Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Largest Grow Operation In Nebraska History...

Episode Date: July 12, 2024

Largest Grow Operation In Nebraska History...

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I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're going over one of the largest growth. operations in Nebraska history. So you were born in Vietnam? Vietnam. Yes. What? All right. I came to the United States when I was like eight years old. All right. With both your parents? No, just my mom. Right. We were on a fishing boat and we were escaped from Vietnam 87. I think I was like

your dad was what? No, I don't have a father. Well, it's not immaculate conception. You have a father. I do have a father, but like, I disappear in my mom, man. So was it a U.S. a GI or was it? Oh, yeah, my first, my mom's first husband, he's a GI. Okay. And her second husband, that's my father.

And the guy disappeared in my mom after I came out. Okay. So my mom came to the United States with this GI widow, because her first husband die right all right and that's i go by his last name because he is he you know vietnamist traditions i just carried a guy's last name because i really have a fucking last name myself that's fine i don't know you can cross you can cuss so uh i came to thailand in 87 so you went to vietnam from vietnam to thailand because the communists were taking over is that correct okay that's when everybody like shit hits the fan

air yeah yeah it's got to get out of dodge yeah yeah and it was kind of crazy because there's three days on a fishing boat on a boat we had no water uh the grown up fuck everything up for us so it was like no water no food and we were just like stranded into like the oceans floating for like three days or no water luckily the Thailand ship fishermen rescue us and the american GIs and came all that bullshit that's why I end up here well so you went to you went to Thailand and then you what then you you migrated here like on a refugee camp yes okay how long were you in the refugee six months six months yeah i was like six months at eight years old in a refugee camp yeah fucking

yeah so it got worse when i came to america and um i live in washington and uh the place me like this fucking it's like a hood so like my first experience was like seeing all those guys gangsters like it was like uh it was like the early in the uh it was like the late 80s so it was like you see like that was like a crack era and all that bullshit so it was like the hood right and um Seattle, so it was kind of like messed up, you know what I'm saying? So I seen all this and I was just kind of like, wow, kind of scary you, intimidate you when you're eight-year-old. Scarier in Seattle than it was in Vietnam? Well, Vietnam, I didn't really.

I mean, I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm not, I'm just saying I would be terrified in Vietnam. But, you know, just to me, especially during the war, even after the war, even worse. Yeah, it was where it took off. side, but when you're young, like, growing up, Vietnam, I, um, I, when you're young, you don't really understand how, how it is, but when I was getting older in America, I understand these people are out, starts understanding things in America. Right.

Like, why there's, you know, guys, like, dealing drugs. I was like, what are the guys doing that. And, you know, that's the shit I see when I'm growing up, you know, in Seattle. So it's kind of messed up. Okay. And, uh, from that on, um, And I, you know, this is where I learned how to, like, sell weed and all that bull shit. So you started hanging out with that. Yeah, I started hanging out with, like, all of the Asian, you know, older cats around me. I was, like, 13, 12, but they were like 18, 19. They all drive, like, nice cars fucking.

Back then, Jared Crowe was a fucking big thing for Asian people, too. So, you know, that's how they look. So, and I hang around with them, and I would skip school, hang around them all the time. I just learned how, like, I said, that's how you steal a car. That's how you did this So that's, you know So, oh, okay, that's how you say You know, you buy shit like that

So I was learning all the street shit Stuff, the school shit Because for me to see shit And learn it, it's more like I was learning to experience more Than be in school Because I couldn't fucking do it And so that on

It leads me to 16 years old After that I was 16 I fucking Me and my step That had an artication So I left the house I never came back So I dropped out of high school

Left the house Here I am with all these little homies And what we did for money was A daytime we go like Rupp houses and a night time we go jack cars You know like steel stereos and rims and shit We're like fucking little kids We just want to get high and smoke weak and fuck bitches

Right That's what we do You know we just fuck kids you know So instead we go to school So we have apartment All my boys we just live there was what we do Until like I started like selling wheat

first I sell like crack coat all that but I didn't like the game it's a fucking dirty game I see people it's life miserable I hate it and what I like about weed is because it charges less and I'll kill people right I don't have to do scummy shit this and that I'm just fucking sell weed

and you're just dealing with guys that just want to smoke pot correct sir you know like those kind of things I don't you know so that's why I like the weed game I started like 20 sacks selling pounds went up to like five pounds, 20 pounds. From that 16 on, I just keep hustling. And then I had guys that sell my wheat, but I was all right. And I met my girl, her name was Rainey.

I had a little son, 1990, 1999 December. Roughly. Yeah, probably 40. You were 40? No, no, no. I was 19, my bet. You were probably 19. Yeah.

So I had him. and we had a good thing but at the time I was young so I was kind of like still fucking around and thinking this and that and I cheat on her kills me so fucking she finds out about it

and we broke up so that's no three and I fucking I left that's when you went to yeah I want to escape Canada I have to go somewhere I was like I fucked up man

right fucked up man you know what i went to you know and i heard my family was like in this game too like the grow wheat game i want to like you know since i'm i just want to go spear a new game you know so i went up to stay in canada i like the people there in toronto so i stayed there for not two years so your family your family you had family members in in toronto and they were also selling weed so you went up there to kind of what figure out how to grow it no just like vacations kind of like Kind of like just getting getting to get away. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just want to get away, you know, and then I stumbled into that.

But I know, like, they were growing from, you know, I know it because they're doing pretty good. And so it's kind of like went over there, I like chill, learn it, you know, then that's how I got into it. But what did you learn? You learned that they were growing it? I learned how to grow. They showed you how to grow it. The guy that later on I got caught with, that's actually my, he's my partner, you know, he's like fucking 30 years, 20 years, years older than me, I call my uncle. He's like to my partner in Canada already. We had a house

together. We were doing it. So, you know, that's how I was able to sustain myself this time. You know, it's just from like, from our weed and shit. So I, you know, I was learning how to grow weed in Canada and we had a house up there. So I was learning while I was working with him. But I was having fun too. So I'm single. I'm just like, man, I don't know, bro. I just, that time I live, I was pretty fucked. I was party all the time. You know. Maybe you're like 19, 20 years old. How long were you up in Canada for? Two years.

Two years? Yeah. So when I went to, and then I heard I had a family in Nebraska. So knowing me, I had no fucking family with brothers, nothing like that. So every time I hear a family member, I'm like, wow, that's like, that's crazy to go see them. Right. So I went over here, and then I just, you know, fucking around. I stayed for like Nebraska for two weeks, and I was smoking wheat.

And I was like, need some fucking brick wheat. Like, seasons. I haven't seen this shit. It's like 1994. Right. You get what? That's from like what? Mexican-Mammer.

Yeah, the Mexican, the fucking bricks when you just throw people on. The shit's the lyrics. So, you know, I don't smoke with that shit. It takes me like 20, 30 minutes and get out of fucking seats and stamps and all the bullshit. And I figure, why don't I just fucking grow in that shit? It's called, you know, the shit I'm growing is called BC Butts. Because I took the clone from Canada and bring her back. So that's how I got it

I started that So I started That's how I started it But this is in Nebraska Yeah So I took Canada Right you took the Canadian weed You brought it there

And you start growing it there Growing it I mean was it right away you bought a house And you converted it It was kind of like I didn't buy a house and converted Like crazy converted I can't afford a fucking nice house

So what I did was You know that rent to own bullshit shit, right? Yeah. So what I did was this guy, he had a house on 33X Street, and it was a shitty fucking house, like one bedroom house, so fucking shitty. So I bought this house to rent it on,

give him $5 grand, and my pain was $500 a month. That was it. You know what I'm saying? And it was rent to own. Man, that must be a shitty house. It was a shitty house, though. So I was growing in my living room, and we had, like, little fucking, like, you know, back in a hard years ago to dig some

shit underground. It was like a fucking And, I don't know, it was about 10 by, no, it's like 7 by 7. Just enough for me to vetch, you know, vetch wheat. Right. So it was like two stage, vetching and blooming. So I vetched my weed down there and a flower on my living room. And this, and 0.3, 04, my ex, my girlfriend, she hit, those bitch fucking cold me up, but like, yo, I can't take care of your son.

So here I am. Fucking got to take care of my fucking son. That motherfucker's like four years old, you know? So, no, five years old. So I got raised him. You know, we were like living in this little fucking little room. And the little room's for a week. And I got to tell this guy, yo, do not tell anybody about what daddy doing.

And I... So did you went back to Seattle, picked him up and brought him back? No, the bitch dropped him off. She just showed up in Nebraska's at the year. No, she called me up. Well, I know. Yeah, yeah. But she showed up.

And she's like, I can't take care of him. You're going to take care of him. you used to step up some shit and I'm like what the fuck I'm living in a grow house right you see my living room so so when she came over she didn't stay in my house he was had to put her a whole motel because the room wasn't big enough just me me it's me and I'm it was it a fucking TV a bed and a little fucking little fridge and I'm just waiting for the time to harvest so I could you know get a little better because that time I only had like maybe like six months of expenses like maybe six seven thousand maran's five hundred and i got a kit so i'm

trying to budget every fucking thing out you know what i'm saying so that's it like how many plants are you growing uh by heart plants at that time at that time yeah that time that was a harm i did a heart uh my harvest it was like uh so three and a half months later um it was like my uh My bad. Three and a half months later, like, when I harvest, it was like, maybe I made like 16 grand out of it. So that's one like... Okay, so you're taking 16 grand over three months. That's $4,000.

Or that's what? Yeah, but a little over $5,000 a month. Yeah, but it was to me, I was just like, wow, all right, so I could breathe a little bit. At least have some money because now, like, I'm still surviving more. I haven't really, you know, and after that, a month later, a month later, a month later, a month later, a month later. So the harvest come in every month? Yeah. No, every six weeks, bro.

D.C. But it's every fucking six weeks. So I was able to harvest. But that time I didn't steal electricity yet. Later on. So here's the thing about the electricity. And I've heard this before from guys where they were like, like I guess you're drawing the lights draw a different type of ampage or something. And as a result, the electric company kind of figures out what he's got to be running lights or something.

And then so then they'll get like a. warrant and come after you like the cops will is that that's the is that why you steal the electricity that and cost right correct because uh each it's bell is it sucks a thousand watts it's a thousand well for one light for how long for it depends how you run it 12 hours 18 hours oh okay you know what i'm saying so i mean back in the day the uh it's called high sodium high pressure high pressure sodium and a metal high light okay those shit drank a lot of electricity. It's not like nowadays where every fucking LED and shit like that. Yeah. So when you use too much like maybe 10 of them, it would reflect your house. You pull in too much electricity.

And now the local cops can get or the, what a DEA can get like a warrant and just raid your shit. Well, what happened is like the electricity companies will come and check it out. And after that, we reflect, they were red flag to the police department because all day, what happened is to supply a copter by your house and they shoot infrared. Infrared down your house, your basement. and just see the heat level. So, I mean, how long can you get away with it until that happened? Well, you got to be nice to your neighbor. Your neighbors don't want to fuck you up. Well, one thing is what I learned after. Oh, like that.

You got to be nice to your neighbors. Yeah. You know what I mean? And after that, I learned how to, I pay my old boss to come down in Nebraska, teach me how to fucking stole that power. Right. So the guy from Canada comes down. At this point, you have one house.

That's one. Right. But at this point, you realize I got to figure that to get around that, I got to steal electricity. Because I see people got busted. Like, people got busted with like how, like, I, there's people in Seattle got busted like that all the time. Right. With fucking, like, crazy fucking power. But to figure it out a way how to tap the wire, the power before it registrate into the meter.

Right. So that's what happened. That's what happened. So when I got busted, when it held me. me how the fuck you did that you know that was my shit too because I wonder how I did it and that's how I did it I was able so man you got a thing like a regular house you could do max is like eight lights two for vetching and eight for flowering but you could triple that amount by power of like 30,000 watts you know what I'm saying before it goes in the meter so the power

comes from is the main live wire and limited power so it never rest of sure up to anything the meter so they never know to how much fucking power you use from them right if it doesn't if it doesn't go through the meter they have no clue i had no clue because it's fucking live right right it's live like they i don't know technology now today could do it maybe back in my day's like yeah so okay so so you're so you're so you're basically you're you're circumventing the meter and and stealing power and so you're basically unlimited on as many plants as you can grow you as many as you can get in the house that's why yeah that's yeah so you jump from what so what what happened then you got another house what yes so i went and got in the

house on normal streets and um that time i had no job so i have to like a normal street yeah it's called normal i love you got x street normal street normal street ain't the fucking some shit all right the whole crazy story and you know i have none of that shit so i had to get people under his name so my friend his name was toy vault he helped me get that that house and that's how i met erin polk so normal that what was the name the first guy trevault what huh the guy that helped you get the house oh toy vault toy vault well and he's also vietnamese he's yeah he's vietnamese okay he end up uh we were i was doing pretty good until he end up killing somebody.

Yeah, that, that always throws a wrench in the machinery. Well, the fucked up thing is the dude that he killed end up being gay. Yeah. So he was jealous, right? So he was jealous. His girl was, like, dancing with this gay dude at a club. And we all knew what they do was fucking gay as fuck, because we know he was gay. Right.

So, what Toy Vaugh that night, I was supposed to go hang with him and, you know, shoot some shit. And, you know, talk, and, you know, but I didn't hang with him that night. So he hanged by himself and went to the club, whatever. So he saw that dude. What happened is he's shanked a dude I don't know how fucking time The dude end up dying So he got life right now

You know We should talk Yeah but but So he fucked me up Bitch I stabbed him before And he didn't die No sorry Okay

So he's fucking wild bro So he stabbed some guy Alright A boyfriend, whatever Yeah it was like some Just because a gay guy Was dancing with his girlfriend That was the reason why

A gay guy was dancing with his girlfriend So he stabbed the gay guy yeah okay now it makes sense okay my bad man i'm yeah yeah yeah okay yeah still anyway so he stabbed him and uh not how i typically uh resolved my differences with people but that's fine yeah um so that guy so that guy dies and they come after your buddy yeah he goes to prison yes so here i am stuck with a house with a bunch of fucking wheat and my you know he's my he's my uh he's i'm he's my co-signer But then I got to deal with his fucking ass Like he's in jail, prison forever

You know what I'm saying? So what I did was just I just shut the house down But when I met Aaron That's when I bought a house from Aaron So we and Aaron we became like really good friends You know, I tell my story So he knows here I am walking with a kid all this time I'm with a fucking like

My son's 4 or 5 years old All the fucking time So here even when I go set weed I'm with the fucking kid Every what I do I'm with the fucking kid So is Aaron also Vietnamese? No, he's white. Okay.

Yeah, Aaron Polk's, my bet. Because, I mean, a lot of your co-defendants, I know, are Vietnamese. Like, everybody thus far has been Vietnamese. This is the first white guy that's entered the... I know when I saw all the mug shots. Like, there was always, like, Vietnamese, Vietnamese, Vietnamese, and then there was...

Well, there was one guy. Was there? Two guys? Yeah, the guy, Kevin Polk, Karen Bolton, he's the guy to snitch me out when he got caught in my house. He's the one that told on me. Right. Because, oh, we got you.

Yeah, I'll tell you that later, bro. All right. So, right now, you shut down the house with Aaron. No, I shut down that, yeah. Okay, and then you, what did you do? Get another house? I got another house with Aaron. When I met Aaron, that's when, like, shit's kind of, like, helped me out a little bit.

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selling room you know so all right now i got a fucking house and somebody who can get you the houses yes and i learned how the power comes from so now it's like okay but i'm still with a fucking kid so my time is always with the kid and then um now i got the house on 81st street is a big house he was like 3 000 square foot like three garage and i love the basements because a thousand square foot i didn't give a fuck about nothing though i just care how big the house is How new power is it? How many amps is it? Is it new?

Can I do this? How many plants can I get in it? Correct, sir. You know what I? So I was like, I hit the house up with like a thousand pet plan our first. A thousand, but it takes me forever clone all that shit. So what happens, you have to prep before anything you do, you have to prepare. Like, I have to clone a month ahead of schedule because it takes seven days, get roots or whatever it is.

Another three weeks or four weeks, get mature enough to, boom. Right. Right. Kind of like stages and stuff like that. Yeah. So I had a thousand plans in there. And now, like, I'm doing 30 lights. You know what I'm saying?

So this is my first time ever going to, like, full power with this house. And I love it. Right. So, like, now I have clientele already. Those clientels I'll be building. And now I had that house. So that's how it happens. But then bam, she hit the fence again.

I got caught. That was in 2006. Yeah, it was in. All right. owned that out oh yeah that time i own a pool hall too so what you own a pull because basically at this point you're making money you're starting to make some money well right yeah or i bought a pool hall i bought bill and win pool hall and uh thing was like oh six well man how did you buy the pool i mean you must have been making money at this point oh yeah to buy a pool hall well it was

through an asian guy was like 30 grand you know most people don't have 30 grand i'm just letting you know most people don't have 30 grand i'm just letting you know most people don't have 30 grand to blow on a pool hall so you must have been doing starting to do okay well so mad mad like like yourself you're an entrepreneur like your mind's always like yo I'm gonna make some more I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that and you and later yeah you're acting like I wasn't like yeah I was really scraping by you just bought a pool hall for 30 grand I mean you didn't you're not broke so you're doing you must you're starting to make some money oh yeah I mean right but I wasn't like like you were on balling no I understand no no I was driving Ferraris and no that's later on yeah that's later

you know what I mean my life is so fucking comical man it's like this shit is so fucking funny sometimes so what happened so how did you get busted huh what led to you getting busted the first the first time oh the first one uh the three three yeah the X street house well I had a I had a I like I think it was my fucking dog or some shit like that and like I didn't write like I'm supposed to like talk to the fucking my rent my rent-owned landlord or some shit and I never did So he must have went on my house And fucking like Open it and he fucking saw all that

And that's how I got busted But I won See Because I won the fucking case It makes me think I was arrogant Matt So he wait wait So you how did you get arrested though

Like they came in they grabbed you Like what happened No I got arrested because My neighbor was like hey We saw a bunch of cops go to your house Oh okay And I was just like Oh shit

So I was like So that time I shut down the pool hall so I was laying low I was just laying low for like maybe like eight, nine months and just kind of like just go on day

you were hiding now yeah yeah yeah just do one season until I went to the casino and I was driving one day then I got busted then I had a lawyer a court

paying like 20 grand and fucking yeah and this is local cops had rated the place it was just a local it wasn't DEA or anything no no dude

dude was just like it was kind of kind of shitty too because I kind of like all the plans was kind of dead because I was already kind of like I don't need that house no more I was kind of like gonna like get that house get ready and just find it out whatever because that house I was I was I was on a different level right now I don't need that so that cussed me like I got I want the case instead of a manufacturer I walk away with possessions on under a pound so I did four months in jail because I mean they could but you're

there's like a hundred pound plants in there. No, but it was just a bunch of fucking, like, middle, small shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was just vegging. Okay. So if you added it all up, it wasn't that much. Yeah, it wasn't like that, you know. So I got away with that.

And while I was in jail, I had my, well, so I had my cousin, whatever it is, get, pick all the weeds from all those people who got busted. I was on my fucking this. So I was in jail and I was selling wheat already. You know what I'm saying? because I tell him hey go pick up my shit make sure all my fucking guys eat because what he did

I was in jail for four months he was selling all my wheat you know I still make money I was in jail right so the houses are still going no the house kind of stopped but I was I was buying wheat see all the guys that grow wheat I was buying this shit

I'm not just a girl I'll buy everybody shit too so now you're distributing you're buying the stuff and you're redistributing to your dealers that are selling that had their customers okay so you while you're in prison I mean while you're locked up waiting for discharge to get a return okay yeah so like I was still doing that I was just like I like but then

that's how like all those those no family whatever it is I was buying their wheat and just sell to you and now Omaha and Lincoln and whatever whatever it is and I was still doing that because so when I get out and four months later my cousin Tito pick me up with a fucking hummer and he he gave me two grand and he's like yo I give you the rest of your fucking money tomorrow because because whatever we did those four months I'm supposed to get half and I know he did a lot so I got like you know what keep the rest bro I just need two grand you know what I'm saying and hey real quick just wanted to let you guys know that I have a book my personal story it's called shark in the housing pool and maybe Colby will put it up or not I

don't know I also wrote a book about my but a buddy mine in prison his name is Walter Rossini and it's called devil exposed I also wrote a book called The Program about me going through the drug program in prison. It's practically a cult. And my favorite is Bent about John Boziak, being a homeless kid on the streets of Miami that ultimately was one of the most prolific counterfeiters of credit cards in the cyber underground. So check the links in the description. I'll have a link to every single book

and back to the podcast. So instead of getting all those money from him those four months that I did while I was locked up, I just kind of like gave it away because I just won my guys. Right. You know? Has you won the case yet?

No, I won that case. Oh, he's out. No, I know you got out, but I didn't know if you got out on bond or not. No, that time I had to do. I had to serve time that time. I was on bail. Oh, okay.

I didn't know. I thought maybe, for some reason, I thought you maybe. He was charged with distribution and pled out to like a... Yeah. Oh, okay, until your time was the four months. Six months, but yeah. Okay, I get, I got it.

Yeah, so at that time, I was in county, man. I'd never been, like, hardcore prison. I was just county. Right. Fucking county. So you get out, you start, do you start up again? What do you do? Yeah, I started up again.

I started up again. The 81st Street house. Yep, I started up again. And then after that, uh, I went and getting out of house down 27th Street and finally, whatever. Not a, like, now this is all, like, kind of like, like a suburbanate place, a bunch of white folks all from the time.

Like middle class. Like better. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of like that. So I kind of love playing in because that time I was kind of like

I'm with a kid so the kid made me look good all the time. Right. Like I'm a fucking struggling father with a fucking kid. You know, shit like that. Yeah.

You know? And so I end up met him my wife. You know, and I have a daughter with her. that's when I start like, you know, doing things, open more business. I'll open a coffee shop and after I open a nail shop. So how many houses do you have now at this point?

How many houses do you run? About three life. So now you're running three houses and they're all got a thousand points a piece. And I think that time I was buying weed from everybody too. And you're buying weed from other row houses. Yeah. But I was, I didn't buy like mass of them. I was just buying like maybe like,

four or five pounds here, four, five pounds there. Yeah, just to whatever you need to meet to demand. You can only supply so much if there's extra, I need an extra four pounds, I need an extra two pounds. Correct, but the price, the price was like, I get it for, I bought it from them for two grand. I flip out, I flip out to like 36. But I always try to get my guys the lowest number ever,

because I want to make sure to eat, you know what I'm saying? Like, they eat, I eat, everybody fucking eat. And that's how I did it. So how are you laundering the money through the, you said you opened up a coffee shop. Coffee shop? Yay. So you got a coffee shop and what else? A nail shop.

Nail salon, right, or nail shop. So, I mean, what did you do? You went in and you just renovate? Did you buy the buildings or did you just, you lease the space? No, I lease the space and I just did build every fucking thing up. That's what I did with the nail shop too. And then you just take the cash and you put it in the bank and you say that, It's a cash business.

There's a lot of cash businesses. Because those are cash business. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I, you know, I never had like mentors that tells me, yo, you're supposed to do this and really say, well, do this, stocks and shit. All my mentors, Matt, you got realized all the people that taught me of fucking drug dealers and crazy motherfuckers. Yeah.

They never really teach me what's like to be like white color shit. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, hey, can you supposed to do this? They learn this. No, no, no tells my shit. Yeah, you buy a, you figure, I buy a business. I start a business, make sure it's a cash business

and I can funnel in some of the It doesn't even matter if the business makes money The business can take a loss It's gonna look on paper, it's gonna look like it makes money That's why they got me Because when they're bused me, they're like, We know your business don't make shit, we watch you All you do is gamble and fucking parties all the time

Because my cousin, my other cousin's driver This is like an escalate, 26, Model cousin driver 750 I think that time I had to say X6 And my other cousin's six I have 650 What's an X6? BMW? Yeah.

Did you buy a Ferrari at one point? Yeah. Well, that hitting, that was like really hitting, like nobody really knows because I parked a motherfucker down town. Only like certain people know what was about, I think because of that I got busted. I was just going to say, do you think that was suspicious? Yeah, but no, because this one, why not I picked my cousin from Toronto. You know, we was just like pick him up and we just, you know, he landed and we just like, and I'm here I don't want to fucking show off beer. And yeah, cousin, I'm doing, you know.

Yeah, yeah. Stupid shit like that. So we were just driving, and then we were just smoking. I got pulled over. And the cop was like, hey, you know, it's a high profile shit. I didn't understand what the fucking high profile. Right. You know what I'm like?

Yeah, whatever, bro. Just give me a fucking ticket. Get on my way. You know, and then he wrote some shit down. And then I think what really hits the fan is when my cousin shot that guy seven time. Yeah. I mean, he lives. The guy fucking lives.

bro you know i like i don't know what that what that i don't know what to say so how how did okay so how did how your cousin so how why did your cousin shoot someone seven times like it seems excessive but what why is why did someone why did yeah man my cousin john he's uh he's uh i love that food because he he he's so like manly like guys like that we don't see like much it wasn't even his fight his friend started the trouble and he was just like my own business he just had a kid

he started trouble like what do you mean like like at a bar or a house that was house party his friend combed up yo I got some altercation with his little you know some Spanish dude and my cousin always wanted to be

a fucking hero and save his friend so my cousin drive over there and you know try to save him man up the dude run up to this dude and try to stab him stab my cousin's friend

friend. My cousin pulled out his fucking, I think he's 45 and shot that dude from trying to save his friend. It wasn't in my cousin's fight. Right. It was some dude, some bullshit. He hadn't none, but he didn't want to help to do well. What happened is all this guy that he helped turn out snitch on him. Yeah. So it's kind of fucked up. So what happened is when my cousin, and my cousin, he's in the game too. He's only, so, so there was a Spanish guy that tried to stab your cousin no your cousin's friend yeah your cousin's friend your cousin shoots the Spanish guy and then the guy that you're that your cousin protected when he got busted he when he got busted he snitched out your your cousin no I snitching my cousin yeah yeah just

dude shot him mind that some shit you know what I'm saying and my cousin he you know he the time he was on like early 20 he got so much shit going and he looked up to me and I'm just like I'm just like he's due so my whole family is pissed because they think that I transformed my cousin I did that to my cousin and you let him and you let him over to the dark side right well I was a bad role model that's right there my whole family blamed me so I'm just like it's kind of fucked up because when he got when he was busted the whole family bail him out like a hundred grand on belt so he's on belt. The cops are fucking pissed.

Why is this young guys connected? This is this on fucking belt. How's it come up with a hundred grand? Correct. And like after that, right? So my cousin here, we chilling every fucking day in my coffee shop, playing carts every fucking day, smoking wheat. This is all we do all day. So I think like

ever since my cousin shot that, shot him. Right. And the cars I was driving, all, everybody was doing, we were like, I think we were like, time was running out for us. Yeah, you were a target. They know something's going on. This guy's hanging out.

He's hanging out all day, smoking pot and drinking coffee, driving a Ferrari, something's going on. Plus, I'm sure they hear, you know, let's face it, because the cops, they know what's going on. They've got, they've got CIs that are always telling, look, man, this guy's doing this. And then they just kind of put you, okay, well, they put your name in the computer,

and then one day, two months later, you get pulled over, get a ticket in a Ferrari. You know, and then, oh, your name comes up enough times, they start to say, hey, look, maybe it's time to watch this guy for a couple days they follow you around for a week next thing you know they got they're starting a case this is definitely what's happening you know one of your dealers buddies gets busted and he says he's buying his shit from this guy you know next thing you know there's a case you know that's exactly so you were you and the Ferrari probably didn't help but uh yeah so the uh

so who's working on the nail salon uh dot time oh right now oh you still have the nail salon I don't want to know. I gave it back. I mean, when I came out, she tried to give it back to me. But I walk away. I walk away. I walk away and I went to Massachusetts. I walk away from that.

So what? So your cousin got, your cousin shot the guy. How much time did your cousin get? 40 years. He's still there. He just hit me up like a few days. He goes with FaceTime and what that bullshit. And this is in Nebraska?

Yeah. Do they have, do they have? Yeah. Yeah, he's going to do like half. I think he's going to do like 20 years. He's got now like three years left, four years left. Fuck, bro. 20 years in a state prison.

In a state prison? Man, my cut. Gladiated school. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible.

Fight and all the time. Man, I've heard them state guys that go harder than us, huh? Way harder. I would, I'd rather do. Everybody I know that's done state time has always said, like, I'd rather do 10 years in the Fed than five years in state. Gladiators. In, in Florida. Like, they don't even have AC in Florida.

What? Sweat, everything's, everybody, you talk to that guy, Josh, that I did a podcast with this guy Josh did that. He's like, everything's brown from, just from sweat. Everything's drenched in sweat. He's like all the mattresses. You can't sleep with covers on because it's so hot at night. It's just, it's disgusting.

Everybody I know that's gone to the state of Florida has been like, it's the worst. The guards are brutal, you know, you know. Fed comes like easy commitment. Not that that it's easy, but it's, I'm not, no guards are attacking me or beating me up for looking at them cock-eyed. Nobody's, you know, it's not, it's not, not that. It's not that situation, especially if it's a nonviolent crime.

Right. Like, did you end up in a, well, I was in medium high. Yeah, well, let's, sorry, go ahead. So, so your cousin, he got, he got his case, he got sentenced. So what, what was like kind of the next thing after that that happened? Like the Fed, I understand they got on you.

Who, who started? started watching you. I'm not sure. Did it start in the state or did it, was it feds? I think it was state to start watching me because, you know, like, because nowadays, I start thinking like pictures, I have pictures of memories. You know, like, when you got caught, you wonder why you fucking got caught and you just thinking, thinking, think, yeah, you start noticing that guy last week that I saw two or three

times and he must, you know what? He was there for, like, I thought that was weird, right? Yeah. And there were like cuffsers flying over when I'm the house. I was growing, I was kicking off. You know, I was smoking in the balcony. I'm like, why the fuck is that shit flying over? You know what's happening?

You know, what's happening is most likely that it's funny because, like, if you had ordered the Freedom of Information Act on your case, like, you'd know exactly what was going on. You could order those documents, read the documents, and be like, oh, look, right here, they did fly a helicopter. I didn't know that, bro. Oh, yeah, you can order all that shit, man. I didn't know that. I can show you how to order all that.

Wow. So, but I was going to say most likely somebody said, that's where he's growing. So they flew a helicopter. They tried to look and see and check it out. Well, that's funny. We didn't get anything from the electric company. So then they fly over with the infrared and try and figure out. That's probably why.

But so what, so how did that progress? You start seeing things. What did you, did they ever bring in? Or was it just one day, boom, you got raided? I was, the day that I got raided. The day that one of my house got bussed, it's Kevin Belton's house. I was in my coffee shop, gambling, drink coffee, smoking weed, and shit. The new BMO ViPorter MasterCard is your ticket to more.

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And I just like, I hate that. I was just like, yeah. It's not good. I was like, so I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking. I'm like, fuck, I'm going to do it. this i'm fucking done but but your but the house isn't in your name yeah but i was thinking like i'm you know you know when shit like that you're just like fuck are they onto my house so i'm thinking like so many shit like what's going on the way in all the fucking house did whatever it is and um

so later that night right i want to go clean up my other house so i told like i told my uh the guy from canada i was like yo i got to clean up fucking house you know what I'm saying the hot like we had two houses the other existing house yeah it's like two more you're thinking shut them down shut him down clean up because I was like all right I mean I could go down with one house and he could go down I was like I told Kevin like before this anything happens don't say anything dude no fucking say I'll bail you out right away I did out bail him out that fucking night but I was went to jailed I got cut I were bailed him out you get what I'm saying

right yeah so it's like I told I told him how the game is I was like yo you're a fucking pretty white boy he had no record nothing else going to happen to you the worst you could do is you're going to get a year and some time and for for uh manufacturer for one house it's not a lot it's fucking weed and this is just the local cops yeah okay yeah at that point at that time this is what i told before everything happens like i told because i already know understand how the game works be like your first time fell in you ain't going to get shit this and that you're gonna be really near with you and you know you're you're never been in trouble before you're going to be you're going to be good safety safety value you never been in trouble you can only get

yeah so how i met belton yeah so how i met belton uh Kevin is uh is through Aaron Aaron's my real estate guy right and Kevin is uh Aaron's best friends and I asked before I don't really need Kevin because he was there so I was like Aaron's like I love Aaron he's like my really best friend that time you know he's I still love that fucker you know but he introduced me to Kevin and he said Kevin's good for it. I asked him, yo, is you got good? He's got good for it. Because I'm about let this motherfucker know my life.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And like I had like so many aliens. I'm like a ghost sometime, but people don't really know my name, my real name, anything. They just know like, I'm like that. That's it. So Kevin end up knowing who I am, like what I do inside my business and everything I do. So it was like I was training Kevin to be like kind of me in a way when I will,

focus more time on like, you know, like, because I don't have a nail shop, out of a fucking coffee shop, I'm trying to do legit now. I just need a couple more rounds. I'm fucking done with this. I've been hustled my whole fucking life, you know, I don't need this no more.

And then I showed Kevin how to water plans, how to treatments, how to, you know, went to water, went to cut and whatever. This, I kind of talking and like that, but I didn't, I was still, I was still slinging. I was still growing, like still, you know, doing all my thing. You know, I'm still by.

but I'm not really actually watering, doing all that. You got what I'm saying, bro? So, and whatever it comes out, I was like, I gave you half, you know what I'm saying? So it was kind of like, you know, you're getting rent free. You've got fucking 50% of my, what I'm doing. All you do is fucking water my shit. And kind of like, you know what I'm saying? Do my shit.

And I'm giving, like, she was generous. And so he was watching three motherfucking house like that. So he's just water my plans and so now he really knows me. And that's why he did. So he was doing that while I was just laying and run a business. And the house got raided. He gets arrested. Yeah.

He got pulled over with like a pee. He got pull over? That's what I thought happens. He got pulled over and they got a warrant for his house because that was his address he gave. Motherfucker! I didn't know he got pulled over. They went to his house. I never know he got over.

They went to his, this is what I thought, the cops went to his house. You thought they raided the house and grabbed him at that time. Correct, and he snitched my other house. I didn't know who he got pulled over. No wonder this motherfucker disappeared when I got out of prison.

Seriously, right when he, wait when the news released, I say, oh, I'm about you're out of prison. He motherfucker, he moved to California because somebody told me. I didn't, I'm, don't look at me. I didn't know that. I mean, I assumed he got a

arrested when they raided the house. I assume they raided the house because they saw it from the helicopter or something. They may have pulled him over and been like, look, we're going to your house. Bring us to your house. I mean, who knows how they got there? You know, for him to have gotten pulled over and told them about the house, like that doesn't make sense. He probably got pulled over. They already knew about the house. Most likely. Like, you don't get pulled over for a traffic ticket and say, by the way, I'm running a grow house. Right. So they may have pulled him over to say look we're going to go in the house we need you to bring us we're going to the house we're taking in the house we're going in like it's easier to pull him over in a car than it is

to raid the house he may be in there with a gun they don't know well anyway i'm not going to be mad about fuck yeah so yep so so he and i'm telling my the houses so he tells on he tells hey look they've got other houses yep okay you know suit what trip he tells him your name and that he the hole that lays it out here's the other houses here's yep they yep and then what make it worse did you were you in the house sorry were you i was never in the other house so you weren't even near there i wasn't even near that's why that's why like you know the other houses got robbed or i mean got raided huh did you know the other houses got ready i was going to go clean the house remember that night i wasn't his first house and i was like you were gonna you were gonna get him out

of man i was going like yo i got to chop down on fucking trees because this is like thousands of fucking, you know, this is like every fucking wear. So that's how, but on my way there, I didn't get caught in the house. I got cut driving to the fucking house. Same way he got caught? I'm saying, like, when I read the articles, when I read the articles, it was like, there was like one house and they were like, hey, there's, you know, there was a raid, this guy got arrested, there was one house.

And it was like, it was like, I forget, it was like 900 plants or something. I was like, oh, it was like 900 plants. Oh, okay. And then I was like, oh, hey, here's another. article you know a week later two weeks later and I was like oh there's two more houses now it's three houses like oh and now it's it's not 900 plants jump to like 3,500 plant you know what I'm sorry it was like 2,400 plans then there was another article and now it's 4,000 plants and there's there's just kept growing like I was like man this is getting like I could see the dominoes

kind of bop bop bop bop you know falling yeah you could read the articles and realize it's getting worse like I don't know what's happening but whoever's a involved in this every article it's gotta be like oh man this is bad this bad it's only getting worse it is so they so they hit all those houses I've a quite so did you so you were a group like there were other the other people that you were buying from did those houses get hit too yeah they do see that's why houses total I think was like 13 yo man you see what happened you see the the domino effects what it brought us down because maybe one guy what you think like my fucking family so

ain't know about me, be like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Because I brought an outsider and did that. So you think if it was, it was the Vietnamese community, they would have, they would have just taken the charge and gone for a year, just taking it? I don't even know. No, it's not, I mean, it was just, they're blamed me because they say, because you brought in the guy. Yeah. Yeah, I was, it could have been anybody. But they don't, I mean, they don't see that, they don't see like that. They say it's like, they want to blame, point a finger of somebody. Yeah, yeah. And I was a fucking guy to blame for it. That was it. I get a lot of people who are always like,

well, do you think, I actually had a comment, Colby, I had a comment from a guy, one of the guys they were asking questions, do you think if you had never gotten involved with these girls, you would have gotten busted? And I was like, yeah,

eventually I would have gotten busted. You've got 50 to 100,000 law enforcement officers looking for this or looking for drugs or, I'm number one in the Secret Service. The FBI's looking for me too, and the U.S. Marshals, like, I'm a sharp guy, but I'm not that sharp. Like, I, eventually, I'm going to get caught, you know. If it hadn't been those chicks, it would have been six months later.

Look, it was almost multiple times before that that I almost got caught. Like, I was bound to fuck up, you know. If it wasn't, if it wasn't, you know, Kevin getting busted, it was going to be somebody. Yeah. Something was going to happen. Somebody would have got pulled over. Some drug dealer would have said, okay, they would have got busted. You would have shown up to drop off some drugs.

He would have worn a wire. You know, they would have followed you. They were going to, it's all going to come down at some point. You know, these organizations, they always end up falling apart at some point. So to start pointing, that's the guy. Okay, well, if it wasn't him, if we're pointing at him, you'd be pointing at this guy two months later, or this guy six months later or this guy a year later, it's going to come down. Yeah.

You just, it's just not, the systems, look, they're just too good. Like, they really are. They got the surveillance. They've got everything. They know what they're doing. They do, man. It's you and 10 other guys working against 100,000 cops with an inexhaustible budget. I mean, you can't expect the.

You can't win. Right. So, yeah. So, so, so you were, where were you when you heard that these places start getting busted? Like, were you still free? Oh, no. You said they grabbed. you they brought you to the one place right um the grab yeah how many houses got busted before

they grabbed you that's what i'm wondering one house oh just just just one house Kevin's house and then one and then they pulled you over and grabbed you yep and after that two my other house got busted okay and then the other house after that the other houses and the whole but that was the first one right my that's why like you're right man no matter what's gonna bound to happen no matter what because we had to run all them years. We got like a six, seven, eight years run, you know what I'm saying? Well, it's just like you, like you were just saying that you were like, you know, because you had gotten away, like you got that one charge and it was minor and you become,

and that's what happened with me. I become arrogant, emboldened. You start feeling like I'm invincible. Like, this isn't a big deal. Yes, sir. Same thing. My first charge I ever got, it was like, I got three years probation. I'm good.

What are they going to do? Catch me and give me 26 years? that's never going to happen right oh yeah get smart they're going they're gonna fuck you up you know it's it's i was think if i had initially when i got arrested if i had gotten more time if i actually had to call to prison maybe it would have smartened me up but so when you got did get grabbed did you ever get out on bond yeah i was on bond yeah well state that's why i laughed oh state that's why i laughed i was like you guys

can't get me fucking state i didn't know what fed was so i was I was like, state, I beat state. I shit on state. That's what I thought. I was like, state. So I was out on bond. I was like, all right, I got one of my days, you know. And then when the feds came in the next day, I was like,

The next day? Yeah. I know guys that literally have gotten out on bond from the state and they're walking out of the courthouse and the feds grab them. Yeah. Like they'll let you put up like $50 or $100,000 or $200,000 and then arrest you walking out of the courthouse. I couldn't believe it. Wait, is that what happened to you? Or you said the next day.

The next day. went home well the next day at 6 p.m. they went with my uh my house i was i was they're like dressed normal and i'm just like what the fuck and they're like they didn't let me go inside the house nothing you know they didn't let me anything go over there grabbed me and just took me go and that was it who who was it was it that i know but was it like d-e a FBI i think it was d'ea or some shit like that or fbi i want those fuckers yeah i don't know what's they're normal they look normal it was intimidating and shit so they's like yo you know here i am right i never done fucking state prison county yeah here i'm going to the big boys so how so you were so they

grabbed you um how did they grab anybody else um they grabbed me first right you know but after they grabbed me i yeah i think you They grabbed my partner from Canada and without a guy to watch his house. In Canada? Yeah. Well, no, no. Oh, and so he was in Nebraska. Yeah, I call him, he's my partner, but he's kind of like an older, because I'll call him like uncle.

Right. You know, and got him too. But he didn't, but he was smart. He went back to Canada. So I never really got him. They're Canadian. You're a Canadian citizen. Oh, okay.

So all those Canadian motherfuckers went back home. So they really got none. Okay. Yeah. So here I am. Like I was charged with like leader conspiracy and all that bullshit. I'm like, what? They charged me all this and they're like, we're going to do this.

We're going to do this. I'm just like, fuck me. So how what? So you got out, you got grabbed, picked up, thrown in the U.S. Marshall's hold. Yes. Yeah, Marshall's Holdover, right? How long, did you, and did you get a public defender?

because I'm pretty sure they took your money. They start seizing everything. You can't prove you've got, well, you can't really, maybe you could prove, yeah, you can't really prove you have any legitimate money. The businesses are being used to launder money. They say, like, oh, they say we wash your shop. You don't make no fucking money, they're right. We know it.

It's bullshit. Can't get a private attorney. They, they, public defender. They got, they're good, they're good. They're good You know I mean to lose them like that They're good

But Yeah so here I am You know And I was facing 10 of life Plus a bullshit Fucking charge Of a leader conspirator With leader participants

A bullshit Like I was They're making I was like This big dude Which I'm not Mother fuck I was growing Weed support my fucking kid You know

Leader organizer? Yeah it's a leader of the participant of legal organizer some bullshit Okay Yeah conspiracy I don't fucking know

Are they trying to hit you With all the houses Yeah They're trying to say yeah They try to hit me Well they hit me with all the houses already So that's how I ended up I was I started with 10 of life

Right What's your what's your Public Defender telling you Did you even think about going to trial Or you're thinking just Try and cut as good of a plea as I can I was thinking going to trial that would have been a mistake

that would have been a mistake I think they'll hit him in like 25 years Oh yeah We wouldn't be talking So I have a question Is What did you think when the public defender said You're looking at like a minimum

Of like you're looking at 10 years minimum If everything goes right You're looking at least 10 year What'd you think? The first thing is fuck I'm not going to see my mom tell I'm not going to see her last fucking day That's the first thing

I always brought my mind. Fuck, my mom's not going to see me no more. It's funny how when you're facing that, how suddenly everything becomes, like all those things you took for granted suddenly become important. It's like, fuck, like all these, it's, yeah, it's not until like you,

it's, you know, it's like, it's not until you lose everything that you realize what was really important. Yeah. Like that, but I bet the one thing you didn't think about was, what, oh, I'm not going to be able to drive my Ferrari again. Like, you could care less about that. Like all that stuff, like when it happened to me, when it happened, I mean, my first thought was not, man, I'm not going to be able to drive my Audi or see my girlfriend or, you know, all those things that I was stealing that money for.

I didn't care about any of that. My first thought was like my mom, my son, my, you know, all that. You know, but when you're out there, I wasn't thinking about it. Yeah, for some reason, you're right, bro. Just like, I was like, man, I'm not going to see my mom to like, fuck, she's going to die. and I know she's going to die before I get outside of fuck fucks me up you know and uh well fucks me up even more is when my wife divorced me i didn't give a fuck about the money anything uh she divorced me like my lowest moment in my life and she i got this divorced letter

you know so i was like i took it all right so you're looking you're looking at 10 years correct right um so your buddy um sorry so kevin i mean i mean i mean i mean i mean Kevin's already rolling over on you. Is everybody starting to roll over on each other? Like people are starting to be arrested. The whole, like the dominoes are falling. Like, what happens with your lawyer? At what point, you're looking at 10 years minimum.

You're thinking about, you said you told me earlier, you were thinking about going to trial. Correct. Like, obviously, which would have been a horrible idea. But because you, the fact is in the feds, like, you know this, and the feds, they just get two people to say it. You don't have, they don't have to be pictures.

Nothing. They can get like one or two guys to just sit on the stand and say he was involved, he was running it, and the jury will convict because the jury thinks, well, the government wouldn't lie. And immediately you could end up with a life sentence. So you're already looking at 10 years to, was it life? Yes, 10 of life. So what ended up happening? What was what did your lawyer say? Like, everybody's rolling over on each other. Like at what point did you say, like, what did you decide to do? Well, I didn't really decide to do anything But I was thinking about going to trial Because I didn't really get caught physical Got caught in the house Right I was just like driving

It was just like It was just like guy was saying Yeah, that was a guy I worked for Kevin's pointing out He worked for me So that was it You know what I'm saying And they say when they caught me

They found like some fucking tape And some cleaning supplies So they know I was going there And they also saw my garage thing. So that's why I'd link me up to that house that I was going. Right. So now it doesn't really. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah.

And everybody always thinks that, especially in the federal system. They always think, well, they didn't catch me with the drugs. It doesn't matter. I was done. They got me and that was it. Yeah, you're watching too much law and order. That's what you think. You're watching too much law. Yeah, man. That's not how it works.

So I'm done. They give me two choices. Roll over. When you're a forward thinker, you don't just bring your game you bring your AI game workday is the AI platform that transforms the way you manage your people money and agents so you can transform tomorrow work day moving business forever forward oh fucking take the plea um and three oh go to trial you know what was a plea the plea was like 10 right you know go to try i'll go get more no matter what i'm starting out 10 years that's no matter what if you went to trial you get life yeah 10 to 10 to life and the

but the number is 10. And you got it in the feds, you got to do fucking. Yeah. There's a mandatory minimum of 10 years. And you know, you can't get less than that. Yeah. And, you know, maybe through like some good, like, through like a halfway house or some bullshit. Drug, they took up like year or some bullshit like that.

You still got to do like almost like 10 years. No matter what, you know, you can that. Yeah, there's no, there's no parole. I always love the guys like, can't you get parole? There's no parole. So there's no federal parole. There's, you get a little bit of time off for, for good time, like 15% off. Like, that's it.

That's if everything goes right. That's if you don't lose any gain time. Guys lose gain time for everything. Anytime you get in trouble, they take away 50 days, 40 days. You just lost 25 days. You just like very few people get all of their good time. So anyway, so yeah, you're looking at 10 years. Yeah, I was looking at 10 years.

And, um, and, uh, that time. when I lost everything, maybe the first picture I thought was my mom, and I'm not going to see my mom no more. And, you know, it's kind of like, it fucked you up, like, you know, should I snitch? Should I cross a fucking line? Should I do this? Should I do that? They got my fucking balls. Like, what are my plans? What are my options? Where are my choices? And, you know, and there's like, there's loyalty, and there's also there's, hey, I have a fucking life and this and that. So how do you choose between loyalty and having, you know, having your life?

You, you know, I'm saying? Because everybody's guilty or, you know, we all do. You know, Aaron was guilty because he know what I was doing. Kevin know what I was doing. We are guilty. We just don't fucking admit shit, you know, and I was like, I was thinking, like, you know, and the cops are pressing me hard. The feds, they're like, you know, we're going to hit your lead of participant,

money laundering and all this fucking charges I had like bro what the fuck man you know and my court all my lawyer was I ever did was like just fucking I don't know kids just take the fucking plea to give you this how it is in the feds

you know we got much time it is and just take it take it take it and then I was like no matter what I'm getting 120 fucking months you know and I think I was young and I like I didn't what kills me the most is like I didn't went down for some shit

that I did like I got covered But this is Kevin. He snitch on me. So that was my self-defense, like justifications. Yeah. That was your justification. Yeah, like, oh, yeah. You know, I was like,

that'm all fucking snitch on me and this. Why should I go down like that? So that's why I dragged Aaron down because Aaron's the one to introduce Kevin to me and say he was good for it. I trust this motherfucker. He ran around, snitching,

took my whole fucking family down. So I was so fucking pissed. I thought about that. So maybe that was my way out or whatever it is. Right. So I ended up on Aaron. You know, it's fucked up. It's fucked up.

I was fucking crying and try because that's my friend. But he was cooperating too, right? No, he went to trial. Yeah. But then, like, it was so fucked up that, but he only got like 10 years. So he's out right now already. You know, but what fucked up is, like, I never lived that life. I was like telling somebody.

I live in that fucking, you know, that hood life. Oh, you don't tell shit shit. But when the King Cups, when everything is taking, you know, your finance away from you, your family's away from you, every fucking thing's away from you. And, you know, you always want to look for somebody to blame or whatever it is. So I kind of like, you know, I blame Aaron why he introduced me to Kevin did all that, that. But in reality, years later when, you know, right now, I'm thinking, man, you know what I'm saying? like I'm sorry

like you know the game played like that that's how you know sometime that's how it is you know like we all fucking guilty of what we do so I feel bad that I told on him but

did Kevin tell on him did Kevin cooperate against him yeah Kevin cooperate and Kevin's niche me first so right yeah so Kevin Aaron there were also your family members ended up getting jammed up right so there's a bunch of people that got ended up getting correct okay well so what did how much time did you end up getting well the Cups all to worry

about the feds the main feds uh fucking officer fucker what's the fucking name is um he wonder well how I did this organization how I how I did it and he wants to know like how they was able to steal all this power because they don't know that so they don't want my piece that's why like I got a reduce sentence because of that too, because I told them myself, that's why I was able to walk in my yard, the yard. People, like, you cannot really walk in it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, so that's how I was like, I really, I told myself too. You know what I'm saying? They asked how you did it and you- You explain how you rigged the, the power, the power thing, yeah, and everything else. So, and I end up serving. I think it was like four years, too much.

or four years, five months, instead of 10 years. When you say four years, how much are you including your halfway house? That's including everything. I didn't get a halfway house. You didn't get halfway house? I didn't get none of that. I thought I was getting deported because, you know, like, I used to be, I didn't have a, I'm an American citizen. So I thought I was getting deported.

And I'm American citizen now. Fuck yeah. Right. I won, you know. But I thought I was going to get deported. So as soon as we released me, I thought that. immigration kind of picked me up and deport me because i holy shit that would have sucked yeah bro to think about like all the shit i went through so you know when i get out prison i was like

i didn't know where it's to go and since i'm introvert prison was kind of cool because i'm really fucking i could deal by myself i'm really you know what i'm saying right so it wasn't out bad you know my mind i i used to yeah i was the same way like i i just want to be able to read and walk the yard You know, walk the, you know, walk a lapse and work out and just, I want to eat my meals and be, I want to be left alone. Like, I don't want to. I'm not here to hang out and play softball and, and make, make a bunch of friends and stuff. Like, it's not, you know, I had very, I had a very small group of guys I talked to. Yeah.

Very few. I knew some guys that were like social butterflies. Like, they, they were like, hey, Timmy, John, Bob, what's up? Hey, we're all getting together. Like, they're on, they're playing softball. They're on two softball teams. They're playing in handball competitions. They're going to, they're in the culinary arts classes.

They're taking ACE courses. Like, what the hell? Like these guys are like, it's like college for them. They're loving it. Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't, I just, I just wrote. Yeah, man. So my story is a little different.

That's why my shot color, I could walk around a yard and be like that because it wasn't like, I crossed boundaries. but it wasn't like the bad it wasn't like I did it myself it was like somebody you know I'm saying right so that's why I was able to do like I just walked a yard and they just you know where'd you get sent yeah I'm gonna Illinois so you know at that time it was it was good you know I mean I went through all that bullshit I'm glad the trial was over all this bullshit was over now you know I got a few years I want to do

And so I don't know when I get out. So one day, I just get a phone call for my lawyer, but like, hey, you know, we just set it out with the judge. You're going to be released. And I'm like, what? What do you mean? Like, yeah, everything is done. You got your cut, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying?

So that day, like two days later after the phone call. So you got 10 years. Yeah. How long before you got your sentence reduced? Four years and some change, four years and three months. Oh, Jesus. My God. That's a long time.

Yeah, well, they come me right away and just fucking, they just kicked me off the prison. So that's why, like, I wasn't prepared. Well, what most people don't realize is, so I think if you're someone who's watching it, they're like, okay, so you actually, like, you'll get sentenced.

So you got 10 years. You're doing 10 years. Correct. And then you have to wait. So you cooperated, but you have to wait for the government to file something to reduce your sentence. So a lot of times, they might never file it.

Like you might, you might cooperate, help them out, do everything you need to do that they ask you to. And they go, eh, we disagree. It didn't really help us. And then that was what happened in my case. Right. Like, I cooperated twice. And both times they tried to not give me anything. Yeah.

But so you've done four years and then one day you get a call from your lawyer saying they're cutting your sentence. Yeah. Okay. So, and yeah. And. Because that could have never come. No, I didn't. I was, like, I was suspected that.

And the thing was, I was adapting to prison life. Right. I was adapting. I had my own hustle. I was slain serious. I bought a year than this dude. I was just, you know, I was like, I was a compound yard pick trash picker. So I was going to like dorm or dorm, but like, yo, you know what I'm serious? And I was picking up shoes from the cops, you know what I'm saying? Like, let's be chews out. I picked them all myself to this motherfucker. I was like, I have, yo, yo, yo, this prison shit, all right? Yeah, yeah. Listen, man. It's a whole thing. Yeah. It's a whole thing.

Yeah. The cops will throw the cigarettes down. You pick up the cigarette butts and then they'll break up little. Because you were saying a book. $7, bro. Yeah, $7. These guys are pay ridiculous money, ridiculous money for, yeah. Yeah, Matt. Good stuff. Good stuff.

Yeah. Oh, there's so many hustles. Guys will fold clothes. Guys will wash clothes. Guys will make people's food. Guys will make your bed. Guys will clean your rooms. There's just tons of, they cut hair.

The barbers in prison cut better hair than the guys out here cut. Correct. And better than the barbers at the barbers shop who had the actual correct tools would cut. I mean, there's a ton of just different hustles. Like, I taught the ace course. Oh, yeah? Like, I taught the real estate course and I sold certificates. So you don't have to, like, you know, they want you, the, your counselors want you to get certificates.

You get for certificates and then they'll recommend you supposedly for more halfway house. If you get certificates, we want you to constantly be taking. an ace course yeah well guys don't want to take an ace course they don't want to take the fucking real estate course they don't want to so they'd come and some of the guys are like look i don't want to learn how to do real estate like i'm getting out to sell drugs again like they're like i just need the certificate so i can get more halfway house and so they come to me i said great give me two coffees and two creamers i'll fill out all the tests i'll put down that you came to every class you'll get your certificate yeah and so you'd always have five or 10

guys so i always had tons of coffee and creamer crammed into my in my locker so i've never had to pay for cost of the thing man yeah the guys draw they they draw portraits like there's some great artists some dude mc purses and stuff too i sent my daughter like some purses bro yeah wallets to wallets it all kind of leather crap wallets was real lizard bro yeah really is the skin like gators and all that so um i always loved the old gangsters like there's some old gangster who's like 60 years old who's like been in state prison and murdered three people and He's got a life sentence for selling Coke or crack or something, and they'll be sitting there knitting.

Like the whole school is, yep. Knit like a teddy bear for some guy's daughter. It's like, what is going on there? Crocheting, crocheting. Oh, man, you know. Ridiculous. Yeah, man. She's some hardcore guys.

So you were in prison, and one day you get the phone call, and boom, how long before after that call for you? Like two days. Two days? Did you think you were going to ICE? I thought I was, I thought immigration is going to pick me up because I'm an immigrant. And immigration, you've got a felony there to deport you. Right.

So that's what happened. I thought I was going to get deported. So, and I wish I didn't, thank God. So when I get out, I don't know where to go. I'm going to send me back to Nebraska because that's where my case is at. And I was like, shit. So I have no family. I got an ex-wife of Nebraska.

and I just basically I don't you know what I was there everybody moved so I'm like fuck so the minute when I got up the bus I was like yo I think I'd rather stay in prison you know and then I called my ex-wife up and she was nice enough to give me the basement I live in the basement I'm an ex-wife's house fucking embarrassment what is I just got done telling you I almost 18 months for I think 16 months I stayed in my ex-girlfriend her son had to move out of his room with her husband her and her husband and her two kids and

I moved in there 14 months and listen when I left none of them wanted me to leave I'm doing all the odd jobs that the husband doesn't want to do course two kids love me yeah like they still text me to I got a text yesterday from one of them and they text me all the time they call they call me like we were but that was 14 months later the first month or two horrible embarrassing. You're just, it's humiliating. It's an, oh, it's got to be, it's the worst. It is worse. So, uh, luckily I, I still have my old car. Uh, is, uh, 90. The Ferrari? No, uh, yeah. The Maroon. The Maroon. You didn't have the Ferrari? No, I know. I left that, uh, it was my sister's car. So it's under my sister. I gave it to my sister. It was like her, but I never

delivered a goddamn car because I got busted. Right. So a brother ended up driving, this car was like, like apple candy red you know what you yeah you know you know it was sick and it was like I had TV and system but I was before like I went in prison well I get out prison I was like this motherfucker like shit and it'll start so I'm like oh man I would have to go like try to fix this motherfucker up so now I got a car a piece of shit car that I'm embarrassed drives right and he drives you know what I and um and I was like I was working for davengy deliver pizza and then after that at night time

I was a bouncer for a black club right a black club imagine me being a bouncer and you know be like shooting shit motherfuckings got beat up and just it's a hood bro it's a hood club right

you know what I'm saying and um one day one day I just kind of like talk to my pen pal which I'm currently married to right now she's my wife we have a 40 girls son together So while you were in prison, there's like pen pal services, right?

Was it a service? No, it was like, I know on her like way back and we're just friends. Oh, okay. So you started writing this, just a chick that you did, you knew previously. So you started writing her. Okay. Yeah. And when I came out, I went over in Massachusetts and I started working as an instruction guy.

And that was it. And after that, I found out my company. tough hands tough hands glove dot com so you married the girl yes you have another son yes so now you have two boys okay and you started and at the same time you started a company because you were working construction correct and you started a company does uh that designs gloves that are like cut resistant gloves okay because i work for uh i worked for uh select demo and I was a labor and I look at the gloves I didn't like how the glove is

so I just wanted to create more on product but I was inspired by the president of the company he's a young kid's name is Ryan Denver he's a high school dropped out what happened is now he owns like nine companies I was inspired what I lost my fire after prison

I just want to be a regular fucking guy get my own you know go to work 40 hours a week and just be like that but when I met that guy I was like he did what what inspired me to be that driven again, that fire again? So, you know, after that, I work at a union for demolitions. And in the morning, I said, I cut resistant gloves, too.

So I was involved more stuff now than before because of that. So, okay, so you design the gloves. Correct. Like, and you have them manufactured? Yes. So I make the gloves. I designed the gloves and I had it made overseas and sent over here. tough hand is

T-U-F-F-F-H-A-N-D-S Tough hands because Like, it's called tough hands Because, you know, guys like us get out of prison We're felons, we can't We have no options And we have to work our way up again Just to be normal like everyone fucking else

All right So I lie, you know, everything's fucking tough for us That's why I call tough hands Like with these fucking tough hands I'll build my fucking empire again Shit like that Right It's a thing that, you know

So I trademarked that I own that brand right all right and you're and you're and you're selling the gloves and you're yeah you said you told me earlier you were selling you sold in the construction companies and the demolition companies and the just different companies that have basically you wear gloves um this is funny because you know that in coleman they made all the guards had to buy glove they they made gloves that were like cut resistant because of cut and oh and puncture resistance no way yeah and there was a whole there was a whole thing It was on the news because the guards wanted the gloves, and they wanted the prison to pay for it.

They didn't want to pay for it. And the guards complained, and they were like, oh, it puts them in danger. Like, what if they get attacked? Somebody's got a knife. Somebody, they put a hand in somebody's pocket and the person has, like, a high cap needle and stuff. So they ended up making the,

making them buy those gloves. Interesting. Thank you. Might want to think about going to different states. The feds are obviously taken care of. Maybe the states. Yeah. Might want to contact.

at the States and say, hey, these are cut resistant. Something to think about it. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, so you live with your wife and your kid? Yeah. Everything's back to normal nowadays. I got married by the house, live with my kid, have her decent life. Everything's, like, I'm a normal. It's pretty normal.

Life is pretty normal nowadays. You know, it's not bad. Like, I mean, sometime when I reminisce about a past, it fucks me up a little bit. But I just try to be like, go through it every day. But it still hunts me at night, going through, like, my case and the years and this and that. I have no regrets. There's no fucking regrets or, you know, whatever happens, it happens. Because at the end of the day, I have a beautiful son now.

So I have no regrets. I would do it again. How long have you been out? I've been out like five years, I think. Okay. Five years and something. All right. So, the...

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