Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Innocent Man Sentenced to 60+ Years | Earnest Jackson
Episode Date: December 9, 2024Earnest Jackson was tried and convicted for the 1999 murder of Omaha man Larry Perry. Following his 60-80 year sentence conviction, two other men were also arrested for the crime. Jason Youtube Page ...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3k6Qb0C1y_kbkZhdpH5kMg Follow me on all socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattcoxtruecrime Do you want to be a guest? Send me an email here: insidetruecrime@gmail.com Do you want a custom "con man" painting to shown up at your doorstep every month? Subscribe to my Patreon: https: //www.patreon.com/insidetruecrime Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8 Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438 The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402 Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1 Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel! Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here: Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69 Cashapp: $coxcon69
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He said, Ernest just came out the house and, like, saying it's going to be okay, Mom.
And he went into custody of the police in 99.
And now we're in 2023, and he's never been out of that.
Right.
Ever from the age of 17.
Al-Amar decides to take the stand, which is, you know, either courageous or really not very intelligent, you know, thought out because you got to convince a jury that not only am I not guilty.
but I'm telling you, I'm a shooter.
He gets up on the stand and says, I have a gun, and I shot at them.
And I had met him, so I knew him around the yard.
And I read his case.
And I was like, dude, this is the first.
You are in prison for a non-crime because you can't have murder if the shooter is acquitted of self-defense.
Right.
And he was like, wait, what?
Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Jay Whitmer, and he is a peer support specialist.
And we're going to be talking about the Ernest Jackson case.
And I will let Jason explain in more detail.
So check it out.
Ernest is a guy that was found guilty of being at a.
murder that he says he wasn't there and there's tons of evidence that says he wasn't there
and yet he's still in prison because essentially you believe or I guess everybody pretty much
involved in it believes that that the district attorney or the state in general doesn't want to
release him because they would have to then of course they would have to pay him
for being wrongfully incarcerated for how many years?
over two decades now.
Okay.
So,
all right.
So,
anyway,
so they're completely resistant to it.
And this has happened over and over again throughout,
like throughout the country where prosecutors,
they don't want to release guys because their fear is if I,
if we release them or if it,
you know,
and the evidence shows that, you know,
he was set up or it was wrongful prosecution,
then we have to pay him.
depending on what state, some states have caps where they say, look, we owe the guy $12,000 a year.
Some of them say $80,000 a year.
Some of them have no, no legislation, and they end up just negotiating it.
And I know in the past from just seeing different types of documentaries and reading different articles and books where sometimes they say, hey, we'll let you go, but you have to promise not to sue us, which typically doesn't hold up, but they try it anyway.
um anyway did you ever see read the book uh an innocent man i think there's a documentary on it too
uh i think i've seen the documentary yeah it was that being said right here right now
there's a guy touring around that has and i might not have the name exactly right but his name is
daniel daniel medwood m-ed like w-ed he's a professor and he wrote a book why innocent people
can't get out of prison right and he's actually down here uh
at the colleges we got, you know, talking and whatnot, and I'm going to meet up with him later on
because he also found out Ernest's case, Ernest Jackson, that we're going to be talking about.
And you might hear me say, Nesto, that's a nickname I gave him.
So sometimes I slide into that because I have myself done a lot of time.
Right.
But this professor is down here.
Yeah, he writes this.
He wrote this whole book about why innocent people can't get out of prison in our system.
Right.
you're basically you're um you're an advocate for absolutely i'm an advocate in the community period
that's kind of my growth my long stuttered growth from the system because i didn't just go there
and hide my head i was i was terrible but i put all my all my energy into something else now right
and so this was a case that i've seen and i know we'll get into it but this was a case that you know
I met him and I was reading law trying to figure out how to beat my stuff, even though I was guilty.
And I read his case and it just blew me away because you hear about innocent people, but you always hear these, like, shady parts, whether, you know, you can always say there's a gray area.
Right.
Well, we don't know this or they're not innocent because it was a procedural thing with his co-defendant and blah, blah, blah, where the kicker in this case that we'll get to is, he's guilty of a crime that's not a crime.
And that might not make sense.
Right.
Until you, you know a little bit about the case, but it's a crime.
That's not a crime, let alone all the other stuff.
And it's a horrible case.
But yeah.
So I'm a community advocate, and I just kind of try to bring a light to, like, for instance,
people go in for doing terrible stuff.
And I know guys with, like, extraordinarily horrible cases.
And then as I grow, because I got about 20 years in myself,
I've seen guys that if I just looked at the,
their case, I couldn't see the person that actually I'm interacting in the yard. That's out reaching
out to the brothers. That's just trying to be a guy reading books and talking to you on the
level and not doing whatever life he had before he got came to the system. So, right.
Human nature is complicated.
To say that. Oh, yeah. Listen, I've met numerous guys in prison and you're talking to him.
And then suddenly you go, what are you here for, bro? And then they tell you're like, wow, like I didn't
see that. Like that.
That was not, not what I saw coming.
Okay, so, so tell me about, about Ernest.
Like, where was he born, how, you know, what kind of childhood, that sort of thing?
Like, how did he?
Yeah, Nesto, and I don't know a ton about his childhood.
I do know he was born in 81, I believe in right in our state, Omaha, Nebraska, yeah.
So north in Nebraska, where I'm at, where we're at, right in the middle of the country,
country, our biggest city is Omaha, and then our capital, the second biggest city is Lincoln.
I currently live in Lincoln, and that's where our biggest prisons are in Lincoln, and then
some little town, they put a big, big one out there. But he was born in North Omaha, and that's
basically where a lot of redlining, so that's where a lot of the hoods are. North and South are
the part of Omaha that got most of stuff going on. And he was born.
on the north side with uh or in about i think it was october at 81 because i know they uh
celebrate his birthday very athletic kid sports he has one of them families were his mother and
his his his aunt her sister they're like their kids are like like this whoever's house they're at
they at mom's house so you know if there's punishment coming they can punish how they want how they see
fit and the other other mom you know they know and that's kind of a something that comes up because
they have one of them families where it doesn't matter if you're at aunt's house or mom's house
you're at the same house so he was raised by both of them he was he was definitely raised by both
of them in a bad neighborhood yep in a yep in one of the city neighborhoods where things are going
down and there's not a lot of service unless somebody's coming there to regulate and so he has to
navigate that, you know. And so, yeah, born in 81, has a good family. His mom's very, very, very
spiritual lady, Brenda Jackson. He has, and I might get it wrong, because I don't know if I met
all of them, but I believe it's, I know I met, he got two sisters and a brother. I don't
believe there's any other one. He got some big family, lots of cousins, a lot of, you know, expanded
family so he has two sisters star and and uh remi remi's the youngest sister stars the oldest
and then his brother and they all lived in omaha i think some of them moved to arizona along
with his mom have moved to arizona what was i mean was he you know when he grew up was he in
trouble was he in a gang uh it wasn't that running a gang uh growing up in the city especially if once
you get caught up in the system you're always everybody believes you're in the gang and if you join
the gang life you're on a fast track to prison because the whole mentality and all the push that's
behind that drives you in the places that don't turn out well for none of us the best thing that could
happen for us is to get mature before we get caught up you know and wake up a little bit before we
get caught up in a different course but uh he was you know he did run with his friends and
I don't know if he had any ever had any legal trouble.
I'm sure he probably has some misdemeanors or whatnot.
I actually don't know his record like that, but nothing major.
Again, wasn't a gang member, but he's pretty much pigeonhole to that because, you know, he has, because it's the hood.
Right.
It doesn't matter if I'm a gang member, you can best believe if I got a few friends, one or two or whatever is a gang member.
And whoever I'm standing with when things get happened, that's who I'm associated with.
And you can get stuck up in their moments.
And if somebody gets in trouble, as we're going to see, and we know them or we're associated to them, guess who's coming to investigate us to pull that into that trouble?
So how did he end up getting in trouble?
I mean, how did that happen?
yeah so 99 i believe it was october 99 right up his uh again that's about the same time when he was
born so in 99 he's 17 and uh a young man named larry perry also 17 i believe is shot and killed
out on the north side of omaha as we spoke about and the next day essentially he comes to find out
Hey, the police wants you for a shooting death.
They want to talk to Ernesto.
Ernesto, Nesto for a shooting death.
And that's the word on street because his friends, which is Shalimar Cooper Rider and Dante's Chilis, are getting arrested in charge for the shooting death.
They're arrested at the time.
Nobody really knows what's going on.
But that's essentially what it is, is this young man gets shot and he's killed.
And so Ernest, you know, his mom, at first, you know, he doesn't turn himself in right away, which I know, I know people, they think like, why would you not just turn yourself and talk to the police?
I just had an incident here last year where I had a knock on my door.
And when I looked out the window, the sheriff was out there.
And my first instinct was the duck down.
And I literally was thinking like, I'm going to run.
And then I came to my senses because I haven't done, I've been, I've been good and clean for like six years.
My badness is my advocacy for, you know, change and doing something different.
But I get it.
Some people don't understand that.
Even I at the moment didn't understand, like, why would you run?
So when somebody said, the police coming for you, you know, and the police ain't there talking to you, especially if you're a kid and you're living in a life because we run from the, I remember running from the police not doing nothing when I was a kid.
Here come the police.
We just run.
Right.
So, yeah, he didn't turn himself in right away,
but they did come get him, I don't know when.
It was at his mom's house.
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matthew cox's patreon i was talking to his mom she said uh they was uh he was inside and she's like
yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna take my boy and they were gonna get the dogs and that's
when i think his stepdad stepped in and was like no unless and then then she said ernest just
came out the house and like saying that's going to be okay mom and he went in the custody of
the of the police in 99 and now we're in 2023 and he's never been out of that right
ever from the age of 17 yeah so they they took them obviously they took him downtown i mean
they did he get a did he get like a lawyer right away what why did they you know like why did
they think he was involved because his buddies were involved like you guys are a tight group
They killed, they were there or they were involved.
So you had to be involved or?
Well, my understanding is they had somebody else starting to say they was making associations
as well as I guess they developed somebody that was starting to make accusations of like
it wasn't me.
It was this person and this person.
And when it started, they didn't, he didn't know Ernest Jackson other than, you know,
the neighborhood, even in the city.
city is like it's not that big either you get to hear names even if you don't really get to
know each other and that's how his name got caught it come came in through another person that
was a suspect starting to become a prosecutor witness Alexis Fulton is the name of the young man
also I don't know how old he was but I'm sure he was also another young man he just immediately
said no it wasn't me it was so-and-so or I heard it was so-and-so no they nope from my understanding
And he did not immediately say that.
And he went through that whole process of seeing mug shots and whatnot.
And mug shots from one of the lawyers that I spoke to was like the mug shots consistently involved Ernest Jackson, Dante Chalice and Shalimar Cooper Ryder, who are the three that ultimately ended up charged with the case.
So it didn't have, it didn't like a shooting happen.
And one hour later, like, we know who did it.
right you know it was it developed it developed pretty quick because it was in the neighborhood
and people were there was other names thrown out there most of which is learned later on
when shallomar cooper rider which is a name that should be is very relevant in this case
shallow um when he goes to trial but ernest went there downtown by himself and i mean he talked
to the lawyer i mean talked not lawyer sorry he didn't have a lawyer he talked to the police and he told him
where he was at and which was at his aunt's house with his little cousin playing video games
and that's never changed his family verified that his aunt verified that you know and then so
then we fall in that that element of yeah well we don't believe family right you know so
okay so i mean so he denied it the whole if you're saying he he never because you know
sometimes guys will admit it they'll get them in there for you know six hours straight
and convince them to just own up to it
or at least say you were there, help us out.
And then they end up, you know, you're 17, you're scared.
You're like, oh, okay, I was there.
You know, they end up placing a scenario in your head.
You know, if you saw the, I don't know if you saw that documentary making a murder.
Yeah.
Where they get the cousin who's honestly not that sharp.
obviously he's what 14 years old and not that you know not that savvy and he they convinced him
to say that his uncle did the murder and he was there yeah you know that's that's that's that's
the scenario of you when you started you was speaking about how uh if they emit guilt the sit
the state emits guilt in like hey we messed with the evidence we did this or this person
doesn't belong here and then they're like hey that person sat for years you should they need
some conversation for their life because they didn't just lose a little bit of time.
They lost movement in the world.
So with that being said, and you're saying about the confessions when they talk to them
and whatnot, we have what's named the Beatrice Six.
And Beatrice is a small town, not too far from Lincoln.
And back in the 80s, and I don't know all the details, but like five of them, five
youngsters were charged with an elderly lady's murder.
I think they had sexually assaulted her and murder and whatnot.
And they brought them in and they were saying they didn't do it.
But they got worked for a while.
And then they started saying, you know, and yeah, I was just there.
Yeah, this person was doing this and this, except for one, he kept saying, like, I'm not a part of this.
I'm not a part.
I didn't have nothing to do with this.
And they then made a documentary on HBO, like one of them docu series and all that stuff.
And so from my understanding is basically there's this private.
that kind of continuously walked them through the scenario that he believed happened.
And they evolved with the scenario as it went, the finger point.
And they did about 20 years.
All of them, you know, they went from young faces to the elderly.
And then they got out.
And then there was this huge lawsuit with a huge settlement that pretty much bankrupt the
county, Beatrice, the city of Beatrice, whatever county that's in.
and that became a big political fiasco because one you got them confessing and stuff and there's a lot of gray area so you have a lot of people that believe that no they are guilty you know then you got other people that are like look at what this guy did he manipulated it made this case in the what shouldn't have happened so there's a lot of emotions there and then now we got to pay all these people well you know a lot of people just think they think no matter what i would never i would never do that i would never i would never admit that i would never admit that i would never admit
You know, something I didn't. Listen, bro, you know, you haven't been in that room. You're not a kid. You're not being, you know, you're a savvy, you know, intelligent, confident man that knows that you weren't involved and what not to say. But if you're a scared kid, you know, and these guys are telling you, you know, you need to help, you need to this, you need to that. And you start thinking, well, I want to help. And I'm not, these guys aren't letting me leave. Like if I need to, like, you're thinking, well, if I need to, like, you're thinking, well, if I
say something, you'll let me go.
Kind of like the guy on Make a Murder.
Like, he thought he was going home.
He thought, okay, so if I just admit that I was a part of it,
then I can go home, right?
They were like, yeah, let's go ahead and let's talk about that.
What happened?
Like, it's like, okay, so he's assuming.
And that happens.
They had a, I watched a whole video on these,
this kid that was like 16 or 17 years old.
They convinced him that he had murdered his sister.
He admits to it.
He admits to killing her,
stabbing her that he hated her that like they're like well you know at first it's known he's like
no no no I love my sister I love my sister seven hours later he's telling you I've always hated her
my parents love her more I wanted her dead I mean he just completely flips they over the course
of about six seven hours they completely flip him signs of confession everything yeah and and
to what you're saying is uh it doesn't take kids
is adults do it all the time yeah i've seen a case like that too i've seen a case like that too
when they say about the uh ask for a lawyer and plead the fifth yeah everybody thinks that
that you know don't do that that you know it sounds good it makes you look they think it makes
you look guilty yeah and then they say stuff and then they find out hey this person's investigating
to see what happened they're not looking for uh innocents they're looking for uh innocents they're
for guilt. But when a lawyer comes in, there's nothing wrong with taking a breath,
put my lawyer in between whatever the system does. And if I want to talk, there will be a day
to talk, but I can talk where I know, hey, I'm not stumbling into something. And I see it
happen all the time. People complying with things and whatnot. You can watch them on TV.
and it doesn't do well.
I can just say we have this political thing about anti-police, pro-police,
but they are an entity.
When the bottom line is there's people in uniforms, but they're an entity.
And when we won't allow the higher levels of accountability
and this entity that's armed and supposed to be safe,
that says something about our compliance.
Right.
You know, we're thinking we're just being.
loyal, but like, that's the type of compliance that if this entity goes rogue, you're still
going to comply because Nazi Germany didn't become Nazi Germany because everybody there was bad
people.
Yeah, I was going to say, it's funny.
It's like if somebody not, if a police officer knocks on the door and says, hey, did you
see anything last night?
Like, I, of course, yeah, no, I didn't see anything.
Well, why, what's going on?
That's different.
Like, I understand answering that question.
Did, you know, your neighbor's car was broken in this last night?
did you hear anything like i get it i but if they say hey we're picking you up we're taking you
downtown we're questioning and we think we may have been involved in this then it'd be like oh wow
bro like you're not here on a basic um uh you know a a breaking and entering you know you're not
on a on a car theft like you you're trying to and you're not and you brought me downtown like
you're not asking for my help in finding the person that did this because maybe it's somebody
I knew. Maybe I was at the mall when this happened. Like, you're saying I was involved. I need to talk to a lawyer. Yeah. Because right now you're not trying to exclude me. They always say that. We're just trying to exclude you. Stop it. You're killing me with that exclusion. You don't want to exclude me. You want me to be your guy. I mean, what does it say? Anything you say can and will be used against you. It doesn't say anything you say could clear you. But if you're guilty, it's going to be used against you.
none of them words are in there like that so what what happened with with with ernesto i mean
he got down there did didn't and he just stuck stuck to his guns yeah he's never changed that
there's not even and you've been a you you you you've openly said you've been in the system yeah
yep okay in the correction system and when cases are fouled up a lot of times there's that that
that gets talked about in the system at some point before people move on expect
especially when people are like, dude actually didn't do this or we think somebody across town did
this and a lot of us know such and such, you know, there's never, I've never ever heard
anybody talk about, you know, actual like belief that he could have did this. The closer there
ever been, it's like, I don't really know what happened in this case. And as it came out,
people are, you know, the whole prison system were basically like, dude, this dude didn't,
you know, he shouldn't been here. And he stuck to his guns because I believe he was,
was genuinely telling the truth not just because I know him but this is one of them things like
I don't know where my life would have went maybe I would have ended up joining gangs by the time
I was 18 and got into some bullshit but I wasn't and I didn't shoot nobody and I wasn't
involved in the shooting so you know but I'm going to be guilty of that and that's exactly what
what's going to happen to him as that time moves forward with him so he's never changed that
but they kept them in custody they kept all three of them so they charged three again
Ernest, the one we're talking mostly about Shalamar, whose trial is key element besides
Ernest's own trial. And then Dante is kind of just a third case that comes up. And it's not
really a big deal other than to validate what happened in Shalamar Cooper Riders trial. And so they
charged all three of them. No bond. So they charged all three of them with first degree murder.
and use of a weapon to commit a felony.
And first degree murder is essentially the same all over the country
where it has that element of premeditated.
And what they do is they use a felony murder rule,
essentially what it's called.
And the felony murder rule means if a felony occurs,
if we can prove any type of felony,
and somebody dies,
In any way that can be associated to this felony, that can prove that proves the first degree murder.
That sticks.
All other elements are out.
Okay.
So in like 85, we have this case Shaheed.
No, I know him now as Shaheed.
Derek Dixon is his name.
In 85, I believe that's the exact year, but it was in the early 80s.
He committed burglary when he was like 20.
And the elderly lady had a heart attack.
So all they needed to do was prove.
burglary happened, heart attack. First degree murder based on the felony murder rule. He's doing like, he was not 17. So there was a law. So I say that because juvenile about 15 years ago, they said if they have mandatory life sentences, the mandatory needs to get took off and resentencing. He wasn't 17. He was 20. So that mandatory didn't matter. It stopped. He's still doing life without parole for a burglary at 20. He's like 50 something. And yeah, and I can't imagine that.
Because, you know, yes, if I'm not, if that old, that elder lady was my family member,
I'm going to be bitter and angry at him and think he gets what he deserves.
But if I step the way, a burglary where a heart attack happens, every community has kids that go and mess around.
And, uh, yeah, no, I understand.
So easy. That's the type of rule that could wrap up anybody's kid.
And as we know, privilege.
whether you have all the money in the world or not can sometimes not work because somebody now the example needs to be made to show hey we're not doing that nobody should allow something like this to be in the books and it and it's it's it's in the books it's a lot of states have it so okay so so he was there was no bond they're not giving them bond no they're first degree how do they have what's the story that the police believe occurred and why do they believe like what's the scenario that
They're, they're, you know, typically they formulate some kind of a, you know, their theory of the crime.
What is their theory of the crime?
Yeah.
So the theory is, these three, Ernest, Shalamar, Dante, went up, met with Larry Perry for whatever reason.
I think they confront him and about stolen tires, stolen rims.
and gotten into an argument and then shot and killed young larry and then all ran off that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the whole gist of the the theory and do they have anything that puts them there i mean they have anything anybody that puts them there yep and so what they'll have is a uh a individual name alexis fulton alexis is like e xe it's a weird spelling of his name
but uh and i don't know how old he was but i'm pretty sure he was pretty young too and it's it shows
that he went in they picked him up as a suspect as well and at some point uh he became the
individual that could identify people however from my understanding is he could not identify
the people in the mug shots to start out with okay you know and they've they've repeatedly showed these
mugshots. And I also, from my understanding, one of the lawyers is Ernest Salamore and Dante's
mug shots seem to circulate quite a bit, sometimes, you know, which is going to that part where,
you know, that starts to, you know, that's probably the person that did it, I guess. Definitely not
me. Right. You know, I mean, I can't imagine to be terrified, like, oh, these people are going
to prosecute me, whatever they said. And so he becomes, Alexis Fulton becomes the,
key witness of the state and what the state does again they charge first degree murder and the
use of a weapon and they said they were going to put them all together to try them at one
but earnest and his lawyer as should have happened we're like no because our fates are sealed
together and friends or not i wasn't with them you know what i mean they're whatever it's going on
with them it's going on with them i was literally at home playing video games
I wasn't with them and I go there to go trial together.
I'm now fighting a case of what they may have been involved in.
Yeah, I know a guy that got like 15 years, he worked at the place.
There were like three guys that are running a place that was like a tax scam.
And this guy was making phone calls thinking what he was doing was legal.
They had him convinced that it was legal.
So when they all got indicted, they ended up going to,
to trial. And this guy sat there. He said his name was literally mentioned two or three times
during a week-long trial. And when they suddenly found all of them guilty and he gets the same
amount of time that everybody else got, even though he was just an employee, but none of those guys
took the stand to say, yes, we did it. He doesn't know anything. We convinced this guy what he was
doing was legal. So because of that, he sat with the other guys that were guilty and got the same
time. He's like, they never mentioned my name. Like, I was on the indictment, but he's like,
there's nothing that says I'm a part of any of this other than making calls that I thought were
legal phone calls. I was telling them what these guys are telling me. But, you know, he didn't
take the stand. He couldn't take the stand. You know, he was, it was just, it's just such a bad
situation all the way around like his lawyer was like don't take the stand because if you take the
stand then they're going to ask you did you make the calls and you're going to say yes he's like
yeah but i can explain why they're he's like they're not going to care you've already been indicted
you know nobody's going to care what that that you thought that like that's going to sound like a lie
of course his lawyer was court appointed he didn't want to be there he doesn't want to do this
he certainly doesn't want to have to prep you and and have to spend two days um you know questioning
you he wants this to be over as quick as possible he really just wants to sit beside you
and let this case play out and let you go to jail.
And that's what happened.
They got out like 15 years.
But anyway, so I totally get that.
So, okay, so what was the next thing that happened?
So the next thing is, because we repeatedly asked, like, how did Ernest end up being tried first?
Right.
They clearly know his side because he's never changed that.
I'm not there.
So why I try him first?
But they were saying it had to do with the docket number.
So by being tried first, this is the, the worst thing that could have happened to him, besides being charged with this case, of course, is by being tried first, everybody else and their lawyers, Fifth Amendment.
We're not, we got the right to defend ourselves and we have a murder trial.
Coming up, we're not going to, I'm not going to get on the stand.
I'm not going to say he wasn't there.
Yep.
Then nobody can say he wasn't there, but him and his family, who, you know, again, that's family.
And nobody can say, you know, whatever other scenarios might happen, nothing.
Because his only defense is I'm not there.
So I don't know what else to say.
I can't sit there and talk about self-defense or nothing because I don't know nothing about that other than when I'm sitting in jail.
Maybe what I've heard in jail.
But what good is that?
I wasn't there.
I'm not a part of this.
Right.
And so the other guy gets on the stand.
Then the other guy.
So this Alexis Fulton gets on the stand.
and his key testimony is at the time of the shooting he says
Ernest Jackson,
Shalmar Cooper Ryder, Dante Chilis,
we're all there.
I see them argue.
I'm looking,
I think he said he's like looking through a window.
He came there,
seeing them.
Then he was in this building and looking out this window and see them,
shoot Larry,
the young man Larry Perry,
shoot and kill him after.
argument and run off. He describes what's Ernest's wearing, some dark clothes, and describes
his hair, and I can't remember if it's braids or brush cut, which one version it is. But all
them have relevance, because as they're talking, you know, they draw these things out and they go
over them over them. They're not exciting like the movies when you try to read the transcript.
But as they're talking, he goes back. He describes how he first sees them, apparently.
earlier in the day, they come over.
Ernest, Jalamar, and Dante come over,
arguing with Larry early in the day,
and Ernest gets mad and pistol-wooks Larry,
the young man that died.
So that's a key thing because we know there's not many little pistols
that don't do damage because them are solid material.
So apparently he pistol-wops him,
and there's no evidence of this, you know,
pistol whooping for anybody I don't know, you're getting hit with the, usually the butt of the gun, boom, like a hammer.
And there's no sign of that on his body.
On his body.
So that was blatant lie.
That was easily proved.
And then as we go, we're going to find out in the next trial, which I'll say now, is the clothing he described is what Shalimar Cooper Rider had on.
okay so he's describing someone else yeah so he's actually describing you know uh another defendant in
this case who is a part of this who will you know who is a part of this case you know in one way or
another and then there's family members there and a friend and both of them openly admit and they're
with larry and they're like you know we couldn't identify nobody but this guy
Apparently, he could.
Right.
And I don't even know, you know, I don't know his case because I don't know where he's at or whatnot.
But you don't know.
And once you're stuck, you're stuck.
You start talking and start admitting the things and starts thinking you're a part of this or lying on somebody.
And now you're going to trial.
You know what's going to happen if you start saying like, yeah, I don't really know this stuff.
Well, I mean.
I don't know the story.
at this point too the you know i'm sure he's being told by law enforcement that he's helping them
that you got trust me you did the right thing these are bad guys this is what happened this is what
we believe happened we thought we you know there's lots of evidence against them but the truth
is he he probably you know he has no clue yeah um they also had him picked up first so yeah yeah he
he made it all been facing something yeah he made him faces something himself so so so then
what so all right so what happens at ernesto's trial so then the jury with the so they got this
first degree which all they got to do is prove that a felony happens in accessory to a homicide
is a is a felony and then the gun and what they do is they look at all the evidence as they do
and whatnot and they came back and they believe like we believe you're not the shooter so they
acquit him of the gun. However, as horrible as this is, you know, we're giving you a life sentence
because there's nothing else that comes with first degree because we believe you were there.
Right. You know, you're going to tell us you're there and your family's going to, I mean,
you're going to tell us you're not there. Your family's going to tell you you you're not there
and we're supposed to believe this. But the prosecution's your little black kid in the hood and another
little black kid gets shot in deaf and we know that stuff happens all the time.
time and these guys apparently are your friends like we just believe you're there all right so the
prosecutor is saying you did it and we've got a witness that says he was there and saw you do it
do they have any other any any other um witnesses no like i said the other witnesses were
they said like no nobody could be identified so like we don't really know exactly what happened
um so how long was the trial uh
probably a couple of days.
I don't know exactly how long it was.
I guess one of the other elements that came out is Larry Perry had a gun on it.
That'll come into play in the next trial because this trial is just about I'm not there.
And this guy's saying I'm not there.
And then we destroy his testimony.
The defense lawyer just, you know, pistol whooping, that's physical.
That's a, that's, you know, best thing you can do is where we don't have to debate your words.
you're just lying on the physical the description the hair you got the hair wrong you know he wasn't
wearing that but i don't know how we argued that he was just at home right so but as far as
countering a witness they did all that but again the jury is like we just believe you're there and
that's guilt by association is you know what else we do what i'm thinking is reasonable doubt
It means even when you're believing, I don't know.
I think you might have been running with your friends, but you got doubt there.
You're supposed to be like, man, you got a reason to doubt.
Don't stick a person in a box without knowing for sure, especially on this case, but that didn't happen for him.
So, okay, so he's found guilty.
He's found guilty.
He got guilty of first degree that his sentencing doesn't happen for like a year, but it's, man.
mandatory it comes first decree comes with mandatory life sentence so there's no doubt about what
they're going to give him and about the same time he's about to get sentencing shallamar
cooper rider goes on trial and shallamar cooper rider's trial will end the day that ernest jackson
is sentenced and everybody's trial has the same judge different different juries of course
because that's how that works the same judge so the judge knows what's happened
and all these trial as he sits and does what he does, which is very interesting because
Salamar Cooper Rider trial is like something you would put in a movie. Like it's just extraordinary
what happens there. You was going to say? I was going to say. So at the other at, okay, what
happens at the other trial? Yeah. Okay. Salamar Cooper Rider goes to trial second. He,
of course, him and the other defendant who will go later,
on uh pled to fit the earnest case you know they try to pull him in but you can't you know
ernest has the right to defend himself but that doesn't overcome the right for somebody to say
i got the right to remain silent because i got to defend myself as well so they don't he doesn't
get whatever this man has to say so chalimar goes to trial he decides at some point in the
trial i'm going to take the stand and so we got another young black man
young black man from the hood saying he shot another one, going to take the trial from a jury
that I'm sure hardly matches his people and tell them what he's going to say, which is I was
defending myself with first degree on the table, which to me, you know, I went, I'm, you know,
being older, I'm terrified of juries.
Somebody charged me with something, no matter what it is, no matter how outrageous it was.
And they said, I had to go through a jury.
I'm like, we literally have a body of people that just, you just now taught me the law.
This is the law?
Okay.
That's it.
That's what happened to us.
We go sit down.
They say, here's the rules.
Find them guilty or not.
If you think they're guilty, we don't have no way of really questioning you that it wasn't
a peer judgment of yours.
Like, I just think he's guilty.
Right.
You know what I mean?
And that's going to deal with your life.
And this young man went and got on the stand.
and what he said was him and this is the sum of it and then we can flesh out of detail by him and
Larry Perry they met up gotten an argument about the tire things they asked him about a gun he
admitted yeah I had a nine millimeter benefited that specifically seen Larry Perry you said I
seen he had a gun but it didn't escalate it into that the escalation came when two other
individuals showed up and was mad at him and Larry Perry for essentially making the hood hot,
I guess, getting stuff, you know, getting a lot of stuff going on. And he said they started
yelling at Larry Perry. So Larry, little Larry, that's the, that's the young man that died. And he's
like, at that point, I was done with it. So Shalimar walks off. And as he's getting down and
then I read the transcript and he jumps over a fence and as he's going down the way,
He hears shots.
So he hits the deck.
This is in his transcript.
So somebody else, I was there, but somebody else shot him.
Yeah.
After I left.
Well, no, no, no.
He's saying, they're shooting at me.
Oh, I thought they shot him.
I thought they continued to argue.
Well, that's a curious part is why are they not, I don't, I haven't seen or heard
nobody said anything about interrogating these two.
Okay.
You know, there's clearly something here.
Right.
And per this prosecution, they're doing what they're doing, you know, trying to pick and pick at everything.
So they verify that this shooting happens between parties in some degree.
They verify like the 9mm had reference because one of the things that was said early on is when Larry got shot, there might have been some downward shots into him.
but it's very vague on even the prosecutors when they argue now they don't talk about these other shots
they just reference them so it's extraordinary vague holy shit can we pause sure i took the work van
fucking shit i was like why is she calling me i took the work van to get rid of stuff from the
house the van was stolen high-speed chase which you know what that means it's going to come to
my door what you said you took the it's the work van so I could get rid of all this drywall that
I removed from the house early in the morning long bendy Twizzlers candy keeps the fun going
I'm going.
Twizzlers, keep the fun going.
The van was stolen in the pursuit and wrecked,
and I need to know where you parked it.
You need to call them?
I may leave this in.
You're fine, but yeah, I just can't believe.
Do you need to call them?
Call them?
I'm going to call her real quick.
but now lucky me i get the fall into one in his face like i don't dude i hope i hope i didn't
then she's in a training here we'll go on and i guess i'll go on and i guess i'll just go down there
how it is oh man how do i get how i'm getting associated in the stuff oh and i'm not living that
life and now i have to worry about like what okay you're still around it so it's the van from
the region where i parked it did you the key's not in your purse where's your purse
thing it better be all right is this a mercy I have to deal with right
right now well did they say that it was broken into or did I left the key
in there that would help okay all right all right I'll do with it but I'm
gonna take a quick second to run and look see if that key is like all
all right give me two minutes yeah jeez man i hope this ain't my fault i don't see the key
you know the part where i said how the police the sheriffs came out of door yeah yeah
they said that we bought this house in 2020 they had a picture of somebody clearly shot from
the door looking out you just see his back they say they're looking for them they came to my
door when I looked at the ring camera because I didn't look at it right off right I just walked I was
just happened to be by the door so I just started moving that way they covered my ring camera and they
went around the house there was three of them but and I know they was on some bullshit because
soon as I started talking to him and I'm like are you see you know like I don't know this dude I don't
even know who you're talking about blah blah blah and then you guys just show up and you know all here
but they came together and then they was trying to tell me stuff and then they just left and that's how I
knew you guys are on some bullshit and when I looked at the thing later on I'm like holy
shit how bad could this have went for me because this is the perfect scenario where something
happens if somebody like dude didn't have nothing to do with it we just moved funny
especially the part where I'm ducking down and thinking about running for no reason and now
I'm stuck in something else so who is the ring who is in the ring camera
they come up on the steps and he has something black and he puts it on like the
boop yeah because i put it on tic-tok and apparently that's i didn't know that was a thing how
much cameras get messed on i just you know how you can go do the green screen i say look what
happened to me this morning and i move out the way and i just post the video the sheriff walks up
it just covers i know that but you said that they had a picture of the back of somebody yeah yeah
somebody that apparently yeah but we bought this house in 2020 so never seen the person
still i know i thought maybe i didn't say nothing but i was like maybe i would know this
person if he's been in and out the system and but i don't know who they're talking about right
and they didn't have no reason to believe him because he was wasn't ever there so but they just
came to my house just on the humbug and surrounded it because i got a ring camera on the side so
i can see them how they approached when i'm looking at it later on and like gee as a man you need
to approach the first cases like don't let's not do something wrong and treat him like he's guilty
Maybe we spread out if we think possibly.
Well, anyway.
Now I got this.
I mean, you're having bad luck, you know.
You should move to the suburbs and get a job doing people's books.
You wouldn't have these problems.
So what's going?
So what happened?
Where are we?
Where is?
Yeah.
Outside of me having to deal with somebody stole our work band.
And crashed it in a high-speed chase.
They didn't just steal it.
just like, where is it at?
Well, you got your drywall out of it, right?
Yeah.
You're good.
Yeah.
I got tracking to where I was.
The whole book of mileage and, all right.
All right.
Rewind back.
So Shalamar goes to trial, his own first degree.
Nobody testifies their earnest trial because Ernest went first.
They have their own murder trial.
Shalemar decides to take the stand, which is, you know, either courageous or really
He's not very intelligent, you know, thought out because you got to convince a jury that
not only am I not guilty, but I'm telling you I'm a shooter.
He gets up on the stand and says, I have a gun and I shot at them.
Right.
So here's, well, okay, yeah, but for a jury, the jury has been given one charge.
And they're saying, this is what he's guilty of.
It's premeditated murder.
He went there to kill him and he killed.
killed him. And so
that he goes
and says, no, there's an alternative
to that. Where I was
there, guys, a couple
of guys showed up and chased me off
and actually shot at me.
When I, you know, I jumped
the fence and they were shooting at me. So
he's saying I was there, but
I didn't kill him. So
he's giving them an alternative. He's giving them
reasonable doubt.
Right. This is felony
murder rule.
which is a theory that says you are we you do got that charge but that premeditated is out you just
have to believe that a death happens so if it's no offense it's there's no homicide because he's
shooting up there because they don't never there's no talk in the thing about other people killing
larry no i i understand but i'm saying so now the jury's being faced with this guy wasn't
even there like he showed up but he left and then later someone got killed like he didn't he didn't
kill him. So what's happening is now it's like, well, I'm sorry. They say he went down. I'm going to let you
finish and then I'll clarify a few facts. Okay. I was just going to say, so to the jury, they're saying,
well, I mean, the state is saying that he went there and shot him and killed him. He's saying I went
there, argued with him and got chased off by some other guys. They showed up. They were angry at us.
So I left. And then something maybe these guys killed him later. Like I don't know, but I wasn't there.
so that's reasonable doubt for the jury and to me the jury's like okay well we have an alternative
and the cops or and the state's not saying doesn't have proof that that's not true so that's
reasonable doubt so to me it'd be like okay well then it's not premeditated like he didn't go there
to kill him he wasn't there when he was killed so i can't find him guilty of murder of first-degree murder
because he wasn't even there and and the and the state isn't
doesn't have anybody to say that he was there and that he fired the gun or do they they still have
Alexis Fulton he's testifying at everybody oh he is every single one so he said nah he didn't run he was
there he got shot he got shot and killed them okay so he said yeah so it's a really confusing case
but lexas fulton now knows everybody including these other people because some of them are friends
So my understanding is there's some loose connection between him and the other two that are identified here as, you know, coming into the argument.
But when Larry Perry leaves, he says, yeah, I thought they were shooting at me.
So I hit the ground.
And then they were like, you know, clarifying, did you shoot back?
And he's like, yes, I turned and shoot back.
And I think I've seen somebody go down.
But they were shooting at me.
Right.
And then I get up and I run.
so potentially did he shoot up there and hit the dude right but that still would have been
it would have been an accident it would have been there would have been defense to somebody's
shooting at you right right and i would yeah yep so but part of the things is they they
keep eluding to somebody took shots at larry and maybe another gun when he's close nobody nobody
nobody ever that I ever seen these other two people become suspects in this crime that turns out
not to be a crime because it's based on Shalamar Cooper Ryder shooting and killing and then maybe
his friends they asked him about Ernest he says Ernest wasn't there Dante wasn't there
the other two co-defendants okay and they say well we know there was other people present
he's like yeah they weren't with nobody we was up here and they came in
and was pointing at me and him talking about we're making all this noise and stuff's happening
with tires around the thing and you're bringing all this heat in or whatever and I'm like yeah I'm
part of this now I'm bouncing and then they take shots at me I hit the deck I take shots back
and then I run so that's the essence of his things the jury gets to look at all that and they say
based on the evidence and with all this testimony self-defense as you said there's that other
scenario and it matches what we see and believe self-defense which is it means not a procedural
default meaning like somebody messed with something or somebody made a lawyer made a mistake and
your case gets overturned or a new trial or something it's it's the actual part of what we hear
at trials where it's a person guilty or not and you're not guilty for defending yourself right
so he's not guilty of first-degree murder so the answer is not guilty because there's no
other charge they could charge it with.
Not like they could say manslaughter.
He accidentally killed the guy.
That's not even on the table.
There's no other charges.
None.
So have they charged him with assault or
manslaughter and
first degree, they could have given him
different variations, but they only gave him one
choice and he doesn't fit
that choice. So it's not
guilty, period.
That's kind of like the Casey Anthony thing, right?
like she was given like they gave the jury one one charge it was you know it was first to remurder
she killed the girl meant to kill her buried the body they could have given her man you know they
could have also said well or it could be manslaughter they would have probably found her guilty of
manslaughter what they said was you're saying for sure do we know that she premeditated murdered
her daughter we don't know that like there are other options right and you didn't give us
the ability to charge her with anything less
so she's not guilty.
Prosecutors fuck up when they do that.
Yeah.
Because they think it's all or nothing.
Yeah, they think it's all or nothing.
So a lot of times they'll be like,
that's our only charge. He's definitely
guilty of something. Maybe not this, but fuck it,
it's the only thing we can do. So they charge him
with the first degree murder.
Yeah. And they also don't know
what he's facing.
Yeah. So they're probably thinking,
oh, he's probably only facing five or ten
years and then they find out he gets life and they're like oh wow i didn't know that so but i'm
sorry go ahead no no that yeah i never thought about that with the casey cases yeah they put it
like why didn't they're like yeah you know people are like they're like well we think she did
something but we don't know for sure that she meant to kill her daughter we think maybe
she was trying to just get her to go to sleep and pass out so that she could go out parting and
she gave her too much chloroform or maybe she accidentally suffocated or you know like there it could be
anything we don't know 100% that it was premeditated murder so then it becomes okay well that's your
only charge well then the answer is no not guilty and people are like and then they're screaming
you let her go wait a second you're telling me she's i had to be sure she was guilty of this i'm not
i could have charged her with manslaughter i could have charged her with you know assault i could
to charge her with child endangerment.
Like, there's lots of things I could have charged her with.
You didn't charge her with those things.
That's not my fault.
That's your fault as a prosecutor.
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stay greedy my friends support the channel join matthew cox's patreon yeah that's the problem but a lot of
time that's what they do people are so outraged they figure well we'll get it we'll only give
one option and they'll take it because they don't have another option and they think she she did
something we don't know for sure it's this but this is our only charge so give it to her and the truth
is as in casey's case has shown you know basically publicly people believe she's guilty
or something. Yeah, I definitely think they did was like, we're just trying to get you to say what you said,
reasonable doubt shows me when you say first degree and premeditated, and that's all that's on
the table is that premeditated part, like what we don't know, we don't necessarily believe it. So everybody
thinks, now that you say that, I can see the scenario, everybody thinks it's like, oh, you just
let her walk. Like, no, they for, we, the only thing they left us to say is we're going to ignore our
reasonable doubt that it wasn't premeditated. Right. You're saying that you gave me,
There's no other charges.
You're saying that she thought about killing her daughter, came home, executed her daughter, buried her daughter.
Like, I don't think that's what happened.
Do I think she was involved?
Do I think that she, you know, obviously I don't think her father killed her.
You know, I don't think she accidentally drowned.
Maybe she did.
I don't think so.
But I think she probably did give her something.
Maybe she gave her chloroform.
Maybe she, you know, and she gave her too much and she ended up, you know, suffocating and died.
You know, but I don't think she'd try.
trying to kill her, because I just don't see that, you know, but she, I definitely think she did
something to that girl, which is, you know, manslaughter.
She should go to prison for five to ten years, maybe 15 even, but I don't think she sat there
one day and said, you know, I'm going to kill my daughter.
Yeah.
That's what I'm going to do.
Yeah.
She's a pain in the ass because the truth is you could have given her, your parents are basically
raising her anyway.
And so.
So that's what this felony murder rule does, is it overrides that because earnest, so they have two charges, but one's the gun, using the gun.
When they said, we don't believe you use the gun, they're saying, we don't believe you're the shooter.
But because of this felony murder rule, we just got to believe a felony happening.
We believe somebody shot and killed this young man.
We believe you was with them.
That's just stupid.
We didn't know it was going to be self-defense because the same.
rule applies the here so they could have just charged him like you had a gun and if you got any
other felony on your record that's a felony you had uh assaulted him maybe they uh i don't think
he said he hit him or nothing because well i mean he said that happened earlier in the day with
earnest it's like you and i hook up we're we're hanging out one day you know we're walking around
you're you're you're showing me that yeah this happened this happened a couple of guys come up they
they bump into us that we get into an argument one of the guys is like i'll kill you bro you pull
your gun out and you execute them and then you take off running and then i'm freaking out so i don't
stick around i leave because it's a bad neighborhood i take off the cops come they they put me
on trial because i'm with you you killed the guy i didn't kill the guy like i can't take the stand
because i'm a felon so i don't want them to bring up all my felonies and so what happens
is I go to trial and now I got a life sentence because
I didn't know you had a weapon on you.
I didn't know you were to shoot these guys.
I don't know anything about this.
Some guy gets on the stand and says,
yeah, man, I looked out the windows.
They were all arguing.
That guy Cox was there.
Yeah, he definitely, I saw him shove one of the guys.
What the hell?
And the jury only has one choice.
One choice.
All or nothing.
Right.
And then I knew there was a gun.
You know, like, I didn't know there was a gun, but who's going to believe me?
And I can't take the stand.
Yeah.
And so, uh, go ahead.
Sorry.
When Shalemar gets acquitted, so he gets acquitted later on has to go to sentencing.
Same judge.
So same judge gets to see somebody get acquitted for her and heard that nobody places
Ernest there.
Yeah.
This, this, because he was asked early on, like, who was there? And then when he was like, you know, I went myself at this time. And then the other two came in. They were like, what about Ernest Jackson and Dante Chilis? And he's like, neither was there. And that got brought up a couple times. And he no longer has a reason to defend Ernest. He can say he's there because what else is going to happen to Ernest? He's guilty of first degree murder now. Yeah, if he was going to put him there, that was the time to do it. And I'm going to tell you the truth, it's amazing.
that anybody could get off with first degree just from being in the hood and saying,
you know, I got an argument.
Some guys came at me.
I ran.
They took some shots.
I took some shots.
Somebody up there got killed and somebody trying to say I did it.
Like, that I'm the murderer.
Like, no, I didn't do this.
Like, man, dude, I'll be thinking like, don't say nothing, bro.
You're going to be fighting for your life right now.
Do you want a jury to hear you say you did it?
Well, you want to hear the jury.
You want to hear the jury.
nothing we say you want to hear the jury admit one you were there and two you had a gun and three you fired the gun
you fired the gun like all of these are bad in a jury's mind it's like this guy's a lunatic give him first degree
and and if people need that different context of that just think of this jury is all strangers to you
so no matter what they're making if your life's on the line do you want all strangers to be
weighing judgments on you and you're looking over there like do they already think i did it because i'm charged
When you get charged, people think, what did you do?
Yeah.
Now I'm going to sit there and tell you all the elements you need to help you,
but that's not what happened.
Yeah, I had a gun.
Yeah, I fired the gun, as you said, you know.
But that's not how it happened and hope I can go home.
Because I will never go home if you find me guilty here.
Right.
And I might have shot the guy.
Because they were shooting at me.
I may have shot the guy because they were shooting at me.
Yeah.
Like, he didn't admit he may have shot him.
He damn sure may have shot him.
but it was self-defense so yeah i i okay so so so so earnest goes to i'm sorry um uh yeah uh earnest
goes to get sentencing same judge yeah they put a pill in and try to you know pill to
the conviction because like look and they're like you know this is just this is what i got to do and
life sentence judge gives him a life sentence 17 year old well he's 18 by now yeah he's turning eight yeah he's
turning 18 as this is this all is going but he was 17 the whole time through his trial and
everything yeah and then and then as that's as he's moving into the system of course he's putting
a pill in and then pills take a while but in the meantime third trial dante chillis shallamar
cooperider testifies you know because his case is over same thing doesn't change testimony
and they acquit Dante Cheles.
He testified that he wasn't there.
Yeah.
He just said the same thing.
He said in his own trial when he was fighting for his life.
And he went and so, and again, yeah, I had the same judge, but different jury.
And that matters because now there's a different group of strangers listening to your
things thinking, well, this one's saying he's shooting.
And now he's trying to say his buddy's not there.
I don't think they have the right to, you know, this is not like a big old public thing.
is a shooting in the neighborhood this is a normal you know as horrible as that sounds this is just
a normal street crime right you know so there's not like oh we know about this stuff we know about
this crime so you know separate jury separate people obviously hearing the whole case for the
first time and they also believe the young man that testified shallamar cooper riders like this is
what happened and to start out with he wasn't there
well what happened because you know the prosecutor's going to like drag that out so we can so they can hear all these dirty details and hear it differently but they didn't they heard it they was like no we don't believe he was a part of it so it wasn't even about a self-defense at this time it's about was he because shallamars presented i i was involved in this in this capacity he wasn't there that's what they're voting on to now all they got to do is like do we believe this or not and they then they yes they did
He was like, yeah, not guilty.
So there's that bider of being in the front of that line.
Man, no bike is, you know, the person that actually there and has some active involvement in it,
it's not going to say nothing because he's fighting for his own life.
And now I'm fighting to get out of this.
I have hope, earnest, because he got acquitted a self-defense.
One, he said it wasn't there and he's quitted his self-defense.
So Shalimar is acquitted.
he's not guilty and what's the other guy's name dante chillis dante's also found not guilty not guilty
so had ernest gone to trial the third as the third person at this time and had chalimar gotten on the stand
and said the same thing since he's already said his story twice and gotten two um not guilty verdicts
then it's reasonable that Ernest would have also gotten a not guilty.
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's that element that if they're just, because again, I've seen no, I found nothing,
nor heard anybody I've talked to that there's investigation have ever done on these other two
individuals.
They're just sticking with, well, well, we don't know what else to say, but that guilt is,
he's convicted and so shallomar is still the shooter right because they never put nobody else
in a scenario they just keep sticking with earnest we got earnest so we got him this is we got
we got ernest that was with shallomar that's already been found that he that not guilty we've
we've we found earnest guilty of being at a first degree murder that's that
that has already been found to not have been a first-degree murder.
Right.
Yeah, because when the person we're saying is the shooter and the killer is acquitted to self-defense, it means murder didn't happen at all.
It's not a homicide.
It's a shooting death.
It's a tragedy, but it's not a criminal.
Which means now he's an accessory to a non-crime.
Because they have put it in the gun.
They didn't say we think he was doing some of that shooting.
Right.
So you're not even saying that he had the gun.
He was found not guilty.
of that. So what, what does the court of appeal to do? Well, they immediately let him go, didn't they?
Yeah, because, you know, they're going to do the right thing. Right, right. Yeah, I've watched law and order.
I watch law and order. I know it worked. Yeah, they, they walked up in there and was like time to go home and
everybody was happy and, no, he packed his bag. They, that warden told me he was sorry. The prosecutor
drove him home, apologized to his mother and his aunt said, I'm sorry. I took your baby away from you
for the last three or four years my bad we're going to try and work some kind of a deal out cut
you a check yeah i know how it is they're they're good people it's yeah it's amazing this
this uh legal system is like this is like one of the prime cases that i've seen is like man
well they'll use words and take your life with words and that's what they did in the court of
appeals they said the testimony of shallamar cooper writer because that's what he's saying it's like
dude look he's saying i'm not there he got acquitted he went home this is a whole case but i wasn't
there right that's all i know that's all that's all you should know is this testimony came out
a bunch of new stuff this guy laid out the case he was part of it right like me i'm only a part
of it because you put a charge on me right at the very least that's a new trial yeah so that's
what they do is they say new trials require the language
We'll do the air quote thing.
Newly discovered evidence, right?
That's the word.
Newly discovered evidence equals new trial.
And their argument is not newly discovered evidence.
The legal language they use is it's newly available language.
We believe whatever this man's testimony was available to you.
But it wasn't.
He took the fifth.
But he took the fifth.
So we have right here is what some of us been talking about is the battle of constitutional rights could actually hurt somebody.
And in this case, you know, snatch up your youth and all that and you're in prison for 20-something years because they're saying I have the right when I'm on the defense to know that, hey, there's testimony over here that, you know, I can subpoena police and put them on the stand.
I can subpoena, you know, regular citizens and put them on a stand.
except if they say, I have to defend myself and I have the right to remain silent because
it might incriminate me. And so I'm not going to testify at your trial because I might end up
with a charge or in this case, I'm not going to testify as your child because I have murder
charges, which I can lose my life. And I have a trial that I need to focus on not the here to come
over here so people can change the wordings or like, oh, that's how he's coming at it or whatever
they want to do. Strategically, the lawyer is like, I'm doing what's in your best interest. So
he his lawyer is like he's not going to testify right yeah because he's representing his client yeah yeah
sorry you're going first but that's not our concern my concern is my client shallamar's not going to testify
and so that's what the court appeal says is that he doesn't have the right to this testimony
of this is like saying something i got charged with all these weird murders all over town i'm in prison
oh guy confesses oh you can't get that you kind of knew that guy that confess that was new not newly
discovered because since you knew the guy maybe you knew what he was going to say yeah but i can't i can't
even personally testify that that guy's going to say he was acting in self-defense and he did it well what is
that adding about you nothing because i wasn't there he has nothing so the language is newly discovered
equals newly new trial newly available equals nothing and by putting that they killed all testimony
to be used by him so did he appeal it to the state supreme court yeah first he went through
the court of appeals he went through the you know this whole appeal process and why wouldn't he
because he didn't do anything even to this day you're probably still thinking like how did that not
get me out right not probably
he is like how did that not get me out of prison how did somebody go up and say i'm the shooter
and go home because the jury is like yeah but you didn't act criminally and i sit there because
the belief is i was present right so but okay so what did the state supreme court say uh they all
agree once that once that was that's how it got it that that's that's now what thing in our laws is
newly discovered newly available this this this has started getting argued argued in the courts
because uh the jackson case happened in 99 i on my gang stuff and all my bullshit i was involved
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Cool.
I think that's great.
That's most of your success examples.
I chose to be in the community and volunteering and putting in work.
And now think of where I'm going with.
I like the ramble, I guess.
Right.
Yeah, I get it.
So now you're kind of an advocate for earnest.
Ernest, because nobody talked about it.
This happened.
He didn't even talk about it.
I knew I got to meet him in prison.
I only seen one time when he first went to prison and they were talking about the case on news.
He was in another prison.
Didn't know him.
Like, okay.
Then he came over and I was reading trying to figure out how to get out of my case because I was guilty of my stuff.
Right.
My stuff happened a little wishy-washy.
The second time, I went twice.
I shot another gang member.
I did do that.
I didn't kill him.
Thank God, because now I would have to live with that.
But I did do that.
And then the next time was a robbery that I got called and I got involved in.
And I did do that.
But I lived a lot of time inside thinking, no, dude snitched on me.
That's all I could think about.
Not about what my part was because the dude that told, set it up, called me down.
Please, I get shot up.
I get what I deserve in the case.
Yeah, it was internal house busting in the home invasion, the worst type of robbery without, like, sexually assault and, you know, murder happening in the case.
worst i could think about it you know you kick somebody somebody kicks your door in when does your
house ever feel secure again you can have a hundred guns but people just kicked your door in yeah i always
think about that like you're sitting there doing the right thing and some guy comes and just kicks
in your door like and that's what we did to somebody and that's what you know and living a different
life i think about that i actually got the the people a couple of them called me because it was
situation and I just did what I believe is the right thing is go and whatever they got to say
you don't defend yourself you be honest and you know whatnot and I think that helped a little
but the stories they told me is like usually think about trauma like yeah that was traumatic
but it happened like 20 years ago and they're talking about they spent like 10 years you know
can't trust the door locks had to move out in the country and I'm like you know all because
of what we did right yeah so anyways so I'm inside look
at my case back to earnest and i had met him so i knew him around the yard and i read his case
and i was like dude this is the first you are in prison for a non-crime because you can't have
murder if the shooter is acquitted of self-defense right and he was like wait what because he told me
later home when i talked to him he's like dude i never thought about it being non-crime all i could think is
like, dude, I wasn't there. And the guy said it. And why is it? How is I can't get out? I can't get
out of this thing. And I'm like, you know, so that thing comes. So I get out in 2016 and I'm just
and 2020 happens. We all know what that is. COVID and George Floyd. And then here in Nebraska,
it got kind of hectic too, little Nebraska. But there was a point where the senators agreed to have
open hearings where people can your grievances your stories whatever and i chose to talk about that
case i talked about derrick dixon and ernest jackson because these are both falls under that felony
murder rule right one burglar eyes a house lady had a heart attack life sentence
ernest jackson you know as we're talking yes accessory the the shooter is acquitted of
and still in prison 20 something years later and that opened the door up again because
And then we did a whole bunch of advocacy, and now it's moving again.
And when it gets moving, it got some cases in the courts, like some senators, a particular, two senators, but one senator put it forth.
Senator Wayne and Terrell McKinney are really big advocates on this.
And they put some bills to try to, you know, change the little bit of this language.
Like, hey, we have a confession.
Right.
And the argument is always opposed.
every time by the prosecutor's office and all that every time there's like no give because their biggest
thing is what if this opens the floodgates and thousands of appeals come in it's one or two guys it's
one or two guys the law was written so that it goes before a judge he looks at what you present and then
he decides should this be a new trial or not so that's the gatekeeper is like the judge gets to look at it
and decide. But why would you not ever have a process that always reviews to make sure something
else ain't changed? Right. But that's where we talked about the system. Once we got you,
we are not interested in omitting our mistakes or whatnot. No, no. The justice system isn't really
about justice. So what do you think their fear? I understand that their argument is what if it
opens up the floodgates and thousands of people are like, oh, they know for a fact that's not
going to, that's not going to happen. Are you, you think that their concern is that if they were
released, they would be able, they would open up their ability to sue them. Yeah, Beatrice 6. I've never
heard it said, but after that Beatrice 6, that's the people that confessed, didn't confess, and then
they got, they talked to them and talked to them and then they confessed, all on tapes and recordings
and stuff and then 20 years later however that broke they all got out and then they sued
successfully and then the county was like bankrupting us and people were like why do we have to pay
them and so even if they're they don't really care like we got plenty of money we can throw this
dude like 10 million dollars and he'll be good at no big no they care politically you know what's it
look like and we've been and they've been sticking their guns like he did something we feel it did
something. He wouldn't be in jail if he didn't do something. And that works. It doesn't work on the
mass of us because a lot of us are out here of different political sways and whatnot. And like,
dude, there's something they, this is just, you know, some of us just see it. It's pretty clear
that reasonable doubt minimum was there all day long. But once that person confessed,
you don't keep anybody in prison for somebody's confession to being a shooter and they go home.
But you're doing that here. So why is that a fight?
fight. Well, I mean, like you said, I mean, it's, you know, obviously it's political and it's political and obviously, you know, they are concerned, I'm sure, you know, about being sued. So I mean, it's probably a combination of two. But what, what always kills me is that that prosecutor sleeps, knowing all of this, sleeps like a baby at night. He tells himself,
every night that what he's done is the right thing and he feels good about it.
Like they go and they lay down at night and they think they're making the world a safer place
by putting some 17-year-old in prison for the rest of his life who didn't do anything,
who was playing video games.
Your biggest problem is what you did to end up with a life sentence was hang out with your cousin and play video games.
That's my crime.
I was playing video games with my cousin and somebody else named me.
That's my, that's my crime.
That's it. That's it.
He had an opportunity to get out, Ernest Jackson.
They had an opportunity to let him out and change this.
It did change some.
So Alabama versus Miller is the federal case, I believe, or state case, whatever, that expanded.
And what it said is...
The court ruled saying, we believe that when it comes to juveniles, that when we have a sentencing structure that they fall under that says mandatory life.
So that means the judge doesn't have no other.
When you're guilty of this, mandatory means you don't get to say like, no, I think there's a little difference in this scenario or you're really young and I believe in 10, 15 years it will be a different part.
None of that.
And so that affected states all over the country.
Right.
And so as time was ticking, people were going to get re-sentence.
And Ernest in like 2014, 15, I don't remember exactly what year.
He got a chance to go re-sentence because I remember everybody, I was still inside, going home.
You know, he's going home.
Right.
You know, he's not going to get, you know, acquitted or vindicated because it's a resentencing.
It's not a retrial.
But at least you can go home and do this fight on the street.
They're going to give.
Right.
What happened was the prosecutor went up there and said, none of that test.
Testimony of the other man doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. He was convicted of a first-degree murder and we are here for a resentencing based on the mandatory language. You can give him life. You can give him life. You give him 100 years, whatever, but he's convicted of first-degree murder. That person that they're trying to talk about, you know, he got acquitted because he said Ernest wasn't there and said he did the shooting and the jury, whatever. You know, none of that matters. You know, I'm
definitely paraphrasing right but those were definitely said very very dramatic about that and
you know what the argument was in fact when you look at this you should look at and remember
he has like a couple hundred misconduct reports over the past 15 16 17 years so because he was
in prison and he's not a he's not an um you know a perfect inmate because he didn't make his bed
or because he argued with the huh maybe he even got in the fight because here's the bigger thing about the misconduct reports it's not just about us saying they're all petty we're talking about we're all going to a place where the the whole environment is survival mode yeah even in little old Nebraska I've been there people been drugged and rape people been assaulted people been killed in our system you know in arguments
You, everything's survival mode.
Yeah, you have days where everything's cool, but then you have days where them guys are thinking, like, yeah, I don't like who you hang out with.
Association will do you there.
And unlike myself, I was like 18, 19 when I went in, but so I was close enough.
But 17, that's how his whole life has lived.
Right.
And supposed to be happy about it.
Let me be a good, you don't get good 17 years old out here.
and they have a misconduct, like we said, for everything.
I seen you get a soup from somebody.
Misconduct report.
You got extra socks in your cell.
I don't care what the weather is outside.
You double up on stuff.
Miss Condor report.
Oh, you want to talk to me.
Miss Condor report.
Oh, it sounds like you was threatened me.
Go into the hole.
You know what I mean?
I know guys.
I know guys that got shots for looking at a female officer too long.
Hmm.
Like the guy's not, he's not, he's not like.
He's doing anything.
He's literally 30 feet away and just glanced at her.
And she said, what are you looking at?
He said, oh, I was just looking at you.
I wouldn't mean to, it's just, oh, okay, wrote an incident report.
He goes what?
He called it.
We used to joke, you were reckless eyeballing.
Yeah.
You know, like, a little terminology.
You know what I'm saying?
It was just like, and here's the thing, like, a lot of those shots you can fight and maybe
get them turned, turned over.
But the truth is, if you got a life sentence, what do I give a shit?
Right. What do I care?
Because you got to live, you got to find a way to adjust in there.
Right.
I don't, I don't, you, you want me to respect the rules because it says me and my buddies can't get together and make some burritos because we're now exchanging items and maybe that's a drug deal.
Like, dude, I'm doing years.
I don't need life sentence.
I'm doing years.
We're going to get together and do that any damn way.
I got to not say nothing when this guy's talking crazy to me or this guy takes swings at me.
I'm going to take swings back.
I'm in here.
I got to survive.
And now you're like, hey, maybe we should do a different sentence.
And we're saying like, hey, I shouldn't be doing that sentence at all.
But we're going to argue about the sentencing.
And then your review is, look at all the time he got in trouble.
This little juvenile that we grew up in our system.
And now we're arguing trouble.
And the judge, what he say, agreed.
He not only agreed, there was a specific statement he made.
Because remember, Ernest was 17, close to turn in 18.
And he said something about if it was but a couple of months,
we wouldn't even be here essentially saying if you would have been 18 when this would have happened
you'd still be doing life without parole because I wouldn't have to hear your case because this
only applies to juveniles so what they do they gave him I believe it's 60 to 90 years 60 to 80 years
that was their doing right so he does have a parole date and I think 2029 because that's like 30 years
later, yep, from 1999. But now there's this whole political thing about him, like, you know,
me thinking I'm doing, I brought this out and then I got it into the right hands and people
are starting to do stuff with it. I'm thinking I'm doing them a favor. And now I'm wondering if
I turned him into some sort of political prisoner where everybody plays games with his life,
rather than just the picture that I thought I was seeing that I thought other people would see
like, yeah, this somebody doesn't belong in prison. Right. It doesn't matter. Like, here's the thing.
It doesn't matter whether he got some disciplinary shots or not.
He's not supposed to be in prison.
It's like saying, it's like saying, you know, we're going to charge you with murder.
And because, you know, okay, well, maybe we didn't, maybe you didn't commit the murder,
but you did something.
Like you were there or you drove the getaway car.
Yeah, you didn't charge me with that.
You charged me with this and I'm innocent of that.
Like, so you want to charge me with, oh, well, we found out that, you know, you sold
drugs a couple of times and so well then go back and charge me with the drugs right
don't talk me with this something i did right right charge or something i did or some of you
alluding that i did at least right not this yeah yeah because this is that this right yeah now
you have a whole other things you're not going to be on the wrong side to say okay we didn't know all that
until that guy got up so we're gonna you know but instead they're just sick that you listen
that that state attorney and that judge don't want him in front of a camera saying the judge
knew that these other two people had been acquitted, you know, I'm sorry, acquitted,
acquitted, you know, they, you know, he knew that. He gave me a life sentence anyway. He knew
there was no evidence. He knew. And let's face it, two juries found their only eyewitness
uncredible. Yeah. Right? If they, if they, if they, if they, if they, if they, if they, if they
acquitted those two guys, that means that they didn't believe the state's eyewitness.
So the same state eyewitness that my jury found credible, two other jurors found
uncredible because they had a witness that disputed his eyewitness testimony, which I wasn't
allowed.
So regardless, that judge knew that, the secondary judge could have dropped it.
The prosecutor sleeps like a baby saying, oh, I took this 17-year-old video game and playing
motherfucker off the street and you never play a video game again um you know like i mean what what does
he tell himself but that's that's what happens is these guys get to be they think they're infallible
and they they get these god complexes and everybody else is just a pawn to be moved around yeah yeah
i guess i guess well not i guess what should be added is cases uh because one reason we don't hear
from Dante Chilis or Shalimar Cooper Ryder, the other two that were, you know, as we've been
speaking about, Shalimar is the one that got acquitted. Dante got acquitted based on Shalimar's
testimony. You know, I did this in self-defense, blah, blah, blah, is about four or five years later,
both get shot and killed in different situations, different things that are unsolved deaths.
So both of them are deceased in shooting death. And I'm really,
curious on that because I'm like, you know, I don't know what happened. This is all speculation, but first, he identified one person by name and one as the friend and he said other people that were identified and they probably know the friend's name. Like, where's the investigation of these other guys? They just picked these three and wouldn't get off of it. Then, some many years later, they get murdered. Maybe that's not connected.
However, when you get on the stand, even when you're defending yourself and you're saying somebody else is there that potentially could have done something, you just fingered that person.
Right.
And if the person's living in the life and they ain't drastically changed their life, they already remember like, this dude almost put me in prison.
Because if they would start looking into this, as easily as they put earnest in prison, I might be next.
But for some reason, as you said, the prosecution wants us, we got our scenario.
If we start bending that, bending our theory of these three, then we start breaking up the reality that we created that it's just got something to do with them three.
And the jury, now the jury, if they would have convicted them a murder, as they did earnest, would have been like that.
See, that's how the court works.
And it works right, everybody.
However, now it's kind of like suddenly there was something wrong with this jury, which it takes a lot more to,
to acquit somebody than it does to convict somebody in our system.
Oh, yeah.
Especially of something, you know, based on testimony.
It's based on a little bit of the evidence, you know.
They had the shooting.
They had all the evidence that I have yet to see some of this stuff.
But so I don't think that, I don't for one moment doubt that they went back there and just like,
I don't want to put somebody in jail or you know what.
They had a full discussion.
They looked at stuff and they was like, this is what we got to do.
And they did what they were supposed to do.
the right thing in that case absolutely believed that's what happened it wasn't like man i don't feel
good about this but i really feel like he was there right i get this guy samey pistol up this guy and
there's no evidence of this but i don't know this guy's words all over but i still feel like he's
there and they was able to come together and convict earnest for that much easier for that
somebody to just like yeah this is terrible you know what we got to do this
And they sit there and say, we're going to say not there.
There's family probably crying because they only got the scenario that these three killed.
Larry Perry, that's all they get from the prosecutor.
So what do they think in their whole life?
That these are responsible.
These are the individuals responsible.
And they're getting away with now stuff.
Well, so what's up with the case now?
Where is it staying now?
So it had several bills that have been put the past three.
years, as I said, the change the language, opposed every year. Attorney General, and then
there's a political divide. They just keep saying, and there was actually a hearing last year where
they took it to the floor after they had the hearing where you could speak, where the community
could speak, they take it to their floor. And repeatedly, there was reference to that young man
or Ernest Jackson. However, I can't support this bill. It might open up.
up the floodgates.
It might, you know, look at what they're saying.
It's like, this is able to have all these people just weighing down our systems with
the pills now.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, man.
Better he should in prison for the rest of his life than to do the right thing and have
to do a little extra work.
And nobody even blinks at that because you would think, like, at some point we would
have a system where there shouldn't be tape, red tape, all over it to be like, man, this
is really, you can believe.
what you want to believe, but there's evidence that the shooter, before a jury, before a legal
judge, with his whole life on the line. So there's no benefit. You know, there's no sneaky stuff of him
trying to, I'm immune to stuff. Everything's on the line when he does this. Can't bet the testimony
any better. If you want to take a statement and say, we want to make sure the statement is good,
you take a statement from a trial where your life is on the line to make this statement. That's what
happen with Shalamar Cooper. I can't bet it better. And go and do something. Like, hey,
the end. Like, release him. But we don't have that. That's a movie. We have a thing. It's like
the law says. So essentially, what we have is the showing kind of what we referenced earlier
or what I referenced. I'll put that. But I say Nazi Germany because it's deeper than people
just think like, oh, why would you compare us the Nazi? Because there was a process there that got
them there. It wasn't a bunch of evil Germans running around participating. It was a system that
went in a place and it was legally put. Hitler didn't just come in and steal the country
under, you know, illegally. That stuff kept building and they kept giving rules and laws for him to do
stuff. And then he started warping it and people fell in the line because, you know, what do I'm
do? But at least there, if I do something, I might end up executed. Here you get ousted from your
political, you know, spot or people talk about, you know, you're not getting executed per se
for most of us. You know, I'm sure that there are cases of, you know, the civil rights movement
and people got executed. But I'm saying, like, there, your neighbor points over there,
and like, they're not following the law, and you might end up in that same concentration camp
the next day. We don't even have it that hard yet, and we can't even overturn this rule of law
that says, sorry, it was written this. So, sorry. Yeah. That's horrible.
system to have we're getting there we're getting there it's not going to benefit nobody except
for people in yeah except for people in power um okay so you're saying there have been several
are there any other bills are they coming up again or what what's happening we had a bill this year
very interesting bill because this time the senators were really asking questions and the chief
prosecutor that's been the chief prosecutor in douglas that's our big
County and Omaha. Don Klein, they asked them finally at the end because he was just like,
nope, nope, I believe he could have done something. I believe he did something. I don't blah, blah,
I don't believe in this other testimony. You know, he's saying all that stuff. But the senator said,
do you believe you ever been involved in the case or in the cases, you know, put somebody that
didn't do it, somebody that might have been innocent in prison? He's like, no, never.
never have never made a mistake because i'm superhuman is essentially it's like that's the
worst person to have power is somebody that says i don't believe so but you know yeah saying it's
not even complicated it's not possible that um fallible yeah he said never well i mean that should
have been enough for the senators right there that should have been enough for them to know okay
now yeah this may be like if ernest gets a new trial are you going to challenge it he's like yes
you just just they just
it's scary that as you said
that they could even sleep comfortably
that there's no like
let's put a task team together
and do a little bit more investigation in this case
well I think it should be I think that you just become
desensitized you know
being a prosecutor to the point where it's an
it's all or nothing it's you know
us against them type of thing
yeah but well
yeah anything else
on this well we continue to advocate for them we got some things happening now there's the best
thing that's happened is there's a community and there's a growing community that are uh finding out
about this and looking for ways to you know try to get this push through some way some form some
fashion because even as we said now he has a parole date let's say he gets let's say for some reason
they're like we don't want to hear about all that stuff we're just going to give you parole
because we believe you're, but he's still got to do 30, 40, whatever amount of years on parole
as a person guilty of this crime.
The problem is, too, the parole board, a lot of times they don't want to give you parole unless
you admit to what you did.
He's going to go in front of them and be like, I didn't do it.
They're going to be like, oh, he hasn't learned his lesson, keep him in prison.
Like people don't realize that.
They're like, oh, well, he'll get parole.
No, it's not guaranteed.
And one of the big things they want you to do is say, I did it.
And a lot of these guys get up in there and they're like,
I didn't do it.
And they're like, oh, yeah, he's not, he's not ready to be paroled.
So you may never get parole.
Yeah.
Sorry.
No, I was just going to say, and he's now in that new scenario where they could just be like,
we actually got a two-edged sword here.
One, exactly what you said.
You got to admit guilt before we'll give you parole.
But let's say Ernest is like you guys broke me.
So I'm going to go up there and say everything they want just to get out.
I'm going to say how I did this.
this and I did that.
Right.
And then they sit there and be like,
we're well aware of your case.
And now you're just going to come up here and lie because we know you're not telling
the truth.
We know, you know, and then he's like, you know, that's the only scenario they have because
he chose that route instead of this route.
So there's no winning if they choose to do what they do.
And the fear is, they probably will.
What about the Innocence Project?
They're involved.
There's a, yeah, it's been involved before and struggle with it.
And now there's the, I don't know which one, just got involved.
There's a pro bono.
lawyer, Daniel Gutman. He's also a professor at UNL. He's working on the case in some
angles. He's very great because he's in the community. So he gets involved with those of us
out here that are trying to do what we do. And so there's some elements involved. It's that
legal thing. Because as long as everybody sticks, as long as the words of the court says this,
nobody can do nothing. Listen, I appreciate you talking to me about it. You know, one of my
one of my guys made a comment that, hey, you know, that I, you need to talk to Jason about
the, um, about earnest, you know, case and the Ernest Jackson case and, you know, super
interesting and I, um, so he actually got me your information. He's one that got me your
information. Oh, no, I guess he gave you my information. Yeah, it's your email. I think it was
dusty. Right. So dusty. Yeah. So I, listen, I appreciate it. I appreciate you coming on.
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