Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - JFK’s Final Moments and the Secret Fallout | New Evidence

Episode Date: April 6, 2025

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People say, mafia killed Kennedy. I have no doubts that some of the trigger men might have been mob connected, but who could make all this happen? Because the cover-ups even more important than the assassination itself. The FBI came in and were pushing doctors and nurses away to get that body. To get the body, they chip it out immediately. Immediately, as we would see in the autopsy later, they had to do some things there. Oswald's version is that he puts together that,

he's been set up. Yes. Then when he's leaving, they video him. Have you been way to aware that you're the suspect for shooting the president of the United States of America and he tells the whole world, I'm a patsy, meaning I'm the fall guy. We've had witnesses that saw the assassination 48 hours later, they're dead. And word has trickled out that this assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald, may not have been the shooter. So he's got to put that to bed.

The scary thing, Matt, is this is 1960s America. We already know with JFK's murder, if you tell any other story, you're dead. Right. I mean, dozens of witnesses to John F. Kennedy's assassination. One guy car flipped over. One guy in perfect health died of a heart attack. One guy suicided himself, you know. just astronomical odds of people that witness the same event end up dying within 48 hours

right it just doesn't happen what about the secret service agent that just recently came out with a book he basically said that hey this is matt cox and i am here with dave wheelhouser now i'm going to said we're going to be talking about the assassination of president kennedy and do you want to do are we going to do uh robert kennedy yeah we'll talk a little bit about robert because it ties into it all right now i'm going to say dave said i'm i'm no expert but dave's read over well over a hundred books on the on the assassination and he's done a ton of research and in my opinion And since there is no expert license, I feel like he's definitely an expert.

And so we're going to be talking about that. We're also going to talk a little bit about the new book that's come out by the former Secret Service agent. And it's called Final Witness. We just looked that up. So we're going to talk about Dave's take on the book and the Secret Service agent's theories. And check out the video. That's all right. It's all right.

It's all right. Good to you. So, yeah, it's so funny too because, I mean, obviously you've been on before. Right. But I was talking to, I was talking to my wife and I was explaining last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Kennedy assassination. We are having this discussion.

And she goes, yeah, but he's been on before. How are you going to introduce him? And I thought, and I said, he's an expert. And she is, does he think he's expert? And I said, of course, he's got to think he's an expert. I said he's read over a hundred some odd books on the subject. He's been, he's been researching it for fucking 20-something, 30 years. I'm honest to God, I wanted to write a book on it.

I just didn't see where my, what lane my book, because there's other people that. And then we sat down and you said, well, listen, I'm no expert. What are you talking about? Like, what makes you an expert? Doing a thorough amount of research on a subject makes you an expert. Hell, you said you even have a mockup of the, is it the gun or in the, in the, of the car or oh i was going to show you how a manliqler carcano how the magazine uh ejects just by using my gun so that that was basically how it was now we can pull up a picture of that later if you want

and people can see right but that was part of the evidence that they really botched when they left it at the uh in the sniper's nest okay so so let's talk about well let's start let me just tell you part of the beginning let me just tell you why i got so involved in this okay perfect back in the mid 80s grandma my aunt and i went to bush gardens and we're driving back kind of through florida back down to bocrotone and we started talking about UFOs and then the kennedy assassination and they kind opened my eyes to oh wow and then they told me about there's a pruder film and whatnot and then wouldn't be two years later i'm working at the governor's club in west palm beach which is right right across from Palm Beach where the Kennedys have their compound.

And I've got the book, The Men Who Killed Kennedy? How old were you again? 19 years old. Okay. Sorry. The men who killed Kennedy. And it's after my shift. And I set my book down.

And I'm just waiting to get my check and who walks in, but Ted Kennedy. Now, I'd seen him in the grill a few times. But he's like, hey, can you get me a martini? Right. I was like, sure, Mr. Kennedy. What's you reading? And I was like, oh, no. Oh, he was like, he was so cool.

And he encouraged me to read more because I want to go, who did it? Right. And he was like, keep reading, kid, keep reading. And that Boston accent. And so I would see him, you know, I worked in the town of Palm Beach for the, you know, for the next four or five years, valaying, doing a lot of bartending, waiting tables. And he wouldn't know my name, but he recognized my face and say, yeah, still reading? And I think he knows who murdered his two brothers. But he's probably in fear for his own life.

Right. Because if they can kill them, they can certainly kill him. And now they quashed his political career with the whole chappaquitic thing. But that's another story. So that's what kind of got me started on this. And I read Dr. Charles Crenshaw's book. I read some crazy books with outlandish theories that are like the limo driver turned around and shot him. Yeah.

Not true. So I've read a lot of books. And I'm very passionate about this subject. so right well anybody who's anybody who's even remotely associated with the event wrote a book right you know it was like it was such a a cash grab like yeah uh to to be even close to that and and that was when people read sure you come up with a book and you could you could you know make a ton of money right on just book sales like almost nobody's making a ton of money in book sales anymore but so let's start let's start back with the when Kennedy took office one of the things that

Dwight Ios and Howard said on the way out is beware of the military industrial complex and that's basically the war machine and all that comes with it the Politico's in Washington that make money off it now and what he was worried about we see today you have candidates that are spending two three million dollars to get a in Washington to make that pays $140,000 right all right why because you're selling influence to McDonald Douglas and gun manufacturers and Texas instruments and computer company anything you can that's why these jobs people stay on them for a long time they make a lot of money so war is great for the economy right and he and Eisenhower was worried he could see maybe he was thinking

about Vietnam. The French were in the Vietnam, and we had sent CIA and advisors to Vietnam. And Kennedy wanted to stay out of the war. Right. So let's first mention that Kennedy, Kennedy had, was in World War II. Yes. He was what, in charge of like a, he was in the Navy. He was in charge of a, I don't know. He heard it. He heard his back in a boating accident. Right. And he had actually helped save someone or something. Right. He'd gotten an award. So he was kind of like a war hero right not kind of like he was a war hero right maybe not he may not have 15 people right but um so he he then become then he enters the political arena and eventually runs for president and eisenhower was they beat eisenhower no he beat richard nixon

was a two-term guy that was leaving office that's right because richard nixon and richard nixon he started sweating and everything yeah the debate and he looked bad yeah and uh the the rumor has it is that Joe Kennedy, Jack and Bobby and Ted's father, did a deal with a mob to get 100,000 votes in Chicago. And so it's believed that 100,000 dead people voted for Kennedy in Chicago. And that would affect Nixon so much that 12 years later he would send burglars into the Watergate Hotel to figure out what the Democratic Party is doing. I truly believe it affected Nixon terrible because if you take those votes out,

Nixon wins the 60 election, and we're not having this conversation. But that's another story. But this is very important. Joe Kennedy was in league with the mob. Now, remember, he was a moonshiner or a bootlegger back in the Prohibition days. And who sold his booze? The mob did. And the speak easies.

And so he had a relationship there. Now, when John F. Kennedy becomes president, his brother, is the Attorney General. He's the head of justice. And Bobby goes after the mafia. This is very important to the story. And in fact, Jay Edgar Hoover, who is the head of the FBI at the time, he wouldn't even say the word mafia. Right. It wasn't even the lexicon. People knew it existed. Like people that lived in New York, they're making monthly payments for protection rackets. But nobody says the word mafia. And Bobby was trying to expose this. And exposed this. And expose was the mafia. And Matt, I don't know if his dad didn't say, hey, son. Right, right.

You know, I made a deal here. They helped your brother get an office, you know. And I'm sure the mafia feels like, felt like, we helped elect you. Absolutely. We were hoping that you were back off, you know, as a, you know, as a quit pro quo. Quo for sure. So then people say, yeah. So the mafia killed Kennedy. I have no doubts that some of the trigger men might have been mob connected, but they weren't the ones that could pull all the strings, and we'll get to that. But, you know, people think it's the CIA, it's the mafia, it's the Russians because we had the Cuban missile crisis. Of course, we had the Bay of Pigs fiasco where the Kennedys were supposed to provide air cover for the Cubans and the CIA guys that hit the beach.

and that blew up in their face. Yeah. Well, and they didn't. And they didn't. They were, they, the agreement was with the Cubans or with the, what was the name of the unit? They called the 50 or 542 or I forget what it was. But the unit that landed, they had an agreement with the Americans. Like, all you have to do is get a beachhead. Yep. As soon as you get a hold of a beachhead, we'll send in, we'll send in support. We'll send in air support. We'll send in everything. And they actually got a hold of it.

held it for three days, and the Kennedy's never sent anything. Never sent anything. And he created enemies in the military with the generals, the joint stefts, and the CIA. Right. And it got so bad that he ended up firing Alan Dulles. And that name will come back in the story later on. And if you're wondering about Dulles, yes, it's the same Dulles that the airport's named after in Washington, D.C. So Kennedy had made some enemies.

in this time. And he had put Lynn Baines Johnson on his ticket because he needed to carry Texas. Still to this day in the south, Texas and Florida are the two big states you want to win. If you're going to win the election, you need

to win at least one of them. You want to win both of them. Because Nixon had a lot of popularity and being from California, he was going to get California. So it's very important that he take Texas And to be honest, even though they're both Democrats, JFK and LBJ, they didn't really agree on anything.

And they were not friendly. Right. And after the election, that divide only got worse and worse. And LBJ is a funny businessman. I was reading stories about him back in the 50s and 60s and political career. Now, he was a Senate majority leader, and he was a major power broker in Washington. and LBJ knows where all the bodies are buried. In fact, if you want to do deals with him, this is a funny story.

I think his wife owned a, well, he actually owned it, but he put it in his wife's name a radio station in South Carolina. Right. And if you want to do this deal with me, you're going to buy advertisements. And you're going to say, but I'm in Austin, Texas. I don't care, boy, you're going to do buy advertisements from my radio station. That way it was clean money. Right.

He'd had a lot of shenanigans. And we could go on for hours about LBJ. but he was pretty pretty dirty his own attorneys have said have come out since he's died that they can attorney client privileged that he was new or took part in five murders one was his sister and the other was john f kennedy so lbj literally knew where some of the bodies are buried so after the bay of pigs after the cuban missile crisis LBJ obviously is going to side he wants to take control of the Democratic Party

the Kennedys do not get along with him and there's a serious problem so in late 62 Bobby Kennedy starts talking to Life Magazine now Colby won't know what Life magazine is but we remember it when we were kids Time Life is the company Now Time Magazine still exists

but there used to be Life magazine and it was a weekly periodical with big picture in front and they they're basically news stories in there and there was a man named bobby baker now bobby was known as lindon's boy if you wanted anything done with linden baines johnson and washington you went to bobby right that was lindon's boy and he would say yeah i can get that done for you or go fly a kite well the new bemo v i porter master card is your ticket to more more perks more points more flights more of all the things you want in a travel rewards card and then some get your ticket to more with the new bemo v i porter master card and get up to twenty four hundred dollars in value in your

first 13 months terms and conditions apply visit bemo dot com slash the i porter to learn more the political corruption like we were talking about earlier was so bad and you know you scratch my back I scratch yours that Bobby talked to Life magazine and started feeding him the Bobby Baker story about political corruption and it was going to be a six-part series and it was basically going to say in all all the center of all this corruption is LBJ and they were going to kick him off to 64 ticket. Right. They did not want any part of him. And I've heard people talk and London could be awful to people. Like one of, I was just going to say, I had always heard like he has foul mouth.

Oh, terrible. Rude just just was, he was the opposite. He wasn't completely unpolished. He was a bully, which was a completely different. He would sit with this cabinet in the hot tub naked and he would make fun of other guys. And you know, in life, there's two types of men. You're either a show or you're grower right and apparently linden was a shower but he would make fun of other people in the hot tub i've heard this one yeah like it's terrible and and he would throw parties at his ranch and other people's wives would take a nap and linden would get in bed and say move over for the president and sleep with their wives now some wives kicked them out and this is not me saying this is all on record by the way so he was he was a an s o baines johnson mentioned i i i i i

read so in i want to say i want to say it was a late 2000s i could be wrong the one of kennedy's chiefs of staff or so whatever somebody that was on his staff wrote wrote a book and in the book he mentions about um about john f kennedy having an affair with multiple women but one of them was an intern and he never mentions her name but the press very quickly puts it together with Freedom of Information Act they figured out boom boom this is the chick

they then go to her house like one day she opens a door boom filled with press and she ends up writing a memoir very short memoir but it was great it was great I mean it was probably it's probably 100 pages and probably one of the best memoirs I've read and she talks about

the affair that she had with Kennedy. She also talks about how Kennedy literally was willing to pass her around. So she's like 19 years. She's like 19 years old. This guy's 45 years old or 43, whatever he was.

And he was having sex with her. And at one point, there was some stressful situation was going on. And one of the guys like Bobby was upset and he says to her, look how anxious he is. Look how upset he is. He goes, why don't you go over and, you know, like basically blow him and help him relax?

And she says, and to be honest, she said, I was going to do that. And she had done it before, like when he'd asked her to. And she gets up and Bobby's like, what are you doing? Like, he gets all pissed off and he's like, what are you doing? Are you insane? You know, we're in the middle of this and you're pulling this. Like, what are you doing? He gets upset and walks off.

But it's not unheard of. Like now, you know, you look. back on those black and white photos and you think everybody is so put together and perfect and nice. But the truth is they were the only difference in 60s. The British had the British had parliamentary sex scandals. Well, the only one of the huge differences then and now is the press gave them a huge pass. Yes. Like literally this girl would show up, walk around and they would see her. And they would be like, oh, they liked Kennedy. They're not going to say anything. They understand this is this girl she's here what she's here for what's going on why she's always around

in the background they know what's happening they've heard the rumors they don't say anything they like him it's camelot you give him a pass and a lot of stuff was off limits nothing's off limits now i agree and you're so right mickey mannell had breakfast of champions it would be a little bit of little tia maria and bailey's and his coffee and that was his breakfast and the press would be sitting right there right so he's basically he had a drinking problem right he's waking up right he didn't say anything about that they had there was so much more respect given from the press back then now it's hey they'll burn your source to get a story out right so anyway getting back to bobby baker a couple stories had come out and you know linden obviously was not happy and and because you

he knows he knows he's not going to be on the ticket not going to be on the ticket and oh i know what the story i want to say so linden had a cabinet member this was later on but had a cabinet member said linden i'm going to resign i'm going to go be a professor at georgetown he said no you're not said i heard this you're going to pull this crap on me yesterday i got you set you're going to go to the front line and fight vietnam he's like i'm too old nope nope i got it worked out you're going to vietnam to mapple pack your stuff he made him stay and be working his cap i forget the guy's name i'll get the i can get the name and that's how ruthless he was you don't quit on linden mains johnson he wanted to get a nice cushy professor job nope not going to happen and but he could also play the

oh why bobby kennedy would come at him like bobby why you pick it on me bobby you know play that oh poor me linden because bobby would was the attack dog. So Lyndon has this problem now, and it's Bobby Kennedy, really, because he's leaking the stories, he's going after the mob, but if you kill Bobby Kennedy, Jack Kennedy goes after whoever did it with the full force of the United States government. Right. So you kill Jack Kennedy, and it cuts Bobby off at his needs. He has no rabbi. He has no, he's done.

Right. And so that is where I believe all this started taking place. And Lyndon Banks Johnson had heart disease and his family. People didn't live much longer than 58 years old. And he knew, and he was right, he only lived until 1973, that in his family, there's just not longevity. And it was his goal to be president and he wanted to be president. And, you know, Jack is going to be the guy in the ticket in 64. So he'd have to wait until 68.

So, Linden had to do something. Now, we've all heard the story about the night before where he comes out of that party saying, those Kennedy boys will never embarrass me again, those son of a bitches. And a lot of people were heard him saying that, and he's talking about the next day. Now, so I just want to say so much protocol was broken, and first of which, the parade route. Now, any secret service agent will tell you they go over the parade route, They look at all the buildings, make sure there's no open windows. And you can see by watching the Duprooter film, there's windows are open everywhere.

There were, there were like 20 things that weren't done. So let's let's let's let's mention first that Kennedy is now campaigning. Yes. To for to run for president again, right? Yeah. You know, as an incumbent. But so he's now on the campaign trail. So they know where he's going.

Yeah. you know where he's going it's not like he was driving home from wherever they didn't know they know the route they know what he's doing he's campaigning and he's in tex yeah i'm sorry i didn't say that so and meanwhile this bobby baker story is being leaked or you know people are reading it now it doesn't come out and say in the first i think two of six come out but it's gonna basically name linden baines johnson as the problem and so he knows i've got to get rid of jfk so They go to Dallas, then they go to San – I'm sorry, they go to Miami, then they go to Texas. I believe they went to San Antonio, then Houston, and they fly into Fort Worth.

And the Secret Service agents went to a place called DeSeller, nine of them. They were drinking the night before. The night before, which is not allowed. Right. They stayed up to 5 o'clock in the morning. Some of them showed up drunk and hung over. so bad that Earl Warren and the Warren Commission said they all should have been fired on the spot.

Right. Now, think about that. A secret service agent there to protect the president. Right. Drinking. The night before. Right. And they showed up at 5 a.m.

And apparently some of them lost their badges and their guns that night. So the Warren commission, by the way, is the commission that was put together by Congress to investigate after the assassination. Yeah, I was going to talk more about it. I'm getting a little ahead of myself. But I just wanted you to know that. It was so egregious that Earl Warren said they should have been fired on the spot. So you've got service agents showing up.

Then we also had a last minute change of the parade route. Now, normally, this stuff is taken care of an advance so the Secret Service can go and say, hey, check out that window, and I'll take this building here. And we've got to make sure all these windows are secure and put Secret Service tape on them saying you can't open them. Yeah, they pull up the sewer mains. They look at the sewer main. Like, what if they plant, you know, a bomb under the sewer main? Sure.

They could be driving over and blow the whole. Like, they, they cap them or they clear them. And then they weld them shut. Like, I mean, they go to great length. They'll remove U.S. or any type of obstacle or anything. You could put anything like U.S. mailboxes, all kinds of shit. Sure. And, you know, they have to do.

do their vetting on the route. Well, the freight route gets changed. And it's egregious. And I hope we can pull up the Zapruder film at some point. But I want people to understand a presidential limousine should never slow down any slower than 20 miles an hour. And I forgot to mention, they're in an open air limousine. Right. Now, the only way the bubble, the bullet protective bubble what's going to go over it is if it rains or jacky's hair gets messed up so they were driving slow enough her hair didn't get messed up but you can't drive slow right i mean that's just insanity to me so they go from main street and turn on to houston and this is where the book depository is and then turn down elm it's like a hair pin turn and they're going like one or two miles an

hour in that turn. It's so slow. Right. And it's so ridiculously slow that the secret service agents can basically run and keep up with the car if they want to. But the crazy thing is they're basically standing on the car behind the Kennedy and Connolly limousine, not riding on the sideboards. Now, Governor Connolly, John Connolly was the governor of Texas. He was in the car with the They were both in the jump seats. There was a lot of argument beforehand who would ride in what car. Now, I'm going to say that LBJ is a tech senator from the state of Texas. He knows all the players there.

He controls all the strings. He's the one that wanted the parade route to be the way it was. And he wanted Connolly in the car with Kennedy. He's riding a couple cars back. And he's fully flanked by security. Sitting right next to Kennedy? No, and he was fully flanked by Secret Service agents. Now, how does that make sense?

Right. So you just have to ask yourself. So they slow down to like two, three miles an hour, make that hairpin turn from Houston Street to Elm Street. Now, Elm Street, it's going to take them to the trademark. That is where there's a luncheon conference. speaking engagement for President Kennedy at the trademark. And it's just down the street to the overpass. It's not far away.

But it's a real funny route how they went this way only to go back that way. Don't ask me why. And maybe there's a logical explanation. Maybe there wasn't an exit for it. But anyway, this is totally against Secret Service protocol. Even at the time. Even at the time. Totally against protocol not to have heard Mark Rubber.

another great guy talked about Kennedy, he said they basically deshielded the president. Right. He's supposed to have a human shield in front of him. If you remember when Ronald Reagan got shot, Thomas Dolahonti, a police officer and Timothy McCarthy at Secret Service agent, they made themselves big. Right.

So, and one took a shot right in the gut. The only reason Reagan got shot was when the Secret Service grabbed them and pushed them in, they think a shot ricocheted off the car inside. He didn't even know he was shot right in the gut. he got shot but i remember it was a ricochade yeah i remember reagan was yeah reagan was uh they were prepping him for uh for surgery he he stops just before they're going to put like the mask on he stops and the doctor's staying around i mean he looked stopped and he goes i sure hope you guys are all republicans like that and they said we are today mr president yeah they put the

and what's crazy is is he walked in the hospital under his own power and he almost died he didn't even realize he was shot they took him there just out of safety precautions and meanwhile he's got a big blood stain under his arm so you know what the other funny thing is like what was it a few months after that he's giving a speech regan's giving his speech and a balloon pops in the distance pow and he goes miss me and then he keeps right on going doesn't doesn't miss a beach hilarious bro yeah he was a great he was great so So I just to hope that the viewer understands, you got drunk service agents. We've got a top, a car without a top on it.

There's really no protection for the vehicle. He's driving through a shooting range. Yeah. And the last thing that was said before the shooting starts is Governor Connolly's wife says, well, you can't say that Texas doesn't love you, Mr. President. And then we know from the microphones that are open on the motorcycle cops, you can start hearing the popping noises. Some people thought it was cars backfiring. And as he goes in front of the sixth floor book depository and on down past the trees by the grassy knoll, their versions of events were one shot.

Went through Kennedy's back, out his throat, changed in mid-air, hit Governor Connolly in the arm, and came out and landed in his leg. And this is the shot that's now called Exhibit 399 with the Warren Commission, the magic bullet. Right. And the magic bullet is missing hardly any lead, I guess, would be. any lead from you know it's still a jacketed bullet is missing there's no lead yeah it's almost pristine it's been fired it's been fired there's rifling yeah you can see the striations on it yeah but it's almost as if someone shot it into water into water i was just say water saying not even sand yeah exactly it's like it was fired that's how they do it in the ballistics yeah like they

fired it because i mean it's ballistics jelly maybe yeah it's perfect it's in perfect shape it certainly doesn't look like a bullet that because we had pulled it up earlier to show Colby it doesn't look like a bullet that has gone through one person struck bone multiple times because listen at that rate that a bullet's traveling anything it hits it's going to dent the bullet it's going to change it it's going to alter it and it certainly doesn't look like a bullet that's bounced off and even change direction change 180 degrees in midair in mid air Well, even if it hits his bone, like I can see he hit the bone and it ricochets. Well, then if it ricocheted and it hit that bone, then it would have dramatically altered that bullet.

If it didn't blow it into pieces, at the very least would have dented the living crap out of it. And everybody's seen bullets that have gone through people. Absolutely. You know, they're smush. They look like mushrooms. Yeah, tiny little flattened caps, basically what they look like. Yeah, this thing's perfect. It's a pristine condition.

So that one. And you can go on the Zepruder film. And I encourage anybody to watch the Zepruder film when JFK is doing this. Connolly is still looking to the side. But then you'll later see Connolly. He'll flop over towards his wife because I believe he got shot in the leg. You got shot in the arm. Secret Service agents and nurses that went out there said,

they looked like there was a hail of gunfire. They're a shrapnel all over that limousine. Right. Now, Colby also, I showed him a picture of when the limousine was at Parkland Hospital, there is a bullet hole in the front windshield. Right. And guess what, folks? You can't put a bullet hole in the front windshield where it's at from 64 feet in the air from the book deposit.

But we'll get to that in a second here. So, after the throat shot, Jack is clutching his throat. And Jackie kind of leans over. to see what you know to care for her husband right and she almost becomes parallel with him and she's certainly parallel from her face to his face to where the sixth floor would be in the texas depository in the texas depository building where lee harvey oswald was supposedly shooting now he's far enough down by that time any sniper worth assault is not going to hang out of a window right he's going to set his platform up four or five feet like the movie sniper talks about that right

it's a perfect example yeah you're gonna set the platform up so nobody sees any uh powder come any fire off the muzzle flash any of that you're gonna keep that hidden but of course they they want you to think that oswald was hanging out using now the cheapest rifle you can buy back then a bolt action A bolt action, man-lictor Carcano. Now, the man-leakeda-carcano was called the humanitarian rifle. You know why? Because nobody got killed when people used it. It was that bad.

It was that unreliable of a weapon. And so if you're going to commit the crime of the century, it's like, well, let's get a Red Rider Daisy BB gun and shoot him. I mean, it's that stupid. Why would you use a man like their Carcano? Get a Mouser or a Winchester or something. Get something that looks like you could have pulled it off. So what happened?

We would find out is an American businessman bought a thousand man leekter Carcano from Italy and thought that he could retrofit him. And he basically threw all his money away. And apparently Oswald had bought one of those rifles. And that's Life magazine. You see him pictured with the famous Oswald picture. Yeah, he's got it, yeah. And he's showing that rifle off.

Now, it's also important to note, and I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself, when they first went to the sniper's nest, they said the rifle was a Mouser, a German-made Mouser. But I digress. We're back in the shooting here. So, Jackie, it's almost parallel, and that's when the fatal headshot comes. And you can, Colby's going to pull it up. You can clearly see the explosion of. his head yeah his skull cap fies back and jacky has to go back and get a piece of it she's scoop she's like scooping up her i mean you know she's pan i mean she's in uh what what do you call it when

you're um she's panicked but she's in shock you know she's in shock thank you she's not thinking clearly she literally scoops up his brains and the and the back of the skull and picking it up like like like you like we could put like oh he let's put this back together like you know It's horrible. I mean, you know what was she thinking? You know, what, what's she going through? She just... I think it's pretty amazing that she thought that.

I mean, she was just trying to care for her husband. But again, this is according to Dave. I think most people would have just been like... And I would have just been like, whoa. Whoa. I don't think I would have even like, so, yeah, you... I would have been like, whoa, you know. I mean, to me, like, this guy's head just blew apart in front of me.

She didn't flinch. She did. She fucking, who grabs it, starts grabbing him. She's like... Yeah. And I believe it was Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent assigned to Jackie, wrapped his head in his jacket. Now, Kennedy was still breathing at the time,

and that's when they take off for Dallas Parkland Hospital. Now, I've got to jump forward just for a second here, because this is important. A young man, a black man, was eating his lunch that worked in the school book Depository, and he's testifying before the Warren Commission. and we know the assassination took place at 1230. And we know there's a sniper's nest that was there on the sixth floor depository. But the man said, no, I didn't leave till 1225.

I finished my lunch, walked downstairs and saw the president go by. Now, this is important because that sniper's nest was set up. You had to move boxes around and put. And they couldn't get the timeline right. and this and that man was a major monkey wrench in their timeline of the assassination and i love it just because he knew what they were trying to do and he was stuck to his guns and said no i stay there though i was 12 25 so the president goes to the hospital and the limousine is parked outside right in where the emergency area is now i believe you got a picture of that colby

and you can see the blood and brain matter in the back seat. It's very sad when I showed my mom that picture last night and that's JFK's brain matter on the seat there when you really think about it. And so the nurses had went out there and they, you know, and one was saying they looked at and she was going to clean it. But it's basically it's a murder scene, so you got to leave it alone.

Nope. LBJ had that limo shipped off to Cincinnati right away to get cleaned up and refurbished. That's a murder scene. Right. And I could talk 10 minutes on the going on to hospital, but I just want everybody to understand. Texas law mandates when there's a murder, there has to be an autopsy. It's state law. Right.

The body has to have go through an autopsy. So according to Dr. Charles Crenshaw, great book, he just recently passed away. He said the secrets are mainly the FBI came in and were pushing doctors and nurses away to get a body. To get the body. They chip it out immediately. Immediately. Because as we would see in the autopsy later, they had to do some things there. And anybody that's done it, you know, could look at the autopsy photos and know that it's been doctor.

They put put putty and clay in certain places because they have to make it look like the entry wound came here but we know that his back of his skull was blown off. And that's crazy that you're pushing around doctors to get and breaking Texas law. So what's interesting, Colby, is that so if you look at his body, it's blown backward. You know what I'm saying?

Like it blows out the back of his. It's like, it's so obvious the bullet had to have entered the front. The front. Because Jackie comes here and he goes, yeah. Right. But they're saying, no, it hit him from behind and he blew backwards like that. How is that even possible? And if you watch the movie JFK by Albert Stone.

Oliver Stone movie, Kevin Costner keeps saying back and to the right, back and to the right. That's kind of the theme of the movie because they get a, you know, they're showing the Zapruder film. It's a great movie. Great. It's a really good movie. And you know, it's funny. I was listening to Mark Grobert. He's a great podcast himself.

He knows Oliver Stone and he's a, you know, diehard liberal. Yeah. And it's been hard for him to stomach that he's now realized that LBJ was behind the assassination. Right. Because he wanted to blame the Cubans or the Russians or the mob or what, CIA. Well. It was who could make all this happen? Who could get a body out of?

You can pull all the strings. Because the cover-ups even more important than the assassination itself. So right after the assassination, people are running to the grassy knoll area because they see smoke. They smell cornyteite, the smell of gunpowder. Yeah. And they're running up there. Well, there's people that say they saw. Aren't there people to say they saw gunfire?

They saw people up there. There are people that took pictures only to have their. film confiscated and they never got it back again okay and and i mean think about that this would come up later in bobby's assassination so the guy would actually win a lawsuit against the fbi over that so you've got colby you've got the texas depository here you got the car here and you've got like the the grassy knoll here like all if you know where they all are with a little natural fence and shrubbery that you can it's yeah it's like like this is this is where everything came from like everybody is in the this is the version that makes sense for the trajectory of every single bullet not here so so people

have to understand if you're shooting from up there and this is the main crux of what i want to say if you're shooting from up there why wouldn't you take a shot on houston street when you've got a you've got a target coming into focus Right. And you've got a clean shot. Yeah, yeah. So it's coming. So initially, that bend, remember how you talked about that, that, that, what did you say, hairpin turn? That hairpin turn. That hair period is right here. So you're here. You could fire anytime. The whole time. And the target's only getting bigger.

They wait until he makes that slows down, makes a hair pin turn. And now he's still slow. It's perfect. Now the same position this guy that Oswald would have been in. Now he's in. He takes the shot, though. Oswald does. Doesn't. Yeah. And you got to understand it's a seven degree grade. It's a right, the left, back, right turn. And you're shooting through trees using a bolt action rifle. Right. But if it was Oswald, just shoot them on Houston Street. When the, when the target's getting closer and bigger, it just doesn't make sense. I saw a documentary where they show, they try and reenact the whole thing. They just can't. Like, well, actually, I think they do hit. Oh, they do. They hit a watermelon. But, you know, you get a good guy. that can work a bolt action. But they also, it took, it took like three or four different snipers and eventually they end up, like, okay, great.

So, so two out of ten shots, you know, or 20 shots where you can make with a, with an Oswald wasn't even a good shot. No. And the actual weapon he used, the scope, although the scope could have been altered later or broken during move or being moved during the movement of the weapon. It actually didn't work. Right.

It was off. It was misaligned. Yeah, misaligned. Thank you. And that's another thing. It just doesn't make sense when you really start looking at the facts of it. Shoot them on Houston Street. You've got a perfect shot.

Why wait till you're in a seven degree grade for left to right, back to left again from a target moving away from you? Not only that, you've got his wife, now almost straddling him. So when you look at the actual, the death shot, Jackie will almost be straddling him. So where her head would line up perfectly with the sixth floor deposit, with Jack's head right in the middle. You can't shoot Jackie. Right. There would have been such an outcry because half the country doesn't like Jack, which just face it. But everybody loved Jackie.

Right. But the guys over here, they had a perfectly clean shot. And these are professional assassins. So, no, get back to Oswald. And I just want to touch on him for a second. He went, was in the Marines. and he defected to the Soviet Union. Right.

This is important to remember. He defacts to the Soviet Union. So this is like the height of the Cold War. Cold War, which is probably a 10 year span, 10 to 15 years. And we're kids of the Cold War. We grew up and we were told the Russians can blow up the world 10 times over. And it was very scary. Anybody in the CIA operated on Moscow rules, like trust nobody if you're out on the street.

you know, very scary time to be living in. So there's a huge, you know, obviously the ideologies are different, but there's a huge push for, you know, capitalism and democracy and everything and obviously, you know, communism. And Oswald becomes disenfranchised with the United States. Supposedly. Supposedly. And well, he defects to the Soviet Union. He defects to the Soviet Union.

Yeah. That's crazy. Right. That's pretty awesome. He's a Russian woman, but is allowed to leave. Right. Well, but here's the thing, too. When he gets there, the so communism isn't what he thinks it is. No. You see what I'm saying? He gets there. Kim Filby had the same issue. He gets there and he's like, guess what? There's a hierarchy here. There's not supposed to be a hierarchy in communism. There's a hierarchy. There's the party. They're not, you know, there's, it's is massively corrupt, more corrupt than the United States. I'm not getting anywhere here. and he becomes disenfranchised and he leaves but he's still a communist he still believes in

communism supposedly yeah but if you renounce your u.s citizenship and you go to soviet russia you marry a russian women it just wasn't in those days you could leave the Soviet union you had to get smuggled out but somehow he was able to leave with the wife with the wife and they settle in texas And he starts, he's passing out flyers. Passing out flyers. Hands off Cuba. Yeah.

And his wife and he are going through a rough time. So she's living with a Mrs. Payne who would be a CIA agent. She was an agent. And we know this now, but at the time they didn't know. And those two were having a love affair. So Oswald will be going to Mrs. Payne's house to check on his wife. and they're keeping tabs and so after the assassination they would go to mrs pain's house and she tells the police we were expecting you what does that mean so anyway so we've talked about the hospital

they grab the body they grab the body out there bring it straight to air force one air force one They fly back. Everybody's seen pictures of a very somber Jackie standing next to LBJ getting sworn in. But what we don't hear is when she went back to her quarters, he's laying on her bed. Oh, I didn't know. I mean, so disrespectful. Well, here's the other thing is LBJ or Johnson insists that he be sworn. in immediately before the plane even takes off like he's like i'm the i'm now the president i's like

bro this dude's body's not cold and the kennedy his his staff they're pissed they're so angry they're guys down in the cargo home and johnson's calling the shots and they're not happy and you have a very frosty relationship on that airplane between the two it was bad before imagine how it is now because i'm sure a lot of them are putting two and two together right well we're in texas his home state he changed the parade route on us that's the worst this display of of secret service agents i've ever seen in my life nine of them showed up drunk and hung over this morning there weren't there was no protective shield around the president on the street when the car was going three miles an hour so they had to be wondering matt right this is a sublime

ridiculous and now he's he so she Jackie goes back into her quarters therefore it's one's beautiful it's like an apartment building and LBJ is sprawled out on the bed and like oh I'm sorry Jackie didn't even give her the courtesy to either get her things out of that room I don't I don't know what protocol would be I don't even pretend to but it created a big problem now just to just to skip ahead I want everybody to understand Jackie wore that pink dress for 48 hours and she was quoted saying i want them to see what they did right who's them well i think she only was in the white house right so she wanted them to see what they did she wore now on her dress there's brain matter and blood splatter and because she cradled his

head after the fatal shot came so and she kept that dress on for a full another day after that I want them to see what they did now immediately Oswald puts together Oswald's version is that he puts together that he's been set up

yes well he what he does is he and I honestly be even my heart of heart I think he might have known what was going down he might have because you think he might have had a plan to assassinate well it's coming out in the last year a woman has she's kept the slip she worked at the police station and

oswald got his one phone call and there were men that came down with the lady and men said whoever he's going to call let us know and so he asked to talk to a number in south carolina and they said okay i'm connecting you and the men basically right i'm sorry there was nobody answered and they had the phone number. She kept the slip. But the CIA, whoever it was. Immediately go there. Right. You know, well, they basically said, we weren't here, but he can't talk to anybody. Right. So they kept him from talking to anybody. And we now know it was naval intelligence, someone in naval intelligence that Oswald was calling. So that makes you, he was pretty, he got in and out of Russia. You know, right, right, right.

He sums up. Oswald knew what was, I can't say that definitively, Matt. Right. And he definitely was a patsy, but I think he might have known more what was going on than your average Joe. Right. That's the big thing, Colby, is they said. I mean, they had him take the job at the six, in the book depository. He's going to, since he's working with books and ink has lead in it, he's going to fail a paraffin test, which is what they test people's hands for if you'd fire at a gun.

so he he you know Oswald is basically placed in the in this building and after the whole thing goes down he he immediately takes off like he knows something's wrong now whether or not he actually what fire was planning on you know actually fired the gun you know was in on the assassination or it was just a complete setup and he's sitting there eating his eating his lunch and realizes and hears the president's been killed and puts it together at that

moment like oh shit yeah like an officer came in 90 seconds after the or 60 seconds after the assassination and he's drinking a coke on the bottom floor now it's important to remember that day the elevators were not working in the school book depository and there were the way it was set up with the stairs you could see when people were going down the stairs and there were two secretaries that gave sworn statements they said they never saw as well go down the stairs so he's not there when the shots are even fired so but he's in the book depository so so he takes off immediately soon as he realizes that as soon as he realizes that the president's been shot either he was a part of it knew it or he at the very least he knows something's wrong so he immediately bolts he leaves the

texas depository and immediately hauls ass and walks how many blocks to like he goes to a um yeah supposedly that he went if if the the theater's here jd tipp at the police officer shot here it's like almost a mile one way and he would have had to jogged at a really fast speed almost a full broke out run but people you can do it a police officer stops him so you're saying the police officer stops him so uh supposedly supposedly a police officer stops him he kills him right shoots him shoots him and kills him oswald every eyewitness not a nice guy nobody said he's saying he's a nice guy yeah now but everybody that lives there's people that still live in those houses to that day

right in the description they gave none of it fit oswald it was two men there was a confrontation right okay so so the the then the official you know uh narrative is is that he takes off down then goes back the other way and goes to a theater right right so the the official you know uh narrative is is that he takes off down goes back the other way and goes to a theater where he doesn't pay for a ticket and he's going to meet somebody and 14 police cars show up to arrest a guy that doesn't that didn't pay for a movie ticket I mean because he's how could he be a suspect in the Kennedy assassination he's already been cleared because when they were going around after right after the assassination they went who's this guy that

That's Lee Oswald. He works here. Right. Cleared. Okay. Because they weren't letting people out. They wanted, they were systematically looking around. There were people doing the right thing.

Right. Trying to figure out what was going on there. I'm going to posit, you had the Daltex building, you had the grassy knoll. You had shots coming from all, and some people were wearing badges and having, you know, credentials. Right. So. But Oswald was cleared of any wrongdoing. So he's not thinking at the time, you know, I don't believe.

But then there's an APB out under his name for the shooting of J.D. Tippett. He goes to the movie theater. How do they know his name? Or is it just a description or they have his name? I believe they could they show up to Mrs. Payne's house and she says, oh, we've been expecting you. Well, why would she say that? And they're looking for Oswald. Okay. And supposedly, now, this is there's so much conjecture with this, that he bought this big tube to the book depository.

with them that day and that's where they you know he could could transport the weapon back and forth but the problem is like I was saying earlier with the gentleman that said I stayed in the in that that far left window in the school book depository is there wasn't enough time to set up a sniper's nest I believe Matt that right after that they started setting the sniper's nest they cleared everything off there and they Oswald never fired anything he's just having lunch he might have known what was a going on okay because i think he was connected but so you're not going to use a bolt action rifle shoot somebody that's going away from you i mean like we talked about earlier but i could be wrong

i we'll never know these answers unless we get the definitive answer so but they grab him they bring him to the police station and he's got two different IDs on him that's another thing that has come out oswald had two different IDs on him they they question him for how long oh they you know it's one of those things they they kept them in there for seven or eight hours so then when he's leaving they video him they're the camera comes there and he's got a black eye and now have you been way to wear that you're you know you're the suspect for shooting the president of the united states of america and he tells the whole world i'm a patsy right meaning i'm the fall guy i didn't shoot anybody but they're making now

I think is when he really realizes, oh my gosh, I'm taking the blame for all this. Yeah, the fact that I think he probably did take off. I mean, so here's a theory is that he's in the building. Maybe he doesn't know or he knows that there is a plot. He doesn't know when it's going to happen. He's being told he's going to take part in the plot.

He's willing to maybe take part in the plot. He finds out that that, you know, finds out that Kennedy's been shot, he then immediately puts it together in his mind, oh shit, I'm going to be a suspect. They're going to be coming here. I don't need to be here. Maybe he even already has an escape route. Sure. Who knows? You're going to do this, but it happens earlier than expected or he starts to realize something's wrong, but he still feels like maybe I'm just left out of the loop. Maybe there was some of the plan changes. I just need to talk to my guy. He'll know what to do. Right. So I'm going to go ahead with the escape route.

I'm going to try and I'm going to go ahead and try and make my escape route. And he's been told that, listen, if you get pulled over, you cannot be caught. So he kills the police officer. He then goes, maybe he's supposed to meet somebody wherever. So you've got a couple different places you can meet them. Maybe one is the is the movie theater. He goes there. He gets captured.

Like, who knows? Because it is the area, the way he takes, his route is counterintuitive. from you know his where he's initially headed right so he has one way that doesn't work out heads to the second place where he's going to be picked up then he gets grabbed he tries to make the phone call to make contact he's not allowed to make contact and at this point he's 100% sure okay i was never going to be able to be able to escape this i was always going to be a patsy and they're probably going to kill me right and i encourage anybody there's a lot of youtube videos on the murder of jd tippet the police officer and they go back to the scene that

intersection where he was killed and some of the same people live in the houses there and they'd be like yep i was standing right over there when officer tippet was shot oh it wasn't lee oswald it was two men and i saw him run around the car you know right they they they they it's pretty amazing so oswald gets caught and here's where the conspiracy really starts taking hold if it hasn't yet is, as we all know, Jack Ruby, who is a nightclub owner in Dallas, is going to be giving where they're going to be moving him. Now, they told the press they were going to move Oswald here, but they secretly moved them down to the basement to avoid the press.

Right. And Ruby was given that information. So Ruby, see, Colby knows none of that. I love that Colby doesn't know this because Colby, in a sense, is the audience. Okay, perfect. So Jack Ruby owned several, are they strip clubs? Yeah, nightclubs in the Dallas area. Okay.

And he's also connected to the mob. So he's told, hey, and he kind of used to hang out at the police station, too, right? Didn't he kind of had friends that were- He was a hanger out of it. There's people that they thought that when Oswald was arrested, they can see. Ruby in the background kind of a hanger on right so he liked that and in the thing law enforcement so he's great and if I'm sorry if he's got unscrupulous things going on at his joints but it's got cops in there because he's paid them off then he doesn't have to

worry about losing his liquor license or things like that right because they're all been paid off so he has his he has his his finger on the pulse of law enforcement in the area and he gets word that they're moving Oswald which in and of itself isn't weird but what's weird is what happens is what they told the press and everybody else yeah he'll be here but the secret movement was they were going to move him down in the garage and jack ruby a knows where to go and b has access and you can see this colby right on the internet he walks right up to oswald and you can there's a great still of Life magazine, Oswald, going like that, and he gets shot right in the gut.

And keep in mind, he's, Oswald. What are they moving him from? Out of the police station to. Yeah, police station back to the jail. I believe the jail. So keep in mind, too, the first chance Oswald has of being in front of the press, he says, I'm a patsy. So you can't let Oswald get tried. You can't let Oswald talk to the press.

It can't allow him to speak. the first chance he had he said i'm a patsy he's put it together he may be incredible now he has to go and i and i that phone call i was talking about earlier when he's talking calling naval intelligence you know you can hear on the other line the phone ringing and all that uh because if someone were to answer i have a lee oswald for a matthew cox we accepted charges i'm calling from the dallas jail and you know maybe he thought they'd be listening in but when they said yeah nobody he has to know they're not even going to let me talk to any right right i'm trapped i'm trapped here and he's come out and says i'm a patsy now whether he had

any idea about the assassination and either working who the players were we'll never know that answer but he knows that he's going to take the fall for it now walter kronkite has come out and said a lee harvey and by the way nobody used harvey he was lee oswald but in america now someone gets in trouble it's they have three names it's david scott willhauer was arrested this afternoon you know so and they you get three names so he knows he's in trouble and now kronkite has told the whole world his name he's figured it out can't get a phone call no lawyer was ever brought to him and remember they've interrogated him for hours and hours and hours right no lawyer nobody came and people like f lee baylor were saying i'll

represent them some big heavyweights because they'll do it for free because the notoriety they'll get right right yeah but but you don't want that they didn't they didn't want a confident lawyer representing him no that's a mistake they need to remove him so jack ruby is a famous underworld guy of Dallas. Now, remember what I was saying before, the mob had connections to Joe Kennedy and with the elections and whatnot. And the head of the FBI was Jay Edgar Hoover. And Jay Edgar Hoover had a boyfriend. Right. And he would drink and the speakeys he's owned by the mob. And Hoover's main move was, just say you're a freshman, a new senator from Florida, and you go out one night and I show you pictures hey Matt this is you with that young girl I'm sure your wife

doesn't want to know about her and this young lady yeah I'm sure your wife's not going to want to know and that's how they blackmail and that's how Washington worked and well Edgar Hoover was famous for that getting blackmail I was going to say also the thing is like president after president after president all of them said when I'm elected I'm going to get rid of Jay Edgar Hoover like everyone comes along the pike. And then, of course, they call him into his office and, well, I'm going to fire him today. He comes in. He puts down a file and says, and they say, look, you've done a great job, but it's time to step down. He says, yeah, okay. So when you were a senator in 64, take a look at that. I got this. I got this. I got this. And I got some recordings we can play on the reel here,

if you want, of phone calls between you and this. Here's some you taking bribes. Here's this. here's your uncle here's your you know like what are you going to do am i still are you still going to ask me to resign no no of course not and think about it and it's no different than our palm beach boy that somehow hung himself in a new york jail oh you mean uh um i can't think of his name either epstein epstein no different than epstein i truly believe now matt that epstein's job was to compromise all those heavyweights to invite them to the invite them to the island yeah compromise get some stuff on them sending back into the wild sure so now they're needed absolutely so but the thing with j edgar is the mob had him remember i said earlier right never even said

the word mafia and these are you know you have new yorkers that are paying protection rackets every month and our own fbi won't even say the word mafia because they probably told Jay Edgar, don't say it, or the picture of you kissing your boyfriend. Right. It's going to be on the New York Times tomorrow. Right. So they had him under their thumb.

So, I mean, on top of that, he was just, in general, Jay Edgar Hoover was a complete scumbag. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about there are so many people that he just set up lied about, places where he would place himself in the middle of an investigation, he had nothing about you know he was famous for at the last minute having the FBI come in and take credit for investigations they had nothing to do that's why the CIA and the FBI have

never gotten getting along for the longest time because one would come and steal the other stunder but crazy enough LBJ and Jager Hoover even though they're far different one was a womanizer one obviously wasn't they were very tight right and I'm sure LBJ got his dirt on people from Jay Edgar and quid pro quo. So it's no surprise that now we've got a nightclub owner, Jack Ruby, somehow goes and shoots Oswald. And Dr. Charles Crenshaw and some of the nurses that worked at Parkland Hospital said that LBJ would call and say, I want a deathbed confession from Oswald.

Get one out of them. And they're like, well, he's not talking, sir. We'll get one out of him anyway. Right. Because he wanted Oswald to admit to shooting the president. And after interrogating him for six, seven, eight hours. He's not going to give it. Certainly not going to give it while his bellies and shreds.

Right. Because apparently that bullet bounced around. When they pulled it out, was it in a pristine condition? Yeah. No, I think it was a smaller round that would bounce around there. Sometimes that's more effective than a higher caliber that's just going to go in and out. Yeah. So, so Oswald dies.

In the hospital? In the hospital. Yes. Yeah. And now the first order of business that LBJ does as president is get his buddies at McDonald-Douglas and Boeing and Texas instruments to ramp up the war machine in South Vietnam. So Vietnam was going on. Kennedy doesn't really want anything to do with Vietnam.

He doesn't want to get involved in. He wanted to bring guys back. Right. He doesn't really want a war in Vietnam. Right. So. But LBJ does. Does because money.

Always. There's a lot of money. And, you know, to be fair, like, you know, communism is spreading. It was spreading. It's spreading very quickly. And in the 50s, you know, if the viewer, so you understand, we had what was called McCarthyism. There was a communist scare in the United States.

A lot of actors, high social ranking people, and some of the people in Congress were members of the Communist Party or they had flirtations. And so Senator Joe McCarthy, he was outing anybody who had communist ties. And if you were an actor in Hollywood and you were found out to be a communist, your career was done. Right. Have you seen, have you seen Oppenheimer? No, I haven't. Is it good?

Yeah. Did you see it? Yeah. Like, he went to a couple meetings. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He went to a couple meetings. Like, that's it.

Ruined him. Yeah. Ruin them. Took away security clearance. Yeah. And just as a sidebar, people think socialism's great. Well, Carl Marx says the goal of socialism is communism. Right.

so don't ever think socialism is a good idea because the goal of socialism is communism so we had you know the scare back then and so when china and north korea and north vietnam get this communist ideas and they start spreading well they were worried about the spread of communism in the far east and then we had communist cuba we backed the one time we did we did One time we did back Fidel Castro, and then unfortunately, I can't remember the guy's name. Batista? Batista. It was the former president.

Yeah, we were all behind Batista. Yeah. Then we realized what Fidel was all about and look what's happened there. And, you know, listen, Fidel Castro took over all of Cuba with like three or 400 men. Yeah. Because the New York Times went in and he convinced the New York Times that he had thousands and thousands of rebels ready to go in. to the capital and seize control. And so the New York Times starts putting out these articles.

But really what he did was they led the reporter through the mountains just to the same camps over and over and the same guys you're seeing. And real quickly leads them out. And there's like, how many do you have people? Oh my gosh. There's a bunch of them. It just goes to show. The pen is mighter in the sword.

Right. Yeah. And that's true. When Castro goes in, Batista takes off. he's got like 45,000 men and Castro's got like you know, whatever 3,000, 4,000, a few thousand at that point

because he's gathering as they're going people are joining, they think he can they think he's got all these troops. No, he doesn't. No, I've got about 3 or 400 and people start joining by the time he gets there, he's still only got. And these are military guys. And still they flee. They flee. One of my best friends, Rolanda Hernandez,

he truly believes that if we would go, and invade Cuba, they would throw down their guns, get on the planes, and go to Mexico. So nobody would fight us. No, I think a small private security force could take it over. I agree. I think Frank Amadeo, if we gave him six months, could probably take the place over. Get Frank involved.

So. Like, anybody who watches my stuff will be like, yeah. That's right. So communism was real. I mean, it was definitely growing. And you have to understand all the Soviet states. that are now free countries like Georgia and Uzbekistan those were all that was all the Soviet iron curtain back then and it was just a very scary scary time in America and so

you didn't want to be associated with communism and we were really worried about the expanse of communism but Kennedy didn't want Kennedy had seen war like like Matt said he got hurt in World War II, and he didn't want to send more advisors there. He wanted to pull them back, but LBJ thought, nope, all his buddies that are these big CEOs, these big corporations, we're going to get the war machine going, and they'd make millions off of that. Like I said, you know, where else can you campaign for three, you know, spend three million dollars for a job that pays $140,000?

Oh, the United States Congress, because you can sell your. influence and that's what when you have a war involved all that influence goes so much farther that's why you see a lot of guys leave congress and they go become a lobbyist and that's what's really wrong that's what the initial warning from eisenhower was the military industrial complex watch out for it right and we're swimming in it now in that same you know Pelosi's husband's the greatest doc picker in the world. I mean, you've got these people. And Bobby Baker, Lyndon's boy, his salary was $11,000 a year. Right. Who would work for that? He was worth $2.5 million. Well, you know, he's good. He's good. He did a good job for Lyndon. He knows when

to invest. Said, boy, go get this done. I'll give you a bonus. So, so anyway, that's, that's the problem. Obviously, it's not, it's gotten only worse. not better. So Johnson, his president, knows there's enough people that have complained about it. We've had witnesses that saw the assassination. Forty eight hours later, they're dead. And word has trickled out that this assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald, may not have been the shooter. So he's got to put that to bed. So he starts, he gets former Chief Justice Earl Warren, and creates what's called the Warren Commission. And members on the Warren Commission are ex-people in government, Gerald Ford,

a young House representative guy from Michigan, my home state. My dad played ping pong against President Ford because my dad was the reigning champion at his college. He played Ford and ping pong. And he's a University of Michigan guy. So he was on the Warren Commission. You had Alan Dulles, who I mentioned earlier, who John F. Kennedy fired, and they hated each other. He was on the Warren Commission.

Arlen Specter was on the Warren Commission. So you had these different people in government. I have a question. Did the Warren Commission have the Zepruder film? No. Have access to the Zepur? I don't believe so. Okay.

Because the Zepruder film wouldn't surface until the 70s. All right. But so they're getting all the evidence. the statements from anybody who was there, Secret Service, all the witnesses, any. Now, remember, though, they have to shape this that Oswald acted alone. That's the only outcome,

and that's what it's going to say, that Oswald acted alone. So they have to shape everything to fit that narrative. There were people that were eyewitnesses that said, yeah, I was landing on the grassy knoll, and I heard a bullet whizz by my head. Right. Those people were never called.

Right. Go figure. And so I mentioned to you the gentleman that was sitting in the sixth floor, the far left window, the book depository, that fought back and forth with the Warren Commission because they kept telling them, no, you left her? No, no, no. I didn't leave until 1225.

Well, that doesn't give a sniper time to get room and set up everything. Right. Put a shot. So I just thought that was kind of funny. but anybody that fit the narrative gets called of the Warren Commission gets called and so they concoct the magic bullet theory that's where that whole thing came up because when they found the sniper's perch there were three spent shelves and one of the problems is a young gentleman standing farther down elm street got hit in the face by ricochet right and so they they had to account for that bullet so one bullet has to have missed missed completely now just knowing what we know now we know that one hit one of the motorcycle bikes we know that one it's Kobe has a picture went through the front dashboard we won that you know

a couple landed in Connolly one went through JFK's back and one hit him and so there's six or seven or eight shots at least but another problem with Dealey Plaza there is shots create echoes and it confuses people how many times did you hear something and plus people that have come out now now I don't know if it's true or not have said yeah I was there

and I was using a suppressor so a suppressed fire found completely different right like you and I watch TV shows and you know bang bang shoot them up and they're like hey Matt should we go around the corner dude if you were just shooting guns you'd be like yeah give me five minutes so I can hear again

Right. And if you're shooting your gut, you know, any pistol or revolver without ear protection, you can't hear for five minutes. Right. But anyway, the movies make it sound, they exaggerate that terrible. So people were in the motorcade. Like I said, they could smell the cordite. Which you can't smell the cordite if it's six stories up.

If you're going forward from behind, you're not going to smell that. Right. Some people have even thought that down at the end of Elm Street, there's a drain. Now, in a storm drain, the water flows down here, but there's a manhole cover, and you can open the manhole and climb down. But people thought that they thought maybe there was guns pointing. Now, some people that I trust their knowledge on this said, they don't believe that happened. Some people say, absolutely, that's a perfect angle. the shot once the car kind of veered left perfect shot to jack right so i don't know but we know

about the grassy knoll who knows where the other shooters are some people believe if elm street goes this way they've got what's called the daltex building which was with the you know the book depositories here the dal tex buildings here they had a straight shot going that way to his back right so there might have been people shooting all different places now i also there's books that people believe someone was on top of the school book depository okay taking shot he went downstairs and then put the the rifle and the dispense shell casings where oswald supposedly was but okay the whole thing is to set up oswald yeah as we know now and set up oswald and get rid of them and yeah get rid of them They've taken care of that.

Now, Ruby is obviously arrested, and he wants to talk. Right. And they can't let Ruby talk. I mean, he tells the powers to be talked to certain lawyers, talk to Dorothy Kilgallon. I mentioned her earlier because Ted Kennedy mentioned her, believed that she was murder. A guy named Mark Stone wrote a book. He's written a couple of books about Dorothy Kilgallon and her search for the truth and the Kennedy assassination. And she had a great affection for Kennedy because he was very sweet to her little boy.

She brought him to the White House, blah, blah, blah. And she was investigative reporter, a very good one. She was on the TV show, What's My Line? But she was like the number one investigative reporter, certainly female investigative reporter in the nation. And she told those around her, I know who murdered the president. And I'm going to go into New Orleans to get that information. She didn't last two nights. She was found dead in her apartment.

And without going to details, there was a lot of irregularities. You know, her glasses were on. She was sleeping. She didn't have her wig. You know, people that know her well, like, why was she here? Why was she wearing that? That just doesn't make sense. She might have drank, but she didn't take pills.

and she was found with right there was too much to live for for her to OD so but she told people and she even told her i think her cameraman you can't come with me it's too dangerous i got to be able to move in and out of new orleans and we know new orleans being a place because that's where lee harvey oswald and certain people were before the murders you know cans off cuba right now what's funny, Matt, is where their headquarters were, the hands-off Cuba, that Oswald would be handing out pamphlets. And I believe this was just to set up the narrative. This whole assassination was planned months in advance because right next door was the CIA's secret building. All right. Go figure. So, right in New Orleans there, right next door.

And if you watched the movie JFK, David Ferry and all those people, they're all eliminated. Right. So, you know, three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead, right? So that's kind of the issue we have here. So Jack Ruby now, he's sitting in jail. He tells the United States of American people, I did it because I love this country. And he didn't want to drag, he didn't want to drag Jackie Kennedy through a trial. And, you know, the sad image of JFK Jr.

And that little jacket saluting his father's casket is a lasting memory in a lot of baby boomers' minds. And so, you know, understandable, but it's not his motive. Jack Ruby was paid to do a job and he did it. Right. But then he realized. he's getting left out in the cold. Right. And he tells people, I want to talk, but I'm not safe here.

And for whatever reason, he wanted to get to Washington in front of the Justice Department. It's the only way he'd be safe. Jack Ruby was dead within months of a fast acting cancer. Like they gave him a hot shot of cancer. That's the best way I can explain it. He went from perfect health to just disintegrating, declining health. And he didn't live. Because there's another person eliminated.

So the Warren Commission comes out with its findings. They pick and choose who they want to testify. People that were there that saw it happen, that had their cameras confiscated, said they saw multiple gun win. If they were lucky enough to survive, they weren't called before the warrant commission. And there's so many different people

that could have testified that, like people that said they saw people carrying rifles. Right. To the assassination. To going back to the security guards or the Secret Service agent, just a whole plethora thing that all, add up to November 22nd, 1963, Dallas, Texas.

They could have just kept those hearings going on forever, but they picked and chose what they wanted. They came out with this volume that basically said, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in shooting John F. Kennedy because of Kennedy's stance on Cuba. Okay. It was, you know, I guess it to be the best way, you know, he was upset about that.

And that's what the world believed. Now, I mentioned you guys earlier when the birds, David Crosby, the late David Crosby, stopped the concert and started telling people, I believe, in San Francisco that our president was murdered. Right. And so the national conscience kind of thought there was something hinky about the whole. whole Kennedy assassination, but we didn't have this a Pruder film yet. Right. But, and you also, the, the, the, the Warren report, like all the reports and everything,

all the, all the documentation that they had to come up with this conclusion was sealed. It was sealed, was sealed. A great point, Matt. And they sealed it for 60 years. Right. And so basically, anybody alive wouldn't be able to read it. And they put back the ceiling even after that. They say, well, anybody that would be, anybody that would have been possibly implicated by review, by an impartial review of those documents, if it did lead to this person, well, that person 60 years later is dead because he's probably 40 or 50 at the time.

And in 60 years, he's going to be 110 and we'd be prosecuted. Like, that's not going to happen. And some of the people, some of the documents they've let out are completely redacted. So what redacted mean is they've taken a black line to certain names and incidences. So it really doesn't. So it just tells you there's a major cover up here. Right. Listen, the JFK, you know, like if anybody wants to watch the, you know,

if anybody wants to watch a great film on it, it really is JFK. Alder Stone's JFK. Fantastic movie. It's a great movie. And that's basically a DA. a district attorney in new orleans believed that you know some of the clay bertram or clay shaw whatever name he went by david ferry and and and some of the actors in new orleans that hung out with oswald he was going to arrest him for the murder of kennedy

because there was a woman that was dumped out of a car that came to him said they're going to kill the president right and she was right they did kill the president so there was talk going around in the secret circles that that was going to happen and so this didn't come out of the clear blue now unfortunately they were the men were found innocent but they're the only ones to be tried right and a lot of the but some of the evidence against them was also suppressed um very much so but i was going to mention um harry conic junior i believe is actually the son of the DA that does the prosecution. Interesting.

I'd heard that somewhere. I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive. Jim Garrison, it was the guy's name. Jim Garrison. Yeah, Jim Garrison. And so Harry Connick, Jr. I don't know. They heard like.

They do. Kevin Costner and Harry Connick kind of look alike. So. I'll have to look into that. So we'll skip up forward a couple of years. So why would Robert Kennedy not say, why, why would, he say the Warren Commission was okay why wouldn't he go nuts why wouldn't he one of Robert Kennedy's campaign promises was he wanted to reopen the investigation to his brother's murder

all right and he believed now you and I weren't alive then when he was campaigning but according to my parents and other people that you know he said there were questions that need to be answered that the Warren Commission's report was inaccurate and it left wanting you know right a lot be desired uh lbj handpicked basically his friends or people he got along with are people that didn't like john f kennedy to make up that it was just it was just wrong from the start right found that asked the wrong question to the wrong people and came up with the wrong conclusions so bobby says i'm going to reopen the investigation of my brother's murder And then he run, he also runs for, he decides he's going to run to become the,

doesn't he just become the Democratic parties? Well, he's winning the nomination. Okay. In June, what it be 69, 68, 68, he just won California. And he said it's on to Chicago for, I believe Illinois's primaries. But he's winning. Yeah, yeah. And I think people.

people now have realized that LBJ is a dud. Now, I just want to put my own conjecture in here. LBJ had the great society. Well, the great society wasn't that great. One of the things in his presidency was he ramped up Vietnam. And that was a war that we weren't trying to win, but we were just kind of stretch it out. Right. People hate Nixon, but at least Nixon.

sent to get people home right you know lbj just continued the war machine over and over again and he also made it for lower class families in his great society that you can't get welfare if you're married so a lot of underprivileged and some black families mom and dad didn't stay together right because it wasn't lucrative because you wouldn't get welfare You wouldn't get government assistance. So there were, you know, fathers left the household. And I, this is my personal opinion, this is what really hurt our country because we had the divorce way with like blacks and whites in the United States and in the mid-60s

was like 77%, you know, that were married. And it went to like 40-something. The families didn't stay together after that in lower-income houses because, I mean, if I can't get any assistance to feed my children, why would I stay married? Right. So, and I think that was a major gaff, but that would be Jay didn't care about

black people. Right. He said he did, but he didn't. And that's one of the big problems JFK had, that's how they were so opposite. So now you've got Robert Kennedy comes along. He's going to keep up with the civil rights work

that his brother did, that he so cared about and helping the poor and disenfranchised people in this country. He's a good-looking guy. Doesn't look like a monster like Nixon or LBJ and one of those codger guys. And he's going to reopen the investigation of his brother. And he's also going to bring the boys home from South Asia, Southeast Asia.

Well, and I want to tell a side story here that's really interesting. A young man won an essay contest. in San Francisco, or I forget what area, maybe greater L.A. area. And he got to go to the acceptance speech for the winner of the California primary, which was going to be at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And it would end up being Robert Kennedy. So he set himself up since he won the contest. He sat on a freezer in the pantry and the walkway,

and he would get a chance to see the winner of the primary walk by him, maybe shake his hand and get pictures. So the young man, he even wrote his name down somewhere in here. Jamie Scott Bryant,

I think is his name. Can't read my own handwriting. Anyways, Jamie's 15 years old. He wins this contest. He's sitting in the pantry there. And he's got his camera. with him very important to remember so robert f kennedy it's late at night he wins california he says it's on to chicago walks a side door into the pantry area to the kitchen and he's going to

leave the hotel rosy greer former los angeles or maybe i think it was a current loss bodyguard was his bodyguard big big NFL football player was his bodyguard okay and of course we we know what happens but i want to say this too colby doesn't know there was a polish colby probably thinks he became president so coby a polish national that worked for the toronto star happened to put his tape recording machine up on the dais where bobby spoke and said you know it's on to Chicago and it stayed running and he forgot it was there until like a couple hours later and he got that recording and he gave it to people that work on sound technology and you can clearly hear 14 shots ring out 14 i think sir hans her hand's gun only was like six or seven

i forget how it wasn't 14 that's the name of the guy that shot him sir hans supposedly sir hand sir hand that's right so what happens is robert f kennedy walks around the corner and gunfire breaks out robert f kennedy his aid people in the pantry there this is close quarters it's like this room there's a table in the middle and walk and then there's not much room but everybody that was in that room matt right said sir hans her hand was never closer than four feet from robert f kennedy okay and he was always in front of him All four shots. I didn't know anybody else got shot.

I thought it was just Robert Kinney. All four shots that hit Bobby Kennedy were in the back of his head and in his back. Okay. I did not know that. The wound that killed him was so close to the back of his head. It was stifling like there was burn marks. Someone put the gun that close to the back of his head and pulled the trigger. Now, again, again.

Rosie Greer, his bodyguard, tackle Sir Hans, Sir Hand, about four feet in front of him to the ground. And there's obviously pictures and they don't have that, you know, on moving pictures. But a lot of people,

there is film right afterwards with a busboy holding Bobby Kennedy's in his arms. And you can see back in the main auditorium, people, do we have a doctor? in the house? Is there a doctor in here? Pandemonium breaks out. Right. So they try to get a doctor in there. Bobby's bleeding, but he's still conscious. Ethel's wife comes out to his side. They end up

getting him out, getting him in an ambulance. Unfortunately, I believe he dies a day or two later in an L.A. hospital. Our young gentleman that won the contest that got to meet, or see, the president right presidential hopeful his film is confiscated by the FBI and he said as soon as Bobby walked in there he started taking pictures right ended the whole row and he never got his film back he sued the FBI and won $100,000 or something like that but again they can't let evidence that doesn't support the narrative doesn't support you know and what sad is and people think sirhan sirhan was an mk ultra candidate i was going to say what i was going to say what are your thoughts on the manchurian candidate i don't know

supposedly you know what that is a mansurian candidate is the the CIA was working with people giving them LSD. It's like surge, I can't tell you the whole acid. And they're trying to break people's will to where they or hypnotize them to do whatever you want them to do. So a Manchurian candidate is somebody who doesn't understand that he's been compromised. Yes.

So if you had had, you'd been dosed with LSD, you'd been brainwashed. Over and over and over again. altered and then put back into society and told to run for president so you run for president everybody helps you you become president and one day all we have to do is somebody says to you pink ponies love rainbows and you immediately go oh my gosh or you immediately say we need to go ahead and launch an invasion into um north korea immediately and you're like what what do you saying like you've been pre-programmed to do something based on something now yeah sir behavior modification with drugs uh sleep deprivation however you can make a manuring candidate

now i have personally seen hypnotist that hypnotize people and they say when i do this you're going to go next door and steal a bagel right you're going to act like a duck come back with bagels and they wake up and they're pissed because they're like where do that you're Or you stole it. You're going to be a duck. And next thing you know, they say something, they start walking around quacking like a duck. You've seen that. And it's all over YouTube.

If you don't believe me, you can watch these. So people believe there was a girl in a polka dot dress. Yeah, that's the symbol. Not a phrase, but a symbol. And when Sir Anne would see her, he would get his gun out and shoot Bobby Kennedy. The problem, again, is this is such a closed environment and so many people there. Now, Rosie Greer, now, he wasn't Jim Brown, but he was a pretty famous football player. And he was just adamant that Sir Han was never behind Kennedy.

He was in front of him. And Rosie's a big dude. Sir Han's a tiny little guy. Right. He, you know, he probably clubbed him like a baby seal when he realized what he's doing, you know. I mean, Sir Han had no chance. so they get the gun out of his hand they're screaming

pandemonium they try to revive Bobby Sir Hans obviously tried but again the cover up comes in LAPD dug the bullets out of all the walls because again

Sir Hans' gun only had X amount of bullets they said oh there was only X amount of shots but now we know like that the Polish reporter working for the Toronto Star, we've got his recording. You can hear everything. It's amazing.

And one of the things that... But the photos are gone. Some of the photos are gone. But we know that Bobby, the death shot, he probably could have survived the other ones, but the one that killed him was someone put a gun right up behind him, behind his head. now I'm going to try to find it for you guys but there's a lot of coverage on YouTube about the assassination of Bobby Kennedy

and one of them it's the CBS camera is just rolling you hear the screens and people are running around does anybody know a doctor does any you know have a doctor and that happens and then it's the craziest thing Matt you see somebody come out of the pantry door and he's talking to his friend across the room and he goes bang bang bang not bang right he goes bang bang and to me that spoke volumes that guy was in there he saw what went down

now the scary thing matt is this is 1960s america we already know with jfk's murder if you tell any other story you're dead right i mean dozens of witnesses to john f kennedy's assassination one guy car flipped over one guy in perfect health died of a heart attack one guy suicided himself you know just astronomical odds of people that witness the same event end up dying within 48 hours right it just doesn't happen and people have heard these things about JFK now Bobby and people that were in there they could not allow him to reopen a reopen the investigation in his brother's death right what a can of worms that would open for the United States of America if it was learned that a former

president had a hand in his boss's death or former vice president had a hand you know right or or the CIA or whoever and you know younger me would say well maybe they had reasons to do this you know maybe maybe Kennedy was selling us out to the rest no no no i don't believe that i was just going to say we we mentioned i mentioned it earlier it was it was uh where that that interview with putin where they say you know do you are you concerned about the you know presidents of the united states or who's going to be the next president he said it doesn't really matter yeah because he said he's already been through what three presidents three or four presidents and he was like doesn't really matter he's

like look the presidents run on agendas then they get elected they get into office he said and he actually says like he's like men show up with briefcases he said and gray suits he's like mine and he got you know he said but not he he's is actually kind of funny he goes he said he said they typically don't he says he said black though black suits or gray suits and a gray tie he said not a red tie like he said like i wear but you know he says all these he's kind of super descriptive on the suits which is odd is they show up they sit down and they explain how things work he said think about it he said when obama took office he said he was going to close first thing he was going to do was closed down um guantan mobe uh you know and he said did he never did he said when

he starts naming all these different promises he said that they could have shown up and with a stroke of a pin this is done that's it totally up to me he said but what happens is these men show up they explain how things work and then they allow them to continue going forward he said the next president comes in he has all these things on his agenda they walk in they say these are acceptable these aren't he said because the presidents are figureheads and they don't really run that's so funny you say that because i was which was spooky watching a something about area 51 uh Groom Lake where the UFOs and numerous presidents and senators have tried to figure out what's going on there.

They don't have the clearance to get in there. Oh, listen, but what was it? Trump said, I'll, he initially said he was going to, he would find out he would let you know, he would this, and then he got in and he says, and during his son was actually interviewing him, he said, I, I would, I would like to tell. tell you what I know. It's very interesting, he said, but, you know, he said, I'll, I'll, I'll think about it or something like that.

Yeah. But he never says anything. Because Carter was a, you supposedly saw a UFO? Yeah, said he saw the UFO. Hillary Clinton was big on it. He and her and Bill wanted to talk about UFOs, but it's so funny, they all have this ideology. When I become president, this is going to happen. I'm going to get the truth.

You know, we're going to do this. Well, then you've got these guys in front of. Congress saying, no, no, you don't understand. There's a whole secondary system that is outside of the purview of the presidency that actually run these programs. And you think about it. And the president has to have plausible deniability for certain things as well. Or does he even get to know, like, let's face it, maybe they just say, no, you're not allowed to know. And think about it. Think about the Pentagon has never successfully passed an audit. And it's not always like, oh, it's off by 11 million it's off by billions like remember donald rumsfeld saying there's three trillion

dollars missing right on september 10th 2001 right and then boom and then the area of the pentagon that they were had doing the auditing that got blown up on september 11th there was like i want to say and i could be off on the number it was like 300 million dollars flown in on like a DC something to Iraq flown in on pallets disappeared where do that we need that man where did that go just disappeared like and they're like yeah we don't know what happened we took it off the plane can't someone dump a pallet on the backyard here I mean I mean like how does that disappear how it landed on a military base how does it disappear and they're like yeah it's and nobody no huge investigation no tracking it down no video cameras no just gone yep like that's not you know

not that the not that the federal reserve couldn't just print up more money right but still the fact that even that you can track the fact that this money is missing tells you that a lot more has got to be missing absolutely and it all comes down to how president is a powerful person but there's people that have been there in that job that help the president and they'll be there when he's gone and a new person sitting there to explain to them kind of what the rules are

and how we do things here and listen listen 10 well let's say 15 or 20 years ago like half the conversations I have now I would roll my eyes at the the things that I believe now to me 15 or 20 years ago art would have been laughable.

It's like, are you serious? Like, bro, aliens? Yeah. Like, UFOs, are you joking? I got something good for you. One of the things that Kennedy did do when he was in office, he told our treasury to start printing money. Now, people don't understand that the Federal Reserve was hoodwink,

the creature from the Jekyll Island is a great book to read. Right. About how they tried to do it with Taft, but he would have no go. But Woodrow, Wilson was basically the one that allowed us to have a federal reserve, which is not federal and it's not a reserve. It's a centralized bank that basically tells our lawmakers, this is what the percentage is, what the discount rate, we're going to loan money.

And it's all set up. And it's all set up to think about the name, federal reserve. Yeah. Well, then it's federal, right? No. No. It's not federal. It's like, oh, but the president chooses who runs the federal reserve.

No, it doesn't. they go to him with like five names that they've all been approved by the federal reserve they've agreed these five guys we're okay with mr president pick from one of these five because we're good with any of them so you tell me did he elect it looks like he elected them it looks like he chose the guy oh i like this guy okay good we don't give a shit which one you fucking choose you don't really have a choice anyway and think about it who really runs it it's the rockefellers the rothschilds the city of london the vatican the people that have been in power for hundreds of years that really run things and so Kennedy tells our treasury now

that's our where we mint our money we we do that for the federal reserve makes monetary policy how much we can have they basically print money and we borrow money from the federal reserve right And then they might buy our T bills that so they're double dipping, you know, or they're selling us that, but buying and selling, you know, funds, discount. That's how they, it's open market operations, basically lower the discount rate. The Fiat system that the banks run on is, that's what it started. The Fiat system. It's an illusion to, it's an illusion, it creates an illusion of security that is really not

there right but when Kennedy was still president our money was still backed by gold and silver at the time right so he had our treasury start printing money and they were red numbered money so if you

find a bill from pre 1963 with red numbering that's called a Kennedy bill there's not many of them out there but he wanted to do away with the Federal Reserve that'll get you killed in a heartbeat right and yeah nixon pulled took us off the the gold standard it's so many things that yeah you know and i know trump want to do away of the he once talked about doing away with the federal reserve

because again it's not federal it's not a reserve we don't control our own money supply and thomas jefferson said if america doesn't control its money supply it's doomed and now we're talking we're hearing about a digital dollar coming in the future because it's like matt says it's fiat money it has its money that has no intrinsic value in of itself now it used to be that this this note is it worth this much in gold or silver like the british pound sterling that's why they call it because it's worth sterling silver the pound note was so yeah do you know how easy it is to open a bank open a bank have you ever really looked into it like it is it's it's i mean it's not easy like the guy that works at tire keying Kingdom can't open one. But if you had a few million dollars, you can open a bank. Yeah. You really, because what happens is all you have to do, because each state has its own banking policies, right? So you open a bank in Florida. You can then turn around. And it's easy. Like, for instance, you go to the Department of Banking Finance and they'll say, well, look,

you need $5 million. You can put in half the money, raise half the money. You need a physical location, which, by the way, the physical location has to meet certain guidelines or you can have an offshoot of a physical location which means you can have a parent bank like Bank of America can represent you. So you can basically have your bank

can be in like a strip mall. So you have a little strip mall bank. You don't have anything. You're just a parent company, you're just an offshoot. You have a parent company like Bank of America to represent you. You pay them a small fee.

And then you only have to have like the people that run the bank only have to have a few years experience in banking. So now you're a state bank. So if I have a couple million dollars, I can raise the rest of the money from selling stock in the company. So now I'm a bank.

Now I become a bank. And I can, I'm under the umbrella of a larger bank like Bank of America. And you don't have to stay that way, but you can. And then once you're a state bank, you can then apply to become an FDI insured bank. So you actually have state banks that are small local state banks like credit unions, things like that. Then you can become a federally insured bank, an FDIC insured bank by the federal. But you don't have to. You don't have to do that. But you can. And all you

have to do to have that is you have to meet the Federal Reserve requirements, which is really almost identical to most of the states, which is some of the people that run the bank have to have so many years inexperience running banks. And most of these bank presidents, So if you were a bank president of another bank, you can be the bank president, by the way, of multiple banks. So I just go to you and say, I'll pay you this much to qualify us to become a federal, an FDIC insured bank. And now I get to borrow money from the Fed. Federal Reserve. Absolutely.

My dad's friend opened First United Bank in Boccauton, did really well at a couple branches. He got bought out. I think, Wachovir, someone bought out a year later. they didn't keep the name he opened the brand new bank first united same name and everything grew that sold that bank you used to when i looked into it it was like you literally could do it for like it was like two and a bank in florida for like two and a half million so you only had to have like a million and change like i'm sure it's higher now that's why i was saying two and a half million like whatever it is now i don't know but back then it was ridiculous and i only knew that because a guy that

I, a mortgage company, a lending company I was dealing with, came to me one day and said, would you be interested in buying stock in this bank that we're opening? And I was like, what do you mean? And he said, yeah, we're going to open a bank. He said, that way we can start borrowing money directly from the Federal Reserve. And I went, you can't just open a bank. You're a lender, which only required $250,000 in reserves to be a correspondent lender. you had to have like 50,000 reserves, which is what I had.

And only 10,000 of that had to be liquid. So my company only had to be worth like 40,000. Wow. And I had to have 10,000 sitting in it. And now I'm a correspondent lender. So I'm going over all this. And he explained the whole thing, pulled the pamphlets out, everything. And I remember going, this is insane.

Yeah. For a cup, for less than $2 million. And you could be free. And then he was explained, then he started explaining borrowing money to lend to people and getting a mortgage and then have it once you have that mortgage you can use that as collateral to borrow additional, you borrow like 10 times

the amount of mortgage. I'm like, that doesn't even make sense. He's like, I know, bro. If you've got $10,000 physically in your bank, you can loan $100,000 on it. Yeah, because you get screwed. Because it's all digits and, you know, buses and zeros. It's the analog system.

People, they don't know, I send my, right, Kobe, a $10,000 check to his bank they're not moving 10 grand over it just shows right crazy but but the thing will lend you if you have if you have something of value of 10 000 they'll allow you to lend 100 000 that's the fiat system and so okay so now if i lend that money and get mortgages use that money to open up mortgages and now i own the possession of those mortgages are valued at the 100 000 now i have a hundred thousand dollars can i now borrow a million of course you can what are you talking about you're continuing to lend me money based on

instruments that you're helping me create in the end my bank is worth very little money you see what I mean is you're not worth a whole lot like you're letting continually lending me on the same money the principle that you're setting forth the underwriting guidelines you're setting forth you're helping me to create I don't actually have any of this money so that's why that's why a lot of these banks like they can't let them go under right because the domino effect would be horrible yeah they call too big to fail and you know that again getting back to kennedy he saw major problems in the whole banking institution and he had us print our own money

and that had to be the biggest slap in the face to the powers that be that really run the show i want to mention one more kind of conspiracy theory and that's john f kennedy junior in that flight that crashed off martha's vineyard right and what people don't realize is Ted Kennedy went to Clinton and had to beg him to get the Coast Guard out there looking for that plane. Okay. Because they dragged their feet. And people think, yeah, that's because Hillary Clinton was worried about John F. Kennedy,

Jr., who was a good-looking young guy. Getting the nomination? She was a New York senator, you know what I'm saying? and he was looking for her job, possibly the presidency. He was going to be a serious political foe of Hillary, which was the late 90s, early 2000s back then. So you know, John F. Kennedy, you know, his plane crashed just off Martha's venue. But they waited hours and hours to do any search.

And Ted Kennedy, when he was still alive, had to go to Bill Clinton and beg him to order the Coast Guard to go look for that plane. He had taken a plane out. He was a pilot, but he wasn't certified to fly the plane simply by... He was only sired, not instrument-rated. Yeah, he wasn't instrument-rated. So when he went out and it was night,

he became disoriented and the plane crashed, you know, supposedly. That's what they tell us. Yeah. And the sad thing is, we only know by what they tell us. his fiancee was with him and his was it his fiance sister i think right his inner sister you know like at the last minute like the sister was going to come with him like oh how fucking horrible

yeah terrible so yeah it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a that the whole family is just a family with tragedy now ted kennedy the the third brother i've heard some interesting stories about him chappaquit mary joe kepeckney was a girl that worked in the kennedy campaign and her body was found where a bridge had I guess what you'd say there was no more bridge the bridge had worn out washed away and her body was found in the back seat and supposedly the story was that Ted and her were driving away that Ted saved himself didn't get her out of the car supposedly he was drunk and he kind of the story yeah he drives off the bridge but I read a book about a young couple that said we were at the bed and breakfast that Ted was staying at and we know it was Ted because we talked to him every morning he was in great mood but someone came in that morning at eight and he was like oh my gosh laughed and so people are now

thinking that Ted was actually having a fair with Mary Jo because that night one of the local cops shine the light in the car and Ted and Mary Joe was in the in there and they think that they were stepping out of marriage vows there and so after they were done ted got out of his car went back to with his wife she didn't realize the the bridge was out got killed there but ted has to explain what he was do you know doing with mary joe at 1030 at night and his saying was he said yeah I was just driving her back because we had the fundraiser out there in Martha's vineyard so he had to explain his whereabouts and he's kind of between a rock and a hard place he either admits he's having an affair which is going to ruin his chance for

president or that he was driving and drunk and and couldn't get to marry Joe had to save himself right which so then by the time they can they they called the police and everything he sobered up so he doesn't appear that he's drunk he basically but there's a lot of people that are now coming out saying that they saw him get the news the next morning and he was shocked like his face turned white and they said he wasn't in that car the night before he was just having an affair on his wife and he found out the next morning that she died both could have been both you never know i always assumed he was he was banging the chick yeah you know and that he got drunk and went off like I I I yeah right and and obviously he wasn't able to run for president he stayed he was a

senator and he just stayed a senator until he was a powerful senator much like linden baines johnson for years or Mitch McConnell if he can stay awake right so what's uh what's what's next what's going on i don't what's are we are we wrapping this up i you know i think we could how long we got two hours and 30 minutes oh man okay uh i i There's other rabbit holes we can go down. I think that people need to understand there's guys like Gerald Posner that have written books that it was Oswald and he acted alone.

Well, guess what? I'm not saying he's an agent for the CIA, but he's a shill that's been paid a lot of money to tell this story and tell it this way. And if you hear any other story, or that basically says Oswald was the shooter. It's just impossible, man. It's just impossible.

What about... He might have known, but he wasn't the shooter. What about the Secret Service agent that just recently came out with a book? Well, he basically said that he found the pristine bullet, you know, evidence number 399 and the Warren Commission, the pristine bullet. That he found it on the back of the limousine. and he put it on the gurney because he said, well, I just felt like it needs to be near the body.

Now, any agent worth of salt would know which gurney the president had been laying on because the nurses had cleaned it up and they found no bullet there. Right. Okay. So the other idea that it just falls out of his body. Well, it's basically been said that it fell out of Connolly's leg. and it's a pristine bullet with no blood on it. But he's saying this now to say that, yeah, the magic bullet theory is not true

because this bullet I found laying on top of the car. It's not something that fell out of Connolly, but I just put it in there, you know, what he should have done in. If it's true, it bagged it and tagged it, is put it in the evidence. Now, you have to understand Clint Hill, the man that they think he was in love with. Jackie O. I mean,

they would share cigarettes. She loved Evan Clint because she was a secret smoker. And the gentleman here, Paul Landis,

Landis, these were people that were assigned Hill and Landis were both assigned to the Kennedy family. Clint Hill was not one

of the nine agents out drinking, but Landis was. He was one of the guys that went out the night before and got drunk. These guys,

have changed their stories over the years. Oh, no. Initially, they all wrote in their reports, the fire came from in front of us. Right. Then all of a sudden, two months later, no, the fire was behind us. And initially, when the fire was in front,

we could smell the cordite, we could see the smoke, we could see muzzle flash. And then it was, no, we just heard it. We didn't smell anything. So these guys have changed their stories over the years so many times, Matt. can you believe them and like i was saying to you guys earlier if someone's going to give me a

three hundred thousand dollar advance to write a book right what do you want me to say what do you want it to say what do you what do you might me say you know yeah it beats mortgage fraud right yeah yeah um all right are we are we good we're good listen we're going to have the 60th anniversary of uh jfk this coming november it's coming november Sadly, we just had the 55th anniversary last June of RFK. There's going to be more talked about it in the news. So I think this is a timely podcast. But I just encourage everybody.

There's a lot of information on YouTube to where you can see it yourself. Make up your own mind. Look at the evidence. Look at the Zapruder film. Listen, I honestly, I still, the JFK movie with, with Kevin Costner and Oliver Stone. It's very entertaining and it's very educational because he goes through frame by frame in the Zepruder film. Yeah.

And that film wasn't out until 1975. Matt's going to remember. Geraldo Rivera first came in our life because he had Al Capone secret vaults. Remember that? Yeah. Like in the early 80s. And they couldn't wait to open the vaults to see what Al Capone had stashed. It was a big bag of nothing.

Okay. but Geraldo Rivera in the 70s got a hold of the Zapruder film and he's one of the first people to show the Zapruder film to the national audience that had to wake a lot of people up and that had to make a lot of people in Washington, D.C. nervous. Geraldo was huge there for a while, wasn't he? Yeah. He was huge. He had a couple of disappointing shows. Yeah. He was big on hype.

Yeah. You might have wanted to open that safe first. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we'd take a look what's in there. there. I sat and I watched the whole thing, Matt, for nothing. But, you know, he brought out the Zeprooter film. So he had some, you know, he had some clout that, you know, that helped him. Who got their nose broken? Yeah, he got punched. Oh, yeah, yeah. He got punched on that.

He had kind of like a Jerry Springer type show. Yeah. For a while there. And actually just got punched right in the face. Yeah. Bam. I mean, like blood, the whole thing. hilarious i forgot about that that's true yeah he's been around but we had some good shows we had the morton downy junior show back then a lot of these people and they would put a neo-nazzi with the black panther or something and i believe a neo-nazzi is the one that punched to ralda rivera never it was crazy this is back when Oprah Oprah was uh you know uh interviewing you know, midgets or, you know, little people, dwarfs that had sex with their, you know, chiropractors or whatever, you know, it was like it was just, she wasn't giving out dishwasher

no, she was, yeah, this is when she first started. It was like, oh, these are horrible. But as she became more popular, she was able to slowly like, okay, we're done with the dwarfs. I actually was on the Oprah show. Did I ever tell you that? No. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. For what? My brother There was an organ donor, and he died. Oh, okay. And the lack of my last conversation with my brother was about ESPN did a story called Ray of Hope. And it was about this guy, Jason Ray, who was the mascot for University of North Carolina. He wore the Ramsey's outfit.

And his Divine Providence, he was in North Jersey. He had the rare blood type, and he's six, five. So he's got, there's three gentlemen that are all big. They have the rare blood type, and they need an organ. Unfortunately, he goes out to get a sandwich, gets hit by a hit-and-run car. He's dying. His mom, Emmett and Charlotte, back in North Carolina, they get the horrible phone call that nobody wants. But basically, your son's dying.

He doesn't have any brain activity. But he's an organ donor. We want your blessings. And those men, one guy got his heart. And so Emmett and Charlotte got to list. their son's heart and some other person's chest. Another guy got his liver and two other. There were four men total.

One got his pancreas and the other got his kidneys because he was in liver, a kidney failure. And so ESPN got these men together to meet Jason Ray's mom and dad. And I was blown away. When I was 16 years old and I got my driver's license, my brother made me sign up to be an organ donor. And I was like, what? All I remember was Monty Python live organ donor.

And I was like, organ donor, what do you mean? He's like, trust me. You can't take it with you. Right. And it's a good thing. So my brother, when he passed away, his eyes were donated, skin and all that. They flew the body for free. And it's just an amazing thing.

You know, there are people that are burn victims or people that have no vision. Right. It's just the last selfless, great, beautiful act you can do before you died. But that Jason Ray show, because that's my last conversation with Dan, my brother, that I ever had with him. I was like, dude, you got to watch this right up your alley, Dan. The guy's an organ donor. And I feel bad for his mom and dad. It was terrible.

So I wrote ESPN a letter thanking them because that show was healing to me and my family. and they put me in touch with Emmett and Charlotte Ray. So I'm emailing them back and forth. And then when they went on the Oprah Winfrey show, I was kind of like that other guest that came out, you know, oh, and by the way, we know you've been talking to this young man, David Wilhauer in South Florida, who lost his brother.

And I came on the Oprah show. And she asked me two questions. the first question I did great. The second one, I was reading on the teleprompter and had the greatest answer. And she asked me a different question. And I didn't do so well, Matt. But I've got it. It's January 31st, 2008, Dr. Oz's Medical Miracles.

And I was on the Oprah show. It was pretty cool. All right. We'll play that. Maybe we can play that. There's a lot of plans. Well, I'll send it to you. Okay.

Okay. But, yeah, you can see me. a lot skinnier back then but yeah beloved woman Oprah Winfrey not in hell bro yeah I know she was back

I think she might have take a trip to Lila Lola Lita Island I don't know but she loved your boy here she kept giving me hugs up on stage and so my girlfriends I went to college with they're like she loved you I'm telling you Oprah love me

and we're getting pictures behind and my dad's like we got a plane to catch and I'm like Oprah's talking to me I'm not going anywhere yep so all right we went from Horaldo Rivera to my brother's

that's fine that's fine it's good stuff yep all right I'm gonna thank you for coming thank you for having me and you're going to take me a lunch now absolutely and let me wrap this up all right

hey I appreciate you guys watching the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button share the video if you like videos like this then you want to get notified hit the bell leave a comment in the comment section and i really appreciate it and we're gonna leave a link let's leave a link because colby doesn't have anything else to do let's leave a link in the description to uh the jfk movie we talked about i'm telling you to the great movie and the zapruder film well i mean colby might we just probably try and and put that in somewhere if not we'll try and leave a link even the bobby the assassination of bobby

kennedy there's a lot of cameras that were left on and you can see what i was talking about okay we'll try and figure something out i appreciate you guys watching thank you much thank you much thank you much thank you very much see ya dave how are you i'm good i'm good i got a little story to tell you i know so you contacted me you said hey man listen i knew this guy he was a con man this is an insane story and then we talked on the phone a couple times and you you're not obviously the con man but you ended up living with this guy

and you were friends with him for how long? I lived with him for six months and I saw the whole thing unfold. I saw the tragic end when he skipped town in the end but we'll get to that but I just saw the way he manipulated people and it's a pretty amazing story and this guy

had known these people for six, seven years, years so it's not like some guy that just came in someone's life right but he was a con man so he was setting them all up the long con what happened like how like one did you ever find out like you know had he ever done this before he'd done it before right and then what so then he comes in a town and he starts over he moves to florida where he had he lived before Cleveland Ohio and he done it in Cleveland yes what did he done there he had just He ripped people off about over $150,000. Okay.

And his parents had to pay to make the people whole. All right. And then he moves. Moved to Florida. Works for a commercial fisherman for a while. Then he gets a job with AB and Amro. That's the amalgamated bank of Amsterdam or Rotterdam. They're like the fourth or fifth largest bank in the world.

LaSalle Bank, if you're familiar with them out of Chicago. Okay. I'm not. I hear you. Well, they were big back in the day. When was this? 2005. You're about to start.

adventure and I was going on a little venture my own there. So it's 2005. I had just shattered my femur falling off a roof. I'm a former financial advisor who does roofing. That, well, I wasn't really a roofer. I had another way to make some money. I had friends that paint. Okay. I was painting a roof. I wasn't actually a roof and I've said that. I had a guy that I used to work with at Payne Weber, UBS, UBS Payne Weber said, I need my roof painted. The homeowners insurance association is coming after me. So make a long story short, I gave him a quote. I didn't hear from them six months later.

I come back. The tile breaks. I fall. I shatter my femur. I'm learning to walk again. And so I was just going to the racetrack, basically, at the Palm Beach Kennel Club. So you're not working. Not working.

Staying with mom and dad. right mom taking care of me let me tell you something when you wake up see the beautiful sunrise your body heals faster they lived down the beach it was great so this is spring training 2005

my buddy Jeff Cox we call him Coxie I've known him for years he said hey I'm going to bring Paul LaDuca by he's a new Marley got traded the year before to come up and hang out with us so I'm hanging out with us so

I'm hanging out with Paul and Coxie, and there was this guy sitting in the corner, kind of kept to himself, had a bag of pens in his racing form, and slowly but surely, especially after Paul's wife went back to San Antonio, we were there Thursday, night, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. In a major league baseball, you have to play about five innings, and then you can leave, and Paul had horses that he owned at the time, so he would drive from Jupiter to West Palm Beach and watch him run. So I'm having a blast, just hanging out with these guys, especially when they make $8 million a year. Right.

And hanging out with Coxie and Paul. And so this guy sitting in the corner didn't bug us, really played it cool. And that's what a con man needed to do, kind of worked his way in. But we noticed he was a pretty good handicapper. He would pick some winners. And if he won, he would buy us around the drinks. And not that I'm an expert, but in my. life I've noticed if you want to be friends with a celebrity or be cool don't ask

them for anything don't ask for autographs don't be annoying they want to be treated like something yeah you know just they want to be treated like a regular dude right and so I used to be a sports agent and I had the we would go to the second floor in this little cubbyhole cafe because I wanted to keep Paul away from I hate to call him riffrap but a lot of the people in the kennel club they're just brutal And, you know, they're probably Mets or Yankees fans, and they're giving Paul Grief because he plays for the Marlins. And I remember one guy saying, hey, Ladook, I didn't know you're so short. And he'd say, yeah, but when I stand in my wallet, I'm a lot taller than you.

All right. So, so anyways, time goes on and we just befriend this guy. He said, his name's Dave. David Scott Srail. My name's David Scott Wilhauer. Hey, that's nice. He's from Cleveland, Ohio. I'm from Michigan, so he's a buck guy, I'm a wolverine.

But he was just a super nice guy. And so then Paul was talking to him, Coxie's talking to him. So he kind of joined our little group for that month and a half every weekend in the spring of 05. So about April, Coxie and Paul, you know, the big club's going to go play at the old pro player state. And we're the Dolphins play now. They've since moved to downtown Miami. But the Marlins played right out on the right by call to race course. And so I was thinking, hey, I'm going to go the racetrack.

And then I go see boys play baseball. And Dave's like, hey, why don't you come move in with me and get a job where I work? And I was like, well, what do you do? He's like, well, it's a mortgage company. He's like, you'd be great, sound. mortgages, like, man, I don't know anything about mortgage. He's like, listen, you start out as a temp. And then eventually, if you do really well, they'll hire you on full time. I start as a temp. I make great money there. He said, you'd be great selling mortgage. If you're a stock

broker, you could be a mortgage broker. He's like, then you'll be close to your buddies down there. Right. And so when I say down there, it's about 50, 60 miles south of where we're at. So, and I didn't have any other options at the time. And this guy was offering to let me live in his house on the beach. Right. And at first I was like, he was, you all right? Right. But he was like, he was a pretty cool dude.

And so I eventually, I remember talking to Paul about it. And he's like, yeah, the guy's straight. You know, why not? Just take them up on the offer. Can't hurt. So I interviewed, I got the job at AB&Amro. And I was selling second loans and he locked, home equity lines of credit. Right.

And their full-time people do first mortgages. Every once in a while, it's a call center. I forgot to mention that. It's inbound call. So all you're doing is taking calls all day long. Right. And so it's like if I made commission on it, I'd be making silly money. But they paid me $15 an hour, and I've got to prove to them that I'm good enough.

to work full-time. Right. So, and it was going great. And then, like, Dave would pay, would go at the dinner, he'd pay. I'm thinking, this guy's rolling. Right. He must be really doing well,

but he works in the, he didn't sell loans. He did the, uh, uh, quality control, uh, processor.

Yeah, in the processing. Okay, he works in the processing department. And so, but he drove a nice convertible BMW And his house was right on Arizona Street And Hollywood Beach It was a little two-bedroom place

I mean, it needed some work, but it was a really cool place Because you know what they say about real estate The three most important things are location, location And location and location And this guy is 600 yards from the waves Right, right down on the beach So it was a great location So I'm living with my

new friend working there and I ended up doing really well. I was writing like 250 second loans or home lines of credit a month. Nice. But again, I'm getting calls and I've got a lot of them are LaSalle or Amy and Amory customers so their information comes up there. And so I've just filling in the blanks. Some people you had to turn them away. They got 5.25% and they want to refinance at five and you have to explain to them with. closing it just doesn't make sense with closing costs so now in the end I was thinking I don't think he wanted him to do well but we'll get to that I mean I don't think he wanted me to do well and we'll get that figured out later on I'll get you guys opinion on that because he had scams

that he was working on but I didn't know it at the time right so at a mean Amro everybody go out in the smokers alley I didn't smoke but I just had to take a break because my back my hip blah blah blah and i'd see him talking to people but everybody was dave's friend at the office this guy everybody loved him and i remember one night i think it's may i'm waiting for him at the quarterdeck to have dinner i'm like dude where are you someone's car didn't start he stayed on behind to help him he was that dude at the office right that helped the little old lady He'll help you move. He'll stop you move.

He was that guy. And I was like, this guy's unbelievable. You know, I know nobody's perfect. And he showed some of his other qualities that weren't great, but, you know, he's just a human being like the rest of us. So I remember he told me that a girl that he used to date, Avalina, he introduced her to Travis. Travis is a mortgage broker.

Avalina works in the office near him and they're good friends and they work at Abey and Amro there and I had mentioned something about watching the Kentucky Derby because that's my thing. I'm in a horse racing and Dave said hey

at work don't mention horse racing at least don't include me I'm like why he's like eh people have you know they think it's degenerate gambling whatnot. He's like, so please don't, don't say anything about me and horse racing and whatnot. He's like, just tell him you go antiquing. I'm like, there's no chance I'm going to tell anybody I'm

going antique. Right. But he's like, well, just keep my name out of it. I thought that was weird. People don't want to give gamblers money to invest. Exactly. But Avelina would give Dave like 300 bucks and he'd go to the antique shows and bring her back 400. I would lay. or find out that was what was going on. Right. So he's building up trust with the people at work like, hey, I'm hitting this antique show. If you guys want to invest and he paid them all back and then some. They made a nice little score with him.

So he's building credit with all these people at work. Now, I don't know this. I just think it's Travis and Avalina. But I just remember he was really upset when I said, it's Kentucky Derby. Because that same week's my birthday. That's like my favorite week of the year. And I just remembered, wow, that's the first time I saw him kind of get mad at me. I was like, I was like, all right, bro.

Just, I'm not going to tell him I'm going antiquing. Right. So, it worked going fine. I'm doing well. I'm progressing there. I remember one day he had a Friday off. And my car wouldn't start. And he said he was going antiquing.

Right. And I was like, all right, knock yourself out. I'll see you later. We'll meet at the bar. You know, something like that. And I called my uncle, and he's like, I'll come down, jump you. And he's got to drive like 45 miles. He's the only person I could find.

One of the lifeguard friends of ours that we play poker with at night says, hey, I'll give you a jump start. So I called my uncle back and said, hold off. He said, I'm still going to meet you. Meet me at Pep Boys. We've got to get your new battery. The weather turns hot, batteries go bad. So it's turn off, jumpstart, but when I turn the car off, wouldn't restart, needs a new battery.

I drive, meet my uncle, I come back. And in Florida, in the East Coast, you have intercoastal waterways. You've got to go over the bridge to get back, because we live, you know, the ocean side of the intercoastal. And I remember driving by Dania Highlight because that was just the way back to the house. And I saw Dave's car sitting there at like 11 o'clock in the morning. I thought, that's weird. Maybe his antiquing got done early, but what's he doing there? Now, they show simulcast racing from Australia and England and all that.

So I'm like, oh, that guy's junking out betting the ponies. Right. So when I called him later, he pretended like he was still antiquing. I was like, when we say antiquing, we mean. I mean, like, going buying antiquing. So you think he's really going antiquing. I thought antiquing was code for, I'm at the races. Exactly.

So when you say antiquing, you're saying you really think he was going antiquing? He was trying to tell me he was antiquing. I'm thinking he's going to the racetrack. I don't care. Right. My problem there was, I caught him in a lie. Right. You don't need to lie to me.

Tell me, yeah, dude, I'm betting Royal Ascot. It's showing it great. There's no reason to lie to me. And I just thought that was funny that he's trying to sell one over. on me on a Friday that he didn't have to go to work and you're living with him yeah and I'm living with him and I just thought that was really odd because he finally came up with the story oh no I did go antique you know because what he would say he would do his brother has Ken Srail has an antique and stamp company so it's one of

those things he knows all about it living vicariously through his brother so giving his brother's line out there to people like he's an expert at it and i'm sure dave grew up he knows the antique business a little bit we did have some pieces where he had some pieces in the house there he's like don't set your drink on that table that's worth about a thousand dollars right no i was like oh you know so he knew his stuff and so but he didn't need to lie to me when all he had to say it was yeah i'm done i got done antique you know looking at antiques because what he was saying he was doing was he would go to these sales and he knew wealthy people that were looking for something.

So if he find the piece, he would just play middleman and broker it and make a couple hundred dollars. So that's what he was doing when Avalina was giving him $300. He was just going to the racetrack and just, even if he lost, he was just giving her more money to build up credit. But what he told them he's doing is he's buying pieces

and flipping them basically. Right. So when I say antiquing, like flipping antiques to make money. Okay. So that was the only really thing that made me hesitate early on. He did the same thing for my parents. My parents gave him $1,000.

He said, yeah, I've got some antiques that I'm going to go buy in Miami. And he left one day, came back, said, here's $1,400 for your mom and dad. You know, I was like, wow, that's an easy way to make 40% on your money pretty fast. And again, that builds credit. ability. And so, you know, he would give me grief about the music that I listened to. And I just like this guy named Josh Rouse because I met him. But I like Dan Halen and you two. And those are my bands. But he wanted to play Counting Crows. But I remember he would just needle me like, let's listen to Josh Rouse. Let's, you know, just make fun. So it's not like he was perfect,

Mr. Cool. He wouldn't be a goofball. He could be a douchebag. Yeah. And he could act like a douchebag. But then I was like, hey, I remember saying, hey, at least I'm the one the metrosexual guy, everybody's questioning about. And he goes in his room and he comes out, this is Jen. That's my ex-fiancee. She died of cancer. And I felt like a shitbag. Is it true? I doubt it.

But at the time, I'm like, oh, he's got pictures ever. He's got a whole story about her. And I'm like, oh, I can't believe I did that. So he's got his con game down. I'm like, oh, Dave, put your foot in your mouth. I remember I walked outside. And he's like, bro. He's like, you're a dick, but it's okay, man.

He's not the first one. I was like, hey, as long as you're not going to come hop in my bed at night, I don't care, you know. Right. So we just played a, we're dudes, you know, we're playing it off. I said, I just, you know, we got all these hot chicks around here. He's like, man, I just can't get, I can't get Jen out of my head. And I said, I understand.

You poor tortured soul. Let me invest in some antiques. And what's crazy is I had been engaged July of 2002, been a good seven grand at Wilderness Lodge and 20 days later I was unengaged and that's because I loved her dearly. We just weren't in love.

Right. And, you know, if I hadn't proposed, we'd probably still be dating. You know, as one of those things, we just had to do something and just cut the cord and be done. She and I are still dear friends. But, so I was,

it was kind of weird. I had always had a serious girlfriend, but I was kind of playing the field and I'm in a new territory and it was just kind of weird in the, the bar rats that's not really my my scene there because there's plenty of girls that'd be intoxicated and Dave's like bring one home I'm like no I'm not going to do that it's just that's

never been my deal and I was like why don't you bring one home and then you know that's kind of what precipitated the whole thing so he explains to me back in Cleveland he got engaged this high school sweetheart Jen developed cancer and just he took care of of her. She went downhill. And so he came to Florida, worked on a fishing boat, and just need a new break. And I was like, you know, that was six years ago, but it was still obviously really bothering him. So I hadn't mentioned my buddy Matt, who I went to college with. And he had Section 8 apartments and houses, and he bought stuff. And he's like, you know, as a senior management at A.B. and Amro, we've got a bunch of foreclosures.

He said, Matt would have to be partners with me. But we got a whole portfolio foreclosures, and we get first dibs on them. And so I get him on the phone with my college. Not exactly how it works, but okay. But you don't know any better. I didn't know any better at the time. And he's got the appraisals on company letterhead. We go and look at the houses.

Right. He's like, here's one in Pembroke Pines. It's a 2-2. You know, I think the company has got 38 invested into it. If we, you know, so I didn't know any better. And I'm talking to Matt. And Matt's one of those guys. He did well for himself, but he thinks he's smarter than he is.

Right. And his brother and I used to go, hey, Matt, we've given you our knowledge. You've chose to disregard it. So good luck. You know, he's one of those guys. So, anyway, Matt ends up sending him like 30 grand. But I really didn't stay that in tune with that. I just knew that Matt had bought a couple houses and they were looking at a third.

Now, understand, I go to the racetrack with this guy all the time, but he's not whipping out five, ten grand. Something my baseball buddies do. You know, he's just, he's betting pretty moderately here. But I do remember him playing a pick six and he lost in the last race. And the look on its face was like someone died. Like he really needed the horse to win. I was like, oh, man.

And come to find out, it was like if he would hit it would have been like two or 300,000. That would have cleared a lot of his troubles. Right. And so, but, you know, I didn't know it at the time, but he really needed that money. And he was pretty salty on the ride home. And I never really saw that side of him. He was just really angry and frustrated.

But, you know, being a guy that likes a gamble, hey, I understand that. And I just thought that was, hey, he just had some bad luck at the racetrack. Right. But what his problem is is his time's running out. And he's, you know, we'll get to it. but his time's running out. He's got to come up with some serious money soon here. So there wasn't too much more to tip me off,

but I finally started thinking, this just doesn't make sense. Remember when you said you were at the bank and the bank guy said, I can't put my finger on it, but something's not right here. And you said, well, I'm sure it will come to you. So I was kind of

It's just your intuition It's just my intuition just told me something was really off And you know what the main thing was He wouldn't I didn't go in his room And when you peaked in there It was a pig sty And people that Do well normally take care of their stuff

Right now I can typically have a You typically need to have an organized mind In order to be an organized person And be able to you can fake it Right But you can't fake it all the time if it's just not true to your nature. Like very, very well said, Matt. His mattress looked like he hadn't washed his sheets in three years.

It was that. It had like the sweat stains on it. Right. I'm like, oh my gosh, that looks like a prison cell. And I'm no neat freak, but I started rebelling from him, like, making up my bed every day and just trying to push you the other way. You know, trying to be like, hey, if girls ever come back here, are you going to bring one in that room? right and so we would play have poker games at night on the weekends there was this place called Mulvaney's a beach bar we would go to and he would pay every time Matt and I was like

dude I'm not your girlfriend right you know and I grew up with a father that always picked up the check and so it's just my nature if I'm taking a check out yeah I'm paying the friends I'm paying I'm just paying. It's just, that's the reality. I'm paying. You know, I'm old school like that. It's just what it is. So,

and it just, I just remember thinking, this is weird. So one Saturday, I'm at home, mail goes through the slot. And it's his Bank of America statement. I opened it.

Totally inappropriate. But anyway, what is that? you know what looks you and I feel bad I feel bad nobody feels worse about this than me but that fucker was thick I did feel bad

but he's got my my buddy Matt money for 30 grand 30 grand and Matt just told me I'm giving him another 15 and I'm like I don't know dude hold off make sure these first couple deals go through

what are you giving them more money for right So I opened up his, and I figured, hey, I'm a little sketchy myself. I'll glue it back together, make it look good like it wasn't open. Yeah, or it didn't show up. Yeah. You're missing, yeah, I have a couple things not show up here too. Yeah, mom and dad's credit card when you're a kid.

Oh, that's my statement. That goes bye-bye, right? Yeah, kids don't do that. So I looked, he got the money from Matt. it didn't go to the bank it would withdraw withdraw withdraw right

but I didn't say anything to him because I thought how would I know maybe he and the vice president of the bank or put one over on Matt yeah he's partners in the deal but they're pocketing their pocket profits up front right so you don't exactly

I don't exactly how they made the arrangement but I kind of know and I remember we're in August and we started getting some really bad rainstorms and there were some hurricanes in 2005. There was Charlie,

there was Katrina and Wilma later on and my grandma wasn't staying in her place in Lighthouse Point and I remember Dave called, I was staying up there I would spend a lot of nights up there because I started seeing this chick

and it was kind of to get away from him I kind of had my fill with him. Now, I'll be the first to tell you, he's an amazing dude to hang out with. He's a lot of fun. He's very charismatic, and that's why people like him. My buddy at AB and Amro that taught me the mortgage business, Kevin Goodnow, thought, that guy's shady. There's something about him I don't like, and he's the only person in the whole office that thought Dave was shady. What's weird was Dave would say, I don't like that guy, Kevin. I was like, Kevin's taught me the mortgage business better than anybody.

And Kevin ended up getting hired on full time. That's what I'm trying to do. So, anyway, that storm Dave asked if he could come stay with, you know, because he wanted to get rained on in her place because there was a hole. I forgot to tell you about the house. The one we live in. Right. Dave says he owns it.

The, he said, you'll see the landlords show up, but he's got to deal with. me and he showed me the documents he's buying it the landlord's going to get rid of the wife and he had told a bunch of people that the land he's going to leave his wife okay and he's going to sell the place the rental property so he doesn't own it so he doesn't own but he told me that he owned it right he said you might see the landlord right come by and do some maintenance but it's all a show because he's going to leave his wife soon and I was too stupid to not figure out that that was just a garbage story. Okay, then you don't own it.

You're just leasing it. Well, exactly. I don't understand what. Exactly. Okay. And, you know, if Travis was here, they might be able to say, I don't remember the exact story.

He was basically, the landlord was selling it out behind the wife's back, basically. So he was going to buy it up. He had plans as like a lease with an option to buy or something. A lease with an option, something like that. So, and I remember, It was kind of weird when he stayed with me that night up in Leighouse Point.

But, you know, just because I think he knows that I got into his bank statement. Okay. But he's not going to approach me on it. And I was wondering if he's going to say something to me, I have no problem talking about it. Right. Because I would just said, oh, yeah, dude, I'm sorry. I opened it up. I didn't, you know, I don't look at anything.

I just ripped it, you know. That was going to be my answer. Right. So, and I mentioned. Kevin, Kevin caught me, taught me everything about the mortgage business. When he got hired full time, he sat next to Travis and Avalina. Now, as I mentioned earlier, Dave introduced Travis and Avalina. They used to have another girl.

I think her name was Rachel, that the four of them would hang out. Unfortunately, she committed suicide. And this is a true story because there's a plaque dedicated to her down at the beach. Okay. And so those three of them would go to the bar on her birth. day and and talk and I wasn't invited and I remember

thinking dang man you guys can leave me home but Dave said we're going to talk about Rachel and so really what they were talking about was hey when were we going to get our money back but Dave used dad as an excuse

but so and this was the kind of the final nail and the coffin as far as what I was seeing with this guy. Now, you got to remember, this guy walked in everybody,

hey, Dave, people love this dude. Right. At lunch, if you go out, he's picking up the tab. With Jennifer's money or with Tom's money.

Yeah, exactly. With Bill's money. Exactly. You could be a big shot. I was a big shot with the bank's money. Absolutely. I'd love to,

that sounds like a lot of fun. That'd be fun to have, be large and in charge. So, he said I remember I got a first mortgage got a call in it's a first now what I'll do Matt is I'll do the whole

application and then I'll be like who wants to get a nice commission so I'm going to give it to Kevin my buddy Kevin good now taught me everything about the mortgage business Kevin sits right next to Travis and Kevin's like dude I got I can't I got two I'm closing two deals at once.

Right. Travis. When I first, it's closed. You just got to, you know, he's like, oh,

good. That night, Dave says to me, Travis really doesn't like you, dude, and be careful. Don't be flirting with Avalina. He's really jealous.

And I'm many things, Matt. I don't flirt with other dudes, wives, girlfriends. That's not my thing. Right. I went to a really small high school.

and I was a hopeless romantic and I'd think this girl's cute and then I heard Johnny talking about how he made out of her last week and I was just like, ugh, instantly. So they didn't quit making girls. There's plenty of them out there. Right.

And Evelyn wasn't my type. I never flirted with her. That's just, and Dave's like, oh yeah. Well, Dave doesn't want me talking to certain people in the office. Right. The other people that have invested with them, buying antiques for them. Yeah, that's what I would later figure out.

And then he was like, I don't know what you did to pick piss off Tommy, but boy, you know, I was like, dude, he can't take a joke. I made it, but that's another guy needs to keep me away from. Right. So there was some of the things there, but, you know, in the back of your mind, doesn't make sense. Right.

And your conscience is telling you that, you know, that's garbage. So I'm going to join my buddy, Billy and Kurt. We're going to go to the Jersey Shore for Labor Day. All right. And like I said, I've kind of spent time away. They haven't made me full time. Even though I'm either first or second in second mortgages or home equity lines of credit, I'm really doing well at the company there before.

whatever reason I've not been offered a full-time position. So I'm just going to take Friday off and they'll be gone Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. And I get up to Jersey Shore and I remember I talked to Dave on the phone. And I said, yeah, we're going to Atlantic City. He's like, let me send you some money. I'm like, if you're going to offer me money and I like to gamble, it's like, yeah, send me 500 bucks and said, let me know if you need more. Don't. Don't tell Carol. Right. And I was like, okay, all right, dude.

I was like, did you make a big story? He's like, yeah, I, I hit the superfect at the, you know, he made up some story. So, hey, sent me 500 bucks. And I were thinking, man, I should have asked him for another 500 after, you know, that's that and done. So had a great weekend in Atlantic City with the Wildwood, just kind of. it was a met some really cute girl from West Jester. Then I kind of lost her in the crowd as the bars closed.

Like they take the drinks out of your hand at 2 a.m. And I couldn't find her. And so I remember we went and saw the hangover that weekend. Just a really great weekend with my college buddies. And I'm thinking, that was great. So I fly back home. And I remember I was driving down from my, parents' house and I can either go right to work or I can go to the house first and I thought

I'll just go to the house first maybe change the shirt you know and I get there and you just have that feeling when you open the door something's different oh davis packed up all his stuff and left and there were betting slips all over the floor because in those days just So, you know, now a day, you don't need to keep your gambling slip, your bet stubbs. And they track everything through player cards or online, you know, because if you cash over the IRS limit, you might have to pay taxes on it. Right. So Dave had serious IRS troubles I would later find.

I'd find these notes from the IRS. So he was, I mean, he had hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of betting slips. And he's gone. and on my bed was a note and on the kitchen counter there was a note for Travis and Avalina and I thought great

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And the only way you're going to find out more is by clicking on the link, booking your free consultation today. All right, guys, see you soon at the end of the video. Peace. I'm out of here. Back to you, Matt. Before I went on that vacation, Dave kind of said it all out there for me. He said, listen, as you know, my brother has an antique and stamp business. he said the government

you know people are doing more and more email so their stamp business is really going down so they sell all these odd lot stamps at a discount what do you mean their stamp when you say stamp business I thought you meant like antique stamps or specialty he's saying that the government

has so much you know they print so many stamps but they can't sell them all okay and then some of them you know they sell them in lots and you'd get seven off a roll here and and through the years they just pile up so you know if you're gonna buy it so you can buy stamps at a massive at a massive you know bulk but you've got to take two cents stamps and three cents you got to take whatever they give you but you're going to get it at a massive discount and he had said that he and his brother they've done this before and it takes a little while to get your money back, but companies will buy those stamps from you because you're going to sell it

at a discount to them. And he said, you know, my brother's in with, you know, he's been buying so many stamps from the government. He's got inroads there. He said, you know, you've got some friends that have some money. That's a great way to make 30% on your money. He said, and he was, you know, my brother and I take a small fee and obviously we've got to make it good for the corporations or are they just going to buy it from the government. So we got to offer them a discount but there's a nice spread there for a nice profit and he pitched me that before i went on vacation and i was like well show me the deal show me how it's done and then if you show me the you know i got to see some things right before i'm going to go talk to one of my ballplayer buddies

or somebody i know i'm not just going to take right your word for it and i think he was probably heartbroken that you didn't that I didn't bite on that hand over 20 grand yeah to invest in stamps I think he was looking like

I think he was looking for like a hundred grand because in the little note he left me said I was hoping you'd end up being my partner a partner doesn't sound like that

that's it yeah and he said you know so you said you said you still at that point you were like this is just before you went on vacation and you were like

it sounds great sounds like an interesting idea and the way and the way he sold it is listen the government has made so many stamps and so many people use email now they're never going to be able to sell all these stamps and they're still printing them you know you got the forever stamps and then you got seven cents stamps 15 percent they're such a backlog they've got warehouses full of stamps and it's we have companies that'll buy them but you know they might have to piece them together. But if we can buy them for 40, 50, 60 cents in the dollar, then go to the, you know, IBM or somebody that still sends out mail, you know, and packages it up for them. Hey, yeah, they can buy it at a discount. So it makes sense. So the deal made.

But I hear, I hear you. Yeah. I hear you. Again, when he told me that, I'm not thinking anything, but he wants me to talk to people that I'm just not going to go. And, you know, You remember, I'm not going to ruin your credibility. I'm a former stockbroker. I never asked Paul one time to manage his money. Right. And that's what I do. Right.

And when I say manages money, I would talk about putting his money in a Schwab where he could see it online. And he would just pay me quarterly because that's what I did at a company, Atlanta Capital Management. That's, I brought all my assets to them and they paid me quarterly. And I hadn't even pitched him on that. Right. So if I'm not, because I'm more about friendship. than worrying about getting your business. Right.

And I think that was kind of, so that's why I say, I wondered, did he want me to fail at work? So I'm, you know, I owe him because I'm living in his house and he's paying the rent.

I don't have to pay rent. Right. Was it always that you were always kind of, he was always being set up for. Yeah. And he wrote in this note to me that I was hoping you'd be my partner and I tried to get you.

So you opened the, letter. So you got back, you got the letter, you opened up the letter. I'm like, wow, this dude's gone. You know, I was just kind of shocked. Right. And understand, he'd lived there for six years. Right. This wasn't just some short con and all of a sudden he's gone. He had made friendships with people at work and people around the neighborhood that he had to pick up and leave on. And I know that he didn't want to leave. And he probably, you know, he didn't want to con these people out of money. But his desire for gambling money, I guess, was so much stronger.

He, you know, pulled off a con here and there. And I think he just probably worked himself in a big hole. Then he came up with these other business ideas. Now, you've got people that had given him money. Well, anyways, we'll get that. I drive to work and I've got to tell Travis and Avalina

because Dave left me a note What did the letter say to you? What did your letter say? It's basically said I'm sorry but I got to take off I was hoping you'd be my partner but I don't own the house

that was B.S. Okay. I didn't have a fiancé that died. I got in the same problems in Ohio And I just can't keep myself out of trouble You're a good dude Basically

I'm sorry about Matt's money You know Basically My bad My bad Oh shit And I'm like And it was just

You know I'm just And we're currently We're currently being evicted on. You might want to find someplace else to live. He's like, I'm sorry to do this to you, but I didn't pay September rent. So I'm like, oh, great. Just moving sucks in and of itself, but that was at least my concerns. But I still don't know how much that he said,

but they left the note for Travis and Avaline and I gave it to them and I heard screaming around the corner. Now, I'm at work. I'm sitting at my desk. Travis is down there Kevin's down there And they're screaming They're yelling and

But there's other people yelling Oh okay So now it's spreading And it's spreading Right And then the management calls me Into an office And I pull out my letter

And I was like This is what he left me And I'm I gave that letter up I think I made a copy of it And sent it to Matt Because I got to call my college roommate Who by the way

Tells me oh I did send that other 15 grand to him. That's 45, right. $45,000 I've given Dave. And what kills me is, dude, where's that $45,000? You're right. Did you gamble that all?

Yeah. I was sitting next to you the whole time. It sure didn't look like it. So. I was going to say, the other thing is, you know, you're like, oh, he didn't want to up and leave, but you're also thinking that he has the same emotional attachments to other people that you do. Yes. Yes. You know, like there's, yeah. You don't, you don't know that he, he made. Maybe it may have been like, who get to start over. On the road, baby.

It may have been a, yeah. I'm thinking that he probably had 20 grand on him when he left. Okay. Or 30, because he wanted to send me another 500 bucks. If he's hurting for cash, he's not going to. Yeah, why are you? Why are you sending me money? Right.

You know? Because Lord knows he could, I wasn't going in on that stamp deal. And I made that, he made a pretty hard pitch at me. And I was like, just show me how it's done. So I can go to other people. Show me where you're buying it. Show me what you're going to take anything. I didn't do any cold calling when I was a stockbroker.

You know why? Because I hang up on cold callers. Right. They annoy me. So you can go, I'm Dave Will Howard, J.T. Marlon. You've got to get a, boom. I do, I got to have a relationship with you. I truly believe people do business with who they like.

That's why Dave Sprayle was able to get abscond. all that money because people liked him. You know what? So you know what's so funny is that when I was in Tampa and on the run and I was flipping properties and people saw, you know, I'm always paying for everything, I'm always, you know, how many people would come to me and say, hey, listen, I could, you know, if I gave you 20 grand like like could i you know what what could i get back and i would be like yeah you know and this is the thing like you know it was like like one i'm not going to rip you off but two i know

that everything i'm doing is illegal right and i don't want to have wires from you coming to me and then the other thing was it was like okay it's not worth it you lend me for you to lend me money for one thing i'm borrowing money very inexpensively from the bank right i have plenty of money like you're 20 grand if i've got 300 000 in the bank and i've got you're 20 grand if i've got you're 20 grand, like what am I getting really in the grand scheme of things. I'm borrowing money at 6% 5%. Yeah. I don't, like what are you going to get? You're just one more phone call headache that I got to worry about. Right. Like like you're 20 grand. I can just pull 20 grand out of my own bank account and it costs me nothing. You're saying if I give you 20, would you give me back 2,200 or 20,000

and give me plus 2,000? Like no. Yeah. I tell you what, you're a better man than me. But people are constantly offering me money. Yeah. And it's like it's crazy. It's like this is this is, this is not and I think that's the same thing your buddy realized I'm paying for everything I look like I'm doing well everybody likes me everybody trusts me mm-hmm they're gonna offer me money and if I come to them and ask them for money they're gonna give me the money oh yeah and you know he created the fear of loss you know like and if you don't have it don't matter but I got to get it by my Monday you know and right and you know you always had cash on them you know I I had a buddy in prison who said remember he said people are more concerned about losing out on a good deal

than they are at at protecting their their their money yeah they don't what they don't want they don't want to have a hundred thousand dollars and find out that they could have lent it to you and made 150 than to keep their 100,000 even though it's a risk they're more willing to risk it then protect it and he was like and that was the big thing was he played up on that you know I've got this guy invested

this guy invested this guy invested I've got one more spot but I'm talking to somebody else and they'll do it it's like they're not asking me any questions they don't have any proof they don't have anything they just don't want somebody else

to get their investment when we did my family's business we did club sales public or quasi private golf country clubs would turn private, and it was deposit membership, so when you resign your membership, you get all your money back, it's a liability, not a credit for the club. My dad came up with it. It was a great program. Some country clubs, you join pay $100,000, you leave, you get $20,000,

if that, if you're lucky. So it was a deposit membership, but they would have price increases, and people would be waiting there and be like, hey, July 1st, the price goes from $25,000 to $30,000,000, and most these people are really wealthy and they're like I don't know like that's fine but if you want to play golf at the club it's 30 it's gonna be 35,000 it's 25 right now right to fear of loss is big thing and I love what you said in your other video you make that sales pitch and you shut up all right my dad told me the same thing your dad said yeah next talk your spot speaks loses yeah you'll talk yourself out of a deal you'll say oh and we had a problem with guys that would keep talking like,

dude, you've already struggled them on it. Shut up. So, anyway. It's screaming at the office. Screaming at the office. And people kept coming up.

Did Dave Thrill really leave? And I'm just sitting at my deck. I'm like trying to do the second mortgage. Like, yeah, give me 10 minutes. I don't know. I'll tell you all about it. And then the vice president comes over and said, Dave, you know me from Adam.

Can I have a word with you? Do you know what happened to my $100,000? Oh my God! What's crazy was how... Did it keep getting worse and worse? How Dave sold me on the sell to Matt was he was doing what was called Six Sigma, it was some type of club.

I'd never heard of it. But I would see him sit down with the vice presidents of the bank. Now, I shouldn't say the bank, the mortgage company. But this was the major call center for, you know, a Dutch base. company that owns LaSalle Bank and some of the other banks in the United States. So it's a pretty big deal. It's like the fourth or fifth largest bank in the world. And he's, I would see Dave have meetings with these vice presidents.

So I knew, you know, he was kind of a big wig, maybe not at work, but reputation wise. So it didn't shock me that he would talk to maybe a vice president and say, hey, let's sell some of these foreclosures. Right. Hey, greed is what runs society. Even if it wasn't on the up and up, that didn't bother me about that deal with my friend Matt. Right. You know what I'm saying?

What I really didn't, you know, I'm thinking, well, they can sell for it. It's their properties. And if the guy's the head of the real estate division or has control of that, why can't they sell something? Obviously, it was a scam, but it was on A.B. and Amroll letterhead. Right. And my friend Matt was able to get his money back, but not the people in the office. Travis and Avelina What'd they lose?

Lost $35,000 to Dave. Now, what Dave would do, and if you go on Dave strails.com, there's what's called a, he would write a Kognovic note. I've never heard the term Kognovic. Okay. But I think psychologically nobody else had. Instead of saying, this is a made-up word?

I, oh, Matt Cox, $35,000. But a Kovic note. it kind of made it more official. You know what I'm saying? It's Latin. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to fuck you out of your money. I mean.

You're, yeah, hold on to your wallet. And so, and there is a guy that lost five, another guy lost two. And there, some people were like, I had a girl tell me, I loaned him $2,000 last month, said, he pitched me on some stamp deal. My husband, I said, no, I'm not even going to say anything because. there were people that really lost a lot of money. So in the note that he leaves to Travis and Avalina, in the end,

like what do you think he got the office in general for? Over $300,000, close to $400,000. Whoa. Just people in that office. Okay. And in the note he leaves to Avalina, he's like, you have the ring that I gave to my fake-ass fiancé. Cut the shit, bro.

And you know what bothers me is he's writing this. He's thinking that people are going to miss him. They want their money. Right. But he's still in his mind. He's sentimental. He's writing a goodbye note. And you can read it on dave'srail.com.

It's called letters section. And he's like, I'm going to New York. He said, I'd commit suicide, but in my health life insurance policy, it's not covered. Like he feels so bad about what he's done So you guys could get your money back But do it anyway Let's try I'm willing to risk it

Yeah Let's let's make it look fishy Yeah Let's make it look fishy We'll just throw a gun button And then put someone else's prints on it Yeah well you But we'll make it look like a hit and run

Yeah go out in the road Yeah sure I'll run you over with the car Right Let's get that money Yeah let's do the right thing By vehicle Do the right thing

Okay careless driving just 50 miles right over the embankment right it'll be a hit and run it's accidental death your insurance problem will be whole and we'll thank you for that yes yes so it's just just people helping people it's just the right thing to do absolutely do the right thing Dave off yourself so in his note he kind of list in there you know sorry I did this to you because but your heart picked the right friends, don't let this incident think that, you know, if I, these people had to be going, I was friends with this guy for five years. The lady puts a picture of him in there saying, this man was in my house last Thanksgiving. So Avelina's mother makes a whole

website, Dave Srail, the con man. And you, and I remember my friend Matt was, did you tell her you're coming on here? I'm sorry. I told Kevin. I don't know Avalina's phone number, but I told my friend Kevin we got to put the website in the description oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay and and so they put the website out because they're pissed yeah they want the sucker caught because they went to the police and the police said oh it's civil yeah and that really bothers me it bothers me because i've heard that many times because it's it's fraud like it's not civil And think about this, Matt. I would call Ken Srail, Dave's brother, just to get some background, and he would tell

me that, yeah, it was an insurance company, I think it was State Farm, I'm not positive. He did the same thing seven or eight years earlier. That's why he had to leave Cleveland, and his mom and dad paid his debts to make people whole. And so he left with this tail between his legs and went to Florida and start over. And start over. And he ends up doing the same thing. thing and Ken said you know what's funny is Avalina would end up calling getting the number for Ken's but Dave happened to walk by and Ken said yeah tell Dave I said hi and she I guess she was

embarrassed because she was because she wanted to find out where her money was so she's going to call the brother because Dave acts like Ken's in on yeah yeah and he said yeah tell Dave to call me and so Ken said yeah I was wondering if he was up to his old tricks because I was getting weird emails to my website. But what Dave ended up doing was copying Ken on emails, but making up his own Ken Srail that he could, you know, anybody can start a new. Right, right.

My brother's Ken Srail 11 at Yahoo.com, and that comes to me. I set the email up. And so that's what he was doing them. These people were pissed. So I don't understand. There was no brother? There was a brother.

there was the brother didn't know anything about what Dave was doing okay the brother yeah I didn't I assume I assumed the brother missed that his brother's done this all over again and hurt more people and so I end up talking to Ken's super nice guy and I you know I'm like I just live with his brother I was like your brother's a good guy if he just put his tent he's like my brother's the smart guy he just can't help him just he's just a scumbag he just can't get over that and you guys got to figure they didn't give the stamp deal is what he I think he sold all the people in the office on that didn't happen two years ago that was recent so he was actually doing good but something happened along the way where he started getting in more debt I don't understand

you're saying what stamp deal so there is no stamp deal that's not a real thing but the con was real what I'm saying is he'd been at that office for five years so he just recently got himself into trouble so you don't think it was set up for five years that's why i think this guy he said let this guy's got some rich friends that maybe he can help me because i'll rip these people off so i can make the people at workhole right you know and it's important that i keep him in the dark about what's happening with all these other people he's thinking he's going to gamble his way out of it he's going to okay because like i said that one day when he missed that pick six he just was devastated and i've seen him everybody loses photo finishes but

he was devastated because he's i mean because i imagine he probably told him hey it's going to take three four months to unload all the money but after three four months they were like where's our money dude we give you the money back in december last year well it's hard to move antiques yeah you know or you know or stamps you know we're trying to get the companies we got to get all the stamps we got to get them lotted together and you know it's a but i think he ran out of excuses but here's Another thing that bothers me about the whole civil and criminal. These people were dealing with somebody at a bank, the fifth largest bank in the world. You thought they did a background check on them.

Right. On their own employees. Well, are you saying he had been locked up before or he'd had, well, it was written, I think it was in the paper about his shenanigans in Ohio. Okay. So I don't know if he'd been arrested or not, but I'll call people. previous employers? Well, I mean, maybe, maybe they just did a criminal background check. Nothing came up. They're good. Okay. Keep going. Okay. That makes sense, but. And it's not hard

to fake a resume, you know. Yeah. So who knows? That's true. And let's face it, they're not paying you anything and it's a part-time, like they let you work your way up. Right, right. So, Srail ends up going to Texas. And the following spring, Paul, my buddy baseball player, lives in San Antonio, and he calls me and says, hey, you're not going to believe this. Does that guy, that guy, Dave, that you live with, does he bring a big bag of pens to the track with him and wear a bandana? He said, yeah, he's like, he's sitting three feet away from me. So Paul goes to talk to him, Dave says, I'll be right back.

Paul said, he went to the bathroom and ran out of the racetrack. Paul's like, dude, I'm not going to turn him in. I just wanted to talk to him. Yeah. you know so that website ends up going up and someone finds out Dave's real name apparently he'd been using fake names he was doing

fake names once he took off yeah I think so his real name is Dave Shrell Dave Shrail but he was giving fake names and he was also signing up for like Big Pharma has all these tests I thought, uh, what, what am I looking for? They're looking for volunteers on a blood, uh, uh, right to take Medicaid. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? They pay you this much. Exactly. And he's taking, so he was doing, he's got, he's got five of them going. All kinds of capable of fucking blood. What I went through is, is when we went to this room, we, we, we, he'd done them before. And, you know, and Travis and Avalina would later come to the house. Well, I kind of blown it.

If you read the end of the letter, he left Travis and Avalina. Right. After he BS is about, you know, the suicide. Poor, poor me. Poor me. But I'm going to use my talent for good and trust your hard, Avalina. You didn't do bad picking friends in me. And you found a great man in Travis.

And at the very end there, and he said, oh, and as far as David, I just don't have the words. and what he means is that guy David and his mom that he stole $300,000 from that was their life savings he couldn't leave him a letter which one was David there was another guy in the office oh okay I didn't know about it either until I read the letter 300,000 dollars he stole from a guy and his mom I went outside the office he was sobbing in his car Dave was Dave was this guy David's got to go call him and tell his mom that all our money is gone wow no we can't arrest a guy for screwing because here's my

if i if i went into the bank and i lied to the bank and they gave me money and i'd never paid him up back that's fraud right so because you're so because you're not a licensed organization because he borrowed money from somebody they're saying oh that's that's civil puts it on this note saying i'm just the money from you writes a note saying I'm a con man what's the and admits to it well what is the difference between me borrowing 300,000 from make of America and then writing them a note saying hey my bad I just took your money go fuck yourself it's the same thing I still have a promissory note so if we screw banks you go to prison but if we screw the individuals go fuck it's it's go fuck

yourself go find a lawyer now lucky for my buddy Matt I found a great attorney down in Miami that's a friend of the family and he got mad all his money back for how we sued abian amro okay because their let it was on their letter had it was their employees he presented it right he sent their appraisals he yeah yeah but descriptions but what about the other guy 300,000 Dave nothing they didn't get any money you told me you got his money I'm I was thinking about day yeah I feel it's terrible that's why I'm sitting here because there's a big injustice this. The people that on your venture, I don't think, what's, when it's all said and done, the banks, they have insurance policies against fraud. Right. Or at least they've built it into

their business model. The business model. Absolutely. Like they, there are a certain percentage of interest rates and everything else goes just towards you. You said there was one guy that was really mad at you and, and I had, so I actually have like four victims. Um, and that, but the total I owe all victims is about 30 grand. And I didn't take the money. Like, you've got a doctor that paid like $11,000 or $12,000 to an attorney, to an attorney. They all paid for attorneys, by the way. The same thing, CPA, paid for an attorney.

Same thing as a lawyer that lent money. He was a hard money, hard money lender. He also paid a lawyer. He paid like $25,500. Like, you know, and then there was like one other person. It was the same thing. They paid like $2,500, $3,000. The most was the doctor that lost money.

And yeah, he was so furious. that he couldn't be he was like oh that he couldn't even come to because they wanted him to get up and say because he lost the most money he'd had to hire an attorney I this did he lose his life saving no no he lost but that's my point yeah and he's that mad I know but you know some guys are oh of course they don't like to get over on right but it's just how do we allow this to happen even if they don't lock trail up and say we're going to garnish your wages to pay these people are right at least something coming in so they get some money back yeah $500 a month they're getting something but nothing it's just and the thing is if they grabbed him like how

hard of a case is that to even make once you grab him you say here's here it is yeah we're charging you with this you get on probation you're gonna start making payments that's it like that's not a hard that's what that's my thought exactly so he goes to texas a guy reads dave'srail dot com and apparently Dave had a knife on him and the guy confronted Dave now Dave not a fighter but he would pull the knife out like get away from me that's the only reason he did 30 days in jails because he pulled out a knife pulled a knife the guy called the cops yeah Dave was gone found a new company the the guy talked to a detective the detective found the website dave'srael.com they arrested Israel right before he was going to get on an airplane going to do

he was working for some company that they used to fly off site in Texas but he only did like 30 or 60 days in jail. That's it. He goes to Evansville, Indiana, he screws a lady out of a couple thousand dollars. He's repeated this. So in my mind, if we could say this guy's a scam artist, he's a perfect con man. Con's short for confidence. You gain confidence in him. He is a con man. Right. And if you say he did it in Ohio, he did it in Florida, he did it in Texas, he did it in Indiana I mean you've got a pattern from the 90s

up to 2015 he's just screwing people it just hasn't stopped it was what's funny to me is that like he's getting these jobs at these financial institutions or these institutions where you have access to people's

that's my point right like you would think they would do a little extra like he's got social security member you know yeah you check Check, does he have a criminal record? But you've got to be really careful. You've got people's social security numbers.

You've got everything's there. Listen, when you're talking to somebody on the phone and you're getting there. Especially back then. Back then, they're giving it all to you right of the phone. Matt, I would talk about second mortgage with people. And I'm like, you're going to have to give me your social so I can do your credit. Boom. People don't like giving social security to the strangers over and I don't blame them.

Right. But they give it to you. They give it to you. Well, I was going to say the thing is that I would get on the phone. somebody and ask them all kinds like so once they start telling you stuff right you get them in the pop they're all in like you know at once they date of birth social security number where were you born what's what state and county were you born like your mother's made name like you're asking them questions like there's no reason for me to ask you some of some of these questions i was

wondering how you did that how do you get on a maiden name yeah yeah oh i would have a password just in case uh absolutely what your mom's maiden name yeah okay oh it's that's ins such okay thank you it's like oh are you serious like i would like you could have made something up give me your dog's name you know anything but they give that and then listen i would keep i never had anybody who would stop halfway through like as soon as they give me their social security number you ticked in the door now you're in the house right they're giving you everything so the ironic thing is about three years later i started getting notices from the irs that i owed back taxes and I thought that's strange maybe I hit a $2,000 ticket to the racetrack that I didn't

claim on oh no someone said I made $270,000 a year was got 70 grand in taxes he used for social security someone used my social security who could that be I thought maybe it was Dave's rail okay was it it wasn't but there were they let go of me at the bank because they felt like I was a distraction at work. Even though I was doing a great job and I wasn't full time, I was still a temp. They never brought me over and people were coming up to me. I don't blame them. And to be honest with you, I didn't want to live that far south.

You know, it'd be like you going down to Sarasota. It's just too far of a drive, you know, it was too far. And my friends were all in West Palm Beach and Hollywood, that's a good hour and 15 minutes. drive. So, but I was still pissed that they, they, they gave me my walking papers because I was the top, you know, I was writing a lot of second mortgages, but yeah, people would come up to me. Have you heard anything from Dave? I'm like, listen, you guys know them more than I do. Yeah, you let them money. Yeah. You let them money. I didn't know well enough to lend them any money. But, but, you know, like I said earlier, I was, I'm thinking that maybe he was just hoping that

I wouldn't work out, and I'd be so beholden to him because he was paying for all my meals and food that I would call my rich friends to get him in on the scam. So what happened? Where do you go? Like, have you heard from, where is he now? So according to the website, he's fishing up in Alaska right now. As a, as a commercial fisherman? Like a deck hand?

Yeah, something like that. Like Alaska sea, what are the crabbers? Deadliest catch. Yeah. And let me tell you something. I grew up on boats. I love fishing, but A, it's way too cold. Yeah. It's bitter cold up there. And that is a rough job because they treat you like shit if you're brand new going out on those boats. I was going to say, you borrow money from those guys. You're done. Yeah. You get keel hauled if you do that. Tell me again about those antiques. But if you've noticed, if you know anything about deadliest catch, a lot of them. get picked up for drugs and fraud stuff but they can go there to make quick money i was maybe that's what he's doing yeah dave's stockpiling money to pay everybody back yeah i was hoping you're giving him credit yeah i was hoping you know what i hope the guy hits for a million dollars and sends that

guy david i bet you if he hit for fucking 10 million he ain't paying those people shit i agree i agree and they're never seen a dime i was telling colby it's sad because he's such a fun guy to hang out with. There's just some people. They have that magnetic personality. I know a guy named me laugh. I know a guy named Red Bull loved hanging out with him. I wouldn't lend him a dime. I wouldn't, I'd never bought him anything that I didn't expect to absolutely not get it back. Yeah, it's like some guys I went to college with. They were great to hang out with, but you wouldn't let your sister date him. You, who. Right. That's exactly. Yeah, I, I, I, that's insane. I knew.

So I'm going to, I think, did I, have I ever told you about Jim Keegan? All right. So I'm going to tell you a story right now, because this reminded me of Jim Keegan. Jim Keegan's a guy that I met in federal prison. Jim Keegan was in federal prison for, for like he had embezzled some client money. right so it was like wire fraud no big deal small he got a minor sentence maybe three years

maybe four years and so he'd embezzled some money and admittedly he said he did do it he was you know drinking and gambling whatever the reason was he's like and he had already paid the money back but he the prosecutors they hated him because he was a lawyer

he was a lawyer and he fought state criminal cases and he'd won at trial so many times that they that when they got him, they went to the U.S. attorney, and when they actually found this out about the misappropriative funds in his law office, they just hammered him. They just wouldn't take a deal. I'm trying to give him 15 years because he'd beat the state so many times he used to represent drug dealers and gang members, and he'd gotten them off on murder charges. And so they

just, they wanted him gone. So anything, even commingling funds, anything that you can get, they're going to get him. Anything. And so he ends up in federal prison. And he was like, yeah, I'm going to get out. and I'm going to go to work for my brother. His brother was a lawyer. He's like, I'm going to go to work for my brother. And I was like, oh, are you doing any legal work here? He's like, no, I don't do any legal work here. I don't want to do any legal work at all for anybody.

And he'd come from another prison, by the way. So another, he'd be a low-to-low transfer because he said I want to be in Florida and this and that. And people were constantly like, you were a lawyer on the street? He was like, yeah, but I did criminal law, state. I haven't done, I don't do federal. And they would come to him. And can you look at my case? Can you look at my case?

You go, well, look at it. I'll look at it. But I'm not going to, I can't do anything. So do inmates have their paperwork on them for the most part? No, no. For the most part, they don't. For the most part, they get their sentence. They just don't do anything.

All right. But some guys think they can get over. They can get something off. Get some time knocked off. They gave me an enhancement for a gun I didn't have. They gave me 10 years. So it's worth fighting. If you can get the in it's been off.

You got 15 years. 10 knocks off. You've already done two. you got five years you know you got a five year sentence plus gain time like you could be going to halfway house if you win that right enhancement right and and so kegan was like okay cool cool cool um yeah I'll take a look at it he'd go look I mean I looked at it um I talked to my brother about it he came to see me and he did have a brother who owned a law firm in Orlando and he said I talked to my brother about it like you probably have a good case my brother doesn't do we both do state uh he does more

civil than I did so yeah and so people would and he would tell people like look you know I do you can have your family look me up and they would look him up and sure enough this dude was in the paper all the fucking time Jim Keegan just won this murder trial this murder trial like you could literally there were probably eight different articles about him winning murder case I'm going for murder winning the cases now by the way winning a murder case is what you're of the easiest case. Murder is one of the hardest thing to prove. Okay.

Because of reasonable doubt, you know, you don't want to put some, you'd rather let a guilty man walk free than lock up an innocent man. Right. Like, it's not, and let's face it, a lot of times it's super circumstantial. Like, you're dead and, you know, you're dead and then you really,

it's up the prosecutor to prove that I was there, that I, like, there's no witness. It's so scary. You could literally go and pick something up, a hat that you might like, and then a,

person that's a victim buys that hat takes it home and with touch DNA now right they put you together with the guy so your DNA was found in this murder you're like no i just picked that right but let's say that that that's one of those things that he would just weird circumstantial things that just happen in life and that gets very scary there's a lot of people that have been locked up that were innocent and now DNA is proving them innocent right well that's something totally different what we're talking about is that this guy got him off on murder like he was getting off people on murder So they didn't like him.

They sent him to prison. So here's what I'm saying is that people, because he didn't want to do legal work, people are constantly coming to him, begging him to do legal work. Because they're looking at, he's a lawyer. And he's great. He's a great lawyer. And because they're looking at the newspaper, they see that he's been super successful. So his story makes sense.

People start giving him money. Like, bro, he's like, look, honestly, I can't. I mean, he's like, look, I'll do your case for you. I'm going to work. But I'm leaving here in like eight months to a year. I'll be in the halfway house and I'm going to be working at my brother's law office. You can have your family look up my brother too. They would look them up.

Sure enough, there's a law office. His brother's name is like, whatever, Bill Keegan or Tom Keegan. And they're like, oh, wow. Like, it's a pretty odd name. And so, and people would see his brother come. He would also sometimes call his brother and say, can you pull this guy's docket sheet? So think about it. I can order my docket sheet, but it's going to take me.

two weeks to get it, maybe three weeks. But he would say, give me your docket number or your criminal number. Okay. And then he'd come back two hours later and he'd have a printout where his brother pulled it. Like you're like, wow, he really works at a fucking law firm. So this is his brother.

This guy's connected. He could get research done. So he would say, look, I'll take your case. But honestly, man, it's like $3,500. I mean, I can't charge you. Well, you're in prison. Right. You know, like I can work on it.

And if I don't finish it by the time I, by the time I leave, I'll be at my brother, my brother's law office. So I'll finish it while I'm there. So guys are like going to their parents, going to their family, coming up with the $3,500. They're putting it on his books. Or he'd say, send it to my brother. They're sending it to his brother, his brother's cat, you know, personal, not to his, to the law firm, but they're sending him $1,500.

Like, hey, put $1,000 in my books. Send my brother $1,500, that's $2,500 or whatever. so he he's even though he's like no no no they're begging to give him money begging their families are coming up with the money this guy stockpiles I don't know what it was $20,000 within the last few months

he gets out of prison he goes to the halfway house nobody hears from him people start worrying he's got my legal work he's he was filing motions. My family gave him $3,500. My family gave him $2,500. My family, I bought this guy $2,000 with a commissary. I put money on this guy's books and this guy. He's got money being sent everywhere.

But he's explained that, look, it's going to, I got to get out. I got to this. People start calling his brother's law firm. His brother is like, my brother's not a lawyer. My brother's a fucking con man. What are you talking about? My brother went to jail because he was doing the books for somebody and he was embezzling money from their business and that's why he went to jail and he's been to jail before and they're like no well my family looked him up he was in the chicago tribune like no no my brother's name is jim kegan my father's name is jim kegan my father was a big time attorney yep and he's like do the math bro yeah my brother my brother's he would have been 23 years old when he tried that case he would have been 28 years

old like are you like look at the con just came to him that keep a cup of ass right like i can build these people look at the photos yeah he's like look at the photos that's my dad of course the person at the person at home looking up the person doesn't realize that you're not they don't see what jim keegan looks like like this guy would be 70 something jim keegan's 50 like you know so it's like it's like holy shit listen it was and i hate to say this but it was hilarious That is hilarious. And so what happened, and this is what's even more funny,

and this is the only reason it reminds me of what you said. Right. I had a literary agent at the time. And I remember telling the literary agent, like, holy shit, you're not going to fucking, like, I was telling him about it the whole thing, right? And so he knew about it.

So what happens is, it turns out that a lot of these people started, their family started writing letters to the bar, saying, I gave this lawyer money for his brother who was in prison and I gave him money. So his brother starts just paying people back. Because they're saying the bar is like saying, what they say is we don't get involved in legal fee disputes. Right.

But they also are writing letters to him saying you have to answer this. So he's scared. He starts cutting checks for 3,500, 2,500, 1,500, 1,500, 3,500. I even knew a guy that wrote a letter to him saying I gave your brother 1500 bucks And he cut him a check He didn't give a shit

He pays out like 20 something thousand dollars And keep in mind too Some of these people have had some motions filed So they're in the middle of a fucking legal A legal battle with the government now That they're ill equipped to even handle Yeah Well here's my question on that though

This guy even if he was a lawyer He's great to get not aren't we at the appeal process and that's a special... No, no, no, no, no. Basically, most inmates, so you get arrested, you get sentenced. You have, you basically have one year to file what's called a 2255

to say the government fucked up somehow or your lawyer didn't represent you or something. After one year, you're basically doomed. Now, if things, if there's new precedence in your case and you can get back in court somehow, you can file a motion, or you can try and get around the one-year time bar. It's called equitable tolling by making an argument.

And listen, if you don't know any better, here's the worst thing about the law is that you could file a nice guy motion. Do you know what a nice guy motion is? No. Nice guy is. Dave's a nice guy. You should let him out of jail. And you could write it in Green Crown and send it into the federal court.

And they would answer it. Like it was a legitimate thing. They'd say, you know, we are we are currently replying to the nice guy motion filed by by Dave, stating that he is a nice guy and should be let out of jail under, you know, under Johnson versus the United States. It is clear that he is time bar. And they would, they wouldn't be like, is this a joke? They would act like.

So I could not know anything. And there are guys right now in federal prison who act like their jailhouse lawyers. and they'll file motion. They'll take, give me $500. They'll file motions with you. And if you don't know anything about the law, you think. They do and they don't know shit.

And the court responds like it's a legitimate argument. So you have no clue. But put that aside. So here's the second part of that. Is that one day my literary agent comes to see me. I want to say he was in person. He might have just called me on the phone. I might have just talked to him on the phone.

I might have just talked to him on the phone. But he said, listen, Matt. He said, do you know a guy named Jim Keegan? And I said, yeah. Why? I said, remember I told you about him? And he goes, okay. He said, I thought it might be him.

He goes, listen to this. He said, I went into a bar in Orlando. I was visiting a buddy who owns a bar in Orlando. He said, I happen to be in Orlando for some other reason, because this guy was actually from, like, Clearwater or something. So my literary agent went to Orlando for. some reason goes to a visit a buddy who owns a bar goes into the bar and while he's in the bar he's sitting there talking to um he's talking to the bartender and something came up

where he ended up he ended up saying something and jim keegan was there and keegan said to him and i forget exactly how it but he ended up saying reback because the guy's last name was reback he's like reback he goes it's funny he said i got a buddy who who has a lawyer name reback and he goes that's an odd name like people that's a very you know and he said really he said who's your buddy he's a he's a he's a he's named matt cox and he goes yeah he said i'm ross reback he's mac cox is a client of mine he goes i'm not a lawyer though he said i'm a literary agent or i'm his agent he said yeah he's in prison he said how do you know him and he looked at him and you got to think that's not the expect you know he looked at him and he went oh um i had i actually

did some legal work for him and he said oh you did and he goes yeah yeah i did he said oh what's your name he said oh my name's uh he said oh it's jim he said you know what i'll get you a business card hold on a second goes to his girlfriend who because he was sitting with some woman and so ross turns to his buddy who owns the bar and says um oh you know him he goes yeah he comes in here all the time he comes in here probably two three times a week but they they live around his girlfriend she's got a bunch of money she was a very nice neighborhood right yeah she lives around here. They come in all the time. He said, well, he walked outside. He said about a minute later, the girl gets up and walks outside. And he said, five minutes go by, 10 minutes go by, 15. He walked

outside. He's like, the guy that they pulled up in like a Mercedes, it's gone. And he turns around and he goes, what's that guy's name? He goes, he said Jim. What's his name? And he goes, well, he paid with his credit card. Hold on. He pulls out his slip. And he goes, Jim Keegan or you know Jim Keegan and he's like okay cool yeah and so he so then when I talked to Ross Ross said do you know a guy named Jim Keegan and I was like yeah this is the guy he was like fuck I knew it was the guy I knew it yeah he said this is what happened and he tells me the whole thing and I was like holy shit and I said yeah bro you're you're never going to see him again he said I know I'm not he said that had been weeks and weeks he said my buddy

said he came in three times a week at least sure he said it'd been two weeks he'd never come back in you know it's funny it bolted is Paul heard that after he left to go to spring training Srail showed up at Rotama racetrack but he didn't want no Loduka around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He told you bolted. Yeah, so.

But what I was going to say is Keegan, by the way, if you look it up, got he was on probation, got re-arrested because he then opened up a, he opened up a whatever, an office, a law office saying that he was filing

claims for it was an immigration lawyer taking money for immigrant he was charging $1,500 to $3,500 that's big money for immigrant to file immigration papers big money yeah and he had he borrowed something like half a million dollars in about or he got like half a million dollars in like less than less than a year and was actually here's a really funny part was giving so after a certain period of time he was actually I want to say it was more than that it actually says it in the article. I ought to pull up that article. He was actually giving out green card like the cards. He actually started making fake cards. And so guys are coming in. I gave you, I got it. Here's your card. Your card came in here. Now you're off doing your thing. So some of these guys

get caught and started a whole investigation. And that's how we got grabbed that time. Goes back to jail again. Got 10 years got out on COVID or something. He kept the same. You would think he closed his office after a while. No, no. This is another one. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's what I'm saying. You think you do it for six months or three months, and then bolt, especially when people start coming and complaining. These guys aren't that smart. They think they're smarter and everybody's an idiot. Just like your buddy.

You know, you've got this guy to live it. You're borrowing from all these people in the same office, tell them the same lie, building up money. And then you, so I'm sorry, go, but go ahead. Yeah, I had a, you know, my friend Matt, he was bogus. The appraisals were bogus. And he wanted me to pretend like he was his lawyer. And luckily I said no, because they were watching him. And then he ducked the badge.

Yeah, that's a completely different case that you're talking about. But it's another guy that thinks he's smarter. Right. Than he really is. And, you know, had he not run, he wouldn't even probably go into jail. But anyways, I don't want anybody to have pity on Dave Srail because I forgot to tell you. When we were going through his bedroom, we found some, you know, girly spank magazines. He had cut out pictures of my ex-fiance, because we all went out one night on the town.

Right. and put it in place of the the pictures on the girl's bodies and was hand-feeding it to my ex's picture. That's just weird. That's just wrong. But I mean, who would go out of their way to do?

Like, what? Just like thinking about my ex? Well, here's what I don't understand is like, you said the whole time, like, he never dated anybody. You never, like, what's, like, mentally. And you know what? He's not a bad looking guy. Yeah. Because what's weird was when he was, when he was, like, he was, like,

at work he wore his hair really long and it looked goofy because if you trim him up he presents himself he's six four right he was a big dude you know was he wearing a mullet he kind of had a dumb looking mullet there's two pictures you can see both his hair styles he would change it when he'd go someplace else that was probably the the south florida hairstyle and i'm like do you cut your hair and then he would leave stubble and whatnot you got to put his in the keywords you have to put his name. Yeah. Like to have this come up if somebody...

Yeah. How funny is that? But, you know, and then when he got arrested, his hair was trimmed, he looked good. Girls liked him. But he would play the... Yeah, it's just Jen, man. I can't get her out of my head. Listen, I was like, oh.

To me, that, that story would... That would get you laid more than anything. Of course. I mean, right? So why not play up? That's what I'm saying. If you're going to create this bullshit, like, why not take the benefit? I mean, either.

He just had no game? That's why I was wondering if he was maybe a little, he liked show tunes, Matt, you know? I was kind of like... Mentally, I wonder what's wrong with, you know? But why is he cutting pictures out of... He's my old girlfriend, and putting him in place, and...

Ugh. It was... Oh, man. All right. My mother's going to listen to it's like, I can't believe he did that. Korea So that's my story

of living with a con man for six months and seeing the whole thing unfold and unfortunately 30 days for a knife He really ruined a couple family's lives Right Who knows how much damage he's really done

Those are the things that are Extremely obvious that you've come across Who knows how many little tiny things And we later found out He did the same thing in Ohio for well over $100,000 and he just kept repeating the process

wherever he went and the government says that's a civil matter but if you steal from a bank we're going to throw you in prison. Right. I mean that's it's got my mind going you know what I'm saying it's got the gears going but yeah it just seems very unfair

listen if I did that if I clip somebody for 200,000 300,000 they would say it's fraud. Yeah You're going to prison. Of course. Because just because they're like, yeah, it's you. Yeah. I wouldn't have old Dave's luck.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you might be right, but it just doesn't make sense. It's sad. The real sad thing is even if they went and arrested the guy, they're never going to get anything. He's going to make restitution payments. Keep them out of prison. Make them work to pay it off.

Right. Yeah. Because that's what the people need is money. Don't send him in jail. Well, first of all. mentally like this there are some people that no matter what you do they're gonna they're gonna run some kind of con and me obviously he's a game he's he's addicted to gambling yes but you said he wasn't bad at it but then you said he lost hundreds of thousand dollars but that's the whole thing when

he was really a great handicapper such the fact that thistle downs hired him as they're on track handicapper and he did the TV show he showed me tapes of it this wasn't him saying I saw it with my own eyes he did a TV show thistle down's a little track in Ohio but Dave was really a good handicapper and if he set his mind to it and he manages money right you know they don't build these tracks on people winning they build people losing but there are some guys that you know if you pick your spots but Dave couldn't control himself so like when I told the story about him being at the high life fronton, he's betting Australia at 8 o'clock in the morning.

That's what he was doing. Right. If he would have just kept his gambling just to the weekends probably, maybe he wouldn't loss so much, but this guy's just got to have action. And I think that was his ultimate undoing. The sad thing was, he lived in the straight and narrow, probably four or five years, and it was that last year down here in Florida that it really got to him. an alcoholic like

yeah they're great for five years and then they have one six months they're they've lost everything yeah yeah and and the that yeah he just I think but you know

gambling such an issue and especially if you're competitive when you lose you want to get back up and go right back at it right and so you get you're more engaged more engaged Is that you?

Yeah, it must be the people showing up to fix the AC. I'm going to take it? Speaking of marriage, though. What? Trail. So if the ex-fiancee is fake and didn't have any

chicks down there, so if the ex-fiancee is fake and didn't go after any chick, apparently he and Avalina dated very briefly. Was he afraid to bring a woman into his con? I have no idea.

I dated a chick that I remember she had told me that she dated a guy. Because I remember we had gone on a few dates. This was 20 years ago. I remember we had gone on like one date or two dates. And I remember she was like, we had slept together. And she said, do you have any fetishes? And I was like, well, what do you mean? And she said, I just want to make sure that you're,

just like a normal what there's nothing weird and I was like why I was like have you dated some guys that have some weird stuff she goes yeah because I dated a guy that literally she said he had like a feet fetish and I was like are you she's like like he literally wanted me to lube up my feet and he would it's she's it was it was weird and I was like oh wow I said how long you date him she's like about six months I was six months oh my god wow you and I on match.com about at the same time. And I remember I used to go to Tampa, Orlando, meet some girls.

That Becky Howe, but I didn't run to her out. Let me tell you something. You're a better man than me. She would have been hog-tied duct tape. I would have taken more than half of the money and said, here you go, honey. I'm out of here. Yeah, that's not.

When you said, you're a good man. You left her with a bunch of money. I tell you what. She didn't last. She lasted about a year. That's a type of woman that I would date thinking, oh I feel bad for her she's bipolar and then next thing you know I'm you know what am I doing oh listen I thought it all the time she she she had me too she had me like she'd cry

they cry that's I'm a sucker for a girl that cries crying and I feel bad and