Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Lawyer Exposes Logan Pauls Crypto Zoo Scam - WITH FRAUD EXPERT

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

Lawyer Exposes Logan Pauls Crypto Zoo Scam - WITH FRAUD EXPERT

When I watch his video, it makes me think that he knows that he's been the subject of a criminal investigation. Because he has said, I can't talk about it. I just would like you to start out with, I haven't committed any crimes or stolen money from my fans. Like, I just want you to lead with that. Just lead with that. You know, I think a lot of people don't know that attempting a crime unsuccessfully, is in the eyes of the law, almost as bad as successfully attempting the crime. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Josh America's attorney,

and we're going to be talking about what I'm going to call the Logan Paul scam with a crypto zoo. I've watched a couple of great videos on Josh's channel. And what I really liked is that I, we, we actually have a very, very similar, a very similar opinion of whether or not Logan, Paul will get, you know, could be indicted and what he would be indicted for. And also about the defamation lawsuit, potential defamation lawsuit, which, you know, I check this out. Matt, thanks for having me on your show. Glad to be here. Sure. No problem. This got thrown together quick. But like I was saying before, I watched a couple of your videos this morning. My editor, Colby, he sent me the videos. I watched the videos. Really well done. Thank you. Really interesting. But I think Colby sent them to me to watch because you were talking about, you were talking about, there was a couple different videos. Well, one of them was. about the defamation like could you know could uh could uh logan paul sue um you know sue coffee zilla

and i was saying this almost the exact same thing you had said which was well i mean i feel like yes absolutely he could sue him he can sue him do i think it will get thrown out most likely and then i was saying and if it doesn't get thrown out then then coffee zilla will counter sue and you know i was explaining how that would basically play out and i was thinking that in a way you know you were saying that you don't you doubted that logan paul had actually talked to a a lawyer about this because he just doesn't really have much of a case well yeah it's not so much that he doesn't have a k i mean he's not going to win his case okay but i can tell that he if he talked to a

lawyer he just he didn't listen to the lawyer in any way like just whatever the lawyer said because the things that he's saying in his response video, they're nonsense if you have spoken to a lawyer. They're nonsense. You wouldn't say it. Yeah. Right. Well, I, you know, so I want to first talk about that. I want to get to my, I'm going to give you my explanation of how I think it played out and why he hasn't spoken in a year. I'm not sure if you ever watched that video. but I have an interesting take just based on my background, which I'm not sure you even know much about because this came about, this came about so quickly.

I know that you've been, you went to prison for 10 years longer than I did. Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit more. Sorry, 10 years longer than me so far. There's time. Yeah, there's time. I'm only, I'm a young man, right? Right.

So, so I was saying that I was like, look, I think, I think because Colby was like, well, would he sue him? Why would he sue? If he's going to lose, why would he sue? And I was saying, hey, listen, you have enough money. You'll sue people just obviously just to harass them. But on top of that, I said, he probably knows if I sue him, he'll counter sue me. We can then negotiate, you know, then we can end up settling.

And the settlement doesn't have to say that either one of us is at fault. And even if Logan Paul had to pay him 100,000 or 200,000, it would look good for him because he could at least elude to the fact that he won the lawsuit or that Coffee Zilla settled. From Logan Paul's perspective, he can twist that in a way to make it sound like, you know, that Coffee Zilla, you know, settled with him. even though he really paid you know you know how the lawsuits are like you know if you especially if you settle out of court or if you settle and neither there's a gag order on both of them then it may work to his advantage since he seems to have dug in on his position of i didn't do anything wrong and i'm as much of a victim as anybody even though he probably made a few million dollars so that was my take on that that very well may be possible maybe

why he said oh you know you were right about the the ending like you know save your money you're going to need it it was so well let me ask you a question if you're if you're Logan Paul I want you to think like Logan Paul which should be pretty easy because I don't know that you know I just think there's not a lot of effort being done there but just imagine you're Logan Paul for a minute this story comes out from coffee Zilla just imagine that you're super guilty like you actually have pocketed the money that the customers paid you haven't paid the developers whether the developers are good guys or bad guys or whatever but you haven't paid them right game doesn't work you have money how would you respond publicly if you're logan paul to what coffee zilla has

done okay well remember you're guilty oh i i know i know and keep in mind the person i was prior to prison would have probably done something very similar to him and denied everything. Yes, exactly. Okay. Right. However, since then, you know, I've realized, listen, my scumbag lifestyle got me in prison, which I had coming, no doubt. And I realized that really your only path to redemption is to just own up to everything.

And even the things that people don't know and admit that it's even worse than they think because if you don't come 100% clean you're not growing as you're not going to grow as a person and people typically can see through the bullshit because most people you know they're intuitive they can tell so you're just fooling yourself by thinking hey i can spend this in a positive manner your best bet is to say hey i screwed up people are very forgiving especially if you own up to it. And that's still his only chance. But he didn't do that.

No. No, you know, he's had two public responses now, right? One is kind of a shorter video, which I kind of mocked a little bit because he's like got the camera real close to him and his eyes looked like he's been crying. The piercing eyes. When he said that I laughed, I was watching that in the gym and you said, the piercing eye. And I, sorry, it was, that was a great video. Hey, you know, we got to use what we can. He's got beautiful eyes.

He should play that up, right? Right. No, he's definitely gotten very far on his looks. Yeah. I mean, I'll probably, you know, just kind of pull away from the camera and flex a little bit here. You know, I got to show off what I got. He's got to show off what he's got. That's fine.

But in the other video, the kind of the longer podcast form, where he's on with his buddies, he says, look, I'm the victim here. My team put me in positions where I was doing deals with bad guys, criminals, and I didn't know it. And I'm the victim, which, I mean, he's the leader of the project, right? He's got his name on it. There are some people who think that every problem is a leadership problem. And saying that you're a victim is like the worst kind of team leadership. It's not going to get him out of the mess. It's kind of, I don't know, it's hard to respect.

Yeah, I absolutely agree. And what's funny is, you know, he says that, you know, I put a team in charge of hiring all of these people. And what's comical to me is like, one, you put the team together. And he's never specifically said who the team is, but the team is probably Jeff his manager. He doesn't want to throw Jeff under the bus. So he keeps referring to this hypothetical team that messed up and hired these people. You know, that he, then, you know, look, that whole video is just like, it's, it's ripe with, with, uh, contradictions and, and, and it just, it really just makes them look worse and worse.

Okay. So when I watch his video, it makes me think that he knows that he's been the. subject of a criminal investigation because okay he has said i can't talk about it so listen that's my second thing that was the second thing i was going to say all right here is what here is what gets me here's here's what answers all of those questions now i've actually met several guys and i was actually offered do you do you do federal law yes okay so uh pre-trial intervention Yeah, smart. Okay.

So in my opinion, in my video, I said, listen, here is what makes sense. When everything went bad and he realized that the game was not going to come out, that everything he had promised wasn't going to work out, that his developer and is the manager of the, or the guy he hired, I forget his name. There's some Eddie. Eddie's the other guys and the other. What's the first name of the other guy? Zach.

Zach. Yeah. Zach Keller. So anyway, when he realized that all three of these guys are stealing from him and that that it's, they've got their own wallets, there's taking the money, they're undermining the whole thing. And then he realizes he's obviously said some things in texts that are damning. He's planning on running a little pump and dump scheme.

When he realizes he's done all that. in my opinion, I was saying, look, most likely he goes to his attorney because he said that he had spoken to an attorney. So I thought, look, most likely if you're making the kind of money he's making, $400,000 a month minimum. So if you're making that kind of money, you've got a lawyer on call. He probably called his lawyer, said, look, this is what's going on. Here's how much money's been taken. Here's the problem. And laid it all out. And the lawyer probably said, stop texting, stop talking to anybody. Do not respond.

Let me look at this. The lawyer probably looked into it, came back and said, look, there's a very real possibility that you've committed wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. And the best bet is for us to go to the U.S. attorney and explain the situation and see how we can correct it before you get indicted. He then met with them. There's then a six-month to a year-long investigation with the FBI or Secret Service, IRS, I'm not sure, whichever body they give it to.

Yeah, going to be the FBI. Okay, so they look into it. They come back and they, obviously, they worked out a deal during that time. And one of two things, you either pay everyone back or you complete the development of the project and deliver what was, you know, what's what you promised everyone. at that time coffee zilla comes out and logan paul is now available or free to talk about this he can't accept responsibility so his lawyer probably made very sure like let me explain something you cannot accept responsibility you've got an agreement you've told the u.s attorney you had no idea you

worked with them you made some mistakes you can't now come out and come with full responsibility because you may end up one getting sued two you may end up getting indicted it, you know, because it's completely at the U.S. attorney's discretion whether to indict you or not. So your only choice is deny that you were a part of the whole thing, that it was all a scam, don't even address those text messages, and create, complete the token or the NFT, that's why he's 100% sure. Oh, it's coming out. Of course it's coming out. If it doesn't come out, you're going to jail. I'd learn how to code just to make sure it came out. yeah so that that's my very i feel is a very real possibility that's a that's a reasonable hypothesis i like it let me let me let me challenge you with a question so like a lot of the time a uh the main reason that businesses don't succeed is under capitalization right it it takes more to get something going than you think it's going to.

Yes. It seems clear to me that a possibility, because I don't know if this happened, but a possibility here is Logan and his team, which I think is just his buddies, but whatever, I'm just going to say Logan, because I don't know who's on the other end of it. Here's a theory. Logan has this idea for a game and doesn't really know how much it's going to cost to build the game. Okay.

He starts promoting it. And obviously, he's a big name. It's a draw. People because of a lack of, well, you know what, I'm not going to blame the victims. But some people want to invest in his game. that money comes in now he's insistent insistent that he hasn't profited from this in any way which he doesn't have to have put money in his pocket for him to be a criminal in this situation or for him

to be civilly liable he doesn't have to have made the profit okay he doesn't have to be driving around in a car that that he bought with the money that these people put in but what if He undercapitalized this business severely. This first money started coming in from customers. Instead of allowing that money to do what it needed to do to play the game, he used that money to help grow the business. He reinvested it in the business. OK.

OK. To me, that sounds a little bit like a Ponzi scheme. Like, there's, he doesn't actually have a, he's not put enough money into the business. So when the first money comes in that's supposed to be used in the game, instead he's plugging it into the business to try to grow the business to get more money to come in to the game. So we can grow the business more. I don't know. I just like, I agree, but was there any money paid at all? Like there's a dispute on whether any money was paid to any of these developers.

Yeah. So we don't know that. And if I'm Logan, to me, it is so simple to show here's a transaction. I put it up on screen. Here is where I paid these people. Like he doesn't, there's not a lawyer in the world who's going to tell him that he can't show honest evidence of an actual payment to the actual correct people. Like get it out there. Leave it. with that. Yeah, I know I hear you, but the thing, here's the thing, taking the money and reinvesting it or taking the money for yourself or leaving the money in, in these, in these NFTs or these tokens or whatever he's got it tied up in, in his crypto zoo, leaving it in there, like, look, just because I bought a house doesn't mean I didn't profit. Well, like, if I'm a developer and I'm building houses and I end up with half of the houses and I use those houses, those sales of those houses to inflate the value. And I say,

well, I never made any money. Well, I still have 30 houses in my name. I have equity. Now, is the equity questionable? Yeah. Is it worth 20 million or 200 million? That's, that's up for debate. But I still have that. You still have the tokens. He's still got the the tokens that he bought or the NFTs. I forget exactly the sequence of events. But he still has the crypto, I guess it's cryptocurrency i guess it's token the crypto zoo he still has all the tokens and he's saying i'll never make any money like nobody has i don't think anybody has an issue with him making money like that's fine and and but him saying i've never made any money doesn't mean that you're not a scam artist like just because your scam artist your scamster buddies or your fraudster buddies

screwed you over before you got a chance to screw over all of your investors That doesn't mean you didn't just commit a crime. I mean, I looked at the text messages. It's a pump and dump scheme. You're very, you know, they're buying this much. They're going to hold it. They're going to sell it slowly. They will not sell it for more than anything that's going to affect more than 3% of the value.

Like, you've got, you're running a little pump and dump scheme, bro. So if the text messages show that it was an attempted pump and dump scheme. Yeah. And it didn't work. Like, he wasn't able to pump it and he hasn't been able to dump it. But, you know, I think a lot of people don't know that attempting a crime unsuccessfully is in the eyes of the law, almost as bad as successfully attempting the crime. Right. I would say it's running into the bank, attempting to go into the vault.

You can't get in the vault. you run back out of the bank. I mean, did you rob the bank? You know, that's still bank robber. I'm sorry that you weren't successful at it. You know, you still robbed the bank. You still went in. And let's face it, he did get some money.

He does have value there. He did acquire, he did acquire, you know, whatever he's calling it, you know, crypto zoo or whatever. He did acquire those. He does have value. So it did work to a degree. I haven't consumed all of his response to Coffeyzilla's trilogy. But I have not seen him say something like, hey, if crypto hadn't a tanked, we wouldn't have a problem here. Right. No, he hasn't said anything like that.

Yeah. I wish that he would say that. Because, not, I don't actually wish that, but like, for people who want to believe that he's not a bad actor, he can just blame it on market forces. And that's like so credible, right? You, like, no one understands why the value of crypto goes up or down. Everything seems behind a veil or a curtain. So if he wanted to just say, well, this isn't it, this isn't me. this isn't even the developers. Crypto has crash, and that's the real problem here.

Like, there is a lot of people, a large number of people who like him, who would accept that without further examination. I feel like that's a great excuse that he's left on the table, unless he has said it and I missed it. Well, no, he hasn't, not that I've seen. And here's the thing about that. it's still to me it because he hasn't said anything like that

you know tried to blame it on you know market forces out of his control then because he hasn't it goes to me it goes right back to you like it goes right back to the whole one of course don't talk about it don't admit it and you can't go on there and start coming up with excuses because you have an agreement with the u.s. attorney so do not go and start covering and making lies. You're just going to make yourself look worse or worse in case you're indicted in the future. Like, don't get yourself indicted. We have an agreement. We have a pretrial intervention. All you have to do is make the game good and, of course, cooperate,

assuming these guys are indicted and they go to trial. At this point, Logan, just don't own up, don't lie about anything. Don't own, don't take any responsibility for anything, for God's sakes and make sure the game works like that would meet all the criteria of a pretrial intervention and i'd known a couple of guys who have done pretrial interventions one of them ended up completing the pretrial intervention for a Ponzi scheme then ran another Ponzi scheme and they charged him for the first Ponzi scheme and the second Ponzi scheme um well done well done like you don't you know If you were born with certain stripes and you don't want to change him, that's fine. Yeah, listen, I think he's working on his third one right now.

Oh, wow. We'll see. But it's not Logan Paul. You don't know him. No, no. I don't know him. Okay, so I want to go back to something you said earlier, which I guess guarantees that what you said earlier is not going to get edited out or this is not going to get edited out. But in any case, you were talking.

talking about how Logan's bringing in, you know, three, four, 500K a month, we think, whatever it is. We don't know, right? My understanding of CoffeeZillah's take on the scam is that the people are out about two and a half million. Is that your understanding? So those are just the people he spoke with. Okay. Okay. There's thousands of other people that invested much smaller amounts, 2,000, 10,000, 15,000. So my estimate was there's probably, whatever, $5, $10 million out that's out there. Okay. Well, $10 million is a lot of money to me. Yeah.

five million no no that's a lot of money but what is preventing even if your theory is correct about a pretrial intervention what is preventing Logan paul from saying to everyone who put money in here is your money back i want you to play this game in 2006 when it works and until then here's your money back i'm not a scam artist I don't want your money. I don't want you to have it. My version is that the developers took it or my bad guys that my team hooked me up with have taken it.

But I don't want your money. I want you to have it. Yeah, I'm going to make good. Yeah. I'll take the $5 million or $10 million loss because I'm that kind of a guy. And I'm worth almost a billion dollars, right? Like he's $700 million.

that's nothing to him. And what you're signaling is, it's not a loss because I still back this game. It will work. You should come back to me. We're going to have so much fun hatching deformed weird animals online, more fun than you could ever have in real life. And we want to do it together with you, and I'm not going to make you be a victim. And I'm so sorry that I had your money for a few months. Here it is back. Right. I guarantee you there is no agreement with any U.S. attorney that doesn't allow for the proposed criminal defendant to pay restitution. Right. You could make yourself look so good to do that. Well, and I agree with you. Here's my problem with that.

because that's come up is that I understand you do you do a criminal law no no I mean very very very rarely now I've done it in the past but it's that's not it's not my jam okay well here's the thing and I'm gonna I'll give you an example and this is why my take is different even criminal defense attorneys if they spend a considerable amount of time with criminals a criminal's going to speak with you differently than he's going to speak to other criminals when you're incarcerated there's the veil is off there is no pretense these guys are brutal with each other they tell say exactly how they i mean if you think they're scumbags out on in the real world imagine what they're like among one another so i can tell you right now

that you never leave money on the table that if you can get away with me not paying these people back. Now, I'm sure if the U.S. attorney said, look, you pay back this $7 million and it's all good. I'm sure that part of his negotiation to me would have been like, hey, can I just make the game good? I can fix the game. Here's what happened. Possibly, because Logan would rather spend a couple hundred thousand dollars than give him $7 million, especially if he feels like he hasn't done anything wrong, which he seems to have diluted himself into believing. Okay, so I understand what you're saying, but you're working from an assumption that, as I hear it, that he's criminally liable, that he, that his intent has been to perpetrate

a scam, and therefore, why would he even try to rescue himself from that path by paying restitution is that right why not just why not make why why would i pay seven million dollars to get out of this when i can for a couple hundred thousand i can make the good the game good and keep the money why would i do that like if i can if my attorney can work that deal out with you as attorney which you probably can i i think and here's the other thing like here's the whole criminal mindset i'll give you an example he built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated 55 million dollars because 50 million wasn't enough and 60 million seemed excessive he is the most interesting man in the world i don't typically commit crimes but when i do it's bank fraud stay greedy

my friends support the channel join matthew cox's patreon did you ever see the movie war dogs no sorry man that's okay there's a movie called war dogs it's about these two stoner kids from Miami they get a massive contract with the federal government to sell ammunition for the Afghan security forces one of the kids that ended up in prison his name was Ephraim Devoroli Ephraim Devereoli and I were in prison together and I wrote his memoir so during the course of his memoir and listen this is a guy who is he I mean it's he is extremely intelligent and brutal and absolutely just he has no conscience at all so he ends I remember at one point he had told me about a deal where the guy he owed somebody

like $500,000 let's say for the sake of argument okay and he said yeah you know and he was hounding me for this money and this and that and I went well you made over a million dollars on the deal you owe him half a million dollars why didn't you just pay him and he went well he didn't have anything in writing and i went yeah i understand that but you told me you had an agreement with him and you told me you owed him the money and he just looked at me and he went anybody couldn't he there's no way for him to get that get the money and i went i understand that but you you you owed it to him you had an agreement and he looked at me and he went and i and i said okay let me explain. He said, even if he sued me, it might cost me $100,000 to fight the lawsuit.

And even if I negotiated some kind of an agreement, maybe another $100,000. So why would I give him half a million dollars when I know I can get out of it for $200,000 in a year from now? And I said, because you're burning bridges. And he goes, Matt, there's lots of bridges. So you're talking about the difference between someone with a completely broken moral compass. and someone who has some, like, kind of decency, right? Right, but you're assuming that Logan Paul has some decency. Okay. I haven't seen that.

Yeah. Okay. Well, he has a lot of fans. Yeah. So I think here's where I'm coming from. First of all, you got to understand, I don't give a rip about Logan Paul or his drinks or his fights or. or his scandals or anything like that. Like, I'm a real person living a real life, you know.

I don't care about that stuff. But I watch this video, and he is saying, like, I'm not the bad guy that I used to be, right? I've turned it around. I'm doing everything that I can possibly do to make things right, including not really talking to the investment. investigative reporter in any way, including giving vague denials that don't really make sense, including not being able to explain the text messages that seem very damning,

including not offering much of any real, no, not offering any restitution of any kind, not publicly giving real deadlines for when the game is going to be operable, Not producing any evidence of payments made to anyone to show that you're actually trying to work on it. Not explaining how you were able to go into business with people that you now say are criminals. Like, it's completely pathetic in one sense. But on its own terms, he's saying, I'm here to make it right. I'm not the bad guy you think I am.

Now, your buddy in prison, Ephraim, what did you say his name was? Yes. Ephraim Devereol. He didn't tell anyone he's a good guy? He doesn't go around saying, like me, trust me, please me, I'll please you. He's going to do what's good for him

with no ramifications in a world of traditional ethical norms. Right? Like other people have value, other people have rights. Yes. Okay. According to Logan's own terms, he is saying, I live in this world with norms. I used to be a bad guy. I'm a good guy. Well, if you're going to live in that world, you have to play by the rules that we play by, which is if you are worth billions of dollars, which are, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars, which I have no reason to believe that that's true.

true. But if that's true, then, you know, the financial future of the people who trusted you that you ruined, make it right. Like, if you want to build your brand, do just a tiny bit, a tiny bit to show that your money is where your mouth is. But it's not happening. It's so easy. Oh, my word, it's so easy. He actually could have used Coffee Zilla's expose to say, oh, well, this is where I launched my reimbursement campaign. Like, he could have killed Coffee Zilla's story, you know, instead of like hunkering down and claiming he's not allowed to say anything or do anything. I don't know. I don't have a, I guess I don't have enough of a criminal mentality.

That's my problem. Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a problem. But yeah, I, I, I, well, you want to be able to code switch, right? You want to be able, when you're with the good guys, you say good stuff. And then when you're in prison, you need to be able to just thug it out. It's funny, like, when I'm sitting here listening, because I'll, I interview a lot of criminals, right? Like, that's what I do. I interview guys at, you know, break into ATMs, you know, rob banks, run Ponzi schemes, you know, that sort of thing.

So what's so funny is I can't tell you how many times they're in the middle of telling me their story. And I'm like, nice, nice, like, and then I had to stop myself and I, and I'm like, well, wait a minute, wait a minute, stop. What are you doing? Like, don't, what are you doing? What are you doing? stop um but it's the same thing when i hear logan paul i start doing the numbers and i think man that these guys were going to walk away with like 30 40 million dollars like this that's a nice lick and then i think whoa whoa whoa it's a pump and dump scheme bro like there's it's funny i went on

coffee zilla's uh patreon he interviews a girl or a woman from australia you know she's a single mother she lost two thousand dollars that she doesn't have to lose that's that's that's my point Yes. Yes. What would it cost super wealthy, fabulous, famous, green-eyed Logan Paul to give her her two grand back? Yeah, two grand. If she is persuaded to give it to him one time, if he gives it back and gets the game up running, she'll probably come back with $2,500. Yeah. And think about it. If the game does come out, come back and it does end up working and it, and and it does well, and he really puts himself, puts his money where his mouth is, then the $2,000 that he's giving her, he doesn't lose. Oh, that's my point.

Yes. And if he hasn't already spent it on other stuff, then it's just sitting around waiting to be returned anyway. I, it's just, it's, you know what, it's, you know what's funny. It, to me, it's a classic example of what, happens when you get famous and you start making a lot of money and everybody you have all these sycophants around you you just start surrounding yourself by yes men before you know it you start believing your own press okay now think you're incredible that hurts a little bit because i actually

have like 16 producers and fans here in my studio and they're all telling me like everything i do is great and i never say anything wrong and now you're i hear you calling that into question listen But I hear, listen, do you have like, like I have a girlfriend who periodically, I'm like, listen to what this guy just said in the comment section. And I'm like, he said, you know, I'm this, I'm that, I'm wonderful, I'm great. He listens to me all the time. He loves everything I do. And I said, right. And she'll look at me and she'll go, he doesn't know you.

You know, okay? Trust me. You're not all that. So I keep a few people. I have a couple of buddies around me that will tell me like, listen, you're a douchebag. Okay. people get little micro they get little little micro segments of you at your best but the truth is you're kind of an asshole and I'm like I want to keep those guys around me yeah it keeps you level

headed you need you need them around you or you'll end up uh proving right all the people in the comments who say that you're like the worst person that ever lived that you're uh you aren't actually reformed and you've figured out a way to run your criminal scam on YouTube rather than in prison or whatever. You have been, you have been watching my stuff. Exactly. Listen, there's, that's 10% of the comments. Yes. Oh, okay, so listen, I have put out four videos about this Logan Paul Coffeezilla thing. And like I was saying before, like i don't actually care about it i don't i don't drink prime and i don't watch fighting except with my kids and um you know i don't i don't really care about the issues but like i make

these videos i know what i'm talking about i mean i practiced law for 20 years i've had 20 000 clients i'm not just like somebody getting up there and saying well here's what i think about Logan Pohn, whatever. Like, I'm just talking about the law. No joke. Read a comment this morning that said, L for the lawyer, fake lawyer, doesn't understand the difference between a one-party state

and a two-party state for consenting to phone calls. And I'm like, dude, this guy, this guy in the comments who thinks I'm a loser, he's the guy I'm trying to reach. Because my entire mission is to help people understand the law so that when they hear news, they can interpret it without their idiot friends telling them, well, this is what this means, or this is how this is going to work or whatever. And not going to believe the spin from the famous person who says, I didn't do anything wrong.

Like, just kind of thinking like a lawyer. But this guy, I can't reach him. I straight up explained the difference between. one party and two party consent and how they interact in the video which you watch because he's commenting on and he's just like loser yeah okay well i hope i hope he subscribes and watches a few more videos and then maybe maybe he learned something that's what i always get back to him i'm like listen did you watch the video like did you subscribe like you can say whatever you want subscribe watch the video please watch the commercials i have a patreon um you know and then it's just it infuriates

him. I had a guy who he left this rant about what a scumbag, selfish piece of garbage I was, you know, just went on and on and on, no conscious, just just horrible things, right? And I, and my response was, and yet I sleep like a baby at night. Like, what do you think you're, do you think that if all that's true that your comment is going to upset me? Like, let's assume all that's true. Do you think that that sit me into a tailspin? come on um what i was going to i was going to say is you know i forgot about the two-party state like my take on it was that you know like and i don't know the exact law but i said let's assume that obviously he that he well obviously that i'm not sure i'm not a lawyer so he could not he could not

record him and he did and he played the recording and i said i have a hard time believing that anybody is would even charge him and if they if they did what's it going to be a misdemeanor like who's going to charge him well okay to me silly you've been on the other side of that so let me ask you a question what what state were you in when you committed crimes uh it's out florida Georgia South Carolina okay Alabama well okay you did you get charged in Florida the what did you get charged in Florida yes for for for breaking the law while you were in florida yes okay well coffee zilla was in texas when he made the phone call did he violate texas law no texas is a one-party consent state

so california has a two-party consent rule but he's not in california they can't go get a sheriff from california to drive to texas to arrest him you you're not not subject to the criminal laws of another state when you are in a state whose laws you are not violating. It's so, it's like so basic. Like, I want to teach the rules of the game to people because, because life is a game with a lot of complicated rules. And it's easier to play if you know them. And it's easier to win if you know them. And there are people who know the rules and they use them against the people who don't know them. That happens every single day.

And so- I've done that many times. Yeah. And there are people who know the rules and know how to break them, right? And maybe Logan Paul is one of those guys. I don't know. But like, Coffee Zilla is not going to get a California arrest warrant for something that he did in Houston. It's not going to happen.

And, you know, I can get like law shamed in the comments. as much as possible, but I actually do know which states can prosecute people for actions committed in violation of that state's code. And I guarantee you it's only people who are inside that state. Well, great. I mean, either way, yeah, that's perfect. I was going to say your explanation, my explanation, that is the same thing. I just, I mean, that's perfect. So obviously it didn't break the law at all. So right. Now, if he were in California, he would have committed a misdemeanor and he would have been, I mean, assuming, assuming that he didn't get permission, which seems unlikely, there's actually a provision in the statute, which says if the person

on the other end of it has reason to believe that it's not a private conversation, you're not guilty of a violation. Well, straight up says, I've got my suspenders on. I'm doing my investigative reporting. Like, why would you think it's a secret conversation? And he, so you, and you, he says on the recording, basically says, you're a journalist. You report on news. You're a journalist. So he says, like, you're doing an investigation.

So he can't say, oh, I thought we were just having a conversation. I thought we were around the barbecue. You know, I thought we were just a regular conversation. I didn't know what was going on, you know. So, and so then the sheriff, when Jeff runs to the sheriff to complain. that he's had a misdemeanor committed against him. And so the sheriff's going to say, okay, so then you said what to this reporter?

And he's going to say like, well, I didn't really say anything. I kind of told him like, I really didn't have much of a comment. Oh, and you want me to drive to Texas to arrest someone that you didn't really say much of anything to, but they told you that they were making a story for public consumption? I mean, I'll tell you what. there's perks to being famous and logan paul is enjoying some of those perks which is that you can say some really really stupid stuff and people are just like oh this is so great we love you i i do you know i i i also want to touch on this just because i found it comical and i think

you'll find it comical is that this killed me when he was like like jeff said all these things you know all of these things you know he said these things you know he said these things things, it was an illegal phone call and you're going to be sued. And he just discarded the phone call. He discarded that also these guys are also criminal so you can't trust their word, never addresses the text. But here's the thing, and this is what killed me. I said, you know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of the DEA getting a search warrant for a house, for a house, going into the house, they raid the house they find a meth lab so they find a meth lab they arrest you they get you downtown they get you to the courthouse and come to find out that the address was the wrong address on the

search warrant and everything gets thrown out so it was a legal search does that mean that you didn't have a meth lab I mean we're talking about two different things here you still you're still you're still making meth like you still ran a scam doesn't matter It doesn't matter if the illegal, if the guy was a, you can't trust his word, doesn't matter if the, if, even if the phone call was the illegal. Like all of these things that Logan Paul brought up, none of it, regardless of all of that, it's still a scam. Hey, the number one, the number one, like, I know Logan Paul didn't have a lawyer helping with his defense speech because the number one thing that he leads with is, um, coffee Zilla did this. for he did this reporting for views and fame and ultimately to make money which is everything that he does okay i just would like you to start out with i haven't committed any crimes or stolen money from my fans like i just want you to lead with that just lead with that

Maybe, yeah, maybe you bring up that CoffeeZilla is profiting off of the story. Later, lead with, just please, just please lead with, I'm not a scam artist. And if you can't lead with that, don't say anything at all. But I will say this, many times when, journalists, whether they work on YouTube or at a newspaper or a television network or what have you, report on a high-profile crime or scam or whatever. Later, those reporters, they get a paycheck from the newspaper or network that they work for. Does it make their reporting less valid that it's their job?

Like, Coffeezilla is self-employed. He better go find famous people to report on. It doesn't make it not true. It makes it smart. Wow. Yeah, it was pretty clear. Like, it's pretty clear. And if you go to his Patreon and everything,

like it's so clear that he covered all of his bases. My problem is we are failing to account for just how stunning Logan Paul's eyes are. The dude, he has a piercing stare. Look at me. I'm just a guy. I can take my glasses off. You can't even zoom in on my eyes, but they're just human eyes. They're not that impressive.

They're not going to launch some $100 million business like he has, but he can get the camera in his face and just say whatever he wants. And it looks sincere. But like, if you think about what it is, it is nothing. It's just farting in people's faces, basically. I think we should I think we should wrap it up with farting in people's faces but you want me to actually do it because uh no no no you don't um okay I mean I listen I I mean unless you have anything else you want to say I'm sorry I was going to

I mean I 100% want to encourage people to go watch my Logan Paul videos oh absolutely no listen they're way better than this one um so oh no you you you did a great job your editors did a great job i mean it's it's uh you know you really take apart the uh the whole thing and and um oh you have i i only watched you said how many videos i only watched two of them i did a short one a couple weeks ago and then i did a longer one that's like 20 minutes long and then this week i did two little short six or seven minute ones um and they've gotten some traction i'd love for people to watch them uh i have a very young YouTube channel. I've only been at it for about a year. I would love people to subscribe.

My passion is helping people understand how the law affects them in real life so that they don't ever have to hire a lawyer. They can get free legal advice from YouTube ahead of time. So that's what I'm all about. And it's super entertaining. Like I mean, yours, like there's a lot of there's a lot of YouTube channels out there by lawyers, but yours is done very well. It's, it's entertaining. It's, it, it really grips you right away. Uh, it's, you know, visually, it's fun to watch. Like, it's, it's really, I'm, I'm just saying, because when he was like, when Colby told me, hey, I got this lawyer, I thought, ah, man. And I don't want to watch a video about a lawyer. And I was like, wow, this is like, this is really good. Hey, thanks so much. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, my, my editor's

got to step his game up. He really, oh, oh, out. Ouch. So I got to talk to Colby. I mean, You'll probably get that part of this conversation out. Oh, that'll never make it. Okay, yeah. Well, you know, listen, nobody's watching my videos because they're hoping for professionalism. I appreciate you coming on. And, yeah, I thought this was great. So thank you.

I really do appreciate it. All right. Thank you very much. It's my pleasure. I hope it's not my last time to be on your channel. And I hope I see some of your viewers migrate over. and watch some of my opinions. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, and look, if you want me, you know, you want me on your channel or anything, or you ever wanna, you ever need the advice of a criminal? I'm available. Like, everybody's like, you should say former con man, former, I don't say that because like an alcoholic, you're still an alcoholic, I'm just not drinking right now. You know, like I just, I'm not, I'm not active.

Well said. So yeah, definitely if you want me on the show or anything, Definitely. And absolutely, let's face it, things are going to keep coming up. So I'm, sure we're going to keep reaching out. Yeah. So here's what's going to happen. Logan Paul is going to get sued by the investors. I 100% can guarantee it's happening. It's a guarantee. And we should talk about that lawsuit sometime. Yeah, that would be great. We've got to wait for it to come out. But yeah. All right. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Yeah, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Good to see you, Matt. All right. See you.

hey i appreciate you guys watching and if you like the video do me a favor and hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this leave me a comment in the comment section and i respond to almost all the comments obviously i have patreon i have a patreon it's in the description box i also have all my true crime books my own personal memoir also it's in the uh in the description box and for america's lawyer i'm going we're going to leave the link to his YouTube channel, and he's got some really good videos. Well, I've been out of watch two, but the two that I watched were done super well, and he's very entertaining and it's not boring, and it's not what you typically think of a lawyer's channel as being. So, you know,

it's honestly, it could very much be kind of a Graham Steffen type thing, because when you think of a real estate agent, you don't think of exciting, but you watch Graham Steffin's channel and super cool. So I, uh, I once again, appreciate you guys, uh, watch. So thank you and I will see you.