Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - John Mcafee's Partner on Stealing Millions and his "disappearance"

Episode Date: July 6, 2025

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This video that John McAfee did for me right after I got arrested. He's like, Kyle was the smartest con man I ever know. Even the antivirus itself was a scam. He reaches out to me. He's like, listen, I need help. What do you think happened with McAfee? John was... I've always flirted with crime, I guess.

I had that, I don't know, that con man brain. I hate to say it like that. Right. You know, where I was that kid in school that never lived up to his full potential. I got decent grades, but I was completely bored. When I was 10 years old, me and a group of friends, we would hang out at the local putt putt in Oakland Mills, a neighborhood in Columbia. And come to find out later that the man that owned it was having problems and needed the insurance money. We were 10.

He paid us 500 bucks. We burned it down. We burned it down. But it gets better than that. How does that conversation even start with a 10-year-old? You guys need some money. I have this gasoline can in a lighter. No, I had gotten in trouble for starting a brush fire, like in the woods.

So you were known? So I was known to, like, play with matches. So, you know, we're talking to this guy, Big Rod, that's his name, big black dude. And, you know, we have a little BMX, Huffy Bikes. It's like five of us all together. And, you know, he talks to me and my friend, John, and he offers us $500. We're 10 years old. That's all the money in the world.

Right. to burn this thing down so we go at night to do this it's like 10 o'clock at night which when you're 10 years old that's late not it's not like 3 o'clock is now but we ride our bikes over to the put put put put some gas and do whatever we're supposed to do and then I think about the fact that there's 15 video game machines in there and we're about to burn this place down so we go back to the house to get pillowcases to take all the money out of the video games this is really important because This is how we get caught. Right.

So I have, we have the keys because we're going to burn the place down. And we open the doors and everything like that. Nobody expects anything. There's no police around or anything like this. This is 1985 or 86. And we go back to put the gas down to make the fire. We get the pillow cases. Go back to unload all the video game money.

We've got like, it's heavy. Quarters are heavy, especially for a 10-year-old on a bicycle. We've got pillow cases filled with quarter. We burn the thing down. The fire trucks come and all this kind of stuff. Weeks go by. They're investigating it. But, you know, we're 10. And we're in our school buying every kid in the school ice cream with all these quarters. And finally, one of the kids that gets caught, you know, why are you buying so much ice cream? Go back to a locker. There's a pillowcase full of quarters and the principal wants to know where we got the quarter from. And so that was my first

experienced with rats. This kid, you know, we're in the... Hold your mutt, how old, little Timmy? You're like a fucking 10-year-old gangst. In fifth grade, I don't know if you had any trouble in elementary school, but, you know, you're sitting in the principal's office all lined up, knees are shaking, the secretaries are looking at you like you've robbed the bank

because we've burnt the pud-put down. And, you know, he's in there. Oh, well, Kyle. and me and Sean, we went and we burned the putt, putt down, and we took all the quarters out of the machines. And of course, the police came. And we did a diversion, but that was my first experience with breaking the law. Just another, just another arson job.

Just another arson job. An arson job in my first experience with the 5K1, but it wasn't called that back in elementary school. What did your parents say? What did your nice Jewish parents that are adopting, that are adopting orphans with heart problems? I mean, you know, this is, they've had me for 10 years. Everything else is good. They already know it's a problem. You know, I, I stole 20.

It's not his first arson job. I stole a $20 bill from my mom's purse, like, when I was like five or six or something. You stole a what? A $20 bill from my mom's purse, you know. They knew what was coming. They knew that was coming. So I'm banned from talking to all these other kids and they can't come over and we can't play with each other anymore. And, oh, well.

But, yeah, that was my first experience with the law. I had a diversion. I didn't do any, like, juvie time for. that or anything like that. We had to pay back and do community service and pick up trash. But I went to a childhood psychologist and he said that by the time I was 25, I was either going to be a millionaire in dead or in prison. But by the time I was 40, I did almost all that except the dying part. Okay. And but it's, you understand it. And I think in watching so much of your stuff that

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and I talked about when I was in fifth or sixth grade I had figured out how to program the T-I-81 calculator to put all the answer to the test on it and I put all the answers to the test on it and then my teacher no this was sixth grade

the teacher accused me of putting all the answers to the test on it fuck no or hell no I didn't do that what are you talking about through the calculator at the front got suspended from school for five days screaming at the top of my lungs at the principal's office, I don't know what he's talking about. The answers aren't on the calculator.

I had done a hard reset on the way down to the principal's office. Right. You know, look at the calculator. It's fine. My mom swears up and down, cussing out the teacher, cussing out the principal. But I was guilty as hell. Right. And she just ended up, Kyle would never do anything like that. If he says it was, you know, not there, wasn't there. He's a good boy.

Exactly. And we have to go and do his community service. Right. to meet the community service people for the last lot where the arts in that he we're getting kicked out of the third school now and Kyle's still a good boy um it's I mean I graduated high school which was a miracle right but um and I managed to stay out of trouble for a little bit did you go to college um I've never finished right well I did you still go yeah I went to the school of hard knocks I guess I went to the school of hard knocks I guess you'd say but um at what point did you take the the what was it called miles bridge or what Myers briggs yeah i've taken the Myers briggs twice uh what is the Myers briggs it's a personality test okay and i took it like as a high school student and then i took it the first time i got into adult trouble okay and what is an tj which is uh extrovert um i don't remember what the

A and T.J. are exactly, but it's the same thing. Steve Jobs and Al Capone have the same one. Okay. That had the exact same score. There's a, I had done this TikTok a while back. It's like five of the most successful entrepreneurs in the world and five of the most notorious criminals in the world, all the same brain. Right. Well, you know, one, one little thing goes wrong and it's bam. It was most entrepreneurs are a narcissist, you know. Like, same thing with most, you know, most guys that run. Ponzi schemes or have any type of financial crime or have any kind of, you know, success and crime tend to be narcissists. Yeah.

Yeah. It's an issue. I mean, it was for me. I mean, this has been. I'm still struggling with it. Me too. So. I find that people forgive you much quicker if you say, and I feel bad for that.

I feel bad about that, by the way. I heard a lot of people. I heard a lot of people with the crime that sent me to federal prison. I'm trying to make amends now, and I'm being accountable in different ways now. But that's a whole different story. So you graduate high school. You go on to college, but you drop out, I'm assuming. So I took this whole different path.

I was sick. You know, I was sick with the heart thing. I had a form of childhood leukemia at some point. I was one of those kids, and I'm about to be 50. So I was one of those kids that was in the hospital. a lot so I had a make a wish and my make a wish wasn't to go to Disney World I wanted to meet the radio DJs because there was no cable TV and no internet back then so I wanted to become a DJ and that's what I did I was on the radio for from the time I was 13 until the time I was like 30 and doing I did

kids radio and then I did top 40 radio and then I had a career change but that was my make wish was to meet the radio DJ. He came to the hospital and brought all these records and we went to the radio station. It was a whole big part of my life. But all the while, you know, I had different jobs. I had different things that my scam brain did. I think when I was a teenager, one of the scams that I did, there was this place called Hannaford's. Where are you from? Tampa, Florida. You from here. Okay. So up north they had this chain called Hannafords. And I'm 16 or 17 in Baltimore And Hanifers had a triple your money back guarantee

On anything made fresh in the store Triple your money back cash guarantee On anything made fresh in the store Seafood is prepared fresh in the store So I would go at 17 years old to the store And buy two party platters of shrimp That were like $100 a piece And tell them absolutely no old bay seasoning

On these shrimp trays and I would, and this was before the internet and orders and computer stuff. So I'd take the shrimp trace home and I'd sprinkle some old bay back on half the shrimp and I made my neck look red and everything, went back to the Hannafords and got triple my money back on the shrimp that weren't supposed to have old bay on it. And I did this at five or six different Hannafords when I was like 17 years old. This was, you know, my first big thing. scam they didn't they just they just did it cut it right over right oh wow oh my god it said no

it said no no obey and here's old bay and i'm so sorry about that sir here's your six hundred dollars have a good day so what so after that so what that just gave you a taste and you thought me a taste and you know i always went back to something crazy like that um and then uh you know i've had a couple of businesses and and things went well for a little bit And in 2000, well, I did the radio thing and then for a while, I had to get out of radio in 2004 because of something kid called Paola and they were coming down on all the radio DJs and I was taking a lot of money to play a lot of songs on the radio and I wasn't going to go to federal prison at that time. So what is the payola scam is like for people, they're paying you to play. play their... Yeah, records.

This was big in the 90s and early 2000s. It was big all the ways up until the early 2000s. You could get, depending on the radio station you're at, you would get $1,000, $10,000 in cash, tickets or other, you know, valuables to play a song on the radio or get it onto their playlist. And then suddenly it became illegal and... It was always illegal.

It was how it was done. And then Elliot Spitzer, when he was the Attorney General, or he was the United States, for the Southern District of New York started coming down on everybody. And I had other friends that were at other radio stations getting popped off and going to prison and all this kind of started going to court. And I was scared to death, so I stopped doing that. I started working selling cell phones at T-Mobile.

And I was good at it because that brain part of me makes me a good salesperson. And I guess I caught the eyes of people that were in Washington. And I got to play with the very first Android phone, way before it came out, like in 2006. And I started a website called The Droid Guy. This is the true part of the story. And it was the first ever... Was it the other part?

They're all true, but this is converting to my... The whole scam part. Okay. I started a website called The Droid Guy.com back in 2006. It's still there now. I sold it to a Mumbai-based company, an asset-only sale for $10 million in 2011. And I took that money,

and I started a venture fund. And, can wait a minute, I missed something. You just went through something real quick. Go back. You were talking about how you saw the, you were the first guy to see the droid. I was the first guy to see an Android phone. So what? So your, your employer comes to you and says, hey.

I'm working for T-Mobile. Yeah. And they were the first carrier that do the Android phone. The droid. Okay. See, that's kind of important. The G-1, which was the first Google phone. And I said took videos of it with a camcorder.

Okay. back in 2006. And I got a website call, and I called it. It was supposed to be called Android, so I called it the droid guide. Dot blogspot.com. And it just, oh, my God, isn't this a cool phone? It does this. It does that.

I started making blog posts about it. I had the phone for about a week. It was a very janky-looking, almost Blackberry-looking phone. And we weren't getting the actual Android for another year, which was the G-1. And I built that droid guy.blogspot.com into what became the site called the droid guy.com, which was the very first Android blog in the whole world. And from 2006 to 2011, I ran that site. I left Team Mobile. I was making money, hand over fist, doing web advertising and influencer stuff and Twitter before it was Twitter with.

all the vowels, and then actual Twitter, and then I had Orca and some other social medias before these social medias that are out there now. And then in 2011, I sold the droid, I changed the site from the droid guy.blogspot.com in 2007. Then in 2011, I sold the droid guy.com to interclick media in Mumbai for $10 million. And that's where I got my money, all the money that I used to start my venture fund i started a venture fund and an incubator in alabama called the roundhouse okay and that's the scam that ended up sending me to prison right so how does that so how what was that what was the premise for that and from the very beginning was it a scam did you mean for it to be so you start like because i mean most ponsie schemes start off as like a normal really 99.99% of all

Ponzi start off as something that you want to do that goes off risk right this is a legitimate business and something goes wrong and that's where people get get messed up and there's two movies about me one on HBO and one on Hulu but I had uh I started something called the roundhouse it was one part incubator one part venture fund and it was a actual brick and mortar location where we helped build startups and what the the reason we were in Alabama was I was married to somebody in Alabama. We were in Alabama and in Auburn, Alabama. And they were one of the first cities in the country

to get one gigabit symmetrical internet. This is 2012. Before everybody, now it's 100 gigs, but this was one gigabit internet. And it was like, Opelike, Alabama, Chattanooga, Tennessee, Wilson, North Carolina, Kansas City, Missouri. We're the only cities in the country to have it. so and besides the internet opalika was a sleepy railroad town that didn't have anything else in it besides the super fast internet so i went to their city council

i got them to give me the internet for free i got this office space that was this old war wars that we converted to this 30,000 square foot space uh co-working space and in lab to do startups and we had people app developers come in it was a really thriving place for three years and we were doing venture funding for these startups well one year one year we didn't have a good any good startups at all but we had people giving us all this money and people started wanting to return and i didn't i didn't know what to do so i launched another spot and i was about to start doing a ponzi like i never got to that far so i had one spot in opalika and the other spot in mobile and the mobile deal was more cost more more per point in the equity than the Opelika deal so I could use that money to get these people

out. I didn't get that far because it all came crashing down when somebody wanted to see the books and realized, oh shit. So obviously these people were giving you money. What are they giving you money for? And how are you raising the money? So we were raising the money as a venture fund where at first I was the original pitch was I was going to raise half a million dollars at one point per ten thousand dollars and I was only going to raise half a million dollars worth of points so I still held so the roundhouse proper still held 50% of the equity in the controlling share but I ended up selling all of the equity and then I ended up selling a hundred percent more of the equity in the original location so I was way underwater

don't you know this is happening oh you realize this is happening at the time so not at first not at first what's supposed to be happening are you taking 100,000 and you're supposed to and you're funding these startups but they're they're not profitable none of them are profitable at first we're not expecting some big miracle but we're expecting one of them to hit and make everybody whole I mean that was the model back then for these incubator programs you know you invest small amounts of seed money into like 20 different things one of them hits and everybody gets rich. Yeah, yeah. Nine out of ten these ventures fail. Right. So, and we had enough in the pipeline that it had one of them

hit, we would have done good. We would have done well, but none of them hit. What are these startups? We had, um, one of them was a company that was using, did a first aid vending machine with a, um, a first aid vending machine where you could buy band-aids in a vending machine but the the technology part was that it created an electronic medical record that like if you the problem we made them we actually had the machine prototyped and um like if you went to a amusement park and and got a bee sting you could get like a beasting kit from the machine with the with the medicine that you need in a band-aid or whatever and it would make an electronic record of this that you could get emailed to you and also a coupon

to go to CVS to get whatever other medicine you want. And when you went to the follow-up, you already had the electronic medical record entry. Like, Walgreens loved it at first, and we were talking to them, but it didn't go anywhere because Theranos messed us up. I was going to say Walgreens lent Theranos, like $300 million. Right, and we were right.

We were behind them. They're full good ideas. We were behind them, so nothing else after Theranos got funded. Yeah. And we had gone to, we had gone, and it was on our,

Facebook, but we had gone to Johnson and Johnson about the machine and it had been on CNN and the footage is still out there. CNN and Fox News and all this stuff did, because the person that created it with us was a 14-year-old little white kid

from Opelika. So it was like America's story. So we got a tremendous amount of press. We had some AI stuff back in 2013 and 2014. Just a bunch of different technology. And Auburn University was feeding us so we had some smart kids that were doing some smart things so i had gotten

underwater um and the reason i got underwater was because i was only going to raise half a million dollars but we had i had done such a good job of publicizing it that everybody wanted in and so it was like oh kyle man i got thirty thousand dollars come on man i won in on this deal i want in on this deal oh man i don't have any more equity if but i can write you a check right now okay write it and so they wrote it and i took it right all right all right you know you want to write me at 30 time give me the 30 grand i'll work you in somehow exactly and this was like this i'm doing you a favor right this one deal this guy that did this one deal that i keep talking about when i when i talk about this happened at a bar in downtown up like at like midnight the dude wrote me a

check at the bar because he wanted in and this was because we were on TV with the kid so um yeah everybody wanted to we we i ever my ego just i didn't want to tell anybody no and at the same time you know you're just trying to help people out i was just trying to help people helping people i'm with you i hear you you're doing the right you was just on my your heart was on the right spot but i was i hear you but i was using all the money for all the wrong things no yeah that's not true that's upsetting i mean i had 24 cars yeah i don't know i don't know how this thing wasn't i don't know how it's not profitable the money's all going back into these businesses and what

my for my new ferrari's here okay i'll be right back when put it with the others well i have to have the blue you know there was some parts that were legit and then other parts like i have this this video that john mackafee did for me on ticot I mean, on, he did on TikTok or Twitter before he went to prison himself, where he talks about, right after I got arrested, he's like, and Kyle was the smartest con man I ever known. We were in a meeting and we were in a meeting. The smartest con man. And he was talking to the people that were going to invest and they wanted to see some proof. So he went to his office and made some proof.

I mean, that's what he says on the video. That's a great endorsement. That's exactly what I did. I mean, it's not, but it is. I mean, at the end of the day, it was like John was legendary in that. That's when I knew John had to go. Right. So I called a guy.

Barcelona. I called some guys in the Musada, I know. Right. Through my mom. So they just did it for me. I mean, it was a wild ride. And, you know, the whole thing, the whole McAfee thing. And the onset of it was a scam.

And a lot of people don't know. that, you know, we were running our, we were running a legitimate incubator. I had a ton of, I had 14 different engineers that were helping new startups do apps. We had moved businesses from other parts of the country to Alabama to have this high speed internet. We know, we, we were in a facility that was going 24 hours a day. There was a lot of stuff going on. You make a strong case for it with the exception of the 24 cars, 24 cars and three houses. And three houses. That's where you start to go. Maybe it wasn't run right. Maybe. It wasn't. It was terrible.

I'm thinking maybe management style was lacking. Maybe these guys weren't financially, you know, responsible with some of this money. Not a lot. Not a lot. Not at all. But just enough that would have made it profitable. So at the same time, John McAfee from the McAfee antivirus was starting his own incubator called Future 10 Central. He was doing the reverse for $25,000.

your startup could get his endorsement. So he would do a video for you on the internet. He'd do a commercial. He'd go to a tech conference for you, $25,000. But he also promised you all these services, website, build out, app development, all this stuff. So then he gets stuck because he can't build shit. Right.

At the end of the day, and I don't know if you ever got it. So he just hire some Pakistani guys? Right. Well, he could. But at the end of the day, even McAfee, even the antivirus itself was a scam. but so he reaches out to us we had met at a conference he reaches out to me he's like listen I've got these 10 startups we need I need help we need to get these guys out there why don't

we band together you can use my name and at this time I thought he was loaded but he wasn't he was broke so yeah we did this we took all his startups on too brought him over another solid business idea brought him over to opalika you know this guy on board he's currently going under he's currently going on And he's wanted for murder in Belize. That's a trumped up charge. Right. But no, that's what Dateline says.

He's wanted for murder. It's a Dateline. Now we have John McAfee here. I'm thinking, I'm telling everybody how great it is. You know, you got this pioneer from the internet, pioneer from this. And everybody's like, what are you talking about this guy? Did you not see this? And Dateline comes and shoots in Opelika.

And there's this, there's this. The guy, this guy of John Swartz, who's actually in my story later, too, John Swartz from USA Today, comes to Opelika to do a story with John called McAfee's Last Stand. It's on the front page of USA Today. I'm like calling the mayor like, man, we're going to be on the front page of USA Today, our town. We're going to, oh, yeah, that's great, Kyle. He's a little hit guy. Oh, man, that's great.

We're going to be, I want to meet John McAfee. So they come. John Swartz from USA Today comes. The story is still archived online. And we are doing this program with Opalika Middle School called the Young Entrepreneurs Academy. And our marquee outside the roundhouse says, welcome Opelika Middle School, right? That's what it says right there. And John does this photo shoot in front for the front page of the USA Today with two guns like this.

And a sign that says, welcome Opelika Middle School. And I see a sneak preview of it that morning, the night before it's going to hit the street. So I call the mayor at like 10 o'clock at night It's not good Like we have a problem man He's like what's the problem And he really talks like that And he's like listen

They're gonna put John on the front page In the newspaper from Opelika Oh that's great But he's got these two guns He says you know what Kyle don't worry Kids and Opel Boys and Opelika learn how to shoot a gun Before they know how to piss in the potty

Okay great we're good So so the story runs It's still there you know McAfee's last stand It's the front page of the USA Today and so you know we're doing this incubator thing roundhouse and it's on the news John McAfee's investing in the roundhouse even though he's not put a dime in but it's giving us more fuel right more people want to give more people want to give more people want to give us money

we're already sold out Matt there's no equity left but more people want in because we're all over the news we're on the front page USA today but nobody else really knows that but you right Fuck it. Give me the money. All right. It's all going to work out. It's all going to work out. We're going to have this one company.

All I need is one company to hit. And the whole thing is good. Everybody's whole. So you know exactly where I was going with this. So meanwhile, there's these guys down in South Florida in Boca Raton, Barry Honig at Larry Browser. And they're working with this billionaire. And they have this company called MGT,

technologies that's going under and they're pump and dump guys that's what they're known for if you google them so they want to run this pumping dump and they want john to be the CEO to help them you know because if they put john and they can pump it and dump it and so they fly these don't seem like the guys to get involved with of course not but we do anyway right way to shift this ponzi scheme into a pump and dump right so they come in a private jet to little to little alber and Alabama and they're talking $40 million to John and John's broke and I didn't know it at the time so he wants the money and and the the discussions fall off so six months later we're eating at this restaurant called Niffers and Opelike Alabama with a bunch of us and we're like how and John's

like Kyle how can we get the burying those guys back to the table we got to do something to get Barry back to the table. And Matt, I swear to God, I just jokingly said you could run for president on the libertarian ticket. The next morning, he calls me up and he's like, let's do it. Do what, dude?

Run for president on the libertarian ticket. Are you fucking crazy? Yeah, man, let's do it. And I had a guy who worked for me, his name was Drew Thompson, who was a political science major. He's like, Andrew knows how to run for president. Doesn't he? He knows the proper paperwork to file? Sure, he does, John.

We send his ass up to Washington, D.C. to actual file for John to actually run for president that first time in 2015. And so he does it. We announced to the press that he's going to have a major announcement, possibly running for president. Every network comes to Opelika. Bam, we're on the news again. Bam, we're everywhere again. And John McAfee is running for president of the United States. And what does that, does that get you funding of something?

kind of like, can we now start raising funds for our presidential campaign that we can divert? So we just have more, more, more, more publicity. I will tell you. Which means more investors. Well, it ultimately did. It ultimately it did. More people came, more publicity, more money came in. But not, this is investors in the, this is investors in the incubator and or both presidential campaign.

I was able to, I was able to be like. You see how big we are? We got John McAfee running for president right here out of the roundhouse. Oh my God, yeah, Kyle. Let's give you some more money. And he's an investor in the company. And he's an investor in the company. And we're nationwide news.

Everybody wanted it. We did our first John McAfee campaign fundraiser at Larry Flint's Hustler Club in Las Vegas. It seems like it's going to be successful. Yeah. It sounds like a serious campaign. We raised two, we raised $2 million in Bitcoin. And we spent. four grand on the campaign and i have no idea where the rest of the money went none okay you know

the rest of the money went to john but we is he still running around with his child bride like like the hooker child bride that he brought to the united states and i'm like oh my god janice what he's yeah he's like you die and john you know when when i was finally caught john called me um and he's telling me he could send me 10,000 dollars in a Glock. I had never touched a gun in my life. Ten thousand and a Glock. Well, you need 10,000 in a clock? I was on the run. Oh, to tell. We never got to, we haven't got to that part yet. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. So, um, all, all this hoopla and I, now, now I'm, I'm on a position you've probably been in your life. I need to do something because everybody's fucked up. So I got to

do something. I got to do something big. I got to do something right now. So my answer is to open up another spot in Mobile, Alabama, where I was raising at $10,000 per point here. I'm raising at $25,000 per point in Mobile, and I can in Mobile because it's Mobile and not Opelika. And we've had all this action in Opelika. Everybody's seen it. I'm raising money, $25,000 a pop over here, starting to buy the guys out in Opelika. And then they asked to see my books. Who does? Some of the investors from Opelika, some of the ones that put in a lot of money. And I didn't have a choice but to show them less like, you know, I was through. So I was like, oh, yeah, here, blah, blah, blah.

Oh, don't worry, I'm going to buy you out. I came up with some story that I was, I had a annuity come in, and I was going to be able to buy everybody out at around Christmas time. Of course, that time came and went. What did they say after seeing your books? To say this is an issue, you raise way more. This is an issue. We raised more than, don't worry, guys, I have this annuity coming

And that's what I told him. I had this annuity coming. By the end of the year, I'll make the ones who want out whole and everything will be right. I mean, is there how much, how many, how much money has been invested? Two million. Two million. And how much do you have left? Like 400,000. So two million's been invested. You have 400,000 left. Yeah, you weren't. So saying to them, look, I can, I can divvy up the 400,000 evenly and just your hit? No. No, that was more of a. It was a, yeah, we'll call the cops. It was more of a lot of a bullshit that I had this annuity coming about the end of the year. Don't worry, we'll have a meeting.

I'll make anybody that wants out whole and anybody that wants to stay in will be able to read, organize everything. Are these guys upset? Yeah. Okay. They're upset. I mean, is this, where's this taking place over the phone? Is there a meeting? Do they fly in?

A little of both. At first, it's over the phone. Then I do have a meeting in Opelika. How many investors are there? 70. 70. Okay. And more than half of it.

of them went out but I say okay you know fill out this form and by the end of the year we'll get you out the other guys were saying no I'm all in some of them are saying no I'm all in and so I've got this place going in Mobile which is three hours from Opelika and Obelika I go away for Thanksgiving that year come back on December 6th of 2016 because they've already called the FBI and I don't realize it I get a target letter from the FBI. I talk about, can you please come to the Mobile Field Office of the FBI on December 20th so that we can discuss these allegations? On December 7th, I left Obolike and never came back. I went to Texas, started a whole new life under an assumed identity.

Okay, so at what point do you make that decision? You get the letter, you read the letter, do you call and say, I'll be there? or do you just you don't even respond to the letter you just realize okay I'm going to pull some money out and is your are you thinking I'm going to start my whole life over again that was like is there a whole plan

no the plan is to pull the money out and leave right and start your life I mean I'm assuming you're thinking changed you said change your argument I changed my name and you know talk how do you change your name I mean I know how did you do it I used another name that I had kind of already gotten from reading books and stuff you know somebody who had died close to the name was

Jeff Sanders it was a kid that had died as a kid I had the social and everything like that you're the birth certificate yeah it was just in my back pocket yeah no everybody's got one of course I know that Colby's got two or three um um Nelson right yeah two two uh so so you go to you go to you go go to Texas and you, um, you go, you go, you get a, a driver's license. You get an apartment in this guy's name. Um, I bought, I, I pulled out all the money. Right. I bought a ranch out of foreclosure with cash that was next door to Chuck Norse. But I never actually knew Chuck Norris. I only saw a staff. But, um, so this is in Brian, North has been dead for like 10 years. You know that, right?

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I'm thinking in my brain everybody in the world is looking for me, but nobody really is. Right. I'm looking over my shoulder, but nobody really is looking for it. I'm petrified. So, you know, I had to go to San Francisco, and I ended up going up to, where, I go, I guess I had gone to Alabama. I took the train from Alabama to Chicago to San Francisco. Anyway, you know, I bought the train ticket at the last minute, and I'm in Sacramento,

and the marshals asked to see my stuff, you know, see my train ticket and see my bag and all this because I bought the train ticket at the last minute. I thought they were looking for Kyle Sandler because I had run off with all this money. But they were just looking at me because, you know, I had just bought the train ticket at the last minute, so they're looking for a drug mule. So they're willing to let me go. But rather than that, I get out in Sacramento and take a $300 Uber down to San Francisco. go because I was afraid to stay on the train um but you know stupid shit like that because

i had never been on the run before but i ended up staying on the run for 18 months and living just in that ranch in texas um but i was growing bored i guess kind of i was being on the run's not like a full-time job it's a lot of downtime right and like you know you start showing your face and wanting at least some semblance of your old life back so i'm talking to people and I start befriending this guy who owns this car dealership called the corner lot. And I know he's chopping cars up in the back, but it's not a big deal to me because I'm already wanted by Alabama. I don't go shit. And at some point, he asks me if I know anybody that can invest in his floor plan.

And I have this cash left over. It's my specialty. Do you know John McAvey? So, I mean, he only needs 50 grand and I have. it so i lend it to him um and i tell him that he he knows from for a long time that like the car that i've always wanted is as a gtr and i go in june of 17 i think it's june of 17 and june no june of 18 and one of those in june june june of 18 i go to new york i go to new york and he starts blowing up my phone talking about

I got the orange GTI you've always been looking for and he's actually got it sitting on the lot and he's sending me pictures of it you want to come get it blah blah blah you can have it for 80 you know it's a $130,000 car but I can get you into it for 80 bet I'm coming to look for it so in retrospect you know when I think about it

he's now texting me 15 times in one day about this fucking car and I get there and yeah the car's in the lot he tosses me the keys I start the car and then 40 people surround the car and I'm arrested. Now, you know, thinking back at it, oh, right, why in the world did he text me 15 times and one day?

Well, he's trying to get you to come up there waiting for him. He's saying, like it. So how did he know who you were? I told him because I was his friend. Like, I trusted him, which was stupid. Right. And, you know, they busted him for changing vins because evidently, I don't know how you feel about this, but changing vins is worse than any fraud we've ever done.

So the FBI comes to get him for changing vins. And the first thing out of his mouth is, I know this guy. Kyle Sandler that you're looking for out of Alabama that stole millions of dollars. I ain't shit on his vins. So, of course, he doesn't do a lick of time. And I, you know, I'm thinking at first, I'm facing 100 years because all they're ever doing

is talking about the statutory time on the news and stuff like that. But really on the guidelines, I was looking at 63 to 72 months. Okay. And I 11C1C to 63. I don't know what that. What do you mean?

I did a binding plea to the bottom of the guidelines, so I only got 63 months. Okay. on the fraud right so when does the McAfee call you up and offer you that was what I left on the run oh okay what yeah I could send you $10,000 we could fill in some of the gaps when I when I um originally went on the run in December after I got the target letter and like people started spreading a word that the FBI was looking for Kyle and he left um McAfee reached out and like hey I got $10,000 in a clock I took the money not the clock

right um okay how did his uh presidential campaign go he came in like second or third libertarian but that's not hard right i mean all you need is a little popularity i could probably do that right you can easily do that but a libertarian a libertarian's never going to win right no i understand he thought it was and he raised how much the very i don't know how much they raised at all but at the very first fundraiser they raised two million dollars in bitcoin i may do that actually right right I don't know what I'd do with Bitcoin. I don't feel like you can do much with Bitcoin. I don't know.

I mean. Can you turn Bitcoin into actual cash? I mean, I know you can, but what's the law? What's the conversion rate? I have no idea at this point in time. But, you know, this was in 2015, so it wasn't that bad. We'll get 40 people in the comments that'll tell us exactly what the conversion. Of course they will.

Okay. And they'll ask what your Bitcoin is, what your wallet is, so they can give it to you so you can run. So what, okay, so you get. They surround the vehicle. The FBI, is it FBI? Yeah, but with everybody, FBI, Texas Rangers, some fugitive task force or some crap. So they surround the vehicle.

They ask you politely to get out. They politely throw you on the ground, handcuff you, dust you off, tell you we've been looking for you. And what happens then? Like they bring you downtown. I go to the Brazos County, jail and then I'm in county jails and then federal prison until 2022 right so they they move you to where they fly you or drive you so where were you first sentenced out of so for at first

I go state side extradition back to Alabama so I take the extradite bus I don't know if you ever heard that but um it's not like transit and the feds you have to like stay on this stupid bus for like six days straight and you eat and drink and everything on the bus and you don't shower or nothing. And then I got brought back to Alabama and that's when the feds picked me up. The feds picked my case up when I got back to Alabama. And I was prosecuted out of Alabama, middle district.

Okay, so did you get a public defender? Yeah, federal defender. I mean, I was guilty as hell. Yeah. Yeah, I gathered that part. So you tell her we're fighting this? No. We're going on trial.

Let's just get it. Yeah, let's go to. trial i mean i have people that told me that you know my my um investment agreement to to a degree was rock solid i could do whatever i wanted with the money till the part where i raised like you know three times what i was supposed to yeah i know i've met a lot of those guys in federal prison where they pull out the agreement they there were their lawyer will actually try and fight the case like i know a guy that went to trial part of the strategy was using the agreement which stated you can you understand that you potentially could lose all of your money and he's like like I told them they could lose all of their money it was like yeah but it was a Ponzi scheme right you didn't invest the money like you can't rely on that clause when you're running a fraud that's the problem it breaks down had I done specifically what I said I was going to do with the money and the market shifted and you lost a large portion of your money then I'd be protected but you didn't do that right I just stole it all yeah so that

It breaks down and it turns into straight. So I was guilty as fellow. Took the federal defender. I couldn't have gotten sentenced fast enough. Right. So where did you, where did they send you? I started at Montgomery at the camp in Montgomery. After three years of having three cell phones, two finger phones and an Android phone,

the kid that fixed the phones got screwed fucked up in prison. And everybody at Montgomery at that time that had a phone. up in the county jail and so i went to forest city low uh in september 21 and then on christmas eve 21 i got another phone shot at forest city low went to four city medium and then um on valentine's day at 22 i went home on the first step act and then i went back august of 22 and came home on march 24th first first how was the medium it wasn't that bad because i was a decent jail house lawyer that had reputation for doing stuff so everybody just wanted me to look at their paperwork yeah yeah i was going to say when in your prison experience did you come across our kelly

uh on the on the on the rebound okay on the revocation so so you you okay so let's you got out and you're you go to the halfway house and how do you do you get out the halfway house and then go like what so i i i get out on first step act all the way but i was homeless so i went to to the halfway house for a month. But me and my probation officer didn't hit it off. And I was back in prison on the technical in August of that year. What was the technical? Disobey my probation officer.

How so? I had asked her to start a business doing prison consulting and post-conviction kind of similar to what we do now. And then a customer complained to her. So she told me to shut it down that day. And I didn't shut it down that day because I still had cases. in court and shutting it down that day would mean I'd have to leave customers in the large in court and I wasn't down for that and so she caught me still operating after that

and she arrested me that day and I stayed and then the judge what was the customer complaint that they didn't win a compassionate release that I told them they would never had it I mean we even have an email chain where I say they have no chance of winning this right and they still want to go for it so um that that customer complaint and got my probation officer's number, called my probation officer, said I was a fraud, even though two months earlier he had gone all over Facebook saying I wrote the best motion in the world. He's just very upset that he lost. And then now it found out that he's married to some other girl that was in prison, not even the girl that he was helping. So I went

back to prison. The judge gave me 24 months and let me kill my paper on that revocation. I only did 13 on that 24 on first step and then i came home back in march of 24 okay and then and i met arkelly i went i was still on management variable right from the medium so i had to go back to the medium so i went to buttoner medium one and then when my points went down i went to the low okay and that's when you met i met r kelly at medium one oh okay um how was that he was just a normal dude i mean it wasn't it's not people people that have never been to federal prison don't understand what federal prisons like you know that right that you know they think that oh r kelly is a chomo everybody's no he was just a dude just another block guy complaining and right and he uh he shooting the shit

playing handball and he had this was i met him when he was going through this thing where they were taking the money out of his books and he asked me to help him look at something that he got from the court about that what he they're taking they took all he had like uh he had like uh 50,000 or something put on his books, and the government took it all. Okay. Why? For fines or something? Fines restitution?

Yeah. Did he have restitution or just fines? Fines. Fines. I mean, did he sing karaoke? No. During, like, Tuesday karaoke? No.

We had, like, we had karaoke at Coleman. You had karaoke. That's cool. Listen, at the, but I will, I'll tell you. I'll tell you this. On that Butner complex, once R. Kelly hit, every female, that worked on that complex put in for over time over at the month. Are you serious?

It was like I'd never seen so many female guards in one place. Unbelievable. Oh my God, R. Kelly is there. Who was, who did we have? Was it Ronnie? Ronnie Bow. Yeah, that was locked up with R. Kelly somewhere. Yeah, this guy named Ronnie.

I think Ronnie Boe was locked up with him at the MDC in Chicago. Well, somewhere. That sounds about right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. what else what else so you got out they quashed your paper do you have restitution yeah okay um and uh so so at that point you start what you start the prison consulting business so i didn't want to do that at all this time i applied to 367 jobs and i couldn't land one job um i mean they wouldn't

They wouldn't hire me to work at freaking Chick-fil-A or Popeyes or anything. So I did a TikTok on April 25th, 2024 that went what they call microviral. It got like 9,000 views and that launched federal prison tips. Okay. Just a TikTok about being microviral. It makes sense for a brand new channel. It was a niche video and a brand new channel. I got 9,000 views on my first video that I put out.

Like that day. I thought it was going to look like millions of views because it was like, holy crap, how many views. Yeah, but that's on a new channel. It's almost impossible. And then to get, right, to get something like that. So then I just started making videos and going back to doing what I was doing in 22

with prison consulting and post-conviction work and stuff like that. And it evolved into what it is today. And today, federal prison tips employs eight full-time people that have all been to the feds. We've made $1.3 million in our first year. We do prison consulting and post-conviction, and we launched a nonprofit called 700 reentry center that focuses on reducing recidivism through education and entrepreneurship. So I've taken all the components that worked with the Roundhouse except the investment part.

There's no investment at all. It's all funded either by federal prison tips, people that want to be involved with federal prison tips as a nonprofit, and we rent office space to felons that can't rent office space, other places, other other places, desk space, office space, and offer like classes, real estate, credit building. I've got different people that teach different things to people coming out because I don't know how it was when you went to the halfway house, but I thought when I went to the halfway house I was going to get all this programming, but we really didn't get anything. halfway house for me was a bed and a bed a meal and a bus ticket and that's it that's all we got so we're going to do some programming and stuff like that and then the other side of the business is the media company that you know produces my i produce my tictocks and my instagrams and then we produce the tent toes podcast there and nelson works for for me uh he's our Spanish consultant but he produces honor among thieves there and we also rent studio time to want to be new up-and-coming

podcasters he said wannabe he said wannabe podcasters up-and-coming podcasters that have a justice impacted background and might not be able to do it somewhere else and then i was talking to you off-camera about um we have the we might do um like a studio space for hip-hop up-and-coming artists that also spent time in prison. Listen, there was a guy. I'm going to say his name.

Boy, yes, would be mad. My wife would be like, don't say his name. Bobby. Bobby was a four, this is when I was in prison, 40-year-old white guy with dreads. Okay.

And I mean, he would sit at his locker and sing, and he rapped and everything. and guys are this would be like like shut up what are you doing like what are you doing what you mean about i'm rapping my i wrote this new song i'm trying to get get it right and this and that it's like what are you going to do when you get out i'm going to do this i'm going to be a rapper you're going to be a 40 year old white guy rapper like bobby that's not going to happen you know and it was like i mean maybe it will maybe it will but he no i'm telling you i'm telling

you bobby works for a pool company now i'm putting in pools which i'm sure he amazing at um but yeah bobby was he drove me nuts for fucking a year or two right he was like my neighbor he was like caddy corner to me listening to this guy rap the whole time then i was in the halfway house with him but the same guy that's same guy bobby i remember one day i went to went to work and came back and when i came back i had texted jess and i said hey do you want to have dinner when I get back you want to eat together right and she's oh no I got to get up early tomorrow I'm tired I'm just going to bed and when I came back from work the halfway house I walk in and I look up she's sitting at a table with Bobby talking to Bobby and I was just like

I looked up and went and just walked got my food turner didn't look up again went to my cell and you know so to this day she'll be like and I knew like he wouldn't stop talking and I wanted to go to bed he kept talking then when i looked up and i saw you i thought oh man he's gonna be i like bobby i like bobby at all very upset you you you spark the whole thing with the whole bobby thing now i got the whole rapper there's people like that that want to that want to rap that what bobby would have probably been all over the uh let me let me go in and and let me spit a verse spit some some these these rap that or is it a spit a verse that he's been working on He had a whole, he had a whole, he had a whole, he had a whole book full of songs.

He'd been writing and doing any of them. He got out. He started working for a pool company still working for him. We see his post. He's got him on Facebook. So I, uh, I tried to do something different on social than most of the prison creators that, you know, talk about prison so tough. We beat up all the chomos and we do this and we do that.

Right. And I try and do like real world. What? Yeah. Most of the, most of the prison creators. They're like, I'm so tough. I'm so tough. We kill all the chomos.

And if you have bad paper, we're going to kill you. J.D. Delay. And all those guys. JD's very, he's very upset. He's very upset about the shows. He's really, he's giving them hell. But, you know, everything I say, every video I do is grounded in some actual content that hopefully will help somebody. And we have a pretty tight community.

I do lives all the time. there's a few hundred to a thousand people a night, and half of them are on Jackson prison. I have a cult following in the federal prison system. I do. Doesn't sound good. Like, Nelson takes phone calls for us in Spanish, but half the people that call them are on cell phones.

But they need help with stuff, so we help them. Okay. Well, we need to... One point in your story, it says you were an ex-Google exec. Why did people think that? So that was part of my lie that helped facilitate the roundhouse. The, being the droid guy and doing the droid guy.com, I was heavily involved in Android, and I was always invited to events at Google. So I had a ton of pictures of me at Google on my Facebook from different times I've been to Google.

So somebody at one point, while I was doing the Roundhouse, said, hey, did you work at Google? And I kind of just went with it. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't your fault. It was my fault. I completely lied. But I lied and said, yeah, I did. There's all these pictures. I believe.

I know. I understand. They forced this on me. Go ahead. No, but I mean, you know, I had all these. Google exec. Well, I happen to be a Google exec. I am now.

Would you like to invest in Google? No, it wasn't like, do you want to invest in Google? I was actually with somebody who his scam was he sold Twitter stock that he didn't actually own. Tens of millions of dollars of Twitter stock that he didn't actually own. And then he went, he came home. and came on my podcast, on my first podcast, when I was with Beyond the Narrative. And two months later, after the podcast,

he's back in federal prison for selling personal protective equipment, again, that he'd never owned. How do you sell stock and that you don't own? You create a certificate, and he had enough people to believe that he could get to stock and send to certificates. He forged certificates for Twitter Okay

I don't really know how it works I mean I don't know how it works either But that's what he did And then he ended up federal prison He ended up in federal prison Got home And then he sold PPE

That he never actually owned And he's back in federal prison He's at Miami now What's PPP? What's PPP? Like masks and gloves And gowns and shit during COVID Okay

Yeah I knew a guy that ran kind of a stock fraud where he was people were investing in a um some kind of a a basically a pool it was a pool of stock and you could invest in it and he was telling everybody that the stock what that the bulk of the stock was made up of like 711 you know shares of 711 shares of apple shares of but the truth is that was like three or four percent of the stock. And it was also, it was basically made of just kind of junk. Right. And people were investing in it because he would advertise, you know, all this other stocks. Have a piece of 7-Eleven. Yeah, yeah. Have a piece of it. There's all these major companies. The truth is it was a very

small percentage. And he raised a ton of money. And of course, it lost money. But he would make money every time you bought into it. He would take money. And there's a lot of stock scams out there. Yeah. Just got to go to somebody legit, I guess, somebody who's established. So now I get to make some of the wrongs right because I'm actually helping people. I've got this one guy who invested in my roundhouse scam, $350,000. He was one of the highest individual guys in my roundhouse scam, and he refused to go on my victim's list. And I thought that was weird at first, but now, I mean, we're friends again. And he told me the reason that he refused to go on the victim list is because he said he wants his money back.

Right. And he said, if he goes on the victims list, he's never going to get his money back. He knows that one day, hopefully, I'll be able to straighten it out and do some good and make some money. And then we're going to do something. But now, you know, he's got all these other guys that are helping me, you know, our accountings right, and I'm able to focus on what we're doing, which is actually helping people. No more cars. No more.

Just the regular amount of. cars, you know. What's the regular about? Two. Two. Yeah, I don't have a car. But, no, I mean, like, we're helping a lot of people understand the ins and outs of federal prison and what's going on and how to get their first, helping people get their first

step time, helping them adjust to the halfway house. We employ, like, the prerequisite to work for me is that you had to have done time. So I've got these eight guys. that work for me that have all done time, they're all full time, you know, they're making good money. And, you know, got people depending on me,

so I've got to keep it on the straight and arrow. And I'm actually, I stay tremendously busy because there's so many freaking people out there that are just blindsided by the system. All right. What do you think happen with McAfee? What do I think happen?

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that he offed himself because, you know, we're too narcissistic to off ourselves. but just you know he was in prison in Barcelona it's not like out here you know I mean it's like the cells are like like half the size of ourselves here you know you got to be a freaking midget to offer yourself in a cell like that the way that they're saying that he did it and also at at the end of the day you know they're talking 40 million dollars in supposed fraud but the actual

actual loss was like a million or something so you're looking at like the 63 months which he would have gotten the jail credit for in Barcelona. He'd have done a year at the most in a camp. No way that he would off himself. Take your free ride back to the United States. Do your year and be done with it. So why do you think, so why would someone else unalive him? Like what was your thought on who would be a part of that?

There's two theories in my head. One of them is that he had it out for the Belizeian government. Like, one of the things that he actually did was, you know, he had to pay a VIG to be down there. And so he re-outfitted their entire government with new computers with tracking software. So he knows some of the shit that was going on down there that wasn't supposed to. He knows if he didn't really unalive the guy that they say he did, then he probably knows who did. And then also there was, he was always thinking that the CIA and was after him for exposing secrets or for knowing too much information. So you think it was either the Belize CIA or the American CIA that might have ended his, shortened his...

Or he went sideways on somebody in Barcelona and we'll never know the truth, but there's no way that he offed himself, just like Epstein didn't. What do you think? That's a good ending, because I'm going to probably include that in the title. So I got one for you. We're still rolling for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one for you. Um, you're very open about the fact that you told.

Yeah. So on our podcast, we're talking a lot about 1090 Jake. And 1090 Jake is this guy on YouTube who's made all his money by outing people that told. Okay. And he, he told. So it's just like, the thing is like, um, he made all this, all, he's 1090 Jake on YouTube. Look him up. He's like millions.

I've heard it. I've heard the name. Millions and millions of followers. He talks about how he was in this. gang in the state system we just had dinner with somebody last night who was very prominent in the state system never heard of him um that he did you know he supposedly went to prison in florida for three years on his second offense for uh uh a home invasion with a gun where he ended up stealing other sorry firearms um and they only gave him three years so you know when you look There's a lot of redacted things in his paperwork.

And it's a state thing, so it's not like the feds. So we automatically know in 5Ks and all this. But I think there's a huge difference between making your fortune by, or you're making your name on the internet by outing people who told when you, yourself told and you like, I didn't tell. I didn't tell. Then somebody like you or others that I know that it was like, yeah, man, fuck it. I, you know, what did you, when you do?

I saved half my life by doing this. Right. So it's no big deal, but, you know, I feel like you know what you're dealing with when you, when you own something, you know. Right. So he, he, his program, so his whole thing is that he didn't cooperate, but he outs people that did. Right. But, in fact, did cooperate. So there's just, oh, you, I mean, are you, and you're positive about you?

We're 100% on. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, I can't imagine you were part of a home evasion. You got three years. Like, that alone tells me like that there's just no fucking. In the state of Florida. Because everybody knows Florida's just as diehard as about shit as fences. Yeah, yeah. They'll crush it. That's, that's probably at minimum. I can't imagine you're doing less than 10 to 15. Right. You know, on a home invasion. With a weapon. Yeah. Did you touch, you know, did you touch anybody? Do you see what I'm saying? Like, did you actually physically grab someone? Now you're really in fucking problem. Right. But then also, he stole more weapons. During the home invasion. So that's a, that's a, but anyway, I didn't know if you knew him or he was, no, I mean, I've heard of it. I didn't know what his, I didn't know, I don't know anything about it, but I've heard the term, just because people in the comments will say something about 1090 Jake and I've, I've heard the term. I've probably seen his stuff on. Well, I think he's like Tampa guy, right?

He's here in Tampa. Yeah, so people, I know Bean Shooter, the first time I heard about him was from Bean Shooter. Oh, yeah. But so like the thing is when we're, when there's a lot of people talking about 1090 Jake and how, how, you know, he told, but yet he's made all this money. off telling there are people that are like well Matt Cox told but everybody's like well Matt Cox is says he told yeah there's no

there's no shame in your game you did it it's it's there damn 12 years off my sentence I'd do it again I wish I done it faster faster I mean I'm embarrassed that I couldn't tell quick enough I should have stayed I shouldn't have gone on the run I should have stayed in Florida and fucking told on everybody we wouldn't even be here right now

probably owned a car dealership somewhere right um but yeah actually yeah bean shooter was like you should contact We should have him on the show. We were going to do that. I never did that. Damn.

Maybe you should have him on the show. Bean Shooter said all of his buddies give him shit for being on the show. What do you fucking talk to that guy? If I was a fucking ride. He's like, yeah, he's all right. He doesn't bother me. And Vlad, too, man. Everybody talking about Vlad being the police.

Oh, yeah. Apparently, you know, which I don't even get that because it's because multiple people have been on Vlad's channel. And during their interview, they've ended up revealing something in an investigative. where the law enforcement didn't have all the information. And now they do. And then they just heard it from this guy. He just went on a podcast, told it. And then they reviewed it.

And they were like, oh, my gosh, this guy was here. He just admitted this or admitted that. And then they re-investigate the whole thing. And they come and they arrest the guy. And then people say stuff about Vlad. Well, what did Vlad do? It was like, you came on the podcast. I asked you a fucking question.

You think that the cops don't watch these things? Yeah, you're right. When I first went on concrete, which was a, it's now, Danny Jones. My probation officer, oh, and during the course of first or second time I went on there, I mentioned my probation officer. And she called me, when she came by, she came by my house and said, listen, she said, I watched your interview on concrete. I went, oh, I said, how'd you see that? She said, well, we're subscribed. A bunch of us are subscribed. She's because this guy has, he has people that are on probation. She's like on the show all the time, you know, this is back when

He did a lot of guys that were criminals. And she said, I watched your thing. She said, Mr. Cox, she said, I have no desire to be famous. And I was like, what are you talking about? She said, you mentioned me on the podcast. I said, oh, I did not use your name. She said, you mentioned my first name. She said, I don't want to be mentioned.

I don't want to be famous. I don't. And I was like, okay. But you see what I'm saying? They watched those things. I didn't even remember talking about mentioning her. Right. But, you know, these guys watch.

And even if they don't, somebody might watch it and be like, hey, wait a minute. You know, I remember this crime. This guy just talked about the crime. And they might contact the detectives. Like, it doesn't mean that Vlad had anything to do with anything. So you're going on Ian Bick, what, next week? Oh, yeah. Ian Bick next Tuesday?

Next Tuesday. Good times. Have you been there? Nope. That'll be the first time. Okay. He's got a huge building that he's. or a huge office space that he rented.

And I mean, I forget that he, the, how much he paid for it. He, he told me and I thought, are you fucking serious? I mean, the amount of, now it's kind of cut up. It's not like a big, big square or rectangle. Like, it's like you go up these stairs, you go up here. Here's a whole other 800 square feet. You know, go up here, walk over here. Here's 500 square feet.

You go, you know, so it's kind of cut up, but it's all kind of connected. but it's the the amount of square footage is outrageous that he has at his disposal and he's he's got all multiple rooms to do different podcasts and he's got another area where you sit and watch like he's got it's a good set up it's a little cut up but for the amount of money he's paying it's it's like what a deal um but uh i was going to say so you're going on so what was the what was the rift what was the deal what happened you had a beef you had a beef What was the beef? So I guess I didn't

I can take it back to the beef and then how it resolved. So, you know, we do prison consulting to a lot of people. We do about 5 million views 5 million views per month across instant TikTok and we get hundreds of calls a day.

And Ian does these videos where he talks about having to pay for protection at Fort Dix Lowe. Now I know people that have been to Fort Dix Lowe and didn't have to pay lower camp at the low at the low and i know the lows run a little bit you know a little bit tight like a medium i've heard that before and i've heard that from several people but if you if you you know keep your head down be respectful and mind your own business you're not going to have to pay anybody

for protection usually and that's what i say i always say so i get this this doctor he calls me up and he's gets a a letter from the u.s marshals he needs to self-surrender at fort dix low and he's watched Ian Bick now, evidently, and he calls me freaking out saying, how much do I need to save to pay for protection

when I get to Fort Dix Lowe? Send me $500 a month and I'll take out. No, I's like, you don't have to, Doc, you don't have to pay for protection at Fort Dix Lowe. Am Bick's got a lot more followers than you

and he says, you have to pay for protection at Fort Dix Lowe. No, you don't have to pay for protection. protection at Fort Dix Lowe. Ian made himself a target at Fort Dix Lowe, and you have to pay for protection if you make yourself a target. Well, how do he make himself a target?

I don't want to do the same thing. So, you know, I explain that to him, but at the same time, I'm like, dude, you, you know, you go out there, you make everybody think you have to pay for protection. I had to, you know, one of the videos, I had to pay for protection, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, he does a lot of these, he took some of that space you talk about. he made this really cool prison cell that they cut they cut skits out of and they're cute they're cute little skits I guess but he does a lot of skits wearing the orange jumpsuit and you know that anne's never done any county time right he's never worn an orange jumpsuit right he's only done fed time and not even at the MDC in Brooklyn did he wear an orange jumpsuit so I mean just you know you've got this huge like like me and like I mean I have you you have this responsibility to be authentic, at least, I think, you know, and I felt that wasn't very authentic. And so, yeah, I called him out. And then, you know, did you do a, what did

you do, a TikTok? I did a couple TikToks. And then, you know, JD swears by everything Ian says about the feds. Okay. And JD's never done a lick of Fed time. Right. And, and it's some things wrong about the feds and so i would say so having gone from a medium for three years and being at nine years in the low in a low in a federal medium and a federal low yeah yeah so it's like why is jd taking everything that ian says about the feds his gospel because it's making him look like an idiot like one of the one of the videos jd did was he he saw this this other creator say that 50 cent bought the halfway house that big meech is at well First off, $0.50. First off, Big Meach is not at the halfway house. He's on home confinement. He's assigned to the RRM, but it's the RRM in Miami. And the RM in Miami's dismiss. And it's a nonprofit. And you have to be a nonprofit to eat. No individuals buying a federal halfway house in the entire country. So that's bullshit. And then, you know, so I railed on them a little bit. And there was this beef going back and forth.

And I guess it all kind of started because we both did Generation Hustle at the same time. And we both, we started on TikTok at the exact same time. But I went back to prison and he blew up. But there was like no, I do a whole different thing than he does. But we squashed it. This is more entertainment based, right? So I get the, he built the cell. He's wearing an orange jumpsuit because he knows that's what people, he knows, you know what I'm saying.

Like, so I could see him, I could see him doing that. not trying to say, hey, this is authentic, but more saying this is what people think of prison and I want to get the views. So I want them to know when they see me in orange that this is about prison and we're in a cell. Like I don't, I, you see him saying? Like, I could see him saying, like I wasn't trying to be authentic. I was just trying to. Oh, no. And then there was this other video he did where he was talking about being extorted and he calls his dad on his wall phone, which I think is cool that he's got a wall phone in his setup. But he's like, yeah, just call me back on the cell phone. I'm like, dude, if you've ever had a cell phone in federal

prison, the first thing you know is never to mention it on the wall phone. No, no, because the cops are listening. The cops are going to tear you up. Yeah. They're going to be in your cell within that in a minute. And you're dead. They're going to find it and you're done. But I mean, he's like, once again, he's not necessarily. He's not playing to us. He's playing to the public. Yeah, yeah. So I can, I could see that. But Kevin Lannning, who does another podcast is the one he like, he's good friends with the end. He's like, well, he asked me at the end of my appearance on his podcast, what it was, and I explained it.

And then he brought something to perspective for me that I never really thought about before. I'm 20 years older than Ian. I don't really look it, but I am. Had I gone to prison at when Ian went to prison, I'd have done the same damn thing. Right. I'd have been a cocky,

I'd have been a cocky little asshole that made myself a target. Right. I'm sure of it. I was to say, so it's funny because I went to the low and someone did try and extort me. And, and. What's a low? Coleman? Yeah, Coleman law.

I tried to extort me. And I laugh the whole thing off. Like I do, I've done a video where I tell the whole thing and guys are like, that's a lie. You know he paid. That never happened. Like guys do it in the comments and something. It's like, okay. Well, I never really done fit time.

Huh? Then they've never done fed time. They don't know. Right. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, I'm saying, what, the, you mean the guys that are commenting? No, no, what they're saying is that if someone tried to extort me, I would have paid or the guy would have crushed me.

But the truth is, it later, you know, and I don't really think I ever get it. I don't know if I got into this when I explained before. It turns out the guy, the guy actually that tried to extort me had a life sentence at one when he first got sentenced. Then he got it cut to like 30 years. Then he got it cut down to like 20 or 50. He was testifying at trials and getting Rule 35s because he was still he was still testifying against all the guys in his crew or whatever. And so he comes into my cell after I've been there maybe a few weeks, maybe a few months,

maybe a month or less than a month or two. He comes in my cell and he walks up to me. He's like, yo, bro, this is how this is going to work. And I'm sitting on my chair like writing or something. I look up and I'm like, yeah, what? And he basically tells me you're going to you're going to pay me every month or or was it every week, I forget. But I was just like, oh, okay.

I was like, well, what, do you have a list or something? And he was just like, like, he didn't expect me to do that. And he was like, well, no, I'm serious, bro. I said, no, I understand. But I mean, can you give me a list? Like, and he was like, oh, man, you're going to be giving me a hundred bucks a month or maybe it was 50 a week. I forget.

And he said that. And I was like, okay, well, give me a list. Like, how am I supposed to know what to give you? What commissary do you want? Give me a list. And like, he's not understanding. Like, I so easily, what's so funny is my. my cellie was laying in bed anyway the guy's like oh yeah i'm serious bro i said yeah just

give me a list and he goes eventually he's like all right all right and i went all right i said make sure to put your your your number down uh your whatever room you're in too he's like why and i went so that when i give it to the fucking counselor and i explained to the counselor that you're giving me i'm being shook down i said we can go straight to your fucking room and have a talk with you about it. He goes, oh, that's how it is? You're going to stitch me out? You're going to snitch me out? I said, absolutely. I said, bro, I just did three years in the medium. If I didn't get shook down in the medium, if I didn't pay protection in the medium, you think I'm coming to the low and paying protection? Like, oh, fucking 95% of the people here are fucking snitches. And he's a

snitch. Like, I had no idea at the time. And then he was like, oh, that's how it is? Yeah. I said, yeah, bro. I mean, what are you thinking, man? Are you going to just rat me out? absolutely and he was like okay well we'll see we'll see walked off i never fucking heard about it again and guys are always in the comment section like that didn't happen you fucking pay bro it did happen the guy was maybe he really thought i was gonna pay i don't think he ever did because i don't know anybody else that he was doing that too you know and i don't i think he maybe thought i'll try him maybe he'll give me maybe i can get this guy but the moment I bucked, he's not in a position to do anything.

No, because he's working with the feds. He's testifying against his old crew. He's trying to get off a life sentence. Do you think he's going to smash some little white guy for $50 a week or $100 a month or so in commissary? No, did he try me? Yeah, go fuck yourself. Like, we'll get, you'll beat my ass.

I'll try and fucking fight back. I'll end up in the shoe, whatever. You'll go, we'll be shipped different places or however it's going to work out. I'm not going to fucking pay. First of all, I don't have any money to pay you. You see what I'm saying? Like, I wasn't getting enough money where I could, I can't even negotiate. Like, at that time, I was getting in almost no money. I'm still writing. I'm writing my book. Like, I'm not in a position to pay. I'm in, what I'm in a position to do? That's what I'm in a position to do. And if, if everybody here thinks I'm a fucking rat, what do I give a fucking? It was on the front page of the St. Petersburg Times that I had cooperated. Like, people. already know it right so what well then you're going to be labeled a rat i'm already a rat i don't have a problem with it i'm doing pretty good i made it to the low right i've been smashed yet i'm not getting smacked in the low and you're going home everybody here's a fucking rat you know it turns out he's a fucking rat i just didn't know it at the time it took a little bit of time to figure that out

but so i could see someone trying you i think it's how you react and if if he's going around talking about he's a big shot he's got money and i was doing this and i was doing this and i was doing that then yeah you're making yourself a target yeah like but i also don't think he had to i don't think he would have had to have pay he's at a low right so you could have just been like what i think happens a lot of the lows is you get um what they call it uh it's soft extortion where somebody kind of they prize you see well they semi befriend you like hey bro can you get me uh such and such at the commissary i got you back and they kind of or they they kind of just talk to you you mind me i got no money do you mind if you get me something like it's not much

and they kind of make you feel like we're buddies and then so you buy them stuff every but you start to feel like it's we're buddies we're buddies but it's contingent on me buying you stuff but i like you kind of being my buddy because i notice that you kind of run interference with me and other people that i have an issue with and so it's kind of soft it's slowly and it's never a lot. Guy does it to one or two people, because I do know guys at the low that we're getting shook down,

but it would be like a 60 or 70-year-old guy who is being soft extorted is what they call. Where he's getting some guy $20 a week in commissary, and he's getting the maximum amount of money sent in. And he feels like, he doesn't feel like he's being extorted. He feels like he feels bad for this guy

who's befriended him, and he wants to help him. So he doesn't feel like, it's extortion. He feels like he's a 70-year-old guy or a 65-year-old guy who now has a friend that kind of walks a track with him or hangs out with him. And he's helping him out a few of the and he gives him $100 a month in commissary because the poor guy doesn't have anything. He's always very nice to him. Right. Now that makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of those guys in federal prison. Deep down, he probably kind of knows something's going on, but he didn't really give a fuck

because it's $100. What do I care? You know? So I could see that. But, uh, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that like I'll hear stuff, like little things that some of these guys say and I think, you know, I'm like that that doesn't happen or that didn't experience. But what I also have to tell myself is that a low in Coleman, Florida is different than a low in California. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like a camp is different in California is way different than a camp in Florida. You know, like we don't have the, even the feds, you don't have massive gang activity. In the lows in California, it's like 90% cartel members. Yeah.

You know, and you can get hurt. And for me, four city low was a hundred times different than Butner low. Right. Four city low and buttoner medium were about the same. Right. Okay. Four city medium was a little tougher than both. Yeah.

But, you know, I had, I had gotten a reputation for, for doing legal work and doing good legal work that like when I got busted on the phone at Montgomery and they knew I was going to Forest City the day I tell the story a lot the day I get to the unit at Forest City I'm not I don't even have my bag from R&D unpacked and I got five guys hey yo dude I heard you do the legal work can you look at this real quick for me before count before count yo dude let me just get my shit in my locker real quick like come back tomorrow when my legal office is open right but i mean and it was the same way at the medium yeah yeah i think um yeah doing legal work definitely gives you a you know a leg up on

everybody else you know because everybody you become valuable to everyone and nobody wants to you know even if i don't need you i don't want to fuck with you or have a problem with you because you're doing this guy's legal work and that guy and that guy and i know those guys And those are dangerous guys. And I don't want a problem with that guy for sure. And he's doing his legal work. So the other thing I was going to mention is you keep talking about doing stuff with these inmates that is kind of like the rap thing and the studio space and stuff. I have a buddy who has bought a small town in Virginia, West Virginia, or I'm not sure where.

it is one of the virginias whatever um what virginia how many virginias are there two west is west and regular virginia he's east virginia virginia okay hey bro i don't know i was i was educated in this out though i don't know any i barely there's some some states in the middle somewhere so um so you got so i i want then it's virginia it's not west virginia i think it's just virginia maybe it's west virginia i don't know but he's basically have a buddy who's bought up a small town i mean it's ridiculous how much real estate he owns in this small town. And I remember I've told him every time he's like, the problem is that all the industries in the town have disappeared. But there's buildings everywhere. There's these huge fucking two-story red brick buildings that are beautiful, but they're just

empty. And there's no. And the people that own them are like, they just want to get rid of them because the industry's gone. There's nothing there. It's basically it's like, let's say it's in whatever, In 2010, there were 3,500 people in that town. Five years later, it's fucking down to 2,500. Now it's down to like 1,900 people. Like, the town is, it's gone. Like, you can buy a 2,000 square foot three bedroom, two bath that was built in the 1950s. You can buy that house for like 50 grand.

Wow. You know, concrete block or a wood frame for 4,500. Like, I mean, there's just, it's drying up. So the only people moving there are people like retire. and they're dying off. And so he's been buying up this whole town. And it's beautiful, by the way. It's a beautiful area.

And I remember telling him, bro, you should do like an incubator, like a YouTube incubator. He's like, what do you mean? I said, like, and this guy is worth, let's say he's worth $20, $30 million easily. And I'm like, go in there, take a couple hundred thousand dollars by that big building. Or he's already bought this one building. and I'm like renovate because there's a two-story downstairs is already what do you call them retail spaces that are empty and then upstairs it's like apartments and just big spaces I was like go in there renovate those into multiple studios and rental spaces or make a small room where

people can stay in bunk beds and rent them out for 150 bucks a week you pay 150 a week but you get free access to all the studio space equipment everything creative thing right i said you make it into a big incubator where you've got 20 guys those 20 guys will create such havoc in their new little because everybody all these guys want to be a fucking youtube content creator well for 150 or 200 bucks and a portion of your channel yeah that's a good right and and for that you're not not doing anything like we'll do the books for your channel. So you actually get somebody that will do the books. Because a lot of these guys get in trouble because you know this.

At the end of the year, they send you a 1099. And these content creators have made $100,000. There's no money left. There's no money left. They have no money to pay their taxes. They haven't kept any receipt. They don't understand how a business works. They just think, hey, I'm making content.

I'm a YouTuber. Okay, well, guess what? It's a business. So, but we have somebody that will do all of that. for you and the money of course goes into that account so we have access to the money we're going to take a portion off the front so i explained the whole thing to him he he he's talked about it over he's never going to do it because it requires he's extremely i'm going to use the word he's cheap i'm going to say frugal but he's cheap um he's just cheap he doesn't he's the kind of guy

that well he doesn't want to invest anything and you know and it would require a couple hundred thousand dollars in a building that he already owns but i was like look you don't have to do once you get one or two, you're going to have to get one or two guys to go in there. Once you get one or two guys to go in there, I said they'll, if you tell them, look, once a month, I need you to do a video about where you're at, about this place, somehow or another incorporate it. And then run some ads on their channel. Those guys, as their channels grow, they will bring in, if they're young kids, they'll bring in more and more people before you know what, those beds are going to be filled up and you're going to have a waiting list of guys want young kids wanting to move their channel to

use all the free equipment and all these different places. And you can build sets you can build like a fake bar or a fake prison cell or a fake but that seems like for you since you're getting all these guys that are coming out that are kind of the jd the jds right like if you get some of those guys because those channels take off oh yeah they do you know some of these guys i had a guy um doc doc 813 yeah yeah doc 813 this guy had a channel for a few months he was making a couple thousand dollars a month and he was only putting out like 20 minute 30 minute videos he could he'd probably be making 50 or 100 thousand dollars right now if he kept with it and it was just prison content right just talking about booty bandits and gang fights and and his videos were only about

20 minutes long because he didn't want to um there's two problems one i don't think he had enough space on his laptop to do much more than that he said and two he's like you know it's a pain in the ass having to cut up this and do this. So he only wanted to, he was doing very little at a time. But I was like, if you do it like an hour video twice a week, he was only putting out like one or two a week, 20 minutes a week.

I said, if you did like an hour twice a week, you'd be making four grand. You're making two grand now. So the point is, is that those guys have with a little bit of, a little bit extra, open extra direction. A little direction. A little place to go.

Yeah, I can see that. And the thing you're talking about could be the same thing. you see them soon i mean like that downstairs yeah i mean think about it if you had these guys and they don't have to pay a lot initially but you have to figure out a way to get because first of all they're not going to want to share a room they're not going to want to live in bunk beds for long if they start making four grand five grand 10 20 30 thousand dollars they're very quickly going to be a yo bro i want to be out of this great you could then move somewhere else but once they move someone out like you're still got a portion of the channel right you just have to make sure that you

you have control of the channel so that I have control of what the money's coming in here. I have control of the channel. Here's I'll help it out. And we have a standard agreement and maybe a buyout clause. If let's say two years from now, they're like, yeah, I'm making so much money that I want to get out. Okay, well, here's a buyout agreement. You know, there's a buyout, something. But that's something that could be, to me, that could be your next Ponzi scheme.

No. But that seems like what, you know, like if you're talking about an incubator, that could be kind of a it's not an incubator for a business but it is it is it's a youtube business yeah because these kids don't have anywhere to to live and they don't have direction i we we see guys all the time that are running channels and as soon as they're like i don't understand i've been doing this for two years and then you look at the channel and you're like like the things that are wrong with your channel are so fucking obvious you know you only have to tweak a few things and this thing would blow up yeah and but they don't most people it's like you've been doing this two years

they just don't know they don't have it's like what have you've been doing the same exact thing for the whole two years like it starts out looking that way but you hope every week every month this improves this improves this improves this improves this improves but yeah yeah they don't want to they don't they're not changing they don't understand i mean i can tell you know like your your fucking thumbnail sucks and your your your titles are way too long or you know what i'm saying there's all these little things that they do they do the whole intro thing where they hey thanks so much for coming by and how are you doing so today we're going to be talking to and three minutes of an intro man everybody's switched everybody's gone to the next video it's too

much it's so there's all these just a there's a few little tweaks and the length people don't understand how they get paid even guys that run their channels don't understand how they get paid you know they're doing oh i'm doing 15 minute videos and i'm making in my you're doing 15 minute videos on a when you're and when you're being paid for watch time So it doesn't make sense. So I'm just saying, like, it's funny because that type of a business, I'm shocked somebody hasn't come in. And then what's great is that the more people that come in, the more picky you get to be. Right.

You get to say, well, what are you doing now? Well, send me this, send me that. And you get to really look at it and say, this guy's never going to be anything. Like, I've seen his videos. He's horrible. Or I've seen, I like his content. It's good. It's this and that.

He could definitely be something. We let that guy in, why he's got a good chance of taking off. And you give him all the tools. I like that idea. I'm full of good ideas. I just, I'm just, you know, so I can only do so much. I'm at the end of my bandwidth. You know, and I have a wife.

That's, that's, it's expensive. It's time consuming. So, all right. What are we doing? We're good. That's great, man. I appreciate it, man. Something to think about.

I'll let you know for sure. All right, yeah. Let me know. Two years from now when I find out somebody's like, hey, man, do you hear about this guy? I'll be like that. That was my idea. I mean, I have this, I have a whole. 4,000 square feet downstairs

that used to be a bank that I could do something. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you're getting these guys that will come in like what's the guy where there was the after prison show what's the other guy that

sits he sits there and just he sits in like a chair and he's got a bunch of TV screens and he just talks about other videos and or Chad Marks has got a successful channel blood on the razor wire like I know

and all of his stuff is remote. remote so it's amazing that these people are super into kind of the the the riots and the guys and the gangs and the the you know the the prison culture you know i'm not but that kind of stuff takes off and i think the issue that i would here's your competitive advantage if you know how to if you know how to run a youtube channel most of guys that are doing that stuff on their own it's very like it's you can tell they're doing it on their own yeah and they're just they're just not comitant in the social media aspect.

So it's like if you combine those two things, like, okay, I know how to do this. I know how to make this look good and appeal to a larger audience. You know, those are. Yeah, JD's plugged into something that is, is, you know, extremely viral and all of his stuff does good. And he's, you know, there's lots of little tiny things. You could do, you could do nothing but a channel that does trending topics, trending crime topics Five guys that escaped prison

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