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Episode Date: December 16, 2024

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United Healthcare knowingly used faulty artificial intelligence to deny claims that were legitimate to increase profitability. The CEO knew and didn't care. It's the same guy who was being investigated by the DOJ and the SEC for insider trading to the tune of $15.1 million. Luigi Mangione is seen as a hero right now. It's a very intriguing story. I mean, just on the face Even if we just accept the truth is the fact that a guy who seems like he came from a normal, just American family, to then shooting, you know, the CEO of United Healthcare in broad daylight before 7 a.m. in Midtown Manhattan, it's a leap, but still, it's very strange. Now, sometimes, you know, the truth is is the most strangest explanation for things.

another podcast that I did earlier and the guy that was, you know, his name was Chad Marks that I did the podcast. I remember he said, oh, I think this guy wanted to get caught. I don't think he wanted to get caught. He was saying like he thinks Mangione wanted to get caught. He had this little manifesto written the whole thing. But the truth is is, look, it's not easy to get multiple fake IDs, you know. He had fake IDs. He went through a lot to try and hide his identity. He just screwed up. You know, he pulled the face down. And he's not a professional. professional hit guy. Right.

But he was definitely going out of his way to try and not be tracked down. He put a lot of thought into it. He didn't put a lot of thought into it to get caught. He would have just taken an Uber, hopped out, stood by the door, and just waited for the guy. He went through, he made scouting runs. He had alternate fake IDs. He think he went through a lot. I think he probably, in his mind, probably had a plan to crack a bunch of these guys.

you know, kind of do a whole Unabomber thing. That's my thought, because he also left social media posts on Unabomber content that's out there. Interesting. I'd heard that, that he gave it like a five-star review, or he made little comments that he liked what he said, he understood it. So if that's the case, and I think he might have been kind of a, you know, I don't know, follower, but he may have thought, hey, something similar to this could work. Because you don't have that. It's not, look, it's not easy for the average person to just suddenly decide to get a fake ID.

Yeah. That's difficult. Get a fake ID. The risk associated with a gun that doesn't have a serial number. Yeah. The ghost gun. Travel. Yeah.

Travel and stay at a place using the fake ID thinking they're not going to check and find out. There's a lot. But personally, I think he was clearly disgruntled about things. I don't know that we have enough information about who he is. I think it's going to start to come out as an investigation goes deeper, police speak with people. You know, like how many witness or how many statements have you read by people who knew him? Have you seen any interviews or statements?

You know, you're not going to see that until the police get into it and stuff starts coming out in public record. We don't know, like, is the character of who he is. It's just strange that he showed up in a McDonald's and somebody identify him by his eyebrows. That's a little... Right, right. You know, and when I did a video on this, the comments, we're just like, you know, fire that McDonald's worker, like sit down and fix your ice cream

machine. Like, what? Yeah, people are. It's seen as a hero right now. Yeah. Yeah. People were saying, like, if you think that when they were looking for him, if you think that anybody's turning this guy in, you are anybody who's ever had to deal with an insurance

company in their life is not going to turn this guy in. You know, still, I'm not going to advocate for anybody just going out shooting people. Yeah. But, yeah, he, it's. It's interesting. I, the fact that he's alive is what's going to be interesting because he's going to, now he, it's funny, this will give him a platform. Yeah. And you were very, very soon or, well, whatever, maybe a year from now or however long it takes to prosecute him, is you're, he's going to get out.

The real story will be out there, right? Like, his, his lawyer, his criminal defense lawyer has come forward saying that we're not playing guilty. Like, he's innocent till proven guilty. We're not taking any deals. Like, he didn't do. Okay, yeah. So there's more to the story. Most cases are circumstantial.

Like, you know, the circumstantial evidence right now is overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I really wonder what is defenses. I wonder if that's for optics or if, because, and that's the other thing. If he wanted to get caught, his lawyer could have made a statement. My client wants to, you know, make a statement about, you know, the treatment of elderly in this country and the lack of their care and the denial of their coverage.

and liquidation of their assets just to pay to be alive is akin to what my client did, which is murder. He could have said that. He didn't say that. He said, my client's pleading not guilty right now, and he didn't do the crime. I think that that theory's blown. I wonder how he knew the guy was going to be there.

So he clearly has been sort of planning this for a while, right? The premeditated nature of this, he walked through it. Look, it's probably not that hard. I mean, it's publicly traded company. You know, he's probably watching conferences. He's trying to see what this guy's doing, which hotel he is. It's just, it's still wild that it happened at 745, like 6.45 AM in Midtown, Manhattan, one of the busiest places in planet Earth.

You know, gun jams. He's got a silencer on it. It's. Or, well, yeah, I was going to say. So you're, we're assuming it's the, it's the same ghost gun. True. That he, so I watched a video that showed that a, a guy had a gun with a silencer that is a single shot gun that has to be and so he took it and he said so

you know he fires he has to has to do it again fires has to do it again fires and he said and if you look at the gun boy it looks now now this was when the video first came out he's like I think this is the weapon he used he said and he basically it's very unique but it's easy easy to manufacture or make. But once again, we don't know, you know, what happened to the weapon, if it is the ghost gun. And how did he get a ghost gun? Does he have a 3D printer? Like, did he order the 3D print?

Did he order it online to get it? Like, he's obviously, the fake IDs, he probably ordered from some Russian website where you send a JPEG in of your face and what you want on it and they give it to you. You might have to do it a couple times before you actually get a license because a lot of them just steal your money. but so that's not super difficult but going through those steps of finding them obtaining one that will actually provide what they're promising getting it through the mail like these are this is a he took a lot of steps to try and cover his tracks he did now this is controversial but i've read it and i've read it in the comments to some of my own videos on this guy and that is why is nobody

talking so much about the fact that so many people want to give him a a pass because he was a decent looking guy and how would we have treated him if he was a other race or he looked different? What if his last name was Muhammad? What if his last name was Muhammad? I mean, seriously. And I think the conversation would be very different.

I don't think he would be a hero. If he looked like me and that happened, there would be a lockdown. Tell me I'm wrong. There would be a lockdown in Midtown Manhattan. We're talking about Manhattan. They really looked for this guy, though. You know what I'm saying?

You can't say that they didn't pull out all the stops. I'm not saying they didn't, I'm not saying they didn't try. You know what would have been different? You wouldn't have been treated as fairly in social media as he is. Like right now, people are looking at him as a hero. They still, I think the police would have looked absolutely 100% just as much for you as they did him. Yeah. But I think you would have been treated differently in social media.

True. And I think the questions and major media, I hate. I hate major media outlets. I think the conversation they would be having would have been very, very different. It's just a very interesting thing, right? There's this picture of him with the six-pack abs floating around.

And he clearly liked McDonald's. I've seen multiple pictures of him with the McDonald's ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a big fan. Yeah, yeah. And the commentary is like, more reasons to boycott McDonald's.

Right. I'm just, it's weird, man. It's weird. But, you know, it's funny because you know, the people that are saying all that stuff. Like, I get it is funny and it's cute and everything. But this guy had a wife. He had kids.

He had, you know, he, he made, I'm sure he in, you can justify anything. Yeah. I've met too many, too many criminals that can justify, absolutely. So he justified every decision he's ever made, probably thought he was making the best decisions for the company, probably, you know, whatever, you know, maybe, maybe he was a great CEO, maybe he was a great person, I don't know. this guy determined that he the guy had to go um you know for whatever reason you know everybody just wants to villainize this guy because he's a CEO of a company yeah and and i but who knows

and look as as a lawyer you always have to try to see both sides first before you make a conclusion and i the first thing i did when i looked at this is i'm like look okay look first of all exactly what you said doesn't justify murder let's just be honest you got shot in the back of the head street execution style right totally wrong thing to do There's other avenues to accomplish a message about we got to change health care. Assuming that's the message, okay, or change greed, corporate American greed. The other side of it is there's a lawsuit filed last year. Do you know about this by the decedents of some elderly people that were in care homes?

Did you hear about this? No. So I was doing some research on this, and a family sued United Healthcare, November of last year. arguing that the company knowingly used artificial intelligence that was faulty. Okay. That's where this comes out of. It comes out of litigation. Okay.

Separate litigation. That they knowingly used faulty artificial intelligence to deny claims that were legitimate to increase profitability. That is a big deal. We all know, most people know, that insurance companies try to weasel out of things. That's why we have insurance contracts. That's why they define the term. claim the way they define it. That's why they investigate, the way they investigate. But this is

very, very overt. I mean, an artificial intelligence tool with 90% inaccuracy. And it wasn't for like, you know, plastic surgeries or optional surgeries. It's elderly people in care homes who are now getting booted out and liquidating assets to be able to cover and stay alive. Right. That is sinister. That paints a very dangerous. different picture of United Healthcare, doesn't it not? Yeah, yeah. It's not just I'm a CEO trying to build, you know, above average returns for my shareholders. It's a sinister thing. And he knew, according to the allegations, the CEO knew and didn't care. This is the same guy, again, unrelated to the murder, is the same guy who was being investigated by the DOJ and the SEC for insider

trading to the tune of $15.1 million. Right. Same guy who paid $22 million in ransomware because they didn't have the adequate security protections when you're in the health space, bro, right? So it tells us a little bit about who the guy is. Again, negligent or grossly negligent doesn't justify shooting him in the back of the head. Yeah, yeah, you don't get to walk around and just shoot people. But I do think that this case will be really interesting from a, if it gets to a jury trial, I do think it's going to be interesting as to the public sentiment of the, you know, the jurors that are sitting there. How are they going to view?

Now, what gets into evidence and what gets presented to a jury as a science, it's to some degree. You don't know what they're going to get to hear, though. That's the problem. Yeah, they're like, Your Honor, that's irrelevant. Well, then it's irrelevant that he has a wife and three kids. Right. But we're not going to let in evidence of character and,

or we're not going to let in evidence of, you know, potential motive. So it's, it's strange that it was this guy. I do think it's strange. I don't know if he was a rich, spoiled kid with a little bit of psychopathic tendencies. I think some research into his history will come out. Maybe he had ex-girlfriends that he beat up or boyfriend. Who knows? Maybe he was killing kittens with hammers, you know, as a kid.

Who knows? He may have been a little psycho, the whole. Yeah. Don't mess with the cats, right? Have you seen that Netflix? Yes. Yeah, that guy. You know.

That was great. That was great, too. Boy, those sleuths, man. They tracked that dude. 100%. That was amazing. 100%. So something will come out of it. I think one, I hate to say good thing, but something that had a repercussion is now people

are paying attention to health insurance company operations and the optics of denying claims and what that looks like, which at least we could turn a negative into a positive, hopefully. Well, the industry of protecting CEOs of major companies is definitely going to shoot, you know, shoot up. People are going to be hired. A lot more people are going to be hired, a lot more 24-hour sales. security a lot more and they're going to build that to the you know to the insured of course did you have you seen that picture there's like a meme with like the top 10 or 15 CEOs of healthcare companies and

like the first one has an X through it oh and it's just like yeah I saw one where it was like the you know 29 point you know there yeah their bonuses is a 29.2 million dollars you know next one's like 22.7 million dollars next one's like 19 point it's going all the way down this guy wasn't very high on that list you wasn't super super high on But it was still 7 million or 8 million or something like that It was just like It's a lot

Did you ever read the book? Poor Colby Did you ever read the book By John Grisham The Rainmaker? Yeah Yeah, yeah, classic Yeah, that that it's just You know, that's game

It's funny because I was thinking about that And now, I mean, obviously I read the book in prison And I saw the movie I was trying to explain to my wife I was like, it's, She was like, you said the movie was horrible. I said, if you've never read the book, it's a good movie, you know? I don't know if you saw the movie or not.

I've seen the movie. Yeah. Well, I read the book. So you read, you know, you see the movies and you always walk where I just disappointed, right? Because I can't do 10 hours of screen. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants.

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Because with regular comprehensive eye exams at Specsavers, you'll know just how healthy they are. Visit Spexsavers.cavers.cai to book your next eye exam. Eye exams provided by independent optometrists. time. Correct. You know, to make it the equivalent of what the book was. But, and it was the same thing with the runaway jury. Like, there's so many of his books that have been turned into movies that if you, John Grisham was a lawyer. Yeah, yeah, I know. And he wrote, he wrote a time to kill on the subway. Was it on the subway? You might be right. He actually, he actually published

a time to kill. It did horrible. Then he published the firm. It became a best, seller. Then he did like the Pelican Reef. Then he, then they republished a time to kill. And it became a bestseller. It's like, well, it didn't change. I didn't change one word of it. It's marketing. It is marketing. You know, one of my law professors practiced law with John Grisham way back in the day. He said he was not a good lawyer. He was a good writer. Right. But he was not a good lawyer. And it's probably why he gravitated towards being obsessed with these stories and writing them. You know, the funny thing is I always say that whenever we have someone who's going to be like a lawyer, I'm like, you know, I don't even really worry about, because sometimes I'll help guys. I'll be like, look, if you tell your story, make sure you do this, because the truth is is that if you're, what I've realized is that if you've ever gone to trial or if you're a lawyer, you have to be a good storyteller.

You have to from day one. Is this the fact, even transactional work, if you're doing M&As, you have to be able to sell the value to the other side. You have to be able to tell the story of why goodwill is what it is, and you have to be able to tell the story of why you need a closing day. It's just in litigation, we see it, you know, and, but the thing about people don't understand about being a lawyer that's difficult is we are always, it's one of the only professions where you're constantly under scrutiny and getting slapped by people. Think about it.

Everything you do is subject to public, especially litigation, is subject to public scrutiny, starting from the complaint you file. People are going to read it. Who wrote this stupid thing? The judge is going to look at it. Opposing counsel is going to look at it. The parties are going to look about it. There's going to be a blog on it.

There's going to be an Instagram post about it. Then you get into discovery and then you get a deposition. So it's it is not for the, you know, for people who are weak for public criticism, especially in today's world, right, with TikToks and viral videos and stuff. Well, I've never gotten an email that started, you know, where I saw Esquire at the end of the name. And I thought, you know, who's this? My first thought, oh, Christ. Yeah.

If somebody knocked at the door and said, hey, I'm an attorney with, I'd be like, ah, fuck. Yeah. You know, it's like, you might as well say, hi, I'm an internal revenue service agent. Ah, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants that.

So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to have thick skin. You do. You do. And I don't know, but just a close loop on this Luigi guy. Yeah. What do you think about the theory that he was, in fact, in some kind of covert operative?

Come on. Have you seen that? No. But it's like the, what's the crook? What was the crook? The kid that shot at, that you never hear about, by the way. The Trump guy. The Thomas.

Oh, right. Yeah. Never hear about that. Yeah. So here's my theory on that. Yes, let's hear it. My theory on him is, it's exactly what it looks like. That's the truth, the truth of it.

But when you start, when guys started coming in, guys were saying, because I did a podcast with Danny Jones on this, and we actually talked to a, former CIA agent. And so we had a conversation, which I don't think really went anywhere. I mean, nice guy, but his basically, his thing was like, look, he's like, I think it's what it is. It's exactly, it's a kid that had become disenfranchised or whatever you want to call it with Trump and decided he was going to take him out and that's he's going to make a name

for himself or whatever. But then you've got the people that are saying, hey, what if this was a CIA op or What if it was, whatever, you know, somebody. And my thought was, in today's society, how hard would it be to do that in a way that you say, okay, we're not going to, you know, kind of like the, um, uh, uh, Kennedy and, um, I'm just going to say, uh, what, what's the guy that shot Kennedy, uh, um, booth. John Wilkes Booth. No, John Wilkes Booth is Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln. Um, I'm talking about Lee Harvey Oswald. Thank you, Lee Harvey Oswald. I don't know why you're looking at me. I don't know.

Lee Harvey Oswald. So Lee Harvey Oswald, when you look at him, they had been tracking him forever. There was plenty of, like, if you looked at someone to be a patsy, he was perfect. He's gone to the Soviet Union, or he went, I was almost said defected, but he went to the Soviet Union. He had been passing out pamphlets, goes to the Soviet Union, marries a Soviet or a Russian girl. He becomes disenfranchised with their sister. He comes back here. He's still passing out pamphlets.

He's involved in all of these in politics. He gets a job at the, he's got a bunch of manial jobs, gets a job at the Texas Book Depository. And he's in the perfect space. And then suddenly at the last minute, they changed the route to go right in front of it. And boom, this guy shoots him multiple times. He was not a great marksman.

the gun was the site possibly was defected was it was it not who knows but the point is is if you look at it like he's the perfect patsy and I thought how do you find the perfect patsy now it's 10 times easier all you have to do if you have access to

the NSA you say here's what we want Trump is going to be at these 14 locations throughout the country over the next three months I need to know individuals you know you give them the makeup right

like a white male that can shoot that is between the ages of 18 and 30 or 40 or whatever that have been posting social media you know horrible whatever violent things about Trump on social media that is clearly you know liberal

they just give them the basic makeup right the psychological makeup of what they think a shooter would be and i need to find who fits that who fits that profile in these 14 different city within within a within a 45 minute drive of these 14 cities yeah they're going to come up with 190 of them yeah i got 25 guys here two guys here six guys here 14 here 13 here 11 here they're going to go okay now what we're going to do is we're going to look at all those guys which one of them currently own weapons which can shoot which can this, which don't have family, which, you know, who are the guys? And all you got to do is you go to the guy and you say, look, we've read your social, well, you pull him, he's walking

to work one day, you pull him into a, into a band with a bunch of guys, and you say, listen, here's what we're doing. This is what we, here's what you've said. Here's your chance. Here's your chance. We can't do it. We need plausible deniability. You are perfect. Once you're finished with this, we're going to get you out of the, we're going to give you money and get you out of the country. It'll look perfect for you. You'll be doing your country a service, we promise they will never find you, knowing we're going to have them shot. Yeah. As soon as he gets on, as soon as he takes the shot and takes this guy out and getting, shooting

someone with like a, what do you shoot him with an M4 or, no, it was it a AR-15 or something like that? I thought it was an ER. Okay. Like, honestly, if you talk to most of these guys out there, they're like, it's amazing he didn't tear him apart. Like he wasn't that far away. He had a scope.

He really should have just, and he almost did. Let's face it. If Trump hadn't turned at the last minute, that one, that was. it. That one bullet was done. It's actually mind-boggling. What a story. I mean, oh, my God, just within. That's the perfect setup. Yeah. That guy would have been perfect. It is. It would have been perfect. And then they have total deniability. So if you were going to do it, he would have been perfect. I don't think that's what it was. Um, what I'm saying in today's society, they probably had 120 guys they could have gone to. 60% of them could have pulled it off.

This kid was a shooter. He tried out for the, He shot many, many times. He tried out for his high school shooting team, right? It didn't make it. But it's obvious that he's a shooter. He's made a bunch of, has a bunch of social commentary on Trump, things he's disliked. But now we don't hear about anything.

He's gone. Yeah. Never hear about it. We don't hear much about it. I don't know what, you know. Mainstream media certainly doesn't, isn't pushing the agenda. They want to forget about it. No.

Immediately. You know, the opposite. is it stories also being told that, oh, this was a setup to get him elected. And I think that's much more implausible to happen. He was already getting elected. Yeah, yeah. Not, well, not only that, but imagine putting that margin of error on your, yeah, shoot me in my earlobe. Oh, that, oh, you mean, I'm sorry, I didn't understand. I thought you meant. No, no, no, people, people are saying at him. Yeah, shoot at me. You're going to miss. You're going to, yeah, you're excellent marksman. We need you to take off just this little piece. Yeah, just a little piece of my ear. And I'm

going to be the American hero. No, but people have said this. People are saying this. No, I know. People are idiots. People are idiots. If you, if I was, if I was Trump and you came to me as my advisor and said, here's what we're going to do.

I'd be like, okay. You're off the team. You're off the team. Nobody's shooting at me. But here's what we can say. The security detail. Have you seen them get grilled in front of, yeah. The breakdown.

Yeah. The breakdown is, is horrific. Yeah. Yeah. There, there have been, have you seen some of our representatives grill, like the, the leaders of the, you know the security detail and everything about you basically you know some of these guys are a little more extreme but i forgot which representative it was the the the woman that was a head of the secret service no it was a guy who was responding to this senator congressman my god um but it was it was

almost like you wanted this to happen that was the narrative you was speaking and the guy was just like they were yelling at each other they got to a point where they were yelling at each other but um that one that you're talking about was also i mean look this was a big failure. It really made our country look bad. I mean, look bad. I've seen two presidents, sitting presidents speak before at ASU campus, because I just happened to be on campus and they were there. So when I graduated in 2009 from Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, Barack Obama actually spoke it on campus for all. They had, you know, they have the main ASU graduation and he spoke. You should have seen

the detail. It was crazy. The snipers, the, you know, the helicopters. Bill Clinton spoke for the Obama campaign, also on campus, in a main, much bigger lawn, okay, which was not at a graduation. It was just open, basically. The security is crazy.

You felt it. You felt like, keep your hands down. Don't even scratch your ear. You're going to get shot if you do anything. You felt that. So I'm just thinking, how does this get missed? It's just a question has been bothering me for a long time. How does something like this really get missed?

Especially that they people are calling in. They're reporting them. People were watching it. There's video of it now of like we see this guy. And they're telling the locals and the secret service, this is what's going on. They're like, oh, we went over there. We couldn't find anybody. What do you mean you couldn't find anybody?

But there's a guy in the thing. Other people, we think he went up here. Like, why is Trump taking the podium? You know people are telling there's a guy on the roof with a gun. He should have been, that immediately should have been pulled out. With a breakdown in communication, I don't, hmm. So that, I think, is maybe less conspiracy theory, the fact that was communication not deliberately handled in the way it should have been?

Or was it pure negligence? And it's just, yeah, it's just, they're just, you know, I, I mean, you know, I'm, I'm certainly not going to sit here and say that the, that law enforcement or the justice system is ineffective. Yeah. Um, you know, so, but yeah, I mean, I can, I can see a breakdown. Yeah, I can see them being ineffective. You know, it just seems so over.

If you listen to all the track, like I watch a video on it, which means I'm an expert. That's right. Yeah, that's right. You watch a couple TikToks. I watched a 15-minute video and everything. But there were so many different people, well, not people, but instances where there were multiple people being told, this is what's going on. And the officers are wandering around and watching and they're climbing up and falling down ladder. and this and then and yet nobody at any point said i'm thinking maybe we shouldn't let this dude

step on the podium i feel like a random fired department in a small town would have handled that situation better right i really feel like first responders it would have handled something like that better yeah it would have taken all of all if you could have delayed trump getting on there all of five minutes and let's get to the bottom of this yeah why isn't anybody on the roof yeah i still boggles my mind securing the premises it's it's a clear Had this never happened, it still would have been like, why didn't we have anybody on that roof, guys? Why didn't we secure that? You heard what she said, what the head of the Secret Service said.

What did she say? She said, it was determined that the pitch was too steep and it was be unsafe. Yet, where the snipers were was almost, it was like a 30%. The grade was probably 15% on that roof where the shooter was. But the grade was about 25%. It's a bigger gradient, yeah. Yeah, exactly, where the snipers were. So you're, what are you just, are you, are you ineffective?

Are you, are you an idiot or are you just lying to Congress? I think you're, I honestly think you're probably just an idiot, to be honest. Like, you should not have had that job. Yeah. That I think everybody could agree with. Right. That everyone could agree with that. And the fact that they don't, that they didn't have, they didn't have the budget.

They kept, you know, they don't have the, there's like, oh, well, we only had so much. We could only do so much. We could only, you know, and the connect, the, the, they didn't adequately communicate with the local law enforcement. That's right. You could have had the local, like, if you're saying, no, no, we don't want the locals to do this. We'll do this. Okay, but you don't have manpower to do it. The locals are happy to do it.

They would love to have done it. Right. I'm going to protect. I'm going to be on this. There's a presidential campaign. They didn't even ask them to. Right. Right.

They told them they didn't want them. They were saying we're going to do that. No, no, we don't want you there. You don't want our sniper guys there? Why? It's crazy. It's crazy to me. What do you think would have happened had he hit?

Like, what do you think the repercussions would have been? Oh, my God. I think that we would be looking at civil unrest. You know, we saw the march into the capital once. Right. This would be part two. By the way, the guy with the horns is from like Phoenix or, something he's like from Arizona he was locked up with Perry Rossini my buddy

Rossini was in the unit with him get out of here did he wear the horns and paint his face so he he he when he got there he said this this idiot he said he you know my buddy Pete is just like he's like this guy with the horns he said when he got there now my buddy Pete was in a unit in Coleman okay prison I was in low security prison there's three buildings three buildings 12 units well one of the units is the military unit so if you have military experience or if you've been the military that's the unit they typically send you to so you get special it's not really you get special privileges but it's quieter it's cleaner and there's fewer guys

they're all two-man cells instead of three-man cells so you get a little bit better existence right like i would have loved to have been in that unit but he said when and so most of them are older guys that have been in the military, they're more disciplined, it's much, much more quiet. So when this guy gets there, he said, these guys, you can't believe he's, they treated him like he was a celebrity. Like, they loved him. Get out of here. Pete said he had like $150,000 in a GoFundMe account for his legal fees. Do you like free money? Right now, my bookie is offering a special deal where new customers get double their first deposit. Meaning, if you deposit $1,000, they'll give you another $1,000 in free play.

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it was a massive fan base he's writing letters they have a website they post his stuff on it he had social media that these guys ran for him everything menendez brothers had chicks writing them letters and stuff too like he's so handsome we love you you're innocent and i'm like this guy's murder you're not innocent yeah you're not innocent the question is just motive you killed your parents there's no question about that, which, by the way, I do think they're going to get out in 2025. I think they will. Did you watch? I watched both.

I watched the Monsters, which was a dramatization, and then I watched the documentary, which I thought could have been done better, but was definitely better than a show called Monsters. Yeah. Which directly portrayed them as that. And I'll say this, this is why our justice system in America can really, really, really, really, really go back to the nuts and bolts of what is fair. When you have, we have a polar system, right? We have prosecutors that are hell-bent on getting a charge. We have defense lawyers are hell-bent and getting a dismissal.

The idea is both verish-vishly, what's the word? Viciously? No, there's another word that you're-a-varaciously. I don't know. They're both basically fighting tooth and nail. That's how we're going to say that. It's an adversarial system. It's an adversarial system with rules of engagement, with ethics to the T, where everyone has access to the same information.

That's the theoretical world in which cases are fought, criminal cases. And the burden is beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a high burden. The defense just has to show one thing. Something doesn't make sense. One juror is going to scratch their head. And that happened, right? But it happened the first time. It didn't happen the second time.

Oh, because the judge completely stacked the deck in the government's favor. He gutted the evidence. Let's be honest. And so, you know, I wonder what would have happened. Would it have been an absolute, you know, dismissal? Would it have been a lesser charge? Would it have been manslaughter, first degree? What we do know is that there was evidence not considered.

Now, all in all, they've done, how long have they been in prison for now? 35 years or something like that. They went in as they weren't even in their 20s, right? One guy was 18. Yeah, one guy is 19 and 21. And when it, when it happened, they were like 18 and 20 or something. Like, no, no, let's let's, let's, let's say that the, let's say that the abuse that they suffered was plausible. We don't even have to believe all of the abuse stories, even some of it.

And there was evidence of that. Yeah. Have they done their time? Yeah. They've done. Are they dangerous criminals? There's people that are willing to testify that say they are completely rehabilitated. They're running these programs in the prison system to help people.

They're changed. Let them be part of society. I don't know if I could disagree with that. Yeah. You know what's also interesting is, if you watched the documentary, you saw it, did you see the part where the district attorney said about his father? She said, we couldn't find, she's like he was clearly a deplorable human being. She said, she goes, he, we couldn't find one person to say, say he was a decent person.

Nobody he worked with, nobody he socialized with, nobody at the country club, nobody would get on the stand and say, he was a good guy. Yeah. Your, his family members wouldn't say it. That's right. I mean, so, you know, she said when, when humanity lost him, you know, they didn't lose a patriot, you know what I'm saying? They didn't lose this amazing individual, you know, and the mother, I get the mother being

kind of, is the word, caught a little bit. Yeah, well, I was going to say duplicit in, and if there was, there certainly was probably mental abuse, whether there was the physical abuse that they had said had happened in the abuse, I don't know. The maid or whatever she was, the woman that had said that Eric had come downstairs and told her what her father had done and the mother swept it on the rug. If that's true, look, even. if it's not true. It's been 35 years. Yeah. It's a long time. Yeah. It's enough already. I think that's more

than a fair sentence. I think the prosecution or excuse me, the DA's office is going to put on their show saying, we've looked at this and maybe it, maybe it is your honor time for them to come out. They were very tight-lipped about it when their public statements recently that came out. But there's going to be hearing soon. I think it's coming up in a few days. And I personally, I personally, I think the judge might say, you know what? Have a happy new year, you know, outside with some freedom now. Yeah, it wouldn't be. Look, it's 35 years, bro.

There's plenty of people that have done far worse. Yeah. That have done a lot less time. Like Jay-Z. Right. I'm kidding. Yeah. Yeah, I would be curious on your thoughts on some of that stuff.

Look, let me say this. Tony Busby. I love his music. I mean, look, you know, Tony Busby is being painted as this basically ambulance chasing, you know, just publicity stunt. Right. Okay. When we remove the fact that this is a celebrity thing and we look at the fact of something happened and somebody has filed suit and is willing to testify, literally put their life. upside down and back on the stand.

Now, it's anonymous, okay? That doesn't mean that discovery is not going to come out that tends to show who this person is and there's not things that are going to be talked about in a courtroom that are under seal because that's probably what's going to happen. My point is, somebody's making some claims and they have some factual accuracy to them.

Like, who was with Jay-Z and P. Diddy the night of these awards and took this 13-year-old, at the time who was 13, right, who's now alleged, that this person is Jay-Z is describing what happened in that room and how they were picked up by a driver

after the award ceremony saying apparently, you know the story, right? So at some point they're going to start. What is the story? Can you explain the story? Because I'm sure there's people who... Yeah, I mean, basically what's happened is, you know, this was Celebrity A and Celebrity B

were the unnamed people. There was a demand letter that Tony Busby sent and basically the guy got threatened. Tony Buzzbee later comes out, that it's Jay-Z. So the complaint that was already in existence against the Doe celebrity was amended to say it's Jay-Z. And the reason they did it that way for people who don't understand is they did try to get a settlement without having to go the distance. And it was already an active lawsuit, but it just wasn't being pursued against him. That's not uncommon. I mean, this is getting

painted as saying, well, this is weird and it's not a comment. Okay. If you think, you believe in your client was injured, whether it was through an assault or whatever, it's not an uncommon strategy, okay, point blank. Whether it's true or not, different story. So now, now we're talking about Jay-Z, so all eyes on him. The, again, at the time, 13-year-old has, is basically alleging that she wanted to get into this awards ceremony, whatever it was, it was a Grammy, whatever it was. Awards ceremony. Yeah. And she approached, you know, she approached a vehicle, and it was a driver. It was Jay-Z's driver.

And look, I'm trying to get in, and look, we can't get you in. But, Jay-Z, and I don't know if P. Diddy's name was mentioned in time, but you fit the bill of people that we may want to talk to afterwards and come to this get-together, come to this party. And she does. I don't know if she made it into the award ceremony.

But she, then the story is told. I was taken in this limo, and we went to this house, with the curved driveway in the gates and we go in and I can see all these celebrities and I get introduced to the guys, right? And here's Jay-Z and there was a woman there and I was given a drink and the drink had this in it and had this in it and this.

And the third ingredient had this bitter taste and now I'm getting woozy and now I'm passing out and I'm taken into a bedroom and absolutely Jay-Z and P. Diddy took turns doing things to me and there was a woman there. who was affiliated with these people. And if you look at who the possible women were at that time, P. Diddy was dating J-Lo or married or whatever,

and Beyonce was the wing girl, if you will, for Jay-Z. So it's one of the two of those, probably. Probably it could be rando, but likely not. So everything's described in detail, okay? Now, the problem is we are looking at this. We don't have the full story. Jay-Z has publicly addressed this calling Tony Busby a deplorable human being, right? Okay.

So his lawyer completely denies it. He's like, I'm not paying one penny. This just didn't happen. The number of times where people have said that who have actually done things. Yeah, well, and that what did he said and that law? He denied with Cassie. And settled the day, the next day. The next day and the video surfaced.

Remember that? They must have seen, well, he settled, most likely he comes out, absolutely not, bullshit. I'm not paying nothing at all. Next day he settles, probably because they said, oh, that's your, is that your take? Yeah, okay, here's a video. And he went, oh, they're going to settle this lawsuit. And then it got leaked months later. Yeah.

CNN put it out. So it didn't come out right away. That's right. They probably said, this is what we got. And he said, oh, okay, what are we looking at here? How much? And usually when that happens to, like, when you bring a case, whether it's for assault or whatever it's for, there's going to be talk leading.

up to the lawsuit, right? So they probably said there was probably demand letters written. There was phone calls. Look, we're going to bring these claims. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, bring it on. Then it was filed and the next day it was settled. Yeah. And is that a good look? No, no, it's not a good look. It's definitely not the avenue Jay Z's taken. But here's the thing I thought about this is that initially the lawsuit was filed against Diddy and these two other, like John and Jane Doe that were there. they like you said they weren't named so um when they contacted j z if diddy doesn't settle that lawsuit eventually even if j z settles it during discovery with j z his name's going to come out 100% probably his with his lawyer probably if he said look if i give these guys half a million

dollars to keep me out of it you know he still make headlines am i still going to end up in you know he probably said look yeah you could give him up half a million a million you can give five 10 million bottom line is at some point if diddy doesn't settle this lawsuit your name is going to come out then at that point he said okay then here's what we'll do we'll say it's absolutely untrue and we'll fight it tooth and nail because if i'm going to come out anyway the only reason to pay the the hush money or to pay to keep my name out of it's to keep your name out of it so what's interesting to is from an evidentiary standpoint so this is not criminal this is a civil case right so it's it's a preponderance 51 percent likelihood that it happened

right okay that's that's a it's a low bar it's scary yeah and credibility comes into play all right who was jZ moving with you know it's interesting you see all these look back videos and clips from like the rappers hanging out and like random things together all the time they're together all the time and there's these weird sort of gestures and things at the time doesn't we don't have any reason to question it today it's almost like it's that missing piece of the puzzle and you put it in and the whole picture comes together um but the question i keep out of the question i keep asking is, what evidence do they have that they can present that ties directly to him? Yeah.

Like, what do you have? Are you going to just tell the story that Jay Z's P. Diddy's buddy? Like, is that what the case is going to get, it won't never make it to a jury. Right. You got, as a plaintiff who's bringing the claims, you got to have evidence to survive what we call, what we call summary judgment, that, Your Honor, plaintiffs don't have anything, dismiss this case. Yeah.

So you can't even, they, Your Honor, they can't even prove that this girl was ever within 10 miles of this of this hotel or of either one of these individuals like that's she's got to have something where were her parents right now she says afterwards when she got out she called her parents or are her parents going to come in and say i remember the day i picked her up at this hotel correct like you somebody going to say is there is there and i forgot what year um is there phone records yeah i was going to say i forgot what year it happened but forensics possibilities were are there texts or their calls or is there remnants of anything did she keep anything from the home did you know who knows what that what the what's the lawyer's name again busby what is busby holding back

because typically you say a lot of stuff you get them inches you get everybody interested and then you wait for them to come forward and say we don't even i've never been near this woman they go okay we got four photos and you're like oh shit yeah which has got to be what happened with that video can i tell you a good one okay not to not to segue You know, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie had a nasty divorce. Yes. Guess what's happening? So two years ago, he sued her.

He sued her over their $150 million villa in Paris. Okay. He sued her because she sold $65 million her half or whatever, $67 million of it to some billionaire, Russian billionaire. And he said, we had an agreement that I had to write a first refusal on that. You can't just sell it to Schmo. So he sued her in 2022. Guess what's now coming out? What?

The reasons why she didn't sell it to him. And the reason, according to now what Angelina Jolie's, she's on the hot seat, right? She has to come up with the reason why if this agreement existed, she didn't sell it to Brad. And what's coming out now, just now, is that she didn't sell it to him because she actually offered it to Brad. But Brad stuck her with an NDA, a draconian one that said, you're not going to talk about my abuse. and the time I assaulted you and assaulted the kids, including choking them on a plane. You're not going to talk about anything.

If you do that, then I'll buy it. That's extortion. Right. In a way. Okay. It's an interesting transaction to say the least. Sign this NDA. And she said, no.

And I'm not going to sell to you. You're basically refusing it. You're asking me to, we never agreed to this. No, so I'm selling it to them. That is now coming out. And the reason I bring this up is that's how discovery works. When you make a claim to defend it, What's going to come?

You don't know the reasons. Now, Brad Pitt says, by the way, there was, she absolutely alleged there was an altercation on the plane where she was choked, she was hit, she was thrown around, one of the kids was choked, he was irate, he was screaming, he was drinking. This was investigated by the FBI. According to Brad Pitt, and they said there was nothing. I don't know what that means. I haven't read the report.

I don't know if it means, yeah, something was broken against the glass, you know, in the plane, but we didn't find injuries. I don't know what that means. she's like it absolutely happened but now he has to defend against that allegation that's how it works the analog could happen in jazy's case right right to defend he's going to have to say where he was or what he was doing i have i have an alibi this is who i was with is he going to say i i never did these parties with p ditty no because there's too many photos there's too many pictures they're always together um is is the chauffeur going to come forward and say yep i did take the

girl. I did put her here. I do remember her going in. The car. Like, you know, what, I mean, everything's going to come out. What brand of cigarettes were being smoked at the time is going to come out? Where are the phone records? Are there any emails that were sent after this with an attorney to say, look, this chick took off. We're a little bit concerned. Photographs. What's interesting about the government's case against Diddy, remember the first thing they seized. It was forensics. It was devices. They had dozens and dozens of phones and hard drives, computers, laptops. What do you think was on there?

We don't know. The public doesn't know the full picture yet. Right. Yeah, I was going to say it's like, so there's a book that came out, which is Kim Porter's memoir. Yep. I don't know if you know I've done a bunch of stuff on that. Yep.

That now here's the interesting thing about this is that the government hasn't stated that they have any videos. Like, we got all this stuff. We got videos, but they've never really stated what's on these videos. Yeah. But that book, when that book came out, prior to the book coming out, the guy that I think wrote the book, who said he got it from, the hard drive from somebody that was close friends with Kim Porter, which is, it's, it's, uh, um, Camorra Simmons. Now, I don't think that's true. But the point is, is that prior to that, he contacted this guy, Chris Todd, and told Chris Todd he had hard drives that had these tapes on it.

Chris Todd then went and shopped those tapes to try and sell them. And just after that, so then Diddy ends up, well, this is, Diddy had gotten raided. He starts shopping these tapes. Diddy gets arrested. And it comes out that these tapes are out there, floating around and there's someone out there willing to sell them to the highest bidder. Ultimately what happens is those flash drives, the guy that I think wrote the book and started

this whole bullshit thing, he says he destroyed them. That's what he ends up telling the grand jury. I destroyed him. That's after he came on my program and said he had watched them. And then I told him, look, you should hand those over. You're in possession of, you know, CP. And you could go to jail for that. And he then destroys, in the next day, he said, oh, I, well, first he said, the FBI came and took him. That's a lie. And then, because the FBI is not even involved in this case. Then he ends up telling a grand jury, I destroyed him. I knew what I found out and I realized it, I threw them away. Okay. The point is, is that while that's happening, everybody starts coming out saying that there are these tapes out there that show Diddy and

multiple celebrities engaging in, in essays. Yeah. With these, with, with these young, you know, with Beaver, Usher, and Will Smith's jaded Smith. Yeah. So, but the point is, is that that has now seeped into the social media kind of fabric, and it's become, it's become lore that it's out there and that this is true. The truth is, I think, it was all made up. It was made it by a guy who was trying to sell a book, which he did sell, made a small fortune selling it until Amazon took it down.

And it's all BS based on the fact that the government did take these devices. They do have video, but we don't know what's on the video. We don't know what's on the video. This is my point is discovery is critical. And this is a criminal case. So the public has a right to know. Now, if there's underage stuff on it, obviously there's some concerns with what's on there from the prosecutor's standpoint. If, but has the government come forward and said that?

And they haven't said that. So this is my question. Like, what is really on those tapes? DoJ, if you're watching, we want to. to know, right? Like, they're watching your show, by the way. They're keeping track of you. I'm sure. That's what this guy said. We want to know. Let's get, send us the index of what's on those files. Listen, Courtney Burgess told me, not that I think you can believe anything he says, but he says that when he went to the grand jury, they played the video of he and I's conversation.

Oh, no kidding. Is this correct? Is this correct? Yeah. Is it? Because I backed him right into a corner. Of course you did. You were paid by the DOJ, right? No, I see. That's the next thing. Cox is a plant. I saw the M3. I saw the M3. down the street that that BMW you but you you see what I'm saying like it's it's a oh no so I do believe that they're they're watching I do believe that you know literally it's funny you literally can you can see like my video came out the following day they issued the subpoena oh interesting I didn't time I didn't yeah yeah four days later they serve him the subpoena a couple two three days later he's in front of the grand jury they play my tape of him talking about watching the videos being in

possession. And when he's there, they say, where are they? Because I got him to say he still had him. He said, no, no, I got rid of him immediately. Like, I, I destroyed them. Throw them like, you know, because the truth is he can't provide them because they, they never existed to begin with. I'm not saying that there's not, that they are not currently in possession of video. Yeah. But I think by allowing this guy to be out there and do all these media programs and knowing he's lying, because his story has changed so many times, and I don't mean slightly. It's overt lies that's just one completely fabricated story after another, after another, from when he obtained them, to how many, to who gave them to him to what it was on them,

to him watching him, to him, not watching him, everything. So I'm thinking they're, it's undermining the government's case. Yeah. Because all, all Diddy's lawyer has to do is say, bring him on and say, did you have the tapes? Where are the tapes? What did you tell the grand jury? Where are the tapes? So you don't have the tapes.

Well, I think that there were no tapes. I think you're the person that got everybody believing there were tapes. And I think you didn't throw them away. I don't think they ever existed. And I think this whole thing. And the government allowed this to happen, knowing you were a liar, knowing you lied. They allowed you to continue and poison the jury pool. This isn't one, this isn't Hillsborough County where you can, you were in the local paper

and you can pick up and move it to Pasco County and nobody's heard of it before. This is hundreds of millions of views worldwide. Everybody knows this case. Yeah. So the court has a duty to provide a fear trial. Yep. And the government has a duty,

and you haven't silenced this guy yet. And that's my take. I could be wrong. I'm not a lawyer. No, it's, this is the problem, if you will, with the criminal justice system, is particularly with celebrity, like, so the question is,

do celebrities ever get a fair shake? Some could say it goes the opposite direction. And sometimes I think it does. And sometimes I think it works against you. I'm not saying that ditty's innocent. Yeah. I'm saying it has to be a level playing field for both parties. For sure.

That's the job of the court system and ethical lawyers to help enable that level playing field. But it doesn't always happen. Let's go back to the beginning. Where were you born? I was born and raised in Connecticut. Okay. Small town, Bethel, Connecticut, 800 kids in my high school. um my parents are immigrants from india right shirt off the back type of people my dad was a um a lithography

engineer right so he made the machines or serviced machines that made microchips and literally came here had a few relatives uh was married to my mom came here and built himself up right uh had five kids came here alone came came here alone married with my mom oh came here with your mom yep well you know sometimes people will come, get established, and then send forward. No, this was, this was, you know, and you'll see this a lot with, you know, the 60s and 70s immigrants that come from, you know, India, Pakistan, or a lot of Asian countries is they come married, but they're super young. Like, they have nothing.

There are no one and land of opportunity, right? And the exchange rate's good. And they want to send money back home. So they may not even be coming with the intent to stay. But my dad, you know, extremely hardworking guy, even to this day, you know, retired, he's got to be mowing lawns or sweeping or doing something. So he came for a better life for his family and to send money back home, had five kids. I'm the oldest, I'm the second oldest of five. And we grew up traditional Indian Muslim upbringing in an extremely white elitist town. And I distinctly have

memories of what it was like to be bullied as a kid. I mean, for years, I'm talking six or seven years from kindergarten through sixth seventh grade. And it was It wasn't until my older brother was like six feet tall in seventh grade that they were like, we can't dick with this guy because his older brother will beat your ass down kind of thing. And my brother is a character, and we laugh about it today. But that makes you who you are. You know, when you live as an outsider and you're forced to do that, it's not like I can say, Dad, I'm moving to L.A.

Right. It turns you into someone, right? And that part lives with you. Even today, it's with me. But I then fought to fit in. I'm like, you know, maybe I want to be more white. Right. Or sometimes people go the other way.

People go the other way. That becomes their identity. Like, I'm going to make sure I now stand out. I think that's where I am. I was that too. Yeah. But I'm talking about in kindergarten, race was a thing. Like, people knew it because you were in the upper echelons in the school.

Like my dad lived next to a guy who had a Ph.D., who was also an Indian immigrant. And to the left, an Italian. immigrant who had a huge vineyard. Like we were nestled in with a lot of people and we just stuck out, right? I mean, how many brown people were in my school to begin with period in Beville Connecticut? But that's an important start to who I was because it shaped my view of the world around me. And it taught me that, you know, race, if you let people get to you, you're going to lose no matter what you're trying to achieve in life. You have to be your own person. You have to be fearless and you have to just have a conquer mentality. And I started developing that really

really, really young. I also had the characteristic of, like, I wanted people to like me, right? And so, you know, you're every, like every normal teenager, you know, you start getting interested in girls. I'm like, well, these, all these guys, they don't even look in my direction. But then as you get older, you start growing into who you are and becoming more comfortable. And I think, so moving from Connecticut, I moved to Arizona, I was 15 or 16. I got my driver's license in Gilbert, Arizona. This is funny. Gilbert, Arizona. is known as sort of like Redneckville, that to me was diversity compared to Bethel, Connecticut,

if you want a good laugh. Literally, Gilbert, Connecticut was Cornfields when we moved there in 1996. It's diverse now. So there was a bunch of, you know, farmer, Caucasian people, and you had a bunch of Mexicans. And I'm like, dude, I can fit in, you know,

people look at me, you could be anything. We don't know what he is. But that to me was a reset button. So, you know, being a teenager and all, And I had an opportunity to leave behind all the weirdness. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun.

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And so I played guitar. I played guitar for 25 years now. I started playing in a punk band. Then people could see I could draw. They're like, oh, who's this guy? He's kind of weird. he doesn't he doesn't look like and act like everybody else so he started kind of seeing me for who i am inside and it gave me a chance to reset and so that also set a trajectory for me and

created this box in my mind that see just be you right don't worry about everybody else just do you um and that i think eventually shaped really what i ended up doing in my professional life you know so i ended up staying in in arizona um you know just because things were very very new and i saw as an opportunity to develop things there, right? So I played in bands, and I remember a distinct time where my dad's like, I turned 18 and he said, if you don't stop playing in clubs, you're never going to be a decent human being. Like, again, because I was raised a certain way, right?

And I'm like, yeah, he's kind of not wrong about that. So at any rate, I always did well academically. It wasn't like a big deal to me, you know, school was like, yeah, whatever. to undergrad, studied business. I loved entrepreneurship and loved the internet, right? Love this idea of doing business online. And then ultimately fell into law school. I have no lawyers in my family. Nobody said you should be a lawyer. I literally was going to take, you know, take the, you know, test to go into MBA programs, Thunderbird, which is one of the top NBA international MBA schools in Phoenix or was going to go to law school. And I just went 2002? Yeah, this is, this is,

2003. I finished my undergrad in 2003. And of course, some significant things happened, right? And so just from the timeline of things, after September 11th, is when I knew I had to do something related to justice

for a variety of reasons. Okay. Okay? The first reason was, you may remember the headlines that this Sikh guy who worked at a 7-11 got shot by some racist dude in Mesa, Arizona,

just because he had a turban and he had a beard like mine. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, well, you must be one of them and killed the dude, okay? I'm like, wow, that's profound. And that's happening in America. At the same time, you have Congress passing the Patriot Act.

And I did research on surveillance and government surveillance and the big brother type stuff in law school. So now you're talking about, that was late 2008. but I was always fascinated with the push and pull of how easy the governments can take away your rights and what are the rights of people.

So this is happening now at an intersection with 9-11 as well. And then you have talks of Guantanamo Bay. I'm like, you know what? Somebody really needs to kind of understand what's going on in the community, outside the community. And that too, and business was always, you know, making money and business was always a fascination. It just so happened to be a weird intersection

where e-commerce started becoming a thing and internet started becoming a thing. But I studied business undergrad anyway. So I graduated in 2003. So what were you concerned with when the Patriot Act? Do you realize that they just, they just... It was abusive. This push and pull between rights suddenly just shifted where now we can watch you for any

reason at all and we can look at all your stuff. It's immediately... 100% abusive, right? So, you know, there's always this look back after laws are passed where, you know, we see this today, right? Where something happens, there's a laws passed, people lobby for it. And then years later, you have a look back and now we really know what the Trojan horse was behind that. Now we really know what was going on.

I viewed while Patriot Act was being, you know, while it was being presented, you know, by the Senate and in Congress and whether discussions are happening, I'm like, this doesn't sound right. This doesn't sound like something for the protection of the American people. Right. There's no evidence that it was protecting the American people. It sounds like Big Brother, you know, eyes in the sky. Right. And it turns out that's what it was. It sounds like a police state.

And people were saying it even back then. This sounds like China. You're going to turn America into communist country. But again, you say national security. You get away with the law. You get a green light. You can shut down TikTok when you say national security, right? So that was happening.

I finished business school. I was working in medical industry. And I knew I wanted to go to graduate school at some point. And I just, it was a crapshoot. I took the LSAT. I studied for like a month or two out of a book. I bought online. I got in to ASU Sunday O'Connor College of Law,

which, by the way, is a top 25 program now in the country. I wouldn't get in today. And Internet's happening. Facebook's happening. And I'm like, you know, somebody needs to kind of understand the goods and bads of how the Internet works and the legalities of it. You know, what do you people are, Amazon's now becoming a thing. So I was just fascinated.

So it was a new industry. It was a new industry. It was a chance to set some footprints in the snow. So I looked at this opportunity. And I said, well, okay, I'll take my understanding of business and I'll just give it a shot. So when I graduated law school, it was the armpit of the legal market because that was the 2008, 2009 credit crash, right? Banks were closing.

Washington Mutual, I'll never forget this. In Tempe, Arizona, there were people who wanted to withdraw $5,000. They could not, they had to wait 10 days to withdraw $5,000 because they didn't have the money. Right. And so, you know banking, right? And this is what's happening. I'm graduating law school, not a good market. And I said, I'll do the smartest thing, which is I'm going to start my own law firm.

Which people, everyone told me, 10 out of 10 people said, race, go work somewhere. Go do bankruptcy work. I didn't want to do bankruptcy. I didn't want to do creditors' rights. That stuff's not going to keep me up and engaged. It's going to give me some bills to pay, you know, like I can pay my bills with that. But that's, so I'm the type of person that if I'm not passionate, I just can't do it. with the straight face. And so, you know, eventually I just opened my own firm when I got

licensed December 2010. And from day, no clients, nothing. No clients, nothing. I'd done some internships. I had, you know, worked in some clinics that, you know, I'm actually an adjunct at ASU law where we have a clinic. We teach law students how to counsel early stage companies and entrepreneurs and draft documents, right? Not read case law, but actually draft. So from that, program where I was a student, I learned how to do like two or three things. So those two or three things, that skill set that I had, that's what I took and then essentially provided services for early stage companies. And that grew from there. So I made my first year, I made the lowest job offer that I had. And that was my proof of concept. I said, look, if I can at least make close to my

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Today there's more opportunities you can drive Uber. If you really don't want to take a job of your fresh law graduate, do something, bartend, whatever, pay the bills and do. For me, it was, you know, let me just try this. So I had like little to no overhead, eventually got an office, and then I started getting these crazy weird cases. I'm being defamed. I'm on she's a homewrecker.com, right?

I don't know if you know these websites, the homewrecker websites. You like that. What was the other one? Up all night or Are You Up?com. Yeah, there's so, there's so many. There's ripoffreport.com. Right. These things started to become something.

because what people figured out is eyeballs pay on the internet. Right. Right? And so YouTube was still kind of in its infancy. YouTube started, what, 2005? Yeah, I want to say 2005 because I got caught in 2006, and it had been out a year, and I never actually been on YouTube. Yeah.

And I didn't really start. I had heard about it, but I don't think I'd ever been on it yet. So you're talking about YouTube had, was it five-year lifespan at this point, five, six years in? and this concept of people doing videos online and there's people are doing Google this is really interesting and people started saying that's when the invention of

I shouldn't say invention but for purposes of the internet say whatever you want but if it gets eyeballs you can get paid and that was driving people to say whatever they wanted about whoever whomever they wanted and as you know we have First Amendment but we also have defamation laws and

they are discrete circles if you will so that's when I started getting these sort of cases with, I've been posted on this. Well, who knows a little bit about the internet? I don't know. Call this guy. He's a new, he's a new lawyer. I have people tell me all the time. I'm not going to pay you to learn. Right. Okay. And I'm like, you're right. You're not going to you. I'm going to be the hardest working guy you know and your bills will be the cheapest bills you've ever seen. And that to me was my foot in the door, right? I had to prove myself. Right. So I got to see some crazy, crazy cases. You know, I got to do some other work that made me money and then learn

this stuff, and now I'm 15 years in. Like, what's one of the cases? Yeah, I mean, I know you can't say the name of the person. No, I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you some examples, right? So this, she's a home wrecker is a real, it might still be around, but essentially what happens in these scenarios. Now there's more websites, by the way, targeting men than women who are allegedly cheating. Right. But first, it was going after the ladies. And so I'd get a call. Rice, this is embarrassing.

What's going on? Here's a URL. There's her picture. And it's usually a salacious picture with some cover up. Right. It was a picture that was emailed. And it's now posted or text message to someone. And it's posted on this website with a description.

This woman is, you know, a ho. She's got an STD. I didn't realize she was married at the time. She's even got a kid. She told me she was just visiting out of town for a good time. She was single. We started having an affair for six months. She's a sleaze bag, you know, avoid her.

And, oh, her husband divorced her. Like, there's a whole thing. And usually it's somebody who was in a relationship with that person breaks up and posts something. It could be true. It could be true. Right. Right. This is so embarrassing.

I'm like, well, first of all, did you, was any of this true? Did you do this stuff? Because if you did, I can't say that it's not true. we may have other angles, you know, I started getting a lot of these. It was really weird, and I don't advertise. So, well, how do you get that taken down, or is that possible? So here's the other thing. Many of these sites have what I'm going to call, and it may not be in the purest criminal world,

what I'm going to call extortion. Yeah, yeah, they just want you to send me 400 bucks and I'll take it down. Hey, you know what? We don't decide who's telling the truth or not. We're just a website. But, you know, it costs money. to change stuff on our platform. So if you want this down, again, we don't care if it's true or not. It's going to be 500 bucks. Right. And so I'm like, look, their terms of service say it

right there. Right. So if you want, I can email this guy or gal. And some people felt more comfortable with having a lawyer do it. Other people, look, you can't sue those platforms because of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Same reason you can't sue Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok for other people's content. So everybody who comes to you, I want to sue this platform. Like how could, no, you can't. Somebody else posted it. Right.

So you could pursue that person. If it's bad enough, you could pursue that person. And that's where many, many people said, look, I have the resources. I want to sue my ex. I know who did this. And then we would file a lawsuit. We'd get IP addresses. We'd get an email.

People are, we're not as smart in the early stages of that in terms of mass. their footsteps to the extent they knew. We'd file a lawsuit and the names would come up. Gotcha. Right. And now you either say, okay, do you want to settle this? Do you want to go through full-scale litigation? We get settlements all the time. People like, sorry, I'll take it down. I'll publish an apology. But think about it. Having something devastating like that, even if you made a mistake, published to the world, you know, private situation, that is one of the worst things that can happen to somebody right right now if it's false it's even that much graduated into being a horrible thing even if it's true though i'm saying people mess up all the time right okay and you don't

know you don't know both sides of the story you don't know both sides of the story and we're in an environment today going into 2025 where a 30 second video can get five million views and your life could be over. A 50 second video can turn you into the Hoctoa girl. You can have your own podcast. I have a lot to say about this one. Run your own, start your own crypto. She, she, and I did a video on that too, she said when this all first started, I didn't

ask to be famous. I didn't, well, now you did. But you ran with it. You ran with it. You saw the opportunity. which I get, I understand that. Look, she'll, I don't remember. She does like some blue collar like farm type stuff.

Like I can't remember what her actual gig was. It was something, I almost want to say it was like milk in a cow. It was something very, very, she was working in a dairy farm or something like that. You know, and she's literally, that's her persona. And she was a little tipsy that day, I'm sure, when she took the interview on the street. But fine, the video goes viral. But you made the decision to go on all those podcasts. You made the decision to talk to all those people.

people who wanted sponsorships, you wanted the money, and now the hawk crypto thing, which 500 million market cap and then plummets to 60 million and then keeps going in cratered. It was a rugpole. A lot of people made poor decisions on it. A lot of people, a few people made concentrated wealth on that. Everybody else lost. And they say, well, she's not a crypto expert, but why'd you sign your name to that? Like what, you know, if you don't know. So again, she's sticking her nose in it. She's a part of it as far as I'm concerned. But this is where we are in 2025. And so I enjoy, for my internet defamation practice, I enjoy helping people who really need justice, where something false is proliferating on the internet.

In today's world, you don't have many options. And I believe in the First Amendment. I do the other side of the coin, too, where somebody's pursuing you for something that is truthful and they want it to get hidden and talked under the rug. And we defend those cases. And there's a lot of many states, most states now have what's called an anti-SLAPP statute where if the lawsuit on its face is about something truthful or opinion or satirical, right? Like your book that you're going to write about Garth Brooks. If it's on its face, not a statement of fact that's defamatory, it's false, you can get the case dismissed

and sometimes you can even get attorney's fees up front. You don't have to go a year or two years into litigation. So this is the world I live in now, and it's evolving. Every case is different. I enjoy what I do. I learn something from all my clients. 95% of my clients are entrepreneurs, right? So we do all the internet and defamation stuff, but then there's the e-commerce side of it.

There's representing creators, the intellectual property side of things. So I get to see a lot of cool stuff from a lot of interesting people. Yeah, we've been lucky so far. we've only gotten we've only had a we've only had a couple emails to take some videos down yeah and we took some videos down ourselves yeah we did take some down oh you know sometimes it's i mean sometimes you know we'll get a video and the guy you know oh this and you can tell you're you're that's not true you know what I'm saying it is not true and of course I'm like yeah bro I'm not taking the video down well and then a week later two weeks later they're like they'll come back

and be like yeah bro I'm sorry I sent that it's it's in the heat of the moment kind of thing but Speaking of demanding things to be taken down, what really bothered me recently at a celebrity level is Jay-Z sending the demand to Pierce Morgan. You remember this? I heard about this. Maybe it's been a month ago. Demanding that he take down,

it was an interview and he showed both sides. He was not, Pierce Morgan wasn't making statements about Jay-Z. People were providing opinion. Right. And the irony of irony is Pierce Morgan's show called uncensored. Right.

So everybody who watches the show knows that, okay, sometimes he personally takes positions on things, but he tries to get both sides of the story. It bothered me, because it's like, where does Jay-Z think that he gets, you know, the permission to send something like that to say, well, you're defaming me. I mean, essentially it was a cease and desist for defamation. I thought that was a lame move because you are a celebrity and you are at the pinnacle of discussions of who's next and oh look who's next right so stuff like that is a bullying tactic you're famous dude people are going to talk about you you are a a list celebrity so um i i think it was

wrong but in other circumstances it might make sense to demand somebody to take something down yeah we've got we've had a few like letters from attorneys saying you know i figure one of them was one guy was in a lawsuit with his company um like a covid testing company um and then He lost. Oh, he did. The lawsuit. He was sued and he lost and we'd done a video with him about the whole scam. And so then they come back and say, hey, by the way, this guy you had on your platform, he said all of the salacious things.

We've sued him. And he lost. He lost. Take the video down. We're going to file a lawsuit against you. You know what I'm saying? Because what he said was untrue. You put it on your platform.

platform. Now, you know, the whole thing was, is like, do you say, well, that's what he said, because I didn't say anything. He's the one who said all of this. That's, you know, and I'm just posting on my thing on my, on my channel. The problem is, is that do you want to have them file a lawsuit? Then I have to get it. Like, how much money do I want to, how much of a stand do I want to take? And do we want to have to dump $50,000 into fighting something? And in the end, we get a, the judge says, yeah, he's allowed to keep it up, and I've blown 50 grand on a lot of video. For a video, that's not really adding much value.

Yeah, and some of your listeners, you know, other content creators, have probably had the same issue. I mean, I, at a minimum, I don't know if you engage the lawyer to at least write a response, but even if you decided to take it down, I would have at least sent a smackdown letter back,

basically saying, this is why you're wrong, and if you want to chase me, I'll get your case dismissed and I'll get my fees. Nevertheless, we don't care about this enough to keep it up. All right. Um, because a lot of that does happen where you're a publisher. It's not your statement, unless you made statements. You know, if they said Matt Cox on your show, you said this, this and this.

You're a platform. Yeah. You know, you're, you're sure what I said. Yeah. But I don't think I said anything other than what was this guy gave me information. I might have been like, so what are you saying they did this or that, you know, because I don't really know. I'm just. Yeah.

I'm not sure that I said, absolutely. That's, these people are running a scam. That's, yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've always said anything. And then I've edited. I've went back and or taken down some videos that I'm like, maybe borderline

because I don't know personally like we had some videos of people just talking about their experience with Cardone and just so I was like Oh I got something to tell you

about that Yeah yeah That was the question I was gonna bring up We ch yeah We had several videos So we had several videos Yeah it got to a point

Where we started going You know how he was pushing Can I tell you something? Yeah go ahead His lawyer sent me a subpoena last week Really Why?

What's going on there? And I'm going to to be a professional about this. Okay. I'm going to resist my urge not to be because I am a lawyer and I am on a show. But if you hear me talk about this in my office, it's not going to sound the same. Right. Okay. I have done a few videos on Grant Cardone because I don't like what he does. Yeah. I don't like it from a marketing standpoint. I don't like it from a business standpoint. I don't like it from a legal standpoint.

I don't like it from a social standpoint. Because what you're doing is you are riding profits off the backs of average Jane's and Joe's. You don't appeal to large institutional investors. Maybe now you do, maybe. I've read the terms, okay? I've seen the contracts. I know. And I've heard the stories.

I have personally never invested with him. I have watched many of his videos, and just answer this question. What qualifications do you have to run a real estate fund? Right. Okay? What are your qualifications to run a real estate fund? Would you give Tony Robbins $100 million to run a real estate fund? Maybe Tony Robbins has done.

I just pulled that name out of a hat, but he's a big name. He talks. He's a motivational speaker sort of thing, and he's great. I saw him promoting, I don't know if it was, like a testosterone replacement thing. He's a spokesperson. Right. Okay. What business do you have being, from a qualification standpoint, running an investment fund?

That's the question I'm asking. It would be like, right you saying, look, my personal real estate investment has, have done real. I have 150% returns. Everybody starts sending me your money. Right. Are we okay with that as a society at large scale? Grant Cardone spends more money.

than anyone else advertising his fund. He brags about it. Now, let me get to why I got a subpoena. On my Instagram, personal Instagram page, Beard Lawyer, I have videos that I've done in collaboration with a client of mine, ballerbusters, and I'm on the legal team, right? So I review documents, I look at the stuff, and I comment. It's my opinion.

And I've said a few things about him, particularly a recent lawsuit where Beverly Gravina, she is the decedent to a man who invested with Grant lost a lot of money, and his case got dismissed because he died during the lawsuit kind of a thing. Okay. Okay, so she's... She inherited the lawsuit. Well, it got dismissed, and now she's appealing kind of a thing.

Okay. Bottom line is there's, I believe, I believe, based on what I have seen, that there are merits to her accusation of fraud, okay? Whatever the accusations were in the lawsuit? I believe there's merit to it. So I did video on that. I did a video on a few other things. Grant Cardone's lawyers think, by the way, it lawsuits pending here in Florida.

Okay. They think that I am in bed with John Ledger's lawyers or John Ledger, that I'm getting paid to do this. I'm like, are you a dumbass? There's 100 million people talking about you. Right. You pick this lawyer because you're going to bully me. that's not you pick the wrong guy dude right like i do this kind of stuff for a living i can pick your case apart pretty well i've read your pleadings so i'm not going to tell you what my letter's

going to be in response but he did issue a subpoena for all communications and this and this and they're going to get a nice professional response for me basically saying that there's nothing i have nobody's told me to do this i did it on my own volition and you want to create a conspiracy theory that like there's these micro i i don't have a huge following online okay it's getting there but But somebody paid me to talk smack about Grant. Is that what you think happened? You're an idiot. Right.

And that's the kind of letter they're going to get. But it's interesting because that's their tactic. They're bullies. They're classic bullies. Look, there are many. He's quoted as saying, well, if there's all these victims, how come, you know, this lawsuit got thrown out. I'm like, really, the SEC has told you in a letter that you don't have a basis to make the claims

of the returns you're claiming. It's in a letter that's public. record. What about that? Who's talking about that? So my point is, you could dissect some of this stuff with the scalpel when it comes to Grant Cardone. He's just very verbose. He spends a lot of money. He's a content creating machine. And a lot of people think that in, in 2024, but if you have a lot of views and you have a lot of likes, you must be saying something right. Yeah, that's absolutely like the West Watson's of the world. Untrue. Absolutely untrue. I mean, and with with Cardone, You know, it's funny because I don't know about the institutional investors, but I know

that most of it, most of the people that are investing are not institutional. Correct. And they're not savvy. Correct. Correct. So, you know, they're not, they're signing the paperwork, maybe saying, hey, I'm worth 250,000 or whatever that, that, that benchmark is to say, I'm, I know what I'm doing. Specificated, 300,000.

300,000. I'm a sophisticated, I'm worth $300,000. Well, a net worth of a million dollars. or an income of 300,000 for the last, 300,000 or more for the last tax year, three tax years, you can prove it. But that's a sophisticated, accredited investor under security and exchange rules. I would say that they're probably guys that are not sophisticated. 100%.

They're making between 50 to 150,000 a year. And they're giving, they're handing over 20 or 30,000 or 40,000 of their life savings because unfortunately, they think he's a guru. and he's a godsend to investors because he's got 4 million views on this video and they love the fact that he walked around and he threw out these numbers. I bought this property for 800,000, and two years later,

we sold it for $3.75, you know, or, you know, $3.5 million. We made a profit of this. We did it. My investors are making this kind of money. And he throws these statements out there without extreme, you know, specifics. Right. And I know because.

you know, I would, I can say the same thing. Hey, I bought this house for $80,000. And then I sold the house for $360,000. And, you know, and that sounds great. You're like, yeah, we renovated it for about 50 grand and we sold it for this much. And we, you know, and then you say that and people do the calculation. They go, wow, he made $240,000 on that, on that sale. Well, not really. I gave the guy my down pay, his down payment. I paid his closing costs. I held a second mortgage, which I forgave. I, you know, you start, blah, blah, blah, boom. We started adding it up. And I didn't make that much. I also didn't say that I also had to make X amount of mortgage payments. I had to pay this much for homeowners insurance.

I did this. Somebody fell off the roof. There was a lawsuit. You know, like, leafy pipes. There's insurance claims. The AC got sold him twice. You know, Matt, you know, you don't say that the hell that you went through to get it. So, you know, you can make those statements.

And maybe it's partially true. Maybe the numbers are there. Look, how, to me, this is unfathomable. How do you tell the working class people. with a straight face, you should not buy a home. Yeah. Instead, you should give me your money. So I can buy homes and rent them to you.

Are you an idiot? Why that, why would you, owning a home in America has produced more wealth than anything else in the history. Go look it up. That's the simple statistic. You don't need to listen to Grant Cardone about don't buy a home. It's not sexy.

It's not going to make you. I'm making all the invent. Look at me in my cullin. You know, you know, like, yeah, I'm flying a jet. I'm a big shot rich guy, but you're a big shot rich guy off of the backs of working class people. Show me average people who made 10x returns in your program. Your 10x, the Cardone capital 10X, show me that. Right.

Instead, we have a lot more people who've paid $1,000, $2,000, $3,000 a ticket to come see you speak. Right. I was going to say, what's funny is, you know, the whole concept of don't buy, home. So if you're working, so you've got two things that really irritate the living shit on me about Cardone is one is if you're working, if you're making $65,000 a year as a manager at Walmart. And that's the average income. Let's say the average household income in the United States is something like 110,000 that's both people working. Yeah. You know, maybe maybe the wife might make 40. The husband makes 65 or 70, whatever. Let's say 110. I'm

whatever it is. What is the average? 80,000. 80, damn. So the average household income is 80,000, even worse, right? So it's 80,000. Most people don't have a retirement plan. Yeah. So your retirement plan is I'm going to retire and I'm going to make $2,800 on Social Security.

So here's how the American dream works. I'm going to work that job, raise my children, pay into Social Security, and if I can pay off my house in 30 years, I have a place to live, and I'm going to barely be able to survive on social security because I don't have a house payment. That's kind of the extremely obtainable American dream. Grant Cardone is saying you're a fool if you buy a house. You just added $1,200 onto the average person who's getting a check for $26 or $2,800. People that are following that advice, you're destroying.

But then the other thing as he says Is that like if you make less than What was the statement? It's like if you make less than Was it 500,000? $400,000 a year In the United States, you're a loser. Do you ever see when he gets up on stage?

I've seen that. Just what a fucking assenai. Yeah. Like not everybody can run seminars. Like I'll tell you what I give Grant Cardone money for is if I could invest in your seminars. Right. Like that's what you're good at.

No, no, no. I hear an entertainer. You can get on stage. You can sell tickets. Same thing. Tony Robbins or any of these guys. Like, you know, lots of people are good at doing that. But if you were amazing at what you're doing, you'd be doing that and not doing your seminars.

Let me ask you a question. When's the last time you saw Michael Phelps selling swimming lessons? Yeah, never, right? The guy, and Michael Phelps is actually a great example. One of the most successful Olympic athletes who lives in Paradise Valley, Arizona. know. I bet you, if I saw him at the grocery store, if I sprained into him at Whole Foods and Scottsdale or something, and I said, Michael, you know, you're amazing. Can you give me some tips? He's just tell you. What is he going to say? Join my online program. Yeah. He's just

tell you. He's like, what are you doing right now? Hey, let's talk. What do you look like? Are you swimming? The guy, he's in the pool six, you know, five to six hours a day. He's swimming miles a day. He's crazy diet. Have you seen his physique? This guy is, is, is, he's showing the work at. He's not selling you anything. This is what he does. He's an athlete. And that goes, that's the same is true for many athletes, right? You're not going to find the Michael Jordan program for three point shooting. Why is that? Right. Some people might say, well, he doesn't need any more money. He's got Nike. Garden Cardone doesn't need any more money. He's worth a billion dollars or something. Yeah, he owns half the planet. What do you need? He's 70-something years old. Listen, he doesn't, he's 70-something

years old. And he's 70-something. I think he's less than that. He must be in his 60s. Find out. He knows if Colby has the internet. He is 66. Yeah. He looks 76, but he's 66, yeah. You're 66 years old. You could retire. Why don't you retire?

You could say, well, it's what I do. What else am I going to do? Okay, I get that. Or maybe you're not retiring because you're the linchpin in an organization that if you stopped juggling, being there to juggle the balls, the whole thing comes down. And it's really a Ponzi scheme. Could you imagine if the face of Grant Curr, it owns, uh, institutional programs change to somebody else. Oh, it draw. Yeah, of course it, it'd be,

it, it collapsed immediately. My favorite one, um, of his programs is like, you know, YouTube where he takes the live calls and people call in and he does the math. He's got the white board. And this is, this is a technique that a lot of people in this space do, who are so-called experts that are going to show you something. Caller comes in. First of all, those calls are all screened. I'm pretty sure. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, what do you, what's your question? What are you going to ask? okay one two three oh how you doing hey grant you know there's this house in tampa and i was thinking to buy it's a hundred thousand dollars okay let me give me the house okay um 20% down and yeah the thing will rent for 25 i would do that deal that's a 25% return i'm like you're monkey

a monkey could could do that yeah and the thing is i've i've flipped you know dozens of houses you know um i've committed fraud on more than that but but but i've you know legitimately like bought a house, renovated it, and sold it. And, you know, it takes a long time to go through the whole concept of whether it's going to make any money. And in the end, you make a few hundred dollars per rental unit. You know, that's on average, unless you can go in and buy things cash or something along those lines. And if he's got investors, then the investors want, like, it's, it's, it's difficult to, to be paying the kind of returns that he's saying he's paying. Yeah. It's tough. I don't know where these properties are. Yeah. Well, you know, you also

have the idea of when you have a general fund that's distributing profits, you can afford to offset the things that don't perform well. That's the whole concept of pooling an investment opportunities. You have a property, or like, let's say three properties are making 100% returns. The rest of them are making 3%. What's the blended average of that? And then you pay a portion to your investor. Right. There are a lot of programs that run like that. But, you know, it's just, it's just comical to me because this is entertainment. It's entertainment. It's entertainment, let's have more transparency of how the money's actually made. Let's have more transparency of what your returns to investors actually are. Credibility online, right, is a huge,

is a huge topic, but people use that, and they sell the sizzle really well. And again, there's something human. It's very much part of our fabric as human beings to be attracted to success. Right. Right. There's science that suggests, like, you know, I was reading this study, actually. I'm forgetting who published it, that, you know, people say, oh, you know, women just like rich guys are, women who just like rich guys are gold diggers, right? Well, the research says that women like a sense of security, protection and provider, the two piece. Be a protector, be a provider. So if you see someone, a man that is demonstrably a protector and a provider, you're going to be attracted to that.

Does that mean you love his money? No, it means you like the attribute. Some like the attribute of that guy being a protector and provider. Some just love the Rolls Royce or the big mansion or that he's going to buy me all these expensive handbags and take me to fancy dinners. That's different.

But my point is it's part of our fabric to feel that inertia of I want that protection and be a provider for my family. It's natural. People pray on that. Yeah. You know? And West Watson is a great one.

I was just going to try. He's a great one. I was going to try and lead to Westwater. He's an abusive, let's just jump right into it. He's an abusive, abusive person. Physically, he's a, I know. I know because I've talked to people who are close friends with women that he's put hands on. This is not something that's in the closet, okay?

I have a buddy who just interviewed his ex-girlfriend. So he just, he just interviewed her. And she's like, you know, saying that, you know, yeah, he's, he's. He's a maniac. He's a monster and he's, you know, extremely, you know, he's a bully, which all of which you know anyway, but. Well, he's been interviewed as saying, oh, you know, guys can't find good women because other guys have ruined it for other guys.

And because you are not treating them like real ladies. Oh, you must be speaking from personal experience, Wes, because you know deep down how you treat women. Yeah. that's the kind of human to be. Let's not even mix that up with who he is from a business standpoint. Right. It's terrible.

Well, listen, listen, real quick, real quick, sorry, and then I'll stop. But I've had multiple people contact me who have paid him. I even had one guy who got me in the phone. He's like, I am begging you to do this. And I was like, what? He said he had paid Wes, what was it, 500 bucks. I don't remember the amount, but it was like $500 to get on a, a call, 30-minute phone call with him. He said, he called me a bitch three times.

within the first five minutes hung up on me twice and then eventually just stopped returning he said so i called back he was and when i he said and then and then like the third call he did would even answer it he was but he kept my 500 bucks and that's it like he just screamed and holl he said i would do i'll pay for it if you'll get on a call with him you know just because you get on a call with him because it'd be hilarious right it would be so like funny content i said bro this guy's going to do the same thing to me he's just going to scream at you and holler at you and call you names and say you're a loser but see that's not the first time he's done that do you know how many stories there are there's video of this oh there tons of people and he takes your money i paid for 30

minutes and he said he's texting him i paid for 30 minutes yeah yeah this is a guy who's claimed oh i get up at 245 in the morning i've got my routine and you know and i sleep at 11 and you know if you want to be on my program literally programs he's advertised where you can get a one-hour zoom one-on-one with me one-hour group meeting a training I'll do your CRM, and it's only $3,000 a month. Everybody signs up, because what is he doing? He's selling the sizzle. He's standing in front of his Airbnb and his leased cars and his least woman,

which is a recent one. You know that? No, least, what do you mean? She's least? You mean like she's a- This is a chick he found on an escort website, one of them, okay? It's been verified. Right.

Okay. I'm just telling you what I saw. Yeah, he's not. I don't see anybody hanging out with him behaving the way he behaves. No, exactly. Here's my point. Even that, that example I just gave you, the Instagram picture he posted posing with her

and like the headline was something to the effect of if you don't post a picture of you and your girl, you're like a loser. Right. And then internet sleuths or internet sleuths like, oh, you mean this girl? And they pull her Eros.com profile and put it right next to her.

It's like, that's the girl. It is the girl. So, yeah. We want to talk about fakeness. Then the whole thing about prison, he was not in shoe. He was not in, and people who were in prison, like he, again, the story, I'm a guy I was in prison, a maximum security prison, people reported to me in prison. I was shot caller.

I did 10 and a half years in California State maximum security level five, you know. All of it's dog doo-doo. He was reporting to people. And he, it's just, it's wild to me. And by the way, why does that mean you're successful in business? I mean, obviously it does it. Here's what really bothers me is that, and I've met guys like this before. I actually wrote a book about a guy named Marcus Shrinker.

Marcus Shrinker was a pathological liar. You may have heard of Marcus Shrinker. In 2008, do you remember a guy took his, it was a financial advisor, had taken his plane up and flown, sorry, he was flying through Alabama. He went to Florida. He had left in Illinois, I think. Anyway, he had flown. He calls in a distress signal and says, I'm my, there's turbulence. My windshield is spider cracking. Oh, my windshield's imploded. Ah, I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding profusely. And then he hangs up the thing. And then the plane goes. What he did was he jumped out of the plane with a parachute. He was trying to fake his own death. And he was hoping his calculation said the plane was going to go out

over the bay and run out of fuel. But because he opened the door, it burned off too much fuel and it couldn't regain altitude. So he brought it down and it couldn't pull itself up. So it ran out of fuel and crashed miles, a few miles before it got to the bay in a wooded area. But the thing about about him is he lied all the time. Everything was bigger. He lied about being in the military. He flew jet fighters in the military. You were never in the military.

You were never in the Air Force. You're never, you know, he flew a wart hogs. You know, the warthogs, you know, warthogs this many missions in Afghanistan, you know, you were never in the army. You were never in the Air Force. You were in, you know, said he was in the, you know, he was in the first wave that went into Iraq,

during, you know, you were 18 or you were 19. You would have been the youngest pilot in history. Like, none of these things are true. He said all of these things about himself and really, you know, he was on the team for NASA that investigated the Challenger explosion. Oh, my God. Oh, insane. Now, here's the thing about him, and this is

what the reality is. Reality is, you were a financial advisor. You had all the licensing. You owned your own financial wealth management company. You drove nice vehicles. You had a very nice house. You have a gorgeous wife.

You have three beautiful children. You have multiple planes. You are a stunt pilot. You are a top-tier individual. Why do you have to lie? Wes, you were in prison. You did seven years. You were maybe in Arizona being housed because California housed some of their inmates in Arizona,

wherever they used house. I don't remember where. You weren't in those penitentiaries. You weren't a shot caller. you went to prison as kind of a low-level loser. You retrained yourself. You read a bunch of literature. You decided to get out and be a motivational speaker and train people and work them out.

And you thought this was something you could do. You feel like you turned your life around. And you could have run with that. And you probably would have been just successful. Let's say you were half as successful. Half is successful, but an honest individual. And right now I would be saying, listen, what an amazing guy. What an amazing turnaround.

What an amazing. I would be saying that. Instead, 90% of that influencers out there hate your guts. You're a liar. And I like to think, unfortunately, I like to think, in the end, that would catch up with him and people would just discard him. But the truth is, these guys idolize him for all the wrong reasons, and they'll probably keep idolizing him.

But you're right. You have no, there's no business acclimate. That's like guys will come to me and they'll want to pay me. I got a guy right now who's in Instagram who's asked me multiple times, like, I will pay for your advice, your business advice. First of all, I have never run a business that did not include fraud. My business, my business success has all been based on some type of a fraud. You're perfect then for these influencers.

Maybe, maybe you should be, I should be coaching West Watson. You should be coaching these guys. But guys are asking me like, I want to start a business and talk to you about it. Why? You know what? I've owned multiple mortgage companies, multiple development companies. construction companies, I've done lots of businesses.

All of them were rooted in some type of fraud. My first bit of advice to any of these guys is do not hire someone whose only business success in life has been based on fraud. That's just a bad decision. And if I was West Watson, though, I'd have these dudes lined up taking every bit of money from them. Never give them their money back.

Give them some bullshit advice. And then the moment they said, yo, bro, I did everything you said, my business failed, I'd be like, well, you just fucked up. You're just a loser. You're a loser. You didn't do it right. You didn't try hard enough.

You didn't wake up at three. You didn't yell enough. You didn't scream enough. You weren't abusive enough. You didn't work 12 hours a day. It's all your fault. Not mine. I'm keeping your money.

Because that's what he does. To add fuel to the fire if you question him, right? Oh, it's abuse. Oh, it's comical. So he's a, he's a cartoon character. He's a villain. I've said that. He's a cartoon character.

I think you watched my video on him. No, no, I don't think so. That's what I said. I said, this guy's a cartoon character. He's, we just think alike in that sense. He's, but there, Wes is one of many, right? He just has spent a lot of money to articulate a persona that seems attractive and sexy and successful and, and to a large degree with a certain demographic that works.

That's all they need. Look, Bernie Madoff did what he did because he was a charismatic guy with a good reputation. And you see this where it's like The symbiotic relationship with greed It's like Venom for the Marvel movies It's like it gets into you And you're watching it grow And it takes over you

And you can kind of pull yourself out of it But a lot of these guys They just live in the venom skin That's all they do And people see them as heroes And people have defended him And oh well Yeah he does say some great things

Everybody says some great things Yeah Yeah, listen, a broken, a broken clock is right twice a day, right? Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in a while. Right, right. Yeah, it's, that's actually a good one. I've never heard that one before. But there are things that he says that sound very sexy and sound very motivational, wonderful.

You're going to charge people three grand a month to hear that crap? Why don't you tell people how not to go to prison and do it for free for a few years? So why don't you do that and do a supplement business on the side? You know, it's just the rapid decline of our society right now related to the internet is people who have a platform who should not. And if you have a mic and you can spend some money, get some ad dollars or whatever, and just promote some amazing opportunity, people are going to listen to you. And look, this has been going on for decades. Just now there's internet and cameras. Yeah.

Thank oil salesman. That's it. I was going to say, what about just being humble and appreciative and live beneath your means until you make enough money where you can live at the level you have earned? How about that? I agree.

And the other thing that really that bothers me is, look, I represent a lot of people who are legitimate. It depletes from the legitimacy of what's going on. Right. People who are legitimately serial entrepreneurs who maybe want to charge consulting, right? Maybe high level fees, fees that I couldn't afford, right? Um, it depletes the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the guy looks like, oh, this guy looks like another one of these, but no, they're not. Some of them only speak now. They're not charging private consulting fees. Um, um, a friend of mine, uh, Michael Jordan's coach. Yeah. Okay. Tim Grover.

is he was Michael Jordan's first physical fitness rehab coach, okay? His story, you can read about him, he's got a book winning, he's got another book, Relentless. I mean, this stuff will change the way you think. It's mindset training. But people like him, everyone can learn from. If you want to know how elite performers think under time pressure and stress, he's the guy you can call to tell you. But guess what? Not average, he could do an average Joe program too, but his stuff is real. Right. He's a guy who was literally in the, in the locker room or in the hotel room

with Michael Jordan the day before they're playing the critical game against Utah Jazz. He knows what Michael ate, how he slept, what he drank, what, you know, what shots he took, how to prepare. He did the same thing with Kobe Bryant. He did the same thing with Dwayne Wade. He was doing the same thing with Connor McGregor to prepare him for his big fight that ended up not happening. My point is, these are elite level people. They are people that you could trust with, hey, I'm going to sit in your audience and listen to you on stage or give me something of nutritional value for my brain to build my business. People like that who've done those things. Not people who their whole, you know, sort of what they're known for is selling what

they're known for. It's this circular weird matrix, right? I said that the other day that the real, So this chick that did a reel, and I'm sure this, you've seen this before, where she says, you know, I'm going to tell you how to make, you know, $60,000 a month doing, you know, doing YouTube or doing, whatever, doing Instagram reels. I think I saw her ad on YouTube, right, in between. And she says, and she says, first thing you do is make a reel talking about how you make $60,000 a month on reels. That's literally what I just, it's literally, it's literally that. Rent a nice villa. Rent a, you know, then she starts talking about all the rented, rented, rented, you know, and goes through this whole thing.

And she's like, people will send you money to do, you know, it's. But it's so true. It's just fake it, fake it, fake it. It's like, okay, in the end, you're not making anything. You know, she's doing it, obviously, it's a joke. But the truth is, you're right, in the end, you're not doing anything. And honestly, if you want to get, if you want to improve your life and you want to get business advice and improve your life and improve yourself as an individual,

I can tell you how to do it for free. just go watch Jordan, not Delphor, Jordan, Peter. Peterson, yeah, go watch Jordan Peterson. He's got hundreds of hours of lectures talking about, and he takes you from someone who's just non-functional to a functional human being that can set and obtain their goals. And he does it for free. It's completely for free.

You know, does he have courses? Yeah, he has courses you can pay for. do you want to learn how to write a book? Do you want to learn how to do this? Do you want to do that? How to think, how to improve those. He has courses, but they're reasonable courses. Yeah. You know, most people like, and he starts from the very beginning, which is make your bed in the morning. Make your bed in the morning. And it's like, oh, that's so stupid. No, it's not stupid. It changes everything. It does. Clean your room. And it seems stupid. But when people do that, it suddenly, it starts changing everything. Yeah, be healthy. Sleep well.

Right. Eat correctly. Exercise. Right. Right. It's free. It's free. Yeah.

So how do you, how does the average person decipher between, you know, let's just say the good and the bad players? Yeah. How do you, how do you weed out the snake oil salesman? Here's what I would say. If somebody, let's start here, you're selling something. Somebody's selling something and you're looking at it and it sounds attractive. Ask yourself why they are selling what they're selling. question why what credential do they have what reason are they in this business for you know if

if somebody is going to teach you how to rent cars on tour right okay hey i'm i'm i'm an expert in car court let's let's find out did they run a dealership or they just some joe who woke up one day and said i can get a bunch of eyeballs on ticot videos right okay find out who found out why they are doing what they're doing. Find out what their credentials are. And then is it too good to be true? These are three simple things just as like a threshold question. You can eliminate 90% of the crap out there just with that. Just with those things. There are plenty of good coaches. They're usually not the people standing. I've literally seen these YouTube videos and TikTok videos with people with cash sitting in front of them. Yeah. Yeah. How pretentious is that?

so you can you need to stop you everybody needs to hear this if you're convincing yourself based on what you're seeing in a video there's something wrong right listen to it and say does this make sense talk to other people find out experiences look as a lawyer it's really hard to be a good lawyer it's really hard people pay you there's expectations you may have to refund and as lawyers, we can't even guarantee your result. Ethically, I can't say, Matt, come to me. I'll guarantee you get this case dismissed. It's unethical for me to do that.

Okay? We apply these rules of ethics into other professions. Those professions would fail overnight. It's a very high bar. It's already hard enough for me to be a lawyer and advise people, right? Imagine now people that have, it's free for all. Just take a money, don't perform, say whatever you want, promise results. Even with FTC rules and all these things, people are getting scammed left and right.

So I guess the tip is just pay attention. Don't jump. There's no such thing as quick results. There's no such thing. Some people are lucky. Some people are in the right time at the right place. That stuff does happen. It's serendipitous, okay?

But it's not how most people are doing it. Most people's old, good old fashioned hard work, building a network, being a good person, working hard, getting access to capital, getting access to networks. Those things are real. Right. I do keynote speaking, right, for banks. Oh, that's great. The same banks that I ripped off, the same credit unions that I ripped off, the same. So I do keynote speaking where I go in, I tell my story over the course of 45 minutes,

and then they ask, they're supposed to ask 15 minutes of questions. It ends up being 30 minutes. And then the coordinator ends up having, all right, right, we got to stop. We're going to stop because I'll just keep answering, right? Inevitably, after that's done, you're offstage. People have more questions. I'll stand in the lobby and answer. questions and what happens is several of these guys will come to me and say and it's usually the like

obviously the security people the fraud sorry the fraud departments somebody will come and say look would you be interested in and coming with and talking to us about building a system and they always want to how do we stop this how do we stop that yeah and the problem is is you know what I always do when they say hey would you be interested in coming in and being you know a consultant on this or that I I always say, look, I wouldn't. I don't know how this works. I don't know how that works. I can tell you my story.

I can tell you what the red flags are, how to stop those red flags, and the people that I, or the banks that I defrauded and the red flags that they saw that they ignored. I can tell you that. But I don't know how to build your system to stop fraud without making it so overwhelmingly difficult for you to even do loans. Because what happened, you can sometimes make it, you could do the perfect loan. but it would be extremely expensive, and you would eliminate a whole bunch of people that should get the loan. Just to eliminate one or two of some fraudsters

that in the end is going to cost you more in the end than just let them slip through and take care of it based on the, you know, raise your interest rate a little bit more, you know, whatever. Some are going to slip through. You're not going to stop them. So, you know, but the difference is, is that even me and an extremely flawed individual,

I'm not, I can say, yeah, pay me $5,000 and I'll come, pay me $20,000 and I'll advise you. I'm not going to do that. I'm like, that's not my expertise. You shouldn't be asking me that. You know, same, just like with the business, the business thing, I'm not going to talk to you about that. I'm not going to give you advice on that. I don't have, I don't have the pedigree to do it.

And it's the same thing with the, with the, hey, help us build a system to, I don't know. I know how to try and fit, how to fuck that system up and get through it. That I can tell you how I would go about doing it. I could maybe help you troubleshoot, but I can't. help you build that system. It's, and it'll be wrong for me to charge you to do that, but these guys don't have that problem. Let me, let me tell you the analog. I love that you said that. So we get, uh, most of our inquiries through our website. We'll fill out a form. I get DMs also. Um, our, our other Instagram pages get DMs. So we charge for consultations.

Yeah, for most times sometimes, once in a while, if something's a passion project, I'll talk to somebody the number of times people get upset when you say we look at the intake my office staff will review it they'll have a call with the person or we'll exchange some emails and then we have a backdoor conversation i look at the intake i talk to my office i'm like you know it's not even worth a console i really can't help this person right do i want them to pay me $200 to say that sometimes it's worth the conversation because i can at least tell them these are your Sometimes it's a scenario such that there's not even options I can give you and people get upset.

Right. Can you ask Mr. Muhammad why he didn't want to take my consultation? I can't justify taking the $300 to talk to you for 30 minutes because I already know you don't have a case. And then they'll leave me a bad review. Don't trust this guy. He wanted $10,000 for my... Had you taken the consult? the three hundred out of the consultation fee and then explained it during that you would have taken

300 bucks and he probably he probably would have been more happy probably some of those people you just can't make happy no matter what and part of it you're right and part of it is a demographic thing like so we deal with a lot of you know only fans creators have their content leaked or stolen or there's discreet IP stuff or there's revenge so we're the number of inquiries on i had a relationship with somebody and that content or salacious text message or images is now getting posted or being threatened to post an arc like that since COVID unbelievable how much this is happening now it could have been happening and we didn't know about it and people finally found like that we were writing articles and blogs about it right and people said oh there's something we can do about it but we know

like Taylor Swift right when when all of those AI images came out about her Congress was writing the next revenge statute it's been happening to average Joe's years in Janes, right? Right. When somebody important happens to you, but my point is like, we see these kinds of things and it's really the underbelly of society. Right. You know, the kinds of problems that people deal with as it relates to the internet.

You really get to learn how crazy we are as humans and the kinds of things that we do. But people need help. I mean, the reason I brought that up is because those are people who legitimately need help. And we try to figure out fees arrangements to make it work for them. what exactly for the viewer who may not know is baller busters and what do they do and also how are you affiliated with them yeah baller busters um it's interesting so i'm on the legal team you know there's it's it's a group of people very sophisticated high level people and it's funny they started by i think their first bust was these fake watch people.

Fake watch people. Oh, people making the counterfeit watches. Correct. Selling them, training them, yeah, reps.

Yeah. This sounds so much better than counterfeit. Yeah, reps. But Baller Buster started as a joke and what it turned into was getting

refunds to victims of scamps and charging nothing for it. They don't say, come to us, we'll get your refund, we'll take 10%. Nothing close.

At one point, they were getting refunds of hundreds of thousands of dollars for victims per week. Just think about that for free by educating them. This is why voices need to speak. If you were legitimately, like the guy who said, I'll pay you or whatever, just talk about, I paid Wes Watson 500, tell people how he did me dirty. More of that needs to happen. So people can understand what they're doing.

And that's where Baller Buses was born, right? And it's literally Baller Busters. It's the fake people. And their diligence team is enormous, meaning... they get the documents. They'll get the court records. They'll look at public record. They'll talk to experts.

They don't say things about people unless they can verify it to the best that they can. There's plenty of DMs from people saying, you know, I've been scanned by this guy or gal. Like, for example, I'm going to just bring it up, Andrew Tate. Many people would ask baller busters like, why don't you bust Andrew Tate? And the response is there's nothing to bust. Right. Because he does have a program where you can. join for like $49

bucks a month. It's nothing close to the West Watson's of the world. In fact, people who have joined his program say they actually learned

real tangible skills in business. Okay? Right. Now, you may not like the optics of who he is or what he stands for and the machismo

and this, that, and the other thing, that doesn't mean he's a scam. Yeah. That's his biggest problem is his,

his delivery. That's really it. The content, with the exception of one or two things that he's said that I disagree with, you know, I think most of it is, it's very much Jordan Peterson. It's make, be a man. Get up. Get up early. Work out. Make your bed. Do what you say you're going to do. Set your goals.

Work towards those goals. Like, these aren't horrible concepts. So it's interesting because, um, yes, he did run certain things like chats or video cam girls, whatever he did. Okay. Yeah. Um, he's not telling you to do that. Right. He has a history. He's done what he's done. Um, People think it's slimy, people think it's whatever. But guess what? He's not telling you to do that. He's, in fact, not even promoting that. He's not saying start your own webcam business, give me $100 a month.

He's not doing it. I've never heard him say that. Right. Yeah, he says stuff that's controversial. The guy's a character. He's created a persona. That's what a lot of people don't understand about him either. He's not like that with his friends and family members.

He's created a persona. In many respects, it's genius marketing. Right? It is controversial. Of course it is. But then there's people say, Well, he's a fraud, you know, he's trafficking women. And his criminal case is really interesting.

Okay. Has it been dropped yet? Because no, there was, I haven't seen. He was 100% guilty. He was one, everybody I talked to. Oh, he's guilty. He's trafficked women. Absolutely.

He's evil. They wouldn't have arrested him. They wouldn't have this. I love that line. They wouldn't have arrested him. Okay. Look, first of all, this is Bucharest, Romania. Yeah.

This is not exactly constitutional capital of the world. Right. Or due process rights. they have a totally different system the allegations as far as i have seen in red online and not everything is public okay i'm not seeing a lot of substance and so the latest ruling um earlier in november was from a book arrest court of appeals that the latest charges on you know assaults and trafficking that three key pieces of evidence had no basis three three key pieces of evidence had problems, and therefore the counts that were entered relating to those had to be

withdrawn. Now, the Court of Appeals gave them five days, the prosecutors, to fix or withdraw those claims. I don't know what's happened since then. It hasn't been a lot of reporting, and I tried to search it just on my way here even. There's not a lot of reporting on that. But it does tell us something about it. A court of appeals reviewed a prior ruling and said, You got problems, prosecutors.

Okay, this is not some reporter saying it. So, you know, this trial will happen if it does in April or May. When did he get arrested, June, 2023? And so far, we haven't seen anything. You know, by the way, I would encourage people to read the definition of trafficking as it's pled in the criminal complaint. You might be surprised. Anything could probably, yeah.

Just enticing a woman to come. come see you in another country, right? And then she says, oh, I, I want to leave now, hey, finish your job that you came here for. Because they crossed international lines, it has a trafficking-esque fragrance to it, right? It's like holding someone hostage. What does that mean? Are you holding me hostage? The door shut, you know, the camera's on.

Do I feel pressure? I might leave here and say, man, Matt pressured me into staying here. I feel like, you know, I was kidnapped. Right. then you know the definition of these things can be blurry so again lawyer's job is to look at it and see both sides weigh the evidence understand the evidence and um it's funny when when ultimately if they end up having a trial or dropping the whole thing and he walks out it is it's it kills me because the same people that were screaming from the mountaintops that he was um you know

Can't say racist? No? Was a, you know, the people that, the same people that were screaming from, yeah,

saying that he had assaulted, you know, these women and trafficked them. And when it all gets dropped, right, you know, instead of them saying, wow,

you know, maybe there was nothing to it or, hey, those accusations were unfounded or they'll just say nothing, or they'll just continue to say that he's just, well,

he just had a good lawyer and they didn't get him on it. And then because you want to believe this, because you, You disliked the person. So what's interesting is people are now saying, well, he's rich. You don't think in a country like Romania, he can have influence. I'm like, so your theory is that he's placed himself under house arrest and brought, he's paid, listen, he's paid the government of Romania to charge him because we know the charging documents.

That's your theory. People are crazy. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, look, I don't judge the marriage. of what somebody's doing in business based on whether I like them or not, at least on the face. Like, Wes Watson, I don't like him. But the merits of what he's doing and saying we can dissect very clearly. Same with Grand Cardone. Same with anybody. You don't have to like or hate Andrew Tate to realize whether, you know, the criminal charges being broad or bogus or not so far

that we can see. Okay. So on all these subjects that we've kind of touched on, what are your predictions, I guess, first for let's go, the United Shooter, Luigi. What do you think will happen? You know, I think with Luigi... Probation? Yeah. They're going to throw the book at him. It's premeditated.

They're going to... There's more evidence that's going to come out about his plan, about who he was. The sinister character he is. He was not just an average, nice guy who was doing the world justice by cleaning up corporate greed. That's not the story that's going to come out. That's my gut. He's going to get a life sentence. That's what I think is going to

happen. Procedures are certainly going to ask for it. The mandatory, whatever, you know, I'm pretty sure it's going to be a life sentence that you have the death penalty in New York? You know, that's a great question. And I think I know the answer to this. Do you think the social media, I mean, it's very rare that you see like support of someone like this? Like, do you think any of that stuff has any effect on what happens on any type of ruling or whatever? So I think social media absolutely plays a role in a fair trial, both ways. And you saw Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard, the defamation lawsuit after Amber Heard essentially lost,

she did prevail on some of her claims, remember. It's just on the balance of things, Johnny won more. But her lawyers and her were like, I didn't get treated well in social media. People were making fun of how I looked and how dumb I sounded. Because like, yeah, you sounded dumb. Your stories were dumb. They were not credible.

So, but can it taint the jury pool? That's the question. So it can. All of this can, right? How he looked, where he went to school, nice guy, six pack, all this stuff. And we got to handle corporate grade. It can't because remember, you know, juries get selected and you can't strike every juror you don't like. Right.

Yeah, you can go, yeah, I was going to say. So basically, it's, I always think of it like this is I remember being in getting in an elevator. one time. This was when Bush and Gore were running against each other for president. I stood in there, and these two women were in the elevator, and one woman said, who are you voting for? And she goes,

oh, no, it was Clinton. It was Clinton. She said, who, I'm voting. She goes, oh, I'm voting for Clinton. She goes, and she was, really, why? She's way better looking than Bush. And then I thought, what an idiot. But then I thought, But for every one of her, there's somebody who's voting for him for another stupid reason.

Yep. So, you know, you're right. It's back and forth. It's back and forth. I mean, if juries can be, and of course, juries are given instructions during trials. Can't watch social media. Don't talk with anybody about how many of them are listening. They get in their car and be like, let me just see what the headlines say about the case.

This is probably the biggest thing to ever happen to them in their entire life. 100% it is. And people want to talk to them. And it's like the second the case ends, they've got all these interviews. And then members of the jury, like, start blogs. And so bottom line, it absolutely can. And it's very, very hard for judges to manage that. It's very hard.

What do you think will happen with this recent JZ lawsuit? You know, I have mixed feelings about this one. I feel like Tony Busby either should have more than he's told us about or he knows there's something out there that he can get his. hands on. Right. I don't think he would file such a lawsuit without some discrete plan on how he's going to prove his claims. The other side of it makes me wonder, since we all saw P. Diddy settle the next day after a lawsuit? Is that how he thought this would play out? But you got to ask yourself, Tony, if you thought that was going to happen, you needed to have a master plan if he would have

flipped and done the opposite thing too, which, and now Jay-Z is clearly denying anything. So, so I think it's hard to predict because my predictions are based on evidence and what can and should come up. You don't really know everything, yeah. I don't know. Now that Jay-Z has come out and said, I'm not giving you a penny, I don't think he's going to backtrack. Right. I don't think he's going to, you're going to find a quiet settlement because Jay-Z is Jay-Z. Right. He's got to live with that for the rest of his life. If what he could have done was settled it and tried to keep it confidential and just said, look, I have kids.

I have a 13-year-old daughter. I don't want my family getting dragged into this. That's why I settled. And nobody would have found out most likely. Right. Right. Meaning found out the substance of what happened. Here you have them.

I mean, they still would have found out because Diddy has to, it's a part of the same wall. You're right. From the standpoint of he may be still called to testify. He may be. And then, by the way, P. Diddy's civil. defense, he has the ability to shift fault and blame. So if there was two assailants and somebody's looking for damages resulting from one act, he could literally as part of his, you know,

defense throw Jay-Z or anyone else under the bus. The likelihood of him doing that, though, the consequences are too severe, I think. I don't think Diddy would turn on Jay-Z or vice versa. I don't think that's a scenario. It depends on what Diddy has on Jay-Z. Like, you know what saying like if he goes forward and says look i'll settle because i was there and i'll be a witness against what did he did yeah but i didn't do any of these things so but you know but if he does that then does in other cases does did he turn find daddy realizes this immediately of course and you know did he may then say you know what i wasn't going to say anything before but you've done this and this and who knows who knows how much dirt these guys have on each other no see and this is the thing

the discovery will be very interesting who's called to testify what they saw what they know and who turns on the other person you know i had a story one time i wrote right and while i'm interviewing this guy he's talking about a cop that he was there was a cop that was head of a task force that was setting up drug dealers for this guy and his brother to rob and when i'm interviewing the guy the brother i'm like okay i'm like he's like well he ended up getting getting arrested now my guy was still free but the main cop got arrested the cop that was running the task force because he got arrested because we was working with somebody else and they were he was moving he was taking like his he was driving delivering drugs to miami knowing if i got pulled over i can say boom i'm a sergeant

or a lieutenant in the head of the such and such drug task force he's they're not going to search me when he ends up somebody else gets busted and tells the police and the feds bust him and i was like damn i was like were you worried that he was going to because he starts yeah cooperating And I said, were you worried that he was going to cooperate against you? And he goes, nah, he said, he had me kill somebody one time. He said, so I knew he was never going to mention my name. And I was like, oh, shit. So that's the kind of thing.

Do you see what I'm saying? Listen, this is high-level stuff. There's talks about, you know, like who killed Tupac, who killed Biggie. I'm not saying that's what it is. No, no, no, but I'm just saying. People have dirt on each other. People have dirt on each other. You're running in these circles.

They're super rich, elitist type of people. And this case will turn on who's going to turn on someone. Let me make that as a prediction. If there's witnesses that say, look, I was on this side, but I'm actually going to squeal and rat out this guy, there's any witness protection in an island somewhere where you can live the rest of your life in peace, but that's a possibility.

Well, I mean, listen, and you think that in the, in the hip hop community people wouldn't do that but i don't know about you i a t i still producing music right yeah yeah i'm saying like these guys do it and and they come out they say yeah i did it fuck that fuck that and boom they start making the music again and they lose half their base and they get another half their base and they continue making millions of dollars and before you know it nobody gives a shit yeah you're right so you're right i'm gonna lump all these into one and you can just choose what you think um so we got hawk toa crypto c scam, the Wes Watson, the Cardones of the world, these type of social influencers.

Is there anything that you think will happen to these guys legally? Yeah, Hawk to a, like, so here's a thing. Is Hawk to a girl going to jail? Right. That's the thing. You know, what's interesting about that is I do think that the SEC needs to make an example and the DOJ should make an example of someone with these coins. It's just rampant and it's crazy.

The question is, is she the one? Right. How are they going to prove what she knew and she didn't know? Are they going to make an example? Because look, it's going to be text. I mean, what about, real quick, what about Logan Paul? Yeah. And the crypto zoo call you or whatever to hell that?

How did he not get? Did you see the text? Yeah. How did he not end up getting indicted? This is why I think there needs to be an example made. It's such a free-for-all. And people say, well, investors are stupid. you're investigating and you're investing in dodo coin and steal it doesn't matter bingo bingo

so you're telling me that if i go out and i steal from stupid people it's okay it's okay no they should be stupid people it's like old people you know old people vulnerable victims are supposed to be protected i know because i got an enhancement for vulnerable victims you know it's funny the the SEC rules for who's a sophisticated investor and who's not were designed to protect non-sophisticated investors. That's the whole premise of these rules. So I think it needs to be investigated. I think whether she goes to jail or not,

I think there needs to be a serious investigation. It's just too rampant. It's too rampant. Too many people are getting away with it. So, yeah. And then these, I would say, social media entrepreneurs that have, maybe not, I don't, I don't know. I feel like most of it's unethical.

Yeah. Like, do you think any of it is criminal? You don't have to say specifics or whatever you think. I think a lot of it is criminal, but it gets written off as being civil, that, oh, it's just a contract dispute and you know, you didn't get a refund and this and this. The reality is that it rises to, when enough people get duped, enough people in a significant dollar amount, it is, it should be criminal. And it is criminal, right? We have statutes where things are civil until it hits a threshold and then it's criminal. there's too many of the lifestyle fakers there's too many i get dms about these guys all the time this

guy lost this i was going to get an automated amazon store i was going to automated this thing all i had to do with this and again maybe you and i wouldn't invest in that maybe we don't need to and we never would but there are people who see the upside and they believe what people tell them right and they see a lifestyle somebody needs to go to jail and by the way people have the the Federal Trade Commission has, you know, the DOJs their enforcement arm. So we have the FTC Act. We have Section 5, the deceptive practices, for this reason, right, to attach civil and criminal penalties.

And I think we need to exercise those things on all these guys. So will enforcement actions increase? I think they will. I think they will. I think especially with coins, but even with coaching programs, the FTC said all kinds of things about these coaching programs. It's just nobody's getting sort of nailed to the cross, if you will, yet, as big as it should be. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching the video.

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