Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - John McAfee's Wife Breaks Silence on His Death, Epstein & More

Episode Date: October 3, 2026

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So this is how John McAfee actually died. I want people to know John's, which is the same thing that they said about EBCN. It must have been pretty damning information for that level of hunting. That's the best way I can describe it. It was reported that John died of self-harm. And when they found him that he was actually dead in his cell, but that's not true. So what happened after he died, there was an investigation that the prison opened up. The prison itself opened up an investigation into his death, which from what I was told is not

the standard procedure. So they did an investigation. And what happened was John was actually alive when they found him. I got to see a little bit of security footage. The guard had come. John's door was open a crack. And you see the security guard kind of wave, you know, trying to get someone to open the door. So apparently he was found, can I say hanging?

Yeah, asphyxated. Yeah. From the window in his cell. And this was from like a sheet or something? No, the shoestrings. Shoestrings were around his neck. And when they found him, he had a pulse and he was breathing. Breathing was shallow.

The pulse was faint. But still, he wasn't dead as it was reported. And so what happened next was they brought his body into the hallway and they called in the medical response team to come and do whatever it is that they do. And so for over 10 minutes or so, they're performing CPR on him. So they're doing chest compressions and they've got this, you know, the bag over his mouth and they're giving him oxygen. But it wasn't until I looked at the pictures of the cell and John, you know, after everything, right? So they put him back into the cell and they took pictures and everything, that I understood what actually happened.

because in the pictures, the news was still around his neck. They put him back in the cell? Yes. Okay. So the news was still around his neck, which means when they performed CPR on him, the news was around his neck. And so as medical professionals, you know,

I took a little bit of medical training, and so I know you're supposed to clear the airway. And so the fact that they didn't remove the shoe string from around his neck. just informs you of what exactly happened there because how how can you save someone's life when you're not giving them the life saving measures that they need by clearing the airway so this is how john mackavy actually died right and so this is what i i want people to know um about the situation it seems strange that they would one put him back in the i don't know why

you'd put it back in the cell like if you took removed them from the cell why put them back Well, they removed him from the cell to perform because there was four people that came to do, you know, this work on his body. There was like a lot of, they're not security, but a lot of the guards, the guards from the prison were, you could see all of this on the video footage, were standing around. So I guess to have more space, they brought him out and right in front of the door of his cell, they brought him out and laid him on the floor and did their work. No, I understand taking him out. I don't understand why they put him back. Yeah. Like at that point, you think, okay, well, he's deceased.

Let's place him on a structure. Let's go ahead and move him to the hospital, the more, whatever. Like to put him back in, to photograph him in his cell and leave the shoe strings around his neck. You know, whether they say, whether they would say, because they might say, oh, no, no, we just wanted photographic evidence that he died in the cell and that it was as a result. Like, I'm sure there's a reason they're going to say. say why they did that, but it's still strange. It feels like you're staging it. You don't need to stage it if it's, I don't need to stage something to help verify that

I found this person in his cell. I just tell you I found him in a cell. We pulled him outside. To put them back, it almost seems, it seems odd. Yes, that seems odd. Quite questionable. Well, the whole thing always seemed odd. And I don't know, I don't know a ton about the case.

And typically when I think I know a lot about a case and I'm talking to the person who actually knows, I realized, wow, I didn't know anything about the case. But, you know, I just always thought it was super odd. And maybe this is wrong that he had, that prior to them finding him that within a few days he had texted or tweet, was it, whatever it was, he'd sent a message out. saying that he wasn't, you know, wasn't thinking of ending his life, harming himself. He wasn't, he wasn't, and, you know, depressed, he wasn't this. Wasn't wanting to rage quit, as I've seen some people comment. So what actually was happening, when he was in prison, I was tweeting for him. Okay.

So he was, I talked to him every day while he was in prison, three times a day. The phone calls for eight minutes apiece. And so he would, if he had a tweet for me, he would, you know, first dictate that to me, you know, and then, you know, we'd go on with our conversation. So the tweet that you're referencing, the allah Epstein, you know, if something happens to me, you know, I didn't do it to myself or it was no fault of my own. So I tweeted that out for him. And that was actually when he was first arrested.

So I think, or when he was first put in prison, I think that was sometime in October. Because he was already thinking. It was, yeah. Well, because, I mean, prison and the hospitals are, the easiest place is to whack someone. Right. If that's what you're looking to do, you know, they burn this out in movies. Yeah.

Well, those are always the easiest. Because that's the easiest place to escape, right? Exactly. That's what they always try and get themselves moved to the hospital. Why it's got the lowest security. Yeah. I only have to breach one level of security to get out of the hospital, which is the guards that are standing outside the room,

as opposed to a prison, what's got, you know, multiple layers of it. Right. So, but what was his concern was, why, why did he feel? somebody was was after him right was there something specific well there's um so for so you know i i met john um not long after he was deported from guatemala back to the states and my understanding is that all of his problems um sort of uh derived from what happened in belize so john moved to Belize because his nephew had passed away. His nephew was like his son, you know, and so he just kind of wanted to change. And he moved to Belize. I don't know why he picked Belize, but it was,

you know, very beautiful from the pictures that I've seen. And while he was there, he began working on a topical antivirus. So it was, you know, meant to just kind of heal you of any ailments. And he came up with this idea because he was getting bit up in the jungle by all kind of bugs and stuff. So it was a solution for himself. first and he was giving out free samples to the villagers right and i'm not sure how long he had been living there but he said that he had two representatives come i'm assuming from the leading political party and ask if he would consider given a donation and for that he would be given all sorts of perks land women whatever tax breaks and he politely declined and so i think he said a week

after that, they came and raided his property. He was held for 14 hours, handcuffed outside. They came in and they destroyed, pretty much destroyed his lab, shot his dog, which was not okay. He was very upset about that. But anyways, you know, they said that he had illegal firearms, but he produced licenses for all of his firearms. And he was cleared of all wrongdoing. And so then I think it was another week after that, those same representatives came back and asked if he reconsidered his donation and he said, F you, get off my property. So this for John began a war for him, right? Because he wanted to find evidence that he had been set up for this raid and he wanted an apology from the prime minister. And so what he decided to do being John McAfee is he decided

to gift laptops with key stroke logging information spyware on the laptops to secretaries, girlfriends, boyfriends of high up officials within the government. So whether that was in the police, in the prime minister's office, wherever he needed. And they gladly took these gifts. And so over the course of maybe the next six months or so, I think it was, John was collecting all of this information. And none of it was related to what he, you know, was looking for. which was that he was set up for this rate. But instead he found, you know, that there was human trafficking, drug trafficking, murder for hire at the highest levels. Right.

Within the abolition government. Right. It's basically a mob. Right. The mob is running the country. Basically. And so, so this was bad enough on its own. And then also you have to think what type of people would be laundering money through this area or would have an offshore account.

out in this area or, right? So we're not just talking about little police, right? We're talking possibly about, um, cartels, yeah, other countries. Yeah, I understand. Wealthy Americans or whatever. First, can I say, I love the fact that you gift the computers. That was John, you know, that you just, he just didn't want to be messed with, you know. He just wanted to be free to live his life, however he saw fit as long as he wasn't hurting anyone,

you know. So he's collecting all of this information. And he has women going through the information kind of trying to find what's relevant to John, right? So one of these women was actually sleeping with someone within the GSU, which is the gang suppression unit in Belize. And they were having pillow talk or whatever. And so she spills the beans of what she's been doing, this work she's been doing for John McAfee. And so that's how it's found out that he's collecting all of this information. and that's when his problem started with police until that was some time in April or May, June of 2012.

So once that happened, he kind of was on the run, you know, on the island. He had different, you know, places where he was staying. So he was having to hide out there on the island. And then his neighbor was murdered, which he, you know, always said to me that he felt like it was a botched hit on him, you know, that they just went to the wrong house because they, They lived not far from each other on the same stretch of beach. So that's what he thought that it was just a botched. That's very possible.

I mean, I actually know of cases where literally somebody had moved. They ended up killing the person that had moved in there. Or they just went to the wrong house. Hell, the law enforcement will raid the wrong house all the time, all the time. Four houses down. Sometimes it's the wrong street, like all kinds of things. You got a judge to sign off on this. You got all this stuff and you, and there's 40 guys involved and none of you had the right address.

Right. So, yeah. It's a bit scary when you think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where his issues started as far as it relates to that. And then one other thing I would like to share about police.

Now, mind you, this is all information John had given me. And he's spoken about this, you know, before he died in many interviews. But the dogs that he had. So what happened with the dogs, because I know I've heard reports that, you know, it was, you know, John had done this because it was retribution for, you know, this gentleman poisoning the dogs. But John was under the belief that it was actually someone from the government that poisoned his dogs. And it was actually nine of his dogs that were poisoned. And he had to shoot them because they were like bleeding out of their mouths and their butts. And it was really, really bad.

majority of the dogs. I think he said he had something like 25 dogs, but they were all mostly strays. You know, I think maybe three or four dogs he actually brought with him from, you know, the States when he moved there, but the dogs were just dogs that he had collected from the island.

Right. Because that's just who John was, you know. That again, just kind of answering questions that you're not answering or asking, but just I know I've seen things and so I just try to clear this up. Yeah, I was going to say, because I've seen, you know, just listening to different documentaries or videos,

like it's kind of inferred or like, okay, all John's dogs were poisoned and died, and then the next day the neighbor died. And then John eventually leaves on the run because he believes the government there is, you know, thinks he did it or is trying to set him up for doing it. Yeah, that's kind of the story.

That's the narrative that I've always heard. Right. And just to clear something else up, He actually was never wanted for murder. That was never the thing. He was wanted for questioning. Right. That's it.

They wanted to question him. And, you know, he offered many times to be questioned anywhere outside of police. But he was not going to return to Belize to be questioned, you know, about what happened. But he was willing to answer questions, you know. So what happens? So eventually he, you're saying he was deported or did he flee? So he did flee from Belize? So what happened was he managed somehow to make it to Guatemala with Samantha and the two vice reporters that were traveling with him.

And once he got to Guatemala. Who's Samantha? Samantha was one of his girlfriends. Oh, I glossed over this part of the story. So John had a harem as it's been described of women in Belize. And these were, I'm assuming, working girls. I don't want to be smirch anyone's reputation, but I know a few of them were. And John was kind of a collector of broken people, if you will, because maybe there was a part of him that wanted to fix that.

And there was a little brokenness in him. I mean, we all have a little brokenness in us. And so these girls were actually very something that. that caused me to want to jump in headfirst with John was the stories that he told about, about Amy, Amy M. Schwiler. She was one of the main girls that was there. But, you know, he put her through school. She got an education. She learned to speak English. He built her home. She, from what I last heard, she still had the home, you know, had her family living there. She was working for one of the wealthiest men on the island in Belize. So, I mean, completely turned her life

around, you know, just meeting John. And so, um, anyways, Samantha was one of his girlfriends that he traveled with. She was kind of helping him to be his eyes and ears, if you will, because he had to be, you know, um, incognito, you know, so she would go out and, you know, I guess check how things are going at the cops are out or whatever. And so she was traveling with him as well as Robert Robert King. And I think the other gentleman whose name was Rocco, Costoro. So this was a popular story because they actually took a picture with John and said, we're with McAfee suckers, but they forgot to take the Xif data off. So as soon as they shared the picture on Twitter, I think it was, you know, now the world

knew exactly where John was. So again, he had to make a mad dash out of there. He was able to connect with Samantha's, I believe it was her uncle, who was the ex-ex. something, something very high, attorney general, I believe, was he was. And so he, um, he sent his driver for John and the team and they all rode down to, um, wherever they were to wherever he got arrested. I'm sorry, I'm kind of fudson this up. But, um, anyways, long story short, it was this attorney general, ex-attorney general who got him safely to, uh, to the hotel where he had to then turn himself in.

with Interpol and and after that they um i guess a case was brought that john for so john wouldn't have to be sent back to belize you know that he could actually get back to america so they filed some paperwork within the courts but in the meantime they needed time to file these things so that's when john fake the heart attack and um you know once he got the clearance that all the paperwork was in he was magically fine and yeah it's funny that Mexicans will do this. They'll go, they'll get arrested in the United States and be sentenced. And then to get extradited back so they don't have to finish their 20 year sentence in the U.S. They'll pay kind of like a district attorney or some type of an attorney in Mexico to file an indictment against them in Mexico.

And then they'll petition the United States saying, hey, we want to, we want to do that's called, it's, it's, there's, There's something called it's where, hey, they'll serve their time in Mexico. Yeah. And so they've only had to serve a third of their time in the United States. They've served the third. And we have an indictment. We want them to come here so we can prosecute them. And so based on the prisoner exchange or whatever the program is, they say, oh, okay, well, yeah, there is an indictment.

Yeah, he's done one third. Okay. And then they move him. And as soon as he gets to Mexico, they drop the charges and they walk out. Right. So that happens all the time. It's just a way to work the system. So I never occurred to me in the United States would do it.

Because, you know, the United States is so, you know, above board. They wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do anything underhanded. Of course not. So I'm shocked that someone would have done something along those lines. Yeah. So, yeah, so he made it back to the States. And that's where our story began.

Actually here in Florida, Miami, South Beach. I was working as a prostitute. I had been working as a prostitute for almost 10 years prior. For 10, how old are you? Almost 10 years. Well, you're so young. I'm 42. Right now. Yeah.

Okay. And how old were you then? I was, when I met John, I was getting ready to turn 30. Okay. It was 29, yeah. So, yeah, I had a pimp. I was in an extremely violent situation. You know, he was very abusive. And so when I met John, I was just in a different space.

You know, I came from a very religious background. I'm the youngest of five. Four now, my brother has passed away. But the youngest of five, I grew up in the Bay Area, in Francisco, Oakland, Hayward area. And with two parents, my parents are still married. My father's a minister, my grandfather, my mom's dad was a pastor. He had his own church. So I grew up in, you know, that was the environment I grew up in.

How do you jump from that? Yeah, I know. Oh, goodness. So I think, well, for me, I was, 15, I was raped, right? I was violently. And not realizing this at the time, but in hindsight, looking at it, I think I just wanted to take my power back. You know, I wanted to understand what it was that was powerful enough to make someone violate me in this way.

You know, obviously there's some power there that I need to learn how to exercise and use. And so I became very promiscuous after that. Then fast forward, I meet this pimp. I didn't know he was a pimp. He was just a guy I wanted to have a one-night stand with. And that's all it was supposed to be. but I ended up getting pregnant. And so...

This is in Oakland? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And so, you know, pregnant, not married, you know, religious family is a problem. So instead of just letting it be a one-night stand, I tried to make it into a relationship, okay? And then he tells me, the pimp, he tells me about a girl who he went to school with, she was an escort. And, you know, all you have to do is go out on date and keep them company, whatever.

And, you know, in my mind, I'm like, okay, that doesn't sound. Right. Like, that doesn't sound that people are just getting paid to just go out on dates with lonely, old men. But anyways, I went for it. And my first time was super easy. It was a hand job. Got paid $300. The guy was just as nervous as I was.

Probably it was his first time. He was just happy probably to get, not get arrested or not get rolled. But anyways. So, I mean, that's how, you know. know, when you're venturing into criminal activity, that's usually what gets you hooked, right? The ease in which you are able to accomplish whatever you're going out to accomplish. Yeah, it's always slow. Nobody quits their job working at Walmart and then pulls off a takeover bank robbery for $2 million.

Like it's incremental. It's very small steps. Exactly. But for me, $300 in, you know, that short amount of time, you know. And so for me, it just, it just made sense, you know, like I get to say who, I get to say when, I get to say how much, I get to have power over my body, you know, and get paid to do these things. Money that you're not going to make working at Walmart. Right, exactly.

And I've got, you know, I've got kids. I had two at the time. I had a daughter before I met with him. And so I just wanted to get out of my parents' house. And whatever was going to help me do that as quick as possible, that's what I was willing to do. And so that is kind of the mindset with which I went into prostitution, as well as a little bit of feeling like, you know, I was irredeemable. And if there was a God, well, he could never love me.

He would never, you know, because I've done all of these things, you know, I was ruined good, you know, before I got into prostitution, that just really altered the way. way that I saw myself, you know. And so I just felt like also that was my punishment, you know, the pimp was my punishment for not being obedient for not, you know, going to church and doing the things that my parents said to do. So, so this kind of, I hope, explained how I went from, you know, that start with my family to being a prostitute because obviously no one, no girl is, you know, little girl growing up, or saying when I grow up, I want to be a prostitute. or I want to be, you know, that's just not happening,

but there are just things that happen in one's life that one way or another leads to that. How do you jump from California to Florida? So there was a lot of traveling for the work. I was working on the streets mostly in the beginning, and then I began working online, Craigslist, back page, Arrows Guide. And so I was doing a lot of traveling before I made it to Florida,

to have been to Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona, Denver, Colorado for a little bit. Vegas, of course, Vegas. Let's see, the DMV area, D.C., Maryland, Virginia. Just working in the different host shows, as they're called there, and then working online as well. And I eventually made it to Florida the first time, 2010. 2010, 2011. So I was there for a good little stretch of time before I met John.

How did you meet him? So I was actually at home and I was sleeping because it was a slow. I think it was like the middle of the week and, you know, I didn't want to go out. But my pamph was like, why aren't you outside? So I had to get up and go out. And apparently John had been in town already and he was top of the news, but I didn't watch the news. So I didn't know. So I go out onto Ocean Drive.

There's the Mangoes Club and the Clevelander. I don't know if you're familiar with those at all. Okay. They're kind of popular night spots. And so we were at the Clevelander and nothing was really happening. And I had happened to park my car across the street from John's Hotel, which was the Beacon Hotel. And me and my girlfriend, who was another hoe that was working for, my PIM, we were walking back to the car and I actually saw John standing outside of Johnny Rockets talking to one of the workers.

And as I'm walking by, you know, we meet eyes and, you know, I smiled. And he smiled and nodded, but I kept walking because I just did a quick assessment of him. And I was like, no, he looks broke and he doesn't look interested. So, yeah, it looks broke. So funny. But he did. He just looked very disheveled. He had on a suit that was just, you know, a little bit bit.

up. He just didn't look like what you, one would think John McAfee should look like, right? So, so I kept walking. And for whatever reason, I turned back to look at him and I saw all that. He was looking at my butt. And so he kind of gave this like sheep as sort of, you know, what are you going to do? But I still kept walking because, again, my assessment was. He was broke. He wasn't interested. And when I got to his hotel, the night security came outside. And I was just asking them, hey, you know, what's going on? What's in town? Are the cops out tonight? That's kind of, you know, just kind of getting a temperature check of, you know, the evening. And he happened to look down towards the Johnny Rockets and saw John. And he said, well, you know who that is? And I was like, no, he said, that's John McAfee. I was that. And so he said, well, do you know the McAfee antivirus? And I said, yeah. He said, well, that's the guy that created it. And I said, oh, really? And you turned around. and started walking back.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hesitated a little bit because I still wasn't sure. You know, I'm like, well, he's probably not going to go for it. But I was like, okay, what's the worst that can happen? So by this time, I didn't see him. So we kind of jogged a little bit back down the street. And he was now at the news cafe, which is not much further away from where he originally was.

And he was talking to the night staff there. And he was smoking a cigarette. And so I asked him for a cigarette. And as he was lighting my cigarette, he said, what are you girls out here doing? Are you drugging and rolling old men? To which I responded, we don't use drugs. And so this sparked his intrigue because obviously, you know, he let me know what, you know who I was and I let him know, well, this is who I actually am. So anyways, it was just, I guess, something that just caught his attention. And he was like, okay, I would like to talk to you, you know, come and have a coffee with me. So he sat down and, you know, I went through my spiel.

Are you interested in some company? You can do two for one, a little chocolate vanilla swirl. Or if you just want vanilla, you just want chocolate, whatever, just to get it out of the way. Yeah. And he was like, no, I'm really not interested. I said, okay, good. I said, so who are you? what brings you into town?

And he's a little offended that I don't know who he is or that I hadn't heard of him or whatever. And so he just begins to share his story with me. Yeah, it's funny, right? Because I immediately think of Anchorman when he says, I'm kind of a big deal. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. So he just told me his story, you know, everything that had happened with him and bullies, everything I just went through with you guys and explained about Belize. This is why I'm able to tell it because he told it to me that first day that we met, but I've heard him tell it, you know, many times after that. And his story never changed, which is why I believe his version of what happened to him. And after, you know, maybe two hours, he asked me if I could get rid of my girlfriend

because she was high on Molly and not really contributing much. much to the conversation. And so I did ask her to leave. And he, you know, we hung out a little longer. And he asked me to come back to his room with him. And so we get to his room really quickly. This, you know, I'm not going to give you all the gritty details, but whatever. Anyways, we get to his room.

And he's, like, standing by the bed and he's, like, rocking up and down on his tip-y-toes. He's, like, looking, like, really super shy. I'm like, what is happening right now? And he said, can we just cuddle? And I was like, yeah, sure, no problem. But in my head, I'm like, okay, what kind of, what is cuddling, right? Like, what sort of kinky sex thing is cuddling, right?

I'm not thinking it's just cuddling. And I was like, okay, well, whatever it is, I'm sure I could do it. So stupid. And he went to the bathroom, you know, we got in the bed, and that's all we did. He laid his head on my shoulder and he was sleep in five minutes. And he just, like, wrapped his whole body around me and slept, like, yeah, I guess like he hadn't in a long time. So it was a really nice thing for me as well. You know, I got some really much needed rest myself.

And so anyways, next morning, he's up early because he has an interview to do. And, you know, he said, you know, you can go and you can order breakfast, just charge it to the room. And then he said, will you be here when I get back? And I was like, really? Like, you want me to stay? Like, this is not normal. But I was like, yeah, I'll be here when you get back. So I go down for breakfast.

He goes to have his interview. I think it was at CNBC or something like that. So while I'm having breakfast, I go, again, downstairs outside. I'm sitting outside. So, you know, you're right there on Ocean Drive. So they're seating out front of the hotels and, you know, can look at the scenery. So I'm sitting there by myself. and this cab pulls up and parks in front of, you know, the hotel.

And the cab driver gets out and walks straight to me. And he says, um, hi, do you know John McAfee? And I'm like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

Why? Why does you say no? Well, because I don't know what that man is. I'm not going to say, oh, yeah, I was just spent the night with him. No, I'm going to say,

no, I don't know what you're talking about. Because no one knows that I was with him, right? Well, McAfee obviously told him to come get you. But why, But, well, no.

No. So, so I'm like, no, I don't know John McAvey. I don't know who you're talking about. And he was like, yeah, right. Okay, so just tell John McAfee that his cab driver is here. And so I was like, well, you know, I don't know who that is. And so when John actually got back to the hotel, I told him about this gentleman. And he said, I don't have a cab driver.

Right. And so for me, see, immediately I'm thinking, how would anybody know? know that I'm with John. I would assume somebody had to, the only person that would have known would have been McAfee, he would have called the cab driver and told him, hey. But I was staying at his hotel, right? I was supposed to be there when he got back. Yeah.

In an interview. You understand? Yeah. I saw it. I mean, and obviously, you know, the girl that I was with, she would have told the pimp, actually she did tell the pimp and all of the pimp's and hose by that time knew. Right.

But not to send a cab driver to me to say, hey, you know, tell John McAfee's cabdney. He was out front. So he's immediately on high alert now. And he told me, as he's, you know, once we got through that part, he said, well, I want you to go downstairs and check out these guys at this table. He said, you know, they were, you know, sitting there waiting for me. They just, I didn't really fully grasp what was going on with these guys at the table, but he was concerned about them. So I went down, but I didn't see them. And, you know, so he's, you know, so he's, decided that we should go out for for lunch so we did we went down on lincoln drive and as we're sitting for lunch he's kind of pointing people out to me and saying see this guy's got a gun he's got a gun

in his pocket you know and i can really see i could see a bulge it looks strange you didn't look like a cell phone so so i'm getting a crash course you know and in what he's had to live through you know i guess so he's he's being on on alert you know so he's he's feels like people are watching him all the time. This is FBI or no? This is, so this is, okay, my assumption still is that this is something that just carried from Belize, right? Because now you're not far, you know, from Belize in Miami, right? So I wasn't exactly certain, but as our relationship progressed, you know, it kind of. So he believes this is some kind of Belize law enforcement? No, not law enforcement.

Okay, then so he, so basically as a result of the laptops, it's known that he has information on the Belize government, potentially multiple things going on, but mainly what governments do in South American countries. What the government does, one of the ways to make money, because they don't have a lot of money, is they laundering money, one of the things they do, like launder money for cartels. And so I'm assuming the fact that he has this information and it's not like it's hearsay. He's got solid receipts. That's what they say now, Colby. Yes, he's got evidence. But he's got, you know, ironclad evidence that different people within the Belize government are laundering money. And so he thinks that maybe they're trying to send somebody, get them into a position where they can take him out.

so that will not take him out no no to collect him no collect oh they want to pick them up because they want it they want to have a conversation they want the information they want the information yeah they want to just chat about the weather yeah yeah yeah so that's that is what he believed and I should also go back really quickly to the night that we met you know as we're talking so he's sitting with its back so he's facing the street right and as he's sitting there talking to me for these hours I'm watching him watch people. He's watching the cars, you know, taking mental note. Now, these are things that I would do anyways, because, you know, being a prostitute, you have to be smart, you know, otherwise you, anyways, you don't survive that long without being smart, you know, being street smart. So,

so I noticed immediately that there was something happening that he was concerned about, which is why the cab driver the next morning for me was a concern, because that he was. He was. was already showing a concern for his safety, right? And so, again, we're back at lunch, you know, the next day watching people and there's this vehicle that keeps circling the block the entire time while we're sitting, having our lunch. And so I pointed out to him. So it's just a lot of things, a lot of strange things happening. Again, I'm not sure what exactly is happening, but there is something. That's happening.

Why, I wasn't sure either. But I'm, again, assuming because of the information that he had, you know, they needed to get it back. You know, they needed to. And they couldn't just whack him because, you know, then where would the information go? Who has it? You know, how would they get it back? So we spend a couple more days together in Florida. He eventually leaves and goes to Tennessee.

I believe he said he was going. I'm not sure if that's where he. he went but um maybe like a week later well before he left he said you know i'll call you in a week and i want you to come and meet me come meet me in tennessee and so week goes by and i do go indeed and meet him in tennessee and he's bought a pickup truck and he's driving to portland and we he wants me to you know come with him so we go on this three week trip first of all it does not take three weeks to go from Tennessee to Portland. That's just a long time, insanely long time.

But it was a good time, right? I really, really enjoyed the ride because he was just a fascinating person. Like, I was smitten. Can I just say that as a hoe? I was absolutely smitten, right? Like in the most square sense, right? Like how a girl likes a guy, right? And you're definitely going to get to know somebody over a road trip.

Yeah. Yeah. And it was a good road trip. Like we listened to books on CD. It was awesome. It was really cool. And so, but I didn't know. He would tell me later that what he was actually doing and why it took so long was that he was going.

He had like spots off road where he had buried, you know, I guess emergency stashes. And he was going and collecting those because he would disappear for. hours, you know, like sometimes five, six hours at a time, just gone, you know, and I'd be at the hotel waiting for him to come back. And so that's what he was actually doing. And that's why it took so long for us to get from Tennessee to Portland. But in the meantime, the Pampa's calling me and he's calling me because he wants to know what's going on. Where's the money? Has he paid you yet? How much is it going to pay you? All of these stupid things that I can't talk to you. I'm sitting in the car next to this person that you're asking me all this information about. You're

you think I'm going to get on the phone and just say, oh, yeah, he's right here. And that's stupid because he's not even supposed to know about you. So you're blowing my cover. Right. So I was juggling with this as well, you know? And it was just some really interesting time. Anyways, we finally make it to Portland. And I have to go back to Miami because I have a court case that's closing up, right?

So it's just going to be my last appearance that I'm going to make in the court's court case related to my prostitution. So I have a very extensive criminal record for soliciting, mostly. 99% of my criminal record is for soliciting, which is basically just being in an area known for prostitution, not necessarily being caught in the act or anything like that. So I was going to just appear before the judge. I had done what I needed to do. I stayed out of trouble. I did the diversion program, and they were going to just close out the case. So I needed to leave. But before You still have to show up. Right.

Yes, you do. But before I did that, John said to me, he said, listen, I'm not going to take care of a grown man. So basically, he was just letting me know that he knew about the PIM. And so he said, you know, if you're going to come back here and be with me, then that's what you're going to come and be with me. But you're not going to send money to anyone. Well, you know. And so that was kind of just his ultimatum that he laid on the line there. And so I went back to Miami, closed out of the case, and was fully intending on leaving that life and the Pimp behind me, you know, once I got back to Portland.

So I actually did do that. You know, the Pimp called me. And I let John talk to him, but John on the phone. And John was like, listen, she doesn't want to be with you anymore. And, you know, so just leave her alone, whatever. And he was like, you know, F that, I'm coming to Portland. And so John told him that if you come to Portland, you will leave in a body back. And so he didn't like that.

It wasn't a threat. It was just a fax of life. You know, that if he came, because obviously you're coming as a threat, a threat to me. You're not coming as a supportive character witness in your court appearance. Right. So that ended that situation for a time. And we'll get there eventually to the rest of that story. So just one other little unique thing about this, I want to tell.

So we're, you know, we're in Portland. We're staying at the 50 Shades Gray Hotel, the hotel that was in the movie. And, you know, John's looking for a place for us to stay. And so his security didn't like me, you know, for obvious reasons. And, you know, he thought that I was just, you know, there to, you know, try to make a, just try to make some money, get some money. And while I was in Miami, so when I went back to Miami after we got to Portland, while I was there, you know, the Pimp was talking about, okay, well, how much money is he going to pay you for going on this road trip? He'd given me money to cover my rent and car note, right? So I was able to pay that, you know, but he hadn't given me anything like cash and pocket cash. And so, you know, the Pimp is talking about all these things. Well, you know, you can take pictures. of him and sell it to the tabloids because everybody's wanting to know where he is or you know we can

rob him all of these grand ideas that the PEM has and and so it was like you know you should see if you could get like maybe 20 grand out of him 50 grand and I was like he's not going to pay me that amount of money for what like I didn't you know we're not doing anything you know I'm not sure what his what his plans were or what his ideas were but anyways fast forward back to me being in Portland And the security, his security, we actually arrived at the same time. You know, his security was coming from Tennessee. I was coming from Miami. And we get to the hotel.

John's in the elevator with his security. And all of a sudden his security is like, yeah, I brought that $50,000 that you asked for. And so I'm like, well, that's strange. Like, why would you announce it that way? It was super, super weird. And so apparently they thought, or the security thought that I was going to take the money and run, right? So it's in cash. It's in the room with us. John leaves for some hours and I'm like, you know, I got to get out this room because I really want to look at it because I've never seen

50,000 cash. So I just want to look at it, but I don't want to touch it because I don't want anyone saying anything about anything. So I leave the room and I go to smoke a cigarette standing outside and, you know, I'm just kind of assessing the scene in the area, I see someone sitting in a parked car. And then I see this gentleman walking down the street. It's an older man and looked like a bum walking down the street and he's like limping, right? Lumping down the street and he has on a white shoe and a black shoe. And as he gets closer to me, all of a sudden his gate changes and he's now standing straight up, you know, and he's walking without this limp and he's looking at me as you're looking at me. Basically, you know, if looks could kill, I would have dropped it right there.

And because the assumption, again, was that I was going to take the money and try to make a run for And that's, I guess, he was supposed to intervene, be someone to intervene in that. Right. So that's just little things that were. Like a test. Yeah.

Yeah. So these were just little things that were happening. Interesting things that I, I don't know. I guess I passed the test because I didn't touch the money. I didn't take the money.

John, he, you know, he said he didn't think that I would, that I would have taken it. But obviously. After the fact that he said, like, hey, like, you passed the test? Or is it just kind of like, oh, yeah? No, he just said, you know, he just said, I knew you wouldn't take it.

You know, and we just kind of, life went on. You know, life went on. And he asked me to be his girlfriend. And he said, you know, this is what I do for my girlfriends. Give you a place to stay. You know, give you a car and you'll have money. And, you know, there's just some things that I require, you know, like you're not having sex with people, right? And you're no longer working anymore, right?

And so, of course, duh, no problem. I can do that. But I got bored very quickly because he was gone a lot. You know, also he had, as I like to call them, flavors of the week, flavors of the day, right? Well, they're women who would come or he would go and see them, whatever. I didn't care because that's not, that wasn't the nature of our relationship. I was not looking for exclusivity from him, right?

I wasn't looking to be his only one and only. So I was perfectly fine with that. He had one come and stay with this for a couple of months. It was just an interesting time, but I was really, really bored. And I wanted to get a job. And he was like, well, you can't get a job. Like I can't, like John McAfee's wife can't be working on nine to five. But I needed something to defer my time.

Well, but he said wife. Oh, okay. So I've always been his wife in his mind because that's what he referred to me as. Because the others are just kind of coming and going. Yes. Okay. Well, I don't know what the difference was. but that's just what he called me.

So in this boredom, I want to get a dog. So we get a dog, whatever. And I'm really trying to just figure out what I'm supposed to do with myself other than just waiting for John to come home and whatever. Right. So, and in the meantime, I'm also going back to California to see my children.

My children living in California with my parents because I asked my dad to take my children because of the situation I was in. You know, I didn't want them to begin getting abused because I couldn't protect them from the pimp, you know. And so that was my fear. So they were living with my parents. And I would go and visit them, you know, when they were out of school, summer vacation, holidays, I would go. John would very graciously pay for me to go and visit them. and if they needed money, I would send money, you know,

I was able to be sort of the fun mom, if you will, you know. Do your parents know that you're with McAfee? Yeah. Oh, I skipped that part. What is they thinking? So during the road ship, we actually made a beeline through California, right? Because we could have just went up straight to Portland. And it was because John felt that it was time for me to go back, right?

Because I hadn't seen them for about seven years, because my dad, when my dad came and got them from me in Las Vegas, where we were living, he told me that I was never to call, never to come home, never to write. That was just that. And so I honored that. And so it had been about seven years since I had seen them. I'd been in contact with one of my sisters quite regularly, but as far as my children, I just wasn't allowed to talk to them.

And so, you know, she would tell me about them how they were doing. Right. And so it was New Year's Day that we showed up to my parents' house. And they were super surprised, like so shocked. And that I was with John McAvey. They were even more surprised. Like, how in the world does this happen? Yeah.

So I guess just shocked, you know, not really understanding how the- But it wasn't a whole turn around, leave. No, no. Well, they couldn't because he was at the door with me, right? So maybe they wanted to, but, you know, the situation was different. You know, I wasn't coming. I wasn't there alone, right? So he kind of was an advocate for me because I'm not sure what my parents thought about me.

But I believe that they just thought that I just didn't want to be a mom no more. I wanted to go out and have this wild crazy life. and that was so far from what actually was going on. I mean, obviously there was, you know, there's good times. You go out your club and whatever because you're working. That's just the environment that you're in, but it's not a good time. You know, you're, so it just wasn't what they thought it was, you know. Anyway, so that's how they came to know that I was with John McAfee.

And they just kind of rolled with it. They didn't really ask any questions. they just, it was just, okay, she's with John. You know, again, they hadn't seen me in so many years. Right. It was just what. So it went as well as could be expected. Yeah.

Yeah. So now you want to get a job. He's saying you cannot get a job. Yeah. And you want to get a pet. Yeah. So I have a dog. So we got a dog, tequila.

Yeah. It's a little simple request. So we get this dog. That's a big deal, by the way. You understand? This has been an argument for two years with my wife. And I am, we're not getting a dog. Why not?

Because where does the dog right now? Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. And I've told her when we go to a studio and we are not longer doing, you know, of course she's like, you could put the dog in the garage. You could put him in a, no, no, he sits there and barks nonstop. Yeah. And, you know, no.

And so there's all these agreements. Okay. You know, so now we're moving to a studio. We can get a dog. I even have it in our contract. I even wrote a Colby read. Okay. Colby came over the other day.

She pulls out this little agreement that I wrote up. And she's like, she showed Colby. She's like, do you see what he's got written down here? And it's the whole thing. You're taking care of the dog. Okay. You feed the dog. You take care of them.

You take them to the vet. Okay. You walk him. I will walk him occasionally as when I decide. You say this now. When the dog gets here. He doesn't sleep in the bed. And she's,

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still these are the rules they may I'll alter them later as I see fat I don't want to be I don't have a dog okay you've never had a dog no I've had what I'm saying okay she's that's her dog right it's her that's funny that's no it's never works that way you say this now it's going to be your dog no I understand but I'm saying that's a big deal like to me you know you see people haphazardly get dogs and then six months later they're they're so They want to get rid of the dog. Yeah. I think it's just a big commitment, you know.

You have to think about it. Yeah. It's good that you say that now, because that's what I say now. I'm like, this is your dog. Remember, remember when we got this dog, like, what I said. Yeah. Like, this is your responsibility. Oh, yeah, that's what I want to be.

At 4 o'clock in the morning when she's like, can you take the dog out? Right. And I'm not taking your dog out. You get out of bed. So, anyway, I hear you. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. You get a dog.

You're going to love the dog. So yeah, we get a dog. Well, actually, what I did was I wanted a little cute little doggy, you know, a little purse dog. And so I bought a dog for two grand. I found one on mine. And he was like, you're not spending two grand on a dog. He's like, get your money back and I will take you to rescue and we'll go get a dog. So we ended up going to rescue and we found Tequila.

She's a red nose pit bull and she was awesome. and so now I have this dog I have you know just something to keep me a little less lonely and in March my daughter my oldest daughter had a birthday and I thought it would be a good idea so stupid I just wanted to floss on the pimp right I want to floss on the pimp and if you guys don't understand what that means I just want to show off you know like look at what I'm doing with my life and look what he's doing for me this is something that you never did in the almost 10 years that I was with you. You know, I'm able to take my daughter.

We had this awesome birthday party at Great America. It was great. All her friends got to go. And, you know, I had a car and, you know, I'm living life. And so super stupid because obviously he knew about it, you know. I should say as well, you know, I don't know if our apartment was bugged or anything when my car was bugged. I just assumed that it was, right?

So I assumed that he knew everything that was happening because I go back really quickly to the 50K that was brought by the security. That's what we discussed in our house, you know, in our condo in Miami. So how would he have heard that, that specific number, you know, if not for maybe. No, no, no, no. Well, I had my own cell phone. And obviously that could have been, you know, used to listen in. But so the assumption was that I was being watched and listened to at all times. And so John was very upset about this and we end up getting into a fight. He kicks me out, but he kicks me out with nothing. Well, not nothing. I mean, with my clothes and the dog. He kicked

the dog out too. And, um, wait, did I miss something? Why did he kick you out? Because it was, well, it had to do with me trying to floss and show off for the pimp, yeah. Also because he had a girlfriend or a little flavor of the week and she didn't want me at the house. And so, um, He kicked me out for that as well because she didn't want me there. So we're out on this street. I have no money, right? Well, I had a little bit of money. So I called one of my regulars who, you know, would bail me out from time to time in the past.

And he sent me a couple hundred dollars so I could get a hotel. So I'm in a hotel. And now I'm trying to think long-term strategy because I'm thinking for me it's over. Like we're done. You know, this situation was good while it lasted. but um so i wanted to get back to california with my with my sister just to be closer to my family until i figured out what i was going to do but i didn't want to ask family for money because i didn't think that they would help with that so i foolishly thought it was a good idea to ask the pimp to send me

some money so i can get a plane ticket and and leave so instead of him sending me money he sends me a guy a client and so this guy comes and pays me $300. We do our business. And after he says, so same as a cab driver. So you know John McAvey, yeah? I was like, nope. I have no idea who you're talking about.

And he was like, okay, well, listen, you know, your pimp told me that you know John McAvey. And we're going to have a meeting with your pimp and we just want to talk to you about John McAfee. So I'm like, okay, whatever. But immediately I'm like, oh, crap. What is what's happening now? So in this meeting, the gentleman did, he didn't come back, but he's on the phone.

He's on speakerphone. And there's another pimp from Portland and another pimp from California that's there with my Pimp. And this. Is there like a Pimp network? Well, it's a pretty small community. Okay. Everybody's on a group chat? Yeah.

Well. So, yes. I'm here in this room with these three pimps, my pimp included. And the same man that came and paid me is on the phone. And he explains that he is a representative of the Sinaloa cartel. And they are wanting to collect information on John McAfee. And they want me to do that for them. And so immediately I'm like, hell no, I'm not doing none of that.

Like, this is crazy. Like, what is y'all talking about? Now, this is a big no-no. I'm in a room with pimps, pimps that aren't mine, right? You're supposed to be seen and not heard. So the fact that I was, you know, being vocal about what I ain't going to do was a huge violation. And so my pimp made me go in the bathroom. And while they finished the conversation or whatever.

And then he called me out and the one pimp from California said, you know, I don't give a F if they, that the word snitches. I don't know. Can I curse? Yeah, you know. Okay. If that bitch snitches, you know, I'm killing her, you know, and I'm killing her family. So I have this threat hanging over me, yeah.

And, you know, my pimp is like, like, just relax. They just want you to let him know, you know, what he's doing, you know, who's around, all of the stuff. It's like, it's not even a big deal. And I was like, well, first of all, I can't do it because I'm not with him. Like, we, like, it kicked me out. Like, there's not, we're not together anymore. so I don't know what you think I can do for you.

And then also, even if we did happen to get back together, if I'm telling you stuff, he's going to know that I'm the one telling you it. Right. So this doesn't make any sense to me. So I guess, John, again, I'm being watched and listened to at all times, right? So he eventually calls me after this meeting has happened. And he comes to the hotel, and so we make up. for, I guess we make up, whatever.

And I go back with him to the apartment. But I believe that he came because of this meeting that was had, you know. And possibly he kicked me out because maybe there was some conversation that was happening outside of me that I wasn't privy to. And so to see where that went, you know. So what do you think the concern with the Sinaloa, the member of the Sinaloa cartel, what do you think they're they they only want you to gather information is it that they they're concerned that he may be meeting with government officials to turn over this information or on them or what no to collect him oh they're still they're still just trying to trying to get him

to a point where he's vulnerable and they can grab him exactly okay right and they need someone to let them know when that is right right okay okay so that's so that is the only concern. Again, because... The only concern as much again they want to have a chit-chat.

Right. Because whacking him so easy. They could have done that any number of times, but obviously they needed the information. They needed to know

where it was. And so they couldn't just whack him. Right. They had to collect him. So you're back in the apartment. So I'm back with John. Back in the apartment.

You've got the dog back. And life goes back to what it was prior to me getting kicked out. Except I've got this huge secret. Now, I don't tell John a few years before I actually told him what was going on.

But again, I'm operating under the assumption that he's, you know, can see all, here, all knows all. And he did. You know, he would later say that he did. Yeah, because there's, from the moment he gets back to the U.S., like there's no real, you know, there are these huge gaps where, where I know something would be on the news. something would happen here something would you know but so there is no real um you know something that

chain that kind of ties everything together but you would tie that together have you ever been interviewed for like a book or anything has anybody you somebody that has to have written a book right like have you written a book no i there will be a book i think one day i would hope so um why wouldn't you write the book i'm not a writer i'm not a writer it doesn't make much of it you write like a you write like a paragraph or two a day and you look back a year later and you go, holy shit, I got 300 pages though. I'm done. Yeah, you write an outline. Okay.

Here's the thing. You write a five or six page outline with just bullet points. Talk about this. Talk about this. Okay. You're doing it right now. You probably could have dropped this thing in a chat, GPT, and it'd do it almost for you. And then you just, but, you know, you write the outline.

And you kind of go through and it'd be perfect for you. You could start at where you started here. Okay. And then I would leave this in. You start at where you, because that's like, oh, my, you know, that is the end. Yeah. But then you could jump back to telling an overview of kind of his life. That doesn't even have to be long.

That's a chapter. It's maybe six, seven pages. Okay. Because people kind of know the story. Yeah. And it's an interesting story, right? It is very interesting. So, you know, but you don't have to go super involved in that.

And then you can get to the point where things started going on, you know, where he sells the company. And things start, you know, escalating. and he leaves the United States and kind of like where the second part of his story changed, you could probably do two chapters on his life and leading up to it. And then by chapter three, he's probably in Belize. You can explain that whole thing over several chapters. And then you get to where you enter the picture.

But keep in mind, you don't even have to interview anybody for the book. For the quotes and stuff, you can go straight to YouTube. and go to, what was the guy's name we talked about? Oh, Jimmy, Jimmy Watson. Yeah, you go to him and you just watch that. You could get a transcript of that. You just pull pieces out of when he enters.

Like there's so many interviews. You don't even have to do much interview. You don't have to probably do any interviewing if you didn't want to. You just go to these YouTube, get the transcripts, and just pull out what's helping to tell the narrative that you're laying out. And before you know it, you have a 300 page book written. by you and which may, if done like that, may be the most complete version of his story. And even though his, you know, him making money and the antivirus selling the company,

that whole thing, it's interesting as an entrepreneurial story. But what makes it even more interesting is what happens later. Right. That's what sets it apart. There's lots of entrepreneurs that had an idea and ran with it and it turned into something. And they, you know, they made, you know, whatever, 10 or 100 or 50 million, whatever that number is. There's lots of those guys, which are all interesting. But it's the second part that makes all of it like, oh, my God.

Like what is really happening here? And you're on the inside knowing what really happened and able to put it together. in pieces in a way that nobody else that I haven't heard. You think, you know, you think, well, that's probably something's probably happening there. What is it? Well, I know. Or at least I know what John thought was happening. Yeah.

You know, I know what I saw. I know what he said was happening. I know what you put it all together. You probably have a super more interesting story than just a basic documentary where it's kind of one-sided. But anyway. That's great advice. I'm full of good advice. It's pulling the trigger.

But yeah, you'd be shocked. You think, oh, I'm not a writer. I'm not a writer, but I'm a hell of a storyteller. And you're already telling a great story. You're already you're already subtly kind of gleaning over or giving a very short version of what's not interesting. You're like, well, I need to mention that. So let me mention it. But I'm not going to focus on that.

And you're already focusing on what is interesting. You're saying, hey, this is kind of neat. Let me go ahead and expand all that. You're talking about that for five minutes, this for one minute, this for seven minutes, this for two minutes, because you know those are, you need to, they need to know this. Yeah. But it's not interesting. Right.

But it does, they do need to know it because I know in 30 minutes from now it's going to tie back in. Right. You're already doing that. You're already a good storyteller. Thank you. So the writing the story, the rest of it, you can drop in chat GPT. And then you just toy with it. There are no great writers.

There are great rewriters. Nobody just sits down and writes an amazing book. Nobody. You write the book, it's dog shit, and you rewrite it three different times. It's just tweaking here, tweak here, tweak here. And then before you know it, you give it to somebody and they walk up to you with tears in their eyes and say, man, that part about your dad, bro, I'm so sorry. And you're like, what fuck just happened? The guy, like, gives you a hug and you're like, oh, my God, I think I got a good story here.

You don't realize it. Right. Right, because it's your story. Right. Yeah. A fish doesn't realize he's surrounded by water. Right. Right.

So you're in the place. We got the dog back. McAfee's back in the picture. Yeah. You know, something's going on. I'm back at the apartment. So the gentleman that was the cartel representative actually worked with John. And because John was working on, they were working

on a script because they were going to do a movie about his life or a documentary. Well, they had the script, so I think it was supposed to be a movie. So there was, you know, directors, writers he was talking to. And this gentleman, he came to our apartment and he put something in front of the TV. I'm assuming it's something to listen and watch or whatever. And so knowing that John knows what's happening, I was very surprised that, for for one that he kept this guy around so close, but two, that he allowed him to put whatever that device was in our house. I think he was setting up the cable. And so it was just a really intense time for me because I had the Pimp calling me nonstop and, you know, why, why am I not

checking in and giving him information? Because he was the go-between. I was supposed to give the information to the Pimp and he'd take it to whomever. And, you know, I would just explain, you know, he's watching me. He's suspicious, right? You keep calling me, you know, and there's no way to do it without him knowing that I'm, that I'm doing it, right? And so very quickly, them asking me to provide information turned into, okay, we're going to give you this. I want you to put it in his food. And it was like some grainy substance. I don't know. It was like in a little baggy. They wanted me to put it in his food. And I remember I was so scared. I was so scared. I was scared that who's going to find it on me because I didn't just throw it away. You know, I was like, okay, well, I'm going to put it

like I put it deep in some drawer or something. I was never going to use it, but I didn't know what to do with it. And so really quickly, oh, we were going to have, we were going to have, we were going have dinner one night, right? And we were going to cook together, but then John got busy on the phone. And so, you know, I was hungry. So I went ahead and cooked. And he came out of the bedroom. And he stopped in the doorway. And he was like, oh, you cooked. I'm not eating that. And I was like, yeah, I was hungry. And so I said, do you want some? And he's like, yeah, sure, I'll take some. And so he's watching me. So what I did was I just stirred everything, gave it a big stir.

right so he could see everything's mixed together you know and i i you know took my food and made him you know a plate and so he he did it was it was broccoli and i think some sort of pasta and chicken right so he took a little bit of each and was like tossing it to the dog right and he later would tell me that he did this because he knew that i loved the dog and i would never poison the dog so if there was something in it I would not allow him to give it to the dog. So, yeah, it was just, I mean, little things, it was super funny. Right. So again, proving the point or proving to me that indeed he did know all he was watching

and hearing and listening. So he knew what was happening, right? And then that turned into, okay, well, let's, you know, because I was driving, you know, John will let me drive him around, right? Which is, I guess, a big no-no in his world as well. You know, like his security was not happy with me at all. They, like, well, they wanted me gone. Whether that was whacked or whether that was just out of his life, I don't know.

But they wanted me gone. It was a big deal that I was driving for him, you know, that he heard a lot of, he got a lot of slack for that. But so anyways, I would drive him around and they, you know, my pimp would say, okay, we'll leave the car parked over here, you know, so they could do something to it, you know, to sort of disable it. So what I would do is when I would go to see my children, I would tell John, listen, don't go out at night by yourself, let somebody else drive you. Don't park the car over here, park it in the parking garage. So while they were telling me to do things, I was telling John how to protect himself from the things that they were telling me to do. Right. So it was just a very tricky situation, you know, because I was not on board with what the Pimp was trying to do.

Not at all. You know, for me, the situation with John was one of a potential escape, right, from the previous version of myself, from that prostitute that I was, from that life completely, from the pimp. But now I've got this added situation of the cartel, you know. But John was going to be, for me, my avenue to get to a better version of myself, you know, to turn over a new leaf or new chapter, whatever, you know. And so that was my goal, right?

And so that's why I was telling him, hey, this is how you protect yourself. Well, I didn't tell him this is how you protect yourself. But I'm just saying, you know, this is do these things, you know, don't, you know, don't deviate from what I'm telling you and you'll be fine. And so we then began traveling. John was doing like a lot of keynotes, speeches, and there would be people there that were there to do harm to John. And so I remember distinctly one person, after one of these keynotes that he had given, someone came up to him and said, hey, John, here's a drink. You know, and I immediately,

you know, took the drink and, you know, tossed it. You know, not with a person seeing, but, you know, I just, you know, interfered with that. And we traveled with. with, you know, he traveled with security because there was just this constant threat. You know, and now I know of, you know, I'm a part of that threat, right, as well as a part of, you know, trying to be the solution or, you know, help him protect himself from the threats, yes? So in the summer of 2013, the Belizean soccer team came to play soccer in some tournament that was happening in Portland. And when they came, there was like an excessive amount of people that flew in and not all of them returned when the flight returned.

This was what the information John shared. So in our neighborhood, we began to see people that looked Caribbean, people that looked black that were black, but they weren't black like I'm black. Anyways, there's a difference. So, and that matters because the neighborhood was very white. It was a very white neighborhood. I was probably the blackest person in the neighborhood. So to see these people all of a sudden, this influx of people not really doing anything,

you know, didn't move there. They were just kind of milling around. It was very concerning, you know, and they were kind of milling around our apartment. Our apartment was right on 20th on Hawthorne, right on the corner. We were on the fourth floor. So we had like an L-shaped.

So we had a view of both roads, the main road, Hawthorne, and then 20th Street. So we could see here. kind of hanging out. There was a thrift shop right across from us. There was a pizza shop across this way and a small movie theater. So there would be people just sitting there for hours at a time, just sitting, not doing anything. And so this is very concerning for John. So we had security there in Portland that was traveling with this. He's a biker. He and his girlfriend. And so they actually moved in with us during this time because John was going out of town a lot.

and he didn't want me to be by myself. So there is a report in the news that John died of an overdose in a Vegas hotel, right? And so he's getting phone calls all day. Just out of the blue? Yeah, just out of the blue. Just out of the blue. He tweeted actually about it. He said something to the effect of the news of my death has been greatly exaggerated or something.

But he was getting phone calls all day from people asking if he was okay. and so then after that, the security was arrested on trumped-up charges for abuse, right? So now we're without our security, and now this story has gone out that John is already dead, yes? So one evening we are sitting watching, we're binge watching, I think it was a family guy, and I just happened to look out of our window and I see this, pickup truck and this guy gets out in a work vest and he flashes his flashlight four times down our street and i said to john hey this guy just you know i don't know what he's doing he's flashing his flashlight so the guy does it again when john is there in the window and he's like okay turn the lights

off immediately we turn the light all the lights are off tv's off it's dark and he's watching he's got his binoculars he's watching he's in the windows watching what's going on for a couple of hours. And then he calls me and he's like, do you hear a motorcycle idling? Like, no, I don't hear anything. Now, I'm tired. And I'm like, I don't hear anything.

I don't know where you're talking about. I'm going to go lay down. So I go and lay down. And about two in the morning, he comes and he wakes me up and he says, get up. They're here. We have to leave right now.

He tells me that there was two cop cars. an SUV and a garbage truck that pulled up, and they were in front of our building, right? And so this is the problem. We run out, we run down the opposite end of our hallway, we run down the stairs, and we end up in the parking garage of our apartment. And, you know, John is like running around like a madman, trying to find somewhere for us to hide. So our apartment building is on top of a dentist office and a coffee shop.

And so there was doors that led into the parking garage from these businesses. And so he's trying all the doors, trying to find somewhere for us to hide. So all of the doors were locked. And he goes into the trash room. And he's like, okay, get in here in the dumpster. I'm not getting in there. That's disgusting. That's nasty.

So he's like, fine then. He turns the light off in there. And he's trying to figure out where we can hide. So in our parking garage, there was a lot. lower level underground and then the main level and then an upper level and it kind of worked on an elevator system right and so he said okay well can you climb up here so we climb up and we hide under a car and i'm sitting there first of all i'm thinking like they're going to kick us out of our apartment when they see us on their security camera running like crazy people in the middle of the

night in the parking garage and i'm also like i don't even know like why how like he's lost it he's lost his mine. He's absolutely crazy. I don't know what's happening. Mind you also, I should say that in the parking garage, the lights are motion detected, right? So the lights are on while we're moving around doing all this crazy stuff. So we get settled under the car. Eventually, the lights go off, right? And then maybe five or ten minutes after that, we hear the click of the, so the key fob, And you put the key fob to, you know, to come into the parking garage. It's a very, there's a very loud click of it unlocking. So we heard that click.

And then the lights come on, but you don't hear anyone. You don't see anyone. Okay. And the lights stayed on all night, right? Now, you can feel, you could feel the movement, but you couldn't hear anyone walking. You couldn't, you know, they weren't talking. And in the lobby, there was like a lot of commons.

motion, a lot of, just a lot of noise. And you could also hear the garbage truck idling, or what I assumed was the garbage truck. You know, they have a very distinct sound. So you could hear that idling out front as well. So again, a lot of commotion happening in the, in the lobby. And then you hear the click again and the garage store is opening now for into the parking garage. And so it opens up. You hear the garbage bin being rolled out, right? And it's, you know, lifted and all the things. The garbage truck is doing its thing to empty the bin and it's rolled back in. And then maybe half hour later, you hear this loud, fuck in the lobby. Yeah? Because we weren't in there. Because the assumption was that we were in there.

Because the light was turned off. I think this was something that John, always made reference to. I'm not sure why that was important, but I guess psychologically, if you're looking for someone and you go and you think that they're in this trash room and the lights off in there, then you would think that they would probably be hiding in there.

I don't know. But we were just literally right there. And honestly, if they would have just, whoever was walking in there, if they would have just bent over, they would have seen us underneath the car hiding there. And so we stayed under there. After that, you know, big loud F bomb, we stayed on there there.

There was still some commotion happening. Then you heard the garbage truck then leave eventually. The lights stayed on for a little longer, maybe another hour or so, and then they went off. But we stayed under there. And then our neighbor was the first time. leave. Our neighbor was someone that had moved in newly. So our apartment was on the end of the hall and this apartment across from us. These people had just moved in maybe the month before. And so they were the first to leave, maybe about six in the morning. And also, I should say that our building had been

sold a month prior, like just randomly out of the blue. Like we had Virginia. She was a sweet lady. That was our apartment manager of the building. And she put a notice on the door saying that they were going to, you know, the building had been sold. There was going to be new management. And then the very next day, we had new management. And this gentleman was not really management, really. He came in like maybe noon, you know, barely did anything. And he was just kind of a warm body, if you will.

And so the next person to come in was actually him. And he came in about seven in the morning. and he went directly into the, I guess, surveillance room. I don't know what you would call it, but where they have the cameras. Right. Right. He stayed for maybe a minute or two and then he left. And so, you know, as it's getting later and later, I tell John, you know, we might, you don't need to get out of here now because, you know, in case someone comes to go to work and they see us under their car.

So we get up, we go back to our apartment. we call the girlfriend of the security that had been arrested and tell her what happened. She comes to meet us because now we're leaving. So we're packing up what little bit of stuff we needed the essentials and we were going to leave. And as we were leaving our neighbor who's apartments next to the elevator, she's coming out as well. And so John happens to say to her, hey, did you notice anything strange happening last night? And she was like, yeah, I was just going to go down and talk to the manager. She said it was really loud.

There was a lot of commotioning happenings. Like people were in the hallway talking really loudly. This was just confirmation of, you know, what we had just lived through. So we get downstairs. The manager's there. And he doesn't see us come out of the elevator. Our neighbor goes and she's talking to him. And then he turns around and he sees us and he goes white like a ghost.

You know, John just mentioned to him as well, you know, what was going on last night. And so what I thought was strange about his response was that he didn't say, well, yeah, you guys were like, what were you doing in the parking garage? She looked stupid. Like, what were you running around for? But the fact that he completely avoided that was just telling to me, you know, because, I mean, I guess I just assumed that maybe he was in on it or he knew about what happened or what should have happened. Just his response to seeing us there was very telling. So later, John finds out that I guess this was a big operation. It was massive.

It had to have been massive. And it was something that the Pimp didn't know about. And I think for me, it just, it scared me because it meant that there was something happening outside of what I knew about that was a lot bigger than what I did know about. Because this was a massive operation to buy an apartment complex to put in your people. Right? To have this whole setup of maybe they were real police, maybe they weren't, I don't know, garbage chuck, all of the things, all of the costs that that would have incurred. And so now I'm like super spooked, you know. So we left Portland and we made our way to Utah. And we stayed there for a couple of days. Sean, I guess just trying to figure out where we should go next. So eventually the girlfriend of the security she left and went back to Portland. And we made our way to Colorado Springs.

So then after we'd been there for a few months, John does an interview with Fox News. I forget the interviewer, but I remember it very well because when John would do these interviews, he would ask that they not describe or tell where he is. Because, you know, they'll say, oh, we have so-and-so from this, you know, Right, so he had asked that they did not do that. And so they were honoring that, you know, when he was doing his interviews. We would go into focus on the family. They had a big, you know, studio there.

So we would go in there and do the filming there. And on this particular interview, the gentleman said, you know, we have John McAfee from, you know, Colorado Springs. And so, you know, we both noticed it immediately. And that was that was not okay. because then, you know, it didn't take long for people to show up in our neighborhood. So the first thing that we noticed was that there was a new, this is so stupid, but if there was a new, like, Wi-Fi, you know, when you're going onto Wi-Fi, you can see all the Wi-Fi that's in range and something said.

FBI surveillance van number two. Yes, something, well, something said not that exactly, but if something said something like FBI or something. So I don't know what happened. But anyways, so after that, John decided that it was time to get authorities involved, right? So we go to the FBI, and I'm thinking for sure that I'm going to be arrested because, obviously, he knows, you know, what I've been doing, right? He's probably got the evidence of it.

And so that's what I think we're going there for. But, you know, he goes in there and he, you know, we go in there together in the office together with the FBI agent and John's kind of telling his story of, you know, of his life and what's been happening since he's been back to America and why he, you know, felt like he needed, you know, some protection or just to alert them of what was going on. And then they asked me to leave and I thought for sure that they were going to call me in and they're going to do all this questioning and it's going to be crazy. But nobody asked me anything, which was really, really strange, you know, but I think they didn't believe him because no one, no one investigated

anything no one so he so he did they thought he was he was paranoid um it's possible you know I don't think I don't know that he went in there like with a folder of you know right evidence I don't know what he could have showed them on the phone but I just don't think that they believed him at all so um so we just went on about our lives and so while while we were there there was just a lot of strange things that were happening like nothing overly concerning nothing overly like threatening just just strange, you know, activity. People coming and, you know, sitting and parking, but not doing anything, you know, kind of just watchers, if you will. And this was something I also experienced when I would go be with my kids, you know, in California. Like, I had people watching me there, not his people,

because I knew the difference between his people watching me and other people watching me, because I didn't feel unsafe when his people were watching me, you know. So there was just this constant threat always. And so I go, I make, I get on the fly to go to California to see my kids and John is there still at the hotel. And then he calls me like the next day or something and he's like, listen, I've got people following me. And he said I'm going to go, I might go dark for a little bit, but I'll reach out to you when I can. And, you know, eventually he makes his way to me in California. I'm not sure exactly what all happened, but he was very concerned for his safety. So he makes his way to me in California. He says, we had to leave. You're like, you can't,

you can't stay here. You know, otherwise we'll be putting them in danger. So you need to come with me. And I'm assuming that's because I was in danger as well. There's potential threat around me as well. So we left together. And we're driving now to, I don't, know why we went to Arizona. I don't know what exactly, maybe he was trying to make his way back to Tennessee, so I don't know exactly the goal, right? We were just driving away from, you know, California, but we are being followed on the highway, okay? And we're trying to figure out how they're finding us, like how are these people finding us and following us this way? Because I didn't, my phone, battery was out of my phone. Like, I'm, like, I'm super, like,

I've been properly, the fear of God has been instilled in me, right, ever since Portland. So I wasn't dicking around, you know, like phones off. I wasn't telling my family where I was. I wasn't checking it with a pimp. Like, none of that was happening during this time at all. Because now it's, now it's my life on the line, right? I mean, before it was just his, but still, you know, if anything happened to him, well, who do you think they're going to come back to?

Me, obviously. Right. So there was that sort of, you know, making sure nothing happened to him for that. But now I'm in danger as well. So now I'm extra alert and on guard. And so John has his head of security who he had for like 20 years working for him, a man named John Poole as well. And he came to meet us with also the girlfriend of the biker security that we had in Portland.

So she comes as well. So he brings a rental car. They bring a rental car. and we're in John's pickup truck that he had bought, right, that he had had all along, yes? And so we're outside of a Walmart in the parking lot because we're trying to figure out how they're following us, right? And it turns out there was a low jack on the truck. So none of us thought about that, right?

Because there's just really extremely strange things happening with these people following us and how they were figuring out where we were with our phones not being on and the batteries when they were still making phones where you could take the battery out. So we all get into the rental car. So I'm wearing, I'm in full burqa. John's up front. He's got the security woman. And we're riding in this rental car.

Nobody knows that it's us. However, we're still in the same vicinity of where we left our truck. Right. And so John's like, you know, everything's cool. like we don't have to worry and I'm like no I said there's this car that's following us right and it's been following us right I said if this vehicle turns when we turn and I want you to understand that we're being followed still and so we made a right turn and sure enough this um it was a white pickup truck it turned with us right so John is now he's on it right and he's like okay so he speeds up

and then they speed up so then he slows down ridiculously slow like maybe 20 miles an hour and we're on this like two lane highway right he slows down so super slow and they slow down you know normally you're going to go around someone driving that slow right but they didn't so he speeds up

and he's doing like over 100 miles an hour now and they're full on chasing us now at this point right and so at some point maybe they got a call or in order to back off because they slowed down And we kept going, you know, into this town that we were coming up on. And we were almost out of gas.

So we had to stop and get gas. And, you know, I'm telling John, we need to hurry up and get out of here. We got to go. We got to go. He's like, no, I got this. We just need to chill and just cruise. And so that's what we did. And we were able to get out of town, you know, from whatever that was.

We made our way to New Mexico. And then we met up again with his head of security, who was in the pickup truck. and we separated from the young lady and we made our way to Tennessee, which is where John Poole lived. So we were now living with him on his property in the backwoods, Tennessee. And like nobody's coming back there if they don't live back there. And if they are coming back there and our unwanted gas, well, they're going to be handled as such. So we felt extremely safe there, yeah. And we stayed there for a while.

still going out and John doing his keynote speeches, still doing his interviews, but that was our home base and extremely safe there. We go to Ireland, and in Ireland, that's where I told John what happened, what was happening. I told him about the Pimp. I told him about the Cartel Representative. I told him about everything they asked me to do and all of the things, like, completely came clean about all of that stuff. And so I was really, really scared because I didn't know what he was going to do. You know, I mean, he didn't, obviously, he was pissed, you know. I thought you were going to say.

He said, oh, I know all that. No, he didn't, well, in so many words, you know, he didn't say, yeah, well, I was watching or listening or anything. But, you know, he was like, Jesus, you know, like you could have got me killed. You know, like, you could have got yourself killed. You could have got me killed. You know what I'm saying? And he's, you know, he's very upset because of the position that put him in with his security, right? Because now they're like, well, who is this broad that you can't just get rid of her?

Right. Like, she's putting you in danger. She's making our job a lot more difficult. And I think him keeping me around gave him a perceived weakness that he didn't have. But people just assumed that I was a weak link for him, you know. Right. And so that caused a lot of difficulty, I believe, down the road, you know, just with relationships, you know. And so everything's out in the open.

We come back to America and we are living our lives, right? And we move out of the security head of securities place and we're now moved to Lexington, Tennessee. We're still in Tennessee, but we have our own place. And the pimp shows up to Tennessee. Now, after all of this time, now I haven't been in contact with him during this time. So he shows up. And same situation, you know, same sort of, okay, well, these things you need to do for us, right?

Because, you know, whatever. I think he was trying to just say, if I didn't do it, you know, my kids will be in danger. you know and obviously he would be in danger and i didn't care about that but you know he just was threatening you know my family and so i was very concerned about that but i didn't i didn't tell john because now because of what i'm supposed to say like i just i just come clean and it's like now i have but i still have this threat hanging over me because i don't know how serious this cartel threat is to me personally because i didn't take you any money from them, right? It would have been one thing if they paid me directly, right,

but I wasn't paid. He, the Pimp was paid, you know, and I was threatened. But I did know that when I went back to California to see my kids, I had people following me who were clearly cartel, you know, Mexican people following me, so much so that my son noticed, you know, that we were being followed one day when I was there. So, um, there was just a strange. There was just a trust issue with John. You know, I just didn't trust him. Even though I had come clean about all of that stuff that had happened prior to, I just didn't trust him to protect me or even to protect my children, you know? And so, so I didn't share with him this new threat that was happening, right? But life continues to go on. And then John runs for president. And, um,

Which was a wacky time. Right. Yeah, it was. And I'm not even sure. Yeah, it did really come out of nowhere. You know, all along he's just been doing things to reinvent himself, right? Like we did the How to Uninstall McAfee video, which went viral. It was pretty funny, actually.

I don't know if you've seen it, but you should watch it. I've heard it. I haven't seen the video, but I know he made one. Yeah, it's kind of awesome. And so he basically just took all of the news of what they said about him, how he was paranoid and he always had guns and he was probably a drug addict or whatever and always with women. So we kind of did like a parody of how to uninstall.

Yeah, what was the, what was this? Yeah, is there any more like how did that idea come about? Because that's a viral clip that's kind of mentioned in all these, you know, documentaries or whatever. It's got millions of use. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. John was just, I don't know who thought of it, but John was like, he just thought it was a good idea because there was just a lot of news, a lot of negative press about him, you know, at the time. This is before him running for president, obviously. And so I think this was closer to after he was back in America. It's about a few months into that, maybe that first year when we did that video. And so I think he was wanting to just shift the narrative of what was being, you know, said about him to just kind of lean into it, right, and make a parody of it, if you will.

So that's, that was kind of the idea behind that. So it wasn't a serious run. No, God, no. Oh, the presidential. No, that was very serious, actually. Okay. But I think it was mostly him wanting to, because he couldn't be whacked on the presidential, on the campaign, right?

You can't, like, you know, that just... People try. But that helped a lot with as far as, you know, because he was on the campaign trail. So there was places that he needed to be, places that he was scheduled to be. And if he didn't show up, you know, people would ask questions.

There's a lot more, you know, you're a lot higher profile if you're doing that. More eyeballs. Yeah, yeah. People are watching you all the time. So it makes it a lot more difficult for these guys. Like, oh, do we want to, this guy is fucking, he's going to be here, he's going to be there. There's cameras following him all the time.

Yeah, it's not good. Yeah. So that was definitely, I think, a part of the plan, right? And this was also why he was doing these speeches and doing these news, you know, interviews because he wanted to keep his profile raised to make it more difficult for anyone to just sort of snatch and grab him. know. So the presidential run, that was crazy. It was, it was a fun time, though. It was a, it was a good time. It was a fun time. And, but it was also, I don't know, it was also kind of dangerous as well, just because even though the profile was raised, there were still people following us. There were still people trying to slip him a drink or, you know, trying to get him to a specific area. There was even an instance where he was, you know, was served for a lawsuit or something. He'd gotten word that he was going to, they were actually going to try to serve him on the convention floor at the national convention or the

libertarian party. But for what rate, what was the lawsuit? It was, I believe it was related to his neighbor that was murdered. I think it was for that. And so we actually had to intervene in that, you know, we kind of stayed out in the lobby area, just kind of watch. And, and, and, and, And they actually, one of the marshals, found, I think, one of his security that was with us and said, okay, well, we need to see Mr. McAfee. Because I guess they didn't want to go inside. I don't know how that happened. Anyways, just, I know Jimmy brought this up, so this is something that I'm touching on. But I think the presidential run and the speeches that John gave is the best.

glimpse into who he was behind the mask of that public figure image, that sort of crazy, paranoid madman that he leaned into as well. He really did lean into that. And I think it was necessary because he didn't have the money that he once had. When he left Belize, when he went to Belize, first of all, he took whatever money he had in the banks that went with him. So the bulk of his wealth was there in beliefs. So when he had to leave, that was all stolen from him. So when I met him, literally only the clothes on his back was what he had. And so without that wealth, there were different ways than that he had to, creative ways, he had to protect himself from this great threat that he had that would have been easy to do had, how do you have had still his money.

So I think leaning into that crazy drunk, you know, if you, I don't know if you know much about John, but he would do these mixology videos on Twitter where he's mixing these crazy alcoholic beverages. And so there was just this perception of himself that he was leaning into, that he was an alcoholic and that he was, you know, on drugs and just living wild and loose, you know. Was he on drugs? No. Oh, okay. No, he's just very calculated in the way that he had to maneuver publicly.

We moved houses in Tennessee. We moved to a lake house. There's a lot of crazy things happening there. That's where Jimmy entered into the scene at the end of the presidential run. And I think it was about 2017, Jimmy came. That's when he starts doing the cryptocurrency. Yeah, this is about that time where John gets into crypto. And so he's got to be making money again at that point.

Yeah. Yeah, well, he was doing, he was the keynote speeches I was doing, he was being paid for those. But not obviously nothing like what he was, you know, making with a crypto. Yeah, getting paid 30,000 or 50 or 80 or whatever it was. I don't know what it was. But, you know, getting paid that isn't, that doesn't, that doesn't keep, that that's not enough to have three security officers, you know, on staff and pay for all the things that it takes to be. I'm sure John McAfee. Yeah.

So. And it took a lot. So yeah, we had we had live in security, all ex-military that were living with us. But the crypto stuff must have been lucrative. It was fun. It was a fun time. I wasn't really so much involved in that just because,

just because I didn't want my hands in that because I just felt like the people that were involved in that, the things that John was saying to me about some of the people involved in that, he was concerned with some of them. So I didn't want to be a part of that and become someone's scapegoat, right, for whatever nefarious activity they may or may not have been involved in, yes. But the crypto time was very, it was a fun time because John, like they were always working. They'd be huddled in the kitchen or in the living room and they'd all be on their computers

and, oh, look at this coin. You should check out this coin. This is when John had his coin of the day going. And then I think he had the coin of the day going. And then I think he had the coin of the week. And the projects that he was getting involved in were actually projects that he believed in. So there wasn't just about making money. Right.

It wasn't just about pumping the price. You know, that's what the coin of the day was for, right? Or the coin of the week, you know. But also giving recognition to some projects that he thought might actually have a viable chance to do some good, you know. Right. So it wasn't meant to just only pump bags. you know, but that's what ended up happening. But the projects he was personally involved in as an advisor,

these were projects that he believed were in some way aligned with his core values, which was privacy and freedom, financial freedom. You know, this is what he wanted to bring to the market, if you will, right? Like he saw crypto as a way for everyone to be financial. essentially free. He saw it as a great leveler, right? Leveling the playing field where there wouldn't be this disparity between, you know, the wealthy and the not so much. And so during this time, you know, Jimmy becomes CEO eventually. We still have other security that's working there. We have, you know, live in team members that are living there with us. There was actually an attempt on John's life.

I want to say what's the summer of 2018. I'm surprised Jimmy didn't tell this story because he was actually the one that found him. So Jimmy had taken me to the airport. Now, we were now in North Carolina. We were just on vacation in North Carolina. And Jimmy had taken me to the airport with his wife as well. His wife was there. She was visiting.

So John was at the house with, I'm not sure if there was another security there, but there was a house full of people. some of the people there. And so what Jimmy told me was when he got back to the house, he said the house was completely dark. All the lights were off. Nobody, you know, he was calling out to people. Nobody was answering him.

And, you know, he said after about an hour or so, after not, you know, seeing anyone or hearing anyone, he said he went to go check on John. And because he had already tried to check on him but didn't hear John respond, he decided to then go inside or open the door. and that's when he found him on the floor in his own vomit,

kind of gasping for air, couldn't breathe. So they called an ambulance, rush him to the hospital. They actually had to airlift him to another hospital. It was pretty serious. So Jimmy calls me

to tell me what's going on. And so, but the problem was I couldn't fly out immediately. I had a court date. with my kids because my dad was wanting me to get custody. And so I was trying to wait for the court date and I figured, okay, Jimmy has this in hand. You know, Jimmy was calling me and updating me on everything. I did want to be there, but I just, I needed to take care of this with my kids. I didn't want

them to think that I was choosing him over them, right, even though it was a serious situation. She was a difficult choice I had to make. But anyways, you know, um, once, I guess once he was out of, once he was out of danger or out of, you know, any imminent danger of, you know, being permanently, I guess, injured or what have you. I didn't, I didn't know exactly what the situation was. I understand. It sounds like he, you know, drank too much or passed out and threw up. I mean, I'm not sure. I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure how serious at this time. I'm not sure yet how serious it is or what, or what exactly happened. nor did Jimmy tell me exactly what had happened.

So, so anyways, I eventually leave California and I get back to where John is. I go to John in the hospital, and they have him on a ventilator. And they're saying that if we take him off the ventilator, he could die because he's not getting enough oxygen. But the doctor just kept pressing this. Like he's going to die if you take him off the ventilator. I'm like, okay, well, but he's sitting up. It looks very alert to me. Like he's writing things out and he's like saying demanding take me off of this ventilator.

I don't want to be on it anymore. And so, you know, the doctor is really going back and forth with me about that. And I was like, okay, well, we all just watched him write this note saying that he wants to be removed from the ventilator. He wants it removed. So let's just do that, right? He's obviously of sound mind and body for him to have written this. So let's do that. So anyways, they take him off.

And John says that what happened was someone gave him a drink, and that was the last thing he remembered, and he woke up in the hospital. And so I don't know exactly still to this day what exactly happened. You know, I just know what John said and that it was pretty serious. They ended up putting a pick line in him. So whatever happened, it was very serious. And we get back to Tennessee, there was some. other things, just a lot of threats of danger, yeah. And so now we're back and we move now to

North Carolina. Jimmy's employment ended with us. Well, I'm not sure what was going on with Jimmy, but there was just this deterioration that was happening with him. You know, he just seemed to be more wired, more stressed, more just something was going on with him, you know. Um, And that came to a head one night where he just completely went off the rails. You know, his wife came upstairs and she's like, I'm concerned about him. He's got his gun and he's talking crazy. And so, you know, John said, okay, everybody just, you know, stay back, just leave him alone. You know, because obviously Jimmy with a gun, you know, it could be a very dangerous situation.

And so I think he described it as some sort of psychotic or mental break or something that happened with him. But from the outside looking in it, it was really scary, you know. And so he ended up spending the night. I guess he was like buried in the sand somewhere, you know. Yeah, he went out in the swamp, right? Yeah. He stayed, yeah, we were, and everybody was like super scared. We didn't know like what because he's armed, you know, you know, you know what?

know what's going on with him. And so John was like, when he comes back, no one talks to him except me. You know, I want to talk to him. And so, you know, John was just really concerned for Jimmy, you know, and we ended up getting him to go to a facility where they would look after him because he was, I guess, maybe suicidal or something. His wife came. So we got him in there, and that's how the relationship with Jimmy ended, you know. And then we found. found out some other things from other people that were working that Jimmy had been scaring everybody for quite some time because they just saw him kind of, you know, deteriorating in a way that we didn't get to see. So it was just something that happened,

that needed to happen, you know, whatever mental issues that he had, whatever break he had, that needed to be handled first. And so that's why we separated our, you know, and the relationship ended. So after Jimmy, it wasn't long after that John had gotten word that there was a grand jury that was convened and there was an indictment coming down the line against him, myself, Jimmy, and other people. For what? At the time, I don't think John knew. I think he might have known if it was tax-related. I just don't recall him sharing that. with me at the time. And so John was like, okay, well, we're going to have to leave. You know, we're going to have to leave before they're able to, you know, come and arrest us. And so before this,

before all of this had happened, he had purchased a boat that he was refurbishing, you know, getting it sea ready because it wasn't at all sea ready. It was, that was the freedom boat. The name of it was a great mystery. And by the time he had gotten news about the indictment, the boat was just about ready to go. So we ended up leaving. America January 2019 and we head to the Bahamas. What are you thinking that you were being indicted? When they said in your being indicted, would you were like, for what?

Right, exactly. That was exactly my reaction, I should say. Why? Like what did I do? What documents are you on? Like did he open up multiple accounts in your name? No, no, he never did that. But the homes were in my name.

All of our homes were in my name, except for the last home that we purchased, a couple cars. That explains it. My cars, you know. Well, there's what they consider to be, you know, money related to, you know, tax evasion that was used to pay for assets placed in somebody else's name. So you're hiding assets for them is what they're, the way they're looking at it. Well, at the very least, in order for them to seize those assets, they need to indict you. Right.

Okay. So they're not necessarily even thinking. she's in on it. She's actively doing this. But we're going to want to grab those properties. So let's go ahead and indict her. So she'll just sign them over. Okay.

See, my thing was that I thought they were just trying to, and as a way to get to him, right, to use me as a way to do that. That may be part of it. Because we actually didn't even have those, like the homes had already sold. So we didn't have those. I mean, the cars are not worth a lot.

I mean, but still, it's still assets, I guess, that they would want to seize. Right. So the more people are on the indictment, more potential witnesses there are against the main person that you do want. Right. Okay.

See, that's what I was thinking. They don't mind ruining your life to get you in a position where you're willing to testify. They don't mind doing that at all. Yeah. So this was why I decided to leave, you know, with John. You know, I didn't have to. But this was obviously, you know, who are they going to grab up? You know, the wife always goes to prison.

Right. But the Grove always gets it. It always gets whacked in the end. So this was, you know, my reasoning for going or what sort of pushed me over the edge for sure to go with him to the Bahamas. So we went to the Bahamas because there is no income tax there. So we could not be extradited from the Bahamas back to America. And so we were there maybe a month or so. And then John got word that they were going to try to arrest him for anything,

just to get him into custody so he could be shipped back to America. And we end up going into hiding for a few days while we were in the Bahamas. And John had installed security cameras on the boat. So we were able to tap into that. And we saw actually when they came on the boat to try to come and arrest him. And after that, we gassed up the boat, got food, and we left and went to Cuba. And Cuba was awesome, actually. Cuba is awesome. The Cuban people are such a beautiful people, like such a beautiful people.

They don't have much, but they are so happy and loving and what they do have. They're willing to share. And also it's like stepping back into the 50s because all of the cars that they have there is so weird. But we stayed there for a few months, I think, maybe a few weeks. I don't know. doesn't really matter. But anyways, we were there. And there was someone that came from the government. We weren't, John and I weren't there, so we didn't see this person. But anyways, they came and said that his presence was requested to come to this location because someone needed to speak with him. So we go there. It looked like some old army barracks. I don't know what exactly it was. And there was a general that John actually spoke to. And he said, you know, we're getting pressure.

from the U.S. to send you back to the U.S., but we don't want to do that. So instead, we're going to give you 72 hours to leave. And so that's what we did. You know, 72 hours came and we left. And we couldn't go back to the Bahamas, so we decided to go to the Dominican Republic. And that took four days. Four days, we ran out of water. We ran out of food.

We had our dogs with this. By this time we had four dogs, two German Shepherds, a Commodore, and tequila. So, and a three, two security, two security and Robert King, who had been filming, who was with John in Belize and did some filming for him there. He was one of the people that was with John when they took the picture and said we're with McAfee's suckers, that he was there with him as well. So he had filmed John's whole time on the run in Belize, and he was now with us when we left America. So he was filming that as well. and after four days we get to the Dominican Republic but when we get to the to the dock they had moved all of the boats to like the back side of the port I guess is that what's

called the port anyways to the port and so the front side where they asked as to pull into was completely empty and there were soldiers stationed on you know different areas kind of surrounding our boat where they told us to park our boat. And they wouldn't allow us to get off the boat. They wouldn't allow us to talk to anyone. So we were just sitting on our boat not knowing what was going on. Eventually, two people come and get on the boat, a man and a woman, and they tell us that we have to give up our phones. And they make us sit outside of the boat. Well, we had to put the dogs up in the captain's area. And then we had to stay outside on the back of the boat while they were in our boat, right? And they spent, I don't know, maybe a couple hours just in our boat doing

what I don't know. We didn't know at the time, but John did have a large amount of cash on him. So I should go back to that. When we first left the Bahamas, John sent two of the gentlemen that were living with us in America back to the states to close out his bank account. So when they came back, they came back with $500,000 in cash. Okay. Now, he didn't keep all of that money on him in cash. I'm not sure what he did with the rest of it, but he had about $100,000 in cash with him.

So when we went to Cuba, we had to declare these cash. Obviously, we had to declare it in the Bahamas as well, but we declared it in Cuba as well. Somewhere from there, I think they had gotten word about the cash that we had because that's the only thing that makes sense about why they refused to let us be on the boat while they were searching our boat. I mean, they completely ransacked our boat. They kept us four days in detention, right, in a jail, but they kept us in the cafeteria area for four days. No explanation. Nothing. They told us nothing. And after the fourth day, I think they allowed us to go back on our boat

to grab what we could, and then we were to leave again. they were supposed to put us on an airplane. So like I said, when we got on the boat, our boat was completely ransacked. I mean, everything was everywhere. And John said they actually asked him to show them where his money was. Right? So obviously, that's what they were obviously looking for.

And I think they were upset that they couldn't find it. So they were taking us, supposed to take us to an airport. They didn't take us to an airport. They took us to another facility where they had all of the prisoners in a barn. All of the men were in a barn, but the women were in their cells because that's where I went. And they had this empty area that was clear where they put John, Robert King, and then there was two other two securities that we had with us from the Bahamas. And they made John give up the money, give over the money, obviously.

But he had them counted out, and he said, I want a receipt for her. I don't even know. Anyways, but he asked for a receipt. I actually have pictures of that, of that. And I think they were still just trying to figure out how they could get a hold of this money, right? How they could, you know, have us leave and then be able to keep our cash. But I think John asking for us a receipt kind of thwarted whatever they were thinking that they could do. So we spent the night there.

Eventually we make it to immigration, where they tell us that we. are all being shipped back to our countries of origin. And John said, well, because he had dual citizenship of the U.S. and the U.K., he said, well, I want to go to the U.K. I don't, like, and you legally, you cannot force me to go back to the United States because I have another passport and I want to go here. So it became this whole thing. John got attorneys, was able to hire attorneys again to sort of bring.

his argument before the courts and again situation of needing time to file these motions. So John, no, not a heart attack this time. He faked a stroke this time. So it was really funny because he came, they were counting the money to give him back the money in another office across from us. And so he came over and he said, listen, don't be worried. I'm just doing my thing. So it's like, okay, whatever. So he goes back to the room where they're going to count out the money. funny. And then all of a sudden he falls over and he hits the floor, right? And so it's super funny because all of the people are like standing there like, really, sir. Like get up. Like we know what you're doing. Right. And so literally no one helped him. And when he came to, he pretended as

though he didn't know anyone. He didn't know what was happening. Who are you people? Where am I? Where's my wife? What is going on? Like he's freaking out. He's actually. actually a really good actor. And so they finally allowed me to go and talk to him. And I told them, I said, listen, they're making me leave. They're about to take me to the airport. Okay, I love you, but I got to, you know, I got to go. So now he's like, okay. So I'm now driven to the airport with everyone else, Robert King and the two gentlemen from the Bahamas. And we're all being taken to the airport to be sent back to our countries of origin. And when we got there, there was, got a phone call and said, bring her back because he's in the hospital. So they take me back

to the hospital. I see him. He's chilling. He's just like, oh, yeah, everything's cool, just waiting on word. And the attorneys show up and they're like all smiling like, yeah, we got it. And he's like, okay, well, you can't like act like that. He has to be a little more incognito. So anyways, um, long story short, the gentleman of the immigration then said, okay, Mr. McAfee, where would you like to go, right? Because now this motion has been filed in court and, and now, I guess, whatever he was trying to have happened was now not possible because of, you know, the legal maneuvers that were made. So they ended up purchasing us flights to go to the UK. And that's where we went. And we stayed there, John, on the flight over, John looked at a hotel

and with Bitcoin, I wish I remembered what the name of the hotel was, because it was really nice, actually. Bitcoin that we got to use to check in there, and we stayed there. We got there on a Friday, Friday evening, so all of the government offices were closed. So this obviously gave us time to make our exit. So John decided that we would leave on Sunday before, you know, anyone could open up and see that we were there because obviously the UK and the U.S. have a very close relationship and they would definitely have. have shipped us back. So we made our way deeper into Europe. Won't go into details of how we did that, but we made our way deeper into Europe. And eventually made our way to Spain. Right.

And that's where we were kind of hanging out. Detained? No, no, no. We were living. Living in hiding. Living our lives, free. It was really nice. It was a really nice time because, you know,

Nobody knew where we were. We were safe, but still able to go out in the world, you know, go and have lunch and dinner and do nice things. It was really nice. We bought scooters. We'd scoot. So it was really fun. It was a really fun time. We were traveling.

We did a European road trip. We went to Italy and Germany. It's just a really good time. So fast forward to John has his 75th birthday, September 18th. It was a good birthday. He hated celebrating his birthday, but it was a good one. And he was planning on going to Turkey from what I was told, going to Turkey to see a friend. And so, mind you, we had flown before.

So there was not an issue. We knew there was no issue with John's passport. right so whatever the U.S. wanted him for they hadn't they hadn't filed like a red notice with Interpol no so everything was good and so fast forward to October 4th John is leaving for for Turkey and he gets arrested at the airport but he is told that he is being detained because his passport was flagged as stolen okay and so they keep him, I guess, in the holding facility at the airport. That's where he is there. And then all of a sudden, this red notice thing comes up and now he's being held for tax-related charges.

And it took a little bit of time to get in contact with him after they, you know, took him to the prison, I think about a week. It took. And I don't know, I just, I just, there was something up, you know, when he left. He was, he wasn't acting himself. He was, he was on edge a little bit, you know, when he left. And I'm not sure if it was because he knew something was happening or what, but he just, there was just something going on. I remember I messaged him and I said, you know, just.

just let me know when you get, you know, to your destination safely. You know, so anyways, yeah, so he's arrested and he's now in jail. And the friends that we were with there in Spain hired an attorney for him. And, you know, this attorney was trying to work on getting him on house arrest, right? So he could just get it out of jail. Obviously, they're not going to do that because he's John McAfee, right? He's absolutely the definition of flight risk. So, but, you know, he did, he did his best to legally maneuver around that.

And John, once I did, once I was finally able to get in contact with him, he, you know, he sounded good. You know, he sounded in good spirits. He said that the people were kind to him, you know. they were surprised that he was in that prison because he was just in, I guess, what we would call general population, yeah, with all, like he was in housed in some sort of cushiony area of the prison.

He was with, you know, general population. So all of the criminals that were there, he was with them. He said he had one instance where someone tried to get in his face, but one of the other gentlemen stepped in between. So he had protection in there. I don't know if that was something that he arranged

or if it's just people, you know, looking after him because he was, you know, older man. And, you know, again, they were just surprised that he was in there, like, especially for what he was being charged with. They called him Papa America. That was his nickname. The guards, you know, he had good relations with guards. At least this is what he's telling me.

Yeah. The situation could have been extremely different. Well, I don't think they're going to put him into a position. They don't want to put him into a position where he's in arms way. I mean, they have different levels of, they have different levels of security. So they're probably not, didn't put him out in with the ax murderers. Where were you staying? I was still with the, with the friends that we had been staying with.

Okay. Yeah. So I didn't go and visit him because he didn't, he didn't want me to. You know, there was a concern that if I did, I would be followed from, you know, from the prison and then people know where you know where we were staying at and then also um you know he just said he didn't want to see me that way you know and he doesn't want me to see him that way so so i didn't go but i did talk to him again i as i mentioned earlier i talked to him every day uh three times a day early in the morning afternoon and then in in the evening eight minute calls eight minutes

just not nearly enough time but um i would give him you know, I would go through. He asked me to find, like, headlines of what's happening in the news, kind of keep him up to date or what was going on. And he would, you know, dictate his tweets to me. And just to, you know, so I could keep his voice out there, right? And just keep, again, just making it a little difficult for him to just be taken out, right? Because this is still the concern.

That's what his fear is. This is they get him back to the United States. he'll be what Epstein. Not Epstein, but I think taken to a CIA of Blackside and tortured. I was going to wait to ask these, but it's probably a good time to ask now. Just for if you have any information or stories behind some of these tweets. And some of these may have been tweeted by you or by him. But, you know, one is, I am content in here.

I have friends. The food is good. All is well. know that if I off myself, a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine. Was that something that you had to say for him? No, no, no. So all of the tweets that you see after October of 2020 were all me. Those were all the tweets.

But those were not tweets that I was making up. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying that he told me. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's what he meant.

He was doing that for him. Yes, I was tweeting for him. He was telling me what to tweet. Yeah. So, and that was, do you know how, how far before October 15th was? So he didn't, he didn't, it was 2021, 2021, June 23rd, 2021. Okay. So he was in jail for nine months, almost nine months.

And then some of his other tweets, now these are earlier, you know, he got the tattoo dollar sign whacked. And the tweet is getting my subtle messages. from the U.S. government saying, in effect, we're coming for you, McAfee, we're going to off yourself. I got this tattoo just in case if I off myself, I didn't. Right. You know, I was whack. Yeah, so this was his, this was him tweeting, you know, so everything before October,

that was him tweeting. Sometimes he had other people tweet for him as well, but, but that was one of his tweets and what was going on then. I don't, I don't know. I don't, not that I can recall. I don't recall feeling that there was a threat or anything. Okay, that's fine. And these are just, like, kind of the most popular ones.

This is, I don't have the date on this one, but I've collected files on corruption and governments for the first time. I'll be naming specifics. I'll begin with the corrupt CIA agent and two bohemian officials. Coming today, if I'm arrested or disappear, 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press. Is there any? Yeah.

Yeah. I definitely 100% believe that the information he said he had, he had for sure. And he was absolutely going to docks those people that you just mentioned in the tweet. But he got a phone call from someone who advised him that that would be not a good course of action. So he backed off from that. And that was before, I think that was around the time where, when I had mentioned earlier that he had said he gotten word, that they were going to just try to arrest him.

I think that tweet came around that same time. What was John's thoughts on Epstein? Like as far as how things ended for him? Because I see, like, obviously, I think it's very similar cases where it's a high-profile person who apparently has off themselves. And it seems that, or people believe that they have, incriminating evidence or things against people of higher power or you know what was his whole thoughts on that situation and other do you think there's similarities or especially you would think

you would think that they're incarcerated surrounded by cameras and guards you'd think this is an extremely safe place no not at all so john so john was very vocal about what he thought happen. And he spoke about the cameras, how they were malfunctioning or turned, you know, so that it didn't capture how the guards were asked to go home or they went home early, something happening. But the biggest thing that he spoke about was the fact that Epstein had a cellmate who was moved. I believe it was either the day before he, you know, oft himself allegedly or maybe hours before. and John also tweeted about the gentleman that they said was moved into the sale, which is someone by the name of Nicholas Tartaglione, I believe it's the name.

Anyways, interesting gentleman and his photograph. So John was, I don't think I heard anyone talk about this, but John tweeted about that. That was something that he tweeted out about as well, like, before he was arrested. So I don't know, again, if any of these things had to do with maybe the information that he might have collected or something like that, because I don't know how he was able to get all of that information about this gentleman being moved into his cell. And then also even the autopsy report that said his neck was broken in several places, Jeffrey Ebson's neck. Right, would you, well, I guess you could break your neck and if you're trying to, you know, harm yourself, but not in the way that he, right?

Like, it doesn't make sense that his neck would be broken, right? That's what, like, these independent people that have looked at, looked over, they're saying that the bones were broken in the wrong spot or weren't able to be broken. It would, you know, there was, well, there's all kinds of speculation. And then the cameras just like malfunctioned. I don't know. I would know that the guards were, fell asleep. Like I think one or two of the guards that said they fell asleep. Yeah.

Like you fell asleep at the correct time, at the perfect time. Right. And the, you know, and the cameras stopped working. Yeah. So he, I think he believed, well, I'm not sure if he believed he faked his death or whatever, but he definitely believed he was murdered. Okay. He did not believe that he killed himself, not at all, just obviously with the body of evidence, you know.

So that was kind of his thoughts on that. And I think that's why he tweeted or asked me to tweet what I did relating to his own situation, you know, being in jail. And then I just have one more tweet to read. And this is just kind of maybe to add context. This is from 2018, he tweeted the quote unquote, president. They're capable of accessing the E911 chips in your phones, giving them full access to your location, microphone, camera, and every function of your phone. This is not a rant. This is for me.

This is still one of the leading crypto or cybersecurity experts, wake up people. So what is he's kind of what? Throughout your time together, he's kind of whistleblowing about privacy and... Absolutely. Privacy was a major focus. for John, for obvious reasons, because, you know, we were in constant danger, you know, and the cell phones were obviously the easiest way for us to be tracked. John absolutely believe that they're spy devices, you know, that you're carrying with you

a spy device, for it's listening to you. They voluntarily got you to purchase something that allows them to track you and listen in on your conversations. And so I think that we can see this. I think even the normal regular person can see this, you know, that there's an insecurity in this world that should not be. And this was something that John was vocal about, you know, privacy and using the technology in a way that can, you know, bring back privacy. And that's what he was hoping, you know, crypto could do that as well, which is why he promoted privacy coins like more narrow. You know, that was a big one that he talked about because it was completely.

private. You know, no one would know how, how much you had or where it was going or who was giving it to you, you know, could be completely private, whereas all of the others is not so. It's sort of built in. Yeah, it's built in that way. The lack of privacy is built in. It's almost intentional, you know, that, and I think for, for John, the fact that he spoke about this so much is that he just saw that inherently, we just don't, we just don't look at the other side of things. Like we, we see the things that we want to create,

like the cell phone. It's a great thing that we created, right? But at the same time, though, we don't think about, okay, who can manipulate this technology for nefarious purposes? And we don't build, you know, as we're building these things,

we don't build in those protections from the ground up. We very easily could do that. You know, one of the things that John talked about a lot was having, a ghost phone is what he called it, a phone in which you had hard switches for the power, for the Wi-Fi, for the Bluetooth for your location.

So that way you can't be tracked if you wanted to. And instead of it being software, it would be a hard switch and you turn it off. And there's actually a company, I believe, in Germany, who's coming out with the phone that was similar to what John was talking about. I think a lot of the things that John talked about are still relevant today.

And that's what's super important to me, not just telling the story of how he died, because people need to know that as well, but also everything that he spoke about is so relevant today. Now that's happening. When you think about, I think I mentioned to Colby, the situation that happened in Iran where Israel was able to strike and take out the leadership, you know, over there, because they were able to get all of those people into a room. That took just a little bit of social engineering.

Obviously, I'm sure, you know, tracking phones and all of that, right? But it's kind of, for me, it's just, I just see all of these things and how they're related to the things that John would talk about, you know, and how important it is to have our privacy. How important it is to just be able to live a normal life, right? You need to have some privacy. Like, I don't know you. You're a nice man, allegedly. You seem that way anyways. You know, but I wouldn't come in here sharing my deepest, darkest secrets with you or giving you my, you know, my bank account information or my passwords, right?

I just wouldn't do that. And yet we carry these devices around with us and we were trusting it to keep our secrets. And it's just not built that way. Right. My fear of crypto is kind of like the, when the Canadian truck drivers didn't want to take the COVID vaccine. Okay. You see what they do, they said, oh, okay, we'll shut down all your your bank accounts. That to me was like, okay, well, that's, that's, that's, that's crypto.

And that's so if, I mean, it's not crypto, but I'm saying this is the same thing. If suddenly we're all using digitized money that is controlled by the government, then suddenly they say, oh, by the way, you can only spend so much money on, you know, on groceries. Or you can only do this, you know, they start having the ability to limit. what you know, what you can spend your money on. And then if you're not behaving correctly, well, then guess what? You can't, you can't, you, we're just going to shut all your crypto down. Something along those lines.

Depending on the type of crypto it is and who has control of it. I understand a lot of people think, you know, you're thinking, you know, freedom. Yeah. You know, a lot of people think freedom. I think, no, no, they're tracking all of your money. And that, that bothers me. and if there was a way to unregulate it, then,

you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Then I would be okay with it as long as you just can't shut it down. Right. So. Well, I think to your point about the Canadian truck drivers, they prove that they can shut it down.

Oh, yes, it's in Canada. Yeah. And that's not even crypto. That was just a regular bank account. Right. Right. And so,

and obviously it's Canada. So, you know, maybe that can't happen here in the States, but it will definitely happen. here in the States. We just haven't had anyone pull the trigger on it yet. As it relates to crypto, though, yes, definitely. With centralized exchanges, this can definitely happen for sure. And this was a thing that John spoke about a lot, having decentralized exchanges, so that there's not someone that the government can come to with a warrant or say,

hey, you know, shut this down because I said so, right? And if we're using decentralized exchanges, If we're using privacy coins, then they can't do that and makes it a lot more difficult. And so crypto can be, it is very invasive. You know, Bitcoin is very wide open. If you send Bitcoin to someone, they can forever look in your wallet and see how much Bitcoin you have. So it's very, there is no privacy as far as that. So there are ways to protect yourself as you transact. act, you know, with crypto. And so this is the idea behind the antivirus project that I've

become involved with. We are rolling out some of the privacy ideas that John was speaking about, having a VPN, having encrypted email service. Also, we have a product where you can purchase gift cards with our token. There's also a token connected to it. So you can purchase gift cards with our token. So this allows you to transact privately as well. Just adds another layer of privacy. We have a salonam mixer as well. So you can mix your ante and your salana.

This just rolled out. We just rolled that out last month. And so there are ways definitely that you can. What's the name of the, sorry, what's the name of the service? It's called antivirus. Antivirus. That's it. Yes, antivirus.

So it's like antivirus. Like, is that where you go? The website is antivirus.a.ai. And that's where you can go to find out. And it's spelled A.I.N.I.I. Virus. V.I.R.S. And so it's just a play on the antivirus, but it's antivirus. Because we also have an AI, John McAfee, AI, that's making podcasts.

It's really cool. Making podcast. Yeah. What are the podcasts about? Any variety of stuff? Yeah. Just a variety of subjects. It's our hope that one day we will be able to have guests.

On with the with the AI. Is it like an AI image of? Yes. Oh, is it? Yeah. What do they call those when they make them? And it's, is it like a clone or a copy or I don't know, a digital, digital copy of you? Yeah.

So it's really, I don't know, it's really cool. Yeah. I really like the idea of it. So I'm going to be the first guess once we get it there. I think the concern that the team has is that if they sort of remove the training, wheel's or the security or not security features, but what I would like to see happen is to just let the AI go free, right? And whatever it's going to say, it's going to say, right? Because that's kind of the attraction of John McAfee. Like, you never knew what he was going to say or what you were

going to get from him. And I think the AI should mimic that for sure. And I think once we get it there, I would be the first to be interviewed by the AI. Is this a bunch of guys in a garage or is it's like a big corporation that, well, no, it's not a corporation. It's not a start, is it a startup? Yeah, it's like, it's a grassroots team of people that just completely believe in John's message, you know? Nothing wrong with a bunch of guys in the garage, you know, like that's what I'm not knocking

it, I'm just saying, I'm wondering, is it like, is it like, you know, Microsoft came in and said, we're going to put up here, here's a team and we're going to run with this, or it's a bunch of guys that said, this is what we should do. Yeah, no, just a bunch of guys that said, this is what we should do. Yeah, no, just a bunch of, guys who want to honor, honor the legacy of John McAfee and who understand that what he believed in, what he preached, if you will, about is very much relevant today, very much relevant today. And we'll become more relevant as crypto is introduced more mainstream, you know, because

it is coming of CBDC. So there is, that's going to come, a crypto that is run and controlled by a government. and I think you're seeing the race to that right now between, you know. Did Trump sign that bill? Because it passed. You know what I'm talking? The big, beautiful bill? Yeah, but I believe it's within.

I mean, yeah, there's a bunch of stuff. Within it. The Genius Act, you're talking about it. Is that, was that, was that separate or was that just a portion of that bill? Or is that a separate bill? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either.

Pete would know. Yeah. that had to do with crypto and something that made it more stable, would stabilize crypto, would allow you to invest in crypto, including allow you to invest your retirement fund in crypto. There were certain things you couldn't do, and that this was stabilizing, and he was saying that Trump was definitely going to sign it. So I kind of assumed it was attached to the big, beautiful bill that had just passed.

But I could be wrong. I'm wrong all the time. But either way, it's definitely, you know, like let's face it like Trump loves crypto and there's three and a half more years right you know what I'm saying so it's going to be implemented in some way and then there are people that are saying hey they should place us on kind of like the gold standard and place us connected to crypto which terrifies me but then everybody else is saying no no no that you don't understand it will stabilize the dollar I have no idea no idea either but I but I do I think you're Is valid that yes, once we get a government issued crypto, definitely we'll have to be concerned about it coming down the pike that, yeah, okay, I don't like what you tweeted about. And so we're going to cut off your money right until you step in line, right? And that's definitely coming down the pike for sure. You know, one of the things that terrifies me is that, like, I keep thinking to myself, like, I don't really know what's going to happen with crypto.

I don't really know what's going to happen with AI. I don't really know what's going to happen with these robots, but the people that probably do know are buying up land on islands that are self-sufficient and building bunkers and shrugging it off when people ask them about it. They're like, oh, that's nothing. That's just like a storage unit. It doesn't mean anything. I don't know.

I feel like, you know, I feel like if Mark Zuckerberg is building a self-sustaining complex on an island that you can't really get to, I feel like maybe he knows. something. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe Elon Musk isn't really worried about humanity. He's just thinking, you know what? Listen, the world's going to go to shit. I'm going to build a place on Mars. Maybe that's what, you know, I like to think he's thinking, no, we need a second home for humanity. Or maybe it's, maybe it is Dr. Evil. Maybe he's a, Zuckerberg's got his island. Fuck it. I'm going for a planet. Right. I don't know. I don't know. There's definitely something. Something, something's afoot.

What's Bezos doing? Listen, if Bezos and Bill Gates have their own bunkers somewhere, which they probably do, I mean, you got to know. You got to know things. There's some bad, there's some shit coming down. For sure. But let's hope that everything's great in five, ten years and not. Or just make sure that you're prepared, right?

I think everybody should be invested in crypto. We pay my bills. I'm not prepared. I'm not buying a bunker. Well, you don't need a bunker. I need a pose an arrows. Government won't even give me, let me have a gun. I can't even have a gun.

Oh, yeah. You're a felon. I'm fucking harmless. Sorry. He kicked my door in. I'm going to use, what, harsh language? But supposedly, supposedly there's now an avenue where they're allowing you to get your gun rights back federally. Really?

Supposedly. But, I mean, I always think when I hear things like that, I'm excluded. I always think I'm excluded. Why? Well, because I arrestitution. You know, okay. And you could be making payments, but I'm never paying off $6 million. Right.

You know, all the planets would have to align. Right. You know, cats and dogs would have to start getting along. And this is not going to happen. And so I think to myself, you know, it's like being able to vote, oh, you're a felon. You can vote. No. No.

I have to be able to pay off my restitution. It's $6 million. I will never be able to vote. And there's just certain things. Oh, you're a felon. If you're a felon, you're allowed to get your gun rights back. No. I'm assuming they're going to connect it to because typically those types of things are once you've completed all of your requirements.

Okay. And then you say, oh, I'm off probation. Yeah, but don't you. Oh, something. Well, why don't you find out? Because they just announced it like two days ago, Pam Bondi. Yeah. I want to say Bundy.

Pan Bondi. Yeah. They just announced that she had what it was. And I saw a couple TikToks about it and I just didn't look into it. because my attention span is about the length of it, a short TikTok at that. So I'll ask somebody else to look at. I ask my wife, like, can you read into this? And she'll be like, oh, you're like.

So anyway, so. Yeah. So the whole system that's being devised or created that you're working on is set up in order to try and keep you anonymous. Yes. To allow you to not be tracked. tracked. Yes.

Yeah. At least because honestly, no one, like if you're, if I'm sending you crypto, you shouldn't then be able to have free access into my wallet to see how much I have, where it's going,

who's sending me. Like, that's just a ridiculous notion. And so these privacy products that we are bringing to market are going to help the individual bring, um, some cloak and dagger, if you will,

to their, to their transacting as it relates to crypto. Yeah. And so that's what that's what the hope is. Which is funny that the government's constantly trying to enact these laws and rules that allow them to just track everything. You open a corporation now. Oh, I think that it's actually that that I think Trump got rid of this rule.

But under Biden, they passed something where they said, hey, if you have any ownership in a corporation, you have to notify us. Well, that's the whole purpose of me. opening a corporation because it's an independent entity from me. Like if that's the case, I might as well buy these properties or do whatever in my name. The point is to buy something that you don't, that you're not connected to to create a business or an entity that you can sell that can live on its own. You can, for whatever reason, it's like all of these things is like, well, why do you need

to know that? Like if the corporation isn't paying his taxes, then you go after the corporation. Right, not the individual. Right. Why do you need to know? To me, it's like, no, no, we need to be able to go after you. It's, we need to hire more IRS agents. For what?

Oh, and we need to give them guns. Why? What's going on? It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. You know, we have to literally lay ourselves bare before our government. Right. But when we ask for the same.

Which has been proven over and over again to not be trustworthy. Right. Exactly. So, I mean, you can't trust them. to, you know, to even to be, to be transparent, even though they preach transparency every time, you know, every time a new president or somebody comes in and starts pulling back the layers, you know, even Trump, which I would have thought, hey, this is most likely your last term, regardless of your argument.

But most likely it's your last term, like he's just going to do insane, like just do stuff. that people wouldn't do because they're afraid it's but even even certain things he's holding back on you know holding back here it's like initially it was you know just executive order executive order like we're just going to tear the house down we're burning the whole place down and then suddenly it's like well wait a minute now maybe that's too much maybe well why why are you holding back on this or holding back on that or who you know who stepped forward and said hey man come on that's going to destroy my, you know, my business if you pass that law or like, I don't know. It war, it just worries me. It's just everybody that gets in there, it kind of worries me. And I, I mean,

you know, and I'm not saying anything negative against, you know, Trump or the Republicans, you know, or the Democrats. It's just it always seems like they're, they're not always, just bothers me, these people get into power and then that they don't have the best. always have the best interest of the U.S. of the people that they're representing. Right, right. It puts you in power. I voted you in power to do these things.

And none of those things are happening. Right. And then we also have. Well, but not enough to make a difference. Right. Well, I don't know. I mean, I guess it depends on if you're directly related.

I just think here's what bothers me. I don't understand. understand why you need so much control over my life and why you have to tell me what to do and what not to do and what I can know what I can't know. For national security, I understand that. Right. Like these people are like, oh, we shouldn't have a government. We shouldn't do.

Okay, well, don't be foolish, bro. Like, if we eliminated soldiers and the police, it would be straight anarchy. If you, you know, got rid of the military. You know, oh, we should all, you know, open borders and stop it. They would, they will come in here and just take everything you have. You know, like some people are just foolish. And in some instances, you have to elect officials that know the big picture. Yeah.

And we'll make decisions that are in your best interest that you can't vote on individually. Does that make sense? Because they have the full picture that you can't have. Right. So you wouldn't let a child. make their own decisions, right? Right. So, you know, you and I will never know the full picture on some things.

But those decisions are few and far in between. Right. You know, like that's national security type stuff. That has nothing to do with you looking in my bank account. No, nothing at all. Or knowing, you know, where I'm spending my money or any of those things or where I'm investing or I don't like it. No.

No, I'm not a fan of big government. the less the better. I haven't even doing anything wrong. Right. I just don't think you need to, it's any of your business. It's not. It's really not. I'm watching it.

Even though I keep telling myself, no, there's no camera in the TV, you know. But then I think, or is there? You know, just like how many times have you never talked about turkeys? You never talk about turkeys. I never talk about turkeys. I never bring up turkeys. And then one day, Jeff, jenny. Yes, says, oh my gosh, I saw this, so funny video about a turkey, or I saw these three turkeys.

Did you know I'm with Ebor City and we were eating? And there were turkeys like walking on these chickens walking out this crazy. And I'm like, oh, that is crazy. And fucking two hours later, I open up Instagram. And I'm getting videos of turkeys to music with sunglasses on. And they're doing this to the music. And I'm like, that's weird. Well, yeah, what about the time we were here and you were talking?

And Matt said, yeah, I need to film two ads today. Just said it verbally. And then you went to text somebody. And he's like, yeah, hold on. I need. And then it auto-populated your text. It started autopopulating. I need to film two ads today.

Right. Yeah. When is that normal? When is that a natural thing that people say in general, in general on tax? Never. It happens all the time. And it's creepy. And they're like, oh, no, it's only for the purpose of.

That information doesn't go any further than, come on, cut it out. That's not true. Right. Of course it's not true. But it just lets you know how much it's spying on you, right? And then when you think about the things that you maybe are saying that you don't want anyone to know. Right. You know, maybe you're with your wife and it's, you know, husband and wife time.

Okay. You know, maybe that's not, you know, ideal if your phone is picking all that up, right? I mean, it's just when you think about the implications of it, it is scary. Yeah, I was talking to a guy yesterday. His name is Mark Savant, and he specializes in AI and the implementation of AI and marketing with people, companies with AI and all kinds. He has all kinds of stuff with AI. We've had them on here before. Yeah.

Okay. And we were talking, and I was telling. him about like basically talking about using AI like Google came out. There's several. There's really only three or four major companies that have come out that are allowing you to subscribe where you use prompts. Okay. To, you know, that's, you know, hey, I want, you know, I want a guy who's six foot two

who's in prison walking down a hallway. You know, you give him the prompt and it generates this little and typically you get about six to eight seconds. is what it will generate. It doesn't, it won't do a whole thing. What's so funny is you only need that for the shorts. You only need that. Yeah.

So if you, it'll cut up multiple different things that are happening. And then when they piece it together, you're like, oh my gosh, it's a whole movie. Well, there are only six second scenes, six or eight seconds. People like, oh, it did the whole, it'll do a whole three minutes or seven minutes. No, no. Look at it again. It's only a little tiny. But so I was talking to him about doing that because Colby and I have this kind of this idea for a

second channel. we do kind of premier stuff. And I was talking to him about B-roll and this and this and how it works. And he was talking about how fast it's happening and how fast it's being implemented. And as we were talking, you know, I was talking about how jobs are being replaced. You know, tons of jobs are being replaced. And everybody seems to think, you know, like, oh, yeah, they're using AI for this and AI for that. And the companies are excited.

and I don't know maybe people are excited people kind of think it's cool about the robots but I just think in five years from now I was watching something the other day where they were talking about like the jobs that are safe

are jobs like in the trades and the only reason those jobs are safe is because a robot's right now they're not their hands they're not ambidextriots enough And I think that's the right word.

I can be wrong. But you can see them, you know, pick up the can and do that, right? But they're not drywall in your house. Right, right. They're not going to do your, they can't walk in and do plumbing. Right. They can't, you know, those types of things, they're not going to be doing for a while. Yeah.

But they are at some point. And so five years from now, when they're doing that, and there are robots everywhere. And he'll a lot of talks about it. It always sounds ridiculous when he's like, oh, I believe there will be, you know, 400, million robots. Get the fuck out of it. What are you talking about? Within the next five years, you're like, get, that's not going to happen.

But it's possible. Well, you know, something along that, maybe not that extent, but. Yeah. And I don't know what the number was, he said, but, but the point is, is that that's going to be devastating. And then I have people say, oh, well, it won't take a job like yours, but yeah, but people won't have money. Right. My job won't matter at all.

Yeah. It'll wipe it out. And then you think the government. government's not going to be scared because they're going to be desperate for money. Of course. You know? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the future is so, I watch the thing where they were saying, like, this is like the industrial revolution only,

this is nothing. This has got, the industrial revolution is like a hiccup. This is like everybody immediately doesn't have a job. Like, what do you do? It's going to be wild. It'll be, it could be, you know, horrific. And what do you do for money? Where is, what is money?

become when nobody has a job and nobody's getting paid and people are on the streets or do they stop you being on the streets and then it's okay well oh no no you can't evict anybody okay well what happens how am I supposed to pay my mortgage when I can't you know it's no matter what somebody is losing huge and the government's desperate for for money to try and keep things afloat how do they do that it's a it's a terrifying time taxes you have a taxes taxes how do you get taxes from when nobody has a job. Yeah. How do I tax you?

You know, you say, oh, well, you know, taxes. Well, how do I collect taxes when the tax base shrinks to almost nothing? Yeah. I mean, you don't, you think, you know, to talk about the haves and the have-nots. It's wild. Yeah. It's wild to think about it where, where things are headed. And what's funny is that these people are building these bunkers.

Yeah. And these people with the people with money are like, oh, it's going to be great. It's going to revel, like, they don't seem very, typically business owners. have a long-term view of the economy and it doesn't seem like they're thinking that way at all now. Like the moment you remove the middle class and replace them with robots

that are under the control of the elites, suddenly you have a, those middle class become poor. And now you've got 3% of society that is owning 95% of the wealth and these people are hungry and they'll just come they'll come and execute the elites. I mean, I guess maybe at that point

you hope you're on your own planet or maybe you're on that island with your own private security. Like I don't know what you're thinking because at some point those people will say, hey, these guys have everything and we have nothing.

And that's when you end up having some kind of a communist revolution. Yeah, and maybe that's what the bunkers are for. Maybe, but I don't think it ends well. Either way, I don't think it ends well for a bunker or not. I think eventually people get in there. Yeah. With enough time and pressure, I'm going to get through that door. I'm going to have a little chit-chat with old Mark. A little talk with a bad idea. Right.

You know, so. Yeah, it's definitely. But if they got your crypto, if they got your stuff, then at least their crypto safe. Well, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what. I mean, I do believe that the dollar is going to, it's going to, I just believe the dollar's going to crash, you know, and I think crypto will become the standard. And how that plays out, I don't, I don't know. And it will be scary times for sure and uncertain times for sure. But I do definitely think that's the next move, right? Because we're already pretty much a cashless society, right? You know, I think I've paid cash a few

times and people look at me like I'm like I'm handing them the Ebola virus you know they're like what is this foreign thing you know it's weird have you ever gone in we went to new Orleans and like there was an area where you could go sit they before as we were walking in to go sit they said you know this is cash only I was thinking to myself like they have to they have to remind you because nobody has cash right you know they're afraid you're going to order and everything and then be like oh I have my phone or I have a credit yeah but I remember thinking to myself like They have to make sure you know because nobody's got cash. No.

I almost never have cash. I only have cash when I go on vacation. Yeah. Because my fear is something's going to happen and what I need to have a couple hundred bucks. So I'm also working on, I just started this company. It's called Janice McAfee, SEO. So it's just SEO work, which is search engine optimization. And it's something I got into when I was in Spain waiting for John's body to be released.

and I like it because I feel like it's helping me to sort of take back the narrative of mine and John's story, right? Like there's a certain narrative that's that has been told as it relates to John's story. And I feel like this SEO work is going to help me to recapture my story, you know, and tell it in the way that it should be told. And so also just doing consulting work as relates to SEO work. So that's kind of super exciting. So can we jump back to when you found out when you got the phone call or were notified that John had passed away? How does that happen? So, okay, let me just.

I would just give before I get there. Let me just give you a little idea of what was happening. So John had, we hired, his friends hired an attorney, Spanish attorney for him. And then we had to get two American attorneys because there were two cases now being brought against him, the one that was tax-related. And then there was another one that the SEC brought. And I believe that the SEC just brought that as a way to make sure that if this tax thing doesn't go the way we wanted to go, he has this other thing.

so they won't consider releasing him, right, just to make sure that they've got him. So we had an attorney representing, you know, two separate attorneys representing either case. And then we hired an additional Spanish attorney who was specialized in extraditions and who had actually, you know, did, had some cases where the U.S. were involved. So he was, he had a more focused expertise in that. And then we had another attorney in the U.K. Because John had dual citizenship. So we were trying to see what we, right, what we could do as it relates to that.

So leading up to the day, John had a court date where they were going to make their ruling on the extradition. And so the plan that, well, I won't necessarily say the plan, but we all knew that the extradition was going to be granted, right? That's just what was going to happen. Yeah. And then obviously the next steps would be to fight the extradition, right? To appeal and appeal and appeal and so forth. So when it came for him to go to court, none of us believe that he would be extradited that day or the next day or week or month or year, right? It would take time for that to happen, right?

So there was no loss of hope or just suddenly, you know, oh, my God, they're going to extradite me. You know, like, John knew. John knew that there was a plan in place, right, of what the next steps were going to be and how the attorneys were going to move forward with that. So I spoke to him early in the morning that day and before he went to court, so he called me earlier than normal because he wanted to talk to me before he went to court. And he sounded like his self, but he sounded unsure, I guess, would be a good way to describe it. you know, just kind of tense, you know, because you don't know what's going to happen, you know, you know. And then he called me again after, after he went to court. And, you know, he was disappointed with the decision. But again, it was not a surprise to any of us, to him at all. And he asked,

you know, when was his attorney going to come and see him? So I explained to him, you know, I spoke with the attorney. He's going to come and see you. He was going to come and see him later that week. and, you know, that the plan is to appeal and all of the things. So we talked about that. And then he said that, he said, I love you. And I'll call you later. So, and later would have been, like, what, about 5, 5 or 6 p.m. And so I'm going through my day.

I don't know what it was doing, listening to music or maybe collecting headlines, collecting headlines because I still have them, actually. because I would write it, write out the headline just, anyway, so I still have those. And I was on Twitter and I got a notification of a DM and it was all capitals that said, OMG, tell me this isn't true. And so I'm not sure why, but I just immediately thought of John and I immediately went to Google and I Googled his name.

and that's how I found out that he had died. And so it was up within? It was up immediately. Okay. So it wasn't even like a day. No. Which is strange because not even his attorney got a phone call. Right.

Right. They had my phone number. John listed me as his wife in the paperwork. We had divorced in America, so we were divorced at the time on paper. anyways. But still, he listed me as his wife on his prison intake paperwork. So they had my phone number. The same phone number John was calling.

They didn't call me either. But they called it the newspaper. But it went straight to the news, straight to the news. So that's how I found it. When did the authorities or the, when did they contact you to say? They didn't. Nobody ever called to say, hey. No.

is what's going on no the attorney um I'm not even sure if the attorney got a phone call from them

I've obviously I think once the news broke you probably reached out to them yeah but I never got a phone call from from anyone and so um you know I kind of toggled between you know

disbelief and like devastation I still do um You know, just because, you know, just playing devil's advocate here a little bit, you know, obviously he had been in there for nine months and, you know, it could have been a lot worse than what he told me. You know, I have no idea what he actually went through in there. It could have been terrible, you know.

He had lost a lot of weight, but honestly, he was a little fat. Right. He's, you know, very slender anyways, naturally, normally, you know, but he had gained some weight, you know, stress, whatever life. And so I think that was just the weight that he lost, you know. Yeah, but you don't have a refrigerator with food. Right, so you're going to lose weight, yeah. It's easy to lose weight, just natural. If you just eat what they're, you eat what they're giving you, which is probably about 2,000 calorie a day diet, you're going to lose weight.

Yeah. The problem is that most people, you know, is that most people. in the U.S., we overeat every meal and we snack. Yes. And we don't exercise. Right. But that's all there is to do in there is kind of walk around this, your limit, you're going to lose weight naturally.

It doesn't mean it's, doesn't necessarily mean it's stress. No. Yeah. And it doesn't sound like you said, it doesn't sound like had the, because this is what I had thought happened, was that I thought that they had, that they had, that they, that they, The court had said he's going to be extradited, and then he was found. No. So they, it was just the, they were just granting the extradition.

Had they even granted it? They had, that was the decision that they had came. Okay, so they did come to it. Come to that decision. Yeah. But even then, it's not, they're not coming to, it's not like guys are storing the cells. Yeah, no. It's now there's a whole process to get to that point.

And then it's where he's getting extradited to. Is it the United States? can he go back to the U.K.? The United States. They were sitting back to the U.S., yeah. To answer for the charges. Okay. Either way, I don't see.

Well, I guess that was it. His fear wasn't going to prison in the United States. His fear was them getting him into a position where they had control over him, having an accident, something along those lines. Torturing him. That's what he was worried about. That was a great concern.

concern for him. I'm not sure what happened with him in Belize, but he said it was never going to happen to him again. So that was the concern, yes, that they would get him and torture him for whatever to try to get the information that he had. It must have been pretty damning information, you know, for that level of hunting. That's the best way I can describe it. It was a constant hunt from the time that I met him, you know, that they were just after him always. And so it must have been some pretty, like I said, some pretty damning information. So, yeah, it was a rough day anyways. It was a rough couple of days.

And so I think after, I'm sorry, I'm getting back to the day when he found the news. So I think it was later at the end of the week, I was able to go to the prison and get his belongings. And the head of the guards, he was in there. There was a woman in there. I don't remember her position. But the gentleman said that, you know, John was a really nice man. He really liked him.

He never caused any trouble. He was always smiling. and, you know, trying to, like telling jokes and things. One of the jokes was, like, during COVID, during COVID, John took my underwear. He would wear my underwear, thong underwear, as a mask. That was his. So he would go, it was so funny.

He'd go, we'd be at a restaurant, he'd pull it out of his pocket, and he'd do like this and shake it out just to make sure everyone saw that it was underwear, and then he'd put it on his face. So he did that in the prison. Someone, one of the prisoners, there's a girlfriend or whatever significant other sent underwear in the mail. And so that's what he did in there.

And they got a big laugh out of it. But anyways, yeah, so this is what this gentleman told me. But something else he told me, which was so random, because it didn't really fit into the conversation, was that John's feet were on the floor when they found him. His feet were on the floor. And I don't know why that was important. for him to share that with me.

But he shared that with me. Obviously, in Spanish, he didn't speak English, but he wanted to make sure that I knew that. Which is the same thing that they said about Epstein, when they found him, his feet were on the floor. I don't know. That's what that made me think of. I'm not sure why, again,

why he went out of his way to share that detail with me. But they were all very shocked. You know, he said he was very shocked. He said that he had seen him, I believe he said he saw. that day he himself personally or he had been told that someone had seen him and he just he there was nothing different about who they knew john to be after he came from court you know he seemed to be in the same spirits that he had always been in you know um so so basically just saying that there

was no sign of you know nobody saw it coming yeah um and uh i think after that I think the next day or something, I went to what I guess you would call their morgue and had to, you know, identify John. And they took me to a room. He was behind a glass. And so I didn't get to touch him or anything. But I just, and I just was able to see his head. I've seen people say, you know, was there a body? No one saw the body. So he's. He's probably still alive, but I saw his body. You know, I could only see him from, you know, the neck down. Well, not the neck down. You know, they had him covered. They had the sheet.

And they said because they were in the middle of doing the autopsy. So, I don't know. I couldn't see the tattoos just to verify it was him. You know, all the things that people talk about. Yeah. Because those were the things that I was looking for wanting to see. But I didn't see unless any of those things. I studied his face.

I know that. face. And that was it. I just got to, what, like, maybe five minutes, 10 minutes, so let me stay there. And so it looked like him, you know. It's definitely him. All the markings that I remember from his face were there. So anyways, so after that, you know, I got the report. It took a while to get the report from the prison. The investigative report. So in the meantime, I'm trying to ask the eternity, you know, when will they release its body?

You know, because I was ready to leave Spain. I didn't want to stay there. There was no reason for me to stay there. I just needed his body so I could go. But because of the investigation, they weren't releasing the body. So they didn't close the investigation until I think it was eight months.

later and they didn't release the autopsy report. What they gave as the autopsy was like a summary, right? Right. And then they gave a tax report showing, you know, saying that what drugs he had in the system. So I think like pain medicine or something. Nothing alarming, nothing out of the ordinary, I don't think, as far as I remember. But there was nothing, usually, you know, an autopsy report.

is very detailed, right? You've got pictures, you've got all the things and all the things. But there was just four pages, and it was, again, just like a summary. So when I got that information, the attorney said that if I don't, if I allow them to close this investigation without asking them for this information, then I cannot come back and ask for it. So if I'm going to, if I'm going to, you know, ask them to give it to me, then I have to put the appeal in now. So that's what we did. And because of that, they kept his body. And I did not get his body until December of 2023.

So I had to stay there in Spain that entire time because I wasn't going to leave without him. I just wasn't going to leave without him, you know. And so that was a really, really, really hard decision. But I needed the information. You know, I can't, I don't know, I just couldn't walk away. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I just didn't understand why they wouldn't release his body

because there was nothing that they needed his body for. And so I was trying to also get like an independent autopsy, but that was going to cost me like 20K. And by then, you know, what money I had was getting really low. And I just didn't have the 20K. you know, to have someone flown from Madrid to do the autopsy. Then I also found out that apparently during the first six months of them having his body, they did not store it properly.

They just, I guess, kept it refrigerated. And so there would have been deterioration in the body. Right. You weren't going to get much. Right. And so the decision was just made. to just cremate him because that's what he wanted anyways. Right.

When we spoke about that, he said he wanted to be cremated. So that's what I had to do. But they still, you know, I was still in the end trying to fight to be able to see him. I don't even know what I was asking for because I'm sure it would have been horrible to see. But I just needed to see him all the way. You know, unobstructed, you know, but they wouldn't let me do that. And so they, you know, they take the casket and just put it in there and the thing. So they let me do that.

They took me down to the incineration room and had the anyways. So, yeah. So they let me do that. And so that was it. That was it. And I brought his ashes back with me. Oh, I'm sorry. Brought his ashes back with me.

I haven't done anything with him yet because I don't, not ready to say goodbye. you know. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching the video. If you want to get in touch with Janice, or you would like to check out the antivirus website. We're going to leave it in the description.

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