Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Largest Nike Theft In US History (How We Did It)

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

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He said, man, you pissed Michael Jordan off. They really fell for this. I'm outsmarted the feds. I said, hey, man, call my dad and tell them they got me. That's the dude right there. They got caught with all the joins. Everybody just did this. Now, everybody's just around to me just like, man, how do you do it?

As we pulling in the yard, that was the word phone call I had with me. I'm sitting in Coats, better known as Coco, but I'm originally from Shreveport, Louisiana. Arizona. We grew up in a good neighborhood. It was called Country Club. So I was a green. I was green. A little

young kid. All I knew was being a square and playing sports. As time was flying, my mom and dad used to always argue because my dad had plenty women. He was a club owner. He had a club. All this, y'all so you know what come with it.

I was going to say. You know, so my mom and dad separated. So now I'm with my mom We're living in the country Down in Louisiana The town called Mansfield You know

So it was cool going on the weekends But now I'm staying here every day You know I ain't with this country life You know You're feeding horses and cows And you know The chickens and pigs

I'm used to in the city streets Playing sports football basketball, baseball, just the normal stuff kids did. Right. But I didn't know nothing about bad or hoods or nothing, you know. So as we living in this country town, I kept begging my mom, mom, we need to get back to Shreveport. Like, I can't do this. Please get back with Dad.

So I guess she listened to what I said and got back with my father. So as we moving back, I'm thinking. And I'm going right back to this same neighborhood, good neighborhood, country club. And we in my grandma house. My grandma stay in the hood, the ghetto. And I'm like, oh, there's something different, you know. And I never forget my first day in the neighborhood. How old were you?

By the time you moved that, roughly, what I was kindergarten, so maybe six, maybe six, yeah. I'm like six years old. So like I say, sports in the country. That's all I knew. So my first day in the hood, I had to go outside to get something out the car. I go outside. I remember my underwear, my drawers, my little G.I. Joe draws.

And I walk outside, and I look down the street. It's a whole bunch of kids my age. They just hanging out. And I heard somebody say, can you old punk ass back in the house? You know, I'm a kid. I never heard cuss words from kids, you know, maybe from adults. You know, I'm like, man, it freaked me out.

Like, damn, so I ran back in the house. I tried again the next day. I said, I'm going to go down there and introduce myself. Man, I go down there, and the first day of the guy and say, care your punk ass back home, you know, so they treat me like, you know, I'm like, damn, I just want to play. And they're looking at, you know, he's a rich kid. You know, because I got both parents, both parents working, you know.

So as time ago, I finally get a chance to get down there and mingle. And this guy, they call him Lou. His real name, Eugene, but we used to call him Lou. He was like the leader of all the little kids. And, man, this guy used to whip my ass every day. When I say he's older than you? He's old. He's maybe like two years old than me.

Okay. You know, but he was the leader. Right. And man, this guy used to whip my ass every day. I'm talking about every day. Send me home crying. Send me home crying. So one day my dad come out there, he said, he grabbed a big old long stick.

He said, you go out there and wear their ass out. So I'm like, okay. So as I'm walking with the stick, you know, I look. I noticed my dad just to stop with his handphone. He's watching me go out. I'm like, well, you ain't going with me? You know, like where are you at? So eventually I turned the round too

I said I ain't going down there about myself Get my ass whoop, you know Right So I come back home Next day I go back outside again The guy whooped my ass again Same stuff

Send me on crying So this last time His grandmother Seen it And she told She said That's a good boy You better not touch him no more

And after that The guy he looked at me He said, you better be glad my grandma got me off you. So he took me on this wing. And so now I'm wondering why he started picking on me and, you know, this stuff and that. He's really trying to train me and get the scared of me because he don't want nobody scared around him. You know, he was just really off him to this. Like, this is a guy I knew at an early age he was going to jail.

Right. Because he was ready to kill, like, at an early age. You know, so the more I hung with him, The more he raised me, teaching me the streets He's getting me tough He instigating us to fight other kids You know, so I'm studying growing and growing But I'm playing sports in the hood, in the neighborhood

So all the kids know, this kid really got potential Even the older guys You know, so By the time I get to like fifth grade On fifth grade now I'm gang banging with the roll of 60 Crips. How old is fifth grade?

Like 10 or 12? Yeah. Maybe something like that. Maybe 8, 9, something like that. Now, I'm full-fledged participating in gang activity. I'm an athlete. And I'm being a player, too. I want to be like my dad.

You know, most boys want to be like their dad. And I realized the girls liked it because they were all, well, he's cute in the house, you know, this, that, this and that. So I had to deal with that. So now, as I kind of got a little status, I'm meeting all the other guys in the neighborhood. And I'm noticing, like, everybody, like, five or six, they're all families. This family on this tree, this family on this street, this family on this street, this family on here. I'm a loner.

I'm by myself. I don't have nobody. So now I'm meeting these guys, more tough guys. And more of the tough guys, they study little. like, hey, this little little brother. Now people think I'm his brother because we so much together. So now I'm on a no-touch zone now, like, hey, he's all limited. Now all the older homies in the neighborhood, they're looking out for me.

So as times progress, I'm shooting, shooting guns. We used to go up to the interstate. We had a trail that lead to the interstate, man, and just shoot that innocent people in their cars. That's what we did, you know, just stupid stuff, throwing bricks and billboarders at your house, you know, just a little devious kid stuff, you know. I'm having sex in the fifth grade. I lost my virginity, so I'm feeling like I'm grown now. Right.

You know. So, as time started progressing, I'm studying moving, I got a little status now. Now my name ringing in the streets and in the sports. So my dad put me in sports round Fifth, sixth grade Like organized ball Right I go out there

I don't know none of these kids I'm going to see kids from my neighborhood or the school I don't know none of them And I'm cold This guy put me at the center position I'm like what the fuck I don't play no center I'm a Barry Sanders

You know I bet I talk to my dad I ain't with that You know but my dad said now I stick with it Now, you're going to ride it out. I said, okay. So I rode it out.

That next year when I come back to that same team, they call me to the back, like, hey, we want you to play quarterback. I said, okay, I'm fine with that. And ever since that day, it was like that. I was the Michael Vick, the coldest thing around, football, basketball, baseball, tennis, track, whatever. I was dead. But at the same time, I'm still disguising my game culture from, you know, my parents and all the people that surround the sports. They think I'm a good kid, but I'm really hanging with some people that don't get with damn. Right.

You know? So, it's time progressing with that. Now I'm like 8th grade, still gang banging, still shooting. Now, I ain't still. My parents taught me not to steal because we had money. So I wasn't a thief. So now these coaches, they were cruel. They tried to give me to come to their schools, this and that, this and that.

And we had a school named Evangelo. This was a known school in Shreveport that they always go to the championship. But they wear school uniforms. And I'm like, I ain't with that. You know what I'm going to wear a school year? I ain't with that. I'm a thug. I ain't wearing no penny loafers.

You know, I'm not with that. So I said, now I don't want to go. So I said, I'm going to go with my homeboy at. So I went there, ninth grade year, very active. So as I get there, the coach noticed how I'm moving. So he called me in there. He said, look here sitting there. Either you're going to play football or you're going to hang with them game bangers.

Which one are you going to do? The coach sees this, but your dad didn't see it? I think my dad's seen it, but what I left out, my dad ran the streets. Okay. So he wasn't at home a lot. You know, he was always gone. My dad was the type, he'll leave the house. I'd be at the bus stop next morning.

He's just not getting back. You know what I'm saying? My dad was that party guy, Ludd and snout, coat. That was just his thing. Right. You know. And once the coach told me, I'm like, God damn, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I, I'm, you know, I stay with, this is my neighborhood,

these are my friends, like, how am I tell these guys this? You know? So I told, I said, well, you know, I'm going to play ball. I get home, I go to Lou. He's the leader. I go to Lou. I said, man, coach tripping. He said, I can't hang with y'all no more. And I'm thinking he's going to cuss me out

and this and that. He was like, that's what's up. You represent the hood on the field, and we'll take care of you off the field. Don't worry about it. Go do it. So I'm like, wow, that was easy. You know, so I'm cool. So now, I'm meeting more people. I'm getting more respect.

My athletics, it's getting better. So now I'm a freshman, and I'm playing on a varsity level. My coach put me in in a playoff game, scared as a dog. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm scared as cold. I'm a freshman, and I'm sitting up here watching the free safety getting smoked all game, you know. So the coach come to me, he say, can you handle that? I'm looking like, oh, shit.

You know, I couldn't tell him, no, because I was scared. But I said, yeah, I got it. I got it. So he told me, he said, when we come back out at the halftime, I'm going to put you in and be messed up. I said, okay. We come back at hand time, man, soon when that guy messed up, that man slapped me on my ass. so hard, boom, told me get in the game. I said, whew.

And when I get in the game, man, you can look at all the seniors in the huddle, you know, all the guys there in the huddle, and they're looking like, oh, I hope this guy, you know, and I'm starting looking to, I'm just as nervous as them. And, man, the first play, that quarterback came right at me. He threw it at him, and I rapped him, boom. You know what I'm saying? And they don't know, okay, they tried it again.

came right back again The same reaction Boom There ain't no action Over there They didn't throw no more over there So I'm like Damn you know

So coach said hey I got me a cornerback next year Even the other team coach Recognized me And I couldn't believe He's like good game freshman I'm like damn Okay

So now I got beating us now I'm young You know I'm with the voice of the guys I'm in the game So now as I had to slow down the game banging I meet a guy named Zerico

he was on the team too he played football and basketball with us too but he went off and took that lifestyle he was a good kid but he had a lot of women so I said okay this I convide with that so me and him grew and then Roger Brown

all us you know running together so now we said, man, we playboys. How old, how old are you? I'm like, 16, 17? Yeah, 16, 17 is up in there. So now we've formed the group. We're calling ourselves the playboys.

But we're not thinking this serious. We just said we playboys, you know. And by the time we went to two parties, it was all over time. Playboy, playboy. We started looking like, damn, they take any serious. So now we recruit them. And now it came to where all the guys that's popular in the other high schools in the area, they're with us now.

But most of them was through Zeriko because Zeriko knew a lot of them. I didn't know those type of people. I knew nothing but gangsters and people from my neighborhood, you know. So now we're going to form this clique Everywhere we went It was playboy, playboy, playboy, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, that's the life We go to Pardis, it was like we was the Wu-Tang clan We're pulling up 30, 40, D, everybody

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I'm not going to lie. I forgot the head dead. I was doing drugs. I was drinking. and still go on the football field and show you what time it is. So as time progressed, now I'm like 11th grade. I'm getting heavily recruited, heavily recruited, man. I'm talking about it was so bad to where the poster guy that came to my mom,

my parents' house, he'd be like, wow, man, you're getting letters from all these schools. You must be really good. You know, I'm like, yeah, I stay on the news, you know. I'm running touchdowns. I'm doing it all. So as I'm getting heavily recruited, my coach started trying to talk to me and tell me like, hey, man, you need to get your grades right.

Because there's nobody telling me about you got to have good grades and taking the ACT. I didn't know none of it. I never did homework. I never did homework in sixth grade because the teachers passed me because of who I was. I just sitting in class and talk shit. I didn't give a damn long day getting me lease. So, see, you know, I'm good.

So. But the coach is thinking you may be going to play ball at, you know, at a university. And regardless, they're going to want you to, you know, have decent scores. Yeah. But I didn't know. Right. You know, I didn't know it. I'm just thinking that I'm so good.

My talent going to get me to where I need to go. Not thinking it. Mm-hmm. So as time go, now I'm taking the ACT test. The recruits started coming, they call and tell me they're going to buy me this and buy me dad. And, you know, just, I'm like, okay, now I'm feeling myself. I'm feeling myself bad. Like, wow.

So time, you know, keep going. I get a phone call. It was my cousin Tamika, and they're staying in the country town where my mom from. So she said, hey. It's a guy here with these Jordan tennis shoes. You might need to get down here. I say, for real? Because we had heard there's somebody, you know,

it's been people robbing trains and stuff. You know that kind of stuff. It got around. And coming from where I'm from, Shreveport, Louisiana, it's north. It's not South Louisiana, like New Orleans and Baner. We're like five hours away. So our lifestyle is totally different from theirs.

So kids and people might. having that type of money and stuff like that, you don't hear about it. It's no good. So we get down there. It's me, Zerico, Shug, B, Mac, and J.R. We loaded up in Zerico

grandma car. She had a big old old old L.T.D. Big orange car, big ugly car. And, man, we dry down now. We get there, and we see the dude got the shoes spread it out. I was like, okay, you know, damn, shit, he really got him.

So, we pay the dude come to me. What are you paying for these? Well, I gave him $75. And what are they typically? Oh, like $200. Okay. Yeah, like $200. He gave me a deal for $705.

So. I'm curious, they found, they got these, these Jordans, they're stolen, like, from, like, like, the semi-truck. They fell off a truck. off a truck. Right. But at this time, I didn't know. You just think people are given 70% or 65% discounts on brand new Jordans? Hey, I didn't know.

I just knew that they were stolen coming out, you know. Okay. So the guy come to me, he said, hey, you trade son. Because that's what they call my mom, Trey. I said, yes, sir. He's okay. He said, man, we can't folk. That's how they talk in the country.

folk, you know. So I'm like, okay, cool. I ain't thinking nothing of it. So we left. So all us, we all plotting. Like, ooh, we're going to be clean at school tomorrow. Ooh, we're going to be clean. We're just talking. Everybody getting their outfits together. And we all said, look, we're going to meet at the same time. So when we can walk into school, we all be together. Because every

I hear that whole Gangsters Paradise song Playing in my head They're all walking Like in a line, you know And that's really how it was You know, literally So that next morning I get up

I go to brush my tea I'm hearing noises People talking Like what the hell going on So at that guy through I look In the other room I see all these boxes

I'm like what the Then I look in the front room It's the guy My daddy and my mama They up drinking It's six dirt in the morning They drink and reming more And smoking just

Like this 10 o'clock at night Right They parted So I'm like What the hell going on here? You know So once I get in The guy said

Hey Go to school Let everybody know you got the shoes And I give you half on every shoe you said I'm like okay, fine, you know. So my mom, them, they're looking like, yeah, yeah, do it, you know. So I'm like, cool.

This is not good, you know, advice from these adults, by the way. Yeah. So now I'm like, well, damn. So we all meet, me and my home boy, we meet. Man, I'm talking about as soon as we step foot on the campus. I don't think we was in the door yet. Man, it was like students just coming from everywhere, just like, wow, wow, where did y'all get them? Like, whoa, how you do it?

Can I get them? Because they was like in a month or two or four, they're really releasing. We had them real early, you know, so they're everybody trying to find. I said, well, look, she, you give me $150, I got you, you know. So I look, the office, we got all these kids. trying to call home to their parents to get money to buy the shoes. And I'm talking about, man, the line in the office was so long you thought Drake was in town or something. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it was, I was like, wow, you know. So by the time lunch break kick in, my home boy, J.R., he come to me. He said, hey, man, we might need to leave school early so we can get everything situated. So when everybody got at school, we had their size and stuff. no pass them to them. Right. So I said, yeah, you're right. So me and him and sure, we loaded up and left during lunchtime.

I pull up in my yard, I'm noticing this two, three calls. Like, people just start coming in behind me. And it's kids from other schools, not my school, you know what I'm saying? It's people from other schools in the area. And I'm like, damn, how they know? Because we ain't talked to nobody outside the school, you know. And you left early. Yeah, because we left further, you know.

So I'm like, God damn, that were travel. So I'm getting out the car. Like, well, it's done. Now, hey, what size do you need? You know, so everybody tell them their size. I go in, get the shoes, I get the money. I go back in, I get to my mama. My mama was like the count.

Like, she was on top of it. Like, when I come in that house with that money, my mama's going to take the money, she's going to put my portion over here and put the other guy portion there. She's riding the dime, I got to calculate, like she's just on top of it. Like, it was a real operation, you know? So, I'm like, damn, this shit really moving.

I'm coming to school, man. I'm talking about money. I'm a jury. I, man, I bought a harrowbone about this big. Like, I paid $1,400 for them just, you know. So it was this known guy named DJ Baby, Hollywood Baby. He's a celebrity right now. For why he's a celebrity

He's a celebrity DJ Oh, okay He's a celebrity DJ But he was real popular In Shreve Poet And right now he's in Dallas But he's real popular He'd be with Rick Rawls, 50s,

He's real popular You can look him up So He come by the house And he's talking with my mom You know, just like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So he come making like about 10 pounds

I ain't thinking nothing of it. How many pair are there? I mean, if you're selling, if you're selling 10, 20 pair and your buddies are selling 10, 20 pair, and apparently your parents are selling 10 or 20 pairs, and he's buying 10. Like, how many shoes were in there? How many shoes fell off the truck? Well, it was like 4,800 pair. It was 4800 pair of shoes.

That's a lot of shoes. Yeah. Okay. And to go back, my parents didn't say nothing. I sold everything. Okay. They didn't do nothing. my mom ain't do nothing but just be the money collector

right you know so baby we noticed he'll come right back I'm talking about we'll give him shoes he boom my God damn so now he's coming three four times and I said look here her mom said hey she just started getting them big pack like 50

50 at a time man this man going everywhere he's going to Dallas Shreveport just all the surrounding areas so he became one of my main guys And all my play bar crew members, you know, everybody, we on, you know, everybody's selling shoes, we're having fun, you know, just having a great time. So as days go by, I'm cutting class, I see the French club, like the French club, drama club, you know how different club the school have. So they're waiting around for the school bus to go on the field trip.

So I'm like, oh, shit, I'm mighty singing. I go with them. So I walk up, I ask the teacher. I said, hey, where y'all going? She said, oh, we're just going to the Strand Theater or watch some kind of opera play shit or something. And I'm like, look at him. Let's go out to eat, and we're going to go to the mall.

I'm going to pay for every night. You ain't got to worry about nothing. Man, that teacher looked at me and said, Are you serious? I said, yeah. And for you know it, we was on that bus. He had not. We had not.

So I tell the bus drive, hey, take us over to show and his inn restaurant over here. We ain't shown his end restaurant. Man, I'm sitting back like I'm just Pablo Escobar. I'm just laid back. All the other students and stuff, they surrounded me just, you know, want to know what's going on. But they treat me like a king, you know, like, God damn, this is the man. You know, so we eat, I pay the tab, leave a nice tip.

We go to the mall. Man, I'm buying people's stuff. I don't eat food with. He just coming up to me. Oh, can you give me this shirt? Yeah, put it up there. I got you. Just having a good, just blowing money.

Right. I ain't have no bills to pay, you know. I'm just blowing money, having a good time. Party and wild and getting hotel rooms. just living the life, living life day by day. The money started growing, Babeba started coming. I'm talking about three, four

times a day. Everybody and the crew, they taking care of their business. So the money's there. Okay? So maybe like three weeks went by. I'm walking through the hall.

And you know when you, somebody come out the office, the door opens. It's going to swing open. You know, it just swing on, you know. So as I'm walking, I look, I see like four, five guys sitting on the bleach, on the bitch,

barefoot. I'm like, oh, mind you, that's what I left out too. I'm telling these dumb people, don't wear your shoes to school because that's what I left out. The feds was all over to school. they walking around, you know, just looking at people's feet.

So I'm telling people as I'm selling them the shoes, hey, don't wear your shoes to school. The fan's up there. You see them. Man, these dumb fools still wore the shoe to school. So I said, oh, when I see this shit, I said, oh, God, damn. So I go on and run the class, you know. So once I get in the class, like I said, I got on all this jersey. I got all this money.

So I'm just stripping. I handed to this girl that was sitting beside me in class. Hey, hold this, because I knew it was coming. So next thing I know, it came. Send Sidney Coats to the office, please. I'm like, God damn. So as I'm coming out my class, my buddy, J.R., he crossed the hall. He's coming out his class, too, at the same time.

So we're looking like, damn, they called you too. He's like, hell yeah. I'm like, oh, shit. So now we're trying to get our story together. So as we think, we say, look, we're going to say we got out from a white man in the van. You're going to blame the white guy. Hey, back a look, because see, you know, where I'm from in Shreveport, you know, it's black. Most of African-American, I never went to school with white people in my life.

Like, it's always I've been around blacks, you know. So, we do understand every time some white woman gets, shoots her husband and gets shot or kills her kids or something. She always blames a black guy. You know that, right? Yeah. Okay. Turnabout's fair play, right? Yeah.

So we like, white man in the park lot at Popeye's on Greenwood Road, you know. So we kept rehearsing that. We walking down stairs stood a white man van, white man a van. So boom, we get to the office. As I walked in, one of the ages say, yeah, you come on in here sitting there. I'm like, damn. So I go be in the principal's office now. But I'm thinking it may be like two or three.

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My principal, you know, I walk in, she give me this look like. Boy, you don't know. So, he said, so you're Coco, huh? I'm like, yeah, yes, sir. He said, what's going on with these tennis shoes? I say, what you mean? you know he said well all the people we talk to they're saying your name saying you selling shoes I said no that ain't true sir I say now I'm gonna be honest yeah I bought a pal but they're selling

stuff I don't know what you're talking about I said man I got from a white man in the van in the park a lot of Popeye I agree with road I just I kept feeding them that's that's three years right there for lying to an FBI, right there. For real, I'm just lying. So, it's like after that, it's like they got in a group huddle or something, you know? Like, they all chatting amongst

these to others, just, so next thing I know, they come up out that huddle, like, ready, break! And when he come up out, he looked at me just square in my eyes. He said, hey, so you mean to tell me that your mama wasn't pulling up

in that pretty blue calack of her giving you shoes to get to the students, you know. So I'm trying to hold my face expression and, you know, because he ain't lying because my mama was doing it, you know. So it felt like Mike Tyson to hit me in my stomach because I'm just like, you know, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to want to. So I kept my face right and say, hey, don't you never put my mama in a lie like that again? Never.

I said my mama would never participate. It's something like this. Never. You know. So he was like, well, I'm just telling you what we're here. I said, that ain't true. He said, well, I tell you what. That shoe, that pair you bought, we want them.

I say, I tell you what, if I give them to y'all what is clear of my name, with all this other stuff, y'all saying, you know. He said, yeah, sure, sure. I said, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I turn them in my mind. Because, you know, in my mind, I got plenty of more. I got plenty of more shoes You can have that one pair Because me and this guy

We have not already talked about doing this Every of the month You know So I go home I get the shoe I take it to the police station And you know We're turning to him

Hey here you go I'm thinking everything good You know what I'm saying Now I'm back living my life Parting spending money You know because We have sold all the shoes by now Like nine and a half, tens, you know, your common sizes, man, they went like that.

Thousands of pay, like nine and a half, ten, a half, a half, a little, they were gone quick. So most of the only thing we had were like sevens, 13, 14, the big sizes, you know. And they tapped our phone. You know, you can tell when your phone, back in the day, you do a lot of click, and make it look clicking on the day, click, click, click, click, click, click. you know so I need to be on the phone I hear the shit I used to talk to them I'd be on the phone with girls and stuff

I'd be on the phone with girls and stuff when I hear that little clicking on I'd just be like hey I ain't got no goddamn shoes I don't know why y'all listening you know just shit like that with them so my dad said hey they're coming yeah he coming because we still had boxes in the house even though we sold most of them you know but we still

had empty boxes and we had like a shit in the back of the house there were boxes all in there So my dad said, hey, they're coming, they coming. Y'all get this shit out of here. So me and my mom, we got all the bosses, broke them down. We took them down the road to an apartment complex and threw them, and they dusted. So here go in my mind. And the FBI pulled them out.

45 minutes later, the FBI pulled them all out. That had pictures of you putting them in there. Ain't it though, for real. You know what? I'm like, well, you know. So I'm thinking everything good. Going back to my life or poured. You don't know how.

conspiracy laws work. I didn't. I was young. You know, I was young. Yeah, I'm thinking I was smart at the law. This is my mind. Like, they really fail for this shit.

I'm smarted at the face. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, dad, they believe that shit. Hey, you know. So, weeks go by. Two more weeks. One of my crew members

court no better. I never forgot this day. He called me one night. was like Sunday night, he said, man, I got these two girls, man, we need to get them. We get us a hotel room, you know, in my mind, I'm like, eh, because I want that one he's talking about it. I said, yeah, hell, yeah, let's do it. So I'm like, well, shit, me, my mom, my dad, and my sister, we had our extra pairs

and our addict, you know. This is so bad. They'll never look there. Yeah, you know, yeah, I get there what they were thinking they'll never look there, you off. So I said, well, I can go up in my attic and put them on for the night. And then when I'm done, I just take them off and take them back and put them in the attic. So, you know, that night came, we did what we did, got the room, blah, blah, blah. I come home, drunk, loaded. I forgot to put my shoes up. Went to school. I ain't taking nothing of it. I'm at

baseball practice. I'm out there on the mile pitch, warming up. So the school security guard come on the field and say, oh, hey, Sidney, there's some people up there want to see you. You know, so I'm like, hey, there made me some girls

from other school, because I used to have women from other schools, come by out of the school, want to talk, you know, hug and shit, you know all that, you know. So I get up there, I notice the agent he just laid he posts he just leaned against my car

I had a white missibisie clilts and he just lived against the car just chilling I said oh but I'm still in my mind like I ain't got nothing you know ain't nothing you know so when I get up there he say you lied to me

I said huh you lied to me I said what's you talking about so now he said pop this trunk I say, hey, help yourself. I ain't got shit, you know. So he's searching and searching.

I ain't fine, but at the same time, he studied talking shit. You lie, you lie, you lie. So finally when he got through, your head going to jail. So he threw me in the car, not the backseat. He threw me in the front seat. I'm like, what is this? Did he cuff you? Yeah, he cuffed me up.

They cuffed me up and just threw me in the front seat. So I'm thinking, like, well, maybe we're just going for a ride or something. I thought you'd get in the backseat, you know what I'm saying? So, but they threw me in there. I'm noticing all the students. They're coming up to the front. Now, I see, you know, being noticed and seeing what's going on. So I see a guy who I knew named Ricky D.

I said, hey, man, call my dad and tell them they got me. You know what I'm saying? So they get me to the station. I'm in interrogation room, and they got me handcuffed like this behind a chair. So they didn't just pushing on me, you know, just, you're going to tell her something. You're going to tell her something. Do you want to play football? Do you want your scholarship?

Because, mind you, there's a lot of stuff out of the left out. But I had signed. Don't leave it out. Yeah, I'm tripping. I had just signed a scholarship like three days before they picked me up. A full ride, football scholarship. For where? To where?

Louisiana Tech University. Okay. Okay. I had just signed now. Three days later, they come get me. So I'm getting interrogated. I'm studying them, white man and the man on Greenwood Road, the Paul Gleada, Popeye. Like, that's all I can teach.

That's all I kept saying. So, my dad, the guy come here, say, the kid's father's here. He wasn't know can he come in. So they're like, yeah, tell me, come on. You know, so I'm like, my dad's here. We're good. I'm probably going to go home, you know, sell. I'm taking it like that, you know.

You walk in and say, what have you done? Man. My God. I don't know what he's into, fellas. So my dad walked in, man. My dad just bust through the door like he made. Just boom. Get them goddamn handcuffs all my son.

He ain't did a goddamn thing. off. So I'm looking like, hell yeah, you know what I'm saying? Man, that law looked at my daddy. He says, sir, if you don't come and sit your ass down, you're going to go upstairs with your son. So now

my daddy, like, you're all right? Give me the key to the car. Give me your money. Give me your jury. We're going to come get you. Don't worry about it. So I see my daddy transform. I'm like, I'm like, what the damn hero? You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, oh, shit, this shit real now. So all the stuff I learned from the hood, here in the jail stores and, you know, all this here, I'm like, man, I'm fighting to finally face this shit. So as I'm walking upstairs, I got my mat and my pillow and stuff in my hand, you know, I'm walking upstairs. It's a guy they brought, they bringing out.

He just got smashed. Like both his eyes just blew. just, he just, you know, he f***ed up. So I'm like, oh, shit, I'm going to have to fight. You know what I'm saying? Are they, so I have a question. Did they, how old were you? I was 17, but the paper said 18.

But they're going to, oh, they're putting you with the adults. I'm with adults. Okay. Yeah, I was with adults. Dad, you're probably better off with adults than you were with the kids. The, you know, the little gladiator schools, like they're extremely violent. Like, you guys go in at 15, 16 years old. These kids just want to start fighting immediately, at least with the adult.

Yeah. They're at least a little more calm. Yeah. Because really, I went through a gladiated school growing up, through my neighborhood, fighting with Louvreem. Like, that was glad. That was my gladiator school. You know what I'm saying?

So I all prepared, but, you know, I was still scared. Yeah, yeah. You know, so as I'm walking through, I'm looking for my bed, looking for a bed. So I find a bed. I put my stuff down. I look over, I see a crackhead for my neighborhood. So I say, well, there's somebody I know in there. You know what I'm saying?

You know, so I go over there. I'm talking to the crack head. Like, man, what's you doing here? You know, just make him talk, trying to get comfortable. So, man, next thing I know, on the other side of the part, it's a guy just stood up on his bunk, on the bed, and said, hey, that's the dude right there. They got caught with all the joins.

And it's like everybody just did this. you know what I'm saying all eyes on me so next thing I know man it was like like Jesus was talking to you know what I'm saying like now everybody does

surround me just like man how do you do it man I would have traded for some you know everybody telling me what they would did I'm like man it ain't like that you know what I'm saying so now I'm feeling like a celebrity

in jail I'm calling home calling all my little girlfriend. I'm like, I mean, jail ain't shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I took it. I have a question. You weren't wearing the Jordans where they grabbed you, right?

You said you'd taken the one pair down, but you left them out. Yeah. Was that important? Like, did they raid the house and find the, okay. See, that's what happened. Okay. That's how they got to the school? Yeah.

When I went to school that morning, I didn't take that other pair back. Right. So when I left, they hit the high. house while I was at school and my mom she's thinking they in the attic because then nobody see me go up there and get them so she did she consens to say

yeah go go ahead and she said when they went in they went straight to my room straight to my closet and when he came out that closet and he came out that closet and she said oh I just hit the flow just like

you know this kid this kid Well, I have a question too Your buddy that invited you out that night With the girls Did he do that because he knew Like was he working with them

Like he knew if I invite him out He's gonna wear those Jordans No nothing like that No, it wasn't like that Seems like something the feds would do They'd be like well He's not wearing them shoes We don't know where they are

And then they grab the You know what we'll follow him His buddies get him on a dope charge or something Whatever They'll find a reason to grab them And then be like look You call him, get him to go awesome girls. We know he'll weather the Jordans.

And there's no argument that you say, look, I saved it up and I bought these. Are these still unreleased Jordans? Yeah, they're unreleased. They didn't release them. Yeah, yeah. So it's not like you can say, hey, I went up. You know, they were present from my mom or from my cousin or I found a pair. You found a pair of Jordans that have not been released yet.

And obviously probably somebody, this truck was like a stolen truck up full of Jordans or something. Yeah, it was a whole truckload. Yeah, it's a big. It's a bigger scam, I mean, a scam, sorry. It's a bigger crime because it's somebody at some point jacked a truck. Yeah. You know? If it was just a shoes alone, they probably wouldn't be as.

Yeah, well, there are some crimes that the federal government. Because for one, okay, they did it in Dallas. So like they say, once you cross their line, what they call it, commerce, something like that, you know. Yeah, you're affecting commerce. Well, I was going to say, there are some crimes that, to me, it's like, You know, you're like, okay, it's not a big deal. Like, some guy had a truck with Jordans, you know, not that they jacked him or anything, but maybe they got in the truck while he was, you know, he was in the diner or whatever.

Maybe they, you know, not necessarily like a carjacking, but for something like that, the feds will take it extremely seriously because you're affecting commerce. It's like if you said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to start robbing cash and carry supermarkets. And you start hitting all those cash and carries. Well, that affects commerce badly for cash and care. You know what I'm saying? Like you're targeting, especially if you jump, you cross lines or cross state lines.

So if you, these guys got a truck, then they drove it across state lines and they're selling it. That's like to them, they act like it's organized crime. Yeah. I mean, it may have been organized crime. Which that situation really was, but I didn't tell them nothing. Like it wasn't nothing for them, you know, to piece together. But it was some organized crime shit. You know what I'm saying?

But you're the last leg of that. Like, you're not the one who's saying, listen, I got a guy in the warehouse. They're loading up, you know, the flight came in. They're putting it on the truck. We got them. Here's the, you know, you're not organized. You're the last leg of that. Like, I'm just selling the fucking thing.

Yeah, I'm just part of distribution team. Right. You know. Did you ever figure out the whole operation, like what they were doing to kind of. Yeah, I did. Right. Yeah, I did. Because, like I say, me and this guy had got a bond.

Yeah. We had created a bond. So, well, we were going to do this all the time. We were going to have, because the guy. told me he get air max, Jordans, refrigerator,

stole, jury. I want it all. I want it all. Hey, hey, let's do it. You know what

would get you all of that also? It's just getting the scholarship and getting it. Exactly. That takes a little bit longer. Yeah. You know,

I know this is immediate. Immediately money. But, Jesus, bro. Yeah. So you're in the jail. Sorry, you're in the jail.

Yeah. So I'm in the jail. everybody treat me like a celebrity and I'm calling home I'm calling people like man jail ain't shit man this ain't nothing you know I'm thinking you know I'm living like a big shot

so the next day they come get me they say hey if we show you some pictures would you point them out I say yeah I do it you don't just talk of shit I said yeah I'll do it so they took me to the federal building across the street and then I said damn I ain't know

they had a federal bill to know where it's a small time it ain't that big you know so i get up there the people hand me a book by this dick it's probably like fetishes from all over the world or something you know what i'm saying so i get the book soon when i opened the book the first page was the guy i was just gonna say i was just thinking i thought the book was this big i first think but it was nothing but this one guy's picture mail to my soon when i opened it like Like, bam, you know. So I just played it on now. Nah, that ain't him.

I just kept flipping. That ain't him. But every time he get to, like, a white person, you know, I act like, I'm really like, you know, like I'm really checking it out. Because, hey, white man in the van, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, so every time I see a white person, I'd be like, no, that ain't him. Keep flipping. Like, I'm really just, you know, nah, that ain't him. So I don't went through this whole book.

Nah, this ain't him. You know what I'm saying? Is this the same agents, same FBI agent? Yeah, the same ones. So they took me back to the jail. They constantly still, you don't want to tell us nothing. You don't want to tell us nothing. And my mom understood to tell me, be cool.

They got to give you a bond soon. You know, just be cool. So finally, I got a bum. I get out. As we're pulling in the yard, that was the worst phone call I ever can get. We had a phone ringing from the outside. So we get in the house.

My mom said, this Louisiana Tech on the phone. I ain't still thinking nothing of it, you know. So I'm like, hello. The guy say, Hey, man, I'm sorry. We got to take your scholarship. I'm like, what?

I say, sir, I didn't do nothing. I'm out of jail. I'm innocent. He said, man, you piss. Michael Joy and off. He said, man, you got so much media and press 90 on us at this school. I'm sorry.

We got to take your scholarship. I say, well, I be damn. So now my dad looking at me like, what the fuck we're going to do now? You know, so I just say, you know what? Fuck school and football.

I just said, fuck this shit. Because I felt hopeless. Because this is something I want to do. my life and then now I'm in the stage to where I don't got arrested for something I didn't do in my mind in my mind I didn't do it you know hey you know and I'm like damn they're just going to steal my life from me you know so I was lost I was depressed man I went through a stage in my life I just didn't want to live

you know because I went from being that man I was a young guy but I thought I was not puffed at it nah not not puffed at but I felt like I was a real

popular guy like I had all the women like my phone run all day and night I can do or whatever I want. I can go to any neighborhood. People knew I was off limits. Like, don't touch him because if you touch him,

looting him coming. So anytime I got to trouble, somebody tried me, looting them coming. My boy Lou and Chuck, skeebo, dials, meatball, I can keep naming. They're coming for you.

I ran with real young killers, you know, and to see, my light go from neck to this popular guy to now, my phone ain't ringing no more. Popular guy with a scholarship. With a scholarship. I don't lost it all.

Now the girls ain't calling no more. A lot of my so-called friends and homeboy they ain't nowhere to be found, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, damn, so all this was faking fraud to me. You know, and so I just had to rebuild myself. But how I do that? Drugs. You're making one good decision after another.

Hey, because that's all I knew. All I knew was playing ball. And now I'd have learned how to hustle. You know, because growing up in the neighborhood, you know. I was, see, I got to say, it's the stuff I left out. I was selling in middle school. You see what I'm saying? Right.

I was selling in the middle school. We were shooting at people. Like, I can count. Well, no, I can't count how many times that I'd have been in gun battles. It was so bad to where our older homeboys used to tell us, hey, little homies, y'all stop all the shoe. Y'all got the hood hot. Right. But we were just a young trick of having kids, you know.

But the sum of it all, look, they only charged me with a legal possession of stolen goods after all this I had went through. I didn't tell they never found out nothing. The guy never. That's actually, is a good, that's a, you know, it's not perfect. The perfect would be, of course, you get away with it. But, you know, that's a good charge as opposed to what they could have charged you with. Yeah, yeah, because they was trying. Right.

But what it was, they knew that I was connected to their guy. Well, that's the guy they're looking for. Yeah, like, that's who they want. So they basically just wanted me to tell on them, you know what I'm saying? But I couldn't do that because if I tell on him, I got to tell on my mama. I got to tell on my daddy. I got to tell on my cousin in the country who called me. You know what I'm saying?

They want to know it all. Right. So I couldn't do that. Yeah, you don't get to cherry pick. Yeah. No, I'm not going to tell on my people. Did he eventually get caught, though? He had to get caught.

He never got caught? Not to my knowledge. No. Did nobody go to jail? He'd tell me a year later he got caught for something else. Nobody. one of the questions I was going to ask was

the whole scheme but maybe you can't share the whole scheme Yeah Well the scheme was basically That I guess that They'll catch the guy

Whoever driving 18 wheeler And they'll jack them Okay so it is a jack Yeah it is a jack Like they'll jack them raw You know what I'm saying Take it And bring it on Louisiana

They steal it from Dallas And they come to Shreeport Because Shreeport like a two hour drive Right So that was made Shreveport kind of, you know, the spot because it was like off 20, two hours away. Do you ever see Goodfellas? I love that movie. Like in Goodfellas, they do jacking, but they pull up, they pull the guy over, they jump out.

I'm curious as to how they know what products in the trailer. Like, are they watching it from the warehouse or are they just checking the truck stops? Well, it got to be a inside job. Like they got to, somebody got to be leaking some kind of info to know that truck has. Yeah, has those shoes. Yes. Yeah. It's a...

Someone in the warehouse. Yeah. See, that's the part... There's a Colby. Colby used to work in it with it. It's a Colby's calling a guy. In the logistics industry. Oh, okay.

Yeah. So we used to tell truck drivers, if they're carrying a high value load, like, back up to a concrete wall. So they can't swing... So nobody can swing the doors open. Yeah. Because, so that's why I'm kind of curious, like, how they kind of, like, scouting it out. Yeah, that's probably what it was, but that's the part I didn't, you know. I was just a part of distribution.

Right. How was the money, man. So you're going to you're going to fix your life by selling drugs now. Yeah. Hey, because you go where I'm from? The economy ain't, it's no jobs. We don't have no NBA, NFL, major league teams, we know major colleges. You know, we had AT&T, that shut down, so I couldn't work there.

Jury Motors shut down. Like all the good jobs was shut down. So it's either you're going to work at Burger King. a hustle Right And you got to think As a kid I had dreams

of driving Lambeginis Right With pools in the backyard tennis court I'm not gonna go No Burger King

So I'm gonna go Go ahead and do What I see My home boy Doing Sell is dope Let's get to the money Okay

So what happens then This is getting worse Well That same guy J.R. Who used to help me you know now I didn't took backseat to him now he the man which was fine to me because I already felt like my life was over with so I'm trying to rebuild you know so now he's the man in the

drug world so we doing our thing doing our thing this guy he connected to bussy the rapper bussy and stuff like they used to fool around and I rose in the ranking in the drug game you know jail or why I know going to jail So now that leads me like, man, what I'm going to do? I'm used to this guy giving me pound, pound, you know. So he's your connect. Yeah, he was my connect. Connect's gone.

Yeah, my connect gone now, you know. So now I'm on my own like, damn, what I'm going to do? So I got ready to get out there and get it. I find me a connect. And now I'm turning my people on. Setting that door, setting that door, sitting there. And me and my wife, we had an apartment. And, but she won my wife then, she was my girlfriend then, you know.

She was dating the dope man. Yeah, dating the dope man. You know, so. I didn't even know, really. Yeah. Yeah. You knew he was paying the rent and didn't have a job. You knew something.

You know, so I'm doing my thing. We got apartment. And so we get all, we should get notices a lot. You know, like the manager of the apartment, she's even going to let me or her know, like, hey, the sheriff's been coming by here. They're saying it's about your apartment, narcotics, you know, this and that. So I'm like, oh, so I said, well, I just keep the dope in the car and not in the house. So, stuff, you know, it's going smooth. Here I go again, thinking shit over with it.

And one day, I'm just chilling. I'm in the house. I got a laptop. top on my lap. My buddy had just left from the house. He's like, man, I'm going to go outside and talk to this chick. I said, oh, man, hey, hey, cool. I ain't

thinking nothing of it. Man, we got guns all over the flow, dope everywhere. Two minutes later, I'm knock on the door. So in my mind, I'm like, well, shit, he's out there in the front. He should take care of that. You know what I'm saying?

They study knocking. my god damn what the hell so I said maybe that's old girl because if some girls stayed up on us they used to buy dope and shit you know so I said maybe that's them so as I'm walking to the door they study knocking

was like a cop knock I couldn't tell it was just a regular knock that way I said I thought it was the girls downstairs you know so and mind you the door unlocked it's not locked because my friend just left out

So, some said, look through that peepo. Man, I looked through that peepo. All I saw was narcotics going across the front. I said, oh, God, damn. Man, you're in the upstairs apartment. So I tiptoe. So now, I'm tiptoeing to the back. Like, oh, shit.

Because I don't want them to hear me just running, you know. So I tiptoe my way to the back. now I don't grab all these guns the drugs I'm throwing stuff all in my drawers and on the couch we had

we had the kind where you know you hit the thing and it lit your legs up so I took all the pistols and I shirled them up under there and closed it up I had an AK-47

in the closet what I just bought maybe a week ago from Lou so you know I'm scared it's a bite on it you know so they come bus

on in. They busts in the house. I'm like, you're like, yeah, you're sitting and you're cold, like, yes, sir. You know, so now they're searching and searching. So they don't pull it out, you know, the big, large trash bag. But it was empty, you know, because

I had sold everything by the time they came. But, you know, it's still residue and stuff in the bag. So they see this and they're like, hey, you got some more in there. Where the money? Where the shoeboxes? Where all the dopeies? I said, hey, I don't know what you're talking about. So they find the gun, the A.K., they didn't find all the other stuff out here.

So they're running the gun now. I'm just sitting there just listening and waiting. Like, please don't say this gun got about it. Please, Lord. Please, because who I got it from? Ooh, it might be one on there. Right. You know.

So they came back clear. I said, whew, thank God. So as I'm walking to the front, they stood out of him talking. Where the shoeboxes of money? I'm like, ah, now, what the hell? I don't know what y'all talking about. So, they hud up just like the fed did on my ass. They hud up.

They come up by there. They say, oh, where's your car? I said, oh, shit. I said, I ain't got no car. They say, so you telling me that white eclipse outside ain't your car? now that ain't my car he said well I tell you what we're going to run these license plate

and if we come back year we're going to go in there and we're going to call a K-9 and I ain't even hit it going on in I say well look I tell you what I say look this is my mom's car my mom let me use to get back and far

here and there he and there you know so I don't know what mom's got in the trunk yeah I don't you know so I was like Hey, what we could do, we can call my mom and tell, you know, just come get a car. He said, nah, no, that ain't what we're going to do. We're going to get the canine over, and if he bunk, we're going on in. So once he said, I said, well, the show is over. I'm gone, you know.

So find the canine get there, and he go sit right by the trunk. I said, oh, fuck. So the police, he popped my trunk. He's just doing this. He's just wiggling. He's just coming out with everything. I was, damn. So as I'm in the back seat,

the police guy walked over and he say, man, this is some good. I say, it show is I keep the best. You know, fuck it. You know, hey, I'm caught. Ain't no sister-meet line saying, ain't mine. So, yeah, yeah, I keep nothing but the best. Yeah, it's good.

Bucket. You know. they don't wrap that up they're taking me down time they hit me with the same stuff

you know what you're going to have to do to save yourself right I said no I ain't nothing I can tell you I'm solid I ain't nothing I can tell you

I ain't got nobody to tell them I said here we go again my first dope charge after I'm not already completed being on probation for the damn shoes and you got an AK 47

I got an AK 47 them, they gave me with paraphernalia, pounds, just, you know. So what did they, how did they get to you, a direct buy? Like, did they have a buy or, like, how do they get to you? Well, what it was, where I'm from, they got a little thing called, what it was called, knock and talk or something like that, like knocking search. It was something a little thing they had going on where they go around.

If they get any kind of info, they're going to knock on your door and come in, you know what I'm saying? So, but I guess, like I say, the apartment manager then told us two, three times, hey, they asking about your apartment, you know what I'm saying? Y'all need to slow it down. She gave us the heads up. Right. You know, so I'm guessing from that, you know,

people probably complain in a pot of depth, confidential form, and, you know, just something like that. Okay. But when I got my paperwork, it said that it was a tip to the Central Intelligence Agents. I said, what the, I wasn't that damn big, you know, shit. So I wind up getting me a lawyer, spunked the money,

and they hit me with all probation again, never told a nut. What's the lawyer? How would that cost? With the lawyer? Yeah. I paid them like $20,000. Okay. Yeah.

Paid them like $20,000. So this isn't federal. This is state. This is state here. Yeah. Because I was going to say federal, you're going to jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this state, this state, you know what I'm saying?

It's not federal. And so I get out of that, you know what I'm saying? Now I'm on probation again. And here it is. Still selling dope. Still doing the same shit because that's all I know. You know what I'm saying? Trying to come up, trying to come up.

I'm studying flunking drug test. And it's a joke. Listening to all my homeboys who got P.O. and they'd be like, man, my P.O. don't eat drug test me. But here it is. I'll go see mine. First World come out of their mouth. Yeah, we're going to do a drug test.

God damn. You know what I'm saying? I go ahead and flog the drug test. Oh, you're going to jail. I didn't got, I've violated like two, two times on that shit. So now they put me in the drug rehab claire like, I'm a junkie. I'm in the drug rehab clad with junkies and shit. Now, I'm like, man, this ain't hitting on nothing.

you know so I had to go every Wednesday every Wednesday and you do a drug test once a month so during this time my dad had got ill and sick he got he fighting counsel so we had to run to the hospital this night but I had to go to that class too but I said man I went to the class my dad is more important so I did that

why don't go on the court the next week And the judge said, why he wasn't in class? I said, well, sir, my dad fighting counsel. We had to rush him to the hospital and make sure he was all right. I said, I'm sorry I didn't make it, but I had to help my dad. You know, well, I'm just waiting around. So the judge said, remand it. I'm looking around like, what the hell that mean?

And next thing I know, the sheriff say, put your hand behind. your bag. I say, what? I said, man, you take me to jail with trying to help my daddy. I said, I'm taking my daddy daddy about to die. They didn't give a damn. Lock him up. You know, so now I'm gone. I'm back in the jail again. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, I'm on a pussy's ad violation. Are you on double probation here? Are you on state and federal probation? No, I'm on state. Okay. I had finished by then, I had finished the probation I had for the shoes. Yeah, yeah, for the feds. Yeah. Okay. That was it.

Because I wasn't in like a two-year paper deal. Right. So now I'm on this. So now I'm on the violation. I didn't got me a little crew together in jail and shit. Mind you, my best friend got probably maybe a year before I went in. The same dude who got them. They brought them in there with me.

I said, oh, my God. Things are about to get worse. Yeah, he didn't go. I got the fight. I got to get this man. God damn. I'm trying to go home. Well, if you know that this guy is the one that's your best friend,

how come he's out at all? Like, why didn't he get picked up? Or is it just the rumor of everybody's like. They know he did it, but they just cops can't pin it on him yet. Well, the cops do, dude, did it. But my friend, they didn't care because he was a major drug dealer, gang banger, you know what I'm saying? So where we're from, you know,

they're just like getting another person out of the street. You know what I'm saying? Because they knew. Because it was all over the time who did it. These guys from our neighborhood. Like, we all were friends. We all hung together. So, matter of fact, this is one of the guys

that got people off my ass. He was one of those guys that said, hey, you better not touch Coco. You see what I'm saying? So I'm in a messed up position like, well, damn. This is a guy who's a guy who, looked out for me all my life.

But I'm in jail. I'm hanging out on Rick. And the dude would come to me, he said, Curtis Jr. said he come here. Because that was the guy named with Curtis Jr. I said, oh, God, dang, I got to face this shit. So I walk down

now. I try to throw a little mug on my face. Look like I'm mad. Like, you know, just, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. So when I walk up, you know, You know, he just kind of looked at me like, because I didn't try to kill him. I wasn't trying to kill him.

I was just trying to scare him. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, whew, well, because you didn't have to shoot at him. You know he just was talking? Because they had got into some bullshit, shooting dice and shit. You know what I'm saying? I said, but you ain't have to shoot at him. You know what I'm saying?

Like, come on, bro. We are all homies. You know, but he just stood explaining and explain. Like, man, I didn't want to do. I didn't. I promise I miss him. So once he said that to me, it kind of took a load. I like, well, okay, cool.

Yeah, he's not trying to be a tough guy, what you're going to do. Yeah, and I ain't no tough guy I need, do, you know what I'm saying? And I'm looking at, you know, shit, ain't nobody else did shit. So y'all's back for me, the athlete, you know what I'm saying? So we got cool. We know, we got back cool. We're talking. We, you know, in jail.

in business you know what I'm saying like that's who made my joe's fun right like he made it fun how long how long were you in my long maybe a couple months there's a violation you know what I'm saying so a couple months I'm right back out because you do like a what 90-day turnaround shit like that there right you know what I'm saying so that's when you just you went and got a regular job you said this was enough I've had enough of this not for me it's not going any of anywhere. No. I did.

Nothing wrong, Burger King. But I'm not going, okay. Now, you know what? I did try to get a job. I was going to little temporary services and stuff like that. But they were sending me on bullshit jobs, you know what I'm saying? That's the CEO position you deserve. Yeah, I'm not right.

You see what I'm saying? You know, hey, look, my first day there, you know what they sent me to work on the damn trash truck. Man, my mama must have talked about me like a dog. She said, now. Garbage men make me. They make like $80,000 a year. I mean, you start off its shit. Not well from.

But eventually, it doesn't matter. You get a job there for two years. You go to another city. Now I've got two years experience. They hire you for $80,000. You can work overtime and make over $100,000. Plus, you get a great pension, 20 years. You can retire.

I mean, and get like what was a retirement for a city job. It's like, no, it's like 60% or something like that. Like, that's not a bad. I didn't know that day I was young-minded You know what I'm saying What are you doing What are you doing

But look Where I'm from Where I'm from You is not getting paid That kind of money To be no trash man I know but you start there And you give it a year or two

And now I've got experience So when I go to another city I have a I've been doing this for two years They're like Oh Then they hire you at a better position Where they pay good money

True But That's if you were thinking long time I'm thinking you're not a long-term thinker at this time. Not then, no, okay. I was on some right now money. Like, why would I come to work, get up out of my sleep early in the morning? That's for suckers.

Yeah, you see what I'm saying? And then when I gave my check, this $2.08, what the fuck is this? I can make this in two minutes. I can make $2,300 out in two minutes. Why, I'm coming out here to ride on the truck, get all this nasty stuff all on the clothes or shoes? They never get arrested. They don't arrest. They don't arrest them for nothing.

And you know what? You know what? I had fun doing that. See? I ain't going to lie. I had fun doing it, man. Because the people used to leave us little dollars and stuff out, you know what's water.

Listen to this. You know what our garbage men do? They put a thing on our door. They put a, for Christmas, they put a little, a little, you know, it's a little Christmas card. And it is like, hey, Merry Christmas, you know, whatever. It's got some cutty little thing. And then it says it's got their cash app.

It has the two guys' names and their cash app. We send them $10. I've been doing this. It's three years now. Every Christmas I send each one of them $10. And you know what? If I'm doing it, I don't know if you've noticed this. There's a shitload of houses.

If only 10, Jess and I have figured it out, man, these guys are making $5 or $10,000. If only like 10% of the neighborhood did that. It's 5%. Oh, it's not $10,000. It's $5,000. It's a $5,000 bonus for probably, what cost them $30 in cards. That's smart

too. And actually, I appreciate them doing it because it's one of those things where you feel like I should do something, but you forget about it. So they're like, boom. Oh, I know what else said they do. They put a little mint in the thing. She's like, oh. It pays for itself,

I'm sure. Yeah, oh, absolutely. Yeah, we wish it was like that for us, but it's, no, man. Could have been. Man, well, you might get lucky when you get to a trash. can you see an envelope might got $10 in it, you know. Yeah, this really is the perfect neighborhood to do something like that. Oh, this is.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, you know, like I said, we come from a smaller city and it's not that much money in there, so you can't expect nothing, you know. Like, the most fun I had, being a trad man, we really used to go through neighborhoods, and it used to be women flashing their titties and stuff, fellas. You know what I'm saying? So I got a kick out of that shit. How long did you do it?

Well, you know how to all? temporary ages to do you. Soon when you get, what they say you do 90 days, when you do day 8 and 9, they get rid of your ass. So soon when I got to my three months, they fired me. And I'm like, what the

I thought I was a good worker. They fired me. And then they come back, they send me to a General Motor Supply Shop. Now they got General Motor Supply Shop. Not General Motor, but like a Supply Shop. that do, like, the frames or the seats and stuff for the cars or whatever.

So now I'm over there. Get over there. This shit easy. But still, you ain't making no money. $8 an hour or shit like that. This ain't for me. You know, so I'm still working, but I'm hustling. I'm coming to the jaw.

I'm hustling. Hey, man, I got there. I got that. Is it possible that that's the reason you got let go from the, the, uh, the, uh, the trash job. Nah, I didn't say a no drug on the trash. We were too big dumping trash, you know

what I'm saying? It's a perfect cover. But you know what? I should have been. Oh, my God. I should have been selling dope off the trash. That'd have been a good little cover.

Yeah, I should have did that. Now, no. No, it's not too late. You're right. No, stop. I'm putting the application there when I get back. But yeah,

they sent me to the general motor supply shop. So I'm out there working. I almost up working and hustling, working the hustler. And they, about due to three months, they go again. Gone, five. It's like every time you get to that nine of day, because they always tell you, oh, you work this job for nine of days, they are hiring you on permanent.

You know what I'm saying? And it's like every time you get close to that permanent, they fire you. So they did it again. They fired me from this job. I say, you know what? The temporary service, I can't do this. I'm sorry. I just can't do it.

Man, I'm still on paper. Right. So, okay, you remember Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans? Yeah. Okay. I got an uncle. He was dying there working. He had a little crew, and they were making money.

And I'm hearing about it. Hey, your uncle, your uncle peepin' them making money down there. And I said, shit, I need to go down here. So, finally I talked to him, he said, come on. I get to New Orleans. I go look in the hotel room because we got to stay in hotels. I go in one room, I see three guys that I know. You know, like, damn, what they're doing down there?

I ain't, what the hell? then they in their cooking crack they got the microwave boy they're gone boy they're in there cooking crap something like what the hell y'all got going man it's rolling down there you know what I'm saying so that was like music to my ears again you know what I'm saying

so I go to my room I ain't thinking nothing though but I'm just still thinking like damn they're down there making money I get a knocker on the door. I opened the door. It's my uncle.

So my uncle come in my room, he said, this for you. He gave me like four ounces of he said, don't tell your mama. I said, I ain't going to tell a hell now. I ain't going to say nothing. You know what I'm saying?

So here I am, back at it again. So when you say he was work, they were down there working, I thought, you meant, like trimming trees. Oh, they was doing that. Okay. Yeah.

I didn't think that, like, all the drug dealers down there got drowned in Katrina and there was an open thing. Because that was a good part because a lot of those guys from New Orleans was gone. A lot of them gone to Atlanta or even where I'm from Shreveport, Houston, dad is like they gone. So it's no dope there like that, you know. So my uncle gave me that. and I'm seeing what's going on at the hotel. We go to work. I'm like, I make more money staying at the room than going to go work with you.

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I've never heard Guadas In Guatemalans Yeah there we've got to get gullas You know So it's a lot of them So a lot of them Stayed at the hotel All they knew to come to this hotel

Get the Doe So every day at 4 o'clock They'll get out And you'll see that bus And man when I tell you It was bus loads of them And I'm talking about they knocking on that door give me

you know how they talk you know what I'm saying and they take whatever you give them whatever you give man I'm in there giving these guys $10 rocks for $100 like it was just that simple so I said well going to work well I can make $1,000 waiting on them to get out of work you know what I'm saying so hey that was my life

I'm calling home telling everybody hey I'm going to move to I'm staying down here you know what I'm saying so what we was doing we was house good we was good in our houses and they were paying us the good houses out right okay so once we figured out what my uncle was doing how much he were paying us we like man we could do this ourselves so we didn't took our drug money and went about materials and stuff and we were to start our own business now. So, I don't call that one of my homeboy from back home.

Hey, man, you get the New Orleans. I got you. You ain't got worried about nothing. Just get him. So, he come. So, we said, man, we're going to go out tonight. We're going to go party. Because, back up

from that, me and a couple of old guys, we had went out and found businesses. And we had met these two. We met an older lady, she owned funeral homes and stores, and she said that we can do all their funeral homes and all their stores, and we met this guy.

He was a relative, and he was like, we can do all the hiders he owned. Like, hires we seen them in baby from cash money, like, they neighborhood, you know, so we like, we're good. Man, we're going to be millionaires, you know what I'm saying? So, we said

we're going to have a parter. We go downtown, we're trying to party New Orleans, you know, get us girls and all this and as soon as we get to the club where we was here police come from everywhere they surround the car

and I'm like, what the fuck? We ain't did nothing, you know. My, I got on me. But let me say this. The reason why I had to on me is because you're selling. Yeah, I'm saying.

But what happened, I had some more cousins and friends They was there at that same hotel too That was down there working They were hustling But it's some guys from New Orleans That was there Broke into their room

And stole everything So I said They gonna get us next So I said Nah they ain't getting mine They ain't getting mine So I said We can go out

Just take mine with me Leave it in the car And when I come back out You know We good But instead The police around the I'm in the back seat

I got crack in my pocket and everything so I hear the police asked the driver driver license and registration so the driver he isn't there just oh

oh he studied oh oh I said oh god damn this man got license so he goes oh sir I don't have license but I got an ID so I'm like

a weak so as he getting getting with his ID I said shit I get this out of my pocket so I'm trying

to ease in my pocket so next day the police say hey get your hands out your pocket I said oh sir I'm so nervous I'm just trying to smoke a cigarette

I'm just trying to get a cigarette so he let me be so I said well shit I'm going to try it again. Here I go again. I'm trying to go in my pocket. Next thing I know, he doesn't open the door

and yank my ass up out of the car. Get your ass out. And he went in my pocket and pulled. He said, charge him with a tit to the stripping. I say, no, I smoke. I say, no, I smoke. I smoke, sir, I do not say. He said, man, you're lying.

Look at you. man you don't smoke no crap I say yes I do He said how long have you been smoking I say since high school I said I love it He said man you lie man You don't smoke no crap

I say yes I do I love crack But I'm just saying this To keep me from giving me a Yeah yeah I'm on paper you know what I'm saying Personal use It's personal use

So now they got us in the car They're just waiting around for some reason and I hear him calling and they running our names so I hear them say like hey man you stay on such and such street I said no no no I'm from street

I'm not from New Orleans so come to find out if somebody got the same name as me so I'm like now that ain't me so I'm starting to talk to the police I say sir we are here to help clean up y'all's city

we're doing God's work yeah you know what I'm saying I said man we just come to have a fun at a party. We're right in front of the club, not round the corner. All we got to do is just get out and get in line. We're right in front of the club. I said, come on, man.

Let us. Man, that man looked at me and said, no, you care your head of jail. I'll say, well, I'd be damn. Man, when I tell you, New Orleans prison system, who! That shit totally different, man.

They was bringing guys in, I'm talking about, like, every 30 seconds, you see somebody else coming in. Doom, do, do, do. I'm like, God, damn, these people are off the chain. You know, so now they got us all processed and booked in and all this, him. So now, the New Orleans boys, you know,

because we had a thing, you know, in prison, it's them against Shreveport, South Louisiana, North Louisiana. Two different cars. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like cars, you know what I'm saying? But we really was rivals. So I'm like, oh, shit, I'm going to have to fight again. Here we go in my mind.

I got to fight. These New Orleans boys, you know. So a new Orleans boy come up to me. He said, hey, well, because that's how they're talking. Hey, what you're in for? So I'm explaining to him like, yeah, man, they pulled us over and they found dope on me and this and that. Then the police took all my money. You know, I ain't ever went through.

at the Shreepo or the police steal your money and all this. So the dude looked at me like, shit, they do this on the regular. I have these dirty cops, you know what I'm saying? Like, man, you're lucky. That's it. So I'm like, well, damn. You know? So now, I'm in a cell

you got a little young boys 16, 17. Man, these little young guys there for man, I'm talking about they love guns and they New Orleans. They love it. And rob, but that's them. Man, they're bringing yonsters in there, man.

I want to tell my one yonster coming. He just come in. Soon when he came, he kicked his shoes out. Fuck it. I ain't going nowhere. And just keep back in the bed. I say, man, crazy the idea. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just seen so much shit in O'PP, Arlene Paris prison.

Man, out to my motherfucker had guns in there. I seen a inmate with a gun. Man, them, man, they're hiding FEMA checks in their shoes, because the police still in them. They got FEMA checks in their shoes, just all kind of stuff.

You know, so I'm in there about my third day. And I know this guy, he must be the one that run the till. So he's some guys dying now, hey, hey, wolf, they come high later. I'm like, oh, shit, here we go

again. So I walked down now. He's like, Hey, Walt. I know you're dying there helping our people, you know. But you're from Shreepard, huh? I said, yeah. He said, I tell you what, when you get out, don't come back. So I knew what that meant.

And I looked there, I said, you ain't got to worry about that. I'd never come back to New Orleans again in my life. Fuck New Orleans. That's just how I took. I never come back here, you know. And so I said, well, I got spared. because he let me know, like, hey, we know y'all now and they have been cleaning up, so we're going to let you make it.

But don't come back. I say, hey, no problem. Right. So I go back to myself, now I'm in here kicking with all the other guys, or some guy named Wookie or something. We smoking cigarettes all day and night. And I'm just wondering like, damn, is this a set up? Is this motherfucker going to, he going to want something in return.

What? But he ain't getting all the thing. He wanted to use my three-way. I'm fine with that, you know. So I finally get out of there, and they give me a court day to come back. Right. I never went back. So what are you doing now?

Right now, I'm a family man. I'm married. I have a four-year-old and a six-year-old. I got a job. I'd have left the life behind me. I finally realized sometimes you got to work for what you want to get. Right. Being patient and humble.

That took a little bit. It took me a long time. I'm not for the last. It took me a long. I wasn't with it. They weren't my dreams. You know, that wasn't my dream. My dream was there, Lambeaus, Mercedes,

bentless, big houses. I was trying to save everybody. And that was what was wrong with me. I was trying to save everybody, trying to save my family and my friends. And they were going to do me just like Michael Vick. I'm going to be in the feds, too, selling keys. Well, listen, I can tell you,

Right now, doing 13 years in the feds, I never once thought, boy, I sure do miss my Audi. I sure do miss my, you know what I'm saying? Not once. It was like, missed my son. I miss my, you know, miss my girlfriend or miss my friends. Like I never once thought, man, I miss driving that Porsche. Not once. But you made the right call.

But you know what? My childhood friend Lou, Lou, I can't see him things like that. He did like, he did like, let me his flat. Mind you, he did jail time before he went. to the feds for drugs, all this. The guy there, like, living flat in the feds, came home. I was living in Colorado at this time, me and my wife, and he'd get out. Everybody back home calling me like, man, come get him, come get him, man, he's tripping

because he was getting out spas and slapping people just ready to go back, I guess. You know, so I come get, I said, look, man, come out here and stay, you good. The weed league out here, you can smoke. Get you a job. You good. Man, the next day, this guy ready to go back to Shrepo. Man, I don't like this.

I got to go. I said, and when he went back, he went right back to jail a week later. I said, man, this guy must really love jail. But I had to realize some people are really soldiers. Like, you really have some people

that just, that's what they want. Yeah, that's their life. That's their life. Like, that's the life they live. Like, you know how us, we'll be like, man, something will be wrong with that guy, why? But they're not working for nobody or nothing like. It's just this day life and this is how they're going to die, the game.

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