Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Insane True Story of Betrayal, Murder, and Corrupt Cops | Chip Williamson

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

Insane True Story of Betrayal, Murder, and Corrupt Cops | Chip Williamson

He comes straight up to me, and the first thing he does is grabs me and jacks me up. So, of course, like, my, goes up onto the stove. I'm trying to figure out what, like, what the hell's going on? And he's like, I'm going to kill you. And I told him, I was like, dude, if you don't get off of me, I'm going to shoot you. He's holding me with his left. He's swinging with his right. He kind of, like, clips my chin, so he doesn't hit it fully.

So at that point, I stepped back into the corner, literally in a corner. And he's already coming back at me, and I pulled out, and I shot. I thought it was twice. Turns out it was three times. I didn't learn that until later. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am going to be interviewing Chip Williamson. He runs a YouTube channel called Crime and Entertainment. Chip has a crime story, so check this out.

So, well, I mean, obviously, you know, I know you because you interviewed me on your, on crime and entertainment. Correct. You started that, like, how long? Probably like a year and a half, two years ago. I don't remember the exact date on the YouTube because we were doing some audio only before that, but I'd say roughly two years ago. So, and that started because of you getting arrested

for the charge was murder, right? It was murder and possession of weapon during a violent crime, yes, sir. Okay. So, I mean, I'll, I mean, we'll get into that, But, I mean, let me start with, like, basically, like, the gyms at the beginning. Yeah. So where you were born? I grew up in a town called Darlington, South Carolina, which is really known for not a lot, but the racetrack.

That's about all there is there. To do anything, any sort of nightlife or anything like that, you had to go to a neighboring town, Florence. And I grew up there, went to school there, all the way up through graduation, went to technical college to be a welder. I got my first, I worked in radio for a little bit during that time. And then I got my first welding job. And then not longer after that, I met my wife, or soon-to-be wife. We met there. She had a daughter when we met.

Where'd you mean her? It was actually at a club in Florence. It was, I remember like people older than me. I always hung out with people older than me. And they used to tell me this club called Murphys that everyone would go to. Well, when I was on the club, I was like 17 and some change. not technically legal to be able to get into it, but, you know, almost there. The club had burnt down.

So when it got rebuilt, like, just the height with this club was unbelievable that everybody, you know, it was coming back up. And so we went, or I've been going every weekend since it opened. Well, she was from about 45 minutes out of town. But, you know, even up there, they knew that this club was supposed to be, you know, really cool. They remodeled a lot. And the weird thing was, like, the first week we was there, a classmate of mine seen her outside.

One of the girlfriends that she come down with couldn't get in. And so they were having issues at the door, and my wife had her ID, so she's just standing her kind of waiting for us to play out, and she struck up a conversation with my classmate. So they wound up not even getting in that week. The following week, they come back in, she recognized the girl from the week before

and is having a conversation with her. Well, me knowing the classmate, I'm like, who the hell is she talking to? too like this girl's beautiful right and so I waited till they separate and I come straight up to I'm like all right who was that and she's like oh that's my friend felicia she says she thinks she were cute and I'm just like that's all I need to know so you know went over there and run a little game and you know as they say the rest is history but that spawned our relationship we were together for about I think seven or eight years then we got engaged we got engaged quickly but we got

married after about seven or eight years. She had a daughter when we met that was three years old, so I've raised her now. She's 22 now. And then we wound up having a son who's now 13. Okay. So where'd you end up living? I mean, we stayed there for the most part until 2010. And at that point, I was working for a company called New Corps Steel.

And it's a pretty big steel company. They're one of the biggest in the world, and I was working at a division in Columbia, which was about an hour and a half drive, but it was straight nights. I like just night shift. There was no swing shift, it was just straight nights, and I hated it, especially after I had my son, like it was just, I was gone all the time. Even when you're home, you're just tired because you've been up all night, you know, and it was just not something I really wanted to continue with the career,

but I didn't want to leave the company. And then they had an opportunity for the same company, but a different mill, in Charleston so we made the decision to move up to Charleston and we moved up here in 2010 um I got lucky because the housing market you know it just crashed recently and so I was able to come in and get houses that were built you know a year prior for you know hundreds of thousands of dollars and get it for by half of what they paid for it so that worked out and then we all moved up here to Charleston and I stayed with the same company was working at the the one up there. The only difference there is you would work four days on and then you would

have four days off. So essentially you only worked half the year, but it still would rotate nights to days. So I had some nights mixed in there, but nowhere near as much as the other place that was like straight nights. Right. And I've worked nights before. Yeah, I worked out as a welder's helper for six months one time. And it was, it was the night shift. It was, was it's 84 hours a week or something like that it was it was straight it was it was every single day straight you know you got a per die and it was horrible like you by the time you drive back home it's just in time to go to sleep wake up make your lunch jump in the car drive an hour and a half back horrible horrible yeah it's awful me luckily we didn't have to i mean the plant was close so we didn't have to worry about the per dim

but i mean it it was nice in the sense that you get your schedule for the whole year so i could look at a paper and i know exactly what days i'm having off so if i wanted to plan a vacation or whatever you know a trip you could plan it inside of those four days and then you really wouldn't have to use vacation unless something just fell on a day where you were scheduled to work that you absolutely had or wanted to go to so it was nice and they were a great company too and it is beneficial to the part we'll get into a little bit later on uh once a year it's usually around march i think it is they give out what's called a yippie check and it's basically a portion of the profits to every employee now they weren't doing as great obviously we talked about it was kind of the recession at

this time but they were still giving out about nine to 12,000 uh per year and that goes straight into your 401k and then you get like a portion of that deposited to you so maybe a thousand i think it might have been like 2000 and they tax it so you wind up getting like 1200 bucks something like that well as the economy started getting better those checks started getting better so i think one of the last ones that i got was like about 15 grand And so, I mean, that's, that's nice to go straight into your 401K. Just out of the, just out of the blue. Yeah.

Well, you know that you're going to get it. They call it yippy day every year that check is going to come. So a lot of people look forward for that. They call the yippy day and then Black Day, because right after Black Day is when people that are on the edge of retirement, they make sure they get that yippy check. And then they go on about their business and retire. But, I mean, it was a tough job. But, you know, fortunately, I was able to build up my 401K pretty substantial.

which drastically helped out in the situation I would come to find myself in a little bit later on okay so you're so you're living in Charleston everything's going good and what's going on with I mean marriage is good no problem so it was good I'd probably say if I had to put a pinpoint on like where things started there was a Carolina country music festival that was being held in Myrtle Beach And it was kind of like their version of Woodstock. You know, there was, I can't remember the people's names. Now it was Eric Church was going to be there, Lady Annabellum, Cole Swindale, just a lot of the top country singers at the time. But they would start like middle of the day and then play up until, you know, late at night. And we've seen this and we was like, ah, this would be a cool concert to go to. So we went down there and I actually went down on Thursday night.

Another one of my buddies met me, my wife and a bunch of our other friends came down Friday. but like it was pretty much just a drink fest type concert right and saturday another one of my buddies that came late he was like a certified EMT and he always tells me he's like you can't tell people I did that so I can't tell his name but uh he's seeing me and he's like dude he's like you look awful he's like if you slept and I'm like not much and he's like I got something for you and he goes down to the car he brings back an IV bag and he hooks up the IV bag to me and I'm sitting there in the chair and there's a picture i have to see if i can find it and send it to you but uh i'm sitting there in the chair i've got an iv bag hooked to me and i'm still get a beer in my hand and then you

can look on the counter behind me and there's like every liquor bottle you can think of on the counter behind me so it was a good time but now following that we go home gave you the iv to because he felt like you just had too much alcohol in your system yeah but you wanted to keep drinking yeah yeah want to keep going what i understand they do that in vegas quite often unbelievable so yeah we finished this weekend the last concert was on Sunday night and so get up Monday morning

head back now mind you I haven't been home since I left work to go down there so I've got a lot of stuff I got to do to get ready you know wash clothes get ready to go to work next morning had to be to work at 6 in the morning so I'm leaving my house around 5 getting the car heading to work

and there's really no other way to put it I just got sleepy and went off the road you always have that sound when you go off the road that you notice like oh shit you know but it was like I heard that sound for like two seconds

and then I heard like a baseball bat hitting a light pole and it was just bough and at that point I could tell that I was airborne and like for a minute there was nothing it was like I was floating and I was just like where did I run off a cliff

like what the hell's going on and it was just bam bam bam bam bam bam bam they were they were extending out a road making it a two lane into a single lane into two lanes on each side so they were digging out with the backhoe i hit the area where they stopped for the i guess for the day or for the time period and when i went off i hit like a huge section of concrete that was just there just sitting there and when i hit it it basically sent the car in like a torpedo mode So I was flipping corner to corner, not end over in. And so finally, the car finally comes to a stop. It's sitting upside down on another car. And that was the only thing that I could visually see because it was dark. I seen the windshield of that other car. But at the time, I didn't know if I was on the road.

So I'm like, I might have just killed somebody. You know, I was really nervous. But I have my seatbelt on. It's probably the only thing that saved me, really. And I typically don't wear seatbelts, but I did that morning. so I'm trying to brace my below my head so when I undo my seatbelt I don't fall on my neck right as I'm doing that in wiggling it rolls off the truck onto the side so now it's sitting like this with me in the top portion of the driver seat so then I get out the windows are all busted but

I had 10 on the windows so they're not like shattered everywhere which was good so I rolled it down and I was able to literally just climb out of the top so I climbed out and I looked like the first thing I seen was like the driver's side front wheel was completely gone wasn't there and I get up there I'm kind of sitting around I'm trying to get my bearings and this car comes riding by and he's like dude are you all right and I said I think so he's like you need me to call somebody and I was like I said yeah I guess just call an ambulance you know maybe something's wrong that I haven't figured out yet you know I don't know and he's like well you don't need me to stay do you I was like nah I don't know if he was drunk or what he was, but I was just like, no, go ahead.

Just call him for me if you don't mind because I didn't know where my phone was. So I was trying to pick out like the best place to hop down because I was like, I don't want to lift through this wreck, hop down, then that car move again and follow me. So I got down, I went, my phone was actually in my pocket. I never took it out. So I knew where that was. I walked up to this house and the house was real distinctive. It was one of those houses where the whole house looked like a roof.

And it come all the way down to almost like. mid you know mid level but it was it was a very odd built house and i remember like looking at as i walked up like wow this is a crazy looking house so i knocked him the door and the dude comes and he's like yeah and i'm like uh man i just had an accident out here with your uh pickup truck and he's like huh i said i landed on top of your pickup truck and he's like man that's my wife's truck she's had that thing since high school and i'm like well now my bad bro and he just shuts the door just shut it he didn't say you okay you want to drink anything i can do for you you know a cold rag nothing he just shut the door and walked away so i'm like all right guess he's going back

to bed so i was waiting the ambulance got there looking around it's like you know where's the driver and i'm like i'm the driver and i'm like where's the passenger i'm like there wasn't any passengers i know of it was just me i guess they couldn't believe that that wreck i was walking around because i'll show you some pictures of this wreck it's insane like every part of the cars dented in, moonroof blown out, front bumper completely gone, tire completely gone. I mean, it was a mess. Like, even when we went later on to pick it up from the record, a guy asked how the driver was, and I was like, you're looking at him.

He's like, ooh, I figured you'd have been gone. But this started a situation that I had to deal with in my back because I really did get hurt. It wasn't something that was hurt like right off the bat, but it did develop me a lot of back problems that I still deal with. Did you go to the hospital? Yeah. I went to the hospital.

I called after I was waiting when he shut the door on me I called my wife and let her know then I called my job and obviously let them know that I wouldn't be coming in and the ambulance got there and my wife was on the way so by the time she got there it looked a lot worse because they're transporting me to the hospital so they've got me on a board they've got tape wrapped around my head they've got a neck brace on I mean I'm just I looked like I'm you know in bad shape And she's panicking. She's, oh, my God. And I'm just like, no, it's cool.

They're just, it's just precaution. Like, I was literally just standing up two minutes ago. So we go to the emergency room and they run tests and x-rays and the guy comes back out. And he's like, I don't know what your religion is or who you pray to. He's like, but just keep it up. It's working. I was like, all right. But then like a week later, I started, which I knew I was going to be sore the next couple days anyway.

That's always how wrecks are. Yeah. And I started developing some pain in my lower. back and it's like my L4, L5, L5, and S1 are just really, really damaged back there. And since then, I've been using different techniques to try to help it, different shots, cortisone shots, I mean, different things. They're saying it's not imperative enough to go in and require surgery. Stop.

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You do it because then you're going to have a permanent discomfort Yeah for the rest of your life But if we can manage it to where you can You know get by without having to do it It's better this way So those are the steps I've been following since then But that particular incident Kind of started a chain reaction

Because I was out of work for a little while The job that I had got filled I still had a job in the company But the particular job that I had that time got filled so I had to come back and take another job which wasn't as desirable because there's I mean this plant's got like five different divisions in the plan I mean there's hundreds of jobs but the one that I had originally I really really liked and I wound up having to go to another one and that was kind of I would say what started the ball rolling uh on problems

and then what really kicked it into high gear was I had a friend of mine he lived two houses down from me this is a community much like you know the one we're in everybody's real close-knit and we had a group of friends that would get together on the weekends and our kind of tradition was we would go on Fridays to a Mexican restaurant hang out for a little bit then go back to one of our houses in the group

and just hang out in the garage and chill out, you know? Well, this one particular Friday, I could tell that the guy and his wife wasn't getting along and which, I mean, I ain't going to say that was unusual but they didn't do it a lot to the point you go say, oh, well, there they go again. Yeah, yeah. and but I mean great dude anytime I'd ever met him always offered you know to bring

something or you know great mood wife two kids good job off on Fridays had a Harley bike boat drove Mercedes like if you were to say give me a life as a 40-something year old man that's the guy's life you won't right and so we leave there we go to a friend's house we're all sitting around you could tell he was probably drank you know one or two more drinks than usual and my wife calls me she's actually at another friend of ours house that's like right around the corner and she's like hey come over here and you know hang out with us for a little bit so i was like all right so i told everybody there by literally like down the street to the right that's where they live at so i'm there maybe 15 20 minutes we're talking and then all of a sudden you hear the scream

and but we have a lot of kids in our neighborhood so we weren't sure if it was kids playing or whatever because it wasn't super late maybe 10 o'clock and then the more you heard it you could tell it was like it was a serious style screen like something was wrong and I remember real real vividly because the song Johnny Cash hurt was playing on the radio so it was like it kind of gave it more eerier feeling than normal because I remember thinking like God and every time I hear that song I think about this but so we go out and there's only from that guy's house we were at there's only like three houses up interest in the neighborhood but the first house is the couple that I was referring to so it's only like a two house gap between

them in their house. So I go running up and there's this woman rolling around in the ground, just screaming, screaming to the top of her lungs. Can't stop. If she does stop and she takes a breath and start screaming again. Is this your buddy's wife? Yes. I didn't know it at the time. For whatever reason, the guy who housed that I was with, he went straight in the house. I don't know what prompted him to do that, but I thought, because there was a car stopped, I think just trying to figure out what was going on. I was thinking maybe there was a domestic something, guy hit a girl she's rolling around in the ground something like that so i go to the girl in the ground once i roll her over i realized that's the couple that we were with at the mexican restaurant

but she's already in like night clothes i just left they were in you know street clothes and i was just like what the hell's going on and she's like he did it he shot himself and i was like who and she said his name and i was like oh so i went go running in the house and the way his house was set up you come in you had a dining room to the left open area living room to the right and then kitchen was like open to the dining room and I seen a pair of feet like hanging out and when I cut the corner the other friend of mine whose house we were at you know before when all this happened he was already at his head he had his shirt off he had like wrapped it around his head and at the end of the day what had happened was the guy put a gun on his mouth and he committed suicide and Matt when

I tell you this was the worst thing I had ever seen in my life like I had never seen nothing like it before I've been with I've been with family members that have older and passed away so i've seen death and i've seen people die but that was that's different like this was it was just i still i get more nightmares about that than i do anything um that i've went through since then and i think that was just something that kind of started me on a downward spiral i'd say probably a depression too and it led to me and my wife kind of arguing a great deal he's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh his organ donation card lists his charisma his smile is so contagious vaccines have been

created for it he is the most interesting man in the world I don't typically commit crime but when I do it's bank fraud stay greedy my friends support the channel join Matthew Cox's Patreon you didn't know you knew the couple you'd had dinner with but you weren't like were they a part of your group yeah I'd only recently met him, I'd say probably like two months. So we hadn't known each other, you know, like I said, years and years, but the, he was just one of people that as soon as he come in, he was going to click with whatever group he was with, you know, he's just, he just, so what did you find out happen?

He just walked in there, pulled the fucking gun like it or were, well, remember I told you, I could tell they were arguing at the dinner. And from what I know, they had some arguments earlier on in the dinner. And there was a lot of stuff, I guess, behind the scenes that people didn't know. and it boiled over that night and it was a situation where he had apparently threatened to do this a couple times and so it was, you know, probably thought it was that again, but this time he actually went through with it. But this, I mean, he had never said that around any of the guys that had been with them. You know, hey, I'm battling, I'm struggling, you know, that was never

done. So obviously you hear that, you're thinking, well, he's probably doing that to control the woman. Right. Which is, you know, sadly, some people do that, you know, they'll threaten that to to keep a woman under control. But like, if I had had to put money on any of my friends doing it, he would have been the last one to do it. Because, I mean, like I said, he had, on the surface, he had everything you wanted for a guy at his age. So, okay, so that slowly started leading to, you know,

you and your wife started having problems. Like, what are those arguments over? At the time, drinking, I just didn't want to be home. I felt like if I was home, I was just going to sit there and be miserable. and it was, you know, and a lot of it was my fault. I'll square the shoulders on a lot of it, you know, put the blame on my shoulders. You know, we had had issues from before, not, I shouldn't say issues, but we had had petty fights about stuff, but like, you know how women are. Sometimes they will come back up later on.

And I'm not that type of guy like, when we put a problem or an issue to bed, I don't want to bring it up again in six months. Yeah, yeah. You know, and sometimes that would happen. And it was just like, it was getting to the point to where I told my wife, I was like, you know what, we need a break. And I thought it was the right thing to do. I didn't say, you know, it's over, you know, don't ever want to see you again. I eventually led to that while we were going to get a divorce. But at first, we was just like, hey, we need a break.

We need to separate. And once we separated, I let her stay in the house that we were living at. And I moved into someone's house that was still in the neighborhood that was around the corner. and I told him I was like or told her I was like look I said if you start seeing somebody like you got to let me know because I'm not going to be paying the bills at this house and another dude coming over sitting on my couch and watching ESPN on my TV right you know what I'm saying so eventually that did start to happen she did meet somebody and I figured she would meet somebody I mean my wife's a great chick you know and I put she's got her uh she went and got her master

she just recently got her doctorate so like she's very smart um and she brings a lot to the table so i knew if she started to be actively looking it would not take long right for someone to jump on that so i didn't even have a problem with the guy you know doing that if i would have been in his situation i would have jumped at the chance too so when this happened this is around this is in 2017 the guy's suicide was in like august july august this is around november when she tells me that you know she met someone i'm just like all right well remember the transition i told you you You know, you got to slide on out wherever you goes up to you. And November the 1st, it was a day after Halloween.

I remember we went over there and took my son trick-or-treating. And then the next day, she moved out to another house. The way our neighborhood is set up, you've got like five different communities. So you have mine, which is like old rice, and you have two or three more all the way back. I mean, it goes from miles. Yeah, that's like this one. You saw all the different subdivisions all located in one massive community.

Right. And that's exactly what we are. And she moved in one about three subdivisions back. And I mean, I broke her balls for a little bit about them. Like you couldn't have moved like, you know, 10 minutes away, you know, something like that. And now I've got to bump into you at Publix or something. But, you know, it still wasn't a hateful. It wasn't like we hated each other.

And, you know, that was the situation. I mean, she was doing her thing. She met the guy. The guy moved in. I was doing my thing. And it was what it was. We were going to get a divorce. Did you know the guy?

No. I had no idea who he was. He was not from around here. had recently moved here and uh so we were going forward with everything we agreed we were going to get a divorce um partly because i could give her some of my money from my 401k and i was actually it was kind of a workaround for me i was going to pull more out agree to pull more out than what she wanted and then she was going to give it back to me right so if she only wanted to pay the fees right to pay the fees and all that was a way for me to kind of get an early withdrawal basically a little

work around. So if the IRS is listening, that didn't happen. So we're good. That's fine. No harm, no file. So that was a plan. So I hired a divorce attorney. And we just really didn't talk until around the month of December. We were trying to figure out like how we were going to do things with the kids and, you know, who was going to go where, what was going to go what. And we're just talking. I'm like, you know, how's things going with you? And she's like, eh, not too good, this, that and the other. And, you know, I was kind of, you know, messing with her i was like i told you you know you're gonna have a hard time trying to find somebody that's gonna put up with all your shit you know and uh slowly but surely we started kind of talking

again but i think we both weren't sure if it was something we wanted to restart but there was definitely still love there you know and that's that was normal yeah that's very common yeah i was actually saying that to to connor i was like you know guys will like you can have a breakup and then you'll it's funny even people couples that are at each other's throat you still every couple of weeks you might get that phone call like can you come over you know you're like yeah you're like fuck yeah you come over you stay the night you get up and leave the next morning next thing you know two weeks later even though you're seeing somebody else you know there's that slight overlap until you get to a point where you're like one of the two people says yeah we're not doing

this anymore yeah i'm with this person this is over like but there's usually that kind of you know or even sometimes it's it's just a matter of this person has been in your life so long long things happen and you need somebody to tell yeah you know so you tell the person that you were closest to even though it's not working out yeah and that was that was a lot with me and her like you know we've had a lot of people pass away and in her family um her dad who was hugely important in her life uh he passed away and that was like really put a number on her um later on her aunt suddenly shockingly dashed she had a brain tumor and the their family structure she was only just a couple years older than my wife. So even though that was her aunt, they were more

like sisters because the time gap wasn't, or age gap wasn't very huge. They both had daughters that were the same age. So, you know, we've been through a lot together. And I think to your point, that's exactly what it was. And sometimes, you know, you just need family. Yeah. And people that, you know, you know, you're back story and aren't going to judge you for it. And, you know, things that's happened. And I think that was a lot of what led us back together because there was no doubt we loved each other. It was just to a point to where it was becoming that Pam and Tommy relationship. Right. And we kind of was seeing each other on and off. And that lasted through Christmas. We seen each other a little bit through Christmas. And fast forward to that kind of went

off and on for the next couple months. Then we got to Easter. And at this point, the guy was living with her at her home. He had then moved out. I think in January, he left. to go back home and was going to stay home. I'm not sure what happened and home for him, I think was Pennsylvania, I think. But something happened and he didn't wind up staying and he came back. But when he come back, he didn't live there. Now, he would still come, but he didn't live there.

And when it got to around Easter, I was just like, look, you know, if we're going to do this, let's do it. Let's give it a shot. Let's put everything we got into it because it's probably be like one done. If we don't get it this time, you know, it's probably time to push the chips in. And I was like, but he's going to have to go. You're going to have to tell him, you know, you're coming back here.

Just tell him, you know. And that was kind of what set everything in motion because we were together for a whole weekend. We went to her mom's for Easter weekend. We went to Myrtle Beach, stayed up there for like four days. And then we come back on a Thursday, come back on a Friday, Friday. And my son had a soccer game the next day on a Saturday. And I was like, all right, were you going to tell him? And, you know, tonight, everything, what was going on.

And she's like, yeah, I'll tell him. So at the soccer game, I'm sitting there and she comes up. And I was like, well, how do you take it? And he's like, he didn't take it. She said he came in, said his head was killing him. He went straight to bed. Now, this guy was a former vet, and he had diagnosed PTSD. So some of the meds that he was on, when he would come home,

he would take him and just pass right out. Right. And I don't know all the names of the meds and stuff that he was on, but that's generally what would happen. And so she said, all right, I'm going to tell him today. And I was like, okay, let me know what's going on. You know, just keep me in the loop if you need me and call me. Let's fast forward to, I'd say probably about 6 o'clock.

She said she told him and he was pissed and he left and he grabbed his dog. He had a service dog. And she's like, but I know he's not gone because he's still got to come back to get all of his stuff. And I'm like, all right, well, you might better go back there because if he sees you here, then he's really going to get pissed. And so this is probably like eight or not. nine o'clock I'm with some friends of mine around the corner the same guy we're going to circle back around to the same guy that I was with the night that my friend shot himself right he calls me

and he knew what was going on he knew the situation because he's a good friend of mine he knew that we had split up then he knew we were about to reconcile but he also knew about the other guy and he called me and he was like hey where you at and I said I'm at a friend of mine's around a corner he knew the guy's name was Nate and he said well if you come by here and you see the guys I don't really remember what I want to say his name but he was like if you see someone's those truck here you know don't stop and I'm like all right

well you want to give me a little bit more on that you know what's going on and he said well they come riding by and he said I went up to the car and it was like you know hey guys what's going on and he said I could tell your wife was visibly shaking and he said I asked him what's up and he said oh I'm just looking for Chip because when I find him

I'm a fucking kill him now I didn't know this that all this was going on so I'm trying to call her phone to figure out what's happening her phone's going straight to voicemail because I guess when he came back things got violent he was punching holes in the wall he broke her phone apparently roughed her up a little bit but I had no way to find all this out because her phone was smashed so later on he calls me again and he said hey I'm going to have him at my house he said if you come by here it's just going to be him but he's like I'm going to try to talk figure out what's

going on but if you ride by here you know just don't stop i don't want anything going on at my house i'm like all right you know that's fine so i go back to my house i'm just sitting there i think i was watching like a ufc or something on tv and my daughter calls me she worked he knows where you live though right yeah yeah he knows he knew but my car wasn't at my house when they were looking for me i was looking for me he was making her drive around looking for me probably would have stopped by and things would have maybe who knows how they win at that point in time but by the time you know I get home this is this is probably like 1230 because it's like the main event of the UFC's coming on right then which is why I went to my house to watch it so it's probably at least 1231 o'clock

because they come on pretty late east coast time and I talked to my daughter she worked at the Mexican restaurant that I was talking about earlier I said I called her I said when you get home let me know your mom's okay so she gets home and then she calls me from my daughter's phone she's like yeah she's like he got upset but she said jamie got him he's at jamie's house you know don't worry about it he's he's gonna be staying there and so i'm thinking all right well he's going to be staying there they're good i'm i'm good so i'm in bed watching the ufc and then all of a sudden i get a text but it's from his phone and he said hey are you home and i text back i said yeah i'm home and he's like can me and you talk and i was like yeah about what and he was

like man he said I don't want no drama I don't want no BS he said but I feel like I'm being lied to on certain situations and he said I feel like you'll tell me the truth and he's like if you want to we can meet at Jamie's house which was my friend right down the street and I was like okay that's fine and so my my thinking is here is if I can diffuse this situation because obviously he's pissed because he thinks this has been going on while he's there that he wasn't privy to it been going on so I'm a pretty smooth talking and I'm thinking I can diffuse this yeah and just think hey maybe she just wants to come back on so we go down there and that's exactly what it was he was just saying you know I want to know

how long you guys have been talking you know I was like what to start with that's still my wife so it's really none of your business how long we've been talking but to answer your question like this just we just decided this both recently and so it would go from like high tension to back to being nothing at all to i'd say fast forward two hours and it was basically like three guys sitting in the garage talking right just with weird extenuating circumstances right but we go to leave and this is now this is probably like 2 30 about a time we get together there we're talking probably 430 the guy whose house we were at was like all right i'm fixing to shut it down he's like if you want to stay here you can stay here he said or you get chipped to run you home whatever you want to do

and I looked at him and he was like he said do you care you know running me home I was like no I don't care so we shut the garage and then he's like you know man I don't know if I want to go home he said I know if we go home we're going to start fighting and my house from his house is like six houses down the other way and he said do you care if we go to go to your house I'm like no I don't care because at this point I didn't perceive this guy as a threat right now I'm not going to say we were friends but you know I just didn't perceive him as of being violent so we go and we pull in during the time we were talking in the garage, the story I just referenced you about the guy to committed suicide came up. Well, I don't know if he was trying to match the story or, you know, to say something similar, but he held up his wrist and he was talking about a bracelet that he had. He's like, do you know why I wear this? And I'm thinking, no, I would not know why you wear that. But I said no. And he told me the story of a guy that he was in service with. He was in the army that they were together in combat and he the guy got shot in the head he was trying to save him but whatever he did wasn't the proper protocol and they kicked him out of the army

for it whatever they call you that um they got a name for it when they not dishonorably dishonorably charged I think maybe dishonorably charged dishonorably discharged maybe that might be what it is but in actuality that wasn't even true I didn't find out later It was partly true. I didn't find out later to he was never actually in like battle. He was intelligence. He sent a guy into somewhere with his intelligence that got that individual killed, which was what got him booted out,

which was why he was diagnosed with PTSD because it did bother him, which was also the reason why right before him and my wife met, he had just gotten out of a mental institution in Alabama, which she didn't know until much, much later in the relationship. So that was the correlation, but he put it like he was there himself. Right. When in actuality, he was kind of behind the scene. Still, it was still his fault.

And you could tell that it bothered him like he was crying. He cried in the car. So at that point, I'm really thinking this dude just maybe just needs somebody to talk to. You know, now he's losing, you know, what he thought was his relationship. And, you know, maybe he just needs someone to talk to. So we go in my house, you know, looking around, just talking different things. this is probably four o'clockish somewhere along in that neighborhood you know had a we each did a shot we're talking about different things and we get them the subject to tattoos and uh we were talking

about another one of my friends and moms he's like well she's always said you know crappy things about people with tattoos he's like you're covered in them does she ever say anything to you and i was like no she ain't ever said that to me i said i got them all over and i kind of pulled down my shirt slightly and he's seen this one on my chest and when he's seen it he reached at the bottom of my shirt and pulled my shirt up to see it. And when he did, he noticed, if you see right here, I got an open heart surgery scar right there. Okay. When he's seen that scar, he was like, damn, he's like, what happened there? And I said, I had open heart surgery, my senior year in high school. And he's like, you know, just you had a heart attack? And I was like, no, I said it was

something that they knew from birth. It was a, they called it a VSD, basically a hole in the heart. I said, but my senior year, they were able to tell that the hole was bigger than what they thought. and that if it was going to be repaired, better to be repaired then up under my mom's insurance than to do it later on, you know, later on life where the complications might be worse. Right. So senior in high school,

I missed half my year for getting the heart surgery done. And when he's seen that, he was kind of like, you could just tell his whole demeanor kind of just changed. And you know how when people, especially when they've had too much to drink, they do that shit where they like bro hug, you know, and kind of like bear hug you and pick you up.

So he'd done that. And I didn't think much of it at the time. that he did it. I just, you know, I didn't never been around a guy. I didn't know how he could hold his alcohol. I didn't know how much he had to drink. I know he was drinking at the garage, and then when we got back to my house, he had two Landshark beers, and then we each shared a shot. Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud.

Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. So he goes to the bathroom, and I kind of move to where my stove is. Now, my kitchen is set up basically like an L. So you have the refrigerator here and a hallway here. After a refrigerator, and you got to stove, and it curves back around in the sink. So it's very tight and confined.

I'm sitting up against the stove, just, you know, chilling, waiting on him to get out. I actually think I was responding to some messages throughout the night. I even text my wife from my son's phone. I'm just like, hey, everything's good. You know, he's actually with me. We're just talking, trying to make sure everything's good before I bring him back over there. He comes out of the kitchen or out of the bathroom, into the kitchen.

He comes straight up to me, and the first thing he does is, like, grabs me and jacks me up. So, of course, like, my ass goes up onto a stove. I'm trying to figure out what, like, what the hell's going on? And he's like, I'm going to fucking kill you. And I'm just like, I thought he was joking. for a minute but then like the more I could feel his hand and I seen that look in his eyes I was like all right this dude's not joking so I was able to get down off the stove he tries to like knee me

bring up his knee so I turn my body a little bit he still got me slightly but he didn't really get it full effect and I told him I was like dude if you don't get off me I'm gonna shoot you and he goes back he cocks back his right hand and and I'll jump back one second whenever he pulled up that shirt to see that scar he had to see that I was I had a gun on me because that's where it was right and I was a CWP carrier. I had been for years. I'd own gun since I was 18 years old. So it was normal for me to have a gun because I know that was the first thing. Why'd you have a gun? I'm a CWP holder. I always have a gun. Right. I'd had it for years. And I've been pulled over with that same gun with those numbers ran. So there's documentation that that's the gun that I carry around. Well, when he swings,

he's holding me with his left. He's swinging with his right. He kind of like clips my chin. So he doesn't hit it fully so as his body's turning he lets go with his hand so at that point i stepped back into the corner literally in a corner and he's already coming back at me and i pulled out and i shot i thought it was twice turns out it was three times i didn't learn that until later but like it's and that's a guy thing you know guys will talk junk to each other you know maybe via text message or maybe in face-to-face but when you put hands on somebody yeah like that's a that's another level and then i don't know this guy really like that and you know with the situation that he just talked about obviously know he's got some things going on mentally he is getting told

that you know we're getting back together and then he tells me he's going to kill me i got to take him at his word yeah well and he's he's in your house yeah it's a bad situation he's drinking he's attacking you and the the what i don't what i i always find so whenever you hear about like a police shooting or they wrestle then people are they didn't have to shoot him well wait a minute the officer's armed. So you think, oh, he could have just wrestled with him. No, there's a gun there. That can go so badly, so quickly that the moment that person says,

hey, I'm going to, I'm going to fight you. And I have a gun. I've got to pull my gun because the chances that you could get the gun and kill me. And you're the one who's being aggressive means that I have to stop the situation immediately. I can't get into a, it's not like we can get into a wrestling match and we're going to break it apart. You're attacking me. I have a gun. I could get shot with my own gun.

If anybody's getting shot and I've got a gun, it's going to be you. You're attacking me. That's the whole stand your ground. Yeah. Stand your ground, castle law. Absolutely. And you're in my house. Like, what do you think?

Like, every single step of this situation is just not in his favor. Exactly. And he's already telling somebody prior to find, driving around looking for him, telling people I'm going to kill him. You thought you'd diffuse the situation, goes to your house, attacks you. Like, and now. That was exactly what you just said because I, the surgery, I mentioned earlier about the back issues, the surgeries that I was having at the time, they would go in and they would basically

burn the nerve endings away from the spine. And it would hurt for a couple weeks, but then after that, you would have pretty good pain relief for about six to eight months because these nerve endings will reattach themselves. And I had just had this done about a week before this happening. So my mobility was already like very limited in this. And plus, you know, this was a big dude, like he's former military. I mean, he was a big guy. So it was really I didn't have any choice because it was like when he's telling me

that, I got to take him at his word. And at that point, like the first thing in my head was like one of us ain't coming out of his kitchen. Right. And that was, that was just it. And as soon as I shot him, he dropped. I was just, you know, the first instinct was like, what the fuck just happened? So I put the gun down, picked up the phone immediately called 911.

I didn't touch him. move anything I didn't mess with anything because at my point in my mind I haven't done anything wrong right I've defended myself in my house now the 911 call which there's portions of it available online has become a huge point of of contention because when I was on the phone the first thing that I said was I had a friend of mine in my house he started hitting me I had no choice I had to shoot him the friend of mine thing got blown real out of proportion because people was like well they weren't friends and I'm just like I didn't have time to tell the whole

fucking story to the 911 operator and sum it up. Yeah, but all right, well he's dying but wait a minute, let me tell you this long story for 20 minutes. I just, it was the first thing that I could think of to get her to there because it wasn't a robber. I didn't want to think he was robbing me. Right. But that was the first thing that I said. Yeah, maybe

not the best choice of words, but you try to be it in a situation and coming up with a better explanation to get him there. My main thing is I just wanted him to get there. Yeah. And so I talked to the 911 operator and she's like, you know, So how is he, this, that, and the other. Is he breathing?

Is he talking? Is he moving? And I'm telling her what he was doing. He never talked. He was making some noises. And she was like, you know, you have a towel nearby. And I said, yeah, there's one of my bathroom. She said, you go get the towel and place it over the wounds.

I run into the bathroom. I yank the towel so hard off the bathroom wall that it brings the whole damn bracket with it. You know, the little bracket to hang your towel. So I go back. I pull up his shirt and I see two small wounds that looks like. It looks like if you were to take a pencil and just stab through paper, very, very small. Right. And I put the towel over that and I hold it until the police get there.

Sit there and I'm on, she's like, you know, is the door unlocked? I said, yeah, she's like, you know, make sure the gun's unloaded, out of sight. You don't want to have that on you when the cops get there. I'm like, it's on the counter. It's unloaded. I was like, the door's unlocked. They can just come on in, whatever they want to do. And she said, okay, the officer's there.

She said, we need you to go outside with your hands up. So I go outside, hands up. they cuffed me but he doesn't say I'm under arrest he just said we got to see what's going on so he cuffs me puts me in the car he was the first officer on the scene so he goes in and checks everything out then there's another officer and then cops just keep coming keep coming and you'd imagine if something out like that happens in one of these streets and all these streets are filled with cops every neighbors because at this point it's 6.37 in the morning every neighbor's like looking out the window what the hell's going on I'm sitting out there in a cop car in the back

seat there's ambulances there now there's like the fire ems is there now i mean it's the whole street is pat and i'm just sitting there waiting and i see him finally bring him out and they get on they get in the ambulance they leave still nobody's come to me for anything finally a female cop comes back and she reads me my rights and asks me if i'm you know wants to answer any questions and i told her no not without a lawyer so that was that part so i knew they couldn't ask me anything else I'd say probably another hour goes by and I'm still in there and I'm kind of nodding to one of the cops

like telling him to come here and he's like yeah and I was like dude I got to go to the bathroom and he's like I don't know what to tell you you're going to have to hold it and I was like no I don't know what to tell you like there's no holding it's about to happen

it can happen in this car in this yard or in the house but like I gotta go so they let me go or they took me out they took me upstairs into my house and they was like you know there's somewhere here you can change

clothes and I'm like yeah this is my house and so everything enters my house so we go upstairs changed clothes they take all the clothes that I have on that day shirt pants boots all that stuff which is I guess common and I changed clothes and he asked me if there's anywhere I can go until everything gets resolved and I'm like well yeah there's a by this time I mean people that I knew in that neighborhood were like sitting around the house and golf carts just trying to figure out what the hell is going on so I go and I pick one of I'm like hey I'm gonna go hang out at your house until they finish and he's like all right so I told them what the address was and we go over there and it's like probably eight in the morning nine in the morning at this point you know I'm still

haven't been to bed yet I mean just you know adrenaline still through the roof and I'm waiting and he pulls back up one of the detectives pulls back up and he's like are you ready to answer some questions for us and I was like well no like I said not without a lawyer and he's like well who's your lawyer well at the time I was using my divorce lawyer who was also a former cop so I told him his name. And he's like, well, I know him. He's like, well, we'll get together Monday morning and, uh, you know, we'll give you some questions to answer. We'll go through that. He says, so just look to get with him sometime Monday morning to answer our question. And I don't know if you're going to come in or write a statement or what. I'm like, okay. So I said, I'm free to go back

home. And they said, yeah, you're free to go. And I was like, you know, what about, you know, is there any mess? And he's like, he said, I don't think there's much. He said, but that's not on us to clean up. He said, that's on you. Because at all they do is handle the crime scene and then they leave. It doesn't matter what's left. That's not, that is not their responsibility to clean up. Well, by this time, somebody had already called my mom. My mom lives about two hours away. So she's there. When I come back, obviously, she's hysterical. And when we went in the house, there really wasn't a lot there. Like there was very, very little blood, so much to the fact if she took like two paper towels and just wiped the floor and then it was done. That was it. So it's

not like on TV when you see somebody shoot somebody and the whole wall gets covered in blood it was it was not like that at all matter of fact the whole situation while I was there I never seen blood at all so the day goes by get up Monday morning I think I might have slept a couple hours that night it was still just everything was just still 100 miles an hour so I go to my lawyer's office we write a statement we send it to them they obviously want to talk to my wife she goes she gives statement then on Wednesday I see my lawyer call him and he's like hey I got some bad news

and I'm like what and he's like they're charging you a murder and I was like why and he was like I don't know did you ever think that was coming no especially not after they let me go like that morning I figured I was probably going to have to go to jail but once they figured out what happened everything happened especially

with you know all the proof there they would let me go that was what I was thinking but then when they didn't even take me to jail you thought you never I'm never doing yeah this is this is like they realize what happened yeah this is clear cut because the way everything happened in that kitchen I'll get into this a little bit more a little bit but like everything was backed up just by the way stuff happened so two two out of the three shots went through and through one of them hit my refrigerator and then bounced and hit a wall the other one hit uh like a 24 pack of water that was

sitting beside refrigerator the other one struck that so what that did was that proved that I said I was standing in the corner. Right. It proved that I was standing in the corner. Otherwise, you can't get that indentation on that refrigerator to bounce over here if you're anywhere else but where I told you. Also, a shell casing was recovered in the sink, which when you're in that corner, showcasing or sinks to the right, shell casings are ejected to the right and back.

So everything was lining up that way. And trust me, I did not have the wherewithal at that time to go start checking all this stuff out. You know, measuring stuff and looking for stuff. stuff. It was just, I didn't need to lie. I didn't need to tell anything that didn't happen because everything was the truth and it, it was backed up by what I said. Right. So he tells me they're going to do that. And I'm just like, dude, you know, I don't really know about you handling this. I was like, no disrespect. But like, if you handled a case like this before and he's

like, well, I've handled a few. He's like, but if you want to look for other options, he's like, that's on you. He's like, you know, I won't get mad or upset. He's like, this is the one a case that you got to deal with. So I started hanging up to phone and calling people that I know around the area, and I'm like, who's the best attorney for this? And I keep hearing one name over and over and over again, Andy Savage. Even from towns where I grew up in in Darlington calling guys there, you know, big, big shot lawyers, Andy Savage, Andy Savage, Andy Savage.

I hear that name probably 10 times. I don't think I heard a different name when I was telling them what was going on. So at this point, it's late in the day on Tuesday. They want me to turn myself in on Wednesday. So it's like, we're talking less than 24 hours here. I got to turn myself into jail. So I called his, they were closed, but you have like a 1-800 number, whatever you can leave a message and it gets checked.

And if it's important enough, then they contact him. Left a message told him what was going on. He calls me, kind of gets a little gist of it. He said, I don't want to know everything. He said, just give me the broad strokes. When are you supposed to be turning yourself in? I told him, he said, be at my office at 630. morning I was like all right so me my wife my mom they carry me up there 630

and we basically break down the story kind of just at this point from what we knew you know told him everything and he was like why are we here and I was like your guess is good as mine bro I don't know like you know they can't even they can't even paint this as a jealousy thing because he wasn't the one he would be the one that would be the jealous one not me right like it's not like this just happened yeah it's not like he took your wife and you brought a lure him to your house and shot him right this is him he's getting his walking he's getting the boot exactly and usually nine times out of 10 you probably know this

whoever's where they're not supposed to be is the one with the problem right that's that's typically how it is and he was just like is an election year is somebody trying to make a statement and i'm just like i don't know i just know i didn't do anything wrong so huge amount of money we got to come this good lawyers are not cheap if anybody out there that finds their self in need of an attorney, they're worth every penny, or the right ones could be, mine was, but they are not cheap.

But the reason they're not cheap is like, as I'm sitting here telling him this stuff, like I'm mentioning names, this, that, and the other papers are just being printed stuff on the guy, on me, on everything, on his military records. I mean,

just everything that could be pulled was being pulled like almost verbatim as I'm saying it. Like it was literally, that scene was like something, out of a movie everything that was being done and he goes and he said when are you supposed to turn yourself in i said today like in a couple hours of 12 o'clock and he's like give me a minute so he comes back and he's like all right i got your uh you don't have to go till friday he's like but i'm gonna try to get it pushed back till sunday he said i'm telling him i'm taking you on as a client

you know we're gonna we need some time to get stuff ready so basically what he needs for me is he's like you know reach out to everybody you know get some character letters wrote up you know talking about who you are what kind of person you are he said we'll present that with a judge to a judge for bond. He's like, typically in situations like this, I like to tell people to just sit in jail for a while and wait and let the heat die down. He's like, but in your case, I don't really see any reason why you should have to do that.

Because he actually represented, I don't know if you remember the case, but Mark Schlager, where Walter Scott, there was a video of the guy running away and the cop shot him like nine times. Oh, yeah, was unarmed? Yeah, well, there's more to it than that. But my lawyer was Walter Scott's lawyer. No, excuse me, Mark Schlager's lawyer. And he actually got him off on the local trial,

but then the state come in and you can get him off. He got him off on the state and then the feds come in. He actually got found guilty in the feds. But so he was. But that wasn't for murder in the feds? It was for, wasn't it for like violation, his civil right? It was something along those lines, yeah, because he got, I want to say he got like 17, 18 years.

I could be off on the number, but listening to the CSI guy that we wound up getting from my case, done a podcast, breaking down like that Walter Scott actually used the taser on Schlegger and which gave him right to be able to fire.

Now then you have to tie in, you know, was all the, what all happened before the video got put on, but that's, you can talk for a whole other show just about that alone. That's craziness.

But that was the same guy that, you know, represented him. and so we got all the stuff together we got all the character letters together and then he wound up did getting it pushed back until sunday he's like you don't have to turn yourself into sunday at 1 o'clock so i'm like you know a couple days yeah at least you don't have to sit in jail over the weekend yeah sit in jail over the weekend that's a couple days so we're trying to get everything together we get care i think i got like 65 character letters from different people i would have had a lot

more but some of my friends are felons and they're like i don't know if i should write one and i'm just like well maybe you're right just just keep your letter i was like i appreciate it but just keep your letter and so we go in and everybody comes down to my house like that weekend I don't want it to sound like we weren't care it was almost like a party right like going away party kind of like everybody come we eat you could tell there was like an uncomfortableness amongst everybody but it was kind of like you know just in case something goes wrong if they do decide to keep me or whatever reason it was just one last time everybody's getting together so we get together, we eat, everybody hangs out, and then Sunday morning, me and my wife got in the back

of the car and my mom and stepdad took me to jail and dropped me off and, you know, I hugged everybody before I went in because I didn't know what was going to happen. I mean, getting bond for murder is not an easy thing. Right. A lot of times you don't get bond for murder. You have to stay in for a while. So it was a, I went in there not really knowing what was going to happen. I go in and, you know, sit down on the bed. I'd never been arrested before, mind you. I don't want to I want to make this clear. I'm not somebody that's a frequenter of the county jail. I've never been arrested before in my life.

But this was a big one to go in there for. And I sit down on the bench and there's this guy. And you could tell you was like an old biker guy or whatever, you know, probably had a little bit too much to drink. And he's like, a bench of shame, huh? He's like, yeah, I guess you could say that. You know, because I'd always been told, you know, just don't talk. Don't talk.

Just stay quiet. Stay quiet. So he says that and they fingerprint us and, excuse me. do all that good stuff, take us to the holding room, and he sits by me, and he's like talking, talking, talking, and then they come to see the magistrate. Well, I already knew that with my charge, a magistrate couldn't grant me by, I had to go in front of the circuit court. Well, they take me, another younger kid, that guy, all to the room.

Now, we're handcuffed, wrist-to-wrist, ankle-to-ankle, having to shimmy down the hall, and one-by-one. My last name is Williamson, so I'm always going to be last, and everything they call. The first kid was like possession of marijuana. You know, PR Bond, he goes, that was DUI, second offense. You'll have to get somebody to bail you out, yada. Say, Mr. Williamson, you're being charged of murder and a violent crime.

And when that guy, when he said that, the guy that I've been talking to this whole time, he's just like, and he just kind of start scooting down away. So I was like, you know, yes, sir, I know I have to see the circuit court. we go back into the room he immediately comes straight in picks the stuff where it was that ghosted opposite sort of the room don't say nothing else

to me the rest of the time that's funny yeah so I was like well at least I can get some little peace and quiet here that didn't last very much long either because this is like the holding tank you know as people are getting arrested everybody goes into this tank

until it starts to get full and then they'll start dispersing you out into the pods of the prison but I knew I had court the next morning at 9 a.m. so I'm still in street clothes and we have court 9 a.m. They come and get me. And I'm in a room with all, like, people that have been there for a while.

One guy had just set a sister on fire. He's waiting to see the circuit court judge. And that's the thing is, like, you have to see the circuit court. The circuit court rotates throughout the county. So if I'd have went in there and they would have been in another county, say Dorchester County, I'd have to wait until they rolled back around to my county, which was Berkeley County. Luckily, they were in Berkeley County that week, so I didn't have to wait. I was able to literally go to court for it the next day.

So I caught a break on that. He's in there, like I said, he said, his sister on fire. He comes back in, happy, smiling, because he only got 14 years because he could have got 30. Another guy's in there saying how he's going to go to Atlanta to, he's going to tell the cops, he's going to testify against somebody to get him locked up, but he's really going to Atlanta because Atlanta's prisons got better food, and he'll get better food for a couple weeks. because the prison food where I guess we were at here was horrible one other guys in they're talking about if he sees another guy and so and so in the court he's going to kill him

right there I mean I'm listening to all this being said and I'm just like geez I'm saying to myself like so I'm just around about some real fucking derelict yeah like these are some real fucking dudes like there there's no bullshit in here and I'm just sitting there and one of and I was like I hope nobody asked me like what I'm in there for and sure enough when I was like you know what you're in there for family court and uh because they were all in like the jumpsuits and i'm in regular street clothes so i'm in like yeah something like that and then one guy knew he was like you're the kid from can bay and i'm just i kind of looked at him i was like yeah he's like we got TVs in here we see the news just like

everybody else and i'm like yeah that's me he's like you got a lawyer and i said yeah and they was like who and i say and he said but he was like you're all right and again this first time i'd ever met this dude i never needed a lawyer before but everybody knows this guy's So we go in there They finally called me up I'm in there for God What seemed like an hour And the walk

From the county lockup Where you're at in the holding To get to the courtroom Is like underground Like a dungeon So I mean like We're walking through there And I'm just

Every horror movie's playing in my head Like dung I mean it was just really really scary looking So we get over there We go in Massive courtroom I mean huge flags everything, the courtroom's packed full of people.

I just never been anything like this in my life. So I go shoot me over to my lawyer. Their lawyer for the states arguing that I shouldn't be giving bond, that I'm in danger to the community, yada, yada, yada. My lawyer's saying, look, this guy's never been in trouble. He's had a good job.

He's an upstanding member of his own community. Everybody knows him. You know, so they fight back and forth. When any court show that I've ever seen, when a judge makes a ruling, she makes it right then. You know, either bond granted or bond and I right so I'm waiting and she goes okay I'll make my decision let you guys know bang and hits the gavel and I'm just like well that's not what I was planning on something

I looked at my life I was like what the fuck is that mean he's like I guess that means she'll let us know yeah so they're automatically like taking me off you know I'm looking back kind of like you know whispered mouth into my family know I love you all I've seen all them in the back so they're taking me back to the room and you got to get on this thing where they you know rearrange your cuffs and put it back like you were and I asked the guy I was like so what does that mean she'll get back with me like what does that mean exactly he's like I should probably have you an answer in a week or so I'm like a week or so what the fuck so we get back in and I'm just like I didn't even know that was

a thing like I thought they were supposed to give you an answer right then so I called my wife on the phone after about an hour or two from jail and I was like all right what the fuck is going on and she said well she's already made her decision she's going to give you bond she's like but they might not process the paperwork until tomorrow so you might have to stay in there another night. I'm just like, all right, well, if I got to, I can do another night. I didn't really sleep much anyway.

And so I was like, all right, I can do another night if you need to be. She said, but you may still get out. I don't know. I was like, all right. So this is like three, four, an afternoon. Like nine. And people are still getting out.

Yeah, that was time. That paperwork process takes a while. So seven, eight, nine o'clock, people are still getting out. Hey, you're going home. Hey, you're going home. But you're pretty much thinking I'm staying the night. I was, I was hoping,

but I was planning on staying the night. but I just figured nobody would come for me if I wasn't getting out because when they come it's usually to say hey you're getting out yeah so about 930 they don't come in to say we're just checking on yeah just making sure you're okay you're needed a good space room service anything yeah they're not real concerned about you so no and the guy and I also mentioned this really quick the guy the um the biker guy was in there I swore I thought this dude was going to die right there in the cell he had asthma and they refused to give him his inhaler and this dude I mean he looked like he was

trying to breathe air through a flat and straw yeah i mean and every time he would ask about it they would say okay we'll look into it will let you know i'll let you die yeah i was like i've known going to fucking die if they don't give him something yeah you're seeing people as does happen to from exactly that uh um asthma they wouldn't give him his handler they said oh the next day it'll tomorrow he's like no you don't understand i i i'm not uh what are there's different classifications yeah if i don't have it i'll die they were like yeah well i don't know which one is tell you go go go back to your fucking like they don't give a fuck yeah and then sure enough that night, he died.

Wow. Woke up the next day, dead. I guess he didn't wake up the next day, dead. Yeah. His celly woke up the next day, and he was dead. Wow. That's crazy. But, yeah, so 10 o'clock, 930, 10 o'clock, they opened up the door, Williamson.

So I'm like, fucking stoked. I'm like, shit, I got it done. I'm out of here. I hop down, get there, and as crazy as it is, the guy looked at him, and he's like, you're Leah's dad, right? And Leah's my stepdaughter. And I'm just like, yeah. And he's like, my wife used to try.

train her for gymnastics I was like oh how you doing you know how we could cash out yeah fancy meeting you here and uh I was like I'm getting out here and he's like no we got to transfer you and I'm like transfer me where and he's like to the pod and I'm like I'm supposed to be getting out like in the morning like I've already got bond he's like doesn't matter he's like it just goes by the order of who was here he's like you're the next one to go and I'm just like well son of a bitch so they take me they swap me out and give me to jump suit flip flops the you know little bag cup three and one body wash shampoo conditioner toothbrush roll the toilet paper and send you in so you go in and

the one I was in it was like a big open area room with like those chairs that everything on it around there's no sharp points on them chairs at all and the TV and then you got a bottom floor and a top floor well then when you go in there it's basically like just an open dorm there's there's bunks in there but it's just open from one end of the wall to the other so a lot of people in here. So I'm walking. I'm like, all right, well, I'm probably not going to find the bottom bunk. Walked a one in, come back, and then I

see the guy that said, a sister on fire. And kind of like waves that, kind of waves at me. And I'm just like, hey, I was like, you care if I get up there? He's like, no, man, go ahead. So I hop up there. You know, still at this point, I'm just like, Jesus, I can't. I'm staring at the ceiling. I'm like,

I can't believe I'm here. Like, I've done nothing wrong. I've done everything from the training they give you for your cwp by the letter of the law by castle law like i've done everything by the letter of the law and i'm still in here and it was blowing my fucking mind and you know i would talk a little bit one guy i come up to you man i guess he was kind of like the one of the top orderlies or something he's like do you need a job and i was like all right now wait a minute i'm not going to be here yeah and that's what i was like nah he's like oh you're

bonding out and i said yeah i'm supposed to get out here tomorrow and he was like all right well you know if you don't if you're getting out that quick don't worry about it well in somebody else i guess they knew the guy that knew what i was in there for yeah that'll spread everywhere everybody within two days everybody yeah 150 guys all every one of them knows yeah well they knew that night and the one guy he was like he said man let me ask something he's like uh he said you didn't need no job and i was like yeah he's like you're bonding out tomorrow he's like what fucking lawyer you got he's like i need him and i was just like 80s he's like oh okay i understand that just kept coming up throughout there and i am i am

heavily tattooed i got a lot of tattoos on my arms and stuff and the guys were noticing that in there and they asked me who my tattoo artist was and he was a local guy with like everybody in their new them and it was like oh I knew Eric so it was kind of like that was like uh I guess my end they didn't mess with me you know or treat me like you know any other any type of way and so I'm not going to say it was like obviously I'd rather been in my own bed but it wasn't like a bad experience like it wasn't like you know they were in there trying to fuck with you or anything like that and I mean that was pretty much it you know spent that night there got out the next morning immediately went home took a shower and there's a funny story about

that too that night i did decide to take a shower and the guy i didn't want to make it seem like i'd never been in there before and the guy's like he's like uh you know how to work to shower right he's like with a little thing in the back and i'm like oh yeah yeah and i go in there and it's like a little you push it and the thing only lasts for like five seconds yeah but they have something to where they can jam in there to where it don't well i couldn't figure out how they'd done it but I'm not about to go out there and ask them. Yeah. So I was having to take like miniature showers within five second increments to get somewhat clean.

But I was just like, yeah, I'm not telling them that I'm not how to work. Everybody up in there assumed, I think, that I'd been in there before. And I didn't do anything to correct them on that either. I was just like, well, if they're going to assume that, let me get out of here. So it was the push button and they had a thing, a tab that you slept. Yeah, it was like a real thin piece of plastic that you could jam in there and it kept it from coming back. Yeah, because otherwise you hit it and then it slowly slides. back out.

Dude's in prison man are some of the smartest cats you will ever run across. Listen, the necessity is the mother of invention. Exactly. Those guys, like, if you'd been in a place where, like, you need to get, somebody wants some coffee, five cells down and you're all locked up, man, they starts, they tie, they'll take their thread and make a thread and take some, something heavy and shoot it down there. It'll bounce off the wall.

And the next guy will get it and he'll slide it down. Next thing you know that you've got a string back and forth and they're pulling fucking little bags of coffee back and forth to each it's insane you're like who thought that up like it's it's it's ridiculous the one dude he said he didn't like a cold air blowing on him so he would wet like toilet paper and throw it up to block the cold air yeah i mean it was just yeah CEOs get pissed they come and then they think they get it down they yell at you tear your bed apart and you'll just rebuild just what we do so yeah yeah but uh i mean that was the the extent of experience. It wasn't bad. It wasn't, you know, anything like the people, I guess, think the worst

case scenario. It wasn't that. But granted, I was only in there a couple of days. So, thankfully, I didn't have to put any more experience in that than I had to. But I got out. And then immediately then, you know, the lawyers like, all right, you know, here's what we got. We're going to plan a preliminary hearing for you. This took place in July. So a couple months after. You're still working? You're still going to work? Well, no, yeah, I guess I should cover that. I get out because I'm only in jail like I said I check myself in Sunday I get out Tuesday morning I go to work and I tell them like hey I'm not going to need to miss work I'm coming back but obviously they know what's going on yeah and so I go out there

and he's like all right well come over and go to the GM's office so when he said that I'm like oh boy so we go to the GM's office and it's like my boss in my department the GM of that new core and he sit down he's like all right well you know what's going on exactly and I told him everything and he's like well you know unfortunately man uh we're gonna have to let you go and i was just like what the fuck i was like after everything i just told you he's like yeah i can't imagine the shoes you're in right now and i'm like well imagine me and fired on top of it yeah like yeah you're not helping out in a situation i can promise you yeah i'm like i'm not going to need to miss work like i'm out

i'm free to come to work and they even blocked me from getting unemployment they blocked it said it was conduct detrimental to new corps off work conduct policy they blocked me from even getting unemployment i couldn't even get unemployment from when i after i got fired what people that's some shit okay but the silver lining to me getting fired was that then i could access the 401k right that i had had built up yeah but you would think like i mean after after they well anyway let's keep keep going let's sorry yeah oh there there there can be a lot said on that i mean i was just like i know people that have worked there that have had charges that not necessarily maybe what i had but were serious

like serious charges that never got anything done to them. And I'm just like, why wouldn't you let me keep working? Like, obviously, if I'm found guilty, you're not going to have to worry about fire me. Right. I'm not going to be back for a very long time. And, but for whatever reason, they just wanted to go ahead and get rid of me. And that's what they did. And so, like I said, with them fire me, it did open me up to be able to go into my 401k.

Because as long as you're employed there, other than it being, I think you can do a loan, but you can't withdraw, like make big withdrawals. Right. But, you know, you're going to have to pay your taxes, but after you no longer work there, you're free to do whatever. And so the prices for the lawyer was like $50,000 to take the case and like another 10 or 15 to start all the investigations and stuff like that. And that was just off the rip. So I go ahead. I pay that off in full.

I think I finished paying off my car I had at the time, you know, maybe a little bit of credit card debt. That way I didn't have any debt. And it was just a house payment, normal bills, and my wife was still working. We could manage if it was going to be a while before I could find another job because I didn't know what that was going to be like either. So I'm handling the lawyer situation, but I'm also trying to find a job, and I go to Republic Services, which is like a trash company. But I'm a welder, so I was going to be at their facility where they would cut out

panels that had been rusted out or dent it in, put in new ones and weld them up. It was good money, close to the house, good benefits. And I told the guy in the interview, I'm like, hey, this is what happened. And he's like, when all this happened? I'm like, you know, a week ago. He's like, oh, shit. And he's like, well, I took criminal justice in college. He said, don't sound like you have anything to worry about.

And I was like, well, I'm cool. I'm just letting you know if I say, hey, I got to go for a court hearing, you know why. You know, or if you see something in the news, you know why. Because it was still in the news. Like, when I got home from jail, there was two news stations sitting across from my house. I guess they knew I was getting out. So they were just waiting. So it was a big story, especially in that community.

It's just one of the things is where it just don't happen, especially in those communities. So everybody was on it. There was countless articles on it. So when I come home, I was telling my wife, I'm like, I think I got a job. Well, when it run through corporate in Arizona, and they run the background,

it showed as a pending murder investigation. And they called me, and they rescinded the offer. Right. So I'm just like, well, fuck, there you go. I can't go anywhere that's going to run my background. Right. And I found a sign company that was hiring at the time. because it was in such quick succession,

I just told the guy, I didn't tell him I got fired. I told him that I wanted to be able to get off a night shift and be able to be more hands-on with my son, which wasn't a lie. I did, but I just kind of got forced him to that. Right.

And so he didn't run my background. He hired me on the spot because he's seen that I'd had a long work history. I was with them for like 15 years, you know, through two different branches, like seven and a half years in Columbia. another seven and a half years up here so he hired me immediately and I love that job it was fun

it was building signs like I had no idea there was much money and that like every business has to have some sort of signage so those guys make bank and so it was it was fun and I've done that for a little while but after this preliminary hearing we had nothing else nothing else happened no other events and in the preliminary hearing you know you can't divulge evidence in a preliminary hearing. So the only thing that can be presented is why you charge someone. Right. That's it.

And she wasn't giving any reason of why she charged me. And in the preliminary hearing, she lied like five different times. District attorney. No, this is the detective over my case. It was a female. She lied five times in the preliminary hearing, like that we can document, not just I'm saying, well, that's a lie. Like she said that.

There was a point one time to where me and my wife were, you know, fighting a little bit. And they said that there was a report wrote up to where she said that he answered the door and he was holding a gun and a knife. I was like, well, how does somebody answer a door holding a gun in a knife? What was in the report was that my wife came over and she said there was a gun on the table. Now, this is before everything happened. Right. But there was usually a gun somewhere around close. Like I'm a gun enthusiast.

I have a lot of guns. I've got 38s, 9 millimeters, SKS's. I mean. But they only mentioned the knife. Yeah. So the report only mentioned the knife. Well, she said gun and a knife in lieu of I was holding them. Right.

Like I answered the door holding a gun and a knife. I was like, how do you answer a door holding a gun and a knife? Then there was other reports to where the guy has, it was come out later that he was on steroids. He actually took steroids that night. He took two vows of, I don't know, whatever you call it. I'm not into steroids. Obviously, as you can tell about his physique. But he took two vows of something.

Well, they collected those vows from the house where my wife was staying at. Well, she said, we only collected one vial. It's in her report that she wrote that she collected two vows. Right. So miniscule, but it's still a lie. She said that he was really distraught after this happened, that he locked himself out of the house when he come outside for the arresting officer to, or for the first officer on scene.

That never happened. The door was open. I don't know. It was almost like she was just fabricating little things. things to make it seem worse then she said uh you know my lawyer was that well have you ever known him or any reports to him being a violent person she said yes and he was like what yeah well tell me and he said he wasn't allowed to go to the school to pick up his child because he and his wife were having arguments and he was banned from going to the school i was looking i was like she's a

fucking liar like this has never happened we go and we interview the principal and the principal's like no he's like if anybody bans anyone from the school from coming and picking up someone it's me you know nobody has that authority and he's like i don't even he's like i don't even know if i've ever met the man he said i've seen him but we've never really formally met and he said i've never went and told him that he couldn't be here and he said if i'd done that there would have to be some sort of documentation as to why and you know reasoning and stuff like that so what it was i was i was going to say she just manufactured the whole thing well not not quite but what it was there was a school resource officer that was there and I guess in one of these times when me and my wife were arguing back and forth

I think it was over something about how much money we were going to be doing child support we were trying to figure out the logistics of it this is before obviously the incident happened the resource officer overheard my wife and another lady talking the resource officer went and rode up something my wife didn't even know because she spelled her name wrong on the report and when my I told my wife about I'm like did you fucking write write a report on me and she's like no we went and found out that it was her that the school resource officer wrote the report which even that didn't have anything in it saying that you know i was violent or anything like that and what it was was it said that you know overheard her and her husband

was arguing a possible situation that could come to the school like she was just basically doing us something to document that this is something that could happen down the right the detective took that and rolled when it was like he wasn't allowed to come to the school and it doesn't say that at all yeah it doesn't say that at all and And then we had to print. So, like I said, it's like five or six things that she lied about by herself just in that. And I mean, I don't know logistically, I don't know if that's considered a trial. But like, you can get in trouble for that for lying under oath on a bird trial.

Yeah, but they don't. They never do. Yeah, they never do. Well, one thing that I will circle back, one, one quick thing. There was, like I said, I told you, I fired three shots. Two went through. One didn't. So obviously, if you got two exits, then you should find two.

bullets somewhere in the house one struck the refrigerator like I told you the other when they hit the water I found that when I got out of prison or jail right we had to call them to like hey we found a bullet like that obviously y'all didn't find so that was a real bad look for her right not finding that other bullet and that was I think kind of like the first thing is you know how bad did you really botch this whole case and after that there was really no movement man nothing like we got so the the preliminary sorry the preliminary hearing was held to see if the charges can hold up and the judge could at that time say you don't have enough and she almost did at the end of it she said there's really not a lot here but she said given the circumstances

i bind it to trial and that's what my lawyer said he's like we were this close yeah from getting a drop right here and that was it like i said after we left there we didn't hear my I mean I kept getting reports in we hired a forensics guy to New York his name is John Palucci he come down and they basically set up like if you see on CSI like the beans so he went to where the wall back to the refrigerator back to the corner so it proved where I was standing like scientifically proved that I was standing where I was standing that was big the angle of the bullets was coming into question because the pathologist had wrote in her report that the angle of the bullet didn't line up to

like how i said i was standing and the reason for that is is like one entry point was high but the other one was a little bit lower so they're like you know well that doesn't make sense if you all were in front each other well it does if the guy's bent forward exactly that he's headed coming toward me right and you knew that so he's tilted and coming toward you exactly and the way she wrote it in the report was like well these stories don't line up and another thing in the report they said well he um he said there was a struggle in the beginning until the shooting happened but we seen no signs of a struggle so he went back and he looked at the first officer's body cam footage and there was like a knocked over shot glass on the floor

another knocked over shot glass on the stove and another like rocks glass like almost like that coffee mug there without the handle you know what you drink whiskey out of it was knocked over in the back corner. So obviously three knocked over glasses you would think would be sides of a struggle. And then another big reason was she said there was no back spatter on me. Now back spatter

even though it sounds like it would come out of the back it's actually what comes back towards you when you shoot. So if I shoot you here the back spatter would be what would fly back to me. And because there was none, they said that they questioned whether I was really in as close proximity as I was

but the thing is he was wearing three layers of clothes he was wearing three shirts he was wearing like a t-shirt a shirt over that and then a long sleeve shirt over that so the chances of you getting backspatter over three layer of clothes is damn near non-existent right and then at the end it said he uh claimed to do life-saving measures but there was no sign of that either he didn't have any blood on it from that either and that's why i made that point earlier i never seen blood right there was not at one point this whole time while i'm on 9-1-1 while i'm sitting there with him while i got the towel i never seen blood never seen the drop up you did put the you did put the towel on like you were told to do yeah and i was that's why i was thinking i was like how do the hell do they

think that towel got there i mean like when the guy comes in it's he's laying in the in the kitchen and the the towels right there on them like there's nobody else in the house i'm the only one they could have did it and you know that was pretty much what they built their case on and that was what our um c s i got basically debunked everything that they gave he gave a reason to debunk it and pretty much for four years almost it nothing nothing happened with it and a lot of that was due to covid um they did reach out to my lawyer and asked they wanted to do a trial through zoom and he said no that's not how he works which i was glad with that he's a he's a theatrical guy you know right he uses the courtroom as his stage yeah so

you know i was fine with that and he by this time i did land another job um i stayed with the sign company for a while when covid hit um they let a lot of people go and then i found another job that i'm still at now that i've actually made my way up the supervisor now um that guy knows about everything he's from texas and the the issue was with the sign places i never told them so get this we're i'm there like three months i said oh we got a big uh big job a LED sign for a company I was like oh really where's that new core that's the place like yeah yeah everybody their nose I'm like oh shit it's like do I need to go on this install and they're like no you don't need to go I'm like all right because I mean dude was nice but it's just like

probably the type of guy that where if I told him exactly what happened he's like oh well well you know we don't need you here with the job just got filled and so I'm nervous as hell and so they go out there and sure enough one of the guys they're talking to he's like oh oh yeah we got one of our guys at our shops that he used to work out here what's his name wade something my actual first name is wade he's oh yeah i know him you know how's everything go to he beat that case what case well you know he killed a guy he was arrested for what you're serious so then everybody knew and everybody found out now the owner never said anything to me but i think by that time he had seen that i was a good worker that i wasn't a you know a deviant or anything

right you know a bad guy always come to work i was always cutting jokes making people laugh so he never said anything but I know he knew because sometimes we would have to go on jobs where you would require to have your background run like military bases and stuff like that and when those jobs come up I never got picked to go on those jobs right he knew he just didn't tell me he knew yeah and then like I said when COVID hit um they let me go and which they did quite a few people and when I was at the job event now I just went and told him up front I was that look dude I damn near got an ulcer at my last job not knowing like if he was going to find out what he was going to do you know if every day I was going to

walk in like why didn't you tell me this I'm like so I'm just telling you this right now up front if you want me this is what I got coming with me you know this is the baggage and he's like dude I'm from Texas he was like you didn't do anything that I wouldn't have done I'm just like all right cool and so just doing that was like a weight off me like a tremendous weight that he knew and I didn't have to worry about hiding anything and you know I worked there and I still work there now and in the process of the COVID I started my own podcast right we talked about earlier you know you were a guest on my show and the reason there's I think there's no other quicker way to get somebody to learning about the law if you're in the middle of shit yeah legally

and so immediately I go to all right wrongful conviction podcast so I check out central park central park five rusperia a bunch of different cases that leads me to true crime then I'm like all right, well, this is kind of cool. I'd never listen to a podcast before, and then I just decided to do my own, and it kind of grew legs and took off. Because I'm a real social person. Like, I like to talk to people,

and being on house arrest, that doesn't work very well. Right. You're stuck, but being able to do it through Zoom, still gives me my availability to talk to people and talk to all different kinds of people and different subjects. And they come to a point to where I had to go to New York.

So I called my lawyer, and I'm like, look, we ain't heard nothing from these guys from years. like I think one thing they did have a prosecutor that was over my case he left so they hired a new person it was a woman she only stayed for like six months then she left then they had a newer guy in there so there was that that may have delayed it a little bit but he just told me he was like look he said if you're good the more time that goes by the better it is yeah because things get lost people move people die you know whatever a lot of shit can happen in there and I'm just like okay

well I'm I'm happy but when I got to the point to where I needed to go to New York I'm just like look you know I'm getting kind of tired of the shit hanging over my head because that's a heavy weight yeah to not know if you're going to have to go to trial or jail for I mean because that's essentially life you know 30 years at my that's pretty much life right and I was like you know we got to tell them either either shit or get off the pot here so they gave me permission to go to New York in July I went I needed to go back in September to do another show with a guy up there went and done that and then finally this past november the lawyer calls and he said hey what you doing i'm like i'm working man what you're doing he's like just figured i'd call a free man and i'm just like are you serious has dropped he said yep case dismissed and what did it was after that second trip to new york the new prosecutor or solicitor that was over there i think i think the same thing in it yeah pretty much yeah the new one agreed to have a meeting he sent him an email he's like hey we've been on this almost five years he's like here's where we're at and he was like i'll get familiar with it

and get back to you and so we had a meeting to where we all went to the police station i kind of gave my story to him there they played a powerpoint which is everything i was just explaining you about you know the october glasses they had it all highlighted like they made it very easy for you to see what's going on the forensics the forensics and all that like we're going to tear you apart in court yeah and then they came to the house so I had the the prosecutor solicitor solicitor come to the house with one of his other guys a crime scene guy from the plea they all come to the house and seeing it in the in the picture in person paints a very good picture of how it went now because this is not a wide kitchen by any means you're already in a compact area so the fact

that if somebody's laying a stretch across the floor if you stand a them up like their full body length and he's maybe i don't know five eight five nine something like that there's not a lot of room to be had you know now if you were laying up against the refrigerator that's one thing but he wasn't he was still probably a good six inches to a foot away from it so i think seeing that really put it in perspective form that like you said if we go to court we're going to get fucking annihilated right and not long after that they dropped it and and i want to say hats off to that prosecutor for even doing that because like he even told me he said this is very rare he said most prosecutors don't do this he says so the

fact that he's coming out here to do this is you know something special he said but at the same time it's a risk because we're showing him everything we have yeah so he can go and say all right well they got this we need to you know do whatever but it luckily it all worked out and finally after four and it was like four years nine months it finally got dismissed at the basically the the 31st of october nice nice that's fucking honestly you're probably die about five years earlier oh yeah i'm sure probably 10 yeah yeah because i mean that's that's what i'm thinking like you know and it doesn't even stop at me my son every grade he goes up see i don't know how it is here but like we have schools in these communities yeah all the insider schools there so obviously you

got facebook right down there's right down the street yeah a block away so you got that then you got Facebook and all these parents and everything so like every year somebody goes oh yeah I know you're your dad's the one that shot somebody yeah yeah every year he has to go through that and there was a period of time it was like a about halfway in between this I want a Siberian husky and my neighbor has a not my immediate neighbor the neighbor of my neighbor had a pit bull this dog was notorious for getting out and like biting people right and I come home one day from work and it had jumped the fence and like messed my pit bull up like i mean bad like you're taking bull no no my husky i'm sorry the pit bull messed my husky up so we had to take him a doctor like he wasn't in fear of dying

but he was must he was bleeding from a lot of different places i mean it messed him up good he couldn't walk for like two or three days and so i was like super pissed i was like she came over to the house and was like trying to apologize i'm like i don't want to talk to you it it had already bit my son a year previous now when I say bid it was like a nip yeah and still yeah and I didn't say too much about it but I did say he's not going to go back down there because it was a situation where they were playing basketball and I was like maybe the dog was just playing and it just you know bit a little too hard but I just told him I'm like hey don't go down there no more but this was different like this dog now had jumped in my yard and done this so somehow I know that the news

got wind of it and they contacted me and there's like hey we want to come out and do a report on this dog bite and I'm just like yeah that's fine and I was like I said but I don't want to be in the report I was like I wasn't home my daughter was she was the one that was there in the thick of it if you want to talk to somebody she'd be the one to talk to her just because I didn't want to put my face right out there with something else so they do that the report gets done and then somebody on Facebook shares it and then this lady comes on and she's like well I'm not sure how but she said I'm pretty sure this guy this girl is a related to the guy that shot a man in his house.

Right. And got away with it. And somebody was like, well, how would you know that? She said, I'm a public defender for Berkeley County. She said, he shot the man in his house, claimed self-defense, but she said there's a lot of evidence that doesn't support that. Then he went and hired the best attorney in Charleston to try to beat it.

He said, I wish him luck, but the evidence isn't in his favor. This is on Facebook. And she's a public defender. Fucking asshole. And I'm just, and I didn't say anything. I'm, my, and certainly, you know, even as a. public defendant like that the likelihood that she's actually gone down looked at the case like she may have been around the water cooler yeah and the other public defender said well it doesn't look

good for him yeah or some bullshit but the fact that she went down looked at the looked at all the evidence and everything else like that's highly unlikely yeah and then later on some may even say well this is your job and like you know maybe you shouldn't be on here putting shit like this on facebook and she was like well yeah i may have said of some things that probably shouldn't have been said on such a public forum but i've had a few cocktails it is what it is and I'm just like what the fuck and I can't say anything it's burning me up inside I can't say anything that's a few drinks so I get to accuse a lawyer told me he's like you cannot go at people on his Facebook he's like let him say what they're going to say they're going to say it he said if

you go at them it'll it'll become worse and he's like just don't respond so for four years I never responded to anybody and anytime there's like a firework or a guy or somebody thinks is a gunshot we the neighborhood is backed up to some some open land so there is hunting that goes on anytime anybody here's like a gunshot for some reason my name always gets brought up right and it's a lot of people now are gone that we're here then so they're like oh there was a murder what happened and the the situations that people come up oh a guy caught his wife in bed with another woman and he shot the guy I'm just like that is fabricated like fuck like that's not even true people are scumbags I'm like we were living in different houses like why would I it's I mean I was just like it was so frustrating but you and you and you and So she ends up, she moved back in. I'm assuming you're still together. Everything worked out. Still together, going strong.

You know, like I said, the whole thing was we were getting back together anyway. Yeah, yeah. That was the step. It just, this happened in the middle of it. So obviously, yeah, it kind of put a lot of pressure on us. And, I mean, it still put a lot of pressure on us because, you know, it's not been easy for me, man. I mean, there's a depression aspect of it. There's a worry.

I mean, it's basically like for four and a half years, I've contributed to the, saying if I went to see if I had cancer and I've been waiting to see the results for four and a half years. Right. Because essentially this would be terminal like I wouldn't get out of prison. And it's not like they even charged me with anything less. Like they went straight to murder, not involuntary or whatever. Another lawyer thought that they may probably try to plea it down because you can always go down. You just can't go up. Yeah, I assume that they would have come to you at some point and made some kind of offer like, hey, manslaughter, you know, something like that. But they never even made an attempt no well i told him if they did i was like you tell them no

fucking way go to trial like you find me 12 people from south carolina that disagree with what i did then i guess i'll go away and and have some free meals for a while but i just don't think you can do it no not with everything laid out there and that's what people say were you nervous and i'm like well yeah i'm nervous because i'm in a situation i was like but as far as like the evidence speaking for itself no i'm not nervous like i'm in a very unique position to where i'm I don't need to lie about anything. Right. Like a lot of people probably have maybe have to cover up stuff to, you know,

maybe not. They might have made one wrong step, but you're saying I didn't make any wrong stuff. I did everything. Yeah. That was correct. Yeah. I didn't do anything wrong.

And, but still found myself in it. And that's what really opened my eyes to how much this happens. Because there's not a doubt in my mind. It's not a racial issue. It's not a black or a white issue. It's a green issue. It's a money issue. And if I hadn't had the money,

money to go get a good attorney. There's no doubt in my mind. You and me would not be having this conversation right now and I'd be behind bars. There's not a doubt in my mind. It all boils down to money. Actually, I mean, we were just, we were actually talking. I was like, oh, a lot of times they'll charge you with this. And then eventually, the more they'll let you worry or worry, and then they'll come and they'll say, okay, let's do this. We'll let you charge this. Even though you're not guilty of anything, the fact is a lot of people say, you know what, I'll take the manslaughter charge. Why? Because I'm just, too terrified of being found guilty of murder and going away for 30 years i'll go ahead and go for

five years it's already been a couple of years so i'll go for five i'll get out in four it's fine i don't think i did it but i'm so scared and they they bank on that that's exactly you're exactly 100% right they bank on that to get their conviction rates up and essentially that's all public defenders are anyway they're plea deal brokers yeah i mean they try to get you plea deals that they don't have the and to defend them too they don't have the resources to help you like a paid lawyer will. So that is their best way to help you is, oh, you're looking at 30 years, well, I can get you a plea where you do seven

or ten or whatever. And that's how the prosecutors move up the ladder. I mean, that's their way to climb up the charts. Like you and I and YouTube, our way of climbing up the charts is getting good content, good guests, good episodes that spread around and people watch a show. They want to

put people in jail for life, and that's how they move up the ladder and they don't give a shit if you're guilty. Innocent, it doesn't matter. You know, it's clickbait. Yeah, you know, think about it, like I know that this sounds better. It's not really what you're about to watch. Yeah, but I know it'll get clicks. So I know it'll get a win. Oh yeah. It's not quite there. And some people will watch the whole thing hoping that that's that title is in there is in there somewhere. But then in the end, they watch an hour and a half thing. And it's not really what happened. But by that time, I got you. So, you know, so so it's the same thing. Like they say, Well, he answered the door with a knife and a gun. He, you know, in his hand, or he this, or the bullet trajectory doesn't line up with the story. Or, well, you know all that's not true, you know.

But I'm going to say it because it'll keep the charges solid. It'll lead to maybe him getting us going to trial and maybe I'll get lucky and he'll take a plea. You know, so they do that. And it, you know, the only problem is is that they're playing with people's lives. and you know and they told my lawyer i was not taking a plea yeah and they'll justify that to them that's what kills me about prosecutors it's like you're you're you're actually like you can you sleep like a baby at night like you did i steal some money yeah i stole some money did people get inconvenienced absolutely did people financially get harmed yes there were some people that lost

five thousand dollars ten thousand dollars you know um did i ruin their lives no their lives aren't ruined but you get in front of the judge and you say he ruined people's lives he that like knowing that's a lie know it just to inflame the you know the the the jury or the judge and get them on their side like it's and then then somebody ends up getting 20 years for you know for something that really probably should have gotten a couple of years not in my case but I mean say like for drugs or something you should have got a couple of years you gave him 20 years because he pissed you off because he went to trial and didn't want to take the year or two and you sleep like a baby at night like you didn't save society you just cost society half a million dollars to incarcerate this person for 20 years

when the truth is this guy was selling you know dime bags and you treated him like he was a fucking kingpin because you're pissed that he didn't take the deal and that's that happens a lot man a lot more than people And once this happened to me, you know, I dove into, like I said, a lot of wrongful conviction cases and stuff like that. And since then I've been able to have a few of those guys on my show, like Russ Ferrea. He had a show on, I think it was Hulu. It's on Peacock now, but it was called The Truth About Pam with Renee Zellweger. And basically his wife was dying of cancer. She was like stage four cancer.

She was literally going to be dead within a couple of months. Right. Like it was the last stages. And the lady that was a friend of his wife's named Pam killed her, uh, four. the insurance document so she could get the money but yet they penned a murder on Russ and he was in jail for three years before the truth finally come out. Whoa. Yeah.

Crazy. And then I just got done an interview. Matter of fact, I come out on my show this week with Jeffrey Descovic. I don't know if you know who he is or not. He's been on some other shows but he was arrested at 16 for the rape and murder of a classmate. Everything about his confession,

everything was coerced. And he's done 16 years in prison before the Innocence Project got involved with him and they found that he was not guilty and he got out and since then he's actually became a lawyer to help, you know, fight these things and he actually, when I interviewed him on my show,

he actually had the first guy since he became a lawyer, his foundation and gotten people out, but since he actually went and got his law degree, this was the first guy that he got out and he was on the show. So it happens a lot more than people think. And, you know, when you break down percentages, you're not like oh well you know something's bound to slip through the cracks that that's not

something that's supposed to happen when you're talking about people's lives that's not minor that's not minor no and you and you're i want to say the percentages are like 10 or 12 percent of people that incarcerated or wrongfully incarcerated probably hired in that because they just took a deal like you said because they were scared but it's like if i told you oh only 10 percent of planes fail are you going to feel the same about fucking flying like i'm not you know i'm not even though the percentages, whatever, are very low. I was nervous as hell flying out here last night. Like, I mean, it says, you know,

anytime you have to put your trust in the hands of someone else and they have a proven track record of not being able to handle it properly, it makes you nervous. Yeah. And that's kind of what I want to do with this now. I mean, you're actually the first show that I've been on that I've told the story to,

and I want to tell it on other shows, but I want to get this word out there because I'm just not the guy that you think this happens to. Yeah. I'm not a career criminal. I've never been in trouble. I was a blue-collar middle America citizen who, yeah, I don't hunt, but I love guns and I've had guns since I was 18 years old. South Carolina. Yeah. This was just something that happened because of short-sightedness from a detective who's actually not even a detective any longer. She got demoted all the way down to the prestigious role of a security resource officer at elementary school. Nice. Those kids will be safe. Yeah, yeah, maybe somebody's fruit rolling. She's probably planting stuff in their, in their lockers right now.

I'm sure they are. Get up against the wall, Sally. Oh, and check this now. So the National Championship game, which was a blowout, but we got a Buffalo Wild Wings built, like, right at the back of our neighborhood. And I'm there with my son, and we're watching it. And I was kind of wanting TCU to win. He was wanting Georgia to win, you know, so he's giving me shit.

And I see this woman walk in, and I was like, God, this woman looks familiar. It was her? The guy walked in. It was her. The guy walks in, I'm just like, I know this guy too. And the more I got to look and I'm like, holy shit, it's her. And she sits down at the table and there's like a whole group of kids come in and say something. They had a name on the back of all their shirts.

But what it is, she's like leading those kids of trying to tell them, I guess, what it takes to be an officer or whatever. I was like, I wanted so bad to stand up and be like, if y'all are going to follow her, you need a different fucking line of work. Yeah, that's not going to work. But yeah, it was her. and she seemed she knew who I was she kept looking I told my son I was like tell me if she keeps looking they said she keeps looking you didn't turn around and go no no um I started to buy her a drink oh yeah that would have been that would have played nice yeah um all right so the channel's the channel's doing all right it is man it's doing great and I

And, you know, like I said, I was thinking of doing like a crime-based show, true crime show. But then I was like, dude, there's so many, you know, true crime shows. And to get, do it well, there's a lot of research that goes in. Yeah, yeah. You know, get facts and stuff like that. So I twisted it just a little bit and I put that crime and entertainment on there. So when the entertainment portion kicks in, I can talk to anybody. So I've been able to talk to guys like, you know, actors like Tom Seismore.

I had Tommy Chong on the show, which was very cool. I mean, that's probably like the one time I was just like a little starstruck, you know, I was like, God, I watched you when I was a kid. So being able to talk to him for a couple hours, I just had a guy from the godfather on. Connor doesn't know who Tommy Chong is. Guarantee it.

Half the people who, do you? I feel like I heard the name of him. Listen, there's so many things that I'll be like, as we're talking, I'm thinking, he doesn't know who that is. Cheech and Chong, they used to do these. Is we legal in Florida? I don't know.

Yeah, they used to do all these movies. this was back when like it was taboo and they would do these movies called like up in smoke or you know and then they would do these movies they were just two kind of stoner guy I love the ones where they think they're Mexican and they throw them in the back they get they deport them to Mexico they're like I'm from Detroit what are you talking about but they're stoned they're like hey man what are you talking about like hey I'm an American man they're like no no but it's they're hilarious the movies are hilarious probably funnier if you're stumped oh yeah for sure but i don't know even funnier as a kid when i was watching because like i didn't even don't know if i necessarily

knew what they were doing as a kid the first time i watched it i didn't understand they were high but it was just funny because like the cars like filled with smoke and he's like hey how's my driving he's like i think we're parked man and they're like on the side of the road in front of a sign and the cop comes up he's like where's your license uh back there on the bumper man i mean it but having him on there was just really really cool um been able to talk that you know like as the actors from the sopranos that's like my favorite tv show oh yeah so i've got to talk with like four or five people for sopranos god he fucking killed himself right like uh um the the guy who plays tony soprano no he kills he's died heart attack oh he just had a heart attack yeah oh he just had a heart

attack yeah yeah oh i thought he killed him so i don't know why i thought he killed himself no no no no He's been dead a couple of years now, but he just had a heart attack in Italy. I mean, if you watch that show in progression, you could tell he did get bigger each season. Yeah. And I think it was just one of the things that were he never kind of got it under control. And he got a little bit bigger. And yeah, he had a heart attack in Italy. I'm pretty sure it was Italy.

And his son was over there with him, I believe. But then, you know, they redone. They called it a many saints of Newark. And his son, Michael, plays a, you know, younger him in the movie so it's like everybody from sopranos but maybe in their 20s or something like that and you know that's that was the basis of that movie so you get all the same characters in there but they're obviously just different people but i thought that was kind of cool that he played his dad yeah but all right it's it's it's been going very well i had you know guests like you

on there um you know a lot tim McBride who i know you've interviewed fucking bright and can go forever yes he'll go and go and go and it's like yeah listen Tim like I have I appreciate this but um we were like two hours 45 minutes and he was just still going I just like and then he all of a sudden he says and at this point I started selling marijuana Tim what are you doing bro you know and that's when I we started smuggling oh god the smuggling story is another four hours I don't like to keep people longer than an hour you know i'm like i you know because some people don't even like sitting for longer than an hour but there's some stories that just have to go and i think one of the other ones he's made a whole tim's made a tim don't have a job yeah he got a whole career based on just

you know i'll show up and i'll tell you my story and he tells it the same pretty much every time he hits the points he's got the you know he he he's uh and he gets paid for speaking engagements for you know so uh but but yeah he's he's he's pretty good he's pretty good who else is like oh um mike uh mike dowd yes have you talked to mike dowd i've i've met mike in new york we went up there for uh anthony ruggiano was having something at a studio in long island and i met him and we were actually supposed to do a show the weekend that my charges got dropped i was actually, I had the flu. I was diagnosed with the flu. I was supposed to go back

up there that weekend and me and Dow were supposed to do a show in that same studio, but I had to cancel it. So we're going to get it, we're going to get it done at some point, but I've met it personally. He's got the second highest views on my channel. He was with, I think he was the first, like the first

or second, I think it was the first interview I did. And the video itself, like Colby botched. Like there are times where like 20 minutes in and then maybe another at an hour in and like an hour and 10 minutes in where where I'm doing this and it's doubt is talking and I'm not talking or doubt is talking and it's saying something else like it's like he he totally like you know Colby just you know botched the whole thing still got

because it was the first time we were doing it yeah and what we were doing was we had two cameras but we didn't have the switcher yet so he was there and he took it and when he stacked the video something happened oh plus the cameras we had were like shutting off. I mean, it was, it was a fucking train wreck, bro, right? Because I had the old cameras that shut off at like 25 minutes or 22 minutes. You know, now we got these, I got these things and they, they don't actually this one overheat sometimes.

But for the most part, they're great. But yeah, but still, he, he was great. He was great. And I didn't even know his whole story. Wow. Because I knew parts of the story. And then later, I was like, I should have watched the whole. whole thing because he missed he always

skips the part where he was supposed to kidnap this person like he skips that whole part and he's like yeah yeah you know and then I went to jail if I had known better about like wait a second you skipped the fucking kidnapping ah we don't have to talk about that

but he's he's a character it's funny too because I've always been like is he coked up like he's so animated but he's just wired man everybody says that that's just how he is bro he's just jacked up all the well you can imagine when he was doing it oh god like like he said i don't know have you watched the whole documentary since then since then yes but he said he's just like pulls in his corvette and the damn chief's parking spot i mean like yeah he's a maniac i can see him doing that he's a mania

you know it's so funny as you'll talk to like i have a cousin who's um a meth addict right and there are some people like if i drink coffee like i can't go to bed like i can go upstairs if i drink a cup of coffee i can't go upstairs and have it and go to sleep my but because my cousin's like a meth addict and he's just his chemically he's just brink he's just wired different he'll drink two cups of coffee and it puts him to sleep and it's like what and a lot of these guys are like this i was wondering like if this is if this is dowd normal what's he like on coke he may be like drowsy like falling asleep and totally like calm like you're talking to an accountant or something instead this maniac but yeah uh i've had some great ones listen you know what You know, another podcast I had was a guy named Walt Pavlo. Did you, you weren't here yet with Walt. This was at the old house, at the old place, the old house. I'm going to say the studio.

It was really my apartment. So at the old studio. And Walt, we had a conversation. And I knew a little bit about Walt's. Like he was a part of MCI. He worked for MCI. And I thought, okay, so you fudge some numbers. No big deal.

And, you know, that's like I had heard bits and pieces of the story, but it was such a boring story. I never followed. I never really watched the whole thing, right? Then he came and he told the story. And as the story progressed, I was like, look, you did. Like, he's literally, he's working deals with people that owe money.

Like, give me a million dollars. I'll get your credit line shut, turn back on. You can borrow this much. You can then run it up to this much money. Close it down. Send me the million offshore. He's got like six or seven. million stacked offshorely he's running a whole scam on MCI while they're melting down he's

taken and I was like in the middle of that thing I remember looking at it I'm going you know bro I have like this is horrible but I have like a newfound respect for you like I thought he was just like some CPA like cooking the books yeah no bro you're running this massive he didn't steal a little bit of money it's millions a million offshore hidden accounts it was like this is brilliant like horrible horrible i mean i feel that yeah i feel bad but uh you know but yeah he was it was tommy um you know Tommy got locked up with sui and tommy chong he got locked up for a little while when he had his bond company and it was when biden and obama was in administration there was something that they were trying to get him on of selling paraphernalia across state lines or something along

those lines i forgot the specifics but basically he copped to the charge got like six months in prison if they would leave his family alone because they basically said they wanted him he was the name and when he went in there he whatever prison it wasn't a prison it was more of a like a camp it was a camp yeah well he was in there with jordan belford yeah he can belford says he convinced me to write my story yeah and that's what he told him he's like you know he said i believe in something called the most of and he said jordan's like what do you mean he's like well man whatever it is he's like it's the if you're the if you were high you're the most high you've ever been in your fucking life if you were going fast that was the fastest you've ever drove in your life

And then I'm just like, I remember bits and pieces of the Wolf of Wall Street. And I'm like, well, he took that to the letter. Yeah, like everything in there was the most of. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was cool. They said they were, they couldn't hang around each other because they're both like convicted of fellas. But he said he would stop at the street and he would step out and they would like yellie to each other from the porch. Well, um, all right.

I mean, we're good. You feel you got anything else? I mean, I guess the biggest thing is, you know, people, when you see something on, tv if you see because i i'll even admit i was like this when you see something they made an arrest i was like well damn he must have did it yeah you know it was just it was just how i was my mode of thinking at the time now no not so much no listen what about law and order like i used to watch law and order and like there were times when mccoy was the the the district attorney so mccoy you don't know what law and you've heard of it unbelievable well longest running fucking program ever so

Anyway, like multiple series, spinoffs, everything. Anyway, McCoy would find out in the middle of something of the investigation. And he'd charge this guy. In the middle of it, something would happen. And he would go, oh my God, like, he's not guilty. And then they would be like, quick, where is he? Well, he's in, he's in Rikers right now. Call the warden.

We got to get him out. Like he's a fit, like, oh my God, I sent the wrong man to jail. We have to get this. Listen, in real life, they go, don't say anything bro we got a conviction he's in jail shut the fuck up yeah like we're good like yeah that like it's fine it's fine he had his day in court it says he's guilty yeah but you know now i don't know anything that could be in anything i don't know like suddenly it's like are you fucking serious you know the guy's innocent in the movies they're offended because they want

prosecutors want to do the right thing, right? But in real, you know, I mean, I mean, that's in the movies. But in, you know, in real life, a lot of times they want a conviction. Like, I don't really think this guy probably murdered him. He maybe, maybe it's, you know, manslaughter. But I think I can get him for murder. Okay, well, wait a second. Like, that's, you just said, well, yeah, but if I twist it this way and do this and I know I, I,

I think I can get that guy down the street to say this. I think he'll say that if I push him. I think I can convince the jury. It's like, what are you doing? There's no, there's no nothing here. There's not even this. You know, or they overreach Casey Anthony. Murder.

Okay, but you can't prove murder. Why don't you leave manslaughter on the table? No, we'll pull it and will force them to convictor of murder because they have to charge her or something. Well, guess what? They don't charge her. They say, nah, I don't see murder. Maybe manslaughter.

We're not going to charge her, but there is no manslaughter. They took it off the table. So is she guilty? No, not a murder. Boom, she goes free. So, you know, people don't realize the games they play, and sometimes it works to their advantage. And sometimes it does it.

Sometimes guilty people go free, and sometimes innocent people end up getting fucking 25 or 30 years. Yeah. I mean, in researching this, I found out it happens a lot. knows. And like I said, a lot of it, like we mentioned earlier, boils down to who you can have as a lawyer. And even sometimes a good lawyer can help him. In Casey Anthony's lawyer, at least, I don't know how well he was known at the time. I know he's big shit now. But he was amazing. And then he got off. What was the football player? Hernandez. Hernandez. I mean, Hernandez killed himself because of the second case or whatever that may have happened. But the other one, he got him off on the second. Never got him off on that case. Like it was insane. It's like, wow, this guy.

even Casey Anthony's the fact that he got her off yeah that was insane yeah that was insane matter of his name got brought up whenever when somebody was saying we were talking about Jose bio Jose by is it Baez bio Bayez I might be Baez I can't remember Jose something Spanish yeah and I was just like oh shit I was like yeah I'll stick to local guys yeah but I mean it plus you had not that it couldn't have gone bad but honestly you had a solid like like like and probably which is probably a mistake on your part is you, you're like, I'm innocent, which may or may not have meant anything. But the fact is, is that, you know, so one, you had, hey, one, I'm innocent. And two, you're thinking, like, this should be a slam. If I do go to trial, like, it could go either

way, but it's like, I know I haven't done anything. Well, what we were thinking of or what we were going to make a motion for is what was called a dunkineering. And that's basically a plea of self-defense and castle law. Now, that would, be the trial that would be us so at that point in time we have the burden of proof on us right to prove that we acted in self-defense if they would say okay well no we don't see self-defense you know denied or whatever then we would have to go to trial then the burden of proof gets flipped to the state to prove that i've done this or or whatever and i'm just like even from the start from the first piece of the conversation like i don't reach out to that guy he reached out to me yeah like murder is premeditated

hated murder. Like at no point in that time that I have time to think or plan any of this. I was at home in bed watching the UFC. I mean, so all of it was there. They took my phone. They took his phones. All of it was there. So they had it all. They knew it. I think it was my opinion at the end of the day. A rookie cop rushed to, or not a rookie. I shouldn't say rookie, but newly promoted to detective. Rush to judgment. And in doing so, it cost me, you know, probably about a time it was all sudden done because I had to pay for that forensics. A guy had to come down. We had to pay, he flew down twice. It's probably going to be close to like $100,000 that I've been out of just to prove that I'm innocent and offer them to just drop the charges. We didn't even have to do the nook

in hearing. They just dropped it. And to me, that's basically saying, my bad, we fucked up. I just wonder how many elementary children right now are having drugs planted in their lockers from this woman. The incarceration rate and the local juvenile facilities are going to be going through the roof here. rocketed um all right we're good yes sir we're good man appreciate no i i appreciate you flying down i appreciate you coming and doing it in person and and that's what that's what i want to do and i want to get on a few more shows and just spread the word about this because we mentioned earlier you know this this you wouldn't expect a guy like me to be involved in something like this you would think it was clear can anybody that ever told the story to was oh well that's self-defense

yeah most sane people think that but i guess some people didn't but you know it does the depend a lot on the lawyer. And there's insurances that protect you from certain things like that. I need to get up with them. I need to be their spokesperson. I need to be like, dude, you let me go at a seminar. You're trying to sell this insurance. I'll tell them how much money they can save because it happened. Yeah. And basically it's like if you pay, I think it's like, we'll just say 20 bucks or whatever, you get like $50,000 worth of coverage. If you're found not guilty, then you get, you know, everything's paid for. It's like carry guard or USAA, but it protects you in these situations so if you use your weapon and then you get charged they cover all the expenses

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