Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Kevin Gates Impersonator on NBA YoungBoy, Arrests & Going Viral

Starting point is 00:00:00 This Kevin Gates impersonation swept the internet, bro. NBA Young Boy was incarcerated at the time. I need to find who impersonates NBA Young Boy. I'm seeing money I've never seen before. Man, I'm on Facebook. Young Boy impersonator got killed. I can't even explain like the pain and the guilt, brother, that I felt. Man, there's something that's kind of hard for me to talk about.

Starting point is 00:00:31 like, and you don't know until you get ready to talk about it, you know, because like, this is something that I just thought it would be easy, but like as soon as I start saying, and like, all them emotions, like, kind of hit me at once. So, like, yeah, but we were standing negative, and my mama met this dude, I don't call his name or her, but yeah, my mama met this dude and they're dating, they doing whatever they're doing. So we stayed in a place called South Town in Nagash. And I used to always hear about this dude named Steve and his brother,

Starting point is 00:01:11 like his brother was paralyzed or something, like his arm was stuck a certain type of way. You know, so they is who we call the cool pop lady. You know, the person that said popsicles. People say, you know, but in Naglish they say cool pops. But most people say popsicles. But she, they was the cool poplop. So, you know, you take your dime, your quarter, now, no, you know, get you a cool pop, whatever.

Starting point is 00:01:35 So for the first time, the dude was outside, the dude that was paralyzed, you know what I'm saying? So I seen him and it was like, oh, dang, that's Steve Brother right there. That's the dude they be talking about. I ran home and like, Mama, guess who I seen? And her and the dude that she's talking to, like who? I'm like, Steve, brother. So he was like.

Starting point is 00:02:00 Like, why this, you know, at the time, I'm like five or six. He's like, why this baby telling you he's seeing his dude? Like, what you and Steve's brother got going on? So my mama, like, lost, like, you know what I'm saying? She's confused. And me at the time, not knowing I'm causing confusion or doing anything wrong, he got jealous that night is the first time I seen my mama get abused. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:02:32 Like I seen them push my mama down in the front yard. And the reason why I was saying like it's tough to talk about because my mama is a devout Christian. Out of all my years, bro, I never heard my mama curse one time. I never heard her say a nasty word. She never missed church. I never heard her even listen to a secular song. That's how serious she was about like her salvation.

Starting point is 00:02:59 You feel what I'm saying? So that's a lot of why I am the way that I am. You know what I'm saying? So I seem like trying to get up and he was just pushing him, you know. And that right there like traumatized me. You know what I'm saying? It traumatized me. So from that day, them never even having a fight or argument, it just went left.

Starting point is 00:03:21 Like it went left. Now, like, this is a coming thing. I'm seeing it every day, like every night. And he was drinking, you know. He was like a dude that kept a beer in his hand. At that time, it was the beer in the brown, you know, the brown-lit plastic bag. You know what I'm saying? He kept one.

Starting point is 00:03:40 So I'm seeing it every day. They fighting every day. Me not knowing, like, I spearheaded this. Like, I'm the reason behind this whole lit thing. So, man, I'm talking about, bro, this guy's so bad until, like, my sister was praying. My sister was pregnant and she tried to take up for my mama and he like ended up like kicking or pushing or doing something to my sister and my sister picked up a knife and you know I'm I'm small.

Starting point is 00:04:14 I'm probably like six or seven. So I'm trying my best to do whatever I could do. He swung me on the flow. You know what I'm saying? Like now I'm looking at my elbows and I'm like, dang, I'm injured. So we all in there like trying to like fight this dude and these fights. getting worse and worse. And my mama is not really having a...

Starting point is 00:04:37 She's so sweet and like non-confrontational. You know what I'm saying? Like even after all that, she was still, um... She was still, like, taken back. And, like, every time I've seen him, like, you know, I'm shook. Like, I'm knowing, like, oh, man, he over there. They're going to fight tonight. Me, like I said, me not knowing this all came from what I said.

Starting point is 00:05:00 that day. He never trusted her after that. Like, he just went. You feel what I'm saying? So why? Was there an issue with your mother and this guy's brother? It was nothing. Nothing. Yeah, it was nothing. It was just all in his head. Because they all, like when the dude had the accident, I heard my uncles was like, yeah, man, Steve brother, he paralyzed. He, you know, blah, blah, blah. So I never got a chance to see him. Like, I'm like, dang, I want to see Steve brother, because that's, all they're talking about. So when I went and he was outside, like, he didn't want served me that day.

Starting point is 00:05:35 Like, he gave me my cool pop that day. You know what I'm saying? So I put the money in his hand. Like, I'm a kid. I'm like, oh, now I'm in with my uncles. I seen Steve Brother too. So I immediately ran home. Like, Mama, guess who I seen?

Starting point is 00:05:47 Right. Steve, brother. But I'm saying your mother's boyfriend. So it was just in his head. He was just in his head. He was just tripping in it. And it just kept going and going and going and just getting worse and worse. And now he just don't.

Starting point is 00:06:00 trust in she like everybody. You feel what I'm saying? And my, like my pops at this point, my mom and my pops don't got no relationship because my pops is talking to somebody that we related to. You feel what I'm saying? So my mom are pregnant. Why this happened? You know, like when you're pregnant, you're going through different emotions or whatever,

Starting point is 00:06:24 whatever. So she's pregnant with me and she ended up like, like, I guess, like dumping my pops or like not talking to him or whatever. And he'd get this new lady that's related to us, but he don't know. But by the time he found out, you know, it's too late. They already did their thing. And like, you know, that's a coming thing in the South.

Starting point is 00:06:44 You feel what I'm saying? You might be talking to somebody two, three years and figure out like, oh, Uncle's Sets. Yeah, that's my Uncle too. For real? Like, it didn't happen to me, no cap. I can't even get in it. I can't go into it like that.

Starting point is 00:06:56 But it happened to me, like more than once. Like more than once. I'll tell you real quick. This is going to be horrible. I went to a family reunion in Norway. And so, I mean, there's 150 people there. Right. And there's a chick that is across from me on the table, right?

Starting point is 00:07:15 And we keep smiling and gritty. This is when I'm like 30 years old, right? And we're grinning each other and smiling. And but I know we're all related. It's a family reunion. She's smiling and flirting. Her mother even leaning. over to her and says, stop flirting with your American cousin.

Starting point is 00:07:34 So at some point, we start talking. It was days. Like, this is something went on for days. So we go and she's like, how are we, are we related? And I went, I said, I'm not sure. She goes, let's find out. We go and we look, they have this huge graph on the wall. So we go, she's like, okay, your father and your mother, so your grandfather was so

Starting point is 00:07:57 your grandfather was so-and-so and he was the cousin of my so-and-so. She said, that makes you my, just that makes you my, that makes you my third cousin. And I looked at her and I said, listen, I'm from fucking the South. I said, that all make you shit. Come on, man, third cousin. I said, we marry our first cousins. I said, third cousin. Third cousin.

Starting point is 00:08:20 We're not minded at all. Come on, man. Don't count. Look, yes. She looked that good. Right, right. Yeah, bro. Look, it happened, bro.

Starting point is 00:08:30 And, like, I ain't just saying that because, you know, like, some people popularized that, you know. I'm serious, bro. Like, that's a normal thing. It happened to me more than once. You know what I'm saying? So, Pop's talking to this lady that's related to us. You know what I'm saying? So my mama thought, like, you know, I dumped him.

Starting point is 00:08:51 He over there in misery. You know, he worrying about what's going on with me and his child. But my dad over there going with his move, you know what I'm saying? Like he ain't really tripping how she wanted him to be tripping. You know what I'm saying? So she's thinking like, you know, she's going to go knock on the door. I'm like, hey, you learned your lesson. Stop playing with me.

Starting point is 00:09:08 But she's going to knock on the door. Your cousin over here, you feel what I'm saying? So now she, man, she's mad. Like, she got this real hate for my pops, bro. Like my mama, man, bro, I grew up hearing the worst lives and stories and it's crazy. My mama, DeVal Christian, but this is her, like, this is her kryptonite right here. This is her downfall.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Like, this is her sin. Bro, she told me some of the worst, and not that I'm older, I realize none of this had no validity to it, bro. She's just freestyling. Like, she's just freestyling just telling me the worst stuff. Like, I saw seeing your daddy three men before. You didn't know that, did you? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:55 Thank you all. You know, like she's just, every day. You feel what I'm saying? She's just coming with, because the older I'm getting, I'm getting curious. You feel what I'm saying? This is what I didn't know, bro. This is the kicker right here. Me and my mama used to do yard work together.

Starting point is 00:10:09 Me as a little boy, we stayed in Negative on July Street. And that's a popular place in Negative. That's why I go down there. But we stayed in Neggous on July Street, and the leaves used to fall, so we used to clean the leaves up. And, oh, I got to do this sidebar right quick. Hey, I don't know your name, bro. But when we was little, we got into it, and you picked up some dirt.

Starting point is 00:10:37 And you was going to hit me with some dirt. And I had a tennis record behind my back. And I hit him in the face with the tennis record. And I just seen blood air while. You know what I'm saying? Like, I hit him in the nose and, like, blood was everywhere. And he ran home, and his mom and them came knocked on. My mom and them don't like, yo, baby.

Starting point is 00:10:54 hitting my baby with a tennis record. You know, I'm in the house hiding. You know what I'm saying? But I always wondered about that dude, bro. Like, if you somewhere, you watch this, bro, I apologize, bro. Like, for real. I don't even know why I did that. Because I kicked it off.

Starting point is 00:11:09 Like, I started it. He was chilling. You know what I'm saying? I was picking with him, bro. Like, bro, I really apologize for that, bro. He, I hit him in his nose, bro, with the tennis record. Blu was there well. And this happened on July Street.

Starting point is 00:11:22 But, uh, me, my mom was doing it. and you are at work. Ricking up the leaves. Yeah, we're wrecking up the leaves. I always see this dude come. Like this dude used to come on this bicycle. And my mama used to just go crazy. She'd get the pitchfork or something and just get away from you.

Starting point is 00:11:38 Get out of this. Don't come over here. I'm going to stab you with this pitchfork. You know, I didn't know until I got like 12 or 13 that that dude on that bike was my pops. I didn't know that. Okay. You know, I just knew it was a.

Starting point is 00:11:55 This light-skinned dude that ride this bike that my mama don't like. Like, whoever that man is, I don't know what he did to my mama, but my mama don't like him. Now, you know what kind of, like, hatred you got to have for somebody to have all them encounters and not once tell me, like, that dude is your dad. Right. You feel what I'm saying? I really didn't, like, having a dad wasn't even, like, a real thing. Like, that was something like I had to, like, find out about.

Starting point is 00:12:24 You know, I started discovering. Like when I started getting friends, like, you're dead, that's your daddy. Oh, like, damn, I don't know what I ain't got one. Like, you know what I'm saying? Same thing, quick sideboard, same thing with middle names. I did not know you were supposed to have a middle name. My home boy, his name Antonio Shannon, right? We at the, we at the award ceremony and we both got unarole.

Starting point is 00:12:52 So he got his certificate, you know, they called him up. He got a certificate. And his certificate had Antonio Lewis Shannon. And I was like, bro, who is Lewis? He was like, that's my middle name. And I'm looking at mine. I'm like, man, I'm like, man, they left my middle name off. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:13:09 So I get home, I'm like, mama, what's my middle name? You ain't got name? You ain't got no middle name. I'm like, huh? I'm like, everybody got middle. People had it on their certificate? Why I don't got no middle name? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:13:21 But I was in pain. I forgot. I'm like, what? You forgot. Boy, I was hurting. You know how big your head was? You was a 10-pound baby. I was, woo, boom, boom.

Starting point is 00:13:32 I wasn't thinking about that. And I'm like, bro, like, I real did have a moment after they're like, man, how you going to forget? You can't really love me. You forgot to give me a name. I'm out here. Name just Jermaine Williams. You feel what I'm saying? And now, like, as a grown man, bro, when I'm giving my name to people, they be like,

Starting point is 00:13:53 No, your full name, like Jermaine Williams. Listen, sir, if you're not proud of your middle name, it's something that you don't like, you still have to share it with us for these purposes. And I'm like, no, my name is like Jermaine Williams. You feel what I'm saying? I always run into that, bro. But yeah, but I didn't, you know, having a dad was something I found out about like that. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:14:15 Shout out to my granny. Bessie Carter. But she, her and my daddy had a relationship. Her and my daddy was cool. You feel what I'm saying? My daddy and my grandma was cool. They got along. Him and my mama just didn't get along.

Starting point is 00:14:29 You know, and that made her hate my daddy even more. Because my granny will always be like, yeah, she moved over there. She stay over here. You know what I'm saying? Or she doing this. He can always pull up on my granny and get the information. You feel what I'm saying? So when I was like 13, me and my granny was at this store in Nagas car, McFarland.

Starting point is 00:14:48 You know what I'm saying? Go down to McFarland. But I've seen it. and walking the stove, I didn't recognize that he was the dude from the bike because now he had a Jericho, long, you know, had the bill with the paper. You know what I'm saying? He walking in the store. My grandson was like, man, that's your daddy right there.

Starting point is 00:15:05 And I'm like, what? She was like, yeah, that's your daddy. Go in the store. Go in the store. That's your daddy right there. So I walked in the stove. He gave me a hug. You know, he just stared at me.

Starting point is 00:15:15 Like, this is my first time ever, like, touching them or being close to him. You know what I'm saying? He's just standing at me. I never forget, he had a dollar and a quarter in change. And the lady tried to give him the change, and he was just doing me like, like, that's you. So at this time, bro, like, we so broke. Man, bro, listen, I don't, I don't, I don't feel like it's another family in America that was as broke as us, bro. When I say broke, I don't, and see, we, we, we, we got to get this.

Starting point is 00:15:52 Together, we got to get this in a proper context because it's levels to broke. You know, like, it's levels to broke. And people be thinking they broke and you're not broke. You don't even know what broke is. And, you know, I just got to say it just like that you don't know what being broke is about because I don't have had partners complaining about they don't like the kind of juice they mama buy. And they didn't even understand, boy, I sell my soul for that juice.

Starting point is 00:16:22 Like, I sell my soul for a gallon of juice. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know what that, bro. I didn't know what that was. Water. When that's on. When the water was on. Like, this ain't no cap, bro.

Starting point is 00:16:36 Like, we were so broke. It used to be, like, a surprise when, like, if you flick the light and it, come on. You know what I'm saying? Me and my sister be like, the lights on. Like, what happened? Like, who did this? Like, the lights on the head. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:16:51 Twist the water. Come on, like, you know, you open an icebox, you see something in the other. Like, we whispering like, what's going on? Some chicken and icebox? Who's for? I don't know. Like, that's the, that's how broke we were. Bro, it's field trips that cost it a dollar.

Starting point is 00:17:11 I missed them all. I didn't, I swear to God, bro. It was a dollar. I remember I bought, shout out to my, shout out to my. neighbors, Mac Hudson, bro. Like, he like, he liked just the dude in the, in the neighborhood. Like, he's a real father. He takes everybody. He makes everybody straight. Even if you ain't in his household, you know, like he just, he just hold everything down. Shout out, shout out to Matt Hudson. But I remember, my mama borrowed, like, I think like $5 from them

Starting point is 00:17:48 and gave me a dollar to go on the field trip. Feel what I'm saying? It's just how broke we was. That night, she baked some biscuits and, like, did, like, some ground meat to make me something like a sandwich. Because that's what kids took. But we didn't have, like, bread and, like, you know, ham or whatever. So she kind of, like, got some ingredients and made me a sandwich. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:18:16 I got teased. Like, I'm coming with the plastic bag with the, you know, like, the, my vans. version of a sandwich and everybody, like, what's that? Oh, Duran, what you eat? He got them, you know. So, like, bro, we was, bro, we was poor, bro. Like, I used to fantasize about cereal. I used to want cereal so bad, bro.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Like, like, honestly, I used to just sit and think, like, man, when I get grown, bro, I'm going to get fruit loops, frosted flakes, like, all the cereal I want. You know what I'm saying? That was my desires as a kid. I didn't want much, bro. I used to, like, man, I can. can't wait till I get older so I can know how I like a snicker bar tastes. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:18:57 Like, I want one. Come on. Bro, I'm serious. Bro, I'm so serious. I got my first name brand pair of shoes in the ninth grade. I was in high school. Like, my whole middle school year, they used to call them like flow burners or something like that.

Starting point is 00:19:15 That's what I had. Like Walmart. And then in Mansfield, which is. Kids, bro, in Mansfield is harsh, bro. Like growing up there, how they do is joke and talk about it and pick you apart. Like, as soon as you get in school, they're looking for the flaw. You know what I'm saying? And I wasn't used to that because kids in Naginish really didn't care what you were.

Starting point is 00:19:38 Like, they weren't on that. Like, they ain't pay attention to your outfit or whatever. So coming to Mansfield, like having somebody looking you up and down, you know. So in school, we used to have to Everybody go in the gym and they call your name, your teacher come, and they call your name, you got to walk out the bleachers and go get in the line with your teacher. So everybody going to get a chance to see these shoes that you got on. You know what I'm saying? Every time I get up, bro, that's all I hear.

Starting point is 00:20:10 You know what I'm saying? Bro, I was traumatized. On top of that, on top of that, now the shoes, that's bad. I'm going through that. They joking. Yeah, you know, you got on. You got Spaldings and, you know, all this. And people don't probably even remember Sparney.

Starting point is 00:20:26 You know what I'm saying? But so my mama had a green station wagon on top of me having them shoes. And we finally got a vehicle. That was the cost she had, a green station wagon. So it was getting teased about the shoes into the green station wagon. You know what I'm saying? So I was really, like, picked on and teased a lot, like, coming up. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:20:50 And that's why you see me, I got, like, weight on me because... You got the cereal. You did get, finally did get some cereal. I got tired of getting picked on, bro. So, shout out to Coach Mayweather, but my high school coach, like, introduced me to weights, you know. And he like, he like a sergeant, lieutenant, you know, like, everybody in the world respect him. You know, like, everybody in a man's, like, super respect this dude. Like, when he comes, I could help, you know.

Starting point is 00:21:15 I could help. And I remember one day in the barbershop, he don't come in there often, but, like, he walked in a barbershop. We was all in that playing and talking. Everybody got quiet until he spoke. He spoke. He spoke and like, hey, what are you going on? Everybody, oh, okay. Went back to talking.

Starting point is 00:21:28 That's just the kind of respect that he got, you know. But he had to talk with me. He was like, man, look, bro, you're going to have to, like, get aggressive. You know, you're going to have to stop letting people push you around and, you know, get on these weights. And I took it to the head, you know, so I just, you know what I'm saying? I just got on the weights. But yeah, but I used to get picked on, bro. Back to my mama and my dad.

Starting point is 00:21:49 Back to my mom and my dad. So my grandma introduced me to him, and I finally, you know, knew who he was. So my mama turned the stories up. Like, it was bad, but she got any worse. When she found out like, oh, your granny, you know, I told her like, Mom, I seen my daddy. Oh, bro, she almost lost it. She was like, what? Your daddy, who told you that?

Starting point is 00:22:12 Your daddy, when you seen your daddy, I'm like, Medea introduced me at the store. Yeah, I told her about that. I told her about that. I didn't want you to go, who, woo, woo, you know. So I end up, after that, she made sure I didn't see him again for probably about another six or seven years. You know what I'm saying? I didn't.

Starting point is 00:22:33 And I was, because I met him, I was asking about him. And, bro, that go on so much. Shout out to all the dudes that's suffering from a bitter baby mama, bro. And you can't do nothing about it. They got to sit up. You're going to lose. Because if, if, and this, bro, let me just. say this. And yes, I'm passionate about this. For reasons. For reasons, I'm passionate about this,

Starting point is 00:22:56 bro. It's painful. Y'all be playing with, y'all be playing with people, kids, women. Y'all need to stop, bro. They're evil, bro. They're evil. Build a baby mamas? What is it? What did you say? Build a baby mamas, bro. It's never heard. Man, they control the world. In our urban communities, this dominates the conversations in the barbershops and the bitter baby mamas, bro. You feel me? Uh-huh.

Starting point is 00:23:27 Meaning, they don't have the emotional intelligence to, like, let this child represent what it's supposed to represent. Because they're evil and emotional, they start to weaponize the child. Right. Like, oh, I got leverage. So if you don't do this, you ain't going to see the child. Or, you know, and a lot of times it don't come out like that, but that's what they're doing.

Starting point is 00:23:57 But they're doing it in the way that if the dude explode, they didn't did it so discreetly like they're going to, what's wrong with him? He just, I don't know, girl, he's just cracking crazy. He just came over here and started busting my wonders and knocked over the car. I don't know. What's wrong with him? And the whole time this man been begging you nicely for a month to see his child. But now when he, okay.

Starting point is 00:24:20 just say this check me out you have an argument right just say somebody come in um you got a brand new car they come bust the windows out or they run into the back of your car you feel what I'm saying automatically you're going to have a emotional response to this bro automatically automatically automatically you're going to be passionate about this my new car you're allowed to do that about your belongings, but you're not allowed to be passionate about your children. You feel what I'm saying? If you're doing something to hurt my child and I raise my voice, I'm an angry black man, and I can go to jail for that, and that can be disturbing to peace.

Starting point is 00:25:02 But if somebody is disrespecting your stuff and there ain't on your property, you know, you got all these legal rights to do all this stuff when it's your property or it's your things. But when it come down to, if a man is passionate about his child, they use it against us. You know what I'm saying? See? So she can't come see you right now. You're screaming, baby. You why you hollering, you are all mad and you. This is what I should be mad about. This is my child. You ruining their life. That's why I'm so passionate. And I just, I hate the fact that we can be passionate about anything except for our children. When it's your children, you're not, that's not passion, it's anger, it's malice, it's, you feel what I'm saying? And, bro, that's like, that's

Starting point is 00:25:55 like, bro, I know so many dudes suffering, bro. Like, I know so many dudes suffering just want to see their kids, you feel me, just want to be able to, and then, you know, like, you get monitored. Okay, if you're going to see them, I'm going to be down your back. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to watch you and they can only do this and they can only do that. You know what I'm saying. Can't be around your new girlfriend. Never. Never. Now, they they sneak their doos over there, bro. They sneak their dudes over there. They do everything around the kids and the aisle of

Starting point is 00:26:26 them. But try to bring. Matter of fact, I got a thing I do on Facebook. Every time I see one of my partners with their new girl or something and they're smiling, I come in and say, shot some poor head ass. You know what I'm saying? That's when I come in. You go check it. Because I know, like, I'm, basically telling you, boy, you think there's been a go like that. You're on here cheeszing with your new old lady. Child support some kind of in some way is coming. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:26:54 Yeah, bro, but that's a struggle, bro. Shout out to all the dudes that's suffering, brother. They're just trying to see their kids. And they, baby, and mama is the real devil, bro. You feel what I'm saying? And I'd be telling people that I don't want to believe me, bro. Satan is a woman, bro. Satan is a female, man.

Starting point is 00:27:09 I'm for real. And I don't want to get into that. You know what I'm saying? Let's move. Then let's move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Okay. No, no, not.

Starting point is 00:27:18 But, okay, with my dad, my mama made sure I didn't see him again for a long time. This is how we ended up moving the man's field. Okay. My mama finally got the, like, the gall to say, okay, enough is enough. You know what I'm saying? So we moved out of our house. We went to our grandma house. And he still, he found out my mom was in my grandma house.

Starting point is 00:27:41 used to come knock on the door, you know, every day. But my grandma didn't play. You know, she'll wake up finally out there. You know what I'm saying? She's strapped. She's ready to get it on. Like, hey, listen, Barry, you got two seconds to get away from my dough. And he know my mom, he know my granite when, you know, my granted when, you know, my

Starting point is 00:27:58 grandin went playing like that, you know what I'm saying? This is a different grandmother. Because you said he was friends with the one. No, no. No, no. No, my granted was friends with my pops with my bio dad. Okay. This is the abusive step daddy that's coming to her house.

Starting point is 00:28:11 to try to see my mama. You know what I'm saying? But shout out to my uncle Randy. My uncle ran out, a gangster. You know what I'm saying? Big old gangster. And he gave, this first time I ever seen his gun. But he found out what was going on.

Starting point is 00:28:26 He gave my mama a Uzi. You know what I'm saying? And my mama don't even know what to do with it. But it was in our closet. Like, he pulled up to our house and lost it. He's like, you know, Rubber, what's going on? You know, he's putting his hands on you. But my mom,

Starting point is 00:28:41 my uncle crazy. So my mama kind of watered it down. Nah, Ronnie, that ain't going on. That ain't what happened. Blasey, Blasey. So he come in the house with a big, with a big head. I'm talking about something niche out. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:28:55 Like, listen, come back in here, do this. I want you to put it on him. He's showing her how to cock it and shooting. You know, my mama ain't fin to use it, but my uncle just, you know what I'm saying? So like, that's more trauma. Now I'm like, oh, God, somebody feeling to get shot. I'm in the bed laying down, thinking I'm feeling to hit a gun go off. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:29:12 But yeah, that's how we ended up in Mansfield. So the kids was like teasing me in Mansfield, not even understanding like, I'm really like broken and traumatized and hurt. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want to argue with you. I don't want to fuss. We just moved to Mansfield. There's no furniture in our house.

Starting point is 00:29:31 The lights ain't on. The water ain't on. You feel what I'm saying? No cap, bro. Mike sounds sad I ain't trying to put on. We moves our new house in Mansfield, right? It was, it was, uh, something like some molded bread and some pickle mayonnaise left on the table in a five gallon bucket of water.

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Starting point is 00:30:23 Luxury sales claim based on S&P Global Mobility Canadian New Vehicle Total Registrations for calendar year 2025 for the Cadillac definition of luxury. And it was like snook, like this much water and it was, it was trash in the water too. You know what I'm saying? My mama was in Naginish working. You know what I'm saying? go from negatives, but we didn't have no transportation, so she had to wait until somebody bring her to Mansfield. You know what I'm saying? But we was in Mansfield. You know what I'm

Starting point is 00:30:50 saying? She had already transported us to Mansfield. Bro, it got, me and my sister got so hungry. We started eating this molded bread and this pickle mayonnaise that had been left out for days, and this was the summertime. We was drinking this water with trash in it, bro. Like no cap. That's what we was doing. You feel what I'm saying? The thing about it is, I just felt like all that was normal. I was accustomed to that.

Starting point is 00:31:18 You know what I'm saying? I just felt like all that was normal because that's how we was living. Even like air conditioners, bro, like in the summertime, all the windows up, everybody laid on the flow, sweating. It was hot. I wouldn't even dreaming about thinking about no AC.

Starting point is 00:31:39 because that's for rich people. That's for people that got money. Not us. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just trying to be as descriptive as possible to let you know how broke I was

Starting point is 00:31:50 and what I went through. So that's why, man, you got people that came from that. You really can't put them if they started in a negative to that degree, what do you expect

Starting point is 00:32:03 from these individuals? You know what I'm saying? Where do you think that they're supposed to be in life? You feel what I'm saying? How do you think they're supposed to act mentally? And the world is so sad, bro, like, if that person react a certain type of way, the jailhouse for all of them, the people that can handle that and the people that can't.

Starting point is 00:32:27 You know, ain't that special for you if you go through that and you can't handle it and you get out here and start acting crazy and responding to the, bro, you're going to jail. You feel what I'm saying? Don't nobody care about that. You started into negative and you, you know what I'm saying? But like, I just want to be descriptive as possible to let you know, bro. I was broke, bro. I starved.

Starting point is 00:32:47 I was hungry. That's why I'm fat right now. Bro, I wait 320. I'm 300, 20 pounds. I eat everything. I eat everything, bro. Like, that's my reputation. People know that.

Starting point is 00:33:00 Like, people know, like, man, that boy is greedy. He don't never stop eating. He ain't even invite him over here. He's going to eat it all. You know what I'm saying? When I see food, my, from me being. being traumatized as a child, my mind still says, boy, you better eat as much of that as possible.

Starting point is 00:33:15 You don't know the next time you're going to eat. You feel what I'm saying? I swear, bro, I haven't been with females before and we're in a restaurant and I'm just going in. And they're like, wait, stop, it's yours. It ain't going to where. What's wrong with you? And I really have to realize like, damn, why I'm eating like that?

Starting point is 00:33:32 You know, but I'm traumatized, bro. Like, I starved. You feel what I'm saying? As a child, you know? so oh i'm thinking about dalsey when we went to dinner with dalsey that's funny you say that because that's exactly what i was thinking i was like i wonder if that was the same situation this is dalsy we uh we interviewed him great interview i've known him forever and we went out to dinner afterward and i mean he is just talking while he's eating and just

Starting point is 00:33:57 shoveling it and we were like i was like bro i was like you're a fucking savage bro like what are you doing and i'm like we're in a restaurant like what do you i've never seen this since Coleman like you and he was like I'm hung yeah I know I know he's talking I know So anyway he's talking foods fall out with him He's like this I've never seen anything fucking like this Right look I promise And he's had tons of money

Starting point is 00:34:18 But he grew up very poor That's man that's what it is because I Not not Me and my homeboys went to Golden Corral You know that's what they do when they want to you know They'll treat me So he uh my homeboy Bradhead took me to Golden Corral so you know I'm just doing my thing

Starting point is 00:34:34 Like this what I do So this lady sitting next to me, she was like, excuse me, sir, I don't, I don't mean to get in your business, but you're going to be sick. You know, and I said politely, ma'am, listen, I know how it may

Starting point is 00:34:48 look, but I'm a professional. Like, this is what I do. I'm going to be good. You know what I know. I know it might look crazy, but I got it. Like, this is what I do. And my partner's like, like, no, he's just getting started. You know what I'm saying? They stopped there and watched. She was done eating. She was just over there just looking.

Starting point is 00:35:04 Picking her phone up, sneaking pictures. You know what I'm saying? Like, real deal, bro. Man, I grew up starving, bro. And I still, that's why my weight fluctuate. You know what I'm saying? You might see me one week. I'm going to be sexy, looking lean, face skinny.

Starting point is 00:35:19 The next week, bro, I'm, you know, got the deep-boy stomach sticking out, you know, pants, clothes, fitting crazy. You know what I'm saying? But I, but yeah, though, that's, you know, like growing up, bro, I had a rough childhood, bro. It was tough, bro. Like, I went through. some stuff as a child, bro. But the only thing is my mama just kept

Starting point is 00:35:42 this rooted. My spirituality toted me through all of that, bro. Like my belief in my faith kept me through all of that because the only thing I had in them time, I always was dreaming. I was always dreaming. Like, broke and poor, I still

Starting point is 00:35:58 believed that one day I can be on TV. That was my thing. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I never not. dreamed through all of that. We was going through the worst circumstances, but I always felt like I got an opportunity to make it. Like, I can really, you know, I can really be something. So when you got to high school, when did you start, like, boxing? Like, and it wasn't really like a class or something. It was just, like, self-educate myself

Starting point is 00:36:32 on how to defend myself. You feel what I'm saying? Because, bro, that's the worst. thing for these kids, that's the biggest fear, bro, getting beat up. You know, like, I don't understand. I don't know if people understand, like, how treacherous that is to, and I don't know if I pronounce that right, treacherous. Traumatizing. Yeah, to a kid, bro. Like, when you think somebody's going to beat you up and every kid's head, I'm going to get

Starting point is 00:37:03 in the fight and I'm going to get unalived. You know, so that's kind of like the scariest thing, like growing up. You feel what I'm saying? And this is the kicker. You have these kids that feel this way, and you got some other kids that got their feet with already. And they see like that it ain't that bad. Now, all the rest of them kids that they know is having that dilemma, they fool now. I'm going to use that against you.

Starting point is 00:37:31 I'm going to weaponize it. I said some to you and respond like a person. that will fight and defend their self. I'm on you the whole year. Give me that. Give me this. You know, you know, P, pass me the ball. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:37:44 You better pass it, shoot it if you want to. That's what's going on. You feel what I'm saying? With a lot of these kids. And when you got all these crimes, like they're just springing that out. You got to understand. We forget this when we get grown.

Starting point is 00:37:57 We forget what mattered to us as children and how serious things was as kids. because when you get to being adult, you know, all the mysteries kind of go out the window. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know what's at the end of the tunnel. But kids have yet to figure that out, and they're scared. So anytime you see a kid being bullied or it even look like that,

Starting point is 00:38:25 bro, I deal with it. I deal with it. I don't care who kids it is. I don't care who they're mama, who they related to. in my neighborhood, my city, wherever I'm at. If I see a kid even look like they get picked on, I intervene. I'm getting everybody talks and lectures. I don't care about that.

Starting point is 00:38:44 Bro, I was, my daughter, my daughter had a little situation where she kept saying, you know, dad, they're picking. Like, they picking on me. My daughter's super sweet, bro. Like, she's super sweet. She don't want to do nothing but just live in her, like her fairy tale. Cinderella cartoon world. She wouldn't heard a fly.

Starting point is 00:39:06 Like she's so lovable. And, you know, so, and I ain't just saying that because that's my kid, you know. She's, that's what she is. You feel what I'm saying? So she was just telling me like, Dad, I'm getting picked on. You know, like this girl is doing this and this girl is doing that. As soon as I hear that, automatically I'm ready to go to the penitentiary. Like I'm ready, whatever this brain behind my daughter, however many years, this brain,

Starting point is 00:39:31 man, bring that to me. I'm trying to do that. That's how I feel about my child. You feel me? So I went to the school and I'm talking to the principal and I'm like, yeah, bro, I need to speak to that teacher. The janitor come and tell me like, yeah, bro, I just heard the teacher like kind of joking on that little girl with the kids. She's scared of the kids. So she's trying to be in cahoots with them, and she told your daughter something like,

Starting point is 00:40:07 oh, you must be having a mental breakdown. When I seen red, bro. I seen, when I heard that, I can't even explain how angry that was. So I'm planning cool. I'm in there talking to the principal nights because I need my attitude to be presented in a way that he feel comfortable, letting his teacher come in front of me, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm a little too big if I turn up, he's going to be like, no, keep her down in the classroom. Don't bring her.

Starting point is 00:40:36 So I mean, I'm like, yeah, I just want to talk to her. You know, my daughter's having problems. You know, I'm putting my professional voice on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, my daughter's having a problem. He brings her. I start grilling him. I'm grilling like, yeah, what?

Starting point is 00:40:49 My, one thing I talk to my daughter. Communicate, speak effectively, look people in the eye, talk fluent, talk. So when she started asking, when I start asking, when I start asking, asking my daughter questions, she was on point. She was saying it clear like, yes, on this certain day, you said this to me, and you told me I was a liar, and you said this and you laughed and you. So she embarrassed, and she's sweating. I'd go off, start calling her every name in the book. I'm not threatening everybody.

Starting point is 00:41:20 Now, the principal, the principal trying to protect her. You know what I'm saying? He was like, sir, she already answered that question. I'm like, man, you shut up. I'm not talking to you. I'm gonna deal with you after this. Because I see this is why they behaving like this. Because you're here protecting them.

Starting point is 00:41:36 And you're supposed to be protecting the kids. All this stuff going on with these kids and you worry about it is this teacher. Feelings get hurt. She ran out of the office. That's how much pressure I was putting on her. I ran behind them. No cap. My daughter tell you, I chased, if you ever, all the kids in the hallway like,

Starting point is 00:41:53 oh my God. I'm in the hallway like, everybody in this school can get it. You know what I'm saying? I'm having a, so the security came. I'm sure. Look, the security came, and I'd embarked on the security. No, this store ain't no gas. Like my daughter here with me right now, she'll tell you,

Starting point is 00:42:11 on Jesus Benoit Chaville Christ, this is the truth. You feel what I'm saying? I'm in the hallway, so the security guard, he came nice, though. He walked up to me nice. He was like, look, man, I understand, you know, stuff can happen about your kids, but, you know, please, you can't do this. You know, I respected that. He tried to do his job.

Starting point is 00:42:32 He was respectful. I love. You feel what I'm saying? But, like, man, if your child is telling you that they got a problem and they're getting bullied, I ain't telling you to handle it like I handled it because me thinking logically, me thinking logically, it's a lot of ignorance incorporated with that. I can honestly say that. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:42:57 But you got to deal with these kids, bro. Like, that's a lot that, man, they go through a lot. And they aren't emotionally intelligent enough to, like, sort this stuff out. They're just looking for an exit. Right. They just want to get away. And a lot of times, that's what results into these, you know, like into what they, them harming themselves or something like that.

Starting point is 00:43:19 You feel what I'm saying? Because they don't know how to get out. That's why you as a parent got to tell them, look, this is the way out. This is how we're going to explain. escape this. You feel what I'm saying? But yeah, I moved my daughter to like a new school that day, you know what I'm saying? Even though it was like $800 a month, you know what I'm saying? I took her down there with no offense, you know, y'all my people, you know, I'm rock with child. And I used to be white when I was a baby too. But I took it down now with the white

Starting point is 00:43:45 folks. You know what I'm saying? I took it down now with the white people. She, I go check on their school, brus she in there doing art and they and, you know, they're in the Woo's son and expressing their feelings and she, Dad, I went to chapel today. I learned about Daniel in the lines then. Baby, yes. See, this is we, you know what I'm saying? I took it on there with the white folk.

Starting point is 00:44:05 We ain't got no problems. Everybody nice, everybody respectful. You know, I'm at school checking on my daughter, little kids coming up. Kennedy, my mom baked cookies today. Have some? You know what I'm saying? My daughter, sure.

Starting point is 00:44:18 You feel me? Bro, that's what I, that's the life I want for my child. I'm not sending her back over the, with them kids, don't know how to treat people, picking on and, you know, doing, I ain't doing that,

Starting point is 00:44:30 brus. So y'all, whatever y'all need to do to make sure your kid is good, do that, bro. Send them with them folks. So I have a quick question.

Starting point is 00:44:40 Go ahead. Go ahead. You know this is like a true crime show, right? Right. Is there a crime coming up? Is there some kind of a criminal thing? I mean, I mean, I'm trying to work, I'm trying to work with you.

Starting point is 00:44:57 Man, look, bro. Like, you're not, we're not, we're not moving, are we moving towards that? Right. Like, like, I, um, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, high school, high school, I'm assuming has something to do with high school, you and high school. Okay. Because high school, learn to fight. That, that.

Starting point is 00:45:14 That's, okay. Boom. So, so, so, so, and, in, in high school, I started hanging with these, this dude, like Kobe Will Chris Rankin, you know, they gangsters, bro. They gangsters, they had like the young kid they had it on lock. You knew don't play with these dudes, bro. They, whatever. They gun violence.

Starting point is 00:45:36 They, you know, they're shooting up your house, your car, whatever. They're fighting you, whatever. In high school. Bro, and we 13, 14. These people got big. This is middle school. That's like middle school. And then my partner, Kobe, he the coldest running back in the state in middle school.

Starting point is 00:45:54 And he's still at home got big pistols and fighting. You know what I'm saying? But me and him played running back and tailback. I mean, I played fullback. He played running back. So that's how I kind of started getting cool with him. Like that fear that I had in me, like, you know, somebody say something to me, I wouldn't. Oh, they didn't hesitate.

Starting point is 00:46:14 Every day I'm with them. Somebody say the wrong thing. They own them. Boop, pooh, boo. Every day, bro. Like, I was seeing it. So I ended up getting jumped one day. You know, I ain't going to go into detail,

Starting point is 00:46:28 but these dudes jumped on me about this little situation. So I seen Kobe, he was like, bro, what happened? I'm like, but these dude jumped on me. He was like, man, let's go over that right now. We went over there. I'm to my man, big, big old melee. We all in the fear about to fight. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

Starting point is 00:46:45 Now, after that day, I started getting confidence. You know what I'm saying? So we start working now. He's doing pushups because Kobe, you know, he's swole. You know what I'm saying? Like he was like 13, but he looked at like 19, 20, oh, he was big. So he had just, you know, he's showing me how to work out and stuff like that. So now I'm kind of losing that fear.

Starting point is 00:47:08 Now I turn into, you know, I'm the predator. You feel me? Right. Now, it's dangerous, bro. Once you feel that power, you never want to go back to that other side. So you take this further. and further and further. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:47:25 No, I'm fighting. Man, I want all the phase. I'm accepting all the phase. And this ain't no cap because people be coming on these things, saying whatever. Man, you can ask anybody from where I'm from. They'll tell you, man, that boy liked that. He'll fight anything.

Starting point is 00:47:38 A line of tiger, bell. He really, he ain't got no field. I've seen him fight two, three people. They have sticks. Like the stories, you be hearing that sound like, it's cap. They're true with me, bro. Like, real there.

Starting point is 00:47:48 And I don't, I don't project that because that ain't what I want, I'm too talented to be talking about all this stuff I did this and that. I'd be leaving that out. But since, you know, it's this kind of podcast, you know, we talk about true crime, talking about stuff. I'm giving it to you. But, like, you feel me? But, man, yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:06 So I start fighting. Now, everybody's scared for me, my mama, because this didn't happen in my family, people that on both side, my mom's side and my daddy's side. You know what I'm saying? Where you got somebody that's known for fighting. they end up getting killed. You know what I'm saying? So, like, my, my mama afraid for me because she kind of done seeing this before.

Starting point is 00:48:29 You know what I'm saying? So every weekend, bro, I'm getting into something. You know what I'm saying? I'm playing football. I'm being successful. But it's fighting. Me, Kobe, and Chris. You know, and we study adding on more members.

Starting point is 00:48:45 But we're getting this reputation now. You feel what I'm saying? And I finally see what it feels like to be on the other side. You feel what I'm saying? Bro, that's dangerous, bro. Now I've got this like power surge. Okay. Now, I'm not scared to fight.

Starting point is 00:49:01 And my thing is, no, don't disrespect me. Disrespect me is consequences. That's what I'm trying to live by. Because that's what I've been led to believe. You feel what I'm saying? That's what I'm trying to do. Like, that's what I want my life to signify. Like, don't play with me.

Starting point is 00:49:20 Don't disrespect me. feel what I'm saying? So I end up this is how this is fighting and stuff, bro, like led to me having my first experiences with jail and something that I never wanted to

Starting point is 00:49:35 I never wanted to go to jail, bro. I've always been afraid of jail. And if you out there, I want you, I want you out there I want you to understand this. If you out there, I want you to understand this, it's different between people that's afraid of people and people that's afraid of jail.

Starting point is 00:49:52 I ain't scared of nobody, nothing. I want all the smoke. But jail, petrified. You feel me? Petrified. I got to say this because it tied into my whole story as a whole. What made me even, my uncle ran it that I was telling you about earlier, that gave my mama the oozy to put it on my stepdad because he was doing what he was doing.

Starting point is 00:50:18 Right. He was, I never seen this dude, bro. He went to the boy. Boys on one time, he never stopped. I never got a chance to see my uncle. He was in and out of jail, and I just kind of seen what he was going through. So it kind of put this fear of jail in me. You feel me?

Starting point is 00:50:38 This one made it worse, though. It's a movie that, I know Oprah in the movie. I think it's called Brewster's Place. Oprah plays in the movie, and she got a son named Weasel. And Weasel, in the movie, it portray all this stuff that he's going through, and he keep coming crimes and keep going to jail. You feel what I'm saying? It ended up, you know, he'll always get out.

Starting point is 00:51:07 She'll be there, cook for him, be happy to see him. Next thing you know, he's gone back to jail. He ended up catching like a serious charge, and he called her, and I heard Oprah say to him in the movie, like, son, that's it. You know, I'm at the end of my rope. I can't do nothing else for you. That ain't going to never let you out. Oh, bro.

Starting point is 00:51:25 That scarred me. Me as a kid, I cried on that scene, bro. I cried. I still remember. I was at my grandma house. I used to sleep on the floor. I was watching the TV. My mama heard me crying.

Starting point is 00:51:37 She asked me like, what was wrong with you? I'm down there. It hurting my feelings, bro. It hurted me to see like, dang, he ain't never getting that. And his mama can't even save him. That movie psychologically, made me afraid to ever get in that situation.

Starting point is 00:51:56 You feel me? My first time going to jail after I didn't, you know, now I feel like I'm a fighter. I'm this bad person. And really because I'm physically stronger than everybody else, I don't put out my work into these weights. And you know what I'm saying? So my, my girl at the time, I called her.

Starting point is 00:52:20 Howled were you? At this time, I was probably like 19. I'm fresh out of high school. Like, I'm going to college at Northwestern State. You know what I'm saying? I was screaming, demon. But my girl at the time, I called her, you know. And I don't want to get into that because I don't want you out of, you know, I ain't trying to get.

Starting point is 00:52:42 But yeah, I called her, bro. You know what I'm saying? She was doing something. And she was doing it so smooth. It was confusing me for a. long time and I caught about the fault. You know, like I caught about the fault because I was, I told this dude that used to stay in this house, he used to stay next to the house where she used to hang out at with her friend. So I was like, hey, bro, if you see, woo, woo, whoa,

Starting point is 00:53:09 man hit me up, you know, let me know. So he called me. I'm in the barbershop, couldn't help. You know what I'm saying? Couldn't have for her. Buy her shoes and stuff and keep her living a certain type of way and you out your plan anyway i'm in i'm in i'm in a shop i'm couldn't hell on jesus benoit christ couldn't help boom he called hey bro i just seen i take off it's like three blocks i'm running you know what i'm saying trying to catch something the dude who i thought she was weak who i thought she was cheating on me with it wasn't him it was his brother So, as soon as I hit the street, I see her jump out of his truck. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:53:58 As soon as I hit the street and I'm like, oh, this was, you feel what I'm saying? And he was way older than me too. He was way older than me. I couldn't do nothing with him. He had like an avalanche, a black avalanche. I ain't going to get in all that because, you know, people might know. But like, man, avalanche was clean. I even liked it.

Starting point is 00:54:19 So I know she liked it. It was pressure. Man, I swear to God. On Jesus, Dwayne Christ, the avalanche of pressure. I seen her hop out of it. And that's what kind of hurt me because I knew I lost. Like, man, I can't do nothing with that avalanche. What I'm going to do, bro?

Starting point is 00:54:36 I ran over here. You know what I'm saying? I know she wanted to be in that avalanche, bro. You feel me? So I go over there and knit up. You know, I'm over there. Hey, boy, when I catch you, I'm trying to use my, you know what I'm saying? So I ain't gonna lie.

Starting point is 00:54:50 He's come. He's cool. He's like, man, bro, whatever, bro. You hurt. You know what I'm saying? That hurt ain't worse. You got, you know what I'm saying? But you got somebody that's just all laid back and smooth.

Starting point is 00:55:02 Like, man, you're gonna be all right, bro. Just chill. This is making me even mad. So I started punching the truck that his brother and his girlfriend was in. So his brother hopped out like, you know, he's mad. Now, he's mad, boy, when I see him. I'm a do, woo, woo, woo, woo. So in my head is up, you know, like me and him had this argument.

Starting point is 00:55:24 He said what he was going to do to me. I said what I was going to do to him. Now, I ain't take his brother as a threat, but I really felt like me and him, you know, like he might try it. I see him at a football game. And, bro, this was one of the worst things I ever did because I didn't think about this. One of my closest friends, the most genuine,

Starting point is 00:55:47 one of the most genuine dudes I ever met, bro. I loved him to death. Man, he stayed on the good side of time, and he didn't care about you coming to his house, playing his game, wearing his shoes, eating their food up. Man, I'm talking about one of the, one of the realest dudes I ever met. His name is Montre White.

Starting point is 00:56:07 You know what I'm saying? He's from my city. But, like, bro, I had genuine love for this dude because he was one of the best people that I encountered all through school. he was just always a real dude. I didn't think about the fact that, like, this was his relative. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:56:24 And, like, how can I say that you're my partner if I'm willing to hurt somebody that you love or do something to him? I went on that at the time. And I still be thinking about that to this day. You know, I still be thinking about, like, man, I'm a car that dude. But he's just such a cool laid-back, nonchaline person. He probably, you know, he probably would. He'll probably just like, ah, brother, you know, that's old.

Starting point is 00:56:46 But like, I really still be thinking about that to this day because I look at that like it's betrayal. And I be thinking about like, man, I could have really like hurt that dude, you know, like in a certain type of way of he felt like we was, we was too cool or too good of friends for me to make that move. But I didn't see him in that situation. I didn't consider him. But that's what friends do. They consider each other. They consider each other friends. So, you know, I'm very apologetic about that right now as a grown man.

Starting point is 00:57:22 You feel what I'm saying? But I see dude at the game. You know, I see him at the game, at the football game. It's homecoming. You feel me? The girl I was talking to at the time, she on the homecoming court. And she was still in high school. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:57:36 So she's on the homecoming court. She got her little stuff on, whatever, whatever. I see him. I'm not sure if I want to do nothing because it's, police out you and everybody, you know, it's a lot of people, it's homecoming. Nah, but I'm on, you know, I'm trying to be on this. He played with me, you know, he disrespect me. I got to, I got to do that.

Starting point is 00:57:57 We got, we got to do this. You feel what I'm saying? His girl said, come on, let's go on and go. Because I know how you is. So I'm like, you know how he is. This was making me feel plagued. It ain't him, it's her. She's like, yeah, come on and get in the car because I don't.

Starting point is 00:58:16 want you to hurt nobody. So I didn't hurt who? You know, it went up. Just like that. It went up. Boom. I end up hitting them. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:58:30 I hit him and I took off. I ran. Because I know these police officers, they everywhere. You know, homecoming is a big deal where I'm from. I hit him and I ran. I ain't going to even cap. I'm going to keep him 100. I took off.

Starting point is 00:58:44 You know what I'm saying? I look back. my two home boys behind me. They're running with me. You know what I'm saying? So we run neighborhood from over there, from in front of the school. We're in the bushes.

Starting point is 00:58:55 Bro, this is how I know. I don't want to do no crime and I don't want to, you know, I'm afraid of jail. While we're in the bushes, we whispering. We start saying ambulance. You know, we said ambulance and sirens. Oh, that's not good. Oh, bro.

Starting point is 00:59:11 Look, I'm in the bushes like this. God, please. If you, if you, God, if he, He's living. If you make it so, I didn't hurt him. I promised God, I ain't never put my hands on nobody else, God, please. You just punch him once? I hit him one time.

Starting point is 00:59:25 And he fell. He fell, you know, but you got to understand. I'm bench pressing, you know, 400 some pounds at the time. You know, I'm a big dude. That's all I do. All I do is work out. You know what I'm saying? You can't tell now because, you know, I'm a little chunky.

Starting point is 00:59:40 But, yeah, bro, like, I really thought in my head, I'm like, like, man, what if he passed? I'm feeling to go to jail for life. I'm over there. No cap on me. Keep it all the way real. My eyes watery. Right.

Starting point is 00:59:52 My eyes watery. I'm in the bushes. Eyes watering. I'm just, God, please. Please, God, if you let me out of this, I swear I'm done fighting them, I ain't fighting no more. You know what I'm saying? I found out myself, you know, I ain't one of them. I ain't like that.

Starting point is 01:00:09 I don't want to go to jail. You know what I'm cool with that. You know what I'm cool with that. You know what I'm cool with that. You feel of me? But the police ended up coming to my house picking me up. You know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, we had struck like a little deal.

Starting point is 01:00:27 He put it out there like through some mutual people like, okay, if you just stay away from this girl and you, you know, whatever, whatever, we'll call a spade a spade, but I was still talking to her. And he found out so he went on, pressed the charges or whatever. Police come pick me up. bro this this was like

Starting point is 01:00:49 one of the worst things that ever happened to me bro police picked me up they they putting me in jail and you know I'm going through getting my little mug shot and all this

Starting point is 01:01:01 bro I'm petrified I finally I'm in a holding cell the holding says will run you crazy you know because you really don't know what's going to go on the hold of cell you and that by yourself you don't hit no vote

Starting point is 01:01:13 voices are nothing. You're just in there chilling. This is how they do jail in the parish in Mansfield. You go in the holding cell until they get wherever they're going to put you. I'm in the holder cell. I'm waiting on them to come and do whatever. They come and put me in 200. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:01:32 That's what we call it. Like it got like 200, 400, 600, 600, by crimes. You know, at 200, that means you ain't really doing that in that series. Right. You know, but the bad dudes might be in. in like 700 or, you know, something like that. And I don't really know, but that's, you know, that's how I go. So they put me in 200.

Starting point is 01:01:52 I see a couple of dudes from my neighborhood, you know what I'm saying? My big doll, boo-bo here and now. So one of the little dudes, they're like, bro, what you're here for? I'm in there straight line. I'm like, brus, you know, some bowls, you know what I said? They caught me with two pounds. They ran out and I had two pounds on the table. And, you know, they locked me up.

Starting point is 01:02:12 You know, I ain't there. I've punched the guy. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I need to feel like my charge match your charge. You know, like, if y'all did something, I did something too. That's how my mind working at the time. You know, I'm 19. I'm like, yeah, I had two balls on the table.

Starting point is 01:02:31 I had two pounds. They ran and, you know, snatched the pounds. I had $16,000 in cash. They took the cash, you know. I'm in now just running. Like, for real? I'm like, yeah, man, they, you know, took my car. Hards and stuff, man. I'm talking about, man, Craig.

Starting point is 01:02:46 My home bud, Bubo can, they were like, man, that boy at Cal, he ain't never touched no, nothing in his life. His mama whipping right now. He's a church boy, you know what I'm saying? So it was, I laughed. Everybody laughed, like, because they was, you know, people listening to the story.

Starting point is 01:03:02 You know what I'm saying? But my partner, Bubo came like, man, that boy, land. Man, that boy don't here. He don't do no, he don't do no, anything like that. It might be some fighting or something. You know, that's what he's going to do.

Starting point is 01:03:11 But he ain't doing no, you know, no drugs. And I was like, you know what I'm saying? So we end up, we're not laughing. I learned how to play Domino's in jail, you know. I met these two Mexican dudes. I ain't know how to play Domino's. They taught me how to play Dominole. You know, cool as ever.

Starting point is 01:03:26 I never forget this Mexican dude. I asked me, I was like, bro, what, what you do? You know, he was like, man, I have a couple of beers, you know. I fall asleep. I wake up. They tell me, you know, I ran over and killed two people. And I'm like, bro. Now, how you just put that like, that's my mistake.

Starting point is 01:03:43 No, what you did was you got drunk and you hit somebody and it was a hit and run and then they caught you, not you in jail, you know. He's trying to play on my sympathy. You know, I wake up, man, go to sleep. I wake up. They tell me I can give two people. Like, bro, you know, but this was my partner because they were teaching me how to play dominoes. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:04:05 I went to the hearing with the judge, you know, she on the, she on the little, um, on a little Zoom car. So she, we going up, I'm thinking like, okay, this is how you get at, you know, I'm going to get out and talk to the judge, you know. So she was like, uh, Jermaine Williams and, yes, ma'am, okay, we have you for such and such, a sudden battery with a deadly weapon. So at that time, I'm like, with a deadly weapon, like, I ain't even hit him with a you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:04:37 But that's what they had me done. And like I, the report said I hit him up over the head with a blunt object. You feel, I'm saying? Stuff like that. You know, so I'm like, dang, now I'm getting kind of scared. Because I'm like, man, they're serious. Assad and battled with a deadly woman. You know, whatever.

Starting point is 01:04:53 He was saying I hit him over the head with or whatever. So the judge was like, okay, you have a hearing on the 30th. And I'm like, cool. So I just got to call somebody. I said, the 30th. Like, hey, what? What's the day? Like, it's the sick.

Starting point is 01:05:12 I'm like, hold on. I'm like, man, hold on, hey, y'all put up back on the TV. I'm like, now she don't know, you know, today the second. What she mean? I got, like, bro, you got to wait. So I'm like, I got a hearing on the 30, and it's the second in jail for a month, bro. Did you have a bond? Nothing.

Starting point is 01:05:30 I had nothing, bro. She didn't give me nothing. She just told me I had a hearing on the 30th. You feel what I'm saying? That's all I remember. So I was cool. I told her okay. I didn't think about what the date was, me, me, hearing her say, you got a hearing to me and me being so ignorant, I'm thinking, like, that's her telling me, like, I'm going to get out.

Starting point is 01:05:57 Yeah, you'll have to come back. Like, I'm going to get out, but you got to come back to court. Something like that, you know. So when she left after I didn't agree to everything and, you know, that's when I figured it out. Like, I'm like, hold on. Did she say the 30th, y'all? They're like, yeah, I'm like, but it's the second. Like, yeah, well, you guys, you know, stay in here to the, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:06:16 Boom. Go back and, uh... Four weeks later? I mean, a lot of dollars. And this is the thing. This is the thing. My brother, uh, he worked in that at the time. He worked at the jail.

Starting point is 01:06:35 You feel what I'm saying? And like, this who raised me, his name, Greg Perry, he's still across street from me. You know, this who raised me, he taught me so much stuff, bro. You know what I'm saying? To this day, he's still like, dude, I got the utmost respect for. But he was working in there at the time. So because, like, they know, like, Jermaine ain't no bad dude. You know, he just got in a bad situation.

Starting point is 01:07:01 They kind of is not letting me be in jail like everybody else. Right. They coming in and out like, hey, Jermaine, you okay? Anybody messing with you? You good? You sure? So I'm like, man, they need to stop doing that, bro. But I know that's my, you know, that's my brother holding me down.

Starting point is 01:07:18 You know what I'm saying? He's like, um, he's like, man, I'm like, man, they need to stop doing that, bro. They're making it look like, I don't know how to be in, you know, I don't know how to be in jail. I'm like, bro, I'm locked up, chill. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing my little time. You know what I'm saying? Boom, bro.

Starting point is 01:07:34 Okay, nah, I'm in that chilling. My partner next to me, he, uh, he passed away. He passed away now But we call him Funston You know what I'm saying But he was on the phone With a girl He came back sad

Starting point is 01:07:49 And woo-woo-woo I'm like, bro, what's going on? He's like, man, my, you know what I'm saying? The girl had to dial me at You know, she told me she got another dude And don't call him Boom-boom, boom. Now I'm really tripping

Starting point is 01:07:59 Like I'm like, damn I want this, my old lady on some stuff like that All this stuff going through my head This is an unfamiliar situation This is what really made me ready To go home My partner

Starting point is 01:08:10 Other than this, you were okay? Yeah, yeah, you know, this is what really made me ready to go home. My partner was in there singing loud, you know. So one of the guards came in there and told him to shut up. You know, he's like, hey, shut up. Get that noise down. He thought it was one of us. So he was like, hey, you don't like it, bud and that kept singing.

Starting point is 01:08:35 Police, the officer is open cell to our. bro, real deal. He went and out to Mike. This is all I heard. You know what I'm saying? He ain't come out for about two days. He ain't out with the cover of his head. And I'm like, dang, bro, that's how I go ahead.

Starting point is 01:08:52 They can just do that. They're like, yeah, bro. You know what I'm saying? That's how they, such and such just got beat up and not cleaning up his cell. They came in on him. I'm ready to go. Like, bro, I'm ready to go.

Starting point is 01:09:02 Y'all do your knuckles ashy. Y'all don't even put lotion on your hands, beers, nap. naps, y'all in your fake, bro. This is not, this not for me, bro. I, I don't want no parts of these. You feel what I'm saying? That experience, though, taught me, bro.

Starting point is 01:09:18 Like, being in jail that many days, meeting all them people, having all them conversations. And what's crazy, mostly everybody that I did that, most everybody that I met in them few days, they passed, bro. They gone.

Starting point is 01:09:36 Like, they died. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that was just crazy because, you know, I'm a spiritual person. My biggest thing when I was in there, I was telling people like, bro, how are you ready to go talk to this lawyer and his judge about getting out? But when they call for church, you don't go. That's the ultimate judge. You don't want to go talk to God, but you want to go talk to your lawyer.

Starting point is 01:09:58 You know what I'm saying? I'm like, bro, y'all need to start, you know, so that's just always been my, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I was in there on, like, really, you know what I'm saying? So, but yeah, bro, like, like. After that, a couple of more incidents, all fighting. That's what all my charges behind. All of my charges that I've ever caught been behind fighting, hitting people, and, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:10:23 So you go back on the 28th. What happens? I get put on probation. Okay. How much probation did you get? A year. Okay. She put me on probation for a year, bro.

Starting point is 01:10:36 Man, and I don't just want to. I don't just want to keep telling these stories because, you know, that was in my past with a, in a past relationship, you feel me? I ain't nothing, you know, I ain't reminiscing or nothing that was in my past, you see what I was on probation. They put me on probation. I get out, go right back to this girl. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:01 Go right back to this girl. The day before, I'm supposed to, the day before. I'm supposed to get our probation right. I got to go to court the next day. I played like a league game with her and told her I was going out of town to my uncle house and I popped up. Seeing a little dude over there.

Starting point is 01:11:23 You feel what I'm saying? Cot of a little dude over there. I ain't no hater. Man, I'm talking about. Rea dear, bro. On Jesus, DeWan Christ. I looked at this little dude. I instantly knew she liked him.

Starting point is 01:11:37 smooth bro he was smooth then he had a candy red truck he had a candy red truck it was candy red and silver parked outside truck was clean i'm like i'd stop and looked at it for a little while before i went in the house i'm like man what that truck for you know what i said truck clean bro i get in the house i see him got long braids his hell look he black but his halle look kind of blonde haze of eyes he's He's smooth and out clean. He got on a jacket and you know what I'm looking at myself. I'm busted. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:12:13 I got on like a little thermal with some holes in it, my shoes dusting. You know, he, uh, he reached his hand out, shake my hand. You know what I'm like, boy, I don't want to shake your hand. You over here, extra cute. He goes extra cute. Handsome, nigger, I don't want to shake your hand. You ain't him a mile later this handsome. I don't want to shake your hand.

Starting point is 01:12:35 Real dead, bro. swear to God me and her sister ended up having like a little situation because her sister was like get out of here

Starting point is 01:12:45 you always coming over our house start trope he can be over here if he want to he they cousin and stay across the street

Starting point is 01:12:53 her boyfriend that was her boyfriend's friend so it was like two cousins and two friends feel what I'm saying so they didn't hook it up so I'm mad at everybody

Starting point is 01:13:03 because all y'all I just didn't have a part in this. Mad at all of them. You know what I'm saying? Oh. Me and her sister ended up having a little situation. She swung on me and I grabbed her. Like, hey, don't hit me.

Starting point is 01:13:18 But when I grabbed them, that was it. Like, oh, yeah, you're feeling to go to jail. Filling to go to jail. Call to police, bro. Police came, pick me up. I'm back in the stressing. I know I got to go to court the next day. and get our probation for this same thing.

Starting point is 01:13:38 They just pick me up for. That's probably the most hurt I ever been in my life, bro. I'm like, dang, people, you know, they're in the little thing. And I'm like, oh, yeah, bro, they're going to make you back there. Yeah. I'm like, a year? You know, I swear, bro. I'm in the hurt just thinking about, like, man.

Starting point is 01:13:56 A year, a year, you mean on probation for another year? No, they're going to, now I'm going to have to serve this time for this. Yeah, bro. So I'm in now. Man, man, I'm just, bro, I'm hurt. I'm praying. I'm praying. I'm hurt.

Starting point is 01:14:10 Out of no, well, I'm asking for my brother. You know, I'm asking, I'm like, man, too to the hell. My partner, the grade that said across the street. I thought you were good. You don't need your help from your brother. Hey, man, I'm going to tell you this, bro. I ain't in the aisle that gas. These people would be putting it out.

Starting point is 01:14:27 Yeah, I did it, stand it on my head. Man, I ain't fin to do none of that. Bro, I don't want to go to jail. I don't want to go in there. And I ain't got no problem with telling people that. You feel what I'm saying? I don't never try to do that, bro. Like, you feel me?

Starting point is 01:14:41 No matter who I'm around, I never put that persona on. You feel what I'm saying? I swear to God. Man, I'm asking for my partner that's like, no, he ain't here. He ain't at work tonight. I'm like, oh, out of nowhere, that boy popped up. He popped up. I love him because he had a serious talk with me.

Starting point is 01:15:06 You feel? me. Like, he ain't just doing that for me. He talked to me. Like, hey, bro, listen, bro. Man, you, you need to do better. But you can't keep doing, man. You need to change something. But you're supposed to be doing this. He laid it out for me. You know what I'm saying? He was like, look, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going you a whatever, whatever, whatever, you know. And I don't know how the law works, so I don't want to talk too much. but whatever happened I ended up going home

Starting point is 01:15:35 on a bun that night it was a different kind of bun it was way cheaper you know what I'm saying like I just paid a few dollars on my pocket I walked home feel what I'm saying I'm lying I'm lying

Starting point is 01:15:47 I walked out the door I'm walking and the police officer came and picked me up the same dude that that brought me there he told me he'll take me back to my car

Starting point is 01:15:59 feel what I'm saying I'm thinking Like, man, should I, you know, I'm kind of contemplating. This was so cold, bro. And I'll never forget this, bro. I'll never forget this, bro. We pulled back up at the house because my car's parked outside, you know, my girl house. We pulled back up at the house.

Starting point is 01:16:21 She had that clean jacket that I was telling you about, that fresh jacket he had on. She had it on, bro. They were standing outside and he outside, like giving her a pep talk. Like, we pulling up in the. police car and I see him at the end he was tall. You know, girl, look, I'm tired, dude, bro. He's tired with the eyes and the hell. He had to talk to him. He out there telling him, you know, like, I see him. I see his gestures. He's just like, so I'm knowing like he, you know, he piecing up. Bro, look. Police tell me like, hey, Jermaine, look, man,

Starting point is 01:16:57 get in your car and leave, okay? Just getting your car and leave. I'm thinking this is a white That's your white cop voice. Definitely the white cop voice. You feel what I'm saying? Man, I forgot that. I think his last night, Snelling. You feel what I'm saying? He's cool, though.

Starting point is 01:17:15 I don't cut his hell. You know, like when I be going to jail or whatever, they know I'm a barber, so they pull the clippers out. Hey, man, clutching hill. I'm cutting the whole 50 people hell. But yeah, but he was like, yeah, man, Germaine, just get in your car, man. Just get in your car.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Don't focus on it. Just leave, drive away. You know? So I can't, I get out the car. I'm looking like, I can't say nothing because the police watch it, but I want her to see my face. So I'm looking at her like, Jermaine, get in the car.

Starting point is 01:17:50 Bro, when I tell you, that was the longest drive ever driving away from them. You feel what I'm saying? Bro, debt, no cap. I got home, I'm pacing back and forth in the driveway. Back and forth in the driveway, I never forget. This lady, her name, Yolanda, bro. Like, she's like a popular, everybody, everybody knows. But she said, she's seen me walking, like, back and forth.

Starting point is 01:18:24 She was like, baby, you look like you just so hurt. I know God Syntho, because that's just how messed up I was. I was thinking about, like, what I was. I need to do, like how I need to handle these, you know. And it's all, like, crying and crazy stuff that I'm thinking about. You know what I'm saying? You know, all straight stupidity, me thinking about, like, what I need to do, you know. And she was like, babe, I'm going to tell you this.

Starting point is 01:18:48 You look hurt. She was like, I got hurt. And it led me to making some bad decisions. Me trying to fix my pain. She said, don't do nothing with your pain, but go to God. I left, went in the house, got on my knees. When I got on on my knees, I asked God that day, if I can't have this girl, I want my career. I want my dreams in the stuff that I'm desiring about as it pertains to my career.

Starting point is 01:19:24 Feel I'm saying? I really earnestly pray that prayer, bro. No cap. He gave it to me, bro. he gave it to me no cap not long after that I got my first chance

Starting point is 01:19:39 to be in the movie you feel what I'm saying not long after that not long after that situation happened I prayed that prayer no cap everybody in the you know everybody in the neighborhood

Starting point is 01:19:49 like bro Denzell in town you know like Densale Washington Hill you know what I'm saying I'm like dang everybody talking about oh Denzel shooting the movie they was at Grambling

Starting point is 01:20:00 Grambling State It's probably about an hour away from me. You know what I'm saying? So that's the talk. That's the big deal. I was working at you at support at the time. It's like a call center in Shreveport. I was going every day once I found out they was doing auditions in the AT&T building.

Starting point is 01:20:20 I was going every day. Mean woman up there, bro. Mean lady at the desk. It was like she was just tired of seeing just me. But I'm trying to be, you know, I'd have heard all these stories about. about people being consistent and all that. So I'm like, I'm gonna go every day. You know, I'm working on my story.

Starting point is 01:20:38 So I can be doing stuff like this saying, I went in there every day. I didn't take no for an answer. You know what I'm saying? So every day she was getting an attitude. Sir, there are no openings. We're not doing anything right now. We have your number.

Starting point is 01:20:52 We'll let you know. You know, people coming behind me, nice as ever to do. She's talking sweet to everybody else. Promise, bro, no game. On Jesus, but no, I cry. She's being mean, super mean. One day I went, this is what happened at work.

Starting point is 01:21:10 Lady behind me was crying. She was crying. I heard her crying. So my homeboy, Courtney Rawls, and shout out to him, he's doing major stuff too. My homeboy, Courtney Rawls, who gave me the job, he went back there. He was like, what's going on? You know, he was our team leader. And she was like, man, I cash my check.

Starting point is 01:21:31 on my break and lost $500. She was like, I lost all my money. That's my bill, money. That's my car note. And, you know, I'm just like, damn. Lost her money? Oh, she just lost it. She lost it.

Starting point is 01:21:43 She ain't know where it was. I just heard her behind me crying. You know what I'm saying? So at the time, I'm cutting hair and working at the, you know what I'm saying? So I got hair cutting money in my pocket. You know what I'm saying? This is what I did. for no blessing or not for no nothing.

Starting point is 01:22:04 I just felt sorry for her because she was an older lady. I turned around. I had $300 in my pocket. I said, look, I heard you said, you know, but you lost your check. I just want to, you know, give you this. I said, don't tell nobody, don't go announce to their work, don't make no big deal, just take it this for you. Because I heard you lost your money.

Starting point is 01:22:24 You know, I just wanted to help you. She started crying even louder. You know what I'm saying? She started crying even louder. You know, my homeboy, quote. and she came back there. And, you know, she told him like, yeah, he just gave me.

Starting point is 01:22:35 Boom, boom, boom. On my break, I said, I'm going to the AT&T building. You know, they're doing auditions for the great debaters. When I went this day, she went into this. It was a dude up there. As soon as I walked in, bro, he was like, hey, you're here to audition? And I'm like, yeah, he was like, hey, walk right through this door. Sweat of God, bro.

Starting point is 01:22:57 Went smooth. Walk back, though. They had two lines on the paper that you got. I said the lines, they just started fitting me for the clothes. Right then, they just started fitting me. So I met this casting director named Chris Gray. And he did like the principal casting for like hustle and flow and blade. And, you know, like he a big, he a big dude in Hollywood.

Starting point is 01:23:22 You know what I'm saying? But I met him. And so they gave me a date to be in the movie. You know, they gave me a date that was like, hey, we're going to. We're going to be filming this day. It was at Camp Minden, like an old, a old, what you call it? Military base. We was there.

Starting point is 01:23:44 So me having an understanding about how stuff worked, I knew it wasn't just going that smooth. Like, boom, I went to auditioning them, you know. And I'm going to be, yeah, trading lines with Denzel. Right. So I go on a barbershop. Shout out to my dog, Puncho. He really liked my dad. I called him Pops.

Starting point is 01:24:06 But shout out to Puncho. He gave me an opportunity to be in the barbershop. That's why I went broke. You know, I was telling the broke stores earlier. He changed it. He just came to my house one day. He was like, hey, man, I heard you could help. He laid me in the shop.

Starting point is 01:24:19 I made $400 the first day, which was like a billion of me at the time. Right. Couldn't believe it. You know what I'm saying? But I'm in the – I go to the shop. I'm like, hey, Puncho, bro. I'm feeling to be in a movie with Denzel. I never forget.

Starting point is 01:24:33 He had an old dude in his chair, and this dude was my partner. I used to love when he come in there. We used to run it. He started laughing so loud. Everybody else joined in. They was all that. Denzel, what was wrong with you? Punch him that boy, I've been smoking something.

Starting point is 01:24:48 Like, real deal. Swah. We get to the set that day. Bro, it's steaming hot. I don't think. I don't think. people understand about Louisiana heat, bro. Louisiana heat

Starting point is 01:25:03 gets in your nose, in your organs, in your heart, and your soul and stops stuff from functioning. That's how hot it be, bro. It's a difference between it just being hot,

Starting point is 01:25:15 and you got heat that feels like an object. You know, like somebody got a towel or something over your nose in your mouth. You can't breathe. You walk outside,

Starting point is 01:25:26 and the heat come up from the concrete. Take your breath away, bro. I feel like you're breathing out. Apple sauce. Bro. Man, bro. Come on, man. On Jesus,

Starting point is 01:25:33 the wine, Christ. Boy, that is the truth. Apple sauce. I swear. Man, Louis, I, bro. It's so hot out there.

Starting point is 01:25:43 It was so hot, people started leaving. You know, I'm knowing these people that want to live their dreams. People leaving. I'm seeing kids, mom and them pulling up.

Starting point is 01:25:52 They calling their mom. Come give me. I can't. You know, so it ain't even really that many of us out there. extras. So we're in the extras holding tent. And the movie is the great debaters. Yeah. We're in the

Starting point is 01:26:07 extras holding tent. They're getting the out of gather. You know, they're setting it up. But they had to set up the tent for the principal casking. You know what I'm saying? And if you ever be on the movie set, bro, that's how I go. You're extra. You live. You're a little bit of fish. You ain't no, you ain't no shark. You feel what I'm saying? They over there with the people that, you know what I'm saying? I ain't know that. I found that out too. Like, I'm like, oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:26:36 Because they get crafty. And, you know, they have, like, tables with snacks and stuff on it. And it's a food truck out there that I thought was for everybody. But it was just for the principal actors, you feel me? So I see them ordering food. I walk up there like, yeah, bro, let me get a, um, let me get a sausage, egg and cheese, toaster and some of that orange, they got the real oranges.

Starting point is 01:27:02 I'm like, yeah, that's... Instantly, dude named Calice. He wanted to... I think he wanted to the producers or something. He's like, Jermaine, hey, this is not for you. You got to go back over there with the extras. This is not for you.

Starting point is 01:27:16 And I'm like, dang, brusso, I can't get the... You know, I can't get my sausages and egg and cheese toast. He was like, no. Like, I ain't... I'm somebody. Just like that. He wasn't trying to sugarcoat it him then. He was like, hey, no. Get back over there. It's not for you.

Starting point is 01:27:30 Because I'm wondering, like, I'm ordering, and they, you know, they're looking around. Like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I might go back over there. The whole listen. I'm feeling played. I'm over there like, man, these acting stuff, I ain't really what it's all cracked out to be. I just try to order a sandwich. They eat people tripping.

Starting point is 01:27:47 It's hot out here. You know what I'm saying? At six, we got out there at six in the morning. At six o'clock that evening, that's when they finally called us to do something. in front of the camera. You know what I'm saying? There's no cap. I'm going to tell you how I moved.

Starting point is 01:28:04 This is how I moved. I'm going to Jesus, the one in Christ. They called us to this church. We walk over that to the church. I had been seeing them filming in the church all day. You know, we walk over that to this church. Denzel is in the church. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:28:21 This, this ironic. Desire in the church, I walk up to the front of the line. I'm first. God speak to me and tell me, go to the back. And you know, like most people don't be liking to say, like, God, spoke to me. They, you know, they'll say intuition or that's just my terminology, you know. So spoke to me and said, go to the back of the line. Last should be first.

Starting point is 01:28:47 You know what I'm saying? I got out of the line because the door that we were seeing Denzel and them through, I was standing right by it being at the front of the line. So it, like, looked kind of crazy when I walked to the back. It's like, oh, you're going to be like the last person to go. in, I walked to the back of the line, dude pop out the door that I didn't even see. That was right there that I was standing by. I was like, hey, you, come here.

Starting point is 01:29:13 Grab like three of us from the back of the line. Promise. If you watch Great Debaters, I'm sitting, and when they first come on, I'm sitting in the front. For us, Wooda Cpreaching. He, that line when he said, you got to do what you have to do in order to do what you want to do. I'm in the front of the line. I swear to God. Man, I felt so honored like getting little pieces of spit from far as wooded on my forehead.

Starting point is 01:29:38 You know what I said? Boy, I felt so under. I wasn't even tripping. I wouldn't wiping it off a nathan. Oh, Jesus, the one, and Christ. Man, look, I'm sitting in the front. That's how I got in the front because I'm the first person they grabbed. When they grabbed me, they bought us in the Denzel walk straight up to me.

Starting point is 01:29:54 No gas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I like how you guys you got that great suit on. Okay, you're going to be one of my freshmen. I'm going to use you to be one of my freshman. one of my freshmen at Wiley College. Got that nice modern lineup. You got a nice strong jaw structure.

Starting point is 01:30:08 He got his hand on my back. You know, he touched my back, bro. Sweat of God, I'm tripping. I'm tripping. I'm tripping like, that was enough for me right though. That was enough for my acting career. I could have went home, went to the hood. Joe stopped out there forever.

Starting point is 01:30:22 I could have been telling stories out there for 30 years. Boy, Denzel touched my back on Jesus, Jerome Christ. Man, look, I swear to God. He touched me, bro. I meant just really having a moment. You know what I'm saying? Serial, bro. I'm sicking to the other.

Starting point is 01:30:35 I'm, man, Danza will touch my back. I'm on my way. I'm on my way, bro. Like this high story. It's almost like he was pushing you forward. Right. You know, he gave me to, when Mufusso took Simba in the top of the, man, come on, man. This is it?

Starting point is 01:30:51 I'm on my way. He touched my back. Remember, Denzel touched my back. Don't forget that part of the story. Boom. we do a scene as far as Whitaker he's talking the devil came for me

Starting point is 01:31:09 while I'm sitting on that front row bro this ain't never happened to me in my life I'm sitting on the front row we taping every teeth in my mouth started stinging like a toothache on all my teeth bro it hurt it so bad

Starting point is 01:31:25 tears instantly started coming out my eyes and they think about that they might have thought I was doing some hell of an acting. My teeth was hurting so bad, tears was coming out of my eyes, bro. Swear. Lady walked over, one of the PAs was like, hey, what's going on? You're okay?

Starting point is 01:31:45 I'm like, yeah. I was like, nah, man, I got a toothache. You know what I'm saying? Somebody grabbed her, and she went to go do something, and they said action. So I'm sitting right there again. It was hurting so bad, I'm like, man, I got to go. I got to leave. I got to go.

Starting point is 01:32:01 was hurting that bad. When I got up to leave, that PA walked back in with the little white cup with some Tylenol in. She was like, hey, here. I sat back down, took the Tylenol, finished the scene. I swear to God. So this is how I'm always spiritually led. So it's over. I did my big win.

Starting point is 01:32:26 You know, I got in the movie. You know, so we leaving. We signing our pink slip to. to leave to so chris the casting director you know i did my homework on him and seen like oh this dude acting in shazan with shack you know what i'm saying like he a big he like a big dude i did my homework on so when i get up to turn my paper in i was like man um y'all ever come in the man's field just randomly ask them the the bible says you have not because you act not you feel what i'm saying how you going to make a shot that you never shoot got to

Starting point is 01:33:01 take the shot. You miss all the shots that you don't take. That's how life worked. That's automatically it meets because you didn't never take the shot. When I asked him when they was coming to Mansfield, he was like, hey dude, we're going to be in, and he's black. He's just, you know what I'm saying? He's like, hey, dude, we're going to be in Mansfield tomorrow. Be there. I say 7 o'clock. I'm like, bet. You know, promise to God, bro. I'm on one. All this stuff is going my way. I'm on my way. I'm the, you know, I'm the next one. bro, Denzel gave me

Starting point is 01:33:33 to move fast, his own. We get, I go out the, we get the Mansfield. This is just how God be working with me, bro.

Starting point is 01:33:42 All my teachers that know I was bad in school and, bro, I was so, I was so bad and, bro, I was so horrible

Starting point is 01:33:52 in school. Like, just wanted attention, bro. I, me and my, me and my, bro,

Starting point is 01:33:59 Quinn Nichols, you know, free, free of, Q kid. We used to come to school late because people was gone out the office and we'll take water, put it in cups

Starting point is 01:34:09 from the water phone, and pour it in the back of the computers. Every day. Big truck out there, you know, we'll come see the truck. You know, the people out there to fix the computers. We're laughing.

Starting point is 01:34:24 You know what I'm saying? These bad kids. Bro, horrible. All the bad stuff I used to do, bro. You know what I'm saying? I used to record myself, you know, spit in my hand, walking down the road, shaking everybody's hand at the day locker. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:34:39 Just spitting my hand and said, bro, I was bad, bro. So all my teachers and stuff out there, like the city out there, because we're filming the man's feeling they, why, with all these people watching, the word getting around like I hear people whispering like, oh, that's Jermaine. Germain out there with them. Why do you?

Starting point is 01:35:01 They never know that I'm in the movie. Nobody never know about Mendon and none of that. I never had a chance to tell them. We didn't have, this was in 2008. We didn't have, like, you know, like Facebook and all that stuff wasn't even, you know, it was like MySpace. You feel what I'm saying? And you got to take a picture on the camera and hook it up and do out, you know. So I ain't ever had a chance to tell nobody.

Starting point is 01:35:23 So people out there saying, like, that's Germain. I hear Ms. Youngblood, she was the secretary of the school. She was like, that's Germain Williams. You know what I'm saying? Oh, bro, I'm feeling like one. On Jesus, DeWan Christ, I'm feeling like him. Why this boy, Denzel, walk out, you know, they clap and getting a little standing ovation kind of. He walked dead up to me.

Starting point is 01:35:45 And this all might sound like it's kept. This, man, this is on Jesus, Benoit Christ, on Moses. He walked up to me and started fixing my tie. You know, it was a period piece from the 1920. So we had a... I've seen the movie, yeah. He fixed him out. Yeah, you got to, you know, this is how you tie-tie.

Starting point is 01:36:05 You're a man. You got to learn how to tie-to-all. All men should know how to tie-tie. You know, so I'm just like this. He fixing me in front of everybody. Bro, I don't even know how to feel about this right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? Bro, man, I'm talking about mine.

Starting point is 01:36:19 I'm smiling all the way from my kneecaps. Oh, Jesus Christ. Coming from where I came from, going through this childhood that I just explained to be having this moment, you know, for all of this to be a line. Oh, bro, he fixing my shirt. Now, this day right here, this is the highlight of the, this is why I'm telling the whole story, this day. Remember, I told you, when I came in, touched my back.

Starting point is 01:36:46 Right? They had a scene when Denzel get out of jail. That's what we were shooting this day. When Denzel getting out of jail, he walking down the street with Farras Woodaca and, you know, Farras Woodica and his lawyer and stuff. go watch the movie. I have an amazing cameo in this movie. I walked

Starting point is 01:37:06 dead in front of the camera on purpose, but I got a great cameo. You feel what I'm saying? This is where you could really see me in the movie. This picture was plastered everywhere from that scene. Was it on their website. It made

Starting point is 01:37:22 it to the Oprah Winfrey show. Quick sidebar. When we was in Mending that day, I forgot to say, Oprah pulled up Because you know She was one of the Producers

Starting point is 01:37:34 Me being greedy I'm in the tent In the lunch tent Eating Getting second Thirds Force and Philips They had stuff

Starting point is 01:37:46 I ain't even know What it was And now You know what I'm saying Different kind of chicken With different little sauce Green I'm in there trying

Starting point is 01:37:52 Everything You know what I'm saying I'm in there Slaughtering I walk out the tent Dude tell me Hey bro you missed it Oprah just pulled up in a limousine, bro.

Starting point is 01:38:03 She was shaking out hand and everything. I'm crushed. I'm like, man, I missed Oprah being greedy. You know what I'm saying? And I'm trying to feel my appetite. I love Oprah, bro. Man, I grew up watching. Oprah is where I learned the law of attraction.

Starting point is 01:38:24 You know, it's so ironic. I used what I seen Oprah Winfrey used, what she said she used to attract the color purple. That story that she told, you know, I used that for the great debaters. Same thing, and it happened. That's why I felt extra connected to her story. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:38:50 I missed her. I didn't get to see her. Monkey on my back forever, bro. One of my biggest regret, like resentment. this world you know what I'm saying okay boom this day we film it does they're getting out of jail they come out there and tell us hey denzel's getting out of jail we need you guys to be ecstatic all right we need you to clap it up we need to see happiness on your faces denzel's getting out we need to really feel like you know someone you love has gotten out of jail you know what I'm saying so so I'm like

Starting point is 01:39:27 okay, you know, I'm going to take this extra series. This is my moment. You know what I'm saying? This is my time. They did a little practice, and I'm standing by this old truck, Denzel walked through. I'm like, oh, okay, he's going to walk right through why I'm met. You know what I'm saying? Then I'm starting to think about how I'm going to make this movie successful.

Starting point is 01:39:46 You know what I'm saying? It's all on you. Right. Then I'm starting to get ideas like, you know, like this is, man, I got to come over. I got to take this movie to another level. I got to do some. in this moment that's going to make them see me. And if you were extra in a movie somewhere, don't do this, bro.

Starting point is 01:40:04 Don't do this. Don't try to say to the production. Don't do nothing extra. Do what they're telling you to do, bro. Don't, don't, you know. So he, they call action. He walked by me. I was being happy that he was out of jail.

Starting point is 01:40:20 I patted him on his back. No cap. And this ain't, I love Denzel Washington. This is in no type of way being derogatory towards him at all. I patted him on his back and stopped the world. Like the whole scene stopped. Like, as soon as I patted him on his back, you know how like on the movies when you do something and then you hit a and everybody just like, stop.

Starting point is 01:40:46 So I'm looking like, like, dang, you know, what I do? You know what I'm saying? They call action again. we do the scene again, right? We do the scene again. I don't touch them because I'm knowing like, okay, I messed up. Like, you know, shouldn't have did that. After this scene, after the next scene,

Starting point is 01:41:14 the same dude that told me I can't eat from the truck, Khalif, he walked up and he was like, Jermain, listen to me. Don't ever. And I mean ever touch Denzel. Never touch him. And I'm like, huh, but they told us to be happy. He was like, no, listen.

Starting point is 01:41:37 As a matter of fact, don't make eye contact with Denzel. Don't ever touch him. So like, you know, and like, DeZelle's such a good actor. It caught him off guard too. When I touched his back, he instantly like turned and turned it into like a little like, you know, nodded at me and kept the flow going. Feel I'm saying? But I knew I had messed up. Oh, I see them huddle up.

Starting point is 01:42:04 I see the, you know, the producers and stuff. You know, they huddling up. I'm over there like, dang, bro. I know I'm in trouble. Like, they're doing a little huddle. You know, they're over there looking at me. They're talking. Next thing, you know,

Starting point is 01:42:16 Caliace come back over there. I was like, Jermaine, guess what? We have a special position just for you. You know, you're like, you see that truck way back there? I want you to go stand by it. So this is how naive I was. I'm like, oh, I did something right. He said they got a special.

Starting point is 01:42:34 So I'm back there chilling, waiting on all the cameras and stuff to come move down here. This is my moment. You feel what I'm saying? Like, that's really what I'm thinking. Like, I'm like, dang. They wrapped.

Starting point is 01:42:46 Like, you know, like, hey, guys. We're there. So I'm down there. I'm like, they forgot. Like, they forgot about my scene. You know what I'm saying? It hit me like, oh, they took me out the scene. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:42:57 Like, they took me out to sea. They put me in a place where I can call no home. You know what I'm saying? So, bro, I'm really, like, sad, like feeling like, man, bro, I went too hard. I touched a dude on his back. But he touched me. He touched me on my back. It wasn't no problem.

Starting point is 01:43:18 When I first met him. He's Denzel Washington. And look, I understand that now. You feel what I'm saying? And this is the thing. all the touches on my back whatever bro he denzil man do you i ain't even trim i don't even really need this back you need it then zell you got it but but you know like like i was just really and i and like true be told he was really like mentor all of us like denzil wasn't

Starting point is 01:43:47 treating us like extras and he was the biggest start on the you know on the movie but he was letting us eat, what they was eating, he was giving us the drinks that they was drinking. Bro, like this dude, like he was real deal having one-on-one teaching sessions with extras. People he don't know from Adam. He's school, like, hey, I don't want to ever hear you use that language again. You hear what I'm telling you? If you want to be successful in this business, he doing that to people he don't know. That's why I love him to this day, bro.

Starting point is 01:44:21 Beautiful dude, bro. I learned so much. That has such a profound effect on my life. I'm still shooting movies to this day. I got bit with the bug, bro. Like, I've been doing movies every since. And it's because of him. Like, he has such a profound effect on all of us, bro.

Starting point is 01:44:42 Like, I still be talking to the dudes that we was extras in the movie. You know, we still hit each other up on, you know, social media. You know what I'm saying? Man, look, I might even do us a little documentary or something just to talk about our experiences. You know what I'm saying? But, man, we had so much fun doing it, bro. So, like, for me to do that in my hometown in front of, you know, the people I love was, you know, was crazy. After I prayed that prayer, when I was going through them situations and I'm in and out of jail, dealing with this situation, and I prayed to God, like, God, I want my dream.

Starting point is 01:45:20 I'm going to let this go. If you're trying to tell me I need to let this go, you know, I'm going to let this go. And it worked out. You feel what I'm saying? But, you know, shout out to Denzel, bro, because the stuff that he taught us and the experience that we got just being in his presence, bro. It turned all us into some type of movie something. Everybody's still doing something pertaining to film to this day. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:45:48 Because it wasn't just like, man, we, bro, we got some. so tight out there on a set of great debaters, we was like family. You know what I'm saying? And even when I wasn't working in front of the camera, Chris gave me a job as a casting assistant. You know what I'm saying? So I used to be going like the Walmart, like scouting people. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, man, you want to be in a movie?

Starting point is 01:46:09 Yeah, you know, signing people up. That was my job. You know what I'm saying? But due to the fact that the story was about the debate team at Wiley College that broke all these barriers, you feel? at a time when when it was like so much white supremacy and racism going on, you know. So we kind of like bonded over them stories because, you know, like, it's like a lynching scene and like in the lynching scene and great debaters, like the older women at work done

Starting point is 01:46:39 said, bro, like they was crying. Like, there was real deal. It was like different people and people having to get consoled and stuff like that. And it was just like we was all bunning. And shout out to Nate Parker. played low in the great debaters. He was in movies like pride. And he's doing a lot of independent films.

Starting point is 01:47:00 He did the Nat Turner story. But man, he was another dude that taught me a lot. And we, you know, I thought all movie sets was like that. When I had that experience, I thought all movie sets was like that. But like, after doing that movie, you know, I kind of figured out that like, like, you know, I kind I figured out that like, every movie don't have that budget. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so, like, the kind of stuff that we was eating

Starting point is 01:47:29 and that chicken I was telling you about, you know, that was probably like the last time I got a chance to, you know what I'm saying, to do something like that. For me saying, like, Denzel Washington had this profound effect on me. He affected my life in a certain type of way. Me being around all of them cameras and me seeing stuff and, you know, like, just being in the atmosphere. Chris, the casting director, Chris Gray, he was like, man, if you ever in Hollywood, you know,

Starting point is 01:47:58 pull up, man, you know, this, we do this every day in Hollywood, you know what I'm saying? He was like, you're one of the people that got talent and, you know, I feel like, blase, blazay. What did you get, sorry, what did you get paid as a, to be an extra? Isn't it like, it's still a few hundred, buy, still like three, four or five hundred bucks, right? I made on the Great Debaters probably a sum, a total of like $1,200. You know what I'm saying? How many days is that? I was, I did a lot of days, you know.

Starting point is 01:48:29 Yeah, I did a lot of days. I was making $58 a day. That's it? Yeah, I was making $58, listen. Boy, DeZell, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. No, listen, it was $58 a day. It was $58 for eight hours. after eight hours, it's overtime.

Starting point is 01:48:48 So that go up. You know what I'm saying? $58 a day and it goes up to what? So you get an extra six bucks? No, I think it's like, I think it's like, like if you divide like eight in the 58 or something, whatever that was, they start paying like, you know, like it was like it was like double time or like any, anytime you, anytime you, anytime you, anytime you don't think because you see people on TV that they got money. You feel I'm saying? Like, like, like, because I used to think like that. Like, every time you see somebody on TV, they're rich.

Starting point is 01:49:19 And people start thinking like that about me. You feel what I'm saying? Because it's a dude from my city named Fakir Brown. He's a cornerback. He played for the Saints and he had, you know, a great NFL career. But because of that Denzel stuff, people start throwing my name up in like, you know, like, he is a real millionaire. Like, he got millions of dollars.

Starting point is 01:49:41 You know, people start like, man, we need to just get people. people together in the city so they could start buying up some of these old properties like Germain and Ficke. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't, don't, I don't belong in no conversation with no, with no NFL do. You feel what I'm saying? I'm still eating the hot and spices and, you know, like trying to see if this one of the days I'm going to get cheese on it. You know what I'm saying? I know this is kind of like someone saying like the, some of the amazing podcast that are out there like Joe Rogan and Matt Cox and I was like no no serious bro bro.

Starting point is 01:50:18 No, no listen you're one of them ones bro. It's you and Joe Rogan and the other dude but you bro. I don't know who the other dude is. Nah, I'm saying it's like four or five of y'all. You know we might not know y'all name. Listen, I'm not in the top 100 of those guys. No, dude, yes you is bro. I ain't going to need let you do that to yourself, man.

Starting point is 01:50:36 I'm Jesus Jerome Christ. You're one of them people bro. Like, like man, hey man, listen. Send down with you from one. where I come from, we made it. When people see me, bro, we made it. When people see me talking to you, the message that is going to send to their brain, like, oh, yeah, he's doing it.

Starting point is 01:50:54 Like, clutch, he out of here, bro. He's, he, he, he's up excellent. He's doing something, you know, he was sitting down, he was talking to the dude that being on the podcast. You know, bro, that's big, bro. Yeah, man, you want a Joe Rogan them, bro. You wanted them. Let's come on.

Starting point is 01:51:10 What's going on? Let's keep going. This is too much. I ain't going to let you play with yourself like that, man. I got to keep it real with you, bro. I'm going to tell you what the, from our standpoint, what the people see, you know, and I know you know, you're chilling. You're a humble dude.

Starting point is 01:51:26 You know what I'm saying? You want to be cool and just humble and lay back. Bro, I'm going to let you know, bro. You're one of the ones, bro. I ain't going to do that. But look, but what I was saying about, I was, I was, Chris told me. Okay. Like, man, listen, if you ever in L.A., I don't know why he said that.

Starting point is 01:51:48 Like, you know, like, I ain't serious about my acting career and this man to touch my back. You know what I'm saying? Bro, I'm serious about, as soon as he said that after the movie was over, you know what I'm saying. Packed up the car. Got on the Greyhound. I called him when I got to L.A. I was like, hey, man, I'm in Los Angeles. He was like, wait, what?

Starting point is 01:52:10 Who is this? Chris Gray. No, I'm saying. Did he say he, who is this? How'd you get this number? Right. He was like, dude, dude, what? I was like, yeah, man, I'm in L.A.

Starting point is 01:52:22 I got to respect them, though, bro. I got to respect them because I know they caught him off guard. You feel what I'm saying? I know they caught him off guard. He gathered himself because I could tell by his response like he was surprised. Like, dang, he probably was just doing some Hollywood talk. Hey, man, if you ever in L.A., boy, I'm going to pull up on you on Jesus or on Christ. don't even play with me like that

Starting point is 01:52:43 because I'm coming today for real. So he, I called him. He was like, man, where you at? Boom, he sucked the car to come pick me up. Rich for real. Like, this, this, the driver can't get me, man. This rich for real. And I'm down there on Skid Row.

Starting point is 01:53:02 Like, I don't know if it's like these Skid Row, but I'm down there with the homeless people. I ain't fit for that, bro. Like I'm from the country, my heart, you know, sensitive. And everybody that told me a story, I gave him some of my $8. You know what I'm saying? And they looking like they didn't hit the lottery. Like, they instantly figured out like, oh, he's green.

Starting point is 01:53:26 You know what I'm saying? He's giving him $7.8. Bro, them dudes in L.A., them homeless people in L.A., they differ. The stories they got, man, they're going to touch your heart. Don't pay them no attention. If you listen, you're coming out your pocket. Bro, dude ran up on me. Dude was like, man, I just need some money to give me some old pants, bro.

Starting point is 01:53:47 I got a bladder problem and I got this bag and my bag busts all over my pants, bro. I don't want to walk around like this. Piss all over me. Man, I just need some pants. Man, I got him a dub. You know what I'm saying? Man, here you go, bro. Go get you some old pants.

Starting point is 01:54:04 You know what I'm saying? Hurt my feelings, bro, when I seen him doing to somebody else. You know what I'm saying? It hurt my feelings, bro. I'm really like, man. This man got me. Like, this man real deal, you know. But swear to God, bro.

Starting point is 01:54:16 So them people in L.A. different, bro. He came and picked me up. He's a son of driver to pick me up. He let me happen. He's staying in West Hollywood. He neighbors with, like, Mel Gibson and Halle Berry. And, bro, I seen Mel Gibson walking his dog. You know what I'm sitting on the porch.

Starting point is 01:54:37 I seen Mel Gibson walking his dog on to my real little this before. Little Sharks was popular. You know what I'm saying? He had the real little shorts on, the rich people dog and everything. I'm sitting on the poor tripping. Excuse me. But I'm sitting on the poor tripping like, man, I'm calling home like, bro. Guess who I just seen, bro.

Starting point is 01:54:56 Mel Gibson walking his dog. I'm seeing Whiz. And at the time, like, Wizz and Amber Rose, they walking through, like, it's real famous stuff going on in, you know, in West Hollywood, bro. Like, you feel me? So he was. working on seven pounds at the time. So I got a chance to work with Will Smith right after I work with Denzel Washington. Feel what I'm saying? That's how, bro, that's how God lining it up for me. You know what I'm saying? So I got a chance to meet Whittie Harrison was crazy, bro. I was in

Starting point is 01:55:27 that scene, even though you can't see me. And the extra is he to miss. You know, you might get in and you might not get seen. You feel I'm saying? But I was sitting right behind Woody Harrison. He played like a blind man in the movie. Yeah, yeah. So I got a chance. to meet him, talk to him, I got a chance to meet Will Smith. But I, and I just want to say this too, but California, you know, like Southern hospitality is a real thing. You feel what I'm saying? Like, like, California is a completely different place.

Starting point is 01:55:58 You feel me? I went out there. We on set, right? So we waiting for, I think Will was supposed to be coming and this and that, and we was all just waiting. And, um, dude was like, hey, bro, you got changed for a dollar. And I'm like, yeah, go in my pocket. I gave him the change.

Starting point is 01:56:19 And he tried to give me the dollar. And I was like, nah, bro, you're good. Keep the dollar. Right then, everybody like, where are you from? And I'm like, I'm from Louisiana. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's from the sticks. Bro, people don't do that out here.

Starting point is 01:56:36 We don't, they don't get nobody no dollar, man. We don't get nobody nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody in there like, yeah, bro, no, you got to be from somewhere else. Nobody here ain't, man, ain't getting you a quarter. You know what I'm saying? Sweater God. And I'm like, dang, brad really like that.

Starting point is 01:56:52 But the more I stayed in California, the more I seen like their attitude was like every man for their self. They ain't playing all that generous. I'm going to, you know, like, where I'm from, man, I go to everybody, everybody house on my block in my neighborhood and eat. You know, they cook. It ain't even no question. I don't even got to ask. Feel what I'm saying? I walked straight up in their house.

Starting point is 01:57:14 Hey man, fix me some of this. We can fix it yourself. California, man, I don't think that's going like that, bro. You feel what I'm saying? It ain't none of that. You know, that's Southern. And I learned that from being in L.A. Like, bro, that's from L.A. and being in the South, it's totally different, bro.

Starting point is 01:57:32 The people mindset is, you know, people's mindset is different. But I'm going to say this, though, they're all hustlers, though. In California, everybody hustling. You walk out of a restaurant. Somebody selling you two picks. Somebody selling you napkins. They wiping your windows. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:57:47 Like that hustler mentality is there. But Chris invited me there. I got a chance to work with Will Smith on seven pounds. And I left California. The beauty about that is he used to let me shadow people. Like Chris used to send me to sit. He was like, hey, who you want to? want to watch the day. Like, man, I want to see what the cameraman doing. He'll send me the set.

Starting point is 01:58:15 Let me shout out the cameraman. Let me shout out the producer, the director, the second AD. So I learned all of these positions. Now I know how to put a movie together. You feel me? Because I know what everybody's job is. I know what everybody do. I hung with the editor. I did this, did that. So when I get home, I start producing a little web series, a little TV show called Phil City because I'm from Mansfield so I kind of just gave it a name because I always wanted us to be

Starting point is 01:58:46 like not consider the town but you know the population like $25, you know what I'm saying it's so small we ain't got no Burger King we ain't got no Taco Bell you know like that's a, bro that's a big deal

Starting point is 01:58:59 why I'm from you know what I'm saying somebody can post on Facebook man this Taco Bell was good go check the comments people just oh I hate you why you ain't bring me none you know what I'm saying I'm jealous. I wanted a, you know, bro, that's a big deal.

Starting point is 01:59:13 You feel what I'm saying? Like, our mall is Walmart where I'm from. People put on their good clothes and go pull up at Walmart. That's where it's going down. That's what everybody is. You know what I'm saying? And when you're from the country, bro, you just learn how to have a different appreciation for stuff that people in the city take for granted.

Starting point is 01:59:32 You know what I'm saying? Restaurants and stuff, you know, malls and stuff. But that's what my show is about. You put together a series. What's the series about? Living in the country. Just that? Life in the country.

Starting point is 01:59:47 As opposed to how things go in the city. Okay. Feel I'm saying? Sound like it's kind of like a topic, but you'll be surprised to know how intrigued, like rich people and, you know, other people is with the way we live in the country. You feel?

Starting point is 02:00:06 I'm saying? I always thought it was special. I know nobody ain't doing this. You feel me? I know nobody don't go in the store and order chicken and put cheese on it and we all outside eating chicken and cheese, you know, after the club. It's 15 people out here eating chicken and cheese.

Starting point is 02:00:22 Cheese falling in there while we're outside eating. You feel, I'm saying? Stuff like that, you know, like on a random day, people just barbecue. It might not even have no pick. We probably dug a hole or something and rigged it up, you know. So I just, I just, I just wanted to exploit that, you know.

Starting point is 02:00:38 Right. What, I'm sorry. How many episodes? Like, maybe you, how, is it still going? No, this is what, this is what I did, right? From that, I did like, I think I was on, like, episode 14. You feel what I'm saying? And I was feeling like people weren't really interested in it because it was like a

Starting point is 02:00:59 phenomenon when it first dropped because nobody knew how to edit and put videos together at the time when I did it. It was like, you know, you didn't really see videos on Facebook and stuff like that. Yeah, this is, this is at least the uploads on YouTube. The first episodes I'm seeing are 14 years ago. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I was, like, you're getting a YouTube.

Starting point is 02:01:19 Okay. I was a baby. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? I was a baby. YouTube was a baby. Right. You feel me?

Starting point is 02:01:24 I was a baby doing this stuff. So I was doing, I was doing, I was doing, uh, Phil City. And, uh, this dude hit me up in my inboxing was like, Man, look, I love the show and, you know, keep going, dreams do come true. I'm thinking somebody, like, pranking me. You feel what I'm saying? Like, he was, like, you know, telling me who he was. And a guy by the name of Troy Mosley, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:01:50 So, when I went to his page, I'm seeing him in, like, George Lopez. And, you know, people like, hey, Troy, great job with the Grammys. Great job with the BETT Awards. And I'm like, dang, this dude, he really produced TV shows. shows. You feel what I'm saying? So I instantly hit them back. Like, hey, bro, I appreciate it, bro. Anytime you got an opportunity, this only time this ever happened to me like this. Usually when people do that, they reach out. It don't never be nothing behind their words, really. Yeah, yeah. You feel me? I talked to this dude this day, and he told me that he liked

Starting point is 02:02:27 the show and that I was talented and I should keep going. Four days later, I was on a flight to Dallas. working on a show that he was producing called TD Jakes' 35th anniversary. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, it was that in the, it's another show called the McDonald's 365 awards. You know what I'm saying? So that's what you do. Like he produced like award shows, TV shows. Like he produced like, you know, like BET used to have like the top 10, the hottest top 10, this and that.

Starting point is 02:03:05 You know, so he was like, he was one of the people that, like, spearheaded that, those type of shows, you know. And, um, I get the Dallas, same thing. Homeless people. That's who I ran into first. Back out there, getting the money and, you know what I'm saying? Boom. So the show was at the opera house, right? So it was this dude name they called Uncle Run.

Starting point is 02:03:31 He liked this Jewish dude. Like, he, you know, he's a big doll. He got all the money. And he is kind of like the producer of the show. And, you know, they're telling me like, yeah, bro, Uncle Run is he one of the ones. He can get in their your career and, you know, like this and that. So I was doing so many different jobs on the show. Troy started me at the bottom because he wanted me to learn the totality of how to put a show together.

Starting point is 02:03:53 Right. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, dang, bro, this dude really was serious about, like, helping me or, like, putting me on. So all I know is Tyler Perry and Oprah gonna beat up. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just trying to bump into them because you know this is my dream, whatever, whatever. So I maneuver my way into going to fix up Tyler Perry's dressing room. Feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:04:21 So I'm the person that's putting his chairs out and the snacks that he like. And, you know, so boom, I'm not doing that. And I'm really in there like wasting time because I want him to come in there. Like you feel, I'm saying? So I could like try to, you know, like spark off a conversation or something. So while I'm in Tyler Perry and Jersen room prolonging it, setting up time, I look up on the monitor and I see Oprah on stage. This is why it was a shock to me. The dude, Uncle Run, you know, the OG Jewish.

Starting point is 02:04:58 dude like without all the money, he's white on white rose and everything, he'd be, you know. But he told me that, uh, she probably wouldn't coming. He was like, you know, there's Oprah, man. She, you know, she might show up. She might not. She, you know, yeah. She got a million things going on. So I kind of wouldn't expecting to see her because I'm like, okay, he wouldn't know.

Starting point is 02:05:22 This dude would know. I looked up on the thing. I seen it. I was like, oh, she came. Boom. I grabbed my camera and turned it on. It's on 1%. The light blinking.

Starting point is 02:05:35 You know what I'm saying? No phone, no nothing. I'm like, bang, Oprah on this stage. And my camera on 1%, I grabbed my camera, I run to the stage, okay? Troy just had gave me this speech about how easily you can get, like, sued and cost of production, all this money. with making mistakes on these shows. So he was like, look, man, you got to, you know, like keep your nose clean.

Starting point is 02:06:03 You can't be, you know, you can't do this and you can't do that. Because one simple mistake, you know, now we got to shoot over. We got to shoot over and we got to pay all these people there so you can't afford to. So boom, I get on, I, not only do I run to the stage, I get up on the stage because I'm trying to increase my chances of meeting Oprah, right? So boom, Oprah on the stage. she giving her little speech. Mind you, it was a show for TDJ. So everybody that was kind of showing him, like, some appreciation and, you know,

Starting point is 02:06:33 saying some good words about him and whatnot. So, and it's pictures of everything that I'm saying. You feel what I'm saying? You could go see her on stage with the orange dress on at the opera house in Dallas. You know, so while she talking, I got comfortable and leaned on a chest. The chest is like a box that they store the cables in, you know, from all the different things that they plug up on stage. I thought the box was stable, but the box had wheels. So when I leaned on it, it rolled.

Starting point is 02:07:10 Brum, brum, brum, brum, brum, boom, brum. You know, like, made this noise. So everybody, like, turned around and looked, and she looked. And that's when it hit my head, like, oh, Troy just told me a mistake. Can make, bro, I'm sweating bullets, bro. Now, I don't even want to see Oprah no more. I want to run off stage. Like, right after she give her a speech and they clap, I'm going to disappear.

Starting point is 02:07:32 That's what I'm thinking. I don't know how this happened. She gave her speech. Everybody clapped. I ran off stage. I don't know how this happened. I ran into her and what I think was maybe like her assistant or somebody that was, that started talking to me about what I had just done.

Starting point is 02:07:58 You feel what I'm saying? I seen Oprah and I was like, like, bro, this is probably the most starstruck I ever been in life. Like, I seen Oprah and I just like real deal, melt it. But I just was like, like, man, you look, you're the best, bro. Like, you're the greatest. Thank you. And she grabbed, no cap, bro, no gas on Jesus, Lorenzo.

Starting point is 02:08:24 Oh, Christ, she grabbed my hand and was like, it's fine. You know, it's okay. Everything is going to be okay. You good. Holding my hand, bro. Oprah held my hand on my Lord and Savior. Oprah held my hand, bro. And when she grabbed my hand, I tripped out again.

Starting point is 02:08:43 Like when she grabbed my hand, I was like, I tripped out again. She grabbed my hand. I tripped out. She grabbed it again. And like, you're good. You're going to be okay. Shook my hand, bro. And I still, I still remember, like, the smell of this, like, this fragrance, this fragrance that she had on, bro, was, like, amazing.

Starting point is 02:09:07 And I was, I was looking at her hand like, like, dang, Oprah got regular hands. They look like mine. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, that her fingers look just like mine. Like, you know what I'm saying? Man hands. No, no, no, she don't. Nah, she, man, look.

Starting point is 02:09:23 No, no, no. No disrespect, but like, and I never, you know, like, I never view her like that from the TV show and stuff, but, man, Oprah fine, bro. Like, when I see her in real life, she got a really nice, curvy, you know, body. And I, you know, I like curves, you feel what I'm saying? But, like, and no disrespect, because I wasn't looking at her like that. Like, she's one of my idols. I ain't trying to, you know, I don't mean no disrespect.

Starting point is 02:09:47 But that woman looked nice. Her body is like proportionate and she got a nice shape. You know what I'm saying? Call me off guard. Not that I was expecting anything different, but that's one of the things. I was looking like, dang, bro, bro. You know, she's straight.

Starting point is 02:10:04 You know what I'm saying? So this the kin part. After that, I gave my camera to the assistant. It's blinking and the battery about to die. So I'm just hoping that I get this picture, bro. Like this is like Oprah right here. hoping that I get this picture. I see the flash go off.

Starting point is 02:10:26 And I'm like, oh, I got it. Boom. Now I'm worried about if it's blueria, you know, because I know this woman probably don't know how to work this camera. You know what I'm saying? So I run back into like the little break room and I'm looking at the picture, A1. Beautiful, A1.

Starting point is 02:10:47 I'm in there like real deal having a moment, bro. Like, for real, like tears in my eyes. Like, I'm like, bro. dang like knowing knowing the fact that I've seen celebrities you know like a a list and saying that they never met Oprah and they wanted to meet Oprah and the fact that like I'm standing next to the richest woman that's my color like my ethnicity the richest black lady in the world and I got one dime in my pocket Like 10 cents

Starting point is 02:11:22 That's all the money I had Bro when I was standing next to Oprah That's all the money I swear to God I got the 10 cent because I found it I picked it up I seen the dime on the floor I picked the dime on the floor

Starting point is 02:11:32 I put it in my pocket I swear to God Me in that moment I was thinking about like I'm happy that God put me in a position to meet Oprah while I was broke

Starting point is 02:11:44 because if if it wouldn't have happened that way I would have accredited that to whatever I had or whatever status I had, but now he gets out of glory. How could I do it? I know it wasn't me at that point. I'm broke, busted and disgusted, barely made it.

Starting point is 02:12:01 He on his plane, all this, you know, I'm happy that happened like that. That was God showing me like, you don't need money, you need me. You know what I'm saying? So with that, bro, it was, it meant so, it meant so much to me for so many different reasons. I'm sitting in the room. mind you Oprah here Dallas media

Starting point is 02:12:23 is flooding the building all the news sites and all you see is cameras and lights and microphones everywhere they came to get Oprah swear to on Jesus

Starting point is 02:12:37 Duane Christ I'm sitting in the I heard a lady was like where's Oprah where does she go I seen the way it passed by the door cameras and lights everybody trying to find her

Starting point is 02:12:48 they're trying to locate her. So now I'm sitting back in that like, dang, I hope I didn't, you know, like, they're looking for Oprah. This woman busts up and say, it was this life skin kid. He just, like, came out of nowhere. She took a picture with him and talked to him, and then she disappeared. And I heard a dude was like, who? Who was the kid?

Starting point is 02:13:09 Who it wasn't? And I'm like, oh, bro, like, I'm in trouble. So then, boom, I go hide my camera and, you know, go took it up under the thing, so I ain't saying nothing. it's ready to like flex on everybody but when I found that I sold them to tell my I'm looking all these media people all these news people they mad they you know what I'm saying I'm hearing them on the phone yeah you know Oprah she disappeared they said she was talking to something god further showing me the favor on my life how could I how could I pull this off and these

Starting point is 02:13:37 people with these you know I got this little cheap power shot little cannon power shot these people got big stupid cameras that you got a toe on your shoulders and you know what I'm saying so So we on the van, we driving back on the van, and it's full of people that put these shows together. You know, the writer and the producer, we all on the van headed back to the hotel. First time I stayed in the Omni, too. Like, I didn't want to touch anything. I didn't want to. It was just looking too expensive.

Starting point is 02:14:06 Like, I was just feeling like, man, I don't, I need to be, like, at the holiday end or something so I can lay down. I don't want to lay down on these people nice. It just looked stuff in there. It looked like it can get broken. and it costs a lot of money. You know, I had self-esteem issues then, you feel what I'm saying? Which I still suffer from now. You know, when you come from the environment I come from,

Starting point is 02:14:27 you just kind of like always finding a reason to throw yourself in the trash because that's where you feel like you belong. And when somebody trying to pull you up, you will self-sabotage so easy. I do it so much. I do it so much. Soon as something great happened, I talk myself out of it. You know what I'm saying? So, boom.

Starting point is 02:14:44 They're on the van. Like, they call at home, babe, I've seen Oprah. She was standing two feet next to me. Oh, she read my script that I wrote. Oprah did this and that. I busts out the camera. Like, oh, yeah. Boom.

Starting point is 02:14:56 Whole van get quiet. Everybody get quiet. They're looking like, when this happened? Like, what you was? You feel what I'm saying? I'm the only person that got a picture with her. If you look online, I'm the only person that got a picture with her that day. Feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:15:12 Everybody was quiet on the van. Like, now they're looking at me like I'm fooled. Like, they're looking at me like, the clean-up dude, the little janitor boy, the driver, how you get a picture with Oprah? God's that is showing me, you feel what I'm saying? I finally got the monkey off my back. You feel me? Remember, I was doing the great debaters and Oprah showed up while I was eating and I didn't get a chance to meet her.

Starting point is 02:15:38 And that was always something I regretted, something that just pained me. but it came back full circle and I still got the meter like in another setting and it was more exclusive so God is good me working with Troy and him providing that opportunity for me

Starting point is 02:16:01 with a man I went to work with BET you know like that was always my dream I grew up watching BET you know so the fact that like I was working for them man my whole city was excited everybody was supporting me. It was just like a great time.

Starting point is 02:16:17 You know what I'm saying? So from me working with Troy and doing these different TV shows for different networks, I met this lady called Jennifer, Troy's friend. They went to Southern and Baton Rouge together. You know, they took some of the same classes. Jennifer called me, you know, Troy introduced us, and she called me and she was like, I need you to shoot some behind the scenes footage for this movie.

Starting point is 02:16:49 It's a movie called At Mammu's Feet that starred Tommy Ford, Michael Keith from 112. It was a nice little cast, so I was excited. Like, that was big to me. One of the guys didn't end up, his plane didn't land, or something didn't happen, and I ended up having to read his part. So I got an actual point. part in the movie. And Gail Bean, who is like going crazy right now, like she's like a huge

Starting point is 02:17:19 stars it everywhere. She ain't Snowfall. She ain't Pea Valley. They just did a little spin-off with her in Snowfall. She didn't a lot of stuff. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Gil Beane. But she played my girlfriend in this movie. I met a guy there named Carl from Atlanta on that set. He's a movie director. He asked me that I want to come to Atlanta and shoot this thing that he does with Cam Newton. You know, little backstory on that. No gas. It's the truth on Jesus of hell Christ.

Starting point is 02:17:55 Me and my homeboat was watching the championship game. It was the, I think it was the 49ers versus the Panthers. I think that's what the game was. I'm the biggest Cam Newton fan in the world. world. I'm the biggest, because Cam Newton is what I wanted to physically be. You know, I wanted to be six, six, this tall and can run it forth. Like, he is everything I wanted to be as an athlete. Matter of fact, that's what helped me give up my NFL dreams. Like, Cam Newton made it. I'm good. Like, that's what I wanted to be. He's doing it. He playing the position. Like, that's what I was satisfied with that.

Starting point is 02:18:37 That's just how much of a fan I was. You feel what I'm saying? I was cool. I was cool. I was cool with that. I'm always saying I pray for something. You're going to hear me say that in a lot. Me and my bro, Queen Knuckles, we was watching the game. I said, bro, why am I here in Mansfield? And this little small country town.

Starting point is 02:18:55 Why can't I be somewhere like doing something like filming Cam Newton? You have not because you ask not. When that thought hit my mind, I got on my knees right there. While we was watching the game, I got on my knees and I said it out loud. I said, God, I want to work with Cam New. Please bless me with that opportunity. I got up and started back watching the game. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:19:14 Carl asked me, did I want to come to Atlanta to shoot this thing with Cam Newton, right? We there, I got a chance to meet him. Crazy, we're a crazy story with Cam. I'm used to doing sports videography a certain way. I'm used to doing it a certain way. So it's all kind of like cinematic and slow and poetic and that's how I'm used to doing it. So the first day, that's how I filmed it. So they showed it to him.

Starting point is 02:19:45 You know, we was in like the little room and they showed it to him. So I'm waiting on the response. Like, oh, yeah, bro, that's great, bro. He got up and said like, bro, what is this? This trash. Who did this? So, you know, everybody looked at me. I took the lick, though.

Starting point is 02:20:02 I stood up and like, hey, bro, that was me. That's my idea. I did the footage, all that, boom, boom. Made people laugh. at how, you know, how easily I took my lick. So after that, he was like, yeah, bro, sports videography works like this. You know, he was like, man, put me some rich on my coin and some of these people in that. Because I had the, I had, uh, um, was queen, we will, we will rock you.

Starting point is 02:20:28 You know, that's what I had in the, we are the champions. That was the music I had, you feel me. So he was like, bro, what is, man, put me some, you know, some rich on the coin. Boom, boom. We got cool after that. You know, me and him start vibing after that. You know what I'm saying? So, I was working with Cam Newton.

Starting point is 02:20:47 It was so hot. I had some fake polo boots on. They was fake. It's like the UPSA. You know, it's like it looked like there's too many dudes on the horse. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, you might don't know nothing about that level of brokenness. But I had them shoes on.

Starting point is 02:21:05 And it was so hot, bro. Like, they was melting to my feet. That's how I know they was fake. Because the sun had my feet on fire. So I was like, boom, when we go in today from filming, I'm going to go get me some shoes at the Kmart across from the hotel. I go get the shoes, but they have strings in them. It was just like the little sliding shoes. At the time, Kevin Gates was popping with the phrase, I don't get tired.

Starting point is 02:21:31 So I was like, oh, you can't tie the shoes. So I got on the internet. I'm like, hey, I look, I got these new Kevin Gates shoes. No strings. They don't get tired. You know, people thought it was funny. Did numbers on Vine and, you know, stuff like that. My partner hit me, he was like, hey, bro, you should say that in his voice.

Starting point is 02:21:49 You know what I'm saying? My partner, Black Jesus. He hit me up. He was like, man, you should say that in his voice and put the stuff on your face. Did you say, Black Jesus? Yeah, that's his name, Black Jesus. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for real.

Starting point is 02:22:03 He, he's an herbal doctor. You know what I'm saying? He do herbs and stuff. But he told me like, man, you should do this. Boom. So I go get a Sharpie, draw the tattoos on my face, get the shoes. Now I say it in his voice, man, yeah, you know, I got these new Kevin Gates shoes that don't get tired. You know, I don't get tired.

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Starting point is 02:23:37 Cox at checkout. Again, that's ghostbed.com slash Cox with the code Cox at the checkout to save a whopping 50% off sitewide. I wake up my life never been the same after that. After I did that video, my life has never been the same. I woke up, I thought my phone was broke. I was turning it on and off because I'm thinking like something wrong with my screen, but it was notifications. Like just running like a river. It just wouldn't stop. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:24:06 So I'm seeing I got all these missed calls I started answering the phone Everybody like hey bro You're on World Star Bro you viral Chris Brown just posted you Such and such just like Went crazy bro

Starting point is 02:24:20 At this I didn't even know I was viral I didn't know what viral was You feel I'm saying I know that I had like 3,000 followers and now I got like 17K so I'm cool with that You feel I'm saying

Starting point is 02:24:33 I'm still just trying to do my music and, you know, rap and that's what I was focused on. Soldier Boy, Soldier Boy, manager, I think, called me and, like, schooled me on what's viral was. So he was like, look, brus, soldier wanted me let you know this is what's going on with you right now. Probably the most helpful information I ever received. I don't know why, like, Soldier Boy wanted to. give me that knowledge or whatever,

Starting point is 02:25:08 but that's what sought me on the right path because I didn't know what to do with that. I got a picture of me and Soldier Boy on the couch, me, Soldier Boy and Bobby Shmurter on the couch. We was in, live in Miami. But that dude invited me to, he was like, hey, man, he having his birthday party. They called him Dre.

Starting point is 02:25:27 He was like, yeah, bro, Drey having his party. Such and such, pull up. I was in Atlanta. Drove all the way from Atlanta to Miami, me, I think it was, we at the Fountain Blue. You know what I'm saying? I got a chance to meet them. I got pictures.

Starting point is 02:25:40 You know what I got a chance to meet Soulja, boy. Big fan, bro. So, you know, that meant a lot. And after that, bro, I just started going crazy. So, you know, they was telling me like, bro, you got to do more videos. So I just started doing Kevin Gates, everything. Numbers just going up, going crazy. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:26:04 Me not realizing like, like, and it's so crazy that, it's so crazy how I met Kevin Gates. I mean, how I came to know about him. I was doing a documentary. I was filming a documentary called Who's Your Favorite rapper, Favorite rapper? I was in Baton. So I'm just interviewing random people. Hey, bro, who your favorite rapper is? Everybody saying, hey, man, Gates is the truth.

Starting point is 02:26:27 Kevin Gates. Everybody, you know, I interview Big Head of Dom, Dr. Heath. Man, Gates, man, Kevin Gates is true. So I'm like, man, who is? It's Kevin Gates. My homeboy at Baby Savage, which is like, he liked one of the biggest moguls other than like Master P and Baby to come from Louisiana. But he's just from North Louisiana.

Starting point is 02:26:47 You know, it's kind of hard because they dominate the state. You know, if you ain't from New Orleans or Banerud, you're going to have to put ten times more work in it. But man, he got like, he didn't, you know, sold all these records and he got like skyscrapers, like buildings in Shreveport. Feel what I'm saying? like actual buildings that he owned that he built from the ground up you feel what I'm saying all from money he's making out the music industry you feel what I'm saying and I mean like like

Starting point is 02:27:12 he's like a guy that's like in his own lane and he just not concerned with telling his story he cool with the fact that he drive rose versus and he got all his money and you feel me he cool with that you know what I'm saying he humble like you because I'm trying to tell you you you know like like you wanted Joe Rogan and you think I'm true but um but uh he he he he was like Yeah, bro, Gates is my favorite rapper. Kevin Gates is the most talented. Man, him was arguing. Man, we argued for five hours about who was better out of Kevin Gates and Lil Wayne.

Starting point is 02:27:44 You feel what I'm saying? And I'm just like, bro, I ain't know. He was like, man, this dude the most talented dude ever. It'll never be another rapper in history like Kevin Gates. The more I started listening to him and I start listening to him and I start listening to his wordplay, you know, you don't really get that in the South. You don't really get that from Southern rappers, but he was focused on his wordplay. Boom. So he ended up getting out of jail that first time. And I snuck on stage. I painted

Starting point is 02:28:14 BWA on my shirt. You know, I painted it. I hand painted it. I got pictures. I made my necklace, right? I had like can tops and I used a quarter for my charm and I spray painted it gold. You know what I'm saying? Swartaguer, bro, on Jesus, on Jesus, on Jesus Shavelle Christ. I spray the gold. So they was letting me everywhere because I had the BWA shirt on. They didn't know it was painted. You know what I'm saying? So I ended up getting on stage. I'm standing next to him.

Starting point is 02:28:41 I got footage. You know, I snuck on stage. Now I'm standing next to Kevin Gates. This was way before I went viral. This was like five or six years before I went viral. Like, you know, I just wanted a chance to, I just wanted a chance to meet them. You know what I'm saying? And I never, I never forget this, bro.

Starting point is 02:28:58 I never forget this. I didn't recognize, like him and his wife, Drika Gates. They were sitting down. We was in Monroe. And I was so excited to talk to him until I disregarded her. I really didn't pay her no attention. I just was like, hey, look, Gates. Man, bro, look, I've been following you.

Starting point is 02:29:22 He ain't saying nothing to me. He just looked at Drieker. Like, he just, he looked at Dricka in the face like, is you cool? Is you all right? And that's what let me know like, oh, she was talking to him and I just stole the conversation and disregarded her and basically kind of like scooted her out the way to start talking to him. You feel what I'm saying? And when you are a man of respecting principles, that ain't cool.

Starting point is 02:29:46 So I instantly corrected that. I was like, oh, my bad, bro. I was like, look, bro, I apologize to Drick. I was like, man, look, I ain't trying to take y'all conversation. Hey, bro, y'all finish y'all conversation. I'm going to wait my turn. You feel what I'm saying? And I feel like, as a man, you got to learn to do that.

Starting point is 02:30:00 When you wrong, man, take your L and correct that and keep it moving. Don't get your pride involved and create all these problems, you feel what I'm saying? But men do that. When they wrong, they feel like, oh, okay, now I got to get loud and get extra masculine. You know, man, take your lick. Keep it going. You feel what I'm saying? I don't got no problem respecting no men, bro.

Starting point is 02:30:18 I ain't got no problem being corrected. Somebody pulled me to the side. Like, hey, bro, that wasn't cool. Because I don't know a lot. I ain't grow up with a pops. I ain't grow up with a daddy. I got four sisters and my mama. I was the only boy.

Starting point is 02:30:31 I'm around nothing but emotions and women all day long. So what do I know? You feel what I'm saying? Thank for that God, bro, men into my life to teach me stuff, but it's still a lot I don't know. And it's been a lot of times where, you know, my partners, people I'm cool with have to say, hey, Kluf, bro, look, men don't move like that, bro.

Starting point is 02:30:51 That wasn't no manly thing that you did right there, bro. You don't need to do that. But thank you, bro. Thank you for putting me on point. I appreciate you. That's it. We ain't going to get into it. We ain't going to, you know.

Starting point is 02:31:01 So, um, this right here, bro, like this, Kevin Gaystall really, like, turned me in. I don't mean to took my own horn, but it turned me into a superstar, bro. Like, I ain't no cap, bro. No cap. I don't beat Jesus. It turned me into a superstar, bro. It turned me into, bro. I'm in the stove.

Starting point is 02:31:25 I knew it was different. I'm in Atlanta at the time I'm filming with Cam Newton. You feel what I'm saying? People from and, you know, shout out to Cam, bro. He probably don't even know I went by her while I was working for his foundation. You know what I'm saying? I was working for the Caminoon Foundation when I went by her. He gave me a job.

Starting point is 02:31:43 He was paying good to. You know what I'm saying? I ain't going to cap. They're making money over there at the Camloon Foundation. But, yeah, bro, like, we went to the mall, me and Carl. We went to the mall People were seeing me like That's the dude

Starting point is 02:32:00 You're the dude Dude of Kevin Gates And I'm like You know It's changing Like everybody I'm taking pictures in the mall You know

Starting point is 02:32:08 And me Bro I ain't like no No neat dude Bro Every day you see me My shirt don't fit I got

Starting point is 02:32:16 Taco stains On my clothes And you know I probably got You just told me all that Like hey bro You got something In your beard

Starting point is 02:32:22 You got something I'm talking away You know what I'm saying? That, bro, that's me. You know what I'm saying? Like, so now I'm like, dang, should I start, like, wearing clean shirts and, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:32:32 Because I'm like, you know, life totally changed, bro. Life totally changed. And shout out to, shout out to DC Youngflyer and Fat and Paid because we were some of the, yeah, my boy, fat and paid, bro.

Starting point is 02:32:49 That's his name, Fat and Paid. You know what I'm saying? He wild, too. He wanted a, pioneers, bro. He was one of the goats. But they kind of like, like DC on fly, he kind of like helped push me because he was already there. And when he seen me coming up, he gave me the assist. Him and Funny Mike. You know what I'm saying? And no cap, bro. When Funny Mike shared, when Funny Mike shared my video, I definitely seen the difference. One post. He posted me one

Starting point is 02:33:22 time on Facebook, I got 20,000 followers of one post. He is the person that dominate with the kids. You know what I'm saying? Right now, and I know that the industry don't realize this, man, them kids don't care about y'all. They don't care about none of y'all with y'all talking about who your artist that you pushing, what's your agenda. They care about funny Mike.

Starting point is 02:33:44 My little nephews, my little nieces, don't care that I took a picture with whoever. Don't care what movie I was in. Uncle Jermaine, can you call Funny Mike? That's all they know. Bro, listen. Every kid, they do not care about who's on your TV, who's on your sitcom, who's on your Netflix. They go on to YouTube and they want to watch Funny Mike, bro. They don't care about none of it.

Starting point is 02:34:10 Every kid that I meet. Every kid that I meet. And I'm like, in my mind, I've seen this happen before. Like, you know how to see you know how to see, you know, it's like this big undertaking and people don't understand what's going on. But yeah, bro, like, them kids, y'all done. All they want to do is funny Mike. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:34:30 But he's sharing my post, and it turned me up. This Kevin Gates stuff, like, got me on a whole different. Brough, even Chris Brown started, like, doing the videos, you know, like in my post and sharing my stuff. You know what I'm saying? Shout out. Hey, bro, I got to say this. Shout out to Chris Breezy, bro. Breezy a real one, bro.

Starting point is 02:34:49 Chris Brown are a real one. I got to, bro, I got to tell this story. Breeze is a real room, bro. I'm talking about we, we locked in forever. And it ain't just because he likes skin and I'm light skin, you know what I'm saying? And he got the light skin look like this, like that, you know what? And where it looks like the wind blowing in your face, you know what I'm saying? You got to get that down peck when you light skin.

Starting point is 02:35:08 But it ain't because we both light skin. You feel me? Like, this is a real dude. I'm at the Floyd and Pack of y'all fight, right? You're going to always hit me to say I'm sneaking in. I snuck in. You know what I'm saying? Los Vegas security.

Starting point is 02:35:21 What's up? I'm ripping on there right now. Y'all ain't on y'all. I ain't on y'all. I got past your idea and my thing. What's up? You know what I'm flexing on y'all. But, yeah, MGM Grand Security.

Starting point is 02:35:31 I snuck in there. What's how? You know, boom. I'm looking for like a little break in the gate. I'm walking around from the outside. They got like the little rails up. I find one. It's like a maze.

Starting point is 02:35:44 I'm going through, boom. Ended up round outer celebrities. You know, my home boy and one of my, one of my friends that's a female, they were still outside of the gate. So we're a static. Like, we over there shaking hands like, they're like, oh, you got in. You know, we tripped that. I'm telling them like, bro, y'all should have came.

Starting point is 02:36:02 Y'all should have came with me. But see, they don't believe. They don't believe like me. Man, I know. I drove from Louisiana or Las Vegas in this hot desert, I barely got money for gas. You know what I'm saying? I don't faith.

Starting point is 02:36:18 At the Floyd fight, I know it's going to be crazy celebrities I'm going to get crazy footage You know, that's why I'm up I snuck them in Now all three are seeing Everybody coming through that, bro Listen

Starting point is 02:36:30 It's a difference Between Chris Brown And regular celebrities, bro It's a difference When people was walking through They was getting out I was right in the place Where they was getting out their cars

Starting point is 02:36:42 Going into the floor and fight And walking And the paparazzi was set up right there I was a part of the paparazzi I had my camera I seen people, you know, get out of the neighborhood. Oh, that's such and such. Take a few pictures.

Starting point is 02:36:55 When Chris Brown got out that car, bro, you couldn't see nothing. Camera flashes blinding everything. It just looked like a big light. It was crazy. So much commotion and so many people tried to get to him. This ain't no cap on Big Jesus and Little Jesus. This ain't no cap. He got out that car

Starting point is 02:37:20 He walking I'm thinking in my head Like man I want to do he remember me From my G I want to do he remember me from Instagram Should I say nothing No I don't say something You gonna look stupid

Starting point is 02:37:30 It's Chris Brown He ain't worry about you I took my chance I took my shot I got footage of it It's on YouTube right now I got footage of this moment It's on YouTube

Starting point is 02:37:40 You know what I'm saying He walking through Cameras flasging people Going crazy people Fing sweat air well I said Breezy This Clutch Williams

Starting point is 02:37:53 from Instagram Sweat of God That boy turned around While all this going on Walk back Oh Clutch Something I ain't nice to meet you Michael Jackson

Starting point is 02:38:12 Jr Jr Jr Chris Benoit Brown Shook my hand Bro Me my homie, my home girl, we was done, bro.

Starting point is 02:38:27 Like, we, we, we, I ain't even want to meet nobody else, bro. And, and this was crazy. This will let you know. And see, I'm just a dude, like, I'm gonna give people their flowers. You know what I'm saying? Like, people be calling out. Oh, he fanned that. You know, he's starstruck.

Starting point is 02:38:41 Very. I've been wanting to meet these people my whole life. I ain't got time to play with y'all and act normal. You know what I'm saying? Not enjoyed. I'm acting normal. Like, yeah, I see. Nah, bro.

Starting point is 02:38:50 Like, real deal. I had just ordered a burger, some nachos, I had a big drink, I had like some candy. It was all behind me on this little table. It's probably still there.

Starting point is 02:39:06 I never touched it, bro. Appetite gone, bro. I ain't worrying by none of this food. You feel what I'm saying? And what I didn't know is that my home girl that was with me, she was recording. She was like, I got it on video.

Starting point is 02:39:19 I was like, bro, don't stop playing with me. Like, don't even play with me like that. She was like, no. The lens was a tight lens, though. You know, so if it was wider, you could have really seen the, but you can see exactly what I said, everything in that video. You know what I'm saying? But shout out to that boy Chris Brown.

Starting point is 02:39:37 And I got that on video. I got that clip for y'all, too. I got the receipts. But, man, it was so many celebrities and stuff. Like, you know, but I started, I was doing crazy numbers. I'm trending. I got the internet in the chokehold. This Kevin Gage.

Starting point is 02:39:51 impersonation swept the internet, bro. And this is the thing. I don't think that I'm from the right place. I'm associated with the right people to get my flowers for that. You know what I'm saying? I'm from the country. You know, and when you're from the country, this is how they treat us. This is how they treat us from Louisiana.

Starting point is 02:40:12 And for artists just pop off, say, from Atlanta or Detroit, they're in the game. They're a rapper. They're considered one of them people. Us, bro, we got five, six, seven steps that we go to before they start considering us to be like, you feel what I'm saying? Shout out the raw four nine because he really wanted them dudes. You know what I'm saying? What the hell he? He really wanted them, dude, bro.

Starting point is 02:40:33 He really one of them people that they look at like a superstar. That's so hard to accomplish when you're from Louisiana because when you phone Louisiana and you pop out, they just like, okay, yeah, he's fin to get shot or he fin to be in trouble soon. Like, we're just going to wait on him to self-destruct. We ain't got to involve him. You feel what I'm saying? But I'm going to tell you what I did. I'm going to tell you what I spearheaded and how important I am to internet comedy. I'm really kind of like the godfather in a sense in a certain way.

Starting point is 02:41:02 I got to say this. I got to be honest about this. And nobody ain't going to give me this credit. I got to take it. I got to take it. Okay, boom. This Kevin Gates character, right? His brand, you know, he's a serious dude.

Starting point is 02:41:18 he built on morals and principles and respect. So I'm thinking about like, I can't take this joking thing to the point to where it's kind of messing with his brain. You feel what I'm saying? I don't want to do nothing to tortuiness his image because I'm a fan. You know, I'm a fan. I'm a Kevin Gates fan. He's one of my favorite rappers.

Starting point is 02:41:35 So I spent days and weeks trying to think about how could I like kind of cultivate this character into doing something that would help his brain instead of hurting it? Like, I can't be doing skits and had a man looking like a cornball because that ain't what his original person is. You feel me? He a cool dude. Women like him.

Starting point is 02:41:57 He like a sex symbol and, you know, dudes respect him. So I got to try to find a way to keep this going. What I came up with is I'm going to make the character so tough and gangster that he's ignorant. You know, he don't know what's going on in the regular world, in the regular scheme of things. He's only focused on being tough. You feel what I'm saying? So you'll see me do a skit to where I'm praying. You know, I'm in the church and them.

Starting point is 02:42:23 Man, Lord, you know, if my ops come, man, you know, let me put their eye on them. You know, let me, you know, yeah. You know, Lord, I want to be victorious over all my ops. You know, that ain't gangsters me, Lord. I'm so gangster that I'm gangster in prayer. That was the funny thing. Like, that was the comedic spin that I put on it. I'm gangster at the job interview.

Starting point is 02:42:46 I do a skit, you know. at the job interview like yeah you know i need a little job so i can go you know buy me some pounds i'm trying to sell some pounds so when i get your money i'm gonna you know i'm gonna flip these little pounds that was the the the comedians that's popular right now most of them have that character as the biggest part of their arsenal the over-aggressive super gangster like that character in some type of way, I originated that. If you go back and look, 2014-15, when I first went viral, and people don't even know I was our way back then,

Starting point is 02:43:33 everybody was wearing wigs, dressing like a woman, imitating old people, that was the norm. That was the way that people was being funny. It wasn't no characters like that in, 2014 and 2015. Pull it up. You feel what I'm saying? Pull it up.

Starting point is 02:43:53 This is the truth on Jesus, you feel of Christ. It wasn't none of them, it wasn't none of them characters. So I know, like, people ain't going to give me my props for that, and I ain't trying to make nobody mad because I want to work with all y'all.

Starting point is 02:44:03 Everybody that's popping, bro. I love each and every internet comedian. I support them. I watch them. You feel me? But I'm just, I just got to take my flowers. Like, I spearheaded that.

Starting point is 02:44:14 You feel what I'm saying? And if I'm wrong, correct me. You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to just say this. Shout out to, shout out to Mario to coming. Shout out to Mario to coming because his first video, his first video was kind of along those lines.

Starting point is 02:44:31 But I just hadn't seen it until later on in my career with him saying like, you a whole, ho-ho out of you. That's a big thing, Louisiana. You a whole-ho out-choo. That's like a catchphrase. It went crazy. You know what I'm saying? You a whole-ho.

Starting point is 02:44:44 You a whole-ho. whole, you know, but the word sounded like, it's sound like you're saying you a whole ho. But man, you're a whole, ho out you. Like, you're a complete whole, not half a hole. You're a complete. What's the out you? Out here. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 02:45:00 You're a whole ho out here. Out here. But, you know, when we said, man, you're a whole, ho out of you. You feel what I'm saying? Because we don't got time to break out and then come back and say here, out here, out here. That's easy. You know, black people are out of tongue, lazy. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:45:16 Like, I was just in a barbershop this dude from the UK. I had said, show live. And he was like, wait, wait, what? What you say? I said, show lives. He was like, what does that even mean? I was like, bro, show is meaning sure is. But we ain't fin to break their word down.

Starting point is 02:45:35 Show lials. In one word, show leaves. I mean, it's still not, by the way, sure is. Still isn't a complete limit. Now, you see, I messed up, bro. It sure is. It sure is. Yeah, you're still not really saying what it is.

Starting point is 02:45:49 Bro, you hear me. It sure is to show live. You know, that's a thing, bro. That's a word in the South. That's how we, you know, everybody that's talking. That's what people say. Yep, for real, bro, show live. That show live.

Starting point is 02:46:02 I'll say, I'll say y'all, everyone, you know, when I say, are y'all going to dinner, you can see people like in California, like they'll get, they'll snicker or if you're up north, you know, and you realize, you know, like I don't, I'm like, I think they just, they just laugh at me? Right, right. What did I say? And then I'm like, y'all. Right, right.

Starting point is 02:46:22 You know? Right, right. I was in the pool in California. We was like playing like dodge ball. And one of the balls got out the pool. So I was paused. But I was looking for it. And I came back to the pool because I can find out.

Starting point is 02:46:37 I was like, hey, y'all, what a ud, what the other ball is? They was like, what? What? What? homie what you just say homie i said what a udn it is where is the other one right you know what i'm saying i ain't got time for all that what a udn't it you know what i'm saying you see how easy it is you know what i'm saying but but but like but you know like like that's just you know like that's just you know like that's just how we talk but um but yeah bro like this kevin gay stuff changed my

Starting point is 02:47:06 life bro changed my life i'm getting booked people paying me to post on my page i'm i'm seeing money I'd never seen before. You feel what's crazy, why I got to commend him is he ain't never interfered. Like, he ain't never sent me no cease and desist or he ain't never, he let me get paid. You know what I'm saying? He could have got on his page and said, hey, man, he's faith. Y'all stop supporting him or whatever. Man, I have fed my family, other people family, my little partners.

Starting point is 02:47:37 Man, this all came from this. You feel I'm saying? That's why I got to commend him, bro, because he let me eat. eat. This changed my life and my family life. All on this man back. What he did, his slang and his, you know what I'm saying? I'm out here. I imitate.

Starting point is 02:47:52 And I imitate a lot of other people. That's all I do. You know what I'm saying? He has just took off. I imitate a lot of people, bro. He just went crazy. It just took off. But, um, okay, so boom.

Starting point is 02:48:06 That's going on when it really went to another level, you know, I think at this time I might have like 70,000 followers. When it really went to another level from, I got Instagram and a chokehold. You know, Instagram and Facebook, you know, it's mine.

Starting point is 02:48:30 I monetized my YouTube page. I didn't know you can make money off of it. So I finally monetized it and it's after I didn't have hits on YouTube. Finally monetized it. NBA Young Boy was incarcerated at the time. You know what I'm saying? So I woke up and probably like...

Starting point is 02:48:45 Of course I know that. Right. Shout out the top, man. Shout out to the top. His auntie or somebody was going live and recording him getting out of jail. So I screen recorded it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to post this on, you know, young boyfriend.

Starting point is 02:49:04 I'm going to post it on my page. Same effect as the Kevin Gaystall. I recorded that video. I put it on my page. and one day it got like 200,000 views. And I was like, dang, next day, another 200,000 views. I think it's at like 600,000 right now. I seen the check from that.

Starting point is 02:49:24 Like, I seen what I was going to get paid from that video. And I'm like, I need to find some type of way to incorporate, like, NBA Youngboy into my algorithm. You know what I'm saying? Then I got the idea. Oh, I'm doing Kevin Gates. I need to find who impersonates NBA young boy. You know what I'm saying? Boom.

Starting point is 02:49:48 One little dude was popping off that talk like him. He can sound just like him. But I called him. I was like, look, bro, you know, I'm popular. I'm doing skits and I'm trying to see if you want to do some skits with me. His mama got on the phone like, no. You're not about to use him for his talent and you ain't finner. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:50:04 And I'm trying to, I'm giving them a platform, bro. Yeah, he can use the same material. We'll both use the same content. Come on, bro. Yeah, she's like, you ain't fin of. Try to use my baby. Boom. I said, cool.

Starting point is 02:50:15 He's using me. Facts. I'm fin to put him on. Now, this other little dude, his name, uh, 3.3,4 little peanut. I had seen some 3.34, because 3.34 is Alabama, you know? So he put his, he put his area code. That's why, like, if you look at my YouTube, it's clutch 3-1-8 money. I understand the area code.

Starting point is 02:50:35 I'm just saying peanut. Right. 3-3-4 little peanut. You know what I'm saying? Recipe's my dog. He, uh, I call him. You know, I'm like, hey, bro, I'm trying to, man, where you at? I'm coming to night.

Starting point is 02:50:47 I'm coming to night right now. You know what I'm saying? I'm coming right now. So I'm like, oh, okay, this little dude, hungry. He really wanted it. You feel what I'm saying? He was just young, you know. So I got on the phone with his mama, and she was like, well, I got to meet you.

Starting point is 02:51:02 How old is this guy? He probably about like 15 or 16 at the time. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. She was like, well, I got to meet you. And, you know, I want to talk to you and see this, this and that. I drove all the way to Alabama from Louisiana.

Starting point is 02:51:15 It's probably like eight-hour drive. I drove to Alabama. He from Union Springs. This real deal. When I got there, his community was there. I just thought it was going to be his mama. Man, I'm talking like, the yard man, the preacher, the electricity man, the mechanic. Everybody was waiting on me to pull up.

Starting point is 02:51:35 When I pulled up, I had to shake everybody by hand and everybody got a chance to ask me their question. We're bringing them back. What's going to do with him? Blasee, Blasee. They really protected this little dude, bro. They loved them. They were scared to let him go with me. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:51:49 He got in the car, did what I liked about him. I was buying food, and I didn't know his mama had gave him some money, you know, but he came out of his pocket with all the money. He was like, man, look, this is my mama gave me, bro. You can have it. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, dang, that's crazy. My kids don't do that.

Starting point is 02:52:07 You know what I'm saying? That's what letting me know I was dealing with a genuine dude. You feel what I'm saying? So we get to Louisiana We fin to do our first skit We shopping for clothes and stuff To do the skit with He was like

Starting point is 02:52:22 Bro we ain't gonna post no video We're gonna post a pic And I was like nah bro You know Not understanding Okay he's young He onto some stuff that I may not know nothing about You know what I'm saying

Starting point is 02:52:33 As far as like internet comedian He had his own little wave going His pictures were going viral I was just all about videos Yeah You know, we took a picture. We posted the picture, bro. Shut the Internet down.

Starting point is 02:52:48 You got to realize, young boy the biggest star in the world. He's the biggest star in the world. He's the biggest star in the world. Bro, this picture was everywhere. I'm seeing myself get to new platforms that I was trying to get on that I wasn't on at first. I'm like, oh, yeah, this young boy character is what it is. You feel what I'm saying? So once again, young boy, a serious dude.

Starting point is 02:53:16 So I'm telling Peanut, I'm like, hey, bro, look, don't do no skits or nothing that this man going to feel like it's an insult. Bro, we ain't trying to disrespect nobody. You feel what I'm saying? We're just trying to do what we're doing, but we ain't trying to hurt what they're doing trying to help ourselves. You feel me? It's wrong at that point. You know what I'm saying? So I'm monitoring like his content, but he did a couple of little videos.

Starting point is 02:53:40 I had to say, hey, bro, take that down. We ain't doing that, you know. And that's just me. And I'm just putting that out there for people that don't know how that situation was ran and how I moved. I ain't about disrespecting nobody, bro, because I don't want nobody disrespecting me. Because I'm willing to go there if you do it. I'm willing to make it happen.

Starting point is 02:53:59 You know what I'm saying? So, bro, we super viral. We dropping videos. My YouTube page went from like 30,000. subscribers to like 200,000. You were at 70 last time. 70 is when I posted it. Okay.

Starting point is 02:54:18 You know what I'm saying? I posted the, I posted the, I was at 30,000. I posted the young boy getting out of jail. It got me to 70,000. Right. Peanut, that video, our videos took me from 70,000 to like 200,000. Okay. Feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:54:38 I'm looking at the money these videos generated. bro, it's unbelievable. I ain't never seen this type of money in my life. You know, I ain't never seen this type of. This is Instagram? YouTube. Okay, YouTube. You know, we was making the videos on Instagram and just posting them on YouTube.

Starting point is 02:54:55 You feel what I'm saying? Bro, I'm looking like, man, I don't even know what to do with $20,000. And I swear to God, bro. I'm like, man, they ain't, man, people ain't fin to see me that for real. This is a game, but I ain't no way they're going to let me get $20,000 for making a video. Yeah, they're going to take something out. Yeah, I'm like, bro, they're going to take 40%. Yeah, bro.

Starting point is 02:55:16 Like, it's a hoax. It's a hoax. Because I know they ain't fin to let me go buy this juror and do it out. I ain't going to let me do that, man. Real deal, bro, like, when I say, man, I start seeing checks, bro, like from YouTube, me and peanut turned. We turned. He got 600 pail tennis shoes at my house.

Starting point is 02:55:37 He's buying them every day. He buying them every day. We in the mall. He buying stuff all people for it. Like, hey, bro, I liked them. Take that off. Here you go you $200. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:55:46 Say your money, bro. Y'all say your money. I just want to let y'all know. Don't, don't do that. Don't do that. Like for real, bro. Say your money because your money going to save you. Business.

Starting point is 02:55:59 Start businesses. Start businesses. The richest people are not the people that made the most money in the NBA. The richest people are the people that open the most businesses with the money they made from the NBA. Feel what I'm saying? Magic Johnson and Shaq and people like this, they're great businessmen. It ain't about getting a $200 million contract if you're going to spend it all.

Starting point is 02:56:24 You know what I'm saying? You made $200 million and you gave Rose Wars and Lamborghini $100 million. You know, now they went to the NBA. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm just saying like, bro, say you money because we, bro, we did a lot of, man. Man, I'm getting checks for like $30. I'm like, hey, peanut, we're going to take, we're going to say this, you know, we're going to take 15,000 to just go out of town and blow it. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:56:50 We ain't doing nothing special. We eating and buying clothes and, you know what I'm saying, paying for everybody's food and seeing people on the street and getting them 20 and 60 and $100. You know what I'm saying? Like, real deal, bro. I made some, I made some serious money, bro. Some life-changing money on YouTube. I should be doing a lot better. than what I am right now.

Starting point is 02:57:13 It's hurtful. I don't even want to talk about it. I don't even want to talk about it. I ain't going to even, I ain't putting no numbers out there. I ain't bringing no numbers up. I ain't even going to do that. I'm just tell y'all, say your money, bro.

Starting point is 02:57:24 Say your money. You're going to cry. It's going to hurt you. Save it. Now, me and peanut, bro, phenomenon. We took over the internet, bro. When I say we ran it on Jesus or Christ,

Starting point is 02:57:40 when nobody else getting no way, motion. We on every blog. We on every page, shade room, everything every day. Every video we drop. Now we bring it in more characters. We bring it. Codex black look alike.

Starting point is 02:57:57 Everybody that was hitting me up, they was auditioning in my inbox. Hey, bro, I look like where I wave? Please put me on a skit. Man, where you at? I'm in Texas. We gasping up going to get them. You know what I'm saying? We're on tour, bro. Finding lookalikes. I got this whole like S&L, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:58:13 Shout out to my niece, Dei, because she portrayed. Your niece isn't really named Day Day Day. My niece, now, ain't Day Day. Real deal. Shout out my, it's my bro, is my brother Boo Boo. Her uncle is my brother Boo Boo Boo. Neese. That's my niece, Dei, and my bro is named Bubu.

Starting point is 02:58:38 You know what I'm saying? He real name Rakkenra Clay. But you know that we call it. Boo Boo. You know what I'm saying? So, shout out to my dog. Shout out to Boo. But my niece, Day Day,

Starting point is 02:58:49 start playing Janine and Michelle, young boy baby, mama. You know what I'm saying? So I had their little saga going on. You feel what I'm saying? And it was just like, bro, it was going crazy. It was everywhere. We was trending everywhere.

Starting point is 02:59:03 You feel what I'm saying? So with that, I didn't know like, I didn't know, like, I started, me and peanuts started, like, bumping heads. Nothing serious. Nothing serious, but, like, he'll just, okay, young boy got dreads. You got dreads. This is a port of your costume.

Starting point is 02:59:26 We need this. He'll just run off and cut his hair off. That take you a year to get to this link. Right. And I'm like, bro, why would you cut your hell? How are we doing skis? I don't know. So we just start bumping heads on, you know, stuff like that, bro.

Starting point is 02:59:39 And me not realizing, like, he's a lot young. younger than me. You know, I'm just expecting him to know. You feel what I'm saying? And like, like, Brumpton like, petty stuff. He's going to, he's going to kitchen and eat my last piece of my burger or something. We fall out. We are.

Starting point is 02:59:55 Bro, why you ate my burger, bro? All the stores are closed. I'm hungry. I ate it. We're falling out over stuff like that, bro. You feel it? Not in that physical. We ain't disrespecting each other. We're just bumping heads like, like, having arguments because he really like my little brother. He's living with me.

Starting point is 03:00:10 I'm raising him. You feel what I'm saying? His mama loved me to do. His mama, he didn't move in with me at this point. Is he going to school? Uh-uh. He's not. He not.

Starting point is 03:00:21 He not. High school, that's over. At this time, no, he got his GED. Okay. He had a GED. So he, uh, he, he lived, he's living with me at this point. He's staying with me. His mama calling me like, yeah, you know, keep him down there with you, because it ain't

Starting point is 03:00:35 nothing but trouble here. You feel? I'm saying. So I'm trying my best to do just that. She, she's trying to really. Look out for him. So, bro, we, we, we, we fell out because this, this is how simple it, this how simple it was. This how crazy was.

Starting point is 03:00:50 We was at the store. We got something to eat. And I asked me, did he want to drink? He was like, nah, I was like, well, I'm fin to get a Coke, where you show you don't want in a drink? He's like, no, I'm straight on the drink. You know what I'm saying? He got water.

Starting point is 03:01:01 It's how I get a water. So I put my, this, you know, I had Coke. Coke. And it's bad. Coke is bad for you, bro. You know what I'm saying? but coke man I got a problem bro

Starting point is 03:01:12 and I need some help man I need somebody help me fix this bro I can't stop drinking coke bro and I go to Sprife for about two days I'm right back with the Coke bro this is the best one out of the fountain fountain coke not out of the bottle

Starting point is 03:01:26 out of the fountain if I see it if I see like a fountain one I'll drink the fountain one I don't like them out of the bottle man a fountain shout out the dare queen man der queen that coke out of that dare queen God

Starting point is 03:01:40 Jesus. Man, that soda soap fire, bro. And you know the soda of fire when you drink it and you got to look at it. Like you're trying to figure out what's wrong with it.

Starting point is 03:01:50 You know what I'm saying? Get you another hit. Make you say a cuss word. God. Man, that's soda from Dead Queen's soapy. But I got my Coke in the freezer.

Starting point is 03:02:02 I'm thinking about it all day. Like, man, when I get home, I'm slaughter that Coke. Coke in the freezer. I get home, it's this much in the, You know what I'm saying? He and, I said peanut, bro.

Starting point is 03:02:14 You drunk my Coke, bro. Bro, I'm thirsty, brain. He had nothing to drink. We arguing. I'm, man, I just asked you, did you want something? And you said, nah, you didn't drink my soda. Feel what I'm saying? He was like, bro, I'm tired of you, bro.

Starting point is 03:02:25 You always complain about everything. Me not knowing he's young. He really don't understand. You feel me? Like boundaries as it pertains to people's stuff. Yeah. You know, he got mad at me. He went home.

Starting point is 03:02:38 You know, he went home. So, I'm, you know, like, he on my mind every day because he didn't tell me about stuff that happened while he was out there. And, you know, I just didn't like it. And I didn't feel like it was safe, you know. So I was trying to keep him down there with me because he's a superstar in Louisiana. And before he dropped the video, I told him, I was like, bro, you've been doing these pictures and videos for your fans in Alabama. Wait until I introduce you to my Louisiana fan base. It's going to go crazy.

Starting point is 03:03:09 I told him, I said, by Christmas you're going to have 50,000 followers. By Christmas, he had 120,000. Got bigger than me. He's popping more than me. Because, you know, young boy is the new high dude. So he, rock star, bro, swip. This is how crazy it was. We was shooting a movie called Christmas at the Grey Horse Inn.

Starting point is 03:03:30 This is a hallmark movie. You know, I'm a cameraman. You know, I work with films. We're shooting Christmas at the Grey Horse Inn. We is in, this place is like a, bro, time travel portal. I ain't, no disrespect, nothing but white folks, bro. White people, everyone. I'm somebody, not like you.

Starting point is 03:03:53 Like, you know, I'm some of my real white people. Like, you feel, and I ain't saying you a fake, white person, but I'm saying, like, you are cool. I'm doing your podcast. You feel me? Like, so you can't be too messed up about it. You feel me? Like, you cool, bro.

Starting point is 03:04:08 You just bought me food. What about, you mean like Colby? No, no, no, no. No, I'm talking about like, hey, six o'clock by 630, you need to be out of here. Right. We're not going to put up with you and your loud music. I'm like, damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:04:25 People got on overalls and hats. These seers, this for real. They still got, you know, they're pulling up downtown jumping out the back of trucks. You feel what I'm saying? The dog in the truck. You know what they're. that is when they got the shotgun behind them in the dog in the truck. Them.

Starting point is 03:04:43 We, we are. We in some, it's in North Carolina, some part of North Carolina, but we're shooting this scene for the parade. It's like three or four, like, Caucasian girls on the back of this truck, right? They seen peanut and lost it. They're like, oh, my God, that's the dude. That dude, young boy, Blasey, Blasey. Man, when I say these, people looking at them so crazy.

Starting point is 03:05:09 like instantly made them shut up. Like they instantly looked at them like with a look. They got quiet. Like, and I was like, dang, that's crazy. But they took their phones out and started running towards me to have to take pictures and the dude stopped them. And, you know, I seen the, you know, the dude in the overalls over there explaining to them like, you know,

Starting point is 03:05:28 talking to them like, you know, so I'm like, oh, they got in trouble for that. They got in trouble because they weren't talking to us. When we was filming, we was going to restaurants and eating, bro, they, you know. Looking at us, checking us out. They went talking to us. You feel what I'm saying?

Starting point is 03:05:42 And I, you know, I ain't got no problem with it. It is what it is. You know, where the world. But, you know, shout out to people like you, bro. So that's when, that wasn't no dis when I said real white people. I mean, like, you, you know, bro, we didn't accept that you, bro. You feel what I'm saying? You are our kinfolk and stuff, bro.

Starting point is 03:06:01 You are people now. You feel me? Like, you ain't even got to worry about, bro. You feel me? Like, you know, so, like, yeah. Like, this dude was really, they turned into a, you know, like, he was a rock star, bro. And so he left and he called me. He called.

Starting point is 03:06:21 He was like, hey, Clutch, bro, I'm ready to, you know, I'm ready to come back, bro. I'm ready for you to come get me. You know what I'm saying? I'm being stubborn. I'm like, hey, bro, I'm doing something right now. Bro, I'm going to call you back. No one, I'm happy that he said he ready to come back. Because we're fin to do these skis.

Starting point is 03:06:37 We're going to get some more money. It's been to go up. You know, I'm happy he said it, but I'm just acting none shillant. Like I ain't true. Like, bro, I'm gonna call you back, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, you don't just get to call me back. Right, right, right.

Starting point is 03:06:48 You see what I mean? Snap me your fingers and say, come get me. Right, right, right. You know, that's what I'm like, yeah, bro, whatever. You know, man, I'm on Facebook. I'm on Facebook. And a dude coming in and was like, man, you heard about what happened to peanut. I was like, man, come on, man.

Starting point is 03:07:20 I click on Instagram all down my timeline. You know what I'm saying? Like the young boy impersonator, you know, passed away. Young boy impersonator got, you know, got killed. He got shot. Bro, I can't even, you know, I can't even explain, like, the pain and the guilt, brother, that I felt. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 03:07:54 for him being back at home for something so petty, and I lost him, you know? And I felt responsible for him because I was the male figure in his life. You know, he was learning. So much stuff that I told him when he first came to live with me, he didn't understand. But now we're having these conversations

Starting point is 03:08:15 and he's saying, oh, bro, I see why you stay in the house all the time. Or I see why you don't talk to that dude. Or I see why you don't go here. I see why you don't go out of the clubs. He's getting it You know what I'm saying Because bro I protect myself

Starting point is 03:08:26 Bro You feel what I'm saying I ain't got time To be You know Let him one of these Because I feel like this You can get a new pair of shoes

Starting point is 03:08:34 You can get a white pair of shoes You're walking everywhere Except the mud You know You're gonna avoid the mud At all cost But you will go take yourself And throw yourself up in the club

Starting point is 03:08:45 Where this person How off that That person how off that He's miserable His girlfriend just broke up with him You'll put yourself In all that chaos And they're haters

Starting point is 03:08:53 Come on, bro. They don't like you. They don't like, especially if you having a little motion. So how you treat your shoes better than yourself? You feel me? When you get a new TV or you get something, you lock it up in your house. You know, you don't open the door, you don't leave the window open. You're going to make sure people can't get to that.

Starting point is 03:09:11 So why are you so exposed as a human and you more valuable than anything? Why are you putting yourself in these type of predicaments? You feel? So I used to always preach that to him because he just was like, man, why you don't never go nowhere. You step in the house, bro, I'm working.

Starting point is 03:09:26 I'm on this computer. I'm, you know, I'm trying to get rich. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, that broke me, bro.

Starting point is 03:09:36 Like, like that took me to like, a load that I, and what's crazy, I was losing my mama. You know, like my mama was on her deathbed. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 03:09:49 Peanut was there with me. You know, helping me do whatever I was doing. You know what I'm saying? He helped me. helping me. I'm fixing my mama this kind of drink and this medicine and doing. He that with me through the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? He came to the funeral. You know, because he was going to leave then, but he stayed because my mama was sick.

Starting point is 03:10:08 He was like, man, I'm going to help you out. You feel me? And I got people that, you know, I know way longer than him that that didn't offer that type of help. You feel I'm saying? It ain't no problem, but I'm just saying he chose to. So like, but I really love this little dude. like my son. You know what I'm saying? And then I get on the internet, bro. And this was hurtful. This was hurtful. Clutch Williams sacrificed 3-3-4 little peanut. Like, Clutch had him knocked off. He was a luminatic sacrifice. Like, I'm reading all this stuff, bro. And like, like, I know people just be putting that up there for fun. But, bro, that's hurtful, bro. When there's somebody you love and somebody you care about, you know, to see that, like people accusing you.

Starting point is 03:10:54 Everywhere I look, I'm getting messages and all kind of like hate mail and people just writing like, yeah, you, how, how I sacrifice them about them still in the trenches? Why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, if I sacrifice him, why I ain't at the, the McGa-Land, I ain't in Hollywood and why, you know, like, bro, I'm still in the trenches. How, how is that possible? You feel what I'm saying? What I sacrificed them for? You know? But, like, bro, that's just crazy, bro. I ain't even, you know, I ain't even on that level for them to be even talking about

Starting point is 03:11:29 nothing like that pertaining to me. You feel what I'm saying? So, like, that me going, me losing him and then having to turn around and go through that. And shout out the, shout out the, Miss Sharonda, a young boy, NBA, young boy, mama. You know, she came to the funeral. I think a young boy helped pay for the funeral or something, if I'm not mistaken. But they definitely, like, show they support the peanut.

Starting point is 03:11:54 You feel what I'm saying? And I just thought that was some of the realest stuff he could have ever did. You know what I'm saying? And people broadcast so much bad stuff about NBA young boy. You never hear nobody tell them stories like that. Like what he'd do in that regard. You feel what I'm saying? But shout out to them for that.

Starting point is 03:12:10 You know what I'm saying? And his mama, bro, she's a beautiful person. I love Ms. Sharonda, bro. Like, Peanut was so aesthetic to have his woman's phone number. I used to fuss at him Hey boy, stop calling that woman phone But Ms. Sharonda would

Starting point is 03:12:29 She'll stay on the phone with him for three hours If he wanted to talk He'll just call this woman You know, he just geeked up at this NBA young boy Mama. He'll call this woman and just Be on the phone with her He playing young boy music Talking to her over the music

Starting point is 03:12:44 I'm like, bro, you got too much going on Man, that woman ain't got time to be But she was always sweet to him, bro She was always nice to him, you know what I'm saying? shout out to her because that was something big for him that was huge that he even had the chance to associate her you know uh uh a talk to you feel i'm saying but um but but but yeah bro so after the after the uh after the um after the whole of internet um you know after the whole of internet wave i kind of stopped doing videos after that you know after peanut pads it wasn't the same

Starting point is 03:13:17 for me you know so i i didn't like i lost some motivation so i I started back filming. I started back doing movies. So now I'm taking over Tooby. You know what I'm saying? So I got like four films on, I got like four films on Toobie right now. And that's the way, bro.

Starting point is 03:13:35 When people sleeping on Tooby, man, y'all better, y'all better stop treating Toobie like it's some secondary, it's the new stuff. Like I was just saying earlier about funny mic and that undertaking, like that's what Toobie doing, bro. Like, Toobie is huge. Coach Prime, he's smart. He could have went to,

Starting point is 03:13:51 all these other networks and got, he chose Tooby and put his new show on Tooby. You know what I'm saying? So like, that's what I'm doing right now, bro. I'm just, I'm writing, I'm writing films and, you know, I'm motivated to do movies. Even though I'm back doing the skits, you know what I'm saying? I got a lot of stuff that's coming too. I got a lot of stuff that's in the making. And I got a movie that's about to come out right now called Blame Her.

Starting point is 03:14:21 on Tooby, you know, it's a mob. It's kind of like this mob thing. And I just want to say this. I really don't, I really don't like to see black people like do the mob movies. Because, you know, like Martin Scorsese is so brilliant with that. You know, like Goodfellas and all that, bro. Like, them, bro, them the best movies ever. Like, bro, them the best can't none top them movies, bro.

Starting point is 03:14:45 So, like, I just want, like, you know, I just had to try my hand at it. because I'm such a big fan of that, you know. And I feel like, I feel like the success in the mob movies with people like Morris Gersaise is the fact that like people that got tempers in the movie, they're not loud. The bad people are not loud. Like, what's my man name that played Al Pacino? No, no, no, not Al Pacino. know, he, uh, he, he, he got the scene that I couldn't see him when he was at the table

Starting point is 03:15:24 and asking him up, but like, you think I'm funny? So what are you saying? I'm my man. Oh, yeah, yeah, Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci. Feel what I'm saying? He's not loud. Yeah. He just, you, you, you took him off and it's, you know. Or Robert, Robert De Niro, same thing. He never yells at all. Right. You just, he just, you smoke a cigarette and he just looks at him. You can see it in his face. Like, he's deciding, yeah, I'm going to kill that. That's right. That's the difference between, um, A white person, my movie, and a black person. Because black people, when they get mad in the movie, it's loud, and I'm screaming, and I'm raw.

Starting point is 03:15:56 But the cold thing about Martin Scorsese and, you know, Joe Pesci and him is like, his temper is kind of like, okay, gotcha. Yeah, I see you later. I think that's the- drop you, he wants you to drop your guard and think everything's okay. Right. That's the difference. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 03:16:13 You know what I'm saying? Come on, bro. Come on, bro. That's the difference. I want to say I forget which is which, but that's the difference between a, so the difference between a psychopath. So I think it is a psychopath and a sociopath.

Starting point is 03:16:29 A psychopath, so a sociopath gets upset. So if you bump into a sociopath in a bar, he starts, you get into an argument with you and you end up having a fight right then. You bump into a psychopath in a bar he says oh okay and he walks outside he follows you home he goes and gets a gas can he burns your whole house down with your whole entire family in it do you see what I'm saying like it like he's he's angry but he's in control of his emotions they'll take his time until he can do complete damage

Starting point is 03:17:04 as opposed to get into which is just right that's me that's me like I'm gonna take care of this right right to be later that's me bro because I want to I want to get you in the best way possible Like, I don't want this to be a lousy job where I kind of, you know, I shoot and I miss or I, no, I want to get you. And that takes time. You know what I'm saying? That takes time, bro. Like, for real, bro, dudes then, like, played on my top with my old lady before. You feel me?

Starting point is 03:17:30 Or girls in the past that I, it then took me five years to get my leg back, you know? I'm five years, bro. I'm working my move and all doing it. I got to get you, though. I got, bro, I got to have you. You know what I'm saying? I'm that person. I'm patient enough to, you know, to do that.

Starting point is 03:17:49 So that's crazy you made, you differentiated between that because I never understood that. You know what I'm saying? But what, what, what, what do you learn stuff like that? Like, I had written a book about, I wrote a book about, not serial killers. I wrote a book about a guy who was a pathological liar and it talks about the anti-social disorder. He talks about the different thing. pathological, I'm sorry, between psychopaths and sociopaths.

Starting point is 03:18:19 Like, they're very similar, except for very slight changes in the brain chemistry. And, you know, one of them is like, they both have kind of like the same. Right. They're both angry. They both want to get revenge. One is reactive and one is like, okay. And he just walks away and you're like, yeah, everything's fine. Yeah, three days later,

Starting point is 03:18:37 you know, your house is on fire. He kills you and everybody around. You know, burns your whole house that. You're like, what the fuck? Right, right. Yeah, that's great. Question for you real quick. What, what, like, what, what, uh, what made you want to do this, like the podcast or? I was writing the, I, I, I just learned that I really liked writing stories. And, um, I just liked writing stories in prison and I enjoyed it. And I enjoyed listening to the guys tell their stories. Yeah, because that's a big thing. We call it Jocin in Louisiana. Josen. Jocin. Like a joist. You feel me?

Starting point is 03:19:14 Like when you're telling stories and you running up, yeah, we just joicing. Like we're telling stories making the time. You know what I'm saying? Somebody's calling like, bro, what y'all doing? Man, nothing else. Just over here, jocin? Everybody telling their story. You feel me?

Starting point is 03:19:27 Because that's how I go down. Somebody say, yeah, bro, I, man, I jacked our boy for $20,000. 20. Man, we hit a lick for a hundred. Then somebody else and jumped in. Try a half a million. We will, you know, jose. We're just running up.

Starting point is 03:19:43 But yeah, that's a big thing in jail. But that's what it's based off. I remember, I was sitting like in the rec yard at like a table and realized like me and a couple guys had been talking just listening to one guy's story for an hour and a half and another guy for an hour, whatever it was. And everybody's kind of, you know, talking. And I just remember thinking to myself, like, if I could get paid for this. Like this is really what you need to be able to get paid for.

Starting point is 03:20:09 You know what I'm saying? Right. But I started writing. all these guys' stories, these true crime stories, because these guys had amazing stories, but they couldn't write their stories. Not anything against them, but the truth is, it's very difficult to write your own story because you don't see yourself the way you really are. Like, my image of me is not what other people see.

Starting point is 03:20:26 That what I'm trying to tell you, bro, you wanted Joe Rogan. So I start writing these guys' stories. And it's funny, too, I'd say about 30% of them were not happy with the stories. When they're done, they're like, you know, Ryan, like the way you said this. this you described me as this you just you said it and it's like it's like it's like okay but it's true you know what I'm saying it's like this one guy Doug Dodd I described them as basic I said it was he was upper class white trash you know like and he was he was like it's fucked up bro they're like what do you think white trash is and he's like and he's like well you know like people that live in trailer parks they go

Starting point is 03:21:04 okay well well no way I said or trailer I said not trailer park you're saying one is there specific and I was like this place right here I said when you this told me about this fight I go where was that he's like was in it is in a double-wide trailer right you were living in a double-wide trail um yeah yeah but but my mom lived in a drubble way i was yeah well you were fucking kid you live with your mother what about here what was this this scene of single that was a single wide trailer what about this what about where your buddy used to live oh that was a trailer park what about when your buddies used to have a big party he can't see it he can't see And then I'm sitting there, listen, bro, your mother who was a waitress, caught your father, who was a manager of like a fucking shitty diner fucking one of his waitresses in the family Camaro in the driveway of the double wide.

Starting point is 03:21:58 Bro, I'm sorry, you're white trash. I mean, I'm not trying to, there's nothing wrong with that. It's not your fault. You're white trash. Hot white trash. Right. Like it's not your fault. You were born into it.

Starting point is 03:22:08 Right. Right. Right. Right. You were born into it. Right. You're going to break out of it. But you didn't.

Starting point is 03:22:14 At this time, you would deep in it. Yeah. Deep in it. Like you had, you were just shy of a mullet. That's it. So dirt. But there's lots of guys that,

Starting point is 03:22:25 and listen, he lives, he lived in like this little fucking town of free. Like, it wasn't even Newport Ritchie. It was like outside of Newport. Oh, Hudson, Florida,

Starting point is 03:22:33 which is, you know, it's, it's all fucking trailer parks. I mean, it's strip clubs, pawn shops, trailer parks. So anyway, he, but yeah, he was up like there. Everybody, lots of guys that I did stories about, they were upset. They just were, and I was, but then what, here's what would happen.

Starting point is 03:22:51 Just like a lot of our, like our thumbnails and titles and stuff, people get upset when they first come out. Yo, bro, you said this and this and this. Well, you were, you were a disparate attorney. Yeah, but I don't like that you put it in a title. Okay. Right. And if it was your choice, that might mean something. If it's your podcast, like you call it whatever you want.

Starting point is 03:23:11 We're trying to get people to click on the video. So lots of people get upset. But here's what happens is that a week later, they come back and they go, yo, bro, so many people have reached out to me. And, you know, they love my fucking story. And they love this and they love that. And by the way, I'm sorry that I fucking texted you and told you that that was fucked up. And that was wrong.

Starting point is 03:23:33 I'm sorry about that. Right, right, right. We did the right thing. I thought about it. Same thing with the stories. Guys would take the stories. I'm upset. I don't like it.

Starting point is 03:23:39 I don't like that you fucking said we were a part of the cartel. You went into Mexico and met with the cartel. I didn't say you were part of the cartel. I said you were a link in the chain. You were. You were importing from the cartel, talking with cartel, shipping with the cartel. You were caught. The indictment.

Starting point is 03:24:03 talks about the cartel that you were working with the cartel. This isn't me. This is you as a attorney. Like I get, yeah, but it makes it sound like, you know, we were dangerous.

Starting point is 03:24:10 That's not true. Like, right. So the point is, is that they would get upset, but then they read, then their buddies start reading the story. And next thing you know,

Starting point is 03:24:17 they're like, now you got somebody that agree to see them the same way as you painted them in the story. And they're like, you're right. It's, I,

Starting point is 03:24:24 I see it now. And, you know, nobody wants to hear that. Nobody, it's like when people say, you know, oh,

Starting point is 03:24:30 the first time I read an article about myself that said, called me a con man. I'd never been so fucking offended in my life. You don't know me. I'm not a con man. And then you read the whole article. Now I look back and I'm like, yeah, okay. I did manipulate that person. I did lie that person.

Starting point is 03:24:49 I did, before you know it, con man. You're a con man. I just had that talk with my daughter on the way over. I was telling her the same thing. Like, I was telling her like to be accepting. of like the charges that people put on you most times because it's true. You feel what I'm saying? Before you find a way to try to disconnect yourself from it, try to see if the shoe fit first.

Starting point is 03:25:11 Yeah. You know, you got to try it on first to see. You're better off leaning into it, apologizing for it than trying to deny it. Right. By denying it, now, guess what? You're a con man and you're a liar. Right. You see what I'm saying?

Starting point is 03:25:24 Or you're a thief and you're lying about it. At least if you said, damn, you got me, I stole that, I fucked up. I don't know why I stole it. I stole it because I thought you would notice it. I needed the, you know, or maybe I didn't even need the fucking money. Right. But it was available.

Starting point is 03:25:37 I didn't think you'd notice it. I figured, hey, I'm about to make a come up for 200 bucks and I'm going to steal it. Like, like, even with, even with like me getting famous, the way that I got famous with the Kevin Gates stuff. And you know, people's like, oh, man,

Starting point is 03:25:51 you riding this man, waiver, you, you own it. Bro. Yes. Yes. I'm a fan. Yeah. I'm a fan. You ain't going to say that to Will Smith when he played Muhammad Ali

Starting point is 03:26:03 and you ain't going to say that to Jamie Fox when he played Ray. You feel what I'm saying? They're just doing it on the film and I'm just doing it in a different type of film. It's videos. But, bro, I'm a Kevin Gates fan. Whatever you want to call me, because, you know, people on TikTok be calling me Kevin Fence. You know what I'm saying? Or they be calling me Kevin Waite, you know, because he is shape now.

Starting point is 03:26:23 You know what I'm still, you know, I'm still big. But, bro, I don't, man, yes. You're at the beginning of your fitness journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Facts, bro. Like, for real. I love that. For real.

Starting point is 03:26:33 I'm at the beginning. But I just did a, I just did, I'm in like the last two weeks of my 90-day push-up challenge. You know what I'm saying? But the push-ups didn't work in the areas I thought that, you know, I thought it was going to work. You know, my shoulders, my arms, the chest a little bit. But, you know, I'm still, you know, built like an egg. But I got to, you know. I'm going to, now I'm going to do a 90-day sit-up challenge, you know, sit-ups for 90 days and see what that do for me.

Starting point is 03:27:00 But yeah, bro, I'm big on accountability, bro. That's the biggest thing. Like, that's the biggest thing with me, accountability, bro. Like, that's my, that's what I'm talking about all day. You feel me? I just feel like that's the best thing for growth, for success, for communication, for everything. You feel me? Nobody wants to take accountability.

Starting point is 03:27:21 Yeah, yeah. Even with church people, like, even with church people, bro, you don't talk in tongues, spit and cried and flipped over tables and did all this but when it's time to take your lick you can't do it that's what God is concerned about more than anything can you be responsible for your actions forget all the stuff forget all that other stuff like that don't even matter who cares if you went to church 90 times this year

Starting point is 03:27:47 but somebody tell you about something you get mad you missed the spot no I didn't you know what I'm saying you and you got out of pride and you got out you feel I'm saying. So, so I'm like, you know, I'm, and you said you wrote a book too, and I got a, me and my daughter got a children's book. It's called Kennedy and the Dollar. And it was number 14 on the bestseller list. And it went, it was number one in the genre for, for children's books on Amazon. You know, they did a whole little, the news hit me up. I didn't even know. The news station in my city. He was like, hey, did you know your daughter's book is number one? Amazon and number 14 on the best sign.

Starting point is 03:28:28 Like, for real? I was like, yeah. So they did a story, you know, a story with us on the news. And what's crazy is we wrote the book. You know, I gave us a speech like, hey, look, it's our first book. Might not do nothing. It might not, you know, it's our first book. So it might not have no success.

Starting point is 03:28:43 And boom, our first book did great, did amazing. You know what I'm saying? And we got another one that's going to come out called the Ladybug and the Blue Bear. And we both artists, like we draw, you know. I do paintings. do. I'm working on a wall right now, actually. A wall. Yeah, a wall. Me and my, me and my homie, macho loat, he's a rapper, money-making macho. He got a,

Starting point is 03:29:06 we got a building that we bought, and we just filling the walls with paintings of celebrities. We both artists. So we're just sticking as many celebrities in there, you know, as possible. You're right, murals, you know what I'm saying? So we just, we're working on that right now. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button to the bell so you get notified videos just like this. Also, please share the video.

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