Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Inside the Life of a Mafia Hitman: Money, Violence & Betrayal

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

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I didn't lie to them. I just didn't tell them I killed him. My first bid went away for a murder in the state of Florida. There was a guy, George Keogh, who was a drug dealer in Florida. Friends of mine, they came down from New York on the run. They just robbed a big drug dealer in New York. So when they came down, they're like, Dom, we need money. Do you have any scores?

So I knew of this drug dealer. So I set them up to go rob them. They robbed a guy. They got away with it. Nobody got hurt. Right afterwards, the guy, George Keogh calls me up. I know you had something to do with it. I got robbed.

I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, I'm not admitting anything. I know it was you. I know it was you. It wasn't me going back and forth. So maybe about four months later, I happened to move. I didn't even realize it.

I moved in his complex. And I forgot that that's where he lived. In Florida? In Florida. In Florida. You moved from New York here. Yeah, I was living in Florida. I was in Pembroke Pines, Florida.

Then from there, I went to Pompano. Okay. When I went to Pompano, it was the same complex where this drug dealer lived. And I didn't even realize it. This is the guy we robbed four months prior. One night, In the house, I get a knock on the door. I look out at George.

I'm like, oh, shoot. Then it dawned on me. I'm like, I knew the complex looked familiar, but I just didn't put two and two together. I run upstairs. I get a gun. Go downstairs, open up the door, and I have the gun ready.

Like, what's up, George? And he's drunk, wasted. And I see he has a shirt open. He has two pistols. I'm like, George, listen. It's late. You know I live here. like let's just tabletop this till tomorrow get some sleep i'm not going anywhere and we'll discuss it he said

all right he leaves i go back upstairs next day i see him i said listen i didn't rob you i had nothing to do with it but let's do this you know i have connections in new york i know you have connections down here in florida for drugs we'll get drugs we'll bring them up there we'll flip them out and whatever you feel you're owed, we'll take that off the top. I said, that's fair. It's the best scenario. Yeah,

that's the best result you're going to get. So he tells me yes. Okay. In the interim, he came up with it. He's like, Hey, Dom, come all the way out west with me.

Somebody owes me money. And we're going to go in the house. He has brand new TVs he just bought. And you could keep the TVs. And I'm like, no, I'm not interested. Like,

it just made no. sense what he was saying. Maybe about a week passes by. He says, hey, Dom, why don't you and your wife come fishing with me? I'm going down to the Everglades. I'm like, nah, I'm not a fisher, George. No, come on, you like it. It's quiet. It's tranquil. No, I'm okay. Two weeks after that, my father's friends come down. Now, George comes with us. I go, I have to go with one of them to collect money from an insurance guy. So we drive there. Now, George doesn't know these are my father's friends. He just thinks they're guys I met. I go upstairs with one of the guys and my other father's friend was downstairs with George. Lo and behold, we come back. I drive them back to the motel.

George and I leave. We go to the house and we all meet up later that night for dinner. When I met up with them, the guy Ernie, one of the guy's names, he said, Dom, I need to talk to you. What's up? He said, when we were upstairs collecting the insurance money, my other father's friend, Vinnie, was downstairs with George. And George told Vinny, how well do you know Dominic? He says, I don't know him. I just met him. Well, would you be willing to kill him?

I'll give you $20,000. Jesus. You can't even make this up. Right. So Vinny says, absolutely, but I don't have a gun. He says, well, I have one army. So Vinny says, okay, here's what we're going to do. We're in the car. Dominic's driving.

I'm going to give you a signal. Pass me the gun. So I'm driving. George passes him the gun. Obviously, Vinny didn't shoot me. Right. But he used the excuse afterwards. He told George, no, I saw cops.

Just, you know, I was going to hit him there. I didn't BS them. So they tell me that. You know he's looking to kill you. I said, no, I had a feeling. Go through a whole scenario. After that, I told my wife, I said, listen, you have a headache.

You have a headache, I have to take you home. Vinnie and Ernie, they tell George, you want to come with us back to the motel. We're getting hookers. So he says, okay. I said, my ex-wife, She turns around. I have a headache.

I have to go. I have to go. So I leave. They're going to a hotel. The plan was Ernie, when George gets in the hotel, knock them out. Knock them out.

I'll come there and we'll dump them somewhere. I'll kill them. He says, all right. I go home, drop her off. I get the gun. I have a silencer. So I'm going up there in Pompano. It's called Sandy Shoes Motel.

How old are you? are you, by the way, at this point? 87, so I think 22. 22 years old. Super serious shit for a fucking 20-some-odd-year-old kid. Sorry. I'm sorry.

That's the streets. That's the streets. This is vastly different. Like, there's too many people in it, like this is vastly different than a couple of gangbamers shooting each other. This is super thought out. Like, yeah, this is a whole cat and mouse

kind of thing going on. Sorry. Go ahead. I didn't mean no. No, that's okay. So with that. I go back to the motel. Now I knock on the door.

For some reason, I said, let me put the silencer on the gun. I just had a sick feeling. I put the silencer on. Who opens up the door? It's George. So once he opened up the door, the chain was on,

he, oh, it's you, okay. He unlocks it, opens it. I pushed him back, and I put the gun up to him. And right away, Ernie grabs him. George always had two guns on him. Takes his two guns off. and he's sitting on the bed.

I have no money. I have no money. And I'm like, this is not about money, George. You wanted to kill me? No. What are you talking about? I would never.

Thought we were friends. Exactly. So, I mean, we went back and forth a little bit. All of a sudden, his last words were, now he's on the bed, on the edge of the bed. He's like, I have to pee. I have to pee. He gets up and runs for the door.

I just turn around and I hit him in the back of the head. But as he's running forward, as soon as the bullet hit the back of his head, he stopped and his whole body jerked backwards. So I probably hit a nerve or something. Came backwards, tumbled over. He's on the floor. Just blood's coming out. And that was it.

We put him up in the bed. We all go downstairs because now we're going to go get cleaning supplies and everything to clean up the room. I go back upstairs, put another one in his head to make sure he's dead. And then that was it. We went back. I thought you were going to say he was gone. He was gone, all right, but not in that sense.

Gone back. We came back, we cleaned up the room, took the body. We were on the third floor. So he was all wrapped up, down the steps with the body. That doesn't look suspicious at all. In the trunk of the car. It was about maybe 2.30, 3 in the morning. So it was pretty quiet.

Okay. So put them in the trunk of the car, drove out to Palm Beach County and went west. And I found a canal. We dumped them in the canal. They wound up finding them a month later. Oh. Yeah.

Shouldn't you go to the Everglades? Yeah. What's the Okachobee? The swamp of Okechobeeovi. They would have been gone. Yeah. alligators would have shoot him up. At this point, are you already like calloused and just like, hey, this is the life, this is what I have to do?

Or are you like, holy shit, I had to. Well, I knew what I had to do at that point. Like, there was no turning back. Like, you know, it's just, um, in my younger years being on the street selling drugs in New York. Like, it's either, I've seen people get robbed, killed. So it's like, you know, that was my first body. The first person I killed. And this guy is actively, like, he's not even, he's not even smooth about it.

Like, he's, it's, it's overly obvious he's trying to, he's going to have to kill. Yeah, no, he's, he's not, he's not given up on it. No, he wasn't giving up. He was adamant, but I gave him an out. Right. Like, George, let's work together. Like, okay. And he didn't even have proof that I robbed him.

Right. That's the best part of it all. Like, all right, would you get robbed? He's, well, they took half a kilo and $20,000 in cash. All right. So let's call it $50,000. First monies that come in on the profits will take it off the top. You keep it. And that's it. Till it accumulates the 50 and then we'll go 50-50 on everything else. And he was like, okay, so I gave him an out. He was just adamant he wanted me dead. And he was even willing to pay to have me kill. Like, are you kidding me?

It's just funny that he grabs that guy when in fact, you know, well, he obviously didn't have anybody of his own. No. No. And obviously he didn't have the heart to do it. Right. He wasn't built like that. So how do you get grabbed for that? They, the Broward County Sheriff's Office, they went asking around.

And they found in the hotel there was blood stains when they cleaned up the room. You know, when cleaning came in, there was towels missing sheets. And so right away they reported it. And then just so happened when Ernie and Vinny, we all had tasks to do. So I had my stuff to throw out. They had their stuff to throw out. When they never tied their bags. When the garbage pickup came, whatever dumpster they put it in, the bags, when the dumpsters went into the hopper of the garbage truck, it opened up and there was all bloody towels.

They called the cops. And there was a postcard, Sandy Shoes Motel, Vaca bottle, cigarette butts. I don't smoke cigarettes. So lo and behold, they asked at the Sandy Shoes Hotel. Yeah, there was a guy Dominic here because there was some phone messages. I didn't know we were going to kill this guy. Right. You know, that wasn't in the future.

It was like, okay, they're down here for a purpose, not to kill somebody in the hotel room. And so they actually came to me, the cops, and they brought me in for question. And I said, yeah, sure, come in. This is a month afterwards. This is before they found the body. Oh, no, I'm sorry. They did find the body at this point. You ever read a headline and think, wait, that's not what I read earlier, or hear a story that was covered two totally different ways and think,

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Here's where, I have to say I'm stupid. They show me a picture of a guy who actually looked like Bozo the clown. His name was probably Ernie. Is this Ernie? because they had the people who were at the hotel room. Staff said, I guess they showed them pictures of George, myself. They said, yes, they were here. Is that Ernie?

And I'm looking like, I don't know this guy. They locked me up for accessory to have to the fact. They said, that's Ernie. So I was covering it up. I'm getting bail. As I'm getting bail, they're not releasing me. So finally my lawyer comes up, They just charge you a first-degree murder.

At this point, all they, I'm the only one arrested. I make bail on it. $75,000 in the state of Florida, they give me bail. About maybe two weeks after that, Ernie gets arrested. I get a phone call. We had connections in New York. Ernie's rad. Recently, our company's softball team lost the big game by one run.

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Like, for instance, well, we know you went back up in the room and you shot him again. How would they know that? Right. So I called my father. Your friend's ratting on me. No, he's not. No, he's not. Long and short, he ratted.

The day of my sentence and now they offered me a plea deal from first-degree murder to manslaughter. You mean the day your trial? No, before my trial. They offered the plea deal. So we negotiated, dropped a gun charge, you never recovered a weapon. I'll take the seven years. So they did that. As I'm being sentenced, I get a letter.

My lawyer hands me a letter. It's from Ernie. Now, at this time, I don't know this. He tells me your lawyer didn't get you the plea deal. It was because of what I told them. Years later, come to find out. Ernie told them it was self-defense. Domina came in the room.

George pulled out a gun. As he's turning to sidestep, I shot him. And that was it. That was a lie, though. And so he did get me that plea deal saying it was self-defense, especially in the state of Florida. I never had a criminal record prior to that. I had arrest, but it was never convicted of anything.

So I took my plea. Now I come home from jail. did 17 months on seven years because all the good time they're giving you. Are you serious? That's a long time ago. They're kicking out anywhere from 120 to 190 days a month, good time off your sentence. Every month at that time. So I come home.

I'm out four months. DEA sets me up with a drug case. I was, it was Mike White. My co-defendant sold it to an agent. agent testified. I had one witness trial, the agent. That was it. My co-defendant gives them the drugs.

In turn, the agent gives them the money. He says, if I call you next week, I get two or three. It's only a half ounce that was transacted. Agent responded, said, I responded. We could work it out. That was it. They never seen me after that. As soon as I got out of the car, I told my co-defendant, he's a cop.

Don't deal with him. is a cop. My co-defendant for two months after that, kept on dealing with them, got his brother, got another guy involved. They never heard for me after that. That was it was done. Worst case scenario,

I'm guilty of that half ounce. That was it. I go to trial, one witness agent took the stand, two-hour trial with open and closing arguments. They find me guilty of the conspiracy, not guilty of the possession. I get 10 years.

And before the DEA, before they even arrested me when they came in, just work with us. We won't even arrest you. We won't charge you. We want the Genevice crime family. I'm like, I'm not a rat. But you're also not, you're not really like a maid guy at this.

No, no, I'm a street. Yeah. At that time, I didn't even think I was an associate because it was so, oh, the way I was with Ernie, it was like more a father figure. So I didn't even realize I was an associate. I just thought he was always protecting me, loved me, cared for me.

I was, and that's the way I looked at it. But I was always loyal to the streets. And what they did, it was just, I'm getting 10 years for that. Come to find out as I'm fighting the case because now I go for the appeal and all that. So can I ask you a question?

Sure. What year was this? This was, I was released, at the end of 90 from the murder. Right. The beginning of 91. Yeah, I was gonna say you're,

I was out four months. It was 86 when they changed the law and they got rid of parole and so you. In the state of Florida. No, I'm saying in the feds. So you got that you got, you have to do 85%. Yeah,

no, I got screwed with the feds. Yeah, I was dead. Yeah, you're doing eight and a half years, maybe some halfway house, maybe six months halfway.

You're doing at least eight years. You lose some game time? Oh, yes. You weren't a good enemy? Ah. So, I was having my fun, put it that way, with female correction offices. I was just, listen, I was young, all my 20s.

So you said you were about to tell me about appeals and? Oh, as I'm fighting the case, come to find out now I'm getting all the information digging into the case. My co-defendant who was on that case cooperated. They didn't use them at trial against me. So now I'm pulling up all the paperwork. I'm looking. He told the government, as soon as I got out of the car, I told him he's a cop.

Don't deal with him. That Dominic wasn't a supplier. It was Dominic's drugs. What happened was I picked up white and it was garbage. I knew. So I gave it to him. I said, if you could get rid of it, get rid of it. Just so happens.

He's selling it to an agent when the agent said, oh, this is great stuff. I love it. I listen, the guy's a cop. It's not good stuff. It's garbage. It was only 63% pure. So it was basically, it was garbage.

And so as I'm fighting the case, I'm looking, they never gave me that information. Right. So we go. So that's a exculpatory evidence. There's grounds for an appeal. Went back on the 2255. And the judge, they just denied it, you know, rubber stamped it. I was so mad.

Like, I'm like, wow. that's dirty if i they never even gave me that brady information for my trial right because if i have the trial now i call him as a witness here's a cooperator what's he going to say can't i didn't know the extent of a cooperation at that time so now i wound up uh doing 10 years for a crime i didn't commit um so what's going on with the the officers like how many how many what What are these, what do these, what do these women look like? Like, let's, you know, listen, you're incarcerated, so they're all, they all become very attractive. They're a, she's, she's, she's, she's a prison nine. Yeah, she's a prison time and a real world four.

No, there was some, listen, as you know, there are some hot women. Oh, yeah, I'll, I'll, there's, I actually have only seen, I've seen in almost 13 years, I saw two. I probably only saw 10 or 12 female officers the whole time. But I only saw two that I was like, like, I'd date her on the street. Like, she looked that good. They don't last long. Like, they tend to get moved around pretty quickly because the guys are messing with. And they'll fall for it. Like, the girls will, they, you know, I had, in the medium, there was a guy that was young, probably 25 years old, good looking kid.

The girl was probably 25 years old. But I'll never be, Officer Brown. She was super hot. And the kid, that guy's name was Benji. Benji was hilarious. And yeah, they started flirting and flirting. Next thing you know, like it's locked down. It's 11 o'clock.

And you could walk up to the window. And she's at the window of Benji's cell talking to him. And within a week, she's opening the door. And they're up there talking. or he's getting drunk and going into the office. I'd say she lasted a month. They just moved her. They just moved her to another.

You know, they'll move them a few times and kind of give them a talking to and move them around. Then eventually they'll just fire her. Like you're not getting it, sweetie. Right. And there was another one that there was a chick

they called a trailer park Barbie. She was straight, dirty foot. Cute, though, and she worked commissary. Mean is a fucking snake. Mean, yell at you, scream, talk to you like you were a dog. And it was just like, A buddy of mine

She was yelling at him They have the plastic And she's like He wanted to switch like He ordered you know Chocolate ice cream They didn't have it You know

And he's like oh can I switch it for Give me vanilla Give me what it She's like no it's not on the thing He's like no no come on just switch it I didn't know You said it's okay You didn't say it's outright

She's like no next No no And so she's like And she starts screaming And keep mind this place is packed Right right All these inmates there He goes

She's like screaming at him, he goes, and he goes, shh, it touches the clock. I thought she was going to, listen, we were roaring laughing. But anyway, there was it. So, yeah, there's some hot ones. Yeah, and at that time, we had colleges, teachers would come in from outside colleges. So now you had some pretty young girls coming.

None of that's happening anymore. No. No, no. No, well, the Zimmerman bill came out and stopped all that. stopped the weight program, the JCs. You know, it was, it was good. There was rehabilitation. There was programs now.

It's over. It's just, it's cattle. Cattle call. That's all it is. It's money for them now. So, so, okay. So you're, okay. So we're not going to get a specific story.

We had a story about a CEO and a inmate, just do $6 million on TikTok. So we're, oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Oh, nice. It was, oh, he had a whole, he had a whole thing. It was hilarious, too.

Yeah. But, so you get, so you get out. So you get out after, did you did 10 or nine? I did nine. I had a 10 year bid. Okay. So you got out at nine. Yeah.

Supervised release. Supervised release. Where did you get released? In Jersey. Actually, I was living in Rosenheim, New Jersey. That's by Violin. And here's where you're going to like, one of the correction officers I wound up marrying from Farrington, New Jersey.

Did she stay a correctional? No, she quit her job. And we got married while I was incarcerated, marriage by phone. California has their law. You could get married by phone. So while I was in segregation, we hooked up a three-way call. They married us by phone. and actually when I was in

schoolkill, Pennsylvania they approved her on my visiting list she came in to see me one time and then after that they took her off the list they took me from school kill I went to Cumberland Maryland and that was it but she stayed by me for four years

my last four years of my bid always home always like supportive really good I come home I get a halfway house in Philly Kentucky in Center City, Philly. They're six months, and I lasted maybe about a year with her. No, she was just extremely jealous, possessive, and I just couldn't take it anymore.

And that was it. It was done. I was back to New York. Was there a reason for her to be jealous and possessive? No, I was home every night. I was working in the union, Tile, Marble, and Tarasso. I was home. I was basically situated.

I'm in Rosenheim, New Jersey. like there's nothing out there. Okay. So once in a while I go into New York, I see Bruno, Anthony N Delicado, who was part of the Bonano Crime families. Yeah, those names don't sound like their mouth up at all. No, not at all.

Well, his father was Sonny Red in the movie Donnie Brosko, the three capos that got killed. Yeah. That was his father. And at the end, where Joe Postone's supposed to kill Bruno on the boat, that's Bruno. Okay.

So I was close to him. Vinnie Gorgeous was his partner. He was out of the Bronx and I was close with Vinny as well. And it's just, it wasn't a good recipe with her and I. She was just too, too jealous. I mean, if I would say something to her sister, hey, sweetie, she'd be like, don't ever say that to my sister.

That's disrespectful. We mean disrespectful. Right. Like she didn't like, it was just, it wasn't, wasn't good. I know how they can, I know how. It wasn't good. It wasn't good. Yeah, they get nuts sometime.

Yeah. So. So that didn't work out. So, but now what are you doing? You're on supervised release. You're laying marble and. Yeah, I'm working in a local seven for the first year. And then after that, I went to New York.

I opened up a tile company. Vinny got me into the Hunts Point Meat Market. They were refurbishing it, rebuilding it. So I had that tile. job. And then from there, I just, uh, construction. I started, you know, rising, uh, financially, uh, within that four year period. I completed my supervised release. And, um, that was it. That was good to go. Became a member of organized crime in that time. I, I, during the four years. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. So one, when I came, put it this way, uh, from the halfway house,

around December of 1999, I was released. I was done with the halfway house. So from there, Vinny had an altercation in February of 2000, where a guy wanted to kidnap his son. Just past the comment, I want to kidnap his son. So Vinny calls for me. I sneak into New York, of course, my probation. officer doesn't know this long and sure of it all we wind up killing the guy in February

15th actually he was supposed to get killed on Valentine's day February 14th I have I told my wife I have to go to New York but I'll make up Valentine's Day to you the next day we're looking for the guy we can't find him on Valentine's Day so we go back then he said I'll get a line on him when I do, I'll page you, just come. Okay. So now I'm getting ready to go out to take her out the next day. I get the page. So I know what it is.

I have to go to New York. I'm like, I'm sorry. I have to go to New York again. So I know she's fuming. I go out there and we wanted to find him the guy that night. And we killed him, left him in the street. So can I ask a question? Sure.

He didn't kidnap his son. No. He just, he said it. Yeah, what happened was my father was a drug addict. This guy was a drug addict. They all would stay together. They're doing drugs one night. They're all party and they're outside.

Vinny's son passes by in a car. So the guy passes a comment. Imagine if we kidnapped him how much money we could get. He had no intentions of kidnapping him. Right. But Vinny felt if somebody makes that statement, I'm going to make a statement. I'm going to kill him.

Because the next person that even thinks about it will think twice. Yeah, yeah. You don't know who's going to take it too far. Exactly. And the neighborhoods, everybody speaks. Everybody knows what's going on. So we set out to kill them.

We set up a hit team. And Vinny and I jumped out of the car. We started blasting him. And that was it. Left them in the street. And everybody went there separate ways. But that was I was only out two months. I'm killing somebody for the family.

Right. That's how loyal I was. So, I mean, does that get investigated? Or is this just some guy, some random guy got shot and it just falls? It was investigated, but they had, it was, from where I knew, there was no witnesses. It happened. It was dark out at night by the service road of the highway in Frog's Neck. So it was a quiet area.

The guy went out to walk his dog and we left him there in the street. So you're still running your kind of construction company. But what else are you doing to make money? Well, at that time, I'm working in Local 7. I'm living in Jersey at that time. Local 7 is what a tile, marble and Tarasso Union. Union. Union that is Jersey.

Sorry about that. Yeah, it's Florida. Yeah. No, it's a union. So I was in the union when I was out in Jersey. And by this time, I was living out there. I was staying out there. So periodically I would come into New York to see them.

But it was just, you know, when you called for, you part of it. That's what the life is about. It's about loyalty. So what else are you doing for money other than just work? I mean, that was it. That was it. I wasn't doing anything else when I actually finally, maybe about six months, seven months later, that's when I broke up with my wife. I left Jersey and I had probation transferred me to New York. When I got into New York, now I'm staying with Vinny every day,

bouncing around with him, driving him. I opened up a tile company, union, got the union job at the Hunts Point Meat Market. So that was my first job. I'm making it. money. Then from there, my grandmother, I borrowed 200 and something thousand from her, took a mortgage out on her house. And with that, I bought property, started building, and that's it, took off. Took off, started making money in the street, selling that. What does that mean? Pills. I love these, you know. No, with X, Vinny had, we had Canada, Vito, Rezudo.

who was the boss in Canada. They were actually part of the Bonano Crime family. So they would bring down trees. They would bring down X. And Vinny couldn't sell the X. So I had connections. I was younger. So, you know, we wound up selling them to the Albanians.

They were taking them and they were pushing them out. So that started to be an earn for me. And then everything else was mainly legit. We got into some sports book, taking bets. We had people doing the bets. We would just back it financially. I was making money there and just elevated. Then I got proposed to become a maid member in organized crime.

Got straightened out, went to an induction ceremony. What is straightened out? Straightened out means becoming a maid member. Okay. When, you know, they say get your finger prick. Yeah. the saint burnt in your hand and the guns on the table and all that theatrics and it's just the crock of bull at the end of the day i mean is that that that all that's true though yeah no well

that's true everybody's around the table we join hands in secrecy um uh for the bonano crime family they go through a whole spiel but at the end of the day there's no loyalty it's just it's a joke it's a joke So you did who? So you know Michael Frenzis? Yes. Have you been on his show? No, not yet. Okay.

So we're, are you going to be on a show? Yeah, we, we are talking. He said he's going to put me on to talk about my crypto. So you know what soft wide underbelly is? Yes. I've heard of him. So he had done soft white underbelly.

That was the first time I was in the halfway house and he had just done soft wide underbelly. Maybe had he about the same. time. Around that same time. But yeah, that's how I first heard of him. And I'll never forget, and this is why it's important, is that there was one of a, it was, I, one of the few times I started, like, reading the comments.

And this woman said, this man looks like he smells like, um, vintage leather, um, coniac and, um, uh, it was, the way she put it, like, it's, it's, it was, it was, it was, it was, just great. She had this whole little thing like, you know, like he was a, you know, like an aged wine or something. She had this whole thing. And I mean, I just started laughing. I was like, that was a great, like that would be at his age for a woman to have said the way he looked in that the word of description. It was great. Oh, Michael's a great guy. I, you know, I spoke to him. We met in person. He's very, very humble and really good, good guy. He's one of the good ones in the life. Right. What was what family was he? He was with the Colombo crime family. He was a captain

made a ton of money. Yeah, yeah, the gas tax. Oh, it's gas tax. Yeah, they were skimming pennies off those pennies up to hundreds of millions. Yeah. So all right, so you were at this point, you were made. What is what does that mean? I mean, I know what it means because I've seen some mob movies. Um, so I know everything. I'm an expert. I watch two videos now. So what does that mean? Does that mean like you have people like underneath you? Because I've seen the FPI charts. Yes. Well, first you're an associate.

And then from an associate, you become straightened out if you're proposed to the life. And once you are made some like you're supposed to be above everybody else where somebody puts their hands on you. If they know you're a made guy, they could get killed. like you're supposed to be untouchable, basically. It's just, and then you have associates. You have guys. That means you could speak for yourself to another maid guy, where if you come in as a civilian,

because you're an associate, you can't speak to a maid guy. Right. Unless they tell you. Now, if you have a relationship with a maid guy, it's a different story, but you can't just go up to say, Joe Blow, hey, can I speak to you?

Like, who are you? Like, if you don't know him, you can't. Right. Unless you're made. So they make it seem like it's very prestigious. It's an honor. This day and age, it's a disgrace. And here's the way I look at it. Nowadays, you have a lot of rats. Okay? Myself, I cooperated. No secret. There's about a dozen guys who cooperated put guys away for life in prison. died who they put away they're in New York they're in the construction business they're making money with guys who didn't rat wise guys and they're allowing it because the rats are given them money right so where is the honor I would rather do what I did than do what's going on now like if I didn't cooperate and you cooperated and I let you back in the city because you're giving me money like

it's just the life is over with that I look at it you have some serious guys still out there without question like the jenevese crime family right now that's the most elite crime family they're underground they don't see anybody um they do have a few members who I just did a show on a Michael hippie who was using H in prison while he was straightened out he was a soldier in the Genevese crime family, and that's a no-no. But these are the up-and-coming guys, the future of Cozinostra. And I look at it like, if he's the future of it, you're definitely like doomed. All right. What's a soldier? So how's a soldier is a soldier? A soldier is a guy, no, a soldier is a guy who's straightened out, a mate guy. It's another terminology. Okay. You have a soldier, you have a capo,

captain you have the underboss the conciliary who which would like sammy the bull was sammy was the underboss okay uh concierie is more like an attorney it's a peacemaker in the family it's somebody who who has knowledge wisdom you know an old it should be an older person it was um in a godfather it was uh tom egan yeah yeah right right and he was an attorney um because he couldn't be made in it because he was he was adopted he wasn't correct 100% Italian. And actually, you, the godfather, that would never happen in real life because he's not Italian. And you have to be a maid member to be a consulari of a family.

It's just somebody. Yeah, it's the movies. It's a movie. They glamorized the mafia, too, in the movies. This is a great movie. It was. One and two were the best, the godfather. Three, it gets like Michael all of a sudden.

He doesn't. I just, they destroyed it. They destroyed that movie. Three was horrible. I think, my opinion. So, okay, so you were made. You've got guys underneath you now. When you're made, really, you answer to a captain.

Right. Vinny was my captain. Like, what are you guys? What are you doing? And you kind of explained it like I'm doing there. I've got a regular business. It's legit. We're also doing, we had, you said we have a number or a numbers racket, numbers?

Sports. We've got sports bed. We've got sports bed. I'm assuming none of that's legal, the sports betting and stuff. Okay. So you're doing all, you're doing other stuff to make, to generate money. Like how long does that last? And how old are you at this point?

You got to be in your 30s. Yeah, no, I'm in my 30s. I'm with Vinny. No, we had a massive operation. What happened with the sports betting book, actually there was a kid around Vinny. His name was Lenny. We called him Casper. I know his last name wasn't Casper.

I think he wound up testifying again. Vinny Bashiano. But this kid, you look at him, college preppy kid. When he was in college, he started a sports book. Throughout the years, it grew and grew and grew. He had maybe about 125 clients. Then he had one client that would bet anywhere from $5 to $7 million, a weekend, a weekend on football. Now, he's not winning seven.

He's not winning $5 million. But I think the most he ever won was maybe $700,000 one weekend. The most he lost was maybe $2 million, $2.5 million. Always paid. This is a kid. This kid wasn't in college anymore. No, no, the kid wasn't in college. But the kid came to us.

He was around Vinny. And we became partners with him. So we teamed up with two more guys in the Bonano Crime family. Jerry Asaro. whose father was Vinnie O'Saro. They had him with the Lutonza Heist. Jerry O'Saro is a captain, and his acting captain was a guy,

Jack Bonaventoro, who had a towing company auto body repair shop. So we partner up with them, and they had the offices in Costa Rica. So we would take that action every weekend. And Vinny was a degenerate gambler. He's betting on the football games. I'm like, oh, geez, like, why?

And I'm not, I don't bet. I don't bet. Once in a while I might bet, but most part I don't bet. And I would be like, oh, my God. No, Dom, we're going to do good. We're going to do good. We're supposed to be collecting $500,000. Some weeks, we're like losing $100,000 because of all his bets.

He's betting. So that was a nightmare in itself. But we made a lot of money with that as well. You know, sports, the book he's always make at the end. of the day. Where was they go? Oh, so with this guy Lenny. You see,

now they have the QR codes. Yeah. He brought that to me back in the early 90s with the phone with a group of guys. Look at this. And they developed where they could scan the regular grocery barcodes,

but the product would pop up on the phone. And I looked at it, nah, I didn't believe in that. Like, I didn't. have the vision for them like these son of a guns they got away with it and who knows i don't know where they ever took it if they took it anywhere but we had also it was called sexy chat dot com okay they were girls we had the office on york street it was in a building a whole floor and they had

cubicles each girl would be in a cubicle like an apartment a bedroom and they would get their things off and they would have their clients come on and watch. That was another thing we had an interest in. Cam girls. Yeah. Camgirls, right? That's what they call cam girls. But once I cooperated, all that went out, you know.

But you look now, sexychat.com. It's loaded. Like, wow. These are things we were involved in. But I primarily made my money. I had a real estate office. We would do mortgages, titles, insurance. So I made money there.

I had a bar lounge, made money there. I had an auto repair shop, which about 40 cars my shop could hold. We would fix the cars, tow them, construction companies. So I was doing well. Are all these, like to me, I think of auto bodies. And I think there's like a huge opportunity for graft, you know, for a huge opportunity. You know, for a huge opportunity to get stolen cars, use the parts. Like there's a huge opportunity to take stolen cars and parts of stolen cars and use them and, you know, refurbish.

Yeah, the chop shop. But I didn't do that. I stayed away from that. We would get aftermarket parts, which, you know, say for a Mercedes, a hood might cost you for $5,000 after markets, $1,800. Right. So, you know, we do things like that instead of putting, you know, the legitimate. Yeah, the Mercedes one on. Yeah, we get the aftermarket and nobody could tell the difference, really.

But very lucrative business. We had chaser trucks. So what that is in the Bronx, if there's an accident, my tow truck drivers would have scanners. So they hear right away, as soon an accident, they have to report to the police and the paramedics to come. So we would have the scanner. So they would hear there's an accident five miles away. They would race to the accident. And who's ever there first gets the pickup, the hookup.

Right. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, we call them chaser trucks. I had four of them on the road. And then you get independent guys. So for my guys, they would get maybe 20% of the accident. So whatever the court, whatever the bill is, with independent guys, you'd give them sometimes.

35 to 40%, whatever they bring into you. So now, if they had an accident that was 20,000 damage, you know, it adds up real quick. Right. The profitability is through the roof with accidents. So how much money are you bringing in? Like, what kind of... In four years that, and I was home five years this time, that time. The first year I was in Jersey. I was trapped in that marriage. But the four years I was in New York, I amassed net wealth anywhere from $8 to $10 million I made. And 90% of it was through legitimate business. When I went away to jail for the crime families, my boss, Joe Massino, he was dubbed the last Don. He was one of the old school bosses, John Gatti era, Vincent de Chin, gigante era.

He wound up wearing a wire on the acting boss Vinnie Gorgeous, who was my mentor. and they were talking about me killing people and they locked me up when I got locked up the crime family took everything everything sold the ball lounge the body shop ran to the ground there was a million and a half debt in the red it's just they basically me well so what happened how does that process how does that start that investigation they just had him wired and he I mean, like, what was the investigation into him that called him to cooperate and get wired up and... Well, Joe Messino had a trial. He was fighting his case. He had seven murders, homicides. Everybody, in the Bonano crime family, we did not have a cooperator until the early 2000s.

Never in history. Before that, there was never a maid member, a guy who was straightened out, who was in the mafia, cooperated. operated, ratted. We didn't have one. We were the only crime family. In 2000, I think it was 2002, 2003, our first one. And it brought down the boss, Joe Messino. His brother-in-law ratted on him. He was the underboss. There was all captains, maybe six, seven captains. They all told. We had maybe about a dozen all at once. So Joe Massino was locked up, facing seven homicides and he was going to trial. What Joe Massino did, which was disgusting, played everybody, government included. Joe Massino sends word out to Vinnie Gorgeous, who is the acting boss for the crime family.

Hey, now Joe Massino's prosecutor was Greg Andres. sends word out, hey, this Greg is being very disrespectful to me. He eats at this restaurant every Thursday night. I can't take it anymore. So Vinny comes up to me, Dom, I just got word. I think we're going to have to kill the prosecutor. So I'm like, okay, what am I going to do? Our boss is sending word out.

Okay. So I told Vinny, I said, do you want me to do it? He says, no, you and I will do it. We'll go in in the restaurant. We'll leave them there. And who's going to be part of it? He said, Bruno, who's Anthony Indelicado, another guy, A, sent the Donato. We're setting up the hit team.

But let me confirm it. I'm going to send word in through a different way because messages are coming in and out through lawyers, investigators. So because he's what, he's, he didn't get bond. No, Joe Messino's in jail. Okay. He's getting ready to fight his case. Federal, yes.

in MD, I think, MDC, yeah, MDC, Brooklyn, New York, the holding facility. A federal prosecutor. Yeah, you know. That is super serious. So Vinny sends word in through a different way, not through the way he got the message,

through another way. So what Vinny said, hey, ask Joe, the message he sent out? Does he want me to move on it? Joe never responds. So after two weeks goes by, then he said, I said, what's going on?

He says, I don't know. He didn't respond. He's probably thinking about it. But if he, be ready. If he sends the message, we're going to have to move quick and take him out. Okay. Now we'll fast forward.

Joe never responded to that. Joe goes to trial and blows trial. The day he lost trial, when the jury came back and said, guilty on all murder. He's facing life in prison without a doubt. He told the lawyer, tell the judge and the prosecutor,

I want to speak to them. As he's being walked out of the courtroom, they accommodate him. Greg Andres is sitting back there. Joe says, I want to cooperate. Greg looks at him, tells him, who are you going to tell on? We already have everybody.

All the years of crimes, your brother-in-law was the underboss told us everything. You and him were like together for 40 years. Right. Like you can't tell him. Well, what if I tell you there's a hit on the prosecutor? They have him take two lie detector tests. He failed them both.

I know this because I was fighting the case. So what Joe did, now the prosecutors, they can't take a chance. When you look at it, like, okay, maybe he was nervous or I'm not going to risk my life. Right. Go forbid. So what they do is they indict Vinny Bashiano. They get him locked up. Now, I don't know if they, yeah, Joe is cooperating.

They accepted Joe as cooperating. So now they arrest Vinny on a murder. I'm still on the street. When Vinny gets arrested, they have Vinny and Joe on the same indictment. But Joe's not known as CI number one. it's Vinny and Joe Massino. They have co-defendant meetings together, but he's cooperating.

Vinny doesn't know this. Now they, for some reason, they put Joe Massino, or Joe Massino is in segregation. They put Vinny in segregation. So now they're both in the shoe. They have a separation order on them. They wired now prior to that,

they had a court hearing. When they were in the bullpen, here's the way I know it went down because I know all the players. They're in the bullpen And Joe said to Vinny Hey Are you out of your mind

With that prosecutor You're going to take out the prosecutor And Vinny I know responded Bo Of course Wasn't that what you sent me the word? No Then this is Joe, them talking

Joe's not wired up or anything This is prior So Joe said, are you out of your mind, like to take out of federal prosecutor? That's why I thought, Bo, you know, okay, okay, let's it go. Now they're in segregated. Now, that was during their transport going to court hearing. Now maybe a week goes by. They're both in segregation.

Joe tells them what happened. They wired Joe Messino up. He's wearing a wire now. They both go out to the wreck deck. It's on the rooftop deck. They're in, okay, even though you have a separate tea order, they could bring you out there, but you're in separate cages. Right. So the cages are separated, but you have access like this.

We're together. So Joe turns around. Now he knows he has Vinny. Vinny, I was thinking, that thing you told me with the prosecutor, were you really, like, I can't believe you were going to do that? Bo, Bo. let's not talk about it. Like, okay, yeah, you're right. He just baited Vinny.

Right. Now, what happened was a guy, Randy Posolo, got killed. He was around us, the Bonano Crime family. So Joe says, Vinny, who took this kid out? Now, Vinny's locked up, but Vinny left orders with me. Kill him. So while he's locked up, but I'm loyal. I kill him.

So Vinny says Dominic did it. Then he goes into, hey, that thing with Quiet Dom, the boss of Genevieve's crime family, they accused all the newspapers that I killed him. Do we have anything to do with it? Vinny says, no, no, we had nothing to do with it. So with that, now Joe's got his information, he's on tape. Now the government, they're worried with the prosecutor. because now they're built Joe baited him perfectly made it seem like Vinnie it was Vinnie's idea and everything right

now they're looking for me because now they know I took out this guy Randy oh shoot now they're gonna now he's going to kill the prosecutor they came in like gangbusters finally when they caught up with me it might have been a few weeks because I was all over the place I wasn't staying home they arrest me they lock me up under the Sam's Act do you know what the Sam's Act is no terrorist okay no communication, no phone, no visits, nothing, nothing. All I could do is write

letters and it goes through the federal prosecutors. Finally, after four months, they lift the Sam's order off of me because they're worried about the prosecutor. Now I'm fighting the case throughout that year. Vinny turns around and tells me

in the interim, I'm a captain in the crime family, Michael Mancuso, who now is the official boss of the crime family at that time, he's the acting boss. He takes all my guys and breaks up my entire crew. I'm like, Vinny, why would he do that? I'm not found guilty yet. That's my support level out there.

That's why I have an acting captain. And that's my income. Bo, I don't know. I don't know. He's just playing games with me. At the end of the day, he tells me, Now, the government had nothing on me, me. They had no wiretaps, no tapes.

They have a jailhouse conversation. And Vinny, when this kid, Randy got killed that I'm charged with that murder, Vinny's locked up in jail. I'm at a basketball game. I'm on TV that night. And then what I did, the way I orchestrated that hit. I told Randy, do me a favor. Tell your wife, it's going to be a late night. I'll meet you in the city after the basketball game, and we'll hang out.

We're going out. So he said, he's like, all right, just make sure your wife knows that. So my thing was with the government, okay, you say, because I know what they're going to say. I made it, I had an airtight alibi. I'm at the game, and I had him hit. Then why would I tell him to, and I call Randy's wife to the stand? Who was he supposed to meet? Dominic.

Here, the government's saying, I had an alibi. Why would I throw myself back in the mix? I had no clue it happened. until and that would have been my that's the way I orchestrated it right in that street life you have to be like 10 20 steps ahead so my lawyer Jeffrey Littman one of the top defense lawyers up there criminal lawyers turned around and said Vinnie they have nothing on Dominic he's not taking the witness stand on your behalf oh yes he is no he's not we're war he's going to beat the case Vinnie had me fired Jeffrey Lippman, so I fired him.

And he has me, you're going to take the witness stand because you'll come off as credible, and we can beat the case. Here's two things. If we win, nobody will ever sit down with me again because they'll consider me a rat, because we're not supposed to admit Cozanostra. And here I'm talking about I'm a captain, Michael's the acting boss. It's not illegal. it's not a crime to be a captain or a boss. Right. As long as there's no illegal activities, now I could show all my legal businesses.

I pay my taxes, this, that, and the other thing. Nobody will sit with me. They'll consider me a rat. Now if we blow case to trial, everybody in the prison system is going to look at me. He's a rat. He's a rat. He broke our oath.

There's no upside for you. There's no upside. So finally I said, you know what? Other than helping out Vinny. I'm done. Right. I'm done with all the money they robbed from me, leaving me broke. I'm done.

I'm out of life. We broke the straw to the camel's back. The Christmas before I got locked up from my guys, I collected, I think it was $370,000 for Christmas. The Christmas I'm locked up, Michael sends me $3,500. I'm like, you know what? I see the handwriting on the wall. I'm out. Told the lawyer, do me a favor.

Call the prosecutor. Tell him I'm coming in. Well, when I came in, first thing, Greg Andre said, I don't care what they say, told the other prosecutors, I'm asking him, you were going to kill me? Yes. Yes.

Why did Vinny want me dead? Wasn't Vinny. It was Joe Messino. He looked. What would you say? I said, Joe Massino sent word, sent an innuendo. Wasn't Vinnie. Vinny had no, Vinny didn't want you dead. It was Joe. Joe initiated that.

This man turned beat red. And he knew Joe played everybody. What could he do at this point? Right. Joe Massino failed the two lie detected tests. Now I come in. Joe Massino probably had no clue that Vinny told me about this. And especially now I'm cooperating. No, Joe Massino lied about that. No, he orchestrated it. So, I mean, Greg was just livid, livid. But Joe Messino played it, right? And, you know, the last Don became the biggest rat in history, mafia history. Did he get anything for like?

Yeah, he got, he, after he was sentenced to life, he wound up getting, he did 11 years. They let him out, 11 or 12 years, the judge freedom. released him and he wound up dying last year it was in all the papers he was living in some old age home in uh new york somewhere but uh wherever they put him he you know we had what 10 years out 12 years on the street and he wound up dying what did you end up getting the judge sentenced me to 10 years in 10 years with your cooperation with my cooperation

I was facing two life sentences I was facing. At first I had the death penalty, they took that off the table, and then two life sentences. Judge gave me 10 years. Everybody thought I was going to walk out. I had 10 years you do eight and a half. I had about six and a half in already, so everybody thought I was going to walk out.

But the only reason why they said the marshals, everybody is the fact I didn't take the witness, protection program. If I was taking the program, more than likely I would have got time served. But the judge felt, you know, no. They wanted me. Prosecutors, marshals, they wanted me to take phase two of the witness protection program. And I just couldn't be away from my daughter, my kids, my mother. When you say phase two, what's phase one? Well, phase one, when you're in the federal system, they have about five to seven different institutions. that are WITSAC.

WITSAC means witness protection program. It's within the BOP. So they house you where there's all witness protection people. Right. It's not a dropout yard. It's you have to go through the marshals. You have to take a lie detector test. They do a thorough scanning that you're not going to go in there and harm anybody.

So you go into that. And then phase two is where they give you a new identity and, you know, they put you in. Arizona Right Next to Sammy the ball So So you did another Two two and a half years

Two and a half years I was released from Otisville, New York Where they had the They have a program Up there Witness Protection Program In the system

They have a unit there And then I came down to Orlando, Florida And you know what it felt like, Matt If you could remember back when you're first day going to kindergarten and five years old. You're scared.

You don't know anybody. But you acclimate quick because you're young and there's kids there your own age. Pitcher, I think it was 44, 45. Being dropped off in Orlando, 25,000 check from the government. Have a nice day.

Not knowing anybody. Right. That's scary. That's scary. And it wasn't like I was a carpenter. Like, I had construction companies, but I hired people to do the work. Yeah. I had auto repair shops.

I hired people to do the work. So I had no vocational tech training, no education. You know, I had a GED, some college courses, but that was it. So getting back on my feet and here's where I'll go back. There's a guy, his name is Jehuda Capulun. President Trump just Jewish fellow. fellow. I go back with him many, many years. And I was always respectful, always, you know, dare for everybody. Never took advantage. He was a friend. And Yehuda is a type of guy who believes in people.

When I mentioned I was going to cooperate, I had asked him, he said, Dom, just do it, get out of life. It's not for you. And I'm very close with his family. He was just appointed as ambassador of anti-Semitic. Semetic. Right. You got me? Yes. I'm getting tongue-tied now.

But, and that's a prestigious position. And he told me, he's like, Dom, I've always believed in you. I'm proud of you, how you prospered. And when I came home, he had a job, $200 million construction job. Right. He's like, Dom, I have a job for you in Miami. I'm not interested. It's construction.

at 700 homes. I'm not interested. Dom, it's 200 million. I'll be down there tomorrow. So for two years, I was traveling back and forth. My probation wouldn't let me stay down there. I had to text them in the morning when I left Orlando and text them at night when I came home. So that's anywhere from seven to seven plus hours of driving. I did that four, sometimes five days a week.

and massive job. And that's what I did. And he believed in me. I just, you know, I had a thousand hours community service. I did it through the Jewish community. I assisted with synagogues and wherever they needed help, certain rabbis. And, you know, like he said, Dom, I believe in people. I believe in the good.

I saw good in you. And that's why I believed in you. And, you know, because of him, it helped me elevate that much quicker back into society, back financially where I could buy properties. And that's what I did. I started buying properties around my area with all the money I was making off the job. And from there, there was no stopping me. Again, getting back on my feet.

But it was scary coming out, not knowing. How many years ago was that? That was 2013. I came home. This is the first time in my adult life. I'm out this long in the street. I don't even have a parking ticket. Like I had just been by the law. Whenever I do something in my life, it's always 100%, thousand percent. And I felt if I'm turning my life around, I'm going to do it. I'm not going to be a knucklehead where I'm going to just keep on messing up, going back in. Even my own family members turned around and said, pass comments. He hasn't changed. He'll be back in. And that's when I first came home in 2013. Give him a few years.

He'll be back in. And I'd look at them like, wow. What garbage you are to say that. And these are first cousins turning around saying, passing comments like that. It's, you know, it's just. It's always somebody who's not doing as well as you're doing. It's like they want you to fail. But I wasn't doing well.

I just came home. It's like, wow. like you're that hateful like how this it's still jealousy they people are jealous they probably thought he will do well so to make myself feel better I'll say ah he'll be back he'll go right back to prison he'll you know especially since you haven't given him any at this point you know any reason to think that right um other than the last few decades of going in out of prison. Did you, there was a movie with Forrest Whitaker and the guy who, he was in saving

private Ryan, he was in, um, uh, heat, he died recently. And he was in the witness, it's a movie about being in the witness protection program. Okay. And it talked, and he's in the witness protection program and Forrest Whitaker is a marshal. and he's basically trying to explain to him like you've got no money. Like we sold your house. Right. And you were in the hole. Like you, you, it's funny too because his wife is there. And his wife is like, no, no, no, what are you talking about?

Our house is worth $600,000? And he's like, yeah, but there was a mortgage. She's like, there's no mortgage. And then he has to turn to him. And she's like, he's like, there was a mortgage. I had to take it out a few years ago. I took it. I didn't tell you about it.

She's like, you took a mortgage out of our house. And so he's like, yeah. Yeah, and he was like upside down, I don't know, 30,000, 50,000, whatever it was. And the marshals were like, you don't owe that. We took care of that for you. But you don't have any money. Like they think they've got half a million dollars or something. He's like, so you're going to have to get a regular job.

He's like, how am I going to get a job? I don't have any type of history. And Forrest Riddaker is trying to explain to him. Well, you start slow. You go and you get a job at a labor place. And you tell them that if they won't hire, you tell them you'll work for free for the first. week or two. And that will help you get. And he's just like, this guy's looking at him. It's just like, are you out of your fucking mind? Like, can you, like, I was here. Right. And you're telling me you

wanted me to go below here and start over. And he just couldn't fathom it. But it's, it's interesting. Because the whole thing is, is just about them being in the witness protection program, trying to explain this guy. Right. How to reaclimate to a normal life. And he's just not having it. You know, you would at least had somebody. Right. I got. lucky with that. And the reason why we'll revert back where I told you, I didn't shake down legitimate people. Right. I always treated them well. You heard it was legitimate. Like, we always had a good relationship, good rapport. If somebody went, got nasty with him, because you're in New York. You have people they want to take advantage. I would stick up for him.

I didn't ask for money. I didn't ask for, I'm your friend. I did it out of the goodness of my heart. Like, not because I want something from you. And that's where we began our friendship with mutual respect. Not because, and he knew, I'm over here sticking up for him. Somebody's bullying in them. Like, he knew, like, all right, pay up. Like, I just wouldn't do that. That wasn't my style.

So what are you doing now? You've got rental properties and stuff. But is that what else you know? Yeah, I have a vodka company. My latest venture is official crypto nostra. Okay. And I said,

crypto nostra, like Koza Nostra, our thing. I thought on my podcast, I have a lot of people. I do a lot of live. So there's a lot of interaction with my audience. And they're constantly asking me,

Dom, how could I make money? I'm involved with stocks, too. I self-taught myself while I was in prison. and I'll talk about stocks. I'll talk about the construction business, medical DMEs, all different types of, I'm involved in a lot of different things. So people always ask me, Dom, how could I make money? Can you help me out?

Can you give me something, some idea? I came, I thought about it. Why not come out with a mean coin? Now, there's a bad stigma on these coins. So, of course, a lot of times they go on pump.com and they pump and dump them. Right. So I figured out, how could I build something and add value to it, make it a utility? I figured nobody in the mafia genre has this or came out with it.

NFTs is digital art. So that's totally different. So I figured, let me come out with this coin. and the way we constructed it is we minted 2 billion tokens. Now, out of the 2 billion tokens, we're creating a gaming app. It's called Rise to Power. And with that gaming gap, we're taking 30% of the tokens and locking it into the gaming gap.

So they can't be touched. The only way those coins come out, while people are playing the game, they can mine coins. So that adds value to the coin. Second, we're creating NFTs, digital art, mafia NFTs. We're going to come out with anywhere from 2,500 to 5,000 NFTs. So that adds value to the coin as well. What did the NFTs look like? Oh, you'll see. Don't worry. I'm going to have a picture of you with me. I was going to say, you got to do a franzis. You got to do a franzis. Oh, yeah. No, I'm going to do Al Capone with myself with franchise. We could get real creative with that. So that brings value to the coin. The next factor is we created an online shopping center from I'm coming out with wise guy workouts, wise girl workouts, clothes and loungewear. We have coffee products. We have Kozanostra travel. We have aerosol cans that are basically fire extinguishes. And they're in Walmarts. The coffee's in Walmart.

So say if a bag of coffee is retailing at $12. And my cost is $5. You could buy it on the website or use Cryptonostra. We're going to have a wallet set up on the website. Pay with CryptoNostra and pay $5 and giving everything that cost. If my shirts are selling for $4,000, we're going to have a $40 and it's cost to me $25. Pay with crypto no sure, $25. What I'm doing is creating an ecosystem and I added to a mean coin. Now it became a utility coin. So it brings up the value of the coin.

We just had our pre-sale and we're being launched off a radium and then you have to go through Phantom, the wallet. Phantom because of the Hoc tour, I don't know if you heard. of it. Yeah, yeah, I know who. I know the chick and I know she did kind of a rug pull. A rug pull. Correct. They had 90% of that coin, the tokens, were in only 10 wallets. So they had the majority of tokens. And I'll go back to that in a minute. But with the Haktua, they did the rug pull on it. With us, our tokens right now, now we sold out of our pre-sale we had 400 million tokens on the pre-sale we sold out we raised

100 till just looked 154,000 that's in our liquidity pool we have I think last count was maybe 142 wallets so ours it's all spread out yeah yeah it's not loaded up um what I did was on the open market we launched tomorrow. We have 375 million tokens are left for the open market. We have 75 million tokens that are put aside for advertising, market, and influences. So what I did was I told my audience, we're going to put 50 million tokens up in a pool. So if I have 100 people that sign up, they have to abide by the terms and conditions of the contract. They have to promote. So every time we tweet something, put something on Instagram, they have to repost it and go on sites and promote the coin. For about 10, 15 minutes a day, that's it. When the coin hits,

everybody has their wallet with, say, half a million coins in the wallet, 100 people. For them to have ownership, for it to be there, is the coin has to reach 50 cents. Once it reach 50 cents, it's their wallet. But the wallet's locked until one or two things have. The coin hits $4, then it'll get released, they'll get the access code. They just made $2 million if that happens. If that doesn't happen, then there's a six-month waiting period. But they have to live up to the terms and condition to help promote the coin throughout the six months. After that time, they'll get an activation code where if the coin's trading at $0.50, $1.2, it's their money.

So I'm engaging the audience. I'm only good. I'm only as good as my people around me. And I'm making everybody feel they're part of something bigger. They're part of a family, a group. And at the same time, it's free. They come on. They join. But the vision with this coin is to make it a utility, make it a currency. Nobody has done that. So I'm putting foundation. in place, levels in place where it's going to become valuable. It's not just the mean token. Trump's coin. Official Trump, it's just a mean coin.

There's no value to it other than the name recognition. Trump. Ours we're putting value behind it. We're making it a utility at the same time. Are you doing it? I mean, are you coming out with other stuff other than the, I mean, other like things you can buy with the coin or? I would like to, yes, as we move on.

if I have friends with restaurants where they could go get meals, where I do want to come out with if we see its movement, when the coin goes up, you know, now we become more valuable. So the company, there's 30% that gets locked into the game, 30% that's in the company that stays there. It's not going to be sold. Not, you know, down the road, yes, as we grow, where I could say, let's do a credit card. Let's do a debit card because now we're worth a lot of money. The coin goes up. We have the value. I'm going to do things to build the company because at the end of the day I want to leave behind the legacy. And this could be a legacy here. And we can be noticed by a lot of people. We're doing the right thing. With donating, this 25% goes to charity. We have 50 because I have a 1% transaction fee.

And on the website, it's called a white paper. So it shows where everything's accountable. You show everybody where percentages are going. And I think with the gaming gap, we're adding value. We're giving back to the people. It's a free gaming gap. So while they're playing the game, they can mine coins. And at the end of the day, after a month, after two months, they have $100 in coins.

They could keep it. They could sell it. They could do whatever they want with it. What is the game? Ah, rise to power. I know. I know that. What is it? What is it like you? It's just a simple game.

It's not a first person shooter. No. No. No. No. You go to different levels. You want to hit the pinnacle of boss. So you go from a street guy to an associate to a soldier and it's different levels. So right now I should have the prototype in the next two weeks, but the game should be completed in the next five to six weeks. It should be out there. And everything's about time and the coin gets launched officially tomorrow. Like I said, the market makers will have it.

So it's on them. Every transaction, we get a 1% transaction fee. That's why on the shopping cart, I could afford to ship for free. That's another thing. Use the token. Free shipping. I want to make it, especially in today's economy where people, prices are high. I'm giving back, but at the same time, I'm building something.

And I have a vision for the future. And we all know crypto is the future. It's definitely the future without a doubt. And I just have something here. I think we have a nice unique niche where if it's done right, you know, we could build this to a nice company and very profitable. We got to get all the, all the mob genre guys. You got to get them all on board.

It's funny that you say that. I spoke to Michael. I'm supposed to be going on his show, Franchase, talking about that too as well. What about Sammy the Bull? Sammy, him and I don't see eye-to-eye. He's a snake. He's no good.

I call him scammie, actually. I don't talk to Sammy anymore. He's shy-ste. He did something dirty with me. What about who else is there? Nadeu? No, no, Dezu. He's a piece of garbage.

Is he? He came out. He's talking about the coin, saying, I'm doing a rug pole. Nasty. He's jealous. He's just... He's supposed to have come on here.

He's canceled twice. Like, he wanted... He's like, he said, I want to come to him. I want to come on your show. And then something, suddenly something happened. And then he rescheduled again. And then it, again, he, I don't know what's going on. I don't know.

I could tell you one thing about him. I used to like, not used to, he once in a while he puts... I shouldn't even say that. I'll be fair. He puts out good content. He put out content on me twice lying. Once talking about, because I had a Patreon with him, he told all the viewers, he went partners with a guy Frankie Joyer

who's just coming out in the mafia genre. He was with the Lucchasee crime family. And Frankie wound up kicking him to the curb. So Jeff went on to tell everybody how bad Frankie is, but then he made it about me. talking about I came to him for production, promotions, because I know he knows how to do things and all this. So, of course, all lies.

I combated him. I went on my show and I showed people the text messages from him. Dom, thank you so much for allowing me the opportunity. I didn't, he asked me. And it says it, says it in the text messages. So I called them out on everything. I spent about an hour show. And I went, boom, boom, line by line.

Comes out recently and he's talking about my coins, a rugpole. Dominic, what are you doing? You're scamming people now? Dominic, you were never loyal to anybody. Like, really? So I hit him with, Jeff, I wasn't loyal to anybody. I could have ratted 20 years ago when the government set me up on a fake drug case. I didn't rat. I killed people in organized crime for the family. That's not loyalty. I was going to

kill the prosecutor. That's not loyalty. Like at the end of the day, you don't know what loyalty is. The only time I broke my loyalty was when I cooperated with the government. But for you to come on and say, I'm doing a rugpole. How is it a rug pull when I built a gaming app behind it? I have close to half a million dollars invested into this. I'm doing online. shopping. I'm engaging the audience with a 25, 50 million coin pool. We're doing the NFTs. That's not a rug pull. And by the way, Jeff's, just so you know, after the Haktua girl, we had to get, we were audited by Phantom. And we had my app builders, the people that's creating this, had to get verified. And basically, it's a background check to make sure they're not associated.

with any rug pulls. Right. So you don't know, and I'm not going on pump.com. This is my coin. I own everything. So for you to say that, and by,

oh, and he kept on saying during his tyrant about me, his rant, Dominic, you could sue me any time. You could go ahead and try to sue me. And by the way, Jeff,

I had the lawyers look into it already. I do have a lawsuit. Right. What I'm doing right now is an asset search to see if you have anything to sue. And I left it at that. But I'm like, and I told him, as sincerity, I have no ill feelings towards anybody.

I said, Jeff, you know what? Sign up for my influencer program with the 50 million coins because, Jeff, I know with your outreach. You know, you'll get, you'll make things happen. And Jeff, it's free money for you. What do you have to lose? Time. And if it is a scam, now you have more content to talk about me. So come on, sign up, Jeff.

And I say that sincerely, not being sarcastic, but at the end of the day, he's just a miserable person. And he right now, he has his head up somebody's butt so far. It's funny, I saw all the, him going to Merlino's sandwich place. And initially, I thought he was kind of, um, Like, I thought he had an issue with Merlin. He did. They did. A while back.

Yeah. Joey even said, Joey got on there and ripped the do. Yeah, I thought there was a little feud going on. Yeah, there was. And I didn't think anything of it until I happened to, he came up on my thing. And he's eating a, you know, a Philly's cheesecake. He's talking about how good it is. Right.

And, you know, he goes, he's going on and on about, you know, whatever. The bread. I know. Everything. Yeah. No, I heard a lot of good things about it. And I'm, but I mean, he's going on and on about it. And I'm thinking, oh, they must have, you know, I was like, I thought there was an issue there. But, you know, so, so let's put him aside. Let's say, so we got Wade. I can hook you up with Wade. Wade's another. Okay. Wade is, he knows all about, you know, we talked about him beforehand. He knows he's, he's big into, into the genre. No, I definitely love it. I appreciate it.

You know, definitely. I was going to say, what, who else? I wonder who else there is. There's other people. You know, the problem is a lot of these guys, they start out and then they just, they die off quick, you know. I think they're used,

they're not used to putting in the work, you know, and it's like they'll do it for three months and then it just doesn't work out. What's what you've been doing is? Oh, like four years, five years. And it's probably just the last, what, four months that it's been. It's taken off. It's starting to take it.

Like he literally, he was, he came here three months ago, four months ago. And we did a video about him trying to reach 10,000 subs. Right. And so we put the video out and within a week, he was at 10,000 subs. So he was already in 9,000 and change, right? 1,600 or something. So he kind of pushed it over the edge. You got 10,000.

That was three or four months ago in the last, let's say it's four months ago. In four months. He's now at 15,000. So it took you four years to get to 10. And then in the last four months, it's already 50% increase. And that's the problem is that's what happens. Yeah. You, you know, you grind and grind.

And you feel like you're getting nowhere and nowhere. And then suddenly once it kind of starts, it usually, you know, it feels like it's doing this. And then it suddenly shoots up. Right, right. And you're like, what's going on? But if you really look at it. And it is it is like that, but you know, it's like Colby and I will look back like every time I complain like, bro, like the numbers are down and this and this and this. Colby will go, here's what April was at last year. And I'm like, fuck. Like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like as bad as we're doing, it's double that. Right, right, right, right. You know, you don't realize. You don't. So, but yeah, Wade would wait with, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm interested. Listen, I'm going.

on a tour because with the book, with the crypto that's coming out. I work. I work. I go. I'm not lazy. God has blessed me with vision. And I tell everybody all the time. A lot of times people, Dom, you're crazy.

You're out of your mind. If people don't laugh at your dreams, your dreams aren't big enough. I'm up every day, four o'clock in the morning, out of bed. By four. I wake up at three. My doctors are like, Dom. don't get out. I used to get out of bed at three.

He's like, don't do it. That's the worst thing you could do. Stay in bed. Even though you're up at least four o'clock. Because by you getting out of bed of three, it puts your body into a night shift mode. And that's not good for you. So I'll stay in bed, but I'm up every morning. I do my paperwork.

I have, that's when I come up with ideas. Just it's quiet. It's peaceful. And I'm damn in the gym by 6.30, 6.20. Yeah, that was me two years ago. Now it's like 7.7.30. Although we were this morning, we got up and Jess and I were there by, was it, it was probably six or six. Listen, when you, when you page, when you texted me, I was at the gym. Okay. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was like 5.30. Yeah. It was like 5.30. Yeah, it was probably 5.30. That's right. That's rare. Usually. I know he's going to respond right. Six or seven. But I am on the same way. I wake up at like two or three. Sometimes I'll lay there for two hours. three hours before I get out of bed. Sometimes I'm lucky I might drift off again,

but usually I'm up. A couple of years ago, like this hadn't been like there probably over a year where I woke up, woke up at 4 o'clock, and by 5.30, we were at the gym and we worked out for 30 to 45 minutes because they take a lot.

Right, me too. I'm going to do it. Everyone's like, oh, you work out. Bro, I go through the motions. I stay 45 minutes to an hour. Everything is light. You don't hear me grunting or screen. and her come on one more plus put another plate on there none of that's happened listen at our age

we don't need that just maintaining yeah that's all um yeah listen 80% of it is is is um diet anyway that's my problem it is i love to eat um uh but but i don't know where we were going with this anyway oh working but yeah i work probably 60 60 80 hours a week i'm working all the time i'm texting all the time right do whatever you know well you enjoy i'm sure you enjoy what you're doing Listen, remember how we were figuring out when you were going to come? Right, right. I moved it multiple. I'm trying to get it.

Can I get two people in one to can I move this? Right, right. You know, moving it around, like trying to get maximized the time. And even tonight, I still have after this, I have a phone call to make with the guy. But, yeah, but I mean, I, yeah, we already talked about this earlier where we're all think, but I work all the time. I love working. Yeah.

It's all I want to do. Which is horrible. That's really horrible. But yeah, this is like the whole thing's taken off. And who else? You showed me. There's a couple other mob channels that are out there. You know what it is?

Even in the mob genre, so many people are jealous. It's disgusting. I mean, it's ridiculous. I would say the only one who's not as Michael, Van Chase. he's on a different level. Yeah. But everybody's Sammy, Mikey Scores, they're just, to me, they're doing their own thing. They're successful at it.

But nobody wants to get together and do something good. And everybody's ego. Everybody's egos. Well, and I remember Merlino started his podcast, which was funny because it's like it started out, then it kind of failed. And then it started. Well, they shadow. but what's it called?

Shadow band. Yeah, I think he was saying he was shadow band. No, because every other words in that word. Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah. So they didn't monetize it. He monetized it. Yeah, he was, it's so funny too because I so wanted to reach out and be like, look, you've got a winning formula.

You have to, all you've got, you know what I'm saying? Right. But by that time, he's, we're already, there's already like a,

I don't even say it's a mini feud because guys will say, oh, he did, he said this. Like, I don't even think this guy, you know what I'm saying? thinks about me. Like, I don't think about him.

He didn't really think about me, but like, he's got real feuds going on. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah. No. But he likes it. It fuels them. It does. And he, and it's funny, too, because there's nothing, the first time I mentioned, uh, him and that,

and that, and that, you know, I had lunch with him a few times. The first time, um, I was going to say, like, I don't change anything. He's done nothing but prove everything I said, which was he's extremely unhap. He's, he, he was, he's miserable. he was miserable the whole time that we sat there and I listened to him just complain and bitch and moan and then he then I I've never watched a full video until recently which was the one about um about Gene Borrello okay with the girl yes and if what's the guy's name not it's not marlina I mean it's snuff I call him snuff snuff stuff stuff fluff it's stuff fluff if it I don't know what

Merlino would do if it weren't for snuff. Snuff is running, snuff is 90% of the podcast. Merlinos, Merlinos. The face. Yeah, yeah. But, but, you know, his, his contribution to the video I watched with the chick was, he sat there and his contribution was, ah, what do you expect? He's a fucking rat. He's a fucking rat. He's a piece of woman beat it. He's a woman beat it. You know, he tied women to beds and he fuck it. Like, I'm saying stuff. I've never. heard. Yeah. He did. He did. And I was thinking to myself like, poor, I fell for snuff. He's trying to kind of like, yeah, yeah. I feel like he wanted to say, what are you doing, bro? Like, help participate in a little bit more positive way than just reiterating the same thing. Like, you've got a recipe for an

amazing podcast. You just have to. He's too rough. He's too rough. He's too rough. Because he comes up with some good ones, though. Listen, the one with... He spoke about his uncle. Did you know his uncle cooperated? Yeah. When the cousin called him, hey, my uncle, my father passed away. Okay, and what should I do with him?

When's trash day, Thursday? From him the effing trash. I was like, oh, my God, he didn't just do that. I believe him doing that, too. Oh, I have no doubt. Oh, that, he does come up with some zingers, though. I laugh. I laugh. But yeah, they could have, they could have, well, I think their thing is taking off.

I think Patreon, that's where they're, that's where they're probably, they're making money on Patreon. He's doing like $30 a person? Is he? That's, I heard. I never checked. I could never get paid. I couldn't get, I can't barely get 10 bucks. Really? We're struggling for 10. No, he's, he's loved. He's loved out there. He's loved. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. What else? What do you think? So I guess is he, so are we thinking you, yeah, he could jump on the, the, the crypto.

Who, Molino? Oh, I will love, listen, I will love to bring them on because you know what? It shows the world. Okay, they have their differences. Cool, call me, you could get on, call me a rat to my face. I'm going to agree. I ratted. Yeah.

I read. Listen, I did a video the other day where I was like, look, if you make that decision, if you make that decision, I got no problem with you. Like people like, all people say. this, people say, I have no problem with that. Right. I had to weigh, and it came a time, Kelly's heard of this,

there came a time when I had to weigh the respect of my fellow scumbag criminals and 12 more years of freedom. Right. It was not a hard decision. You know? So, and I knew that because,

just like how you said, you know, there's, you were never loyal. Right. When the first time I got, yeah, I know you don't really know my story, but the first time I got in. trouble was I had two people that when I say friends, we went to, we went on vacations together. We babysat each other's kids. We went to parties together. We talked all the time.

We both own mortgage companies. These people got in trouble. They ran what's called a straw man scam. They got investigated by the FBI. They came to me. I know you're under investigation. and they asked me to refinance their house and get them $75,000 to pay their attorney. I did. I didn't charge them anything? Nothing. I give them the $75 grand. They go and hire an attorney.

The first thing their attorney says is, you need to wear a wire on this guy. They wear a wire on me. So they wear a wire on me. They get me talking about, you know, manufacturing W-2s, pay stuff, everything. I just completely bear myself. I don't realize what's happening. About halfway through the conversation, I realized, fuck, they're wired. Never once did I think that they were going to cooperate.

They were cooperating against me. Everybody I knew was telling me they're 5-0. You'd stay away from them. They're going to fucking cooperate. I'm like, they're friends of mine. I remember I got into an argument with my wife. I was like, what the fuck? We went to Puerto Rico together.

We go to vacation. We go to Disney. We're babysitting. Like, what's wrong with you? My wife at the time, way smarter than me. Puerto Rican, she's got family members that are in federal prison.

She knows people. She knows how it works. I'm an upper middle class white guy who doesn't know anybody that's never been in trouble. And so I don't really know how it works. She's saying, stay away from them.

And I was thinking to myself, my God, like we were at their, we were at their party the other day. What are you doing? I'm going to refinance their house. Don't do it. I do. They wear a wire.

I get in trouble. FBI comes in. They want to talk to me and I say, no, I'm not going to talk to the FBI. I go hire my own lawyer, $75,000. Apparently that's what you get to as a lawyer. Go in the door, by the way. I want to plead guilty. 75 ran. 75 ran to plead guilty? Wow. So he gives $75,000. I tell him, I don't want to talk to the FBI because he told me, by the way, you'll love this. He told me, you haven't been indicted. They just want to talk to you. But they've got a wire. Right, right, right. I can keep you from being indicted. Here's what you're going to do. You go into your office. They believe that you're running a mill, that you guys are committing fraud constantly. Right.

Go get five or ten files of your most egregious, fraudulent files, bringing them to the office. I'll have the FBI come in. You can explain about your brokers and who's work with them. I'm like, he's like, cooperate with them. and I can keep you from being indicted. I'm like, yeah, but what happens to my brokers? And he's like, well, I mean, they'll be indicted. But you haven't been, we can keep you from that.

It's called pretrial intervention or whatever they call it. And I went, I'm not going to do that. I saw the godfather. Like, you know what I'm thinking? I would never. Like, how dare, I was disgusted. You know what I feel? I feel like when I want, when I want, when I want,

When I watched these guys who have never been in trouble or they've been in trouble, they got arrested one time for selling a little grass. And they were, the cops telling them they're facing 20 years when really they're facing six months probation. And they say, I'm not going to talk. And then they get six months probation or two years probation. You were never really looking at time. Right, right. And now they're gangsters. Right.

Oh, if I got a fucking life since I just take it. Motherfucker, you were selling some. Right. You were never facing 20 years. It's all a lie. Like, but they feel like gangsters. I felt like a gangster. I also felt like the crime you have me for,

they had me for was lying on some applications. The FBI was saying there's half a million in loss. I'm saying there's no loss. There never was any loss because those were mortgages that were taken out on properties that were worth more than the mortgages. So there's no loss. They're trying to scare me.

My lawyer's trying to scare me. Whatever. I'm like, I'm not looking at jail time. My lawyer is telling me I'm looking at three years. But I realize he's wrong because they're giving him bad information because I understand that you can't say that there's potential loss. If I borrow half a million dollars on a house that's worth $600,000, there's no potential loss. It's fraud, but if there's no dollar loss, you're not going to jail.

Right. At that level, I've never been in trouble. So I say, no, I'm not doing that. Absolutely not. I'll take the plea. They also wanted to indict my wife. I said, drop the charge on my wife. I'll take the plea.

That's what happens. So that happens. The next time I got in trouble, I went on the run. But that time, everybody I knew that was spoken to, that was involved in the crowd, all of them cooperated. Everybody. They had, I had like 15, maybe 13. I had roughly 15 people on my indictment. It was my name.

And it was, you know, unnamed co-conspirator. you know, a B4, or I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like BG, then unnamed co-conspirator S-B, unnamed co-conspirator, G, whatever. Like there were just the initials, right? Sometimes they do it different. There was like 13 people that I'm like, all these people are unnamed, but they've all, and they've all cooperated. Right.

So I'm on the run for three years. By the time I get caught, I now know everybody's cooperated. So it's like the first time I didn't plead guilty. I mean, I'm sorry, first time I didn't cooperate to get completely off scot-free. The second time, I know better. Now I know everybody's cooperating. So then, of course, I cooperate. Right.

So when you were explaining that whole thing of, no, no, I could have. There's many times I could have cooperated and I didn't. It's not until I realize, oh, everybody's rolling over on me. Right. And you expect me to take it. but I don't ever go into that because at that point when I said I'm going to cooperate and I actually mentioned this the other day I think we have a TikTok on it where I explain if someone calls me a snitch or a rat or whatever I don't defend that right absolutely I did I had

to make that decision I made it but that's not a decision that I made the first time around the first time I told nobody listen and I was telling if I knew the first time What I know now? I would have to cooperate the first time. Absolutely. Got 2 million views on TikTok. Two million views. Yeah, 2.4.

The TikToks, the top comments are a real definition of I got to put me first. And then the second is anything over seven days I'm snitching. You know, look, these are my fans. Right, right, right. Right. Right. I love the first podcast I did was with Danny Jones. there were so many, I thought for sure, I'm getting roasted.

These guys are going to tear me apart. And there were so many guys that were in there that were saying, like, for this dude's just keep it. This is probably the most honest person on YouTube. He's absolutely keeping it real. He's telling exactly what happened. This is the way it is. He's not, you know, I mean.

It's the best way to be. Yeah. Best way to be. I got no problem with, you know, with that. I mean, I think people, I think if you're honest, people are very forgiving. And they see. they'll see through it i get that all the time dom you you come off so sincere you're quick to apologize if you're wrong to me it takes a real man to apologize to admit when they're wrong but when i'm right

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