Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Inside the Karmelo Anthony Case: Claims, Politics & Public Backlash

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

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You really need a bunch of assholes stirring up those rumors. And then you got assholes like me who immediately believed it. This one, it hits a little close to home with some similarities. Some people in the comments may say this fella isn't qualified to speak on this topic. I think I'm damn well qualified to speak on it. self-defense claim myself. I was facing 25 years life in prison due to my circumstances. The case was dismissed and thrown out, which is I'm sure the outcome, Mr.

Carmelo Anthony is hoping for, but as we'll get into this, it's, it's not impossible, but, you know, I am a betting man and he's not looking good. He's not, he's not the favorite in Vegas to beat this case, and we'll get into why. Okay. Well, let's, so first you want to just kind of recap what happened. right so this is the landscape here we've got carmella anthony 17 years old from centennial high school played football was a track star of whatever reason everybody wants to make sure that you know he has a 4.0 GPA austin metcalf same 17 years old was a memorial high school football star also ran

track. Now, not that this is a huge deal, but this is Texas and these are competitive rival schools. So already with 17-year-old high school football stars and both of these kids, from what I understand were standout athletes, you've got a competitive nature just in that, just in and of itself. Texas football is, you know, that's like church. I mean, they don't play about their football down there. If you ever seen a movie Friday Night Lights, that shit's curious. The old fucking city comes out for these things. So that's the little bit. That's who they are. And like I said, I bring this up

just to go ahead and say there's already a competitive spirit between these teams, between probably these people. I mean, even in my small town here in South Carolina, you know, there's competitive, there's competitive you know, I guess attitudes, if you will, between

rival schools. It's just that's just the nature of the game, I guess we'll say so speak. Now, this was a, at day, David Kikendale Stadium. I hope I pronounce that right. In Frisco, Texas. So this was a track meet.

Now, from what I understand and from the best that I've been able to gather here, this was, I don't even think these guys were competing in the track meet. They were just there to support their schools. And it starts to rain. So it's a pretty heavy rain coming down. It's, I read somewhere that a coached,

told him, hey, go get in, go get under the tent because he was in the bleachers. So he gets his bag and he goes under the opposing teens tent. I don't know if that was on purpose or I don't know if that was just an accident. If it's raining like hell, you're just going to run for the, the first tent you see. Either way, he winds up in the opposing team's tent. So what happens there is Austin apparently approaches Carmelo. I don't know to what degree. I don't know how aggressive it was,

but in all certain terms, at least from the police reports, it says he tells him he needs to get out. He may have said, get the fuck out. He may, whatever. I don't know how he said it,

but the intent was, you need to get out of here. And he pushes him. Like, get out. So at this point, this is key later on, we'll talk about it a little bit later on,

but I'm just kind of going through what we know. At this point, Carmella goes over to his bag that he has. And I guess, grabs a knife. Now, I don't know of Austin knew he grabbed the knife, but I guess he at least seen him go to the bag. And he says, touch me again, you're going to have some problems or touch me again, you'll find out something along those lines. And Austin comes up to him again and Carmelo stabs him right in the heart. He ultimately winds up passing away. His brother,

twin brother, I believe was there named Hunter. He basically passed away in his arms. Now, Carmelo takes off, he ditches the knife, and he runs. You know, at first glance, you could say guilty people don't run, yada, yada, yada, but, you know, I'm going to try my best throughout this whole thing to look at things from both sides. If I go into opposing teams bench and I just stab their star player, I'm probably going to run too because I'm thinking somebody's going to be chasing my ass. So better idea is probably just not just to grab your shit and leave. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I mean, not stabbing would be the best thing. But, I mean, after that happened, you got to think there could be some repercussions. So I understand a little bit of why he fled. Right. Maybe not so much dropping the knife. It's another layer. But, you know, he drops the knife and he's fled. He is apprehended.

But when he's apprehended, he immediately admits that, you know, hey, I did this. You know, it wasn't, I'm not the alleged guy. It was me. I stabbed him. And then as they're placing him in the car, he goes, I can claim self-defense for this, right? So he's asking this before he's arrested, I don't think he's actually arrested in Miranda's at this point. Before he's arrested, he's asking the cops. So right then and there's a lot of problems with that in and of itself.

Number one, I'm not promoting people to do crime or acts like this, but if you do, don't talk to the cops. don't see shit just don't he's already opening himself up to you're asking if you can use self-defense and how do you know you even did what you did was in self-defense right so that's

that's a big problem right there right off the rip going forward there's an issue here with I think some go-fund me money his family makes a uh i think it's not go fund it's not go fund me it's like go send or something like that save send go or something like it's like a variation of go fund me they immediately put one up it uh it raised i think the equivalent of 350 000 which is what they wanted it's very quickly

that very quickly and then it surpassed that she actually went and bumped it up to 500 000 So it well exceeded what they wanted. And that was a big contingent because some people were saying, well, how are you able to, you know, commit a murder and then put a fund up to try to raise funds? And I think even Senator or one of his senator,

but Ted Cruz posted he was like, so a murder, a man commits a murder and it gets $500,000 on a go-funding. Me personally, I don't think politicians need to stick their nose in on. I was just thinking, keep your mouth shut. Like nobody, like, you know, why say that?

Like, you, he has, he has a, the kid, you know, guilty or innocent. You have a right to try and raise money to try and put out a, mount a defense for your son. Like, whether he's guilty or not, no matter what, you have a constitutional right. I'm allowed to raise money. I'm allowed to pay for a defense. I'm a presumed innocent, you know, that, thus far that senator doesn't know what happened. Yeah, and two, you know, when a politician like that, someone of his stature makes a statement or a tweet like that, you're already shaping a narrative because you have supporters and people that are, oh, you know,

Ted Cruz thinks he did it. You know, he must have. And that's unfortunately, Matt, that's where, you know, you and I experienced us a little bit. A divide amongst America, unfortunately is good for business. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. That's for time, that's views. Why do you think we're doing this? Exactly. That's why I was going to say. That's why we're doing this. You know, you got Republican Democrat, left, right, black, white. I mean, just, you know, North, whatever, however you want to classify it, gun toting, non-gun tooting, you know, everything is for division is good for content. So everybody's going to come out with their own narrative. And that's something that you can't stop. You can't combat that. That's just going to happen. It happened in my case and my self-defense shooting.

You had the general public going to come out. You can't stop that. But I do think that politicians and people of higher-in stature should probably just keep their mouth shut. Yeah, politicians and actors. Like, I always love some actor who happened to be in a series or two-hit movies. Now suddenly decides he knows who should run. Who should be the next president? It's like, bro, come on.

You barely took acting classes. Like, who are you? You play, you know, you played Shabazz. And, and Star Wars. Like, what are you doing? You know, you were the love interest in, you know, whatever. Like, come on, man. Like, either, and I mean, that's both parties.

Like, these guys need to just, just mind their own business. I'm going back a little bit. And that's one thing, like, I didn't even get it. And I don't want to get off topic, but like the, what's the lawyer down here? The Murdox. Like, they had documentaries on Hulu and HBO before this guy ever went to trial. I don't even know how that was. I mean, not that I'm saying.

he was innocent by any means, but that's still a swaying, you know, people's thought process. But, you know, anyways, the kid does get locked up. His bond is a million dollars, which is pretty steep for this. Now, a lot of factors go into when you're getting bond in a case like this because it's different, because he's not saying, no, I didn't stab that kid when everybody's saying, yeah, you did. He's saying, I stabbed him, but I did it in self-defense. So that's basically It's

Exing out that you're And you're a danger to the community You're not being initiated into a gang It's a one-off basically So that's something that's going to be factored into it His age is going to be factored into it He's young, he's 17 like we said Then not necessarily don't have a passport

You know can't flee the country That with a half million dollars you might could get somewhere But you know I don't even know if that was all accumulated At the time this bomb was set So in my opinion, I'm going to side with him again on this. I thought that bond was pretty high. How much was it again? It was a million dollars.

Oh, shit. I didn't hear that. Yeah. And you, I mean, and granted, you don't have to get bond. Like, you don't have to give you bond on a murder charge. But again, this is a murder charge with a different set of circumstances because of self-defense. It changes the game a little bit when it's, when it's self-defense. But, you know, be that as a May, was originally set at a million dollars, which in most cases, if you'd be,

going to come up with 10% um you know that's 100,000 the family lives in a pretty well-to-do neighborhood frisco Texas is a pretty affluent neighborhood like you're not struggling you're not I don't think you're living check to check uh living times you can sign your house over you know you put a lien on your house that's right and you put less down so they may not have had to come up but with 100,000 maybe it was 50 or well it didn't because it got lowered um it initially get lowered so and that's one thing we can talk about there was a judge named Angela Tucker. She reduced that bond from $1 million to $250,000, which is, was that a $750 decrease. Now, that's not exact. That's probably where, in my opinion, it should be. In my own

personal case, I had murder and possession of a weapon during a violent crime, which I'm assuming was probably similar to what he had. My bond was $150,000. The $100,000 was the lowest they could give you for the murder charge. They couldn't go any lower than that. And then the weapons charge in my case was 50,000. So my total bond was 150,000, which I had to come up with. It wasn't a full 10%. It was slightly less than that. I think I had to come up with like 12, 5 to get out. So his was 250. I was going to say, yours once again reasonable because you have kids, you're married, you own a home in the community, you're an upstanding citizen. You had been on the same job for a decade or whatever it was five years whatever i don't know what it was but actually 15 at that point 50 like

you're not going anywhere and yours was your and you were going to you were saying not guilty self-defense you know i don't even have a problem people supporting him if they believe that what he did was right i don't necessarily subscribe to what he did is right 100 and we'll get into that but you know i see nothing wrong with backing your horse in this race and there was no problem with that people are going to pick sides not everybody's going to always agree just like the cow written house situation you had an X number of people said he was well within his right to protect himself. The other path said, no, he's a cold-blooded murder and he needs to go away. Nobody's ever going to agree.

And people are going to back their, you know, whoever coincides with their belief system. But be that as it may, this young man did get bond. The judge, from what I understand, Angela Tucker, came under fire. She actually got some heat for lowering the bond as much as she did. like he should have gotten out on bond. He should have been given by, in my opinion, he should be given bond. He has a right to mount a defense. He needs to take part in that defense.

It's much easier if you're out. And also the other thing about bond, people don't realize is like he's not going anywhere. You know, oh, he did this. He's not going anywhere. He's not running. He's at home with his family. He's recognizable. I promise you, this kid isn't going anywhere.

And he's also on an ankle monitor. So that's another thing that, you know, obviously, If he goes outside of whatever parameters they said, in most cases, it's your home, doctors, lawyers, school. I'm a student in his case, I don't know. In a case like this, they very, very seldomly does anybody run. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't have one issue with that kid getting bond. It's much easier to fight your case if you're outside than when if you're sitting in a prison cell.

So I don't have any issue with him getting bond. Matter of fact, I'm glad he got bond. You know, as far as the dollar amount, I guess that's, you know, maybe for that part of town. or whatever that's average, but, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. But now they have a victim's advocate that's kind of the spokesperson for the family in this situation. And, uh, you know, this gentleman has a hard time with the English dialect. Um, you know, I've listened to him butcher, flat out butcher some, some very common words,

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plus.com. I said over a half a dozen times. I shit you not. I've seen all the bug shots. He was actually convicted for committing bodily harm to a two-year-old and had multiple allegations of former ex-wives for spousal abuse. Now, look, this has absolutely nothing to do with Carbella Anthony. You know, this guy's shit is his own.

Yeah. But for God's sakes, if you're going to pick somebody to represent you, I mean, get somebody with a clean record for fuck sake. I don't understand what the thought process is. here is. You know, there's got to be a guy out there that is better equipped to handle this situation. Why, the lawyer's not talking. I don't know. You know, the lawyers, I haven't found anything with the lawyer talking, but he's got to be better on the mic to this guy. And first of all, the lawyers probably saying, you know, lawyers typically are saying, like,

don't say anything. They're probably just not listening to the lawyer. Yeah, probably not. Or this, or this minister, you did say minister. He calls himself a minister. I don't if he actually is a minister. Well, I'm pretty sure it's a $50 certificate. So this minister for all, you know, he may have already been a front of the family. Maybe they go to church. They already know him. He shows up. I could, you know, we need to do this. So he may already have them under his spell. That's correct. And I mean, you know, I don't know these people's, uh, stature in the community. They may know each other. They may be friends. They may go to the same church. You know, I don't know how they reached out. But a lot of times when you're involved in something like this,

especially something that's high profile, people will find you if for nothing else for, you know, clout and representation to what they do. You know, people will seek you out, hey, I'll do this for you, pro bono, you know, they'll do, you know, pro bono work, whatever the case may be, to advertise them, their business, what they do. It's always an interior ulterior motive. They're not doing it out of goodness with their heart. Right. Nashick. Maybe they are. Maybe they're just good people. I don't know. but maybe maybe they're just a lawyer with a heart. I kill myself.

As a lawyer or the Dippy Pocketbook is what is there. So they got this guy front and center. He's in a lot of the interviews. Like I said, you'll know him by the, the butchering of the dialect that he does repetitively. Some words are just very, very difficult for this guy to get out.

Like I said, you got a lengthy rap sheet, bodily harm to a two year old is not a good look, especially when you're referenced. presenting someone fighting a murder charge. It's just not the best options. You know, you probably should have reconsidered that because you, you want from here going forward to be clean as a whistle.

You don't want any blemishes. Now, they do a press conference. Now, this press conference, a lot of things take place. We've got to dissect this. So the press conference, this gentleman, like I said, he gets up and he butchers a lot of language and the mom gets up. And she's very tearful in her speech. and I can coincide with her a little bit because I was there to a certain degree.

She's saying, look, you know, we moved here to give our kids a better life, you know, a better life than what we had. We're outstanding members of the community, you know, because of this action, now our lives are being threatened. You know, we can't go to work. She's got a daughter, I think. She said that, you know, she's scared to sleep in her own bed because of death threats. Look, you're in Texas.

I'm not saying that's not possible. Yeah. But I mean, you can't go to work. Like it doesn't like, come on. Like, nobody's going to gun you down. Like, stop. And I mean, I can see where she's nervous about it. It is Texas.

You know, so I get where she's coming from. But the problem is the husband is there while she's saying all this. And he's just like, every so often he'll wipe her, he'll wipe her peers. And I'm sitting there. I'm like, as the main bro, why aren't you talking? Right. Why are you, unless you're, just trying to get a the mom or the women on your side in this case,

why aren't you up here taking the brunt of this thing? You know, because it was your son. Maybe he can't cry on demand. It's possible. But she finishes this whole thing. And, you know,

there was allegations that they were getting money from this go fund me. They were buying exotic vehicles. They had moved into a bigger house that was a $900,000 home. from all the reports that I've read through, all those things seem to be false. Oh, okay. I had heard they bought, went out and bought like a really nice SUV and they were looking at nice homes.

I don't know if I didn't hear that they'd move in, but I heard that they were, that was like the next step. Well, from what I understood when she did this press conference, the funds that only just became available, and this was actually verified from the CEO of the company, of GiveSing Go. I think it was about a GiveSing Go. So from everything that I've seen, that was untrue.

That was that was not the case. Now, however, since he's out, the editing or the wording has been edited of what the funds will now be used for. So now it's put on, you know, could be used for private security, could be used for change of residency, you know, different things because they aren't going back to work. They need to stay home. the wording has changed to where it's not every bit of the funds is going to be for legal representation. Right.

But beforehand, as far as I can tell, none of that stuff was true. They didn't go on a spending spring. And really, I mean, that doesn't take a whole lot of sense anyway. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, what's fucked up about that is that people were doing,

that people were out there trying to spin it. Yeah. Like, they got enough. These people have enough problems. Their family has enough problems. this kid's got a major fucking, some major problems. Like, do you really need a bunch of assholes stirring up that kind of those rumors? And then you got assholes like me who immediately believed it.

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Because our minds are trained to believe everything we see the first time we see it. That's just the impact that social media has had. And that's the downfall of society. I remember when the George Zimmerman situation happened, Spike Lee, who's a pretty prominent movie director in Hollywood, tweeted out George Zimmerman's address and said, maybe somebody should go ask him why he did what he did. It was the wrong George Zimmerman.

Wow. He said a shitload of people to this guy's house. The guy was worried his house was going to get burned down. And because he didn't do his due diligence, you know, he almost got an innocent man killed. The power of social media is dangerous when you have a big following like that. So if you, if you sensationalize fictitious and fabricated information,

it's dangerous to a certain degree. It's dangerous for character. This could affect them going to court. Everybody's going to, like what you said, you thought, damn, these people got this kids facing murder charges. They're buying a damn navigator or whatever the case.

I don't know what car was. But, you know, people think like that. So I'm going to jump in here and people can yell about it in the comment section and I don't really care. But I have a Spike Lee story. Okay. It's not my Spike Lee story.

Okay. But I know a guy. So I was locked up with a guy named Andrew Levinson. We called him Red Bull because he was there for running a business opportunity scam that helped dealt with Red Bull. Anyway, Andrew. Andrew had a, I want to say it was a Bentley or a Rollsworth. Let's go with a Bentley. I don't know what you want to was.

but so he had a Bentley he's a member of like a really nice country club he has a he's living in a three four million dollar house which and he was living in he was living in um i want to say like Palm Beach area um you know uh so you know it's Florida so like a three or four million dollar house I said like a nice house so and so he and his wife uh they go to they go to dinner at the country club he said we're leaving and they walk up to where the valet is and she turns to the valet and she hands him their ticket and says it's the Bentley or it's the blue Bentley and the guy takes a ticket and he looks at her and he goes okay and she goes she said are you going to get it and then Andrew hears that this going on because he comes up behind her and looks and he sees Spike Lee holding the ticket for the the valet ticket and he looks it and he's like yeah Spike Lee's like um I'm not the valet and he goes oh my god and he reaches over and takes the thing he's like and I'm so sorry and his wife's like she's like why aren't you going to get it he's like and she's like what and he goes he's like yeah I'm not the ballet he's like that's Spike Lee and she goes who's Spike Lee and he's he's a director he's like a famous director and and he's like I'm so

sorry. And Spike Leo's, he was, listen, not a big deal. He said, I totally get it. And he was like, he said, you know, he gives that the ballet comes running up, gives it to ballet. He's like, look, and he was in, he was in my wife's defense. He had a jacket that was similar to the valet. You know, he tries to. He said, bro, funniest. He's like, his wife was like, oh my God. I'm so sorry. She's like apologizing. And I thought that was funny. Because he said, oh. I said, he wasn't offended. He said, no, he started laughing. He just shook his head. like I don't worry no problem anyway those are the kind of things though that you have to watch out for the spreading of misinformation you know with the way Photoshop and shit is nowadays and hell the editing we can edit we can edit we can edit a podcast like me and you were talking to Donald Trump and it'll look like we're just going back and forth on a podcast I mean oh absolutely it's crazy so you really got to take anything you see nowadays with a grain of salt and to pick apart a little bit of what about what

she was talking about with, you know, when something like this happens and the media attention, there's nothing you can do about that. It's going to, it's not nothing that you can brush up under the rug. Listen, when I got out of jail, so, you know, my situation happened on a Sunday morning. That whole day there was news vans all up and down my block, Monday, Tuesday. I get locked up or they tell me I'm going to jail on a Wednesday. By then the, the vans had started to disappear, not literally be across the street. I get locked up on a Wednesday. I surrender on Sunday.

I surrender on Sunday. And I get released on Tuesday. When I got released, when I got back home, there were more out in front of my house. But to cover when I got it. That's nothing you're going to be able to avoid because that's, you know, especially if this is in a town where something like this is in common, they're going to job all over.

It's the biggest story to go. Now, you know, give it a week. Nobody's going to talk about it. it very much anymore. It's going to be on to the next. But it's still going to affect if you got kids in school, it's going to, now this story's different. Nobody, this one will be in there for more than a week. But I'm saying in an average something that isn't a media spectacle like this, you know, you give it a week. It's on to the next story. Let's go back to the press conference because I understand the press conference was eventful. Yeah. So that was the part of the press conference

with Carmelo Anthony's family. Now, before this happened, And I don't know his name right off the top of my head. But Austin Metcalf's father shows up to this press conference. And so I don't know if this was in like some sort of bingo or I say bingo, but you know, auditorium or whatever, wherever this was. And he shows up. Obviously, you know, this white guy walking in here, I'm assuming there weren't very many white people in this, you know, gathering.

And they know who he is. He's been in the media, which he's publicly also said that he forget. gives Carmelhampton and he doesn't want this thing to be made into a race issue. But he goes in there and on the surface you would be thinking he's going there to start some shit. There's no other reason why you go into the gathering of the people, the family of the, you know, the parents of the kid that murdered your son. You're going there to start some shit. And he goes there and they're asking him to leave and he's like, I'm not leaving. And eventually he's escorted out by, I guess that was whatever security they had. And what that did. And what that

did was really kind of paint a picture of the situation that happened with his son. He went into an auditorium where he was not wanted, where he was not invited. He was asked to leave. He said, no, but yet at the end result was he did leave. He was removed and he's still alive. He didn't stab anybody. Nobody died. It didn't resort to violence. And it was the point to prove this is how a situation like this should happen. It doesn't need to come to this. So I thought that was pretty, on the surface when I first heard it,

I'm like, oh, this guy was looking to start some shit. But then it goes, you know, he just blows their whole case wide open because he goes there uninvited. He goes there knowing he's not one, wrong side of the tracks, wrong tent, whatever you want to classify it as. He's asked to leave, doesn't want to leave,

but eventually does, and he doesn't staff anybody. And he's like, this is how disagreements are supposed to be handled. Right. Which is, I think it was pretty powerful. So now that's kind of where we're at. That's the most recent thing. So now where we're at now is he's going to,

it's basically going to go to a grand jury, the pre-indictment phase. So a grand jury is going to hear and they're going to choose whether to indict him. Now, there's a saying that's really old and I'm sure you've probably heard it. They can indict a ham sandwich. I didn't even know I got indicted. It was just so common that the, lawyer told me I was going to get indicted.

And I asked him, I was like, am I even indicted yet? And he's like, oh, yeah, that happened like six months ago. And I'm just, he's like, everybody gets indicted. Very rarely does the grand jury not indict. Because what people don't know is when you go in front of a grand jury, it's just the people that want to put you in prison is what the grand jury hears. They don't hear your lawyer. Yeah.

No, it's just the prosecutor walks up and he says, this is what happened. And he can shape it however he wants to shape it. Yeah, your lawyer is not even involved in it. You're not there. Your lawyer's not there. It's not like you can say, that's not how it would happen. You're not even a part of it, which is really a fucked up scenario. I don't really know how that's a thing.

And why it's been going on for so long, but that's how it is. So he's more than likely going to get indicted. Now what's going to happen is he's going to get probably offered a plea deal or he's going to go to trial. Now, they're hanging their hat on self-defense. So this is where this thing is going to get interesting. If they don't accept a plea deal and they're going to trial, depending on what kind of plea deal they offer him, you know,

those are things that you got to think about. Because if they offer you mans, if they pleaded down to manslaughter into five years, you know, to get to that point, it'll probably be two years. You think manslaughter is five years? I'm just saying,

five to seven. I've known people to get seven for manslaughter. Wow. I always think of manslaughter. Florida's around 10 to 15, but that's, I'm in Florida. So I don't know what it is in South Carolina. Yeah. I mean, it varies state to state.

Texas from what I understand is fairly lenient, but so is Florida, isn't it? Florida's horrible. They give out stiff sentences. You do 85%. The guards beat your ass. There's no air conditioning, which is the worst part for me. I'll put it with a lot. But you got cockroaches and air condition, no air conditioning?

No, I can't. can't do it. Okay, I won't. I won't do it. You see, slutt and that's that, I won't. I won't. I won't do it. I'm telling on everybody. You know me so well. So let's unpack the actual incident here from a lawyer's perspective, shall we? One thing I got to ask is, where the hell of the coaches and the parents that distract me? I know. I wondered that. Like how close, in my mind,

You know, it's so funny, you tend to formulate a scenario in your mind when you hear things. Yeah, you shoot a movie. Yes, exactly. I have a scenario in my mind, which is there's people around, but nobody's even close. And it's just, it's just Carmelo sitting underneath the awning. you know, and sitting. He's sitting there. His book bag is on the chair next to him,

little folding chairs underneath this little kind of awning thing that the little tent, you know, the little tent stand that they put up. And the two brothers walk up and say, hey, you know, hey, bro, this is for whatever, you know, King High School or, you know, whatever.

You know, this is for Cougar High School or whatever it is, you know, Amelia Earhart High School, whatever. So, you know, this is for, such and such high school and he sits there and he doesn't really say anything and they're like, yo bro,

you got to get out of here. And he stands up and says, what are you going to do about it? Next thing you know, the kid, you know, Austin pushes him. And then he says, get out of here.

He says, he turns around, goes to grabs his bag, reaches his hand in his bag and says, you fucking, you know, you touch me again.

You're going to fucking find out, motherfucker. And he turns around. And as he turns around, and as he goes to push him again, the kid stabs him. Kid drops down. He immediately takes off running.

His brother's standing there with Austin the whole time, heard the whole thing. Carmelo runs off, ditches the knife, eventually gets picked up. Nobody's really around that sees anything. You know, maybe the brother screams, people come running over. And in my mind, that's kind of the way I see it. The whole thing, what's so funny about that is when all of this comes out, in the jury, you know, in front of a jury, it may be, there were hundreds of people around. There were 14 people sitting there. He was just standing by himself next to the thing.

He walked up and, you know, he may have been the aggressor. You know, so Carmelo may have been the aggressor or Austin may have been the aggressor. Maybe he's sitting there humbly by himself and Austin comes up and immediately starts an argument or a fight. you know, like, it will shift as you get the information. And as of right now, even in my scenario, which still says, hey, Austin is the aggressor. You know, I still see Carmelo as being wrong for all the reasons that we're going to go over. Yeah. But then again, I also in this, even in my scenario, you know, I still don't see, like I still see, I still kind of see man.

slaughter. And I still don't see, you know, I see this, I see 15 years, 20 years. I don't see, only because he's so young and he's just a stupid kid and you're 17, you know, kids are stupid at 17. You're bringing a knife. You're just a fucking idiot. But, and yeah, somebody died. So that's, that's, but I just, you know, my fear and my fear is here's what's what's going to happen.

while we're on the subject that I brought up. My fear is that his family is going to turn it into a black-on-white or a white-on-black or a black-and-white issue. I think that's kind of already been done. Well, yeah, but I mean, doing in the press and then going in front of the court is two different things. So I think they're going to do that in the courtroom. They're going to throw statistics out. They're going to talk about bullying.

They're going to talk about how he felt, you know, he was intimidated. They're going to do all of these things. And it's going to, they're going to push that agenda. And it's going to unravel in a courtroom in Texas. And this kid's going to get 30 years. Do you see what I'm saying? Like he's that they're going to go with like, yeah, we this, we the self-defense and this and that. And the problem is the prosecution is going to come in and dismantle all of that rhetoric.

and he is, you know, he is factually guilty, and he's going to end up. And you could have pled it down to get 15, 10 or 15 for manslaughter. Instead, we went to trial. We got you for murder. You're getting 30 years. And that's- Right, right. And that's, you know, that's my fear is that they think, oh, we can walk away.

I don't see you walking away. No matter what the scenario is, I think in the end, he brought a knife, he pulled a knife, he stabbed someone. I'm not saying it was premeditated, but you shouldn't have brought the knife. You could have walked away. Here's where lawyers are really going to come into play, because you can't argue premeditation. And we'll just kind of hop into why these things are going to be prevalent

and how lawyers are going to look into it. And I'll just piggyback with this last thing. I think at the very least the METCabs have a suit, against that school for not having enough people around to stop this shit. Because you're telling me nobody was around. Yeah, security or nothing. And also just to add to your point, you're going to find out more stuff. They have interview more people.

Right now we literally have one side of the story on record, police record. Before it goes to trial, everybody will get the, or his side will get the discovery, which would be everything, any video footage. I find it hard. Nobody had a fucking camera going when all. all this is going on. If they did, they've probably seized it.

They're not letting it get out. They've got a video. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I don't know it was. I heard there was, but I don't know for sure that there is. Okay. And they're very well may be.

And that's what I'm saying. Like a lot of people don't understand like how corporate proceedings work. So when you're, when you're going to trial and you're facing the state and they're trying to put you away, there's a point in what's called disclosure. They have to give you every third discovery. They have to give you everything they're going to be using in

court. Essentially, a lawyer won't be going in blindsided. They're going to see. They have all this information. As to how they use it, how they spend it, that's different, but you know what they have. So you'll know if they got a video of you coming in and you pushing the Metcab kid, which is going to totally fuck your narrative. They'll know that. And they'll say, you know, we got to reconvene. We got to re-do this. So all those things will come out if this goes to trial. The one thing here is this whole thing started. Remember, he comes up and he pushes Carmelo and says get out here, get the fuck out our tent, whatever.

Carmelo then goes to his bag and goes in for a knife, which some people have even said it wasn't a knife. It was a cleat sharpener. It doesn't matter if it was a fucking banana. Yeah. When he goes out of that bag, he's fucked. My opinion, when he goes to that bag, it's done. Because self-defense, if you're not in your home where you don't have, you have the duty

to retreat a situation if you can. So if I come up and I push you, Matt, we're out and we're at that golf place. We went and play butt button. I push you. And I say, get the fuck out of here. And you have the ability to walk off.

You have that duty to retreat. And in this case, he didn't retreat. He went into his bag. He got a weapon that he probably wasn't supposed to have on those school grounds. I'm betting. I don't know. You can get into blade length and all shit like that.

you know, whatever. He makes the decision to go to that bag, open that bag, get that knife, then turn around and threaten him. And I think that is called, there's a name for it. I don't have it here.

I don't know. It's a name for it where basically you initiate the confrontation at that point. Because he could have left and that would have been the end of it. Both these kids would still be alive. But when he baits him, Touch me again, you'll find out. And obviously this Austin kid went to do it.

Then he stabs him in the heart. Those split few seconds is what this case is going to hinge on. He didn't retreat. He went to a bag, knowing he had a weapon in that bag, went and got the weapon, then turned around and baited him into coming back again, and then he stabbed him. That is what this case is going to hinge on. They're talking about, you know, Carmilla's made Facebook posts with guns and money and whatever. So what?

So what? Name me a 17 year old that ain't posed with guns. None of that shit matters. You can use that to try to discredit his character if you want to, but I mean, you can probably pull shit with the other kid. It's all going to boil down to that. That is what this entire case will hinge on. Is him going to that bag going into that, but you've got all that time.

That even in and of itself can be considered premeditation. Because you knew what was in that bag. Now, he had the knife on him And he comes up and pushes him and says get the fuck out of it and he stabs him That's a little different A little different But even then what's what's You can say it said it was an it was a gut response

I was scared I was like pulled out my knife and I just thought I was pokey like it was you could you have that It happened so fast and I was scared and but if you had but you're saying you had a you had the opportunity to walk over get the bag Open the bag pull the knife turn around like there's too many steps there. Illegal provocation was the word I was trying to find earlier. It's where you bait someone to basically, you know, initiated an attack because in a self-defense claim, you can't be the aggressor and then claim self-defense. Like, I can't come and, you know, to you and be an aggressor and then we get into a fight and you start kicking my ass and then pull out a gun and shoot you and say, oh, well, you know, I was in fear for my life. No, I started it. So I lose the ability

to claim self-defense. Right. So that's the biggest thing I think that he's going to have a problem with. And then the next thing is, you know, when you resort to self-defense, you have to prove that you were in imminent danger, a bodily harm or death. So what did this Austin kid do? He walks up and he says, get the fuck out of our tent. He didn't say, I'm going to kill you, I'm going to stab you, I'm going to shoot you.

he says get the fuck out of our tent so you can't come back from a threat and a push with deadly force that's not going to fly right it's at least as you know the one-on-one interaction between the two you have to match what's going on here you know you can't immediately come back with that so that's going to be something that these you know attorneys for the met cafe or the state attorneys are going to use to blow holes in the self-defense case and those two things right there I think are really going to be what sinks them. Now, depending on the caliber of lawyer that he's got, what they're going to have to do is flip this narrative. They're going to have to say, and this kid, by all means, in the pictures, he's not a small kid. Like, he looks like he got it. If he needed to throw down, he could probably handle himself.

He's a good football player. He runs track. He's definitely in good physical condition. So he looks like somebody that can handle himself if need be. But, you know, maybe he's not a violent guy. I don't know. The problem here is his lawyer. lawyers is going to have to flip this entire script.

So what they're going to do is they're going to say, okay, you know, this, this kid, this black kid was under this tent. I don't know the ratio of white to blacks. Maybe it was a bunch of white kids in one of the school. He's around a bunch of white kids. One of the biggest ones comes up to him with pushes them. You know, he don't have time to think about it.

He thinks he's got to get a weapon to protect himself. And they're going to start interviewing Johnny, whatever the fuck over here on the corner. Hey, were you there? Yeah, I was there. What were you doing? I was just watching. Well, you know, where was your hands?

I don't remember. Well, it was raining. Did you have on a jacket? Yeah, I had on a jacket. Did you have your hands in your jacket? Yeah, I probably did. No further questions. Because that could be saying, hey, this guy seen, you know, two guys with a hand in the jackets.

He didn't know if they had a weapon. That's where this thing is going to get real tricky and real sticky is how are they going to present this to the jury to get him off? Because they're already working behind the eight ball because he started talking. you know, he said, can this be considered self-defense? And see, that's another thing. It's called consciousness of guilt. So that's behavior following an incident that can indicate guilt, right? So running.

Yeah, running. Hiding a knife. Throwing the weapon. And then not even knowing if what you did is self-defense. If I'm that kid and those cops pick me up, bro, I had to, bro. He'd come at me. You know, his brother was there. He had two other big, you know, gigantic fucking offensive linemen behind him.

I had to do it. I was scared for my life. I thought they were going to kill me. That's not what he says. He says, this can be considered self-defense, right? What I did, can that be considered self-defense? You're asking the cops if what you did with self-defense, which means you don't even know. And again, I'm saying all this, A, from a guy that went through a similar situation.

And B, it's a lot easier to Monday back, Monday morning quarterback something. when, you know, it's after the fact. And I acknowledge that. But, you know, we have to do it because it's important for people to know these things. And that's where he's going to get into trouble because you don't ask if it's self-defense. You fucking stand on that. You stand on business and you'd say, yeah, self-defense. He'd come at me.

But even that's going to be hard because he, what did he do? When he come at you, what did he say? He said, get the fuck out of our tent. That's it. That's all he said. Right. You know, that's what their lawyer is going to say. He said, get out of their tent.

tent? Was that worth taking this man's life? Did he say he was going to kill you? Well, no. Did he say he was going to stab you? No. Did they threaten to him and his brothers threatened to stomp you out? No. He said, get out of your tent. Yeah. This can be a thing. Was it their tent? Right. Was it your tent? No, it wasn't my tent. Why didn't you go to another tent? Why didn't you be? And I have a question. Has, has, has, I had heard one, Once again, who knows what you hear in social media, right? I had heard that Carmelo had an issue where he'd brought a knife to school in the past. Is that true?

I have heard that. I cannot confirm that that happened. But I did hear that. Now, they interviewed a girl, which is, I don't know whether she thought she was helping him or not, the poor kid. But she's interviewing, the news is interviewing her, and it's on TikToks, if you find it. and they're saying what happened is she's like well you know i've never thought he would have stabbed somebody you know he's been in a lot of fights and stuff like that but i never thought he would stab somebody so you're not exactly helping the man maybe they were maybe they're exes or something who

knows but again you're always going to be able to take past shit so far like they're 17 year old kids they get in fights it doesn't mean they're they're fucking hoodlums yeah i mean i got all kinds of people in my school had gotten fights and some of them are lawyers and, you know, doctors and and all kind of stuff. Shit happens when you're 17, you're in school and you're Texas and you're competitive and you're in a sport that demands a certain level of masculinity. They're not playing fucking croquet and miniature golf over here. They're playing football.

They're knocking blocks off. You know, there's a certain aura and masculinity that comes with this that both of them had apparently. And, you know, it's unfortunate that it's going to be needleed and niggled and nils. picked to, in December of last year he posted a picture with a gun, he was looking for trouble. That's this fucking months ago, bro. None of that. It's the matter.

And unfortunately for this kid, I think his self-defense claim is not going to work out. And what you said is if he doesn't take that plea deal and he goes and it doesn't work out in his favor, then he's going to be stuck with whatever the judge gives him, which could be, like you said, 20, 25, 30, you know, it could be life. I mean, he is 17, but, you know, they'll probably try him as an adult because by the time he, this gets to court, he'll be 18. I don't know how that's, you know, significantly looked at with the, with the time difference. And, you know, I've thought long and hard about this because the situation is, is similar

in some ways, but it's very different. Because I said, I know people in the comments are going to say, what's Wade talking about, you know, a guy hit him and, you know, that guy wasn't armed and way shot him. Look, mine was different. One, I was in my house. All right. You don't have the duty to retreat if you're in your house. Two, this guy threatened to kill me.

He didn't say, I'm going to whip your ass or I'm going to knock you out. He said, I'm going to fucking kill you. And then he put his hands on me. And then he hit me. And then when he did let go, I'm literally, my back is literally against the wall, so to speak. I'm actually in a corner. I can't retreat even if I wanted to. to top off the fact I just had back surgery a few days before this.

I own a weapon that's not illegal. It's a certified weapon. I have my CWP license. And at that point, I had no other choice but to use that weapon. And with the castle law, you can use up and two deadly force if your life is being threatened, which of my case it was.

So yes, the guy didn't have a gun, but I didn't agree to a fucking fist fight with this guy. Like I said, I'm just had a back surgery. So I didn't say, hey, come on, motherfucker, let's scrap up, let's go, you know, toe to toe.

I wouldn't have done that because I couldn't do that. So I didn't tell him to make that choice. He did it. And that's going to be the difference. I can hear these assholes in the comments. It's not even the same fucking thing. It's nowhere near the same thing. This guy was not at his house.

You know, the guy didn't threaten to kill him. You know, and he's got a weapon that's illegal to have where he had it at. It's way different. And, you know, the end of that. Do we know that it was illegal or it was just he shouldn't have had it there or it was like we don't know that it's illegal. It might not be illegal because I don't know the exact blade link, but I don't know the rules either. I mean, I wouldn't think you're supposed to have a weapon of any kind. That would attract me.

No, I agree. But, you know, there's a difference between policy or, you know, it could be, you know, just brains and something that is, hey, that's a sure. that's a weapons charge. We don't know what it is. But what we do know is you had an opportunity, you had it with you, you had an opportunity to retrieve it, which means you also had an opportunity to walk away.

Right. And in those times, what a jury is going to do is there, even if this is not your thought process, they're going to make, they're going to paint a picture to the jury. And they're going to say, this guy knew that if he went over to that bag,

that he can entice Mr. Metcalf to come at him and he stabbed him on purpose. That's what they're going to do. They're going to paint you the worst way they can do it. Oh, yeah, they're going to say stuff about you that you're just going to be like, like, they can take a normal everyday thing that nobody would think much of and make it sound so ominous and so horrific that you're like, what are you talking about?

I was checking the mail. And by the time they get done saying it, it's going to be like, it's going to be, he was staking out this and he was this he was intimidating he came out every day and intimidated his neighbors and he oh she got the mail or she got the mail you know i don't was playing with my dog my dog had to be you know he had a vicious chihuahua that terrorized that neighborhood and bit children in the neighborhood you're like what he's awesome about they love that dog so yeah yeah they'll turn it into it'll be horrific like Like when by the time they get done with this kit with Carmelo, he, he, he's going to be like, this, I can't believe how they're, they'll twist anything.

Even if it's innocent, they're going to twist it and you're going to be a monster and you're going to end up with fucking 30 years or, or worse. It states this black and white issue. I'll bring up something Joey Marlino said that was, it was hilarious. And I know this don't really compare in the situation, but he was talking about how they were talking about how they were talking. talking about him in courtroom day and he's like this fucking guy was so convincing by the time he got done talking he actually had me believing that i really did but they were accusing me to do it now whether he did or not's another story but the way he said it was funny he's actually kind of funny on something but he's telling the truth because i remember when i was in there to get bond obviously they're not they're not one to let this man is a he's a danger to the community he's committed this horrible act in a neighborhood with children where they're out every day and he could do it again and i mean just all these things and, you know, he, he lured this man here. I'm like, lured him. This fucking guy reached out to me.

I wasn't doing lure shit. And he's like, he lured him here with this plan of, I mean, that's their job. I understand what they're doing. But I mean, I'm sitting and you can't say anything. And I'm sitting there looking like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? I look at my lawyer. I was like, is he serious? And he's like, shh.

Yeah, oh, they still say anything to him. Hey, yeah, Joe, those honey there. I got this. I got this. I got. Yeah, yeah, we're good. This proceeding will be over in a minute. I'll be able to go to lunch and you're going right back to the fucking holding cell.

Yeah. That's exactly what happened. And in my case, the lady didn't even give, she didn't even say bond granted, bond and I said, I'll make my decision to let you know and bang the gavel. And I'm cuffed up. I look to him. I said, what the hell does that mean? He said, I guess that means you let us know.

And they're, you know, carrying me off to the next room. And I asked the guy, I'm like, what does that mean, bro? He's the bailer or bailiff or whatever is uncuffing me. he's like, ah, you'll probably get a decision in a week or two. And I'm like, a week or two. Like, I'm not, I'm not cut out for a week or two in there. It's 24 hours and I'm, you know, I'm ready to go. This is not my idea of a five-star hotel by any means.

But those are the kind of things that they're going to do to that kid. They're going to paint him in the worst way. Now, his legal defense is going to go the exact opposite, just like mine did. You know, hey, look, he's a fill of the community. He's worked for the same company for 15 years. He's got a daughter. He's got a son. He's got a wife.

you know, his wife works for here, his daughter goes here, they're going to paint it the exact opposite. And it's just like a documentary. When you watch a documentary, the documentary is going to favor whoever financed the documentary. Right. You know, if you watch the one in the staircase, that was put on by John Peterson, right?

I think that was his name. So it's going to favor. It's going to show him in a better light than somebody that was financed it of his wife, you know, people that think he's guilty. you're going to get the narrative from whoever financed the project. And that's what both of them we're going to do. And I think at the end of the day, this kid would be wise to contemplate a plea deal.

I mean, in his mind and his family's mind, they can't imagine being without him for the next 10 or 15 years. And he can't imagine going to prison for 10 or 15 years. So in their mind, they're thinking, no, no, we have to go to trial and we'll go to trial and win. That's where you're making the mistake. going to trial and winning when honestly you are at some you're guilty of something like this is not this is not self-defense you're guilty of something you're guilty of something you need to try and get yourself in a position to accept the plea of the lowest charge with the lowest amount of time as opposed to thinking that you didn't do anything wrong it's a hard for people to accept that they did something wrong because you can justify it to yourself. Right. Oh, yeah. You can. And at least in that position, you can somewhat control the amount of

time you're going to be gone. And my lawyer told me the same thing. He said, look, they're probably going to offer you a plea deal. In my case, it was a little different because so much time had passed due to COVID. He said, you know, they'll probably offer you, you know, something pled down to time serve. That way it guarantees you don't go to prison, but you plead guilty. And, you know, they never did. they just ultimately dismissed it. But had they did that, it would have been something I'd have to think about. Because if I'd have said, fuck you, I'm standing on. I didn't do it.

And we go to trial, I'm never coming out. Or at least not a time soon. And so those are just things that, you know, most people would, would shit their pants to think about. But unfortunately, this is something this kid's got to put in perspective. And the sad thing about it is two lives have been ruined. Both of these kids seemingly were good kids, made good grades, stand out. athletes, you know, probably cat, I don't know for sure if they were captains, but probably captains of the football team, you know, and now both one's gone, you know, one's dead, he's never coming home. The other one's probably going to do some jail time. So his, his athletic career is over. Probably a lot of his life is going to be, you know, predetermined by this outcome. It's going to follow him everywhere he goes. So in all intents and purposes, his life is pretty fucked, you know, going forward. Unless he's able to spin it in some kind of. different narrative, which maybe he will.

It's sad because both lives are ruined because of this act where it was very much avoidable because you don't want to look like a bitch when the guy tells you to get out of our tent, but now you went and stabbed him in the heart. Yeah, but I don't want to do 10 or 15 years in prison either. Right. I'll definitely be, so you can call me a bitch or let me be out. Bitch me up like a motherfucker as opposed to having to face a fucking potential 30 year prison sentence if you go to trial.

And here's the thing, too, listen, like I know what you're saying, how you've kind of broken it down. And I've watched some videos on lawyers and, that Officer Tatum, Officer Tatum breaks it down. He was a former police officer. These guys break it down.

And I understand, but the person, the people that will really probably get a sense of what really happened and see all of the evidence is obviously the jury. Yeah. You know, and the jury's going to be, they're going to paint Carmelo as the prosecution will paint him as a monster. And the, sorry, and his defense team will paint him as being this poor kid that has been bullied and intimidated his whole life by these white kids. kids and these two white kids came up and they said this and they said that.

And if it's just his word and he takes the stand and he cries a lot, and it's his word against the brother's word. In the end, legally, I still think he gets a lot of fucking, I think they get him for murder as opposed to manslaughter and he's getting 25 or 30 years at least. If they try and do that, like I said, they try and do the whole black and white thing. like, God, I think that's going to be the biggest fucking mistake. Because I don't think they're going to give a fuck in Texas.

Yeah, that's the problem. And that's the only way they can't really. That's the only thing they can try to do is spend this whole narrative of a black and white thing. But you take everything that he's done, all the, all the opportunities that he had to retreat, the fact that he took the knife there to begin with, the fact that he went to the wrong tent whether he knew it or not. Because as soon as you go in there, you're going to recognize those team's fucking colors aren't yours. So you sure. Oh, shit.

tent. Let me get the fuck out of here. You know, you've got all sorts of opportunities to get out of this situation. And then you put that kid's brother on the stand and you have him detail that his twin brother, his best friend, somebody that he, when he looks in the mirror, he sees, died in his arms because this kid stabbed him after his big brother pushed him and told him to get out of the tent. It's not good, bro. Yeah. It's not good. Well, you know, The other thing is that press conference, it worries me that they're unwilling at this point, his family, him. So far, it appears to be that there's no acceptance of any responsibility at all on their part. It's completely my poor son, poor, poor us.

And it's like, wow, bro, like that's not going to go over well. in social media maybe, but when it comes down to a courtroom, vastly different. Like, you know, followers ain't shit to those 12 people on a jury. No, no.

You know, it makes me think about, um, it's kind of like, like, look, there's actual innocent and there's factual innocence. You know what I mean?

And O.J. Simpson was factually innocent. that man butchered those two people. You know, first Todd says different, pal. I know Chris, I get it. I hear you,

Chris. I want to believe you. Oh! No one does. But, but yeah, it's just, it's just,

um, I feel like Chris, this is a case. This is a case for Chris Todd. Chris Todd, I think, could jump in his vehicle right now, drive to Texas.

from L.A. where he lives in his basement. He could drive from his basement apartment to Texas. He could solve this whole thing over the weekend, write a book and put it out. I think within a month, we'll know way before what's happening. I'd be interested in the book part of it for sure. But it's not here or there. Matt, in your opinion, you've been through the legal system. You've, you know, been through this.

I didn't necessarily finish that process. it started, it stalled, and then it was dismissed. So what is he looking at before this thing goes to court? If he decides to forego any sort of plea deal, what is he looking at before this thing goes to trial? Two years from now, you think? I mean, it depends on if they try and do. I don't know if there is a fast track system in Texas.

I would say you could drag it out for a year to 18 months. Or maybe you could, I don't know, I don't know Texas. So they could drag it out two years, probably. You got to try to drag it out two years. And I find that kid's defense, I'm trying, I don't know the exact verbiage for it, but there's a motion you can make to a change of venue. I'm trying to get that fucking thing out of Texas, or at least out of that town. Because it's state, you're not getting it out of Texas.

You might get it out of town. You might get it out of. Yeah, yeah, you can't get out of city. Maybe, I mean, maybe it's worth getting that. Look, at this point it's so big, the odds of you getting it in front of 12 people that haven't heard about it. I'm in Tampa. You're in South, you're in, well, you're in South Carolina, but where in South Carolina? Charleston. You're in Charleston, South Carolina. I'm in Tampa, Florida. You called me up and mentioned it. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, I've been watching. I've been,

everybody knows about this at this point. Everybody. Yeah, the change of any of me. I mean, you might eliminate the risk of getting someone that's really connected to the victim. You might, you might, you might eliminate that. But still, you're probably not going to get away from people that know it. And that's the thing, too, like jury selection, like this thing is going to be split, divided 50-50. If his, if his defense team puts any white person alive as they're six, each of you get six, right?

Yeah. I think each gets six. No, no, no. I mean, you're, you're, it's not that, well, I mean, so you have so many that you can kick off. Right. You could challenge. It's really just that you're both basically picking the jury. Yeah.

But I thought the defense got six in the prosecution. You get like strikes. So let's say the jury, I can say, we have no problem with this jury, with this jury member. And the prosecution might come and say, strike. You only have so many strikes. They go, no, strike. We don't like them. Oh, I'm striking every white guy there is.

Well, I understand. But you get to a point. If you have six strikes, can't do any more. Right. Then guess what? I'm picking the jury. See what I'm saying?

Like if you strike the first, they line up six white guys in a row and the defense uses all their strikes. Then the prosecution's like, I'm picking a jury. Like, you know, they're getting the next six guys or the next 12, really, because you've got that's not the process work.

Now, they can argue. They can still have a conversation like, do you feel this? How do you feel about this? And the judge may say, I'm going to, I'm not okay. I'm not okay with this, with this jury. Why? Well, because this guy, or this juror, this guy works with, you know, with Austin's father.

Right. You see what I'm saying? Like, I'm sorry. Or this guy said he used to be a member of the KKK, but he's all better now. Like, I don't feel good about that. You see I'm saying? Yeah. And that's what they do.

They tried to drag both of the parents to the, but there was a report. that Austin's father was arrested for sexual assault or a minor, which that turned out to be false. There's reports about Carmelo's dad being having a criminal record. Look, who gives a shit? None of that has anything to do with this. Both of those kids' parents can be fucking convicted felons to the hill.

It doesn't have anything to do about what happened under that tent. Yeah. All that shit's just ridiculous. The social media stuff's bullshit. What's funny is, although you and I are talking about it, I feel like, like, if you and I sat here and just drilled down on Carmelo, right? Or we sat here and talked about what a horrific individual Austin was and this and used, came up with all this stuff.

This video gets half a million views. Right. But because we're being level headed, we'll be lucky to make 100,000. But at least it's, we've made a video that is neutral. It's just like this is the facts. This is the way based on our opinion. This is the facts. This is how it works out.

It's too bad that people will try this whole thing. But in the end, the people that are going to make the decision is going to be that jury. And even if, and even worse, the jury will make the decision. The judge will determine if he's, right, the sentence. Now, I knew a guy one time, by the way. I was locked up with. Oh, this guy has such a, such a. Such a horrific story.

So he owned a body shop. And he's Mexican and he lives in California. I want to say it's California or Texas. It might have been Texas. He lived in one of those states that borders Mexico. He's like, I'm Mexican. He's like, but I don't speak Spanish. You know, he owned a body shop.

He pulls up in his corvette one day. He's like, I pull up in my corvette. I pull up next to a truck with there's two or three Mexicans in it. It's like a, like a 7-Eleven. A convenience store. Anyway, pulls up. He said, I go in, I get something to eat, whatever. I come back out.

And he's with his girlfriend, by the way. And with my girlfriend, he said, I came out. And as he's getting into his car, one of the Mexicans says something in Spanish. And he's like, I'm, you know, they talk to him. He opens the doors, going to get in. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry. man, I don't, I don't speak Spanish. And the guy says something else.

He's like, you know, no oblo. And the guy was like, you know, oh, he had jumper cables. He's like, can you jump the car or whatever it was? They were trying to get him to help him. And he was like, oh, yeah, I don't, I can. I get, well, one of the, he starts to say, yeah, I can, let me pop the hood, you or whatever. And one of the guys starts mouthing off.

One of the Spanish guys, he's like, one of the. Mexicans. He's like, they were drunk. He's like, he said, one of them was clearly drunk. And he's like, oh, you don't speak Spanish. You think you're better than us. And you're driving. You're driving. You're fucking Corvette. You think you're better. You don't speak Spanish. You know, and he was like, he's like, mad. He's like, I really don't speak Spanish. It's like, I don't speak Spanish. So he said, I didn't speak Spanish. And so he, um, he ends up saying, basically going, And yeah, you know what, got good. Good luck, bro. Goes to get in his car. Where the guy comes is coming around gets in his face as he's trying to get in. And he said, the guy starts fighting him. Like they start fist fighting.

So I'm fist fighting. The other guys jump in is I'm trying to climb into my car to get away from them. He said, my girlfriend is screaming her head off. He said, I get into him holding on to my seat. and I remember my gun's under my seat. He said he reaches in. He pulls out, he pulls his gun out, turns around, boom, shoots one of the guys. He said the other guys, I think they kind of take off.

He stands up, the other guy is still there, struggle, kind of like grabbing for the gun. He said, I shoot him, he hits the ground, and he unloads it. Pop, pop, pop, pop, he unloads the entire clip into him. that's where you said he goes that's where I fucked up he said shooting him I had no problem they said you know you shooting him fine they said but when he hit the ground you unloaded your entire fucking clip in him now now he was arrested for for murder his whole thing was I was being attacked I this they were like yeah but you know you you you was way more than just deadly force like you executed this guy or he when he when he dropped backwards and hit the ground and everything you could you should have stopped he wasn't a threat and he anymore. You unload the clip. And he's like, keep in mind. He said, I was trained by a guy when I got my, like your concealed weapons permit. They were like, you unload your fucking clip to make sure these guys don't come back. This is what he's telling me. I don't know it's true or not. The horrible fucking instructor, I can tell you that, because when I took that course,

that's when I, that's why I said he fucked up because everybody always says that, oh, you, you unload the clip, you stop when it's empty. You do that. You're going to get fucked. Because what it is the legal terminology that they use is you you're in fear for your life there's an imminent threat once you shoot him and that guy he's the ground he's no longer a threat so when you come up and you unload him blah blah blah and put three more times at that point you're the aggressor you're the one that committed the murder so on the first two shots self-defense when he unloads the clip it's a it changes the ballgame what happened to him i'm curious he he he had money. At that time,

he had money. I don't know if he still had money. He must have still had money, because I'll tell you another part to it. His lawyer's got it now. Yeah, his lawyer does. So I remember he said they hired, they did three mock trials. He said, I lost two of them.

One of them was a draw. That's not good. No. He said, I still went to he said, I still went to to whatever it is. I still went to trial. He said because they were offering him, I forget what it was.

They were offered him 15, like 15 years or something. He didn't want to take it. And he's like, I didn't feel I did anything wrong. He goes to trial. They get on there. They do the whole thing. He loses. He loses and he gets sentenced.

And I want to say, I don't remember. the sentence. Let's say he got 30 years or 25 years. I don't know. Okay. I don't remember the sentence. Because he said, so my lawyer is like, so I got 30 years. I'm waiting to go to jail, to prison. I'm locked up. I'm now in custody because he was out. Right. You know, he was a, he had gotten bond. Now he's they take you. You know, that would you boom, boom, sentence, take him. Yeah. He said, my lawyer puts in a motion to whatever, you know, quash this evidence and get a new trial and whatever and he said um and he said the judge denied it he said he came back to me and he said yeah

we got the denial he said i'm talking to him through the glass right i'm in jail waiting to be moved to prison he said he said look i can file a whatever a johnson motion or whatever you call i don't know what it was and he's like all these things yeah you see the first motion was like fucking 45 pages denied he said second motion he said 25 pages denied. He said, comes back. He said, I can file this motion. He said, it was about 10 pages. Denied. He said, comes back and said, I can try and say that they did not prove that it was not premeditated, but it was something. Because it wasn't premeditated. It was something. That they didn't prove, they didn't prove their case. And he goes, it's a weak argument, bro. It's weak. And he said, and he goes, and he goes,

He said, fuck it, bro, just file it. And he goes, okay. He files it. He said, I'm talking about like six. He's just like fucking five pages, six pages. And that includes the front page. The one you find, this thing's like four pages of actual content, four and a half or something. It's not good.

He said, the judge said, okay, you're right. I don't think they prove their case beyond the shadow. I don't think it's, whatever it was. He said it was a weird. argument. Judge said, I absolutely agree. Absolutely. Boom. He said, they had 10 days to refile their case, the charges. And he said, so they, that my conviction, boom, gone. My sentence gone. He said, they had 10 days. They refile for it. Okay, we'll take them to trial again. He said, then they came to him and they said, look, we'll give you time.

served or something. I forget what it was. Maybe three years or five. It was extremely a minor, minor, whatever, right? Maybe six months. I don't know what it was. But it was so, he was like, oh, fuck yeah, signed it. He said, so I, I want to say it was some kind of time served, but he was a felon. He's now a felon. He's like 10 years. That's what it is. It's time served. You don't have that threat of going back to jail, but you're still guilty and you're a felon. Correct. Because keep in mind, too, they're going to present the exact same evidence that they've already presented. And he's already gotten this award. So there was less likelihood that he was going to be found.

He's like, because I was thinking, well, they already proved you. They already found you guilty once there. Just do it again. He goes, no, no, no, no. Because now I have this motion and they can only present the same thing is they don't have any new information. By the way, this I thought was funny too. His girlfriend had broken up with him. And I think he was engaged to a woman he had met while he was out on bond or

something, maybe he was married. I don't know. But she was with him the whole time he was locked up. Here's the interesting thing. He, oh shit, he, the girlfriend that he broke up with that was there, she testified for him. I was like, bro, you're, you're lucky. He's like, I know, I mean, we were in good, it just didn't work out. It's like, you know, it's like, I barely been dating. We've been dating a few months. And he said, this was traumatic. And, you know, she didn't sign up for that. But I love the fact that he said, when we broke up, she said, listen, no, or what happens, I will come and testify for you. He isn't she didn't.

She was like, I'm testifying the fucking next one. She's like, you didn't do anything. I don't I would, she's like, I was fucking terrified. So he takes the deal, he gets out. I want to say six or seven years later, his, somebody is selling drugs. Maybe he was selling drugs. I don't know what the issue was. But his, his body shop was raided.

They find nothing. There's nothing. Whatever. I don't know if it was because of him or if it was because of an employee. I don't know what it was. I want to say it was an employee. He said, I didn't have nothing to do with nothing. But they raided his place.

They find a gun. It's his gun. He gets five years. Because he's a felon in possession of a firearm. So he ends up getting like five years. He goes to, he had gone to another prison. in for a couple years and then he came to Coleman and that's when I met him in Coleman. I want to say his name was Eddie.

Anyway, here's what I always thought was very interesting about Eddie. By the time he got this charge, he's now got a daughter who's like five years old, four or five years old, still owns the body shop, married, goes to jail. When he goes to jail, he wrote something like he said, he wrote 50 letters because he goes, my wife is my lifeline to the outside. He's like, you know how it is. And I was like, right, right. He's like, I have no ability to be on the internet.

I can't really email back. I can't, you know, he's like, I know everybody she knows. She's really the only person I'm communicating with. I said, okay. He wrote like 50 letters to department stores throughout the United States. So at first I hit my area, nobody, then more areas, then other ways. Dillardes, Burdine, Sacks. He finally got a woman from,

here's what he was writing. I want to be able to send my wife presents. Without anybody knowing, and I'm in prison, I need help. There are 50 letters. Some woman at Sacks Fifth Avenue wrote him a letter back and said, you have to pay up front?

I will pick the presents, and I will wrap them and mail them and you know and you have to pay up front. And he was like, that's all, because he's like, that's all I want. I'll pay up front. Like, I'm not trying to. It's isn't a scam. I just don't want my wife to know. Like, I want these things to show up and she has no idea how they're getting there.

I want to say it was like three or four years he'd been doing this. And she, his wife was like she's getting stuff for her birthday, for Christmas, for, and, you know, the woman was, um, he's like, she's writing them letters. Hey, and she, oh, she sent him, she would send him,

um, like catalogs and hey, we just got this. Your wife might like this. He's like, it became almost a friendship. Yeah. Like she looked up my case.

She'd read about it. She had cut out articles and sent them. If you need anything else, let me know, like really a good person. And he said, you know, and of course I,

you know, I sent them, I was able to, because you can have, if you have an inmate, count you can have checks issued and mail places. Yeah. So this is a, this is a huge effort on his part.

But he did that and, uh, that's why, that's one of the reasons that he sticks out to me. Because his case was like, wow, bro, like you're in prison. He only took up a plea because he was so scared to go to trial. And he's like, listen, if the mock trials, he said, if I hadn't been found guilty, the mock trials kept telling him, kept, he said, I would have gone a trial again. Yeah. And so the only reason he was in prison was because he accepted the plea to, and he accepted the felony.

If he hadn't accepted the felony, the gun wouldn't have mattered. The gun wouldn't have mattered and he wouldn't have had to go to jail for five years or four years. I forget what they gave him, four years, five years. And, uh, yeah, there's, listen, there's like another part of his story that, is so heart-wrenching. I'm not going to tell you between him and his daughter because I really have to stop fucking getting emotional on these fucking podcasts and tearing up. And I can't even tell you this.

I can't even think about it without fucking getting fucking getting fucked up. That bad has something to do with him and his daughter. Just a horrible situation. I mean, she's a sweet girl and everything. It was just a realization on her part about him, having to visit him in prison. One day she realizes what's happening. Like she doesn't, you know, you're four or five, you don't really know. But years she's starting to figure out something's wrong, you know.

And then they get to that point where it's like, Daddy, come home. Once you come with us. You know, oh, fucking just. Oh, yeah, bro. And it's much worse. I'll tell you when I, I'll tell you when we get off. You're going to be fucked up. Yeah, it's got it's fucked up.

Dude, I can imagine because it come to a point to where I didn't know if I was going to, like my son, he's 16 now. And at the time, he was like eight. So he didn't really understand what was going on. But they're talking about it at school. Kids are talking about it. Hey, I heard you dad shot someone. And, you know, to him, he's like, he even said he's like, yeah, it was self-defense. So he's, I mean, he heard me say that.

And, you know, that's the narrative we're going with, you know. But I don't think he even understood the pressure and the, the, what was hanging in the balance at the time. And I think about that. Like when I was out on bond, literally within a month. I think I shared the story with you, but, you know, my daughter graduated, so I was able to go to her graduation. I couldn't do anything else. I had to come home after her. I couldn't go out to eat or nothing like that. He said, you can go to her graduation. You can come home. And so I'm going to there and I'm just like, I'm starting to cry because I'm thinking like, I'm seeing her graduate. Well, I'll be out when my son graduates. If this, you know, if this don't go my way. And that's one thing that we didn't really talk about with this case because if they give him a self-defense case, there's essentially could be two,

trials. There could be a self-defense case. And in that, it's flipped because in a normal trial, the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did what they said. But now, if he's claiming self-defense and they do an immunity hearing based on self-defense, it's a hearing like normal, but the burden of proof is flipped. And you can only do that one time. So you can say, hey, my client did this as self-defense, but all the proof is going to be on them to prove the narrative that he acted in self-defense. And if they come back and say, no, bro, you didn't do that, then it's trial. And he can't mount that defense at trial. Correct.

He can't use that. I mean, he can still use some of it, but obviously if it didn't work then, it ain't going to work with the other one. And you have the one shot. And that's what my lawyer told me. He's like, because we were preparing for that, for the immunity hearing. He was like, we have to make sure we have our shit together because he was like, we can't rush into this. We got to make, we were flying forensics experts in from New York. They were setting up lasers at the house.

Shit off CSI, Miami looked like. I mean, you know, blood swabs, this, that DNA, yada, yada, yet the whole nine yards. Shit you see on TV. And he's like, we have to have it. Ironclad full proof. He said, we have one shot. He said, if you do not win the self-defense hearing, he said, we can't. He said, we can still go to trial and prove that you didn't.

act you didn't murder the guy, but the self-defense claim is done. Also, the self-defense claim, if they can win it, it will protect his family from being sued by the Metcalf family because they're saying you were then your right to do what you did and the Metcalfs can't come back and sue them, which is why, like, OJ was found not guilty of the murder, but then the Goldman's come back and still sued him for $5 million. Yeah. Even if you come, if you beat in a. regular trial if they say if they go to regular trial got you know and they come back we find

him not guilty the metcalfs can still sue the anthony's in a civil in a civil suit so we could be looking at two trials one the first one would be the self-defense trial and if that goes bad and it doesn't go his way odds are the the other thing that won't go his way either but the thing is they're going to offer you that plea deal first before you do the immunity hearing. So if you deny that plea deal and you go with that immunity hearing and it doesn't go your way, it's not a long, yeah, much worse, because a long fucking year, year and a half. And listen to agony, that kid is going to go through five years. I was wondering what was going to be my outcome, which is a long time. But mine had different circumstances. It was COVID and it backed

the day of the courts and everything else. But that is the worst feeling. I feel for the kid. I feel for the other family too. But he's... No, for both families, absolutely. I mean, I think that the kid, I think, you know, I think Carmella fucked up. Like he, like, you know,

you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know what I'm saying? That's a real, piece of shit move. It was a stupid move. But I also take into consideration, you're a 17 year old boy. You know,

you know, it's, it's, it's, I think it's manslaughter. That's what I think it is. Yeah, I would agree with that. Probably get to, to manslaughter. The biggest thing that they're going to be able to argue is you're not locked in a fucking house.

You're not in a closed off room. You're not surrounded. You're at a school event at a field and a fucking tent. You had an ample opportunity to leave. Even when you first walked in and realized it was the wrong tent, you get to hell out. Look, if I'm with my high school and I know our biggest rivals are out there and somehow another out wander into their tent, I'm getting the hell out of there quick. I know what's good.

I know how that shit operates, you know? he had all the opportunity in the world to leave and that unfortunately is what they're going to say unfortunately that's what they're going to that's what they're going to hone in it that's their job and I think that's what's going to be his demise in this case it will get highly publicized it will cause a huge much worse racial divide than we already have people will pick sides people probably lose friends over this thing it would be a great divide and unfortunately at the end of the day he's probably still going to do some time and the other kids you know never going to come home again so yeah Yeah, I was going to say, the, you know, what the real problem is is that there, there's just, there is no good solution. No, there's not. Yeah, it was like, oh, this is what shit. There will never be a good solution because this, you know, Austin is not coming back. You know, like there's just no. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, or.

and his life will forever be defined by this. It's something, it will never leave him. You know, so like I said, in the end, it's just, no matter how much time he gets or doesn't get,

it's just never going to bring back the other kid. And it's just, it's just, a hundred years, that family's never going to heal from that. Oh, absolutely. You give him,

you give them 10 years or 100 years. Like, no matter what, it's just a shitty solution. Just because there's no good solution. Hey, you guys, if you like the video,

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