Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - LAPD’s Most Wanted Man Goes on the Run!

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

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Jocka ends up walking up to me and I'm like, hey, I was on LAPD's Most Wanted list. They had called the ghetto bird. And the next thing, you know, I'm in the street and just my boxers, no shoes, no nothing. Like, I knew my clock was ticking. It was not very long ago. You still gotta go to prison. No, it gets better, miss on me. Never saw my parents argue or fight or anything like that. It was Christmas Eve. I was seven and, like, sitting there jumping on the bed,

having a good time in my room. And parents come, knock on the door. They come in and tell me to sit down. down and tell me that they're getting in divorce. That was initially when I first started getting into trouble. I think I just kind of used it as an excuse. They're like, oh, it's okay. He's going through a divorce. You know what I mean? And I was like, oh, okay, that's like my, that's my pass right there. And actually shortly after that, it was a private school there on San Vicente Boulevard in Santa Monica. I think it was called Carl Thorpe School. And there was a few celebrity kids that were going there at the time. Kurt Russell and Goldie Hans kids were going there. And it was during class and I was in

the bathroom and I was with a girl in the bathroom. And the assistant principal came into the bathroom. And since the kid was a celebrity's kid, I'm not going to mention who she was. But they were like, okay, you know, you go back to your class. And I'm like, okay. And then she tells me, she's like, hey, you little shit. She's like, she's like, get out of here. And, you know, you're going up to my office and so I'm like man this lady just old lady just cussed me out man and so I walk out of the bathroom and uh there's a basketball that was like off by some drain and I'm like so I walk over I pick up this basketball and I just like beeline it at this the assistant principal she's like one of those typical old ladies with like the like long gray like bell haircut or whatever right

and uh so I beeline this basketball at this old lady's head and it uh just like ricochets off her head and so I was I was asked to leave that school that year. So that was the first time I got kicked out of a school. They frown on you assaulting the staff in middle school. Yeah, I guess a protest wasn't going on or something like that. So that was the first school I got kicked out. It was a private school, Carl Thorpe, went to another private school after that. And same thing happened again.

They actually asked my brother not to come back to that same school as well. He had some things going on. He got in trouble in class. and stuff like that. So they just took the two of us and were like, okay, you know, you guys can't come back next year. So we went to the next private school. Well, where's your dad?

He was around, right? He was around. He would be, he would take us to, initially when at first, they first separated, he wasn't around too much. But after like a year or so, he would start taking us to school a few days a week.

He would still take us to the park to throw baseball for practice for baseball. He would always still show up at all of my games. Initially, within the first, like I mentioned, year or so, I wasn't around too much. So I think this is kind of what when I first started getting into trouble and there was really a lack of discipline taking place, really just kind of got me going on the wrong path.

Next private school went there. There was a couple of times where these kids were picking on my brothers, so we beat up some kids. I remember then being in a math class, And I was actually I got in a math tutor because I was a little behind in math. And so I'm doing pretty good. And they gave us a little test. It was like a speed test.

Whoever can finish first, you know, wins. And so I remember completing the test quickly. I was one of the first few people done. Take the test up to the teacher. And her name was Miss Wadsworth, man. And take the test up to her. She goes through it. And she, since I'd already had a little bit of a reputation was like, oh, this isn't

you cheated or something like that. Right. And I got pissed off, man. I was like, you know, I've been putting in my work and doing better. And so I end up cussing the teacher out. I think I'd call her a fucking bitch or something like that. And so was kicked out of that school as well. They had a red chair.

It was at Calvary Christensen school. It was at the bottom of the Highlands and the Palisades. And they had this wooden red chair that I'd have to sit in. I'd be sitting in that thing like all the time. But so I got kicked out of that school as well. And then that was the end of the private schools. After that, ended up going to the first public school.

You've gone through all the private schools. Went through burns, burned through those pretty quickly. Next up on the list was Marquez Elementary. That was fifth grade. And it was a public school. I do recall my father being there at like orientation day. And but sure enough,

I was actually in the Boy Scouts. And so there were some kids in my troop that actually went to this elementary school. And so these were actually the kids that I, like, first started smoking weed with. So I was, like, 10 years old. And we're at Marquez. I remember some of us having, like, cigarettes. And then one of my buddies had brought some little black cat fireworks to school.

And so I remember one day we're lighting these little fireworks and throwing them at some kids. End up almost getting kicked out of school for that. They actually let me stay for the remainder of that year. But it was at that point in time I was hanging out with my, my friends the guys I wanted to be cool with and just started drinking drinkings smoking trees and smoking cigarettes was pretty much what it started with I was like 10 years old basically it all started they all had like older siblings that's where it all stemmed from every we got all our stuff from them and in the palisades it was pretty uh you know affluential

town a lot of kids had money there so the older siblings that were about like 16 17 18 years old a few of these kids started overdosing on black and uh you know this was like pre fentany i don't know what else you use for that i think we used what did we use what did we said finny yeah yeah yeah excuse me so uh so the older siblings back in the day they were using black and so some of these kids were overdosing on black uh this was all pre-fennie days um so i'd stayed away from the black and i stayed away from the from the crystal uh just knew that that There was just a lot of bad stuff happening with that. So, but I'd blown through everything else pretty quickly.

By the time I was 13, it had gone through like all pharmaceuticals, um, had gone through, uh, stuff where you see a bunch of colors, you know, hallucinogens. I don't know, uh, were like acid or, yeah, had gone through, yeah, a bunch of acid, you know, mushrooms, stuff like that. Um, so burned through all that. It was pretty heavy, though. Um, guys, uh,

Girls that I would be dating, they had like older brothers that were selling a bunch of stuff. And so I was able to get a bunch of things from them. And so started selling, selling drugs at a pretty early age, about like 13. And this is what, just to pay for drugs or just to be cool. Just to be cool to supply my own habit. And, you know, just be a cool guy. That's all taking place. Still playing sports, though.

I was still kind of like a functioning addict at early age, which wasn't. necessarily a good thing i guess um did well in sports uh baseball i made like city all-star team um started playing football uh things were going okay i started skateboarding i was big into skateboarding but uh so it was just me and my brother my mom for quite a few years getting into like like about about 13 uh then she started dating a few guys guy that turns out to be her husband today I remember when they first started dating, he was a professor at UCLA, and he would come over. He would take us to some UCLA sporting events, some basketball games, stuff like that. But initially, when they first started dating, I really didn't like this guy, for whatever reason it was.

Say if my father would come by and he'd be at the house, and if he was coming over, he'd like wait down the street. He wouldn't have the balls to come and meet and be like, hey, you know, introduce himself or not anything. like that he would always just stay a couple blocks away so I don't know I didn't really have any respect for that I felt like you know as a man like it's known that you guys are dating like why don't you come up and like and meet this dude you know right so I was initially standoffish of him and of course anybody else she dated um there was this one occasion when he came over to the house who's in the evening time they went out they went through the house and went to the backyard and the backyard of the house had a big like a hillside behind it and on the hillside there was um there was like

a wooden jacuzzi and there was like a gazebo stuff like that and so they went walking through the backyard they went up uh they were up by the jacuzzi and uh me and my brother had our um had our pellet rifle guns and so i remember like got my brother and we got our got our rifles and we went out on the grass towards the house and like got down in the prone position and uh ended up letting one off and hitting this dude upside his head. And so, and so, the best part yet is the dude,

he, uh, drill him in his head and he like falls over backwards into this like, you remember those like old wooden jacuzzi? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it was one of those.

And so he goes like, it was like out of, you know, it was, uh, above the porch. And so he like goes up and over and like head over heels, you know,

into the jacuzzi. And, uh, after this, I like learned, come to find out the dude doesn't know how to swim but he was in the the navy reserves so i'm like how does that work yeah how are you how are you in the navy on how to swim anyways he's in the in the in the jacuzzi like fighting for his life and in a in a four-foot deep jacuzzi and uh my mom has to

like reach in and like help get him out of the jacuzzi and um he ends up they come out and he literally has to do like the walk of shame like down the walkway back into the house and uh me my brother just like on the ground rolling around laughing at this dude i mean he realizes you guys shot him right oh yeah oh yeah i was gonna say if it came from nowhere like i don't know what happened yeah it was the dude on the grassy knoll man right so just typical stuff like that being kids um but you're saying he stuck around like he stuck around and he's buried to your mom now yeah yeah they ended up yeah there's a lot of history with that um i guess like apparently so my mom she she moved out from the south. She was a real Southern Bell, 21. She moved, might have been 20. She moved from Louisiana to

California. And so in Los Angeles back then, her and some of her girlfriends, back then, you know, it was a little more classy. Things were a little different. They used to go to the Playboy Mansion. Right. And so back then it was a little bit classier. You know, she would go on like a movie night or a dinner night, stuff like that. So, So interesting enough, like when she was going there, her and my dad were dating. But right around that time, Hugh Heftner, I'd actually ask my mom to be the 25th anniversary centerfold. And she's, I guess, so she's thought about it.

And she actually, she told him no. She was like, she was like, oh, I plan to have kids pretty soon. And like, I don't want my kids to be seeing that or anything like that. Right. So I was like, you know what, mom? That's pretty gangster. Yeah. I'm like, you know how many times that dude's heard no?

in his life like I don't think very many you know so that was pretty sweet shout out to mom um so right around that time um my mom and my dad were dating uh so they were dating they got together for a while and so she was working at a uh she was working at an orthodontist office and uh was this orthodontist birthday and they had her jump out of uh out of a birthday cake for him so she jumped out and i And I guess that's when that was the first time my mom's husband had seen my mom, her future husband. His name's Spiro. I'll go ahead and name drop him.

So it was the first time Spiro had seen my mom. And so she got out of the cake, whatever. And my dad and my mom were dancing. And I guess Spiro had the audacity to come up and ask my mom for a dance. And which was like, my dad was a badass dude, man, or still is a badass dude. He um so back then in the day he was big in kempo karate um ed Parker who brought kempo karate was like that's when like Elvis was getting into like karate and so Elvis was teamed up with ed Parker um my dad actually sparred with Elvis a bunch of times there's pictures with my dad

and Elvis uh they were pretty close and um so my dad is uh he had fought like state championships won state championships and uh you know he's a sicilian guy So he, you know, it's like, so Spiro comes up and asks my dad if he can, or doesn't even ask, yeah, I think he asked my dad to dance with my mom. And so I think my dad, like, I don't know, allegedly, I don't know exactly what happened, but something happened and he kind of said a few, talk some shit to Spiro and like kind of punked him in front of all this room full of people. And so I guess, uh, it kind of, you know, worked on his ego a little bit. So I guess that, you know, there's more to come on that.

But that was initially when they first saw each other. And so fast forward back to when we were kids, they started dating a little bit. And everything seemed to be going OK. Like I mentioned, he was taking us to some UCLA basketball games. He was in sports medicine. He used to make the mouthguards for a lot of the sports teams. So initially, after I shot him, he stuck around.

So he got a little bit of respect. And he started taking us to those sporting events. He actually did take us to Kansas City. He was making the mouth guards for the Kansas City chiefs back then. So it took us to Kansas City, went to Arrowhead Stadium. We're in the locker room at Joe Montana, a bunch of guys around that era when that was going on, which was pretty cool times. And I appreciated that.

So at this point, it was like, okay, you know, you're kind of getting a pass, dude. Like, you're, you're all right. Right around that time, actually is when he asked my mother to marry him. And my mother asked me, she said, well, she's like what what's up what do you think i was like well i was like i don't i don't know i was like you know i don't know if this is the right question to ask today but i asked her i was like hey well does he make you happy and she was like yeah i'm like okay and uh asked her i was like is this something you want to do and she was like yeah i was like okay then i support it let's do it how old were you

uh i think i was i think at that point in time i was only 13 so this had happened you know wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life. You know the same way you can skip an ad. I get it. I'm Siyya and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today I'm still figuring it out. Somehow things usually get worse before they get better. Apparently, that's how I roll. So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Stream a new episode of North of North Tuesdays on CBC Gem. At that point I was 13, because the next events that come up, I know I was 14. So I was 13 at this time.

So gave her the green light and I was like, okay, what's up? So when are you getting married? What's going on? She's like, okay, well, I think we're going to go to Greece and get married. I was like, okay, cool, man. We're going to Greece. What's up? And she was like, well, I guess apparently we're just going.

You and your brother, Angelo, are going to stay here. that's kind of a red flag man like you know so that was the first red flag I should have really picked up on what so they got married there they got married here that was their honeymoon that they got married there oh okay got married there um so no family came you know my mother's parents wanted to go they didn't go or weren't allowed to go uh so it was just them to which was really kind of odd you know what i mean it's kind of disrespectful for you to not have the bride's parents come if they want to come stuff like that so it just whole thing just didn't really seem right in my opinion uh they got married and uh at that point in time he was getting ready to retire and so they was he was going to

go from los angeles down to coronado and so i tried to go into coronado for a couple of weeks and it just was not really the right area for me. It was a, it's kind of a retirement community. Back then, it was a lot more strict. Like, I was a kid on a skateboard and that was like really not welcomed anywhere. I'd get in trouble everywhere I was skateboarding and just wasn't the right place for me. I was like, these people are freaking stuck up. It's a bunch of rich people. I don't like it. So I'd asked if I could move in with my dad and stay in Los Angeles. So they actually, I didn't know all this, but apparently they went to court and a whole bunch of other things. and it was said that I could stay with my dad because my brother was going to go with my mom,

whatever that was about. So I moved in with my dad and things just progressively continued to get more and more out of hand. At that point of time, I was hanging out with friends. I'd take off on the weekend. I'd be gone all weekend and it would just be like a huge party fest. I wasn't getting into much trouble. It was starting to party pretty hard, though. This was like 14.

By the time I was 17, those two years, I was still going to school. Within those two years, actually, I mentioned I was in the Boy Scouts. So I think I around like 15 or something like that is when I graduated. I got my Eagle Scout, which is actually a pretty rare feat. It's not a lot of percentage of guys actually get their Eagle Scout with all the certifications and stuff that I got. If I had actually gone into service, gone in the military or any other like first responder organization, you're automatically promoted a few ranks just due to all the search that you have like life-saving all sorts of stuff so i got my eagle scout again was still with a group of buddies that i used to just get in a lot of trouble with

um right around that time and we were doing silly stuff i mean it's not the typical boy scouts like we're in there we're always smoking trees uh we went on a trip to hawaii uh we'd go cliff cliff diving and uh we'd get we'd get some much get some fungi from some of the local people there so we're taking a bunch of fungi and like going cliff jumping all sorts of stuff uh we would go to catalina island there catalyna island since it was a wealthier troop that i was with from the with the with the boy scouts in the pacific palisades our troop actually had access to a bunch of like ski boats and so which was a rare thing so when we go to catalina island we know we'd have ski boats we were like you know ski bob and all that stuff and uh i remember one of the one of the times we uh it was on it was on

the side of like twin falls and twin falls is like one of the main harbors for catalina island and so not only were there like boy scout camps but there was a bunch of like uh like girl scout camps stuff like that so uh we would go to twin harbors during the day and i remember us meeting a bunch of girls there but we were with one of the scout scout leaders there so we just kind of like played it played it on the quiet side. And so we ended up going back to camp, me and a bunch of my buddies were talking. We'd always sneak off, go smoke some trees. And we're like, hey, like, let's go. Let's go a couple of the scow leaders, these dudes were, they would snore super loud. Like they were, they were knocked out at night. So we're like, hey, you know, we can probably go creep on some of these boat keys and go take

one of the boats out at night and go meet these chicks. So that, of course, happened. Got some of the boat keys went took the ski boat out you know we're smoking and drinking on the on the on the on the on the speed boat and uh went met some girls at the girl scout camp typical stuff as kids I don't know but um good times man had a lot of good times graduated the boy scouts uh though at this point of time then I'm starting to get into like later years in high school didn't the later years in high school uh things were starting to get pretty pretty like active in L.A um you know they had already had the riots back then in 92 but so this is like 96 97 um uh was at palisades high school and uh remember the first kind of thing that was kind of hectic was um i wasn't at school

i was actually i was ditching school at that point in time or off smoking whatever and uh there was there was a few gangs at my high school it was a uh integrated high school so uh like 80 percent of the kids were bused in from inner city Los Angeles so from all over from Compton Englewood all over. So there was a like I mentioned a few gangs at our high school there was this one kid that went to our school he was from some notorious Crip gang and there were some bloods at my school they were from I think they were from bounty hunters and they had gotten into it and so one day at that school like I mentioned I was gone. These guys pulled up, pulled up in a car and pulled a drive by at the front of my school

and hit, actually hit the one Crip kid, hit him one time. Our football coach got shot in the leg and they ended up speeding off, got in a high speed pursuit. It was all over the news and they ended up catching the guys. That was kind of like the first first kind of incident with any kind of gang stuff that was going on around that same point in time though. I was hanging out. One of buddies that I grew up with from the time I was in sixth grade stayed you know close to like mid-city area which is which is like not far from the rampart district back the rampart just okay the movie training day yeah yeah okay so that's like about the rampart district okay there were some notorious cops that were corrupt cops that were in the rampart district

they were stealing a bunch of drugs from the evidence room selling it they were like a straight gang right like back then um within whether it was in in corrections there were like gangs between deputies uh it was just like that in the in the police division and so the cops that were in the neighborhood in my buddy's neighborhood that i was growing up with uh were like another gang um literally like if you pulled up we're at the stoplight and we pulled up and they pulled up and you just like looked over to look at him to be like what the fuck you looking at and like Yeah, yeah, they pull you out the car, do all sorts of wild shit. So some of my buddies from that neighborhood,

since he was my best friend that I grew up with, I was hanging out with him and hanging out in that neighborhood quite a bit for the previous few years. And so a lot of our buddies, we were all just from like a crew back then. Back then it was like tagging crews. We were going and tagging all over the city. We had actually gotten to be pretty big. We were from like downtown L.A. all the way to the beach.

We were up everywhere, like all over the place, which was kind of uncommon at that point in time. We'd gotten pretty big. And so things were divided back then. Like gangs wouldn't interact with crews just because it was kind of like two different. It was like the major leagues versus the minor leagues. But I guess we had gotten so big that a lot of gangs started to beef with us. And so we were getting into it with all sorts of gangs.

We were like younger teenagers. These guys were a little bit older. And there was one incident. We're at the Santa Monica Pier and ran into some guys, seeing some guys that were from this gang. And they ran up while we were in our car. We're actually literally on the Santa Monica Pier. And it's middle of the daytime.

There's people everywhere. And so these guys come up and start trying to, like, you know, punch the car and stuff like that. So my buddy that's driving just literally like runs over these two guys in front of us and then like throws it in reverse and backs up over these guys and went like back and forth over these dudes a few times. And you're in the car? Yeah. How do they fare? I don't know. We didn't let. I mean, it was it was madness. People were everywhere like, oh my God, what's going on, you know? And so we end up just getting out of there. but uh things so things started to progress like that was an entry thing uh we're going to house parties

uh in i was at a house party in venice and i had a few of my buddies from the neighborhood come over to the house party and uh sure enough some guys from one of the local gangs showed up and uh we're in the backyard and so we weren't you know we had nobody had any weapons really or anything we're still kind of young and so these guys show up but then we just so it was just like literally like a beer bottle breaking contest and like vodka bottle breaking contest over each other's heads you know and uh guys jumping through some guy jumped through like the living room window of this house it was my it was a girl that was a friend of mine it was her mom's house and uh so like that big windows broke there's blood all over the the whole backyard they trampled the back fence

down uh that's actually where i got hit on the side of my head right here it's split my face open and these were like regular occurrences these were happening all the time um this is all related to the the public school you were going to right so starting going to public schools yeah and so yeah palisades high school is a public school as well uh things just started progressing uh at that point in time we're getting into our later teenage years uh was about 17 uh my father ends up telling me at that point in time

they're making me go to therapy and stuff stuff. And they were like, okay, if you don't straighten out, you're going to be kicked out of here on your birthday. And so it was about like six months to my birthday. And I just knew I was like, you know what, this isn't going anywhere. I don't see this happening. So I had an opportunity to move out of the house. Um, where a girlfriend that I was dating. Uh, she lived in Topanga Canyon. Tepanga Canyon is like home of like the hippie kids. Like all the hippies from L.A. moved up out of the city and it's a panga canyon and so all their all those kids are about my age you know all the adults were like hippie ex-hipies and stuff like right so it was a big like drug air drug

neighborhood it's up in the mountains it's close to malibu it's like up in the hills and um it's like the movie uh valley was it valley girl you didn't ever see this movie you never see you remember the movie valley girl you don't remember valley girl no um nicholas cage was in it it was like like his first movie Valley girl and they were and her parents were hippies. Okay. And they lived in the valley, wherever the valley is. I don't know where the valley is.

Yeah, it's funny. The valley is just on the other side. So Topanga Canyon separates from the coast to the valley. See? Yeah. Not a little bit. But yeah, it was crazy in Topanga.

You know, everybody's doing a bunch of drugs, all sorts of stuff. Parents were okay with it. They were doing back then in like Fox News. They had this like Fox undercover thing. I don't know if you're like I guess it was they would do. So we're at a bunch of these parties and me and a bunch of my buddies, we're selling drugs.

And, you know, we would bring tanks, nitrous tanks. And you say that or whatever. Yeah, we'd bring those tanks. We'd be selling balloons to kids and all that. And so remember there's just one kid with a video camera. We didn't recognize them. And so like I didn't like it first off. I'm like, I don't like this guy.

But over the next few weekends, we keep seeing this guy. And I'm like, okay, I guess it's all right. It's not a big deal. He's got a video camera. Yeah, he's got a video camera, which didn't happen very often back then. And so then like a couple months later, uh, they were doing these like Fox undercover things on, on the news every once in a while. They'd come out where there was some undercover thing that was going on. And so I remember I'm sitting there watching TV and this Fox undercover thing comes on. And it's like kids in an upscale neighborhood when parents are out of town and it starts showing shows like me, shows a bunch of my buddies it shows us like selling uh mdMA or whatever you want to call that

pills and stuff right and um selling balloons and all sorts of stuff it like blurs out some of our faces it doesn't blur out other people's faces uh well how old were you uh it was maybe like 15 16 something like that and uh there was one kid who's a friend of mine he lived in the palisades and he's like sitting there and uh they i think they blur out his face, but so the kid is actually watching this with his grandparents. He lives at his grandparents' house and this comes on and they're like, uh, they're like, that kind of looks like you. And he's like, that's not me. That's not me. And then all of a sudden their phone starts ringing off the hook. He like picks it up. They're like, dude, you're on the news. Dude,

you're on. So he got, his cover got blown. But yeah, so it was just all sorts of madness was happening. Um, at that point in time, we're getting a little bit older. And so it was like, you know, kids graduated. Like my book. that were in the inner city like by that rampart district graduated to start going from being in like a crew a little tagging crew to then being from a gang and gangs in that neighborhood were some pretty big time gangs like they're gangs that are still known like they're all over the country and stuff like that so a few of my buddies started getting from the neighborhood and then at that point in time like they're they're putting in work Um, guys are guys are catching bodies. Guys are disappearing.

Guys are upper middle class kids that are now. Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. No, yeah. This was, this was me by myself. Like I, one of my buddy, the buddy that I was my best friend from sixth grade, he lived in, in the, he lived in like mid city. He lived in the neighborhood.

So I would hang out with him. And I'd be like one of the, one of the only white guys in the neighborhood is predominantly black in his neighborhood. Hispanic neighborhood. And so a bunch of guys that you know in that group that are now joining gangs that are now, you know, putting in work. Right. Yeah. They were the guys that I was that, that I was in this crew with our little tagging crew. I was a bunch of Hispanic kids and graduated to serious. To the big leagues. Yeah, absolutely, man. Yeah, started getting real. Guys were getting guys were getting, guys were getting locked up for, you know, 25 years. Um, had one buddy, uh, who really

just kind of got pretty crazy with it he uh used to like to smoke uh embalming fluid and um and he he he he would like to go go shoot people like that's what he like to do and so he'd be like hey let's do like no man like let's go hang out with some girls man right and he's like no no no no no like let's go do this and it's like nah i'm good man and um so it started getting crazy i mean he was um shooting so many people around the neighborhood that a lot of the a lot of the blacks that were in that neighborhood started moving out of the neighborhood it was getting that bad it was going around to different parts of the city shooting guys I mean there was all everything was special circumstances like a lot of these you know they were like overkill like when murders are special

circumstances it's because they can be overkill stuff like that and so a lot of these bodies we're having like 20 bullets in the body like eight bullets in the head and these aren't people that these are just people he randomly is coming across or no he'd go to like they'd be at parties and there'd be other neighborhood gang members gang members from rival neighborhoods right yeah so they're gang members shooting other gang members okay yeah not random people um and it got he used to get pretty wild i mean uh this buddy of mine he ended up uh being wanted for like over 35 homicides ended up getting caught. It was all over the news.

They called him like a hunter of human beings. Yeah, it was pretty. And how old are you? At that point in time, about like 18. Okay. Getting close. I was about almost 20 right around that time. That was before he ended up getting in trouble.

Well, all this stuff was taking place. I was like, I was like, man, this is nuts, man. Like, I got to get out of here. And so the girlfriend that I was dating, she wanted to move to Arizona. and I was like, that sounds like a great idea. So I decided to go to Arizona to Tucson just to kind of get away and try and go to. I graduated high school. I got my diploma.

Right. But I wanted to go there, try and go to college. So moved out to Tucson. And at that point, was still brought a bunch of, bought a bunch of trees with me. So I went out there. We had a few buddies that were from, from Los Angeles that had moved out there. And so we had a few guys set up there. But I went there. I was still selling trees, trying to go to school, wasn't really going to school, was working, and it was just a vicious cycle. Then fell into the same thing. You know, it's just like I just did the geographical change. I didn't change any of my bad habits. So I was there selling drugs, partying, spinning my wheels. About a year or two goes by. And my girlfriend then at that point in time was like, you know what, I'm going to move back to California. She's like, I'm over it here. And I was like, okay, well, I guess, you

you're not inviting me. So I guess I'm staying. So stayed right around that time is actually, uh, I bought a car from a buddy of mine and his dad owned a car lot. And so just bought the car off of them, didn't have insurance on the car. So I'm driving the car just to and from work. I've had the car and I'm not taking it out on the weekends. I'm like, I don't want to, you know, jeopardize it. So about like three weeks into it, I'm like there's a there's a big, uh, like party at some college housing apartment housing complex so i'm like we're going man so i get a few of my buddies um brought my dog i had just gotten a pit bull that was uh uh he was already a little bit older he was like part of a rescue place so i got him go up to this house party and right around

that time you know i was heavily influenced by music you know and it was a thing in music these days about like i can drink a whole hennessee fifth i think it was an exhibit song and um So I'm like, okay, I'm going to drink a whole fifth of Hennessy. And so go to this house party, drink a whole fifth of Hennessy, didn't let anybody else touch it, drank the whole thing. And I remember I had my dog with me. And the guy that had the party was like giving me shit about my dog because he had like this little lap dog and didn't like the fact. My dog was by my side the entire time.

I'm like, this fucking guy, whatever. So we're like going to his apartment, like open up his freezer. I take some of his alcohol. I like drink some of his alcohol. I throw it back in the freezer, slam the door. And at that point, I'm like, all right, man, let's get out of here. Let's leave. So later on, I end up finding out this one of my buddies that took my keys from me.

Didn't know it, but apparently I had my keys at that point in time. I'm like, all right, so let's leave. So I get all my buddies, we get in the car and we're pulling off. And a couple days prior, I'd gotten a flat tire. So there was a spare tire on one of the, I think it was a back wheel. and remember we get in the car and I started playing uh that's when uh that song move bitch get out the way right little ludicrous song it just come out so remember i just put some like speakers in the car had hooked up the sound system and so we get in the car i'm like bumping this song

and so of course i started speeding right and um we get out of this college complex and then there's uh the community college across the street so there's like a long straightaway with two green lights and so we start going and I remember I catch the first green light and so by this time I'm getting up there in speed so now I'm doing like it's like I'm doing like 110 120 and a little Toyota can't a Toyota corolla little Toyota corolla with a with a spare tire on the back and uh I remember I'm in there and my buddy started like they're talking to me from the back seat and I'm like and literally just as I say like I turn around to say like shut the fuck up man I'm driving just as I say that I drift like about a foot to the left and I end up hitting a pedestrian curb island like a little you know curve island

and boom whole floorboard comes up even with the center council we spin I think we took out a pole some of us like get out of the car my one buddy gets out the car runs and goes stashes like a couple ounces of powder like I get out of the car and I stand up and I literally like collapse I was like man what the fuck like I've broken my ankles numerous times safe to skateboard for years And so like I know how to like I felt a broken ankle before. So I try to stand up again. I like knew my left foot was pretty bad. But my right foot I literally couldn't put any weight on it.

Like something was really wrong with it. Regardless, I tell everybody like, hey, get the fuck back in the car, man. I'm gonna start the car. And so they go and they get in the car. I remember trying to start the car. Of course, it's dead. Nothing works. I'm ever seeing the car like a few weeks later.

I was like, I can't believe I told people to get back in the car. The thing was fucking wrecked. And so in the car trying to start it. doesn't start next thing you know cops pull up and i guess i was so pissed off about the car i was like now i just bought this car there's no fucking insurance i was so pissed uh apparently they didn't like breathalized me or anything they didn't mess i mean i know i reeked like alcohol but sure enough next thing you know i'm in the hospital and um uh turns out i ended up like shattering my right foot uh would later end up need like needing reconstructive surgery which still bothers me to this

day. I walk with a limp. It's pain in the ass. Don't get in trouble for the car. Wake up the next day. Everything's all messed up. I finally get out of the hospital about a week later. I'm at my house smoking on the couch and I hear a knock on the door and I hear Anthony and my neighbor's name was Anthony. So I think it's my neighbor, you know, knocking on my door. Right. And so I'm like, yeah, come on in. So they open the door and it's a couple of sheriffs and they come walking in. I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, all right, well, come on in, man. And so they come walking in, they kind of like started looking around. I got like a four foot.

I got like a four foot or water pipe you want to call it or whatever laid up against the couch. I got like a smaller one on the table and there's like a big joint burning on the ashtray. And I'm just like, and they're like, yeah, they were like, you were here. You have a dog and I was like, yeah. And they're like, well, they were like, we're here to arrest you for animal cruelty. I'm like, what? They're like, yeah, we just got your dog.

your dog was brought in. Apparently he was involved in a car accident like two weeks ago. And I was like, yeah, I was like, I was like, as you can see, I was like, I was in the hospital. I was like, I just got out of the hospital. I had the paperwork right there. I was like, I just got out of the hospital. You know, the dog hurt? So I guess apparently he had his jaw.

I don't know, he had something wrong with his jaw. I don't know exactly what it was. But so I had gotten out of the hospital and didn't know where my dog was. So I'm calling around trying to find my dog. dog takes me about a day to find my dog so he's at one of the kennels in the city so uh find out where he's at and then i have my buddy paul my buddy paul goes and picks up my dog from the from the kennel place and takes the dog to the vet this was one day i'm out of the hospital picks up the dog see there's something wrong with his jaw takes me to the to the vet and so we're like okay cool that's

where it was like left at and i guess he was at the vet for a few days and they didn't know that i was in the And so they had figured the original car accident date was a couple weeks prior. That's why they called. So I show them all the paperwork and they're like, okay, we're we're going to arrest you, but I can see that it was like you're in the hospital, then you find him, but you're still going to have to go to court. Okay. So I end up going to court a few weeks later.

They see I show them the paperwork and they were like, okay, we'll come back in three weeks. You know, we will settle this. Okay. Go back to court three weeks later and they call the case. and I kind of show him I'm like hey like I mean I'm in I'm in the hospital I'm out a day I find him the next day and he's at the vet the next day right what's up where's my dog at and dude from the dude in the pews behind me he's like he's like hey if they have a pit bull or a rottweiler longer than like a couple of weeks they put him to sleep and so I'm like what

and so they're like okay then court of the judge is like okay well we see that this is you know see what's going on here we're just going to leave your case open you know boom it hits the gavel and I'm like whoa whoa I'm like wait a minute like where's my dog at man I'm like I show you I'm in the hospital like there's obviously not animal cruelty like what the fuck's the deal man and the prosecution was like a board it was like a bunch of bunch of bunch of women that didn't look like they were straight you know what I mean there's a bunch of a bunch of lesbians on the prosecution board right and and and I'm sitting there I'm like are you kidding me and like I'm like so did you guys put my dog to sleep I'm sitting here in court I'm sitting here

fighting my case and before I can prove that I'm innocent you guys are going to put my dog to sleep right I was like how how hypocritical is that man like that's what's wrong with your guys system I start talking shit to the judge and uh he starts banging his gavel he's like get out of here before I hold you in contempt da da da da da da da da da da da I just started letting him have it man but uh my buddy that was there kind of helped remove me from the courtroom uh where was the dog they put the dog to sleep. So I thought the guy had just said that they, this is what they do. Yeah, they put the dog to sleep before I could even prove that that what was going on before I could prove my innocence. They put they had already by then put the dog just sleep. Yeah, crazy. I rescued the dog from that, you know,

I was my negligence doing what I did and I'm putting the dog in the situation. Like I take ownership of that. You know, that's my fault. However, that shows a big kind of hole in the system right there, you know. Arizona's madness man just just you know did the geographical change I'm there just just screwing up so two two and a half years goes by I have a friend of mine that's living in Austin Texas that I grew up with in the Palisades and he's like hey come out this way he had gotten big into like the underground music scene which was real big in Austin back then or still is and so I went out to Texas was in Texas again with the mission to go to

school but I'm still in my addiction so it's like I just did the geographical change again. So I end up just working because I'm a functioning addict, you know, and start working for a sales company. There's a fundraising company. And I'm there for a few weeks and they asked me to get into management. So I got into management. I went from managing a section of the office to a couple of sections in the office.

And then I ended up running the entire office. It was like about 125 people. So what was a, it's a fundraising company? Fundraising company. For what? They were actually doing fundraising for police and fire organizations. Okay. Yeah.

And, you know, it was one of those real kind of shady organizations. I mean, they're actually pretty well known, like the fraternal order of police, like, FOP. There's like pretty big organizations that are actually okay with it, but the organization can keep up to, like, they can keep like up to 80 percent. And in some cases, even more than that, you know, some of these nonprofit, 501s. So you're getting a hundred bucks and the cops are getting maybe 20. 20 bucks but obviously the association is okay with it um that's why they have the contract to begin

with but still in my opinion that's not a very fair percentage yeah um these guys the company i was working for they were a bunch of a bunch of dudes from a new brunswick jersey a bunch of jersey guys right and uh they ended up the f tc ended up coming after them for like i don't know how many millions of dollars but they were they were doing it big they were buying up like cold as sacks and Jersey like these guys were crushing it they had so they had like 53 offices nationwide um the office i was working for was one of the bottom earning offices uh once i kind of took over and was running the office there uh within management uh took it to being like one of the top earning offices in the country it was like between one and three was always flipping around uh so did that for a few years

uh was dating some girl that was a stripper you know just living that kind of crazy lifestyle and they were going to give me an office to open in L.A. They were like, hey, we're going to open a few offices in California. We'd like you to go open the Los Angeles office. Okay, cool. Run it, send it. So time gets close to me, excuse me, going and opening that office. And one of these guys back in Jersey, one of their cousins had gotten in trouble and was like, needed to get out of there.

So they're like, all right, we're going to give the L.A. office to this guy. We want you to go up to Modesto to open the office in Modesto. I was like, man, I'm not going to Modesto. Modesto is not a very nice area. And so I was like, all right, well, you know, I'd been gone from California for about six and a half years. I missed my family. My brother had at that point in time started a construction company in San Diego.

So it was actually doing pretty good. And so I was like, all right, I'm going to go to San Diego, link up with my brother. I'd been gone, missed him for, you know, X so many years and help grow this construction company with him. So move out to San Diego. and you know he was partying a little bit you know we were doing a bunch of doing a bunch of powder and construction company is going good he was doing some commercial and residential was building some like beauty salons in san diego some upper end uh like uh you know where they do all like the

laser treatment and all that kind of stuff some high end salons then was also doing some residential homes in coronado so got out to California to link up with him and um things were pretty good it was really good to spend some time around my brother like when we were growing up we were very very close like we're only three and a half years apart um he was like my better half you know i did all the typical older brother stuff you know put him in a shopping card and like push him down a hill and just like fucking shit like all the all the cool typical stuff man so but it made a real tough tough son of a bitch younger brother i mean this kid was tough man like never saw this kid back down from any situation

ever. That's rare. Yeah, in any situation. I mean, no matter how bad this situation was, he never backed down. Um, is your stat was your dad still around at this time? Is he also running a construction company or? No, he had, uh, at that point in time, he actually had started working again. Uh, he had gone through, uh, when my parents divorced, um, it was because in that, the early 90s, there was a big housing crash. So he had had a few houses on the market in the palisades that the bank ended up taking over. So there was a lot of financial issues taking place when they, when they got divorced. He had about 60 guys on his construction company.

And so he was still carrying all these guys when all this stuff was taking place. And it was like dwindling away their savings account. He just didn't want to, you know, let these guys go and stuff like that. My dad was a good, good dude. And so a lot of the financial issues were a big cause in the separation of my parents. So he had gone through a bunch of other lines of work after that, had retired for a little bit. But then at that point in time, when I came back to California, he was actually in the construction industry. He was a superintendent on a custom spec house in Bel Air.

Like, I think the house was like, I think it was like 96, 9800 square feet. A nice big custom house in Bel Air. So I'm in San Diego with my brother. And actually, my father had called. said that they were pissed off at the masonry guys uh they had screwed it up and if we wanted to come up and bid uh like a sub slab area in the backyard for the pool equipment and to bid a a retaining wall property line so we're like yeah for sure so we came up there got that work and it turned into oh we ended up getting the entire backyard i mean it was like about like 4 000 square feet

of flagstone a bunch of other hardscape pool like mosaic tile uh It was probably about like, I don't know, three or $400,000 worth of work. We started then going from house to house. They were, it was investment developing. And so this was about 2007, just about a little before 2008. And we started going from house to house. And each of these houses, I mean, the smallest one was the 9,600 square feet. The biggest house we worked on was like 19,000 square feet.

And each house were doing all of the hardscape. We're doing some interior tile work, mostly, mostly masonry work. And so we're making a lot of money at that point in time. I mean, we're getting some pretty good paychecks. You know, every two weeks, we're getting paychecks for like 50,000, stuff like that. And so we're, I mean, I'm 26. My brother's 23. Right. So, you know, we're buying brightling, brightling watches with the diamond bezel and diamond bracelets and all sorts of silly stuff.

I was just going to say stupid, spinning it stupidly. I mean, we were burning money. We were living in L.A. at the time. So we would come down to San Diego for the weekend. So we would leave like Thursday come down the weekend. We leave Thursday coming to San Diego. Back then we'd stay like the Hard Rock Hotel. Back then they had like those big pool parties, like the intervention pool parties.

It's kind of like they had a rehab in Vegas. There's these big pool parties where kids were partying and all sorts of stuff. so we'd go down to the hard rock we'd get a cabana that was like 20 grand for the weekend uh we'd have you have bottle service you know VIP stuff all that all that crap burning money so it would be like Thursday maybe Friday at the latest we would go down uh do all this stuff and we'd be partying hard man like me and my brother between the two of us we would go through like an ounce of powder uh like within a day a little more than a day uh uh uh So we're hitting it hard, man.

You know, pool parties, all that stuff. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. By Sunday, everybody's gone, but we're still there. And so it would be like Sunday, we're still partying. And then like Monday would come around. We're still kind of partying. I remember we'd go down to go down to the lobby and they'd have like one of the restaurants. I forget what it was called.

And so we'd go down there to order some cocktails. And we'd see all these people in their suits and everything, right? And I remember this one time, man, my brother's hilarious. dude he was like we're sitting there like looking at we're starting to get all paranoid we've been up for a few days you know what i mean we see all these people in suits and uh we're looking at the drinks and my brother says i'll order a my tie it's like it didn't have a tie so everybody else was wearing ties so i'm like bro you're you're a jackass man just dad jokes yeah and so you know i i like i'm grateful for the memories you know what i mean it was dumb stuff that we were doing

I can laugh at it now, you know what I mean? But it was just madness, bro. It was just absolutely crazy. I mean, we're spending so much money. So then we'd maybe make it back up to L.A. by like Tuesday or Wednesday, all paranoid, like driving, like looking over our shoulders, thinking the cops are following us, you know, like it was not good for work purposes. You know, there would be times where my brother would go off and do things or, you know,

he would like to gamble a lot. So he'd be in Vegas. I'd get a call from one of our buddies. talking about, hey, I just had to let Angelo borrow 20 grand, man, like, what's up? And I'm like, it's cool. We'll take care of it. Don't worry about it. But things were just really wild, pretty crazy. One incident, I was with my brother. It was actually a family affair. We had gone to Lake Havasu, the Colorado River out there, and went out there. Family was out there, but of course, we just take all our drugs with us and we'd be partying. So we'd be out on the,

we're out on the river one day. We had sea do's. I remember in our sea do, we had like a ball of gray goose we had a bunch of powder in there and so we're sitting there you know taking g doing a bunch of blow drinking alcohol on the c-dus all day evening rolls around they're like okay we're gonna have a dinner like okay so we go to dinner try to eat some food because we haven't eaten any food all day and um don't really eat any food drink more cocktails and uh plan was to be up on the water uh the next morning and so i'm like all right i'm like hey angelo man i'm gonna go lay down, man. I need to try and get some kind of rest. He's like, no, man, let's go hit the tables. And I'm like, no, dude, let's go lay down. He's like, no, man, let's hit the tables. I'm like, dude,

I'm going to go lay down. Like, if you want to go hit the tables, go ahead. So he goes, he would play blackjack. You know, we would play blackjack. And so he goes and hits the tables. I go upstairs and lay down. Apparently, my brother's at the table just like kind of shoveling chips towards the dealer, like barely even conscious, doesn't know what he's doing. And my dad actually comes walking up and sees what's going on and starts talking shit to the dealer like hey what the what the fuck's wrong with you man like you're actually dealing this kid so my dad goes to pick my brother up my brother's a big kid man he's like he wasn't as tall he was maybe like 510 i think he was 5 9 he'd like to say he was 6 foot but he was 5 9 and uh but he was like 250 he's a big kid so my dad tries my dad's a big dude

he's about six feet tall and so he like picks my brother up and he's trying to walk him back to the elevator and my brother drops out in the middle of the casino floor and starts like foaming at the mouth. And what happened? What? He's overdosing. Oh, okay.

Too much G, too much powder, too much alcohol. Okay. And so he's laid out on the floor foaming at the mouth. And my dad actually causes a pretty big scene and actually gets them to call an ambulance pretty quickly. If that hadn't happened too much time, definitely would have gone by. So actually able to call an ambulance, the EMTs get there, get them on there. And I guess they get them.

breathing. And so next thing, you know, I wake up at the bed and my dad's at the foot of my bed with my brother's, uh, uh, uh, girlfriend at the time. And they're like, Angela's in the hospital, man, he just, just laid out. And so get dressed real quick. We go to the hospital. Get out the car and I'm kind of beelining into the hospital pretty quickly. And my brother's girlfriend's kind of keeping up with me. So I get in there and I find out where he's at. I go up to the room and the doctor's like, hey, they're like, okay, like, so what did he have? What did he consume? And his girlfriend's like, he didn't do anything. He drank a little alcohol. I was like, man, shut the fuck bitch like I was like I told me exactly like I was like this is we've been doing G all day we've been

doing a bunch of powder a bunch of alcohol and they're like okay cool so that way they just don't give them enough stuff yeah yeah and she's they need it yeah they need to know yeah absolutely just so they they can not do or you know whatever so I she really kind of you know she was all bad man I told my brother from day one his girlfriend I'm like dude she's a tweaker she's not good and she was like he was like no no no she's not it later came out that she was a tweaker she was all bad and that whole story continues, you know. As soon as we leave the hospital, I see my brother. So we go down there and my brother kind of wakes up and he's got these tight ass hospital

pants on. And back then we used to watch that movie, Nacho Libre a lot. And it was like, and so he's like laid out on the bed and he kind of sits up and he's got a gut on him. So he's got this gut and these tight ass pants on. And so I walk in the room, I'm like, Nacho. So we just started laughing. bro like we're always having a good time we're always just cracking jokes just people would always want to

be around us because we're always having a good time you know so of course here he is almost died and we're sitting here laughing at the thing you know so he has to stay for a little while later what i was getting as then so we end up leaving and she as soon as we get back to the hotel man my brother's girlfriend like runs up to the room goes in the safe and takes a bunch of the money out of there to go like burn the money gambling you know what i mean so she's just no good It's the first of a, not the first, but that's just one of many things that she's just had done. Madness continues, man. From there at that point in time, things, uh, things actually, me and my brother started

butt in heads, actually, because, uh, my, because that girl would cause, she didn't know, I had first gotten in trouble about a year, year or two prior. First time I got in trouble was 26 years old. A girl that I had known from high school, I had ran back into when we moved up to L.A. because we're doing all the construction work. She was bat-shit crazy. So I started dating this girl. And she just was a bad alcoholic.

She couldn't control her drinking. She ends up attacking me one night. And I end up getting out of the house. The neighbors had called the cops. And so back then, it was like, if there's a domestic call, the guy goes to jail. So I go to jail. I have like eight hematoma bite marks all over my body

that they take pictures of. But still, they're charging me with a case. And she initially, I talked to her initially, and she was like, I was like, hey, this isn't cool. Like, you know you attacked me. Like, this isn't right. Like, I didn't even lay a hand on you. Like, I was raised by my mom.

Like, I don't get down like that. And she's like, no, no, I know. I'll make everything. I'll fix it. I'm like, okay, cool. So we end up going to court and she shows up with her mom. And her mom doesn't like me. Her mom knew me from when I was in high school.

She's like, that's a trouble kid. And so she was still being supported by her mom. So evidently she had told, her mom had told her, if you don't testify against him, I'm going to cut you off. So she gets on stand, testifies against me. A whole bunch of holes in her story. However, I had never been in the system before and didn't really know that like, hey, I need to take this to the box.

I should have taken it to trial. Right. Because it would have been dismissed. But scare tactics. I got caught up on January 20th. So I was in there fighting the case, January, February, March, April. And you're locked up the whole time?

Yeah, I'm locked up the whole time fighting the case. Oh, shit. Yeah, we had a public defender. You can't get it. They can't let you out on bond or is it domestic? No, well, initially we didn't think it was going to go anywhere. They could have, I could have got, I would have had, I had bail, but we didn't think it would go that long.

Like, I ended up going to like my prelims. And that's when she like testified against me. And so then I went to the next thing and it was like, okay, well, this should be kicked out. This is ridiculous. You know, it's not even a case, but it kept going. And so like after two or three times in court, we went ahead and brought in a private attorney. And then once my private attorney showed up, they started backpedaling a little bit. They were like, okay, you know, I was starting to get some action in the courtroom. And so the, they had offered me a deal. And my attorney was like, we're not taking that. Nope, we're not doing that. He's like, they still want the felony. We're not doing that. Absolutely not. We'll come back. It was then at that point was going to be. jury selection. So that would be the last time you'd have a deal before you start trial. And he's like, no, we're not taking that. We'll come back and get a better deal. I'm like, okay, cool, man. Finally, I thought I had something going for me. So that next court date, he ends up getting called into a murder case that he has. And so it's a some fill in,

some girl shows up. And I literally remember being at the table and they're looking at the prosecution and the prosecution sees her come in and they take one folder off the desk. and put another folder on the desk. And I'm like, mm, that's not good. And so they come to tell us and it was the same deal they offered. So obviously they had another deal that they were gonna give me, but saw that the filling was there. And so they put my original deal back on the table.

And she didn't know anything about the case. And so it was either take this deal or then take it to trial. And if I- Well, he probably would have come back for the trial, but it was like, I didn't wanna go to trial because it was like, if I went to trial, like my max was four years. was like from one to four and I was 26 and I was like I never been in trouble before I'm like man I was like I could go to a prison until I'm 30 years old and I was like I never I didn't even touch

this is fucking crazy and so the deal was so the deal they go okay it'll still be a felony it's 52 weeks anger management class uh three years probation um if you take this deal today you could be out today tomorrow or maybe in two weeks and I was like okay so basically worst case scenario I'm out of here in two weeks and they're like yes like okay all right I'll take the deal and worst mistake I ever made be making myself a felon take the deal that's April 10th right and so I go back to I go back to housing a few a week goes by two weeks go by nothing three weeks go by four weeks it's about my close to my birthday the end of May and I call my attorney I'm like dude what's up man's way over two weeks he's like

dude, I just looked at your release date in the computer. It's August 3rd. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, that's, that's it. He's like, I'm like, dude, no way. They told told me in court two weeks. He's like, I don't, but that's, that's just what it is. I was like, no, dude. I was like, I want to pull the minute report. That's not what's was stated in court. He's like, that's, it's just what it is. I was like, wow. So I ended up staying until August 3rd was my release date. Got released in August. This one, uh, so that my brother at first, start dating that girl before I got in trouble. When I got out, they'd been dating for about a year. The night I got arrested was the first night they went on to date. She was actually, they were there

during the whole incident. So I get out and that's when I finally got to know her a little bit. And I told my brother that she was all bad. Once I got out and she kind of realized how close me and my brother were. She started doing everything she could to put some space between us. So unfortunately, that started happening. Me and my brother started buttoned heads. And so we kind of went on our own, went our own ways. I then started working with an HVAC company that was a friend of my dad's. And at this point in time, I'm almost 30. At that point in time, I lost my, lost my, my, everything that was going on.

So I started hanging out with some guys that were from my neighborhood where I lived. And a few of these guys were smoking crystal. So I decided to smoke crystal at 30 years old and was the worst mistake I ever made. man. I was going to say, does anybody ever say best mistake or selling crystal, best mistake our best decision I wrote. Yeah, it was the best mistake I ever made. Oh, man. You know, I mean, I've been doing stuff and it was like, oh, wow, this is great. Like this is, you know, now I'm just good for like a day or two, you know, but so I start smoking crystal. But I'm still going to work, showing up on time, but they know something's up. And so work is like, hey, you need to go to rehab or

you don't have a job. And I was like, well, I've never been late. I haven't missed a day at work. I was like, well, I guess I don't have a job. So there went the job. So job went. And then next thing you know, the apartment goes. And, and then I'm on my own. And, uh, what is on my own means? I was homeless. Yeah, I was homeless. Yeah. I was on the street. And, um, quickly moved into, uh, I had a car that I'd gotten towed just when I started all this madness started, uh, because I hadn't paid a ticket or something and lost the car. So then I was out. I was homeless. So then I started stealing cars to have a car. I ended up getting my hands on this. How do you steal a car? You just, you just end up getting a hold of things, man, when you're living that life. Like so it was, I was with some

buddies, one of the first times. It was like, I'm with some buddies. And their buddy shows up, and he shows up in a fucking taxi. And we're like, what the fuck? And he's like, yeah, dude, he tells us some way out story that this dude tried to attack him. And he like, I, I, beat up the dude, pulled him out of the taxi, and now he has the taxi. And so it was like, he was like, hey, he's like, do you want this car? You always like, I was like, yeah, I was like, here, I'll give you some dope and I'll trade you for the car. He was like, okay, so I was like, cool. Trade him some dope.

So I got this yellow taxi cab. So now I had a car. And I was like, cool, man. And so I got some spray paint. I like spray painted half of it, like half, like flat black. And I spray painted a ratchet cab on the hood. And, uh, and we just started. make running like this was uh maybe like 2009 2010 and so all that whole like uh stealing from stores

things wasn't that big back then and so i mean we're going around we're going to stores we're going to stores with backpacks filling up backpacks full of stuff uh and and running out of the store going into department stores and taking the big racks of watches like nice watches and take running with those out of the store. And so one of us would be in the car waiting or something and guys would come running out being chased by people jumping into this cab and we'd be speeding off. And so we just started causing a lot of trouble around town. To the descriptions of the cab or of the car are some people are saying, it's a yellow cab.

And other people saying it's a black, it's a flat black. Yeah, Dodge. Dude, it is it was. It's on which side of the road you were on when you guys, when you guys whipped off? That was crazy. I have and they got a big trunk man these old they're like those old caprices right and so like I'd always have in the trunk the trunk would always just be full of of like random nice stuff like I like nice designer stuff so I'd have all sorts of stuff in the car stuff that I would end up selling to

people I know for money and uh best dressed homeless guy best dressed homeless guy dude I was styling bro I'd have had like a Gucci belt on like I'd have like all sorts of designer stuff and um just start doing everything around the neighborhood that we could to make money It was like a, you know, on the west side of L.A., it's some pretty, you know, nice neighborhoods. Like Marina del Rey was a nice neighborhood. So we would go to Marina del Rey and we would target for a lot of like high end like triathlon bikes, bikes that are like $10, $15, $20,000 bicycles. Right.

And so we were going and started, you know, peeling a bunch of these bikes. You know, I ended up having stashes of like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bike. So this is all during this time was actually right before I lost my apartment. You know, I was smoking crystal. And this is when this whole madness started. I'm in the apartment before I lost it. And this is how I actually knew that things had gotten pretty crazy. Actually, from this incident is how I realized that I was on LAPD's Pacific Division's Most Wanted list.

I'm at my apartment before I lose it. And it's midday. And I'm just finished taking a shower, a couple buddies are there and so here a knock on the door that's not like a not a hand you know it's it's it's something hard you know like a flashlight you know everybody knows that sound and so here the knock on the door my buddies come get me they're like hey i think the cops are at the door so okay i'm on probation at that point in time so i go go to the door and look through the people it's a couple of cops one's by the door one's down farther the hallway and i'm like yeah what's up and they're like yeah we're here for a

noise complaint. And I'm like, I wasn't even playing any music. And I'm like, okay, what's up? And they're like, we have to give you this card. Uh, you know, and I'm like, okay, all right, cool, man. You just, uh, slide it in the door. You know, I just, I just got out the shower. And they're like, oh, no, you know, we have to give this card to you. And I'm like, well, man, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sitting here butt naked, man. Like, I just got out the shower. And so this is, this is playing over like maybe like five minutes, like almost 10 minutes. And so, you know, it's in the back of my mind. It's like, I'm on probation and I'm supposed to comply. Like I can't non-compli.

That'd be a violation. So eventually I'm like, okay, I got to open the door. So I was sitting there just going out of it with them. Like they won't slide down the door. So I get them. I'm like, okay, I cracked the door like maybe six inches, not even six inches. I'm like, okay, hey, you know, what's up? Hand me the card.

And the guy's like, oh, well, did you get out the, should you have any clothes on me? Did you get out the shower? And I had some boxers on, some white polo Ralph Lauren boxers. And I was like, yeah, I got some boxers on. And so I crack it from like six. inches to maybe like not even a foot and as I do that just to kind of show him I had some boxers on the guy by the door says good we got a warrant and slams his shoulder into the door and like I'm spun out I'm high is you know the kite and so I instantly just like have my shoulder

back into the door and so I literally have like this like push a war not like a tug-of-war but like a push a war with the door with this cop man and I'm spun out of my mind so I'm winning I'm closing the door on this dude. And, uh, but it starts bowing out. And as it bows out, once it gets close to closing, I see at the bottom he's got his, his boot is inside the threshold. And so I knew like, the door's not going to close. Right. Um, by that point in time, my buddies had bailed off the patio. And so like, I like, it was all in slow motion. I like stop and I turn and I see the patio and like the light coming from behind the patio. And I swear I heard this sound like, oh, like, I'm like, all right shit man I'm going and so I gave myself a count I'm like all right on three man just

fucking go so I was like one two three like took it and broke and it's like a straight shot through the hallway and then straight through the living room and then the patio was like almost lined up with the front door so I just started be lining it through the apartment and I can feel this dude like door slams open I can feel this dude behind me and get through the living room and I get to the to the towards the to the curtain to the patio and so I'm like I got no time so I literally like swim move the curtain and from there it's about like four feet and then like a three foot railing and then you got like a hedge bush that's another few feet and then it's about a six foot drop so I'm like shit man I don't have any time so I just swim move the curtain and just fucking Superman it off the patio and uh like flying fly I'm clearing it I'm clearing everything. but then I realized like how high I am and I was like oh shit so I just kind of start to tuck I tuck a little bit and I spin I end up I guess I land on my back in this planner but next thing you know

I'm like up on my feet and then I'm out of the planner and then I'm in the grass and the next thing you know I'm in the street and I'm like oh shit and your boxers in just my boxers no shoes no nothing turns out my phone's in my hand though right which was pretty cool and so I turn around and I look and this dude's like barely standing barely putting his boot boot boot on on the railing to jump over. And I'm like, man, I'm gone. Right. And so there's two alleys.

And so I'm like, I got to get to that far alley. That close one's too close. And so I start be lining it down my street in the middle of the day. And there's like the first house I come to one of the neighbor's houses. He's like out on the lawn like watering his lawn. And I just start getting it. I see this dude. He looks at me like, what the fuck?

I'm like, don't look. Cars are driving past me. I'm like, all right, just pick a spot down the street and fucking get there. You know, like I played football. I went to a running coach. Like I, like, worked on my running form. Like, I had that shit dialed. And so I'm getting it down the street.

And I could feel the bottom of like my toes, like tearing up on the asphalt. You know what I mean? But I'm like, man, just get there. And so I'm, I'm getting it, right? And I'm like, okay, I'm doing good. Like, where is this guy? I want to look. But I'm like, nah, don't look.

If you look, it's going to slow you down like half a pace. You know what I mean? So I don't look. Make it to the other alley. And as soon as I get to the other alley, I stop and I turn and look. I don't stop, but like I break my stride and look. And he's like half a block back. And I'm like, man, I got this dude.

So I peel down the alley. I go up into some apartment buildings. And like at that point it kind of hits me that I'm just in my boxers. So I kind of like start like crouching around and stuff. And I call my call my, call my home girl that live down the street. And I'm like, I call her. And I'm like, hey, hey, the fucking cops are chasing me. Come pick me up.

And she's like, dude. She was like, I was on my way to your house. I just drove past you running down the street and your fucking boxers. I was like, turn the fuck around, come pick me up. So she comes up, pulls in the street. I go running out, dive into the car, and we get out of there. And just, it just was, I mean, that was, I remember that being on, like, whatever day of the week that was. I go to my buddy's house that's in another part of, it's still Pacific Division, LAPD Pacific Division,

but it's like on the other side of the district. And so I go to my buddy's house. I lay low for like a day or two. And I just can't. I like, you know, I'm smoking, smoking crystals. So like, I got to do something. So like a day and a half goes by. And I'm like, all right, let's get out of here.

So we go up to, he lived right by Las Sienega in Venice, which are two major streets. And so we go up to like a Ross on Las Sienega. And I'm like, hey, I'm like, I'm going to go to your house and go get some of your stuff because I didn't have any of my stuff. He'd give me some clothes to wear. So I'm like, okay, cool. So he goes to my house. And then at that point in time, I was like, man, that's a bad idea. like now I'm on foot not good uh so I'm like this isn't good I can't be in public on foot

you know I'm going to go back to his house so I walk out I start walking down Los Siena to get to his house in Venice off Venice Boulevard and as soon as I start making my way down Las Sienega a black and white rolls behind me and I'm like oh shit they keep going no break lights or nothing I'm like okay cool but I like stop I like tighten my stuff up you know I tighten my shoes up it's hiding my pants up. And so then I just keep walking. I get to the next block. And as soon as I get into the intersection,

I can see from my peripheral that the black and white is tucked up against the building. And I'm like, these fuckers. So I get like into the crosswalk and I'm walking. As soon as I get into the crosswalk, they're like, they bleat me. They're like, hey, hey, you. And I just keep walking. And they're like, hey, hey, hey, you. And I'm like, fuck, man.

So I turned to look. And as soon as I turn to look and I guess they got a visual on my face, They were like, yeah, yeah, you come here. And I was like, what? I just started like hopping and skipping. Like, I'm almost starting to run. I'm like, what, man? Like, I didn't do anything.

They're like, yeah, yeah, come here. And I just was like, fuck that, man. I just turned and took off. At least this time I had some shoes on, man. And so I take off. I run across the street. I think one guy started to chase me. The other guy got in the car.

But run across the street. And right there by Los Angeles in Venice is a big like Kaiser, Kaiser Permanente. And run across the street. running by the hospital and they're in the car at that point in I run in I run through a ticket booth I'm like okay that'll stop him for a second run through the ticket booth and then I like make a decision on like whether to go into the hospital or not and I was like nah it's just too many people there you know too many eyes too many cameras divert on the hotel on the hospital and then I just run run across the street there's some apartment complexes I'm gonna try and make it to my buddy's house so I run across this other street get over these big apartment fences make it to the the other side of the street. Um, get down. I'm, I'm, I'm almost there.

I'm like about like two blocks away. And I'm walking down. I'm going down the street pretty like in the, in the cut. And there's one alleyway that they could come up. So I'm being cautious of this alley. As soon as I get up to the alley, I see they're actually coming down that alley. So I have to backtrack, run back, run back over to this big, like 20 foot fence that I hop to.

So I get to the fence and I'm getting kind of gassed. So I'm like, fuck, man. I hit this fence. I get up to the top. But I can. can't pull myself over. And so I'm like, I'm fucking caught, man. I like fall down, but I turn around. I look and they're not there. I'm like, oh, shit. So I grab a trash can, set the trash can there. That gave me just enough to kind of where I could get up over the fence. Get over the fence.

As I'm getting over the fence, I start to hear do, do, do, do, do do do do do. And I'm like, oh, shit, man. They had called the ghetto bird, you know, the helicopter. And so. Get a bird. Yeah, the ghetto bird. Yeah, man. And I knew at that, I, I, heard it, but it wasn't anywhere visual yet. Like, I couldn't see it. So I was like, I knew my clock was ticking, man. So from the fence, I was onto a carport. And it was a decently high carport.

And so, but there was a couple trash cans. So I literally jumped off the carport, bounced off the trash cans, up on my feet again, and run out. So this was actually Cadillac is the name of the street. Run out to Cadillac. Run down Cadillac. And I run back across Los Angeles Boulevard. There's like cars everywhere. cars are skirching tires almost hitting each hitting each other i run back behind these two uh gas stations

tuck up in an apartment building and i call my homeboy i'm like dude where you where the fuck you at you at you're at you're at the fucking cops are chasing me man and uh he's like i'm at your house man i'm like dude hurry up and get over here bro so i'm sitting there the helicopters above i can see cop cars coming you know and they're on all in all these side streets and um and i'm tucked up in this apartment and I'm kind of dirty from like the ivy and stuff that I was running over. Some old lady comes out and kind of looks at me and I'm like, hey, hey, hi, ma'am. It's kind of hot today, huh? And she kind of gives me a weird look.

I call my boy back and I'm like, dude, what the fuck? Where are you at? Dude, he's like, I'm just getting there. He's like, uh, he's like, but they've got the place surrounded, bro. I don't know how I'm going to get to you. I was like, man. Um, so I'm sitting there. I just don't know what I'm going to do.

And he calls me back about 30 seconds later. He's like, hey, they left one of the alleyways open. He's like this front alleyway. He's like, I'm coming down that alleyway. So ran out to the alleyway, jumped in his van, got underneath like a blanket that he had in there. And we ended up getting out of there. But that's how I learned at that point in time, they had my flyer up in the cop cars of my face and my buddy's face. Just from all the shit we were doing around the neighborhood.

It was a cat and mouse game for a while. Eventually, I had gone to go see my dad at his apartment. And went there at like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. you know, I had to really kind of navigate. It was tough for me to get places in the neighborhood. And so I got to see him. It was his birthday. And I'm in there.

I'm sitting on the couch. But next thing you know, I like, wake up. I guess I had nodded out on the couch. Wake up and my dad's there in his robe. His hair is wet. And like, it's a little bit of daylight out. So I know it's morning. And he's like, hey, Anthony, I'm so sorry, man.

But they got the place surrounded. And I was like, what? So when I looked, they had the patio blocked off. The sides of the place blocked off. And I was just like, all right, man. I got nowhere to go. So how did they track you to your dad's house? Um,

so they knew that that was like, um, it was just one of your addresses. Yeah. Right. Right. Um, and it was, it was his birthday,

I think. And so I think they just figured that. Put it up. Put it together. Yeah, he might want to see his dad on his birthday. And they'll usually hit houses, um, early in the morning like six,

you know, they hit houses early in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so, So that happened, they hit the house.

And, you know, it was kind of funny. Are we, we get rolling? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, it's funny. Actually, so they hit the house. Um, had nowhere to go.

And so I was like, all right, dad, I guess let him in, you know. So I had like made my way back to the back bedroom. Yeah, while he went to go let him in. And I went and I laid down on the bed and kind of just was laid out on the bed, you know, with my arms out and everything. And so they come in there like, oh, he's in here. We found him. And they're like, oh, no, I'm.

motherfucker like like pull me off the bed they're not going to do anything on the bed so they like grab my foot and like you know yank my ass off the bed I'm on the ground uh you know I get knees in my back they make my elbow touch the back of my head you know and like rough me up a little bit you know so so snatch my ass up I end up going down to the division and they put me in the tank like off to the side and uh guys it was like shift change right around that time and so guys are coming in, guys are leaving. And I remember guys like seeing me and guys being like, yeah, and like high-fiving each other. And I'm like, oh, shit. Like, what's going on? And I was like, you guys are acting like I'm a big deal or something. What's the deal? I'm just some, you know,

dumb kid causing problems. But I guess apparently it was some sort of a deal because like guys were walking by, I guess everybody had. They probably been looking for you for several days, right? At least they have your photograph on wanted poster or sitting in their car. Yeah. I don't think they liked that I was getting away from them too. Right. know what I mean but so so that had happened it was just a real vicious cycle of uh of these kind of things occurring um and then when i'd be uh when i'd go into custody uh in la county jail since my first charge was violent i would go to a lot of high security places so i would go to uh la county jail has a notorious place called super max that's up at wayside uh which is

pitches detention center which is it's not in downtown where the other facilities are like twin towers and everything, but this is out by like Magic Mountain. I think I forget what area that is. It's by like Lake Castaic. So they have a few housing units, facilities at Wayside. Supermax is one. East Max is another one that they've shut down. It was like a pre-fire camp for a little while.

Then they have like medium north and medium south. Those are just due to security levels. So a lot of the time I would be, I would go to Supermax because my security level was high. however before i would make it out to wayside there were times where i'd be in la county and downtown and around that time uh the sheriffs were on another level man it was a big thing like i'd mentioned like the the law enforcement having gangs uh sheriff departments would have gangs within their department uh one of them for example was uh the three thousand boys uh three thousand boys are notorious uh the sheriff gang that worked the men's central jail in downtown they worked uh the

three thousand floor the three thousand floor was a high security floor um and so these guys were were big dudes man they were all like six feet tall or taller a lot of these guys were all running gears they're all juiced up they're big old swole dudes right they're all blasted up they're all sleeved up and everything and uh back then guys would where, you know, sheriffs would have a, what do you call it, um, their belt, you know, their belt with all like their cuffs and stick and all that things on it. These guys wouldn't wear a belt. They just have their pants with their regular belt on and a big old maglite in their back pocket and, uh, maybe some cuffs like stuffed in their pants. And, uh, these dudes would

go around and they'd give everybody a lot of, they'd show a lot of love. They'd give guys a lot of maglite therapy. And so it was like if you're, if you're in there and you look in literally like, if you look at these dudes like if you make eye contact with them they'll they'll smash you in the face with their maglite um and they were they were they were beating people all the time like this was a regular occurrence um he got so bad that uh the sheriffs ended up getting indicted uh the head sheriff he got indicted i think it was tanaka um i forget his undersheriffs no was baka lee baca was the head sheriff he got indicted the undersheriff uh tanaka got indicted and then a bunch of the other uh sheriffs ended up getting indicted there's a big case the feds got involved with it and

everything but um when i was going through l a county jail this is how it was ran back then it was pretty serious kind of place uh today it's a little bit different and i don't know if it's a good thing um so i'd do time there or i'd go out to supermax um and just from starting to do time everything is very segregated like when you go in there the sheriffs ask you like who do you run with because everything's split up by race it's either you run white you run south side which is like Hispanics uh or you're a pisa which are just the uh Hispanics that don't speak English there's others which are uh Asians Middle Easterners islanders and then there's the blacks so there's five different races and so when you go in there they they ask who you run with and then you tell

them who you run with and then you go they when you go in there there everything's you know you go to your people they give you the rundown on the protocol like how the program operates in there uh hey use these are our showers these are our phones these are our tables these are our toilets these are our sinks everything's everything's segregated and so there's a lot there's a lot of protocols to follow just like uh you don't play card games with other races you don't play sports with other races there's a whole long list of do's and don'ts and so uh in there i guess some guys aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. So a lot of guys sometimes have hard times following the rules, stuff like that. So just for me, ended up doing doing a little bit of time and always being paying attention

of what's going on because it's a pretty serious place in there. Dudes are getting, dudes are getting dealt with. People are getting into all, you know, all sorts of trouble. I just paid attention to what was going on. So I learned the program. I learned what you do, what you don't do. And, and then also I just ran my program, my routine, very structured. Like I would make sure my bed area is clean. All my stuff is in order. You know, I'd make sure that I was working out. I had a lot of respect.

Like, I was treating people with respect. I had my manners, et cetera. And that just turned out to be a good blueprint on way to run things. So through being there over periods of time, the position would come up where the representative for our race would end up going home or going upstate to prison. And a lot of the times I would end up in that position. I'd end up being a shot caller, whatever you want to call it.

Most of the time, it wasn't really something I wanted to do, but I just, I would step into play to do it because I knew how everything ran and how it should ran, and that would keep peace within the unit. You know what I mean? I'm not trying to get into a wreck where we're getting in a riot with another race because some guy does something stupid. Right. You know what I mean?

So I ended up being a shock call in a bunch of places in Supermax for a long time. many different places in LA County Jail. This madness would continue. I'd be sober when I was incarcerated because there'd be so many problems that revolved around drugs, whether it was guys were racking up dope debts and then getting smashed, beat up off the unit.

And like your reputation carries with you. Like if you get smashed out of a unit, wherever you land in that next unit, they're going to know about it by the time you get there and you're going to get smashed out of that unit. And you just keep getting smashed basically until you PC up. So it's a pretty serious place.

So ransom units, a lot of crazy things happen in there. I'd be sober. However, when I would get out, unfortunately, I'd find myself back into my addiction. Well, how much time did you do the first when you got arrested for this, running from the cops and the whole thing? So that time I ended up getting, I think I got, it was a prison term. It was like 16 with half because a lot of the things they got me on were nonviolent. six what is 16 months with half okay yeah it was it was a first it was a first uh first

prison term for me and so the things that they were able to get me for were not not very much it was like they had they knew all the things that i was doing but they just like they had me on camera in a garage so it was like since that was attached to an apartment complex they were able to call that like a residential burglary which was like i think that's what they ended up getting me on. And so that was, even though I didn't take anything, they didn't have me taking anything. That was still, I think it was like 16, 1, 2, or 3, 16 months, one year, or 3 years. And I got the low term because it was my first case. So even though it's a prison term, and it's nonviolent, due to AB 109, which was a like a depopulation bill that was passed,

if your crime is nonviolent, you're going to do all your time in the county jail, which was kind of messed up. There were guys that had like 20 years with half time doing like 10 years in the county jail. The guy with the most time that I met was a PISA and he had like I have like 10 DUIs or something and they gave him like 53 years with half time. He was doing like 21 years in the county jail. So do the time in the county jail. I did a couple like 16 with halves did a few eight months. So I do like eight months get out, be out for a brief period of time, go back in, do another eight months. I got...

Are you going back in for more burglaries or just more... Yeah, and there was a grand theft. There was one time I got caught. You know, I was always stealing stuff. I'd have like all the... I'd do my research, though. It was like, you know, you go into places and they'd have like the security sensors. So I would go and get online and find the tool that they would use to unlock the sensors.

So I would go and order those things. I had all the tools with me. so I would go. So one time I was at a sax off fifth, which was off Los Sienega there in LA, went in there, saw like a pair of Prada shoes that look like Chuck Taylor's. I was like, okay, those are cool. So I got those. And I went by the belts. I saw a couple Burberry belts. They were like some other belts too. So I got a couple of Burberry belts, took the sensors off, put them in a bag and get out the door. Dude starts chasing me. I outrun one dude. I'm into running through the streets,

running through a parking complex, outrun the first dude. And then I'm like trying to get back to my car. And another dude comes out. And I was gas by that time. So the second dude caught me. End up getting in trouble for that. And it was funny. It was the cut off between petty theft and grand theft was like $950.

And so with the shoes and the two belts, it came to $970 bucks. It was $20 over the limit. And so that one gave me a grand theft. I would get programs, drug, drug mandated drug abuse mandated programs get out go to the program get kicked out of the programs all sorts of dumb stuff uh eventually it was one point in time where they had given me a uh had a joint suspension like they had given me a break gave me a program but the judge was like if you come back i'm going to give you your max max sentence okay go to the program long story short i kind of got done wrong

i went on my first pass to go pick up my property and so i went from carson to san an monica which like i had to take two trains, a bus. By the time I get to Santa Monica, my half day pass was up. So I call them. I'm like, hey, I just made it to the to the department to get my property. You know, what's up? And they're like, okay, well, you know, your pass is due up, but just get back here and we'll talk about it when you get back. So the sheriffs are waiting for you when you get back. Well, so I may get back and all my stuff's outside. And I kind of didn't really get along with the counselor. Like I'm not the dumbest guy. So when they would be having classes, I got to answer

the questions pretty easily and the counselor for some reason didn't like that. So the counselor had all my stuff set out in the driveway when I got back. So I go into the house to talk to the program manager, the person that oversaw everything. It was this lady. And I was like, hey, what's up? I was like, I called. I took two buses. I got there to get my property. It was a half to have asked. I called when I got there to let him know I just got there. And she was like, wait a minute, you called and let him know. And I was like, yeah, absolutely. And she was like, oh, he didn't mention that you called. That's a completely different story. I'm like, wow. She's like, well, it's already too late.

She's like, I'm going to give you this, this letter that shows that you just have to be gone for 30 days, but then you can come back. Like it's kind of was just a discrepancy. She's like, just take that to court right away and you'll be all right. I was like, okay. So I went to court that Monday, showed it to the judge. And he's like, okay, he's like, all right, that's cool. You know, 30 days, go back to the program. But if I see you again, I'm going to give you your joint suspension, which was a three-year joint suspension.

So my dumb ass, I take 30 days and I'm like, I'm just going to take two weeks more and then go check back in. And so within the first week after the 30 days, I'm going to go pick up a buddy at a house that's hot in the neighborhood. And I'm telling him, I'm like, hey, dude, be outside. Don't have me waiting. I pull up front and he's not outside. I'm like, motherfucker. So I go up, knock on the window. And as soon as I walk back to the car, black and white pulls up, they pull up.

they pull me aside run my name uh turns out i had a no bill warrant because i guess at 31 days i was supposed to check back into the program so i go back to court and the and the judge is like oh you're back so soon he's like i'm gonna give you you know you're getting your joint suspension i was like what i was like i was like i was almost like look nobody said i had to be back in 31 days he said be gone for at least 30 days he's like nope that's it you're going boom uh that was in January. This was 2014. And so two, three months, April, April 10th. I'm a few months into this, I had to do 16 months because it was three years with half. And so April 10th, 2014 was a Saturday. The next day, Sunday, I get called outside to contact home. How is that

medium south yard? And so I go outside. They say, hey, you need to contact home. I didn't really know what that meant at that point in time. So, but usually means something happened within your family that somebody passed away. So I call my dad, call my dad and he tells me that my brother's dead. So my brother Angelo, my one brother that I was really close with, the only sibling that I have, my only full-blooded sibling with a guy from our construction company, a supervisor for ours. My brother had let him go, laid him off for a couple of months because work was slow. And he knew where my brother lived and they started, you know, talking shit to each other, threatening each other. I'll kill you. No, I'll fucking kill you. And egos got involved.

And the dude just pulled up. We had a place off Bennett Canyon up off Sunset Boulevard. And the guy just pulled up, got out of his truck, pulled out a weapon and started firing. I don't really know all the details on it because I hadn't got into like, you know, I wanted to look at the report and everything. But, you know, once you kind of do that, you can't unsee things. So I'm not sure if he caught a bullet with the first barrage. He then made it to the front door, got in behind the front door, and the guy turned around and let off another barrage of bullets at the front door. He ended up taking a bullet in the femoral artery. And then it got him to hunch over and took a bullet behind the ear.

so he died died there don't know how quickly um was uh pretty interesting was that happened on the day before on that saturday and at that same point in time between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. on that Saturday we had a count at south yard I was at south and we go outside and stand on these boxes and uh they're doing count and I'm getting fucking pissed off man. like for no reason like I didn't know why I was like really really angry like I learned to control my anger when I was a younger like I had anger issues I got in all sorts of shit but I was really really like I wanted to like hurt somebody and and I didn't know why and so like count took place then after count you do a little cleanup in the unit and so like I went I stood by my rack and I had

to be by my rack for a while for like a couple of hours I was really really angry man I didn't know what was going on. But sure enough, at that point in time, my brother was laid out leaking, man, died right then. Um, so. I mean, I expected you to say like an overdose because you had, he had the overdose earlier. Like that's what I thought was. No, he had kind of, so he had kind of cut back on the, on the powder use because he started having heart issues, um, because he was so overweight, right, a little overweight. Um, so he had kind of straightened up a little bit. Um, however, there was a lot of things taking place with a construction company that were it was challenging you know money would be good money wouldn't be good he had bad habit of budgeting he wasn't budgeting very well you know and um so there was always that issue and uh it was pretty messed up man uh i'd gotten there was a whole thing because they were going to have a wake for my brother in l a and then have the funeral in san diego and so we brought it to court because you can get approved to go to a funeral And so initially I was denied.

Then I got approved. Then I got like denied again. And then I got approved again. And it got all the way to the point where we're getting ready to pay the fees that you have to pay for the sheriffs to transport you and everything. And then it got turned down. It got denied again. So it was like a real roller coaster of things. It turned out that since there wasn't a physical body present at the wake that I couldn't go, like an actual body has to be present.

Yeah. So I ended up not being able to get. go to that didn't get out for about a year and a half after that so i got out a year and a half after that and i was off paper off probation so i was like fuck l a i'm going to go to san diego be close to my mom support my mom and uh her husband they had opened a restaurant down there i was going to go down there work for the restaurant and just kind of be done with everything so get out go to san diego had an apartment set up start working um working with them for like two or three weeks and some issue came up that was just a completely over,

overblown thing that was just got turned into it was, I'm freaking like, I think they knew, they knew that the whole restaurant thing has been a real loose, ran operation. And so I got there, I was working there and I'm taking a smoke break. I take a smoke break. I go off on the side of the building. I'm smoking a cigarette and I go and I like retuck my shirt and little like unbutton my pants like the top of my pants tuck my shirt in and the lady that was one of the employees comes walking by and I see her and she's getting ready to leave

I'm like off on the side of the building in this little cut smoking a cigarette and uh I see her I'm like oh hey okay all right have a good evening oh yeah all right have a good one take care and so she leaves and the manager for the restaurant this lady was a full-blown alcoholic I knew and I knew she was no good like Like I just got a good people radar just from all the time I've been doing time. Like you can just, you just read people pretty good. And so when I first met her, my mom was like, what do you think about her? And I'm like, no good. I'm like, she's no good.

It's everything appears good, but I don't, I don't trust her. And so oddly enough, she ends up making up some fucking way out story. She says that I was on the side of the building with my pants down. All right. Like, what the fuck? Why would be on building? Like, give me a break. So my mom's husband, like, here's this story.

And I'm like, that's bullshit. I was like, where's the, let's call this other lady that that was the employee that was actually there because that's not what happened. But at all, he was like, no, that's it. You don't have a job. So all of a sudden, I'm there in San Diego with no job with an apartment and a car and a resort to doing what I had always done. I started smoking crystal again and starts selling, selling dope. So same thing happens in San Diego. Things start getting crazy real quick.

Next thing you know, all sorts of crime. throughout the city um selling dope a buddy that had done a favor for me uh says hey i got a girl that i grew up with i need you just sell some dope to her okay didn't like it didn't seem comfortable went ahead and did it because i owed him a favor so i did that and it happened a couple of times sold her some dope a couple of times and then it got to the point where she was like hey uh i need you to meet my home girl um i can't make it down uh when you meet my home girl and say you know you meet my home girl sell her some dope and uh it went from like one ounce to two ounces and uh so i so i meet this other girl and i just didn't have a comfortable feeling about it really didn't sell her sell her two ounces

nothing happens okay whatever continue on in my madness some time goes by about a year goes by and that point in time i had a couple of streets that were filled with cars that were not mine you know I had a, like a crown royal bag, like a big, like, you know, velvet bag that was full of key fobs. I had dozens of car keys to all these cars. And I was driving an Audi. So you're, you're, what, are you stealing cars and parking them up and down? The street you live on, they're just parked. Yeah, I didn't.

I was living out of hotels. So, yeah, I was, I was living out of hotels. Just things were, things weren't going very good. I wasn't like bawling out of control. I had a bunch of money. It was always like just trying to barely survive. Right. But there was a buddy of mine that lived in this neighborhood.

And so there was a couple of streets within that neighborhood that I had all these cars parked on. So I was driving one of the stolen cars. And a guy called me because there was a thing at that time where you could get cars through, we would go to rental car companies and you could run a card that didn't work. And they, you would call at you would. call, I would call a number that was somebody that I knew and they would act like customer service. And so I'd be like, hey, you know, my card got declined. What's going on? And she'd be like, oh, it's because you've used a couple of charges that are over the limit. So we put a, we didn't

know if that was used. So we put a hold on it. They're like, let us talk to the employee there. So you put them on the phone with them. And then they would, my friend would then give them an access code that would actually pull something up and temporarily allow the card to be used, even though there was no money on it right it was like a bypass and so then you would charge it and then we would get the car and then we would just keep the car um and so a guy called me from the rental car place and was like hey i have this this car you've been waiting on to pick up i'm like okay i'll be there it was friday about 5 p.m i'm in like northern part of san diego and i got to get to downtown so you know being crazy driving in l a growing up driving in l.a it's like you drive very

aggressive uh but defensively and so like a lot of time i just drive on the shoulder. Like if there's traffic, I just drive on the shoulder. And so, uh, so I get, I'm in this stolen Audi and I hadn't changed the plates yet. I had just got in this car. And so I'm driving on the shoulder pretty much from like Claremont all the way to downtown. If anybody knows San Diego, it's about a good 15 minute drive. But I end up having to drive the whole time on the shoulder. Get into downtown. And as soon as I get into downtown, I'm coming in down on 6th Street and I go over the bridge and then I see a black and white. And so I'm just kind of aware. I get over a lane and he goes and he does get behind me but doesn't light me up.

I get to the next intersection and I hear like a swarm of cop cars like multiple sirens. So I look to my right and it's probably about like almost a dozen cop cars head in my direction. So I take off. Take them on. They got the tag number and they realize that it's stolen. Yeah. So I take him on a high speed pursuit in the middle of downtown San Diego on Friday at like 5.30 p.m. man there's cars everywhere there's people everywhere and so it's like a tricked out outy man it had like

all sorts of work done to it and so i'm like bobbing and weaving people i don't hit anybody or anything make it around these few one-way streets and end up getting towards a freeway exit i mean a freeway entrance get onto the freeway it all bottlenecks so i lose most of these cops and uh get on the freeway i pin it and uh as soon as i pin it and i'm moving some uh some guy gets into my lane there was another car next to me. I had nowhere to go. So the guy just bumps me a little bit, but it pops the tire. And so I managed to keep it, keep it on the road. I get off on the first exit. I had a had some chick with me, some ratchet girl that I was with. And her actually mom was in the backseat while this is taking place.

Are the, how are they handling it? She was cool. The mom was freaking out. Like while I'm driving, like, initially and going through this, this pursuit, she's freaking out jumping all over the backseat. I'm like, tell her, she's like, sit the fuck down. Like, I can't see out the rear of mirror put your fucking C-bell on and so we get off and as soon as I throw it and park the girls out the car and run it I'm like good girl like I get out the car I'm running she I think the mom stayed in the car so I'm out I'm running go to a house this first house had barbed wire on a fence I was like what the fuck hop over this fence peel get peeled by this barbed wire a little bit and I start hopping fences I'm running these houses and I'm going to go and make it cut back down to the freeway and I was

going to run across the freeway and then I would probably have had a good chance to get away. As I get down towards the freeway, I see a whole line of cop cars already there. And I was like, that's not going to work. So I turn around and start be lining it back, hopping fences. And as I'm getting close, I start hearing guys coming. And so I'm in a backyard of a house and I see a crawl space, like a little grate underneath the house. So I pull the grate off, shimmy up under this crawl space and under this house. And I'm trying to put the grate on. And like the first time I put it on, it like doesn't go flush. I'm like, fuck. So I, like push it off again trying to get it going flush it doesn't go flush try like three or four times

the last time it's still not flush but i just try and like pull it in um shimmy up underneath the house i see boots coming in through the holes and everything they come they go they come they go like 15 minutes goes by and they're gone i'm like okay i think i got away and then finally like one pair of boots comes down and so i'm just quiet and he comes down he kind of stops i could see him through the great the crawl space and he kind of like turns around look i can tell he's like examining it's it sees it's not flush and uh gets down pulls it out and gets under there with a flashlight sees finds me with a flashlight oh i found him i found him so they pull me out pat me down i had the key to a bentley that i was getting ready to go get like um this ends up being my sobriety date

uh october 5th 2018 so they take me to san diego jail um and 19. It was not very long ago. I was like, I mean, it's, it's set seven years ago. Yeah, it's almost seven years clean today. You still got to go to prison. Oh, it gets, it gets better. I'm in jail and I'm looking at this case and it's like,

uh, felony, it's a GTA, felony resisting, felony evading, like, like, like three or four felonies on this case. And so I'm in jail and I'm just like, at this point, I'm like, what am I doing, bro? Like, this is just. nuts like it's it's October so now it's like November my brother's birthday's November 5th remember remember the 5th in November and the holidays are coming up again and I'm like dude like how many holidays are I've been locked up for now I like start counting I'm like two out of three three out of four four out of five I was like I don't want to count

more than that I could probably keep counting I was like this is stupid I'm like what's going on it was like a light bulb went off of my head and it's like it's your addiction dummy you know and I was like, okay. And I was going to a church service actually in jail. And I was in the service and I literally like broke down, dude. Like first time I'd ever really like broke down. I was like, wow. Okay.

So I'm in my cell and I'm kind of like talking to God. When I first started doing time, my dad had told me like, you know, you should get into your Bible, man. You should read your Bible. And so I started reading my Bible when I first getting locked up. And so like I started developing that relationship. So I was in my cell and I was just talking. god and i'm like god man like what's up dude like you can't keep doing this i guess is crazy this is not working man and uh i remember i'm being like i have something better for you man like stop you know trust me i

have something better for you i was like okay i was like all right i'm done like that's it i was like you know it'd be nice if you can get me a program i i'll run a program i know how to do it and uh let's just i'll fucking send it and so uh yeah it was very uh it was very really, you know, working, I was really honing in my frequency with God at that point in time. And so we go on the court bus to go to court one day and it's looking like this could be when I'm going to get sentenced. And I'm talking to God on the bus. I'm like, dude, I talk to God like he's my friend, man, like he's my homeboy. So I'm like, dude, man, like, what's up, man? Like, I need some sort of sign from you, God. Like, let me know you're on the team or I'm on the,

I'm on your team. And at that point, we passed a church. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, all right. like i hear you talking i was like but i'm hard-headed man i need another sign like what's up and so we passed the second church and the second church we passed had a crow on top of the cross and uh i'd always seen my brother like in crows i know there's like a negative thing with crows and stuff like that but we have a buddy that had overdosed on black um and my brother used to say he would see him in crows and then when my brother passed it was the same thing i'd see all these crows around my brother has a daughter she ended up finding like a crow's feather on her car and that was before she even knew that i had any sort of thing that was going on with crow she told me like oh i found a

crow's feather on my on the car and like i think that has something to do with angelo so there's a big thing with that so i saw the crow on that cross and i was like all right man like all right let's go so we go in court and uh i was looking at prison time you know for all these felony charges and the judge goes uh there was no offer of a program at all and the judge goes, you know what? He's like, for some reason, I feel like I want to offer this guy a program. I was like, what? He was like, how would you feel about would you be interested in taking a drug program,

a residential program, and you got to go to outpatient afterwards, et cetera, et cetera. And I was like, absolutely, 100%. So I got the program. And I had seen guys be successful in a program. You have to, I had to fully submerge themselves in it. And so it was like, I volunteered for everything. I was volunteering to help out. I was volunteering to go on these estates.

sales i was doing the landscaping on the places he got to the point where they would just call the house where i was at and be like hey we need anthony and i would just go uh so things are going really well in the program um getting ready to graduate the program move on to the outpatient they were going to ask me to be a house manager for one of the outpatient houses and um uh it was two days before my birthday i had my birthday's May 24th on May 20th I had gotten I had gone to the dentist to get some implants done I had a couple back teeth that were bad I had a front tooth that was on a flipper because I'd had my front teeth knocked out back in the day and so I went to go get four implants it was three quarters of the cost of doing the whole thing so we decided to do the whole

whole upper arc so that day had the surgery on the 20th it was a Monday extracted all my upper teeth put this upper arc implant in and so I'm looking like a chipmunk my face is all swollen uh was two days after that it was on a wednesday so I was kind of not really feeling too well and I'm at the I'm at the house and I was laying in the bed and I remember I gotten this feeling man I had this feeling like something's not right so I go into the house and I eat I go I heat up a bowl oatmeal I'm eating this oatmeal and the lady comes in and says that I have a visitor like it's Wednesday man you don't have visitors on one days I stand up I look out the window and it's a of black vehicles and I was like shit so I sit back down some guy comes walking in with a badge

around his neck and says he's a u.s. marshal and i was like uh says he says he's a u.s marshal if i'm anthony i said yeah he says i have a federal federal warrant for you i was like what does that mean he's like that means you have to come with us i was like man can i call my attorney he's like yeah when you get in the car i was like okay so they go they take me they don't let me take any of my meds from my mouth like any of this rinse on my antibiotics and nothing um call the attorney in the car and He's like, yeah, it's all bad. I'm like, what do you mean all bad? He's like, I don't know what's going on yet, but it's not good.

So it turns out that that girl that I had a bad feeling about, which was then a few years prior, ended up being an undercover and it was a control buy she made for me. I guess apparently I was done screwing around, done selling dope, and I guess they figured they had to get me for something. That was the only thing they had me on. So they got me for a controlled buy, two ounces, which is just over the fed's 50 gram minimum for

Picking it up or for the buy. If there's a distribution charge for either crystal or black over 50 grams, it can carry a 10-year mandatory minimum. So they just keep doing the buys and putting the buys until they've got enough to give you the, hit hit the minimum. Yeah, or whatever else. Instead of rushing you the first time. Yeah.

So I contact. A friend of the family is Jan Ronas. He's, uh, he, he, he defended like the Ariano brothers and a bunch of big time cartel people. He's a super attorney there in San Diego. And, um, I,

he was a friend of the family. So I called, talk to Jan and I'm like, what's up? And he's like, he's like, you're burnt, you're like,

you've got nothing coming. If you sign, we, they won't impose the mandatory minimums. I'm like, well, what does that mean? He's like,

you'll get less than 10. I'm like, I'm like like, two, eight, five. He's like, don't know. He's like, signed and you'll get less than 10. If you don't, you're screwed. So I signed. They ended up giving me

77 months for two ounces dope, which was tough because, you know, I had already been done. I had almost a year clean and I was like, but I took accountability for it, something I did, take responsibility for it. I think that only when somebody takes responsibility for something in life, can they then make a change for it? You know, they can make a change. Otherwise, if you stay in a victim mentality, you're giving the power away. Right. So took responsibility for it. And I knew how to do time. Like I've been doing time for a while. So I was like, I'm just going to go in here and work on my personal development. So got in there, started. I went, went to college through correspondence. I got a degree.

I started tracking my macros, tracking all my nutrition longhand, got the math equation and started tracking all my food. Got under 10% body fat. Where did you do your time? In the Fed. I ended up doing a there was a like while you're waiting to get sentenced I ended up doing about like eight months 10 months in Orange County jail they have a contract with the feds for U S marshals holdover yeah yeah until you're sentenced and so then um I got the RDAP program residential drug abuse program and so in the western region there was only a couple facilities that had it there was one in Colorado and then there was one in uh in Oregon at Sheridan. So I ended up doing, I was designated and did all my time at FCI Sheridan, the medium there.

I was there with that dude big me. She was in my unit. Right. Yeah. He's, he's pretty cool dude. He's all right. He runs a good program. He's a good dude. How was, uh, how was art at? Uh, it was, it was a shit show, man. You got, you got, it was so backed up from COVID and then backed up from guys that don't get the time off because they would still get a few months. extra half I have exactly so it was backed up didn't start when I was supposed to start I didn't start until like almost a year too late so I didn't end up getting all of the time for off that I should have for RDap and then uh then I got more halfway house time um then also I was um eligible for the first step act so I took all these first step act classes for the four and a half years that I was there racked up

all these point credits for it and didn't get any of my first step back stuff um and everybody just because they hadn't implemented the only a few guys were getting it it was really odd it would seem like they were really picking and choosing who got the first step back credit right um it was a very strict criteria of guys that were getting it it was a specific race and it was just didn't i don't know it seemed very odd um but uh was uh it was a shit show man it was a everybody in there was getting high, you know, I think there was like maybe one percent of the guys weren't getting high. One percent of the guys actually wanted to make change. Everybody's just faking the funk to, you know, get through. Yeah, yeah, fake in your way through the program. Yeah.

What is it? There's like seven, is there six or seven different things that they say, like one is faking it through and then they've got a bunch of, it's basically, it's like a list of things that people say about the program okay um guy did it twice oh okay i never i never graduated oh no no i would i was a mentor in the program oh yeah i would go in i would go in and stay because they would put a management variable on me and that i had a management variable too yeah that way because they wanted to move me to a camp but i want to stay in the low because the low was an hour drive for my mom to come see me okay and so if you get if they move me to a camp it's the closest to the close to the just once four hours, maybe five hours.

It depends on, you know, it was like Miami or like, like, Tallahassee or something. Like my mom will never make it. She's in a wheelchair. So I kept going in the program. They put the man, but they wouldn't put it on right away. It'd be months. And I'd go see my counselor.

What is the management variable? They'd be like, no, not yet. And then maybe six months in, he came to me one day. He's like, hey, they got it on. And I was like, great, I signed out of the program. And then three months later, my new counselor, because they moved you back to the old unit. My new counselor comes in and says, Cox, we're going to move you to, I got to put you in for a camp. No, for a camp. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no. I said, I got a management variable.

It's good for a year. They go, yeah, but we can request it to be taken off. I'm like, you can. Like, I'd always heard it was good for a year. And they're like, yeah, but you're not really supposed to be here. You should be at a camp. You got to get a shot, man. You got to get a shot and get your points up. No, I, oh, even then it wouldn't. I came in with like two points. Oh, man. And by that. And that was because I had. had a hold from a state charge that they dropped. So when I got that dropped, I'm down to like one or zero. Oh, wow.

I should be in a, you know, at a camp. So anyway, so I go back in the program. Like it just happened to be, you had to be out of the program 90 days before you could reapply. And it just at 90, they were going to move you. I'm like, oh, you can't move me. I'm going back at the program. And that locks you in. And then I would go back in the program, stayed there again until they put the management

variable and drop back off just, just to stay at the level. Yeah. But, and it was, you're right, that program was a shit. You're right, it is a shit show. Yeah. But I thought it was a great program. Like I thought, you can't, even if you fake your way, if you're faking it, you're going to learn something, you know.

Yeah. So I always thought it was, you know, and even I learned something. I pulled a lot from the program. Yeah, I thought it was good. Yeah. Like, everybody knew, like, I was sober and I like was getting ready to like just do better in life. And so they had asked me to be a mentor in the program.

And so I took it, I did it, you know, so I ended up, it was kind of funny. I was mentor on the program, so I was running a lot of stuff. I'd be up, you know, running the panel, you know, they have the panel up there and everything. So in the morning meetings and stuff. And so I had gotten the point where I was, that guy, Jocko Willink has a book like Discipline equals Freedom, which is a pretty solid, solid book just on no excuses and just manning up in the situation. And so I'd be up at this podium reading Discipline equals freedom to this unit full of guys, which was kind of funny, which later ended up being a pretty funny story. So I'm in there going through that.

I was in Ardap and just kind of towards the end of it actually was I was like 60 days to the house. And I think they were doing something where they came in the unit. they had to come into the uh it kicked off next door and so they had came into our unit to lock everybody down and i think a couple of the guys had like you know in art app it's a it's a real shit show there was guys are doing stuff that you don't normally do so i think a couple of guys had cat called a couple of the female deputies and so the captain had came in and we're all locked down started saying every you know started telling everybody hey can't be cat calling the deputies da da da da da and some of the guys start kicking their doors and uh somebody yelled out called the captain and the captain was like okay he's like

all right cool he's like fine so they leave the next we're locked down we're locked down the rest of the night the next morning they come in deep you know deep they pull all of us out of ourselves they take us up to wreck and they're going to trash our unit so uh we're up at the unit we come back i go upstairs my unit my cell was up in the corner so i go up to myself my cell was i you know picked my cell. My cell was, you know, wax floor, you know, clean cell. New paint, had everything painted. And there was, we had these big mirrors where we were at. I don't know if you guys had those big like, I don't know, three by two foot mirror. That was in a low. So we had shared you everybody, it was a communal bathroom.

Oh, okay. You don't have, you're in cells. Yeah. You were at a medium. Yeah. Yeah. So in our cell, we had this big mirror above our same. And I come back into the cell and there's like dust all over the sink and then I look down and I see like big chunks of concrete like like like that big. And I was like, whoa. I was like I'm so I back out of my cell immediately and I go and the captain's on a tier. And I've seen the captain. We've had a couple interactions like most of the people that are on the yard. They know the kind of program I run. I'm like, hey, captain, I need to take a look at something like before I go in here, I'm not taking, you know, any responsibility for chunks of concrete. And he walks in the cell and he goes, oh, oh yeah he goes you had a safe behind your wall and i was like what he's like yeah he's like they're probably going to give you a shot for it um you know right up and uh and i was like what are you talking about and so he's like you you'll you'll you know you'll come up yeah and i'm like wow so close the door i sure enough end up getting a couple of shots i got a shot for the safe which was uh i think it was it was either it was it might have been a 100 series shot or a 200 series shot and then in the

in the hole apparently were two loose pieces of rebar and so they wrote those up as a weapon shot yeah and then also uh as a tool that can be used for an escape i had like 200 series shots and like a 200 series and like a and one 200 series shot and the way these shots were written i was looking at i could have got an extra time for that and lost all my you know lost the hard app everything and so it was a real shit show i'm like i'm like here by that point in time i'm like 45 days to house because everything was like it was in limbo like like like i knew nothing about it i'm like i'm like and it's a soft yard anyways i'm like nobody i need anything to walk this yard man you know what i mean you got like you got uh showmos walking

around that you can't touch you know all sorts of you know all sorts of stuff i just stayed with my blinders on you know what i mean and um i'm like here i am you know almost you know 30 days to the house and I'm looking like I could lose all my time here, get extra time. It was crazy. I ended up having a bunch of dudes write sign a letter saying that like that's, you know, the kind of person that I am. I even had a couple of the counselors do some stuff. And so long story short, it ended up getting kicked out.

It ended up getting kicked out. But man, it was crazy. I was going through it. Like didn't want to tell my family that I was like, you know, they're expecting me to come home. And it was like looking like I could have, I could have gotten like extra 18 months. for that. So it was crazy.

So I ended up getting out and went to the halfway house. I remember the first night I get to the halfway house. Some guys overdosing in the bathroom. And I'm like, this is a real shit. Everybody's in the bathroom, smoking spies, epion in and out. And find out that two weeks prior, some guy overdosed and died in the bathroom. You know, it's just a real, I mean, it was worse than inside this halfway house. I know.

That's what everybody says. I mean, I was in that way. Same thing, the halfway house. What I didn't like about the halfway house is there was so much overwhelming interaction with the staff and the staff just seemed to hate you. Like they, they seemed like they wanted to violate you and send you back to prison. It's like what? This one was, like the staff would have a lot of interactions. And apparently the staff was bringing in a lot of dope and all sorts of stuff at this place that I was at. So luckily I just followed like I talked to my case manager. Like what do you need me? to do because I was trying to get home confinement. And so I did everything I needed to do, like just bam, bam, paperwork dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. I got home confinement within like three weeks, which was cool. So got out of there, went to home confinement, started working. I'd get up early, go to the gym at like 2.30. I got a job with the iron workers union because there's a bunch of union guys at the halfway house. So I started wrenching on iron. Do that all day long. I'd go do jujitsu in the afternoon and then I'd go home eat and go to sleep and uh did that for about

about six months started going to um this one jujitsu gym it turned out to be that guy jaco's gym uh a buddy of mine that i know from the san diego scene he's also a big jihitsu guy seeing him and me and me and jaco ends up walking up and walking up to me and i'm like hey i'm like excuse me sarah I was like, I'll let you know, like, a lot of your stuff that you've written has really helped me kind of change my life. And I was actually in federal prison, like, reading, you know, discipline equals freedom to this whole unit full of guys. And he was like, oh, that's cool, man. I was like, yeah, badass. So kind of had developed a little bit of relationship with him.

He's a pretty well-known guy. He was a SEAL team guy, stuff like that. Yeah, I've seen him on a bunch of podcasts. Yeah, you know, he is. Yeah, he's actually a pretty good dude. He's actually pretty good guy. daughter i've met his daughter she teaches like the kids class um pretty good people uh things just start going really good for me man i had a um when i was in there reading i read a lot of stuff like

on a military guys and i realized there's like a lot of parallels there uh you guys are i mean even stemming from when they're kids a lot of guys have had issues when they were kids whether you want to call it trauma or something like that um there's that issue in childhood and then guys get into that direction or some guys go in another direction. Then an identity kind of gets placed on us for whatever direction we go. You know, the whole identity of being a part of, you know, serving or then this whole lifestyle that that I went down. Then getting locked up, stuff like that.

You're spending a lot of time away from family. A lot of guys have issues with addiction. There's a whole transitioning back into society. There's a lot of parallels there. And I started picking up on that stuff. So I was reading a lot of military stuff, and I just kind of, you know, it was the direction I wish I had gone in life. Like, I think that would have been badass to get into like some top-tier organization and do some stuff like that. That's what I wish I would have done.

So I'm reading all that stuff. And I was thinking, I was like, well, when I get out, it'd be pretty cool if I could find, you know, some military guys to work with or just work out with. And so get out and ended up becoming some friends with a buddy of mine who's on the SEAL teams. and ends up taking me over to their advanced training sitter. I was doing a combatant class with the SEAL team guys. And things just started going pretty good. I was just making the right choices. And really wanted to meet my wife.

So I got on a few dating apps and Christian dating apps because that's kind of where it was at for me. And the chicks turned out to be all weirdos and not very Christian-like. And so I was like, great, man, I'm going to have to meet her in the wild, you know, maybe at church you know and uh my buddy was like one guy first started socializing with um his name's ray and so he was on this other dating app he's like just try this one i'm like okay so i get on there and i blasted i'm like clean sober you know don't call me for a hookup my faith is number one to me you know something something and so i came across this girl and hers was

like faith was number one too and a bunch of other similarities so i was like okay we started talking we go on a date or two. We date for about four or six weeks, and I ended up proposing to her. So we ended up getting married a few months later. Since I come with priors, you know, her family was,

her family's like, you know, a little hesitant. They're like, nah, this guy's not really good. You know, I told her on our second day

that I had been locked up and everything and she was solid. She didn't fold. She didn't break, nothing. And so she stood up against her family. She was like, well,

I guess we should probably just elope because my family right now, whatever. I'm like, okay, babe, it sounds good. A couple days later, she's like, hey, you know what? She's like, let's jump out of an airplane and get married. I'm like, okay, babe.

And she's like, yeah, we can like, say our vows in the airplane or maybe like when we land. And I'm like, I'm like, wait a minute. Like, you're serious? You're serious, right? She's like, yeah, absolutely. And I'm like, oh, shit. Did you ever skydive? I mean, ever.

So I was like, shit. She's like, you want to, let's, I was like, all right, let's do it. Is this tandem? Like, yeah, yeah, it's our first time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, all right, babe, let's do it. So she, like, lines it all up, gets it all set up.

And so we, the pastor from my church who is a pretty cool dude, he's, he's all blasted up. He has had an interesting story himself. He was our officiant. He was on the ground. I was trying to get him to jump. I'm like, hey, dude. I'm like, come jump with us, man. He's like, I'm not doing that.

He's like, I'll be on the ground. I was like, bro, come on. And he's not doing it. Like, all right. So we go, we get up in the plane. We jump. That shit was badass, bro. It was pretty cool.

cool. I really enjoyed it. She jumps too. We both jump with our cowboy boots on, land, peel my shirt off, put my cowboy hat on and say our vows right there on this field. It was pretty cool, man. So they do it not far from here. Okay. Yeah. The first time I ever did this, it was, I had told, I met a guy. This is when I was like 20, I was maybe 20, 21. And I worked at a Gold's gym while I was going to school just like part-time. And this guy had came in and I noticed he had two like scars right here. Just a little. And then I'd seen him and then one day I noticed he had two in the back of that. I said, bro, you got you got scars in the front in the back. He said, oh yeah, I had to wear a halo for like 18 months. I went for what? He said, I skydive. I jumped out and the

parachute. He explained that his parachute. Snap. Yeah, well, something went wrong. And then he leaned back with his reserve shoot. He said, because you got a reserve. He said, so I was going to be okay. He said, but I leaned back too far. When it opened, it got caught up in the other shoot. He said, I should have cut it away. Yeah.

But he said, by the time it all kind of happened, he said, I didn't really feel like had enough time. Anyway, so he hit the ground like 100 miles an hour. He said, but it was in like a swampy area. And he stuck. He didn't bounce. He said, so I was okay, except I did break my spine, 18 months. I was like, wow, bro.

I said, but I should never do that again. He goes, oh, no, no, the day I got it off. I jumped again. Are you serious? So he had told me, like, you should come. I got a buddy who's got a plane is you don't have to go through the tandem thing. You can just jump with us. And I was like, absolutely, bro.

Give me your phone number. Let's go. I never call that, dude. But I had told the girl I was dating at this time. And so one day it was my birthday. And I remember my parents had gone to Europe for like two weeks. And it was my birthday. and my my girlfriend was like when you come home you know come home we're talking you to be home

I was like okay she's okay that's good that's got what are we doing what do you know she's like oh don't worry about it don't worry about it I get home she has me put on my shoes make sure you have blue jeans you have this we get in the car we're driving like where are we going and she's skydiving and my first thought was um I didn't tell my mom goodbye broke I mean like I was that like oh my god I didn't like I didn't kiss my mom you know when she left or whatever it was like they went usually I dropped him off of that and I hadn't seen her before. And I just thought, oh my God. And the whole time I kept thinking, she won't jump.

She won't jump. So we get in the plane and listen, this chick, this is just like, she was a tomboy, just like my wife. And we got up there and I got you get numb. I got numb. Like I was, by the time I got up there, I was just numb. Like they're like, all right, step forward. You step forward.

Do this. Do this. Stay here. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I'm just completely numb. And she's going before. me and I thought she won't go.

She's going to stop and then I'm going to be like yeah bro I'm not going she's not going I'm not going to go and then she gets up and they roll the roof up you know and it's cold you know because you're up so high and she's got you know we're tandem there's somebody you know there's a guy you're who's he's got the parachute by the way you know shit you're just strapped on and she leaned forward and I remember things she won't do it she won't do it she looked at me she goes and just like practically yanked the guy out and I thought I have to go. I have to go. Like, I don't care if I die. I can't not go now. Like, I'll hit the ground. I don't give a fuck, but I can't, this chick will never let me live this down if I don't go. So then I had to go

and I mean, listen, I was fucking the whole way down. I was terrified. You're sitting here like, wasn't it great? No. But keep on, I did do it probably five or six times after that. Okay. And when I got out of prison, it's one of the first, and got out of the halfway house, one of the first things I did. We went skydiving. But same thing. done solo yet or no all 10 and i had done it like five times and you had to do it five times and take a class and you go solo well it's got to be a guy with you right but he's not attached to you right he goes down yeah right but by that point the fbi had shown up and i had to take off on the run and so i didn't want to but i had bigger problems but yeah i was numb completely numb and you jumped out

yeah it was like yeah it was sketchy like when the plane we're in a small cessna or whatever so it was like, I'm sitting by the door, like one leg is literally hanging out, hanging out of the airplane and when we're taking off. And I was like, uh, so we take off. And like, as we take off, when we were kind of low, it was kind of sketchy. You know, I'm like, the wind's pulling on my leg. I'm like, well, this thing just like pulls me out of the fucking plane. And, uh, but once we got up to like altitude and got up pretty high, it wasn't that bad. I'm like, okay, this is a little more peaceful. And, uh, even worse, when you're up high. Now I can see how, and you know, realize you're looking down, the clouds look like they're this.

They look like they're this far off the ground. Just like, we're so far up. The clouds look like they're an inch away from the ground. That's how far. And it's freezing. It's so cold up there. Yeah. Yeah.

And yeah, I just was like, I just knew something I was going to do. And the guy, the guy was actually pretty cool that I jumped with. As we're hooking us up, the guy's like, the guy getting hooked up to. He's like, hey, you work out at Warhouse. And I'm like, I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, I work out there too. like, oh, okay, cool, man. So it's like, it turned out to be a small community.

The guys that own my gym, they all jump. The dude that I was getting hooked up to, he was a SWIC guy, which was like, they're like boat support for the SEAL teams. And so he jumps all the time. And so I'm talking with him. And so I'm hooked up to him. And as we're up in there, we go. And as you have to like scoot towards the edge of the plane.

So we like scoot towards the edge. My legs are hanging off. And then they were like, you need to. tuck your chin and uh and then we'll roll out well he'll push us out and so like i remember i get to the edge but for some reason i'm like putting my head back i'm like uh so you're like i tuck my chin and this dude he like literally rolls us out of the plane like rolls us and has us like tumble and stuff because i guess he knows what he's doing you know he's and so we're we tumble a little bit yeah and then uh pulled it i mean tumbled and then we flattened out and uh it was pretty it was pretty

gnarly, you know what I mean? But I think falling in my dream is way sketchier than skydiving. For some reason, like falling in my dream was way worse than skydiving, hands down. But, yeah, free falling was pretty gnarly. And then once you pulled the shoot,

it was kind of like, at that point, it's pretty easy sailing from that point. At that point, I just want to get, I just want to get home. I just want to get down. Like, they're like, hey, you want to do some loop-de-lop. Absolutely not. Yeah, it had me pull on the thing and pull on the, yeah, do some loops. Yeah.

Yeah, it was nice dude, got married. So it was awesome, man. And just life is just like at that point in time, I had almost done what I'm doing now. So I got out of prison. I got out and I had the mindset of wanting to be a service. Like I kind of wanted to give back. Like I wanted to, if there's some kids I can help from going down all this, the road I went down. Like that's cool, you know.

So I had that mentality. And the guy, the first guy that I started socializing with that I mentioned earlier, Ray, the guy told me about the other dating app. Um, he was like, there's some dues online that are helping coach other guys into like, you know, giving back, helping them out, helping guys get over addiction, like coaching on like fitness, nutrition, because I've been, I was really about, you know, I've been about my workout and my nutrition and everything like that. So took a look at it and I was like, eh, you know, I don't know. I was working with for the family restaurants. I'd moved up. I'd like managed a location. Then I got into operations and working with family was difficult. You know, it's like,

to me it's like jobs needed to get done and it's like people are taking it personal and it's like look this isn't personal this is a job like this needs to happen like we need this needs to get done you know and so that that was challenging and so it's not something I really wanted to have long term and so I saw this opportunity and I was like shit I'm going to just do it so I just literally had jumped online I hadn't been on any social media when I got out I wasn't on Facebook or anything. So I started an Instagram page and started putting it out there that I was going to be coaching guys. I had taken on a couple of mentors to help me kind of with the, with the platform, like with the blueprint of how it's set up, you know, the training apps,

everything else. And so I just jumped in and started doing it, man. And actually it got off to a pretty good start. It has gone pretty well. I've started working with a bunch of guys. Initially, was a bunch of guys uh blue collar guys with addiction issues stuff like that um today it's now morphed into where i'm working with a lot of uh uh active or retired military guys um a lot of uh first responders i got like fire department guys on there actually got a couple of guys from the la county sheriff's department on the team recently okay how funny is that talk about coming for full circle man um but it's cool it's just a program for men that's just like helping to just level up It's like foundations on like fitness and nutrition and then it gets into like mindset stuff.

And so it's been really cool, man. I've had guys come to me. One guy came to me, Jory, man. He hit me up like in the middle of like a mental breakdown. He was a union worker makes makes really good money. He was like, dude, I have no money in my bank account. He's like, I'm on my way to a job. He's like, I just did some lines of powder before I got on the plane and had a few drinks.

He's like, I have this drug and alcohol problem. he's like, I need help. I was like, all right, dude. So I like talked him through it. Got him on the program, charged a credit card. That day, the next day, he was sober. Now today he's got like 10 months clean and sober. He's got rid of this huge belly that he had. Now he's like jacked. He's ripped. He's got a six pack. He's working killing work. Just everything's changed his whole life, man. So it's been pretty cool being able to work and help guys like see them change their whole, change their whole. change their whole life, man. So that's basically what I'm doing now.

And it's, I mean, it's, it's to where I'm talking to a lot of high up people in the industry, man. I come in contact recently with a company, a core medical group. They do a lot of like TRT, HRT stuff. The founder has become a really good friend of mine. And just a lot of doors are opening. I'm working with a veteran organization. They're going to start fundraising money to send for me

to funnel guys for the program. I was just say we've interviewed Taylor Kavanaugh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's how I think we got hooked up was T-CAP. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he reached out to me.

He was like, I started doing what I'm doing. And like, I've seen T-Cab on YouTube and everything. And this dude hits me up. He sends me a DM. I'm like, oh, shit. And he's like, yeah, I see what you're doing, man. I love what you're doing, man. He's like, keep it up.

I'm like, crazy. Is it, is it the platinum or gold? Is it gold? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I never, you know, and I don't think I ever asked him. There was something that I remember when he left.

I thought, man, I never asked what was going on with like the teeth or something. I forget what I didn't. I didn't ask. He's in Miami, right? No, he, he's actually out. He's not far from where I'm at. He's in California. Oh, okay.

He's on the move all the time, though. I thought he was in Miami. I thought he was in Miami because I think he, oh, no, I only thought that because he was connected with West Watson. It's somehow, somehow another, he had initially started with West Watson. Yeah, I worked with West as well. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, TCA have reached out to me. A few guys that are big in the military community, I've reached out to me. A guy, Cody Alford, reached out to me. me he's a really good dude we've become pretty close friends and uh it's just it's just kind of climbing up man it's just uh the community and network i have today is just awesome like i've started working on uh some of my expungement and so i've been getting like character recommendation letters

from a lot of these like top tier military organization guys guys that are highly decorated um i've even gotten a couple letters from guys and three letter agencies uh just stating of who i am today what I'm doing and that I should have my rights restored. All right. Yeah. So it's pretty cool, man. It's so many good things that start happening, man, since I've just started, since I've stopped messing around.

It's like life has just gotten a lot. You know, life is still challenging, but life is really good, man. I just can't say, I mean, there's so many wins that have come my way. It's just, I mean, I'm traveling all the time. Business is pretty good. I got my wife to be able to put in her two weeks at her job. So now she's just, doesn't have to do that anymore.

And so, I mean, there's been so many wins since I've started turning my life around, man. It was like I've won jiu-jitsu tournaments. I mean, there's so many wins, dude. I just can't even like think of all this stuff. But I mean, I guess I'm pretty good. Anything you want me to touch on? No. No.

I mean, I can't think of anything. I was wondering if you, I only just curious just for my own personal interest, is that if you ever go back into prisons or have you done? any talks in prisons or anything like that? No, that's actually one of the things. Yeah, yeah. So I was talking to Jason Redmond is now a friend of mine as well, Seale Team 6 guy, guy had his face blown off.

Pretty popular guy, Jason Redmond. He's a friend of mine. I've met him through the stuff that I've been doing with Core Medical Group. And I was talking with him. We're commenting back and forth on Instagram. And he was doing something with a book review. from a lady from Fox News. I think her last name was like Campania or something like that.

And so she reached out to me and has gotten me connected with prison ministries and their director of California. So I'm going to work on doing that to where I can go and speak at some prisons or juvenile facilities, stuff like that. Yeah, I always thought about that going. I mean, it'd be cool to go back to Coleman. I'm not sure if that, if that's something they let you do. You go back to federal prison.

but I mean, I know that there's the church that we go to, my wife and I, every time you're there, they talk about how they have this program and this, and they have a prison outreach program where they go into prisons and they, this. We sent them like two emails saying, hey, we're both former felons, we're married, we go to the church, we'd love to talk to you about participating in the program, never returned an email. I'm starting to feel like maybe that's just something you guys are saying, but now that you've got somebody saying, hey, we'd love to be a part of it.

You know, they're like, we don't have to start doing this. No. I mean, for all, I don't know exactly what it is or maybe the person running. It's not just not very responsive. That's too bad. Yeah, but I always thought that'd be cool to be able to go in and say, for sure. Hey, I was in your situation.

You know, I did 13 years. I got out. I had nothing. You know, like this is not impossible. Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, you know, you get out. Well, you've been out multiple times, but nobody. Well, I don't know what is like in California.

you, but in Florida, nobody's making it easy. You know what I'm saying? They're not making it easy to, you know, oh, we want you to be a good person and get a regular job and be a, yeah, but you're making it harder and harder and harder for me to do that. And then they complain about recidivism, oh, because these guys are such bad guys. Well, it also might be that there's really very few, if any, programs to help me. Yeah.

You know, a lot of the guys, too, from state prison, a lot of these guys, like, they all, they're like, yeah, there's no halfway houses or the halfway houses are so crowded that you're getting a month or two months. Or they just, oh, you didn't do enough time. You can't get in the halfway house. Or you have a violent charge. They won't take you.

Or it's like, okay, well, what are you? I'm getting out with nothing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like there's no gate money. Yeah. It's, you know, California's a little bit different since California is a little more. Liberal, a little more.

Yeah. A little more. want to call it. So I mean, there are, there are, but it's not easy. It's, it's difficult to, there are programs, there are some resources. So, but they don't, they don't make it, they don't give you a good blueprint to follow. Like there's, you really have to work for it and really try and if somebody really wants to make a change, then I think they're capable of doing so. But it's, it's, yeah, it's not easy. There are some resources out there. I didn't really get many resources at all. But you have to be, you have to rehabilitate yourself. Absolutely. Inside. Inside.

You cannot expect them to hold your hand. And I mean, that, and I think that's, that's huge is that you have to make that decision. If you make that decision, then you can start preparing way before. And I was, you know, you can always tell the, the idiots that are like in there and they're like, yeah, well, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to do this when I get out. I'm going to do it. Well, what are you doing now? Well, I'm going to start when I get out. You're going to start when you get out. Well, well, how can't go on the internet now? I can't write a lot. letter. Yeah. Well, who's going to respond? If you write 40 letters, somebody will respond. Yeah, I was picking. So, like, when I was in ADAP, one of the DTSs is there was a pretty sharp guy.

He had like, he had a, he had a master's and all sorts of stuff. And it was like, really that he was just there because that's what he wanted to do. And he'd been there for like 20 years. And so I was like, I'm going to pick this dude's brain, man. And so I'm like, I pull him as, I would talk to him all the time and I'd find out like why like how who were the people that didn't come back who are the people that came back why would they come back or why wouldn't they come back and so I got a pretty good like thorough blueprint from him but a lot of it was like you were just talking about it's having a plan guys that don't have a plan were the guys that would come back guys that had a plan guys that were already working on a plan were guys that didn't come back yeah there's a lot of good stuff I got from

that guy yeah there were I was say there were guys that were guys You could tell the guys that had somebody go out and buy, like, I knew a guy that his family bought him. His brother had gone to prison, got out. Now he's a welding inspector. He can't weld. He's not a welder. He just inspects.

But these guys make like 60, 70, 80 bucks an hour in California. And they're working 50 hours a week, 60 hours a week because, you know, and they take the jobs they want. They feel like, oh, I can't work this. I can't. But his brother's working 50, 60 hours a week. he he for the a year beforehand he must have read this book and this was a big book he must have read it like four times got out took the state test passed the test boom he said a week later i already got jobs

yeah two three weeks later he's like i'm already working you know 40 50 hours a week and he's making you know a hundred and whatever 180 thousand dollars a year and you're like that it's insane this guy hit the ground right but he knew a year prior to that yeah some i mean there's even there's opportunities man like like like even at the halfway house like there's guys there that are all working jobs like especially guys that are like in union jobs like i was able to i had a little bit of construction experience you know um and so the one guy that was part of the ironworkers union i just was talking to him and he was like yeah just go over to the ironworkers union so i just went over there and they had me tie up a couple pieces of rebar which was not very difficult

and got a job in the ironworkers union and i was starting off at like 30 bucks an hour plus like $6 an hour vacation pay. And then that would move up, like, after like 90 days or something. So, I mean, there would be their stuff available, but guys really got to want it, man. They got to want that change. Like, if they don't want it. Well, if you go, you know, if you, what was it? Derek.

Does he do what? He does a plumbing. He's a plumber, right? A buddy of mine that was locked out probably got, probably eight or nine years, at least, got out and he does plumbing. I mean, does construction and stuff too in plumbing, but plumbers in Florida, it's like $150,000 a year

you can make being a plumber. And if you're an assistant, even if most guys, they don't, well, I'm going to get this job. I'm not even making $1,000 a week. What the fuck? Bro, you were in fucking prison two weeks ago or six months ago. So fucking what, live in someone,

I live in somebody's, I lived in a rooming house for 18 months. Yeah. You know? Like, you can live in a rooming house. Well, I got to get out and I got to help my kids. your kids are you've been locked up eight years you think six more months so that you can become a plumber's helper and take the test and become a plumber well your kids are going to have

to sacrifice another year yeah guys it's just excuses it's excuses and that's the whole thing that kind of like it gets me back to like I totally like that's where I like really understood or got like like the impression it's like unless you own something unless you take responsibility of something you're not going to change it like guys like that they're stuck in that victim state they don't take responsibility for any of it you know what I mean And they have no change. And they keep doing the same dumb shit. Haven't you ever heard this one like,

dang, bro, you let them lock you up for 10 years. Man, those people locked you up. I locked me up. Absolutely. I got myself here. And nobody made me commit fraud.

Nobody made me do. Oh, this dude snitched on me. And it would you, you fucking, you bought the dope from them. You gave him a, you robbed the bank with him.

Like, yeah, of course. He didn't want to go to jail. He don't want to do 10 years. He wants to do five. You can do his five. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you're the one the fucked up. You shouldn't have given an opportunity to do that. Absolutely. So I would see these guys, dang, bro, they gave you all that time. They get, yeah, but I was supposed to be in prison. I'm supposed to be here. Yeah. You know, like you're so fucked up.

Society said you can't live with us anymore, you know? You, that's because of you, you know? It was definitely me. Like, and I think that it's funny because the moment you start saying that it's my fault, I'm here, that I did this. Oh, no, the judge or my lawyer sucks. Man, you put yourself in prison. Like, man up and you did it.

You went to prison. You're going to do some time. You're going to get out. It's going to suck. You're going to live in someone's spare room. You might live in a car. It's going to suck. Suck it up.

You know, go buy yourself some shitty Walmart clothes and dig ditches until you can be a plumber's helper or an electrician's helper and build it. And then you're making 100. then you can three years from now you make it 150 bucks 150,000 a year doctors make about 130 lawyers are making 120 you know what I'm saying it's like and you don't have any student loan debt yeah this one's kind of good my my cellmate I just realized we still rolling or no yeah okay yeah my cellmate I realized he just got locked back up this kid he was a country kid from Utah he uh had a psychotic episode he had a bunch of adderall had been up and ended up like unloading

an AR 10 out of 18 wheeler. He got a bunch of time for it. He got shot up by BIA agents because it was on reservation land. So, but he's, like I saw he was a good kid. So I like made him my celly. He's a good kid. They had him all doped up on a bunch of psych meds. And so we got him to get off the psych meds, came around.

He's good kid. And, but he has this girl that he had been dating. You know, she was like a prostitute, but she doesn't do that anymore, allegedly. and and I'm like bro this girl's bad and like you got to stay away from this girl and he just wants to he keeps talking to this girl and I'm telling him like bro like you got to stay away from this girl like some and he's not having it he's going to continue his relationship with a girl when he gets out he'll continue it and I'm like all right bro I'm like I was like dude I bet you 5,000 bucks like I bet you $5,000 a serious bet that like if you go down this road with this girl something bad is going to

happen and he was like okay bet I'm like okay cool and so I just get had contacted from his mom a few weeks ago saying that now he's back in prison, that there was an incident with this girl. They got into it. Something happened. Cops got called. Now he's got a state case, this domestic case with his girl. She dropped it, but the state picked it up.

Now the feds are on top of his well. The feds are holding him. Now he's going to have a violation with the feds. And yeah, I got a message from his mom saying like, hey, Brad wanted me to tell you that you won the bed heals you 5,000 bucks and uh just horrible man it's like guys i don't understand why guys make just such boneheaded decisions man it's like the biggest thing is just like once i finally got out of my own way yeah i think it's it's pride like every bad decision i've ever made was just based on my pride ego pride yeah yeah every single every time yeah i've been

watching some stuff recently with uh because you know i'm in san diego and so it's not far from me where there's a bunch of nonsense going on in California. Yeah, yeah. And one of my buddies, once guy got on, he's been talking about, he's like, hey, look, man, don't let your ego get involved. If something happens, just get away from the situation. Don't be stupid. Don't do something.

You know what I mean? Because it's just, you know, I end up getting in trouble. It's not worth it. So yeah. The ego thing is I think that's the biggest problem with men. I think my brother even had an issue with that. Like his ego got pretty big. that girl that he was dating that I didn't approve of, you know, she fluffed his ego up so big.

Like that was a huge contributor to what happened with him. She was so bad after he passed, she ends up showing up a couple days later because she wasn't in town when when everything took place, shows up with a U-Haul, cleans out the whole place, takes everything, stuff that's that was mine included. and then the place that he was staying at, she took all the appliances. She took like a straight tweaker, bro. You cleaned out the place, bro.

Took the fridge, took all the appliances, everything. And it was like, you know, my family ended up having to cover all the charges for all the appliances and everything. It was just like, she was all bad, bro. She was so bad that like, I would tell my brother like, hey, she's a tweaker. And she'd tell him that she's not. And yet she would be coming to me to buy you. dope off of me. I'm like, bro, I'm selling her dope. Like, are you going to tell me that she's not like crazy, dude? Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe

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