to Turner Center and rolled. I said, I ain't going to unpack my stuff.

I said, my dad are going to give me moved to the bottom of the hill. First thing in the morning. I said, we're good, we're good. He was like, you're good. I said, just don't do that right there, though. And then he was like, who your daddy? And I was like, Joe Tee, my daddy. He said, Joe Tee, your daddy?

I said, wait a minute. I'm begging you to stop. I said, hold on, man. Hold on. He was like, no, that's my guy. He was like, man, you need to use the phone. He was like, that's where I buy my tobacco from here and my suboxone. He was like, man, you need to call.

You need to talk to him. I was like, yeah, I need a hollet and let him know I'm here. You know what I'm saying? He was like, bet. He closed the door, pulled the curtain, pulled the phone out of him. Right there in the cell. Watched it off. Pulled it out.

Pulled it out. He was like, you good? I was like, yeah, I'm straight. He called my daddy. He had my daddy number. We called him. And he was like, what you doing? I said, if you don't get me down there in the morning, I'm going to probably be in the hole.

He was like, nah, he ain't going to be in the hole. I said, hey, what I tell you, man. He was like, who he in the cell with? I said, who is saying like? He was like, man, he's straight. He's straight. He said, man, I'm going to get you down. I said, man, listen.

I don't need to be in his cell in the morning He was like, he's good, Joe T, he good Don't make sure he's straight I don't need nothing from you He doesn't, he understands Yeah, yeah, you can't But when I got out the far angle lot Like he was cool

Like he wasn't he wasn't he I ain't nothing free in the penitentiary To him it was I'm gonna do Jotilla silent When I try to buy some tobacco next time I made sure your son was straight Man hey I ain't got it right now

Your son I made shit That's just how to prison go. But he ended up getting me moved down in the morning. I got down there. And when I walked in that cell, I still can't explain. Because we weren't cellies at Turner Center. He was in the cell. It's a corner.

I'm in this cell. He in this cell. So we want to sell. I go over there. He'd come over here. You know, we'll cook. But I'm actually in the cell with my daddy. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And I'm five, six years in. This is the person who recommended. did me to become GD. I don't took a six minute no cover and been beat up. I don't been through hell and back with a lot of these Gs. This is the same person they gave me my plug. This is the same person I feel like wasn't in my life.

There's so many emotions going on, but at the same time, it's bittersweet. I'm also like, man, I get a chance to kick it with my daddy, which is crazy to explain. I got all these mixed emotions. By going there, he hugged me. You know what I'm saying? We kicked.

I think we watched the basketball at game at night. Cook the meal. summer sausages, penitentiary meal, all this stuff going on. Like, we was just having a good old time and said it was crazy. And I remember, man, one of my first pivoting moments was, well, I'm here like two months and I started working in the wood plan, and they pay you minimum wage. You make the money, you're making too much money, you have to pay rent in the penitentiary. Right.

Yeah. So after about two months, this Indian girl started working at the prison. And before they put her in a permanent unit, she was working on the yard where you have to go through the gate to go to work or wherever you're going. So one more, they're getting ready to make the call out. And you could tell there's a new officer woman here because everybody's outside waiting for the call out versus being in. And I remember my dad is saying, what's going on out there? And it was a guy named Hot Rod. He might have had three life sentences.

Hot Rod had a whole lot of time. But he comes to the cell and he was like, little Joe, come outside. with me. He was like, no, don't take my son out there. He was like, what's going on? I'm like, nah, don't be trying to be a dad. And now, you ain't ever trying to feel. Don't tell me I can't go outside. What did you talk about? So, Hot Rod was like, he was like, man, the new girl out there. He was like, man, I want you to see her. I'm like, bet. So I put my shoes on, my penitence refresh. I go, I go out there. And everybody trying to get attention. And in my head, I'm thinking, don't do that. You got to do something

different from it. So I kind of stand back in the crowd. I see her. By the time I catch her, I contact, I walk off. Like, I ain't paying no attention. And about two weeks, she ended up. I told my daddy that same day when I went in and said, he said, what is it? I said, it's a little ending. She's nice, too. He was like, oh, yeah. I said, I'm going to get her.

He said, man, you're going to get her. I said, watch what I see? Two weeks drove her. She would come in our unit. And I hear her when she walk in and I got up and I looked out of the window. My dad said, who is it? I said, it's a girl. My daddy got up and looked.

I said, I'm going to get her. He said, man, you ain't going to get her. I said, watch a see. I'm going to see. I'm going to see. two three weeks I've been talking to her here and there well let me say this first

I get out from work this had a conversation start two three weeks I don't say nothing to her when she's first at all I don't go talk to her I don't look at her nothing when she come around walk to talk about I go in and say yo I get out work one day

and I'm going to get some ice and as I'm walking to get the ice she was like hey hey you and I just kind of looked at her and she was like yeah you she was like wait you don't never come out you don't never come talk to me, you don't, I said, there ain't nothing, ain't nothing about, I said, ain't nothing worth coming out here looking at. And I kept walking. And as I go and get

the ice, I walk him back. And now she's, she doesn't get out of the chair and she's standing like in front of the cage. And she was like, what you mean? I said, man, ain't nothing out here worth looking at. And I kept walking. I go in, I take the ice and I come out and I stand on the sidewalk. And she's looking at the paperwork. I'm guessing she trying to either see my name or see what I'm in sale with. and she kept looking up at me she was like and I come down

and she was like who's your silly and I was like y'all got the same name I was like that's my daddy and she was like really how she she

in her eyes at this point I'm a you don't become very manipulative on top of already learning how to be manipulative. The look at her eye was, she was intrigued.

It wasn't, it was something different other than you didn't say with your daddy. So she started asking questions. So then we started talking two, three weeks. I go to the shower. She comes and stand by the shower, watching me, look at me up and down, all this old type of stuff. I would put the muslim oil

on smelling good. She asked me where I get the muslim oil. I'm cooking stuff. She asked me about the meals. I'm explaining stuff. You can tell she intrigued about all of this stuff. Then she started asking about my daddy. She's like, your dad never speaks to me. Like, he'll, he'll look. And I was like, yeah, he's convict. Dad had been locked up 30 some years. 30 years? Like how? She was asking how old I was. How old was you? And she was just, and so one day I walked up to her,

my daddy don't know this. We got a cell phone, but we don't keep it in the cell. We never keep it in the cell. I write the number now, and I go downstairs and I tell them. I say, look, what I'm about to say, you just let it go in one ear and after other if you don't like what I say. She was like, okay, what is it? I said, what if it was a way we can talk outside of here? She was like, what you mean?

I said, you know exactly what I mean. I said, remember what I said the first? I said, if you catch what I'm saying and you don't like it, let's just act like we never had this conversation. She was like, uh-huh. And she was just kind of looking like she wanted to answer, but she wasn't sure if I was trying to set her up.

I said, don't say nothing. I said, in the staff bathroom, because that's where our toilet paper was that we can go in there and get toilet paper. I said I went in there to get toilet paper. I said I taped a piece of paper under the sink in the staff bathroom. I said, I'm going to walk off.

I said, I ain't going to talk to you the rest of the day. I said, you go in there, you get that piece of tape. I said, you can hit me blocked. And she was like, and I walked off. So I go in and sell. I said, hey, I said, I got a call. I said I had to call my daughter, his granddaughter. I said, I got to call Samari tonight.

I got the kiss. I said, so I'm going to keep the phone in the cell. He said, and that if I said, And if they come in here and get their phone, you know you're going to take their charge. I said, you got two licenses. I ain't taking no charges. You're taking all the charges.

So he was like, you're like, you sure? I said, yeah, I said, we're going to keep the phone. And I said, he said, we ain't going to do that anymore. I said, all, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. So we keep the phone. They're doing lockdown. She closed the door. She closed the door.

And he was like, you sure? I said, I said, yeah, I'm good. She comes to the door, opens our door. and do me like this and winks and close the door as soon as she closed the door my daddy stands straight up what the hell is that

I don't know I think she liked me he said boy don't you have them police brother I said man we're good and he said all right I still didn't tell him why I'm keeping the phone I wait till she leave

I'm looking at the back window she kind of waves as she leave her It don't air all the inmates on the back window to wave, so you don't know who she waving it. But to me, she waving me. I know she got the number. So she gets to the parking lot.

And I'm thinking, she getting out. I'm waiting this about 30 minutes. I said, hey, dad, I said, I don't tease him. He said, what's up? I said, look, man, I gave her the number. He said, do what? He's stand up again. He said, what did you say?

I said I gave her the number She gonna call me block I said I told you I was gonna get her He said go on Go on pack your stuff up boo Go on get your stuff Go on Go on pack your stuff up

I said for what He said if they call their phone It won't be to talk to you It'll be to verify that that phone is in here And when they verify as in here They're going to come in here They're going to get it And you're going to say it's yours

And you're going to go to the hole When you get out I get you back down here But you're going to the hole tonight I said, I don't believe that. He said, all right, why see what I tell you? I said, I told us I was going to give him. So we're sitting there.

He was like, she didn't call yet? I said, no. By that time, I got the phone under the pillow where I can see it, it light up. It's blocked. He see it because of the crack of his bed. He see the light. He stands up. Go answer.

He said, that's the green team. He said, I promise you, soon as you say, hello, they're going to run in there. I said, I don't know. He said, well, go on the answer then? I don't answer it. She called back again for about five minutes. Blop. I asked, hello, my daddy started grabbing my stuff.

I said, hello. She said, hey, big head. I looked at my dad. I said, hey, little head. He said, straight. So we get to talking. My daddy tap on the bed. And I said she'll bring her something in her.

I said, hold on. I said, I thought you said the police was going to come here. He said, whatever you need me to do, just let me know. Now you, now you won't end because you see how I don't pull it off. But we started talking, it probably wasn't two, three weeks, man. She started asking about penitentiary money. So I'm telling her you buy a pound of tobacco on town, $25, $30 in here. It's $8,000, maybe $1,000.

You bring her, you go buy a phone. $50, you bring it in here. It's $1,500, $2,000 at Northeast. So when I started telling her stuff, she was like, wow, suboxing strips, you get 100 of them wrapped up. It's going to look like a job around you. They were selling them for $150. We was getting $3,400,000 of them at a time.

You can bring that in easy. So when I started telling her that stuff, she wouldn't, at first she didn't, she was like, no, I don't want to do nothing like that. If you need anything, I got you. So I answered, I was like, just one time then. Just one time She's already in trouble

She's already in trouble She's already losing her job She's in trouble She's in trouble So at this point I get her She brought me some green And we get the strips

In the green She don't know the strips In the green though We just had My daddy of girlfriend A rapid It was already in it So she bring it in

And me and my dad This is one of the epiphany moments We're breaking down This green He counting out his boxings And rapping them And I just kind of looked up at him. And I was like, this is, this is crazy. Like, this is like how? Like, what is

going on? And he don't seem to be faded at all. Like, your son who's in prison, then, like, we sitting here and we basically kind of started running the prison through her. Like, we was getting two, three ounces at a time at one point. And we was just, we was just running it. And I get up to use the bathroom one night. My dad was snoring. And I, like, flushed to her. I went to wash my hand. When I flushed the toilet, he kind of turned around. I don't remember looking at it. I was like, I'm really in the cell.

My daddy, like, this is not okay. Like, this is insane. Like, we are just doing way too much at this point. Like, this is, and then it wasn't too long after that. I bought a ring, had his girl. I had a ship to my daddy's girl house. She lived in Virginia, which I ain't far from Northeast. So I had her to meet the Indian girl, give her the ring.

She brings it in, gives it to me. She don't know. I'm feeling proposed. But this is, listen, this is all penitentiary in mind games, though. This is insane. So we had a rock man, you got the rock man who take the trash out. And in Northeast, when you take the trash out, It's a blind spot, because at this point, we got them eyes in the sky,

and they can see a fly moving his antlers on you. So when you go through these doors, when you go through the door, she always locked that main door, and then right in that hall space and them stairs, it's a little, we got a quick window. So we would go, and instead of walking the trash all the way to the trash, I would slain the trash to buy me some time. So she would open the back door, I slain the trash,

whether I make it or not, close the door, I get a little window, we kiss free, whatever, whatever, whatever. We do that a few times. She don't know if I'm going to pop the question. But she started talking about she didn't want to bring it no more. So now I got to speed up answering the question. Because we got to keep this rolling because at this point, we $4,000 a month.

Like, we, it's insane. So we go back there one night. We take the trash out, boom. She goes, she locked the door. She getting ready to open the other door so we can go back out. And I gently grabbed her turned around. And I was on a knee, independent injury. So, look, look.

But when I do it, I had to almost muffle her mouth because she started screaming. Oh, my God! Like, she went crazy. I just, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She was like, I can't believe I can't. I was like, no, no, no, no, you got them. And I'm grabbing her, but I'm freaking at the same time. But I'm like, no, she was like, you are you serious?

And I put the ring on her, and we said it, whatever, when we walked out and it wasn't two, three days. People started nose and like, man, she got a real thing. Like, what's going on? But we kept rocking it for a little minute. And then it was this one last time. I honestly, thanks to this day, I feel like she set us up. I think she did.

I think she was tired and I wasn't pulling the plug. So I had four ounces of green. And she was like, I'm going to bring them out at one time. I was like, oh, I ain't doing that. Like, what you got going on? That's what I'm thinking. Four? You ain't never said you're going to pack it like this, but she was tired.

So she brings it. I have, I switch it up this time because I didn't trust it. And so I had somebody else to move, like how I moved it was completely different. And I sent somebody to go get it. And then I told somebody else behind him to go get that and then move it and go go in this cell, come out of this cell, go out of this cell, go out of this cell. So they can't kind of pinpoint what's going on And how it's going on

So when it happens My dad is at work in the kitchen And we got some boxes and stuff too So it wasn't five, ten minutes Police run in and goes everywhere These people went And then after they did all it Then they came to my cell

When they came to my cell The cell that it was in They walked out, they sit for a minute They talked and they went to the cell It was in and when they went over it I was like oh man this is this about to be ugly this is a but I'm thinking I'm I looked at her and she turned away from me and I was like she wasn't giving me the sign like it was it was the I'm you gone that's how I felt

and I was like did she do that I know she didn't do that like you like you would your job is online if you did that so when they go in and say my daddy comes in from work and when he goes in the cell he's taking his apron he was like what's going on because the cell's still messed up and I'm explaining it to him fast and I was like

they're in tiny the cell it's in tiny cell right now he was like everything I said everything is in there he was like what I said look I said whatever you got left I said I'm about to offer

some of them so boxes to somebody to start a fight in the pod right now he said do whatever you got to do I said all right I walked out of the cell call somebody I knew I said go down there

and you tell him I said to pop a fight off with anybody in the pod right now I'm gonna give him five subboxes He went down there, he told him, next thing, oh, boom, he hit, fight breaks out, she starts yelling, police comes out of the cell where everything is at, close the door and locks it, they got to stop this fight. They run down, take both of them, take them to the hole. When they do that, I look at her, give her to nod, tiny then say, I need to get in my cell.

She yelled at them and say, is the search done? I don't know if they responded or not. She said they said, yeah, I don't know, because they ended up coming back. She ran upstairs, unlocked the door, boom. We moved it everywhere we ended up cool. After that happened, they ended up putting my dad on pending an investigation. They called itself separating us because they were trying, they were really, they knew that she was dealing with me. They were trying to get to me.

I guess they felt like if they separated me and my daddy, I would slip up and they would be able to get me. So they end up putting my daddy in the hole pending an investigation. They come to the cell. They moved her to a different unit. They come to the cell, who was a 14, 2631, my daddy. He was like, that's me what's going on. You're going on P.I. Pack your stuff.

They pack the stuff. I'm thinking he was like, most they can do seven to ten days after there. I file a grievance, whatever. They got to figure if they ain't going to try me with nothing. I said, all right, cool. So he goes to pending investigation. He ain't back at five days. They sent him to a whole other prison.

Shipped him. They don't tell me to the day after. It's like, oh, yeah, your daddy. And I'm like, they crush me. Like, at this point, we, probably been in the cell maybe three, four, five months. We don't gain the bond. We don't kick that got into it because he called itself, commercial break me.

But he called himself trying to take the phone from me one time because his girlfriend called while I was on the phone. He called himself trying to chestize me in front of his girlfriend on the phone. So I told him, put his shoes on. I was going to go on one to him in now. He probably would have gotten me, but I was going to get a piece of him. But so we ended up having them, and he ended up telling me I couldn't. He wasn't going to let me use the phone.

I ended up going to rough up tiny, who was an old man, he was smoking a cigarette. I went and said roughed him up real bad, and he told my daddy, and finally me and my daddy, we was talking, and he turned his back on me, and I grabbed his shoulder, he threw his shoulder, and he started crying. And he was like, you don't love me. I was like, I do love you. He was like, I do love you. I was like, I think sometimes you don't really understand the magnitude of your absence. when my mama went through, what me and my brother went through, I don't even think you realized you gave me and my brother two separate plugs.

You the one told me, I recommend you DGD for the experience. Was his exact words when I asked him, just should I do it? He said, I recommend it for the experience. So I'm telling him all these things, but at the same time, letting him know, I love you because the majority of that I chose that life, too, I kind of wanted it. So we kind of both broke down and he said some things that I didn't, I ain't never heard them say.

I got out, and ever since then, we're like this, like, that's my guy. And, but they end up shipping him, and, man, it didn't sink in to probably, like, two or three days after he was gone, because I'm thinking, hey, and I remember waking up one morning, and I just broke down crying. And I was like, and he took my dad, then. Like, he's gone. Like, that's crazy. And I know it, I know it ain't coming back.

And I know it's no chance that we probably end up, he's going to be able to get me moved to the prison. Again, I'm pretty sure it's in black and white now. They moved you the first time because of tobacco Now they're moving you this time They moved you from Morgan County To Turner Center for You got the same thing

Track record every time you got moved So this time nine time ten No they It's just not going to happen And um I had got Some green Through somebody else one time

Somebody got stabbed in the pot A Mexican ended up stabbing Somebody that owed him A guy comes to my cell and says, Jotty, you might want a secure thing. Somebody just got stabbed. They're proud about to come in here. I was like, all right, cool.

I ain't moving with a sense of urgency because I'm thinking they're going to come in and attend to the person who got stabbed. But my name was so hot and ringing. This guy had got stabbed. They ran in and came to myself. They coming up the step, the stab happened downstairs. So when they're saying up top, I'm like, what up top or what like it ain't even so by the time i look out of the window and see

garcia coming we see you i said somebody down there got stabbed bro you you're going to come over it and so i i think you stabbed him no he just just used the opportunity he just used the opportunity he just used the opportunity so at this point i'm scrambling because i didn't secure everything i don't got the phone in the cell but i had what they call thimbles a weed so i'm taking the thimbles a And I'm trying to push him in my lotion. I get a few of them down, but a few fall. And I end up just putting them, throwing like two or three in my pocket. And he come in, he opened the door.

He said, what's up, little Joe? I said, what's up, Garcia, what's going on? He said, I ain't doing nothing. They said something going on down here. I got medical coming down here. I figure I come over and check on you. I said, somebody got stabbed, and you coming to check on me? He was like, yeah, where you got going?

He was like, let me patch it down. I was like, all, cool. So when he come in and said, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about my wood-plan job, I'm thinking about the write-up, and I'm getting ready to go up for parole. I'm getting ready to go up for parole in like three, four weeks. I'm like,

so he was like, let me pat you down. And I tried to, I reached in my pocket and went for the toilet. He grabbed my hand. He said, if you move after this, that's an assault on officer. He said, whatever that is. He said, if it's brown, he said, I'll flush it. He said, if there's anything else, I can't promise you that. I said, I said, it's brown.

I said, well, if it's brown, let me see it. I'll flush it. He said, I'm flushing myself. I said, man, come on, man. He said, if you move, he said, give it here. I said, man. And it was two, three. He said, I thought you said it was brown little Joe.

Dang, finally got you. I said, he said, you notice your job, right up. He said, is you the wood plant? I said, man, I don't care nothing about that wood plan job, man. I'm good. you probably'll save plenty of money and you know how I know you he hinting to her and I was like whatever he leave they write me up my cell at the time told me he'll take the charge we was going to try to fight it at the d board by saying I had put on his basketball shorts and he was going to say that

it was in there they went by for it so no I go to the d board they got arbis in there when I walk in the d board i'm at the wood plant scraping wood they call me they need you at the d board which is the hen for to go sent us for the write-up or see what i'm going to take i go in the d-board it's arbids in there chicken strips fries drink sit down boom he slatted across the table he said hey go ahead i just said arbor i said now i want that i was like what's going on and this is exactly what he told me he said listen About that write-up you got. We can't let you take that.

We can't let you take that right-up. I said, well, just throw it out then. He said, that ain't had going to work, though. He said, the warden told me to give you whatever you ask. But you know what we want. I said, what do you want? He said, come on now. He said, do you love her?

I started eating that arvice right now. Listen, I ate the arvice. I don't get me wrong. I ate the armin. He said, do you love her? He said, do you love her? He said, you do know if I decide to send you to another prison, she'll be talking to somebody else about tomorrow.

She don't care nothing about you. I said, you're sitting up here trying to get me to give you somebody that's the police. He said, she ain't the police. She's an inmate. And I'm going to treat her like one when I catch her. He said, you know what a red line is? I said, no. He said, I'm going to tell you what a red line is.

That's when a government official is working with the enemy. He said, you can get my license plate number and find out where I live, find out where my other coworkers live. You can find out what a kitchen workers work at if you want it to. He said, people like her are dangerous to people like me because we have to come in here and do our job. She can give you information to find out what we live and you can get things done on the street.

So when I catch her, I'm a red liner and make sure she never, gets the word for the government again. I said, you just said, I'm telling you she one of y'all. He said, I'm going to get her. He said, what if I, now, this was after. Now, he asked me if I wanted to go to the honor pod. He was like, you want to go to the honor pod?

I said, I'm going to honor pot. What did you tell you talking? He said, you want to keep your job, don't you? I said, I tell you what. I grabbed at this, I started eating. I said, I took a bite of one. He said, let me sign this right up. He was like, he snatched it from me.

He said, I can't let you sign that right up. I said, why? I said, I'm guilty. It's mine. He said, I can't let you do that. Wouldn't let me sign a write-up. I literally had to leave. I left, went back to work, but he kept me in there long enough,

which is another tactic they used to make you look like you to police. So when I- She thinks she says something, or at least everybody. Inmates. Yeah. Because they got her in another unit. So I go in, I go back to work. Does she know you were grabbed?

Mm-mm. Not yet. I go in back to work. People are already asking me like, dang, what happened? I'm like, I don't know. While I'm at work, going back to work, they go and search my cell, tear it up. So now the union is saying, Joe T just went to the D board. Now they up here, but they didn't just search myself.

They search two, three other cells. But they search myself to make it look like because that's how it may stink. Joe T was just at the D board. He was up at 30 minutes. They go in and search two other people's cell, and then they search his cell making it look like. You gave them up. And they're only searching your cell to try and give you some. wiggle room.

But really, you gave them the other cells. That's what they're trying to make it. Look like. And then they put you back in the unit. And then they put me back in the unit. Exactly. So I come from work.

I go in and everybody, man, J.T., what's going on? What's going on? And now I'm playing mental chess. I'm trying to figure out what's what. Because there's a lot of people who want the girl. My dad is gone. I don't have that protection.

The people who want the girl going to play the game to go along with, he is the police so they can remove me. They don't care by any means and that's there so they can try to get close to it. So I don't know what's what at this point. I go to work again. They do the same thing.

This time they call me back to the unit and search while I'm right there. Ask me a bunch of questions. I'm not, man, I'm not talking to y'all. Brain me the right up. Let me sign the write-up. They wouldn't let me sign it. We got this thing called inspection.

And sometimes during the inspection depending on if the warden on the top of the hill or the bottom hill, the warden will come through the unit. So when they call inspection this morning, the warden is coming through. And I said to myself, I'm going to, I have to yell it out to the warden because the green team got to walk with the warden and there was a woman as security. So they come through and they do inspection. They only do the bottom tier.

They didn't come and do the top. I said, oh, they're trying to keep her from coming. That's what I'm thinking. So when they get in, I yell out in front of everybody. Because for first people I need to make sure I'm safe by it is the inmates. I said, hey, Ward. I said, Officer Garcia and Officer Boon-Woon on the Green Team, I got a write-up.

I've been trying to sign for the write-up. They will not let me sign the write-up. I ain't knowing that the warden is really in on this. They touched the warden, and the warden just kept walking like, she didn't even hear me. After they cleared out, everybody came up, and I was like, now y'all see. Like, what type of, like, what they got going on. So the G's was kind of willing to cover me at that point, So they could clearly see that I was trying to sign, they wouldn't let me sign it.

The union manager calls me down and was like, they just called you, they want you to come down to operation. That's dangerous in the penitentiary. To go, they want me to come where? They want you to come down. I said, I can't do that. He said, it's the warden. The warden is asking you to come to operation. Can you bring somebody with you?

No. Because when guys would go to the warden office, they'd be like, I got to bring somebody with me. They wouldn't let me. I didn't even ask, though. I didn't even ask. So I go and I'm walking I tell the inmates I call one of the crypts I call one of the G's I call the vice lord

I call one of the Aaron Nation I call I always call one of them and like look I don't know what's going on they just call me down you know and I go down there the warden in there and the main guy on the green team is in there and so I sit down and I'm like she pulled out a notepad

I said what's going on she said you tell me I said I ain't I ain't sure why I'm down here She said, are you involved with one of my officers? I said, no, ma'am. She said, are you telling me true? I said, yes, ma'am.

I'm looking at the guy, the green team guy, and I'm like, this is really my opportunity. I got to flip him. And I said, your officers, for one, put me in danger at your institution. They're trying to make it look like I'm the police. She's like, how they're doing that? I said, they constantly keep searching myself. I said, I've been trying to sign guilty for that write-up.

She said, you ain't signing guilty. And now I was like, oh, then I said, I said, well, your officers have been trying to give me a phone. And then the green tune, he said, wait, hold on. He said, what? I said, you, you tried to give me a cell phone and told me to call that girl, you was going to give me a phone, and I can keep the phone, and this is that. She said, you offered him.

He said, I never offered this piece. She said, now, wait a minute, but it started getting heated. He stood up over me. he was like no he's lying and this and then she said when what was he going to do with the phone I was like I don't know what he wanted me to do with the phone and she was like uh do you want to stay here I said it's not safe for me to say here she said where you want to go I said I'm my name good anywhere I can go to any I can go to any state in the penitentiary I said I need to be I need to be shook she said you ain't got nothing going on one of my officers I said no

she said okay she got up she walked out the green tech officer got in my face he He said, don't you ever play with me like that again? And don't you ever play with me? What you mean? I left out, walked, and I told all the members again. And then they called me to the clinic. They call me down to the clinic. And I'm like, what is, what is going on?

So I go down to the clinic. I don't take meds. I don't have no health issues. I don't, I ain't put in no sick call, nothing. Everybody knows this. So I go down there and when I walk in, the nurse know who I am she telling me go down there

go through that door and go I go in a little room the whole entire green team is in the room surrounded by a table I tap on the door they open it and call me in the room

I look around and see if there's any inmates who work in the clinic because I'm like this is dangerous I walk in the room and I'm like what is going on

they pull a lot of cell phone if you will just dial that number that's exactly what you told them exactly they said if you will just put the number in this phone I take it to the warden and I get you moved they said I don't know what you're talking about he asked me he said

does your dad want to come back up here I said no he said do you want to go down there with your dad I have you on the bus in the morning going in the cell with your dad as soon as you get out the bus in the month I said how man I said, how many people you're going to have these kind of conversation with? You're too comfortable. Like, this don't happen in Pennsylvania.

I say, how many people? He said, you'd be surprised. And you'd be surprised how many of these conversations. I said, well, that ain't, that ain't what's going on with me. He said, I make another offer. He said, I get your daddy back up here. Y'all can say, as much tobacco as you want. I said, how this is going to happen?

He said, I'm just letting you know we want her. I said, I ain't. He said, I'm going to see you tonight. I walked out. got back to the unit called the heads in my cell and told them because they told me before I left he said I see you tonight he was saying they were going to come in and pull the same move we're going to search two cells and we're going to come to your cell he fina try to really get me to use his phone I go back and I tell the gang members that

they say so you telling me the police told you they coming in here tonight they search and they tried to give you a phone Is that what you? And I'm like, look, and it was one crib dude. He was like, man, I'm telling y'all, man, I said, don't even play with me like that. I said, if I, if that would, why would I sit in here and tell y'all to secure what's going on to try to get in front of it? I said, see, it's dudes like you who think you slick. You think you two steps ahead.

But really, what you're trying to do is plant these seeds in everybody ahead to believe because you want to get close to the girl. And now all those in this room ain't fin to sit like that and act like that ain't what's going on because that's exactly what's going on. When y'all see, I'm trying to be straight with y'all. And then they was like, yeah, just leave that alone or whatever. They secured everything. Police came in and, like, two cell came to my cell, said all my stuff outside the door, told me to step, got my cell to squatting coffee, I hear him.

They called me in the cell. They said, you ain't got to, just make the noise. I said, this is crazy? Like, is this really happening? Like, is this even prison anymore? Like, what's going on? They walked me down to operations, which I should have went straight to the hole. knowing inmates is looking at their back window.

Yeah, yeah. I go straight. I'm like, what are we going? We're supposed to turn and go to the hole. They take me straight to operation. Green team sitting on the left. One sitting on the right. One standing in front of me.

He reached down in his fanny pack and pulled that phone out and gave me the phone. I said that phone probably ain't even on. I'm going to play my game too. I said, he said, it's on. He flipped it on and turned it on. I said, man, let me see that. I grabbed the phone. He said, you ain't got a do number.

Dial that number. and punch it. He said, I'm gonna hang you down at what you did in the morning. I said, I don't know the number you tell him out. He pulled out a paper with a list of numbers. Do you see the number? Do you recognize the number? I said, I don't know what you're talking about.

I got the phone in my hand. I started dialing. I started hitting numbers. I said, do this really work? He was like, yeah, it worked. Try it. I text my sister. Boom.

She takes me back. They ain't saying. I said, man. That's crazy. I said, I'm going to text her back. I text my homeboy, girl, who was connected to the officer. I text her. She texts back.

Okay. The phone is on. I sit right there and chill with him for a minute. When I first got there, it was an officer who worked in a unit that brought me some, he brought me some Muslim oil in a Mountain Dew. He sealed it back up. And I was selling oil, but I was eventually going to try to get him. But they moved him to work.

to work in the front where they come through the metal detectors so when they moved them down there we were thinking if we get an officer we'll get him to just let them come through

or whatever I had his number and I had one of the school teachers numbers too that was connected to somebody else that was trying to listen how many people's numbers you got

I had the school teacher number because when they got the phone it was a vice lord dude who was trying to because where she was at she had access to her he was trying to get them to be friends

and he thought he was going to be able to get to her through her by letting it be known I know what you've been doing when really it ended up circling back around to me when him trying to get them cool

I ended up finessing her and tell her I need you to give me that number because that's the only way I'm going to be able to protect you right so long as I got her number if he play anything

I'm going to play with him so I had her number that other I was in the question the girl. So I'm sitting in here and I'm going to text two people. I'm knowing I've been down here at least 30 minutes. I'm knowing you wrote that in the log book. If I get on their phone and I have my sister, it's what I'm thinking. If I have my sister and that girl to be able to verify this number text me, it was my brother and it was my homeboy at this time and I can get them to call the commission. I can prove y'all let me use his phone. So I tell

him, I said, I'll tell you, I'll tell you who number I do that. And he was like who. And I punched the number in, he pulled up the paywork, and he said, the school teacher, the other guy, the guy that brought me the oil. Okay. He was like, he went completely little. He said, oh, y'all had a whole operation. So he was down there letting everybody come through with everything. I said, that's the only number I got.

He said, well, that ain't the number I want. I said, man, it's crazy. Like, I was like, I'm telling it, I don't have that girl's number. He said, well, who number do you have? I was going to bring up the schoolteacher. I was sitting there and I thought for a minute, I said her name, but I didn't say, I said, what if I got, he was like, oh, we, we on her. Then I was like, dang.

I was like, well, wait a minute. So by that time, I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, now it's time to play my car. I've been down long enough. It's been about an hour at this point. I said, I'll tell you what. I said, either you take me to the hole right now, let me sign for their write-up, or whenever I do get the chance, I said, I don't text my sister from their phone. I didn't text my home girl

I said if I get them to call the commissioner office and they get that law book and they'd be able to prove that I should have been in the hole at the time how was I using the phone he was like you wouldn't I leaned back I wouldn't

I said try me you're trying to get me fucking staff he said man he got so I'm talking about his whole face to her he said get this pieces out of her right now take them to the hole and they took me to the hole

and then take brain none of my property they stole my TV so my radio clothes I didn't I didn't they brought me one bar so that was it everything

I sit back out for about two weeks and I ended up getting moved to North not North

West High and when I got to West High Matt I get there and I asked the lady

I said do you know Christopher Williams she said yeah I know Chris William too

she said yeah she said oh he in the unit you're going and she said how you know

I said that's my daddy brother's my uncle she was like your I see, yeah, my uncle.

So now I'm at the prison. I just left with my dad and my brother, left him with my daddy, and now I'm down here with my daddy brother who got 705 years for kidnapping him. Jesus. So I get down there, man, and I go in and say,

but he had changed his life, though. He was five dudes who were crippled. He was actually over them at one point. He had changed his life, though, gave his life to cry. He was too, he was completely done. But I ain't know how serious. I used to send him drugs to prison.

He used to call me like, take his to such and such and such, and they're going to, before I learned it when I got in, but I used to send him drugs. So I get there, they don't lock down because the officer had got stabbed two, three days before I got there. And I asked the officer, I'm like, what's his tune in? They were like, oh, he over, I think it was 13 cell.

I go over to the cell. Her grew out on his face. My uncle ain't seen me since I was a kid. And so I'd knock on the door. He comes to the door. He was like, what's up? I said, man, what's up? He's just looking.

I said, you know who I am? He squinting his eyes. He said, Tommy? That's what he called my daddy. I was like, nah. I was like, his nephew, his boo. He was like, nephew? He said, you're still a gang member?

I was like, that's the first question. He was like, you're like, you're still a gang member? I was like, no. He said, because I don't got nothing going on. I ain't in that life no more. I don't condone that. He said, if you want to, want to get on the right path i can help you i can get you help you get you a job down here i'm like

hold on we ain't even caught up or nothing you don't know why i'm here what's going on how you doing nothing and he was like the path that i'm on if if it's other than that he was like man i can't and i was like now i've been i've been out of gd he was like well you do hustling i was like yeah but i really just got i just got i just got i know i was like dang so they put me in the in this in this corner said with this guy that was a kitchen worker that i was in juvie with So when he get out working, he seen me, he was like, boy, they don't put a little Joe in here. I know we're in the rocket. He was like, look, they got them phones over there across the house, and I'm thinking about

my uncle's conversation. I was like, how much you say the phone before? He was like, man, I was like, man, you know, too, my uncle. He was like, Christ, they called him Christopher. He said, Christful, yo. I was like, yeah. He was like, oh, we probably can't get no phone then. He was like, you're like, man, he was like, man, he was probably going to stop all of that.

I was like, man, we can see what's up with the phone. This is the first time in my life just wouldn't nothing work. None of my penitentiaries. Like, I tried to get green. Lost it. Tried to get two phones. Lost it.

All the money that I had at the prison started just running like water through my hand. Like, it was the first time ever in my life on the streets. And I was just like, what is happening? Like, what is going on? So I moved out of that cell with the kitchen man. I moved in the cell with my uncle best friend, which is dip, which he was in the way too.

And over time, I was just like, man. I got parole hearing that coming up, and I'm thinking, man, let me, let me figure to see how this work. And, bro, I went up for parole, trying to do it right. I had been going to the church and got into doing gospel route. It's kind of switching to really playing with God in a sense. I'm thinking, you know, I can be performative, and he can bless me. And I had like a year and some change, almost two years left, because they had denied me two times already. First time they put me out of three years, second time they put me out of two.

I'm thinking, I'm going to get it this time. Like, come on, I took out of programs. I ain't had no write-ups. Like, I'm cool. The man, I went up there and wasn't in there 15 seconds. The man leaned over. He said, do the remainder of the balance. I just kind of looked around, and I tapped on the mic.

I said, when he said, he started flipping through his paper. Like, he was waiting for the next person. I tapped on the mic. He looked up. Yes. I said, can you repeat that? He leaned in. Do the remainder of the balance.

Thank you. And I was like, well, I got up. It probably was the longest walk I ever had in my life back to the unit. Just thinking of everything. Like, I'm like, and that's when I wrote the first book. I wrote their first book in like 14 days, just up day and night, kind of just pouring out how I feel. and I started tying the Bible to, like, I would ask my silly, like,

this is what the character going through right now. What's a scripture that'll make this make sense? And he will give me, and I started learning. I call that time, like, I say God tricked me. I started writing. I wrote my first, and then I wrote, I ended up writing three books. I published the first one there. I started selling them from prison, and that was the first time I was like,

I ain't got to sell dope. Like, I can do something right. Like, that wasn't, because it wasn't working on them. I was still using phone here and that, but I ended up staying down there with my uncle about probably most a year. They ended up closing their prison down, and then I went back to the prison where I started at the worst prison in the state, Northwest.

And I was like, man, out of all places, this is the place I go last when I'm right at the door. And I ain't trying to go down here. And I went in there and, man, I was good. I didn't have no bad name, had no bad rep. They got cleared up. She didn't lose her job on the strength of me. Like, she kept her job and ended up getting fired three, four months after I left, because she started talking to somebody else.

He finessed her in some kind of way, and he was trying to, somebody tried to talk to her, and he was like, now she'll blow it. And he said it to a crypt, and a war broke out. It was on the news. I was just got light-flighted, like the war, the fight went from the, prison yard to all the units like it went crazy and she ended up walking away from the job but it wasn't went on me i didn't get i didn't give them nothing on her and uh um yeah yeah and so i got the west high i mean i got to northwest where i started uh the end of my sentence i had like a year

a little bit over a year left i think by the time i did get there wrapped up the rest of my sentence man and came home may i want to say 23rd 2007 been home, I guess it would be eight years. 21, 17? 2017. Yeah. I went in 2007, got out May 2017. So I guess that'll be eight years this year and, man, came home, and I felt like I had some

adjusting to do, but at the same time, I had to keep up. I didn't have time. I didn't have time to adjust. I had to get with it instantly. And I was going to the miles, setting my books at kiosces. I was doing pretty good in my mind. I'm thinking, you know, I'm having $1,500. a weekend. I'm thinking that's a decent money.

But at the time, I ain't got no bills. I don't even really know how to pay bills. You know, I'm using... What were the name of the books? The first book is called The Life Sunday to Sunday. The second one is growing in Christ. And then the third one, it was because they're a series. Dang, I know the first one, it was showing a guy who was getting out of the life

and trying to bring his friends alone. the second one was showing them growing in Christ and the third one I can't remember the name and that's crazy but the third one's about basically them reaching back to a younger generation who looked up to them so this isn't what the the series your series on no no no no no no no no and then I did I did end up writing a book on my life too the life of Bupecker which was the book that basically changed my life overnight um and about three and a half four years ago I did a story time on TikTok I was working a job at the time And this girl told me She was like, you need to get on T-Tac I was like, man, get on T-T-T-T-T-T. Like people dance, I didn't have YouTube at the time I was just doing Instagram and Facebook

And she took my phone one day, downloaded And she was like, just upload a video So I ended up uploading But it wasn't a story time But like two, three videos They had like 400 hundred views I was like, this ain't And I was like, man, I'm gonna do a story time

And I did the Escape Story. And at that time I probably was averaging I probably was selling about 40 books a month I went to sleep to take a nap before to go to work. I woke up and had 250 book sales within a period of like two, three hours. Whoa. Because just from the TikTok, what was the TikTok yet? Like half a million or something?

Yeah, the first one had a half a million views on it. And that's what drove the traffic for the books. Yep. And I did part two. And I started setting like a thousand books a month for probably over about a year. I was doing a thousand books a month. and then I started doing merch and then I'd never even seen myself

as a storyteller ever like my family and my friend there's man I ain't never seen them do that but as I the comment section was everything like people were it was almost like they were pouring into a gift I didn't even know and I just kept doing it and before I knew it

they were pouring into what? A gift that I didn't even know I had oh okay and I just I just kept doing it and then I guess over time I kind of started nurturing it and then I was like I'm doing my life story but I did 10 years prison, that's a story, that's a story every day. So I just started telling all the prison stories, but I would, like I said, I would do like a minute and a half, and I would say for the rest

to go to YouTube. And before you know it, man, and shot the movie and the series, go ahead. Well, how did, okay, I was just wondering, because you said you started on TikTok, so you also started a YouTube channel and you were just driving traffic to the YouTube channel. Right. And then how did the series come about? Like, did you write? Oh, the series, that's crazy. I mean, I thought, did you write the series? I didn't write the, I did, but I didn't. The first three and a half episodes, I did it out of the top of my head.

I was just basically telling people to come, like, this is what we're doing, this is what you say, this is how we're going to do it. I'm telling my cameraman, this is how I want it shot. No script, nothing? No. And after about three episodes and I watched them, I was like, I'm doing this off the top of my head. If I wrote it, it'd be ten times better. So I started writing, I wrote, so if you watch it, it's kind of traps on TV. if you watch it, you will be able to tell, like, four, five, and six is different because

I wrote it. But the movie we just wrapped last Tuesday, I wrote it. I wrote it all the way through Kyle 21 days. This act was being edited. I'm hoping we drop it by the end of April. But the movie, I don't know if you seen, well, I probably didn't got them in this phone, but I had built a prison set. I don't know if you saw that.

No, I saw everything was happening in a, they were, it was in a house. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I built a prison. And said, that's how we ended up getting to the series. Because what I was going to do is I was going to recreate the prison storytellers reenactments. So I ended up, that's how I meant her too.

But I think I got, if you could. The other thing I saw was people doing reviews. Yeah, you could kind of see like this is a, like I kind of built. Oh, yeah, yeah. That point, hey, that actually looks pretty good. doors look pretty good. Is that just wood? Yeah. It's just some, you just had a carpenter to it? Yep. That looks pretty

good. I had my neighbor do it. Yeah. Send those pictures of Matt, I can I'm gonna definitely do it. But you got the videos. I got a, so I ended up building the set. And once I, once I built the set,

because I want to show this to you. Once I built the set, I was having people come and we were reenact. acting story times in the set there's a cell the real flat TV and get to the unit you understand I there's no TVs in federal prison like when you talk about the TV and wow yeah so yeah that's how that's that's kind of how it started and then from there I was like man let's film some stuff outside of here and we did the first three three and a half and I

I was like, hold on, we got something. And I started writing it. We dropped it on TV, man. It's going crazy. And I'm like, man, that wasn't even me and my, that was just. I was just, I saw, I saw reviews is what I saw, too. I saw people reviewing it. There was a woman that does a review.

Oh, yeah. Posted a review from a woman. Well, she wasn't really reviewing it. She was just complaining that you hadn't put out another episode or something. And you were just re-uping. You were reposting what she had said. Right, right, right. Yeah, they was asking about season two, which we're about to start filming probably next month.

I just wanted to wait until he finished editing that, but... What's the series called? Traps, T-R-A-P-S-T-R-A-P-S, and then my book is The Life of Boubecker, which is on my website, J-T-B-3.org. But, yeah, I got a thousand books sitting in the right now, but I just, that TikTok, social media, man, is a... It changed my life, bro. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'd be selling cars right now. Yeah, it's a game-changing, man, if you want to put their work in.

But once I started adjusting it moved out here, and it's just been up from there, man. Yeah, the YouTube, the YouTube is performing well. Have you seen the YouTube channel? So on the YouTube channel, you just told, I only saw the Instagram channel. I didn't even know the TikTok. Just doing story time, like vertical video. Does you film on your phone? Yeah.

Just a, just no thumbnail or nothing. Nothing. 20,000 views, 15,000 views, 26,000 views. Like, that's good. But not, because, you know, typically, like a YouTube channel, you're doing the thumbnails, you're doing all that type of stuff. You're doing podcast mic. But you just sit there and just talk to the camera and pull decent numbers.

That's my morning. Like, I get up at 8.30. I set my phone up and I just go. And the YouTube is got two over two over. 273,000 subscribers yeah you have uh yeah two years ago you had a video hit 900,000 yeah that probably was the sleeping with the correction officer yeah yeah I didn't tell this story I slept with the office on max yeah yeah so what Indian chick never reached out to you yeah are you yeah yeah we actually stayed in touch uh probably my first

five, six years when I came home. She would message me and then she ended up getting married and had two kids and, you know, but every now and then she used to just message me and it was like, hey, you're doing great, I'm proud of you and that'd be it. But yeah, man,

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because I'm the person that escaped and was on the news. But when I walked in, it was a lady, she was on a clipboard, and she kind of looked up. And I just kind of looked at it, and I was like, hmm, I just had a feeling. But I ended up getting to the unit. It's a guy named Green, man. This guy was, he was super duper intelligent,

but he was out there. And he was in, it's like an observation cell. where they can see the windows versus a cell door with the little window. And they ended up put me in another cell beside him that was similar so they can watch me because they had to put me on

side water, I guess for two, three days until they put me in a regular cell. And I watched Green pop his water sprinkler. So I'm thinking, man, they keep me in two, three days and watching me like this. Like, I'm going to just pop the water sprinkler.

So I ended up popping the water sprinkler and it hadn't been popped in so long. Like, it was coming out black. Right. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't even trying to, they just let it, they just let it flood. So after they got through that same lady came over to the door,

and she was like, you see what they got you? That ain't going to work in here. That jail stuff, that ain't going to work in here. Like, they ain't going to pay you no attention. You'll be sitting there cell. You'll be cold. And I'm like, oh, that's what's up. So cool.

I ended up getting out of their cell. And now I'm in the cell with just the regular little window. So I used to try to talk to her in there, but she wouldn't talk to me. So I go to the shower one day. They come. they got to put my hands outside the pie flat they put the handcuffs on me i got to turn put my legs on the bed they put the shackles on my legs and they escort me across to go in the shower and when i come out of the shower i seen her and i speak to her i was like dang what's up i say her

name i say her name but the way i said it she could tell it was me basically shooting my shot trying to holler and she was like and what you got life i was like no i ain't got no time yet i was like, I'm fighting my case, and I'm fin to get ready to go home. So I'm going to, I'm going to go home. She was like, whatever, I've seen that. I was like, yeah, I'm going to get ready to go home. So they take me in the cell, take the handcuffs, shackles off. I tap on the window to tell her to come over to talk to them.

So she'd come over, we talked for just a brief second, and I basically started telling I had money, and that money was on my books. And she was like, yeah, y'all be lying out of time about money on your books. People don't even really be sending y'all stuff. Your family don't come to see you, you throw your life away. Like, she just talked to me in it. y'all throw your life away and then come in here and think y'all want to tell us about the little life you had like that's going to mean something and so she walked on out and i ended up going outside and this is when i actually had my first conversation with a guy in a penitentiary his name is um um dang we called him slim but uh he had uh he had a art case he had done 30 years he said he was innocent in the first thing in the first thing in the first thing in the first thing in the first thing The first thing he said to me was, if you didn't do it, you need to tell.

And I'm fresh out the streets. I'm 19. I'm like, tell. Like, I ain't going to do it. I don't know what type of games you're playing. And he was like, yeah, you need to tell. If you, he was like, I'm telling him. He was like, I got locked up with a friend of mine.

My friend told me, we're going to be all right. We went before the judge. They sentenced me, the life sentence, the judge hit the gavel. My public pretender, the first time I heard that, my public pretender was wrapping up his briefcase I turned around my mama had a stroke in the courtroom and by the time I realized the bailiff was grabbing me and I was in the back and now I've been here 30 years he was like my mama pads and like he just talked about all he was like and I've been here then he told me he was like I've been the max I've been in the clothes I'm gonna stab people I don't been in walls I done did

this and then he said I don't even slept with me in this is my first conversation in penit I said what did you say he said he said you heard me he said he's standing and he's standing and And he looked at me, dad in my eyes. He said, I didn't even slept with me. He said, where are you from? I'm scared now. I don't even, I'm in Springfield. Wow, what's up?

A little crack in your voice. I'm Springfield, Tennessee. I said, yeah. And he asked me about a relative. He was like, do you know such, such? But I didn't tell him it with my cousin. And this is a big guy. He was like, he used to be my boy.

I said, who? And he's repeated in that. He was like, yeah, we used to cuddle. We used to lay in the boy. bunk together and I'm looking like is he saying this to me like what is it scared straight like what is going on he said I'm telling you he said if you didn't do that take my advice and tell and go ahead and get the best deal and go home that was my first and while he talking she came out because the wreck time over she came out of dang I want to say his name

because I'm for people to pull him and see his cases he ended up getting out he was was innocent they had enough to yeah 30 years it was 30 something by this time when i've met him it was 30 because i stayed on max two years and he ended up they had just enough dna to run it again he got a pen pal i think they got him in the innocent project they ran it and he out he out he was on he was all over the news and everything and just yeah but so they ended up um she ended up coming outside and she was like baker 41 41 46 that's my number and she was like I checked your books you got you a little money on your books and I said dain you check my books for real I had like $1,500 on there and she was like yeah you got you a little piece of bread on there or whatever

they ain't that impressive or whatever she said so they come in they get me from the rig and they take me back in but I'm like okay I guess I made an impression so they moved me upstairs and I'm fighting my case on back and forth the court I'm back and forth the court so one morning one morning I get up and I And I noticed she was there. When she come in, oh, now, I had a court date. It was that morning. She come over. I hear women talk, but she knocked on the window.

And when she said, I was like, and I raised up, I got on long johns. So in my long johns, I got more than wood. Right. But in my head, I'm thinking, I'm going to get her to see if she'll look. So I get up out of the bed and her eyes was, and I said, what are you looking at? And she was like, boy, whatever. And she was like, pack your stuff, you got to go to court. She threw the bags under my bed.

So when she threw the bags under my bed, I get it and I was like, hey, and she'd go to walk off. I said, hey, I said, you know I'm probably going home today. She was like, for real? I was like, yeah, I'm probably going home today. I was like, man, let me hit you up. She was like, hold on real quick, just that simple. And she walked out, went and wrote her number down, came back like she had to give me something and slid it under the door and gave me her number. She was like, just kind when you get out.

I was like, dang, that was easy. Like, that's crazy. So I ended up going to court. They put me out three months. They put me out for another three months. I come back. When I come back in, she's standing by the desk. She's standing at the desk.

And as soon as I walked in, she did me like it. I said, man, I didn't get to, they put me out three months. Whatever went on, I said, they put me out three months. She was like, dang, that's messed up. So I go back to the cell. By the time they get me unhooked and all this old stuff, she come over. So I let me, so we sit in here talking. And she was like, you know, I'm going to be in here on the night show.

I was like, for real, she was like, yeah, when I come in on the night show, she was like, don't go to sleep here. She was like, I'm going to come over here. I'm like, all right, cool. We can do that. I ain't thinking. I ain't thinking that. I ain't even heard of this happening in the Pentendry yet.

I ain't been here. I ain't, this ain't even Pentry, penitentiary. It's like a hospital. Right. This ain't even like. So she come in on Thursday. I'm laying down in the bed. I hear the exchange of the keys

and I hear the radio aisle so I get up to look, it's her. I'm like, dang, she's here on third show. A lot of people up here on medication, they sleep. Like, they, I know they sleep. So I lay, I sit back down on the bed. I hear her doing a count. When she gets to my door,

she flashed the flashlight in there, and she was like, when I get through doing my account, come back over her, I'm like, all right, cool. So I sit there and I'm like, dang, I'm going to get the kick of the night. I don't know. This is the closest thing to being home. So she finished her count.

She come over to the door. I get up, we're talking, we're going back and forth. And there's another woman who working her with her. The lady, I don't know if it was a call or whatever it is. She was like, let me go finish his paperwork. She was like, I'm going to come back and finish talking to you. I tap on the way. I'm like, come in real quick.

She was like, what's up? What is it? I said, come in here. I'm playing. Right. There's no way she's coming in. Ain't way, ain't no way. I said, come here.

She was like, what? She reached for the keys and go for the, I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. She was like, what? I said, what you? She said, I thought you wanted me to come here. I said, give me a second. I said, let me finish watching my show. Monk about to come on.

I'm dead serious. I am dead serious. This is dead. She said, what? I said, let me finish watching Monk. And then, and then come back. She was like, you, you, you, I was like, yeah, let me finish watching Monk. So she put the key back in the little holster and walked off.

And I was sitting there like, she was going to come in here. Like, she was literally about to come in my cell. So I take the down soap with a wash rag And wash all the walls Like I'm at home Like I wanted to smell good at myself or something really I don't know Like I wiped the toilet

Now I cleaned everything I took a bar I took a bar of my dove soap You know And put it in the sock And smash it on the wall Like air freshener Smash it on the wall

I was like man What is good I got my clean boxes out And everything I'm sitting here I don't took my mat Out of the floor And laid it down

Because I'm like How we're gonna If she come in here. I'm trying to situate it. Like, how this, should I put a cover my window? Like, what, what? Is she going to come in? I'm going through. And then I said, I'm going

home. If she come in here and while I'm fighting this case, I'm going to run out and say she tried to do something to me. She tried to take it. She tried to take it. This is what I say. I probably, I said, no, forget that. The plan is she, she tried to take it. The state going to have to work out

something or they're going to have to pay me i'm a master security inmate i ran all down i'm a mass secured inmate my doors do not supposed to open without handcuffs and shackles and two three officers ain't no way i ain't even in the penitentiary yet it is third ship wise my door open and the officer in here i'm gonna run out naked that's what i said i'm gonna run out naked and just be screaming and screaming and screaming so i hear i'm watching muck i'm watching muck which is my favorite with my favorite show at the time. I'm watching a month.

It started going off. And I heard, I said, she's coming over here for real. I can see her shadow on the wall. It's getting bigger and bigger. I said,

so I raised up. She's coming over here for real. She comes to the door. Get on the crack. She said, you ready? Yeah. She put the key in there.

I hear, she I said I'm going to go home I'm going to get out they're going to say boy they're going to say I ran off with this

but I didn't escape jail and then now I'm I said this is about to do it so she stepped in the threshold of the door I'm standing in the back of the cell I'm just standing there I got my shirt out

I'm just standing there I don't know what's going on I don't trust you and she was like what's up what you're going to do I said, what's you going to do? Like, it was weird.

She reached back outside the door, pulled a latch, and pulled it to where the door wasn't closed. She pulled up. I was like, okay, she's here. She was like, boy, ain't got out all day. Come on. And started unbucking her pants as she walking to me. I set the mat back down on the floor.

She got down, turned, toothed it up. I looked down. Twat just, I was like, what? I said, in the penitentiary? Can I ask you a question? Go ahead. What does this chick look like? She was nice.

I kid you not. I want to say her name. I've been wanting to say it for years. I promise you I have. She was probably, she was tall. I was just about, you good, babe. She was probably about 5'8. She had braids.

She was dark-skinned. Like, she was a nice build. I ain't even going to lie. But when she, I was, I was like, that's cat in myself. This on top of these. I was like, before you knew it, I, and it was going down. Like, it was literally going down.

We got Vinny, she got up, I got back up and stood back, pulled my, still scared. And she walked out of the cell, closed the door, I guess she went and washed up, came back and said, that wasn't enough. my home girl once we finish this pay work we're gonna come in there I'm gonna come in there we're gonna do everything we're gonna do it all We mean we No no I miss quote

Yeah she said I'm gonna come back in She said we're gonna we're gonna do it all I was like I was like I'm gonna go to sleep I promise you I was like Nah I was scared I was like nah I was like We're gonna have to catch yet another time

Like I'm tired I ain't I was like Are you for real I was like I'm dead serious Don't come back in here Don't come back in here She came back I seen her one last time

About four months later, she claimed she had an abortion, that she had, whatever, and then she ended up getting fired because an inmate got called with a phone. He had a bunch of news in her. Then all the inmates started talking and saying that's what she was doing. Yep. Yep. The prison was, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, like, this is crazy. No. Oh, the death row

Oh yeah, I was on death row That was on death row For what? Because when I went This is a prison called Charles Bass It's a minimum Restrict or minimum security prison And

When they discharged me from this prison Where I had Relations with the correctional officer With the officer The Indian No, not the Indian The girl I just told you about Okay

When I almost said her name I'm going to say a name because you got fired anyway, Knicks. Officer Nix, after Officer Nix, I got moved to Charles Bags because they discharged me. Because I was playing crazy this time, so I'm there. Basically, they were trying to pump me full of psychotropic meds, and I told them I was going to quit taking them. I was done taking them. So they moved me to Charles Baz. So now I'm in the hold.

They don't even have a maximum security holding place. I was supposed to go to River Bend, which is a maximum security prison. And they all on the same role, Charles Bads, River Bend, special needs. So they take me down here to Charles Bair, they got me in Gile 4, which is the hole, like I said. And they moved me in the cell where my TV won't get no signal. God forbid. Listen. I don't have TV.

Man. So I started tripping. I'm kicking the door. And it was a guy next to me, the guy I don't know if you're familiar with the Marshall Trembled case. the guy that they said that Marshall Trembled y'all look it up

but he was Jerome Barrett is his name he was next door to me I didn't even know he was and he tapped on the wall and spoke to me through the plug

he was like hey young blood you need to quit making all that noise and I popped off on him man I don't know who you're talking to man

I ain't get out go make bond and he was like all right all right he ain't argue with me the next day they came and got him

in the morning he went to court I did I could get a little bit of the news I couldn't get my favorite channels i get the news he was on the news and i was like that's that's the dude i was

talking crazy to like i might need to leave him alone but anyway i get into it with i get into what was he in for uh um he had a child charge oh okay yeah he had a he had a he had a and was a murder okay yeah yeah yeah yeah he had two of um jerome bear yeah um i want to remember the guy named that I just said it got out but um so I get into it with the I get into it with the police because I'm trying to get out of this cell so I don't flooded it I don't put lemonade coolade and some bread in my shampoo bottle and shook it up real good and it told them that it will yearn and feces okay they don't serve my food so my flap is open so I got my arm outside of the flap and I'm telling them

the water to cut the water off is beside me and I'm saying whoever try to open this and turn this water off and keep me from flooding it I'm going to spray feces on you so so nobody's no inmate is wanting to open up this thing and and

cut it out because if they come close I squirt it and they don't want to do it no inmate no the inmates not the inmates the rock men they try to make the because the rock men they down here clean in the water and they also tell telling the rock man to go and shut that water

but I'm telling I'm going to spray you so I was a officer Bugsby I remember you Bugsby Bugsby comes in and he walks over to the door he said I'm gonna give you three seconds to close their flap or I still got a mark on my hand I'm gonna give you three seconds to close their flap up

or I'm gonna and he kicked the and he wasn't playing he counted he kicked and he caught it and it busts my finger open and blood just kind of squirted out real quick and so when they got the water cleaned up and turn the water out

they call medical down because they got to clean up their blood and I had some blood inside the cell so they're telling me they got to come in the cell to clean the blood and I'm telling them if they're not putting handcuffs and shackles on me ain't nobody coming in here

because I'm gonna feel like y'all are three y'all trying to do something to me bugs be telling the regular officer open that door and I told them Mac don't open that door. If you don't put handcuffs and shackles on me, I'm going to take it as y'all coming here and try to do something to me,

and I'm going to fight. And he stuck the key in the door, they're going back and forth, and eventually he opened the door. As soon as he opened it, I bust out of the door, grabbed Mack threw him out of the way. He was an older guy,

and me and Buzzbee was going at it. They slammed him down on the ground, and when I slammed him, he put his thumbs in my eyes, almost like he was going to poke my eyes out of there. And at that point, some Mac started spraying mason's just, Mace went everywhere.

I ain't got on handcuffs and shackles. I'm going to say keeping the home supposed to. So I feel my way to the bathroom in the staff bathroom, which got a latch lock, not a key on the outside. I go in the staff bathroom and latch the lock. And they begging me to come out. I'm like, no, get the warden here. I don't care what time it is until the warden come.

So the warden finally came after like two, three hours. And he was like, what's going on? I said, the only thing I'm going to tell you is I feel like, I felt like I was, I felt like it was a threat on my life. I said, I'm, I'm here on safekeeping because of the escape. I'm being held as a maximum security inmate. I'm on 23 and 1. I said, I've been trying to get out of that cell.

I said, but bugs me, and he busts my finger, which is bleeding right now. I said, I told him, don't open up that door because he's done that. And I said, I ain't got on no handcuffs and shackles. I don't suppose, he said, I'll tell you what, Baker. If you are unlocked this door and you don't have on no handcuffs and shackles, I'm going to take care of it. He said, you ain't got nothing to worry about. I locked the door.

He looked at me. He said, well, bugs be. And he walked off. He said, man, y'all get this man, what he won't, clean him up. And he lost his rank. He went back to a regular officer, and he was, I can't forget. I can't remember how long he was off. But they moved me in his back corner cell.

And after I was there for a certain amount of time, I got involved with another one, but it didn't get too big, but I did get involved with another one. But while I was there, the flood hit in May. I can't remember the year. It might have been 2010 because that's when I took my time. 2010 May, a flood hit in this area in Nashville, Tennessee. Shut down the whole prison.

They actually tore their prison down because the mold, they couldn't, it was that bad. So they evacuated the prison. Now I end up at the prison, River Bend, where I was supposed to belong. But now that they having to evacuate, I don't get to go to a message. security unit. I end up on the death row unit because of the flood. And as I'm on the death row unit, the guy beside me, Jeff Heights, I think it's his name. He was the guy that the nurse ended up shooting in the courtroom when he was going back and forth the court. He was at Morgan County. He was at a prison in Morgan County, and they was going back to

of the court and he had something going on with her and the nurse was in the courtroom and started shooting and they escaped so he was next door to me and then the other guy that was on the right side of me he had been in the same cell over 25 years he was the only person that were talked to me and uh yeah that was that's that's how I ended up back there on the death row unit which was a weird experience because I was kind of worried about going back there because I'm thinking these people were going to be loud and reckless but these were the most Yeah, they're super quiet, chill. They don't like a lot of noise.

And they'll probably suffer from from super depression, right? Like, it's got to be. Yeah, they seem very active, though. Like, I could see, they were working out, uh, Robert, I think his name, Robert Carruth. Roba. Why? Robert Carruthers was back there.

He used to hang his mat up and punch it, like a, and he buried people alive. And I was also locked up with his charge partner, James Montgomery. But, yeah. But, yeah, I was, I was on the day. up from a unit for about three months, and then they threatened to unalive me. The inmates did because it was me and another guy.

We were both young and we were just talking about home and getting out. They don't want to hear that. They wrote and told the CO, and the CO came and told, they was like, they want us to get you out of here. They said, the first chance they get, they're going. And I was like, well, y'all need to get me up out of here. But I ended up going to court a little bit after that, and that's when I ended up taking taking the time.

And when I took the time, they took me to Charles Bass, and then from Charles Bass, I went to West High and got classified and went to Northwest, where my prison bid started. How did you end up in Texas? Who, that's a story with this. I ended up in Texas. When everything was going viral on TikTok,

I was doing a lot of lives, and I had slowed down on traveling with the books because I was selling so many online. but I was thinking about getting back on the road so I announced and I'm like what cities are y'all in what cities y'all want me to come to? So people just started saying where they were and I had somebody offer me to say,

if you come to Texas and I was like, man, I'm thinking I'm going to go for a year and I ended up going and liking it and it was like, no, I'm going to stay. Texas, where? Dallas. Yeah, well, I'm in Arlington now, but yeah, I started in, I started in Dallas

And it's been up, man. I met great people. My fiancee. Our people love me to death, man. And, shoot, it's, I love Texas. Texas love me back. Yeah. So, yeah, that's how I happen.

What do you think? I think it's good. The only question I have, and you don't have to answer it if you don't think it really adds to the story, was there a point in prison where you kind of made that shift? was there like a pivotal point that made you have that mental shift like okay like I'm going to work on bettering myself or whatever when I got to the prison with my uncle

when I got to the prison with my uncle I was already mentally tired I think I was already going through I think I guess you could say like an identity crisis in prison like it wasn't that I was scared I was aware of who and where I was around it was almost like I got to go alone and get along for the time I have to be somewhat of the monster or be to survive this. I have to somewhat be manipulative

and somewhat be, you know, a con in some way because ain't nothing free in the penitentiary and every conversation leads to, you know, you just never know. But the pivotal moment was when me and my daddy got into it and we had that break. And then when I looked at him in his sleep

and realized like this is, and I did have one conversation with him while we were breaking down Green one time and I said, we got to stop. And he looked me dead in my eyes He said, you can He said, I got to live here And that was

It was my reality Like, yeah, I get it You ain't even got to explain I understand exactly what you're saying And when I got to the prison When my uncle was I literally felt like God Wouldn't allow anything to work

I believe that What out in my heart It was like, no I ain't been stabbed in prison And I've went through some things But not things I've seen seen people go through and I had done some things and got away with a lot of things in prison almost and it was just like man I want to get this to try and I'm getting ready to go home like

I went in when my daughter was four I'm going to go home she's going to be 14 years old and I didn't see my daughter the whole 10 years I didn't see my daughter the whole 10 years I was gone they see my mom in the whole 10 years I didn't see none of my family the whole entire time I was locked up in prison I watched my daughter grow up through pictures and the only thing she know of me is what everybody said and I'm like I don't want to go home and recreate or be that right you know what but it was scary too because I didn't know what I was going to do you make all these plans in prison and listen you when they it's just like coming in prison when you walk in prison there's no guide to tell you how to get through this you got a couple of guys that might tell you hey

but you literally have to figure it out it's the same way when you walk out of here Them programs are for their black and white. You could say you took Angamanderman. You could say you took A, you could say you took there through the community. You could say you took all these programs. That ain't nothing. When you walk out in prison and walk out of prison, fed wherever and realize you have to acclimate your mind,

my time stopped. My time stopped in 2007. You got all these new memories. I sit around people at some point. And it was just like, I'm, what is going on? All I have to talk about is 2007, 2005, 2006. So, and when I got around my uncle, I was like, this is an opportunity. And then when they denied me for parole and I wrote them books, I loved how it made me feel.

I really did. It was a scripture, which is one of my favorites. It said, one of the man weighs pleased the most how it makes even his enemies be at peace with him. And I said, I got a lot of enemies. I need this scripture to be real. In my life, it's, I robbed a lot of people. I heard a lot of people. I shot a lot of people.

I did a lot of things. I need my enemies to be a peace with me. And so I said, I got to, I got to at least try to do this different. And I don't have no regrets. I really don't. And it ain't even about the things that I have, man. It ain't about the, the home or the car. It ain't about none of that.

It's what I have here. What I have here, the stability. and the peace that I have and the life that I have, the people that I'm surrounded by, like, it amazes me because I would never have been able to fathom this in the life that I live.

I didn't even think this is possible. Right. The way I live, because I used to speak at a lot of churches, I used to always say when I spoke, I thought everybody was living like me, and I meant it from the bottom of my heart. You couldn't convince me

people were making an honest living, and you couldn't convince me that everybody wasn't selling drugs, or doing drugs or robbing or scamming or doing something, everybody I knew was. Everybody I was around. Like, everything was the life. So getting a taste of what I have now is,

I'm going to be real. It's like, bro, it's like, I'm, I tell you before, it's like I'm dead somewhere. I'm having an out-of-body experience. That's the best way I can explain it. It's like I'm somewhere in a coma waiting to wake up and say, I knew it had to have been a dream. And I mean that.

It's that real. Like, my life is that peaceful. I always tell, I've said before, when I go, I want to go empty. If anything was to happen to me, if I had to lay on my deathbed and they told me I had three days left, I wouldn't sit there and feel like it ain't something that I didn't do. everything I thought of, I tried it. I did it. If it didn't work, I tried some else. If I go, I'll go empty.

And that's what I feel. And I contribute a lot of that to prison, but I contribute a majority of, I contribute more of it based on the environment that I grew up in. People would think it's prison. I saw it. Prison allowed me to really get in a space to say, okay. okay, we can switch up something somewhere because now you had a time to sit.

I've been seeing it, but when you're seeing it and in it, it's hard to get out of it. How do I, everybody drug dealers. Nobody's married. Nobody's in healthy relationships. Nobody's teaching real things.

Nobody has financial literacy. Who do I go to for that? Who do I talk to? who can show me something different. Prison allowed a time at some point of saying, you can't keep doing that, to start trying to readjust this. And then coming home after 10 years

and seeing how everybody's in the same condition, no. So I would say that's where it started realizing it's got to be more to life. And right now I have debt. I have the more to life. Yeah, this is what I'd say. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching.

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