Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - JEFFREY EPSTEIN WHISTLEBLOWER EXPOSES OFFENDERS, VICTIMS, & MORE | EPSTEIN'S BLACK BOOK EXPOSED

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

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And I came across Epstein's Black Book. The Black Book contains the names and numbers of a lot of perpetrators, but it also contains the names and numbers by 200 figures. And you think that this ties into the Diddy case. You put Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book on the Internet. Is that right? I did indeed. In 2015, four years before the case broke nationally.

I had written a book called The Franklin Scandal, a started Powerbroker's Abuse and Betrayal, about an interstate trafficking network that was essentially a carbon copy of Epstein's trafficking network. It involved hijacked grand juries, like Epstein, the cover-up involved hijacked grand juries. And I had that book published in 2009-2010, the Franklin scandal, and it took a lot out of me. I spent seven years on that book,

and going into a trafficking network as deep as I went, and talking to a lot of victims is pretty brutal. And I spent my own money on it. I just felt there was an important story because I have this notion, and most of the mainstream media doesn't agree with me, but I have this notion that children shouldn't be trafficked with impunity. Many people in the mainstream media find that to be a strange notion, but I do have that notion.

It does seem that way, doesn't it? Yes, definitely. And I'll get into examples of it, too. And so the book was first 2009, 2010, and then I saw what was going on in Florida with Epstein. And I suspected that he was running a network also, that he was trafficking children. At that point in 2002, I mean, this was long before just about anybody heard of him, or I should say, 2012. I went down to Florida. and doing my thing, I was knocking on the doors and walking the streets and doing my

investigative thing. And I came across Epstein's Black Book in 2012. And I came back to New York, and I tried to sell that story on Epstein's Black Book. And no one wanted to touch it. No one wanted to touch it. Can I have a quick question? But what do you say you came across? his book. How does that happen? Someone gave it to. Okay. And I, the thing about it is I've been

able to get a lot of documentation that I shouldn't have because I don't give away sources. But anyway, I did come across this black book and I went to all these major magazines in New York City. And I live in New York City. And I tried to pitch some of the black book and no one wanted to touch it. Nobody. And then in 2012, Gawker finally published it. And then it became an internet phenom, and everybody wrote articles about it. But what is interesting is I knew, I started to call victims.

The Black Book contains the names and numbers of a lot of perpetrators, but it also contains the names and numbers about 200 victims. So I started to call victims and they talked about being flown around and they also talked about his island and his island really hadn't come up at that point or it had very little and at that point I realized that Jeffrey Epstein was operating a nationwide

traffic network and he was pairing children to very powerful people and that was the exact same same thing with the Franklin scandal, that the true permanent attempts, Lawrence King of Omaha and Craig, Spencer, Washington, D.C., were flying kids all around the country. And there was also blackmail involved, and I found out that all of Epstein's homes were white charioterbishop

blackmail. And his mansion on Fifth Avenue, he had a room that had monitors that, according to victims, people, as in plural, would monitor the, would look at the monitors, would, I should say, monitor the monitors. And when I started to uncover this stuff about Epstein, I realized that it's a lot like

the Franklin scandal. And as I said earlier, the mainstream media doesn't really seem to be concerned about the welfare of children. They were probably not salacious dirt on Jeffrey Epstein, but no one said, hey, Jeffrey Epstein traffic children for 25 years. We need to do something about this. No one said that at all in the meeting.

I have a question. Was this prior to him getting that sweetheart deal he got down in Florida? Was this prior to that or was after that? It was after that. He got the sweetheart deal in 2008. How Epstein came into public consciousness was, a 14-year-old girl went to her parents and confessed that she had been by Jeffrey Epstein. And the Palm Beach Police Department just viewed Epstein as a billionaire philanthropic type. So they spent a year investigating Jeffrey Epstein, and they ultimately had five underage victims who came forward, and they had 12 people who corroborated the underage victims.

And they were going to indict Jeffrey Epstein on five consensualities. The Palm Beach Police Department knew of 17 other kids that Epstein had. So in all of, we're talking 22 kids that Jeffrey Epstein had a lawsuit with, that the Palm Beach Police Department. And there was a grand jury, and that grand jury was very big. very, very corrupt. I don't know if your audience knows about grand juries, but they're very, very easy to corrupt. A New York Supreme Court judge once said special prosecutors of grand juries have so much power over grand juries that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. Right. And the Franklin scandal, there were two very corrupt rangers. Actually, three of those,

one in Washington, D.C., that there was no trafficking. Well, you mean, I'm sorry, I want to clarify You mean that they're corrupted, not that the actual jurors are corrupt. They're just manipulated. Well, yeah, they're manipulative. A special prosecutor is chosen to show evidence to the grand jurors who are just regular citizens who have shown up the jury. And essentially what the special prosecutor shows them as evidence and the witnesses that he calls, those are how the grand jurors are going to make up their minds.

Right. If a special prosecutor, went in with the agenda that we're going to indict Jeffrey Epstein on five counts of trafficking. He would have had five kids come forward and tell their story and Jeffrey Epstein. But that grand jury didn't indict Jeffrey Epstein on one count of the police. And the special prosecutor in Florida was very, very corrupt. It was a woman and Bel Lovic. And she was one of the, she only called two victims and one of them was 18 years old.

and one of them was 16 years old at the time they were called, but one had been when she was, the 16-year-old had been when she was 14, and the 18-year-old had been when she was 16 or 17. And these were kids, and the special prosecutor was calling them prostitutes. I mean, it was, those transcripts were released earlier this year. And actually, I did a podcast on the entire Grand Jury, because I wanted to show essentially how corrupt it was. Is that on your channel?

Yes, it's on my channel. Nick Bryant podcast. And when the grand jury verdict was announced, Michael Ryder was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, and he just hit the roof because he knew, the grand jury said that Jeffrey, I was in a single kid. and Michael Ryder was the police chief of the Palm Beach Police Department and he's one of the unsung

heroes in this story because he took a lot of heat a lot of heat he was followed and there were all kinds of intimidation tactics that were used against him but he went he just exploded when that grand jury didn't come back with any abuse indictments and then he went to the feds and the feds were Alexander Acosta was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. And Michael Ryder went to Alexander Acosta, the U.S. attorney, and said, somebody, this is such a huge miscarriage of justice. This is probably the biggest miscarriage of justice that I've seen in my lifetime. You, the Justice Department, has to go after Jeffrey Epstein, has doing that in my child

least. And at that point, the feds had a list of 35 victims, 35 underage victims. And they didn't indict Jeffrey Epstein on one count of trafficking. And according to Alexander Acosta, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District, he said that he was told to stand down from prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence and it was above his pay rate. And he's never denied saying that. So obviously, some very powerful people intervened to project Jeffrey Epstein.

A U.S. attorney can be told to stand down by two people in the government, the president and the attorney general. Now, that message can be delivered by a million of the president or the attorney general. But it has to emanate from the highest of highs. And for the feds to cover data was really egregious. And then the feds made this crazy deal with Jeffrey Epstein, where he was sentenced to 18 months in a county jail. He was allowed to go out during the day. And no one else that participated with him, his little girls, they were all indemnified. And ultimately, Epstein did 13 months in an accounting jail where he was allowed to go.

God during the day, and he turned his wing in kind of into the Taj Mahal, essentially. And then, I mean, I believe that he was children. Well, he was ostensibly incarcerated, but he was certainly trapping them after his incarceration. And that, the feds intervened in 2008. So they, you know, when, so when the, you know, whatever, the state attorney was referring to the victims as, as, as, prostitutes. I mean, they, but that wasn't, he wasn't paying them to come there and, and, and, and, and, wasn't he, like, luring him there as, like, for massages and things like, he was luring them to an area where he could kind of take advantage of them, right? Like,

I'm wondering why she would have referred to anybody as a prostitute. Laura Bell Lovic was so corrupt that, I mean, her marching orders were obviously, we're going to cover this up. Right. To quash this. And that's, that's what she did. And then, and then the feds covered it up. But think about that. Here we have the most prolific trafficker ever acknowledged by law enforcement. Jeffrey Epstein trafficked children for 25 years. And both the state of Florida and the federal government covered it up. Covered up trafficking is probably the most heinous of crimes. Right. And our government covered up Jeffrey Epstein's 25-year traffic. trafficking network.

So why do you think that is? Because, and I get into this in a number of things that I've written, there was blackmail involved, definitely. Epstein's house in D.C. was wired for audiovisual blackmail, according to victims. When the Palm Beach Police Department served a search warrant at this

house, and they came across hidden cameras. And the island was wired for audiovisual blackmail, and his New Mexico place was probably where for artificial blackmail too. And he pandered to some very powerful political people and some very powerful financial people.

And if there's video footage of someone, a minor, their own, they're going to vote exactly how you tell them to vote. And we saw this with the Franklin Scandal, too. The Franklin Scandal, one of the pimps was the CIA. And according to Alexander Acosta, Jeffrey Epstein was also a CIA asset. That's the part I'm wondering. Do you think that that's true? That Jeffrey was a CI asset?

Yes. Absolutely. Alexander Acosta was told to stand out. A U.S. attorney was told to stand out. So that has to come from the pinnacle of power. As I said earlier, the president or the attorney general. I mean, though that can be delivered by a million of the president. or the Attorney General, but it was definitely

either from the executive or the Department of Justice at the apex of the executive branch or Department of Justice. So that's why I believe, one of the reasons why I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in blackmail is because

there's a dark, malignant corner of our government that blackmail week. And we talk about how the KGV black people, the CI blackmail people too. And the CI continues to blackout people. Yeah, I was going to say, did you ever read that book? Do you ever read the book, Economic Hitman? Yes. Confessions of an economic hitman. I was going to say, that whole book is about blackmailing, getting people into, getting entire countries into a position where you can blackmail them, obviously with financial incentives, but

it's still the same premise and they go through extraordinary lengths to get to over to get these countries into extreme debt so they can then you know have them vote their way or manipulate them with this well we knew that jagger hoover was a blackmail artist and he was a blackmail artist for for many many years and when i was initially cutting my keith on the franklin scandal i was able to get to one of the blackmail photographers and I was trying to understand it all, and he said it's, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht, and it's a beautiful yacht, and it's a beautiful day. And you can have anything you want on that yacht. But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are

going to make sure that you grow up. And that's where blackmail is. But that's why no one's coming forward about being blackmailed. I can give you a couple of examples of people that were blackmailed. Larry Craig was a senator from Idaho, very conservative senator from Idaho, and he had been in Washington, D.C. for 25 years. He was initially U.S. representative, and then he ultimately became a senator. And he had the worst record, or one of the worst records of voting against gay rights. And he was a closeted homosexual. And I wrote a book called Confessions of a D.C.

matter of the politics of sex lies and blackmail. And I wrote it with Henry Vincent was... Yeah, I feel like I remember that book. Had a gay escort service. And he was pandering to Larry Craig. And then there was a movie called Outrage made by Tribby Dick, a very esteemed documentary maker nominated for two Academy Awards, where he interviews people that other escorts that

Craig had sex with. So Craig is getting escorts from Henry Vincent, and he's also getting escorts from wherever he could get escorts. And he was ultimately busted in an airport bathroom. And I guess this is kind of a nomenclature that I'm. not really familiar with, but in bathrooms, I guess, if someone slaps their foot against the floor, that's a signal to the other person that, you know, that they're hot to try. So there was a vice squad that was slapping his foot on the floor, and Larry Craig

propositioned him. And here's a U.S. senator, a U.S. senator, propositioning a vice going to cop in a bathroom, in an airport, in Minneapolis. And how hard would it be to compromise a guy like that? I mean, you give a kid a smartphone and an after-school project, he could have compromised, Craig. Right. And it's funny because I'm from Minneapolis. And I was in a bathroom in Minneapolis sitting on the commode.

and then, and the saw next to me, someone was slapping their foot. I guess the floor, and I thought that they had a neurological disorder. I had no idea what they were up to, and I'm glad I didn't say, could I help you? So Larry Craig is a guy that was obviously kind of wrong. Dennis Hastert was the Speaker of the House. He was the number, according to our Constitution, he was the number three guy as far as power. If the president goes down, the vice president goes down, then Dennis Hastert would have been the president. And he underage boys going back in many, many years, many years.

And he ultimately came to speaker of the house and he was a strong-armed specialist. He would really, really try on people to get them the way that he wanted the voter. I'm sure that he had blackmail material too. but Hastert ultimately retired and one of the victims of his started blackmailing him and the FBI went after Hastert although and now Hastert decided to get off the I don't know why but if the FBI the FBI could have gone to the person that was blackmailing Hastert and say stop blackmailing Hastert or else were the FBI and you're going to be in a lot of trouble that, but they went after Hastert instead.

And there was an FBI interpreter named Sabelle Admins. And in lawsuit documentation, the FBI knew about Dennis Haster, going to places of ill-reput in real time. So Dennis Haster, I believe, was very compromised. And he was the number three guy as far as power constitutional. So you're, so it's not it's, okay, so that's, that's one example. I just give me two examples. I'm sorry, that's, okay. And you think that it's because Epstein had, had black men material on people like that,

that he was told to stay down. Somebody, somebody who knows somebody asked a favor, to ask the prosecutor to stand down. They stand down. No, the prosecutor was ordered. The U.S. attorney was ordered to stand it. Well, you know, I, okay. Yeah, ordered.

Right. He was told, hey, stand down. Don't push this. But eventually, eventually Epstein does end up with the 18 months, which is a slap on the wrist. You know, he has to basically sleep. You get tired, you come to the jail,

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And then, but so that doesn't really curb his, his appetite at all. He continues after that. Well, he continues, I think. his addiction becomes much foreign pets, but then he's also trafficking these girls, too. There's a U.S. congressman named Kim Bershett from Tennessee, and I had him on my podcast, and he is taught quite openly that many of his colleagues in Congress are compromised to hunting for us. Honey traps are not something that is new. I mean, political blackmail is as old as fry. As old as politics, I'll give me an example of people think their founding fathers were saints,

and what they did was quite amazing, but they had their foibles. Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a 23-year-old woman who was married, and her husband was blackmailing Alexander Hamilton. And there was a muck-raking journalist who outed Alexander Hamilton. and this affair and he felt and Thomas Jefferson Alexander Hamilton really

had a tremendous amount of antipathy towards each other so when Thomas Jefferson became president this muckrager felt like Jefferson would give him a position in the administration because he outed Hamilton

and he didn't so the muckrager outed Jefferson on having an affair having an affair with one of his slaves named Sally Hemings and actually DNA has corroborated that. Right.

So political blackmail has been with the United States as long as the United States is existed. Okay, well then so at one point though Epstein does get indicted.

What happened with Epstein, was, and this happened with Craig Spence, and I also believe it happened with Diddy. If you're a blackmailer, you cannot receive a lot of media attention, because that's going to end your gig as a blackmailer. One of the pimps in the Franklin scandal had a lot of stories written about him, and he ultimately killed himself. Now, people on the internet think that he was suicided. I don't believe that. I believe that he killed. killed himself. But I also believe that he was probably told either you're going to kill yourself

or we're going to kill you. Take your choice. And with Epstein, there were articles coming out from the Miami Herald. They did a series on him. So his ability to be a blackmailer was completely disrupted. And there was just too much meaning on him. And I believe that that's why he would taken out why he was arrested. Okay. What do you think, so what do you, what happened with the, with his untimely demise? How do you call it? What did you say he was a suicided?

Yeah. Well, I mean, there are so many anomalies that occurred in that prison. The guys were sleeping and one of them wasn't really a guard. His cellmate had been taken out. The cameras weren't working. I believe that Jeffrey Epstein, well, I mean, obviously, either he killed himself or someone helped him. But here's the thing about that. Everybody, it's kind of like a red herring.

Everybody focuses on whether or not Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. But no one focuses, and our media is certainly guilty of this, no one focuses on Jeffrey. Epstein trafficked underage girls for 25 years. No one focuses on that. I've read a lot of Jeffrey Epstein articles, and I've written some Jeffrey Epstein articles. I've noticed that about our mainstream media. No one is taking the mainstream media to task for the grave injustices that were covered up by the Justice Department. And I believe that there are people in the media that are blackmail. Media personalities

are as susceptible to blackmail, I think, as politicians. But with politicians, you're dealing with alpha males. They're highly sacks. They're arrogant. And nothing makes people stupid like sex inheritance.

Those two things. And then when you combine them, there's a very powerful synergy that makes people really stupid and makes them highly susceptible to blackmail. well i mean i think that people are probably focusing on the fact that he you know that he potentially was um you know i don't know what you say what killed or assassinated whatever you want to call it um murdered so i i think that people are focusing on that because you know once again that shows that somebody in the government

because it would have taken a someone with an extreme amount of power to pull that off. So, you know, so I think they focus on that because maybe they're thinking that's like a, I don't know, you know, is there a, is there a smoking gun somewhere? I can tell you why that's being focused on. Because the mainstream media is focused on that. Okay. The mainstream media has not focused on justice for all those vacuums.

The mainstream media is just focused on whether or not Epstein killed himself. That, that's the sad truth about it all. I mean, the mainstream media was good at kicking out salacious articles about Bill Gates. And actually, I believe that that report was about Bill Gates was probably wrong, too. According to the mainstream media, Jeffrey Epstein met Bill Gates in 2011. But I've got an article from the evening standard, the UK's evening in Sanberra that says that they were doing business in the 19th. This is before, this article is from 2001. And it also talks about Jeffrey Epps' intelligence connections.

Our media was very shoddy when it was reporting on Jeffrey Epps and his crimes. When you think about, like when I got the black, there were, I don't know, 200 victims in it, but there were a lot more victims. And there were victims in California, there were victims in Mexico, there were victims in New York, there were victims in London, there were victims in Paris. Jeffrey Epstein's that I'd have found out was intercontinental. So all these kids were destroyed. And what the media doesn't convey, which is really a shame, is that... Colgate Total is more than just your favorite toothpaste.

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Human traffickers are vicious, vicious people. And the media has made Epstein and Maxwell out to be not nice, but certainly not as vicious as they actually were. There have been a couple of books written by Epstein survivors, and we've got lawsuit documentation. and I've seen a matchwell were vicious people vicious and the media really hasn't reported on that either which is really another sad thing that that's been neglected in the absent case so you feel like this ties into to the ditty case well okay so I wrote a book called the Franklin scandal right

Story of power brokers should be some of the trail. And Epstein was essentially a carbon copy. I believe that the Franklin network was bigger than the Epstein network, but it was only around about 11 or 12 years. Whereas Epstein trafficked kids for, I think, probably about 25 years. And what you've got with Diddy is something very similar. we know that all of Diddy's homes were wired for Audubishi Blackmail too and that he recorded his free bus. That has been corroborate by multiple people. And the thing with Diddy was he'd been a thug and a rapist for years, for years.

But there were, when the feds shook him down, there were, I believe, at least five lawsuits. that have been launched at him. Right. It might have been as high as eight. And two of those lawsuits were minors. They've been minors when they had allegedly been by Diddy. And then Little Rod, a hip-hot producer, King Fuller, and said that Diddy was constantly trafficking children.

And here's the connection between those two. There was a U.S. attorney named Damian Williams, And he was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Manhattan or New York, which generally makes him the most powerful federal law enforcement officer in New York City. And he was the guy that carefully choreographed Galane Maxwell's trial. There were four victims that were called in Galaisal's trial, and those four victims had only been by Epstein and Maxwell. They didn't know of all the other power brokers because they had been, their abuse had been somewhat insular.

Damian Williams is also the U.S. attorney that oversaw the grand jury that indicted on, that indicted P. Diddy. And here's a fun fact. both Maxwell was Mattiswell was indicted on conspiracy and Diddy was indicted on conspiracy but no one else was indicted I mean how can you be indicted on

conspiracy when nobody else is indicted so Damien Williams really covered up a number of the people that were involved with Diddy and he also covered up Diddy's trafficking and a nasty piece of word here is what we should be focusing on

Jeffrey Epstein's safe was drilled, and the FBI confiscated hundreds, if not thousands, of DVDs. And I think a lot of them were formed, but I think a lot of them were compromised DVDs. Why haven't we heard about that? Why has no one recorded that? They seem to have been put in a black hole. When Epstein died, the Justice Foreman said that the case was closed, so I filed a freedom Information Act, and I didn't want the DVDs. I wanted reports on the DVDs. And then the FBI told me that the case was ongoing. But if people really wanted to focus on something, they should be

focusing on those DVDs that were impounded from Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan home. Right. So, real quick, where is the Black Book still up that you put up? Yeah, it's all over now. yeah it's all you gotta do is tie band jeffrey i've seen blackbook it'll come up and the rendition that i put up there we black out the numbers of everyone but there's no numbers yeah but now there's versions of it that that are unredacted okay and only two and very few publications have given me credit for putting the black book on the internet. And I find that somewhat fascinating because tons of ink have been spilt on that black book. Tons of ink have been spilt on that black book.

And only two public, one publication mentioned my name, and another publication actually ran a story about me putting the black book on the internet. But other than that, mums the word about Nick Bryant and the Black Book. How the Black Book got ushered into public consciousness was Alfredo Rodriguez was a house manager for Jeffrey Epstein. And he purlined the Black Book in 2005, 2006. And when attorneys started launching lawsuits at Jeffrey Epstein, he tried to sell the Black Book to one of the attorneys. And the attorney called the FBI, and the FBI did a sting and got a hold of the black board. And Rodriguez said that he circled people that were in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein.

And then there were a number, and then there are people with numerous contact numbers. Alan Dershowitz had circled, and he has numerous contact numbers. Bill Clinton isn't circled, but Epstein had 25 contact numbers. for Bell Clinton. The former Senate Majority Leader, George Mitchell, I believe that either he's circled or there are multiple numbers for him, but one of the victims have come forward and said that he, as a minor. Ahud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel, is circled.

And he actually was living in the apartment building, or stayed in the apartment building. where Jeffrey Abstein put his victims, and one victim has come out and said that that she'd been in the lesson by Rahub Barak. Okay.

Okay, sorry, go ahead. And Ahud Barak was the Prime Minister of Israel. And this is, this theme is repeated with the Franklin scandal, is there were people at the pinnacle of power that were being pandered to by King and Spence. And that's one of the reasons why I could not get that book published.

It took me, everybody rejected that book. I mean, I had two agents try to sell it, or one maybe just look at the book proposal, and one tried to sell it. But no one would touch it because they thought that these people were just, they just had too much to lose by children. And we found out with Everstein that that is not the case. That doesn't mean anything, yeah.

These guys will take on critical risks. Yeah, I was going to say it's when you're when you're addicted, when it's an addiction, you, you toss a, you know, caution to the wind, right? Like, you know, how many, how many super powerful or rich people are alcoholics or, you know, doing some kind of drugs or, you know, they have, you know, they have issues. so you tend to plus you also get to that I think that status and you begin to feel invincible that the money will insulate you in some way so you take all kinds some people take all kinds of risks Leon Black who's a billionaire

inexplicably paid Jeffrey Epstein 150 million dollars why the reason at all no reason no just oh here's the reason that was offered by the mainstream media which is unbelievably disingenuous, it said that Jeffrey Epstein helped him save money on taxes. That's right.

Leon Black gave Jeffrey Epstein 159. And in 1987, Les Wexner, another billionaire gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over all his money, where Epstein could do whatever he wanted with any of Les Wexner's money, Les Wexner was the founder and CEO of Albrecht at that point, which owned Victoria's secret and Tommy Hilving, a number of flowing lines.

So, Les Wexner gives Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over all of every single dollar that he has. And the media, and I can't believe this, I mean, you talk about disingenuous, the media was either the New York Times or Vanity Fair, I'm leaning towards the New York Times, said that the reason why Les Wexner did that was because he was lonely.

So he gave Jeffrey Eustine power of attorney over billions of dollars because he was lonely. I mean, if you believe that, there's a bridge in Brooklyn that I can give you a very good deal. Well, there are

you know for a billion dollars you can you can buy a lot of company you don't need to give you don't have to sign it over to anybody but why would a major media outlet say something so so stupid i mean so it's very obvious that these media outlets went into cover mode too and there was the jeffrey ebtsy mickham's compensation fund which has been which has been horrible 225 women have come forward, 150 have been offered settlements, and eight have declined settlements, so money has been given to 142 Jeffrey Epstein-Bakins. And if you give money from that fund, you've got to sign an NDA saying that you're not going to sue anybody else.

So that fund is silencing victims that the government could silence. And it was put together by Jordana Feldman and David Boyce, who also represents one of the attorneys. And as soon as David Boyce, started representing Epstein victims, he conscripted a guy named Stan Pottinger. and Stan Panjur was an associate attorney general who covered up all kinds of stuff and then after he was done covering stuff up he decided well you know I'm going to be a criminal now and make a lot more money and he was during the Iran-Contra affair he was busted talking to Iranians on how they can import weapons without any red flags and there was a recording of that

of Stan Pottinger talking to these Iranians and Rudolph Giuliani was in charge of the case and the reason the Iranians went down and went to prison but the reason why Stan Pottinger didn't go to prison was because according to the Department of Justice the Justice Department lost the tape that had Stan Pottinger on, lost. I mean, they couldn't have given it as something a little more solid than just losing

the tape. And this is the guy that David Boyes conscripts to help him. So I believe that the Epstein-Beckes Compensation Fund is an intelligence operation covering up for an intelligence operation. And the narrative, we do not know why some women are given settlements and some Mark. But I know of two therapists and one's a psychologist and actually she's a very esteemed psychologist who believes absolutely that one of the women that she counsels was trafficked by I assume when he was under 10 years, when she was under 10 years old. And she was denied money from the fund. And then I know another therapist who had, who counseled someone and And this therapist believes that this woman had been trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein when she was under 10 years old.

So there's two accounts of that, and both of them applied for compensation, and the victim's compensation film wouldn't give them a dime. Because they didn't fit into the narrative. The narrative is that there weren't victim's younger than 14. That's how dirty the victim compensation fund is. well are they to to be able to apply and be granted you know some kind of relief from the fund like are they having to prove anything or they're just okay so they have to prove that hey i've been to the house i was contacted by them something there has to be some kind of prove you can just say it the first kit that that that i mentioned or the first person not actually was under tan she described the interior of geoffrey abstein's house in new york and and all she know all kinds of stuff about that i mentioned that was on her can't she described the interior of geoffrey abstein's house in new york and and all she know all kinds of stuff about about that neighborhood. And she did not grow up in that neighborhood.

And the psychologist really believes her. And as I said earlier, this is the psychologist that counsels her is one of the most esteemed psychologists in the United States, especially when it comes to working with abuse or trauma survivors. So that is the Victim's Conventation Fund. it's just another cover-up. And what's really, really egregious is that if someone signs, if someone, as I said earlier, if someone gets money from that compensation fund, then that's it. They sign an NBA. They can't sue anybody else. And that's really horrible

because victims of sexual abuse heal by talking about their abuse. I mean, that's how they heal. I've, because I've written about a lot about trafficking, I've gotten to know, and actually I've spoken at some very large trafficking conferences, the National Serenosexual exploitation has an international summit. Every year I've spoken at three of those summits and the International Cyphist Study and Trauma Dissociation, I've spoken at one of their international meetings and I've also spoken at a seminar that they put on. So I've got a lot, over the years, I've learned a lot about trafficking and what trafficking becomes the kind of abuse that they endure. And it's really a tragedy that these women sign these NDAs because it's ultimately going to affect their healing.

I'm back to the list, of course, you know, I'm back to the list, which is, what you're saying, exist but that that's fine and that that actually would make a lot of sense that that's why it's never being released it's that's why um i don't know uh whether you know it seems like there would be some kind of a something but i mean look up the have your audience google the emstein black book and you'll see that all the the people that are in that black book not not all of them are compromised pedophiles but a lot of them are ones that are certain i'm wondering I'm about the list. I'm wondering, is this a list that, you know, the list that's always being referenced. This may be a list of simply that the government has come up with. You know, hey, this is the list of the people that we think were, you know, were involved in this. Maybe it's not, you know, because they have to have had some kind of list. So it doesn't necessarily mean, the more I think about it, doesn't necessarily mean there's a list that that Epstein was keeping. It could have simply been a list that the government came up with to say, hey, these are people that we believe participants. and that that list, you know, may exist and they just never released it.

I'm wondering, you know, and it is very obvious. That's an entirely plausible scenario. But when people talk about the list, they're talking about Dwayne Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's list. And you're saying that you don't think that even, that even exists. That that's, and the closest to come is Blackwick. But what people should be focused on is. all these DVDs that the FBI impounded that seemingly went into a black hole. If you're going to get names of perpetrators,

they're definitely going to be on those reports that the FBI got those DVDs. It's the same thing with these, the Diddy, you know, the government had, you know, they confiscated or whatever, collected or, you know, in their, their raids, all of this equipment on Diddy, and they got a bunch of tapes, they've never admitted that they really have that there's anything on these tapes.

You know, it's circulating that there's child, that there are children, it's circulating that there's all this stuff, but the government's never come forward and said, hey, we have video of these events. Actually, there is someone from Homeland Security. And they've said that there's actual video of underage. Not of underage, but there's clandestine videotape.

That was impounded. it was well a clandestine could mean anything does that mean it's it's them having sex people yeah i mean not knowing that they were being recorded that there were all kinds of cameras and it was homeland security that rated ditties home in in l.a and also Miami right generally that is done by the FBI of interstate child trafficking or human trafficking that's but The Homeland Security does have a branch that deals with human trafficking, but that search warrant emanated from the Southern District of New York, Damien Williams, who I talked about covering up both Epstein and Maxwell and also covering up Ditty. Why would the search warrant emanate from the Southern District of New York when the searches went in now?

L.A. on Ditty's L.A. Holmes and then also on his Miami home, you'd think that they would come from the district of Southern California. And that is additional proof that Damien Williams is very corrupt. And he wanted to make sure that the Southern District did damage control on Ditty. And the fact that Diddy was indicted on a conspiracy and no one else was indicted is just further evidence that this is, This is a huge cover-up. Well, I think, so that I understand. It's funny because that's a little slightly difficult concept to understand where most people would be like, well, that doesn't make sense. He's going to indict him when and then covered up.

Just why not not indict him? Because the truth is he's about to be indicted by somebody. Like somebody's going to indict him. If he's going to be indicted, I want to be able to be the person indicting him so that I can run kind of interference for whoever is involved. in this whole thing so we can do damage control for those people so that it does make sense but the concepts a little bit you know most people aren't going to make that that leap they're going to be like that doesn't make sense but it does make sense exactly and damon williams has shown that he's willing to do the bidding of very very corrupt people and he is a very corrupt individual and he is a very

corrupt individual and stuff. He has resigned from the Southern District, being a U.S. chairman for the Southern District a couple of weeks ago. His job was done. Now it's going to be passed to someone else who's equally corrupt as him to cover up the rest of the Diddy's scandal. And again, Diddy was getting a lot of press attention because of these lawsuits. that had been launched at him. I think by March there was probably eight. And the media was reporting on them. And as I said, was Spence and the Franklin scandal on Epstein and also Diddy.

If you're a blackmailer, you're not going to be very successful at your job if people know that you've got hidden cameras. And those lawsuits definitely mentioned the hidden cameras. And plus, P. Diddy is. I mean, he sort of bad boy records with Clyde Davis in 1993. And Clive Davis, there was a documentary about him as being a benign archaeginarian and helping all these people in their careers. Flying Davis is a criminal, a big-time criminal. And he's been indicted for not defrauding the IRS once or charged not once,

Not twice, but three times he's been charged with defrauding the IRS. He was also involved in the biggest Peola scandal of all time. And that's when record companies give money to DJs or radio stations. Right. And there was a Jenna Bazy guy named Esquilfalkone who was busted smuggling a lot of into the United States of America. and the Fed started drilling into Pasquois-Falcone and they noticed that he and Clyde Davis

had set up a bunch of shell companies and Clive Davis was head of ABC Records at that point and Clyde, Clive Davis was sliding money into these shell companies and his part was a hand dealer and also in the Genovese Fire family. And you want to know how much time Clyde Davis did for all that criminality? 20, 30 years

He didn't do one day No That's crazy He had a much better deal than you did Yeah I didn't know the right people You got to know the right people And I'm sure that his criminality

exceeded yours by far But so The only way That a person Can not spend a day in jail with that degree of criminality as if he's working with the government. So I think that Clyde Davis took Diddy by the hand and they walked down the yellow brick road together. And that's where I think Diddy got his protection, started being his protection for all of his

criminality. And the molestation, I think there is over 120 sexual assault lawsuits against him. and a lot of them have been minors. He's been doing that all these years. And he's just good. But again, those lawsuits started coming and he started getting immediate. And then it was time to take him down. So I want to kind of touch on the, you've got a book that recently came out about Watergate.

It's funny because, oh gosh, I had a guy. on here a few months ago and I mentioned Watergate and I came kind of gave him the quick rundown of what had happened and he looked across the table from and he goes that's not right at all I was like what so I had I had the kind of the version that I had you know and I listen I wasn't that far off but I was further off than I certainly thought I was you know I really felt like Nixon I thought of in the know the entire time and kind of dictating the whole thing. I also thought that when the burglars went into the Watergate Hotel, that it was the first time, they were going in to actually bug for the first time when in fact, I found out

as we talked, that no, the burglars were removing the wires. And I was like, okay, I didn't know that at all. Like I had it completely off. Actually, still have it wrong. Really? Still? My book on Watergate contains 2,328 citations, I believe. I combed through thousands of pages.

I spent a long time on that book. But Watergate is very complex. It's a conspiracy within a conspiracy. So it's a very complex tale. And people that have written, a number of you have written great boats on Watergate, but they've made them so convoluted that the books have to be studied that they can't be read. What happened with Nixon is he had been a cold warrior

and a very staunch anti-communist. And when he was elected, and he ran in 1960 against John Kennedy and Louis B, but then he ran in 1968, and he was talking about extending olive branches to both the Russians and also the Chinese. He had realized, before our foreign policy had been one of containment, and that's why we were in Vietnam.

We were going to contain communism and Vietnam. And we had done that in South America, and we'd also done that in other parts of the world. And he realized that containment wasn't working. It was just very expensive. So when he was elected, president, I think on his second day, he issued National Security Memorandum, two, I believe it was called. And basically what he said was the CIA, the Pentagon, and the State Department

will have no bearing on my geopolitical points. So basically, because they were all hawks, so basically he was telling the hawks in the CIA and the Pentagon and the State Department to go to hell. And then he started doing clans. clandestine negotiations with the Chinese and also with the Russians. And with the Chinese, he opened up China for diplomatic relations. We hadn't had diplomatic relations with the Chinese since it had become communist. And then he told the Russians, because he really wanted to reduce nuclear weapons, and he told the Russians that he was willing to give up Vietnam if they were willing to start negotiating about

nuclear weapons. As I said, he was doing this in secret because he knew that the Hawks would be so much against him. And actually, the Joint Chiefs of Snap started an espionage ring against Nixon. It's called the Moore-Radford affair. It's been cited innumerable times. But the Joint Chiefs wanted to know exactly what Nixon was doing with the communists. So they, and this espion, espionage ring that was there for about three years before the next administration outed it. And after the next administration outed the, the espionage ring, then the CIA started infiltrating, the Nixon administration. And all those guys that broke into the Watergate were CIA, except for G. Gordon-Leddy. They were all CIA guys.

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But according to James McClard, who was ostensibly retired from the CIA, and he was one of the burglars. The bug wasn't working properly, or they planned two bugs and one of them wasn't working properly. So, G. Gordon Liddy, who was, I had to

hate the word, use this word again, was ostensibly head of the plumbers. He had McCord go in a second time. And here is the conspiracy within a conspiracy. The CI guys

worked very hard to get busted. the first time. They really wanted to get busted. They signed in to the Watergate at about midnight, and they signed into the Federal Reserve Board, which was on the eighth floor of the Watergate, and the Democratic National Committee was on the sixth floor. But the Federal Reserve had been burgled a month before. So there was intensified. security on the Federal Reserve, and that's, they signed, at midnight, you've got a bunch of guys signing in. I mean, and the security guard had the IQ of like an avocado. He couldn't, he couldn't parade together. So the second time they went in, one of McCord's Confederates, Alfred Baldwin, called the DC, there was an intelligence guy. in the D.C. police named Kyle Schofler told the D.C. police that there was going to be a break in in the wire gates. And Schoffler was improbably parked with two other police hours and probably parked a couple of blacks away from the wiregate that night.

And he shouldn't even been in Washington, D.C. So that is one of the conspiracies that was, perpetrated with Watergate is the CIA really wanted to take down Nixon, and they alerted the Washington Police Department. But the Watergate was also tied to a CIA hunting trap. There was a madam named Heidi Reichen, and she ran a CIA hunting trap in the Columbia Plaza apartment, which was about a block away from the Watergate. And if you went to the Democratic National Committee and you were a big shot, you would go to a secretary and ask her for like an album or a collection of pictures. But there would be pictures of all the prostitutes that were working at the Columbia Plaza. This is way pre-internet.

So it was kind of hands-out. So you looked at the prostitute that you'd want, and then the Columbia Plaza would be called, and you would get the prostitute. and then you'd also ultimately be compromised by the CIA because they had hidden gammers in that brothel. When the burglars got busted, one of them had the key to the drawer where the pictures were kept, and their photographic equipment was on top of that secretary's desk. So there's two conspiracies going on within Watergate. That's what makes it so unbelievably complex. Okay.

Well, why is the CIA conducting any type of operations within the United States? I mean, I... I mean, that's not them before. You've got chaos. You've got the CIA has worked... operated domestically for years. Right. Isn't that against their charter?

I mean, it's absolutely against their charter, but that doesn't stop them. And I believe, going back to the blackmail, I believe that there is a dart and a wignant corner of our intelligence that blackmails people. That's why they have that power. That's how they can tell a U.S. attorney to stand down. I mean, they have so much power that they can basically do whatever they want. well so how listen how big how thick is your book i mean tell me you didn't like if you're if you got that many citations what is this thing is this like you know it is not my book is not a tone these other watergate books are tones i tried to keep watergate as simple as possible

every sentence has it that the reason why there's so many citations is because Because every sentence has a citation. Okay. And the citations are either from government documentation or books or magazine articles. So most of it was mainstream stuff that I was able to triangulate. But the book is only 220 pages. My goal in writing this Watergate book, I've written through previous books about CIA blackmail operations. the Franklin Scandal, Confessions of the D.C. Madam. And then this one, and this is what got me

when I started to look into CIA honey traps, that's what led me to Watergate. And I also show that the famed reporters Bob Woodward and Cowburn are pathological liars. And the head of the Washington Post is also a CIA asset. And Woodward is definitely an intelligence asset for sure. And I really demonstrate that in the book. So the CIA really wanted to get rid of Nixon. They set up that botched burglary. And then the Washington Post went after him with CIA assets. Well, Kyle Bernstein wasn't a CIA.

I don't think he just wanted money for nothing and chicks for free as the dire straits would say. Okay. So was there an actual deep throat? deep throat is a composite but the most damaging information that was given to Woodward came from Alexander

Haig who was Nixon's chief of staff Alexander Haig hated Nixon but he was a shape shifter and he was able to become Nixon Nixon's former chief of staff when the Watergate episodes started to explode on him

he resigned and Hague, who had worked for the National Security Council, and actually Nixon, he started out as a colonel, Nixon made him a general. He was the guy that was giving really damaging information to Bob Woodward. Mark Felt was, I mean, that's such bullshit. Mark Felt wasn't even employed by the FBI when the most damaging information was coming out from Deep Throat. He had been fired by the FBI, and he was living in Virginia.

Now, according to Bob Woodward, he would move his flower pot on his balcony if he wanted to talk to Deep Throat, and Deep Thrope would walk by his apartment or drive by his apartment and look at his balcony. So we're supposed to believe that Hartfelt had been fired from the FBI six months earlier, and he's driving into Washington, D.C. every day and looking at Woodward's balcony for a flower pot. But here's the thing with that. The Woodward's apartment was facing a courtyard.

So for someone to look at Woodward's balcony, you would have to drive into an alley and get out of your car and walk about 50 feet and look straight up. And that's the story that they sold to us. with when they wouldn't a bridge too far when and when I say they I say Bob Woodward and his Confederates went a bridge too far when they named Mark Felt who was had a serious case of Alzheimer's as Detroit and I don't think that Mark felt probably remember what Watergate was and then Woodward said if Deep Throat wanted to contact him he would put a clock on a certain page of the New York Times. And then the New York Times would be delivered to his apartment with the clock guy. It was like page 20 or something like that.

And the clock delineated what time that they were, what time they were going to meet. And this, I mean, talking about incontinence with the mainstream media, all the newspapers that went into this apartment building were dumped. in the lobby. There's a pile of them in the lobby. And then you had to get the newspaper by going down to the lobby and picking it up. So there's no way that that system was even feasible because of how that apartment building handled newspapers. There are so many lies in Watergate. And they're so easy to prove because there's been such great books written about them. But as I said earlier, these books are tombs. They're hard to get. They're hard to

get through. And I wanted to simplify Watergate as much as it could be simplified. And it, and, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it's still somewhat complex because you've got a conspiracy run that against, uh, within a conspiracy. Okay. Well, um, have you done, did you do a, a, uh, a show with Danny Jones about the, uh, about Watergate, about your book? We focused mostly on abstain and ditty but I believe that I didn't talk

about a lot of it too okay um listen it's either way it's a great movie yeah well

it's a great movie um unfortunately it's all fitchin yeah you're getting you're getting too you're getting too tied down with the with the details there

you can't you know you have to you have to minip You have to shape things a little bit. You only have two hours of screen time at most. It is a great movie. And as a journalist, it shows what it's like pursuing a story. Unfortunately, it's all fiction. And Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein are, I mean, what cracked me up about them was they tell lies when they don't even need to tell lies.

I mean, there, I didn't, so I didn't know what you'd call that, either a serial liar or pathological liar. So I googled serial liar and it came up as pathological liar. I'll give you some examples. Bernstein said that he drove to Virginia and this torrential downpour to talk to someone that was going to give him information. And there wasn't any rain that day. Right. The National Weather Service. And then he said that there was a subpoena that was going to be served on him.

And then he ducked into an office and hung out and then went and watched Deep Throat while the subpoena server was going throughout the Washington Post billing. That's bullshit too because Deep Throat wasn't even plain. There was a bunch of litigation at that point and Deep Thore wasn't even plain in Washington, PC. So these guys, these guys that are probably the most famous journalists in the world, they're the reason why thousands of kids, you go to journalism school every year, they're pathological liars. And Ben Bradley was the CIA asset, too. And I show that for sure in the book that Ben Bradley was a CIA asset,

and you lied about being a CIA asset. um yeah i it's funny it's like uh you know the experience i have with that is kind of like um the movie war dogs where it's like you know the the the true story is so much more interesting than this fiction that that they put on screen uh and i think a lot of you know i actually wrote a book about a guy named marcus shrinker who is a pathological liar and and it used to just kill me like why some of the lies he would tell like he was this is a guy that had a beautiful wife well let's start with he owned a wealth management company that made made good money lots of clients his clients loved him he was a professional pilot he was a professional stunt pilot

he had a beautiful wife and three beautiful children there is no reason to lie you're a top tier individual. And yet it wasn't enough. He was constantly talking about when he flew missions and you know, in, um, you know, Iraqi, uh, freedom or he was talking about he was in the first wave of the Afghani, you know, the, the, when we invaded Afghanistan, it's like, you were never even in the military. Like, you know what I'm saying? It was like it's, it was like, you know, you don't like, why lie about that? You're already an amazing individual. But, you know, these guys, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know what possesses them. Chris Kyle.

Now, that was a very good movie made about Chris Kyle by Stanley Eastwood. He was also a pathological liar. And what was that movie? He was the American assassin. I believe he was in Iraq or Afghanistan as a sniper. It's called American sniper, the movie. Oh, American sniper. Okay.

And he's also a pathological liar. And, but this amazing movie has been made about him. Right. Even though he's also a pathological liar. Well, catch me if you can. The movie Catch me if you can, Frank Abagnale. There are podcasts, there are books that are written about how his story is not completely fabricated, but the bulk of it is fabricated. And even when you watch the movie, I remember as a kid watching the movie, when he goes into the bathroom to get away from the FBI and he goes,

through the toilet and then goes out, gets out of the aircraft in the wheel well. Like I remember thinking like, that's got to be sealed. Like there's no like, did he have tools with him? Did you have a blow torch? Like how did you get into the wheel well?

It has to be that entire aircraft has to be airtight. Like how is that possible? And of course, you know, once the book came out, you find out like, oh, that's not even possible.

There's no way for him to have gotten from the fusel lodge into the, into the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, where the, the, the, you know, where the, the, it's just not, it's just not possible to do that. And, you know, and there's so many other things that are just complete fabrication. I don't just mean the movie, because the book is almost identical to the movie. Well, Watergate, it altered the trajectory of history. The history of the United States. It completely altered the trajectory, and that's why it needs to be revisited, and people need to know what Watergate was about. And the media has made it a good versus evil. The media has presented it as good versus evil,

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