Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Inside the Mob: Gene Borrello Exposes Joey Merlino, Vlad TV & Mafia Secrets

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Starting point is 00:00:51 When I went on the Vlad TV show, they edited it. Listen, guys, it was a hundred times worse than what he put out. The guy put work and he definitely was a gangster. But I have DMs from all Philadelphia people. They give me so much dirt on this guy. They did a whole show on me. I'm waiting for him to do rat of the month on me. I'm going to tell you why he won't.

Starting point is 00:01:07 I was going to say, so when you and a Merlino sitting down? Well, that's, well, I've heard this before. Yeah, it was so. Well, let's talk first about the Merlino thing. Absolutely. Everybody waits for that when I sit down. Before you mentioned it when you walked in, Wade had told me that he said, well, you know, there's an issue with the Merlina right now in him. And I was like, well, it's big.

Starting point is 00:01:28 It's huge. It's the only, where the beef is so big, right on the internet. So bad. So what started that? You didn't hear what he said. He did say a funny thing. I'm not going to lie. He goes, I want to give a, make sure everybody's safe for the storm.

Starting point is 00:01:40 Everybody, except for Borrello. He goes, except for Borrello. Out of everybody, this guy beeps with. I'm on his mind 24-7. He's talking about everybody. And I'll go, except for Borrella. He goes, because he just always got some with me because I bring up things that he don't like.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Well, what was, was there a catalyst this time? Because at one point, there was an issue in the next? sort of dying down and then it should what it should back up? Because he can't, because what happened was we were going at each other. He, we were going at each other. And what had happened was that he said something of the nature that, what did he say about me? Oh, he talked about me, Sammy and my cousin, Anthony. You what?

Starting point is 00:02:18 He talked about me, my cousin and Sammy Gavano. We took a picture together. Okay. And he was calling us rats and all that stuff. Look at these fucking. And then I says, oh, well, tell him to go worry about his wife who's getting banged by his friends while he's jail. And that set, he lost it because it's the truth. Right. That's the truth. They found a guy under her bed when they raided the house looking for the guy with the one leg. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a true story.

Starting point is 00:02:40 So I'm giving facts. You know what I mean? You're just talking, I'm giving you things that are hurting your feelings. So what I had to explain to everybody in Philadelphia is that you're messing with the worst kid because I'm never going to stop. I'm relentless. I'm relentless. It don't matter. I beef with the worst guys in the five boroughs. I love this stuff. So what you're doing is you're feeding the monster. You're feeding the monster. So when you come at me, I want this. I like it. So let's go.

Starting point is 00:03:04 Let's have fun. So I wouldn't stop now. So it kept him just going. And then he did. They did a whole show on me. Did he do like what rat of the month or something? Oh, they did a whole thing. I'm waiting for him to do rat of the month on me.

Starting point is 00:03:15 Honestly, because let's face it. He won't. I'm going to tell you why he won't because he was hanging out with you and he will deny it. And he was sitting with you. And he probably knew that you were no good the whole time and he was sitting with you. So that's why he denies it. Because there's a lot of guys. I didn't reach out to me.

Starting point is 00:03:27 So he was hanging out with them. He knew they were cooperators and he still was hanging out with them. So he won't bring you up. That's why. That's disappointing. Because here's the thing. Like, he can get, like, I've got stuff on me just being brutal about it. Matthew, I'm friends with the guy that sat with him every day for three years and he says he

Starting point is 00:03:43 don't know who the guy is and doesn't know who he is. He's on his wiretaps for three. John Rubio had this guy on wiretaps for three years and claims. I don't even know who he is. I never spoke to him. I've spoken to him. Right? Thousands and thousands of hours of recordings of them hanging out in Florida together, partying.

Starting point is 00:03:58 And, well, I was going to say, and just in general and being on YouTube in general. Like, it's just, you're supposed to deny everything. And, you know, his, his groupies are like, you know, oh, well, he, he never admits that there is, that there is the mob. He never says, like, oh, let you finish and I'll go again. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're splitting hairs here. He's on YouTube. He's, I'm going to break this down for your fans.

Starting point is 00:04:19 All right. Yeah. So what I'm going to break down for you is, so when you're in that mob life, right, I broke the code. Everyone knows that. I cooperated. Any guy to cooperate on the internet. You're sitting on YouTube. You're a cooperator.

Starting point is 00:04:30 Even if you didn't make a deal with the government. Okay, even if you didn't do a proff or anything, mafia rules. He's 60-something years old. He goes back to the old school days, pretty much. He came up in the heyday. I'll give him his credit. The guy put work in, he definitely was a gangster. But with the mob life, let me break this down to you, Matt.

Starting point is 00:04:48 You could do one wrong thing. Look, one little thing. Everything you worked for is gone. Right. It don't matter if you're the biggest hitman in the world. You could have killed 60 guys. You do one thing to make them look bad or anything resemble a rat or anything. Your career's over.

Starting point is 00:05:03 It don't matter what you did. Look how vicious I was in the street. I had a reputation you couldn't imagine. It don't matter. You do one little thing. Your life's over. He knows he was a boss. He set rules, bro.

Starting point is 00:05:14 You know you cannot do. No internet. No social media. No Instagram. Those are real rules. We weren't allowed to have social media. No Instagram. When I was in that life, you couldn't post.

Starting point is 00:05:23 My friend, my permission, almost got killed for putting a picture up on Instagram. He was a made guy. He put up a picture like this. like a modeling picture. They were trying to have him killed. You cannot do that. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:33 So don't sit here and tell me that you don't know what you're doing. You cannot shelf yourself. Right. You cannot do that. You're the boss of the family. You can go, hey, listen, guys, I'm out of here.

Starting point is 00:05:42 I'm not doing this, no mother. I'm like, what the fuck you talk about? You run the family. Right. He got shelved, okay? He knows what he's doing. He's breaking every rules under the local Shosh.

Starting point is 00:05:51 The five families is furious with him. Furious. It's on wiretaps that guys are like, what the fuck are you doing? Right. You're just bringing more and more heat to it. Don't get me wrong. Is the guy ballsy? I'm not going to sit here and lying the guy.

Starting point is 00:06:01 Does he have balls? 100%. Is he one of those guys that you go fuck yourself, do what you got to do? He has my personality. That's why we have the same personality. Go fuck, we don't care who's who. He's right now breaking all the rules, but he is labeled no good. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:06:15 So by lococious, notion, mafia rules, he is breaking every single rule because why? He don't care. Who's going to do something? He's like the 80s? Right. 40 years ago, he'd be on unsawle mysteries in two seconds. They don't even know where he is. No, nowadays he knows no one's killing nobody no more.

Starting point is 00:06:32 No one's hurting nobody no more. It's just going to be, oh, he's no good. Don't talk to him no more. Who gives a fuck? You know what I'm saying? But he's still labeled in that life no good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:42 But he knows no one's going to do nothing about it. I wonder what he's doing for actual money. He's making a lot of money on that. You think he's making... I know a guy reached out. How about this? I'll tell you how sick in the head he is, that he thinks he's like Tom Hanks.

Starting point is 00:06:54 A guy reached out to him and says, I want you on my show. I love you. I'll please. I'll give you money. 25,000. That's insane. He acts for a podcast.

Starting point is 00:07:03 These guys don't make money like that. You know what's money you got to make to cover $25,000? What is this? The Vlad TV? The guy's a, you know, please call him, I show. I'm a huge, like, just so happy to even talk to the guy. He goes, oh, I'm sorry, $25,000. I can't imagine anybody paying him.

Starting point is 00:07:19 Are people paying him $25 grand? I think Vlad gave him $10. I think Vlad gave him $10,000. But Vlad pays, and Vlad makes huge money. I like Vlad. I get along Vlad very well. And when I went on the Vlad TV show and I did his show, I said, please don't edit this out. I went, they edited it.

Starting point is 00:07:35 Listen, when I went off on him, guys, it was a hundred times worse than what he put out. And Vlad goes, I had to because they were suing. Oh, they're a threat to us too. I want them know. He's a little bitch. He was saying, I'll sue you, take it down because it was so brutal when you put it up on the Vlad. You know, when your fans, you have to see it first that pay for it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:53 It was so brutal what I did to him on Vlad that he actually had, like, lawyers, calling almost to get it down and he had to edit it that's how bad it was you know what I mean because I brutalized him for everybody when you went on Vlad did they was Vlad there or was it the FaceTime me oh really I wanted to sit in me motherfucker yeah Vlad's out of me I show up thinking I beat at everybody I think it's gonna be Vlad I sit down it's face time oh he did that with you all right yeah I was with him and um you know the thing yeah but you know what with Vlad I'll be honest with you he to me he's like Joe Rogan that's my opinion he's right under Joe Rogan It's Joe Rogan and him.

Starting point is 00:08:28 That's my opinion as far as, like, show was. And the guys that he has on his show are all huge celebrities. Yeah. You know what I mean? So when he told me personally, he could not stand Joey Milino. When they did the show, he was such a dick. He operated like an answer. He wanted to answer no questions.

Starting point is 00:08:44 He was like, would I pay this guy for? Yeah. And then he was complaining to Vlad, tell him Vlad, oh, I want to air it on my thing first. Vlad goes, what are you talking about? I just paid you. Now you're going to air my show on your thing? Yeah. Like, what do you think?

Starting point is 00:08:57 You're still a gangster? Like, you're bullying me? This is how he operates still and behind the scenes. You know I mean? So, but he's definitely making a lot of money in that world right now. Yeah, I was going to say, everybody I know, well, I've only known a couple of people that have told me, like, anybody who's kind of invested in him, he just walks away from it. Like, give him $100,000 to do this and this. And then he does a half-ass job.

Starting point is 00:09:16 And then he walks away. And when they're like, hey, what's going on? You're supposed to do this? He just tells him to go f*** off. My phone, I have DMs from all Philadelphia people. They hate him. Right. A lot of people hate him from.

Starting point is 00:09:26 Philly. They give me so much dirt on this guy. One guy goes, I got paperwork on him. He's a rat. I'm like, bro, I don't want to see that. I don't believe that. You know, not that I'm saying that, I don't believe you ever cooperated with the law. No, I don't think. I'm not good. One thing about me, I tell her how it is. I don't bullshit to make things worse. He definitely didn't sit with the law.

Starting point is 00:09:44 But what he's doing now is considered no good to the mafia life. But he never sat with the law. He never cooperated against anybody. But he definitely is breaking on the mob rules right now where they can say, you're no good. You're basically doing rap moves. Right. You're on the internet talking about, and your nickname to show is called Skinny Joey. That looks insane.

Starting point is 00:10:04 You know what I'm saying? To a mob guys that are, think about guys that worked under him, Matt, and took 20 years for this guy. This is who I'm dying in prison for. He's on YouTube. You know what I'm saying? There was a guy that contacted me that said he had a video where it says that Marlino, you know, was, what, basically he was trying to tell me, like, it says that he was cooperating. Yeah. And then I know, well, I know because when I saw the video...

Starting point is 00:10:28 I'm not going to lie in them. I hate the guy, but he wasn't a rat. No. Well, then he actually, he sent me the video and I watched it. It was like, okay, that's not... Like, I don't see that that's what he's saying at all. Right. He took something out of context and he was trying to say that's what he's saying.

Starting point is 00:10:41 And I was like, yeah, if this is the best you like that, I'm sorry, I'm not interested. Nah. You know, man, I'll be honest with you, and between you, I don't like snuff more than him. You know why I don't like snuff more than him? I'm going to tell you why. Because snuff thinks he's a gangster now because he's sit with him. Like this guy, and I'm not, like, this guy would run from my shadow. So from him to sit with Joe Milino and talk about, like, guys that actually really did things,

Starting point is 00:11:02 like I was a guy I was really putting work in. So when I sit here and see this fat little herb talking about like, like, bro, you're not Joey Malino. Like, I understand me and Joey going to go out of it. Joey has validation. Everybody knows he shot Nikki Scarfo's son on Halloween Day. Everyone knows that. He got work. This guy got no work.

Starting point is 00:11:19 You're sitting here just riding your uncle's coattail, whatever he is. you're a little used car salesman. You're a car salesman. You're going to sit here and talk about guys that actually did real shit in their lives. Whatever we did, at the end of the day, you can't take from what we were. Okay?

Starting point is 00:11:33 So I was a notorious guy in the street. You're not going to sit here and talk about me when you're nobody. So he aggravates me more. That's why I want to really slap him. I really do. Like, I swear. Matt, I swear, I'm not,

Starting point is 00:11:43 but I really want to. Like, he really irks me. You know what I'm saying? He's the only one that really irks me. Are you off favor? I'm off. Yeah. They hate that I'm off.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Everybody hates them. off. Yeah. Yeah. You just, you can't be slapping people. Regardless of being on or off paper. Well,

Starting point is 00:11:57 I could break the news on your show that my assault case was dismissed. Oh, was it? I had an assault case in Tampa. For what? Somebody told me they suck as private in the bar. Yeah. And it didn't go well for him?

Starting point is 00:12:09 No. I got an assault, but it was thrown away. Actually, yesterday. Okay. That's good. Nice. Gone.

Starting point is 00:12:16 So. Did they drop the charges? Yeah, pretty much. The assault was thrown away. And then, um, the guy didn't drop them. The cops just said, yeah, you can't know. He did kind of, he did kind of, too. It was like, it was a stupid situation.

Starting point is 00:12:28 But, like I says, and I just had to get used to Tampa. Yeah, well, I think in general, I think, at least in Tampa, you know, it's like, if somebody mouse off to you and you smack them in Tampa, honestly, typically, they call on the place. No, they might call the police. Oh, no, they're going to call the police, but when the cops get there, they might arrest you, but they're probably going to drop it because they're like, you know, you have out of no, because it's my background. Well, if it was a normal person, you know.

Starting point is 00:12:52 Yeah, there's, they're going to be like. That's the reason. The problem I always going to have my life is my background. So they always take everything I do seriously. Right. How prevalent is drug trafficking in the New York in New York Mafia? Huge. Okay.

Starting point is 00:13:05 Because, you know, you watch the movies like you watch, you know, Godfather and stuff. You know, like it. And even since then, honestly, where they're always talking about how like, oh, we don't deal in drugs. We don't, you know. But it's until they find that you make it, you can make $100,000 a week off it. Then it's like, oh, okay, let's do it on the low. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:13:21 Does the mob in New York or just in general that you know of, do they do business with the cartel? No. No? No. So we're not supposed to operate with them. And I always say this on shows. We're against their beliefs in the way they operate. I mean, obviously you might know some of them, but we don't work with them ever.

Starting point is 00:13:38 They believe in raping women, killing children. That's totally against what we believe in. That's not an organization. That's a terrorist group. That's how we look at them. Right. When I was at least in the life, we don't operate like they do. Did your crew, the Bonano,

Starting point is 00:13:51 gangsters dealing drugs. You already kind of answered that. Yeah, they were dealing. I was dealing on the law. We all were. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Everyone was doing that.

Starting point is 00:14:00 Did you ever, did you or any of these guys ever target drug dealers, like rip them off? That was my, that was like my bread and butter. Yeah, that was my bread and butter. That's what we did. I had a mafia crew and then I had a robbery team. We targeted drug dealers. That's what we targeted. Okay.

Starting point is 00:14:15 We would spend money to rob you. You know what I'm saying? We would put money, invest money, put tracking devices on you. watch you because we're going after big drug deals. Where we're going in your house is $300,000, $400,000, drugs, jewelry, because they have stash homes that they use, these guys in their big time. Right.

Starting point is 00:14:30 Not these little fleabies on the corner. I'm talking about guys that are moving weight. You know what I mean? Where you're going in there and there's a safe for $300,000 and $500,000, you know what I mean? So that's what we were targeting. So we'll spend $10,000 to get out of the equipment on rent cars and everything because we're going to, you know, make it back. And then some.

Starting point is 00:14:45 Yeah, I was to say I was locked up with a guy who put a tracking device on a car. I was known for that. and literally followed the guy for weeks. I mean, just tracked him for weeks and looked at just, he kept going to like the same five houses over and over over. That's it. Well, he knows that's exactly what he did. He's doing his homework.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Eventually figured out. Well, it depends what tracking device he had. There's two of them. The one where you can't watch him as he goes. The one where you have to get it back off him and then you could see where he went. Okay. I had the one where we could watch you as you go. $5,000.

Starting point is 00:15:14 You put them on track the trailers. You could actually literally watch the person as he goes. The other ones are $1,000. And you can only got to go retrieve it. And then you put it and you see where he went. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I had the good one.

Starting point is 00:15:27 Right now I'm writing a book. Yeah. I'm writing a book with another guy about the, it's about the Chinese triads. Okay. And I actually just read a book called Ghost Shadow Crew. Yeah, the Ghost Shadow. Yeah, Ghost Shadows. I was locked up with the Ghost Shadow guys.

Starting point is 00:15:44 Oh, okay. Yeah. So does, I mean, does the mob work with them? All right, so that's before my time. They were a lot. As America turns 250 this year, it has me thinking about the people that really help build this country. Not the ones in history books.

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Starting point is 00:17:27 I mean, Chinatown over there in Manhattan. They were actually brutal, killing people in Broaddale Machine guns. They were brutal in the 80s. Big hithelers, lunatics.

Starting point is 00:17:35 Obviously, in the 80s, yeah, definitely the mob dealt with them, 100%. With that 100%. Because I just read a book, I can't believe. Yeah. 100%.

Starting point is 00:17:44 They dealt with them. And they're vicious fox. All right. Well, this guy just got out of, one of the guys, one of the main guys just got out of prison. He did like 25, 30 years or something and just got out of prison.

Starting point is 00:17:52 Well, I know one of their main ones cooperated. He was in Ferrenton. I forgot his name. He was one of the big ones. He was a killing bastard. He was in there. This guy, they didn't go in too much about him killing. Of course, he just got out of prison.

Starting point is 00:18:06 So he probably doesn't want to go back. Big Frank was cooperating when you first became involved with the mafia. Yeah. He was the first rank for the banana family to have a cooperative. Was that like a big deal at the time? Yeah. We had no rats, Matt. Right.

Starting point is 00:18:24 That family, the bananas had no. Donnie Brasco wasn't a mob guy. He was just the FBI agent that was in the mob. Yeah, I've questioned them too. Before that, the banana crime family had no rats. Right. We were like one of the families that didn't have cooperators. Then we became one of the worst ones with it.

Starting point is 00:18:38 We had the whole family go bad. Right. Frank Copa, we started a whole nightmare because everybody was so scared because all the murders were going to come out. Remember, these guys were killing lots of people. So when he cooperated, he gave up murders. Right. You know, anyone could do 10 years. Anyone can do 15 years.

Starting point is 00:18:55 Can you do life? You never know where someone stands when it becomes the elf. Don't matter how many people you killed or who you are, some people can't die behind a cage. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just what it is. You know, these guys that are always like, oh, I wouldn't this and I wouldn't. It's like, bro, you've got a wife and three kids. Right.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Like, you say that until you're sitting in the visitation. And everyone's leaving. Everyone's gone. Right. You know. Or your wife's begging you saying, how am I going to take care of these three kids? What are you doing? You can do five years.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Easier said than done. I tell everybody that. You know what I mean? When he cooperated and then I remember when Joe Messino cooperated, that was nuts. I mean, my guys who I work for his faces just look like, what the fuck? Big Joe, the ear, the Papa Joe, like, nobody could believe it. You know what I mean? That was like God cooperating.

Starting point is 00:19:39 So I guess so the question is, is that that happened, yet Big Frank died peacefully in Sarasota. Right. Like what happened to the tracking these guys down? That's over. That's been over it since over 20 years now. All right. You know, who the hell is going to order to go kill an informant? That's a death penalty case.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Yeah. You know, who's going to even do that? You got to understand something. Yeah, don't get me wrong. You're always an order away. I tell everybody this. If you get the wrong guy in charge, people will die again. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:10 It's just that nobody orders it no more. If you get a lunatic that's in charge, if you place the order, it's got to be done. Right. But nobody's doing those orders no more. So they're like, No way. I'm not ordering enough of a witness to be killed. You think it's because the FBI takes it so seriously. With mafia, yeah, because, you know, they don't ever let us regroup again.

Starting point is 00:20:26 They always keep their... I remember they told me, it says, Gene, we always keep our foot on their neck. Because if we don't, when the terrorists came, that we re-reed... When 9-11 happened, that's when we regrouped. Right. They crushed us. Then after 9-11 came, that's it. We regroup because they were focusing on the terrorists.

Starting point is 00:20:42 Then they said, oh, we got to get back to these motherfuckersers. They took over the city again. Right. And they came back and crushed us and collapsed all the whole. shit the whole shit that collapsed it yeah so that's how they operate you know what i mean when you first got involved with a mafia um the incarcerated boss of your family you know big joey was coopering like what like what like what's what are the conversations that are going on like what what what is the feeling in the oh everybody was as white as the light you know people that they ever did anything

Starting point is 00:21:11 with this guy you know think about so this guy ordered 19 murders this guy uh you know controlled the family, he was on the head of the commission at the time. Right. Do you know the stuff that he knows? Yeah. He's the biggest cooperative ever. No one's, there's no bigger cooperator than Joe Massino. That's the biggest cooperative.

Starting point is 00:21:26 But as, as far as my people, I work directly. I'm from Howard Beach. That's where he lived. So his house on 84th Street. The whole Howard Beach is just nothing but banana, banana guys. Right. There's like a hundred of us in that neighborhood. So think about that.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Everyone's having a heart attack. Nobody believed it until he hit the paper. So his wife, Ronnie, no forget this. Ronnie went to the house. house and said, is this true? And she said, yeah, he couldn't believe it. He's like, there's no way. No way. Like, nobody believed it. You know what I'm saying? Like, get the, until it hit the front page of the paper that everyone believed it. But the wife told Ronnie, no, it's true. He's like, there's no way. There's no way. There's no way. There's no way. I don't know why that reminds

Starting point is 00:22:06 me of that, that's of the scene in a... But wait, I'll tell you, Al Di Arco cooperated. He was a boss. Sammy Gravano, obviously, he was a boss. He cooperated. The boss of Cleveland, cooperated, many bosses cooperated, but Joe Messino's probably the highest ranking boss that ever cooperated. You know what I mean? Because he was the boss of all bosses at almost the one time. It makes me think of the Donnie Brasco thing when they go in and they tell them that Donny Brasco is a, you know, is FBI and they're like, no, and they show them pictures. Well, a lot of people died over that. You know, and you got to think about it. The FBI knew they were going to get people. You know what's crazy about it? And I know they don't care because

Starting point is 00:22:42 he's all vicious people. The FBI knew for this guy being in that family that Sonny Black was dead. Lefty was going to die. Mirror was going to die. They knew they were getting people killed. Right. They would, people died. So many people died over him being in that crew. It wasn't like they just went to jail. They were killed. Sunny Black got his hands chopped off for shaking

Starting point is 00:23:01 the hands of an agent. You know what I'm saying? They knew what was going to come with this. They don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? They knew people were going to die behind him going in that circle. Don't they go in, though, and kind of like, to wash their hands of it. Don't they kind of go in and say, look, we'll give you an opportunity to cooperate. We'll get you into witness production. Back then, I don't even think they gave a fuck.

Starting point is 00:23:17 No? They hated. You understand something, you know, and I can't disagree with them. They were serial killers, these guys. Right. They were butchers. Oh, you see. I mean, if you watched it, and I know I only have the movies to go by, right?

Starting point is 00:23:29 Fucking butchers. But if you look at like Goodfellos, like fucking. That's real stories. That's my neighbor. They're butchers. My grandpa grew up a time eating these guys. You guys were going banks like they were in the West. These guys were serial killers.

Starting point is 00:23:39 So the agents really, then the day is like, all right, you know, they're going to get killed. They're going to get killed. Like they knew they were going to die. Right. You know, what do you think was going to happen? Joe Massino was behind all of this. Joe Massino got them all killed. Joe Messino got Sunny Black killed.

Starting point is 00:23:52 Joe Massino got all the captains killed in the basement. He was all in everything. And then he flips because they never found Sunny Red in the bodies. They never knew where they want until he cooperated. John Gotti buried them for him. You didn't know that bad. Angel Viran Gotti helped them move those bodies. I have a buddy who knows a ton about the cartel and we've talked about the cartel and everything.

Starting point is 00:24:13 So here's something that happens with the cartel and the cartel. with the Seniloa cartel, like Mayo Zimbada and Chapo, is that at one point, the other cartels were taking over. And Senaloa was, it was losing its power, right? So at one point, they were extremely powerful and they were losing their power. This is back in the, I want to say, in the late 90s, early 2000s. And Chapo, I think it was a Chapo or Mayo, they go to a lawyer that they have. I was locked up in myel, a son.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Oh, yeah, yeah. Henry. And they give the lawyer information to give the DEA. And he starts cooperating with the DEA, basically to give them information on the heads of the other cartels. They're allowed to tell anybody but their own. Right. They sort of cracking their heads. That's what I'm told, but then I hear that's not true. So I was told by them that you're allowed to cooperate on your rivals. But then I was told by other ones, no, it's not true. They just say that because when Al Chapo was being testified against, Henry got permission to cooperate against El Chapo from Al Chapo. Papa. Okay. Yeah, he's done anyway. He says, then him get a deal. Yeah. Because I'm done anyway. You know what I'm saying? So that was supposedly, I think people, everyone has an excuse why they cooperate. I never did that. But I think Henry was like using an excuse. I call. He said I could do it. Like, I come on, bro. Like, you know, at the end of day, you didn't want to die in prison. You know what I'm saying? So that's my excuse. Yeah. I don't want to do the time. I'm sorry. I don't want to die in prison. Look, I don't want to die in prison. I mean, we can spread some of this around. I don't want to die in prison. Was I mean, was I man about what. my people did to me. I had an excuse I could have used at the end of the day. Did I want to take that 40 piece? No. No, I didn't want to take that 40 piece. You know what I'm saying? So that's, that was my beef. You know what I mean? So, oh, I had everything. I had a hundred charges on me. If you look at the indictment, it was crazy, it was just me, violence. That's all it was. And then,

Starting point is 00:26:04 and then home invasions and Florida, state, federal, I was getting ping pong. I was done. Road to career criminal background. So to get 37 years, I would have to blow the judge. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was that bad. You know what I mean? So, you know, the excuses that they use they try to give me when I was in these units is ridiculous. Oh, I'm like, bro, you don't want to die in jail. Right. Just, that's it. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:26:24 Just say that. So Henry was trying to say like, oh, El Chapo said I could cooperate, which I don't believe, but he's, that's what he said. You know what I mean? Right. No one's going to say that. Yeah. And no agent's going to be okay with that.

Starting point is 00:26:34 Oh, yeah. Hey, El Chapo, yeah. He said you could cooperate. Okay. You know, like that don't. Come on. Well, he might let that El Mio's like his kids cooperated. He told me also that.

Starting point is 00:26:46 that he spoke when his father was on the run from the FBI with the highest bounty in like the country. It was like $20 million. You talk about El Mayo? Yeah, El Mayo. Okay. Henry called him. They got them to talk on the phone with the FBI. I've heard this too, by the way.

Starting point is 00:27:01 I don't buy it. I'm sorry. I'm not going to. I just don't see. You said the guy never leaves the state of Senaloa. He never leaves. They just can't seem to catch it. Like, well, obviously they got.

Starting point is 00:27:11 They got them. I just think some of these stories are very far-fetched. I was locked up with them and they're overrated, bro. If they've been looking for this guy in Senilowa for 40 years. They're overrated. I was walking with the Flores twins, my good friend. I was with Margarito Flores. Good friend of mine.

Starting point is 00:27:26 Great guy. And he told me, Wodei, Wode. He talks Wadi. He's from Chicago. And he says, like, in Mexico, they're extremely powerful. You can't even go over there. The military will run you out. They run them.

Starting point is 00:27:37 But when they're not in Mexico, they're nothing. No, I mean, I, yeah. You know what I'm saying? When they're over here, you're a four-foot-two guy with a machete. Like, I don't care about you. You know what I'm saying? Like, in Mexico. go, you can't go over there.

Starting point is 00:27:48 Right. You can't put them over there. That's their power hold. You know what I'm saying? But over here, to me, they're nothing. I don't respect them. They kill women and children. There's nothing to respect about that.

Starting point is 00:27:57 Do you, I mean, I hear you. So, what I'm wondering about is, what do you think of Mayo getting grabbed by Chapo's son and brought to the United States? Yeah, I know. It's like out of a movie. I know. That is, it's so, it's inconceit. When I heard that and I went, that is, it is inconceivable that that happens. I mean, that's, that's insane.

Starting point is 00:28:27 They're gruesome. You know, where they're from in their country, you don't with them. Over here, I don't care who you are. You know, I don't mean none of me. Over there, they, they operate differently. They're hanging women from bridges. They're doing horrific things. It's brutal.

Starting point is 00:28:41 It's not even like something where it's beyond. It's beyond disgusting. That's, and I always say that. because I don't sugar code shit. I don't respect that. Even when I was in there, I was like, I don't want to hear about your body if you kill a six-year-old girl walking to school.

Starting point is 00:28:52 I don't care about your murder, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't give a fuck about you, you killing kids and raping women and video on it and sent into your rivals. To me, it's disgusting. Mafia, you go after the target. My mom and my family,

Starting point is 00:29:03 still live in Howard Beach. They say a lot. It don't operate like that. There's nothing to do with them. It's me. You're mad at me. That's how we operate. We don't go and kill your brother,

Starting point is 00:29:11 kill your cousin, the golf fish in your house. We don't do that. You know what I'm saying? That's savage. That's terrorism. That's like disgusted shit. I don't believe it.

Starting point is 00:29:18 I don't like it. You know? And I'll always say that. Right. Okay. I mean, and I understand that. But I'm still saying that they,

Starting point is 00:29:25 the guy, I'm talking about Maya. Yeah. That is so, that's insane. It is. It's ballsy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:33 That's overwhelmingly balzy. They go and they grab them. They bring them, put them in the plane and fly them to the United States. Like, like that's like a CIA. That's what they do. Op. That's what they do.

Starting point is 00:29:44 It's what they have. That's the only way they could get you over there. And, you know, and then they still, like, I don't know if this, if this kid, kid, he was what? He was like in his late 20s or early 30s. Like, I don't know if he was thinking he's going to, it's a get out of jail, get out of jail free card. I don't know what he was really thinking because it doesn't seem like he had much of an agreement. Right. He just thought, oh, I'll let me, let my brother out of jail.

Starting point is 00:30:08 And that's not happening at all. No, still locked up. Yeah, 100%. You got to have some kind of an agreement. And what's so funny is it. had gotten a lawyer, he probably could have been got an agreement. They might help him, though. They might. They still have to help him. No, I don't think they're going to help him. Because he's continuously helping him right now.

Starting point is 00:30:20 Don't think it's just that. I'm not saying that. I know they're going to help him. What I'm saying is had he gotten a lawyer and gone in and said, look, I'm going to get this guy, put him on a plane and fly him here. But I want my brother out and I want to, I think the feds would have done that. Well, think about this. But he didn't have it up fun. Was El Chapo bigger than El Mara? I mean, El Mio is his boss. But at the end of the day, El Chapa was the biggest thing out. Well, it's just because he's flashy. Well, Flores wore a wire on him and they fucked him over. The Mogadryo Flores went in the middle of Mexico in the woods.

Starting point is 00:30:48 Hold on, I'm wearing a wire on this guy. The most notorious feared man probably in their whole area. You got to have you killed just like that. And they still gave him 14 years. This guy never heard of fly. Right. That's how they operate. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:30:59 Don't think that they're just going to let you, like you said, walk out, even with an agreement. This guy wore a wire on Alchapa, bro. Went to meet him and wore wires on him. And they still gave him 14 years. Yeah, they really fucked over the Flores twins. Well, because they believe they hit him. money. There's a lot of, the wife just got indicted, you know, there's all kind of shit going on. You know, they don't. But they did hide money. And they did, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:31:19 Like, I mean, it's not like they believed it. Like, they found the money. Like, they found, like, your wife's driving up. She's driving a Rolls Roy. She's wearing Minks. Why are you pulling up to visits in a Rolls-Roy? I know. People are just stupid. You know, it was a stupid on their I couldn't understand it. And then Mark Wahlberg was giving them a movie deal and then back out of it. I remember I was with this guy for three years every day. Not like just, like, just, like, high and buy. I was going to sell. I was hung out with him. He's the one to put me on to Diet Coke. I never had one in my life.

Starting point is 00:31:42 I drink them because of him. I'm saying? I was with the guy all the time. I know every story. You know what I'm saying? The only thing is that I told him, they're never going to leave you long because they think 60 million is missing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:52 That's how much money he was missing. 60 million. And he had wiretaps on conversations of the prosecutor talking bad about him. Abusing him. It hated him. So it was like a whole thing. Well, man, see, if the prosecutor hates you, they'll flip on you. They hated them.

Starting point is 00:32:07 They hated them. They'll promise you. And then. So I got to hear about this guy spending, $50,000 on dinners. I don't make that. You know, they were just being like, you know, jealous.

Starting point is 00:32:14 You know, yeah. Is the mob involved in like offshore gambling or is it just, oh, okay. Absolutely. That's how you make their money. Overseas. It's through the computer. Bet websites. They've been doing that since it came into the computer.

Starting point is 00:32:31 2005 it came in. I always remember I used to write the bets. So I was like, 2005 it came in on the computers. Overseas, Caribbean. That's it. What's going on with you right now? And like we had talked before that, you know, that, well, you've written a book. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:52 And did you option the book and the, or you had optioned the book and the life rights? So, like, what's going on? So the book became a bestseller. It sold, you know, lots of copies. And a guy had reached out to me like, I don't know, two and a half years ago. He was an actor and in the entertainment business. And he said, Gene, I'm telling you, your book could become a TV show. He kept telling me, like, ah, he had it all the time.

Starting point is 00:33:14 You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden, he goes, just let me work on it with you. And then all of a sudden, we started getting real feedback of people being really interested in it. Hollywood producers, people, and everything. And then he had presented it to a group in New York that were ready to film and do the pilot and everything. And I just felt like the money wasn't right. So, well, when you say working on it, Is he pitching it or did he write a screenplay or like a first episode or?

Starting point is 00:33:43 Yeah, we have we have the episodes already right now. The first 10. Oh, okay. Pretty much. And then people like, it wasn't just talk. It was just basically like it was going to happen. I just, the money just wasn't right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:33:58 So now we're to, I can't say the name we're doing it with now. Right. Because it's not. So it switched to a different production company. To a huge production company possibly. Like one of the biggest in the world. Right. So that's where the money will be right.

Starting point is 00:34:13 Right. You know what I mean? But you know. Is it that like the initial money isn't good enough or that the residual, the residuals not good enough? No, it was we didn't. To make a pilot, my pilot will cost $7 million. Okay. That's what it will cost.

Starting point is 00:34:30 Right. Think about that. Yeah. For a pilot. Yeah. Are we talking about one episode or is that a whole series? One episode. One pilot.

Starting point is 00:34:37 So your budget's probably not. Every episode is probably not seven million. No. But every episode. To make 10 episodes, people don't understand that. To make 10 episodes could cost $60 million. Right. Yeah, that's a lot.

Starting point is 00:34:47 It's insane. That's a lot. Because we wanted to look like the guy I'm working with was in like real films. Right. Like he's. He wants to make it look like a real. Modern day sopranos. Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:34:56 He wants to be a modern day soprano. And everyone sees that vision. Everyone keeps saying yes, yes, yes. But the money, it's so expensive to do this to where we need the production company that we're working with now can, can give it to us in his sleep. If you sleep. If you sleep. at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of night or all of the above. That's where Ghostbed can help.

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Starting point is 00:36:30 the book and seeing what they want to do with it. And it's like people that you can't get in front of if you tried. Right. No, literally you can't, like he gets probably too. thousand emails a day. I like something like that way. He don't even talk nobody. He created TV shows. This guy. How about that? Huge TV shows on TV. So Wendy, what, is there, what I already know the answer to this? Like, yeah, like, I'm like, what's the ETA on an answer? Who knows? Yeah, so, and also I'm going to, like, short

Starting point is 00:36:54 films. I'm going to be doing, I forgot to tell you, I'm going to be doing, like, a short film, a private, like, as playing you? No, or playing, acting? All acting. Different characters, real filming. He's going to be doing directing and we're going to do like a short film, basically, like, gangster stuff. Okay. You know, and then I'm also supposed to be waiting on the movie Pony. I was in another movie called Pony. I have a fight scene and it's a real film. And I'm trying to get into that world. Right. Because everybody keeps telling me I should. Right. But the TV show, if it did happen, I'm not going to be in it myself. Yeah, yeah. People always say stuff like that. No, I won't. You should play you. It's like, I was, I was, I was done this 30 years.

Starting point is 00:37:35 years ago. And Matt, you also got to understand, like, when, right now, I'm the only modern day guy out, right, for the mob. There's no other guy out that was running around like I was that could give you these stories. You know, everybody was watered. When I was out there, everybody was like, pussies. They were watered down.

Starting point is 00:37:50 They weren't doing the shit we were doing. So I'm the only guy out here right now. If there was 100-bought-cooperers right now, they couldn't give you none of the stuff I give you. They couldn't give you one shooting. You know what I'm saying? Nobody was doing that stuff no more. So I have the perfect storm right now.

Starting point is 00:38:02 I could give them the book I gave them is like action. drama, high-ranking people, everything where it's like, we have to move on this. You know what I mean? That's what people are saying. The producers are saying, like, this guy is giving us everything in this book. And then some. It's just only 20% of my life. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:38:20 And it's obviously a real story. It's based on a real story. FBI could confirm everything. You know what I mean? They investigated. You know, they know it's all real stories. And a lot of them say, oh, he's undermising. He was a lot worse than that.

Starting point is 00:38:31 You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's like they're saying we have to operate on this. You know what I mean? And they're talking, okay, so if they're talking about a series, because typically the way series works is like the first, you know, the first season, maybe two seasons kind of follows the structure of a book. But once they've built those characters, then they just kind of go off the dinners. That's why I didn't want. I don't want this to become, you know, fast and furious where guys are jumping off roofs and machine guns. I don't want that.

Starting point is 00:38:56 And that's not my plan. You know what I mean? And I don't want it to be overacting where these Italians, some of them are horrible. Like Gravesend's horrible show. Like the acting is just horrendous. No, it's almost horrendous. Right. They put Shaquille Neal on the show to help it.

Starting point is 00:39:07 It's not going to help it. The show is the acting is horrible. So we don't want that. I want real guys. I have the sopranos. I have legit guys that are coming on to the show that were, like they never cooperate. And they're tough, like real tough guys. Like, everyone knows who they are.

Starting point is 00:39:22 One guy's going to be on the show. He's like a legit tough guy known. And he's going to make it look real because he's playing himself. You know, I don't want people that are playing Italians that aren't Italian. Right. And they look stupid. with a lawsuit, cigars, and sunglasses. That's not like, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:39:37 We're not doing it like that. We're going to make it look real authentic, make it look like a real show. And the guy who I want to play Ronnie, which I talk to him all time, is the guy from Tulsa Kings. He's my friend, Dominic. The main co-star,

Starting point is 00:39:50 Sylvester Stallone's co-star, is my good friend, Dominic. And I want him to play Ronnie in my TV show. So that's like my buddy. So I talked to him, and he says that when the project comes, he would really, like, think about coming to the day.

Starting point is 00:40:03 it. So, um, where would this whole thing would be shot in, I would guess New York, New Jersey, stuff like that. But, um, like I said, it's in the works right now, but I have nobody else that I want to play Ronnie but him. Right. Like, I don't care who, I don't care of Bruce Willis exed. And I'm just saying, I don't want nobody else but this guy. I know he would play him to the tee. He plays a gangster great. And that's who I want. I keep, like, harping on that. For me, I want the child above. Right. But nobody wants to work with him. So I can't. Nobody wants to work with him. They told me, people told me, you know, if you bring him on the project, we don't want

Starting point is 00:40:38 nothing to do with it. I talk to his people. I talked to, I actually talked to his best friend. I spoke to his best friend. I said, bro, they gave me 10 names of who I want to play me. And I said, Shalab off 10 times. Right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:40:51 That's why I said 10 times. And I actually spoke to his people because he wanted to play Paulie Galino in the Bad Dab Boys. The whole Bad Dav story. I don't know what that is. From Brooklyn, Chris Pichello. all them guys that took over South Beach, the mob guys out of Brooklyn.

Starting point is 00:41:07 It's a big book. You look it out. Back there, boy. It's called, he wanted to play a guy called Paulie Galino, Paulie Guns. He was like a nut job like me

Starting point is 00:41:13 from Brooklyn. I said, well, he could play another nut job from Queens. And I wanted him to play me and mine. Well, what's the issue with Shiloh, LaBuff is that, I mean, I know he's had major problems, like psychological problems.

Starting point is 00:41:26 No. They said he ruins films. I love him. This is what I'm told. I'm like, yo, I bet. I'm like literally kept saying, I actually got in touch with his best friend. And I spoke to him.

Starting point is 00:41:37 And I said, you tell him, I would love for him. Well, he was just in fury. That wasn't too long ago, right? The movie. Was it the take movie? Like 10 years ago. 10 years is it a long time. And he had had problems prior to that and they put him in that.

Starting point is 00:41:51 He was great in that. Listen, me, he is a great actor. But they're just done with him. I can't say who I'm working with. And I'm not saying whatever. I just can't say the name yet. Eventually he'll come out. But they says that we will not have them on the project.

Starting point is 00:42:02 They've worked with him before. How about that? Can you imagine having just fucked yourself over so bad? Nobody wants to work. To me, he's one of the best actors ever. Yeah. He really is. He yanked his tooth out for Fury.

Starting point is 00:42:12 He joined a gang, really joined a gang to do a role as a gang member. He was in a gang. You understand what I'm telling you. He's a method actor. He joined a gang. They were saying in Fury, he didn't take a shower for like a month and a half or six weeks or something. They had to take him aside and say, listen, bro, I get what you're doing here, but you've got to go take a shower. Yeah, I literally picked him every time, and they just said that it's not, they're not going to deal with it.

Starting point is 00:42:37 What's the short film? And not even saying if he's going to want to do it. I'm just saying that's who I wanted. You know what I mean? Well, you know, what's so funny is when you talk to these guys, people that don't know anything about how the industry works, is there always, they're always like, oh, you got to have this. You get, you're like, no, you don't understand. Once I sell the life rights and they've paid me, I don't really, like, I'm a consultant, but, and I can consult and I can give you. my opinion, but they make that decision because they're not going to invest

Starting point is 00:43:04 $40 or $60 million in a film that you have say-so over. Yeah. You could ruin the whole thing, you know? Yeah. And like I said, when I spoke to his friend, I just said, because remember, I have, there's a voicemail of him leaving on my friend's voicemail saying, I want to play Poli Golino. I'll put my own money into it.

Starting point is 00:43:21 He wanted to play a gangster. Right. You got to look into the Bad Dev Boys. It was a really famous crew, Banana Family guys. And they were out of Brooklyn in the 90s. and Pauli Gleino was killed by the boss of the Benaro's for putting their hands on the Birdman Sparrow. But the whole thing is that Jimmy Calandra talks. I'm sure you heard of Jimmy Calandra.

Starting point is 00:43:37 He does the talking. It was his crew. So he called Jimmy Calandra and says, I want to play this guy. So I was like, wow, he wants to play Pauley Galino. I love him. He's a great actor. Let me reach out and see if you want to play a Pauley Galino from Queens. Right.

Starting point is 00:43:50 I'm the same kind of character. You know what I mean? With a bestselling book. And, you know, they just didn't want to work. Nobody, from what I was told from my people that they're not going to, they don't want to deal with them. So what do you want to do? You were saying you were just in a short film. What was a short film about, by the way?

Starting point is 00:44:04 Well, the short film is going to be just about gangsters. You haven't done it yet? No, we're doing it. Yeah, it's just going to be about like just a made-up gangster stuff, you know I mean? Like everyday stuff with like a crew. Is there a script? Yeah. Is it an hour or is it 15 minutes?

Starting point is 00:44:19 Hour film. So we've had an hour. And so it's independent? Independent. They're going to try and get it into what, Sundance or something? Yeah. You see anything? I hate to sound like cocky and Irish.

Starting point is 00:44:29 but I have a huge fan base. So anything I do, I know. We just had a 30 minute conversation about this before. It's true. I have a huge fan base. And, you know, it's crazy. And I know it sounds sick to people, like, you know, but I have a worldwide fan base. I get fan mail from Japan, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:44:43 Well, I mean, if it's, you know, it sounds arrogant, but it's just the truth. It's just the truth. You know, what are you going to say? YouTube is the new TV. I have over 200 million views on it. You know what I'm saying? I have a huge, huge, huge viewing. I mean, when I go on a show, I crush everyone's numbers.

Starting point is 00:44:55 It's not because my rank, it's because of who, how I am. my charisma, the way I talk, the way I act, you know, I'm disrespectful, I say what I want. I'm going, oh, I want to run for mayor. No, I was a street dog. And I'm over here talking my life, you know what I'm saying? So people like the honestness, the honesty. So if I come out with this film, the people are telling me like, yeah, everyone's going to watch it. Just because you're in it.

Starting point is 00:45:15 And he's going to come in at my buddy, my real movie guy. He's going to be in him with me, too. He was in Transformers. He was in a ton of shit. This guy's in real films. He was Mark Wahlberg's stunt double. This guy's best friends are all actors, everyone. So we're going to be in the film together.

Starting point is 00:45:29 And it's going to look good. You know, we're going to do a little. So, but I mean, so you've got, is it, they've got a production. Is it, but obviously it's, it's being self-funded and self-paid by these guys. Yeah. I mean, do you know what the, what the basis of the film is? So basically about neighborhood guys, I'm going to, I basically go away, come home, not liking what I see. Like a scenario against the film.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Yeah. New guys are in charge. I'm from an old crew. I don't like it. And then things start to act up. You know what I'm saying? Things start going down. You know?

Starting point is 00:46:02 And then what? Then they try and get into Sundance and some of these films. Yeah, we're going to do something like that. Hope it takes off. So it's going to be like real like product, like real filming. It's not going to look like a bee list. You know, it's going to look like real good filming and everything. And, uh, brother, camera equipment and shit is so, it's so.

Starting point is 00:46:17 He has it all. No, but he has it all. He has it all. He has the best stuff. So it's, it's all. You can make, like, you can buy off the shelf stuff and make it look like, like, like, like you're using those, the $100,000 dollar red cameras. Like it can, like, the average. The average guy who's got some experience and has watched about 10 or 15 YouTube videos can make a film that is that rival is Hollywood films. Listen, I get reached out to every day by film people, but a lot of them are fake.

Starting point is 00:46:43 Like, they're just trying to like talk to me or they just want to use me to get funding and stuff like that. So I let my guys talk to him now. The guy Matt, because he's a real Hollywood guy. And I say, yo, just talk to this guy and see if it's legit because he has a movie with this guy. And they look into him most of the time. It's all like, you know. Yeah, yeah. They're going.

Starting point is 00:46:59 Bullshit. You know what I'm saying? So I had a few legit guys reach out to me, you know what I mean? But as far as that, like, Matt's the real deal. And, you know, he's really in Hollywood world. And he could call Tommy from Ghosts, that's his friend. Right. He's a huge stars.

Starting point is 00:47:12 He's friends with these people. He just calls him up. Hey, listen to that up. That's how he has it. So he knows who's real and who's not. This movie with Tyrese. He's in, you know, he's really involved. So with him, I take his word on it.

Starting point is 00:47:22 So when the guys reach out to me, I just send it to him. And he tells me who's real and who's not. You know what I mean? So what are you hoping to do? You're hoping to become an actor? No, I mean, I'm not an actor. But if you want me to play a bad guy, I got no, it's very easy. And everyone knows that.

Starting point is 00:47:35 You need me to play a gangster, you play a bad guy. It's not acting. You know what I mean? Everyone knows that. And that's why people get mad like that worked their whole lives to be actors. I would probably get it over you because I could just be myself. Nobody's going to buy me as being the bad guy. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:47:49 Maybe like a white collar bad guy. It's like me trying to play a stockbroke, a fraud guy. They're going to pick you. You're good at that. You run circles around me. They're not going to ask you to play a gangster, and then I could play. They're going to buy her. Let Gene play.

Starting point is 00:48:01 He was living out. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, that's how it's operating right now. And we're hot right now. This genre, this true crime shit, they love it. Well, there's agents right now in Hollywood that own, that represent real, like real gang members. Yeah. What was the guy from Heat?

Starting point is 00:48:16 What's his name? Oh, great. He did time and everything. Yeah, yeah. He's in a ton of movies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:22 Tutorial. John, I forgot his name. But, yeah. But he always plays him. Danny something. Yeah, yeah. But he always plays him. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:29 You know, he's not, he's not playing a love character or something else. Somebody got killed over a movie that he was in. It was a whole big thing. The Mexia Mafia got involved. When they did that movie, the jail movie, damn, I forgot. It was a whole big, you could look it up. There was a whole big thing over it. They didn't like the way it was betrayed and director.

Starting point is 00:48:44 Somebody got killed in the film. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of that shit gets, you know, gets crazy, you know what I mean? But like I say, it's true crime genre right now. It's really hot. I keep telling her.

Starting point is 00:48:56 I keep telling my partner that this is the time we got to do it. It's so hot right now. You know what I mean? My name gets Google 30,000 times a month. Right. That's crazy. How do you find that out? I got to find that.

Starting point is 00:49:08 That's crazy. My name is getting Googled like an actor, like more. I need to find that out. Like that's crazy. My mother laughs at this shit. She's like, I can't believe this shit. Yeah, honestly, this is funny because I always kind of reminisce about this when things things will happen here and I'll reminisce and I'll think.

Starting point is 00:49:26 back to myself like six months like anybody who watches this channel has heard me say this like six months prior to getting out of prison i'm laying in my bunk going how are you going to make a living same thing i'm like i'm like you're going to end up working you're going to work at mcdonalds you're going to be renting somebody's you're going to be living in a spare room like what are you listen to me you just gave me deja vu exactly what i said and i told my mother what am i going to do when i came out it's hysterical because johnny elic got and touched me goes no i had no idea what you two is in Vla. I didn't know VlaTV's like this huge show. I walked out of the hole. I look like a ghost. He goes, no, come on this show with me. Millions of you. I'm like, I don't know what this thing is. All of a sudden I just took off like a rocket ship.

Starting point is 00:50:07 It's like, no, I want you on here. I want you in here. So I just got lucky, Matt. I didn't know what I was going to do. I was so lost like you. I had no idea. I knew only loan shocking robbing, um, legal sports betting and selling drugs. That's all I knew. Listen, I used to tell people, I told my probation officer this. You know how they come see you in the halfway house? Did you go to a halfway house? No. Why not? Straight home. Fuck.

Starting point is 00:50:28 Yeah. So I had to stay seven months in the halfway house, but I also wanted to, by the way, because I had no money. Right. So I got the halfway house. When my probation officer came to see me, so a month or two before you get out, they come and see you. So she comes to see me a couple months before I get out and they have you fill out a piece of paper, whatever. And she kind of starts kind of going over the rules with you. And she said, well, you know, last time you were on superiors.

Starting point is 00:50:49 supervision. She said, she was, you, she was, you, you stole 11 and a half million dollars. Nice. She goes, she was, that's not going to happen this time, right? And I went, like that. She goes, what does mean? I go, man, I said, we'll see. And she goes, what is, what are you? She said, and I said, I'll be honest with you. I said, I'm going to bust my ass for the next year. And I'm going to try and put something together. I said, but I'll be honest with you. I said, in a year from now, if things aren't going my way, living in someone's spare room, I'm riding the city bus. I said, and I can't pay my bills. I go, I'm going to commit a massive, massive fraud.

Starting point is 00:51:21 And I'm going to leave the United States because that's where I fucked up last time. Right. And she goes, well, let's hope that doesn't happen. I said, I said, I said, I also said, she goes, you know, it's funny. She said, I'm not that shocked by that. She said, as you probably think I am. I said, I'm just being honest. It's a nonviolent crime.

Starting point is 00:51:38 You know, and I'll be honest with you. Like, I know people get mad at me when I say this. Like, I was locked up with Sam Bainmefrey. That's my buddy. I did time of him. And I beat somebody up with him. I went to the hole from. Right.

Starting point is 00:51:47 I beat up a gangman. And we talked about that last. And I say this on all the shows. He don't deserve life. He don't deserve 30 years. He don't deserve 20 years. You stole money from a bunch of rich people. Okay?

Starting point is 00:51:59 Like, I understand it's wrong. You know what I'm saying? But 30 years, bro. I know guys that shot, listen, I know guys that little Jimmy did not cooperate, shot a man in the back of the head, blew his brains out, premeditated murder, and got 30 years. Right. Bro, there's nothing the same about that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:15 I don't go, fuck. You said, oh, you took his money. He's going to kill himself. You don't have to kill yourself over the money, bro. You always had no chance to make money. You took his life. He's gone. Never coming back.

Starting point is 00:52:23 You don't deserve the same amount of time as a murderer. Because they were going to give him 100 years. He had the worst judge. They set him up to die in jail. Six prosecutors, Judge Kaplan, who is the vicious most federal judge in the business. The only reason why he got 27 years because the victims wrote in for him and says he don't deserve life. He's going to pay us back.

Starting point is 00:52:43 And they still gave him 27 years, which is ridiculous. And I say it all time. Zandbainment free got 27 years? 27 years for stealing money, bro. I forgot. I got guys with double murder. They got 25 years. You don't get that for that.

Starting point is 00:52:55 Come on, bro. That's ridiculous. Like, even with you, you stole what? How much time you got for the money you stole? I mean, basically what's still lost? Six million. But what did you get? How much time they gave you?

Starting point is 00:53:06 Oh, initially? Yeah. Without cooperation, 26 years. That's stupid. Yeah. You got more time to me. Yeah. I shot dozens of people.

Starting point is 00:53:14 I got crazy home invasions. It's horrible crimes. But you would, you're initially, you would have gotten 40. But don't matter. You shouldn't even be in that ballpark, bro. You should be getting five years. With the rest of the two, you're not your ass.

Starting point is 00:53:24 I understand that. You owe for the rest of your life. You should not be worried about dying in prison for taking money when these motherfuckers are the biggest ganges and they rob everybody, the government. You know what I'm saying? It don't make sense. You're not killing people. You're not stealing paper. You're right.

Starting point is 00:53:40 Yeah, no, I mean. You know what I'm saying? That's my concept. Everyone's like, oh, my God. No, it's the truth. Me and you are not the same. You're a good guy. You stole some money.

Starting point is 00:53:47 I was not a good guy. I was hitting people in the hell with bats, stabbing people. It's much different. You want to put me in jail 20 years? I understand that. You don't deserve 20 years. Yeah. No, I hear you,

Starting point is 00:53:57 I don't think it was a good guy. But I do think that you and I have vastly different crimes. Different life, different crimes. Like, you commit a crime. There's a good chance that somebody's never walking the same. You're ruining their life. Would you die? You stole some money.

Starting point is 00:54:09 They'll get it back. Right. I went broke three times and made it back. Yeah, I thought mine was excessive. You die. Can you come back three times? I shot you now. You come back?

Starting point is 00:54:18 No, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You don't have nine lives. You have one life. Right. So if we're stealing money, you don't deserve to get that much time and I'll always stand on that. Always. I actually know who this is.

Starting point is 00:54:28 Why? Well, it's, I think I asked you about this guy before. You didn't know who he was. Who? His last name was Gambino. Right. And he had it changed. Because it was tortured him because of his last name.

Starting point is 00:54:38 Of course, he couldn't. He couldn't go. Nobody wants to deal with him. Nobody wants to be around him. He can't get partners to go in with him. So stupid. So he changed his name. But he was.

Starting point is 00:54:47 You know what's so funny about that, too? It's like, so in Coleman, like, pretty much everybody knows I cooperated, right? He would sit down with me. That's a max you in? No, no, I was in a, I was at a low. When I met Donnie. Coleman has a max. Yeah, they got two pens, a medium, and a low and a camp.

Starting point is 00:55:03 I was in the medium for three years, and then for nine years, I was in the low. Yeah, because the Coleman max, the Coleman pen, you would have a problem. I would add a problem. 100%. Can you walk the guard? I'm non-violent. Oh, yeah, they're horrible. And the pens, they're killing people constantly, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:16 Yeah, well, let's be glad that that didn't happen. Yeah. So, but Donnie, Donnie was the funniest motherfucker. And he would come in. He would explain he was doing these like penny stocks and they were like pumping. They would do like a pump and dump. And he would tell you this perfectly legal business model. Nothing wrong.

Starting point is 00:55:33 I mean, he would argue with you and you'd be like, your business model is fraud. He was the funniest guy. And he knew that I had cooperated, right? Like he, everybody kind of knew. You know what I'm saying? Like he knew. And he was an older, you know, mom got he's like yeah you know he like he didn't give a

Starting point is 00:55:49 and he didn't really give a shit he's 70 something years old he could give a fuck his wife would show up there um and argue with the guards his i remember his son for christmas came his son was like 10 11 years old and he asked him what he wanted for uh for christmas um and he goes a Rolex he's like you're 11 like what you're doing you know just just uh anyway uh he was he was super funny but yeah he had to change He changes. Anyway, he got out. He died a couple of years after he got out, which is really, really sad because he was just, it sounds horrible. I'm sure if you lost money with them, you probably don't think this. But he was just such a great guy. They could be talking forever. Like I said, the money crimes to me should not be getting that much time. So I don't think he's a bad guy. You know what I'm saying? The money crimes. They were all doing money crimes. The government does money crimes. Like, please. They're all doing that shit. Like, you know. He also ran. What did he else do he run? Oh, this is before. This is prior to, well, this was kind of when the Internet was just taking. taking off. He had rooms. I'm pretty sure he had like a rooms full of gorgeous chicks doing the

Starting point is 00:56:52 whole chat thing. Kind of like what eventually turned into only fans. Yeah. Okay. Before that, you know, it was a webcam girl. Right. So he was doing that. He was, same thing. He's buying expired medication and shipping it to Dominican Republic. And that doesn't mean it's dangerous. You know, it's expired. They have a certain shelf life. It's not going to kill you or anything. It's still good. He was just the money guy, man. He was just a constant money flowing. That's good. He had tons. He was still filthy rich, you know, 22 years.

Starting point is 00:57:21 Yeah, they could take your asses, but he, you know, the cash you probably has and everything. Oh, yeah. He's, look, his wife, if you look at his wife, his wife doesn't have a job. Like, she's not going, what? I think he probably did. I think he got out on, maybe got on the first step back. He did at least 15, 20 years. They said Ronnie might be coming out.

Starting point is 00:57:38 My guy. Is he sick or something like that? He's supposed to get his time shaved off. He's supposed to come home 2029. They may have to come home now. You don't even have to be that sick, to be honest. If you just kind of meet check some of the boxes. You get leadership, though.

Starting point is 00:57:49 It's very hard with the leadership. When they put that leadership role on you, like, you were calling shots, they usually make you, if you, like, they did not a lot of guys that was supposed to come on and let them, made them die in there. Usually when you're like a leader, they usually don't, they'll let you die in there. Yeah. Well, you know, look, so it used to be if you got 20 years, right, like, you're doing 85%. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:58:08 You know, these guys are doing, getting 20-year sentences. They're getting out in, like, 14 years. They just let out, you know, it's crazy. This guy didn't have leadership, but this guy killed probably 13 people. Patty Testa, Anthony said that, they let him out. He had life sentences. They let them out. All right.

Starting point is 00:58:22 These guys are serial kills. They were in Roy de Merrill's crew. They were chomping people out. And they're out right now. Do they just sentence him? Are they cooperate? No, they won their appeal. Oh.

Starting point is 00:58:31 The judge, no, like that appeal. They got passionate. Compassionate relief? Yeah. Yeah, but you're an old man now. Like, you're 75 years old. I know. I know.

Starting point is 00:58:39 And they killed all bad guys. You know what I'm saying? But it's just the fact that they legitimately killed. Like, he had 13 conviction and murders. 13 murders. He had 13. murder. Right. That's just a lot. It's a lot. That's a lot. You know what I mean? That's for a judge you say, ah, you know, it's just hard, you know. And I don't mind it was just like, they were all bad

Starting point is 00:58:58 guys. Yeah, you know, oh, San Bainment free. You stole 27 years. Oh, you killed 13 people. You'll let him out. Keep him in. I'm thinking he'll appeal. He'll catch it something. He's already down on appeal. How about that? San Bainman's already down on his appeal. What do you mean? The embankment is already down on appeal from his sentencing. He already came back down. What did he come down to? He already got sentenced and he came back down for an appeal. Right.

Starting point is 00:59:23 So did he get resentenced? He's fighting it. Oh, okay. The sentencing, he's fighting the sentencing, yeah. Okay, yeah, they'll make some kind of deal. Same thing with Elizabeth Holmes. Like, they were basically going to get it overturn? You got to look up the judge that he has, not going down.

Starting point is 00:59:36 He's brutal. Well, still, if it goes to appellate court, that it's not that judge. He's with the appellate court. Nothing's going down. He's lucky he got 27. I was amazed he got 27 years with this guy. What about, did you see what they said about his, his co-defendant, the chick that cooperated against him? Which one?

Starting point is 00:59:51 The girl, the girl that cooperating, his girlfriend or whatever she was. She's not. She got probation, I think. Yeah, she got. And what the judge said in my, it's just, this is the quote kills me. He's like, in mine, 20 years, I've never seen this amount of cooperation in my life. And I just thought of what. That's such bullshit.

Starting point is 01:00:10 Yeah. Yeah. And then he gave her like three years paper or something. I don't think she got any time at all. It's probably Judge Kaplan. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's probably the same judge. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Starting point is 01:00:19 Yeah, it's Kaplan. He's vicious. You know, my lawyer says, my lawyer has been in the business 30-something years. She's an isolated. She goes, Jean, he's really tricked, like really bad. Yeah, I can't. I had the best judge in the business. I had Judge Block.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Everybody knows him. He's like a famous federal judge. If I didn't have him, I'd be still in jail right now. He's great. He looked out for me when the government was after me. again. He was on my, I had a federal judge on my side. Right. It's unheard of. They're never on your, he's on my side. He's fighting for me. Right. Everybody's like a, so mad. They're asking for five years. He's giving me 90 days. And I'm not cooperating no more. They hate me.

Starting point is 01:00:55 The government's mad at me for the shows. I'm disrespect and probation, which I had two great probation officers. I mean, they loved me. I got along with them so well, but their supervisors hated me. So I had this great guy, Chinese guy, Kwok. He was unbelievable and so the other guy named Mike. Awesome guys. They didn't go about podcast. They had no choice. They had to violate me because I was just disrespecting probation, they said, and the government didn't like the things

Starting point is 01:01:18 I was talking about. So they just kept on, they violated me six times. Holy shit. They tried to put me back in jail five. They tried to get me five years. And I was a huge, for my time, I did a lot of work for these guys. I helped them.

Starting point is 01:01:33 I was like, these motherfuckers, I'm not hurting people. I'm not committing crimes, not shooting people. It's like you're mad because I'm making money of my own life. Well, you understand what they want you to do. They want you to get out and work at Walmart. They want you to be a greeter at Walmart.

Starting point is 01:01:46 They want you to be a cashier. They want you to work in the back room. They don't want you to have nice things. Right. They never want you to be able to. They hate it when you, and this is, it's sad that I'm saying this. And I would have never, having not been in the system, I would never have believed this just based on the rhetoric that the government puts out there. But the truth is, after watching this for 20 some odd years, the government, once you've been,

Starting point is 01:02:10 incarcerated. They want you to get out. They want you to eke out a living your whole life. They do not want you to rebound. They want you to scrimp and the rest of your life. The only way, I had two good prosecutors. I did Nicole Adjaterian and Lindsay Gerdes. Nicole Gertieries, I believe she's the acting attorney general right now in the building. Really big-time prosecutor. I was going to, she was chief of organized crime. I got along with her well. Very strict, though. Lindsay Gerdis, great. They wanted me to succeed. They didn't care how I did. but when I got violated, they were gone. New prosecutors, and they had this hard ass, Keith Dederman, who was just starting.

Starting point is 01:02:46 I worked him a few times, but he was like, superhero. Like, he thought he was on the Avengers. This guy was, like, really big. And Boy Scout. Yeah, so he was after me with the, and the agents are like, we're not organized crime agents no more. You have nobody in that building no more. Right. But I had Judge Block.

Starting point is 01:02:59 Right. And I love saying this. If I didn't have a, I had a federal judge, a senior federal judge on my side, he would fight with them for me. It's unheard of. It would be in gang. that newspaper is the judge is taking my side over the government. They go in your honor. He wrote all the rules.

Starting point is 01:03:13 But he's not being his old self. Right. I'm not going to hurt him. He's not shooting. He's not robbing. He's going on podcasts. We know what's wrong. He's glorifying him.

Starting point is 01:03:23 But he's not being gangster gene. It's not illegal. They tried to present, if you've seen the newspaper article, it was this big, on page three next Donald Trump for a probation violation, that I'm steroids. I'm taking steroids. Burn a cell phones because I was on phone monetization. I wasn't allowed to have a phone that wasn't monitored by the government. Wow.

Starting point is 01:03:43 So I had a private iPhone. They found out they put this big article up about me and Judge Block seen right to it. Like, what is this bullshit? You're trying to make them look like, oh, I pulled a gun out on somebody? Fake story. I said, I told my lawyer tell a judge, if Gene Borrello pulled a gun out on somebody and they knew SWAT team, seal team six be kicking my door in. That's bullshit.

Starting point is 01:04:04 You let me stay out. Like he knew it was just all hype to get me. their game was to show that he's still the old gene to get him five years. If you can't present that, the judge is not hurting me and he wouldn't, he refused to. They put me in three times. I did 20-something months in violations.

Starting point is 01:04:19 I was supposed to do years. He wouldn't do it. He wouldn't. He wouldn't hurt me. He didn't want to put me in jail half the time. But they wouldn't stop, bro, over this podcast shit. Because they feel we started it.

Starting point is 01:04:30 Me and Johnny brought all these gangses out because before that, it was just me, Mike Francie's and Johnny. And there was no podcast. It was just Mike Francis, He's talking on interviews. Then me and Johnny came out with the Johnny and Gene Show Mafia podcast, and everybody filed suit.

Starting point is 01:04:42 And they got so mad. It was hurting cases. We went on a newspaper. John Rubio was on the show going, we made more money with the government than the mafia. The judge called him back into court for saying that. Yeah, it was in a newspaper that he said he made more money with the government than the mafia. What are you saying that for, bro?

Starting point is 01:05:00 You know? What happened? Where's A-Lite? Like, what's he doing now? Because I don't think I see him anymore. Yeah, he's doing. The politics stuff he does, you know what I'm saying? So, like, you know, we were doing the shows again, but then, you know, we got broke it up.

Starting point is 01:05:13 He's got a podcast? Yeah, he still does his, the same thing, the Johnny Ely. It's still on the same branch of the Johnny Gene show, which is the A-Lite thing. And remember, I had the change when I was on probation because they wanted my name off it. Yeah, yeah. They were being such fucks, man. So it just became the A-Live show, and then we teamed up again. And then we were doing it for a while, but then he left the country. And then now he's just doing, like, like, like, shows here.

Starting point is 01:05:34 Yeah, if you do it, if you do it, if you start it, you have to be absolutely. consistent. Like, you can't, oh, I'm not going to do one this week. No, no, no. That's why you've He got shadow banned. Johnny gets a lot of views, but they shadow banned him so bad that his views went to nothing. Yeah, I was going to say, so when are you and a Merlino sitting down? Well, that's, I've heard this before. Yeah, it was talked about, I was brought to my attention. People said it would be a pay-per-view event. It could really, imagine us sitting like this. It would, we make millions of dollars. I swear we would. People would watch it all over because it would probably be a fist fight. Right. It would have to be like sign things where it's

Starting point is 01:06:09 going to be security there because we're going to get into a fist fight 100%. The problem is we have the same personality. Well, yeah, but the problem is you're, you are more charismatic than he is and that would really not work to his advantage because he's just going to be like, though you folk, he's just going to. Yeah, but then what I feed off aggression. That's the bad thing. So the more aggressive he gets, the more aggressive I get. So it's just going to be a fist fight. It's all it's going to be. And I can't, he's 63 years old. So I want snuff. this because I'll beat him because he's 30-7 years old. So he would be my target. I would wreck him him all over the studio. But I'm saying as far as Jeremy, I wouldn't really hit him because he's

Starting point is 01:06:44 like 60-something years old. That's not even fair. But I know it would be a brawl. And he's tiny, by the way. It would be a brawl. I know how he is. His personality, he don't give a fuck. I don't do a fuck. But it would make a lot of money. Right. I could tell you that much. What is his show doing now? Like, is it, is he doing podcasts? Is he putting stuff on the show? Yeah. But I think they constantly, he talks like me, so you get Shadowband. Yeah. You can't say certain things. They report you, you're going to get shot up. They'll take your way your show.

Starting point is 01:07:08 You're going to edit the living shit out of it. You have to. You'll make no money on YouTube because of the words that we use. The way I talk, I won't make no money with the views. Yeah. Well, and the problem is, is that where you can go to put it on there is, is it Rumble? But Rumble, you get no, you make no money on Rumble. You make some money, but you don't make YouTube money on Rumble.

Starting point is 01:07:28 They would make so much more. If they just let it be and my people would just say what the hell they want, who cares? You know what I'm saying? Just let them talk and you make so much money on YouTube. forget it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, I think they're making so much money now.

Starting point is 01:07:38 Yeah. You could only spend so much money. Right. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching the video. Do me favor. If you liked it, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified videos like this.

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