Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - INSIDE THE MIND OF A CRIMINAL w/ ZACH

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

INSIDE THE MIND OF A CRIMINAL w/ ZACH

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I'm just going to live off the money that I have. That's a normal person. You know what my thought process was? That's right, bro. I'm that good. Yeah. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Zach. Yes, sir.

And we're going to be answering, what do you call it, viewer questions? We're going to be answering viewer questions that obviously viewers have left for Zach and I. So go ahead. I think most of these questions are for you. I don't think so. Some of them say Zach. I know some of them say Zach. Yeah, one or two of them.

I mean, you know, but you bring me in to answer two questions. I'm answering the two questions and I'm leaving. We're going to do another video. All right. All right. So, question number one, it says, how does a regular person stay away from being scammed? I mean, who picked that one? Did you pick that one?

Yeah, I picked it. How does it, what do you mean? If it's too good to be true, it's not true. I mean, it's like. No, you're thinking, okay. So their question probably is how do they avoid being a victim? Not being, well, I don't know. Maybe it is like scam, like, hey, if you get me $50, you know, like there was a thing going

around where they had this group where you had to get like 13 people to give $50. And if you got 13 people and each of those 13 people got 13 people, then you'd end up getting like $2,000 at the end of the week once. It was just like a pyramid. scam going on. Right. Is that what you're saying? Like that sounds too good to be true. It could be anything. Like most of the people like the loan officers and lawyers and stuff where I would walk in and give them my documents and give them this and just go go through the motions. A lot of them said, man, I felt like something was wrong. Like I like, you know, like remember the lawyer that

recognized me. We were doing the closing. He'd seen my picture. Right. My wanted poster was in the back room. He saw my picture. He came, sat down, started disclosing, and I started to sign, or I wasn't signing, but he just started disclosing. He looked at me and goes, huh, he was, can you hold on a second? Sure. Got up, walked back, looked at the poster, but it said like that I was wanted out of like Atlanta, Georgia or something. And he said, and he said, looked at the application. It said that I had just come here from Florida. And he looked at it and he went, and it said that I'd worked for this company for five years and he goes, oh, can't be the same guy. Like, for some reason, that made sense to him.

Even though it said, identity theft, you know, wire fraud, baked fraud. Like, you know, passport fraud, like all these different things. He's like, yeah, must be, walked back disclosed and I walked out with a check for like $150,000 or something. Nice. So what I'm saying is afterwards, when the Secret Service showed up to talk to him, he said, man, I felt like something was wrong. I just, and a lot of times these guys, when they get scammed and they're being. told, hey, send, you know, the IRS called them and said, you owe $1,500 if you don't pay us right now, you know, like, they make them go to Walmart and get a Walmart

card and put money here and wire us money here. And it's like, that amazes me that works. That that works. And then, so what's funny is those people were like, I felt like something was wrong. Like, your intuition told you something was wrong. There's nothing wrong with, with checking. Right. Like, why didn't you check? You know, I don't know. He said not to hire, not to hang up the phone. Yes. And they're going to stay on the phone with you while you go to Walmart. And you're going to pay their company.

It's like basically if you didn't pay, you get arrested. I don't understand why you felt so much pressure. Like, I'm going to do it. Yeah, but if you don't do it, you're going to get arrested. So I'm going to stay on the phone with you. Like, why do you care if I do it or not? Right. Yeah, it doesn't.

The thing is, is like a lot of times it's intuition. A lot of times if it's too good to be true, right? Like, it's an investment opportunity. Like, I'm sorry. there's just very few, like, first of all, if it's an investment opportunity where, hey, I can make 300% on my, on my investment, great. Well, you have to understand if you can make 300% on your investment, you also have to understand that there's about a 95% chances you'll just lose your whole investment. And that's a legitimate investment where if I'm investing in, let's say a startup, I'm going to give you $50,000. Well, only, you know, like one in 10, more like one in 20 startups actually pay off. Right. So you've got like a 90 to 95. percent chance you're going to lose your entire investment so you know but if I hit I'll hit big great well it's the same thing with this scam sounded too good to be true and you lost your investment you know well it's too good to be true right but okay so think of Bernie Madoff so that was see that's a

good scam because he didn't pay outrageous returns he paid slightly more than the the norm than what the NASDAQ so they come along later and say that Like, how was he getting more than what everybody else was getting? Right, but it wasn't outrageously more. It was like 8 to 12%. Right, but it was more. It was more. But people, you know, I don't know.

You know, another thing, another big thing is there was a guy named Andrew Levinson who used to tell me that people were more, his big thing was the whole urgency thing. And one of the things he did was he would break up a, he did business opportunity. scams and he would break up a city into like eight different sections and he'd say okay well and the guy would say like yeah yeah i do i'm interested i'm not sure i'd like to be in tampa and you go okay well tampa's eight we have eight different uh eight different divisions in tampa sections right three of those are already sold i know that we have one of them that we just sent out the contract i don't know if that guy signed it yet um so let me okay so what area first what area are

you interested in so right now the guy's like there's eight areas four basically go on right there's four left like well i want to be in this area right oh no that one's gone that one's gone okay that's one of the ones that went uh three uh on monday so okay so wait well what about we got this area there so you're already thinking i'm gonna lose out on this opportunity people are more concerned about losing out on an opportunity than they are at risking their money yeah with the uh somebody else is coming and look at the car type of right yeah it's like okay like i just had a i just had a guy come in today and look at it yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah, like, oh, okay, gosh, I better get this one because they didn't make 30,000 Ford Chev, you know, Ford F-150s last year.

You know, like, okay, well, I'll never find another one. Yeah, you'll never get a deal like this one is your problem. Look, look, leave, and you're going to miss out. Right. So you're saying if it sounds too good to be true, it's not true. It's not true. Right. So just take a moment and verify.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with like trust, but verify, right, Ronald Reagan. That's right. There's nothing wrong with that. That's true. And if some guy's like, oh, if you leave the lot, if you, stop it, stop. You know it's a scam. Now I know you're full of shit. True.

If I leave the scam, there's a good chance you call me up tomorrow and give me a better deal. If I leave the, if I leave the car lot, yeah, it's a better chance you call me. Hey, I talked to my manager. Did you? Yeah. He's willing to knock it out for $350. What about the people that were showing up? Yeah.

You never showed up. I need you to show back up. Right. Stop. Come on and stop. You know. All right. Easy enough.

All right. So this one said, let's talk, they want you to talk more about your crazy tenants and crazy ex-wife stories. Who picked this? Like, I can't do a whole crazy tenant. Did you call me? I can't do, did you pick that? Listen, these are, these are questions. I tell you, they weren't mostly about me. My crazy ex-wife. First of all, just saying the word crazy ex-wife on here, I just got a phone call. You understand? She can never see this video now. So I usually will get the video and I'll share it and send it until I maybe 10 or 20 people that I know. And she's one of them. I can't send this video now. And I'll never remember that this was in a video. Listen, listen, trust me when I tell you.

How much she watches him anyway. Okay, good. Trust me when I tell you, I understand. Oh, I know you do. So you have to be extremely careful. You don't want to upset. We don't want to upset the exes. No, no.

Like, yeah. I feel so bad for her husband. That dude's doing some hard time. Yes, he is. He's doing some time. So no tenant. What about the tenants? No tenant story.

Is that what you're saying? You're denying the questioner? Well, I mean, I think I've told. Like, I've got a, she's got a bunch of them. I ought to have her, she'd never do it, though. Like, she could tell you, tell you the stories and you relay them. Yeah, I could do that. And we could dress them up.

All right, well, I'll think about that. We'll do another video. What's going on? All right, next one. So I know you guys said when you were, when you get imprisoned, you, wait, okay. Yeah, I know, some of these guys, bro. It's like, come on. So they're saying that we had money taken away.

they said what if we launder the money and make legitimate investments can they track that depending on how it's laundered and how legitimate and how long you've had the legitimate investments is whether they can track it or not like the dominoes

like they did not seize the franchise that I had so right but then it it wasn't in my name so I don't know if that was the issue I don't It really depends on the U.S. attorney. Yeah, it does. If he really wants to be a jerk, he can try and grab every single thing.

Well, see, sometimes complexity, like I was saying, they're looking from the outside end. So when they only see certain things and they don't understand, like, everything that's going on. So I don't think that he saw that. Because if he would have, I think he would have pursued it. So the fact that, because, you know, I got grabbed on something I did in Tampa, right? I didn't get grabbed on anything I did anywhere else. Right. And the information that they received told them speckles of things that we've done.

They had no idea the scope of what was going on on a daily basis. Right. You know what I'm saying? So by not knowing that, they're looking through a hole about this big when, like, on the other side of that hole, they'd have got through it, they'd be like, holy shit! Jesus, dude. We'd be having this conversation right now or the phone. Yes, we would.

So it just depends on the scope. And just like you were saying about someone where 1% of what they were doing was fraud and it took the 100%. So that happens to drug dealers if they pull up in a new car and do a transaction. Or, you know, if they talk to you on the phone in the car. Like if they can associate their vehicle, they want to take it. It's like they want to take everything. I mean, I mean, look, the bottom line is like if you have, so if you have like a job where you make $50,000 a year

and then you make another $200,000 fraudulently, let's say, like if they grab you and you say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And they say, we're taking the $250. You go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, $50,000 of that's legitimate. And I can prove that's legitimate because of this and this and this. And I took that money. And then they say, well, what about you bought these three houses? Yes, but I use that $50,000.

And I, so you can. They're not going to let that happen. Well, it does happen. It does happen. It does happen. If you plead guilty and you argue with them, they will say to a certain extent, like, okay, well, you're right. You can legitimately show where you made this money. So we're not going to, we're going to let that go.

But once again, like you said, like I said, it's the U.S. attorney. Listen. Okay. So the U.S. attorney might just be like, I don't care about any of that. I agree with you. But did, okay, forfeiture, the forfeiture laws, and especially under President Obama, got to be so generous. that it's like it went from and I saw this statistic

I'm trying to remember where I saw it because I'd like to cite the place and if I can I hope you put a link but the statistics of what they the U.S. attorneys gathered in forfeiture like in 2000, 2010 and 2020 is like in 2000 it was like maybe like

600 million and in 2010 it was like 7.8 billion and in 2020 it was like 43. billion dollars. Yeah, it becomes profitable to go after. So somehow there's kickbacks somewhere.

There's no reason for them to seize so many assets. Do you know now, even if you're under investigation or accused, they can seize an asset and you really, they don't have to give it back? It's unbelievable. Listen, the forfeiture laws now, they want everything. If they can, if you do something in your house, if I call you from my house phone, they're like, we want your house. You made, you made the criminal call to Matt. Well, I understand it's that liberal, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing, going to do that every time. Okay.

Okay. Well, I'm saying in, in general, um, if you can prove, I made this is legitimate money. I bought this asset with that money. You can see the money went in the bank. You can see that. Like there's certain things they'll say, okay, well, we can't grab that. It's legitimate. Like, you legitimately made the money to grab it. They, they act like it's on. Well, I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that most of the U.S. attorneys are not going to go out of their way. Like, you can argue in front of the judge and argue your honor this. And then if the judge is going to be like, okay, well, I do, look, he did make that legitimate. What are you doing?

Like, what I'm saying is most of the time when you plead guilty, you're so desperate to get a decent sentence, you're ready to sign over everything. Yes. Because you're thinking it will help you with your sentence. But the truth is, it doesn't really help you. Like most of the time, if you sit there and say, I'm not giving you this. I'm not giving that. I'm not this. I'll plead guilty, but I'm not doing this.

You know, a lot of times you can argue and because giving all that stuff typically doesn't help you anyway. Right. So the other thing I want to say is, look, if you take fraudulent money and buy and turn it into a legitimate business, they can go after that business, right? Correct. Okay. But a lot of times they won't, they may not necessarily go after it because it requires a lot on

there. If they're not getting help and getting you to sign it over, typically. Typically, they may not go after it. They may or may not. Okay, you're going to say, we have a difference of opinion. Yes, we do. Because you're citing the letter of the law and they... I understand, but a lot of times they'll skate the letter or the skirt?

Skate. I don't know. Whatever. They'll get around the letter of the law just by saying, do this. You're going to plead guilty, but to plead guilty, you have to do this. So you go, okay. The truth is the law says they can't do that, but you just agreed to do it. Because you wanted to get, you wanted to plead guilty and get a decent,

you thought you were going to get a decent sentence, and you thought it was going to help you. So we have a difference of opinion on that. Yes, we do. So I think, regardless, they can take your business if you use fraudulent proceeds to do it with. They can take it. They can. Will they? You say they will every time.

They will. They will. They will say it's, I want to think of the term that they use when they think it's so inter, intricate, I'm going to get it. Interwoven? Yeah. it's something interwoven that they can't separate out the legal funds from the illegal funds and they're going to take it or if you had any activity in whatever vehicle or whatever they they their their goal is take take take take take right you know that that's the first thing we can seize

whatever property you have okay all right so anyway I don't think I got spared that like unbelievably well I don't think we answer that question at all all right good for us all right given all the time and effort cleverness you guys dedicated to make fraud an art form in retrospect what could you have applied all those skills to do legally come on what why why why why people do this you try to make me feel bad these are our viewers first of all I actually am doing something what I should have been doing I should have been painting and writing the whole time but I really didn't really work on my writing skills till I went to prison so really I had the time to hone that crap. You weren't passionate about. What were you out passionate about

over like, oh my God, dude, that's brilliant. Prior to prison? Yeah. Like what would you have found brilliant prior to prison to write about? A love story? I mean, I don't, I liked, I liked crime movies and stuff before I went to prison. You know, I did. So I even wrote a book called I don't think Logan's run is crime. I wrote the associate. I wrote a story called the associates when I was before prison. Show to John Grisham, but go ahead. I wrote it before him. Oh, okay.

And it's a different story. So, I mean, I would say, I don't know, I would say fucking, I would say art or, or, or. An art story? No, art. I mean, just right. The same thing I'm doing now. One of the difference is then I had wanted, I was trying to make money and making money was more important than following what I was passionate about.

And now I, I write, wrote when I was in prison. and I paint. For example, I painted all of these paintings and they're all for sale. That's what we got to do. We've got to do a little commercial. We'll have to do a commercial and just embed it. That way I don't have to do that.

Like, you'll just show up and it would be different. Yeah. So anyway, there will be a link in the description where you can contact me if you want to buy a painting. They're going for like $2.85 and I ship them. them to you. That's a deal. Is shipping included? Shipping is included if you're in the continental United States.

And if you're not in the continental? Well, then you have to pay extra. I mean, like if you're in, if you're in Australia and it's going to cost $110 to you. I'm not paying that. Okay. Fair enough. Hopefully they won't get that in the, um, yeah, I mean, what could we have legally done? Like, I don't know, I could have probably stuck with real estate and just kept, if I, if I'd been patient, if I'd just been patient and stuck with real estate, I probably

would have done well in real estate and then lost everything during the 2000. The 2008 crisis, you know, crash, whatever. Crisis. What do they call it? What do they call it? The 2008 crisis? Crisis. Yeah.

So I probably would have lost everything then anyway. So what does it matter? I think I could have like warmed my way back into maybe training or teaching. Yeah. I always have a passion for or speaking. I mean, you were already on your way. You were with the Tony Robbins thing. Like you could have turned that into a whole thing.

Well, yeah. Had you not been committing crimes. Well, yeah. But had you not been committing crimes, you would have never met Tony Robbins either. It's a big circle. Yeah, it is scary. It's scary. It is.

It is. That opened up a doorway that I would have never imagined exists. All right. Talk about bandman Kivo, money man, and Rich Wayne. You picked these, right? Colby, did you pick? They're all of them. Okay.

Well, I mean, I mean, like what we, what that is, that's basically saying we should do a reaction video to those. So we will. At some point, we'll watch one of those. A couple of the people that I talked to that were in with. with us and out, like my friend, they watched those videos. Like, man, this guy is, I mean, he's telling you how to make it, man. And he's speaking my language, like, so they're giving dreams to thugs.

Right. Well, it's like when I taught the real estate class and every guy that left the real estate class thought they were and go out and start flipping houses and make millions. Yes. And it's like, I get them hyped up and everything. And if they had a little bit of experience and maybe they could do it, but you can't. And first of all, a lot of the stuff that he says is, you know, it's inaccurate. inaccurate because a lot of it

it's basically like you have to lie on the application you have to like he doesn't tell you that when they ask you like your job you have to basically say you've been on the job five years or three years or two years you have to say you make like $85,000 a year like you can't sit there and say you know you've been on the job what you know oh unemployed

you can't you know you can't be honest about it or you can't say you know street pharmacist yeah exactly drug deal like you can't so you're already committing fraud while you're filling out the application and then the whole where they talk about putting the money in the bank and then borrowing against the money

and then taking that money and put it in another bank. And, you know, doing this over and they have all these little tactics but every time that you go to do certain things, you're constantly kind of lying about this. And not that they don't work, people do, they do work. I understand they work. Right.

But you're also committing fraud on a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them you're kind of committing fraud. And it takes time. Yeah. Let's say you do it all legitimately. You really have a job. You really put all the correct information down. And you really do it takes time.

And I always love it like they'll build up to where you can borrow like 200,000 or 300,000. It's like, but what are you going to do with that money? Like you're excited because you borrowed $300,000 from like three different banks or 100,000 from three different banks. You got 300,000. What are you going to do with the money? Like basically what he's saying is like they'll be different. Some of these guys will be like, yeah, yeah, now you got the money. You can do whatever you want with the money.

No, you have to repay the money. Like basically you're setting them up for foreclosure. I mean, I'm sorry, for bankruptcy. or collections and that's fine but if you go into that scenario with that in mind you're committing fraud yes you say well i'm going to get the money i'm never going to make a payment well that's fraud i'm not saying you'll get you'll get uh prosecuted you may not get prosecuted you may or may not but the truth is a lot of these little schemes are just fraudulent right i listened to one of his videos where he was talking about putting down like five percent down on the house and then which is

essentially like that's an owner-occupied property you're not going to you have to put 20% down on an investment property 5% down on owner-occupied so and then he says so once you get that house you go get another house and you put 5% down on that one then you go get well-who how many owner-occupied properties are you going to tell these people to do you're saying they're moving in the house putting down 5% for an owner-occupied loan but you're telling them not to even move into the house right or move in the house for a month and then leave he doesn't even say that, but move in the house and then leave. It's like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, if they don't move in the house and didn't have intentions and they got an owner-occupied

property, which means that they told the bank I'm going to move in this house, and they never didn't, never intended to, you just committed what's called owner-occupancy fraud. And then you went and bought another one and told the next bank the same thing. You just committed owner-occupancy fraud again, because they're talking about renting out the houses. Like, your whole, like, I listened to him and another guy talked to this whole scheme about ending up with like $2 million dollars with real estate and you're like, you just told these people how to commit $2 million worth of fraud. That's a little bit of time.

Yeah, that's a little bit. Yeah. But they put that out there and all these guys are like, yeah, man, yeah, that's the shit. He put on it on the game. They're living off the hype. Right. Well, first of all, they're never going to do it because to qualify for those mortgages.

He never mentions you have to have a job. You have to have the money in the bank for 90 days. You have to have good credit. Like, they never mention all that stuff. Well, listen, to be fair to them, neither did you in your real estate class. so that's not true that's a blatant lie my my real estate class is good yes it was solid let's go to the next one I don't even believe anything you say I feel like one of your victims yeah okay those guys did you ever see anyone in prison get their cheeks clapped by another

inmate I first of all I don't even know what I'm not sure what that is but what do you think that is I don't I hear guys say that all the time they say like big hurt going to come clap them cheeks or something so are you saying that big hurt is going to slap them with your hand or is he going to make them clap i don't understand is this is sexual this is sexual of course it is okay i don't know look it is it could be cheeks like it will bow like punch you the face cheek yeah you got cheeks on your face you got four cheeks yes you do okay so so i mean well i have and and it's too um the um when i've heard the clapping it was to 50 cents going to the in the club stop what are you doing I'm sorry this is serious going to the

all right sorry about what so what is this so what was the question have we ever seen yes no no and usually if someone gets yes if they get their cheeks clapped that's not something you want to see anyway well here here's what what I did what happened was I did hear a guy getting clapped getting raped. Like I heard the screaming, the fighting, the, the whole thing. Wow. And this was when I was in the Marshall's lockup and I was on the bottom cell and he was in the, they were in the upper right hand corner.

And later we, when I found out later, like the next day they were both gone. But like the, but then when I heard what happened, because obviously they have different levels or different stories in the, it was, it was called Atlanta City Detention Center. Yeah. A-C-D-C. Yes. So in that we later found out from somebody who'd been in one of the cells with the guy that got raped, he came down, he told everybody, okay, this is what happened.

It was such a weird situation, bro. Like the guy got, his celly was a punk, and he got into a fight with him where he was saying that he was hitting on him. And so he then beats him up and rapes him. So you're saying, you're mad at the punk because you're saying he's flirting with you or he's hitting on you. So you get angry, you then beat him up and rape him. Like, that doesn't...

Well, it's like, if you're going to accuse me of this, why not do it? Like, you have a situation where your wife may accuse you of cheating. And I get that situation. Like, I can see that one. You're already saying I'm cheating on. You might as well go ahead and sleep with my secretary. That's right. Okay, I hear you.

So if you're... All right, you're right. But if you said, Matt, I think you're flirting with me. I wouldn't be like, what? Boom, boom, boom, boom, drag you in the bed. bedroom and yeah no first of all is it rape if the guy puts on some soft music and light some candles I mean probably maybe not maybe not maybe so so here maybe it's love so here's love true so here's a situation I seen when I did county time well I wouldn't yeah I would say

seen you know so and I forgot about it's actually technical saw but go ahead scene saw so saw see it's saw this is what I saw not what I seen Okay, you're right. Okay. My mom would be upset about me getting that wrong. All right. This is what I saw. So I worked when I was in Cobb County in Georgia.

Oh, I know, horrible. So I- In county, not the U.S. Marshals holdover? This is county. So there, there, it's horrible. Like, everything's open. A different class of criminal. Oh, my gosh.

It's open. So when I first got there, right, they had, the toilets were like, you got to imagine like a line of toilets right here, a petition about this high, and then bunk beds. So I had to sleep, when I first got that, I had to sleep on the bed that's right here and the toilets. So if I'm sleeping and I turn over to face the bathroom, like I sleep on my side, I'd turn over. I'd wake up and there'd be somebody sitting right there on the toilet. Like I'd wake up and look them right in the eyes. Like, Jesus Christ, they'd turn over immediately.

I'm like, hey, good morning. What's up, Joe? I had a guy. I heard a guy say that like the toilets were all like lined up. Yes. And they said guys will go and sit like this was this was in prison. Yes. There were no partition walls.

So they would sit on there. So they just, the toilets are like two feet apart. He said the guy, but no partition. Oh, no partition. Yes. That's what I'm saying. There was no partition. Okay.

So he, well, this guy said that he literally guys would come there with like a magazine. Of course the magazine is all taped up. You know, for like a. Oh, yeah. Of dirty pictures magazine. It's all taped up. And they would come there and they would fucking get like their, their, their, um, whatever lotion

and they just pull that out and start and they sit on the toilet and jack off looking at the picture while you're trying to taking a shit next to them or trying to pee in the and the guy's just in there

and you have to like what's going on people are animals you have no idea how people are animals you have to really zone get into your own zone and ask yourself

what did you got yourself into so what happened all right so what happened is all right this is how bad it was like I worked on where I cleaned the courthouse and all of the police center. So we went there at night.

So my job was at night. I'd get back at midnight. Like I'd go to work at about six, clean up different office buildings, government office, county office buildings, and get back about midnight. At midnight, I would get a shower. So I get in, grab my stuff for my shower,

and I'm the only one in this unit that came back at night. So I'd go and I get in the shower. And as I'm getting in the shower, because you know, like we said, you have to be in your own zone. As I'm getting in the shower, like, I see someone, like, standing there. Like, I don't know what he's doing, but he's like standing, moving, standing, you know, but I don't look. So he's like right here and the shower heads over here. So I just go and I get in the shower and I, you know, I turn the water on.

I start showering and I hear, hey, hey, a player. He calls me player. I never forget this. A player. I'm like, yo, what's up? He goes, you might want to do that a little bit later. I said, do what? Shower?

I go, listen, man, I just got off of work, man. I'm going to shower now. He goes, hey, player, you might want to do that a little bit later. I said, hey, listen, man, I'm not going to do it a little bit later. So then he says, hold up. So when he says that, like, I turn to look, and he's got a guy against the wall, and he has to actually take three steps to back out of the guy. Like, as he's backing up, of course, I glance, and I'm like, holy slugs.

And you said, maybe I should do this later. I'm thinking, I should do this a little bit later. Yeah. Like, I grabbed everything. It's like I was moving in reverse, putting my clothes back on as I back out of the shower and haul ass. Yes, I've seen some clapping. But I really didn't see the clapping.

I just saw the exit of the clapping. Okay. So I didn't see the clapping, let's say. So one, I told you the rape because I was thinking more like a rape type thing. Right. Also. But I have like in the low, there were cubicles. Right.

There was a time when I walked by a cubicle and there was this old man. God, he was old man Puerto Rican, didn't speak English. God, I forget what his name was. He was probably in his 60s. he had a young punk boyfriend who was probably in his late 20s, early 30s. What was his name? Aaron? Anyway, it doesn't matter.

So the old man ran a store. You know, like people, a store is where they basically keep all, they keep almost everything in commissary in their locker and in other people's lockers and you can buy it. So you go and you say, hey, I want a honey bun that's $2, but you give him three bucks and he gives you a honey bite. So it's right there. You don't have to wait a week to go. Right. You know, people run out and they run up a, and then. then he'll he'll also they'll also give you a credit right so then at the end of the end of the

week they go and they say hey here's you owe me $40 I want you to buy this from commissary for me and so he's constantly just turning all he's making a bunch of money just doing the books right so he had a boyfriend gosh I wish I could remember his name because he was so funny he only used to say what he was in Puerto Rico he'd shot two cops and he killed a cop in Puerto Rico back in like the 70s and he got like 10 or 12 years he's like I killed a cop in Puerto Rico I got 10 years so he did 10 years he was I came here I sold a I sold a little bit of crack they gave me 30 came to the United States and was selling crack and he got 30 and he got 30 years so in his early 20s he got 10 he got like 10 or 15 years but he only did 10 in Puerto Rico

gets out when he's 30 comes to the United States start selling crack boom they crack him in the head him like 30 years so so he's got this this kid who's a punk and um so one day i'm walking by his cell and he had a lookout and i walked but i walked by the cell and the lookout wasn't paying attention and i walked by the cell and i wasn't getting anything from the store i just happened to walk by and i glanced over and i was like holy jesus he had that dude spread eagle holding his i don't assume he's holding his shit to the side or something. I don't know. And he's hitting it. Guys spread eagle and he's banging away. Here's what's funny about that. So I just for like a split second, I was like,

whoa, and I just kept walking. What was his name? Anyway, here's what's funny. So it got out that this is that he's seeing this guy. He'd been seeing it from, but when I say got out, I mean got all the way back to his family in Puerto Rico. His two daughters fly into the United States come to visitation like we're talking immediately um he goes to visitation and in visitation they tell him no and he goes I'm lonely I I just I need companionship and they're like no no you get rid of him the absolutely no we don't want to hear anything more about this it's a no so he comes back from visitation he calls the guy in there and breaks up with him and keep in mind he's basically just on the payroll

right so he's getting free stuff i mean he's fattening him up i mean so uh yeah so that went on for they god i oh is his i can think i can't think of his name um anyway maybe a couple months later it starts up all over again i mean he's lonely he's lonely the poor guy so uh and it was good you know it was good so then the other thing is there was this little tiny mexican that was probably a hundred pounds and i remember coming into i actually write this and one of the books. I write about how I'd come into the unit one day and looked over and there was

there's like a little 12 year old girl, 13 year old girl sitting on a locker kicking, you know how the lockers are about that high, kicking her feet with pigtails singing to like Madonna or you know, whatever, Lady Gaga

and she's like going back and forth, kicking her little legs and I walked by and I was like, the fuck did that fucking, how's there a 14 year Oh, we're a 13-year-old little girl in here. And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. That's not, that's not.

Now, keep on, they, they had three different punks at the low that had breast jobs. Titty jobs. Oh, you know, that was a problem. So Titty jobs and one of them had the whole set. Titties, facial cheek implants, and the butt, the hip thing. But this was just a little tiny thing. Erica, her name was Erica. Very popular.

Very popular. looked like a little 13 or 14-year-old girl. Oh, my God. And I mean, you want to talk about the freaks coming out of the woodwork. Every guy that was out there that wasn't was now all these dudes are like, able, willing to convert. Listen, listen, Erica had new shoes, tons of commissary, very popular. And so one day I went into the bathroom at like 1 o'clock in the morning because I'm, you know,

and typically you didn't go into the bathroom after, after lights out. like I peed got in my they peed they did count I laid down you don't go in there because that's where it's it's Sodom and Gomorah

and I have it's like 1 o'clock in the morning I had to go in I go in the bathroom and Erica's in a shower stall with some do you see like you know first of all you saw two legs

but you heard something going on some lot of grunt and then next thing you know boom the little legs drop down boop walks out sachets down the thing and I'm like

unbelievable and then like two three minutes later this fucking dude comes walking out and I glance over at him he glances at me he's just like fuck yeah bro yeah I've seen that so bad so I mean I've seen little bits and pieces here and there but I'm like a full on the full on only full on one I saw was the old man I love that the do you wow did you hear that yes of course i was trying to act like maybe it wasn't on the mic i don't i don't know um but yeah definitely bro like i mean i love that the the daughter flew in and said

absolutely not you break it off right okay okay for a little while a little while a little bit um all right um all right so hey matt i got a question first let me say I know you guys handle yourself physically, but do yours get concerned for the safety because I mean yours talk very blunt about opinions and maybe cartel guys listen to these pot. What? What is this guy saying, bro?

I mean, I don't... Nothing. All right, we go to the next question. Yes, yours. So, oh, wait, we're worried about our family? This is not a good one either. Have you guys been to England? What experience did you have?

Also, any European adventures or possibly scams? I mean, I just got back from Amsterdam. There's no scams. I've been to England. I've been to Germany. I've been to, like, I've been all of it. I never ran any scams when I was doing it. Funny, funny story.

The fact I was traveling on a false passport. That's always a good thing. Funny, only funny stories I have is you, I forget, I absolutely forget that our beer content or our alcohol content for beer and drinks is about 13%. And in other countries, it's more than the 50s. 40s. And so you're one, you're thinking, okay. Your pint that you can handle without a problem here is will floor you over there. You're like, wow. I don't know why there. Or you can walk into a McDonald's and get a beer.

Yes. Forget about that. Or the fact that they drink beer on commercials. I wonder if that's rain. That's the air conditioner. That's AC. Oh. So, all right. Um, Um, you have someone to ask, what Sesame Street character do you most identify where? Are you serious? Yes. Cookie Monster, of course. Don't be silly. I would say Oscar to Grouch for you.

Oscar the Grouch? Yeah. And I think I'm more Ernie, the, the black guy with the, with the gay relationship with Bert. What happened? The Muppets. Oh, I love the Muppets. Yeah, yeah. The two old men.

I like the two old men. Oh, yeah, the heckle them from the, from the, you know, from the Muppets. Yeah, from the, yeah. Good times. No, that was, that was. You know guys that you're calling me chainsaw in the in the comment section. Now, you know, chain saw, what's up, bro? I love that.

Yeah. So hilarious. Chainsaw, he had 30 years, didn't he? No, he had. No, I'm saying that I was calling. I said I wanted to be called chainsaw. Oh, that's right. So now you're chainsaw.

All right. What kind of PTSD or pet peeves have you guys developed from being in prison? What do you think? I washed my hands like, you should rush your hands anyway, but I mean, I wash them probably 20 times a day, maybe 30. I used to wash my hands like, I was constantly washing my hands in prison, especially not so much in the medium, but when I got to the low, because everything you're sharing everything. Right. And I would say for the first six months that I got out after the halfway house, I felt really so would feel uncomfortable. Like around 4 o'clock and 10 o'clock, I felt weird.

Like you feel like I'm supposed to be my cell right now. Like they're coming to count. Like it's constantly felt like I was, they were going to come get me because it's like like they messed up and I shouldn't be out. Like they're going to come like, oh, Cox, hey. We just got something. You weren't supposed to be released. And I had that feeling for like a year or so. I still have that a little bit.

Trust. More so now, but a little bit I used to have that. The terminology, I still say chow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I still say bunk. What about sweetener? Yeah, sweetener.

I still say bunk instead of bed. I still have some of the terms. I was doing a, I was doing a, I was filling out my dating profile. And I was like, basically I'm looking for somebody that's, I'm looking for a celly that will be down for the whole, for my whole, my whole bid. Absolutely. Absolutely. As a con man, what makes you think this guy is not a victim?

Or I'm not going to take advantage of this person. or are we all at risk? They're asking, like, what makes you, what makes us say? Or what makes us not target someone? Right. But we, but we really target any much. Yeah, we're not, we're not, see, a con man, and this is why it has to be distinguished, a con man is someone like Barrington, remember?

You know, con men take money from average people. They, they're like salesmen, and they convince a regular person, to come off of their money. Right. Right. A scam artist is like someone that runs a scam for anyone that will fall for it. Like if I put on the internet, I'm selling solid gold coffee mugs and I really paint coffee mugs gold. That's a scam.

Because anybody that will send me the money, you've fallen into my trap. Right? And fraudster. Fraudsters, I don't know. I mean, I kind of feel like they all fall under comment. But yeah, I see what you're saying. I was trying to think, like, fraudsters are basically trying to defraud banks and trying to, in my opinion. Well, you target, you come up with an idea to get money from a specific, I would think fraudsters are more institutional than just like con man or scam.

Yeah, my U.S. attorney constantly referred to me as a fraudster, fraudster. He's a fraudster. He's a fraudster. Yes. Yes. Me too. yeah so but a con man will directly and to me a con man influences someone to give up their money whereas I think a scam artist actually doesn't influence it's just kind of like a something that's too good to be true and they take advantage of it I think I think a lot of times too like I would I mean to me it was just general it was it was it was general like if I was trying to get your information it was general it was like I would run to if I was trying to get information to further my fraud that I was committing it was I would run an ad and put it out there like hey you know

good credit bad credit no problem you know home loans available call you know a free applications call and then the phone number so to me it's like I'm not I don't feel like I'm targeting anybody specific like anybody that reads the ad and is interested in getting a loan they'll call like so I wasn't there was no more scam that's yeah it wasn't like I was like looking at you and talking to you going yeah I can I can convince them to give me a hundred thousand dollars right I just need your information so I can get the bank to give me a million. Right. Like I don't need your $10,000 or $100,000.

I'll get a million from the bank, just give me your information. Right. But it's amazing because, in my perspective, because con men actually do target people and they can persuade them to give them money. So they know their personalities. They know their sweet spots and their buttons to push that would convince that person, hey, this guy's pretty cool. I can trust them.

and I guess pull them out of their bread. Or they make an offer that they think that they can't refuse. Well, that was the whole, like the Ponzi scheme type people that are like, hey, or Marcus Schrenker, the guy that jumped out of the plane that ran like a Ponzi scheme. And he would, he ran a churning scheme too. So he would target people that he knew he could, like, he would target other pilots because he knew he could get in there and they spoke the same language. So if you were both pilots, he knew they automatically trusted him.

Right. And then he would try and get them to give him their retirement fund so he could invest. And he targeted specific people because he had a connection. I definitely think that con men target people that they can make a connection with. Right. Or can show a benefit to. Yes. Hey, by the way, just want to let you guys know if you're interested in supporting me and supporting the channel and you like artwork because I do have a degree in fine arts, I'm selling all of these paintings.

They are modified screen prints and they go for $285. and I will ship any one of them to you within the continental United States for the price of $285. My email will be in the description. So just shoot me an email and I will ship you off a painting and I really appreciate it. So back to the video. But anyway, let's move on. That's it's, we're beating a dead horse. All right.

What do you think about NFTs? I mean, I'm actually doing an NFT with investment joy right now. I did a painting. I designed an NFT for him. And they scanned it and we're going to do an NFT probably in three or four weeks. And he's going to sell like a thousand shares of this NFT for like a hundred bucks a piece or something. I'm actually supposed to go up to. I actually just got approved to go up to Ohio to do a video with him about the NFT.

Really? Yeah. And I'm actually going to try and get into NFTs. My problem is I just don't have, it takes a certain amount of investing. If you want to do it right, like you can take a picture. I could take a picture of my painting, a painting and then put it up on an NFT website. but it's not going to do it. People are like,

that's what you should do. You'll make tons of money. Like, stop it. You watch a couple of YouTube videos. You don't know what you're talking about. Like, you have to have a story. You have to be able to advertise. You have to, like, stop.

It's not posting it and taking a photo with your iPhone. Like, you have to have it scanned. You have to have it turned into the digital image. You have to have a whole bunch of things connected to it for it to be legitimate. Like really be a solid piece that you can turn into an NFT and actually fractionalize and sell. And so I'm doing one right now with this guy, Brandon, who runs a channel called Investment Joy. And I'm going to do that. But I'm trying to set it up right now so I can start doing NFTs.

It's a non-fundurable token. So it's like taking a – so you would scan something like this Marilyn Monroe or the screamer or whatever. So you scan that and then you come up with a digital image and you post it on like a – you posted on, let's say with like a – the – Ethereum has a What am I missing here? It's like a They have a Whatever they have like a let's say a website

So they have a website you place it on People can buy a fraction of that painting And they get a digital image Which is a unique image of the painting Is it of the whole painting or just a portion of it? You can actually do both You can break it up into so you end up with like Oh look I got a little part of the M

you know but or you can just say no it's the whole image and we're fract you it's it's been broken up into one one one thousand and you've got one one thousand and so it's it's on a thousand images of the same thing of the same thing but each one is unique right so you can't so it's not like people it's not like bitcoin bitcoin every bitcoin is worth the same bitcoin right so it's almost like dollars you're inter-exchangeable these are unique everyone is unique so there can only be a thousand and so you i buy it for a hundred bucks you might say hey i want that right and you buy it it from me for $110. Now, I no longer have it, because as soon as I give it to you, it's no longer in my, it's no longer

in my whatever, however I'm keeping my phone or whatever. Right. So, and you get, there's a chain of title. And so every time that you sell it, it keeps, let's say if you sell it for more, it continues to go up in value, which everybody else's thing goes up in value. It's an interesting concept. But, yeah, so, so I'm going to be doing that soon. I'm just, we're building a website, and I'm actually working on that.

and that's one of the things I'm going to do. Okay. So I'm going to try and do it, you know, see if it works. I think it'll work. I think that's it. What are you talking about? None of these are for you? I remember seeing some that were for him.

I thought I saw some. Maybe they were just asking me in the comments and not on the... Because guys are always saying like, Zach this or Zach then. They're always like, nothing? I know. You know that's right at the time. Wait. You know that.

you know what time it is right what why can't they just when would COVID be under control no I think that's it why didn't you bury a bunch of cash and suitcase somewhere oh yeah yeah I see I knew there was like some that were yeah I didn't know if that was for you or for me um I listen I I readily you withdrew money from banks I readily used banks yeah like like like I paid people using my Blackberry and transferring funds, I readily use banks. So I would move it from one to the other. So I, that was, like, you wanted cash.

No, I wanted cash because I want to walk away. I don't want anything being traced to me. Oh, well, I. You don't seem to have an issue with things being traced to you directly. Yeah. That was it. That's it. Thank you for all the questions.

Yeah. Well, I mean, so what you're saying is you didn't bury cash. And they're like, why didn't you? Because you didn't think you'd get caught, right? Unfortunately, that was my problem. Yeah, that was the same my problem, too. It was just arrogance and just being cocky and arrogant. And I just didn't think, I never thought,

I really genuinely didn't think I was going to get caught. And even when it could, because every time I did get caught, I kept getting out of it. Like I kept talking my, you talk your way out of it. Why didn't that spooky? That's what, because a normal person would have been like, wow, you know what, I cannot put myself in this position again. I got lucky and I will not do that again.

And I'm going to stop from now and I'm going to go get a regular job. I'm just going to live off the money. that I have. That's a normal person. You know what my thought process was. That's right, bro. I'm that good. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You can't touch this, bro. I just taught myself out of hand. I like that. In cuffs. Fucking idiot. And talk. Well, what's in here? I mean, I mean, but, you know, what's so funny is I did I talk myself out of it. Like, they let me go. So instead of me thinking, oh, thank God, I'll never do this again. Like, that's a normal person thinking, right? Well, were you panicked at the time? At the time I was.

but the moment I walked out, my adrenaline shot up and I said, oh, you're the shit. You're amazing. Well, that is, that is an amazing. I went to two more banks and withdrew money. I know. That is an amazing. Who does that?

That is an amazing feat within itself. That is an amazing feat within itself. That's why I felt so good. I felt good about myself. It was cool. But you know, you know what's funny about that? When we were doing the hotel scale, and this is what I think of,

when we were doing the hotel, when we were faxing the paperwork over. Right. So what I learned is So they don't know Who's committed to crime So if I fax paperwork over To book you a hotel room

You're in the room So the credit card goes bad They call the person that owns the card Says listen I'm not I didn't authorize the use of that card Right I don't know what the hell's going on And the person that's in the hotel

Didn't fax the card over They know it was an outside person they called So the police So someone had just gotten out of jail He was in a hotel with his girl and he called me up and said, oh, my God. He said, the police came in the room, took their rental car. They had a rental car.

They're like, you guys, you can't even afford this. They took the rental car, searched through everything they had, gave them just their clothes, right? He said they had them in cuffs going through the whole room and let them go. He kept saying, I can't believe these cops let us go. He goes, the one thing I can't, he's like, I thought we were gone. He goes, I can't believe that. He's like, I'm done. I'm done.

Like, I can't believe they let us go. You didn't say, I can't believe. I did for a brief moment. And then it completely switched to, I'm just that good. Yeah, I just, I started thinking, wow, I'm, it, I became emboldened. Like, I couldn't wait to do another scam. Like, yeah, yeah, we just lost $600,000 and I just got lucky and taught myself out of handcuffs. And they're on to me and everything.

And I thought, well, listen, next time what I'm going to do is, like, it didn't. Stopping didn't enter my mind. It just emboldened me. Wow. It's just stupid. The relief didn't even last that long. It's kind of like he was supposed to let me go. The relief, of course, I'm amazing.

The relief didn't, like that whole thing was gone by the time I pulled into the parking lot of the next bank that I pulled out $8,000 out of five minutes later. Like, I mean, so you have to think a normal person thinks like that, but I mean, I didn't think. I look back now and I go, well, what? what are you thinking? Like I look now and I see all of the chances I had to walk away and I think you're an idiot. Like you're really, something's mentally wrong with you. And I look back now and I can't imagine the things that I did. Like if you said, Matt, look, here's what you're going to do. Boom, boom, boom. Like, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm like, that's insane. Well, it wasn't insane before I went to prison. I would be like, I don't know why we haven't done this already.

Give me that. Let's go. Like, I would have done that. Right. Now it'd be like, Are you insane? I'm not doing that. I don't have another bit in me. Right. I couldn't do the last one. So I had to break that shit off. Spread it out.

Share. Okay. So what else? That's it? Is that it? Unless you want to answer some, like should you invite Frank Amadeo or whoever, have you spelled his name? Frank Amade, they spelled it wrong.

It's fine. I mean, I would love to. Danny's tried to get him on his podcast like over and over and over again. They've tried. He's tried to get him on his podcast. It won't budge. He won't do it. He won't do it.

And when is COVID going to be under control? I mean, come on, what are you doing? These are the questions that are left. Listen, I don't even believe in COVID, and yet I got the shot, and I've been tested multiple times, and I had COVID, and I'm still not sure it's a thing. I mean, who knows? I don't know. I don't know what this is going on.

To me, it was a bad flu, but they say people are dying. Yeah. Who am I? That's what they say. I don't know anything. You're not the ones that are dying. I don't know anything. And I didn't have it.

It was horrible. And thoughts on general social engineering techniques. I mean, what these, see, that's a good question. You couldn't have started with that one? I should have. I should have. That's a good question. This is a person that didn't get socially engineered.

What's his name? Let's take care of that. All right. So, yeah, I mean, to me, you know, it's funny. Like, it's like when I was trying to figure out how to do, how to get a driver's license. Or how to get a social security number, to issue social security numbers to people that didn't exist. Like, it started off as, you know, what I need to do is start creating synthetic identity. So I need social security numbers.

How can I get social security numbers that, how can I get social security to issue me one? And I was like, I'll just call them and tell them I've never had one. Like, they don't know who's on the phone. So I call them up. Hey, my name is John Doe. and I've never had a social security number and they're like, really? I'm like, yeah, how do I get one issued?

And they're like, okay, well, Mr. Doe, were you born in a hospital? Yes, I was. Well, then you have a social security number. Well, no, I don't. How old are you? I'm 33 years old. They're like, do you have a driver's license?

Yes, you have a social security number. Have you ever had a job? Yes. You have a social security number? Click, hang up. I call back. Hey, you ever had a driver's license? No, you ever had this?

No. I was not born in a hospital. How were you born? Where were you born? I was born at home with a midwife. You know, okay. Well, listen, you just need to get your birth certificate and come in here. And we'll, you know, we'll see if you've ever had.

Like, you could tell, you could hear it in their voice. Right. So then you hang up and you go, you call up and you go, I have a social security number, but I need it changed. So I started thinking, well, how can I say I had one, but I needed a new one? Like, then I could go survey a homeless person or something. thing, get his information, and then get his changed. Like, I'm trying to think, how can I maybe build on that?

So I start, you know, and then eventually it just kept changing. I kept change it. I spent a whole day calling. Right. Like, social security number does not answer your phone call right away. No, you have to be on hold for a while. Yeah, it's like, you know, yeah, 47 minutes remaining, you know, five minutes later, 41 minutes remaining.

You know, you're the 103rd line. So it just keeps going, going. So, you know, you get on the phone, and I kept changing and changing. And I finally figured out they would give me a social security number to a child under the age of 12 months old if I could provide the birth certificate and the shot record. Otherwise, I had to come in. Like if you say, oh, my son's five years old, they go, great, bring them in. The son? Son or daughter.

Then you have to actually, you can get your birth certificate, the kid, and walk in social security number. My whole thing was I don't want to walk in social security. Like I didn't want to walk in. So I finally got them to the point where they said, look, we'll issue a social security number to you for a child under the age of 12 months old. Under the over, I'm sorry, did I not say that before? Under the age of 12 months old, but you have to provide the birth certificate and a copy of the shot record. And keep mind, the first time I walked in with the shot record, they looked at it and they went, no, no. And I thought, you know, think of that that's what they said, no, no.

And I thought, run, you know, and they're like, no. And I go, well, what's wrong? And I'm like, well, what's wrong? And they're like, yeah, it doesn't have, it doesn't have the date of birth on it. And I'm like, well, okay, well, what do you mean? They go, well, how do I know that this shot record goes with this birth certificate? And I went, well, it's the same name. He goes, yeah, but it doesn't have the same date of birth.

And I went, I mean, like, like, that's just silly. And I was like, okay, they go, yeah, you're going to have to go back to the dollar. and have him put down. I said, okay, no problem. Boom, walk, drive straight back to my house, reprint the whole thing up, add a date of birth in there, come back, go to another social security office, walk in, boom, hand it. And they're like, boom, boom, boom.

Okay, yeah, sure. We'll go ahead and issue it. Boom, print it right up. So, I mean, it was a whole process of just calling and calling and calling and calling and calling until eventually I found the formula and then I convinced them. So that whole social network, to me, look, anything's possible if you just keep making calls. that's true you know you just keep going and going and going it's like my dad used to say you can get in touch with anybody within five phone calls like if you want to talk to the president of you know

whatever the United States like you call somebody you think might know then he calls somebody well I can't but you know my buddy Bob Bob knows so-and-so who's the director of such and such and such you call him then he says well you know what I've actually spoken to him once or twice but he wasn't president you know you need to talk to said then you talk to them he's You'll get up the chain if you can just get that person on the phone, but eventually you say you can get to anybody. Now, is that true? I don't know. But I do know that if you just keep making phone calls and keep altering the story, eventually you social engineer yourself into a position where you can figure out whatever you want. Is that what you define social engineering? What did you think it was? Like determining who lives where and who's in certain classes, like the bridesmaids? I just, huh? I assume social engineering is using people to figure out. a scheme or figure out a certain thing, what do you consider social engineering? That's what I thought it was. Thoughts on general social engineering techniques that worked for you and how you approach

social engineering. Yeah. I mean, I kind of assume using people to try and figure out how to do something. That's what I think it is. I mean, I could be wrong. Am I wrong, Kobe? Okay. Oh, well, maybe I'm wrong.

I'm the odd man out. Which is what I'm going with. Okay. All right. So are we done with this? Are we wrapping this up? Well, I mean, you asked me mine. So mine would.

Oh, what is yours? Well, mine would have been like, what class of people are forgotten? What class of people whose identities are just sitting there and absolutely of no use? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, where there's no like repercussions. These people have no complaints, you know? And if they get a warrant, they don't give a damn.

It was like the homeless people. Like, for me, but you changed, you could change them up and, and somehow some people would look at them as victims. I don't know. They probably look at prisoners as victims or maybe, I don't know. Yeah, people don't care what happens to prisoners. Like, I knew, how many guys did, I knew guys that, like, would go to prison and people would literally, I knew guys that literally their family members quit claim deeded their houses out of

their names. Yes. And then sold the house. and then kept like made like 30 grand and kept the money and then those guys would file police reports with the police saying look this person stole my house or this person went into my house and took all my stuff and then

and then had a huge garage sale and sold everything and kept the money like they ripped me off because I was in prison and like the cops are just like okay we don't care like you're just some scumbag in prison I don't care that you just got ripped off but this person just stole from me they're like I don't care you're a prisoner they don't care absolutely so yeah

I don't think they allow us to do police reports. It's just... Yeah, these guys would do it over, like they'd write letter after a letter, and they'd write the whole thing up, and they just could care less. They could care less. Forge my name and, but, oh, well.

Yeah, I don't care. I'm not going on my way to try and help you. That guy, he made $30,000. Good for him. Unfortunately, and that was my thought process. My social engineering. Okay. All right.

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