Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Joey Merlino EXPOSES Michael Franzese (THE TRUTH)

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

Joey Merlino EXPOSES Michael Franzese (THE TRUTH)

Michael Franchasey's, you're a rat. You know you're a f***ing rat. You couldn't shine my father's shoes. When you go to prison, why is everybody in Philly fucking your wife? You can hear these fake stories all you want. When you run into me, see who's running. You sent me a video. I do talk to Gene Borrello.

So, so to get him on the show, and I've spoken with him several times. And you sent me a video that Gene had put out. As I'm listening to him talk about Franzis, his pops up oh my oh this is a whole little drama going on yeah yeah and francis does not usually respond to people that say negative things about him he's i'll put it like this in the mob world if you want to call it mob tube or whatever that is on youtube you have francis and sammy they're the they're the top dogs right i can see that he does he seems like he's he would be above it. He is. And I think what really got Francis to respond this time is how Joey brought up his

father, Sonny, who is if you, you know, if anybody knows anything about, you know, the Columbo's or the bond country, Sonny was like the definition of a gangster. I forgot how many years in prison he done. I think it was over 50. He got out when he was 103. I mean, he never talked. He never read it. He never rolled on anyone. I'm telling on everybody, bro. You gave me 50. You're not making it out at 103? You're not going to... Fifteen years. I'm not down for 50.

Yeah, but I'm a stand-up guy. I don't think I'm... No. No. We got to spread some of this around. Wade can do four. Polly can do seven. I don't even like Bill.

Bill can do 20. Brett can do a few. Yeah. Brett's done some time. He's okay. I'm gonna put money on your books, bro. It's going to, you know, but my God. Yeah, he done a lot.

And the last one that he got arrested for, I don't, I don't really think he did it. There was not a lot of proof that he did it, but it was like, oh, he's done so much other stuff. What does it matter? You know, we finally got him here. But I think Joey bringing Sonny's name up was what, you know, was the caveat for Michael to respond. But he definitely doesn't respond like that to anybody. and Sammy done a thing together maybe a year or two ago. And I think

the guy from Valuetam it kind of was the mediator in that or whatever. And I think they sold it. Like you had to buy it. Yeah. They had like a little bit of a beef. Yeah. And so he got them together and then they kind of quashed it. And then they went ahead and said, hey, let's

start doing some stuff together, you know. I think a lot of this is like WWE, like a work. K-fave, they used to call it. Now this particular one we're talking about with Joey and Gene. I don't think that's the work. No.

I don't think that's the work at all. So real quick, because like I barely know what's going on. And I don't know that most of the people that watch my show know everybody that watches your show to those. But can you tell me a little bit, a little bit about each one of these guys? So Joey is from Philadelphia. I grew up in the life. Father was in life. And from a young age, like he survived.

very big war that went on over there in Philly. He did get shot as a result of that. That's the video when Gene says he got shot in the ass. Him and another friend of his was walking. They got lit up on by some other guys. Joey did get hit. His brother actually, not brother, excuse me, the guy he was walking with did die. Right.

So that's what he was referring to in that video, just to give it some context. You know, and he was able to become boss. He was boss for a long time. Allegedly. He was allegedly boss of the Philly for a long time. He did do some time, I think, all together, around 13 or 14 years. But you were, you've done time with him too, right? I had lunch and breakfast with him several times. Yeah, lunch and breakfast. And, you know, was like, I don't think I other than what's up ever really talked to him. But of course, you know, listen, like, I cooperated. like he has no he he's sitting there and i'm just listening to him and the other guys talk and i'm sitting the table and i was brought over to the table like somebody brought me said hey yeah he's

okay and sat me down and of course the guy that sat me down isn't okay like nobody was really nobody the table was okay right but um you know he's clueless um and he's sitting there you know he's really a miserable guy like he's exactly kind of how he seems on those videos he's you know sits there and everybody that walks by he's got something negative to say and something you know it's just he's just so negative that rat motherfucker piece of shit you know that he's a fucking punk he's like Jesus bro like you're miserable so but yeah he um yeah how long did you do with him um like like probably a year i think he was there when i left you know because i was on the tail end. I did a year to 18 months. So, you know, I would, he barely had any time anyway. He got like three

years or something. Right. It must have been on the last, last, uh, pinches that he had. Yeah. And, you know, he, listen, as soon as he got there, these guys had bags of commissary form, tennis shoes. It was just pathetic. Like, it was, that's what I was going to ask, like, how is it for these guys, you know, in, in prison. They got these guys that are lowered down the, you know, the ladder. Yeah. As soon as they get there, you know, you know, you need anything, Joey. You anything uh you know and it's it's like what you know what like i get it like getting somebody like hey i know this guy then giving him some shower slides and you know a little bit of stuff but they they got bags of stuff for him and they're they're running around catering to him and it's like

it just watching it just doesn't make sense even the stuff that he said in that video it's like you're a lion rat bastard no i think he was telling the truth he's He's not, I mean, he may be a rat, but he's not lying about it. It was the proof. So, you know, telling his, telling his own family not to talk to their father anymore. Like, yeah, when he talked about that guy, he said his, I was a sister or whatever called him. He's like, what do I do? You know, he passed away.

He's like, when's trash day? He's like, throw him in the fucking trash can. He's just not a sharp guy. You know, he's not, he's a brute. And he's just not that. you know he i don't know he just comes from this kind of this this that age is just not around anymore skinny joey marley and the thing is too like the guy's like five foot seven five eight he probably weighs 135 pounds i mean he's he's tiny he's not a big guy uh the pictures of

you know young he was he was always real skinny which i mean that's how a lot of those you know guys get their nickname you know bad mom skinny joey tall Tommy, whatever the fuck they call them. Yeah, they're super creative, right? Joey, he kind of, he eventually becomes supposedly the head of the mob. Yeah, there was a period of time where it was a guy named Ralph Natali. He wound up being in prison with Joey for a little while. He kind of sort of, in my mind, I think he played Ralph to make Ralph the lightning rod for Philly.

He was kind of the number two. That was when John Stan. Stampha was also around. You know, there was a huge war between them. I mean, they shot at Stamph and his son on the, on the highway and broad daylight. I mean, there were just, there were shootings everywhere. And finally, Joey wound up winning. Stanford went away.

There was a guy that wore a wire that was around Joey, too. How Joey escaped a lot of that is, I really am not 100% on, but there was a guy that wore a wire. He was a huge fucking guy. He worked for the, he was a, he was a, he was a. mob guy, I guess you could say he was a mob guy, but he wore a wire on all those guys. God, his name escapes me right now. And I'll know it as soon as we stopped talking about it. Didn't they try and kill him?

Joey? No, not Joey. The guy that wore the wire. They, I don't think they ever figured it out until it was kind of too late. But he had, Bobby Luisi talked about him. Bobby met him. And I think you've interviewed Bobby Luis in the past. Bobby met the guy.

I mean, he had tapes on everybody. Yeah, Ron Previty. John Prevety was the name. And he was around a lot of those guys. And I guess he just didn't have enough on Joey on tape to hurt him. But, you know, like I said, anyways, Natali wound up getting called. He cooperated. Everybody around are really cooperated.

John Stamford would go to prison and didn't cooperate. So I guess you could call that. He stood up and took whatever they gave him. But Joey was the head of the family for a long time. And then now, like, allegedly into a few years ago, he was still tied to it. But I think now, more or less, he's probably distanced himself from it because he had to move to Boko for a little while. I think it was he opened up a restaurant down there, Marlino's. You know, he was on Instagram a long time ago.

He was on Instagram years ago, really. That's why they called him the Instagram Don. But he's always been accessible to the people. He's always talked. He's always talked to reporters. Like he was what Goddy was in the 90s, but he was just a little bit smarter than Goddy because, and the reason why I say that is because Gotti and everything that he, as much as his name still engulfs people, you know, with Netflix and that new documentary,

Gotti's run was only just a few years, you know, very, very short time before he went down. Not largely that was due to Sammy. Joey had like a, you know, a few decade run as boss. So I put that as, you don't last that long in that business or game or whatever way of life and be a dummy. so he's no dummy whatsoever. But yeah, that's kind of the hit on him. I mean, you know, he did 13 years, I think all together. A big one was for, I want to say a robbery, armor car robbery.

And then one of the more recent ones, which is what he talks about a lot on the podcast, is he made a bet like a small bet with a guy named J.R. Rubio, I think. And he got locked up for it. He went to trial for it. It was a mistrial. They were going to do it again. And I think the only time he ever just pled guilty. and he'd done like a year

and he got out. It was the only time he had ever pled. He always took it to trial no matter what. Right. That's when I met him. Okay. Oh, for that bet? Yeah. Okay. Well, there was like he had gone to trial and he won and then he ended up taking a plea and it was

whatever it was. It was for 18 months or two year. He got like two or three years. Yeah. He ends up going, goes for like a year and change and then he goes to a halfway house. Yeah. Where was that president? Coleman. Coleman Lowe. Where is that at? It's a mile north of Tampa.

Okay. And Florida. Okay. So, you know, and as far as the dummy part, I didn't get rocket science, uh, for scientists from the guy, uh, myself. Maybe I'm wrong. You know, maybe it's that the, the Philly accent that threw me. You know, I, I, maybe that whole thuggish thing, but, you know, and you may be absolutely

right, right. Um, but he always just. And great smarts and book smarts are two different things, too. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But he just always seemed like a brute. Right. Well, I think in that life you've got to be. That's true. You can't be in that life and be around those types of people that or anybody's looking for an avenue or opportunity to maybe kill you and shake everybody's hand and be a nice guy.

Those things don't really go hand in hand. So I've never met the man, but I mean, I would think that that's probably something he developed and probably had to keep. I mean, it's just like the movie of Bronx Tale. You know, the Chas Palmetry, I'm sure you've seen Bronx Tale, right? Right. You know, he tells him. He's like, you've got to give them enough respect, you know, for him to, you know, appreciate it. But if you don't give them enough, you know, they can piss.

It's a fine line, you know. So I think that's kind of what that come from. And I mean, like I said, street smarts and book smarts to different things. Like, he made a lot of money over the years. You made a lot of money over the years. Yours. And we actually talked about in text the other day, yours is an entirely different way. Right.

So I think that's probably where that comes in from. He's got to maintain at least a presence of that. And in prison, too. I imagine you need to have that as well. You would like people to be afraid of you, I would think. I've never been. Yeah, I mean, he, you know, honestly, I watched something on him one time. And the guy that was kind of one of the guys they were interviewing said, well, you know,

the thing about Marlino is he knows how to do time. And the truth is, you know, he did. like he very quickly had a routine he went he worked out he jogged he had a whole like immediately he was engulfed in being in prison he wasn't walking around bitching and moaning and miserable he very quickly um got to a routine and i'm sure his time flew by and you know he he wasn't he didn't act miserable being there he's a miserable person like he's somebody who talks about other people a lot which is something that's that's odd but you know what this is a funny thing all those mob guys do which is weird to me they all kind of bicker about each other and

there were these two different factions when I first got there that he used to hang out together and then somebody said something to somebody and now they had two different little camps these seven guys stood to get hung out together and these five guys and it went and it was along family lines well if you watch sopranos they'd done the same thing they was sitting in the back of that strip club and they would talk shit about new york and new york would talk shit about Jersey and, you know, that's, I mean, those things, that's about as close to a real life mob show and in details, a reality show maybe as you get, allegedly, real mob guys would talk with David Chase and give him insight on how they, how they would talk, what

things they wouldn't say, vernacular, certain ways. And that's all like supposedly in Jersey, like there's a family called the DeCabble Canty family, which is supposedly who they are kind of based. on, like the area where they shot at the pork store, like a few blocks down is an actual store where the decavs hung out. And there's even, I don't know if it's like wiretap or just surveillance footage or whatever. And they're sitting there and they're talking about supremacos is, hey, these guys are supposed to be us here, these sopranos. And so, I mean, it was pretty true to form, but that's how they did it in there. They would sit in there. They would

bitch, even guys in their own crew, they would bitch about this guy or that guy when they're, you know, obviously alone. So I think a lot of that goes on. really do so what about um you know and i i've watched uh franzis um am i saying it right fran i've heard that dude's name pronounced 15 000 different ways michael franzis i think is how it's supposed to be in the movie goodfellas they mention him when they're going around the bar this is you know jimmy get the papers or what all the names that they're doing and he says michael franzhazy right which is But they changed a lot of names in Goodfellas from the real people.

Like they called Jimmy Burke, his real name in real life. They called him Jimmy Conway in the movie. His name in real life was Jimmy Burke. Tommy, I don't know what they called him in Goodfellas, but his real name was Tommy D. Simone. The only one that I think was the accurate name was Henry Hill. They tweaked everybody just a little bit. So that's probably why.

But they say Franchese and Goodfellows. That's why I've heard a lot of people call him that. but I'm pretty sure it's Francis, Michael Francis. Well, and his thing was. He was with the Columbo's, right? So his dad was Sonny Francie, so we referenced earlier that spent all the time in jail. And his claim to fame really in that world, he was a racketeer.

And he's even admitted like he wasn't necessarily what you would say, a prototypical mobster is going to be in the street with a gum, but he was a moneymaker. And he figured out a way that he would open up these shell companies, gasoline companies he would buy the gas but not pay the tax on it and and i may be not detailing it a 100% perfect but whatever it was it made a shitload of money right never they would stop giving that one business gas because they weren't paying the tax on then he would just move and open up another one and i mean it was making millions and so the mob loved him and so much

so that apparently one point in time they thought that he was stealing money and his dad even said like look, if he steal the money, do whatever you got to do. Like, he okayed him to be taken out. Right. That was how much of a gangster. His father was. Like, yeah, have you got to kill him? And I'm paraphrasing here, but that's a, right.

That was basically the consensus is if he steal it from you guys, I know what's got to be done. It is what it is. And he eventually went to jail. His story is he never cooperated on anyone from the life. Nobody went to jail from the life. He kind of finessed and swindled the government, giving up how he did things. and things of that nature. There are some people that say there are 302s that he testified against certain people

that wasn't in the life, which is that's kind of splitting hairs, however you want to, however you want to say it. But he went to jail. He done his time. He got out. After that,

he found religion. He got heavy into religion and, you know, born again, God, Christ and all that. And then a couple of years ago, he would travel speaking as well.

He would go to these places and speak and tell his story. And then he started getting into YouTube. And he's really, now he's finally starting to branch out because I tell people to this mob stuff, especially if you're telling your own story, it's got a shelf life. There's only so many huge platforms you can go on. And he's been on them all. He's been on valetainment. He's been on all the big boys. So a lot of people are familiar with it.

So at some point, you got to start doing something else to keep the viewers. And that's what he did. He started going over mob movies like the Bronx tale, Goodfellas. He started highlighting sopranos. okay, this would work because of this. This wouldn't work because of this. And his subscribers grew. I think he's over a million now.

If he's not, he's in the high 900, so he's right there at it. He's done a lot with Tyson, Mike Tyson. I'm actually going to see Francis and Tyson in New York in a couple weeks in the 25th in January. Okay. So, I mean, he's, you know, he's went above and beyond now branching the different things. And that's kind of where he's at on this. And he doesn't get into the beefs. So a lot of people say his name because they won't, you know,

a track. It's kind of like Eminem. If rappers come out and they say Eminem's name, they hope he responds because then people that listen to Eminem will say, okay, who's he talking about? And then they go discover them. Yeah. So a lot of people,

I'm sorry. Sorry. One point, he's got over 1.1 million. Okay. So he did break a million. Yeah. So he's up there.

And I've actually, I didn't even get mentioned no name, but he was talking about Ruggiano, who's a guy from Orlando that I've done a lot of stuff with. And the clip that he showed. from Ruggiano's channel was actually a clip of being him together in the studio. So I didn't get name dropped, but I was on there, a facial nerve recognition, I guess.

But yeah, I mean, he seems like a nice guy. He seems like a guy you could sit down, talk to, have a good conversation with, never met him personally. Hopefully that would change in a few weeks. But it was out of character somewhat for him to respond to Joey. Right. But allegedly, if you watch the video, Joey, Michael's people reached out to Joey for them to,

get together and which actually wasn't going to happen. Yeah, but he also, if you watch his response, the guy that reached out who for some reason Marlino was saying was his lawyer, but Franziz says, Z's, Franziz says it, am I saying it wrong in? How do you say it? You're right. Franzis says it's not his lawyer. He's a guy that worked for him for about six months, and hadn't worked for him for over six months, wasn't his lawyer and reached out to Joey Marlino on his own, didn't tell him he was going to do it. He's like he probably had good intentions, but like I didn't tell him to reach out. So, you know, he kind of cleared that out. Like there was all these little, look, out of all the guys that have class, you know,

he's, he's the guy that's got the most class that you, like you said, seems like you could sit down and have a conversation with him about pretty much anything that's not going to happen with marlino yeah and i'll tell you another thing about marlino so one of the guys that marlino used to talk to every once while right was a guy named joseph vitali yeah joseph vitali uh i wrote a story about now in joseph vitaly's story toward the end of the writing of the story Vitaly tells me that the guy that murdered his best friend basically confessed to him, not knowing, like they were in jail together,

they were in like pre-trial together. So they're in the county jail, you know, the U.S. Marshall's holder, and they're waiting to be sentenced. And the guy, so Vitaly explains that he's a former stockbroker.

And this guy goes, oh, I knew a stockbroker once. And then as they're kind of hanging out, you know, progresses, the guy tells him that he killed the guy. He admits the Vitalid. Now, when the guy told him, he knew a stockbroker. And he describes who the stockbroker is. He realizes he's talking about Vitaly's friend who overdosed. But nobody ever thought he really overdosed. Like the girl he was seeing, his feelings.

He never, you know, there was two, he had a girlfriend and he had a fiance. His fiance said, no, he was murdered. The girl said he was murdered and she said that another guy murdered him. So he knows all this. So he's telling him all this. He's like, oh, okay. And he kind of hangs out with the guy just to kind of see what happens, how it progresses. And whatever, a few days later or a week later, the guy, he ends up saying that the guy had owed a girl that he did collections for money.

and he gave him a hot shot and they robbed him of like 30 grand. 30 grand was missing. The fiancee when she comes back to the house and they find the body admits, you know, the house had been robbed. 30 grand in cash was missing. The police made some phone calls. They didn't look into it too much.

And they said, look, he died of an overdose and he was a drug addict. What do you want us to tell it? You know, they didn't look to, you know, they got a lot of murders down there in Broward.

So, you know, but Vitaly definitely thinks that this guy, he's like, oh, no, the guy told me he murdered him. So I, we contacted law enforcement and Vitaly was upset because he was like, I never told the police this because my lawyer said it doesn't look good for you to say, I know about a murderer, makes it sound like you hang out with guys that are murderers. yeah so don't mention it so he never says anything and when we were talking about it he was upset he was like i i didn't want like cooperation i don't want to get i didn't want to get out of prison i didn't want anything but i want this guy prosecuted he murdered my friend like that's what a normal person does that's how a normal person behaves everybody else is oh i would have i would have killed him i would have you know shut up you're a fucking idiot you wouldn't have done nothing you know what I'm saying so that so you know vitality was you know upset we end up I end up

writing a letter to the the homicide detective homicide detective calls down to the prison and gets Vitaly on the phone vitality tells them what happened they reopen the investigation they look into it they come back and they say there's just nothing we can do because the coroner's already ruled at a you know an accidental overdose and the guy was a drug addict yeah now the girl that was involved in the whole thing, she later came out and said that this guy, the guy's name is, they call him Rico,

that Rico did murder him. So she's like, but she, when they said, well, you know what? When we reached out to you, you refused to talk to us.

You hung up the phone on us a few times. You wouldn't call us back. You wouldn't do it. And she's like, I was scared. I didn't know, but he killed him. And I know he killed him.

And it didn't matter. They were like, it's too late. Yeah. So there was an article that was written about me in the Atlantic magazine about how I was in prison writing true crime stories, they end up highlighting Vitaly's story in there and how he contacted the, um, he spoke with, um, the homicide detectives about the murder. So he, they, they, he talked

to homicide detectives about this guy who was, you know, so to me, that's a normal thing that you do. You're like, this has nothing to do with your crime or my crime. You fucking murdered someone. You admitted you murdered. And it was a friend of mine. Vitalia is not an Italian mobster who's going to take the guy out or kill the guy. He's not going to do that. He's not a violent person.

He's not, he's a stockbroker. He's a normal citizen who got screwed up and went to jail for two or three years. Who made some mistakes and, you know, ended up going to jail. So he cooperate. He talks to the authorities, but nothing ever happens. So that ends up being in the. in the magazine article. Marlino

reads the article because it was on it was when I left as soon as I left and it went it got written and suddenly everybody at Coleman was reading the article and Vitaly by that point had been shipped

to another prison but Marlino who used to talk to Vitaly read the article when he gets out, Marlino goes to a halfway house in Miami. Well, not Miami and whatever, Broward somewhere. It's like Palm Beach. So he goes there and Vitale goes there at the same time. Vitaly told me he walks in. He said, I'm walking in. I see him on the pay phone or Vitaly was on the pay phone where he said, he said, I look up and I see Marlene and I go, hey, what's up? And he looks at

me and he's like, you know, you see a friendly face. It's somebody I know. And Marlina looks at him and goes, hey, and then remembers, oh, he spoke with a homicide detectives. And he just looked at him and he went, put his head up and walked the other way. You know, he's delusional. This is a guy who's talked to homicide detectives about a murder. And in his mind, he's a snitch. No, he's a citizen. So that means any citizen that speaks with law enforcement in Marquis.

Orlino's mind is a snitch. If someone breaks in your house and you call the cops, you're a snitch. No matter what, you're a snitch. And, you know, listening to him talk to his niece about his uncle, you know, like, you're telling her not to talk to her dad, not to bury her father, not to, like, what are you doing? Well, and you know, those guys that live strictly to that. code like that like him like john goddy and there's a few other ones that you can name a sunny was one sunny francis michael's father they're not common no because that that thought process

that mindset and to follow through with it is is very hard that's why a lot of these guys cooperate that's why people cooperate in regular stuff not just not just you know mob shit you know any any type of crime a lot of times people people talk and cooperate yeah but that seems to be the only thing he's following through on right and that's what i'm saying he's so dead set on that that's just how he is and he's not ever going to change that will be his belief system until he dies no and that was that's probably how he was raised that's probably how he'll raise his kids and i always say like it really depends on like what happened to you and maybe how you were brought up that can instill that because like until i had my situation i never really

looked at law enforcement is, you know, bad. I never looked at him in a bad way. I thought they're trying to do their job yet yet. And for the most part, I know that's what a lot of them are doing. But now, like, after I went through what I did and I had a fucked up detective trying to basically put me in jail forever, I look at it from way different perspective now. I don't trust police. I don't, I will not call them unless I absolutely have to.

Like, I'm not going to guys like, fuck the police. I'm never going to call it. If somebody's breaking in my house or if I'm dying or whatever and I need. to call the place i'm going to call right but i'm not that's going to be the only time like i'm not just going to just trust police all willy-nilly like that and i'll tell my son the same thing i'm like he got questioned the other day he was walking through the neighborhood he was with two guys and you know there's been some recent events in the neighborhood where three boys together it calls some some issues and so the police stopped him and they started talking to him he was like where

you stay in and where do you live and how long have you been here just asking all these questions and somebody noticed that he was talking to my son and he called me. So I went down there by then the cop had left, but I just explained to him. I'm like, look from now, you don't say shit to those cops. Like, you don't say nothing. And I'm not, I'm not saying that to be a bad guy,

but I just, I know how they can jam you up. So you look at it from somebody like Merlino's perspective, maybe how he was brought up, you know, in that lifestyle. Maybe that was instilled at him in the early age. You don't fucking rat.

You don't call the cops. Maybe that was just something in there from birth. Right. But he's on social media. Yeah. Like, you're on Instagram, you're on YouTube. Now, the worst thing is one, obviously, his channel is, is the worst thing about the channel is that if Marlino would kind of follow the basic platform of doing, he could follow

Sammy the Bull and he could follow Michael Franzi's model. He could beat him all. And he could blow up. I think he could. He doesn't have that, but his inability, his. his temperament and his inability, inability to kind of conform in any way is going to have this guy doing, like right now they're doing

they've got sponsors, they've got, the guy cusses every other word. There's no way his videos are getting monetized. They're at least getting partially demonetized. He's, he's getting some views, but you're talking about, you're, you're, you're picking bets. Yeah. Like you're, I mean, you're, you're picking, you know, really you're picking losers you know you're not betting well you know he's it's not it's not doing great no so i mean like you know people are tuning in i think they're tuning in because they're they're almost rooting for him yeah well you're not you don't you've never had a guy like joey that has lived that life never cooperated never said a word like he's probably the only guy that can come on these shows and

or not these shows he doesn't go on shows he has his show but he's the only guy didn't come on YouTube and say, you know what? I never done what any of these other guys did. And at the end of the day, he's 100% correct. He didn't. Right. And you're not going to get that. So the fact that he can do that and he can't hang his hat on that, I think would catapult him above those guys. If they took that show serious and he could probably just talk about stuff that, obviously he wouldn't want to get himself jammed up, but stuff that he's did, stuff that's over, stuff that he can't be re-indicted. He could talk about what happened with John Gotti. He could talk about what happened with this guy with that guy he you know the problem is i don't think he's ever bumped in anybody that he

didn't think was a fucking snitch or he wasn't ready to talk shit about or rip off like listen i got a buddy who knows you know marlino i just have two buddies that know them and both of them said the same the same thing first of all he's broke he's got no money he's driving around in somebody else's vehicle he's living in like a nice house but it's not his somebody else owns it so it's basically people are like taking pity on him well there's a lot of that because he don't want to have stuff in his name or just no he he just listen he owes his lawyers money he owes everybody that's gone into business with him in every single a case whether it legal or illegal he's ripped off left and right like and this is this is two different people telling me like

listen bro like nobody will lend him money nobody he owes he owes everybody money and he's just not making money so so what does he do he finally goes on youtube thinking i'll i'll I'll make money on YouTube, but I'm going to do it my way and I'm going to be real and I'm going to do this. And he's got this little fat kid helping him. So, you know, that poor kid, I feel bad for him. You know, like I want to take him and say, hey, man, let me talk to you on the phone. Look, you've got to do this. You got to like I want to have a conversation with them and say, look, you got to, you're going to have to do this, this, this and this.

And you guys will blow up. Yeah. And they could. They could. They could. They could do you could do things. They had Rick Flair on and he said the audio was so bad. because they filmed it in a fucking restaurant.

The audio was so bad, they had to take it down. So you lose a golden opportunity like Rick Flair because you didn't have the audio stuff straight now. First of all, they're doing their podcasts in horrible settings. Yeah. Like you don't even have a professional enough videographer

to explain to you that we need to be in a studio. Yeah. You know? And here's the thing. I think mostly it's just because he has no money to get a studio. They don't have the ability to get a studio. And a lot of, that happens with a lot of these guys. There's some, there's other guys I won't mention,

but they basically bounce around doing videos and different people's studios because they're just too cheap to actually get themselves a studio or even say, hey, you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to move into an apartment. I'm going to use my spare room. Yeah. That's what I'm doing. Right. There's not, that's honestly, that's what most people do.

Yeah. I just, anyway, so tell me about what, tell me about what, let's, let's, let's talk about, um, uh, jean. So jean was with the bananas. Uh, he was, he was a wild kid. I mean, he done a lot of home invasions. He was a stick up kid. I mean, he was not afraid to use his fist.

He was not afraid to use a gun. Um, he did do, he did cooperate. Um, right. How did that? What was that? I don't know the full extent of who he cooperated on, but I know he did cooperate. And him, you know John Ely, right? Yeah.

Um, So him and John actually done a show together. It was called the Johnny and Gene show. Okay. They were doing well, but I want to say, and I don't want to speak out of school. So I'm sure you'll talk to him, and he might can break it down a little bit more than I can. But I think at that time, Gene couldn't be around other felons. And so, like, he was doing this with John in the studio.

And so that became a problem. And then that had to, they broke that up. Well, I don't say they broke that up. It was, they basically had to stop. Then he did go back to jail, I want to say, 2019-ish. Right. He moved to Tampa. He opened up a car detailing service and some other things.

He was actually in Tampa when I went down there to see you. Okay. Not long after that, he got locked up again and he done like a year, which is when he just got out off this stretch. Right. And I was supposed to interview him and he was still the day of the interview. or was it the night before night before the interview he texted me and said are you in tampa or you know are you in and it was like are you in hillsborough county that's what i said i said

no i'm i'm a couple miles outside i'm in like pasco and he came back he's like i can't come and i went why he said i got an ankle monitor on i can't leave hillsborough county i said it's a couple miles outside he said man these people aren't screwing around this isn't a feds i can't go a couple miles outside and explain it he said trust me me. They're tracking me. He's like, they're desperate. They're dying to put me back in jail. He said, I'm not, I'm not doing it. He said, no, I can't. So now he, he went somewhere. I'm supposed to do it again, like in a week or so. We're going to do something. But he operated a lot out of the Queens area, what they call Howard Beach. So he was out of there. And I think it was

2016 when he was arrested. And then he did agree to become a witness. He wrote the book. And like I said, I don't have that book on me, but he posted on his Instagram. disciple or something like that isn't that what's called no uh i can tell you what it is the i think the the guy that wrote it is something romano frank romano does that ring a bell to you born in the life jean bella born in the life right okay yeah yeah born in the life um so jean his violate or he went back to jail it was a domestic violence yeah well there's a girlfriend. I only say that because that's what Marlino brings up. They keep bringing that up because there was a lot of videos floating around and I mean, I'm not letting anything out of the bag where

Gene and his girlfriend had some issues and she recorded him after he had kicked in the door and other shit like that and it all became public. Um, so that was really what it was, was stemming from was women issues. It wasn't like he had gotten back into crime or anything like that. Right. Um, so relationships are fucking dangerous, man. Well, especially if you're prone to kick in doors. He said, he said, that chick's, they're volatile. We're always screaming each other. I heard him, I think I watched a video where he said something like,

he's like, did I threaten to kill her? He said, yeah, but we're always threatening to kill each other or something like, that's probably normal. Like, what? So, you know, I guess everybody's relationships different. But one thing I'll say about Gene is all these guys and what they do, like Merlino and his, you know, fuck red. and all this and all that and other like he's behind it 100% jean owns the fact that he told

and he's very open about like where he is where he's going to be he's like look he's like you guys don't scare me i'll put where i'm at when i run into you i'm a slap you that's all that is to it i would be curious to see if they didn't bump into each other because joey and him go a lot of places they go to new york he's obviously down in boca um the possibility for them running in each other isn't out of the you know the norm um what would happen, I think it would be interesting. If you ask me right now, if I think if Joey seen Gene, I think Joey would confront him. I do.

Yeah. As to what would happen? I don't think, I don't know. I think Gene would knock him out. I mean, he's not a little guy. Marlino's a tiny guy. Yeah, Gene's cut up. I mean, he does a lot of stuff on Instagram.

Like, he's in good shape. Yeah. I mean, Marlino's in good shape. Look, Marlino for his age and, I mean, listen, I wish I could maintain the body, low body fat he's got. Like, he's an amazing. shape. How do those guys do that and they eat? Like, I mean, they're Italian. I'm sure they eat Italian a lot. Like, isn't that? I know. I like to think it's drugs. I mean, you know,

it would just kill me if it was just genetics. Like, that would just irritate the piss out of me. Yeah. Because I mean, like, it's getting harder, harder these days to, you know. Especially being Italian. Like you, just like you said, all the fucking pasta and. And it's good. I love Italian food. I need it every fucking day if I could. But I mean, it's just like, I don't know. It, listen, it's insane. I just ordered, I just, I'm, you know, I, I, I, I, I'm on, uh, the testosterone therapy. Yeah. Listen, I just, the doctor, I, you know, you have to have these, you, it's funny that I'm talking

about this. You know, you have to have these, uh, meetings, right? Like, uh, the Zoom meetings or whatever. Yeah. So, you know, every like six, uh, every month or every 60 days, something, you have to have one of these. And the guy comes on and I talk to the doctor and every time I've done it. every time I've said bro I'm hungry all the time I've gained weight I've gained like 15 pounds I need to lose some weight he's like well do you want to cut back on the you know on the testosterone I'm like no no I need something else he's like so you want me to prescribe something else I'm like yes he's like well how much weight have you gained and I'm like I'm telling you I'm starving as I'm I can be full and feel so feel hungry and he's okay well testosterone can

do that to some people. Like, and the problem is, and he started explaining, he started talking about, talking in all this, this language I didn't understand about how the peptides or the dala sile and the cupalaca, you know, gets such and such. And it makes you hungry because of this and that. I'm like, okay, well, I don't know about all that. So I just, so he prescribed me something that he said, listen, I'm going to prescribe you this.

He said, this should help. He's like, which, you know, and listen, it's like, he's like, you know, it's, you know, it's he's like it's good you know you know your hair may fall out no um you know no he didn't say that he said he was like he was like look it's good it's this you know i'm gonna prescribe a low dosage to try and trim off you know the the your your appetite and and i talked to another guy so they had me talk to another guy and he was like look you're gonna have to go slow because if you take too much it'll make you feel it will make you feel um nauseous and i was like okay he said no i don't mean for like a day i mean like for a week

you're taking one shot a week so for a week you're going to feel walk around feeling like you want to throw up and i'm like oh i don't want to do that yeah he said right so take a small dosage he's explaining to me so i was like listen they're making me scared talking about it i'm like what you like i'm starting to feel like being tubby is the way to go and they're like it's fine i guess absolutely not absolutely not my my my wife is 18 years younger than me, bro. I can't. I just can't embrace it.

And she won't let me. She'll look at me. She'll be like, listen, it's about time to get that under control, isn't it? And she's not, listen,

she's not. I noticed when we went out up there. Y'all both ate salads. Y'all, we're on the more healthy end. Yeah, I don't want to eat salad. But when you got,

when you go, oh, yeah, do you guys have, do you have a bloom and onion and you get that, that look from her, boom and onion?

No. no don't make me order for you yeah like i'll order sometime and then you know i'll order and then she'll she'll say yeah that's it no why because we're splitting that yeah yeah like we are she's like yeah yeah i was down there with the buffalo shrimp mac and cheese and the unhealthy platter at the end of the table there so okay so here's here's the so as of right now i so we know who all the players are they're They've all got YouTube channels. I don't know if Gene does.

Gene doesn't have one. No, I guess he's got an instant. He does Instagram. I'm sure he got a TikTok. I think that he tells stories on. I don't think he has a full blown show. Like I said, he had it a while back with John A light that got separated.

I think he probably should, but maybe he's just, maybe that's not his thing right now. He does go on shows. Well, I think what happened was he was on probation. He's probably waiting to get off probation. Once again, you know, these guys, like, there's just not like you know you think about being a mobster like they're just just it's not a ton of

money and being a mobster and and now what i was going to say and let's just that like look look up you know marlino you got what a decade two decades being the and what have you got you're living off a hand handouts i mean it's you know and even then you can't save yourself like going on you you could go on youtube which is to me that's just not a stand-up mobster kind of thing to do but that's fine it is what it is that's what jean said when he first come out and they started talking about it. He's like, the fact that he's on YouTube and he's from that life, he's like, that makes him just as much

of a rat as me. Now, I don't know if people subscribe to that, but that's what Gene said. Right. Yeah. That makes, I mean, I do, I know he said that. Yeah. And the thing too with Michael and what got him fired up about his father, Joey's philosophy was that his father,

Sonny knew that Michael cooperated. He should have never, you know, talk to him again. The guy was 103 when he got out of jail. Yeah, what are you doing, bro? What is he going to do? 103, I might give the man a pass. I mean, you know, he's, I don't think he had very much time left after he got out of jail.

But I want to say at that time when he got out, he was the oldest serving inmate in the United States when he got out. Listen, you know, Marlino's tough guy, I don't give anybody any fucking breaks bullshit, is going to have him dying fucking broke. it's why nobody fucking wants to deal with the guy so i made a clip of i made a clip of what i'm calling i called it youtube wars or i'm sorry youtube mob wars what did you call them what did you call them what i said you two mob two mob two wars too mob two wars yeah so this is the mob two wars so this is my i threw a little compilation of the drama together And because Marlino's in it, I had to bleep out all these words. So if he got paid by an F word, he'd be, he wouldn't have no problems.

So here, here it is. I got a message from Michael Franchasey's lawyer. Hi, Joe. I represent Michael Franchasey. And we like to discuss possibly having you on his podcast. My answer. Never. I don't entertain lying rats.

Here's his response. He told me the government never considered. him a cooperating witness. My response, he's a lion motherfucker. He knows he's a rat. His whole family knew he was a rat, including his father. The lawyer touched back and said, his father was a stand-up guy. He did 50 straight years.

I said, but he still condoned what his son did. He knew his son was a rat, and he picked him up from jail when he got out. Shit. Come on. to respond to that. Well, don't. On his last bid. So, in my opinion, if you condone your son being a rat, you're just as bad as him.

His son put Nabi Walters away, and he testified against your father's driver, I think it was. You're a rat. You know you're a fucking rat. Same thing with Sammy the ball. Listen, do me a favor. All you rat, motherfuckers, do not invite me on your show. Well, yeah, because they're trying to get ratings on your show. Yeah.

And we're in Tampa. I think that other rat lives out here. Yes. You know what? I don't like to make and I don't try to make enemies, but you don't go off and say things about my father that are absolutely untrue. You couldn't shine my father's shoes on his worst day.

But you feel it appropriate just to shoot your mouth off and call people names. Like what you say about me, I could care less. You don't mean anything to me. But when you said about my father? Who are you kidding? My father was the most stand-up guy in that life. They all put up shoes.

They said I couldn't shine his father's shoes. Your father's a fucking rat, just like you. First of all, let me explain something to you. Your father knew you were a rat, and he hung with you. I got an uncle that's a rat. My uncle Lawrence, let's listen. Not associate, ever take his call again, never go see him. They said they won't.

I call her up. My father died. I'm like, good. She said, like, we bury him? I said, throw him in a fucking trash. They never talked to me again. But that's what you do. You disowned them.

You don't fiend it. You can don't it. You can don't it. you're just as bad as them. And Michael Franchese, you said you didn't cooperate, huh? You're right on to fucking everybody. Here's all your trio twos. I'm going to show them.

Gene Borrelli. He's threatening us. He wants to beat us up. Yeah, he's going to, just the last time I'm going to talk about you because you ain't even worth it. But you're a f***ing rat, and you know you're a rat. You said you're sticking up for the rats. You're going to beat me up.

If I was a girl, you'd probably beat me up. You don't like the fight, guys. I guess this has become a little online war, as you want to say. You might be the boss of Philly, Joey, you know, But remember, you're the boss of seven guys. New York guys don't respect that. Okay, let's get into something else. You got shot in your ass and your friend got killed.

You did nothing about it. You didn't even retaliate. What kind of gangster are you? They shot my friend through the neck and what I do. I tore up the whole street. Retaliation. That's what I did. Okay?

Let's get into something else. You're the boss of Philly, right? So when you go to prison, right, and you did your time. Why is everybody in Philly fucking your wife? Where's the respect and fear of that? When my G. Lanzo went to jail, my old captain, dudes were scared to talk to his wife. They wouldn't even look at her. Your wife is getting train ran on her. New

York Giants getting her pregnant. Where's the respect and the fear? You're a joke. You're on YouTube. You're talking bad about people. You're a joke, okay? All right? I'm an embarrassed out of you. I'm different than these other guys. I'm an ex-street thub. Hands-on dude, bro. Go ask about me. You can hear these fake stories all you want. When you run into me, see who's running. I mean, he seems irritated. Outside of the fact that he operated like he's he's he's right right that he's uh he was a hands-on guy like he was he's fucking crazy is what he was at least he was um so i would i would really be interested and to see what have if they were for some reason bump into each other because he is very

open about where he's at like i follow him on instagram and i've talked to him a time or two through uh text method or dm and like anywhere he goes he put i'm going here i'll be downtown whatever. I'll be at this spot. I'll be at that spot. So he doesn't hide. Like, yeah, you know. I'm not saying Joey does either, but I'm just saying Gene doesn't, Gene doesn't hide where he's at. You know, here's what kills me. It's funny because it's kind of like in the, do you remember in the Sopranos where Tony at one point, he's just driving like upstate New York or something? And he looks over and he sees a guy. that had cooperated that had been relocated.

So it kind of tracks him down and he ends up killing him. Yeah, that was early. That was like episode three in the first season. Right, because it was like, oh, my God, you know, like this, this is what you do. I know where this guy is. I got to whack this guy. Everybody knows where these guys are. Like, if the federal government had ever thoroughly decapitated and crushed

or a criminal organization, it has done so with the mob. Because this is what you're down. These guys are, there's infighting on YouTube. That's what it's down to. There's infighting of mobsters

on open platforms in front of everybody, calling each other names. But, you know, it's just silly. That was founded upon the exact opposite of that, secret society. under the radar behind the, you know, behind the screen, behind the scenes, everybody operated.

And I think the hayday of people that, you know, it was a, I want to say fun, but good time to do that was in like the 60s, the 70s when they were rubbing elbows with Sinatra and all of that. You could hide money very well. There wasn't cameras. You were able to take money, turn around, put it in legitimate businesses. Like you could get away with a lot of stuff back then. nowadays from like the 90s on or late 80s on like it's it's so hard and especially now like anybody and jeans i've heard jean say this too he's like anybody that thinks there's any future and being a mob guy right now is fucking crazy right absolutely right just like he's absolutely right

just like he was saying like going on and talking about it openly like these are guys that were like there is no cosonoestro there is no mob i don't know what you're talking about they just denied it to the end now these guys are going on and openly talking about it which i'm not saying that's a problem like that's fine that's what you're doing it and I'm not knocking you. What I'm knocking is the fact that you're still trying to hold true to a code in an organization that has been decimated. Yeah.

For you to hold true to this code and to such a degree that it's actually debilitating to your actual lifestyle. Like, Marlino could make something of himself. He just mentally can't do it. And he's doing, he's mixing in the good things with it. Like they do do stuff for kids. They'll do toy drives and those feed the homeless and stuff like that. He actually had a guy, the lawyer, one of his lawyers, got a guy out of prison that was wrongfully convicted. So there's shades of like stuff that if he tweaked his way of doing things just a little bit.

I'm like you, I think he could surpass some of these other guys because he can't hang his hat on the fact that he never cooperated. And that's nobody can say that. Nobody in that whole thing can say that. Right. But he's not going to. Yeah. Because the same thing that makes him hold. true. It's the same thing with like being a CEO of a company, you know, like 95% of the CEOs of

these major companies are narcissists. Yeah. So you go, okay, well, yeah, he's a CEO and he's filthy rich and he makes a bunch of amazing decisions. He really saved this company and he runs this huge multi-billion dollar company, but he's also a narcissist piece of garbage and he destroys every relationship that he's in. Right. But the problem is those two go hand in hand. The same thing that holds Marlino true to that code that just doesn't exist to this, this, you know, outdated, you know, code is the same thing that makes it him unable to actually thrive in any other industry other than the mob. And the truth is, the mob doesn't exist anymore. So he's just left out in the cold. And you have to be able to take those things that they done back then and apply it in today's

world, which is possible, there are some things. I mean, like a lot of stuff that the mob did, like, you know, they had, they done loan shark and they loaned out money at high interest rates. How many loan places do you see now on the corner? Payday loans with gigantic interest rates. That's the same thing the mob did, but now it's, it's a pretty corporation with a business and a nice name and an air-conditioned office you go into and they rob you every week with a smile and a pen and you voluntarily

do it. Same thing. Bookmaking. You can't watch a football game now. with 15 different, you know, Draft Kings, Fan Duel, Jake Paul's now in it with his better pick sports thing where you go on and you bet on sports. Everybody bets on sports now. You know, with fantasy football and all that, the mob made it kill it all bookmaking. They took everything they did back in the day and now they made it legal, even marijuana in some places.

So there's ways to do it. You just got to figure out how to do it. You know, the methods that they use, not the violent ones. I just meant like, you know, taking a vice that somebody wanted and turning it into a legitimate business. which is what a lot of these people did. A lot of the stuff that they got locked up for now is legal today. Right. You imagine being these guys that did 20 and 30 years for marijuana.

And get out now and they're just, they're shops they can walk into. You're walking around next to every fucking 17-year-old kid smoking pot on the corner and you're going, oh my God. You've got to be shaking your head. And you made an interesting point here many ago. You talk about like, you know, the head of this company or whatever, being narcissistic.

I think, do you have to do that is there's no way. you can lead, whether it is a mob family or a big corporation or a big company like that, I think do you have to be that way? I think that kind of runs hand in hand. Unfortunately, what happens is you have to have that overconfidence to be able to convince people to follow you and to say that this is the right decision and be 100% behind it. And then the problem with most narcissists, or they can't admit that they're wrong. So what you do is you shift blame on to everybody else's. It's everybody else's fault, not yours. So you're sacrificing other people's futures so that you can stay on top. Like it's, it's, it's really a, it's a horror,

it's a horrific, it is a horrific mental condition for anyone that tries to have an interpersonal relationship with you. However, as a business model, you're the king. You just don't want to be married to that guy. Yeah. Or British children. Or a friend. But I'm laughing because that episode we did, you talking about it, you took over the channel. He's like, the views dropped. And obviously, my taste is just better than everybody else. Oh, absolutely.

It's not my fault. That's not my fault. You people have no class. That's a problem. I think it'll be interested when you interview, Gene. I want to, I want to interview him. Yeah. Listen, if I can ever, you know, if I can ever pin him down, like he's,

He's like, you know, he is. He's like going to New York. You know, I'm going to New York next week. He's like, I just got my ankle monitor off. I'm going to, because when he got it off, I say, hey, bro, you got it off? He said, yeah, I just got my braced, my, just got my ankle it off. He said, and I said, great, when are you going to do the show? And he said, bro, I'm going to New York next week.

And when I come back, we, I'm doing something on this day, but I can do something on this weekend. And then I said, okay, then this weekend. And, um, I. yeah he didn't respond and then the next thing I sent him was I sent him oh I sent him a text and said bro what are you what are you doing with Marlino in these videos and and I said I just watched the response from Marlina for your your video and he goes holy shit he put one up already he was like like what the hell he's I just put mine up and I was like oh no no I meant I watched the one before the one put up and he you know and I said uh I forget I said something else, but that was it. So he was just like, I just put that one up like an hour and go. Yeah, I think yesterday he had just put it up when I sent it to you. Yeah.

Listen, I only know about this stuff because of you. I would have paid no attention at all. But then I started watching. I was like, what's happening? Like the world, it's like I'm living. It's like bizarro world. Compared to the world that I left when I went into prison, it is so vastly different. But it's so odd.

about this. And I think that's why these things get the views and stuff they do, those documentaries, you know, captivate people is because this whole thing, like I said, when we've mentioned it a couple of times, was built on secretive society under the, you know, sheets or whatever. Like, it wasn't in the forefront. Even though you knew who was involved, like you would have never gotten back in the day Carlo Gambino on the cover of Time magazine. Frank Costello would have never went on a public speaking forum like this. Obviously, I know they didn't have YouTube back then,

but those would have never happened, but that just shows you how much the times change. And, you know, Michael's, I mean, Michael's turned it into a business. Yeah. And so Sammy. Yeah. You know,

and the thing about you get two very different things from those guys. Sammy killed 19 people. Right. Murdered 19 individuals, different ways, different reasons. You know, a lot of guys that was in the Gambino's. A lot of people say it was for money. but he can tell you stories that are hands-on how he did.

And so that's going to be interesting. And he can't do it because the government let him do it because they wanted John Gotti so bad that they let Sammy walk with night or walk. He did a little bit of time, but ultimately let him go after committing 19 murders. And later on he goes and does the ecstasy thing. He gets locked up for that. That's a whole other story. He did that what show. Talk about screwing up a golden opportunity.

I mean, really that that was a that was such a huge mistake. Like you got a pass, bro. You got a pass. And didn't really stay out of it because when he went to Arizona, he opened up a pool business, but it wasn't long before he was right back into stuff. And people knew who he was down there. He used it. He would tell people like, you know who I am, right?

And they knew it. And that's when Atwood come over from the UK and they were selling Ecstasy and the motorcycle gang that was working with Sammy. That's how he kind of run into them. That was how that kind of, you know, cross happened between them too. And they've got something coming out here soon too, I think, Atwood and Sammy. it's like back then everybody killed each other now they're doing stuff on YouTube right that's what I'm saying it's nuts these guys are okay they're killing me

what else what else yeah that's it's all I got it's all I got how's your whatever happened with your short with Ian's channel did that short the shirt still going crazy oh yeah I counted up today it's like 17 million with all all of them added up That's insane.

Hey, here's the thing. So being in YouTube and seeing the numbers that Franzis is getting and that Sammy the bowl is getting, listen, these guys are making a fucking ton of money. Oh, yeah. These guys are making 50, at least 50 at a minimum, based on their views, at a minimum. And I'm probably on the low end of 50 grand a month. And that's probably low. If you told me $75,000 a month, I wouldn't doubt it for a second.

yeah it's a minimum of 50 and that's just in that like francis does a lot of traveling a lot of speaking so that's now that's just ad sense i'm not talking about sponsors if you throw sponsors in there book sales uh speeches yeah obviously i'm saying just on the ad sense which is this the the just the commercials that youtube chooses to play on your platform the little skippable i'm just i know you know the little skippable you know ads that come on so So just based on that alone, those guys are fucking banking. Oh, yeah. That could be, that could be Marlino.

It could be. And Michael's the going to go farther than those other two because like you said, he does carry himself a certain way. You know, he presents himself a certain way. There's not too many people that's going to be tied to Sammy just because of who he was in the fact, not necessarily that he cooperated, but he did kill a shitload of people. But he is starting to bring. ranch out and do other interviews.

Like, I think he just had the warden from one of the Supermax prisons on his show. So I think at some point, like I said, they've got to start getting out and getting other people interviews, you know, getting other people outside of just that mob genre. I've seen Francis had Mario Lopez on, not too long ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I don't, I didn't listen to it. I don't know what they talked about, but, you know, that's out of the box. And then he had there was a guy, he was on that show American Gangster, or they would highlight

different people. And his name was a machine gun Johnny Yang I think was his name. He was basically it was the Asian mob or the Chinese mob, one of the other, but he had him on. It was a really good one. He went to jail and changed his life around.

Really interesting dude. But they're starting to get out of the box of just strictly mob, which is the key to keep it going. But Michael right now, I think, is the top guy as far as where he can go, where this can grow, because he's got it down to, you know, speaking and the traveling and everything else and all the guests he's he's killing it right now

in this whole thing yeah well he has a he has a temperament you know he's very he's very um uh i don't know not it's uh i don't know why the word listen it's late in the words escaping but you know he's he's um he's a moderate you know what i'm saying he's he's he's very thoughtful when he responds he thinks about all the angles how to, you know, how to say it, how to not offend anyone, how not be crass. He's a class act, you know. And that's something that's hard to do when you, it's somebody for me, because like, I'll interview one guy and then the next guy hates them.

And so, but I'm not going to coincide that they hate him. Like, if you wouldn't know, that's fine, but you have to kind of be careful because you'll piss somebody else off that you, you know, but I'm just like, it's, it's a, it's a heavy road, but Michael does do that very well. Like, he responds in ways not to piss anybody all. and not to... Diplomatic. Yeah, diplomatic.

At work the word I was looking for, diplomatic. And Sammy's the complete opposite of that, and people love him for that. Joey is the complete opposite of diplomatic, and people, you know, love him for that. And if you go on his comments on his Instagram, everybody's like, only real guy on here, which depend on how you look at it is true. But I just, I'm like you, what hurts me, I say hurts me. What hurts me is that I know what Merlino's show could be if they took it serious. Yeah.

And it could be so good. Yeah. It won't. I hated that. I didn't even get to hear that fucking Rick player interview because audio was so warm. I actually was looking forward to hearing it. He's his worst enemy. Or whoever the production crew is.

I don't know who the production people. Well, you still, you know, they're still, they're still, you know, betting on, not betting, but they're picking, you know, they're picking, you know, what do we call it, picks, you know. Yeah, picking sports, betting sports or picking sports and, you know, and, yeah, betting on sports or picking sports and, you know like like nobody nobody people are not tuning in to hear that you know like listen i would love to sit around and talk about you know movies all day long or writing or story you know there's certain things like i'm sure i have interest that i'm fascinated by the idea that we're going to or that elon musk wants to wants to colonize mars you know i'm fascinated by the idea of colonizing you know the the universe you know i'm not going to

force anybody to fucking to hear me go, listen, I watched this one video. Listen, I heard this. Nobody. People that watch my channel are like,

I don't care about colonizing this or about what a Dyson sphere is or what, you know, like nobody cares about the things that, that I find kind of interesting. Listen, I can tell you everything about World War II. I love World War II documentaries. I'm predominantly,

uh, interested in the European portion of the war, although I can talk about the, the Pacific, but regardless, I'm not going to force you to listen to me, talk about it, and go over the various things that happen and just, you know, how amazing certain things were and how fascinated I am by certain events. You don't give a shit. So, you know, Marlino, on the other hand, you're going to have to listen to him talk about all these sports teams and who's winning this and who's doing that, who's doing that, who's going to win this and what he thinks this is

going to happen. And then check in two weeks later to hear about how he was wrong on every single one of those picks. Well, I've done that with Anthony Aralada. We tried doing that, and our picks were so fucking awful that it turned into a comedy show the next week of just how wrong we were. And it's like, all right, we're going to keep doing everybody just bet the other way. And you know, you know, every week. But now, I can't knock them too much because I look at videos now and I send you

stuff because we kind of bounce videos off each other. And like some of the quality of my shit when I first started, but I didn't know any better was awful. Like I'm seeing videos and they're so grainy compared to them now. They're a little bit clearer. And I'm just like, God, it looked so bad, but I didn't know any better then. So I don't know if anybody's actually told them how to improve things as far as like sound and all that. I don't know, but hopefully they do.

I'm willing to help anybody. I drove, my wife and I drove 45 minutes to go to a real estate office today. And I spent two hours with these guys talking to them about how to set up their studio, the cameras to get, the switcher to get. the you know the whole thing how to go about how i would structure their youtube channel i spent two hours with them till finally jess was like you know she's looking at me like it's enough already you know and i was like all right so um so you know i was told to get in the car so that's it she she's just she stopped just shy of going just so but i did to get the a couple i got the look like three times and then i kind tried to avert my eyes but then i caught her again i was like

It's like, I got to go. But yeah, I'm always willing to help somebody. But those are the kinds of guys that would never ask for help. They'll just completely keep banging into the wall. And I feel bad for the, for his chunky little buddy. He's trying to, he's trying to, you know, wrangle Marlino in. And I'm sure that he knows what he would want to do because he's always like, hey, some of the comments, they want to hear you tell a story.

Like he's begging this guy. You've got to tell some stories. You've got to tell a story. You've got to, you know, if he had his way, he'd be like, listen, we're going to talk about this, this week. You can talk about Sammy the Bull this week. Then next week I want you to talk about, you know, whatever. Then I want, then we're, you know, what we're going to do? We're going to watch the movie, Godfather.

Yes. You know, and let's hear what you think about that and just what the conversation sparked. That's a year's worth of content right there. You take up each person that you don't like that he's got the paperwork for that cooperated. you can make an episode out of each one of them and you can still do that sports shit, but make it a whole other podcast. That way people don't mix it in the sports.

Yeah, yeah. Mixing it in is stupid. Yeah. That's why when I do the sports picks, it is an episode dedicated strictly for sports. So if people don't want to watch it, just don't watch it. Right.

I'm not going to force you every 20 minutes of this, 20 minutes of this, 30 minutes of this. Like, I'm not going to, you don't have to do that. Yeah. That's the, that's the format right there, what you just laid out.

If they made the sports show, it's own thing, they done shows with him talking about people, however he wants to do it and put a platform in place. All right, we're going to cover, you know, whatever, Donnie Brascoe here. Who did you know? Who did you meet? Whatever. That's a year's worth of content, man, if they drop one a week. Listen, and what about shorts?

These guys, they don't, like, they got one or two short. Like, Marlino, you could cut Marlino up in shorts easy. Oh, yeah. Those would be a black. These guys are people doing it for them. everybody's reposting his videos everybody yeah but he's that problem is it's not driving traffic to his yeah the thing is he's got like 40 45 000 subscribers and he's only been doing it a couple months yeah if he if they that's what i'm saying that that's how many people want to hear what he's

got to say so if he just looked at that a little bit like how long it takes somebody to get 45 000 subs that's not easy right and if he actually put that deep content into it it could go somewhere Oh, listen, if he actually followed the format, he'd probably have 200,000 right now. Yeah. But he won't. It's hard, man. I try to listen to some of the stuff when I'm at work with an earbud and I can't hear shit. Can't hear anything.

Yeah. I don't know. Well, I'm interested to see how all this plays out. Yeah, we'll see. Um, I got to mention my clips channel. Yes. I've got 4,000 subscribers now. when it was at 3,000, 3,999, I texted 10 people and told them, subscribe to the channel.

You need to subscribe right now. I know you didn't subscribe. I want to get her to 4,000. And I walked around him for 30 minutes. And my wife was going, what are you doing? I go, I don't know. I asked 10 people to subscribe. None of them have subscribed because look, look, because I kept redoing.

She's like, like, you're a grown man. it's 930 at night what are you doing and then all of a sudden it went to like 4001 i was like yes and she's like the fact that you're excited about that that means like i'm like hey you get obsessed with them numbers man i check my phone daily just to see because like some days it'll be like i'll think it's starting you know it'll go from six or so whatever i'm at 6,000 5 to and then you check it like an hour later and it's at five five you know you've gained 300 in a matter of a couple hours she's like something starting something hit and then then it stops for like you know a week and then don't go anywhere i'm like fuck well you know what's so funny is that jess has a video she

does sign language right so she'll sign and she has a a video that's got like it had like 11 000 a couple days ago and just just all of a sudden it just started doing really well for a week and went from like 900 up to you know what got like 10,000 within a week. And so now she's walking around. And it's got like, it went from 11. It's up to like 13 now. And she's walking around. She's like, showing it to me. She's like, and I'm like, what am I looking at? What am I like? She's like the number, the views. I'm like, okay, what is it? What is it? Did it go up? Yes, it went up. Is it 12,000? I'm like, okay, relax. Like, boy, I'm like, okay. Do you see

how she's different? It's different. It's different. My son showed me one. It was one of the ones I did with Ian the other day. And it's like, what do they call it? Remixing. They also take it and they'll just do some random shit on the side of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like,

stitching. That's it. Yeah, or stitching. Yeah, and he's like, people send me this all the time. Because like everybody's seen that video, bro.

Everybody. Or I guess one of the clips. He broke it into like nine clips, but I see him everywhere. I tell you, some guy here that lives in Charleston, done a full-blown fucking video using it like a 15-minute video breaking down the story and i found his email and i was like hey you got a few of the facts wrong like if you ever

want to actually interview me instead of just you know assuming shit hit me up and he did and suppose we're going to get together off christmas break nice yeah how is it that um like what are your how old your son he's 14 now so do his so his friends what do its friends think of you? They think you're pretty cool. Yeah. They look at it as a cool thing. You do understand that most 14-year-olds think that their fathers.

Is this your stepson? No, this is my son. Most stepson or sons, they think that their fathers are idiots. Yeah. You know, like, so it's pretty cool for like, you know, my, you know, my stepdaughter, I guess, you know, Jess's daughter, her friends come over and think I'm super cool. Yeah. Like try and talk to me and ask me questions and do this. And you can see that like Jess's daughter's looking at me like this guy, like she still can't stand me. But, you know,

and it makes it even worse that her friends think I'm cool. Like all the kids, I guess, they started watching my podcast and they would always talk about the porn star and stuff that I do. Of course. They called me Coach Chip. Coach Chip, how you get in contact? You need to hook me up. I think the age is there, pal, you know, but you can, you got social media like I do. So funny. And everybody, like the work, I just didn't expect that one to blow up the way it did. And so when I started that new job, like not a lot of people knew. He knew after that.

Yeah. Come out. And I was like, yeah, you got to tell me. I was like, I ain't tell you. I told those stories on shows for a reason. Go watch them. Give them people some views. Like, I ain't got three hours to burn sitting there and tell.

you this. Some shit happened. Yeah, some shit happened. There we go. There we go. That's the easiest way you can describe it. Okay. All right. All right. What are we doing? So are you want to run this on? Are you, do you remember when I hit pause? Yes. Could you imagine if I didn't hit resume? If I looked, I just looked at I thought. I've seen it was recording. I would have looked. That's the thing of having another podcaster on here, we would check those types of things where somebody else wouldn't know any different. Oh, my God. Listen, thank God these things are edited.

And I end up looking competent. Because if people really knew what I don't know, but that's the funny part about yours. Like, leaving that shit in on yours sometimes is comedy. Yeah, and Colby does. I mean, guys actually say that. They're like,

bro, I like that you don't cut anything. You know, Colby, the problem is Colby's, you'll fuck up and start again and leave it in there and yeah he'll he'll because he has a you know he kind of thinks it's sometimes it's like now leave you know leave it in it's funny but then sometimes they're like hey hey you made me look like an idiot there like you got to and he's you know he's like i know right i'm like no that's we're not going for the idiot funny we're going for the casual so you know anyway hey i appreciate you guys watching the video do me a favor

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