Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - John McAfee's Former CEO Speaks Out On Millions Stolen and His Death

Starting point is 00:00:00 I was the CEO of John McAfee's company. We were doing massive trades, millions and millions of dollars. We were transferred to my account to his trust fund, which is considered money laundering, wire fraud. I found out that it's the FBI tracking me every single move. I immediately buy a one-way ticket to Bali. What do you think happen with him? There's no freaking way, I was born in West Texas,

Starting point is 00:00:24 in a little bit of town called Millshoe, in between a feedlot and a dairy. didn't have much going for me intellectually, physically, physicality-wise. And the reason why I say that is because I had this heart to serve my country, you know, and joined the military, even from a really young age in West Texas. So my parents ended up pulling me out of school because I was just such a bad kid. And I think if I was part of a larger school other than like 17 high school, students and seven of them being pregnant, I think it would have been all right, you know.

Starting point is 00:01:02 But me being so wild, questioning everything. I was always questioning everything. Had a little bit of ADHD going on. And so my parents eventually just took me out of school. How old were you? I was 14 years old. Okay. Yeah. And, well, you say you weren't like physically, you weren't a, what do you mean? You were like a physical guy? You weren't like in good, I don't understand. No, I was, I was like super strong. And, but I will, you, it's been a long time. It's been a freak. You got over it.

Starting point is 00:01:35 It took a while, took a, too a while. But I was over, I was always overcompensating in my life because I, I wasn't picking up with the other kids were picking up and what the teachers were putting down. And so, um, I was unathletic. I remember, I remember my parents literally begging the high school coach to play me on the C-string football team, you know. And the coach literally told him, ma'am, I remember, I remember, um, I remember, uh, I remember, uh, I remember my parents, I would get fired if I played Jimmy. So little Jimmy's athletics, you know, in sports, was over from that day forward.

Starting point is 00:02:06 But I loved playing guns outside, and I loved, like, digging holes outside. But I had such a long journey to go because my dream was to become a seal or a green beret, something like that, you know? Well, I mean, so, okay, so when your parents pulled you out of school, did you get at GED or did you, what happened? So believe it or not, my mom tricked me,

Starting point is 00:02:28 into going to this place called Texas Bible Institute. And it was for troubled older guys, not even teens. And here I am like 13, 14 years old. And she didn't do what Forrest Gump's mom did in the movie, but she talked the dean into, let me come on, let me go to this institute. And so she tricked me. And at 14 years old,

Starting point is 00:02:51 talked as dean into allowing me to go to this place in Austin. It's super hot. And they had like all, these toilets lined up and it was for inner city kids that were coming in from austin they would like do these summer camps well i did a week there and i called my mom on this old pay phone pay phone they didn't have cell phones or nothing and i call it i'm like mom i'm ready to come home please get me out take me back i'll go to school i'll go to i'll go back to junior high all this stuff and she's like well we've decided to just go ahead and just leave you there you know just just

Starting point is 00:03:24 just just do another nine months and i'm like nine freaking months i'm like this places as hell mom like i'm getting in fights with all these these older guys and um and so i i'm all pissed off and i hung i hang up the phone i end up doing um like over a year and a half there and graduated from their course got my gd while i was there cleaned like untold amount of tollets every single day i i got to where like i could clean one toilet in 45 seconds and i was literally cleaning 100 toilets a day four times a day. So 400 toilets a day. No, it was more like you're working for free, like a slave at this camp, right? And so I graduate this place, get my GED, which was a major, major, massive accomplishment for me. Like, I never even thought

Starting point is 00:04:19 I was going to get my GED. That was probably one of the most exciting times of my life to get the GED. and I go back home to Texas at my parents' house, and I've got about a year or so to kill off before joining the military. And so I just start training relentlessly as this young guy on the farm. My dad's farm, I would like run across the dirt-clotted fields on the old farm. He worked me really hard and driving tractor and stuff all day. I'd shoot prairie dogs going there and, back and I really learned accuracy.

Starting point is 00:04:55 Aim small, miss small, with shooting birds with my BB gun and stuff. And so I really learned weapon safety and shooting and all this stuff. And I really just had this heart to serve my country for a better purpose or what I thought was serving my country. And playing with my little brother out there. So I eventually was able to, I tested myself for the SEAL standards test. And I just fell miserably. I remember I stopped halfway in the run.

Starting point is 00:05:25 I was like heaving. My side hurt. I was just like, why, you know, why God, why? Like, you know, like, why am I so inadequate? You know, I had all these inadequacies and I was overcompensating for everything. And so I was like, well, who will take me? Right. And so I knew the Marines might take me.

Starting point is 00:05:43 So I went in the Marine recruiter office. I ditch the SEAL program. I was like, I can't do this. And it'll have to be for a later day. And I went in the Marine Corps office. and they were like, well, you're 16 years old. You got to wait to your 17 at least with your parent's signature. You got the GED, but you need 17 or 18 credits in college.

Starting point is 00:06:04 And I was like, no, you know, and of course my dad being the graceful guy he was. He was an ex-Tex-Tex judge and preacher. And he was like, well, I got an idea. Go do community college, take like one credit courses, like 15 or 16. courses like bowling pottery right you know all this stuff get one credit get build up like 15 16 70 credits and then and so I got all that got the parents to sign me in and off to marine corps boot camp I went and I was the youngest guy my boot camp yeah I was going to say you can take like working out would be like one or two credits oh man at the community college lifeguard yeah uh you know

Starting point is 00:06:45 Water aerobics. Yeah. Photography is like a three credit, four credit card. You know, that's just taking photos. Bowling, all of it, yeah. Yeah, because they're not saying you have to get your AA. No. You just have to need some credits.

Starting point is 00:06:58 That's right. So you, so where do you go for Marines? Like you don't go to the normal. Is that Paris Island? So there's Paris Island and then there's Marine Corps Recruit Depot. They call that the Hollywood Marines. I was always West Coast. I guess because I, I guess because the area I was in Texas.

Starting point is 00:07:14 I'm not sure if all of Texas. goes to MCRD West Coast, but I know my part did. And so I go to MCRD. I'm the youngest guy there. And from there, I go to School of Infantry. From there, I go to Camp with First Marines, third battalion First Marines,

Starting point is 00:07:33 and then I do two deployments with First Marines. Did you like it? I mean, you must have liked it. You know, I knew it was going to be hard, and I watched the full metal jacket movies and stuff, but I didn't know it was going to be that hard combined with the living conditions. I always said after becoming a seal

Starting point is 00:07:51 and even in Blackwater stuff, I always look back at the Marine Corps being a very hardcore time. I mean, for a young man, even from my background of cleaning a hunter toilet today. I was going to say that and working on, you know, like kids that grow up on farms don't have it easy.

Starting point is 00:08:07 Like that's a hard life too. You got chores. Yeah. It's not like you're a fucking city kid who has to go to school, come home and play video games. No, no. My grandma,

Starting point is 00:08:14 my grandma's brothers, who all served in World War II in really terrible arenas, you know, said that they would rather be in war than out picking cotton on those West Texas fields, you know. So the farming life, I wasn't picking cotton, but definitely it was tough, you know, driving tractor all day, building fences, digging postoles. And my dad worked us. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so you were saying you did two tours.

Starting point is 00:08:41 I interrupted you at two tours. No, two tours, yeah. Yeah, did two tours. in the Marine Corps on the USS Tarawa and the USS Pelaloo. Was that the USS coal bombing? What are those ships? Those are big LHA-1 landing craft.

Starting point is 00:08:56 Basically, they carry, I think they carry like 3,000 Marines. All you do all day is wait in Chal Hall lines. That's it. You eat four times a day. You do the midrats at night. And so basically you're just cleaning all the time as a Marine on one of those

Starting point is 00:09:10 and you're just forward deployed. And people, I don't think a lot of people realize, that there's always marine units on a mu and they're on these big ships, basically a helo carrier, these big ships, and they're floating around in the Mediterranean or the Pacific, and they're on call. I heard that. Yeah, like break in case of war, right? Like when a war pops off or something happens, they've got a freaking army of dudes ready to go fight.

Starting point is 00:09:43 And that's exactly what happened to me on my second deployment. We had just gotten done training in Australia. I think it was Darwin, Australia, where there's bats the size of dogs, hanging on the trees. It's crazy. And 9-11 happened while I was in Darwin. And so we just hopped on the ship, went straight to Pakistan, and secured this airfield in Pakistan.

Starting point is 00:10:10 And that was all while Bush was trying to figure out who did it still. but we already knew. They already forward deployed us. You know, we're going to figure this out. Well, they already identified Osama bin Laden doing it. And the reason why we were the first Marine unit detachment to secure an airfield in Pakistan was just so they could forward stage the PJs and combat controllers to be able to bomb Afghanistan and do soaredies in and out of Afghanistan in case of,

Starting point is 00:10:43 down pilot because they need to anywhere you send these pilots to bomb and location if they inject if something goes wrong you got to go get them that you got to have a team ready to go standby and get them and so that's what we did there and then they picked us up out of there and we forward deployed to afghanistan and we were pretty much the first marines not the not the first military unit i think the rangers beat us there but the first marine unit to to get to step off on the ground there in Afghanistan. How long, how long were you there? I was there for seven months.

Starting point is 00:11:18 And so, and it was kind of, it kind of let me down. You know, we did a lot of long-range patrols and stuff, but I wanted to go to war, you know, and maybe I watched too many movies. Maybe I watched Full Meadow Jacket, Platoon, these Vietnam, you know, read all the Vietnam books and stuff. And so for me,

Starting point is 00:11:35 none of those seem a feeling to me. Isn't that crazy? None of those make war sound appealing at all. Every one of those looks brutal and horrible. I've never watched one of those movies where I thought, that's, yeah. I've always thought, that, that looks horrible. Guys are losing their limbs. Guys are getting blown up.

Starting point is 00:11:53 Because it's funny because this is my wife and probably you. And when you watch The Walking Dead, you see yourself as one of the survivors. I'm thinking, I'm probably one of the Walking Dead. I just think this is, the numbers are against you. you're watching Walking Dead thinking you're a survivor. I'm like thinking, I'm going to jump on the grenade. I'm going to jump on the bobwire fence, you know. I'm thinking I'm not going to make it.

Starting point is 00:12:21 This is no good. Yeah, but you know what? I'm a true believer that every man has, you know, three core desires. One of them is to fight some type of battle. So I bet it's lots of battles. Well, okay, so you may not be fighting a kinetic war or it, but it may be on Wall Street.

Starting point is 00:12:36 It may be on something else, right? Something else. Yeah. Yeah, because, yeah, I just think. Fuck, that looks horrible. Yeah. No. You know, I'm ready to argue.

Starting point is 00:12:46 Like, we can have some strong words. Let's do it. But let's not start shooting it. But no, I know, I know I hear you. And I think, I think, but I mean, I was so, I don't know if I was tricked or something and thinking that it was going to be glamorous and everything. But you got to be careful what you wish for because what you visualize and think about all the time, you're going to find yourself doing it. And it's not going to be what you thought it was going to be. You know, and I mean, I loved being in war.

Starting point is 00:13:14 In fact, I felt almost at peace being in Baghdad, Iraq for four years in all these places. But, but in Afghanistan. It's like being a cop. People love, they love the idea of being a cop. But, you know, every cop I know, they're like, bro, it's nothing but filling out paperwork. Every once in while something happens, it's over in fucking five minutes. And then it's four hours of paperwork. They're like, you spend all your time filling out paperwork.

Starting point is 00:13:39 It's like, oh, that, well, yeah, that's horrible. So although in World War II, those movies and stuff, I have hard time feeling, believing any of those guys ever filled out any paperwork. Those were, you know. They weren't playing. They were, they were, they were filling them, you know, magazines, bullets and stuff. Yeah. So, so, okay, so you, so after, after Afghanistan, where'd you go then? After Afghanistan, you know, I still wanted to be a seal in, but it was going to be a long road to do that.

Starting point is 00:14:09 Why seal? I just, well, in Afghanistan. And I always wanted to be a seal. I don't know why. When I was eight years old, my aunt asked me, Jimmy, what do you want to be when you grew up? And I was like, I want to be a Navy SEAL. Where I got that, I have no idea. But I just felt like, okay, that's what a real, that's what a true man.

Starting point is 00:14:26 Like, that's the ultimate man. When he walks in the room, people are going to respect him. People are going to see maybe the medals upon his chest. And maybe it was my dad singing the Green Beret song to me when I was little or something. The three, 100 men will test a day. And only three will win the green beret. Bray. I don't know. I don't know where the hell I got the idea to be a seal. But I thought, I, you know, because you got to think, you got to think, definitely, I was definitely seeking validation

Starting point is 00:14:54 and definitely, like, wanted to be somebody or something. Like, I wanted to be, like, macho, and I wanted to. You were a Marine. I know, right? You've been a Marine, you know, at this point, for how many years? Four years in the Marines, four years, four in the Corps, they say. But it wasn't good enough. And I thought, okay, if I can be a Marine and a seal, nobody can hold a candle to that, right? And I was delusional, whatever. But because, you know, because I later found out that none of that matters and the trauma of war and the things that I saw were, I don't, I don't think it was worth what I went through, right? So definitely seeking validation. And, yeah, it propelled me to where I am here. It's great stories and stuff and experiences. But at the end of the day,

Starting point is 00:15:41 you're pretty empty when you're relying on that title. And that's pretty much what happened to me, you know, when I finally retired out of the seals, man. So you did become a seal. So I did become a seal. How was that? I mean, you know. Now, that was amazing.

Starting point is 00:15:55 Okay. Because, because when you come from where I came from, thinking it's impossible. Right. And then you find yourself persevering, persevering, and in pressing forward all the time towards that goal over the course of years and you're chopping down this massive tree taking one swing at a time and it's not going anywhere but eventually you fell that tree and you walk across that buds grinder that seal training there's blood on the pull-up bars you know there's sand in your room it's it's a very difficult course you know of course and so when you find yourself walking across that grinder at 30 years

Starting point is 00:16:32 old i was i was fairly old to be graduating buds because i went later in life i finally did it um but I had realized a dream came true. And I don't know how rare that is or how common it is for somebody to realize their dream comes true at 30 years old. But then there was no planning after that. I had no other plans after the SEALs. Like I was like, I made it. Right. So were there any in your class, in your graduating class, were there any other guys that had been a Marine?

Starting point is 00:17:06 There was an officer. There's, I believe the statistics are four, about four guys go from the Marines a year to trial for Seals and two of them will make it. So 50% right there for prior Marines. Okay. So, I mean, did you, how long were you, did you say in the Seals? Eight years. Eight years. Eight years, yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:25 What, what happened, anything interesting that happened there, anything eventful? No, I think the biggest eventful thing for me in the Seals was my injury, my diving accident. It was significant. And you don't, you don't plan for those things, but you do realize that it happens. There's dangerous aspects of the seals, obviously. Guys die. I had a couple buddies, really, really good friends pass away. And I think the biggest things that come to mind was my little brother dying, which was, he wasn't a seal, but he died while I was in the teams.

Starting point is 00:18:00 And my two friends, good friends dying. and then me having this pretty life-altering diving accident. What happened there? I was doing a pretty basic VBSS, Visit Board Search and Seizure. You know, you can do that a couple ways. You can take down a ship a couple ways. You can go from the top down, or you can dive in and take it from the bottom up.

Starting point is 00:18:26 You can hook and climb. And so we were doing a hook and climb. We had a lizard line underneath the water, under this dock and we were coming in on the little black sub on an SDV and we were departing the SDV going underneath this dock taking our gear off our our our lar five the widow maker uh we were taking it off on a breath hold you know can you imagine and then you then you tie off your gear to this line and then you fSA you free surface ascent you know not going past your bubbles to the surface right so you're on a breath hole you know and then you take off all your gear and then you

Starting point is 00:19:00 come up with your weapon you know, without your stuff, you know, you leave it down below, hide it, and then you come up, you free surface, you don't go past your bubbles, right? And then you come to the surface, you secure, you hook and climb, you take down the whole ship, you clear the whole ship, and then we were doing iterations of this. And so I think we had done one or two iterations, and in order to get your gear back on, now you're a bit hypoxic, you're tired, you're kind of red, you know, you're filling the fumes of the ship, the engine room, it's hot, man, in your wetsuit.

Starting point is 00:19:33 It's so freaking hot. And so what we would do after clearing the ship is we would go on a breath hold, jump back off the ship deck into the water on this breath hold, and then find our gear under water and put it on. Well, you know, you're chicken-necking by now. You're hypoxic. You're like, you're making that noise, right? Like, you're struggling.

Starting point is 00:19:53 You can hear other guys chicken-necking. And so it's not very fun, right? It can induce real panic. And so I found my gear. It looked like a freaking black octopus down there, you know, underwater. It's just moving around like this. And I put it on on this breath hold.

Starting point is 00:20:10 And I can see kind of some stars going on. I'm like running out of oxygen. I'm putting it on. I put the regulator in my mouth. And then I just wake up. I just wake up in my buddy's arms. And he's slapping me hard, which, by the way, you're not supposed to slap people

Starting point is 00:20:24 because they have a fight or fight response. You slap somebody real hard. They may stay. Right. conscious they may stay hidden right so you whisper to them tickles and pickles you rub them whatever you know blowing their face whatever but he didn't he was slapping me his name was knuckles you know and uh so i i said i you know he had me riched up at his arms like this on the surface and i said yo bro get off me now and he was like no man you're not going nowhere and i mean he had such a tight grip

Starting point is 00:20:50 super strong guy and um and i said get off me bro you know we're supposed to be down i was real confused like i didn't know if i had died got to heaven where am i at you know surround you know real being in my buddy's arms i'm supposed to be in the s tv right now traveling away from the ship well he said bro you were seasoned out going you were heading towards the bottom of the the ocean there in the harbor season out and and thank god it wasn't at night we usually do everything at night but we're doing a day iteration and so i bumped into him he thought i he thought i was a shark or something scary you know like something just bump into him he turns around it startles him he sees me season out going to the bottom. And so he immediately grabbed me up and, you know, I don't care how

Starting point is 00:21:36 strong you are. You're not swimming a guy my size with all my gear on with a wetsuit, all this stuff, you know, very dense up to the surface without some help. So he cracked my Secumar bottles, the two oxygen bottles on the side of my, uh, to the side of my vest. And that rocketed me up to the surface. And as you ascend to the surface, because the greatest change of pressure is zero to 33 a T.A. feet, as you ascend to the surface, there's major changes of pressure. And you know, like you start going up like this. Now you're like a rocket. So I read October with him up to the top. And they think that's what gave me the arterial gas symbolism. But I was already injured. So it's not his fault. He rescued me. Thank God. Thank you for Knuckles. And I think you got a reward for that.

Starting point is 00:22:26 But I came up and then I came too. Well, because I was seasoned out underwater, because I was unconscious, this is an automatic, when in doubt, press out. Go to the hyperbaric chamber. Well, instead of putting me in the hyperbaric chamber, this newer doctor, dive medical officer, she sent me to Tripler. We called it, AKA Crippler, Army Crippler Hospital there in Hawaii. And when I went there, that's where I was super shaky.

Starting point is 00:22:57 And everything started closing in on me. And I think that was my first experience with near death, like where I was dying and going unconscious. You know, and I could see my heart monitor going 70, 60, 50, 40, 30. And then they would run it with the shockers and adrenaline, you know. And that was scary because I was, that's the first time I was not in control of my life anymore. It was dark. I'm sorry, can I say, so you came up to, so the, the, the oxygen in your, in your blood, because you came up so, so quickly it, what, expanded.

Starting point is 00:23:33 And then they should have put you in the, in the hyperbolic chamber, you said, and to what, to compress it and make it go up slow because it's supposed to, you're supposed to come up slow. Yeah, you shot up that. You need, yeah, exactly. They think the bubble wind in my C-5 or somewhere, but basically what happens is bubbles escape, right, your lungs and bubbles escape into your, your blood, these little bitty bubbles, and if they're not pressed.

Starting point is 00:23:56 And this is because you went up so fast. Went up so fast. Like Boyle's Law, I think that is. And so they're so, they get caught, right? And that causes all kinds of, sometimes irreparable damage if you don't get in a dive chamber soon enough. And so that little bubble was stopping bloodful, you know, vital blood flow to my brain. And I need as many brain cells as I can keep at this point, right?

Starting point is 00:24:21 And so this bubble is stopping this blood flow. Instead of putting me back under pressure in a dive chamber, in a recompression chamber, where this will easily crush that bubble out under pressure in a big tube, right? They sent me to the emergency room instead, which was a lot of neglect, a lot of forgiveness later I had to have. So you ended up having, what, a brain embolism? So basically it was an arterial gas symbolism, a brain embolism, or it can be in your C5. fine. The point is, is I was dying. Right. And she eventually, the dive medical officer eventually changed her mind. It was crazy how that happened. But I was sent to the decompression chamber a bit

Starting point is 00:25:06 too late. So now the damage is done. Right. You know, you've got a bubble that's stopping vital blood flow to your certain parts of your brain. So whatever's not getting fed that oxygen in blood. I'm not a neuroscientist, but you have damage there done. All right. So you seem fine. I mean, I mean, you know what I'm saying? My wife doesn't think I'm fine. No.

Starting point is 00:25:28 Yeah, yeah. But I may seem fine, but there's problems. People get paralyzed and they have like, you know, facial paralysis. Like there's all kinds of things that happen with that, right? Like you can, you know, you see people that have like. You can get a parathesis or whatever that is where it's like, like you're not paralyzed, but you're, you're tingling all over one side of your body. you can feel but you can't you you're like paralyzed but you can move you can you can't feel certain

Starting point is 00:25:53 parts there was like there was like it was like if somebody came over and just you in your leg with a knife all of a sudden out of nowhere that's the kind of nerve damage I had and then I had you know for about two years I had like these pre-sinkable episodes and I didn't know if I was ever going to be the same again I would I would you know you see a piece of trash on the ground you're walking I would like you know bend down to pick it up and as I'm coming up I'm passing out That's the kind of differences I was playing with. Like I had to, and I asked the doctor, I pled with him one day. I said, doctor, give me my chances.

Starting point is 00:26:26 Like, am I ever going to be a seal again? Am I ever going to be a functioning husband again? Am I going to live through this? Like, I don't know. I'm thinking about often myself, it was so bad. And the doctor said, you know, hopefully, Jimmy, hopefully what will happen is your brain will, you know, the brain is phenomenal in recovery. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:26:47 It'll rewire itself, but it may take years. It may take 50 years. It may take two months. Thank God. By the grace of God, I was able to stay in. And the seals? I was able to stay in. I made a full recovery as much as you can.

Starting point is 00:27:02 Yeah. It's still like, you know, it was still like I had a six-pack every day, not a good way. And a fans going off in the room. You know, you're not right. You're off. There's like a noise and, you know, pressures and stuff. but I was able to remain, you know, a team leader and sniper and stuff.

Starting point is 00:27:20 And, but it was time to depart from there because I had a lot of legal stuff as well going on. I mean, I retired honorably, but, you know, honorable is not on a piece of paper anyways. So this is eight years. You did eight years. Eight years, total, yeah. Okay. And then, so what happens then? I mean, you get out.

Starting point is 00:27:43 Like, I mean, you're, you know, I hate to say this, but I mean, you're in the real world, you know what I'm saying? Like there's not a lot of, you're not really trained to do, you're trained to do law enforcement at this point, you know, and it really not even that because, you know, you know, you'm saying? Yeah, like a lot of it. Yeah. So what, what, where do you go from there? So, yeah, to be clear, they, they counted my inactive, my inactive, active, inactive reserve time and I had enough time to retire early with a full medical, which was nice. It was great. But you're right.

Starting point is 00:28:14 A lot of people think that, well, I mean, what are you going to do when you get out? And I think up until like maybe 10 years ago, it was like you get out, you go into law enforcement, you go into contracting, and you're very cookie cutter. I mean, what else can you do as a seal or a green beret or a special operations guys? They have found that that is not true. You know, you have these guys that have been thinking on a high functioning level doing, operations around the world having to critically think. I mean, I think that some people may have the wrong idea where, you know, the seals get a mission and it's already planned out for them. And they're like, okay, guys, go. You know, you're going to do this. No, it's like, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:57 you get the op-word, you get the plans, the who, what, when, where, and why. And then you figure out what you're going to do. It's all on you. And so you take those skills out to the business world and you become a CEO, you become a successful entrepreneur. You're used to high, pressure situations where you're having to think through and think outside that box. Not that law enforcement isn't awesome, great field to go into, but after some of my experiences and stuff, I wanted to do something else. I had zero idea what I was going to do, though, because I was planning on being a seal for 25 years as a master chief, but things weren't looking like that, you know.

Starting point is 00:29:38 So I got out. I'm sitting at my house. I remember walking up the stairs in my house, and I could hear my knees crunching together, you know, and I'm mentally exhausted from the war and from my, just, you know, serving. And I can remember going up those stairs and just sitting down halfway through, and I just felt so exhausted. And they told me the transition out of the military would be hard,

Starting point is 00:30:03 but I had no idea how hard it was going to be. And so I'm like, I'm thinking, man, I'm thinking, Matt, like, like like this is what I got in exchange for serving my country like I mean like I put my life into this uh and I also did the Blackwater for four years right so so I consider that serving my country too even though we were getting paid a lot of money and stuff what do you mean black you you were a private contractor yeah private contractor yeah where did you do that so this is after you did eight years and now this is another four I did the Marines to Blackwater for four years to seal Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:30:41 I didn't realize it, right? I didn't see that. I didn't realize that. And usually guys go from spec offs to contracting because it's better money, but they're making the bonuses better. But I went Marines, Blackwater Seals. So why didn't you like the first, why four years? Is it a contract for four years?

Starting point is 00:30:58 No, no, no. It's usually like a, there's multiple contracts you can do. You can do 90 days off, 30 days on. I'm sorry, 90 days on, 30 days off, 90 days on, 30 days off. Or you can do a 60-30 contract. there's all kinds of multiple contracts they had with Blackwater. But I did contracting in Baghdad, Iraq for probably, I would say, a little under four years. It was a permanent mailing address for me.

Starting point is 00:31:25 Okay. I was there for a long time, brother, and more. And what are you doing there? So when I first started, I started, I pretty much did every position in Blackwater in the team, you know. And as the trunk monkey, you're just laying down. And basically the job for Blackwater was to go and secure diplomatic personnel for the Department of State. They gave us a, when I first started Blackwater, it was at the very beginning stages. They gave us a black diplomatic passport, believe it or not, in the rank of GS-13.

Starting point is 00:31:57 And so you go from being in the military as a Marine, you know, saluting generals, good morning, you know, sir, all this stuff to not giving a shit about anything, not having a salute an admiral or a general. general, nothing, just literally going overseas with a GS-13 rank because they had to justify the pay they're giving you. So you're doing GS-13 pay grade. And then the black passport. Well, the black passport lasted all but like six months until we had them yanked because guys were smuggling drugs and guns back over to America. Crazy stuff, man. And so I knew a guy that I was in prison with a guy that was smuggling from Afghanistan. And, you know, you know, I was in prison with a guy that was he was a private contractor. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:32:43 And he lived, by the way, a black guy who was Muslim that had been in the military, got out, went into a private contractor, I don't know which one, lived off base. Actually, and I was like, are you serious? He's like, no, it's not that bad. It's, you know, I feel like, I was like, I feel like that would be dangerous. He's not like that. Yeah, I saw so much crazy stuff in doing that. It's just because like you're no longer in the military and you give a guy an inch,

Starting point is 00:33:09 he's going to take a mall, you know? So you've got beards, you know, you got crazy hair, do whatever. You know, you're at the Saddam Hussein's Palace pool all the time. You're having fun with your friends. I met some of my closest relations I met there, you know, as friends and stuff, still keeping contact with a lot of guys, a brotherhood there in Blackwater. And you're just doing mission after mission. You're in a war all continuously, constantly.

Starting point is 00:33:34 And so I kind of worked my way around the teams doing anywhere from the trunk monkey. to the left and right door gunner, to the tactical commander, which I sucked at, because you've got to read in like three maps and doing all that. I hated that. To driver,

Starting point is 00:33:50 which is the drivers are super important. You got to think, like it's like the movie heat, you know, if it goes down, you've got to be able to get your entire group of men, whoever's in that truck, and your convoy together as one

Starting point is 00:34:02 out of that bad situation. And the war was heat up. And there was a lot of death and crazy stuff. going on in Baghdad, Iraq at the time. You know, you had the four guys right before I got there, got hung on the Fallujah Bridge. The guy I arrived with on this twin lacosa bird, doing this tactical descent out of the sky to land, you know, we would come on this little bird and this little plane. The guy I came with, like the very next day, you know, he was selected to go to Muzul and I and I was selected to go to Baghdad as new guys to stay in Baghdad and see you

Starting point is 00:34:43 later brother and that guy was blown out of a truck just a couple days in less than a week after me and him departed ways and I was like dang that's a 50 50 chance that could have been me you know and so you're not you're not getting shot at all the time but you're in a freaking war zone and depending on what team you were on like I was on the red seal team, the quick reaction force, you're going out daily into the red zone and then you're getting bombed at night, you know, with an average of three rockets a day, probably. I think I counted 90 a month, which is three a day or three in the nighttime. And that's scary because those rockets were random. You know, you're sleeping in your room and then you just hear boom. If you sleep hot at night,

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Starting point is 00:36:44 to save a whopping 50% off site wide. Boom, you know, boom. And they would hit the man camp. I saw one hit the, several hit the man camp, multiple ones hit the man camp. And it was crazy. Like one day we came in from a mission and my buddy Mike,

Starting point is 00:37:01 they called him a hot Mike. He said, hey, come over to my. room bro. And so I came with her like, what in the world could he want, you know? So this is supposed to be the green zone, the safe zone. And we went in his room. And I'll never forget,

Starting point is 00:37:13 it looked like Swiss cheese in his room. And you could see the sun coming through these little holes in his, in his trailer. And a mortar had hit outside the man camp, but just sprayed with shrapnel in his room. And if he would have been standing in there, it's old. Because some people, man, I don't think people realize

Starting point is 00:37:36 like stradmo can be faster than a bullet. Yeah, but it's like a machine gun. It's just going. Boom. And those holes were just directly. There were little bitty pinholes, but that's enough to just wipe you out, man, catching the femoral.

Starting point is 00:37:49 And so I was like, dude, you're lucky. And I saw a lot, I saw a lot of, I saw more guys get lucky in Iraq than guys get unlucky. But the guys that were unlucky went home in a body bag or went to Germany with serious serious injuries. So when you get eventually, we'll jump back to the seals. When you get out of the seals,

Starting point is 00:38:12 what did you, at that point, what did you decide you were going to do? So when I got out of the seals, like I said, I stopped on my stairs, you know, in my house. I thought,

Starting point is 00:38:20 man, this is all I get in exchange for all this crap. My body's broken. You can hear my knees crunched together. And I remember my buddy, a T-Cath, he's like,

Starting point is 00:38:28 he calls me out of nowhere. And he's like, yo bro. And he's like, you know John McAfee? And I'm like, who's that? He goes, check your computer screen, dog. And I'm like, all right. And I'm like, okay, McAfee antivirus.

Starting point is 00:38:42 He's like, yeah, bro. He goes, he's going to call you in a second. And I guess John McAfee has this distant nephew cousin, whatever, in the SEALs as an officer. And John McAfee reached out to him who knew my buddy, who knew that I just got out. And so John McAfee's like, I need your best seal to come. come immediately, like this insane crazy orders. Like, come on, man. And, of course, I wasn't the best deal.

Starting point is 00:39:05 I had just got out. So timing was everything. And so my buddy calls me and he says, hey, he's going to call you here in a second. John McAfee on your cell phone. And I said, okay, so I waited a while nothing happened. And then all of a sudden my phone rings. It's this random, crazy, weird number. And I'm like, hello.

Starting point is 00:39:24 And he's like, you know who this is, son? And I was like, I think it's Mr. John McPhee, sir. because, you know, obviously, like, nobody sounds like that. It's weird. And he's like, that's right. Don't ever forget it. He goes, now, how much do you charge? Like, straight to brass tax, like crazy.

Starting point is 00:39:40 Like, and this guy, I never saw John McPhee lose a negotiation. And he drove a hard bargain. I mean, there was no conversation, no fluff. Like, Americans like to do a lot of fluff. Like, I'm married to a girl from Moscow, Russia. They're like, me, et da. Yes, no. Like, there's no in between.

Starting point is 00:39:57 And Americans, like, hey, brother, how you doing? doing it. That was great. No, it was. It was terrible, right? And so, but John McAfee, you know, he's like, he's like, how much you charge? And I said, 500 to a thousand a day, depending upon the threat. And I don't know where I got those numbers. You know, I would have done it for $15. I would have freaking done it for $15. Because I was hurt, you know, I was going broke. Like I wasn't expected to get out. You like, I was like, dang, man, this sucks. Life sucks. Life comes at you fast. And so, and so I was like, 500 to $1,000 a day depend upon the threat. well, I didn't know these were key words that would fuel his paranoia.

Starting point is 00:40:32 I mean, this guy was telling you that bugs were going to invade people's computers back in the 70s, you know, when he was programming houses the size of, programming computers the size of houses for NASA for the Apollo mission, right? And so I'm like, depending upon the threat, sir, 500,000 a day. And he's like, what? He goes, that's freaking insane. You know, he spit out whatever he's drinking, probably scotch. And he goes, I only pay my green berets, 250 a day.

Starting point is 00:40:56 and I don't know why I said what I was about to say, but what I was about to say would spur our relationship for the rest of the time, would kick that off and catapult me to the leader to lead his entire company in less than a year, the keys of the kingdom. I said, well, I said, it's your life, sir. It's your life. And he goes, damn, son.

Starting point is 00:41:18 He goes, you drive a freaking hard bargain. And I was like, and I'm thinking aside, boy, you're so stupid to play this game because I was bluffing. I was like, it's your life, bro. Like, hey, you know, sorry. Not that the green brace could easily, you know, you'll take you care of me, but I was like playing this game. And he's like, damn, you drive a hard bargain.

Starting point is 00:41:35 He goes, okay. He goes, deal. He was all about deals and bets. He's like, deal. He said, but you got to come here tonight. I said, no, no, I said, what do you mean tonight? He goes, tonight. If I'm paying you 500 bucks a day, you're coming here tonight.

Starting point is 00:41:48 I said, all right, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go to Bahamas. I'm ready to go to Belize, Caribbean. You know, he's a billionaire, right? And he's like, okay, I'm going to tell you where to go. And I'm like, oh, thank God. So I tell my wife, buy it. And I was like, I got to go do this baby.

Starting point is 00:42:02 Sorry, you know. And he's like, okay, come to Lexington, Tennessee. Like this freaking hole in the wall. No disrespect to Lexington, but a hole in the wall, you know. You know, selling way too much Sudafed in Walmart, you know? And I'm like, so I show up to Lexington, Tennessee. It's a hole in the wall, like it said. He's got this like big, it looks like a part.

Starting point is 00:42:25 plantation house in this massive, you know, jail-like type of, you know, barred up fence with these big dogs, two German shepherds, and a pit bull named tequila and red pit bull named tequila, lazy thing. But I show up and these dogs are bargain. I show up to the house. And I walk in and it's these, these guys are armed. You got a shotgun over here. Got a got a carbine over here. Got vest over here. They got all their computers open. They're smoking cigarettes, drinking scotch. They got their side arms on and I'm like dude this is so messed up like this is not not how I roll like I was crazy I was wild like the Texas tornado on the seals I got a lot of bar fires I was out absolutely out of my mind crazy in the hills after my little brother died but but coming here with a weapon on you it's like

Starting point is 00:43:15 dude this is this is not I don't I don't understand this right and but you never you never bring others the majority up to you you know they bring you bring you down to their level. And so they're drinking, they're smoking, they're lighting joints, you know, at night and stuff. But my first interaction with John McPhee was he wasn't there. And it was dark and there was some holes in the wall. The guards were pointing out these holes in the wall. They were like, don't ever step.

Starting point is 00:43:41 Don't ever step in front of John McAfee's room, you know. And I'm like, no freaking problem. I ain't going close to there. There was literally bullholes around the ceiling, the wall where he shot through. And, I mean, if I knew what I knew. now, I obviously probably wouldn't go to Macfee, right? Because this was, my life was about to flip upside down. And so I hear all this like unlocking, something unlocking.

Starting point is 00:44:06 He was like in a vault. Like he basically had this massive metal door that he had somehow constructed in there, had it moved in there. You know, millionaires do crazy stuff. And he had all these latches. And you could hear these latches unlocking. He had locked himself in this room. Super paranoid got.

Starting point is 00:44:22 And he eventually came out. I could hear this. You know, like a gel cell. He comes out and he's in the dark. He's smoking a cigarette. He's tapping his foot. He's got a 1911 and a Mac 10 strapped to him. Way overkill.

Starting point is 00:44:36 For me, it's ridiculous. You know, for me, it's not like, ooh, that's scary. It's just like, what are you doing, bro? In the middle Lexington. Yeah, you're, you've got guards all over here. You got tequila, the pit bull over here. What's he thinking's happening or is going to happen? Like, I mean, is this, is this, is his paranoia?

Starting point is 00:44:54 fueled by drugs, or is he just, in general, straight just paranoid? I think with or without any kind of drugs in a system, but I'll get to that, but with or without that, he would be super paranoid. Okay. I mean, he just, he just, this is his line of thinking, right? And I think it was justified in a lot of ways, but, uh, is it bipolar? Do you think, was he bipolar? Because, okay, so, you know, you understand like bipolar, so you can be bipolar and the more bipolar you

Starting point is 00:45:23 are on the spectrum, it starts to tilt into schizophrenia where you're having, you know, delusional thought. And there are bipolar that a lot of times, their, you know, their manic episodes will go so high that they, they're, they become delusional, where they suddenly think, you know, I wrote a book on a guy who's like, suddenly he starts thinking he's going to take over the world, that God's talking to him. And then, of course, 20 minutes later, or sometimes three minutes later, he comes back down and he realizes what's going on. And he suddenly, like, right back into being an enrollment person again. So, oh my God, Matt, I'm bipolar for sure.

Starting point is 00:45:58 Right. Oh, my God. You just explain every single day of my life. Like, way up here, great. Everything's great. Then wait on it. No, okay. No, I think Mac Fee, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:46:11 It's so hard to tell because you know, okay, so Matt, you know how a guy that's extremely smart will be lacking in other areas. Maybe he's like a super nerd like Bill Gates. but so he can't get a girl. Right. You know, now, but he's also super brilliant,

Starting point is 00:46:27 too. It's super brilliant, but they're like a savant and they have these problems. Macfee was unlike anything I've ever seen. He was extremely brilliant. He had suave. He had game.

Starting point is 00:46:39 He could pick up anybody, any girl, like he could talk to anybody. He could see right through. He could, he could reach down into your soul and pull things out. And so I couldn't ever read what was going on with him. Because he was also playing a game.

Starting point is 00:46:53 I think he was way too smart for his own good. So John would actually play games with people. And, you know, one time he would literally invite the enemy into his house. He would invite people that you would never invite to sleep at your house. Like sketchy people that you knew were there to take, take, take and play a con game. I remember one time I took McAfee to the side outside and I couldn't stand anymore because I could see it all over this guy that was there. living with us. And I went to McAfee. I said, McFee, I said, sir, I know that you already know

Starting point is 00:47:29 what I'm about to say. So I don't understand why you're not doing anything. He says, what? Spit it out. I said, sir, can you not see this guy is going to rip you, us off? Like, I can just see it. And he goes, are you done? And I said, yes, sir. And he said, son, I allow people into my life. and I allow them to build a cage around themselves painstakingly. And then when they're finally done building that cage, I simply walk up, put my key in the door, lock it, and walk away. And I saw him do this in certain ways throughout our time together. And my first meeting with John, he took me out in the yard.

Starting point is 00:48:12 And he says, who's the most feared man on the battlefield, Jimmy? And I'm like, I have no idea. give me the hell out of here, you know, because it was creepy. He was this close. So I felt awkward, you know, smoking a cigarette. And I said, who? And he says, the most, he said the oldest man. And so after that, it like kind of said, you know, chills because I knew that John wasn't

Starting point is 00:48:34 somebody to mess with. He may act see now. He may act like he's fueled on drugs, but he was always playing a massive, massive, massive manipulative game and was far ahead of other people. So I just took him at his work. And that's why we got along well. And he could see through any bullshit of mine. So I had to make sure I was up and up all the time and not bullshitting him.

Starting point is 00:48:58 And he put me through some tests on that. And, uh, well, I was going to say, how long were you there? I was only with McPhee two years. Like I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, it seems like a long time. It was a freaking lifetime with John McPhee. And of course, I go on the run. I'm a fugitive after that because of this. Like, I mean,

Starting point is 00:49:17 Like I go from getting out of the military, you know, trying to do the right thing. Right. To, because I already had ran into the FBI once, okay, with my whole Blackwater thing. That's crazy, crazy, corrupt event. And now I'm out of the military. And once you have an experience, a bad experience with the FBI, you're just like, or the justice system. You don't want to be part of it anymore. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:43 Like, I'm not one of these guys. Like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm done. I don't want to ever be part. of anything again. I'm going to dot my eyes, cross my T's, but I always was that wild kid too, right? So I get to Macfee's and I start basically becoming hit, like he's starting tasking me out to do things. And it's this new cryptocurrency game, all these like Bitcoin, Ethereum, altcoins, you know, private tokens, all this weird stuff. And I'm just like, what the hell? It seems so complex to me, but eventually, John just started giving me these tasks and teaching me,

Starting point is 00:50:21 and he brought me in like a son, and then like his right-hand man. And then he made me his lead negotiator, which I was terrified to do negotiations from, but the easiest negotiation is non-negotiable. And so I started doing all the negotiations for John on the cruises, on the keynote speaking in Spain and Thailand, for Russian olgarks. And he taught me really fast. hard these business lessons like through a fire hose. And so I was super thankful for that, but he was super hard on me too. So you're talking about, so you're, so you're negotiating his, like his, if he's doing like a keynote speaking engagement for oligar or for, you're going in and saying, this is how much?

Starting point is 00:51:03 No, no, that was taken care of by just admin people. Okay. But, so I would have his terms, like how much we charge for John McPhee to, to, to, to, market or or or to uh give you can consult your company like let's say these russian oldars wanted to they had something that's what i meant like you're negotiating that you're the one who's saying negotiating the terms for their blockchain technology companies or negotiating their terms to advertise for them to market them on twitter to consult his business doing all that stuff

Starting point is 00:51:37 uh the speak the yeah the keynote speaking stuff was different but okay but yeah yeah so laying out the terms, how much, what percentages, all this stuff. And so, you know, I felt like I had a lot of responsibility, but then he was giving me like 20% of the deals. And so he's paying me all this money, plus the 500 a day, you know, plus all these bonuses and perks. And then I'm flying first class with him. And then, and then, so I have this loyalty bond with him that builds. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you go from having a commander, you're always having a commander in the military to Now, you look naturally to an older guy like John McAfee as kind of like that, that new commander. And I did well under that.

Starting point is 00:52:21 Like, okay, I'm loyal to the group. Whatever tribe that I'm in, I'm super loyal to, right? If it's a bad tribe, it's good, whatever the case, I'm loyal to the brothers, you know. And so I was super loyal to McPhee. And that's kind of what got me in trouble in, but not to shift any blame on anybody else. But because I'm a man of responsibility, I take extreme ownership for what I did. But he would task me to find these cryptocurrency tokens for him, you know, based on volume, based on circulating supply. And then he would announce that coin and it would do real well on the Twitter.

Starting point is 00:52:57 And so every time he did this, he considered me like his lucky charm, even because it was going against his mathematicians. It was going against all the numbers. His crypto traders would say the numbers ain't right. The volume is not right. The circulating supplies right. Don't mention this coin. It's not going to increase in value 100, but you're not going to get your 100% gain or whatever. So he's going to, he's going in and he's buying, you know, whatever, 200,000, you know, whatever, Bitcoins or whatever, Ethereum, whatever it is.

Starting point is 00:53:25 And then he's going on Twitter and saying, man, this is amazing coin. I just bought a bunch of it. And so it's pumping it up. So what he would do is he would say, Jimmy, I want you to pick out an alt coin, like one of the shit coins. Let's say Doge or Red coin or one of these coins. And, you know, I would scan through like a thousand coins and find the coin, like three or four out of this hundreds or thousand coins. I would find the, the certain parameters, volume circling in spite of. And then I would take those three or four, bring him to Macfee, and he'd say, which one are you going to pick?

Starting point is 00:54:05 Which one? I would pick that one. Then he would bring it to his traders and his pro crypto guys. They would say, hell no. Do not use, don't use Jimmy again to pick out these freaking coins. He doesn't understand crypto. He's not a mathematician. He doesn't understand trading.

Starting point is 00:54:21 And here I am just picking out stuff for him. And then he would rather bet on me than his own crypto guys. And so I can remember one time he said, Jimmy, I have a million dollars on this. He goes, if this is wrong, if you're wrong, I will lose a million dollars. I'll never forget he said this. He's smoking a cigarette and we're on his little boat together, just me and him and Janice. He goes, do you understand the implications of what I'm telling you? He goes, my crypto traders are saying, absolutely not, and that I should fire you for even picking this coin.

Starting point is 00:54:54 And I said, listen, I don't know what got in me. It was just like our negotiation when I started. I said, listen, you can listen to them. I said, but this is not a math. This is not a numbers game anymore, John. He goes, how dare you tell me about numbers or what's not? You know, I'm a freaking math, but he was a mathematician. That's what his major was in.

Starting point is 00:55:12 And he goes, you call my crypto trader stupid? I was like, no, actually, no. But what they're not understanding and what I see

Starting point is 00:55:18 and how my mind works is that you don't need the numbers. You have the influence. Yeah. 75% of his million followers on Twitter, now X, were doing exactly what he said right when he said it.

Starting point is 00:55:34 You could have said bananas. And the banana market's going to freaking fly up. And I understand. this, how he couldn't see this, and the other guys, I didn't understand. And so he would say, I'm sorry, guys, we're going with Jimmy's word. He's like my Irish lucky charm. We're both Irish, you know? And so he, so, and it was nerve-wracking. Because every single coin I picked, it wasn't like a guarantee. There still had to be certain parameters, right? But each and every one of these coins, he's doubling his money and then compounding interest. He's just doubling,

Starting point is 00:56:06 double-in. And so, and that coin that his crypto trader said that was going to just fall through the roof and he should fire me actually went up 180%. And so that for him, I was golden after that. I was golden. I was in the ring. I was in the circle of trust. He was, you know, giving me all of his secrets, all kinds of stuff. And so we built that bond. And of course, you know, if you can imagine me, like, I'm picking out these winning coins and I'm getting paid all this money and then John McAfee's making all this money. So he's giving me all this validation. He's like a father figure. He's like, good job, boy. That's my boy. Let's promote Jimmy now to CEO of the whole company, Team McAfee, McPhee Alliance, all this stuff. And so I started branching out,

Starting point is 00:56:53 making partnerships, alliances with all kinds of cryptocurrency companies, doing all kinds of deals running his whole company and making millions of dollars, making millions of billions of dollars. I brought his treasury up significantly in in cryptocurrency and in cash and but it was all about to fall through you know right so what what happens well you know it was a crazy crazy ride with john we moved six times six times and were you did you go to belize i so so when i got to john mcphes Belize was directly before that. He had just came back from Belize. I thought, for some reason, I thought he was still going to go to Belize.

Starting point is 00:57:36 He had to come back from Belize. He just got back from Belize. See, let me tell you. The only, what I've seen is, I saw a documentary up to Belize. No, man. Like, I really didn't see anything. And then I watched some YouTube bullshit after that, but it was all, you know, it's YouTube guys just talking about it. There's never been a documentary that actually caught the apex of his time in life.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Other than Macfee, antivirus, you know, a big proponent with Steve Jobs and I messages and stuff. But he, you know, there's never been a documentary that was caught of John McPhee actually in his prime time. I would say at the top of the crypto game when everybody looked at him like the father of crypto, you know, other than Satoshi, which could very well be Macfee, obviously. But whatever the case, you know, John and me were traveling everywhere with all these guards. and now I'm running his company, but I'm also, my primary duty is his safety. And he wouldn't even sleep if I wasn't close to him and the couch next to him.

Starting point is 00:58:38 He really valued that. And he put me through a bunch of tests for that, you know. And he all, but he had this paranoia, severe paranoia. And the one thing why I, why I lasted so long and so many guys got fired around me was like surviving the island. It was like a reality show. It was always a guy getting fired, always a traitor. Always somebody about to kill him.

Starting point is 00:59:01 You know, it was like the mafia. Like, you know, it's just like, okay, you're dead. You're, you know, you're gone. You're out of here. And so the only thing that I ever had going for me was that John reached out to me. I never reached out to him. Right. So I'm not a plant.

Starting point is 00:59:19 You called me. You called me. Right. And that is my only string of leverage that I had in this whole game. Think about it. Janice, he couldn't trust her because she approached him as working as a prostitute in Miami. Now, I love Janice. She's a great woman.

Starting point is 00:59:37 I'm just saying it's a well-known fact. She was a prostitute and approached John McAfee with another call girl. Okay. He could never trust her because she approached him. He can never trust the guys around him and even his crypto trader because he got out of prison and came to the door, knocked on the door and said, can I trade crypto for you? Sure, come on in. So all these people are coming on in and these people are referencing.

Starting point is 00:59:58 their other friends, the Green Berets, this guy, this guy, Army guys, to come and protect him. So me, I'm the only guy ever that he reached out to and brought in. So me coming in, I have this strange, different, he has a strange, different outlook on me. And I had to remind him of that every once in a while when he would accuse me of being a traitor. Plotting against him. No, it was crazy. Like I, like I, like I walked out of the house one day to walk my little dog, too. down the street in O'ercocke.

Starting point is 01:00:30 We had this beautiful... He lived in a mansion that was in the shape of a ship that was after the Love Boat series. And on these big stills, these hurricane stilts, overlooking the O'Crook Sound where Blackbeard used to evade the British Man of Warships in the shallows. And he would get stuck out there.

Starting point is 01:00:49 I guess he didn't read the book, but, you know, about Blackbeard getting... Evaded the British Man Ours. But there's only little areas in the O'Croke Sound right there where Blackbeard eventually died, but there's these little inlets that no one knows about, but people that live there. And so we would just haul ass across this sound

Starting point is 01:01:08 and just the boat would just stop like that. It would almost throw us out, and we would get stuck out there, and he did it over and over and over, trying to find these little passageways. And we'd be stuck out there for hours on the Okrako Sound. Anyways, I went out to walk my dog one time on this path, and that I used to walk down. And this lady walked up to me.

Starting point is 01:01:32 And I said, hey, back up. Back up. Like, don't approach me. Like, when you're living in this kind of paranoid environment, it's like a spouse that's been getting beat by our husband or something, you know, like, and goes out and a man approaches her and starts talking to her. She's like, don't talk to me. Right.

Starting point is 01:01:45 Like, don't talk to me. And so this lady approaches me across the street. She's like, no, I have something to give you. And I'm like, hey, ma'am, it's okay. I'm good. Don't give that to me. Don't give that to me. It's an envelope.

Starting point is 01:01:55 You know, never accept the mail. and that got me in trouble with the FBI later on. But this lady walks up with this envelope, and she's like, no, take it. And I said, all right, all right. She was like, it was in my mailbox. It's addressed to this property. So I take it. And nobody ever liked us.

Starting point is 01:02:12 Wherever we went, we were hated. I mean, Macfee's here. People just didn't like, they either love McPhee and would throw like a pound of weed in a haybell across the fence at us or they hated us, you know? People just despise us. And so I get this freaking letter. I walk in the house. I go up to my beautiful office.

Starting point is 01:02:32 I had the most beautiful office. I just loved that office. It was cherry wood everywhere. Beautiful, beautiful home. There was an elevator in this home. And I go up to my office. And McAfee was never sitting in my chair. And if he did come in, I would always stand up and offer him the chair.

Starting point is 01:02:50 He would never take it. And he would always sit on the other side of the desk. And he would call me boss. He was trying to pawn off the whole. thing on me. He was putting cars, houses in my name. Everything was in my name, right? Bentley, collector cars, everything was in my name. And of course, I was always like, yeah, it's great, you know? And so I walk in this day and John McPhee is sitting in my chair, you know, the boss chair, you know, in the office, just looking at me like just smoking a cigarette. He's got these

Starting point is 01:03:15 bloodshot crazy devil eyes, you know, and he's just staring at me going, he goes, you bastard, you freaking bastard. And he was shaking and sweating. and I'm like, sir, what happened from me walking down with the dog outside? He goes, I saw you accept that freaking letter from that lady. You're a traitor. I knew it all along. And he's screaming at me, cussing. I thought maybe he's going to pull his pistol on me.

Starting point is 01:03:41 I'm armed, of course. I'm like, sir, settle down. I was like, you work me like a slave. All I get is ramen noodles and all the guards are eating like lobster all day and crab. I said, it's your freaking bill for your lawn. Like you haven't paid your $50 lawn. care bill you know but he was paranoid and you had to watch what you did if you

Starting point is 01:04:00 whispered or anything like that it was a very very harsh environment to live under him because he was absolutely just out of his mind all the time so it's terrible how um freaking terrible actually yeah so so what

Starting point is 01:04:15 so what ends up so what happens why what I mean what what what goes I don't know like the last thing I know about McVie I remember the thing in the Belize I know he was kind of like on the run for a while and I know he ended up on a boat and he went and he got caught in, is it Spain? Yeah, he was on the, I was, I was, I helped. Was it Spain?

Starting point is 01:04:38 Yeah, I helped him purchase the boat. It was called the mystery. Okay. And I helped him purchase that. He just loved that yacht. But how did the crypto thing go? Did it go bad or what? So basically, me and him departed ways.

Starting point is 01:04:52 How come? Okay. So this is a crazy story. but I'm in my office. It's just insane, okay? And this is not a great reflection on me, probably, but because I don't know what happened, but I'm sitting there and one of the guards

Starting point is 01:05:05 brings me a drink in my office. And I'm up there. I would work till two in the morning every night. Like, I mean, two in the morning, and then I would wake up at like seven, right? And have cigarette with John and give him the plan of the day, tell him how much money we made, all that stuff, right? Go through all the paperwork and stuff.

Starting point is 01:05:20 And so a guard brings in this cup, kind of like this, of scotch and it hands it to me. I said, I said, okay, thanks, bro, at two in the morning. And he leaves it and he walks out. And I drink the scotch. I'm drinking. I'm doing stuff. And then I just, I just, like, heard this voice, like, get out of the house now.

Starting point is 01:05:42 And I'm like, and I just sat back and I put down my pen and my stuff. And I just lost my mind. I literally just stood up and I ran out the house with, nothing on i didn't have shoes on and i just had these like sweat pants on i think i had sweatpants and in a t-shirt and i had my pistol and um i can remember just running down the sound in okra-coke at night and i went out in the marsh and i hid and i got in the ice cold water it was wintertime freezing water one of the coldest nights i've ever had in the and that's saying a lot from the seals i hate water and you know i'm in this marsh down like this i could

Starting point is 01:06:24 hear gun battles going on do do do do boom boom like that people yelling screaming i can hear actual real people which are the guards looking all over for me searching for me jimmy boss whatever you know they're all looking for me and i just stay below like this the water and i was scared i was like an animal i was a beast you know and uh i had turned into an animal and uh i i didn't know if my weapon was real or real, real bullets. So I shot it and it was real, like boom, into the ground. And so I chunked out. I threw my weapon away. I just hit. And then when the sun came up the next day, I remember this pelican, this pelican standing right next to me. And I don't know what's real and what's not, but it's like I, it was like, it's like I wasn't high or anything. But then I just came to.

Starting point is 01:07:17 My mind just switched like, oh my God. And I stood up out of the marsh. And I did the walk as shame back to the Macphie Mansion, shaped like a shit. What happened? Do you think that you were drugged or you just think you had a... I don't know if I, I mean, I was taken Adderall. I was taking speed through a no spray thing that the guys would mix for me. I was drinking. I felt like I was a pretty sound mind, but I was overworked to the max.

Starting point is 01:07:51 and it was really stressful. And maybe I had a psychotic breakdown, but also John admitted to my ex-wife, wife at the time that he was pressing me. That's the only thing he ever said that made me think that he might have put LSD in my drink. That's what I was thinking about. So I later did it.

Starting point is 01:08:12 When I went on it, when I went on the run for the FBI, I did a full-blown two-year sabbatical in Thailand and Spain and all over. And I tried every single drug I could. And during that time, when I tried to, I can remember it was a lot like my experience when I ran from the house. Right. And the other thing that gave off that maybe he drugged me, which I can't verify this, but the other thing is when I came back, he said, son, where have you been? And I'm covered in mud.

Starting point is 01:08:39 Can you imagine? I go from a CEO to just covered in pig slop mud. And I come back. He's like, son, come here. And he embraced me. He goes, take these immediately. And there was these pills that he showed me. before that would reverse certain interactions with drugs.

Starting point is 01:08:57 So the fact that he tried to give me those, I was so pissed at him. I pushed him off me. I said, dude, I don't know you, man. I said, I don't know what you did, but I know something ain't right. I mean, that's crazy, right? Maybe I'm trying to blame him for my own psychotic PTSD bullshit from the war. But either way, I ended up going to the middle hospital.

Starting point is 01:09:16 I left there, checked my wife and some of my, seal buddies ended up calling and that was a hard one to see your seal buddies come and say jimmy man what's uh what's going on you know that was really really hard to see my sill buddies come and and and have to call the police and have to call the you know they were super professional and nice about it and talked me out of you know the gun and and and and then i i self admitted myself into a mental hospital for how long three days all right um three days in a mental hospital there that time. But there's a lot to this story.

Starting point is 01:09:57 But I went there for three days and then disassociated myself with Macfield. I was so pissed. But my wife stuck around. And I was so mad. I kept telling my wife, I was like, what are you doing? Like, come home. Like, it's over. Like, you know?

Starting point is 01:10:15 And I don't know if she thought maybe that I would never regain myself or come out of that or what, but the money was transferred out of my account. I lost everything. I lost everything in that moment. And I can remember, I can remember, well, the money's gone. She took that, she took this. So I'm going to call McPhee because I know this evil dude has done something to me in my family. My life was destroyed because of this dude. But I take full responsibility on the other. It was me that did all this. It was me that brought my wife into this to be the accountant in everything, right, to do the trades. So we were doing massive trades,

Starting point is 01:10:53 millions and millions of dollars, and we were transferred to my account to his trust fund, which is considered money laundering, wire fraud, win that original money, as you know, man, more than me,

Starting point is 01:11:02 more than anybody, is considered fraudulent or whatever that is, right? Well, why are they, why, why was it ultimately considered because he's kind of like a pump, kind of like a pump and dump?

Starting point is 01:11:14 Yeah, so when you're, when you're doing all that, you don't, you don't, I mean, for me, as I was doing, all this stuff, I never once considered it. I'm doing something illegal.

Starting point is 01:11:23 Right. I'm doing a racketeering scheme. I'm committing conspiracy. But what was later explained to me was that money taken that's considered inside trading when you have the up and up and leverage on somebody, when you have the big, the eagle eye on the crypto game, and you're putting your millions of dollars into this crypto and then announcing it, even though McPhee said. would say, do not invest in this coin. So part of me is like extreme ownership that goes,

Starting point is 01:11:56 I did this, I just, but another part of me is like, bro, because I've had people say, you stole millions from grandmas. I'm like, bro, your grandma is not investing in. Unless she like had the IQ of Elon Musk in a basement in front of five screens when cryptocurrency was like $5 a Bitcoin, I guess I stole millions from her, but I highly doubt your grandma was playing this game. Everybody that was playing this was extremely way better than me at crypto, right? But I had that edge and that leverage. And so obviously the coins that I was picking, I was put money into it. But that's considered inside or trading.

Starting point is 01:12:32 Macfee would argue that and say, no, Michael Jordan doesn't wear a pair of Jordans and then announce, I'm getting paid $10 million to wear this right now on a commercial. He says they're wonderful. This is amazing. But you know he's getting paid millions to wear those Jordans. Well, John McAfee would argue that this is how he justified it to me. Was that Jimmy, if people don't know we're investing in this, they're stupid. They're idiots.

Starting point is 01:12:58 Like, of course we're investing this. Like, why wouldn't we? So that was the justification. Well, I mean, he could just come out and say, listen, man, there's this new coin. We've invested a lot of money in it. It's great. Like, I don't see why that would be illegal. And he later did.

Starting point is 01:13:13 He later said, when he started getting some heat from people, he said, Of course I'm investing money. Like I'm investing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Are you crazy right now? But the DOJ doesn't like that. The Southern Manhattan District doesn't like that. And Kit crypto touting, insider trading and stuff. And so me and John split ways.

Starting point is 01:13:35 Right. I know John owes me 30% of everything. And so I know all my, all of his stuff is in my name still. Like the cars, the houses, everything. So I have this massive. you know, major leverage over John McAfee. So I think, okay, I'm going to call John McPhee. I got my, I got my feet kicked up on a blackjack table, smoking cigarettes in a casino.

Starting point is 01:13:56 And I'm like, hey, sir, I just want to tell you something. He goes, what? And this is the first time we spoke after. And you never talked to John McAfee like this. And he always won everything, right? I mean, he won about everything. But this time I knew I had him. So I said, sir, I just want to let you know something.

Starting point is 01:14:13 He goes, what is it, son? I said, I'm going to freaking steamroll you. Do you understand me? He goes, what do you mean? I said, well, I think you forgot. You owe me 30% of everything. Okay, I want that. I don't want any, but I don't want your cars and your houses, but I think you made a big mistake with me.

Starting point is 01:14:32 I own you, John. I own your cars. I own your houses. I own everything about you. I said, so I'm going to steamroll if you if you don't pay me in 24 hours. And he goes, are you done? And I was like, yes, sir. And he was like, now you listen up.

Starting point is 01:14:48 And I was like, oh, God. Like, what could he have done to win? There's nothing, right? He says, you know, you're a pretty little wife. And I was like, yeah. And he goes, she signed everything over to me with the power of attorney, with your power of attorney. He goes, do you understand me? And I go, yeah, I am so sorry about what I just said.

Starting point is 01:15:10 I said, I didn't mean I was going to steamroll you. you know, we're good, right? I said, I know you're a fair man, Mr. Macfee. I'm like, backtracking. And he goes, now this is what I'm going to do. And I was like, oh, I said, please be easy, sir, please be easy. I'm sorry for saying what I just did. I lost my freaking mind.

Starting point is 01:15:29 I was like, I should have known better to go up against Macfee. You don't ever do that. And he's like, okay, he goes, I'm going to do what I think is fair. And so he sent me a little crypto, sent me some of the gold and silver that he gave me. He gave me half of his golden silver. I only got like a little bit of pot of gold for my for my shortcomings. That's why you need to have the whole story when you, when you freaking go after the Macfee, you know.

Starting point is 01:15:52 So what, so I mean, what, your wife had a power of attorney over? Yes, you know, in the military, you always have your wife have a power of attorney for like two or three years. Yes, man, it's the stupidest thing in the world. Stupid. And so I call her up. I said, I said, baby. I mean, I'm like, I'm almost homeless at this. I go from a multi-millionaire, you know, partying in Ibiza, Spain, with Russian olgar, some gold-plated, like, jets, you know, spray-painted gold man, you know, doing all this weird stuff dancing, to, to, like, freaking in my truck with my pistol over here, considering, like, the worst-case scenarios.

Starting point is 01:16:32 I called my girl, I said, I said, baby, I said, how could you do that? Like, why? Like, like, you know. And I later found out through something I call amnesty. I give people amnesty. And that's a great thing for your listeners. Like, hey, if you ever want to find out the truth, just like in the Marine Corps, they used to just put out a red box.

Starting point is 01:16:54 And they used to say it's amnesty time for one hour. You have one freaking hour. You could pull a body out of your barracks from grenades, AK-47s, all your drug paraphernalia, whatever it is out of your barracks room. Put it in this red box. doesn't matter what it is in the hour of amnesty you are free you are pardoned for life there is not one thing that can be done to you but after that hour after one second after that hour if you have something in your room it is freaking game over amnesty period is over you're going to freaking

Starting point is 01:17:30 lebanworth you know and that's how they used to get a bunch of stuff out of people pull some crazy stuff mannequins out of the room weird stuff anyways uh but my but So I gave my wife amnesty. I didn't want to. And she told me everything. So I can't say it on life. I can't say it on air where it wouldn't be amnesty. But I gave her amnesty just to know the truth.

Starting point is 01:17:51 And she knew I was a man of my word when it comes to amnesty at least. Maybe I was a piece of crap in a lot of other areas of our life. And I had everything. I deserve everything that happened to me. There is not one thing that I don't deserve that happen to me. Because, like, you know, you might not understand. I may not understand the cryptocurrency, conspiracy, money, wire fraud,

Starting point is 01:18:12 all these charges that were levied against me after being on the run for two years. I may not understand those, but just like I told the FBI, why didn't you arrest me for something I did do? I thought it was going to be different. There was all these different little micro things that I did in the dark

Starting point is 01:18:26 that I was like, well, tushay, right? Like maybe it wasn't for this, but it was for this, right? So why do you go on the run? You've mentioned that a couple of times. Yeah, so. Like when did the FBI come? Is it because the FBI can't show up? So, no, well, so John McPhee all of a sudden gets arrested. And I've got this, I don't know, man. You know, I don't know if you can relate to this, Matt, but, you know, when you kind of can feel something coming down the pipe.

Starting point is 01:18:52 Yeah, yeah, your intuition. It's your intuition. And it's like this ominous presence of this storm approaching. You can smell the rain, the density altitude, the pressures change. You're like, oh, a little ringing in my ear. Something's wrong, right? And I felt this dark, heavy presence around me. quite often. And I just knew something was coming down the pipeline. And all of a sudden, there's big news that John McAfee is arrested. About the same in Spain. Right.

Starting point is 01:19:19 What was he arrested for? The main thing was basically like Al Capone, the tax evasion. Okay. Okay. And he was bragging. He never lied. John McAfee don't lie. And he had a no bluff policy, something I developed because of him, no bluff policy.

Starting point is 01:19:34 And so basically everything he ever said was pretty much, what was? is going to happen or true. And one thing he said was, I don't pay my taxes and neither should you. Now, when he said that to a million followers, I thought that's one thing he's lying about because there's no freaking way he would tell the public that if he wasn't paying his taxes. Well, he really wasn't. And when they arrested him, I go, my God, the guy was like, literally not paying taxes, millions of dollars for the last six years, and bragging about it and telling you, you don't have to. It's not constitutional. You know what I mean? locked up with lots of those guys.

Starting point is 01:20:09 Yeah, yeah. The whole time they're locked up for the four or five years. They're screaming. Yeah. You can't do this. You can't do this. It's like it happened. They never ratified this, whatever.

Starting point is 01:20:19 You know, we've met many of me of these guys. It's like, yeah, okay, but they've got the, they've got the guards and the prisons and the wire and they're going to make you do five years, whether or not they're signed or whatever happened. Yeah. And John, so John taught me some really bad habits and bad things. Like, like, I learned like, I got my. my McAfee Blackbook, I call it.

Starting point is 01:20:40 I wrote down it. It's like all these rules of the game. And one of the rules was you never accept mail. Like John was only subpoenaed one time because she caught him in a keynote speaking thing. She goes, hey, John. And she turned out in your natural reaction. And she goes, you got served, you know. So we never accepted any mail.

Starting point is 01:20:58 And so I developed this habit too. And, you know, I think there's something in the Bible that says, you know, when you're accused of something, make sure you go to the magistrate as soon as possible. You know, try to settle the matter as soon as possible, less than they take you before the judge, and the judge throws you in the jail, and you're going to serve out the maximum amount of time. And so, of course, the FBI start calling my phone.

Starting point is 01:21:24 The FBI started calling, you know, hey, this is a special agent, so-and-so, we'd like to speak to you, Jimmy, just as friends. You don't we just want to speak to you. And I'm like, I'm out of here. Are you a lot about you? We've heard a lot about you. You sound like a great guy. And so come meet us at the office.

Starting point is 01:21:42 They even wanted me to meet them in D.C. and all this crazy stuff in New York. And so I'm like, oh, my God. Like John McAfee's arrested. I'm the CEO. I'm freaking next. I'm out of here. And I remember two agents called my phone.

Starting point is 01:21:58 And they caught me off guard. They said, this is a special agent John and Jack, you know. And I said, oh, yeah. I said, I bet. I said, so I'm just. just supposed to fall for this? Like, oh, wow, I can tell people I'm a special agent, too. I was, like, joking with him himself. I was like, how do you, like, so how can you prove that you're FBI to me? I was, like, messing around with them. And I was probably high or something,

Starting point is 01:22:19 but they were like, well, we went to your house and your sister answered the door. I said, that ain't good enough. I said, what'd she say? She said that she's, she was told by you to never speak to And I go, oh my gosh, my sister, man, my sister, man, ratting me out. And so I'm out of here, man. And so I roll. And so I'm like, okay. And so I actually told the FBI, I said, yeah, so when do you all want to meet? What date?

Starting point is 01:22:47 And they were like, well, let's meet on Saturday next Saturday at the officer. I said, sounds good. So what time? Okay, sounds good. I got on an airplane. And I freaking bounced to Columbia, Medell, Columbia. and started doing work out of there, sort of doing some crazy stuff.

Starting point is 01:23:07 But I lived in Medellin, Nicaragua. I not lived there, but I was doing work out of Nicaragua, communist country in El Salvador. And then I started living in Thailand. So what do you mean doing some work out of there? What does that mean? Doing some work, you know,

Starting point is 01:23:23 doing some mercenary stuff. You know, there's a blackwater contractor. For the U.S.? There's a blackwater contractor, which is a very defensive contracting. You're a conventory. contractor for the state. You're not a mercenary, you know? Um, but then there's like mercenary and it's

Starting point is 01:23:37 more of an offensive role. It's more of a, a no joke like like you're getting paid the highest bidder, you know. And, and so I mean, it's not what you know, it's who you know in this game. And if you're an ex-seal or a special forces guy and you want to go down that dark rabbit hole long enough, you're going to make connections and then they're going to make connections. And then finally, how many phone calls is it to get to that connection? Three or four, two, two. Two. Two. For me, it was two. You know what I mean? It was two.

Starting point is 01:24:05 The further down you are, the more calls it takes. Yeah, I'm sure. The guy with the voice, like, hey, bro, come on. Let's go do this. And so did some pretty sketch stuff. But I lived there, Betty Ean, and then, man, I'm just on this sabbatical. I'm just doing, I'm just, I'm blasting Coke. I don't care about anything.

Starting point is 01:24:27 I'm just all this money. Oh, shoot, we, we broke up. After she used the power of attorney on me, man, we're done. Okay. It's over. Well, I know we don't get to know what he did, but I'm assuming he had something over her or convinced it. Like, there's something enough to make her feel like she had to sign her. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:45 So in the color of my amnesty thing, I can't say what she did. But, and I can't even allude to that because I wouldn't be amnesty. But what I saw in the red box that was turned in, you know, it was like. but I was like but but but amnesty was worth it to give to her because it gave me the relief of knowing okay that's why you did that yeah yeah and as you know people always do things in in return for for something for something valuable you know that was hard right and but but every time I would get mad at that I would look back at my own actions and I have and I've learned to do that I just look in the mirror every time I get triggered every time I get mad anytime somebody on social media is like me yeah yeah you know and says something. And if I do get angry, which is very rare anymore, I go look in the mirror and I'm like, okay, why did that make me upset? Is it true, Jimmy?

Starting point is 01:25:39 And if it's true, I need to dig deep in there and pull that out and say, why is that bothering me or why should that hurt me? And really, when I do that, I've learned that's a very cathartic way of just letting, and so very rarely does anything mess with me anymore. It's kind of a beautiful thing and sharing love and forgiveness. I have a lot of love and forgiveness. Don't. So, mercenary, sketchy stuff.

Starting point is 01:26:08 Sketch, sketch, sketch. Don't stay in school kids. Don't get tattoos. And then you go to Thailand. Why Thailand? Thailand. You know, every man's got to go on an adventure. Every man's got to fight some type of battle.

Starting point is 01:26:25 Three quarters of ours. And every man's got to rescue his beauty from the castle, from the dragon, slay the dragon. Slay the dragon, right? And that's why guys get in a lot of trouble when they go out through the wrong or right girls, whatever. But one of those core desires is obviously go on an adventure. So I wasn't done. Right.

Starting point is 01:26:40 You know, I was like, I had a lot of money still, a lot of crypto, you know, cashing out crypto, liquid aid, which is 10,000 here, 10,000, and doing my work on the side. So I had plenty of money coming in. It wasn't going to last forever. But I was like, I'm going to ride this like a Harley into the sunset. And so I just burn in. And so it wasn't all that fun, but I was definitely doing crazy stuff. Big, big, big parties, always striving at parties. And partying on my own, my own little parties, and then partying with a lot of people.

Starting point is 01:27:11 But I end up meeting my Russian girl from Moscow in Spain. Okay. For some reason, I thought that you were married to a Russian girl before. American to Mongolian Russian. Okay. Straight up from Changis Khan, yeah. Where did you go in Thailand, though? Is that? So I meet her in Spain, and I'm so fly by night.

Starting point is 01:27:35 We go to dinner, and she's like, I went to Thailand. I went to this place, Kongong, Kosovoi, Khoop, all this stuff. And I'm like, oh, yeah, let me check that out. And she's like, swiping her phone like this. And she's like, you got white stuff in your nose. I'm like, don't worry about that, you know? Like, I'm just a mess, man. Right.

Starting point is 01:27:50 On our first date, I was trying to look clean. I had white stuff all in my nose. She goes, do you have your nose? And, you know, you ain't lying to Russians. Americans are like, oh, well, it's flour and you're like yeah you know russians are like what the heck man get yourself together bro right drink some vodka you know stop snoring before you go on a day and so she's scrolling through her phone like this going through and she's showing me this beautiful island copan gone but it

Starting point is 01:28:15 takes forever to get there so i'm like let's go immediately you know i have sanax in my pocket i'm going to take them on the airplane asleep on the way there so we go to Thailand i live there for a while do Muay Thai. Now I didn't fight professionally, but I was doing Muay Thai, and I did not want to fight after that professionally because my instructor, he had scars all over his face. He had like 300 fights. It's crazy, like a fight every couple weeks in Thailand. I mean, they're kicking each other in the face. So I figured, okay, I don't want to be kicked in the face. But it was great training. It was great, great to be there. So I know my time is coming to an end. Every time I go through the airports, especially in South America, Columbia, all these places, Nicaragua, all these places, I'm getting pulled out of customs, you know,

Starting point is 01:29:04 and I'm always going as a surfer or volcano watcher on these different missions and stuff. But I get pulled out of, I get pulled out of customs, like, and I'm like the only gringo, everyone,

Starting point is 01:29:14 you know, like I was like the only gringo getting pulled out of the line. Sometimes the only gringo, but, but, um, I'd get pulled out of line

Starting point is 01:29:22 and then my bag would be taken, and then they would take my bag, the same thing every single time. And I would be sitting there in a room for about an hour, and I'd be sweat. I was just like, oh, God, I'm going to be arrested. I want to keep it cool, keep it cool, keep it cool. So they would always come in and I would just act so cool, so oblivious, like, yeah, is everything okay?

Starting point is 01:29:42 You don't know anything else? You want me to stay longer? You know, I would always play that game. And they'd be like, no, no, everything's okay, Mr. Watson, have a nice flight. It's okay. What do you think's happening there? So this happened multiple times. Later on, I found out that it's the freaking FBI, literally.

Starting point is 01:29:57 tracking me every single move, laying out everything in my bag for some reason, and then they would photograph it. And then because I later found that out, because the FBI showed me, they're like, check this out. And they just, all my stuff was just like, like they just saw everything. So do they not have you indicted at the time and they're just trying to gather evidence for and just gather evidence? And I'm thinking, they had you indicted.

Starting point is 01:30:20 They could just arrest you. Yeah. No indict me yet. They're just following me, just taking pictures of me, watching me. There'd be people that I'd run into a couple times too many in Columbia. It's like a big, Betty is a big place. And I'd run into the same guy, white guy.

Starting point is 01:30:36 There's not many gringoes there. And he's like, oh, hey, what's up, brother? And then he would leave his phone with me and then see me a week later and say, hey, you got my phone. I'm sorry. I left my phone with you. Do you have it still? And I was like, no, bro.

Starting point is 01:30:48 I don't know what you're talking about. You don't have my phone? I'd be like, hell no, bro. You know, I took that thing and dumped in the river. I ran into him several times. One time I said, hey, bro, I got to go, man. It's weird. I keep seeing you, huh?

Starting point is 01:31:02 And he goes, yeah, it's weird, bro. So I get up and I go to my place. And then I jahook him. I johook him. I just stop it on this dark corner. And he walks right past me. And I grabbed me. I say, hey, bro.

Starting point is 01:31:14 I said, it's weird. I thought your apartment was this one. You told me you live that way. He goes, oh, my God, man. I totally mess up. I'm just so confused. I'm like, dude, I got to get out of here. So I would move routinely like that.

Starting point is 01:31:25 whether they were cased me for drugs or maybe I was selling big dope or something there whatever the case they were they were looking for something and I was always uneasy I was as paranoid as John McAfee had become you know that stuff is contagious and so I'm just on the run I know that the FBI are coming at me what's happened with McAfee at this time Macfee's sitting in a Spanish dungeon a Spanish prison sorry I always call it a dungeon I mean he was in terrible terrible condition and shape you know there was pictures of him and video of him. And I felt tragically sad for him to be stuck in that prison. You know, after knowing him, after knowing how incredible his storytelling abilities were and how

Starting point is 01:32:08 smart he was and how much he had to give just to kind of burn in like that and be sitting in a prison like that, waiting extradition. And I know he was fighting his extradition trying not to be sent back to America to stand trial. well just like who is it the john dillinger went back to see his mom one last time they say all outlaws come back home to see their mom and they get killed or or go to prison right and so i'm like i got to go back home like i get this idea you know right it's not that i'm running out of money but i was just like i almost wanted to get caught i almost wanted to end it yeah it's hard to do what you're doing it's yeah forever unless you have an inexhaustible amount of money yeah and even

Starting point is 01:32:53 And then most people just can't break ties with people. It's just across the board. You can't break ties. It's very difficult. We're human beings. We need that connection, our love, our family. I had my mom. I know what's missing me.

Starting point is 01:33:05 They're getting letters all the time. They're getting subpoenas all the time. I got so many subpoenas. I got real estate agents sending me photographs of subpoenas on my front door of the houses that I own. They're just like like weeds are encroaching. I got neighbors sending me pictures. on my phone. I'm like, what is that? I don't know what that is. Like, you know, it's just crazy. So I know they're trying to get me, trying to contact me. So I end up going home to Dallas, Texas.

Starting point is 01:33:34 And I immediately buy a one-way ticket to Bali, an non-extraditionary country, which is there's no such thing. I say that all the time. There's no such thing. Guys are always saying like, bro, when you're on the run, you should have gone to a non-extradition. Stop it. bro, it's no. Yeah, yeah, they're going to come get you. There's, yeah, extradition. No, that's ridiculous. They could get you anywhere, anytime.

Starting point is 01:33:59 They just do a deal. Right. Well, my understanding, have been arrested with plenty of guys that were in their own country that are non-extradition, and you're a citizen, and they came and got you.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Yeah. So I already know, but I mean, you know, the thing about extradition is, extradition is when you call the local authorities and say, arrest this guy for us and bring them to the airport for us.

Starting point is 01:34:20 us. Non-extradition means they call them and say, we're coming in and getting our fucking guy. Don't come in this neighborhood. We're going to be there for the next few hours, no matter who calls. And they go, yeah, man, of course, of course. And they just come and grab you, drive you to the airport. Yeah, because they have deals with the government. Yeah. It doesn't, yeah. But, but, you know, people don't understand. They think they leave everything they watch on CNN and, and they think the justice system works the way it does on law and order. Plus, everything you're Googling, where are the top five non-extradition in countries, you know, And that's on your Google sheet with in front of the FBI. They had everything on me.

Starting point is 01:34:55 So I go, I guess so, but here's a problem. They say a Navy SEAL is avoiding, is avoiding capture, avoiding arrest, avoiding us. He must be a threat to society, armed and dangerous. And he's on the run evading, right? So those two things combined, oh, man, it was about to hit hard. Yeah, they don't want you in their country now. You sound like you're dangerous. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:22 And so I come home. I see my mom. I buy this ticket to Bali. I get my V's. I had to get some V's or something. I'm like two days away from leaving. And I go out and I go out and get coffee with my mom to say bider for the last time. And it was pretty heart-wrenching because I was sitting there saying, mom, you know, I got to leave now for a long time.

Starting point is 01:35:42 And God bless moms. You know, their sons are always innocent. They're always the best son ever. You know, they're like, I can't believe these pieces of crap are coming after you, Jimmy. I'm like, me neither, Mom. And so I stand up and I go with her. We walk back to her car. I can remember this piece came over me.

Starting point is 01:36:00 I was like, what, I take a Xanax or something? I had it. And I'm walking up to our car. And man, this SUV, this black SUV just pulls up and slams on the brake. And it dang near almost ran over my foot. Like I remember it was so close. And I thought, dude, it's the mob or the law. somebody to harm me or arrest me either one i honestly didn't know what it was and all i could do

Starting point is 01:36:23 was grab my mom and in push her behind me because there was a guy just he was hitting the window with his gun and he he cracked the door open and he said jimmy watson like real loud and i just was like yeah i was like yeah it's me and i just put my arms out like this flat out and uh and man they they just swarmed on me probably like 50 i always say 15 FBI just i think it was around 15 maybe more maybe a little less but the doubt The Dallas-Wat team was there, corn and don't off the old area because of those two factors, you know, armed and dangerous, which I wasn't, bro. I wasn't doing nothing. I was glad to be caught.

Starting point is 01:36:57 I was done. And so that was a big sigh of relief when they arrested me. And I go to, they trans, I don't go to court or nothing. They just transfer me to, I don't remember going to court or nothing. They just literally transfer me to the county, county the next day to FBI pick me up and bring me. me to the Burger King. I get this sandwich at Burger King. They said, we got to do this for you or we wouldn't do it, but we have to buy a hamburger for you here. Make sure you remember this. And I'm like, and I don't even get to eat it. You know what I mean? Handguns. Like, can you take

Starting point is 01:37:33 these handguns off? They're like, no, you got your hamburger. I'm like, oh, I'm like, dang. And so I go, I go, I get transferred to FMC, Fort Worth, which is a federal prison for all kinds. of offenders, you know, it's a, for medical and all kinds of, the Tiger King was there. Right. And so that was weird. I was watching Tiger King on Netflix incessantly, like, like all the time while I was on the run. And now here I'm serving time with the Tiger King to the next pod.

Starting point is 01:38:06 And my first four days were in the hole in the shoe because it was during COVID and I didn't know anything about the shoe. They're like, I guess we got to, they couldn't put me in a cell with this, this black guy. I don't know why. but they said, no, you don't want to be in there with him. And so it looks like we're going to have to put you in the shoe. And they were like, actually got concerned about it. And I was like, oh, what's the big deal?

Starting point is 01:38:25 So put me in there. I don't care. After four days in the shoe, I was like, dude, there's no freaking way. Like, I was like, what was that? All right. Like, I couldn't believe how inhumane it was. And there was a guy when I got. Some guy, yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:42 Bro, when I transferred out of the shoe, I'm in this big holding cell. And there's this black dude next. to me and and he's sitting there with his head down I go bro that was terrible he goes how long you do in the shoe and I said four he said four I said four days man it was terrible he was four days he was I just did three years home me and I was like no bro I was like no I said they treat us like dogs and I'll never forget he says no no no no he goes dogs get to go outside and piss yeah and I was like dang yeah dogs actually have to and they actually get more square footage than you do.

Starting point is 01:39:19 Bro, three years inside that place that I was in, man. It was like a basement. That FMC Fort Worth looks like a castle from the outside. It's like, oh, man, huge brick walls, scary-looking place. And so I go in front of a Texas judge after five or six days, and everybody's like, oh, man, you're going to be in the feds for a long time, brother, what you did. I'm like, oh, man, dude. I'm like, oh, like, I'm already thinking, okay, who do I got a s like, like, all these movies and stuff, you know, okay.

Starting point is 01:39:51 Like, like, like, who do I got, who I got to join? I'm not going to be one of these dudes that, like, don't join something or do something crazy, you know? And, and I remember this. It's for like, what's the charge? Like, money laundering or wire fraud? Eight felonies for conspiracy money, but it was a lot of money and it was, I was a leader in the order to, you know, I don't know, man. But I mean, yeah, but typically money launders don't go to it like. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 01:40:15 Right. You don't know that going in. I don't know anything, man. Oh, my God. They're going to send me to a pen. Yeah. That's not where you go. No, thank God, man.

Starting point is 01:40:22 And so I do like six days in this, like, castle looking place. And they transfer me. Oh, they, I go in front of the judge for the first time. And my lawyer's like, Jimmy, this is serious. You could be going to prison for 15. You're 12 to 15. With the money, I go, no freaking way, bro. I'm like, no, man, 12 to 15 years, dude.

Starting point is 01:40:44 I said, for what? Like, and I'm trying to, he's trying to explain these crypto charges and all this stuff. I paid him 50 grand to tell me I'm going to prison like 1,000 percent. Like he said, if you had a dice, Jimmy, I pay him 50,000. And the second I sent him the second 25 grand check, he literally goes, Jimmy, I want to tell you something. And I said, okay, what are we going to do?

Starting point is 01:41:03 Like, what's the defense? He goes, if you put a one on a dice with a thousand sides and you rolled it, He goes, and it hit one, you're doing about two and a half years. I said, what? Best case scenario? I said, did you cash my check? He goes, like, just cashed. And, like, literally cashed on his phone in front of me like this.

Starting point is 01:41:22 He goes, okay, you're going to prison one in one thousand chances. And I'm like, it's over for me, bro. You know, and he's going to be more like 12 years, Jimmy. But I promise you, you're probably going to get out at eight or what. You know, you know, I still don't understand the different numbers. It's like, but if you do 15, but the prisoners got it down in the face. They're like, oh, what did you do, man?

Starting point is 01:41:44 Okay, 15, no, you're going to do 12. Okay, but you got good time. You got all these points and all these crazy math system, you know? You're going to get this much off for the first chance act. Yeah, yeah, you can do this. You're going to get this much halfway house and ankle. Like, break it out of you in three years. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:56 Your lawyer's like still getting it wrong. Yeah, and they even told me when I first joined, they go, they go, did you, are you, are you chob? And I said, no. I said, hell no, no. You know, because I watched these movies and so. I'm like, hell no, man, what's up? And they're like, they're like, calm down, bro, turbo, you know. And I'm like, all right, okay.

Starting point is 01:42:14 And then I'm like, I'm in my rack and I'm like, hey, man, I ain't no child, Melissa, man. And he goes, yeah, I mean, they're going to figure out anyways, you know, on your paperwork. It doesn't matter. What do you tell me? I go, well, not that I am, but what happens to guys that are? Because, you know, why'd you ask me that, you know, obviously? And he's like, oh, man, well, you know, once you get transferred out of here into a bigger place, you're going to get up on the yard

Starting point is 01:42:39 if you're if your child was I was like dang these guys don't have a chance in here childless day it's over man that's what that's what they told me anyways man you did 13 like you're probably like dude this guy doesn't know anything about these feds

Starting point is 01:42:55 I'm like I don't know shit dude but it depends honestly the funny thing is it depends on what what prison you go to it does right it does it does there's probably all kinds of stuff yeah yeah like you could go to a medium you go to there are mediums that are basically like pins and there are pins that are run practically like low you know what I'm you know what I'm saying that that are soft like it really depends there are you could go from

Starting point is 01:43:19 Coleman low to like Yazoo and Yazoo's low is fucking horrible like people are getting there's gangs they're fighting but you go to Coleman Coleman's a soft spot I mean bad things are happening but bad things happen in high schools cold is like a rough high school you mouth off enough to people you're going to get the shit kicked out of you. You may get things happen at Coleman. But nothing like Yazoo. Yazoo just comes in. You go into Yazoo and it's like a who knows what could happen. You mouth off. You look at somebody fucking weird. Like just give him a dirty look. And five minutes later, the guy walks up behind you and cracks you in the head with a fucking lock. You never saw it coming because you know, you didn't, you just didn't expect it. You didn't think you were in a tough spot.

Starting point is 01:44:00 Dang. You know, or they tell you like if you were a child, like you can't go into the, the TV room. In Yazoo, they don't even want you looking in the window of the TV room. But in Coleman, they would try and keep the guys out. But every once while, they would come in and stand there and watch 20 minutes of TV and then they'd leave. Or, you know, it had like it wasn't a big, big, huge deal. Yeah. So, you know, and in Yazoo, if you're like a sattender, you're probably not walking the wreck yard. If you do, you better go with five or six other sands.

Starting point is 01:44:32 In Coleman, you can, these guys have, they have, they call, you know, chomos. They have Cho bands. They have Cho soccer teams. They have Cho. There's so many of them. Yeah, yeah. You can't keep them there. In the medium, they never leave.

Starting point is 01:44:44 They had a special unit for them. And they never left the unit. They never went on the rec yard. And when they did leave, they went to Chow. They ate last. They let them out last. So after everybody's gone, they go into the line. They go through the whole line, get their food.

Starting point is 01:44:58 Eat real quick. Go right back in the unit. Dang. Because they could be stabbed, yeah. Yeah, they could get hurt. nobody's necessarily telling them to do that, but every once in a while, one guy will wander onto the yard,

Starting point is 01:45:10 and it gets the living shit kicked out of him. And it's like, God, man, he just wonders out there. They don't know any better. They're like, well, well, why can't I go? Nobody knows what I'm sexy. I just got here. It's like, yeah, bro, they already know.

Starting point is 01:45:21 They already know. The guards might even tell them. That's what I got from my gist of my little bitty, any time there when I was sitting in the cell, the guy was like, do they know everything about you? The guards are passing off your paperwork. I was like, dang, this is a complex system.

Starting point is 01:45:36 And they research you out. Yeah. You know? So what happened when you, I mean, eventually you get, you go. What do you, yeah, what really gets down to it? Like you've got to. So they transfer me to upstate New York, the New York division. Is that what you were indicted out of?

Starting point is 01:45:53 Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, I was indicted out of New York. So, so they, they, I got to go standing from a Texas judge at Raymond to fight my case to stay or, or leave. And my lawyer's like, I don't know, Jimmy. You've been on the run. They're probably going to transfer you upstate New York, right? And to pending trial, waiting for John McAfee to come. So I'm waiting John McAfee to get extradited to lose his extradition case

Starting point is 01:46:18 and come back to the States and we're going to stand trial together, they said. Well, so I go in front of a Texas judge and he goes, wait a second. What did y'all say he was? He's a seal, veteran? Nah. He said, we don't do that. south Mason Dixie. I never forget. He said, we don't do that this south of Mason Dixie. And my lawyer is like, oh, this is good. This is good. And the DOJ is like, oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:46:43 Like, this is, cannot be happening in Texas. He goes, put this boy on house arrest. He said, you ain't going nowhere are you? I said, no, sir. No, sir, not at all. He goes, right. Okay. He's a $5 million dollar promissary bomb. And he said, you know, restriction, you know, ankle braces. It looked like R2D2 on my ankle. Man, when they latched that thing on me, my life felt like it was over. Because I was so free, I traveled all around the world.

Starting point is 01:47:08 I was selling it around Beezah, you know, mercenary work here, doing all this crazy stuff, this free bird. And then they just put this big, you know, modern day chain on me,

Starting point is 01:47:20 modern day fetter. You know, that's all it is. It's a big ankle mark. I heard they were getting watches now. But they put this thing on me, super restrictive. I'm having trouble sleeping.

Starting point is 01:47:28 I'm like, oh, this is terrible. And I'm just, I'm basically waiting to die because I know I'm going to lose my case. Right. You know, it's, it's like a 98% chance if you fight it. You're, you know, it's over. And your name's on everything. Your name is on everything.

Starting point is 01:47:44 Like, there's no, there's no trying to explain like, but I really didn't know that it was wrong. But because when they explain it to you, you go, I think I was wrong. But I, I wasn't thinking, because you're not thinking like that when you're doing things wrong a lot of times. Maybe if you're like plotting to go rob a bank, you understand it. bad. But when you're like doing insider Pelosi trading, you're like, you know, no, this is cool. Let's pass this law right now and make millions of dollars. Nobody will ever really, it's not going to matter. You know, let's just do it. Everybody's doing it. Right. That's never a means of justification. Right. Well, you know, the, I forget the, the Latin word for, where it's basically you have to have

Starting point is 01:48:22 knowledge of a crime to commit a crime. Yeah. That's, that's actually in the feds that's like not a thing. No. Yeah. So it's kind of in the conspiracy realm, right? Yeah. People are part of it. You sent a text message. Right.

Starting point is 01:48:35 It's like saying I didn't, yeah, I understand that this guy asked me to make a phone call or give this person money, but I didn't know that was a payoff for that person to go, you know, right? Yeah. Like I didn't know or I didn't know that was going to happen. It doesn't matter that you didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter that you were oblivious to it if you were, in fact, oblivious to it, right? Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:57 It's tough. I learned some hard lessons there, man. I started learning the legal system about this stuff. And I was like, man, life comes at you fast. You know what I mean? You just like Britney Spears ex-boyfriend that's working at McDonald's now, Burger King right now, you know? Right.

Starting point is 01:49:13 Anyways, so I'm sitting on house arrest. This is where the story gets absolutely insane. If people are hanging on right now, you know. I go on house arrest. I'm there for a year and a half. and I'm waiting John McAfee to return from his prison in Spain. I hear, okay, so I, all of a sudden, my phone just blows up at my house. And I'm on a house arrest.

Starting point is 01:49:40 I can't leave. It's really restricted. My whole, all these text messages, bro, you hear about John McPhee. Bro, you hear about John McPhee? John, man, then my lawyer calls me. And I go, what? And he goes, Jimmy, are you sitting down? I was like, oh, God, what?

Starting point is 01:49:53 He said, it looks like they found John McAfee in his prison cell. hung. He goes, I don't know anything else than that. He said, this could change things for your case. And it may not considering how long they've been looking for you and how much time they vested into your, into finding you and stuff. He says they generally don't give you a free pass because of this. But we'll see. I say, okay, you know, this is where. I lose a father figure in my life, although my dad was this loving, awesome guy, you know, big shoes to feel. I lose John McAfee out of my life,

Starting point is 01:50:38 even though we had some problems. You know, it felt like I lost this. You didn't want to see him die. No, of course not. You know, yeah, you had some demons, and yeah, you had some dark stuff going on. But I loved him for what he had done for me. If there was any good, like,

Starting point is 01:50:53 because there were some great times. There was some beautiful times, and there was some lows. and so to lose him, I was like, man, and then I'm facing all this time. And I'm facing 12 to 15 years in the feds, according to my lawyer and according to others. And so, man, I'm laying there in my bed one night on this little mat, my parents put out there for me. Super embarrassing. What am I, 40 years old now at the time, 39, 40 years old.

Starting point is 01:51:21 And, you know, I had all these dreams and aspirations. and now I'm just pending, going to this federal penitentiary, the unknown. I mean, it was super dark for me. And I mean, and after all my time, I was super depressed, and I just wanted to end my life, honestly. And so I woke up at, all right, I couldn't sleep. I just was up at 3 a.m. I'll never forget it. I just started crying, these tears on my pillow, and I just screamed out.

Starting point is 01:51:52 I remember my mom saying, if you're ever, in trouble scream out the name of Jesus, like in battle. And I had heard guys scream that out before, and I saw him die a couple in the hospital. I remember a guy calling out from his mom while they were working on him. And then a guy calling out for Jesus. And these guys literally died in the hospital in front of me. There was a sheet there, but you could hear him screaming. It was terrible.

Starting point is 01:52:18 A grenade went in their turn. But I remember just, if my mom was saying scream out, Jesus and so I screamed out. I said, I said, Jesus, I said, I'm not asking you to get out of prison. I know I'm going. This is, sorry, this is before I found out that McFeed had passed away. It's a little bit before that. But I said, Jesus, I know that I'm going to prison. I'm not asking you to get out of prison. I'm just asking you to show up in my life if you're real. If you're real, if you're part of my life, if you want to feel something. thing. And I cried out from the bottom of my heart, man. I'm not even joking you. And the very next day, I get a call. And it's this guy. And he's like, hey, you want to go to Operation Restore Warrior,

Starting point is 01:53:06 this nonprofit for veterans. And I said, who? He's like, you put your name down months and months ago, long time ago. He says, do you want to go to Operation Restore Warrior? It's a nonprofit for veterans. It's a Christian base, like spiritual thing. And I'm like, brother, I'm on a house arrest. I'm going in prison probably for 12 years, man. I'm sorry, you know. And he goes, well, we don't judge. You know, I was like, okay, but the judge ain't going to let me. The Texas did it.

Starting point is 01:53:32 The real judge ain't going to let me. He goes, well, why don't you ask him? He was pretty, and I go, you know what? I just cried out at 3 a.m. Right. Here it is 8 in the morning, and this guy calls me. So my lawyer puts it, my lawyer goes, okay, let me see. The Texas judge is like, oh, yeah, that boy from that veteran, this South Mason,

Starting point is 01:53:50 yeah, let him go for three days. God bless that Texas judge. He allows me to go to Operation Restore Warrior for three days on the ankle bracelet, all that stuff. I show up there, and long story short, these guys are like, you're ready to meet Jesus? And I'm like, bro, I'm like, guys, I'm sorry, man, but I mean, this is insane. Like, yeah, I'm not going to meet Jesus here. He goes, yeah, well, you're going to meet him. And he's going to tell you exactly what you're going to do for the rest of your life.

Starting point is 01:54:21 He's going to give you purpose. I mean, they're so confident. I know. And I was like, I'm like, guys, I don't know if you notice my skinny jeans, which are pretty atrocious and the ankle bracelet monitor that's on right now. I say, I'm going to prison, you know. I know you don't know anything about me. They didn't know anything about me. And they said, yeah, well, you know, have faith.

Starting point is 01:54:44 And I said, you guys don't really tell people that they're going to meet Jesus here and he's going to speak to him. I mean, you know, I was amazed at their confidence and boldness. and the guy goes 100% he just stared at me and I go I go okay and I laughed at him and so I walked outside with my ankle bracelet

Starting point is 01:55:01 I walked down this little path down this in Baltimore on this duck reserve it's a beautiful property and I'm walking down this thing I'm just glad to be out of house rest and I walked down this road man and I just

Starting point is 01:55:12 I cried out again my second time I said okay God I said if you're real if you're real I'm not asking you to get out of prison, not asking for anything. I'm just asking you to show up in my life. And so I go back inside and they said, hey, Jimmy, these two guys want to pray for you and talk to you. And they look like cops. I don't have anything against cops, but I was real weary of law enforcement by now and stuff. And so they sit there with their notepads and they're pretty prim and proper. And I'm sitting

Starting point is 01:55:43 there in front of them with knee to knee. And it's making me nervous. And of course, I ain't going to say, I don't want to say anything. And they're like, Jimmy, tell us your story. And I'm like looking around for cameras. And I'm like, I'm like, guys, I'm sorry,

Starting point is 01:55:57 but you look, you kind of remind me of police officers and I don't feel comfortable, you know, I'm not going to say much here. Just want to, and so I start skimming around my story, you know,

Starting point is 01:56:06 you know, being vague about my story, very vague. And this guy, he looks at me down the eyes and he goes, and I skipped the part about McPhee in the big ship-sized house. And he says,

Starting point is 01:56:19 you skip part of your story. And I said, I looked at him, I said, no, I didn't. Like super confident. I go, no, I didn't. Like bluff, you know. And he said, he says, no, you did. You skipped part of your story. And I said, no, I didn't.

Starting point is 01:56:33 Let's move on. And he says, was that at, was the part you skipped at? He goes, the love boat or the love shack. And he called the house that McAfee had was a big ship. Yeah, yeah. I called it the love shack. called it the nickname that I called it. And immediately, if I said something about you, Matt, that was deep in your past that nobody really knew about or couldn't research out or a nickname,

Starting point is 01:57:02 you know, it caught my attention. And I, and I stood up. And I said, well, I guess we're done here. And they said, where are you going? And I said, bro, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm a fragile man and fragile men do stupid shit and crazy stuff. I said, I don't know what kind of game you're playing here, but I don't know how you know that. I said, but I'm out of here because you're not being honest, and that was scary. It scared me, you know, it was scared me. I said, and they said, no, Jimmy. They said, sit down.

Starting point is 01:57:28 This is what we do here. And I said, and I just looked at him, and I thought, okay, we'll play this game. I said, okay, I said, if you know so much about me and you just identified a house, you were lucky. I said, tell me more. Tell me, tell me then. I'm not going to say nothing. If you know about me, don't, I'm done with this interview. You tell me the rest of the part.

Starting point is 01:57:51 And he goes, and they looked at each other. And the guy nodded like, okay, go ahead. And he goes, okay, he goes, when you walk through this door of this love shack or love boat, he goes, there's a jacuzzi on the side, on the right. And then you walk up these three steps, and there's a screen door. And then another door, and you walk in. And I said, and it was so accurate, I just couldn't believe it. I go, and that's not good enough.

Starting point is 01:58:19 He says, okay. and there's a gray metal door, and there's a fake door that covers it. There's an armory where you keep all the weapons. And I said, I said, okay, let's go, more. I don't care. That's not good enough. He says, okay, you go up the stairs.

Starting point is 01:58:35 There's an elevator and a cherry door covering the elevator. I said, tell me more. He goes, you go up the stairs, and there's these rooms, and he goes, there's these grid coordinates. I said Latin longs, like I corrected him. like ah you're wrong it was latin longs and he goes okay latin longs these numbers and these names tahiti thailand on all these rooms just like the love boat and i said tell me more if you're if you know so much tell me more he says okay you go to the third deck there's three decks he says and uh there's this

Starting point is 01:59:08 massive and he's like trying to he's trying to visualize this he says there's a big ship steering wheel that's what is ship's there and i go and i'm like shaking because there was a massive steering wheel in front of my office, like a real one. And I'm just kind of starting to shake because I'm just like, I'm like not in reality. I'm like, am I having a psychotic episode? And, you know, I'm on house stress.

Starting point is 01:59:34 I'm on drugs. And so I said, tell me more. And he goes, okay. He says, he said, it overlooks a sound. And that's the sound I told you about with Blackbeard. He says, and then there's boats that come up in a canal to the side of the to the house. And there was boats that would come up to the side of the house. And all I can say is tell me more. And I'm in his face. I'm probably spitting in his face.

Starting point is 02:00:01 I'm angry. I'm mad. I'm yelling at him. Tell me more, bro. If you know so much, tell me more. Like up in his face. And later on, he said he was scared, you know, because I got this ankle brace that I'm up in his face. Angry. I'm angry. Because I don't know how. These feel, this feels like this is like two feds that were in a raid that had gone in the fucking house. Right. This is two FBI. agents that, and they lured you to this place. Right. That's what I'm thinking.

Starting point is 02:00:24 Yeah. I'm thinking these guys are cops and they, they're playing some kind of sick game on me. And so that's what's going on in my head. So I keep telling them, tell me more. And I yelled one last time. I said, tell me more. And this is the last time I ever said it. I said, tell me more.

Starting point is 02:00:44 Like you mother. And he's like, he's like, there was a path that you used to. to walk down behind the house alone. And when he said that, I mean, there was a path I used to walk down and cry out to God. Right. And for some reason, that triggered me so hard, man. It hit me so hard that I just fell back into my seat like this, in my ankle brace and all and just snort started coming out.

Starting point is 02:01:12 And I just cried like a baby for a long time. They said, it's going to be okay to me. It's going to be okay. you know, Jesus is letting you know that he was with you on that, on that path. And man, it could have been a lot of other places they could have said, and it would have been pretty cool, pretty weird. They could have guessed my birthday. That would have been cool, all these different things.

Starting point is 02:01:35 But identifying a path that only I would walk down. Right. That they couldn't have learned about any other way. That they couldn't have learned about. And that was very specific. It wasn't just, it wasn't just telling me about a thing in my life. It was a very specific, sentimental time where I would walk down a path that I would look up at the stars and wonder, is there a God? Like, God help me.

Starting point is 02:01:57 Like, I was always kind of lonely and lost after some things in my life, traumatic things. And so when they identified that path, I fell back in my seat. They prayed over me. And all I said, all I could say was, I could barely speak. I go, I go, how, how? And he goes, well, he goes, I don't know how. He said, I just know that Jesus told me to keep answering you until you believed. And, man, that's what it took for me to believe.

Starting point is 02:02:31 You know, I don't know, up until the end here, it made me think of that. I'm sure you've heard this story about the guy who's in a town, the town's, it's flooding. You ever heard that? Like the town is flooding and everybody's there. evacuating the town and there are people driving the they're driving by in jeeps and they're and you know SUVs and the the military's there and they're like hey man it's a man you got evacuate getting the fucking getting the jeep and he's like no no god's gonna save me god yeah and then so then the water gets up so far they can't drive anymore and he's he climbs up on the roof of the of the church

Starting point is 02:03:10 and then the boats are going by and there's boats going by they're like get in the boat come on he's like no no god's going to save me god's going to save me and then it keeps going going goes up past the roof and he climbs up on the steeple of the church and a helicopter comes and he says and they're trying to lower a basket and he goes no no god's going to save me god's going to save me and they finally take off and then eventually it gets so high at it he ends up drowning and then when he gets up to heaven he says you know god i thought you were going to save me what what happened he goes well i sent a jeep a boat and a helicopter like what did you want me to do like that's like for for your story it's like there are all these signs and you're you're just going no no no yeah no way no see this yeah yeah

Starting point is 02:03:53 I mean what you expect they're calling you on the phone they got you down here that the judge sent you to the fucking thing oh it took so much for me it took so much for me but I I wouldn't dare I was I was actually terrified to say tell me more one more time it was like when he when he identified that path man it was game over for me because what I realized is no matter how how many dark places I had been, no matter how hard I tried to run for myself, no matter what corner of the world I was in doing mercenary, doing all kinds of dark stuff, God was chasing me down. Some people go, well, that's great, Jimmy, you found Jesus.

Starting point is 02:04:31 I'm like, no, no, no, you must have not heard what I said. He found me, brother. I didn't find him. He found, he searched me out from the lost and delivered me from a terrible pit. Yeah, doesn't sound like you found him. sounds like you were running from. I was running from God, but there ain't no, you can run from yourself, you can run from the law like I did, but you, but God is in every dark corner.

Starting point is 02:04:55 I'm sorry. No. Basically, directly after that, the same guy said, I see a chessboard, Jimmy, and basically your case, whatever case is going on with you is going to be dismissed. I said, bro, I say, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, but certain things happen. And if he was found dead in a prison, you know, and then all of a sudden, my lawyer calls me. And believe or not, the guy that revealed all that stuff about the house in that dark time,

Starting point is 02:05:27 he says, I got a word for you when I was leaving after three days. Bro, I left a new man. I was still going to prison. I was still, but I was like flying like an eagle. And as I was walking out, he said, I've got a word for you. Checkmate. I said, what's checkmate mean? He goes, just, just checkmate.

Starting point is 02:05:42 You know, it's like when you play chess and win or whatever. I said, okay, I'll hold on to that, but I'm going to prison. And I also heard God say that I would be a lighthouse into his people. You know how they promised I would hear from God? I actually heard that. Not an audible voice, I can't explain it. I just know that's what I heard, like a lighthouse. I'll be a lighthouse to his people.

Starting point is 02:06:05 So I go home, I think I'm going to be a lighthouse in prison. I'm going to be a preacher in prison, all this stuff, you know, because I'm still thinking along those lines. But when I came home, my lawyer calls me when I'm back on house arrest. And he says, and the first thing he says is Jimmy, a checkmate. And I say, I say, Arnold, Arnold, what did you say? And he goes, I said, checkmate. I said, what does that mean?

Starting point is 02:06:32 He says, don't you know? Have you ever played chess? And he goes, he goes, never mind. Forget it, brother. He goes, all it means is your case is getting dismissed. And I said, Jesus told me. my case was going to get this. You know, I sound like I went to church camp with mushrooms.

Starting point is 02:06:45 And I'm like, Jesus told me my case was going to see. He goes, Jimmy, he goes, man, I don't know about all that, but say a prayer for me because I have never seen this in my practice. As a DOJ guy or defense, I think, you know, considering your case, I have never seen this. Right. A particular thing happened where they're willing to do that. Yeah. Well, I was wondering, the death of McAfee definitely weakened their case to such a degree that it

Starting point is 02:07:11 it may or may not have been possible to even to prosecute you. So that was a huge, you know, that was a huge gain for you. But I've also, things like that happen and they'll still go, most of the time, they'll still go forward, but you'll get a much better deal. Like you're not going to do 10 or 12 years. You might still have to do a few years, but dropping it all together. Dude. So did the FBI ever come and say, hey, can we sit down and like and talk to you?

Starting point is 02:07:41 So you could just explain that. Because a lot of times they want to wrap up the case. Like, look, we don't really need information. We can figure it out. But they want to talk to somebody or that they have enough other people that they could talk. No, they had so many, man. They had everybody. My lawyer told me that they had, they didn't name any names.

Starting point is 02:07:58 But I knew from the stories that who it was coming from. It was coming from my ex, coming from some other guys that were. So they could put it together. I fired a lot of guys in McPhee. You know, he was always like, fire this guy, Meeley. He's dead to me. You know? And so you become the terrible enemy, right? So I was I was kind of an enemy of guys. And so from what my lawyer was parlaying to me, it was like, you're screwed, bro.

Starting point is 02:08:24 And I was going to say, because you're- And I'm thinking, what, they said that about me? I was so mad, man. But because you're- Betrayal. Because you're a bad guy. They've all, like once again, then that, that just strengthens the government's case because they've got, listen, I know guys that had three people got on the fucking stand. And they get, they get, they get, they get, they get, they get, um, found guilty of dealing, you know, a hundred, you know, a hundred kilos of, that they've never seen, you know what I'm saying? Like, just because three guys got on the stand and said, yeah, he was there, yes, yes, yes. Well, that's, that's, that's, that's what happened with the Blackwater thing that I was part of. I was part of the Neesar Square. And, and it's crazy, you know, when, when you start rising in social media, not that I'm famous, nothing like that,

Starting point is 02:09:02 but, but when your name is known enough for people in the airport to go, Jimmy, what's up, Touch Point Nation, you know, then people are going to look at you from your pass and say, I'm going to make him a villain. You know, you are what you say I am. You know, basically you are what you say I am like Buddha, you know, basically projecting, right? And so what happens sometimes is like the four guys that were under me for the Nisar Baghdad's bloody Sunday, they went to prison, right? What is that?

Starting point is 02:09:29 I don't know what that is. In Blackwater, there was a major, major terrible event where 17 civilians got killed. I was the team leader. I decided to go out that day. Now, I have a gag order on me that I can't talk about the actions. that I did that day or whatever. But the point is, is these guys eventually went to prison for 17 counts of violence with a machine gun, an old 1920s law.

Starting point is 02:09:55 This is federal to black war against. They didn't know how to prosecute these guys for war crimes. Now, what really put these guys in prison is Jeremy Ridgeway basically turned state's evidence, totally just like you said. Jeremy Ridget, this guy, he was, he testified against all these guys unnecessarily. In my eyes, it was unnecessary to do that to these guys and totally just destroyed these guys on the stand. Like, he did this, he did this, he did this, right? As a team leader, I refused to speak to the FBI.

Starting point is 02:10:34 They showed up in my house for, I refused to speak to the FBI for seven years. Now, eventually in the SEAL teams, they forced me by compulsory immunity. They said, you know, you're getting full immunity, but you need to come in and tell your story. Well, the FBI thought I was going to testify in a way that helped bolster their case. Right. Boy, when I testified under immunity, it didn't help the DOJ. it bolstered the case, the truthful case, of the Blackwater guys. Of course, I didn't see much, but it's all public record.

Starting point is 02:11:13 You know, but when you have a guy turned states evidence, you know, Jeremy Ridgeway, and then you have 50 Iraqi civilians that are flown in from Iraq and say all these atrocious things. And then the third and final thing, what do they call a witness that doesn't testify and defend himself? They call him a freaking inmate. And so terrible, terrible lawyers, defense lawyers, big money shot lawyers, giving these poor Blackwater guys that were under me. Terrible advice not to defend yourself. They just sat there for years of litigation in trials and just sat there and weren't able to defend themselves based on their lawyer's advice. And I probably would have took the same advice because, you know, what do you do when your high, you know, top dollar defense lawyer?

Starting point is 02:12:03 is telling you don't say anything. They should have defended themselves to the max. Well, they didn't. And of course, it was rife with prosecutorial misconduct. But after my testimony that didn't collaborate their truth, the DOJ's truth, they came after my seal career like never before. and the last time I testified in the Blackwater case, there was a mistrial, and then I testified one more time.

Starting point is 02:12:37 And that time, I was the CEO of John McAfee's company. And so then I'm wrapped up in a whole other FBI case. Coincidence, I don't know. That's the one thing I did tell the FBI. I said, guys, don't you think it's freaking weird that you guys have come after me twice? They try to bury me, bury me because of my testimony for the the black war guys. After my testimony for the black war guys, they literally sent a letter to my command saying I was lying on the stand. I did this. I did this. I did this. They were pissed

Starting point is 02:13:07 of me that I wouldn't work with. And so lo and behold, two years later, I'm caught up in a whole different thing with McAfee. And I told the FBI, I go, guys, who do you know besides your friends that you work with your colleagues in FBI that has this many run-ins with the FBI on two different cases. And they were like, we assure you, Jimmy, this is not related. And I'm like, well, I really pissed off the FBI. I did that, you know, did it. And, but maybe it wasn't related, but just very, very strange coincidence. They said, all we know, Jimmy is you need to, uh, write a book and grow tomatoes after this. Too crazy life. So I agree with him on that, you know. So do you, what do you think happen with him? Okay, what do I think happen with McPhee?

Starting point is 02:13:53 when he's in the prison cell. He says like two days beforehand, he says he tweets or something that he's like, he's like, if I die, he had a tattoo whacked, like I'm not going to kill myself. Right. Make sure everyone knows.

Starting point is 02:14:08 There's no freaking way he killed himself. You don't think? No, because, because I go back to my first reaction. Like when my first reaction to win my lawyer called me, I said, I didn't go, someone to kill him.

Starting point is 02:14:20 I just said, no way. no not john macfee the guy was an irish hard bastard who would never go out like that now could he have been severely like depressed you know he's not on any any any drugs or anything maybe maybe he had voices telling him to but my point is is um john macfew was a what do you call it a sensationalist i don't know if that's right well but he was a narcissist too narcissist almost never killed himself okay that's a great point a narcissist who loves a narcissist who loves loved attention from the media. So you find out, the day you find out, you're getting extradited from the Spanish to

Starting point is 02:15:00 America, you lost your case, but you're getting to move from yourself out in the media is going to cover you. It's a new place. You don't kill yourself an hour after you find out you're leaving yourself. Yeah, plus he doesn't know, like, this is what killed me is that, and I get it. Look, I get being in that situation, I know guys that got two or three years. years in prison and just thought their world was over. So I understand when you come from up here and you drop all the way down, you get extremely

Starting point is 02:15:31 depressed. But the problem is is that, you know, he had high-price lawyers. He had the ability to fight his case. He, you know, I would have thought that he would have come back, fought his case. Like if he was in the cards, then he would have at least waited until he got sentenced. And honestly, you know, the case is questionable. they may have offered them some kind of a deal. I know they're saying 12 years

Starting point is 02:15:55 and I know, understand that's where you fell in the federal sentencing guidelines, but most likely they would have gone in and said, look, you know, we'll get rid of this, we'll do that. They could have offered you some kind of deal. You probably could have ended up with five or six years, which still would have seemed like your life's over.

Starting point is 02:16:09 That for me would have been over. Right. But you would have been out in like three, you know, and you would have been, and by the time you actually got in prison, you'd have already done a year and a half. Yeah. And you'd get in and you'd be like,

Starting point is 02:16:20 shit in six months they're going to put me in for a halfway house like like this is not that bad and you would have gone to a low you'd have been the toughest guy at the fucking low you would have run the track and played softball for you know a year about my hundred manmakers a day yeah nothing that's right um but yeah but it's interesting how we mentally like well you know this you suffer more in your mind than you ever you suffer more in your mind yeah because because you when it comes in like a flood you you just seem worse so i i i you know that's why it's so important to talk guys out of And stuff. It's like, bro, no, think about it in a year from now. You could be with the girl of your dreams. You could be making money. That's why I do with my coaching program. I'm like, dude, you don't understand. You have a whole life to live. I have literally been, you know, pounds of pressure, you know, two pounds of pressure off of a three pound trigger on a gun. And I just shudder to think if I would have done that considering what my life is now. But no, I don't think McAfee killed himself. I don't, it's hard for me to imagine somebody going in there and killing him. But that's extreme for, because I knew John McVee, and I don't think he would do that.

Starting point is 02:17:27 I don't. Possible. We'll never know. Yeah. If somebody comes, somebody, somebody retires someday or comes out and says, listen, I was a part of the team that. Yeah. But. Yeah, but it happened.

Starting point is 02:17:39 But he was found in his prison. So I don't know, man. Yeah. Maybe he just gave up. He was hung, right? He was hung. I think with a rope. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:17:47 Which is funny because they're not extremely available in prison. Yeah. like weird, right? No, it's not on commissary. Yeah. So what are you doing now? I am doing, I run a full tribe. I really believe in the tribe mentality.

Starting point is 02:18:03 It's all men's group. It's men are congregating from all over. I got men coming in from Canada, Austria, Australia, but mostly the United States. And it's so important that we have a tribe. So if anybody wants to come in and have that life-changing spiritual experience, break bad habits, walk, wake up with a spirit of excellence. I do two calls a week with all the men there, and we've got an awesome networking,

Starting point is 02:18:30 awesome resources, and guys with guys that come in there, sometimes they're millionaires, sometimes they just got out of prison, we don't judge, and they come in there, and I've got all my mindset courses in there, all my workouts, my frogman warrior workouts. But the meat and potatoes, the most exciting thing I do is those two calls. with the group of guys a week. What are the people that are coming to? Is this for like business or is this people that are struggling? Yeah, it's people who want to up their game.

Starting point is 02:18:59 It's people who want to make more money. It's people, well, it's people who, it's men who want to completely radically do that, you know, I call it flip that switch in their mind to go from like, like slave servant, you know, always succumbing to all their fleshly desires, you know, addicted. addicted, you know, alcoholism to mighty warriors, to more than conquerors, through the power of God, waking up every day knowing and understanding. It's all a mindset shift, you know, understanding that you have a bright future. And here are the tools. Here's the way to go about it.

Starting point is 02:19:37 Here's the way out of this situation. And to lead them out of that storm, just like that lighthouse mission. You know, my whole mission is to bring guys back in to reignite. that fire purpose in their life to give them a new beginning, right? The whole purpose of the lighthouse is not to get them to a lighthouse, is to get them past the lighthouse to the harbors so they can, they can actually experience a whole new world. And that's extremely possible.

Starting point is 02:20:06 And we've had many guys, many guys, a part of the Touchpoint Nation now, have life changing results, especially when it comes to their family and spouses. What do you, do you have like a website? Yeah, yeah. It's Jimmy Watson.co. So www. www. www.jimwatson.co.

Starting point is 02:20:27 Or go to Mighty Warrior 24. My Instagram, social media. Come on over. You know, I've told my story many, many, many times. And I tell kind of a rendition, just like the lighthouse. It goes round and around and around. But really, man,

Starting point is 02:20:42 my mission now is to literally radically change as many lives as possible because I have a good memory, maybe not of school or this or that, but I have a really good memory of pain and suffering in my deepest, darkest times. And when I think about those times, you know, I think, dude, I know what it's like.

Starting point is 02:21:00 So no matter how good my life is now, no matter how much money I'm making, how well I'm doing, because I've been fully restored. My life has been radically changed with a beautiful wife. I've got a little baby, a beautiful eight-month-old son,

Starting point is 02:21:13 a big descendant of Changas Khan. You know, I've got all this, and I've got a lot of success now. coming in. I live in Miami, but I'll never, ever, ever forget those dark times of being a lost ship in the night. So the, I almost said chick, the woman you, the Russian woman, you married. Yeah, the Russian woman. In Spain, you guys went to Thailand. You stayed with her. Then you come back to the United States. You get in trouble. You go through all this shit. And she stayed with you the whole time.

Starting point is 02:21:48 She stayed with me the entire time, bro. No. American women would never do this. Never. You'd be done. You'd be done. They'd be like, you got to do 30 days. Yeah, listen, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 02:22:01 This girl was hardcore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go, oh, I'm sorry. Two days, you all the weekend. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got to go. No, this girl, you know, Anastasia with two eyes.

Starting point is 02:22:12 Don't ever make a mistake. As, you know, has stood by my side. I mean, we were FaceTime and at night in the morning, like on house arrest. And that really helped me get through the whole house arrest thing, a year and a half on house arrest. And she's been such a strength in my life, man. Hey, you guys. Appreciate you watching. Do me a favor.

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