Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Inside the Epstein Black Book | Whistleblower Speaks Out

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

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not available in all states. And I came across Epstein's Black Book. The Black Book contains the names and numbers of a lot of perpetrators, but it also contains the names and numbers by 200. And you think that this ties into the Diddy case. You put Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book on the Internet. Is that right? I did indeed in 2015, four years before the case broke nationally.

I had written a book called The Franklin Scandal, started Powerbrokers Abuse and Betrayal about an interstate trafficking network that was essentially a carbon copy of Epstein's trafficking network. It involved hijacked grand juries like Epstein, the cover-up involved hijacked grand juries. And I had that book published in 2009, 2010, the Franklin scandal. And it turned a lot out of me. I spent seven years on that book. and going into a trafficking network as deep as I went and talking to a lot of victims is pretty brutal. And I spent my own money on it.

I just felt there was an important story because I have this notion, and most of the mainstream media doesn't agree with me, but I have this notion that children shouldn't be trafficked with impunity. Yeah. Many people in the mainstream media find that to be a strange notion, but I do have that notion. It does seem that way, doesn't it? Yes, definitely.

And I'll get into examples of it too. And so the book was published 2009, 2010, and then I saw what was going on in Florida with Epstein, and I suspected that he was running a network also, that he was trafficking children. At that point in 2002, I mean, this was long before just about anybody heard of him, or I should say 2012, I went down to Florida and doing my thing, I was knocking on the doors

and walking the streets and doing my investigative thing. And I came across Epstein's Black Book in 2012. And I came back to New York and I tried to sell that story on Epstein's Black Book. And no one wanted to touch it. No one wanted to touch it. Can I have a quick question? When you say you came across his book, how does that happen? Someone gave it to.

Okay. And the thing about it is I've been able to get a lot of documentation that I shouldn't have because I don't give away sources. But anyway, I did come across his black book. And I went to all these major magazines in New York City. And I live in New York City. And I tried to pitch them in the black book and no one wanted to touch it. Nobody. And then in 2012, Gawker finally published it.

And then it became an internet phenom and everybody wrote articles about it. But what is interesting is I knew I started to call victims. The black book contains the names and numbers of a lot of her. but it also contains the names and numbers about 200 victims. So I started to call victims and they talked about being flown around. And they also talked about his island. And his island really hadn't come up at that point or it had very little. And at that point, I realized that Jeffrey Epstein was operating a nationwide trapping network.

and he was pairing children to very powerful people. And that was the exact same thing with the Franklin scandal, that the true permanent attempts, Lawrence King of Omaha and Craig Spencer, Washington, D.C., were flying kids all around the country. And there was also blackmail involved. And I found out that all of Epstein's homes were wired for a lot of Michelle. And his mansion on Fifth Avenue,

he had a room that had monitors that according to victims people as in plural would monitor at the monitors would I should say monitor the monitors and when I started to uncover this stuff about Epstein I realized that it's a lot like the Franklin scandal

and as I said earlier the mainstream media doesn't really seem to be concerned about the welfare of children. They were pumping out salacious dirt on Jeffrey Epstein, but no one said, hey, Jeffrey Epstein trafficked children for 25 years. We need to do something about this. No one said that at all in the meeting.

I have a question. Was this prior to him getting that sweetheart deal he got down in Florida? Was this prior to that or was after that? It was after that. He got the sweetheart deal. in 2008, how Epstein came into public consciousness was, a 14-year-old girl went to her parents and confessed that she had been by Jeffrey Epstein. And the Palm Beach Police Department just viewed Epstein as a billionaire philanthropic type. So they spent a year investigating Jeffrey Epstein.

and they ultimately had five underage victims who came forward, and they had 12 people who corroborated the underage victims. And they were going to indict Jeffrey Epstein on five conspicologies. The Palm Beach Police Department knew of 17 other kids that Epstein had. So in all of, we're talking 22 kids that Jeffrey Epstein had lost with, that the Palm Beach Police Department. And there was a grand jury, and that grand jury was very, very corrupt. I don't know if your audience knows about grand juries, but they're very, very easy to corrupt.

A New York Supreme Court judge once said special prosecutors of grand juries have so much power over grand juries that they could get them to a night-a-half sandwich. Right. And the Franklin scandal, there were two very corrupt ran juries. Actually, three of those, one in Washington, D.C., that there was no trafficking in. Well, you mean, I'm sorry, I want to clear for you, you mean that they're corrupted, not that the actual jurors are corrupt. They're just manipulated. Well, yeah, they're manipulative. A special prosecutor is chosen to show evidence to the grand jurors who are just regular citizens who have shown up the jury. And essentially what the special prosecutor shows them as evidence and the witnesses that he calls, those are how the grand jurors are going to make.

up their minds. Right. If a special prosecutor went in with the agenda that we're going to indict Jeffrey Epstein on five counts of trafficking, he would have had five kids come forward and tell their story and Jeffrey Epstein. But that grand jury didn't indict Jeffrey Epstein on one counter. And the special prosecutor in Florida was very, very corrupt. It was a woman and Bel Lovic. and she was one of the, she only called two victims, and one of them was 18 years old, and one of them was 16 years old at the time they were called, but one had been when she was, the 16 year old been when she was 14, and the 18-year-old had been when she was 16 or 17.

And these were kids, and the special prosecutor was calling them prostitutes. I mean, it was, those, uh, those, uh, transcripts were released earlier this year. And actually, I did a podcast on the entire Grand Jury because I wanted to show essentially how corrupt it was. Is that on your channel? Yes, it's on my channel. Nick Ryan podcast.

And when the Grand Jury verdict was announced, Michael Ryder was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, and he just hit the roof because he knew, because the The Grand Jury said that Jeffrey was in a single kid. And Michael Ryder was the police chief of the Palm Beach Police Department. And he's one of the unsung heroes in this story because he took a lot of heat, a lot of heat. He was followed and there were all kinds of intimidation tactics that were used against him. But he went, he just exploded when that grand jury didn't come back with any abuse indictments. And then he went to the feds, and the feds were, Alexander Acosta was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.

And Michael Ryder went to Alexander Acosta, the U.S. attorney, and said, somebody, this is such a huge miscarriage of justice. This is probably the biggest miscarriage of justice that I've seen in my lifetime. You, the Justice Department, has to go after Jeffrey Epstein, has to indict him on child abuse. And at that point, the feds had a list of 35 victims, 35 underage victims. And they didn't indict Jeffrey Epstein on one count of trafficking. And according to Alexander Acosta, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District, he said that he was told to stand down from prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence and it was above his pay rate. and he's never denied saying that.

So obviously some very powerful people intervened to project Jeffrey Epstein. A U.S. attorney can be told to stand down by two people in the government, the president, and the attorney general. Now, that message can be delivered by a minion of the president or the attorney general, but it has to emanate from the highest of highs. and for the Feds to cover data was really egregious. And then the Feds made this crazy deal with Jeffrey Epstein, where he was sentenced to 18 months in an accounting jail.

He was allowed to go out during the day. And no one else that participated with him, his little girls, they were all indemnified. And ultimately, Ebstein did 13 months in an accounting jail where he was allowed to go out during the day, and he turned his wing in kind of into the Taj Mahal, essentially. And then, I mean, I believe that he was children. Well, he was ostensibly incarcerated,

but he was certainly trapping them after his incarceration. And that, the feds intervened in 2008. So they, you know, when, so when the, you know, whatever, the state attorney was referring to the victim, as as prostitutes. I mean, they, but that wasn't, he wasn't paying them to come there and, and, and have sex. Wasn't he, like, luring him there as, like, for massages and things like, he was luring them to an area where he could kind of take advantage of them, right? Like, I'm wondering why she would have referred to anybody as a prostitute.

Laura Bell Lovic was so corrupt that, I mean, her marching orders were obviously, we're going to cover this up. Right. To quash this. And that's, that's what she did. And then, And then the feds covered it up. But think about that. Here we have the most prolific trafficker ever acknowledged by law enforcement. Jeffrey Epstein trafficked children for 25 years. And both the state of Florida and the federal government covered it up. Covert trafficking is probably the most heinous of crimes.

And our government covered up Jeffrey Epstein's 25-year. trafficking network. So why do you think that is? Because, and I get into this in a number of things that I've written, there was blackmail involved, definitely. Epstein's house in D.C. was wired for audiovisual blackmail, according to victims. When the Palm Beach Police Department served a search warrant at this house, and they came across hidden cameras. And the island was wired for audiovisual blackmail. And his New

Mexico place was probably where for artificial black male too and he pandered to the some of some very powerful political people and some very powerful financial people and if

there's video footage of someone a minor their own they're going to vote exactly how you tell them to vote and we saw this with the Franklin scale too the Franklin scandal, one of the pimps was a CIA asset. And according to Alexander Acosta, Jeffrey

Epstein was also a CIA asset. That's the part I'm wondering. Do you think that that's true? That Jeffrey was a CI asset? Yes. Absolutely. Alexander Acosta was told to stand out. A US attorney was told to stand out. So that has to come from the pinnacle of power. As I said earlier, the president or the attorney general. I mean, those. that can be delivered by a minion of the president or the attorney general, but it was definitely either from the executive or the Department of Justice at the apex of the executive branch or Department of Justice. So that's why I believe, one of the reasons why I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in blackmail is because there's a dark, malignant corner of our

government that blackmailes people. And we talk about how the KGB blackmail people, the CIA blackmail people too. And the CI continues to blackmail people. Yeah, I was going to say, did you ever read that book? Do you ever read the book, Economic Hitman? Yes. Confessions of an economic hitman. I was going to say, that whole book is about blackmailing, getting people into, getting entire countries into a position where you can blackmail them. Obviously with financial, incentives, but it's still the same premise. And they go through extraordinary lengths to get to over, to get these countries into extreme debt so they can then, you know, have them vote their way or manipulate them.

With this, well, we knew that Jagger Hoover was a blackmail artist, and he was a blackmail artist for many, many years. And when I was initially cutting Mike Heath on the Franklin scandal, I was able to get to one of the blackmail targets. And I was trying to understand it all. And he said, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. And it's a beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day. And you can have anything you want on that yacht.

But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you grow up. And that's where blackmail is. But that's why no one's coming forward about being blackmailed. I can give you a couple of examples of people that were blackmail. Larry Craig was a senator from Idaho, very conservative senator from Idaho, and he had been in Washington, D.C. for 25 years. He was initially a U.S. representative, and then he ultimately became a senator. And he had the worst record, or one of the worst records of voting against gay rights.

and he was a closeted homosexual. And I wrote a book called Confessions of a D.C. Madam of the Politics of Sex Lives and Blackmail. And I wrote it with Henry Vincent was... Yeah, I feel like I remember that book. Had a gay escort service, and he was pandering to Larry Craig. And then there was a movie called Outrage, made by Tribby Dick, a very esteemed documentary maker.

And nominated for two Academy Awards. where he interviews people that other escorts that Craig had sex with. So Craig is getting escorts from Henry Vincent, and he's also getting escorts from wherever he can get escorts. And he was ultimately busted in an airport bathroom. And I guess this is kind of a nomenclature that I'm not really familiar with, But in bathrooms, I guess, if someone slaps their foot against the floor, that's a signal to the other person that they're hot to try. So there was a vice squad that was slapping his foot on the floor, and Larry Craig propositioned him.

and here's a U.S. senator, a U.S. senator, propositioning a vice-guide cop in a bathroom, in an airport, in Minneapolis. And how hard would it be to compromise a guy like that? I mean, you give a kid a smartphone and an after-school project, he could have compromised, Craig. Right. And it's funny because I'm from Minneapolis. And I was in a bathroom in Minneapolis sitting on the commode. And then in the saw next to me, someone was slapping their foot.

I guess the floor. And I thought that they had a neurological disorder. I had no idea what they were up to. And I'm glad I didn't say, could I help you? So Larry Craig is a guy that was obviously kind of. And then Dennis Hastert was the speaker of the house. he was the number, according to our Constitution, he was the number three guy as far as power. If the president goes down, the vice president goes down, then Dennis Hastert would have been the president.

And he underage boys going back in many, many years, many years. And he ultimately came to speaker of the house and he was a strong arm specialist. He would really, really hike on people to get them the last. the way that he wanted to move out. I'm sure that he had blackmail material too. But Hastert ultimately retired, and one of the victims of his started blackmailing him.

And the FBI went after Hastert, although, and now Hastert decided to get off the, I don't know why, but if the FBI, the FBI could have gone to the person that was blackmailing Hastert and saying, They stopped blackmailing Hastert or else with the FBI, and you're going to be in a lot of trouble. But they went after Hastert instead. And there was an FBI interpreter named Sabelle Admonds.

And in lawsuit documentation, the FBI knew about Dennis Haster, going to places of ill repute in real time. So Dennis Haster, I believe, was very compromised. And he was the number three guy as far as power constitutional. So you're, so it's not it's. Okay, so that's, that's one example. I just give you two examples. I'm sorry, that's okay. And you think that it's because Epstein had, had black men material on people like that,

that he was told to stay down. somebody who knows somebody asked a favor to ask the prosecutor to stand down. They stand down. No, the prosecutor was ordered. The U.S. attorney was ordered to stand it. Well, you know, I, okay. Yeah, ordered.

Right. Ordered. He was told, hey, stand down. Don't, don't push this. But eventually, eventually Epstein does end up with the 18 months, which is a slap on the wrist. You know, he has to basically sleep. you get tired, you come to the jail, go to sleep for a few hours, go back home. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be.

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he continues after that? Well, he continues. I think his addiction becomes much foreign pets, but then he's also trafficking these girls, too. There's a U.S. congressman named Kim Bershett from Tennessee, and I had him on my podcast, and he is taught quite openly that many of his colleagues in Congress

are coverbized to honey traps. Honey traps are not something that is new. I mean, political blackmail is as old as politics. I'll give me an example of people think their founding fathers were saints, and what they did was quite amazing, but they had their foibles. Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a 23-year-old woman who was married, and her husband was blackmailing Alexander Hamilton. and there was a muckraking journalist who outed Alexander Hamilton and this affair.

And he felt, and Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton really had a tremendous amount of antipathy towards each other. So when Thomas Jefferson became president, this muckrager felt like Jefferson would give him a position in the administration because he outed Hamilton. And he didn't. So the muckraker outed Jefferson on having an affair with one of his slaves named Sally Hemings. And actually DNA has corroborated that. Right.

So political blackmail has been with the United States as long as the United States is existed. Okay. Well, then so at one point, though, Epstein does get indicted. What happened with Epstein was, and this happened with Craig Spence, and I also believe it happened with Diddy? If you're a blackmailer, you cannot receive a lot of media attention because that's going to end your gig as a blackmailer.

One of the pimps in the Franklin scandal had a lot of stories written about him, and he ultimately killed himself. Now, people on the internet think that he was suicided. I don't believe that. I believe that he killed himself. But I also believe that he was probably told either you're going to kill yourself or we're going to kill you. Take your choice. And with Epstein, there were articles coming out from the Miami Herald. They did a series on him. So his ability to be a blackmailer was was was completely disrupted and there was just too much media on him and and i believe that that's why he was taken out why he was arrested okay um what do you think so what do you what happened with the um with his uh untimely demise how do you call what did you say he was a suicided

yeah well I mean there are so many anomalies that occurred in that prison the guards were sleeping and one of them wasn't really a guard his cellmate had been taken out the cameras weren't working I believe that Jeffrey Epstein well I mean obviously either he killed himself or someone helped him but here's the thing about that

everybody it's kind of like a red herring everybody focuses on whether or not Jeffrey Epstein killed himself but no one focuses on our media is certainly guilty of this no one focuses on Jeffrey Epstein trafficked underage girls for 25 years no one focuses on that I've read a lot of Jeffrey Epstein articles and I've written some Jeffrey Epstein articles and I've noticed that about our mainstream media is no one is taking the mainstream media to task for the grave injustices that were covered up by the Justice Department. And I believe that there are people in the media that are blackmail. Media personalities are as susceptible to blackmail, I think, as politicians.

But with politicians, you're dealing with alpha males. They're highly sex. They're arrogant. and nothing makes people stupid like sex inheritance. Those two things. And then when you combine them, there's a very powerful synergy that makes people really stupid and makes them highly susceptible to blackmail. Well, I mean, I think that people are probably focusing on the fact that he, you know, that he potentially was, you know, I don't know,

what you say, what killed or assassinated, whatever you want to call it. murdered. So I think that people are focusing on that because, you know, once again, that shows that somebody in the government, because it would have taken someone with an extreme amount of power to pull that off. So, you know, so I think they focus on that because maybe they're thinking that's like a, I don't know, you know, is there a smoking gun somewhere? I can tell you why that's being focused on. Because the mainstream media is focused on that. Okay. The mainstream media has not focused on justice for all those vacants.

The mainstream media is just focused on whether or not Epstein killed himself. That's the sad truth about it all. I mean, the mainstream media was good at kicking out salacious articles about Bill Gates. And actually, I believe that that report is about Bill Gates was probably wrong, too. According to the mainstream media, Jeffrey Epstein met Bill Gates in 2011. But I've got an article from the evening standard, the UK's evening in Sanberra, that says that they were doing business in the 19th. This is before, this article's from 2001. And it also talks about Jeffrey Amst's intelligence connections.

Our media was very shoddy when it was reporting on Jeffrey Upps. And his crimes. When you think about, like when I got the black book, there were, I don't know, 200 victims in it. But there were a lot more victims. And there were victims in California. There were victims in Mexico. There were victims in New York. There were victims in London.

There were victims in Paris. Jeffrey Epstein's had to found out where it was intercontinental. So all these kids were destroyed. And what the media doesn't convey, which is really a shame, is that traffickers, human traffickers are vicious, vicious people. And the media has made Ebson and Nashville out to be not nice, but certainly not as vicious as they actually were. There have been a couple of books written by Epstein survivors, and we've got a lawsuit documentation. And Epstein and Maxwell were vicious people, vicious. And the media really hasn't reported on that either, which is really another sad thing that that's been neglected in the Epson case.

So you feel like this ties into the Ditty case? Well, okay, so I wrote a book called The Franklin Scannell. Right. Story of power brokers should be some of the trail. And Epstein was essentially carbon copy. I believe that the Franklin network was bigger than the Epstein network, but it was only around about 11 or 12 years, whereas Epstein trafficked kids for, I think, probably about 20,000. years.

And what you've got with Diddy is something very similar. We know that all of Diddy's homes were wired for audioviso blackmail too

and that he recorded his free bus. That has been corroborate by multiple people. And the thing with Diddy was he'd been a thug

and a rapist for years. For years. when the feds took him down there were I believe at least five lawsuits that have been launched at him right it might have been as high as eight and two of those lawsuits were minors they've been minors when they had

allegedly been by Diddy and then Little Rod a hip-hop producer King Fuller and said that that Diddy was constantly trafficking children And here's the connection between those two. There was a U.S. attorney named Damian Williams, and he was a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Manhattan or New York, which generally makes him the most powerful federal law enforcement officer in New York City. And he was the guy that carefully choreographed Galane Maxwell's trial. There were four victims that were called in the Lay Marshall's trial, and those four victims had only been by Epstein and Maxwell. They didn't know of all the other power brokers because they had been their abuse had been somewhat insular.

Damien Williams is also the U.S. attorney that oversaw the grand jury that indicted on that indicted Pete. Diddy. And here's a fun fact. Both Maxwell was, Matchwell was indicted on conspiracy and Diddy was indicted on conspiracy, but no one else was indicted. I mean, how can you be indicted on a conspiracy when nobody else is indicted? So Damian Williams really covered up a number of the people that were involved with Diddy, and he also covered up Diddy's trafficking, and a nasty piece of word. Here is what we should be focusing on. Jeffrey Epstein's safe was drilled, and the FBI confiscated hundreds, if not thousands, of DVDs.

And I think a lot of them were informed, but I think a lot of them were compromised DVDs. Why haven't we heard about that? Why has no one recorded that? They seem to have been put in a black hole. When Epstein died, the Justice Department said that the case was closed, So I filed a Freedom of Information Act, and I didn't want the DVDs. I wanted reports on the DVDs.

And then the FBI told me that the case was ongoing. But if people really wanted to focus on something, they should be focusing on those DVDs that were impounded from Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan home. Right. So real quick, where is the Black Book still up that you put up? Yeah, it's all over now. Oh, it's everybody? Yeah, it's, all you're going to do is Ty Bannon, Jeffrey, I've seen Blackwood.

It'll come up. And the rendition that I put up, there, we lack out the numbers of everyone. The phone numbers? Yeah. But now there's versions of it that are unredacted. Okay. And only true. And very few publications have given me credit for putting the black book on the internet.

And I find that somewhat fascinating because tons of ink have been spilt on that black book. Tons of ink have been spilt on that black book. And only two public, one publication mentioned my name, and another publication actually ran a story about me, putting the black book on the internet. But other than that, mums the word about Nick Bryant and the black book. How the black book got ushered into public consciousness was Alfredo Rodriguez was a house manager for Jeffrey Epstein. And he purlined the black book in 2005, 2006. And when attorneys started launching lawsuits at Jeffrey Epstein, he tried to sell the black book.

he tried to sell the black book to one of the attorneys. And the attorney called the FBI, and the FBI did a sting and got a hold of the black board. And Rodriguez said that he circled people that were in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein. And then there were a number, and then there are people with numerous contact numbers. Alan Dershowitz had circled, and he has numerous contact numbers. Bill Clinton isn't circled, but Epstein had 25 contact numbers for Bell Clinton. The former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, I believe that either he's circled or there are multiple numbers for him, but one of the victims have come forward and said that he, as a minor.

Ahud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel, is circled. And he actually was living in the apartment building or stayed in the apartment building where Jeffrey Abstein put his victims. And one victim has come out and said that she'd been analyzed by Rahub Barak. Okay. Okay. Sorry, go ahead. And Ahud Barak was the prime minister of Israel. And this is, this theme is repeated with the Franklin scan.

is there were people at the pinnacle of power that were being pandered to by King and Spence. And that's one of the reasons why I could not get that book published. It took me, everybody rejected that book. I mean, I had two agents try to sell it, or one maybe just look at the book proposal, and one tried to sell it. But no one would touch it because they thought that these people were just, they just had too much to lose by children. And we found out with Everstein that that is not the case.

That doesn't mean anything, yeah. These guys will take into risk. Yeah, I was going to say, when you're, when you're addicted, when it's an addiction, you toss, you know, caution to the wind, right? Like, you know, how many, how many super powerful or rich people are alcoholics or, or, doing some kind of drugs or, you know, they have, you know, they have issues. So you tend to, plus, you also get to that, I think that status and you begin to feel invincible that the money will insulate you in some way. So you take all kinds, some people take all kinds of risks.

Leon Black who's a billionaire. Inexplicably paid Jeffrey Epstein, $150 million. Why? No reason at all? No reason. Oh, here's the reason that was offered by the mainstream media, which is unbelievably disingenuous. It said that Jeffrey Epstein helped him save money on taxes. That's right. Leon Black gave Jeffrey Epstein $159. And in 1987, Les Wexner, another billionaire gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over all his money.

where Epstein could do whatever he wanted with any of Les Wexner's money. And Les Wexner was the founder and CEO of Albrecht at that point, which owned Victoria's Secret and Tommy Hilfing, a number of flowing lines. So, Les Wexner gives Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over all of every single dollar that he has. and the media, and I can't believe this. I mean, you talk about disingenuous, the media, it was either the New York Times or Vanity Fair. I'm leaning towards the New York Times said that the reason why Les Wexner did that was because he was lonely. He was, so he gave Jeffrey, I've seen power of attorney over billions of dollars because he was lonely. I mean, if you believe that, there's a bridge in Brooklyn that I can give you a very good deal.

Well, there are, you know, for a billion dollars, you can buy a lot of company. You don't need to give, you don't have to sign it over to anybody. But why would a major media outlet say something so stupid? I mean, so it's very obvious that these media outlets went into cover mode, too. And there was the Jeffrey Epstein-McCham's compensation fund, which has been horrible. 225 women have come forward. 150 have been offered settlements, and eight have declined settlements. So, my has been given to 142 Jeffrey Epstein-Bakins.

And if you get money from that fund, you've got. got a sign at NDA saying that you're not going to sue anybody else. So that fund is silencing victims that the government couldn't silence. And it was put together by Jordana Feldman and David Boyce, who also represents one of the attorneys. And as soon as David Boyce started representing Epstein victims, he conscripted a guy named Stan Pottinger. and Stam Panger was an associate attorney general who covered up all kinds of stuff. And then after he was done covering stuff up, he decided, well, you know, I'm going to be a criminal now and make a lot more money. And he was, during the Iran-Kandra affair, he was busted talking to Iranians on how they can import weapons without any red flags.

and there was a recording of that of Stan Pottinger talking to these Iranians. And Rudolph Giuliani was in charge of the case. And the Iranians went down and went to prison. But the reason why Stan Pottinger didn't go to prison was because, according to the Department of Justice, the Justice Department lost the tape that had Stan Pottinger on, lost. I mean, they couldn't have given it as something a little more solid than just losing the tape. And this is the guy that David Boyce conscripts to help him. So I believe that the Epstein-Veacom's compensation fund is an intelligence operation covering up for an intelligence

operation. And the narrative, we do not know why some women are given settlements and some Mark. But I know of two therapists, and one's a psychologist, and actually she's a very esteemed psychologist, who believes absolutely that one of the women that she counsels was trafficked by, I assume, when she was under 10 years old. And she was denied money from the fund. And then I know another therapist who had, who counseled someone. And, for her. And, for This therapist believes that this woman had been trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein when she was under 10 years old. So there's two accounts of that, and both of them applied for compensation, and the victim's compensation film wouldn't give them a dime because they didn't fit into the narrative.

The narrative is that there weren't victims younger than 14. That's how dirty the victim compensation fund is. Well, are they to be able to apply and be granted, you know, some kind of relief from the fund, like are they having to prove anything? Or they're just, okay, so they have to prove that, hey, I've been to the house. I was contacted by them. Something. There has to be some kind of prove. You can just say it.

The first kid that I mentioned or the first person not actually was under 10, she described the interior of Jeffrey Abstein's house in New York. and she knew all kinds of stuff about that neighborhood. And she did not grow up in that neighborhood. And the psychologist really believes her. And as I said earlier, this is the psychologist that counsels her is one of the most esteemed psychologists in the United States, especially when it comes to working with abuse or trauma survivors. So that is the victims' compensation fund. It's just another cover-up.

And what's really, really egregious is that if someone signs, as I said earlier, if someone gets money from that compensation fund, then that's it. They sign an NDA. They can't sue anybody else. And that's really horrible because victims of sexual abuse heal by talking about their abuse. I mean, that's how they heal. Because I've written a lot about trafficking, I've gotten to know, and actually I've spoken at some very large trafficking conferences, the National Serine and Sexual Exploitation as an

international summit. Every year I've spoken at three of those summits, and the International Cyphal Study and Trauma Dissociation, I've spoken at one of their international meetings. and I've also spoken at a seminar that they've put on. So I've got a lot, over the years, I've learned a lot about trafficking and what trafficking becomes the kind of abuse that they endure. And it's really a tragedy that these women sign these NDAs because it's ultimately going to affect their healing.

I'm back to the list, of course, you know, I'm back to the list, which you're saying doesn't exist, but that's fine. That actually would make a lot of sense that that's why it's never being released. It's, that's why, I don't know whether,

you know, it seems like there would be some kind of a, something, but, I mean, look up the, have your audience, Google the Epstein Black Book.

You'll see all the people that are in that black book. Now, not all of them are compromised pedophiles, but a lot of them are, ones that are, I'm wondering, about the list, I'm wondering, is this a list that, you know, the list that's always being referenced, this may be a list of simply that the government has come up with, you know, hey, this is the list of the people that we think were, you know, were involved in this. Maybe it's not, you know, because they have to have had some kind of list. So it doesn't necessarily mean, the more I think about it, doesn't necessarily mean there's a list that that Epstein was keeping.

it could have simply been a list that the government came up with to say, hey, these are people that we believe participated and that that list may exist and they just never released it. I'm wondering, you know, and it is very obvious. That's an entirely plausible scenario. But when people talk about the list, they're talking about Delane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's list. And you're saying that you don't think that even exists.

The closest to become is Blackwood. But what people should be focused on is all these DVDs that the FBI impounded that seemingly went into a black hole. If you're going to get names of perpetrators, they're definitely going to be on those reports that the FBI got those DVDs. It's the same thing with these, the Diddy, you know, the government had, you know, they, they confiscated or whatever collected or, you know, in the, their raids all of this equipment on Diddy and they got a bunch of tapes. They've never admitted that they really have that there's anything on these tapes. You know, it's circulating that there's child, that there are children. It's circulating that there's all this stuff.

But the government's never come forward and said, hey, we have video of these events. Actually, there is someone from Homeland Security. And they've said that there's actual video of underage. Not of underage, but there's clandestine videotape. That was impounded. It was... Well, a clandestine could mean anything. Does that mean it's them having sex?

People, yeah, I mean, not knowing that they were being recorded. That there were all kinds of cameras. And it was Homeland Security that raided Diddy's home in L.A. and also Miami. Right. Generally, that is done by the FBI. of interstate job trafficking or human trafficking. But the Homeland Security does have a branch that deals with human trafficking, but that search warrant emanated from the Southern District of New York,

Damien Williams, who I talked about covering up both Epstein and Maxwell and also covering up Ditty. why would the search warrant emanate from the Southern District of New York when the searches went in L.A. on Ditty's L.A. homes and then also on his Miami home, you'd think that they would come from the District of Southern California. And that is additional proof that Damien Williams is very corrupt. And he wanted to make sure that the Southern District did damage control on Ditty. And the fact that Diddy was indicted on a conspiracy and no one else was indicted is just further evidence that this is a huge cover up. Well, I think, so that I understand. It's funny because that's a little slightly difficult concept to understand where most people would be like, well, that doesn't make sense. He's going to indict him when and then covered up.

Just why not not indict him? Because the truth is he's about to be indicted by somebody. Like somebody's going to indict him. If he's going to be indicted, I want to be able to be the person indicting him so that I can run kind of interference for whoever is involved in this whole thing. So we can do damage control for those people. So that it does make sense.

But the concepts a little bit, you know, most people aren't going to make that leap. They're going to be like, that doesn't make sense. But it does make sense. Exactly. And Damien Williams has shown that he's, willing to do the bidding of very, very corrupt people. And he is a very corrupt individual himself.

He resigned from the Southern District, being a U.S. firm for the Southern District a couple of weeks ago. His job was done. Now it's going to be passed to someone else who's equally corrupt as him to cover up the rest of the Diddy scandal. And again, Diddy was getting a lot of press attention because of these lawsuits that have been launched at him. I think by March there was probably eight. And the media was reporting on them. And as I said, was Spence and the Franklin Scandal on Epstein. And also Diddy, if you're a blackmailer, you're not going to be very successful.

successful at your job if people know that you've got hidden cameras. And those lawsuits definitely mentioned the hidden cameras. And plus, P. Diddy is, I mean, he started a bad boy records with Clyde Davis in 1993. And Clyde Davis, there was a documentary about him as being a benign archaegenerian and helping all these people on their careers. Flying Davis is a criminal, a big time criminal. And he's been indicted for not defrauding the IRS once or charged not once, not twice, but three times. He's been charged with defrauding the IRS. He was also involved in the biggest Peola scandal of all time.

And that's when record companies give money to DJs or radio stations. Right. And there was a Genovese guy named Pasquale Falkone who was busted smuggling a lot of into the United States of America and the Fed started drilling into Pasquois Falcone and they noticed that

he and Clyde Davis had set up a bunch of shell companies and Clive Davis was head of ABC Records at that point and inside Clive Davis was sliding money into these shell companies and his fire was a handler and also in the Genovese Fine family. And you want to know how much time Clyde Davis did for all that criminality? 20, 30 years. He didn't do one day, Andrew. No?

That's crazy. He had a much better deal than you did. Yeah. I didn't know the right people. You got to know the right people. And I'm sure that his criminality exceeded yours by five. are. And so the only way that a person can not spend a day in jail with that degree of

criminality as if he's working with the government. So I think that Clyde Davis took Diddy by the hand and they walked down the yellow brick road together. And that's where I think Diddy got his protection, started being his protection for all of his criminality. And the molestation, I think there is over 120 sexual assault lawsuits against him. And a lot of them have been minors. He's been doing that all these years. And he's just good. But again, those lawsuits started coming and he started getting immediate. And then it was time to take him down. Um, so I want to kind of touch on the

you've got a book that recently came out about Watergate. It's funny because, oh, gosh, I had a guy on here a few months ago, and I mentioned Watergate, and I kind of gave him the quick rundown of what had happened. And he looked across the table from him, and he goes, that's not right at all. I was like, what? So I had the kind of the version that I had, you know, and listen, I wasn't that far off. but I was further off than I certainly thought I was. You know,

I really felt like Nixon, I thought Nixon was kind of in the know the entire time and kind of dictating the whole thing. I also thought that when they, when the burglars went into the Watergate hotel, that it was the first time, they were going in to actually bug for the first time, when in fact I found out as we talked that,

no, the burglars were removing the wires. And I was like, okay, I didn't know that at all. Like I had it completely off. Actually, still have it wrong. Really? Still? My book on Watergate contains 2,328 citations, I believe.

I combed through thousands of pages. I spent a long time on that book. But Watergate is very complex. It's a conspiracy within a conspiracy. So it's a very complex tale. And people that have written, a number of you have written great boats on Watergate, but they've made them so convoluted that the books have to be studied that they can't be read. What happened with Nixon is he had been a cold warrior and a very staunch anti-communist.

And when he was elected and he ran in 1960 against John Kennedy and Lewis Be, But then he ran in 1968, and he was talking about extending oligranches to both the Russians and also the Chinese. He had realized before our foreign policy had been one of containment. And that's why we were in Vietnam. We were going to contain communism and Vietnam. And we had done that in South America. And we also have done that in other parts of the world. and he realized that containment wasn't working.

It was just very expensive. So when he was elected president, I think on his second day, he issued National Security Memorandum two, I believe it was called. And basically what he said was the CIA, the Pentagon, and the State Department will have no bearing on my geopolitical laws.

so basically because they were all hawks so basically he was telling the hawks in the CIA and the Pentagon and the State Department to go to hell and then he started doing clandestine negotiations with the Chinese

and also with the Russians and with the Chinese he opened up China for diplomatic relations we hadn't had diplomatic relations with the Chinese since it had become communist and then he told the Russians

because he really wanted to reduce nuclear weapons. And he told the Russians that he was willing to give up Vietnam if they were willing to start negotiating about nuclear weapons. As I said, he was doing this in secret because he knew that the Hawks would be so much against him. And actually, the Joint Chiefs of Snap started an espionage ring against Nixon. I repeat, it's called the Moore-Radford affair. It's been cited in numerous times.

But the Joint Chiefs wanted to know exactly what Nixon was doing with the communists. So they had this espionage ring that was there for about three years before the Nixon administration outed it. And after the next administration outed the espionage ring, then the CIA started infiltrating the Nixon administration. And all those guys that broke into the Watergate were CIA. Right. Except for G. Gordon Liddy. They were all CIA guys. And they broke it.

And you're correct. They could break in twice. But according to James McClard, who was ostensibly retired from the CIA, and he was one of the burglars, the bug wasn't working properly. Or they planned two bugs. And one of them wasn't working. properly. So G. Gordon Liddy, who was, I had to hate the word, use this word again, was ostensibly head of the plumbers. He had McCord go in a second time. And here is the

conspiracy within a conspiracy. The CI guys worked very hard to get busted the first time. They really wanted to get busted. They signed in to the Watergate. at about midnight. And they went to, they signed into the Federal Reserve board, which was on the eighth floor of the wire gate. And the Democratic National Committee was on the sixth floor. But the Federal Reserve had been burgled a month before. So there was intensified security on the Federal Reserve.

And at midnight, you've got a bunch of guys signing in. And the security guard had the IQ of like an avocado. He couldn't pray together. So the second time they went in, one of McCord's Confederates, Alfred Baldwin, called the D.C. There was an intelligence guy in the D.C. police named Kyle Schroffler, told the D.C. police that there was, there was going to be a break-in in the wiregates.

And Schoffler was improbably parked with two other police hours, and probably parked a couple of blocks away from the wiregate that night. And he shouldn't even bear in Washington, D.C. So that is one of the conspiracies that was perpetrated with wireate, is the CIA really wanted to take down Nixon. and they alerted the Washington Police Department. But the Watergate was also tied to a CIA hunting trap. There was a madam named Heidi Reichen,

and she ran a CIA hunting trap in the Columbia Plaza apartments, which is about a blackaway from the Watergate. And if you went to the Democratic National Committee and you were a big shot, you would go to a secretary and ask her for like an album or a collection of pictures. But there would be pictures of all the prostitutes that were working at the Columbia Plaza. This is way pre-Enternet. So it was kind of hands-on. So you look at the prostitute that you'd want, and then the Columbia Plaza would be called, and you would get the prostitute.

And then you would ultimately be compromised by the CIA because they had hidden games. cameras in that brothel. When the burglars got busted, one of them had the key to the drawer or the pictures were kept, and their photographic equipment was on top of that secretary's desk. So there's two conspiracies going on within Watergate. That's what makes it so unbelievably complex. Okay. Well, why is the CIA conducting any type of operations within the United States? I mean, I... I mean, that's not them before. You've got chaos. You've got the CIA has worked operated domestically for years.

Right. Isn't that against their charter? I mean... Oh, it's absolutely against their charter. But that doesn't stop them. And I believe, going back to the blackmail, I believe that there is a dart and a corner of our intelligence that blackmail people. That's why they have that power. That's how they can tell a U.S. attorney to stand down. I mean, they have so much power that they can basically do whatever they want. Well, so how, listen, how big, how thick is your book?

I mean, tell me you didn't, like if you got that many citations, What is this thing? Is this like, you know? It is not. My book is not a tone. These other Watergate books are tomes. I tried to keep Watergate as simple as possible. Every sentence has it.

The reason why there's so many citations is because every sentence has a citation. Okay. And the citations are either from government documentation or books or magazine articles. So most of it was mainstream stuff that I was able to triangulate. But the book is only 220 pages. My goal in writing this Watergate book, I'd written through previous books about CI blackmail operations, the Franklin Scattle Confessions of a D.C. Madam. And then this one, and this is what got me in, when I started to look into CI honey traps, that's what led me to to Watergate. And I also show that the famed reporters Bob Woodward and Cowburn are

pathological liars. And the head of the Washington Post is also a CIA asset. And Woodward is definitely an intelligence asset for sure. And I really demonstrate that in the book. So the CIA really wanted to get rid of Nixon. They set up that botched burglary. And then the Washington imposed one after him with CIA assets. Well, Kyle Bernstein wasn't on CS that I don't think. He just wanted money for nothing and chicks for free as

the dire straits would say. Okay. So was there an actual deep throat? Deep throat is a composite. Okay. But the most damaging information that was given to Woodward

came from Alexander Hay. who was Nixon's chief of staff. Alexander Haig hated Nixon, but he was a shapeshifter, and he was able to become Nixon. Nixon's former chief of staff, when the Watergate episode started to explode on him,

he resigned, and Haig, who had worked for the National Security Council, and actually Nixon, he started out as a colonel. Nixon made him a general. He was the guy that was giving really damaging information to Bob Woodward. Mark Felt was, I mean, that's such bullshit. Mark Felt wasn't even employed by the FBI when the most damaging information was coming out from Deep Throat.

He had been fired by the FBI and he was living in Virginia. Now, according to Bob Woodward, he would move his flower pot on his balcony if he wanted to talk to Diefeld. And D.Tro would walk by his apartment or drive by his apartment and look at his balcony. So we're supposed to believe that Hartfeldt had been fired from the FBI six months earlier, and he's driving into Washington, D.C. every day and looking at Woodward's balcony for a flower pot. But here's the thing with that. The Woodward's apartment was facing a courtyard. So for someone to to look at

Woodward's balcony, you would have to drive into an alley and get out of your car and walk about 50 feet and look straight up. And that's the story that they sold to us. When they weren't a bridge too far when

when I say they, I say Bob Woodward and his Confederates went a bridge too far when they named Mark Felt, who had a serious case of Alzheimer's. as Detroit and I don't think that Mark felt

probably remember what Watergate was and then Woodward said if Deepfield wanted to contact him he would put a clock on a certain page of the New York Times and then the New York Times

would be delivered to his apartment with the clock on it was like page 20 or something like that and the clock delineated what kind that they what time they were going to meet. And this, I mean, talking about incovidance with the mainstream media, all the newspapers that went into this apartment building were dumped in the lobby. There was a pile of them in the lobby.

And then you had to get the newspaper by going down to the lobby and picking it up. So there's no way that that system was even feasible because of how that apartment building handled newspapers. There are so many lies in Watergate. And they're so easy to prove because there's been such great books written about it. But as I said earlier, these books are tones. They're hard to get through. And I wanted to simplify Watergate as much as it could be simplified.

And it's still somewhat complex because you've got a conspiracy run that within a conspiracy. Okay. Well, have you done, did you do a show with Danny Jones about the, about Watergate, about your book? We focused mostly on abstain and ditty, but I believe that I did talk about Watergate too. Okay. Listen, it's either way, it's a great movie. Yeah. Well, it's a great movie.

unfortunately it's all fiction yeah you're getting you're getting too you're getting too tied down with the details there you can't you know you have to you have to minip you have to shape

things a little bit you only have two hours of screen time at most it's it is a great movie and as a journalist it it shows what it's like pursuing a story unfortunately it's all fiction and Bob Woodward

and Carl Bernstein are, I mean, what cracked me up about them was they tell lies when they don't even need to tell lies. I mean, I didn't, so I didn't know what you'd call that, either a serial liar or a pathological liar. So I googled serial liar and it came up as pathological liar. I'll give you some examples. Bernstein said that he drove to Virginia and this. torrential downpour to talk to someone that was going to give him information. And there wasn't any rain that day. The National Weather Service.

And then he said that there was a subpoena that was going to be served on him. And then he ducked into an office and hung out and then went and watched Deep Throat while the subpoena server was going throughout the Washington Post billing. That's bullshit too because Deep Thore wasn't even plain. There was a bunch of litigation at that point, and Deepwater wasn't even plain in Washington, PC. So these guys, these guys that are probably the most famous journalists in the world, they're the reason why thousands of kids go to journalism school every year, they're pathological liars. And Ben Bradley was the CIA asset, too. And I show that for sure in the book that Ben Bradley was a CIS and you lied about being a CIS.

Yeah, it's funny. It's like, you know, the experience I have with that is kind of like the movie War Dogs, where it's like, you know, the true story is so much more interesting than this fiction that they put on screen. And I think a lot of, you know, I actually wrote a book about a guy named Marcus Schrenker, who was a pathological liar. And it used to just kill me like why some of the lies he would tell. Like he was, this is a guy that had a beautiful wife. Well, let's start with. He owned a wealth management company that made, made good money. Lots of clients. His clients loved him. He was a professional pilot. He was a professional pilot. He was a professional. He was a professional stunt pilot. He had a beautiful wife and three beautiful children. There is no reason to lie. You're a top tier individual. And yet it wasn't enough. He was constantly talking about when he flew missions and, you know, in, you know, Iraqi freedom. Or he was talking about he was in the first wave of the Afghani, you know, the, when we invaded Afghanistan, it's like, you were never even

in the military. Like, you were. You know what I'm saying? It was like, it was like, you know, you don't like, why lie about that? You're already an amazing individual. But, you know, these guys, I don't, I don't know what possesses them. Chris Kyle. Now, that was a very good movie made about Chris Kyle by Clayton. He was also a pathological liar.

And what was that movie? He was the American assassin. I believe he was in Iraq or. Afghanistan as a sniper. It's called American sniper, the movie. Oh, American sniper, okay. And he's also a pathological liar. But this amazing movie has been made about him.

Right. Even though he's also a pathological liar. Well, catch me if you can. The movie Catch Me If You Can, Frank Abagnale. There are podcasts. There are books that are written about how his story is not completely fabricated, but the bulk of it is fabricated. And even when you watch the movie, I remember as a kid watching the movie when he goes into the bathroom to get away from the FBI and he goes through the toilet and then goes out, gets out of the aircraft in the wheel well.

Like I remember thinking like, that's got to be sealed. Like there's no like did he have tools with him? Did you have a blow torch? Like how did you get into the wheel well? It has to be that entire aircraft has to be airtight. Like how is that possible? And of course, you know, once the book came out, you find out like, oh, that's not even possible. There's no way for him to have gotten from the Fusel Lodge into the wheel well where the, you know, where the wheels come down.

It's just not possible to do that. And, you know, and there's so many other things that are just complete fabrication. I don't just mean the movie because the book is almost identical to the movie. Well, Watergate, it altered the trajectory of history, the history of the United States. It completely altered the trajectory, and that's why it needs to be revisited, and people need to know what Watergate was about. And the media has made it a good versus evil. The media has presented it as good versus evil, but actually it's a very good. complex tale. And is it a conspiracy with a conspiracy?

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