Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Innocent Man Convicted for 60+ Years | Earnest Jackson

Episode Date: August 19, 2023

Innocent Man Convicted for 60+ Years | Earnest Jackson

He said, Ernest just came out the house and, like, saying it's going to be okay, Mom. And he went into custody of the police in 99. And now we're in 2023, and he's never been out of that. Right. Ever from the age of 17. Elamar decides to take the stand, which is, you know, either courageous or really not very intelligent, you know, thought out because you got to convince a jury that not only am I not guilty. but I'm telling you, I'm a shooter. He gets up on the stand and says, I have a gun, and I shot at them.

And I had met him, so I knew him around the yard. And I read his case. And I was like, dude, this is the first. You are in prison for a non-crime because you can't have murder if the shooter is acquitted of self-defense. Right. And he was like, wait, what? Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Jay Whitmer, and he is a peer support specialist. And we're going to be talking about the Ernest Jackson case.

And I will let Jason explain in more detail. So check it out. Ernest is a guy that was found guilty of being at a. murder that he says he wasn't there and there's tons of evidence that says he wasn't there and yet he's still in prison because essentially you believe or I guess everybody pretty much involved in it believes that that the district attorney or the state in general doesn't want to release him because they would have to then of course they would have to pay him for being wrongfully incarcerated for how many years?

over two decades now. Okay. So, all right. So, anyway, so they're completely resistant to it. And this has happened over and over again throughout,

like throughout the country where prosecutors, they don't want to release guys because their fear is if I, if we release them or if it, you know, and the evidence shows that, you know, he was set up or it was wrongful prosecution, then we have to pay him. depending on what state, some states have caps where they say, look, we owe the guy $12,000 a year.

Some of them say $80,000 a year. Some of them have no, no legislation, and they end up just negotiating it. And I know in the past from just seeing different types of documentaries and reading different articles and books where sometimes they say, hey, we'll let you go, but you have to promise not to sue us, which typically doesn't hold up, but they try it anyway. um anyway did you ever see read the book uh an innocent man i think there's a documentary on it too uh i think i've seen the documentary yeah it was that being said right here right now there's a guy touring around that has and i might not have the name exactly right but his name is daniel daniel medwood m-ed like w-ed he's a professor and he wrote a book why innocent people can't get out of prison right and he's actually down here uh

at the colleges we got, you know, talking and whatnot, and I'm going to meet up with him later on because he also found out Ernest's case, Ernest Jackson, that we're going to be talking about. And you might hear me say, Nesto, that's a nickname I gave him. So sometimes I slide into that because I have myself done a lot of time. Right. But this professor is down here. Yeah, he writes this. He wrote this whole book about why innocent people can't get out of prison in our system.

Right. you're basically you're um you're an advocate for absolutely i'm an advocate in the community period that's kind of my growth my long stuttered growth from the system because i didn't just go there and hide my head i was i was terrible but i put all my all my energy into something else now right and so this was a case that i've seen and i know we'll get into it but this was a case that you know I met him and I was reading law trying to figure out how to beat my stuff, even though I was guilty. And I read his case and it just blew me away because you hear about innocent people, but you always hear these, like, shady parts, whether, you know, you can always say there's a gray area. Right.

Well, we don't know this or they're not innocent because it was a procedural thing with his co-defendant and blah, blah, blah, where the kicker in this case that we'll get to is, he's guilty of a crime that's not a crime. And that might not make sense. Right. Until you, you know a little bit about the case, but it's a crime. That's not a crime, let alone all the other stuff. And it's a horrible case. But yeah. So I'm a community advocate, and I just kind of try to bring a light to, like, for instance,

people go in for doing terrible stuff. And I know guys with, like, extraordinarily horrible cases. And then as I grow, because I got about 20 years in myself, I've seen guys that if I just looked at the, their case, I couldn't see the person that actually I'm interacting in the yard. That's out reaching out to the brothers. That's just trying to be a guy reading books and talking to you on the level and not doing whatever life he had before he got came to the system. So, right. Human nature is complicated. To say that. Oh, yeah. Listen, I've, I've met numerous guys in

prison and you're talking to him. And then suddenly you go, what are you here for, bro? And then they tell you're like wow like i didn't see that like that that that was not not what i saw coming um okay so so tell me about uh about ernest like where was he born how you know what kind of childhood that sort of thing like how yeah nesto and uh i don't know a ton about his childhood i do know he was born in 81 i believe in right right in our right in our state Omaha, Nebraska. Yeah. Okay. So north in Nebraska, where I'm at, where we're at, right in the middle of the country, our biggest city is Omaha, and then our capital, the second biggest city is Lincoln. I currently live in Lincoln, and that's where our biggest prisons are in Lincoln,

and then some little town, they put a big, big one out there. But he was born in North Omaha, and that's basically where a lot of redlining, so that's where a lot of the, the, the, the hoods are north and south are the part of Omaha that are most got most of the stuff going on and he was born on the north side with uh or in about i think it was october at 81 because i know they uh celebrate his birthday very athletic kid sports he has one of them families were his mother and his his aunt her sister they're like their kids are like like this whoever's house they're at they at mom's house so you know if there's punishment coming they can punish how they want how they see fit and the other other mom you know they know and that's kind of something that comes up because

they have one of them families where it doesn't matter if you're at aunt's house or mom's house you're at the same house so he was raised by both of them he was he was definitely raised by both of them in a bad neighborhood yep in a yep in one of the city neighborhoods where things are going down and there's not a lot of service unless somebody's coming there to regulate and so he has to navigate that you know and uh so yeah born in 81 has a good family his mom's very very uh very uh spiritual lady brenda jackson he has and i might get it wrong because i don't know if i met all of them but i believe it's i know i met he got two sisters and a brother I don't believe there's any other one.

He got some big family, lots of cousins, a lot of, you know, expanded family. So he has two sisters, star, and, and, uh, Remy. Remy's the youngest sister, stars, the oldest, and then his brother. And they all lived in Omaha. I think some of them moved to Arizona along with his mom, have moved to Arizona. What was, I mean, was he, you know, when he grew up, was he in trouble? Was he in a gang? It wasn't ever into the gang growing up in the city, especially once you get caught up in the system, you're always, everybody believes you're in the gang.

And if you join the gang life, you're on a fast track to prison because the whole mentality and all the push that's behind that drives you in the places that don't turn out well for none of us. The best thing that could happen for us is to get mature before we get caught up, you know, and wake up a little bit before we get caught up in a different course. but he was you know he did run with his friends and i don't know if he had any ever had any legal trouble i'm sure he probably has some misdemeanors or whatnot i actually don't know his his record like that but he nothing major uh again wasn't a gang member but he's pretty much pigeonhole to that because you know he has because it's the hood right it doesn't matter if I'm a gang member, you can best believe if I got a few friends, one or two or whatever is a gang member, and whoever I'm standing with when things get happened, that's who I'm

associated with and you can get stuck up in their moments. And if somebody gets in trouble, as we're going to see, and we know them or we're associated to them, guess who's coming to investigate us to pull that into that trouble? So how did he end up getting in trouble? I mean, he, like, how did that happen? Yeah, so 99. I believe it was October 99, right of his, again, that's about the same time when he was born. So in 99, he's 17, and a young man named Larry Perry, also 17, I believe, is shot and killed out on the north side of Omaha as we spoke about. And the next day, essentially he comes to find out, hey, the police wants you for a shooting death. they want to talk to um ernesto ornesto nesto for a shooting death and that's the word on street

because his friends which is shallamar cooper rider and dante's chillis are getting arrested in charge for the shooting death they're arrested at the time nobody really knows what's going on but that's essentially what it is this young man gets shot and he's killed and so Ernest, you know, his mom, at first, you know, he doesn't turn himself in right away, which I know, I know people, they, they think, like, why would you not just turn yourself and talk to the police? I just had an incident here last year where I had a knock on my door. And when I looked out the window, the sheriff was out there. And my first instinct was the duck down. And I literally was thinking, like, I'm going to run. And then I've, like, came to my senses because I haven't,

I've been I've been good and clean for like six years. My badness is my advocacy for, you know, change and doing something different. But I get it. Some people don't understand that. Even I at the moment didn't understand. Like, why would you run? So when somebody said,

the police coming for you, you know, and the police ain't there talking to you, especially if you're a kid and you're living in a life because we run from the, I remember running from the police not doing nothing when I was a kid. Here come the police. We just run. Right.

So yeah, he didn't turn himself in right away, but they did come get him, I don't know when. It was at his mom's house and... He's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh. His organ donation card lists his charisma. His smile is so contagious. Vaccines have been created for it. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud.

stay greedy my friends support the channel join matthew cox's patreon i was talking to his mom she said uh they was uh he was inside and she's like yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna take my boy and they were going to get the dogs and that's when i think his stepdad stepped in and was like no unless and then then she said ernest just came out the house and like saying that's going to be okay tomorrow and he went in the custody of the of the police in 99 and now we're in 2023 and he's never been out of that right ever from the age of 17 yeah so they they took him obviously they took him downtown I mean they did he get a did he get like a lawyer right away well why did they they think he was involved because his buddies were involved like you guys were a tight group

They killed, they, they were there or they were involved, so you had to be involved? Well, my understanding is they had somebody else starting to say they was making associations as well as, I guess they developed somebody that was starting to make accusations of like it wasn't me, it was this person and this person. And when it started, they didn't, he didn't know Ernest Jackson other than, you know, the neighborhood even in the city is like it's not that big either you get to hear names even if you don't really get to know each other and that's how his name got caught it came in through another person that was a suspect starting to become a prosecutor witness Alexis fulton is the name of the young man also I don't know how old he was but I'm sure he was also another young man he just immediately said no it wasn't me it was so-and-so or I heard it was so-and-so no they Nope, from my understanding, he did not immediately say that. And he went through that whole process of seeing mugshots and whatnot and mugshots from one of the lawyers that I spoke to was like the mug shots consistently involved Ernest Jackson, Dante Chilis, and Salamar Cooper Ryder, who are the three that ultimately ended up charged with the case.

So it didn't have, it didn't like a shooting happen. And one hour later, like, we know who did it. Right. You know, it was, it developed, it developed pretty quick because it was in the neighborhood and people were, there was other names thrown out there, most of which is learned later on when Shalimar Cooper Rider, which is a name that should be, is very relevant in this case, Shalimar, uh, when he goes to trial. But Ernest went there downtown by himself and I mean, he talked to the lawyer, I mean, talk, not lawyer, sorry, he didn't have a lawyer. He talked to the police and he told him where he was at and was. which was at his aunt's house with his little cousin playing video games. And that's never changed. His family verified that. His aunt verified that, you know.

And then so then we fall in that, that element of, yeah, well, we don't believe family. Right. You know? So, okay, so, I mean, so he denied it the whole. If you're saying he never, because, you know, sometimes guys will admit it. They'll get them in there for, you know, six hours straight. and, you know, convince them to just own up to it or at least say you were there, help us out.

You know, and then they end up, you know, you're 17, you're scared. You're like, oh, okay, I was there. You know, they end up placing a scenario in your head. You know, if you saw the, I don't know if you saw that documentary making a murder. Yeah. Where they get the cousin who's honestly not that sharp. obviously he's what 14 years old and not that you know not that savvy and he they convinced him

to say that his uncle did the murder and he was there yeah you know that's that's that's that's the scenario of you when you started you was speaking about how uh if they emit guilt the sit the state admits guilt in like hey we messed with the evidence we did this or this person doesn't belong here and then they're like hey that person sat for years you should they need some conversation for their life because they didn't just lose a little bit of time. They lost movement in the world. So with that being said, and you're saying about the confessions when they talk to them and whatnot, we have what's named the Beatrice Six. And Beatrice is a small town, not too far from Lincoln. And back in the 80s, and I don't know all the details, but like five of them,

five youngsters were charged with an elderly lady's murder. I think. think they had sexually assaulted her and murder and whatnot and they brought them in and they was saying they didn't do it but they got worked for a while and then they started saying you know and yeah i was just there yeah this person was doing this and this except for one he kept saying like i'm not a part of this i'm not a part i didn't have nothing to do with this and they then made a documentary on hbo like one of them docu series and all that stuff and so from my understanding is basically there's this private eye that kind of continuously walked them through the scenario that he believed happened and they evolved with the scenario as it went the finger

point and they did about 20 years all of them you know they went from young faces to the elderly and then they got out and then there was this huge lawsuit with a huge settlement that pretty much bankrupt the count beatrice the city of beatrice whatever county that's in and that became a big political fiasco because one you got them confessing and stuff and there's a lot of gray area so you have a lot of people that believe that no they are guilty you know then you got other people that are like look at what this guy did he manipulated it made this case in the what shouldn't have happened so there's a lot of emotions there and then now we got to pay all these people well you know a lot of people just think they think no matter what i would never i would never do that i would never i would never admit that i would never admit that i would never admit You know, something I didn't. Listen, bro, you know, you haven't been in that room. You're not a kid. You're not being, you know, you're a savvy, you know, intelligent, confident man that knows that you weren't involved and what not to say. But if you're a scared kid, you know, and these guys are telling you, you know, you need to help, you need to this, you need to that. And you start thinking, well, I want to help.

And I'm not, these guys aren't letting me leave. Like if I need to, like, you're thinking, well, if I say. something, you'll let me go. Kind of like the guy on Make a Murder, like he thought he was going home. He thought, okay, so if I just admit that I was a part of it, then I can go home, right? And they were like, yeah, let's go ahead and let's talk about that. What happened? Like, it's like, oh, okay, so he's assuming. And that happens. They had a, I watched a whole video on these, this kid that that was like 16 or 17 years old. They convinced him that he had murdered his sister. He admits to it. He admits to killing her, stabbing.

her that he hated her that like they're like well you know at first it's known he's like no no no no I love my sister I love my sister seven hours later he's telling you I've always hated her my parents love her more I wanted her dead I mean he just completely flips they over the course of about six seven hours they completely flip him signs of confession everything yeah and and to what you're saying is uh it doesn't take kids a Adults do it all the time. Yeah. I've seen a case like that, too.

I've seen a case like that too. When they say about the, ask for a lawyer and plead the fifth, everybody thinks that, you know, don't do that. That, you know, it sounds good. It makes you look, they think it makes you look guilty. Yeah. And then they say stuff. And then they find out, hey, this person's investigating to see what happened.

They ain't investigating. They're not looking for innocents. They're looking for guilt. in every little you know but when a lawyer comes in there's nothing wrong with taking a breath put my lawyer in between whatever the system does and if I want to talk there'll be a day to talk but I can talk where I know hey I'm not stumbling into something and I see it happen all the time people complying with things and whatnot you you can watch them on TV and it doesn't do well I can just say we have this political thing about anti-police programs

police but they are an entity when the bottom line is there's people in uniforms but they're an entity and when we won't allow the the higher levels of accountability and this entity that's armed and supposed to be safe that says something about our compliance right you know we're thinking we're just being loyal but like that's come that's the type of compliance that if this entity goes rogue, you're still going to comply because Nazi Germany didn't become Nazi Germany because everybody there was bad people. Yeah, I was going to say it's funny. It's like if somebody not, if a police officer knocks on the door and says, hey, did you see anything last night? Like I, of course, yeah, no, I didn't see anything. Well, why? What's going on? That's

different. Like, I understand answering that question. Did you know, your, your neighbor's car was broken in this last night? Did you hear anything? Like, I get it. I, I, but if they say, hey, we're picking you up. We're taking you downtown. We're questioning. We think we may have been involved in this. Then it'd be like, oh, wow, bro. Like, you're not here on a basic, you know, a breaking and entering. You know, you're not here on a car theft. Like you're trying to, and you're not, and you brought me downtown. Like, you're not asking for my help in finding the person that did this because maybe it's somebody I knew. Maybe I was at the mall when this happened. Like, you're saying I was involved. I need to talk to a lawyer.

yeah because right now you're not trying to exclude me they always say that we're just trying to exclude you stop it you're killing me with that exclusion you don't want to exclude me you want me you to be your guy i mean what what does it say anything you say can and will be used against you doesn't say anything you say could clear you but if you're guilty it's going to be used against you none of them words are in there like that so what what happened with with or not that's though i mean he got down there did didn't and he just stuck stuck to his guns yeah he's never changed that there's not even and you've been it you you you you've openly said you've been in the system yeah yeah okay in the correction system and when cases are fouled up a lot of times there's

that that that gets talked about in the system at some point before people move on especially when people are like dude actually didn't do this or we think somebody across town did this and a lot of us know such and such, you know, there's never, I've never, ever heard anybody talk about, you know, actual, like, belief that he could have did this. The closer there ever been, it's like, I don't really know what happened in this case. And as it came out, people are, you know, the whole prison system were basically like, dude, you know, he shouldn't been here. And he stuck to his guns because I believe he was genuinely telling the truth, not just because I know him, but this is one of them things like I don't know where my life would have went.

Maybe I would have ended up joining gangs by the time I was 18 and got into some bullshit. But I wasn't and I didn't shoot nobody and I wasn't involved in the shooting. So, you know, but I'm going to be guilty of that. And that's exactly what's going to happen to him as that time moves forward with him. So he's never changed that, but they kept them in custody. They kept all three of them. So they charged three again. Ernest, the one we're talking mostly about.

Shalimar, whose trial is key element besides Ernest's own trial. And then Dante is kind of just a third case that comes up. And it's not really a big deal other than to validate what happened in Shalamar Cooper Ryder's trial. And so they charged all three of them. No bond. So they charged all three of them with first degree murder and use of a weapon to come in a felony. And first degree murder is essentially the same all over the country where it has that

element of premeditated. And what they do is they use a felony murder rule, essentially what is called. And the felony murder rule means if a felony occurs, if we can prove any type of felony and somebody dies in any way that can be associated to this felony, that can prove, that proves the first degree murder. That sticks. All other elements are out. Okay. So in like 85, we have this case Shaheed.

No, I know him now as Shaheed. Derek Dixon is his name. In 85, I believe that's the exact year, but it was in the early 80s. He committed burglary when he was like 20. and an elderly lady had a heart attack. So all they needed to do is prove burglary happened, heart attack. First degree murder based on the felony murder rule. He's doing like, he was not 17.

So there was a law. So I say that because juvenile about 15 years ago, they said if they have mandatory life sentences, the mandatory needs to get took off and resentencing. He wasn't 17. He was 20. So that mandatory didn't matter. It stopped. He's still doing life without parole for a burglary at 20.

he's like 50 something and uh yeah and i can't imagine that because you know yes if i'm the if that old that elderly lady was my family member i'm gonna be bitter and angry at him and think he gets what he deserves but if i step the way a burglary where a heart attack happens every community has kids that go and mess around and uh yeah no i understand so easy that's the type of rule that could wrap up anybody's kid and as we know privilege whether you have all the money in the world or not can sometimes not work because somebody now the example needs to be made to show hey we're not doing that nobody should allow something like this to be in the books and it and it's it's it's in the books it's a lot of states have it so okay so so he there was no bond they're not

giving them bond no there first degree how do they have What's the story that the police believe occurred and why do they believe? Like, what's the scenario they're, you know, typically they formulate some kind of a, you know, their theory of the crime. What is their theory of the crime? Yeah. So the theory is these three, Ernest, Shalamar, Dante, went up, met with Larry Perry for whatever reason. And I think they confront them about stolen tires, stolen rims, and gotten into an argument, and then shot and killed young Larry. And then all ran off.

That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the whole gist of the the theory. And do they have anything that puts them there? I mean, they have anything anybody that puts them there. Yep. And so what they'll have is a, uh, uh, individual name. Alexis Fulton. Alexis is like E-X-E. It's a weird spelling of his name.

And I don't know how old he was, but I'm pretty sure he was pretty young, too. And it shows that he went in. They picked him up as a suspect as well. And at some point, he became the individual that could identify people. However, from my understanding is he could not identify the people in the mugshots to start out with.

okay you know and they've they've repeatedly showed these mugshots and i also from my understanding uh one of the lawyers is ernest shallamore and dante's mug shots seem to circulate quite a bit sometimes you know which is goes to that part where you know that starts you know that's probably the person that did it i guess definitely not me right you know i mean i can't imagine to be terrified like oh these people are going to prosecute me whatever they said. And so he becomes, Alexis Fulton becomes the key witness of the state. And what the state does, again, they charge first degree murder and the use of a weapon.

And they said they were going to put them all together to try them at one. But Ernest and his lawyer, as should have happened, we're like, no, because our fates are sealed together. And friends are not, I wasn't with them. You know what I mean? whatever it's going on with them is going on with them i was literally at home playing video games i wasn't with them and i go there to go trial together i'm now fighting a case of what they may been involved in yeah i know a guy that got like 15 years he worked at the place like there were like three guys that are running a place that were like it was like a tax scam

and this guy was making phone calls thinking what he was doing was legal They had him convinced that it was legal. So when they all got indicted, they ended up going to trial. And this guy sat there. He said his name was literally mentioned two or three times during a week-long trial. And when they suddenly found all of them guilty and he gets the same amount of time that everybody else got, even though he was just an employee. But none of those guys took the stand to say, yes, we did it. he doesn't know anything we convinced this guy what he was doing was legal so because of that

he sat with the other guys that are guilty and got the same time he's like they never mentioned my name like i was on the indictment but he's like there's nothing that says i'm a part of any of this other than making calls that i thought were legal phone calls i was telling them what these guys are telling me but you know he didn't take the stand he couldn't take the stand you know he was it was just it's just such a bad situation all the way around like his lawyer was like don't take the stand because if you take the stand then they're going to ask you did you make the calls and you're going to say yes he's like yeah but I can explain why they're like they're not going to care you've already been indicted you know nobody's going to care what that that you thought that like

that's going to sound like a lie of course his lawyer was court appointed he didn't want to be there he don't want to do this he certainly doesn't want to have to prep you and have to spend two days um you know questioning you he wants this to be over as quick as possible But he really just wants to sit beside you and let this case play out and let you go to jail. And that's what happened. We got out like 15 years. But anyway, so I totally get that. So, okay, so what was the next thing that happened?

So the next thing is, because we repeatedly asked, like, how did Ernest end up being tried first? Right. They clearly know his side because he's never changed that. I'm not there. So why I try him first? but they were saying it had to do with the docket number so by being tried first this is the the worst thing that could have happened to him uh besides being charged with this case of course is by being tried first everybody else in their lawyers fifth amendment we're not we got the right

to defend ourselves and we have a murder trial so coming up we're not going to i'm not going to get on the stand i'm not going to say he wasn't there yeah then nobody can say he wasn't there but him and his family who you know again that's family and uh nobody can say you know whatever other scenarios might happen nothing because because his only defense is i'm not there so i don't know what else to say i can't sit there and talk about self-defense or nothing because i don't know nothing about that other than when i'm sitting in jail maybe what i've heard in jail but what good is that i wasn't there i'm not a part of this right and so the other guy gets on the stand Then the other guy, so this Alexis Fulton gets on the stand, and his key testimony is at the time of the shooting, he says, Ernest Jackson, Shalmar Cooper Rider, Dante Chilis, we're all there. I see them argue. I'm looking, I think he said he's like looking through a window. He came there, seeing them, then he was in this building and looking out this window and see them shoot.

Larry, the young man, Larry Perry, shoot and kill him after an argument and run off. He describes what's wearing, some dark clothes, and describes his hair. And I can't remember if it's braids or brush cut, which one version it is. But all them have relevance, because as they're talking, you know, they draw these things out and they go over them, over them. They're not exciting like the movies when you try to read the transcript. But as they're talking, he goes back. he described how he first sees them apparently earlier in the day

they come over Ernest Jalamar and Dante come over arguing with Larry early in the day and Ernest gets mad and pistol whoops Larry, the young man that died.

So that's a key thing because we know there's not many little pistols that don't do damage because them are solid material so apparently he pistol whoops them and there's no evidence of this pistol weapon for anybody I don't know. You're getting hit with the, usually the butt of the gun, boom, like a hammer. And there's no sign of that on his body.

On his body. So that was blatant lie. That was easily proved. And then as we go, we're going to find out in the next trial, which I'll say now, is the clothing he described is what Shalimar Cooper Ryder had on. okay so he's describing someone else right yeah so he's actually describing you know uh another defendant in this case who is a part of this who will you know who is a part of this case you know in one way or another and then there's family members there and a friend and both of

them openly admit and they're with larry and they're like you know we couldn't identify nobody but this guy apparently he could right i don't even know you know i don't know his case because i don't know where he's at or whatnot uh but you don't know and once you're stuck you're stuck you start talking and start admitting the things and starts thinking you're part of this or are lying on somebody and now you're going to trial you know what's going to happen if you start saying like uh yeah i don't really know this stuff Well, I mean, I don't know the story. At this point, too, the, you know, I'm sure he's being told by law enforcement that he's helping them, that you got trust me, you did the right thing, these are bad guys, this is what happened, this is what we believe happened.

We thought, you know, there's lots of evidence against them, but the truth is he, he probably, you know, he has no clue. Yeah. And they also had him picked up first. So, yeah, yeah, he, yeah, he made it in this case and something. Yeah, he made him face and something. himself so so then what so all right so what happens at Ernesto's trial so then the jury with the so they got this first degree which all they got to do is prove that a felony happens in accessory to a homicide is a is a felony and then the gun and what they do is they look at all the evidence as they do

and whatnot and they came back and they believe like we believe you're not the shooter So they acquit them of the gun. However, as horrible as this is, you know, we're giving you a life sentence because there's nothing else that comes with first degree because we believe you were there. Right. You know, you're going to tell us you're there and your family's going to, I mean, you're going to tell us you're not there. Your family's going to tell you you you're not there and we're supposed to believe this. But the prosecution's your little black kid in the hood and another little black kid gets shot in deaf and we know that stuff happens. happens all the time and these guys apparently are your friends like we just believe you're there all right so the prosecutor's saying you did it and we've got a witness that says he was there and saw you do it do they have any other any any other um witnesses no like i said the other witnesses were they said like no nobody could be identified so like we don't really know exactly what happened um so how long was the trial uh

probably a couple days. I don't know how exactly how long it was. I guess one of the other elements that came out is Larry Perry had a gun on it. That'll come into play in the next trial because this trial is just about I'm not there. And this guy saying I'm not there. And then we destroy his testimony. The defense lawyer just, you know, pistol whooping, that's physical. That's a, that's, you know, best thing you can do is where we don't have to debate your words.

you're just lying on the physical the description the hair you got the hair wrong you know he wasn't wearing that but i don't know how we argued that he was just at home right so but as far as countering a witness they did all that but again the jury is like we just believe you're there and that's guilt by association is you know what else we do what i'm thinking is reasonable doubt It means even when you're believing, I don't know. I think you might have been running with your friends, but you got doubt there. You're supposed to be like, man, you got a reason to doubt. Don't stick a person in a box without knowing for sure, especially on this case, but that didn't happen for him.

So, okay, so he's found guilty. He's found guilty. He got guilty of first degree that his sentencing doesn't happen for like a year, but it's man. mandatory it comes first decree comes with mandatory life sentence so there's no doubt about what they're going to give him and about the same time he's about to get sentencing shallamar cooper rider goes on trial and shallamar cooper rider's trial will end the day that ernest jackson is sentenced and everybody's trial has the same judge different different juries of course because that's how that works the same judge so the judge knows what's happened

and all these trial as he sits and does what he does, which is very interesting because Salamar Cooper Rider trial is like something you would put in a movie. Like it's just extraordinary what happens there. You was going to say? I was going to say. So at the other at, okay, what happens at the other trial? Yeah. Okay. Salamar Cooper Rider goes to trial second. He, of course, him and the other defendant who will go later, on uh pled to fit the earnest case you know they try to pull him in but you can't you know ernest has the right to defend himself but that doesn't overcome the right for somebody to say i got the right to remain silent because i got to defend myself as well so they don't he doesn't

get whatever this man has to say so chalimar goes to trial he decides at some point in the trial i'm going to take the stand and so we got another young black man black man from the hood saying he shot another one, going to take the trial from a jury that I'm sure hardly matches his people and tell them what he's going to say, which is I was defending myself with first degree on the table, which to me, you know, I went, I'm, you know, being older, I'm terrified of juries. Somebody charged me with something, no matter what it is, no matter how outrageous it was. And they said, I had to go through a jury.

I'm like, we literally have a body of people that just, you just now taught me the law. This is the law? Okay. That's it. That's what happened to us. We go sit down. They say, here's the rules. Find them guilty or not.

If you think they're guilty, we don't have no way of really questioning you that it wasn't a, a peer judgment of yours. Like, I just think he's guilty. Right. You know what I mean? And that's going to deal with your life. And this young man went and got on the stand and what? he said was him and this is the sum of it and then we can flesh out of detail by him and

larry perry they met up uh gotten an argument about the tire things uh they asked him about a gun he admitted yeah i had a nine millimeter benefited that specifically uh seen larry perry you said i seen he had a gun but it didn't escalate it into that the escalation came when two other individuals showed up and was mad at him and Larry Perry for essentially making the hood hot, I guess, getting stuff, you know, getting a lot of stuff going on. And he said they started yelling at Larry Perry. So Larry, little Larry, that's the young man that died. And he's like, at that point, I was done with it. So Shalamar walks off. And as he's getting down and then I read the transcript and he jumps over a fence. And as he's going down the way, He hears shots. So he hits the deck. This is in his transcript. So somebody else, I was there, but somebody else shot him.

Yeah. After I left. Well, no, no, no. He's saying, they're shooting at me. Oh, I thought they shot him. I thought they continued to argue. Well, that's a curious part is why are they not, I don't, I haven't seen or heard nobody said anything about interrogating these two.

Okay. You know, there's clearly something here. Right. And per this prosecution, they're doing what they're doing, you know, trying to pick and pick at everything. So they verify that this shooting happens between parties in some degree. They verify like the 9mm had reference because one of the things that was said early on is when Larry got shot, there might have been some downward shots into him. but it's very vague on even the prosecutors when they argue now they don't talk about these other shots they just reference them so it's extraordinary vague holy shit can we pause sure i took the work van

fucking shit i was like why is she calling me i took the work van to get rid of stuff from the house the van was stolen high speed chase which you know what that means it's going to come to my door what you said you took the it's the work van so I could get rid of all this drywall that I removed from the house early in the morning the van was stolen in the pursuit and erect and I need to know where you parked it you need to call them I may leave this in you're fine but yeah I just can't believe why you need to call him call him I'm gonna call her real quick but now lucky me I get to fall into one in his face like I don't dude I hope I hope I didn't then she's in a training

here we'll go on and i guess i'll just go down there after this and deal with whatever that is man how does oh man how do i get how i'm getting associated in this stuff oh and i'm not living that life and now i have to worry about like what okay you're still around it so it's the van from the region where i parked it did you the key's not in your purse where's your purse yeah with the big thing it better be all right is this a emergency I have to deal with right right now well did they say that it was broken into or did I left the key in there that would help okay all right all right I'll do it but I'm gonna take a quick

second a run and look see if that key is like all right all right give me two minutes yeah she's man I hope this ain't my fault I don't see the key you know the part where I said how the police the sheriffs came out of door yeah yeah they said that we bought this house in 2020 they they had a picture of somebody clearly shot from the door looking out you just see his back they say they're looking for them they came to my door when i looked at the ring camera because i didn't look at it right off right i just walked i just happened to be by the door so i just started moving that way they covered my ring camera and they went around the house there was three of them but and i know they was on some bullshit

because as soon as i started talking to him and i'm like are you see you know like i don't know this dude i don't even know who you're talking about blah blah blah and then you guys just show up and you know all here but they came together and then they was trying to tell me stuff and then they just left and that's how i knew you guys are on some bullshit and when i looked at the thing later on i'm like holy shit how bad could this it went for me because this is the perfect scenario where something happens if somebody like dude didn't have nothing to do it we just moved funny especially the part where i'm ducking down and thinking about running for no reason and now i'm stuck in something else so who is the who is in the

ring camera they come up on the steps and he has something black and he puts it on like the boop yeah because i put it on tic-toc and apparently that's a i didn't know that was a thing how much cameras get messed on i just be you know how you can go do the green screen i say look what happened to me this morning and i move out the way and i just post the video the sheriff walks up it just covered i know that but you said that they had a picture of the back of somebody yeah yeah yeah somebody that apparently yeah but we bought this house in in 2020. So never seen the person. Still, you know, I thought maybe. I didn't say nothing, but I was like, maybe I would know this person if he's been in and out the system. And,

but I don't know who they're talking about. Right. And they didn't have no reason to believe him because he wasn't never there. So, but they just came to my house just on a humbug and surrounded it because I got a ring camera on the side so I can see them how they approached when I'm looking at it later on. And I'm like, gee, I said, man, you need to approach the first cases like don't let's not do something wrong and treat them like he's guilty maybe we spread out if we think possibly well anyway so i got this i mean you're having bad luck you know you should move to the suburbs and get a job doing people's books you wouldn't have these problems um so what's what's going so what happened what what what what what are we where we're

yeah outside of me having to deal with somebody stole our work man and crashed it in a high-speed chase. They didn't just steal it, and we're just like, where is it at? Well, you got your drywall out of it, right? Yeah. You're good. Yeah. I got tracking to where I was.

The whole book of mileage and, all right, all right, rewind back. So Shalimar goes to trial, his own first degree. Nobody testifies their earnest trial because Ernest went first. They have their own murder trial. Shalomar decides to take the stand, which is, you know, either courageous or really not very intelligent, you know, thought out because you got to convince a jury that not only am I not guilty, but I'm telling you I'm a shooter. He gets up on the stand and says, I have a gun and I shot at them.

Right. So here's, well, okay, yeah, but for a jury, the jury has been given one charge. And they're saying, this is what he's guilty of. it's premeditated murder he went there to kill him and he killed him and so that he goes and says no there's an alternative to that where i was there guys a couple of guys showed up and chased me off and actually shot at me when i you know i jumped the fence and they were shooting at me so he's saying i was there but i didn't kill him so he's giving them an alter he's giving them reasonable doubt right so that's this is felony murder rule which is a theory that says you are you do got that charge but that premeditated is out you just have to believe that a death happens

so if it's no offense it's there's no homicide because he's shooting up there because they don't never there's no talk in the thing about other people killing larry no i i understand but i'm saying so now the jury's being faced with this guy wasn't even there like he showed up but he left and then later someone got killed like he didn't he didn't kill him so they so what's happening is now it's like well I'm sorry they say he went down no I'm gonna let you finish and then I'll clarify a few facts okay I was just going to say so to the jury they're saying well I mean the state is saying that he went there and shot him and killed him he's saying I went there argued with him and got chased off by some other guys they showed up they were angry at him

So I left. And then something, maybe these guys killed him later. Like, I don't know, but I wasn't there. So that's reasonable doubt for the jury. And to me, the jury's like, okay, well, we have an alternative. And the cops or in the state's not saying, doesn't have proof that that's not true. So that's reasonable doubt. So to me, it'd be like, okay, well, then it's not premeditated.

Like, he didn't go there to kill him. He wasn't there when he was killed. So I can't find him guilty of murder. of first-degree murder because he wasn't even there. And the state doesn't have anybody to say that he was there and that he fired the gun. Or do they? They still have Alexis Fulton. He's testifying that everybody.

Oh, he is every single one? So he said, nah, he didn't run. He was there. He got shot. He got shot and killed them. Okay. So he said, yeah. So it's a really confusing case.

but Lexus Fulton now knows everybody including these other people because some of them are friends so my understanding is there's some loose connection between him and the other two that are identified here as you know coming into the argument but when Larry Perry leaves he says yeah I thought they were shooting at me so I hit the ground and then they were like you know clarifying did you shoot back and he's like yes I turned and shoot back and I think I've seen somebody go down but they were shooting at me right then i get up and i run so potentially did he shoot up there and hit the dude right but that still would have been it would have been an accident it would have been it still would have been defense to somebody shooting at you right right and

i would yeah yep so but part of the things is they they they keep eluding to somebody took shots at Larry Perry and maybe another gun when he's close. Nobody, nobody ever, that I ever seen these other two people become suspects in this crime. That turns out not to be a crime because it's based on Shalamar Cooper Ryder shooting and killing and then maybe his friends. They ask him about Ernest. He says Ernest wasn't there, Dante wasn't there, the other two co-defendants. Okay. And they say, well, we know there was other people present.

he's like yeah they weren't with nobody we was up here and they came in and was pointing at me and him talking about we're making all this noise and stuff's happening with tires around the thing and you're bringing all this heat in or whatever and I'm like yeah I'm not part of this now I'm bouncing and then they take shots at me I hit the deck I take shots back and then I run so that's the essence of his things the jury gets to look at all that and they say based on the evidence and with all this testimony, self-defense, as you said. There's that other scenario, and it matches what we see and believe. Self-defense, which is, it means not a procedural default, meaning like somebody messed with something

or somebody made a lawyer made a mistake and your case gets overturned or a new trial or something. It's the actual part of what we hear of trials where it's a person guilty or not, and you're not guilty for defending yourself. Right. So he's not guilty in charge of first-degree murder. So the answer is not guilty because there's no other charge they could charge it with. Not like they could say manslaughter. He accidentally killed the guy.

That's not even on the table. There's no other charges. None. So have they charged him with assault or manslaughter and first-degree, they could have given him different variations, but they only gave him one choice. and he doesn't fit that choice. So it's not guilty, period. Not guilty.

That's kind of like the Casey Anthony thing, right? Like she was given, like they gave the jury one charge. It was, you know, it was first to remurter. She killed the girl, meant to kill her, buried the body. They could have given her man, you know, they could have also said, or it could be manslaughter. They would have probably found her guilty of manslaughter. What they said was, you're saying for sure, do we know? that she premeditated, murdered her daughter.

We don't know that. Like, there are other options. Right. And you didn't give us the ability to charge her with anything less, so she's not guilty. Prosecutors fuck up when they do that. Yeah. Because they think it's all or nothing.

Yeah, they think it's all or nothing. So a lot of times they'll be like, that's our only charge. He's definitely guilty of something. Maybe not this, but fuck it. It's the only thing we can do. So they charge him with the first degree murder. yeah and they also don't know what he's facing yeah so they're probably thinking oh he's probably

only faced in five or ten years and then they find out he gets life and they're like oh wow i didn't know that but i'm sorry go ahead no no that yeah i never thought about that with the casey cases yeah they put it all they're like yeah you know people are like they're like well we think she did something but we don't know for sure that she made to kill her daughter. We think maybe she was trying to just get her to go to sleep and pass out so that she could go out parting and she gave her too much chloroform or maybe she accidentally suffocated or, you know, like, it could be anything.

We don't know 100% that it was premeditated murder. So then it becomes, okay, well, that's your only charge. Well, then the answer is no, not guilty. And people are like, and then they're screaming, you let her go. Wait a second. You're telling me she's, I had to. be sure she was guilty of this. I'm not. I could have charged her with manslaughter. I could have charged her with, you know, assault. I could have charged her with child endangerment. Like, there's

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But a lot of time, that's what they do. People are so outraged, they figure, well, we'll only give them one option and they'll take it because they don't have another option. And they think she did something. We don't know for sure it's this, but this is our only charge, so give it to her. And the truth is, as in Casey's case has shown, you know, basically publicly, people believe she's guilty or something. Yeah, I definitely think they did was like, we're just trying to get you to say what you said. Reasonable doubt shows me when you say first degree and premeditated, and that's all that's on the table is that premeditated part.

Like what we don't know, we don't necessarily believe it. So everybody thinks, now that you say that, I can see the scenario, everybody thinks it's like, oh, you just let her walk. Like, no, the only thing they left us to say is we're going to ignore our reasonable doubt that it wasn't premeditated. Right. You're saying that she came home, you're saying that she thought about killing her daughter, came home, executed her daughter, buried her daughter. Like, I don't think that's what happened. Do I think she was involved? Do I think that she, you know, obviously I don't think her father killed her.

I don't think she accidentally drowned. Maybe she did. I don't think so. But I think she probably did give her something. maybe she gave her chloroform maybe she you know and she gave her too much and she ended up you know suffocating and died or you know but i don't think she's trying to kill her because i just don't see that you know uh but she definitely think she did something to that girl which is you know manslaughter she should go to prison for five to ten years maybe 15 even

but i don't think that she sat there one day and said you know i'm going to kill my daughter yeah that's what i'm going to do yeah she's the pain in the ass because the truth is you could have given your your parents are basically raising her anyway and so give her that's what this felony murder rule does is it overrides that because earnest so they have two charges but one's the gun using the gun when they said we don't believe you use the gun they're saying we don't believe you're the shooter but because of this felony murder rule we just got to believe a felony have And we believe somebody shot and killed this young man.

We believe you was with them. That's just, we didn't know it was going to be self-defense because the same rule applies the here. So they could have just charged him like, you had a gun. And if you got any other felony on your record, that's a felony. You had assaulted him. Maybe they, I don't think he said he hit him or nothing because, well, I mean, he said that happened earlier in the day with earnest.

It's like you and I hook up, we're hanging. out one day you know we're walking around you're you're you're showing me that yeah this happened this happened a couple of guys come up they they bump into us that we get into an argument one of the guys is like I'll kill you bro you pull your gun out and you execute them and then you take off running and then I'm freaking out so I don't stick around I leave because it's a bad neighborhood I take off the cops come they they put me on trial because I'm with you you killed the guy I didn't kill the guy like I can't take the stand because I'm a felon so I don't want them to bring up all my felonies

and so what happens is I go to trial and now I got a life sentence because I didn't know you had a weapon on you I didn't know you were to shoot these guys I don't know anything about this some guy gets on the stand and says yeah man I looked out the windows they were all arguing that guy Cox was there

yeah he definitely I saw him shove one of the guys what the hell and the jury only has one choice one choice all or nothing right and that I knew there was a gun

yeah like I didn't know there was a gun but who's going to believe me and I can't take the stand yeah and so when Salamar gets acquitted so he gets acquitted later on

has to go to sentencing same judge so same judge gets to see somebody get acquitted for her heard and heard that nobody places Ernest there. Yeah, because he was asked early on, like, who was there? And then when he was like, you know, I went myself at this time. And then the other two came in.

They were like, what about Ernest Jackson and Dante Chilis? And he's like, neither was there. And that got brought up a couple times. And he no longer has a reason to defend Ernest. He can say he's there because what else is going to happen to Ernest. He's guilty of first degree murder now. Yeah, if he was going to put him there, That was the time to do it.

And I'm going to tell you the truth. It's amazing that anybody could get off with first degree just from being in the hood and saying, you know, I got an argument. Some guys came at me. I ran. They took some shots. I took some shots. Somebody up there got killed and somebody trying to say I did it, like that I'm the murder. Like, no, I didn't do this.

Like, man, dude, I'll be thinking like, don't say nothing, bro. You're going to be fighting for your life right now. And do you want a jury to hear you say you did it? Well, you want to hear the jury admit one, you were there and two, you had a gun. And three, you fired the gun. You fired the gun. Like all of these are bad. In a jury's mind, it's like this guy's a lunatic.

Give them first degree. And if people need that different context of that, just think of this jury is all strangers to you. So no matter what they're making, if your life's on the line, do you want all strangers to be weighing judgments on you? And you're looking over there like, do they already think I did it? Because I'm charged. When you get charged, people think, what did you do? Yeah. Now I'm going to sit there and tell you all the elements you need to help you.

But that's not what happened. Yeah, I had a gun. Yeah, I fired the gun, as you said, you know. But that's not how it happened and hope I can go home. Because I will never go home if you find me guilty here. Right. And I might have shot the guy. Because they were shooting at me.

I may have shot the guy because they were shooting at me. Yeah. Like, he didn't admit it. a shot him. He's damn sure may have shot him. But it was self-defense. So, yeah, I, okay. So, so, so, so Ernest goes to, I'm sorry, yeah, Ernest goes to sentencing, same judge.

Yeah, they put a pill in and try to, you know, pill to conviction because like, look. And they're like, you know, this is what I got to do. And life sentence. Judge gives them a life sentence, 17-year-old. Well, he's 18 by now. Yeah, he's turning 18 as this is, this all is going. But he was 17 the whole time through his trial and everything. Yeah.

And then as that's, as he's moving into the system, of course, he's putting a pill in and then pills take a while. But in the meantime, third trial, Dante Chilis, Shalimar Cooperiter testifies, you know, because his case is over. Same thing. He doesn't change testimony. and they acquit Dante Cheles. He testified that he wasn't there. Yeah, he just said the same thing. He said in his own trial when he was fighting for his life.

And he went up and so, and again, yeah, I had the same judge, but different jury. And that matters because now there's a different group of strangers listening to your things thinking, well, this one's saying he's shooting. And now he's trying to say his buddy's not there. I don't think they have the right to, you know, this is not like a big old public thing. This is a shooting in the neighborhood. This is a normal, you know, as horrible as that sounds. This is just a normal street crime. Right.

You know, so there's not like, oh, we know about this stuff. We know about this crime. So, you know, separate jury, separate people, obviously, hearing the whole case for the first time. And they also believe the young man that testified Shalimar Cooper writers, like, this is what happened. And to start out with, he wasn't. there what happened because you know the prosecutor's going to like drag that out so we

can so that they can hear all these dirty details and hear it differently but they didn't they heard it they was like no we don't believe he was a part of it so it wasn't even about a self-defense at this time it's about was he because shallomar's presented I was involved in this in this capacity he wasn't there that's what they're voting on to now all they got to do is like do we believe this or not and then they yes they did So he was like, yeah, not guilty. So there's that bider of being in the front of that line, meant nobody could, you know, the person that actually there

and has some active involvement in it, it's not going to say nothing because he's fighting for his own life. And now I'm fighting to get out of this. I have hope, Ernest, because he got acquitted a self-defense. One, he said it wasn't there and he's quitted his self-defense. So Shalimar is acquitted. he's not guilty and what's the other guy's name dante chillis dante's also found not guilty not guilty so had ernest gone to trial the third as the third person at this time and had shallamar gotten on the stand

and said the same thing since he's already said his story twice and gotten two um not guilty verdicts then it's reasonable that Ernest would have also gotten a not guilty. Yep, yep. And then there's that element that if they're just, because again, I've seen no, I found nothing, nor heard anybody I've talked to that there's investigation, have ever done on these other two individuals. They're just sticking with, well, well, we don't know what else to say, but that guilt is convicted.

and so Shalamar is still the shooter right because they never put nobody else in a scenario they just keep sticking with Ernest we got Ernest so we got him this is we got Ernest that was with Shalimar that's already been found that he that not guilty we've we've we found earnest guilty of being at a first-degree murder that has already been found to not have been a first-degree murder. Right. Yeah, because when the person we're saying is a shooter and the killer is acquitted to self-defense, it means murder didn't happen at all.

It's not a homicide. It's a shooting death. It's a tragedy, but it's not a criminal. Which means now he's an accessory to a non-crime. Because they have put it in the gun. They didn't say we think he was doing some of that shooting. Right. So you're not even saying that he had the gun.

He was found not guilty of that. So what, what does the court of appeal to do? Well, they immediately let them go, didn't they? Yeah, because, you know, they're going to do the right thing. Right, right. Yeah, I've watched law and order. I watch law and order. No.

They walked up in there and was like time to go home and everybody was happy. And no, he packed his bag. That warden told me he was sorry. The prosecutor drove him home, apologized to his mother and his aunt, said, I'm sorry, I took your baby away from you for the last three or four years. My bad. we're going to try and work some kind of a deal out cut you a check yeah i know how it is they're they're good people yeah it's amazing this this uh legal system is like this is like one of the

prime cases that i've seen is like man well they'll use words and take your life with words and that's what they did in the court of appeals they said the testimony of shallamar cooper writer because that's what he's saying it's like dude look he's saying i'm not there he got to quit He went home. This is the whole case, but I wasn't there. Right. That's all I know. That's all you should know is this testimony came out, a bunch of new stuff.

This guy laid out the case. He was part of it. Right. Unlike me. I'm only a part of it because you put a charge on me. Right. At the very least, that's a new trial. Yep.

So that's what they do is they say new trials require the language. We'll do the air quote thing. Newly discovered evidence. right? That's the word, newly discovered evidence equals new trial. And their argument is not newly discovered evidence. The legal language they use is it's newly available language. We believe whatever this man's testimony was available to you. But it wasn't. He took the fifth. But he took the fifth. So we have right here is what some of us been talking about is the battle of constitutional rights could actually hurt somebody. And in this case, you know, snatch up your

youth and all that and you're in prison for 20-something years because they're saying, I have the right when I'm on defense to know that, hey, there's testimony over here that, you know, I can subpoena police and put them on the stand. I could subpoena, you know, regular citizens and put them on a stand, except if they say, I have to defend myself and I have the right to remain silent because it might incriminate me. And so I'm not going to testify at your trial because I might end up with a charge or in this case, I'm not going to testify to your trial because I have murder charges, which I can lose my life. And I have a trial that I need to focus on not the here to come over here so people can change the wordings or like, oh, that's how he's coming at it or whatever they want to do. strategically the lawyer is like I'm doing what's in your best interest so he his lawyer is like he's not going to testify right yeah because he's representing his client yeah yeah sorry you're

going first but that's not our concern my concern is my client shallamar's not going to testify and so that's what the court appeal says is that he doesn't have the right to this testimony of this is like saying some i got charged with all these weird murders all over town i'm in prison. Oh, guy confesses. Oh, you can't get that. You kind of knew that guy that confess. That was new, not newly developed, no discovery. Because since you knew the guy, maybe you knew what he was going to say. Yeah, but I can't, I can't even personally testify that. That guy's going to say he was acting in self-defense and he did it. Well, what is that adding about you? Nothing, because I wasn't there. He has nothing. So the language is newly discovered equals new new, new trial, newly available

equals nothing and by putting that they killed all testimony to be used by him so did he appeal it to the state supreme court yeah first he went through the court of appeals he went through the you know this whole appeal process and why wouldn't he because he didn't do anything even to this day you're you're probably still thinking like how did that not get me out right not probably he is like how did that not get me out of prison how did somebody get go up and say I'm the shooter and go home because the jury is like yeah but you didn't act criminally and I sit there because the belief is I was present right so but okay so what did the state Supreme Court say uh they all agree once that once that was that's how it got it that

that's that's now a thing in our laws is newly discovered newly available this this this has started getting argued in the courts because uh the jackson case happened in 99 i on my gang stuff and all my bullshit i was involved in a lot of shit terrible stuff that i'm i feel like that's where i'm at now is kind of my walk of paying back is what i'm doing with my life now right i just did some time and let me live and that's cool let me live a good tax paying and take care of family and not cause trouble cool i think that's great that's most of your success examples. I chose to be in the community and volunteering and putting in work and now think of where I'm going with. I like the ramble, I guess. Right. I get it. So you're now you're kind

of an advocate for earnest. Ernest because nobody talked about it. This happened. He didn't even talk about it. I knew I got to meet him in prison. I only seen one time when he first went to the prison and they were talking about the case on news. He was in another prison. Didn't know him. Like, okay. Then he came over, and I was reading, trying to figure out how to get out of my case, because I was guilty of my stuff. Right.

My stuff happened a little wishy-washy the second time. I went twice. I shot another gang member. I did do that. I didn't kill him. Thank God, because now I would have to live with that. But I did do that. And then the next time was a robbery that I got called and I got involved in.

And I did do that, but I lived a lot of time inside thinking, No, dude snitched on me. That's all I could think about. Not about what my part was because the dude that told, set it up, called me down. Please, I get shot up. I get what I deserve in the case. Yeah, it was internal house busted in the home invasion, the worst type of robbery without, like, sexually assault and, you know,

murder happening in the case. Worst I could think about it, you know, you kick somebody, somebody kicks your door in, when does your house ever feel secure again? You can have a hundred guns, but people just kicked your door in, yeah I always think about that like you're sitting there doing the right thing and some guy comes and just kicks in your door like and that's what we did to somebody and that's what you know and living a different life I think about that I actually got the people a couple of them called me because it was situation and I just did what I believe is the right thing is go and whatever they got to say you don't defend yourself you be honest and you know whatnot and I think that helped a little but the stories they told me is like Usually think about trauma like, yeah, that was traumatic, but it happened like 20 years ago. And they're talking about they spent like 10 years, you know, can't trust the door locks, had to move out in the country.

I'm like, you know, all because of what we did. Right. Yeah. So anyways, so I'm inside looking at my case back to Ernest. And I had met him, so I knew him around the yard. And I read his case. And I was like, dude, this is the first. You are in prison for a non-crime.

because you can't have murder if the shooter is acquitted of self-defense right and he was like wait what because he told me later home when I talked to him he's like dude I never thought about it being non-crap all I could think is like dude I wasn't there and the guy said it and why is that how is that can't get out I can't get out of this thing and I'm like you know so that thing comes so I get out in 2016 and I'm just half and 2020 happens we all know what that is COVID and George Floyd and then here in Nebraska it got kind of hectic too little Nebraska but there was a point where the senators agreed to have open hearings where people can your grievances your stories whatever and I chose to talk about that case I talked about Derek Dixon and Ernest Jackson because these are both

falls under that felony murder rule right one burger eyes a house lady had a heart attack by sentence. Ernest Jackson, you know, as we're talking, the shooter is acquitted of and still in prison, 20-something years later. And that opened the door up again because, and then we did a whole bunch of advocacy and now it's moving again. And when it gets moving, it got some cases in the courts, like some senators, a particular two senators, but one senator put it forth, Senator Wayne and Terrell McKeown Kenny are really big advocates on this and they put some bills to try to, you know, change a little bit of this language like, hey, right, you know, we have a confession.

Right. And the argument is always opposed every time by the prosecutor's office and all that. Every time there's like no give because their biggest thing is what if this opens the floodgates and thousands of appeals come in? It's one or two guys. It's one or two guys. The law was written so that it goes before a judge, he looks at what you present, and then he decides, should this be a new trial or not. So that's the gatekeeper, it's like the judge gets to look at it and decide, but why would you not ever have a process that always reviews to make sure something else ain't changed?

Right. But that's where we talked about the system. Once we got you, we are not interested in omitting our mistakes or whatnot. No, no, no. The justice system isn't really about justice. So what do you think their fear? I understand that their argument is, what if it opens up the floodgates and thousands of people are let go? They know for a fact that's not going to, that's not going to happen. Are you, you think that their concern is that if they were released, they would be able, they would open up their ability to sue them? Yeah, Beatrice Six. I've never heard it said, but after that Beatrice 6, that's the people that confessed, didn't confess, and then they got, they talked to them and talked to them, and then they confessed all on tapes and recordings and stuff. And then 20 years later, however that broke, they all got out and then they sued successfully. And then the county was like, bankrupting us.

And people were like, why do we have to pay them? And so even if they're, they don't really care, like, we got plenty of money. We could throw this dude like $10 million and he'll be good. It's no big, no, they care politically, you know, what's it look like? And we've been, and they've been sticking their guns, like, he did something. We feel he did something. He wouldn't be in jail if he didn't do something. And that works.

It doesn't work on the mass of us, because a lot of us are out here of different political sways and whatnot. And like, dude, there's something they, this is just, you know, some of us just see it. It's pretty clear that reasonable doubt minimum was there all day long. But once that person confessed, you don't. keep anybody in prison for somebody's confession to be in a shooter and they go home. But you're doing that here. So why is that a fight?

Well, you know, like you said, I mean, like you said, I mean, it's, you know, obviously it's political and it's political and obviously, you know, they are concerned, I'm sure, you know, about being sued. So, I mean, it's probably a combination of two. Yeah. But what, what always kills me is that that, that. prosecutor sleeps knowing all of this

sleeps like a baby at night he tells himself every night that what he's done is the right thing and he feels good about it like that they go and they lay down at night and they think they're making the world a safer place

by putting some 17 year old in prison for the rest of his life who didn't do anything who was playing video games games. Your biggest problem is what you did to end up with a life sentence was hang out with your cousin and play video games. That's my crime. I was playing video games with my cousin and somebody else named me. That's my, that's my crime. That's it. That's it. He had an opportunity to get out, Ernest Jackson. They had an opportunity to let him out and change this. It did change

some. So Alabama versus Miller is the federal case, I believe, or state case, whatever, that expanded in what it said is the court ruled saying, we believe that when it comes to juveniles, that when we have a sentencing structure that they fall under that says mandatory life. So that means the judge doesn't have no other. When you're guilty of this, mandatory means you don't get to say, like, no, I think there's a little difference in this scenario or you're really young and I believe in 10, 15 years, it'll be a different person, none of that. And so that affected states all over the country. Right. And so as time was ticking, people were going to get re-sentence.

And Ernest in like 2014, 15, I don't remember exactly what year, he got a chance to go resentence because I remember everybody in, I was still inside going home, you know, he's going home. Right. You know, he's not going to get, you know, acquitted. are vindicated because it's a resentencing. It's not a re-trial, but at least you can go home and do this fight on the street. They're going to give. What happened was the prosecutor went up there and said, none of that testimony of the other man doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. He was convicted of a first-degree murder, and we are here for a resentencing based on the mandatory language. You can give him life. You can give him a hundred years, whatever, but he's convicted a first-degree murder. That person that they're trying to talk about, you know, he got acquitted because he said Ernest wasn't there

and said he did the shooting and the jury, whatever. You know, none of that matters. You know, I'm definitely paraphrasing. Right. But those were definitely said very dramatic about that. And you know what the argument was? In fact, when you look at this, you should look at it and remember, he has like a couple hundred misconduct reports over the past.

15, 16, 17 years. So because he was in prison and he's not a, he's not an, you know, a perfect inmate because he didn't make his bed or because he argued with the, huh? Maybe he even got in a fight because here's the bigger thing about the misconduct reports. It's not just about us saying they're all petty. We're talking about we're all going to a place where the, the whole, environment is survival mode. Yeah.

Even in little old Nebraska. I've been there, people have been drugged and raped, people been assaulted, people have been killed in our system, you know, in arguments. Everything's survival mode. Yeah, you have days where everything's cool, but then you have days where them guys are thinking like, yeah, I don't like who you hang out with. Association will do you there. And unlike myself, I was like 18, 19 when I went in.

but so I was close enough but 17 that's how his whole life has lived right and supposed to be happy about it let me be a good you don't get good 17 years old out here and they have misconduct like we said for everything I seen you get a soup from somebody misconduct report you got extra socks in your cell I don't care what the weather is outside you double up on stuff misconduct report oh you want to talk to me misconduct report oh it's not like you was threatened me going to the hole you know what I mean? Listen, I know guys that got shots for looking at a female officer too long. Like the guy's not, he's not like he's doing anything.

He's literally 30 feet away and just glanced at her. And she said, what are you looking at? He said, oh, I was just looking at you. I wouldn't mean to, oh, okay, wrote an incident report. He goes what? He called it. We used to joke, you were reckless. eyeballing.

Yeah. You know, like, all the terminology. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, and here's the thing, like, a lot of those shots you can fight and maybe get them turned, turned over. But the truth is, if you got a life sentence, what do I give a shit? Write it.

What do I care? Because you got to live, you got to find a way to adjust in there. Right. I don't, I don't, I don't, you, you want me to respect the rules because it says me and my buddies can't get together and make some burritos because we're now exchanging items. And maybe that's a drug. deal like dude i'm doing years i don't need life sentence i'm doing years we're gonna we're gonna get together and do that any damn way i got to not say nothing when this guy's talking crazy to me or this

guy takes swings at me i'm gonna take swings back i'm in here i got to survive and now you're like hey maybe we should do a different sentence and we're saying like hey i shouldn't be doing that sentence at all but we're gonna argue about the sentencing and then your your review is look at all the time he got in trouble. This little juvenile that we grew up in our system, and now we're our argument trouble. And the judge, what he say? Agreed. He not only agreed. There was a specific statement he made because remember Ernest was 17, close to turn in 18. And he said something about if it was but a couple of months, we wouldn't even be here, essentially saying if you would have been 18 when this would have happened, you'd still be doing life without parole

because I wouldn't have to hear your case because this only applies to juveniles. So what they do, they gave him, I believe it's 60 to 90 years, 60 to 80 years. That was their doing right. So he does have a parole date and I think 2029 because that's like 30 years later. Yep, from 1999. But now there's this whole political thing about him, like, you know, me thinking I'm doing, I brought this out and then I got it into the right hands and people are starting to do stuff with it. I'm thinking I'm doing them a favor. And now I'm wondering if I turned him into some sort

of political prisoner where everybody plays games with his life rather than just the picture that I thought I was seeing that I thought other people would see us like, yeah, this somebody doesn't belong in prison. Right. It doesn't matter. Like here's the thing. It doesn't matter whether he got some disciplinary shots or not. He's not supposed to be in prison. It's like saying, it's like saying you know we're going to charge you with murder and because you know okay well maybe we didn't maybe you didn't commit the murder but you did something like you were there or you drove the getaway car yeah that you didn't charge me with that you charge me with this and I'm innocent of that like so you want to charge me with you oh well we found out that

you know you sold drugs a couple of times and so well then go back and charge me with the drugs right they don't talk you me with this something I did right right try you're something I did or some of you alluding that I did at least

right not this yeah yeah because this is right yeah now you have a whole other things

you're not going to be on the wrong side to say okay we didn't know all that until that guy got up so we're going to you know but instead

they're just sick that you have listen that that state attorney and that judge don't want him in front of a camera saying the judge knew that these other two people had been acquitted,

I'm sorry, acquitted, acquitted, you know, they, you know, he knew that, he gave me a life sentence anyway, he knew there was no evidence, he knew, and let's face it, two juries found their only eyewitness uncredible. Yep. Right? If they, if they, if they acquitted those two guys, that means that they didn't believe the, the state's eyewitness. So the same state eyewitness that my jury found credible, two other jurors found

uncredible because they had a witness that disputed his eyewitness testimony, which I wasn't allowed. So regardless, that judge knew that, the secondary judge could have dropped it. The prosecutor sleeps like a baby saying, oh, I took this 17-year-old video game and playing motherfucker off the street. You never play a video game again. um you know like i mean what what does he tell himself but that's that's what happens is these guys get to be they think they're infallible and they they get these god complexes and everybody

else is just a pawn to be moved around yeah yeah i guess i guess well not i guess what should be added is cases uh because one reason we don't hear from dante chileas or shallamar cooper writer, the other two that were, you know, as we've been speaking about, Chalamars, the one that got acquitted, Dante got acquitted based on Chalemar's testimony. You know, I did this in self-defense, blah, blah, blah, blah, is about four or five years later, both get shot and killed in different situations, different things that are unsolved deaths. So both of them are deceased in shooting death. And I'm really curious on that because I'm like, you know, I don't know what happened. This is all speculation. But first, he identified one person by name and one as the friend.

And he said other people that were identified in their probably know the friend's name. Like, where's the investigation of these other guys? They just picked these three and wouldn't get off of it. then some many years later they get murdered maybe that's not connected however when you get on the stand even when you're defending yourself and you're saying somebody else is there that potentially could have done something you just fingered that person right they in the person's living the life and they're drastically changed their life they always remember like this dude almost put me in prison because if that would start looking into this as easily as they put earnest in prison i might be next but for some

reason as you said the prosecution once we got our scenario we if we start bending that bending our theory of these three then we start breaking up the reality that we created that it's just got something to do with them three and the jury now the jury if they would have convicted them a murder as they did earnest would have been like that see that's how the court works and it works right everybody however now it's kind of like suddenly there was something wrong with this jury which it takes a lot more to to acquit somebody than it does to convict somebody in our system oh yeah especially of something you know based on testimony it's based on a little bit of the evidence you know they had the shooting they had all the evidence that i have yet to see some of

this stuff but so i don't think that i don't for one moment doubt that they went back there and just like I don't want to put somebody in jail or you know what. They had a full discussion. They looked at stuff and they was like, this is what we got to do. And they did what they were supposed to do, the right thing in that case. Absolutely believed that's what happened. It wasn't like, man, I don't feel good about this, but I really feel like he was there. Right.

I get this guy saying he pistol up this guy and there's no evidence of this, but I don't know. This guy's words all over, but I still feel like he's there. and they was able to come together and convict earnest for that. Much easier for somebody to just like, yeah, this is terrible, you know, but we got to do this. Then they sit there and say, we're going to say not there. There's family probably crying because they only got the scenario that these three killed. Larry Perry, that's all they get from the prosecutor. So what do they think in their whole life?

That these are responsible. These are the individuals responsible. And they're getting away with now stuff. Well, so what, what's up with the case now? Where is it staying now? So it had several bills that have been put the past three years. As I said, the change of language opposed every year, Attorney General, and then there's a political divide. They just keep saying, and there was actually a hearing last year where they took it to the floor after they had the hearing where you could speak, where the community could speak, they take it to their floor.

and repeatedly there was reference to that young man or Ernest Jackson however I can't support this bill it might open up the floodgates it might you know look at what they're saying it's like this bill to have all these people

just weighing down our systems with the pills now you know what I mean I'm like better he should in prison for the rest of his life than to do the right thing and have to do a little extra work and nobody even blinks at that because you would think, like, at some point we would have a system where there shouldn't

be tape, red tape all over. It would be like, man, this is really, you can believe what you want to believe, but there's evidence that the shooter, before a jury, before a legal judge, with his whole life on the line, so there's no benefit, you know, there's no sneaky stuff of him trying to, I'm immune to stuff. Everything's on the line when he does this. Can't bet the testimony any better. If you want to take a statement and say, we want to make sure the statement is good,

we take a statement from a trial where your life is on the line to make this statement. That's what happened with Shalamar Cooper. I can't bet it better. And go and do something. Like, hey, the end. Like, release him. But we don't have that. That's a movie.

We have a thing that's like the law says. So essentially what we have is the showing kind of what we've referenced. earlier of or what I referenced I'll put that but I say Nazi Germany because it's deeper than people just think like oh why would you compare us the Nazis because there was a process there that got them there it wasn't a bunch of evil Germans running around participating it was a system that went in a place and it was legally put Hitler didn't just come in and steal the country under you know illegally that stuff kept building and they kept giving rules and laws for him to do stuff and then he started warping it and people fell in the line because you know what do

I'm doing but at least there if I do something I might end up executed here you get ousted from your political spot or people talk about you know you're not getting executed per se for the most of us you know I'm sure that there are cases of you know the civil rights movement and people got executed but I'm saying like there your neighbor points over there and like they're not following the law and you might end up in that same concentration camp the next day we don't even have it that hard yet and we can't even overturn this rule of law that says sorry it was written this so sorry yeah that's horrible system to have we're getting there we're getting there it's not it's not people in yeah except for people in power um okay so you're saying

there have been several are there any other bills are they coming up again or what's happening? We had a bill this year. Very interesting bill because this time the senators were really asking questions. And the chief prosecutor that's been the chief prosecutor in Douglas, that's our big county in Omaha. Don Klein, they asked them finally at the end because he was just like, nope, nope, I believe he could have done something.

I believe he did something. I don't blah, blah, blah. I don't believe in this other testimony. You know, he's saying all that stuff. but the senator said, do you believe you ever been involved in the case or in the cases, you know, put somebody that didn't do it, somebody that might have been innocent in prison? He's like, no, never. Never, never made a mistake because I'm superhuman is essentially. It's like, that's the worst person to have power is somebody that says, I don't believe so, but, you know. Yeah, saying it's not even complicated. It's not possible that I'm fallible. Yeah, he said never. Well, I mean, that should have been enough for the senators right there. That should have been enough for them to know, okay, now, this may be that case. Ernest gets a new trial.

Are you going to challenge it? He's like, yes. It's just, they just, it's scary, as you said, that they could even sleep comfortably. That there's no, like, let's put a task team together and do a little bit more investigation in this case. Well, I think it's, I think that you just become desensit. you know being a prosecutor to the point where it's an it's all or nothing it's you know us against them type of thing yeah but well yeah anything else on this well we continue to advocate for them we got some things happening now there's the best thing that's happened is

there's a community and there's a growing community that are uh finding out about this and looking for ways to, you know, try to get this pushed through some way, some form, some fashion, because even, as we said, now he has a parole date. Let's say he gets, let's say for some reason they're like, we don't want to hear about all that stuff. We're just going to give you parole because we believe you're, but he's still got to do 30, 40, whatever amount of years on parole as a person guilty of this crime. The problem is, too, the parole board, a lot of times they don't want to give you parole unless you admit to what you did he's going to go in front of them be like i didn't do it they're going to be like oh he hasn't learned his lesson let's keep him in prison

like people don't realize that they're like oh well he'll get parole no it's not guaranteed and one of the big things they want you to do is say i did it and a lot of these guys get up in there and they're like i didn't do it and they're like oh yeah he's not he's not ready to be paroled so you may never get parole yeah um sorry no i was just going to say and he's now he's in that news scenario where they could just be like, we actually got a two-edged sword here. One, exactly what you said. You got to admit guilt before we'll give you parole. But let's say Ernest is like, you guys broke me. So I'm going to go up there and say everything they want just to get out. I'm going to say how I did this and I did that. Right. And then they sit there and be like,

we're well aware of your case. And now you're just going to come up here and lie because we know you're not telling the truth. We know, you know, and then he's like, you know, that's the scenario. They have because he chose that route instead of this route. So there's no winning if they choose to do what they do. And the fear is, they probably will. What about the Innocence Project? They're involved. There's a, yeah, it's been involved before and struggle with it.

And now there's that, I don't know which one, just got involved. There's a pro bono lawyer, Daniel Gutman. He's also a professor at UNL. He's going to, he's working on the Casey in some angles. He's very great because he's in the community. so he gets involved with those of us out here that are trying to do what we do. And so there's some elements involved. It's that legal thing.

Because as long as everybody sticks, as long as the words of the court says this, nobody can do nothing. Listen, I appreciate you talking to me about it. You know, one of my guys made a comment that, hey, you know, that you need to talk to Jason about the, about Ernest, you know, case and the Ernest Jackson case. and you know super interesting and I um so he actually got me your information he's one that got me your information oh no I guess he gave you my information yes your email I think it was dusty right so dusty yeah so I pretty listen I appreciate it I appreciate you coming on hey if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button uh hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this share the video also um I'm going to leave uh

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Available now on Amazon and Audubor. Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old, Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury-year-old. European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the organized crime drug enforcement task force entered the picture. Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Racini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement,

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And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible. Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic con man

against an egotistical, pathological liar. Marcus Schrenker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer, Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud.

Shrinker lays out the details, the disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night. the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his stories of fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, Khan's Shrinker into revealing his deceptions,

his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels. This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. bailout, the life and lies of Marcus Shringer, available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible. Matthew B. Cox is a conman, incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem,

Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as Ardap. A drug program in name only. Ardap is an invasive behavior modification therapy, specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy, which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit. While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox, simultaneously. simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way.

The program. How a Conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of Ardap. Available now on Amazon and Audible. If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.