Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - INSIDE THE MIND OF.A CRIMINAL w/ZACH

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Matt and Zach answer subscriber questions.

Because a normal person would have been like, wow, you know what? I cannot put myself in this position again. I got lucky and I will not do that again. And I'm going to stop from now and I'm going to go get a regular job. I'm just going to live off the money that I have. That's a normal person. You know what my thought process was? That's right, bro.

I'm that good. Yeah. Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with Zach. Yes, sir. And we're going to be answering, what do you call? Viewer questions? Viewer, we're going to be answering viewer questions that people, that obviously viewers have left for Zach and I. So, go ahead.

I think most of these questions are for you. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't. Some of them say Zach. I know some of them. Yeah, one or two of them, I mean, you know, but you bring me in, you bring me in to answer two questions. I'm answering the two questions and I'm leaving.

Okay. We're going to do another video. All right. All right. So, question number one. It says, how does a regular person stay away from being scam? I mean, who picked that one? Did you pick that one?

Yeah, I picked it. What? How does it? What do you mean? If it's too good to be true, it's not true. I mean, it's like, you're thinking, okay, so I'm, their question probably is how do they avoid being a victim? Not being, well, I don't know. Yeah.

Maybe it is like, like scam, like, hey, if you get me $50, you know, like, there was a thing going around where they had this group where. where you had to get like 13 people to give $50. And if you got 13 people and each of those 13 people got 13 people, then you'd end up getting like $2 or $3,000 at the end of the week once. It was just like a pyramid scam going on. Right. Is that what you're saying? Like that sounds too good to be true.

It could be anything. Like most of the people like the loan officers and lawyers and stuff where I would walk in and give them my documents and give them this and just go through the motions, a lot of them said, man, I felt like something was wrong. Like I, like, you know, like, remember the lawyer that recognized me? We were doing the closing. He'd seen my picture. Right.

My wanted poster was in the back room. He saw my picture. He came, sat down, started disclosing, and I started to sign, or I, I wasn't signing, but he just started disclosing. He goes, he looked at me and goes, huh. He goes, can you hold on a second? Sure. Got up, walked back, looked at the poster.

but it said like that I was wanted out of like Atlanta Georgia or something and he said and he said looked at the application it said that I had just come here from Florida and he looked at and he went and it said that I'd worked for this company for five years and he goes oh can't be the same guy like for some reason that made sense to him even though it said identity theft you know wire fraud bake fraud like you know passport fraud like all these different things he's like yeah must be walk back disclosed I walked out with a check for like $150,000 or something. Nice. So what I'm saying is afterwards, when the Secret Service showed up to talk to him,

he said, man, I felt like something was wrong. I just, and a lot of times these guys, when they get scammed and they're being told, hey, send, you know, the IRS called them and said, you owe $1,500 if you don't pay us right now. You know, like they make them go to Walmart and get a Walmart card and put money here and wire us money here. And it's like, that amazes me that works. That that works. And then so what's funny. is those people were like, I felt like something was wrong. Like your intuition told you something

was wrong. There's nothing wrong with checking. Like, why didn't you check? You know, I don't know. He said not to hire, not to hang up the phone. Yes. And they're going to stay on the phone with you while you go to Walmart. And you're going to pay their company. It's like basically if you didn't pay, you get arrested. I don't understand why you felt so much pressure. Like, I'm going to do it. Yeah, but if you don't do it, you're going to get arrested. So I'm going to stay on the phone with you. Like, why do you care if I do it or not? Right. Yeah, it doesn't. The thing is, is like a lot of times it's intuition. A lot of times if it's too good to be true, right? Like it's an investment opportunity. Like, I'm sorry, there's just very few. Like, first of all, if it's an investment

where, hey, I can make 300% on my, on my investment, great. Well, you have to understand if you can make 300% on your investment, you also have to understand that there's about a 95% chances you'll just lose your whole investment. And that's a legitimate investment. And that's a legitimate investment. where if I'm investing in, let's say, a startup, I'm going to give you $50,000. Well, only, you know, like one in 10, more like one in 20 startups actually pay off. Right. So you've got like a 90 to 95% chance you're going to lose your entire investment. So, you know, but if I hit, I'll hit big.

Great. Well, it's the same thing with this scam sounded too good to be true. And you lost your investment. You know, it's too good to be true. Right. But, okay, so think of Bernie Madoff. So that was see that's a good scam because he didn't pay outrageous returns he paid slightly more than the the norm than what the NASDAQ so they come along later and say that like how was he getting more than what everybody else was getting right but it wasn't outrageously more it was like eight to 12 percent and the market was more it was more but people you know I don't know you know another thing another big. thing is there was a guy named Andrew Levinson who used to tell me that people were more, his

big thing was the whole urgency thing. And one of the things he did was he would break up a, he did business opportunity scams. And he would break up a city into like eight different sections. And he'd say, okay, well, and the guy would say like, yeah, yeah, I do, I'm interested, I'm not sure I'd like to be in Tampa. And you go, okay, well, Tampa's eight, we have eight different, eight different divisions and tamper sections. Three of those are already sold. I know that we have one of them that we just sent out the contract.

I don't know if that guy signed it yet. So let me, okay, so what area first? What area are you interested in? So right now the guy's like, there's eight areas, four basically gone. Right. There's four left. Like, well, I want to be in this area right.

Oh, no, no, that one's gone. That one's gone. Okay, that's one of the ones that went on Monday. So, okay, so wait, well, what about, we got this area there? So you're already thinking, I'm going to lose out on this opportunity. People are more concerned.

about losing out on an opportunity than they are at risking their money. Yeah. With the somebody else is coming and look at the car type of. Right. It's like, okay. Like I just had a guy come in today and look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like, oh, okay, gosh, I better get this one because they didn't make 30,000 Ford Chev, you know, Ford F-150s last year. You know, like, okay, well, I'll never find another one. Yeah, you'll never get a deal like this one is your problem. Yeah, look, leave. leave and you're going to miss out. Right.

So you're saying if it sounds too good to be true, it's not true. It's not true. Right. So just take a moment and verify. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with like trust but verify, right? Ronald Reagan.

That's right. There's nothing wrong with that. That's true. And if some guys like, oh, if you leave a lot, if you stop it, stop. You know it's a scam. Now I know you're full of shit.

True. If I leave the scam, there's a good chance you call me up tomorrow and give me a better deal. If I leave the, If I leave the car lot, yeah, it's a better chance you call me. Hey, I talked to my manager. Did you?

Yeah. He's willing to knock it out for $350. What about the people that were showing up? Yeah. They never showed up. I need you to show back up. Right. Stop.

Come on and stop. You know. All right. Easy enough. All right. So this one said, let's talk. They want you to talk more about your crazy tenants and crazy ex-wife stories. Who picked this?

Like, I can't do a whole crazy tenant. Colby? I can't do. Did you pick that? Listen, these are. These are questions. I tell you, they weren't mostly about me. My crazy ex-wife.

First of all, just saying the word crazy ex-wife on here, I just got a phone call. You understand? She can never see this video now. So I usually will get the video and I'll share it and send it to like maybe 10 or 20 people that I know, and she's one of them. I can't send this video now.

And I'll never remember that this was in a video. Listen, listen, trust me when I tell you. I watch them anyway. Okay, good. Trust me when I tell you, I understand. Oh, I know you do. So you have to be extremely careful. You don't want to upset.

We don't want to upset the exes. No, no, like, yeah. I feel so bad for her husband. That dude's doing some hard time. Yes, he is. He's doing some time. So no tenant, what about the tenants? No tenant story.

Is that what you're saying? You denying the questioner? Well, I mean, I think I've told, like, I've got a, she's got a bunch of them. I ought to have her, she'd never do it, though. Like, she could tell you, tell you the stories and you relay them. Yeah, I could do that. And we could dress them up. All right, well, I'll think about that.

We'll do another video. Yeah, what's going on? All right, next one. So I know you guys said when you were, when you get imprisoned, you, wait, okay. Yeah, I know some of these guys, bro. It's like, come on. So they're saying that we had money taken away. They said, what if we laundered the money and make legitimate investments?

Can they track that? Depending on how it's laundered and how legitimate and how long you've had the legitimate investments is whether they can can track it or not like the dominoes like they did not seize the the franchise that i had so right but then it it wasn't in my name so i don't know if that was the issue i don't it really depends on the u.s attorney yeah if he really wants to be a jerk he can try and grab every single thing well see sometimes complexity like i i was saying they they They're looking from the outside end. So when they only see certain things

and they don't understand, like, everything that's going on. So I don't think that he saw that. Because if he would have, I think he would have pursued it. So the fact that, because, you know, I got grabbed on something I did in Tampa, right? I didn't get grabbed on anything I did anywhere else. Right. And the information that they received

told them speckles of things that we done. They had no idea the scope of what was going on on a daily basis. Right. You know what I'm saying? So by not knowing that, they're looking through a hole about this big when like on the other side of that hole, they'd have got through it. They'd be like, holy shit. Yeah.

Jesus, dude. We'd be having this conversation right now with the phone. Yes, we would. So it just depends on the scope. And just like you were saying about someone where 1% of what they were doing is, is, is, was fraud and it took the 100%. So that happens to drug dealers if they pull up in a new car and do a transaction. Or, you know, if they talk to you on the phone in the car.

Like if they can associate their vehicle, they want to take it. It's like they want to take everything. I mean, I mean, look, the bottom line is like if you have, so if you have like a job where you make $50,000 a year and then you make another $200,000 fraudulently, let's say, like if they grab you and you say, whoa, whoa, whoa, and they say, we're taking the $250. you go whoa whoa whoa whoa 50,000 of that's legitimate and I can prove that's legitimate

because of this and this and this and I took that money and then they said well what about you bought these three houses yes but I use that $50,000 and I, so you can They're not going to let that happen

well it does happen it does happen if you plead guilty and you argue with them they will say to a certain extent like okay well you're right you can legitimately show where you made this money

so we're not going to we're going to let that go but once again like you said like I said it's the U.S. attorney Listen, okay, so the U.S. Attorney might just be like, I don't care about any of that. I agree with you. But did, okay, forfeiture, the forfeiture laws, and especially under President Obama, got to be so generous that it's, like, it went from, and I saw this statistic, I'm trying to remember where I saw it, because I'd like to cite the place. And if I can, I hope you put a link.

But the statistics of what they, the U.S. attorneys gathered in forfeiture like in 2000. 2010 and 2020 is like in 2000 it was like maybe like 600 million and in 2010 it was like 7.8 billion and in 2020 it was like 43 billion dollars. Yeah, it becomes profitable to go after. So somehow there's kickbacks somewhere. There's no reason for them to seize so many assets. Do you know now even if you're under investigation or accused, they can see an asset and you really they don't have to give it back it's um it's unbelievable listen the the forfeiture laws

now they want everything if they can if you do something in your house if i call you from my house phone they're like we want your house you made you made the criminal call to matt well i understand it's that liberal but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing going to do that every time okay okay well i'm saying in in general um if you can prove i made this is legitimate money. I bought this asset with that money. You can see the money went in the bank. You can see that. Like there's certain things they'll say, okay, well, we can't grab that. It's legitimate. Like you legitimately made the money to grab it. They act like it's un... Well, I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that most of the U.S. attorneys are not going to go out of

their way. Like, you can argue in front of the judge and argue your honor this. And if the judge is going to be like, okay, well, I do, look, he did make that legitimate. What are you doing? Like, what I'm saying is most time when you plead guilty, you're so desperate to get a decent sentence. you're ready to sign over everything. Yes. Because you're thinking it will help you with your sentence. But the truth is it doesn't really help you. Like most of the time, if you sit there and say,

I'm not giving you this, I'm not giving that, I'm not this. I'll plead guilty, but I'm not doing this. You know, a lot of times you can argue. And because giving all that stuff typically doesn't help you anyway. Right. So the other thing I want to say is, look, if you take fraudulent money and buy and turn it into a legitimate business, they can go after that business.

right correct okay but a lot of times they won't they may not necessarily go after it because it requires a lot on there if they're not getting help and getting you to sign it over typically they're they may not go after it they may or may not okay you're going to say we have difference of opinion yes we do because you're citing the letter of the law and they understand but a lot of times they'll skate the the letter or the skirt skate I don't know Whatever. They'll get around the letter of the law just by saying, do this. You're going to plead guilty, but to plead guilty, you have to do this.

So you're, oh, okay. The truth is, the law says they can't do that, but you just agreed to do it because you wanted to get, you wanted to plead guilty and get a decent, you thought you were going to get a decent sentence, and you thought it was going to help you. So we have a difference of opinion on that. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. So I think, regardless, they can take your business if you use fraudulent proceeds to do it with. They can take it. And I say, will they?

You say they will every time. They will. They will. They will say it's, I want to think of the term that they use when they think it's so inter, intricate, I'm going to get it. Interwoven? Yeah, interwoven. It's something in, oh, interwoven that they can't separate out the legal funds from the illegal funds. And they're going to take it. Or if you had any activity in whatever vehicle or whatever, they, they, they, their, their goal is take, take, take, take, take. right you know that that's the first thing we can seize whatever property you have okay all right so anyway i don't think i got spared that like unbelievably well i don't think we answer that question at all all right good for us all right given all the time and effort cleverness you guys dedicated to make fraud and an art forum in retrospect what could you have applied all those skills to do legally come on what what why

why why people do this you're trying to make me feel bad these are our viewers these are our viewers First of all, I actually am doing something. You know what I should have been doing? I should have been painting and writing the whole time. But I really didn't really work on my writing skills until I went to prison. So really I had the time to hone that crap. You weren't passionate about.

What were you out passionate about over like, oh my God, dude, that's brilliant. Prior to prison? Yeah. Like what would you have found brilliant prior to prison to write about? A love story? I mean, I don't, I liked crime movies and stuff

before I went to prison. You know, I did. So I even wrote a book called this. I don't think Logan's run is crime. But I wrote the associate. I wrote a story called The Associates when I was before prison. Showed it John Grisham, but go ahead.

I wrote it before him. Oh, okay. And it's a different story. So, I mean, I would say, I don't know, I would say fucking, I would say art or, or. An art story? No, art, I mean, just write.

The same thing I'm doing now only the difference is then I was trying to make money and making money was more important than following what I was passionate about. And now I write, wrote when I was in prison, and I paint. For example, I painted all of these paintings and they're all for sale. That's what we got to do. We've got to do a little commercial. We'll have to do a commercial and just embed it. You know, that way I don't have to do that. Like you just, it'll just show up and it would be different so yeah so anyway there'll be a link there'll be a link in the description where you can contact me uh if you want to if you want to buy a painting they're they're going for like 285 and i ship

them to you that's a deal is shipping included shipping is included if you're in the continental united states and if you're not in the continental well then you have to pay extra i mean like if you're in if you're in australia and it's going to cost a hundred and ten dollars to ship it to you i'm not paying that okay fair enough all right hopefully they won't get that in the um yeah i mean What could we have legally done? I don't know. I could have probably stuck with real estate. If I'd been patient, if I'd just been patient and stuck with real estate,

I probably would have done well in real estate and then lost everything during the 2008 crisis, you know, crash, whatever. Crisis. It's what do they call it, the 2008 crisis? Crisis. Yeah. So I probably would have lost everything then anyway. So what does it matter?

I think I could have like warmed my way back into maybe training or teaching. Yeah. I always have a passion for, or speaking. I mean, you were already on your way. You were with the Tony Robbins thing Like you could have turned that into a whole thing Well yeah Had you not been committing crimes

Well yeah But had you not been committing crimes You would have never met Tony Robbins either It's a big circle Yeah it is scary It's scary it is It is

That opened up a doorway That I would have never imagined exists All right talk about Bandman Kivo Money Man and Rich Wayne You picked these right Colby did you pick All of them

We just said we're going to Okay. Well, I mean, I mean, like, what we, what that is, that's basically saying we should do a reaction video to those. So we will. At some point, we'll watch one of those. A couple of the people that I talked to that were in with us and out, like my friend, they watched those videos. Like, man, this guy is, I mean, he's telling you how to make it, man. And you know, like he's speaking my language. Like, so they're giving dreams to thugs. Right. Well, it's like when I taught the real estate class and every guy that left the real estate class thought they were on. go out and start flipping houses and make millions. Yes. And it's like I get them hyped up and everything. And if they had a little bit of experience and maybe they could do it, but you can't.

First of all, a lot of the stuff that he says is, you know, it's inaccurate because a lot of it, it's basically like you have to lie on the application. You have to like, he doesn't tell you that when they ask you like your job, you have to basically say you've been on the job five years or three years or two years. You have to say you make like $85,000 a year. Like you can't sit there and say, you know, you've been on the job, what, you know, unemployed. You can't, you know, you can't be honest about it or you can't say, you know, street pharmacist. Yeah, exactly. Drug deal. Like you can't, you're already committing fraud while

you're filling out the application. And then the whole where they talk about putting the money in the bank and then borrowing against the money and then taking that money and put it in another bank. And, you know, doing this over and they start, they have all these little tactics. But every time that you go to do certain things, you're constantly kind of lying about this. And they, not that they don't work. People do work. I understand they work. Right. But you're also committing fraud on a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them, you're kind of committing fraud. And it takes time. Yeah. Let's say you do it all legitimately. You really have a job. You really put all the correct information down. And you really do it. It takes time. And I always

love it like they'll build up to where you can borrow like 200,000 or 300,000. It's like, but what are you going to do with that money? Like you're excited because you borrowed $300,000 from like three different banks or $100,000 from three different banks. You got $300,000. What are you going to do with the money? Like basically what he's saying is like they'll be different. Some of these guys will be like, yeah, yeah, now you got the money. You can do whatever you want with the money. No, you have to repay the money. Like basically, you're setting them up for foreclosure. I mean, I'm sorry, for bankruptcy or collections. And that's fine. But if you go into that scenario with that in mind, you're committing fraud. You say, well, I'm going to get

the money. I'm never going to make a payment. Well, that's fraud. I'm not saying you'll get, you'll get prosecuted. You may not get prosecuted. You may not get prosecuted. You may may or may not, but the truth is, a lot of these little schemes are just fraudulent. I listened to one of his videos where he was talking about putting down like 5% down on the house, and then, which is essentially like, that's an owner-occupied property. You're not going to, you have to put 20% down on an investment property, 5% down on owner-occupied. So, and then he says, so once you get that house, you go get another house, and you put 5% down on that one. Then you go get, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, how many owners?

owner occupied properties are you going to tell these people to do? You're saying they're moving in the house, putting down 5% for an owner occupied loan, but you're telling them not to even move into the house. Right. Or move in the house for a month and then leave. He doesn't even say that, but move in the house and then leave, it's like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If they don't move in the house and didn't have intentions and they got an owner occupied property, which means that they told the bank I'm going to move in this house, and they never did, never intended to. You just committed what's called owner occupancy fraud. And then you went and bought another one and told the next bank the same thing. You just committed owner occupancy fraud again because they're talking about

renting out the houses. Like your whole, like I listened to him and another guy talked to this whole scheme about ending up with like $2 million worth of real estate and you're like, you just told these people how to commit $2 million worth of fraud. That's a little bit of time. Yeah, that's a little bit. Yeah. But they put that out there and all these guys are like, yeah, man, yeah, that's the shit. He's on the game. They're living off the hype. Right. Well, first of all, they're never going to do it because to qualify for those mortgages. Yeah, they never, mentions you have to have a job you have to have the money in the bank for 90 days you have to have good credit like they never mention all that stuff well listen to be fair to them neither did you and

your real estate class so that's a blatant lie my my real estate class is good yes it was solid let's go to the next one i don't even believe anything you say i feel like one of your victims yeah okay those guys did you ever see anyone in prison get their cheeks clapped by another in I, first of all, I don't even know what, I'm not sure what that is, but what do you think that is, I don't, I hear guys say that all the time that they say like, Big Hurt going to come clap them cheeks or something. So are you saying that Big Hurt is going to slap them with your hand or is he going to make them clap?

I don't understand. Is this a sexual? Of course it is. Okay, I don't know. Look, it could be cheeks like, it will, bow, like punch you the face, cheek. Yeah. You got cheeks on your face. You got four cheeks.

Yes, you do. Okay, so I mean, well, I have, and it's too, the, when I've heard the clapping, it was to 50 cents going to the, in the club. Stop. What are you doing? I'm sorry. This is serious. Going to the club. All right, sorry about that.

So what is this? So what was the question, have we ever seen? Yes, no, no. And usually if someone gets, yes, if they get their cheeks clapped, that's not something you want to see anyway. No. Well, here's what I did. What happened was I did hear a guy. Getting clapped? Getting raped. Like I heard the screaming, the fighting, the whole thing. Right. And this was when I was in the Marshall's lockup and I was on the bottom cell and he was in the, they were in the upper right hand corner. And later we, when I found out later, like the next day they were both gone. But like the, but then when I heard what happened because obviously they have different levels or different. stories in the uh it was it was called uh Atlanta city detention center ac dc so so in that we later found out from somebody who'd been in one of the cells with the guy that got raped he came down he told everybody okay this is what happened it was such

a weird situation bro like like the guy got he his celly was a punk and he got into a fight with him where he was saying that he was hitting on him and so he then beats him up and rapes him so you're saying, you're mad at the punk because you're saying he's flirting with you or he's hitting on you. So you get angry. You then beat him up and rape him. Like that doesn't, well, it's like if you're going to accuse me of this, why not do it? Like, you have a situation where your wife may accuse you of cheating. And I get that situation. Like, I can see that one. You're already saying I'm cheating on you. You might as well go ahead and sleep with my secretary. That's right. Okay. I hear you. So if you're, if you're, all right, you're right. But if you said, Matt, I think

you're flirting with me. I wouldn't be like, what? Boom, boom, boom, drag you in the bedroom and yeah. No. First of all, is it rape if the guy puts on some soft music and light some candles? Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe it's love. So here's, maybe it's love. True. So here's a situation I seen when I did county time. Well, I wouldn't, yeah, I would say seen, you know, so, and I forgot about it. Saw. It's actually technical. Saw. Go ahead. Seen saw. Saw. Saw. See. It's saw. This is what I saw, not what I seen. Okay, you're right.

Okay. My mom would be upset about me getting that wrong. All right, this is what I saw. So I worked when I was in Cobb County in Georgia. Oh, I know, horrible. So I... In county, not the U.S. Marshals hold over? This is county.

So there, it's horrible. Like, everything's open. A different class of criminal. Oh, my gosh. It's open. So when I first... got there, right? They had, the toilets were like, you got to imagine like a line of toilets right here, a petition about this high and then bunk beds. So I had to sleep, when I first got

that, I had to sleep on the bed that's right here and the toilets. So if I'm sleeping and I turn over to face the bathroom, like I sleep on my side, I'd turn over. I'd wake up and there'd be somebody sitting right there on the toilet. Like I wake up and look them right in the eyes. Like Jesus Christ, they turn over immediately. are like hey good morning what's up joe i had a guy i heard a guy say that like the toilets were all like lined up yes and they said guys will go and sit like this was this was in prison there were no partition walls so they would sit on there so they just the toilets are like two feet apart he said the guy but no partition oh no partitions yes that's what i'm saying there was no partition

okay so he well this guy said that he literally guys would come there with like a magazine of course the magazine's all taped up you know for like a oh yeah of dirty pictures magazine it's all taped up and they would come there and they would fucking get like their their whatever lotion and they just pull that outside and they sit on the toilet

and jack off looking at the picture while you're trying to taking a shit next to them or trying to pee in the and the guy's just sitting there and you have to like what's going on

people are animals you have no idea how people are animals you have to really zone get into your own zone and ask yourself what did you got yourself into so what happened

all right so what happened is, all right, this is how bad it was. Like, I worked on the, where I cleaned the courthouse and the, all of the police centers. So we went there at night. So my job was at night. I'd get back at midnight. Like, I'd go to work at about six, clean up different office buildings, government office, county office buildings, and get back about midnight. At midnight, I would get a shower. So I get, get in, grab my stuff for my shower. And I'm the only one in this unit that came back at night. So I go and I get in the shower. And as I'm getting in the shower, because you know, like we said, you have to be in your own zone. As I'm getting in the

shower, like I see someone like standing there. Like I don't know what he's doing, but he's like standing, moving, standing, you know, but I don't look. So he's like right here and the shower heads over here. So I just go and I get in the shower and I, you know, I turn the water on. I start showering and I hear, hey, hey, hey, a player. He calls me player. I never forget this. A player. I'm like, yo, what's up?

He goes, you might want to do that a little bit later. I said, do what? Shower? I go, listen, man, I just got off of work, man. I'm going to shower now. He goes, hey, player, you might want to do that a little bit later. I say, hey, listen, man, I'm not going to do it a little bit later. So then he says, hold up.

so when he says that I turn to look and he's got a guy against the wall and he has to actually take three steps to back out of the guy like

do and as he's backing up of course I glance and I'm like holy slongs and you said maybe I should do this later I'm thinking

I should do this a little bit later I grabbed everything. It's like I was moving in reverse, putting my clothes back on as I back out of the shower and haul ass. Yes, I've seen some clapping. But I really didn't see the clapping. I just saw the exit of the clapping. Okay. So I didn't see the clapping, let's say. So one, I told you the rape, because I was thinking more like a rape type thing. Right. Also, but I have like in the low there were cubicles. Right. There was a time when I walked by. a cubicle and there was this old man, God, he was old man, Puerto Rican, didn't speak English.

God, I forget what his name was. He was probably in his 60s. He had a young punk boyfriend who was probably in his late 20s, early 30s. What was his name? Aaron? Anyway, it doesn't matter. So the old man ran a store, you know, like people, a store is where they basically keep all, they keep almost everything in commissary in their locker and in other people's lockers. and you can buy it. So you go and you say, hey, I want a honey bun that's $2,

but you give him three bucks and he gives you a honeybite. So it's right there. You don't have to wait a week to go. Right. You know, people run out and they run up a, and then he'll also,

they'll also give you a credit. Right. So then at the end of the week, they go and they say, hey, here's, you owe me $40. I want you to buy this from commissary for me. And so he's constantly just turning,

only he's making a bunch of money just doing the books. Right. So he had a boyfriend. Gosh, I wish I could remember his name because he was so funny. You only used to say? What?

He was in Puerto Rico. He'd shot two cops and he'd killed a cop in Puerto Rico back in like the 70s. And he got like 10 or 12 years. He's like, I killed a cop in Puerto Rico. I got 10 years. So he did 10 years. He was like, I came here, I sold a little bit of crack. They gave me 30.

Came to the United States and was selling crack. And he got 30 years. So in his early 20s he got like 10 or 15 years. but he only did 10 in Puerto Rico. He gets out when he's 30, comes to the United States, start selling crack. Boom, they crack him in the head

and he's like 30 years. So he's got this kid who's a punk. And so one day I'm walking by his cell. And he had a lookout, but I walked by the cell, and the lookout wasn't paying attention. And I walked by the cell, and I wasn't getting anything from the store.

I just happened to walk by, and I glanced over, and I was like, holy Jesus. He had that dude, spread eagle holding his I don't assume he's holding his shit

to the side or something I don't know and he's hitting it guys spread eagle and he's gah banging away here's what's funny about that

so I just for like a split second I was like whoa and I just kept walking what was his name anyway here's what's funny

so it got out that this is that he's seeing this guy he'd been seen it but when I say got out I mean got all the way back

to his family in Puerto Rico his two daughters fly into the United States come to visitation like we're talking immediately he goes to visitation and in visitation they tell him no and he goes I'm lonely I just I need companionship and they're like no no you get rid of him the absolutely no we don't want to hear anything more about this it's a no so he comes back from visitation he calls the guy in there and breaks up with him.

And keep in mind, he's basically just on the payroll. Right. So he's getting free stuff. I mean, he's fattening him up. I mean, so, yeah. So that went on for, they, God, oh, is his, I can think, I can't think of his name. Anyway, maybe a couple months later, it starts up all over again. Of course.

He's lonely. He's lonely. He's lonely. And it was good. You know, it was good. So then the other thing is there was this little tiny Mexican that was probably 100 pounds. And I remember coming into, I actually write this in one of the books.

I write about how I'd come into the unit one day and looked over. And there was, there's like a little 12-year-old girl, 13-year-old girl, sitting on a locker, kicking, you know how the lockers are about that high, kicking her feet with pigtails singing to like Madonna or, you know, whatever, Lady Gaga. And she's like, going back and forth, kicking her little legs. And I walked by, I was like, the fuck did that fucking, how's there a 14 year old or a 13 year old little girl in here? And I was like, oh my God. Oh, yeah.

That's not, that's not. Now, keep mind, they had three different punks at the low that had breast jobs. Titty jobs. Oh, you know, that was a problem. So Titty jobs and one of them had the whole set. Titties, facial cheek implants, and the butt, the hip thing. But this was just a little tiny thing.

Erica, her name was Eric. very popular very popular looked like a little 13 or 14 year old girl and i mean you want to talk about the the freaks coming out of the woodwork every guy that was out there that wasn't was now all these dudes are like able willing to convert listen listen Erica had new shoes of tons of commissary very popular and so one day i went into the bathroom at like one o'clock in the morning because I'm, you know, and typically, you didn't go into the bathroom after, after lights out. Like, I peed, got in my, but they peed, they did count. I laid down.

You don't go in there because that's where it's, it's Sodom and Gomorrah. And I, it's like 1 o'clock in the morning. I had to go in. I go in the bathroom. And Erica's in a shower stall with some, do you see like, you know, first of all, you saw two legs, but you heard something going on, some, a lot of grunt. And then next thing you know, boom, the little legs drop down, boom, walks, out, sashes down my thing and I'm like

unbelievable. And then like two, three minutes later this fucking dude comes walking out and I glanced over at him. He glances at me. He's just like, fuck. Yeah, bro. Yeah. I've seen that. So bad. So I mean, I've seen little bits and pieces here

and there, but I've like a full on, the full on, only full on one I saw was the old man. I love that the, I love that the, do you wow did you hear that yes of course i was trying to act like maybe it wasn't on the mic i don't know um but yeah definitely bro like i mean i love that the the daughter flew in and said absolutely not you break it off right okay okay for a little while for a little while a little bit a little bit all right um all right so hey matt i got a question first let me say i know

you guys handle yourself physically but do yours get concerned for the safety because i mean yours talk very blunt about opinions and maybe cartel guys listen to these pot what what is this guy saying bro i mean i don't nothing all right we go to the next question yes yours so oh wait that we're worried about our family and this is not a good one either um have you guys been to england what experience did you have also any european adventures or possibly scams i'm not just got back from Amsterdam. There's no scams. I've been to England. I've been to Germany. I've been to like I've been all of it. I never ran any scams. Well, um, when I was doing it. Funny, funny story. The fact I was traveling on a false passport. That's, that's always a good thing. Funny, only funny stories I have is you, I forget, I absolutely forget that our beer content or our alcohol content for beer and drinks is about 13%. And in other countries, it's more in the 50s and 40s. And so you're one, you're thinking, okay. Your pint that you can handle without a problem here will floor you over there.

You're like, why? I don't know why in there. Or you can walk into a McDonald's and get a beer. Yes. Forget about that. Or the fact that they drink beer on commercials. I wonder if that's rain. That's the air conditioner.

That's AC. Oh. So, all right. You have someone to ask, what Sesame Street character do you most identify where? Are you serious? Yes. Cookie Monster, of course. Don't be silly.

I would say Oscar the Grouch for you. Oscar the Grouch? Yeah. And I think I'm more Ernie, the black guy and the gay relationship with Bert. What happened? The Muppets. Oh, I love the Muppets. Yeah, yeah.

The two old men. I like the two old men. Oh, yeah, the heckle them from the, from the, Yeah. Good times. No, that was. That was. You know, guys are calling me chainsaw in the comment section.

Now, you know, chainsaw, what's up, bro? I love that. Yeah. Chainsaw, he had 30 years, didn't he? No, he had. No, I'm saying that I was calling. I said I wanted to be called chainsaw. Oh, that's right.

So now you're chainsaw. All right. What kind of PTSD or pet peeves have you guys developed from being in prison? What do you think? I mean, I wash my hands. like, you should rush your hands anyway, but I wash them probably 20 times a day, maybe 30. I used to wash my hands like, I was constantly washing my hands in prison, especially not so much in the medium, but when I got to the low, because everything, you're sharing everything.

Right. And I would say for the first six months that I got out after the halfway house, I felt really so would feel uncomfortable. Like around 4 o'clock and 10 o'clock, I felt weird. Like you feel like I'm supposed to be my cell right now. now like they're coming to count like it's constantly felt like I was they were going to come get me because it's like like they messed up and I shouldn't be out like they're going to come like oh Cox hey we just got something uh you weren't supposed to be released and I had that

feeling for like a year or so I still have that a little bit trust more so now but a little bit I used to have that um the terminology I still say chow oh yeah yeah and um I still say what about sweetener what about sweetener yeah sweetener I still say bump and instead of bed. I still have some of the terms. I was doing a, I was doing a, I was filling out my, a dating profile and I was like, basically I'm looking for somebody that's, I'm looking for a celly that will be down for the whole, for my whole, my whole bid.

Absolutely. Absolutely. As a con man, what makes you think this guy is not a victim? Or I'm not going to take advantage of this person. Or are we all at risk? They're asking, like, what makes you, what makes you target someone? Or what makes us not target someone. Right.

But we, but we're really, we're, we're not, we're not, see, a con man, and this is why it has to be distinguished. A con man is someone like Barrington, remember? You know, con men take money from average people. They, they're like salesmen and they, they convince a regular person to come off of their money. Right. Right. A scam artist is like someone that runs a scam for anyone that'll fall for it. Like if I put on the internet, I'm selling solid gold coffee mugs and I really paint coffee mugs gold. That's a scam. Because anybody that will send me the money, you've fallen into my trap.

Right? And fraudster. Fraudsters, I don't know. I mean, I kind of feel like they all fall under comment. But yeah, I see what you're saying. I was trying to think, like, fraudsters are basically trying to defraud banks and trying to, in my opinion. Well, you target, you come up with an idea to get money from a specific, I would think fraudsters are more institutional than just like con man or scam. Yeah, my U.S. attorney constantly referred to me as a fraudster, fraudster. He's a fraudster. Yes, yes.

Me too. Yeah. So, but a con man will directly, and to me a con man influences someone to give up their money. Whereas I think a scam artist actually doesn't influence. It's just kind of like something that's too good to be true and they take advantage of it. I think, I think a lot of times too, like I would, I mean, to me, it was just general. It was, it was general. Like if I was trying to get your information, it was general.

It was like I would run to, if I was trying to get information to further my, a, fraud that I was committing. It was I would run an ad and put it out there like hey you know good credit bad credit no problem you know home loans available call you know a free applications call and then the phone number. So to me it's like I'm not I don't feel like I'm targeting anybody specific like anybody that reads the ad and is interested in getting a loan they'll call like so I wasn't there was no right. So that was more scam. Yeah it wasn't like I was like looking at you and talking to you going yeah I can I can convince them to give me $100,000 right I just need your information so I can get the bank to give me a million.

Right. Like, I don't need your $10,000 or $100,000. I'll get a million from the bank just giving your information. Right. But it's amazing because, in my perspective, because con men actually do target people and they can persuade them to give them money. So they know their personalities. They know their sweet spots and their buttons to push that would convince that person,

hey, this guy's pretty cool. I can trust them. And I guess to pull them out of their bread. Or they make an offer that they think that they can't refuse. Well, that was the whole, like the Ponzi scheme type people that are like, hey, or Marcus Shrinker, the guy that jumped out of the plane that ran like a Ponzi scheme and he would, he ran a churning scheme too. So he would target people that he knew he could, like, he would target other pilots

because he knew he could get in there and they spoke the same language. So if you were both pilots, he knew they automatically trusted him. Right. And then he would try and get them to give. him their retirement fund so he could invest. He targeted specific people because he had a connection. I definitely think that con men target people that they can make a connection with or can show a benefit to.

Yes. Hey, by the way, just want to let you guys know if you're interested in supporting me and supporting the channel and you like artwork because I do have a degree in fine arts, I'm selling all of these paintings. They are modified screen prints and they go for $285 and I will ship any one of them to you within the continental United States for the price of $285 my email will be in the description

so just shoot me an email and I will ship you off a painting and I really appreciate it so back to the video but anyway let's move on that's it's we're beating a dead horse all right what do you think about NFTs I mean I'm actually doing an

NFT with investment joy right now I did a painting I designed an NFT for him and they scanned it and we're gonna do an NFT probably in three or four weeks and he's going to sell like a thousand shares of this NFT for like a hundred bucks a piece or something. I'm actually supposed to go up to,

I actually just got approved to go up to Ohio to do a video with him about the NFT. Really? Yeah, and I'm actually going to try and get into NFTs. My problem is I just don't have, it takes a certain amount of investing

if you want to do it right. Like you can take a picture, I could take a picture of my painting, a painting and then put it up on an NFT website, but it's not going to do it. People are like, that's what you should do. make tons of money like stop it you don't you watch a couple of youtube videos you don't know what

you're talking about like you have to have a story you have to be able to advertise you have to like stop it's not posting it and taking a photo with your iPhone like you have to have it scanned you have to have it turned into the digital image you have to have you have a whole bunch of things connected to it for it to be legitimate like really be a solid piece that you can turn into an nft and actually fractionalize and sell and so I'm doing one right now with this guy Brandon who runs a channel called Investment Joy and I'm going to do that but I'm going to try and I'm trying to set it up right now so I can start doing NFTs. It's a non-fungible token. Right. So it's like taking a so you would scan something like this Maryland Monroe or

the screamer or whatever. So you scan that and then you you come up with a digital image and you post it on like a you posted on let's say with like the the um Ethereum. has a, what am I missing here? It's like a, they have a, whatever. They have like a, let's say a website. So they have a website you place it on. People can buy a fraction of that painting. And they get a digital image, which is a unique image of the painting.

Is it of the whole painting or just a portion of it? You can actually do both. You can break it up into, so you end up with like, oh, look, I got a little part of the M, you know, but, or you can just say, no, it's the whole image. and it's been broken up into one one thousand and you've got one one thousand and so it's it's on a thousand images of the same thing of the same thing but each one is unique right so you can't so it's not like people it's not like bitcoin bitcoin every bitcoin is worth the same bitcoin right so it's almost like dollars you're inter-exchangeable these are unique everyone is unique so they can only be

a thousand and so you i buy it for a hundred bucks you might say hey i want that right and you buy it from me for $110. Now, I no longer have it, because as soon as I give it to you, it's no longer in my, it's no longer in my whatever, however I'm keeping my phone or whatever. Right. So, and you get, there's a chain of title. And so every time that you sell it, it keeps, let's say if you sell it for more, it continues to go up in value, which everybody else's thing goes up in value.

It's an interesting concept. But, yeah, so, so I'm going to be doing that soon. I'm just, we're building a website, and I'm actually working on that. and that's one of the things I'm going to do. Okay. So I'm going to try and do it, you know, see if it works. I think it'll work. I think that's it.

What are you talking about? None of these are for you? I remember seeing some that were for him. I thought I saw some. Maybe they were just asking me in the comments and not on the... Because guys are always saying like, Zach this or Zach then. They're always like, nothing? I know.

You know that's right at the time. Wait. You know that. you know what time it is right. What? Why can't they just? When would COVID be under control? No, I think that's it. Why didn't you bury a bunch of cash and suitcase somewhere? Oh, yeah, yeah. See, I knew there was like some that were, yeah. I didn't know if that was for you or for me. Um, I, listen, I, I readily, you withdrew money from banks. I readily used banks. Yeah. Like, like, like, I paid people using my Blackberry and,

transferring funds, I readily use banks. So I would move it from one to the other. So I, that was like, you didn't, you like, you wanted cash. No, I wanted cash because I want to walk away. I don't want any trace, anything being traced to me. Oh, well, I, you don't seem to have an issue with things. I didn't have an issue. I didn't have an issue. Yeah. That was it. That's it. Yeah. Thank you for all the questions. Um, yeah. Well, I mean, so, so what you're saying is you didn't, you didn't, you didn't vary cash. And what they're like, why didn't you? Because you didn't think you'd get caught, right? Yeah. Unfortunately, that was my problem.

Yeah, that was the same my problem, too. It was just arrogance and just being cocky and arrogant. And I just didn't think, I never thought, I really genuinely didn't think I was going to get caught. And even when it, because every time I did get caught, I kept getting out of it. Like I kept talking my, you talk your way out of it. Why didn't that spooky?

That's what, because a normal person would have been like, wow, you know what, I cannot put myself in this position again. I got lucky and I will not do that again. And I'm going to stop from now and I'm going to go get a regular job. I'm just going to live off the money that I have. That's a normal person. You know what my thought process was. That's right, bro.

I'm that good. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You can't touch this, bro. I just taught myself out of hand. I like that. In cuffs.

Fucking idiot. And talk. Well, what's in here? I mean, I mean, but you know, what's so funny is I did I talk myself out of it. Like they let me go. So instead of me thinking, oh, thank God, I'll never do this again. Like, that's a normal person thinking, right? Well, were you panicked at the time?

At the time I was. But the moment I walked out, my. adrenaline shot up and I said, oh, you're the shit. You're amazing. Well, that is, that is an amazing. I went to two more banks and withdrew money. I know. That is an amazing.

Who does that? That is an amazing feat within itself. That is an amazing feat within itself. That's why I felt so good. I felt good. I felt good about myself. It was cool. But you know, you know what's funny about that?

When we were doing the hotel scale, and this is what I think of, when we were doing the hotel when we were faxing the paperwork over. Right. So what I learned is. So they don't know who's committed to crime. So if I fax paperwork over to book you a hotel room, you're in the room. So the credit card goes bad. The person that owns the card says, listen, I'm not, I didn't authorize the use of that card.

I don't know what the hell is going on. And the person that's in the hotel didn't fax the card over. They know it was an outside person they called. So the police, so someone had just gotten out of jail. He was in a hotel with his girl. And he called me up and said, said, oh my God. He said, the police came in the room, took their rental car.

They had a rental car. They're like, you guys, you can't even afford this. They took the rental car, searched through everything they had, gave them just their clothes, right? He said they had them in cuffs going through the whole room and let them go. He kept saying, I can't believe these cops let us go. He goes, the one thing I can't, he's like, I thought we were gone. He goes, I can't believe that. He's like, I'm done.

I'm done. Like, I can't believe they let us go. You didn't say, I can't believe these people. I did for a brief moment. And then it completely switched to, I'm just that good. Yeah, I just, I started thinking, wow, I'm, it, I became emboldened. Like, I couldn't wait to do another scam. Like, yeah, yeah, we just lost $600,000 and I just got lucky and taught myself out of handcuffs and, and they're on to me and everything.

And I thought, well, listen, next time what I'm going to do is, like, it didn't, stopping didn't enter my mind. It just emboldened me. Wow. It's just stupid. It's just, I look back now. The relief didn't even last that long. He was supposed to let me go. The relief, of course, I'm amazing. The relief didn't, like that whole thing was gone by the time I pulled into the, to the parking lot of the next bank that I pulled out $8,000 out of five minutes later. Like, I mean, so you have to think a normal person thinks like that, but I mean, I didn't think. I look back now and I go, what were you thinking? Like, I look now and I see all of the chances I had to walk away and I think, you're an idiot. Like, you're really, something's mentally wrong with you.

And I look back now and I can't imagine the things that I did. Like if you said, Matt, look, here's what you're going to do. Boom, boom, boom. Like, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm like, that's insane. Well, it wasn't insane before I went to prison. I would be like, I don't know why we haven't done this already. Give me that.

Let's go. Like, I would have done that. Right. Now it'd be like, huh, are you insane? insane? I'm not doing that. I don't have another bit in me. Right.

I couldn't do the last one. So I had to break that shit off. Spread it out. Share. Okay. So what else? That's it? Is that it?

Unless you want to answer some, like should you invite Frank Amadeo or whoever, have you spelled his name? Frank Amadee, they spelled it wrong. It's fine. Yeah. I mean, I would love to. Danny's tried to get him on his podcast like over and over and over again. They've tried. He's tried to get him on his podcast. He won't budge. He won't do it. He won't do it. And when is COVID going to be under control? I mean, come on. What are you doing? These are the stories. These are the questions that are left. Listen, I don't even believe in COVID. And yet I got the shot. And I've been tested multiple times and I'm still not sure it's a thing. I mean, who knows? I don't know. I don't know what this is going on. To me, it was a bad flu. But they say people are dying. Yeah. Who am I? You're not the ones that are to die. You're not the ones that are to die. I don't know anything. And I did have it. It was horrible. And thoughts on general social engineering techniques. I mean, what these, that's a good question. You couldn't have started with that one? I should have. I should have. That's a good question. This is a person that didn't get socially engineered. What's his name? Let's take care of that. So, yeah, I mean, to me, you know, it's funny. Like, it's like when I was trying to figure out how to do, how to get a driver's license or how to get a social security number. to issue social security numbers to people that didn't exist? Like, it started off as, you know, what I need to do is start creating synthetic identity.

So I need social security numbers. How can I get social security numbers that, how can I get social security to issue me one? And I was like, I'll just call them and tell them I've never had one. Like, they don't know who's on the phone. So I call them up. Hey, my name is John Doe. And I've never had a social security number.

And they're like, really? I'm like, yeah, how do I get? one issued and they're like okay well uh mr doe were you born in a hospital yes i was well then you have a social security number well uh no i don't how old at you i'm 33 years old they're like do you have a driver's license yes you have a social security number have you ever had a job uh yes you have a social security number oh click hang up i call back hey oh you ever had driver's license no you ever had this no boy i was not born in a hospital how were you born i was born at home with a midwife, you know, okay.

Well, listen, then you just need to get your birth certificate and come in here. And we'll, you know, we'll see if you've ever, like they can, you could tell, you could hear it in their voice. Right. So then you hang up and you go, you call up and you go, I have a social security number, but I need it changed. So I started thinking, well, how can I say I had one, but I needed a new one? Like then I could go survey a homeless person or something, get his information.

and then get his changed. Like I'm trying to think, how can I maybe build on that? So I start, you know, and then eventually it just kept changing. I kept change it. I spent a whole day calling. Right.

Like social security number does not answer your phone call right away. No, you have to be on hold for a while. It's like, you know, yeah, 47 minutes remaining. You know, five minutes later, 41 minutes remaining. You know, you're the 103rd line. So it just keeps going, going. So, you know, you get on the phone.

and I kept changing and changing, and I finally figured out, they would give me a social security number to a child under the age of 12 months old if I could provide the birth certificate and the shot record. Otherwise, I had to come in, like if you say, oh, my son's five years old, they go, great, bring them in. The son? Son or daughter. Then you have to actually, you can get your birth certificate, the kid, and walk in social security number. My whole thing was I don't want to walk in social security. Like I didn't want to walk in

So I finally got them to the point where they said Look, we'll issue a social security number to you For a child under the age of 12 Months 12 months old Under the over I'm sorry, did I not say that before? Under the age of 12 months old But you have to provide the birth certificate And a copy of the shot record

And keep mind the first time I walked in with the shot record They looked at it and they went no No No and I thought You know, think of that that's what they said No no And I thought run you know and they're like no and I go well what's wrong and I'm like well what's wrong and

they're like yeah it doesn't have um it doesn't have the uh the date of birth on it and I'm like well okay well what do you mean they go well how do I know that this this shot record goes with this birth certificate and I went was the same name he goes yeah but didn't have the same date of birth and I went like like that's just silly and I was like okay they go yeah you're going to have to go back to the doctor and have him put down those. Okay, no problem. Boom, walk at, drive straight back to my house, reprint the whole thing up, add a date of birth in there, come back, go to another social security office, walk in, boom, hand it. And they're like, boom, boom, boom. Okay, yeah, sure. We'll go ahead and issue a number. Boom, printed right up. So, I mean, it was a whole process of

just calling and calling and calling and calling until eventually I found the formula and then I convinced them. So that whole social network, to me, look, anything's possible if you just keep making calls. That's true. You know, you just keep going and going and going. It's like my dad used to say, you can get in touch with anybody within five phone calls. Like if you want to talk to the president of, you know, whatever, the United States, like, you call somebody you think might know.

Then he calls somebody. Well, I can't. But, you know, my buddy Bob, Bob knows so-and-so, who's the director of such and such, and such, you call him. Then he says, well, you know what? I've actually spoken to him once or twice, but he wasn't president. You know who you need to talk to. He said, then you talk to them.

He said, you'll get up the chain if you can just get that person on the phone. But eventually, he said, you can get to anybody. Now, is that true? I don't know. But I do know that if you just keep making phone calls and keep altering the story, eventually you social engineer yourself into a position where you can figure out whatever you want. Is that what you define social engineering? What did you think it was?

Like determining who lives where and who's in certain classes, like the bridesmaids? I just, huh? I assume social engineering is using people. to figure out a scheme or figure out a certain thing, what do you consider social engineering? That's what I thought it was. Like thoughts on general social engineering techniques that worked for you and how you approach social engineering. Yeah. I mean, I kind of assume using people to try and figure out how to do something.

That's what I think it is. I mean, I could be wrong. Am I wrong, Kobe? That's kind of wrong. Okay. Oh, well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm the odd man out. That's what I'm going with.

Okay. All right. So we're done with this. Are we wrapping this up? Well, I mean, you asked me mine. So mine would. Oh, what is yours? Well, mine would have been like what class of people are forgotten?

What class of people whose identities are just sitting there and absolutely of no use? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Where there's no like repercussions. These people have no complaints, you know? And if they get a warrant. they don't give a damn.

It was like the homeless people. Like for me, you changed, you could change them up and somehow some people would look at them as victims. I don't know, they probably look at prisoners as victims or maybe, I don't know. Yeah, people don't care what happens to prisoners.

Like I knew, how many guys did, I knew guys that, like, would go to prison and people would literally, I knew guys that literally their family members quit claim deeded their houses out of their names. Yes. And then sold the house

and then made like 30 grand and kept the money and then those guys would file police reports with the police saying look this person stole my house or this person went into my house and took all my stuff and then and then had a huge garage sale and sold everything and kept the money like they ripped me off because I was in prison and like the cops are just like

okay we don't care like you're just some scumbag in prison I don't care that you just got ripped off but this person just stole from me they're like I don't care you're a prisoner they don't care absolutely so yes they wouldn't they don't I don't even think they allow us to do police reports. It's just...

Yeah, these guys would do it over, like they'd write letter after a letter, and they'd write the whole thing up, and they just could care less. They could care less. Forge my name, and, oh, well. Yeah, I don't care. I'm not going out of my way to try and help you.

That guy, he made $30,000. Good for him. Unfortunately, and that was my thought process. My social engineering. Okay. All right. We're done? Oh, hey, this is Matt Cox,

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