Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Irish Criminal Makes Millions, Loses Everything, & Flees The Country

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

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I class myself as more of a business man. It's silent supply at the end of the day. Some months we were making 70,000 £80,000. And I knew how to put people together. And that's why I got away with what I did get away with. So Ireland is a funny country. I was born on a farm. A lot of people I don't look like...

If they say, you don't look like a farmer. Well, I said I was born on a farm. And my father was a very hard-working man, Matthew. I would say one thing me, my brothers and sisters, learnt, was hard work, right? good work addict out on the farm of four years old, up early, you know, I got a bit of pocket money and we were well looked after, but I would say my mother was a housewife, so she was a little younger than my father, she was 10 years younger, she was from a large family of 14 kids. But Irish culture, I had said it to your producer, I said we curse a lot, but we're also

known fighting and drinking, fighting Irish, to see people with the tattoos up in Boston and New York, did you know all that bullshit? And it is true But what they don't understand is this We're very back in the day before the invasion And all did you know The English came in and invaded us We were very mystical people

So we were healers We were clairvoyance All of this And this was ripped away from us And actually then it's like you'll see the Indians In America a lot of them Not not all but a lot of them Turned to drink

They turned to drugs And this is what happened a lot of Irish people So Catholic Ireland was You have a church you have a pub beside the church and then you have a fucking bookies beside that and then you would wonder why we would have an alcohol problem it was just

it was bred into us so from an early age I would say and you know we grew up yeah it was pretty crazy for me from a young age I was the youngest of five kids I knew there was something maybe a little bit off in the family it was I wasn't happy I wasn't happy

what I would say I have a nine year old son I'd say him he's happy most of the time he's a decent life is a good life. We were provided for but we didn't get the emotional support what a child would need

and that had an effect on me from a young age where I'd see a lot of alcohol abuse going on in the family I'd see some physical abuse towards my mother and this was a common thing

that was happening but when you grew up in an environment like that you accept and you go fuck it this is what every house does so you think this is normal shit whereas the reality it isn't when you wake up

in Christmas day and remember the Subudio games. Do you know, there's like table football that you play. Foozball. Yeah, Foozball, that type of thing.

Right, yeah, foosball, yeah. So we woke up, me and my brother had got this from Santi. It was thrown through the kitchen window and broken bits on Christmas Day and the police were at the door for my father, right? It's a shit like this, yeah? So, you know, you sort of,

but Irish people and Catholic families, we brush all that under the carpet, this doesn't happen. My sister would have been a big, would have been a positive influence in my life. So, you know, we would have been waking up in the house, glass, broken all over the place, this type of thing. So for me, I've lots of good memories, but I also have negative memories.

And so, but the farm itself, we were taught what hard work was. And I listen, I have respect for my dad. My mother, God rest of soul, she's long, dad, I have respect for her. But when you go back generations of this sort of, I would say, Catholic tough upbringing, they didn't know how to deal with it. It was nearly emotionless to a large degree, whereas we know a little bit better now because we've went through it.

Only we can change the course of our future family's life. So yeah, this was from an early age, hardworking family, good people, but just a bit crazy. So I'm a Norwegian. My mom used to have a saying. She used to say there was once a Norwegian man that loved his wife so much, she he almost told her yeah there you go exactly you know what I'm saying it's like like you see other

people's families where like they walk in they hug they kiss they're constantly touching each other and it's happy and like you know that you know even even my mom as much as I love my mom like I can think on I could probably count on it's probably less than 10 times like very seldomly ever walked up and hugged me or you know there was no you can do it yeah It was, go sit out, got out, you know, yeah. Well, it brings me to just a funny story, right? So when there was drink involved, we were the best. Oh, I love you and all of this.

And they meant it. And they didn't mean it. But this is the way it was. They didn't know how to do it. But it goes back generations. This goes back thousands of years. But I remember my first proper girlfriend. It was a girl called Emily.

And I went into her house. And her mother was there. And she introduced me to her mother. And I said, you know, we were going to go out and do something. she said to her mother, I love you. I froze and I ran out. I didn't know what the fuck was happening. She ran out, what's wrong?

I was embarrassed. I said, Jesus, this is why I was. I couldn't talk. She was there, why can't you talk? I said, I've never heard that in a family before. And this was all new to me. So yeah, just pretty crazy. Yeah.

So what, what, I mean, eventually you go to school, right? Like, I mean, you went to, how many? many brothers and sisters? Your mom had... There was 14. But your mom had... No, no, no. So, no.

In my family, five, so two brothers, two sisters. There's still a lot of kids. Yeah, but in Ireland, it wasn't a lot of kids. Like, my nanny would have told us stories. Like, okay, the way it was. And I don't know, I'm sure it was pretty similar in America. So the husband, the man... There were two, two, my parents had two daughters, two sons.

But that seemed like a lot of kids. No, so the man went to the pub, right? of Sunday after the church. So you have the church, you have the pub. He goes drinking whiskey. So the wife stays at home, probably drinking whiskey because she, she knows what's coming. So the man comes home and the man's then, will the man say, she can't sign out. This was the way the Catholic church was. Right. You know, it was a load of bullshit, right? So you could have been, my nanny was pregnant every year, but she would have had to do, got rid of the kids herself. I'm not even going to tell you how they did it because she told me one that's,

It's pretty rough, but otherwise you will be pregnant every year. This is the way it was contraception. No, this is not. And like, I do have my beliefs. I'm still Catholic. Do I practice it? Not really. I have my own beliefs now.

But, you know, I can see how some of it is good, but some of it is just bullshit at the end of the day. So what, what happens with, I mean, you go to, you go to, well, I mean, they call it high school? No. So we call it. we start in primary school till we're 12 and then we got to secondary school which is high school so then right the story then so

from the age I told you earlier I just knew there was something up here and then when I was 10 yes I was brought my auntie brought me to a chipper we call it it it's like a fast food restaurant and I still can't understand why she did this and she brought me to a fast food restaurant and I knew what she was going to say

I started crying she said oh your mother has left your father. I was there thinking, like, what the fuck would you bring me here for? Now, I taught this after. It wasn't an immediate... The immediate thinking was Jesus Christ. Okay.

And she said, listen, your father. Now, my father was a bit... He was a bit of a madman with drink. There was poems written about my father and stories. You know, he drank... He'd like to fight. So, my auntie was trying to convince me. He's going to turn to drink,

and he probably won't be too pleasant to be around. But I said, fuck it. I was now confused at this. I just said, listen, I'm going to go home and live with my dad, which I did. So I didn't really see my mother. My mother stayed with my auntie. She went on then to meet another man.

And all this was very confusing. Where's my mother? So I went from being, okay, I was unhappy, but I had a lot of friends. I was big into, we call a football soccer, right? So I was a good football player. And all of this in the space of moments, weeks, seemed to be ripped away from me.

I seemed to go into myself. I wanted to be by myself so I was very again I was very confused I didn't know what was going on but I rebelled against my mother so I'd see my mother maybe a couple of times that year

rebelled against her basically hurled abuse at her at 10-11 I'm not it's not acceptable but that's the only way I could protect myself through all of this so then I was sent to a boarding school on top of this I was sent to

we have our own language it's called Guelga so that's our own national language, which is practiced in certain areas and it's taught in school. So I went, I was sent year to boarding school, you're boreding with a lot of other kids my age, 10, 11, and you're learning Irish. You're not allowed, after the first month, we're not allowed to speak English. You have to speak that or it's enforced. Yeah, it was a tough school, yeah, yeah. So, go out again, history, right? So, I didn't get on very well there. I developed OCD. I don't

know whether you know what OCD is but I was weird with this yeah I didn't know what it was either so I was going around I had to tell my because I was back talking to my mother and father you have to bring me down gloves disinfecting I disinfect walls daily like two three four times a day I couldn't get I would have to stand there

if I'm talking to you and I would look if there was any speak cam out you might I would look I would freak out I would go mad this went on then for that lasted about a year I ran away from there a few times got caught. They brought me back. So then I was still then after a year there, I was left with my dad. Mother, my relationship still was pretty poor. My brother was living with my mother now. And the rest of them had moved on my sister. My eldest sister is in New Zealand the last 30 years. Who was in New Zealand? So that's my eldest sister.

She just, she went to New Zealand or was there somebody there that she went for? I would say my sister is gay and I don't think it was accepted at the time by my mother. And I would say the two of them butted heads a lot. So she would have left home at 16 and she would have went to London, she would have went to Holland, then Australia and then eventually to New Zealand.

And my other two brothers, they were sent to boarding skill. Now they got on very well. They were just these people who could compartmentalise, brush under the carpet, forget about them. They, I would say, did it okay. in life, but were binge drinkers and, you know, at some degrees, binge drug takers when they were a little bit younger. But they could move on where I was the youngest. I was left

into shit. I was with my father. My father didn't know what was going on. He was unhappy. We didn't talk. So I'm in an environment. I'm 10, between 10 and 12, I'm not talking to my father. My sister is my only sort of feminine giving me any type of emotion on a weekend. And I was angry. I was pissed off with life. I didn't know. what was going on. Friendships had gone with people. I'm spending a lot of time on my own. I've developed this OCD. I've got sent to a boarding school I didn't want to go to. And then at, I was said, then we go to high school, secondary school. And I didn't want to be in this particular who, well, I'm wondering who's paying for the boarding schools? Like boarding schools are

expensive. Yeah, they're expensive. My father. Because my mother, right. So he wasn't, you know, and I could be wrong. Yeah. When I think of a farmer. In Ireland, I don't think they've got a lot of money. I could be totally wrong. Well, not a millionaire, no. But good enough to put his... Good enough. Now, I'll go back and let me go back on the story, right?

So with my father, we would have been up till the early 90s, Ireland was a very poor country. And then there was, we call it, the Celtic boom, building came in and then essentially everything took off. But up till, so I was born in 83, up till I was about seven and eight, I wouldn't say we were wealthy but then he did start making good money. Now never extraordinary wealth but wealth enough to be able to put us through boarding skills but it's something my mother

wanted and what I believe and now listen I love my mother God rest her soul but I believe she wanted us out of the way because she was obviously she wasn't happy she wanted to drink and do what she was down and it was easier to have us out

and now getting well educated and that that's where we were. Yeah kids are a lot more manageable when someone else is taking care of them and then they just get to come for the holidays and then they're back they come for summer and then they're back absolutely listen it's it's it's honestly that's the way I would like to do it myself but that's way if I that's like it's like it's fucked up when you think about now there was no harm meant by my mother but this was in her head and my mother liked to be very prim and proper about things oh my kids go to boarding school but like it was madness it had know, yeah, we were provided for, but what we lacked going back, we got our trainers or tracksuits are clothes, but we, for me, there was no emotion there. Okay, you give somebody 10 drinks, they'll show emotion. But then very shut down. But, but again, this goes back. My nanny, my grandmother was very like that as well. She was a tough woman. You did not step out of line. If you stepped out a line with my mother, went my grandmother, to an extent my father, you would get slapped and you would know about it. That's the way. that's the way it was done. I'm sure it was done here as well, like the whole Catholic upbringing.

Um, so, so you, what happened with the boarding school? Okay. Did you graduate from boarding? Did you graduate like, what you want to say high school?

No, I, I listened, that was for a year. So it's a year I went for now. I went to then normal high school after that, but the first school I went to didn't like. So I caused trouble there straight away,

got into a few fights. And then my father put me where I did, want to go were all my friends from primary school were so that would be school up till 11 or 12 so I went in there day one uh you know I'd met all the all the lads we call them and uh there is um I suppose I was known to have a bit of a temper yeah I was known to have a temper but it was more of um fuck what would you call it I'd say more of an alter ego listen I was I was soft really but I had to pretend to be something because I didn't know who I was I didn't know what I was really back then and it's easier to create someone different who has this persona of being

a little bit of a fight or a little bit of a boy that's out there and um unfortunately this then carried into this school and somebody said something to me and I turned around I hit him but I didn't know then he for a limited time at McDonald's enjoy the tasty breakfast trio your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax available until 11 a.m at participating McDonald's restaurants price includes flavored iced coffee and delivery. The new BMO, V.I. Porter MasterCard is your ticket to more.

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ahead of me in school, then I got this and I got the shit kicked out. I mean, this fighting then went on for another 12, 14 months and we used to have, um, there were 7,800 kids in the school, so you'd go in, you go, right, Derek, you're fighting him today. I was going, am I? Okay, so you

would go around the back of the school, there's like an estate, so what we call an estate, it's like a group of houses together, so we call these houses and estates, so there was a patch of grass, you'd go out and you'd fight However, and generally I'm fighting older guys because I was that little bit bigger. I did quite well, but I didn't want to go to school.

So then that bred of sort of more fear into me more than anything and sadness of having to put this hard man front up to go to school in the first place. And then, yeah, I was put out of that school after I was 14 and a half. So now I was still working with my father still making money. So he'd make us all work,

even the brothers when they came home, sister and stuff. So I was put out of there straight to work. That's all my father knew. Work. Okay. There was no much communication after that. Derek would go out to work. So then I was sent to live with my grandmother in another town, right?

So I'll ask that there about four months before she put me out. Because at this time now, I start smoking weed hash is what we call a hash at the time. I would have been abusing ecstasy. So start taking drugs 13, but going back to drinking, we start drinking, I would have had my first drink probably at 10 and probably even before that because we grew up a lot of weekends and pubs as well when we were younger Matthew

so you know someone asked me my nanny to keep us quiet would give us a sip of brandy when we were five six and seven this was taught nothing obviously we were going to the pub you go outside and you play with the other kids that's how it was so we were used to being around alcohol a lot so we would normalise

alcohol normalised drinking there was a lot of parties in my house at the time then all the bullshit followed that after afterwards. So here I am then. I couldn't wait to take drugs. Try all these drugs, you know, hash especially. I suppose I led on to ecstasy. That's when I was living with my grandmother. I was 15. And then I was back at home, you know, sent back home again, back to work. And then I moved to London for a year. How did that happen? I wanted to move. I said, fuck it. I'm going to London. And I was, which are 15. I'm 15, yeah. I know.

You don't get to, I mean, at 15. Well, I did make the decision to go. I was fucked up. I was 15 going on 16. So I would have been very close to 16. So we could call it more 16 at this time. Who do you stay with? So I said it to my mother. I'd save 900, what we called it pounds at the time in,

from working with my father. So I said to my mother and going to London. She started crying, said, you're too young to go to London, but I said I'd go. Father, very emotional. He doesn't say much. And I had two uncles there.

Now, one uncle declined because, you know, Maybe he had heard stories about me, a bit of a delinquent, whatever. And the other uncle said, okay, you can stay here for a week. So stayed with him for a week. And basically, we smoked weed all week. And he said, you're going to have to go because he's a newborn. So I, um... Because you're the newborn.

He had a newborn. Oh, he had a newborn. Yeah, not me. No, no, no. Jesus Christ, not me. So he had a newborn. And I don't think his wife wanted me there. Right.

Right. So you have this guy, he's, you know, 15, 16, you know, do you really want the hassle of it? So I said, well, I'll have to get a job. So I actually got a job in a pub in a place called Finsbury Park. Okay. But I'd blagged my way in it. So I'd said, obviously, my age, I'm 18, 19. So I all believed that.

Because you were a big kid and you were a big child tall and whatnot. And, yeah, sir, I met people again, start taking drugs, lost that job, fucked around. and they're fucked around there for a year, job to job, party to party, house to house. I met a lot of cool people, but I suppose, you know, it did shape me in a way. But I always had an infatuation with drug dealing as well since I was 10. We used to have this newspaper called The Sunday World,

and it used to be on the front of it, all the gangsters and the drug dealers they're over in Marbeah and all. I was so unhappy. I said, I've got to, I want to be like them. All right. So I've been selling drugs on and on. off since I was 13 and first year of skill. Now, now I'm talking small amounts of hash and stuff like that. So that's when that sort of started as well. So, but now you're in, you're, I mean,

you're, you're, you're going from, from job to job in, in, uh, in London. Yeah. And, and you have, you have your own apartment, your own place to stay. Well, I'm sleeping. Like, you're looking at a house with 16 other people. You're sharing around with people, but people, anyone I got close to, I told my story. I said, listen, I know who you think. This is what age I am. And I generally have, probably not sympathy, but, you know, I got on well with certain

people. I met a couple of Irish people and they used to say to me because I wouldn't have money for rent and they go just run. Listen, fuck the person in this house. The house was a shit hole. Right. Like you're looking 16 people living in the house is dirty. It's not a nice place to be. So I would do that. I would stay in a place for maybe

six weeks, two months and then I would move to another part, do the same there. So I was I suppose I would use the word blagged my way around London for a year rent free rent free do you know what blacked blagged no okay yeah I have to remember him in America so

conned my way conned your way I know what con is so it's like it's like if you're me me and I'm there yeah yeah you know a lovely house there show me the room yeah cool I'll have you rent and I make up a story I'm starting work next week and they got cool because I you know it was a very personal

but the type of fella when you met me. So then this would go on and on. They'd go, where's the rent? Oh, the job got let down. And I'd roll this out for two months sometimes before I'd, up and leave. It's the only way I could survive. There was not, this was survival. It wasn't about me.

Like, I was at to rob food sometimes out of the supermarket. This was fucking pure survival in London. Now, did I take drugs, of course, of it? Because I was not happy. So, but you also said you started selling drugs? not in London but I'd started before so I'd had this

infatuation with these gangsters and I believe the situation I was in I didn't really know who I was there I didn't want to be me I actually didn't like

who Derek Royal was number one so I made up this alter ego well let's be a drug dealer and they can go very well now

really at 13 like you know it's like you know I got ripped off now quite a few times and then that led me then I suppose I came back.

There was nearly 17 when I came back from London then. So that brings me to 17 now. Okay. So what do you do then? So then I try school again. Right. And, uh, you know, I did well for a while,

but then I was out drinking. I was out, you know, taking ease. Then I start selling ease. That this is when I suppose I start making money out of drugs. I start selling ease and nightclubs then. You start selling what in?

Ecstasy. Exstasy. Yeah. Ease. Yeah. Yeah. E, I'm sorry, okay, ease. Yeah, you started an ease and I didn't.

Yeah, so X, I'm starting selling ecstasy tablets because the dance scene is, the dance scene is huge in Ireland. Ease is good, too. Okay, so, I mean, do you get to a point where, where that's paying your bills? Oh, yeah. Like a full-time thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get to a point, like, we're making maybe two grand a week, right?

So there's a few of us in a lot. That's good money. When you say, you're making or? I'm making, no, we're all making two grand a week. So there's true. We have us in it. You know, we buy 5,000 these at a time. We split them up.

And we go into a couple of specific nightclubs and we sell these. Now, where are these coming from? Like, where are these coming from? Yeah. Through, um, just the source within Ireland, all coming from within Ireland. Okay. So you buy them at a certain price. You had sell them obviously were like quadruped in her money.

You're buying them at two, two paths. At the time it was pounds. Now in Ireland we've yours. So it was pounds. And a pound was good money. The euro was like monopoly money. Right. Now it's shit.

Yeah. That's what they wanted. So, you're buying them two or three pounds and you're getting ten pounds for them so if you do the mats on that and you can sell maybe three 400 pills a night yeah you know okay and you're you go to a club you go to a grave or whatever you're taking ease then yourself so you know it's paying for ourselves so then i met right i went to i bids in spain i bida in spain is did you ever hear of i pizza it's like a visa yeah we say

a visa sorry yeah the pronunciations are a little different when people are looking at me going to be confused and goes you didn't understand me did you um I'll tell you a funny story before we move on I moved to Malta four years ago and I'm talking to a guy in the gym

and I'm talking for maybe 30 seconds and he goes what language do you speak and I was going fuck I said I am in trouble here so now I have to look directly in the eye and speak somewhat robotically to people over there. My accent is quite thick. So. Abiza.

Ibiza. You know where that is. So basically for your listeners, they should know where it is, especially if you're tightrokes. Huge party island. So we'd saved up maybe 15,000 pounds each we say, come on, we're going to go to take it two weeks for first big holiday. So we went and me and my friend said we're going to stay and we stayed for the whole summer party.

I found powder again. I'd never really taken cold. and I still didn't really enjoy it. Yeah. When I came back from Ibiza, we went back into the club, but I ended up getting caught with 50 tablets. Yeah?

So I went with the wrong person. I'd met a girl there, by the way, and her friend, this was maybe a few months later, oh, come on out there. And I didn't want to go out because I didn't have my two friends with me because with the tree was, you know, we had each other's back,

whereas this fucker didn't have my back. And I was taking cocaine this night. And I knew it was too open. And the next thing, I just got, absolutely pulled out of it by a bouncer, jumped on, brought out, arrested, I think there was 58 ecstasy tablets, right? So I'm thinking I'm fucked. I'd never been in trouble before.

Well, how strict are the sentences in Ireland? They're pretty strict. I was definitely looking at time. I'm definitely looking at a year. Oh, really? No, 100%. Because it's silent supply at the end of the day. So I'm 19 now at this stage.

And I'm going, fuck this, like, what do I do now? So not only right, you've got caught on the charge sheet was sad and supplying it. I think I had like a half a gram of Coke, and there was, so there was two, two charge sheets. Right. So then, I'm there, Jesus Christ, like, what am I going to do? Now my income has been taken away from me as well. So I'm back at home again, working with my dad, always had a place. He always wanted a hard worker.

So he knew I'd work hard and he never say anything. So I had to think, I said, still want to sell drugs. What do I do? So I said, right, well, that game is bullshit, because if you're out doing it in a nightclub, or even the way you see people in America in Ireland to sell it on the street you're you're going to get caught eventually you know so i said fuck it um how can i create a system that i can somewhat not hold so large amounts but just do it in bigger amounts make good money and with people you trust so you're not so you're not so you're not yeah

the middle man there right so but now i have to exposure less exposure and you're dealing with you know you're dealing, I class myself as more of a businessman. I wasn't this tug on the street. I wasn't a violent person. Now, I may have fought a lot in school and if you brought trouble to me, okay, I would defend myself, but I'm not going out causing trouble. I want to live the quiet life in behind the same. So essentially, that's exactly. I'm a middleman. So I met one guy who I was getting these off and I said, listen, what about getting bigger amounts of hash? Deng powder. So then I had two people. One of them was my cousin and God rest his whole, he's dead. two. And I started with them and said, right, lads, if I gave you half a kilo each and I gave

you two keys of hash each and I gave you a thousand, would you sell them over the course of a month? Now, the money was okay. Maybe I was making 5,000, what, puns a month. So not bad for a 19 year old still. 1250 a week. And I was doing fuck all for it. All I had to do was organize it, get it delivered. And once everything is paid, that's what I was making. But obviously I had this charge against me. Just there, fuck sacks. So he, Here I am anyway, one I got a solicitor. So I was recommended this solicitor's name was Michael Steins. He's in Temple Bar and Dublin.

He's well known. He's dead now, but there's another guy, Adrian, very good solicitors, right? So he said to me, okay, what are the charges to tell him? Okay, okay, let's wait and see. So I still hadn't got summonsed. So this was maybe 11 months later. And I have my girlfriend in my father's house in my room, snorting powder, and we haven't slept. I have maybe a nine ounce bar of powder.

I have two kilos of hash in the room, like a idiot. And she looks out and goes, just guards at the door, cops. So we went then, fucked everything out the back window. But it wasn't, it wasn't anyone riding us. What it was was a local cop bringing a summons. And my sister let them in. Right? So I went down and he goes, listen, I'm here to summons.

So I got the summons and the charge sheets basically for the 50s, 80s and the gram of coke to put it down us. So I brought these to the solicitor and he goes, no problem. And I said, what do you mean no problem? He said, everyone's telling me I'm getting locked up and you're telling me no problem. He said, just chill out. So the court day was on such. This is a long time ago now you're going back, Jesus Christ, 22 years now at this stage.

So I can't give you exact dates. Just say the court date is on. And he's still saying, this is no problem. So had the suit on the whole lot. the part. My name was called up and the judge just goes, this is thrown out, right? So I turned around to him. He called me over and I seen the cop. Now I got the shit kicked out on me as well that, that day by two cops. So I just gave him a wink. Basically with the summons, it was 24 hours out of date when they wrote it. So I was blessed. So there was someone looking down

on me going, I don't know, divine intervention. I don't know what it was, right? So walked out of there, absolutely scoff free. So my decision then was made, this is what I'm doing. I've already been making money from the further. And then that was it. That's what I got into for the next. So I was 21 then and up till 27. I sold drugs and then I went and went on to make more money. Then we were selling now, not large amounts,

but between three and five keys, a Coke a month and up to about 18, 20 kilos of hash. But some months we were making 70,000, 80,000 pounds. And from that, from that period all the way up to 20, 26 or 27? 27. I got about five years out of it. And you never got arrested again? Never got arrested.

So what I did was this. I had the two lads. I had my cousin and the other guy and I got another three guys on board. And they were not out on the street. They were not bullshitting anyone. They were all about business, all about money. Right. So I would basically organize, okay, this is what I want.

So I'd say it to my man. Now I'm dealing with a different guy. I'd say to my man, this is what I want. I would get two guys to deliver it. on such and such just on one Saturday and then every second Saturday I would collect the money and this is the system we had and it worked well now listen I was heavily heavily consuming powder um heavily consuming alcohol and you know I might be painting a picture of it's great to have money it's great to have this like I was driving a car worth 120,000 pounds I bought my own house

all of this by 22 23 I was traveling the world I was did not want to live man right you know it was a lot of powder involved a lot of uh fucked up shit happening a lot of madness in my head i was dark you might see the exterior and the external and going okay this guy seems to have it all he seems to be a little bit of a man about town but at the end of the day i was a broken man i'd never i'd never solved any of the issues from childhood i was raging against myself and then what happened was One of the guys that was a friend of mine that used to deliver the drugs

so he used to get a thousand euros per delivery and he said to me, listen to Derek, a guy called Dave, I'm not going to mention a second name, has been in such and such a cop station and all year pictures are up. I'm not doing this anymore. So they had an idea what we were doing

but could never pin it because it was in the shadows somewhat and I was never going to get any bigger than what I got because we were happy making the money. The money was good. yeah i had copious amounts of powder if i wanted to take a half an ounce of powder an ounce of powder this week i could do it how so why did the guy end up you said go into the police station why was he in the because he was in for another just another stupid charge and he had seen and a detective

came to him and he seen obviously what we were doing here so the other guy freaked out he rang me said because he was taught someone was falling on. And you see, we would get stopped here and there because now I was quite, we would get stopped. And obviously we knew, I knew other guys. I was hanging around now with some, what I would say, real criminals.

I never class myself as a real criminal because I thought, not that I thought I was any better, but I thought I was that little bit smarter. Well, I'm not putting myself out on the street down this. Like, some of my friends were genuine psychopaths. Right. Who, you know, who were murderers. I wasn't that

person, but I was well liked by people because I knew how to make money and I knew how to put people together to make money and I had a couple of good contacts. So you see, I was well liked in that circle and that's why, you know, I got away with what I did get away with till. Obviously, it came crashing down and I'd fucking lost everything. Well, did any of your guys that during that span ever get bought? Yeah, yeah. So one of my best friends was more than. So when I was about 24, I used to smoke a joint with one of my friends every evening. John is his name.

So this evening, I was trying to get back with my ex-girlfriend. And I was over in her house and he rang me, said, listen to you calling around with smoke a joint. I said, not tonight, John, I'll see you in the morning where we're going to go kickboxing.

So we do kickboxing together. So the next morning, I got a call at about six from my friend, Ger. Derek, a URL. I said, yeah, well, he said, I taught you were one of two lads after getting shot that out.

and a sort of specific place in Dublin yeah and I said no I'll ring him now so I put my phone down John rang me and it was his missus and he said no there John is John is dead so basically what happened the gunman came in blue his head off in front of her the three kids were in the house as well now what transpired was it was a setup

and if I had been in that house I would have been just nothing to do with me by the way why he was shot or anything to do with me was to do with why he was a heroin dealer it was to do with his dark life whereas I would have been collateral damage so the next thing you know Emily rings me to girl

my girlfriend at the time she said listen there's detectives here obviously wanting to speak to you just get rid of phone so I did that and I went and I spoke to them and I said I know nothing about this so yeah I was you know I was around guys who were up to no good but I felt I still knew better

you know and I'm only telling my story here now it probably sound very condescending but I wasn't better than anybody but to me was drugs is to make money I don't need the other the rest of the bullshit to goes with it you know now I was picking up little convictions here and there and I spent a little bit of time

inside but I never got a a huge sentence now you could say someone again if you go back to those 58 E's was I was I blessed what I mean by blessed was there someone looking down on me to to save me from this I don't know now it accumulated from drinking

and dangerous driving all this other bullshit. Yeah, where I spent a little bit of time inside, but I never had a larger sentence. Like some of them were going in for four or five years, like 10 years. If you get caught with a kilo powder and you're getting 10 years in Ireland, I would say the sentences are pretty. So I was playing with fire as well.

Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's, you know, what happens is when you commit crime and get away with it, you become emboldened by it. You become, you know, you get cocky. You know what I'm saying? It's cocky, yeah, I definitely, like I was super cocky. Like, even the times that it, I would come close to getting caught and not get caught, I thought, I'm just that good. I'm just that good.

It's not because I got lucky. It was just be like, I know what I'm doing. I'm just very good at this. The truth is, I just got lucky. Yeah. You know, like they happen to not check here or not do this or not, you know, so. But yeah, you do, you feel like emboldened by it. Like, yeah, this is good.

Well, 100%. I mean, I did. And then the money is good, too, you see. but, you know, was I, again, your typical criminal? I don't know, I don't think so. I liked the totem. I like the money. I like the people that hung around.

Because, you know, they had my back. And, you know, we were all, you know, the web I had was pretty solid, I would say. And it was guys that weren't criminals that were selling at the end of day through their little network. So the setup was beautiful, man, and what we were doing. but it came crashing because the boom so you talk about we had the Celtic tiger which was the loads of money on there and loads of building going on

lots of people taking powder but that crashed then when I was 27 so that goes back 14 years ago the recession gap nobody could afford coke out so my business finished there and then I fucked up big time how's that well they all got into moving weed

so they start grow houses weed houses right so this is where the money he was. So I said, right, we'll buy all the equipment, which we did buy the equipment. They moved on it, but I was too busy sniffing, powder, and I got into gambling because it was in Australia on a holiday. It was in Australia, New Zealand visiting my sister, and I found a casino. And I said, Jesus, okay, what's this, Texas? You know, Texas Hold'am? So I sat down at a car table. I never played Texas Hold'em. I said, give it a go. So I lost a few grand. I said, right, I'm going home, darn. I'm not drinking. I'm not taking drugs. I'm going gambling. How retarded

is that. So how much do you lose? I lost everything over the next 18 months. So I had, right, right, so. Where? In Australia? No, no. No, no.

So I was only on a holiday. So I'd visited my sister for two months and I went to the Grand Prix in Melbourne. Well, you take some holidays. Like two weeks, two months? No, I was everywhere in my 20s around the world. Everywhere. So, like, if you looked at me, I'd long hair at the time. Yeah.

drove nice vehicles had the house had nice birds women birds you don't call them right um so the fucked up thing right

I came home from there so I had the house I had the car that's worth a couple of hundred grand I had five keys of coke that were mine so just said that's worth another 253 hundred

and at a hundred and fifteen cash that was gone after 18 months I had fucked myself So it literally started With a couple of grand Then it was every day I was in Then sometimes I go to the buckies

To you know horses and stuff Then I'd wait to the casino open And people were questioning me Now people still trusting me And they said Derek what's going on Like I'd rent the three houses To grow wheat Nothing happening

Yeah yeah we're gonna set it up So they went on And they actually went on to One of them went on To make an absolute killing Out of the weed out of these grow houses because you know

you get so much a plant and you have enough plants you'll do well so here's me yeah yeah I'll get it gone friends are asking me there's something wrong with you you gamlin none

now I was telling I so I was looking down right when I was going selling drugs I was looking at this scumbag looking down on people now I was no better here I am lying to my friends and I said I'd never do it

I couldn't even look at myself then this at the end of the set right fuck my first hundred grand I said fuck this have to keep going now to get it back then it got to a stage

where I don't think it was even about losing money I think it was the buzz more the buzz of the gambling and then I would be dejected after it

and then this and 18 months later I had nothing and I was back at home living with my mother at the time 29 you talk about dark

that was that was pretty dark for me now Matthew was looking at me when I say words and he's going what the fuck you see what is that?

what is this? Well, sometimes I don't know the word is but mutter. Yeah. Yeah. What do you call

girls? He said? Birds. Birds. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which I've heard before.

You don't hear that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you said it again. People will say there to go Irish people

who tree, we can't, you know, 33. We can't pronounce it properly. Yeah.

So yeah, people are very intrigued with my accent in America. All right. Yeah. Yeah,

we're good. Okay. Okay. back at moms so mothers mothers yes yeah try not to laugh now and i pronounce some words so i'm back at home at my mothers and um that was really unpleasant now my mother had reconciled with my father this was fucked no it was just a fucked up story like i felt sorry from my for my mother because she was such a beautiful woman um she She lost her way having kids.

She settled where she should have left my father, Jesus Christ, many, many years before to have even a chance of another decent relationship or a career. So she drank on a lot of, I would say, missed opportunities and why me type of shit, victimhood mentality to an extent. But again, my grandmother would have been tough on my mother. So her mother was a tough lady to handle. So, you know, they were put out to work when they were young.

That's just the way it was. and here I am gone from hero to zero really going what am I doing my mother was in fear my mother didn't want me she knew what I was doing anyway she knew the type of characters I was with she only she had that like I'd nowhere else to go so like you know she didn't want me there my father whatever he doesn't have much emotion anyway around her and I'm not even coming out in my room like you talk about darkness I'm staying in my room I can't even look at her in the eyes. So I'm waiting until like midnight to get up to eat. Then I go back to bed and I stay on my phone all day. So this went on and on. Now I did have a couple of charges coming up because at the time

I was something to do with drink. I hit somebody one night out and I had these charges. So I had the probation officer and I had to go in and see him. So, you know, that was whatever. I didn't really give a shit at that stage. I was there sure. I mighter, you know, my life, I felt worthless is what I'm trying to say. I felt worthless. And I described myself as like a rat at night, just wake and getting up and sneaking around the place. I didn't want to have communication. I didn't want to have eye contact with anybody. So he was sitting in front of me. And he said, I believe in you. And I start crying. I was there, what did you say? And I'd never heard it coming out of anyone's mail. And he said, well, you've got these charges. Do you actually want

to do something with your life? Now, you can go in and do a little bit more time or you can actually sort your shit out now. And I said, what do you mean? he said if we paid for you to go to a treatment center would you go i said okay let's do it and um then i went into a treatment center this was maybe two months later had you ever been to one no no no never now but i had a massive ego like still like i was going in there and you know had to bring could we eat these specific foods protein pen and they said shut the fuck up there right you do what we say yeah so my ego was very big now this was for a month we were in there.

I thought I was getting unwell but you know when you have certain habits and behavior, so okay, if there's no drugs, there's no gambling, there's no drink, I'm going to go to women. So there's women there. Now, you're not meant to do any of this. So obviously they'd seen me cuddling up with some women and I'd

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I don't know what you want from me. You're the one here to be the guiding lead for me. So I suppose I didn't really like the, as you know, I didn't like Qatar. You didn't like being told what to do. But unconsciously, I was acting in a certain way that I didn't know. So I was sort of confused, sabotage and but confused as to what do you mean? Do I want to go home?

I said, there's nowhere to go. My mother doesn't want me. She barely wanted me before this. so they said okay we went on stay there for the full term but it wasn't enough for me so the guy who was running this treatment centre

this was about two days before I left he said Derek would you be willing to go to you said a halfway house it was something like a halfway house match you I went to now in the halfway house there was councillors so you had meetings every day you know these type of you sit around

and chairs like the AA meetings similar very similar and you had in the night time nurses Now this was like, it was weird place. We, it's called a housing estates. I don't know what you call them in America. So it's like, you know, just rows of houses. And like this house, there was two houses together was in the middle of this.

You're in normal people going about their day to their business. And here's 10 mad fuckers, right, from different parts of Ireland. So the youngest was 18 and the eldest tier, he was 63, I think. And I walked in there, like, Jesus, is this, I'm 13. I'm sorry, 29 going on 30. Is this what my life has come to? But I took it upon myself.

I have an opportunity here to do something, you know, to do something. So most of the guys there were criminals, petty criminals, a lot of violence, a lot of things like that. They turn to, you know, better sleeping tablets, that type of shit, yeah? So I said, right, lads,

I was into fitness. I'd always trained. One thing I'd always kept up is training and eating. Even when I was taking go, I'd still eat. Yeah, it's still go out to the gym. no matter what. So I said, right, I know a lot about this.

Why don't I take it upon myself to bring people to the gym? So actually, I had always had leadership skills, always had leadership skills, but they really start shining in here and people start listening to me. And I felt good. I felt because, you know what?

I'm actually doing something good for men here. And they're all responding. They're all liking it, but the house didn't like it that I was in. Why? Because, I suppose, an authority thing, I've gone, we're, we're this and where that. people are listening to you too much so this went on we got over it it was fine but i did i was

happier i was definitely one of those times in my life i was happier so if you roll on it's 11 months there it was now 30 so i got out i said i'm opening a gym people going opening the gym laughed on me so i said right what do i do okay first of all locate a building i located a building now the building you wouldn't have put your dog into it it was that shit but i said i'll use it next how do i get the money for that. So I went to a local charity. I begged them for the money. So I think I asked them every day for three weeks

about this money. Eventually a woman came, an older lady came up and said, there's the 400 euros. I told the guy with the bill in the story, so he said, we'll do it at half price, which was the 400. And then I got equipment, and I started a gym out of that.

How'd you get the equipment? So then I went into the local government offices, and they would give you a grant. your man said it's too late for a grant. So I, this was by phone. So I went up then and I went into his office. And I said, listen, I'm Derek Rome, the guy you were speaking to. And this is my story.

And he said, fuck, okay, man, let's do it. You know, so I took initiative. I took action. Right. Now, I only got a thousand jurors, so it could only get bits and pieces. But I started classes. And then in between all of that, then I had met a Maldese woman, who I was telling you about my ex-partner, who had my son with. I had met her before I went in just for it was like a couple of day period

so I was back in communication with her I went to visit her in Malta and then she moved to the city which is Waterford City where this house was now where I had this you might call it a gym it was a shack basically where I did some classes she moved then I found I was following this guy listen I'm going to show you how to build a proper fitness business so I looked at his webinar taking notes like a madman And he goes, right, have this deal.

The deal is it's £2,000 for six weeks of coaching with me. And I had about $1,500. And I said, Dammy, what do you have? She had $500. She said, we've no more money. So we've got, you know, we had an electricity meter with 20 quid in a. We had a few days worth of food. I said, can we do it?

So I did it. I never looked back and then built a gym, did very well out of there. I think by the end of it, we'd four or five personal trainers in it. and I went back to taking cocaine. To what? I went back taking powder at that stage. I know, yeah. I just wanted another few years of bullshit.

And I never looked back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we'd just throw the spanner now into the work. But you have to understand as well. I might have been good at taking action, but I had not dealt with anything of the emotional. It was emotionally not available for her

or even for when I had my son. son and she felt I was quite I would say aggressive actually towards women I don't like sign up but that's that's because I'd say my father for so many years yeah this was ingrained into me um and I was nearly all unconscious I knew wrong and like you know why would be I would have a temper I would have a temper I would have a temper I always had a temper and I'd lose it and anything could fly around anything could go through the window no different than my father and here I am with a beautiful woman I'm now had a child I'm taking coke out i was missed my son's bark because i was out my mind long powder and some other drugs um and i'm a gym owner who is quite successful it's a personal training gym now it's a private gym we're doing well but i am slowly this up like and um this went on for another till he was 10 months and she said i'm out she moved back to to malta and that destroyed me so here i am gym started declining i'm going to visit my son in a different country so i'm going to gone for a week every month

to visit him and then the penny dropped maybe, Matthew, a few years ago. What is the penny dropped? So I decided to I needed to look deep within to sort my shit out. So the penny dropped as in the light bulb moment.

Oh, okay. Delightable moment I met a guy and he goes what's wrong. Now I'd been going to therapy and all this bullshit since I was young and it was always going, Derek, do you know, you I was diagnosed with bipolar when I was 30. Now, I have no signs of any of this, by the way,

so I know it's all bullshit. Anxiety, depression, all these things. So I went in and he said to me, what's wrong? I said, oh, anxiety of depression, all this. He said, shut the fuck up. I said, what? What are you going on about you? You have what?

And I told him again, he started doing all this. I said, what are you looking for? He said, I'm looking for what you're said. And then eventually I got a little bit mad, but he made me laugh so broke the bullshit around that and he started showing me how this operated conscious mind subconscious

unconscious and how habits are formed how you know the whole visuals auditory kinesthetic all of this type of stuff so start learning and that's when my life yeah start upgrading someone we will say did you so you stopped you stopped using

powder yeah right just like that no no no no no not just like that no no no no no not just like that no fuck no man um so it was working what he was doing but i was still we will say using every second weekend right so i was still on and but the more i was i wasn't even i was using much man it was it was the fact that it destroyed me every time i used it wasn't like years ago when you were taking drugs and you could go for days and then you get a shower and you be grand type of thing right you know now i've responsibilities now i have a proper business now i'm a dad

well not a partner anymore but I'm you know I'm responsible for things so every time I didn't know I used to suffer for days but unfortunately this did go on for another I would say a year to 18 months of just every second weekend so it was a lot better than what it was every second weekend is that actually it's this weekend like every second weekend yeah that's how it went so I'd be a good boy for 14 days I deserve it well done and you go and do and you'd lose a week because literally, and I wouldn't even be doing much. It would be, like, small amounts, maybe one or two grams. But I would, um, I know, I'd still be in the circle of keeping my foot in with the lads.

You know, I'd still have a lot of friends selling drugs to this day. But, you know, we keep them at arm's distance. But your friends are your friends at the end of the day, right? So it was very easy for me to access. That's the madness of the talk process. So, COVID four years ago, I was visiting my son. the day after i arrived home boom oh this thing called covid no you can't fly anywhere so this went down a month in there's there shit man i'm missing my son now so i said

when i can get a flight to malta i am moving to malta so that was five months without seeing my son only by zoom or WhatsApp video we will say and on july the first 2020 is when i could get the flight And that's when, yeah, I was getting it together, we will say. I was still using someone, but I was helping people now. I was showing people how their minds operate it. And I was getting good results, right? So I moved. Me and his mother got back together.

That didn't work. Emotionally, too much water under the bridge, whatever. So then I was a mindset coach. I was doing okay. I was doing okay in numbers, but, you know, I was still drinking alcohol. all here and there. So, you know, this type of thing, probably with your wrong people. So my energy was always attracting mad people into my life and you know yourself where it

goes from there. Then I start telling my story about, I wouldn't say even 16 to 18 months ago, I just started talking about powder and the video went viral. I said, okay, that's interesting. Are you still using Coke? No, no, no, not at that time, no. I was going to say, you're still drinking and you were, you're, you're still drinking and you You were drinking and eating Coke and you were doing, you were doing a coaching.

Oh, yeah. Like when I'd started coaching four years ago, yes. You would think you're training people on how to use their, be focused. You would think. You would think that you would be able to say one of the things like, do you have to be like, let me get rid of this drug problem. Like, yeah, but to me, was it a problem every second weekend? Listen, it was an issue. But when I look back, you're correcting what you're saying.

Do you know what I mean? It was, it was causing me unwanted thoughts. It was causing me losing days. So, yeah, it was a problem. Do you ever listen to Jordan Peterson? Yes. I love Jordan. Yeah, he's really good.

Yeah. Sorry. I was just thinking about the make your bed. Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. Start, make your bed, clean up your room. So, okay, so, so you move to multiple. What happened to the, what happened to your gym? So the gym, COVID had, it was.

It destroyed it? Well, it was still open, but we'd open, we closed. It was probably the same. certain states in America. So I gave it over to a guy to manage, but like it didn't go well. So I just said, you know, well, he gave me some money.

I took a small fee. I said, I don't want it. So now I'm online. I'm coaching. I'm number of clients. We're doing, you know, we're doing decent numbers. A nice lifestyle.

But then I'm coming into going around. I have to take the next step. So, you know, the drugs have to go. Yeah. Everything has to go. Because if I want the clean and clear run at this, all that bullshit must be, must be dissolved, must be removed from my life.

And then, as I said to you, I'm a dad. So, like, you know, I'm putting my son first. It was the best move I ever made. Going to Malta, you know, I get to see him a lot. He gets to stay with me. I get to see him growing up, and I'm leading by my actions at the end of the end. This was always what I wanted. And it broke me when, you know, I can see why, you know, we're not together.

And I always wanted a big family. You know, we were saying about the Irish families, they were bigger. I always wanted more brothers and sisters, but it's not happened yet. short, I'll have another one or two money. A young man. Still. And so that led me then, Matthew, to, let's just say 20 months ago. Let's just say 20 months ago and I did this real. And I was point blanking about what I was up to in. Fuck, man, I just got so many messages. I was there, Jesus, one of the lads that worked with me, he said, fuck, man, I think you can help a lot of people here. So from there, I took on a couple of clients. And what I put together for them,

it just really worked. These people were hungry. They wanted to succeed. So then it snowballed a bit. Then I put together a 12-week program. And now, yeah, it's hugely successful. We have a lot of success stories. We've been in 24 different countries, mainly men, some ladies. And it is showing people how to really rewire how they're thinking, rewire how they talk to themselves, how to create quality habits, how to remove the habit of crap and how their thoughts work,

how their thinking works, and just how to get shit done and actually achieve a life that they can, life they're proud of, how to respect themselves. It goes deep man, there's marriages coming back together, there's you know, people getting into their mental well-being in order,

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So my question is, let's say, you know, someone watching this. Someone's depressed or they're in a rut. Like what is your advice or what do you think they need to do to get out of it? You talk about this going to a doctor. A man in America, it's huge. Go to doctor, take fucking tablets. It's bollocks. I've been there, yeah?

And then it was like, go to the therapist and it's like, Derek, tell me about your mummy and daddy problems. And they're like, fuck me, man. You're re-associating problems. Now, I didn't know what I know now, right? So I always had a shit because of this. I'm doing all of this work. I'm talking and I'm still feel like shit.

There's something seriously wrong. This is what ties me back to the house. And they were going, they were asking the other men in the house, the halfway house. And I said, this is shit. And they're there, what do you mean? I said, but sure, none of us are taking drugs. Why are you talking about drugs to us? Like, it's obviously a mindset issue here,

not an actual drug, no, you're wrong. I was actually right. So this guy started teaching me all this, yeah? Which he was a coach, NLP, neuralinguistic program. And I don't know if you've ever heard of NLP, but it's what I became a master at. He taught me. Now, I brought in my life experience,

but we're working with men. Like, we're working with men who have been married, who are married, who were business owners, who aren't business owners, who are doing well in the crew. If you look at a lot of the guys who were like me, you'd look in and go, he has it all. But the darkness that's going on inside their mind, inside their heart is crazy

because some of these guys, they're sniffing coke once a week, sniffing powder once a week, maybe sniffing them once a month, maybe some of them are sniffing it daily, but we don't get many sniffing it daily. It's usually weekends, but it's destroying then, they're missed opportunities, missing out on opportunities but what kills a man is this is lying awake knowing he has more

to offer the world knowing he has more potential knowing he has more capabilities and doing fuck all about him at you that's the worst feeling for man it's not the drugs that's what used to kill me and the guys i have with but the advice i would offer it's giving yourself an honest review as easy as it sounds most men in that situation or in any situation cannot give themselves an honest review cannot be vulnerable and go, well, do you know what? I am not really being a good present dad. I am not being a good present husband. I am actually bullshitting myself. I am canceling meetings in my business. I'm cancel meetings and work. I'm making excuses as to why I'm not where I want to be. So you give yourself an honest review. Starts with awareness, honest review. Okay, you can move forward.

But you need specifics. Discipline to say no to something you've been programmed to do. what I mean by program to do? Like if you go off how is a habit created, a habit is created by the thought, is the idea, then it's the action of the doing. Now, if you do that and you think about

and you put thought behind it, you do the action and you feel it, it's going to create a habit after about 12 months, which is actually the program. So when you understand that, discipline is bullshit unless you actually have a blueprint around understanding how your mind works to implement to actually then,

dissolve the habit replaced with better quality habits but the man has to sacrifice he has to be and the woman no matter whether it's man or woman you have to be willing you have to be able you have to be willing to sacrifice your time your energy and then

we use the skill of discipline we use the skill of focus to implement the blueprint around it so it's about looking at yourself and of you if someone's listening to this and you want to continue wasting time be my guest you will get to a certain age and you look back with pure

and other regret. Are you can take the decision now to take forward steps because we're big on stacking wins, build a momentum, little wins. You know, you do what you say you will do. That'll stack up. It's a good feeling. The good feelings come from all the uncomfortable shit people are not

doing. That could be the gym. It could be watching a piece of content we asked them to. Taking that action step we ask them to. Again, eating better quality nutrition. Looking after themselves bring bring that to their relationship with their wife bring that to the relationship with their kids and now it's building on it's simmer and it's similar and it's pushing them forward i think the overall like consensus is american men or maybe just modern men in general are

becoming weaker softer do you see that same thing oh man i could have talked a lot you see now that you're a more i'm more comfortable here right yeah okay yeah we yeah one of the biggest issues i see and i call it out online i call it out on fucking social media is weak men. They play victim. They go, oh, circumstances are against me. I don't have the time. Do you know, I hang around with the wrong people.

I will just go point blank shut to fuck up. Men are not taking accountability and they're not taking personal responsibility. So it's easier put the finger out here and go, oh, my friends do it. And, you know, on a weekend when they call me, well, you can say no. and you can look at actually the life you're missing out on or continue on the path of self-destruction because it is being somewhat weak in decision-making but also if you look at the modern man

he's a fat piece of shit, a lot of them. Listen, the truth hurts. You know, I use that hashtag a lot. The truth does hurt. I would rather somebody look me in the eyes and go, Derek, I do not like this part about you. And if it's the truth, I will want to fix it. and men have all this fluff around them now it's okay you know you fucked up it's okay no

it's not really okay if you keep doing it and i nobody willing to tell me the truth except that one man and to this day people find it very hard to tell the truth oh i love that the jordan peterson where he's like like like like the worst thing you do is tell your kids that like oh you're perfect the way you are you're not perfect the way you are you can be better you can improve you can do this you can do that and things are you know if things are going wrong in your life you're you're contributing to those things most likely you know like i mean very seldomly does do horrible horrible things happen to people but it's kind of like the getting stabbed in prison it's if you get stabbed in prison you probably brought it on yourself exactly you know people don't they like they get

when they go to prison they get concerned with being like well what if this happened well trust me if you get attacked or you get hurt you did something that they're not running around stabbing people you you know you ran up a gambling debt you disrespected someone you borrowed money that you you couldn't pay back you you talked bad about something you know what I'm saying like like there are things that you do and they don't and even then they still try and give you an out like check in yeah go to the shoe get yourself moved no you ain't going to do nothing okay now you're going to get stabbed like you know but it's the same thing in life it's like if you're hanging out with all the wrong people and you're not getting up earlier and you're not doing the completing your assignments

and you're you're putting all of these things off and then suddenly you don't have the money to pay for your bills or your car or you know oh my my insurance my insurance expired and they they canceled my my license and now I can't try you knew you had insurance coming they didn't do like the guys that go to prison and we're like man they gave me 10 years you gave you 10 years choices right they are you innocent they you're not innocent

Innocent, bro, you were committing fraud. Like, it was like, man, bro, they gave you all that time. Like, no, no, I committed bank fraud. They didn't do anything to me. I did this to me, you know? Like, I should be here, you know? So, but yeah, you see so many people, it's just like, oh, you know, everything. And I hear that everything's stacked against me.

Really? Yeah. Really? Because you're smart, you know? You're just lazy. Typically, it's just you're just lazy. You don't follow through on things. You put things off.

You don't you know you don't complete the assignments that you're given and then things start going bad for you and then you wonder why Because it's not hard you write you know write a list Get all those and if you write a list and you start hammering away at that list You don't have time to do all this other shit Actually that that Trump I was gonna say there's a Trump that Trump thing where he said you're depressed He said you know it's great for depression work Right it's true man yeah you have time to be depressed work your ass off But it's so funny, like what we're talking about.

But I'm happy, right, whether you agree with it or not about Trump, because Trump, America does well, the rest of the world will do better, but it has to change the story. People are putting out there. People have to take more of the right actions. You see, what I've realized, the biggest part of the success we have, it's, yeah, they watch specific content on the whole reward, but that's all great, but you actually have.

have to go out into the rear world and roll up your sleeves and do the work and cut you the shit because what we know about life's life's pretty harsh it's pretty tough out there you know and i asked you asked you you and your producer there's a long have you been doing this and you've been doing a fucking years but people will only see that oh matts you gets this and that look at all the views now that's what they see and they go oh that's look that's a piece of shit mentality number one it's all this do you know you get it and it's like so people are so Jesus caught up in what other people are doing

where it's actually put full focus and give yourself to respect this is what I say to the guys and said listen start respecting yourselves whole yourself and high admiration you will do that by doing the uncomfortable things the best feeling comes from the heart shit it doesn't come from the easy stuff

to what we used to that easy what did it call it self gratification yeah that comes you know that that's an easy life man you're not going to reduce the results that are outstanding. This is about, you know, yeah, whatever, looking back in your life in five, ten years and going,

you fuck, man, do you know, well, I've saved people, I've helped people, but I've sorted myself out. It starts with yourself, man. Then you bring that man out and you don't talk, lead by your actions. You know, it's funny, the, uh, that you got lucky. I had somebody say that to me probably, I know, you didn't say that about like a year or so again, maybe six months a year ago.

Somebody goes, oh, well, you know, I was just saying like wow man things are going so good and this and yeah you get well you know you got lucky and I went I said and I went you I did get lucky I did get lucky you know when I started getting lucky after I've been locked up for about about three years and I wrote my memoir and then I my memoir sucked by the way you know so I read three books on how to write a memoir or really how to write nonfiction how I remember you know and it was a I don't know if they have this series over there It's called, like, you know, writing for dummies. It's a series, right?

They call it or The Idiot's Guide to Writing True Crime. So I read those books. And then I rewrote my memoir. And then I started writing other guys' stories. And then I did that for seven years in prison. And then I started writing synopsis of the stories, just short versions, because I can't write a book on everybody, right? So I'm writing, I wrote four or five books while I was incarcerated.

And I started writing, I started writing letters to, to reporters in order to try and get them to work with me from inside prison and I get an article published in Rolling Stone magazine and I get a and then I needed a literary agent because you can't just go to someone like Simon Schuster

so I wrote over 150 letters and I just every day two and three rejection rejection rejection and eventually I got somebody that said hey I'd love to send me the whole thing. So I send a book. So I sent a book. I got a book deal. I get a literary agent. I get another book deal. We option the life rights for this guy. I keep, then I realize I can write

synopsies. So I keep writing synopsies. Well, everybody else is playing handball, and they're playing tag football, and they're learning how to play the guitar, and they're learning how to do a horticulture. I don't want to know any of that stuff. I'm not interested. I'm writing all these stories. And then just before a couple of years before I get out, everybody's telling me you need to get out and start a true crime podcast. Yeah, yeah, podcaster big. When I got arrested, never been on an iPhone. There was no smartphones when I got arrested. YouTube had been out one year. I'd never been on YouTube. I'd been locked up three years before the term podcast was even invented. That would be 2009. I was locked up in 2006. I was locked up. So I've been locked up three years.

before that even existed. So people are telling me what a podcast is. Imagine trying to explain what a podcast is. You've never seen one. I'm like, so it's like a radio show? Yeah, it's kind of like a radio show. So then I get it. And so towards the end, I'm telling people, yeah, I think I'm going to do a podcast.

I don't even know what a podcast is. I've no clue. But I've been working and I've been collecting stories and I'm a good storyteller. And this is something I could do. I can't commit fraud anymore because the judge was very special. specific about that. He definitely taught me my lesson. So I knew that wasn't should shouldn't be an option. I'm going to say it's not an option. Things go bad. You don't know. But I got out of prison and then I started telling my story and then we started a podcast. Don't know how to take how to how to how to, don't know how to

start a podcast. Don't know anything about it. Eventually start one with my iPhone and then a camera that somebody gave me. And then Colby then I then I get a buddy who gets me Colby. And then I, then I get a buddy who gets me Colby and then we keep working and it's not paying my bills I'm in the halfway house, go from the halfway house to somebody's spare room. I'm living in a rooming house. So I'm living in somebody's room. I didn't even sleep in the

bedroom. It had a big closet. I slept in the closet. So then I get my own apartment and then eventually we end up here. But that whole time for the first like two and a half years it's not paying my bills. It's not even, it got to a point where

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exactly I started working on my luck 10 or 15 years ago fucked you know and and that's the truth like the harder you work the luckier you get absolutely it just makes me sick these people when they you know because it's ignorance at the end of the day it really is ignorant and with a story congratulations oh thank you yeah no no it's inspiring no obviously I know quite a bit about you anyway but it's when I hear the words when you're in front of me it really is inspiring

because a lot of people have the opportunity and don't take it you've taken the opportunity you've took it on the chin you know you've manned up essentially this is what men need to do

they need to man up and starts with going yeah I've fucked up this is the honest review you did that and let's move forward most people and I said it you when they come in most men

it's not even men but most people will give up because it's that whole instant gratification it's that we deserve things now and if we need to don't get it now and it's like you know we'll do the fitness thing is is a very good example we'll do fitness for which oh why don't i have a six back and i should give a little and get a huge return no

motherfucker have no expectations you just keep being the best you can be on a day today you follow the steps that's this is the we will say the magic people are looking for because most people think somebody else is going to save them and even when they come into my program i'll be very specific that i'm not a babysitter you will not see me with wet wipes you do the way you do the work and the people who do the best will tag that on board and will do the work without expectation and guess what happens they achieve life

life changing results and you see with you yeah people can say that but they don't see the fucking shit you've went through they don't see all the bullshit the checks coming in and going Jesus Christ is this all? You know no it wasn't too dissimilar it wasn't too dissimilar for me but

you know the work works but it's time and time you know we have timelines That's what we do. And I was going out or create a positive future or it's not. That's the decision making revenue now. People need to step up. Believe it or not,

this will be like super good when he's done. Like all this. No, no, I know. He'll clip it all that. You'll watch. You'll be like, fuck, that's like flawless.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I do, I do, what do you call it? The ad reads? Listen, the ad reads.

What are I now? The aders. Thank God it's, I get embarrassed. I get a little embarrassed, right? Oh. You got to read this thing. And by the way, so...

Oh, you have to read this for the... When do you do it up, before and after? Well, we do it like once a month. Like, I'll have a couple sheets. The difference is this. Here's the thing. You could take that and you could read it, right? I have dyslexia.

I read like a fourth grade level. Keep on, I'm writing books. I would write the books in prison. I would write them like I'd write a chapter, and I'd go around and I give it to the guys that I thought were smart, and I'd say, read this, and then they would be like, yeah, bro, you misspelled this. This is a run-on sentence.

This is, you misspelled this. And then they'd give it back to me. You might want to think about using, you know, instead of wind whatever, turbulence is probably a better word. And they'd throw in a couple. They'd help me. Because, you know, there's no word. I mean, there's no computer. I'm writing on a legal pad.

And then I'd go and I'd type it in the computer, print it out again, let them read it again. Then I'd send it to someone on the street. They'd print it out. We'd read it again. I'm getting three and four times we're going to. Then eventually I get a manuscript. Send it in. We read it a couple times.

Boom. I got a finished product. That's how long it's taking. So, but I write at a, I have dyslexia. I always went to schools for kids with learn disabilities. So when I read this stuff,

it's horrific. And so what I'll do is I'll read, I'll find like the maybe the first three sentences I can memorize and then I'll do this. I'll put it down and I'll say, you know, you know, do you wake up in the, or sorry, do you wake up in the middle of the night sweating? Yeah.

And I stop and I look down. Well, if you get cool pillow and then I go through and then I read the next thing and I freeze and then I look that. So I can do that for maybe three lines and sometimes I can remember one or two lines. And then I'm like, Colby, like, you could read the next one. Then I'll read the next paragraph and I'll read it two or three times because it's really bad. and then and then the next say the next sentence and then I'll read it twice and I'll like you know

well if that's the case you should be thinking about you know getting cool pillow and then I stop and then I read the next he puts it all together with the B roll and when it's done it's perfect yeah listen amazing

I hear it I'm like I'm a professional I'm amazing yeah you feel like I'm insane after but that's the that's the I can see the two you work together you see it's a it's a

it's a match mate in heaven we'd say we'd say in Ireland you know what I mean two two two good lads here like solid no bullshit well there's me and then there's Colby yeah I'm phenomenal because you may you just meet some people and you get on well with them

most people here have got on well with but it's a seven and you meet something you just go man something I can't get to it's like now I'm at ease it's like I'd never met you before so you're going be a little bit fucked you know what i mean it's but once we were 20 minutes in that's when i know there's two solid guys in front of me because i've been on certain stuff where i'm madmus

that there's something about this that i don't like it's like an intuition you have yeah yeah the story will always be better on a podcast when you're at ease of say talking to your friend at home just makes things a little easier more relaxed here sitting yeah where you don't have to think about what to say you know you can just flow we could have talked a lot more of course but i'm a big believer in intuition yeah intuition is big well it's your good feeling listen it listen every time i've and this is the same i already know for you because this is just the way it is every time you've ever cheated on your girlfriend and you came home at the same time you always come home nothing you get home you walk in you sit down you hey baby what's going on you sit down and

she's like where you been what you mean where about and you're like and she's like what's going on i came out come home the same time every night they just know it's the same thing every times a chick has screwed around on me, I felt it days before I, before you one day just go, something's not right and you figure it out. You felt it. Nothing changed. There's nothing different. It was just that feeling. So I'm big, listen, when I would go, I've been in the bank before, cashed a check for like 29 grand. And the guy's just like, he knows. He knows. And he's called. I know he called here. They answered the phone. They covered it. I know he called this person. they covered i know he's everything he's doing he's like everything is covered everything says

give this guy the money but i know something's wrong and you're sitting and i'm sitting there thinking this poor bastard he's he knows something's up and it's killing him so by some buzzed up when you're leaving with the money yeah oh exactly uh walk out the door yeah yeah well they figured it out when like the Secret Service showed up a week later. Why'd you let him leave if you knew? I don't know. Yeah, everything was covered. You do all your stuff on Instagram?

Instagram, Facebook. Like, you know, it's a seven-figure business in the last 16 months. So I'm very happy with that, but a lot of work. Again, we're talking about, you know, what does it take? But people will go, whoa, it's like in Ireland, people are very critical of people. It's like the person win the big house on top of it, oh, they got lucky. Whereas I think in America you're better. I have American members and Canadians

and they're much better to work with for the simple reason and maybe you should cut that piece out because they will piss people off, yeah. So, you know, working well, I find coming to America, this will be better. Because one of the lads was looking to go,

as you were a cunt. Right, it's coming to America, I find people are a little bit more welcoming of your success is what I will say. They'll want you to do better. And it's not necessarily the case where I'm from. We're very welcoming people. We will welcome you in and we will cook.

But if you do better, say to know you're in a group of people and then you just decided that you wanted to do better and you're step up. Sometimes people have a problem with that. Yeah. I was going to say,

have you ever heard the term, your father is the only man alive that will ever want you to do better than him. Absolutely. It's funny, I have a buddy. I won't name is to say who he is because he's super private. But I mean, he's got,

listen, he's got a for Ferrari. He's got, like, he's got a ton of just cars, huge house, gorgeous wife, adorable kids, the two perfect dogs. Like, it just makes a ton of money. And I've never seen him angry, never seen this guy angry. He called me one day, and he's, he, he was somewhere talking to somebody. And he, they were saying, oh, you just, what was, what did you just, did you just get a new car? He's like, yeah, I got this car, whatever. And the guy said, um, he goes, oh, must be nice. And he, listen, he called me up, fuming.

He was like, this motherfucker. He's like, I was like, oh, yeah. He said, I kind of laughed about it. He was, because we're at a place where my wife, it's her friends, we're there. He said, but it took everything in me not to say, it is nice. Do you have any idea what I had to do to get here? Do you have any idea how much I risked? How much I had to starve?

How many times I, you know, just how many times I came close? to having nothing, how I saw the opportunities that everybody else around me didn't see or they saw, but they didn't act, or I spent all my money to get this, this thing developed. And then I had to sell it, like all the things like, you went to high school, went to school, ended up going to work for like the police department, and God bless you. But that's a, but that's a regular job or whatever, you know, a government job. you got a government job because it was safe and you knew for sure

you were going to go on and be okay you're going to have a pension you're going to have these things you know that sort of thing you know my for the last 15 years that it took him to build this business he's like that whole 15 years he said it was gut-wrenching 80 hours a week I don't know if I'm going to be able to pay my rent next month yeah agony until it hit and he's like and it may not have hit

it's it's absolutely perseverance and just grit that got him there so and nothing ever makes this guy mad by the way like I mean when he was telling me this I was sitting on the phone like what the fucker is pissed I can I can see him walking

around his house like that and I'm like all right well you know he didn't know keep in mind he's an unhappy person well thank God he's unhappy you know I'm like all right come down but yeah people do they There's sometimes they, you know, so even here, you know, because people that tend to say that, oh, it must be nice.

Like, oh, yeah, it felt, I played the lottery. Yeah, you're right. I was, I had my job. I went and scratched it off and now I'm a multi-millionaire. That's not how this happened. No, you just want to give them a slap. I seriously, if someone says that, something like that, I won't get many comments, but you know how some people can behave around you. But it's like you said, I like, because their skills, like grit, determination, fortitude, fucking focus.

All of it is a skill. people we weren't born with any of this like we must learn it but it's they're very perishable people can do it for a few months so maybe we can do it for a year but nah they just haven't received what they think they're worth it's that what's it called entitlement is actually oh absolutely entitlement it's a good word to use and you know you see it a lot and then it's yeah and then you see the same people who are going on claiming what they don't want they're you know going out drinking on the weekends they're going out sniffing drugs on the weekends and and they're complaining why they don't have that life.

Well, you know, they're losing the amount of time someone loses, man. When we figured this out, if you just took drugs once a month, you're nearly going to lose a week out of your life, as in you're not going to be productive. You're not going to be moving forward. That's scary as well. So, 25% of your year. But when you start utilizing all of it and use the skills we talked about, yeah?

And listen, man, use the negative energy as a positive force to propel you forward. That's what it's about. So use all that bullshit comments. people say use them for your own good you know what's funny i don't know anybody that's successful i don't know anybody that's successful that that doesn't want other people to be successful i know plenty of losers that hate on successful people but i don't know anybody who's successful that doesn't say you know man i bro i hope that works out i want the best for you how can i help you that's a that's great good idea what are you doing like successful people tend to want to make people

other people successful, that I know of. And there are those some people that climb the ladder of success and kick it out from underneath them. But most successful people I know climb the ladder of success and invite people to come. But, you know, I just think, but I know tons of people that aren't successful that do nothing but bitch and moan and gripe and you're, and they don't even realize that that's a huge part of the, that's a huge part of the reason that you are where you are. Fact.

You know, if you go, if you stop that and been humble and appreciative for what you, you do had and work hard, you'd be in a great space pretty quickly, you know, at least a better space every day. And at some point, it just takes off. Well, it's the compound effect at the end of the day. It's like, you know, when I talked about stacking wins, it's essentially what you said. You just show up for yourself, right? You do the right things. That could be just getting up a little bit harder. That could be getting that better quality of breakfast. That could be fucking, you know, telling someone, you know, you appreciate them. Again, it comes down to gratitude. And then, you know, you work towards Creighton,

your absolute best ultimate version, whatever that is, because that's different for everybody. Some people are happy with that, some people are happy with that, and some people are happy there. Like, it doesn't, you know, it's not,

not, but it is different for everybody. And it's, but it's leading by our actions. It's if someone's looking at you. Do you know, I know, when I came in and I asked you the question, I said,

fuck, you've been at this on you, you would have been at it. I couldn't, I had an in and around time for him before I came here, but when you said, this is the fourth year. Yeah, like at the start, it wasn't like,

this now imagine in another four years what you're capable of you're you know it's it's not you can't put a time on it and say well i'm gonna have this but um but if you look at your trajectory and we look at the evidence man fuck my man it's you're gonna be an unstoppable force to do you i can say that good people man hopefully we're working on it no no you will be don't be using words like hopefully that's a bullshit word man i am and i will don't fucking hopefully i want to try and remain humble i want to be humble and be appreciative for what I do have. But you are, but you're doing right by the world as well. Like when you're doing right by the world, I get what you're saying. It's yes to be humble, but it's the words have an effect as well on, on how you think. Like if, you know, when we say words,

people create thoughts from those words. You know, it's funny is that, um, is that my wife feels like I work all the time, all the time, right? And I don't feel like I work ever. Even, even, though I am here and I am on the but to me I'm like I'm doing stuff that to me it's like it's hit or miss sometimes I'll do something I'll work on a whole project and guess what it just goes the way it's I'd never make it anything I work on another project next thing you know boom it pays off and you make a few thousand dollars you know it's those types of things I'm always working on different things you know sometimes they pay off sometimes they don't but I like everything I do and I enjoy working just constantly you know and the great thing is like you know

working for yourself if she says hey do you want to go to lunch you're like yeah let's go to lunch, you know, or hey, let's go do this. Absolutely. You know, but like, we're going to go play, go bowling here in a little bit. Nice. But, you know, if not, I'd probably be here until she yelled to come watch the new, the new episode of silo, you know, or something, you know, so. I would work all the time, but I could just because I really just enjoy it. But I think that's also something that you have to train yourself to realize that you're not working. This is just something you enjoy. And then it immediately stops becoming work. Absolutely. but again it's it's how you think you know you think about your thoughts um you think about how you talk

to yourself you know again it's if people are not getting the results they want in in the real world it's you know they have to look within but they're always looking outside for something else or someone else or something else or this doesn't go on my way no motherfucker go within it's a mindset reset it's always an inside job when people understand that and you bring in the how you think how you talk to yourself then the feeling it's that's always the feeling that's attached to one of the visual or the auditory that's coming in, you attach more good feelings

by doing the heart shit. You know, we know that. Like how many people would do four years or the first two or three years and really not getting paychecks? Not many people will do that. I think, you know, here, here, I think a lot of people would do

the three or four years if they knew there was a paycheck. But the thing is, that's the problem. You don't know. We're going and going and going. And we don't know if there's, there's a paycheck at the end of it.

But you feel it, but you don't know. And there'll be more, I can pretty much, I'm very confident leaving here today and it's actually that the paychecks will be a hell of a lot bigger the next time I come back and visit here.

So I'll definitely be back in a year or two. Come and see us. So I remember that now. Newer cars outside for Savius, bigger house, maybe a nice house. Yeah, we'll have another plaque on the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. That's 100%.

hundred percent now next step all right is that yeah i think it's good where do i where do i tell people to go guys to follow for more and to find out a little bit more about me and follow me at d row method so d r o w method all right what is it d row method so it's mine it's d row method so it's mine it's d roll met it's one more d roll oh okay d roll d r should i say it out again and spell the whole lot yeah yeah you probably spell it okay but so d For Derek, roll my second name, R-O-W-E, and M-E-T-H-O-D. What is M-E-T-H-O-D? Like, M-E-T-H-O-D.

How do you spell it? I spell it. How do you spell it? M-E-T-H-D. Met-T. Met-E-T. M-E-T-H-D. Method. Method. Method. M-E-T-H-D. Method.

Yeah, I better spell this. Maybe, maybe, maybe you're better signer. Okay. Well, no, yeah, we'll say it. I mean, I might leave this in. Just because people like that. People like this. Some of the words I've said, I could see him when I was talking going,

What the fuck does that mean? What is the method? I could see he was very confused at least 10 times throughout this conversation. So it's D-Role method. D-R-Method. Yeah, D-R-R-Met. R-W-E. D-R-Methe.

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