Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Life as a Career Criminal: Outlaw Biker’s Crazy Stories

Episode Date: January 5, 2025

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On July 18th, get excited. This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only dinner's July 18th.

We went to Guatemala with almost $2 million on the boat. We took about $400,000 cash off the boat and brought it back. I'm looking at it. It's got to be a typo, 22,000 kilos. So I'm reading the indictment. So it was $45.5 million. And I remember when I heard the story, not that this is the most ridiculous story. And I thought, man, that's, that's, you know, this is, it's, come on, stop it, Ro.

And there's the report on the three guys that approach him that he gets into a fight with. And there's a, attached to it is a transcript. And so they pull the pilot and the co-pilot out, you know, the plane, they're standing there. They're like, okay, you guys didn't pay. and they execute them. Well, Doug just happened to be taking a piss in the jungle. So he then takes off.

He flies in there on his private plane, convinced his Castro or let these guys go. They load them all up. This guy is about 6 foot freaking 11. He carries a 44 magnum. You know, you walk by there about 3 in the morning and when they're in their rims sleep. Hold your nuts and you walk up in there

and you try to get the motorcycle. Bangs on the door butt naked and I ripped by about 70 miles an hour and Pat's jaw, you know, he's like, Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Michael Hudson, Michael Martini Hudson actually. No, don't say Michael Martini.

I'll start over. Martine. Martine? Yeah, on the driver's license, it says Martin because they made a mistake, but it's M-A-R-T-E-I-N-E. That's actual. So just say Michael Martin Hudson.

Okay. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Michael Martin Hudson. And I wrote a story about Mike called Devils of Contraband, which he never really liked the title of. But it's about basically he's essentially a part of the genre that is what's known as cocaine cowboys. He was active in, well, he was a part. part of the dirty dozen and then he ends up moving into the in the smuggling operations in Miami back in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and we'll get into that. And so it's going to be a really interesting story. So check it out. You know, I want to like I typically start most stories, I

obviously start, you know, with something interesting. And then I jump back to the origins of like where the person was raised, that sort of thing. So, and you were raised in, in Arizona. But your mom, but the way it happened was your mom was basically just a maniac teenager, right? She got married young, had two boys, you and your brother. And she ended up getting caught smuggling marijuana from Mexico into the United States. Correct. Right? And that's kind of like, to me, that's where the story kind of begins because it immediately starts off with smuggling.

It ends with smuggling. it starts with your mom it ends with your mom because you know out of all the cocaine cowboy stories that are out there there's just not many there's almost no stories where there's basically a woman is running the entire operation and that's your mom but so can we can we start with you know like you and your brother were born in arizona and that's the question prescott Arizona right uh 1954 uh i was born in 54 my kid brother uh um 57 and we're about 18 months apart right and um what happened with uh your dad was he around or mother uh my mother left him right and um took me and my kid brother and essentially uh my grandmother was very wealthy she married a wealthy minor

she left my real grandfather married a wealthy minor in Arizona he died and and grandma got to mine so mom pretty much she wasn't so much of a maniac it was just the uh the the uh product of you know of 60s 70 the 50s because they you know they weren't hippies then it was uh essentially beatniks that was that that era started and she took me and my kid brother with her girlfriend terry and her Corbett and drove to Big Sur. And we lived there for a while. I have memories of that when I was really young. And I've been really young, like three, four.

And then she came back to Arizona. And we ended up getting taken care of by my Aunt Carol Jean, Grandma Dickie. We called her Grandma Dickie because Ernie Dickie, Ernest I. Dickie was the CEO of the Cypress Bruce Copper Mine. Grandma married him, left my real grandfather. as I previously said and uh you know she left grandpa took my my mom and my aunt Carol Jean with her and you know well your mom started smuggling like there was years later right but the first

she tried to run a couple of keys across the border and no gals that was a that was a few years later but she uh you know uh you know the pills whatever you know and and the marijuana back then in the 50s and the 60s so probably the late early 60s and then she got busted coming through no galas and my grandma had to go down there and with Barry Goldwater he had some connections and he very goldwater was a very close friend of Ernie's right he built the house uh and del Webb Del Webb built the flamingo for Bugsy Siegel he was the contractor to build Sun City in Phoenix he built the house in Baghdad up there in the northwestern Arizona where grandma did um lived with my mom and my aunt carol jean right after ernie died so you know she was she

was uh my mother was they were pretty uh and more more so my mom was pretty rebellious you know and uh just so she got but she got arrested she got arrested they got her back in the united States and uh uh my grandmother said i'm taking mike and dug away from you and uh here's the rest of your inheritance and go where you're going to go when you get there give me call right and that was it mom went to miami right so what's you do in miami i mean she just she moved a miami was really the it was really the the the uh the mecca you know as compared to big sir and that those places in california she came to miami it was popular and there's a lot going on down there then and mom moved down there

and with her and her girlfriend terry came down there and she lived there for and that this is by this time it's what the 60s yeah and uh you know mid 60s late 60s and um my grandmother uh put us in military school in the early 60s and uh and then um we did a year in sandy Diego at the Southern California Military Academy and me and my kid brother, then we came back to Phoenix and she farms, she, I was in a wreck with her when I was three years old and she was your grandmother. My grandmother, she was crippled for life. She owned most of the town of Baghdad and a portion of, uh, she had a farmer's market, you know, more or less in Prescott. And on the way there that evening, she had a load of strawberries and she hit a cow at 120 miles an hour. And it crippled

her for life and threw me through the windshield. So, She, after that, after she recovered, she didn't expect her to live. After she recovered, she essentially sold off most of her interests in the mine and moved down to Phoenix and bought a palatial home down there and a large piece of property. And we went to military school from there. My mom was leaving us all over the United States with different friends. And we wound up being farmed out to the Mormon church. The bishop of the Mormon church lived next door.

They got close to Grandma, got her to build a wing on their 16th Ward in North Phoenix at the Church of the Latter-day Saints. And the bishop coerced my grandmother into having us adopted through the Mormon Church to a family there, and we lived with them for nine years. until mom by this time mom had lived in Miami all this time and she decided to come back she was a little more fluent by this time and she decided to come back and look for her sons

well I mean at this point your mom when she went to Miami but like that's where all the drugs were coming in at this place there's no DEA at that point there was no DEA Miami wasn't really prevalent for the drugs then the drugs were coming out of the marijuana was coming out of Mexico. The drugs weren't coming out of Columbia until the early,

in early, middle, late 70s. The Carrillo, I believe, the Lord of the Skies, they were running the marijuana out of Mexico and flying it in. Okay. See? And it was all different then than the Neanderthal format that the Mexicans use now with the tunnels, digging the tunnel.

right see and all that jazz they were actually flying it in so the marijuana didn't the Colombian marijuana was a much higher grade than the Mexican marijuana most of them they had you had good Mexican pot but um mom didn't get into that until the mid-70s she flew us back there to Miami she had a a sugar daddy there if you want to call it you know essentially a guy that took care of her who was vice president of Lawboy Lawmore Corporation so she by this time she's pretty fluent and she came back in 73 and got me and Doug and flew us into Miami because she came back went to the step-parents house and says I'm looking for my sons and the stepmother goes oh well they're

living down there by their by their old high school they've got a and they're they're running amok but we were doing burglaries and trade and everything for the burglaries for heroin and then you know and then slinging the heroin on the street just like how you grow up right um yeah um The detectives were looking for us hard. In fact, the night that mom and Aunt Carol Jean came and found us, well, actually, it was my uncle Jimmy. He came and found us and said, your mom's out here from Miami. She's staying out at our ranch. My aunt Carol Jean took her part of the inheritance and built a 30-acre ranch way out in the middle of nowhere off of Beardsley Avenue in a way.

It's all developed now. Those areas were essentially pristine when we grew up in, to grow up in Arizona in the 50s and the 60s was idyllic. Right. So the step parents, and we had four uncles, we, I essentially hunted and fished every square inch of Arizona hundreds of times growing up with them, learned the use of weapons. It was a Boy Scout and had a, there was a marksman with a Boy Scout with all the medals, you know, for the sharpshooting and all that jazz. And we hunted winter and summer and fished winter and summer. So all that, that kind of a lifestyle was a Boy Scout.

Like I said, my stepdad was the, he was the scoutmaster. So that's how we learned, you know, weapons. Basically, you grow up with that and he became really adept with firearms. So, all right, so your mom shows up. She takes you back to Miami, right? And you go back to Miami and, I mean, what, what happened? She put you back in high school. No, you guys are going to be accountants and lawyers.

No, school was out of the good picture. We were already, I was already a dropout, long hair, my kid brother, long hair, and we are already into drugs pretty much. And mom introduced us to an underworld that we had never, it could have possible be envisioned. These were, mom knew, some of the most famous, you know. Like the Dixie Mafia, right? Rick Cabrero and his crew. And these are the guys.

And Ricky and all friends or close friends are hers. We had next door neighbors that were very dear to me. there and there i'm not going to mention any names but they were a lot of us fell into the uh the marijuana smuggling flying it in from columbia but mom didn't get into that till me and dug kind of i was more less turned off my in miami because i really wanted to ride a harley i was still young i was 17 years old so i went back to phoenix and my kid brother went first and we fell off into the same thing the same lifestyle that you know that we were that we had were uh you know involved in when mom and my and my aunt came and grabbed us and you know and mom took us back to miami

burglaries but this time my kid brother fell for a burglary i fell for one and uh my kid brother flew back to miami and i stayed in phoenix so right mom didn't really get into the smuggling until around 74 75 somewhere around in there mom you know negotiated in bogot with an individual, and she was able to mortgage out the house and get a boat and then, you know, and then bring in her first few loads. So, but I was, by this time, I was already in the state of penitentiary in Arizona. Right. I bought my first Harley with the, you know, smuggling heroin out of Mexico.

What were you in the, and what did you go to the state for? Burglaries. Okay. Yeah. How much times you do? Did a couple of years. Had a couple of five years sentences run concurrent. did a couple of years

and you know the got ran prospect for the high wall jammers my kid brother

was a captain in the Aryan brotherhood when he was he said everybody knew who the high wall jammers were and we had a race war with the

with the with the blacks and the Mexican mafia had our backs and we essentially took over to compound at the time and

they put us that were involved in that riot in 19th 75 put us on death road because it had no where else to keep us. And that's where we were on orders from the president of the, of the, they were sanctioned by the area of brotherhood out of California.

The high wall jammers became area A, B. And, but we were still high wall jammers during that time in 75 under underground lockdown. And I was, I had to electrocute an individual, set one on fire. We blew one up with the bomb. three different individuals and I was the youngest high wall jammer so they split us up and I got a half

because I only had five years so I did two years on the sentence and I was essentially done. They grabbed me first and then they shot me to a halfway house in Phoenix and my kid brother wrote his Harley with a friend of his up to New York and then he wrote all the way out

from the sent me a letter from the Waldorf Astoria on Waldorf Astoria Station area and then he wrote out to meet me in the hat when i got to got to the halfway house in phoenix he convinced you to go back to miami no no no no i uh i stayed in phoenix i uh he was by this time him and mom were bringing in a few loads they were making a lot more money than they had you know then then you know initially they had been made well she did a million on those first few lows but she turned around and uh and her and dug were already bringing in they and she had bought a shrimp her

a couple of shrimpers and they were running them down into Cardahan and Barrenquia. And Doug's, Doug's captain in the boat and then taking the boat down there and back. And I stayed in Arizona

and rode. My question is that you're in Arizona and your mom brings in the first load and she arranges it with some guys from Atlanta,

right? How does that first transaction go? Well, her friend had set up the indict, the, stop, start over. Set up the deal. Yeah. A good friend of hers who met these guys while he was in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta. Right. And so he hooks mom up with these rednecks out of Atlanta and out of Georgia.

and they come down to buy the load and she they were in they were in one motel room at the old days in on Collins down in south of Miami so she

she see they get a sample her friend gives them a sample of the of the pot yeah of the the Colombian gold back then and then she gets a

she gets a call from her friend and he and he tells he tells mom and I'm relating the story that she told me yeah and and parts of it my kid brother told me so he says yeah they want another sample of it so they moved to another motel room so you know they're ready to you know conduct business and so what do you want to do so he says okay so she loads it up in two bands a couple thousand each van and goes down a couple thousand pounds each van and drives down there and they and they leave she leaves my kid brother down in the parking lot if i'm not back back here in a certain amount of time you'll

here's you know who to call in columbia and then uh she goes upstairs and walks up you know walks up there all by herself and uh they had moved to another to another suite so she's a little apprehensive and she's getting you know she's being as smart as she was just the the the alarm bells are going on and she walks in the guy answers the door and you know rat you know kind of raggedy looking rednecks from you know I imagine they were moving quite a bit of pot up there but bottom line is they answer the door and she she goes in and there's four or five them around a table I think and the the guy that was running everything he's sitting there and she tosses him she got her she's got her uh she always carried

a person that slung over his shoulder about waist height so she hands him the sample and he starts smoking and then he got telling stories and you know one thing leaves another and she's there all by herself and they're kind of oogling her because she's you know she's extremely beautiful you know and so they're you know they're talking and kind of you know drinking beer and everything and then he says it's not like the last sample that he had gotten and and he's having a hard time getting high and she's been leaning against the kitchen counter for a better part of half an hour you know, and that's it. So she, he says, I'm, you know, I think I'm, I know, it's not like the other stuff. I'm like really feeling like I, you know, like I did the other sample you brought. I'm not

really getting that getting high and just kind of thinking that they can just, you know, kind of handle her because she's a woman right but it's the only shit she has it's the same stuff it's the same stuff so she just unzips the purse pulls out her her uh hammerless uh police snub nose uh uh 38 special and two quick steps and leans across the table and sticks the pistol in his ear and and you you know you know what it says and like in in devils uh you better start getting high you motherless cocksucker or I'm going to splatter your brains all over your ugly redneck partner's lap right you know so and that's it and uh he starts he freaks out and uh you know you could hurt a pin drop and he started screaming pay her pay her and uh there you go she walked

out of there with the cash and and uh how much do you remember how much um two million or whatever four thousand pounds something like that i guess and that's it she paid off the mortgage on that she'd taken out the house for the boat the loan shark and all that kind of stuff and walked out and uh you know um nice look and uh yeah yeah i grabbed my kid brother and they were gone and and and told him they out the keys there they're down the keys are under the front seat and it's in the parking lot in the day's in down there and you know my kid brother had walked you know he had gotten a little worry he's down there he's young he's he's he's he's he's He's all by himself.

So, you know, you're doing something like this. You don't know. Right. Maybe they're waiting for you to pull in, figure, you know, and then they're going to go, oh, it must be, and they might rob him. Right. So he's so.

Holly Ball's a situation in back in them days. And that kind of stuff, you know, like walking into a hotel room and, you know, doing a deal for a few keys. And you don't know if they're cops. Right. Or, you know, if it's a rip-off. And everybody's, Everybody's strapped, so I stayed in Arizona and rode, built a show-winning Harley.

I had a cousin that owned a bike shop, well-known custom bike shop called Cosmic Joppers, Keith Warlock, and we built my second Harley, another Panhead, and we won a big show out there. And I rode that for like a year and a year and a half, and then we built another one. I wrecked that and got the insurance money, and we built another one. Actually, I bought it from the mechanic, a shovelhead. and I rode that and then that's the bike and we won another show on that bike

of the same you know a big show out there in Phoenix at the veterans from or a coliseum and then the dirty dozen by that by that time knew who I the dirty dozen by that time knew who I was and they approached me and wanted me to run a prospect for the club and I eventually on that

on that on that shovelhead I rode prospect for the dirty dozen for the Phoenix chapter and got my patch about 1970 1974 right or excuse me in 1977

76 late 76 early set got my patch for the Phoenix chapter well I mean so writing prospect for the dirty dozen isn't exactly a W2 job

what were you doing for a living it's not it's not I knew a hell's angel that never rode prospect for the dirty dozen that never made it out of a but I'm saying

what were you doing for a living though because I know I was number one Harley Davis a motorcycle thief for for almost five six years in in phoenix chased by two top detectives for for almost six and a half seven years right what were their names because i never i know uh there was john giordano and jack hackworth they were the heads of the uh motorcycle uh theft division of the grand theft auto uh s i sidel special

investigation department or SID or SIS special investigations for they got me one time and they let me go they wanted me to do to cooperate so I said yeah sure you know and I got out then I never and they said we want to hear from you by Monday well I think it was a Friday evening and I went and stole three Harleys up I 10 there and Phoenix and they never saw me again they put out a warrant for my arrest because they floated the the uh the they couldn't get the individual who was motorcycle I had allegedly stolen to come back from he was a guy from Alaska they couldn't get him to come back and testify so they had to drop the job well I the judge gave me a probationary term for a few months and erasini in the 1990s was a 20-something year old Los Angeles based drug trafficker

of ecstasy and ice he and his associates drove luxury European supercars lived in Beverly Hills penthouses and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the organized crime drug enforcement task force entered the picture. Dirty agents, willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement,

or murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debriefers Rassini at Leavenworth Penitentiary, and another story emerged. A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth.

And Robert Miller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible. Tell me the story about, I mean, I know there's a bunch of stories, but tell me the story about stealing the guys Harley twice. I had a friend who was a junkie named Pat Grafe. Pat essentially told me one day, I would give him 50 bucks on any Harley I would grab that he would bind. So Pat says, man, there's a guy out there in Paradise Valley that's got a bike and he leaves it out in his backyard in front of his tool shed.

But he's got a Great Dane. And the Great Dane sleeps in the tool shed. and he just parks it right there on the on a concrete slab in front of the tool shed I said okay so we drove out there and looked at it and it was a real nice shovel kind of customized so I went back there in the and this is the wintertime in Phoenix it gets down to freezing I went out there and took the he took the the Great Dane in the house and it was so cold and I went in the backyard and I took the bike it took me a while like It got stuck trying to bring the bite between the shed and the fence that ran adjacent to the street there.

It was about a four foot, a three and a half, four feet width, and I miscalculated. And once I got between the shed and the chain link fence, I realized that I'd had enough room to get it out of there. It took me at least 45 minutes to back the truck out. Or excuse me, we'll have to back the, I'm thinking in terms of trucking, to get the motorcycle between the shed and the chain fence to get it into his backyard and roll it out to the alley and then down the street and into another alley and hotwire it. The bike wouldn't start. I had to kick it over.

Most of those motorcycles that I was stealing back then, a lot of them were electric start, but this one was a kick. And I couldn't get to start. But to back up, when Pat and I came out and looked at the bike, he says, by the way, I saw the bike where it was parked, it was daytime. He goes, this guy is about six foot freaking 11. six foot 10 he carries a 44 magnum and i just kind of and pat's pat was a skinny little guy you know he had a harley too and he says uh he says he says he says you think you can he says i don't know i says i never i can't imagine how you're going to get that bike that he keeps the dog

in the shed well he took the dog in that night i you know you walk by there about three in the morning when when they're in their rims sleep toss a pebble at the shed no dog comes out you turn around you weigh a little bit and you go back and you you know you hold your hold your nuts and you walk up in there and you try to get the motorcycle without getting blown away so i got that bike took it to a buddy of mine so you did get it started though oh yeah i had to hot wire i had to go to a pop the hood on a guy's uh uh um a car that was parked over there at another house along the side i had to pop the hood you could tell the car wasn't a running running like an old Chevy and take the wire from the solenoid going to the battery.

And about four feet long and run that from the battery to the solenoid on the motorcycle. And she finally started. I had overloaded the carburet. I flooded it. But when it ran, it ran like a raped ape. And I took off and took it up to a buddy of mine named Dave, who was fencing on most of the motorcycles for me. Unbeknownst to me, Dave was under surveillance by the Phoenix Police Department, the same two detectives. who we're already looking for you? They were looking for it. Now, they had no idea who I was.

They were looking for Dave. They found Dave and I went back to get paid for the bike. I called him and he, for my cousin's bike shop. You just come by tomorrow morning. I'll have your money. As I rolled, I had an old Polaris, 64, a Dodge Polaro. And I rolled through there coming by Dave's house and looked. And I saw about six or seven Phoenix Police cruisers, a couple of unmarked detective

cruisers and a couple of tow trucks about 20 bikes out in the front yard and Dave and his girlfriend were cuffed so I lost the bike I kept going so my buddy I tell my buddy Patty thinks I'm lying to him I says no man my guy

got busted so about four or five days later I get a call my cousin's bike shop my cousin Keith he had a pay phone inside the bike shop he says you got that's

that guy Pat is on the phone and I walked to I said yeah he goes this guy got another motorcycle. I said, what guy? He's the guy that he stole the one from last week. He's got a brand new 80-inch lowrider, a black one. So you got the insurance money. So I rolled up there.

We took Pat's little Nova and drove over there. And the motorcycles are, we pull up to a dairy queen right across the street. And I was the guy lived on a corner. And I looked over there in the residential neighborhood. I looked over there and I saw two motorcycles in the driveway. or actually on the front lawn and me and Pat were sitting there and I got

a chilly dog I'll never forget and a tasty freeze. It was a tasty freeze or I think it was a tasty freeze and I'm sitting there watching it. We smoked a joint Pat's looking over there and these guys came outside and were walking around. The guys knew his biker buddy. His biker buddy was almost as tall

as he was. You know so I'm watching him and Pat's looking over at me and going man He says, you'll never, never get a brand new 80-inch lowrider. They had just come out. So it's broad daylight. They went back in the house. Then the one individual, his buddy came out, they stood there and talked. He fired up his bike and left.

The individual that owned the, you know, that owned the motorcycle that I had taken one previously about four days before, he went back in the house. Front doors open. I looked over at Pat and I go, watch this action. Pat's jaw dropped. And I walked across the street up to the corner and just walked right up on the grass to the motorcycle. I can see the guy's feet up in the ottoman watching Beverly Hillbillies or it's a big valley or something like that. I walked up to the bike and very carefully and quietly picked up the kickstand because they make a noise.

If you don't know how to pull it, it's spring loaded. Pulled it up a lot, you know, put it in neutral and froze because he got up one second. They changed a channel to Gilligan's Island. little buddy, and then flip it back over to whatever he was watching. And I backed it out and burled it down the street and then cranked it up on about two streets down in an alley. And I went down that alley and realized that I had hit a dead end because that street I rolled out on, I may went to make a left and it says dead end.

So I had to make a U-turn. And the only way to get out of there was to ride right past his front door. So I come down the street, crank coming out of second gear into third, about 60, 70 miles an hour. The guy was standing out on his porch. He had his 40, he had his 44, but his jaw was down on his belt buckle. And as I ripped past him, the only thing in my mind is I'm thinking, all he has to do is step out in the street. If he's a good shot like I was, he could put one right between my shoulder blades.

Right. But it's, you know, and as I went past, I looked to my right, looked over at him standing with his jaw hanging out over there in front of his door. I looked to my left. And I looked at, and Pat's jaw is. is hanging on his bell buckle. As he watches me, I look over a Pat, and I ripped by about 70 miles an hour, and Pat's jaw, you know, he's like, he couldn't believe it.

It was, it was crazy. Pat had to look like he was having a heart attack. As I looked over a Pat, and I finally got to the next street and made a right and rode to Pat's mom's house. The guy didn't fire the gun? No. And so I got over to Pat's mom. He was following me, and I got there, Pat's mother had come home for work,

and she opened the door by the gate by the pool, and she looked over me and she says oh hi michael they go hey mrs grave how you doing and she goes you have a different motorcycle every week she goes that's a beautiful bike i says thank you and it's a friend i'm just working on it i'm working on it for a friend so i parted it by the pool and then pat pulled up and he walks up to he was white as a sheet he looked at me and he goes he says man he says i cannot believe that i just saw what i just saw he says uh you had the biggest set of balls to anybody I ever met in my entire life. So I just said, look, you know,

because I was still building that chopper that we were, I was still building that bike that me and Keith had, essentially I had bought that motorcycle and Keith talked me into stripping it down. They were going to completely rebuild it for the show that was coming up in about five or six months. So there you go. So I was still, I was doing everything I could,

burglaries, motorcycles, dealing drugs in order to pay for the bike. And, uh, yeah, your cousin, didn't you say your cousin said it was only cost a few thousand dollars and it just kept every time you walk in. Yeah, he says, oh, it costs about $12,000. And at that time in the early, in the mids, middle 70s, that was a lot of money. Now, it was living with my stepbrother. So. But it kept getting, I can't believe. I, you know, and higher. Oh, it got it. Yeah, it got into the end of the mid 30s before we finally finished the motorcycle and entered it into that show with the Veterans Memorial Coliseum and I won first place. Got a big check. Got a big trophy.

Keith put it in the showroom at Cosby Choppers and I had to sign the check over to him because I was into him by that time for about 15 to 17,000. I always had a huge balance there. Whatever, what happened with Keith? He passed away.

Keith died. Yeah. Yeah, when I got my patch in the dirty dozen, I've been with a dozen for about a year and went over there. Duke was his partner, the painter. Right.

And I went over there and he told me that Keith had died. So, you know, it was a rough time it was a rough time that we were very very Keith and I were extremely close I loved them like a you know like a like an older brother like why I love my older brother who's a Vietnam veteran Greg still lives in Phoenix the stepbrother right from the you know so so when you met you you you got married well I didn't get married and it was a couple of years later after I got my, we remember that, that, I had a wreck on that panhead.

We got the insurance money and Big Tim, the mechanic from my cousin, he had that shovel head. And he had it up on the workbench. When I came in there one day, I looked at it and it was out of this world. I go, what do you want for that? He goes, I'll take $6,000 in cash. And I said, I'll give you $5,000. I'll give you $4,500 in cash in my motorcycle. And he said, deal.

because you wanted around 15 for it. That was a lot of money then for a chopper. You know, you might pay $7, $8,000 for a real nice motorcycle. A stock, Holly Davidson, out of the dealership, was $2,300. Sportsster was like $1,800. You might pay as much as $3,000 for, you know, a limited edition bike, like maybe a low rider of $2,800, somewhere out in there. So we put that in the show again, and it won.

First place, big trophy, you know. So I wrote that for, I had a really close friend named Lumpy, whose brother had rode with a dirty dozen Bob, Bob Hennessy. Leo Hennessey, we called him Lumpy. Yeah. And he was, he was 11, 12 years old and had his Harley. When we were, he went to a Catholic school next door to where I went to, went to grade school in Desert View in North Phoenix.

We used to see him riding by on his, on his chopper. And he was a pretty, you know, he was a pretty, uh, well-known individual. We became very, very close and lived together. So what was happening with your mom? Like at this point, your mom was actually was sending up, was shipping up marijuana, right? For the, for these guys to sell. Mom and Doug were going to Columbia by this time on Shrimpers.

Doug was, they were taking, they had a, they had a couple of other, other individuals that they were working with but they were they were either flying it in or you know but most of the time it was coming in on boats and Doug was bringing in loads from cardahena from bar and kea and uh um i'm still out out west on the bike right so i didn't get i didn't ride prospect on that on that third harley for the dirty dozen until around in 1977 and got my got my patch in the phoenix chapter So I didn't I started going to this popular college bar called the Squeezebox. And that's where I met, I walked in there one night with a member of the club that had gotten busted down to prospect named Turtle. And he said one night, I took him away from, you know, when you're a prospect, they'll keep you up for days.

And it's brutal. I got to tell you, it's brutal. A boot camp ain't nothing compared to being a prospect for the dirty dozen back in the 70s. And as I said, I knew a Hells Angel that never made it. Met him years later. And a dirty dozen minimum prospect is 60 days. If you don't have your patch in 70 or 80 days, something's wrong. They're either going to beat your ass and take your motorcycle or just run you out of town.

And this Hell's Angel obviously, I forget his name. He essentially realized he wasn't going to get his patch and he took off. and Hells Angels prospect period is a year. And so he ran prospect for the Hells Angels. I forget if it was the Burdue chapter or the Daily City Boys or up there in Oakland. But the Hells Angels used to come to Arizona and we were real tight with them.

And I knew quite a few of them. So me and my president years later and one of the warlords and our vice president, we used to fly over and stay with the H.A. in their, you know, and party at their clubhouse in Oakland so so I have had at this point like by the time you meet your wife had you already gone to federal prison because you already went to state we talked about state but did the state time no I hadn't gone I didn't go to federal the federal prison until uh 81 and 82 oh yeah yeah okay

okay okay so um I met I met her and that's for stealing like like massive like tractors and right well it was a couple of million interstate transportation we would take a truck like i drive now with a flatbed or we called a low boy you'd go to a job site find a brand new case grader or a or a backhoe put it on the the flatbed and run it across the state line before the contractor and owned the the the equipment would come to work and realize that someone had a broken into his yard and stolen you know what it is usually we would take his prize kenworth or peterbilt and use that to go grab some Sometimes the contractor had had the equipment on the back of his trucks at the, at the, at the yard where he owned his business.

So I had to cut the locks. And, and this is after she and I had split up. Right. So I'm, well, let's, well, let's jump back to. So you meet, you, you meet, what's your name? Chris. Chris. Chris, you meet Chris.

She was engaged to someone else. Right. And, you know, I was pretty much. Was it like a pilot or something? Yeah, he was going to an air college at Bisbee, and she was dancing down there at that club. And the mother had married a wealthy guy who had a million dollars. It was called Sun Valley Ani, I think, as I recall. And, you know, so, but she wasn't having anything to do with me.

Right. But I was essentially smitten, you know, so. But at the time, I was living with a, I had, like, a lot of the brothers in the club had prostitutes, if you would. or massage parlor employees that, you know, that were bringing them money. Right. You know, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's almost like the Italian mob. He got prostitution, drugs. Right.

You know, when Sonny Barger bonded out in a million dollars, that's when the RICO statute came out and they knew they, wait a minute, they have a million dollars cash and then the Sunny Barger got bonded out. And, you know, they put the Italian mob first under that RICO. statute and they and they and the and the feds put in outlaw motorcycle gangs as the second highest priority for investigation so when they realize these just aren't regular just outlaw greasy bikers they're they posted a million dollars cash bail yeah it's obviously it's a it's an enterprise yeah by the time i was gone i was in miami uh sunny barger had throat cancer he moved to cave

creek because of the the dry climate and then they a lot of the dirty dozen uh my My old brother in the Mesa chapter, Chico, Robert Moore, he died. But by this time, I was in Miami. So, Chris, back to Chris. So you meet Chris, you get married. She leaves, she leaves the fiancé. Right. We meet the mother.

We meet the mother-in-law. You know, Chris has me go over to their expensive townhome where they're living for dinner. And by this time, I had to go fast jet bike. I stripped down the shovelhead to put an S&S kid in it, you know, essentially borne stroke it. And I turned around and I'm driving it riding a jet bike. Right. And I remember Hells Angel looking at that thing. We were building rice rockets and putting them into rigid frames like a chopper.

But it was a it was 1,100 Kalasaki, you know. And he told me, he says, man, you're Harley's going to get back at you for this. And a guy turned left in front of me a few months later. And it was a bad wreck. And this time I didn't get any insurance money. like I always did when I wrecked when I dropped one of my one of my motorcycles so anyway yeah we got married and then moved into a house and she kept dancing and I got in that wreck and then we flew back to my mother I called mom and she started sending me quite a bit of

money through Western Union every week to by this time mom moms and she she had told me you know we learned basic seamanship when we had lived there in Miami for a year you and Doug yeah Yeah, best of my brothers, so we knew basic seamanship. She wanted me to come home. She wanted me to see, me and Chris got married, 79, 80. We flew to Miami for our honeymoon. Then that's when, you know, flew into Miami. And I was pretty, I needed an operation.

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and this was still Miami Shores, but it was right there on the intercoastal. So then I kind of realized when I came to, it came in the house, there were 80-pound bales of, you know, four-car garage, three-four-car garage, would be 80-pound bales stacked up along the walls.

And I had told my wife it was fertilizer for her botanical, you know, garden that she had out back and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, a few days. Yeah, we partied for a better part of two weeks. And, you know, a lot of coat right back in the old days pablo stuff griselda stuff you know that and uh back

in the day when it was 93% in you know ether the the the good stuff so we're and and and i had been in arizona for for so long since we had come back in 73 by this time it's 79 and uh my mom had pulled me aside and she says your brother listen the heroin you know Doug had by that time was it was with doug was a multi-millionaire when he was 18 right so you know they uh 19 so the she says you got to come home i need you got it you got to you got to come home she's afraid he was going to kill himself right like he was going to end up overdose or something and they would bring in the loads and some and some italians were coming down from new york or wherever and they would take the load you know they would mom would flip the load to them and uh the columbians were fron the load

they were front on the load and then you know she would uh they had come down she'd flip it for a percentage for for a nice profit in a few million two three million whatever five and then uh the she would pay the columbians and she was getting pretty cheap of course you know and then uh that's that's the that's the way it was running so but i told you know so but chris wanted to go back to work in uh phoenix so she flew back before me and then i stayed in miami and we uh me my kid brother and some some real close friends we we took a little, Doug says, let's go out in the boat and go to Nassau. So we went to Nassau and gambled, you know, and those days were pretty decadent.

Had about, had a pound of Coke on the boat. It was the friend's father's sportfish, Hatteras, or excuse me, a Bertram, a 53-foot Bertram. And we took that to the Bahamas for about a week and a half, two weeks around the, you know, at sea. So it was a nice vacation for me. right to get away but Chris using forgeries and bogus identities matthew b cox one of the most ingenious con men in history built america's biggest banks out of millions despite numerous encounters with bank security state and federal authorities cox narrowly and quite luckily avoided capture

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I want you to and I told her mom Chris doesn't like Miami and my mom's essentially my mother's exact words dumped that flaky bitch right and mom mothers know and get your ass back home and get on the boat so she basically wanted you you and your brother to captain the boats to go pick up marijuana mom could live her her uh her um luxurious lifestyle exactly hey listen she was the brains mom the feds were never ever the DEA the FBI they were never able to outsmart her never so that's the bottom line when she was alive you know we had a lot of heat you know years later they had a lot of heat and uh you know they were I would sit there at the house at night you know high, you know, high on blow and sit there and watch a car go.

She had a boyfriend that she met a younger kid and his father was a boss in the Gambino family. Right. Joe Paterno. So they, you'd see a car go by a couple of Joe's button guys would drive by. Then you'd see another car go by about an hour later with undercover vehicle with the shortwave aerials. And you see another one like that one go by about an hour later. I'd sit there at night and watch four or five. cars go by in a five or six hour period so you know we were under heavy surveillance that mom

just said now we're going to take them we're not going to offload over here at the warehouse where we're usually bring it up here into the inner coastal here in Miami we're going to bring it down to the keys you dumb asses we're going to offload it there and bring it up in trucks right under their noses and we got another warehouse and so you know we were never we never busted for any load ever by the you know although they tried to get mom they They did come in the house, which I believe when we were in Coleman, you pulled, you got that indictment. Mom was indicted for cocaine in 1975 in Miami.

She got it quashed or she brought her the way to the Supreme Court. No, she took it to the Supreme Court. Yeah. And there was a corrupt judge named Ellen Morphonius. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She tried to extort mom for 10 grand. and then mom was a little has said some derogatory things about Morphonius

and the phone was tapped on the phone yes so on the phone she says she's she's mouth she's they had a it was a bail bondsman right the bail bondsman came and said that Marphonius one detectives well okay they want

they gave the tape they gave the tape they wanted initially they wanted 10,000 and then No. Mom was pretty upset about that. And then she said a few derogatory things about Morphonious. But she said it on the phone. Like she knew the phone was tapped and she still called up what?

She was talking to one of her gangster friends. Right. And she's on the phone. Yeah. Some wise guy. And it came back. And the detectives came back over and played the tape for it and says, now Morphonius. wants a hundred thousand dollars my my kid brothers and out in california at this time

dug had duggy had to help raise the hundred gs to give to marfonius because morfornius said it's a hundred thousand now remember this is the 70s yeah yeah that's a lot of money in the mid 70s that's a lot of money now yeah you can imagine back then it's like half a million dollars so uh they raised the money and gave it to uh um that corrupt piece of right so work and uh you know invective vernacular

anyway so make a long story short or before the detections initially told mom it's a hundred grand or you're going to prison so she she quashed the case but mom took it to the Supreme Court and that's what you pulled up when we were in Coleman right and you know Marlene Hudson

aka the lady the lady yeah so versus the state of Florida. So I was, at this point, so when is that, well, this is, that's 75, but we were up to about 79. When did Doug get grabbed? Because he got grabbed twice. Doug got grabbed in the Bahamas on a load. And he got grabbed the first time.

And the Bahamians took Doug into the Fox Hill. Right. And they, I was still in Arizona then. But I didn't, you know, so. Fox Hill was like an infamous prison, right? In the Bahamas. Like horrible conditions. Probably this is bad if not worse.

As Colmianado del Este, where Doug wound up in prison in Cuba in 83. Right. When I had already came home from that federal prison camp for the $2 million in interstate transportation. So what happened with? So he's in the Bahamas. Mom calls the Colombians and says, Doug's in the, in Fox Hill. The Colombians go to the, essentially the story that was given,

that Dougie gave me and mom, the Colombians went to the jailer. I got to a jailer in the Bahamas and said, we'll give you a 50 Gs, 25 now and 25, you know, when the kid comes home, we'll have a cigarette sitting down there in the, in the marina. So sit there, so they put a cigarette boat, the Colombians put a cigarette boat in the marina and the prison

guards let him out like they let him escape they leave a door open apparently one individual that they were able to get to right and uh but this individual decided he was going to keep the money and his job and gave gave up Doug and when Doug gotten that in those days you had to open you had to run the blowers you had to open up the the blowers on the boat to get all the gas fumes out of it otherwise you could go up like a like a like a Roman candle all right so Doug's in Doug got down the marina got in the boat and uh here comes uh could have been a hatteras or a bertram that they had confiscated converted whether 30 caliber or 50 up on deck with a set with a 5,000 can of power

searchlight and you know so Doug just took off he didn't even know and he took off didn't even run the blowers for minimum of three minutes and took off and uh they opened up on him and there was quite a few holes in the boat Doug made it to Fort Lauderdale and you know That was it. And to my knowledge, the Colombians found out that the jailer had double-crossed him and he never had a chance to spend that money. All right. So, you know.

So then, so basically you come, so what happens with you? You come back, you come back to Miami. What happened with Chris? Well, Chris, I came back home and we were together for about a year. And it got to the point where mom told me finally, listen, you're coming home. I need, you need to come home and get. get on the boat because Doug is going to kill himself. He's going to OD.

So his heroin problem had gotten a little out of hand, but listen, I had had the same. I had done the same thing, but I had essentially kicked it back in 73, you know, when I bought that first Harley. So he, you know, was really giving mom fits. And the whole operation could, you know, because they would get $100,000 up front as a captain's fee before he ever got in the boat. the you know the people the the Italians that were buying the marijuana were given Doug a captain's fee and that would essentially cover any expenses that may

that they might incur in case he got interdicted you know the the Coast Guard boarded him or he wound up in a foreign prison somewhere right so they could get him out like he did winding up when Castro got him so um my then I told mom Chris hates Miami she doesn't want to go back there and then you know she said get rid of her so but I wasn't I was I loved her I didn't want to leave right now and so mom essentially had been sending me quite a bit of money and I still needed to get that operation so she kind of cut me off right so we wound up just living together and she was still dancing at that club and I was doing a few things I was still stealing Harleys here and there and doing a burglary here or there and I put together a score um her mother her the mother-in-law was a uh Quite the, quite the hater. And the fact that when Chris came home from her honeymoon, they'd never got a lawn together.

And Chris had told me one time that they had gotten a fight and put each other in the same hospital room in separate beds across from each other. And I was like, Chris was a beautiful, beautiful woman, but she was tough. It's about 5'9, you know, fine. So she was definitely a 10. So anyway, we would fight on occasion.

and I put together a score that my good friend Lumpy had run across. He was a carpenter at excellent. I used to hammer and nail with him and frame houses years before when we were younger. And he said, yeah, he did a room edition for this real wealthy Jewish guy that owns a jewelry store, and he's building a bigger jewelry store. So all this inventory is in an alarmed part of the property. You know, about 5,000 square feet. And Lumpy essentially gave me a layout of the,

and we went over there, and I sold a little bit of gold to the guy, and I got a, and I did a little recon, you know, and I saw it was heavily alarmed, proximity, you know, LEDs on the doors, tape on the windows. And as we're driving away in Lumpy's porch, he says to me, and we're smoking a joint, I'm just staring out the window, and Lumpy looks over me, he knows what I'm thinking, he goes, no, there's no way, there's no way you're going to be able.

Don't even think about it. I go, you know, there's, he says, I says to him, I says, you know, there's got to be about 17 or 18 pounds of gold. Gold was at $550 an ounce then. It was the highest it had ever been. And hanging on the walls, just in chains and diamond pendants and, you know, displays, you know, and, you know, Cardier, Rolex, blah, blah, blah, all the diamond rings. So love you goes, forget about it. you're not going to, and you'll never get, he says you could try going up in the attic and crawling across the, uh, the home into the guest house where, where everything was being

kept under, you know, the whole, the whole property was heavily alarmed and, uh, you could jump through the drywall. And I thought about that for a minute. And then I tried that one night, you know, I would, I would scope the, the, uh, the residence and the individual was gone. You know, there were two cars of driveway, a new Mercedes, diesel and a, and a, uh, a, El Dorado. So I knew he had a wife and a couple of kids. And I went back there and tried that. Tried to move the attic enclosure up about two inches and the alarm went off. So I told Lumpy, oh, listen, you idiot, this is proximity. So what I did was eventually get a schematic of the alarm system. And I went back there. The guy went on vacation. I just happened to get lucky.

So I went in. And it took eight hours. It was one of the hottest nights in Arizona history. It was 108 degrees at 8 or 9 o'clock at night. It was like 101 or 102. I had a young kid whose girlfriend worked at the squeeze bog with Chris. And I went in there and it took about eight hours. I cut the alarms. I essentially, you know, disengaged the external system, the audible system, the striker, and had special tools and then cut the glass.

uh like like jack murphy did with an india star sapphire uh the long ruby and uh back of the day but mine were a little my my entry was a little more professional and i tied off the alarm system this is the tape and i got in and uh i told this kid listen it was a cul-de-sac so you had an alley and then you had to run around the side of the home had a pool had a uh it was about five thousand square feet had a big swimming pool i says tap on that side window if you see any police coming down, there's only one way to get in. Right.

Coming down the street, it was at the end of that street at a cul-de-sac off of Glendale Avenue and 12th Street. So, as I stepped up to the room where all the inventory was, I could actually feel this, it was glowing red and feel almost a hum,

an audible hum from all the service that was being running there. And I had a ski mask on. And you can see the LEDs across the doorway on the two feet up, a foot up. And then from, you know, so that the light-emitting diode would trip the alarm. So you had to dive between them. So I threw the duffel bag in there, dove between them, stood up. And as soon as I stood up, they had a backup system that wasn't on the schematic and the damn thing would,

the alarm system was sold out. It woke the dead. Right. So it had to have woken up at least five square. blocks. But you're already in. The kid left me. It scared him to death.

But I was in and I wasn't leaving. And in Arizona then, burglaries were prosecuted for, you had had a window of maybe five to eight minutes before they were, the Phoenix Police Department. Burglaries were heavily prosecuted. And I went away on. And you've already been. Yes. So a second offense carried a men, man of 15. yeah and I had been doing them all along when I built the motorcycles you know so you know I had the I had the the butterflies the whole time I was doing burglary I did some high-end burglaries when I was building the first the second panhead you know and that Keith conned me into building so the alarm went off and I stayed in there I looked at my watch I was in there for nine minutes I could

got every last bit of inventory and got stuck coming out the window because there was just this tiny pain that I had cut to open the these windows cranked open but I tied off the alarm you know with the alligator clips and all that kind of jazzed and it and it didn't matter because all that time I took you know it was immaterial because I set off a backup system right so by this time you can hear voices of the neighbors fact the neighbors did come outside one time when I was on a two-story ladder that I used the neighbor that the the individual that that owned that property I used his two-story to go up and and and uh um disengaged the audible system with the bell and the striker I took that all apart but there was another

one inside the attic anyway I got out of there and made it back to the uh we had parked across the main uh a main thoroughfare Glendale Avenue and an apartment complex parking lot right there and i went and uh walked back through and got and this kid was sitting in his jeep and i had about 30 pounds 40 40 pounds gold diamonds you know and watches you name it and i threw it in the back of his jeep he never knew i had it and i got in there my little brother wanted to kill him right when he found out because my little brother this in my they had essentially helped me with how to tie out the system because i was not a cat burglar per se right i did burglaries but I was more of the

Jimmy the door with a crowbar vice grips, you know, get in, get out, and you know, so but this one was a little different. So we waited and about 20 cars come up with the lights flashing and the helicopter is already over the property with the search light.

But it was, but I watched the helicopter go across this property was West Abyss and I noticed it went across 12th Street which we were sitting on facing north and Glendale ran east west. We were right there on the south, eastern corner of 12th Street, right on the street. And I'm watching, and the cops were making the left as they went up. There was a canal that runs around Phoenix, and they had made a left.

I'm looking over with this kid, and I says, they went the wrong way. So we just sat there for a while and waited. Then they finally came back across 12th Street and went the right direction. And I says, let's get out of here. So that was it, you know. I went back home, woke up Chris. You know, she, and then, and this kid, you know, I was a little upset that he left me there. And I says, where's all the tools they had all my prints on them?

Right. Snap on, you know, a rollout police, you know, belcro that I used to, you know, the glass cutter, everything had my print. It goes, I threw it in the alley. I had to go back there early the next morning and find the toolkit that had all my prints on it and get that. So, you know, we fenced off the stones. Just the stones alone. I went to hitchhike down 12th Street and went to a culture Cadillac and bought a brand new Seville, cash, and roll back up. This is 1970, 1979, 80.

And then, you know, and then we moved the gold. It took a while. But Chris had come home on our honeymoon a year and a half before and had told her mother everything. because one morning in Miami she woke me up he says I want now helped your mom do the laundry and oh we smoked some of that fertilizer so and I said oh my I says oh shit I says look I we better we better have a talk so I told he his mom's a smuggler I says what do you mean I says she brings in you know large amounts of marijuana on boats from Columbia So Chris went back and she never got along with her mother

and they essentially hated each other and she liked to really just get under her mom's skin so she told her everything. Oh, Michael, you think you're wealthy? Her mom, she says Michael's mom cleans house and a nine-carat marquee diamond. So you think we're wealthy? So her mother's threatened to go to the police.

And I had to call my mom and tell her who left the call back and left the message on our answer machine when Chris and I came back from the club one night because she'd go dance and I'd just go in the club and, you know, drink, play foosball, galaga, you know, and sit there and watch her dance and then we would go across the street to like a Denny's

was called a carols, have breakfast and go home. And she says, my mom says, Michael, it's your mother. She says, tell your wife that if her mother goes to the police, I'll have her killed. And that pretty much put the kibosh on her mom going to the cops. Right. So, and it kind of, our marriage was a little, it was just, look, you know, the mother-in-law, she was right in the middle of it.

She just, she couldn't help, but just try to just disrupt the whole thing. We loved each other, you know, but I feel this way. Chris did the right thing because she, when we did, when I did that score, it got a on our feet you know she turned around and she went and told her mom and she says the cops are going to come in that condo that you two live in and when they're going to take you to jail along with him but she and i started arguing about something and then she eventually uh you know she eventually uh took off right so by that time i had uh i you know i ended up meeting johnny patterson and we started stealing the heavy equipment and i moved out of the

there real quick to try to cover my tracks into a luxurious condo bought an El Dorado to match my silver Seville brand new and that's what I was doing right and I dropped you know by this time I went underground you know and uh started doing the the the disco thing so you know we're doing the disco deal and that's that's that's what that's essentially what how my lifestyle then it was discos and phoenix and uh cocaine and discos, you know, and flipping a pound of Coke here and, you know, a couple of pounds of pot there. Was your mom still moving?

Oh, yes. Just marijuana or had she switched to Coke? No, they didn't start. They didn't go to the cocaine until I came home, you know. Yeah, because there was a lot of heat with the federal government on the marijuana when they, when they, you essentially think of the terms, think of the movie Scarface. And Tony's telling, you know, Alex, he's telling, hey, you know, this is not a cakewalk anymore with the news, you know, spy in the sky technology. The feds had the floor, the four looking infrared radar, the look down, shoot down radar, which is essentially the same technology that he had in the F-14s in the Tomcats then.

Right. That looked down, shoot down, you know, the infrared signature of a boat, the wake signature would give a away. It's running hot. They could see it. It's bright red. They knew it wasn't, you know, that it was low in the water. And they would contact a Coast Guard cutter and say, you might want to check this boat out. Here's the coordinates. See? So you had to really know where the, where the ghost guard was at. Mom knew. They had the grid system. They knew where they're pretty much where they ran and what times of the year, you know. Remember, you got a window. You got a window to go to Columbia you got hurricane season any kind of storm out there we had a friend that named

Doyle that got lost out there when a kid that Doug grew up with in Arizona they went to grade school together they were best friends he brought him out to Miami put him on the boat and Hurricane David caught him right and they were never seen again so and this was running a load for your mom they yeah yeah and I was still in Arizona then I was still me and Chris were living together and I was still in the dozen and I had to go convince the kid's mom not to go to the feds or go to the I said mom's trying to find out where if he if they got interdicted and they're in a foreign prison someplace right so you know but you think it was a hurricane we knew it was a hurricane right yeah but that was the story we had to give the kid's mom right you know she did she knew

nothing about the boats unless he had told her but she never did the poor she was a junkie herself the kid was a junkie right but Doug got him out to Arizona got him out the Florida to dry him out and took him from Arizona to Miami and I guess you know like the impact of Doug pretty pretty tough because the kid wound up that's that's a you know that's not a good way to die going down in a hurricane you know you think of the movie uh what is the name of that movie that it's a great movie yeah oh man the perfect storm the perfect storm

think about that going down like that you're fighting for what a day it might take a day it might take eight hours no tell how long it takes for that boat to go down to Davy Jones

so that's it so I I'm sorry for me the references are I can see the boat going up you know and I am as soon as he said

Davy Jones I immediately see fires the Caribbean with Davy Jones where he's got the squid sorry there you go so um you know so me and johnny patterson started stealing the heavy equipment two brothers that i had known when i was an outlaw biker i got in a lot of fights in north phoenix and they were bouncers at a club called the the foggy bottom and i beat a guy up in there pretty bad so i had 50 or 60 hand-to-hand combats in uh when i was a dirty dozen and uh you know i got in a lot of fights before that because essentially the dirty dozen i started hanging out with

and they would call you a leaner, you know. And the ones that weren't in a club, because the dozen owned Arizona. And they had ran 15 or more outlawed motorcycle gangs out of Arizona, killing them and shootouts, you know, you name it. When I was still in grade school, the Dirty Dozen took over and owned Arizona like the H.A.

Owned California. Right. So, you know, you were boosting trucks or the... Yeah, we were... Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it. But what if we told you there was a way to skip over the pressures of banking? By matching with the TD Small Business Account Manager, you can get the proactive business banking advice and support your business needs.

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too badly for being bouncers because I'll still ride my bike. Right. And we went to a party and a kegger. And there was this guy in there, another guy and his brother were terrorizing all these two or three hundred kids there. One guy, the taller of the brother, the two brothers was about six foot ten, six nine, if he was an inch. And the other one was about six four, six five.

And I went outside with some dudes, got in there, a van. to do a bump and we were in there and we heard a bunch of noise and they were going around pitching all the girls and he asked and they were across the street and under a street light and had these three or four guys out there backed up you know across the street and then this guy was says hey man that's them two guys that are you know walking around the party so i went outside and i said hey man calm down everybody be cool and i'm just starting to come on this blow and anyway the uh one of them come i just kind of touched him on his elbow and he kind of swung back at me And he had, these were sidewalk commandos.

These are the guys that are wearing Harley jackets, but they don't have any motorcycles. My bike was parked right on the, on the front lawn of that kegger, and I was wearing my patch. Right. And I just, you know, I leaned back, you know, and I was trained by a Golden Gloves champion in the state prison in Arizona named Bobby Golden out of Oregon. So I was pretty, really, really good with my hands. and I leaned back a little bit but the tip of his zipper caught me in my lip as he backhanded at me

get your hands off me man so I ran him down and knocked him out had to run him down he tried some karate stuff and all that jazz and I just you know blocked all of his kicks and I ran up on him and knocked him out with a hook well the brother run up on me

I heard him running up he left these other four guys and ran up on me and I hit him on an overhand and he went right down and I thought you know I heard a little noise like you're pouring a beer out

slope and by that time we could hear the sirens coming and the Higgins brothers ones that years about a year and a half later ratted me and Johnny out well see they got busted for for coat twice

and they had been stealing the heavy equipment with John that's how they're able to afford that house they had been with John stealing the heavy equipment they got busted and they're both snitches

right so I had thought about coming back to Arizona and killing them both years later but mom said put it put a stop to that no no we don't need that kind of heat but it would have been it would have been simple because we were you know we were highly trained in that and that kind of thing because you know all the guys all the gangsters that mom knew and all this kind of crap we knew how to get rid of somebody they were never seen again so um so i turned around and uh we ran to their house and the cops came and not to get off on a tangent, but about two years later, I had a buddy named, I'm not going to mention his name, but he was coming out to Miami, getting a couple of pounds of Coke and taking it back

to Phoenix. We went out there. By this time, Chris had left, and I was living, you know, over there in a luxury condo. He bought a new Jeep. We went out to the river, went four-wheel. So these guys, we saw some guys doing four-wheel, and they had another one of those kind of bands, and hey, you want to come in and have a drink, and hey, nice Jeep, blah, blah, we went in there. So we're sitting there. And there's about four or five us in there. And my buddy was very, very clandestine. He was very close-lipped and very professional.

He was rather well to do with the operation. He was running between Miami and, you know, and Phoenix. And one of these guys pipes up and says, hey, you were at that party with the Higgins brothers. You knocked those two brothers out. Because everybody came out in the front lawn when it happened and started clapping. Right. So then we hear the cops coming

and the Higgins brothers because we'd better get out here as we went to their house and hid, even though the cops knew where they were at, we saw them driving by all night. So we essentially sat in there and did coke all night and just peeked to the curtains and watched the cops coming back and forth in front of the

house. He goes, I said, no, no, no, you got me missed because my hair was cut and, you know, and the beard, you know, the food man chew, it was all gone and clean shave and he goes, no, no, it's you. I go, no, man, it's not me Scott's looking over at me going, hey, man, whoa, hey.

And I said, listen, no, you got me messed up with somebody else. The guy goes, no, man, it's you. So finally I go, okay, okay. I says, yeah, it was me. He goes, man, you were in the dirty dozen. I says, nah, that was a while back, not anymore. So I says, by the way, I said, Scott goes, I think we should leave, you know, because he was really close-lipped and he didn't want any kind of notoriety at all.

I go, look. I said, so what happened with that guy? He says, you cut an artery in his chest. cheek he almost bled to death he lost like three quarts through his cheek but before they got him to the emergency room in the ambulance so i was i was just like you know but uh that's a bullet yeah so that's the kind of you know that's the kind of that's how it was in the in the club it wasn't a week didn't go by it seems i couldn't avoid it so that's what was going on when i when i when i spotted chris at that club and i kind of started getting away from from from

by the president of my chapter got really upset. I was his protege. He was grooming to become a warlord. But I didn't, after a couple of years of that, Matt, two years, three years of it, I really didn't want to do that anymore. I really wanted something different. When I saw her and got to know her, I had this wild, I had this hooker that was bringing me $500 a night.

She worked at a massage parlor, a girl, a lady named Paul, a little older than me, a couple of kids, but we lived together. And me and Rabbit, the president of the Tucson chapter, he had a girl that worked with her. And me and Rabbit were really, really, really tight. And we had a little safe house in Phoenix nobody knew about. So that's where we were in Sconsed, and that's where we lived. But at the same time, you know, I really didn't, that dozen lifestyle, it started to get, there was only a matter of time before you wound up going back to the state prison.

Right. For something that I had a roommate named Big George and another one named Hillbilly. They got in a fight at a bar. and it happened to turn it was under surveillance and an undercover cop got in the middle of it and Big George he was about 6 foot 10 and he broke the guy's jaw Big George and Hillbley wound up doing five years

in the state prison in Arizona at that time that's when I started wanting to distance myself from the club so so you got so you started you started stealing like the tractors and stuff like that how did you get caught for that Well, the Higgins brothers got busted for cocaine twice in one month. That was the story I got later on, but they came out in the discovery.

And they flipped Johnny to an FBI agent named Hank Webb out of El Paso, FBI Special Investigations, El Paso, heavy equipment thefts. the head of the whole investigation, Hank Webb, an FBI agent. And they introduced Johnny to Hank Webb under the guys. He went under the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, alias cowboy, the Rolex, the cowboy hat, the boots, the gold, right, the bling. And we started meeting this guy at a, uh, at a famous restaurant in, in Phoenix, um, uh, called the Green Gables. So one, now, by this time, we're,

making, we're making a lot of money. They're flipping, giving us 30, 40,000 a pop for each piece of equipment that we're running across the state line. We'd go to Gallup. We'd run, run from Phoenix to Gallup. We'd steal one in New Mexico and run it to Las Vegas. We steal one Las Vegas, bringing down to Phoenix. So it's like a triangle. Right. So me and Mike, and we had a kid named Mikey liner that was hot wiring the vehicles for us, the equipment. So we had to make sure we got out of Arizona. By the time the sun came up, we wanted to make sure we were across the state line. before the identifying the plate number and the serial numbers on those on that and the heavy equipment and whatever it is else we had taken you know came up on the uh in c ic yeah that's all they

had back then so you know um the higgins brothers gave up johnny to the feds in order not to go to jail for these are pretty these kids are half-ass tough but either i could have whooped either one of them all right you know and in fact the guy that i beat up one night and I came back a week later when the dozen had gone in there because of all those Ohio bikers. We'd see about 50, 60 bikes from Ohio with Ohio plates. So one night at a meeting of the dozen, my president, Fat Al says, we're going to go in there. Don't anybody wear any dirty dozen paraphernalia go in there undercover, no bikes. We're going to find out what's going on with these Ohio guys. So we went in there and I got in a fight with some guy, some big biker

that uh and i was really young too i was still 22 23 clean shaving looked awful young with the you know they didn't realize i was what the dirty does he knew a couple of them but he got mouthy you know one thing led to another and i lit him up in there and knocked all the teeth out of his mouth put the boot to him once he once i kicked him under the bar but when i went back a week later the the owner of the bar goes that's that guy that was here a week ago and told the higgins brothers throw him out and they go you throw him out now then we met and we went outside and we talked and that's when we started

we got pretty friendly and they invited me to their house you know I started going in the club I told the owner listen man I'm alone that what happened last week it was just a flute thing listen the guy tried me and look that's what happened so he goes okay I says I'm not coming in here

with any brothers we're not coming in here in force so that was it and then when the Higgins brothers got busted about a year later for the coke they you know they turned around a year and a half later because remember that during that interim, I married Chris, went back and forth, went to Miami. And so that was it. They gave up Johnny Patterson to the feds. We sold a bunch of heavy equipment to the feds. And you?

No, it didn't give me up. They wanted to get me away from it. They gave up Johnny only. Johnny kind of wanted to be the spokesman. How did you go to prison for the heavy equipment? John would meet our buddy, our Hank Webb, the FBI agent, Cowboy at the Green Gables restaurant once a month. We would go there in a limo or we would meet together. I'd drive his Corbett. I would go over there. We're going to meet Cowboy 5 or 6. And you go in this place on a Friday or Saturday night.

You got people stand. It's a gazillion degrees outside. You go in there. And when I would notice that we would be sitting. at a table like this and there'd be people all around this but four or five of the tables and one of the one of them you know you had to have a reservation they're not occupied there's and then you had some upraised diets where there were tables and booths pictures on the walls it was done in a green gables done in an english tutor type of style right they had a guy sitting

outside on a horse in a ward a steward of armor in phoenix i used to walk by the guy Luke Come, I goes, man, you got to be cooking. I says, man, are you alive? And you hear him mumbling obscenity under his suit of armor. I said, man, this guy's got to be, I don't know what they were painted, sit on that horse wearing that suit of armor. But anyway, we sit down there and cowboy, Hank Webb would walk in, and we were talking, John did all the talking.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We can bring in and we're going to bring up a dump truck next week. We'll meet you in Vegas. We'll go to Vegas. We'll meet you in Gallup. We're going to bring a greater on a, We're going to steal a low boy and a Peterbilt or a Kenworth and bring it to Gallup. You would tell him essentially what we were going to grab and where to meet us.

I never said a word. Four or five clandestine meetings with this guy. And the last meeting that we had, the Fed looks over it, meaning goes, you know, Mike, I got up to leave. I was pretty roared it out by then. I was cutting those big railroad locks with a set of special boat cutters, bowl cutters, excuse me, to get, you know, Mikey Lyre would cut a hole. We would cut a hole in the fence.

He would go in there, try to get the Dobermans out, hotwire a couple of trucks, move them out of the way to get to the guy's prized tractor. And then we would, he would call me on the radio. And Patterson, being the chicken shit that he was, he would sit down the road about a block where he could kind of keep an eyeball on us. You know, eyeball the whole deal.

I would tell him, I tell Lider, you got to get the air pressure up to 100 pounds. Once the air pressure was up to 100 pounds, he would let me know it. I would cut the lock, roll the gates back, and he would come through. And I would shut the gates and then put another lock that matched the one that I cut to when the contractor, his key wouldn't work in the lock. It would be just a...

Give you another hour or so. Yeah, give me another, yeah, a little more of a window to get across the state line. So in that last meeting, I get up and I shake, I tell John, I'll see you at the club later. And I would, you know, and I looked over at the Fed, cowboy. And I said, uh, well, nice seeing me again. And he goes, you know, Mike? He tried that little cowboy, that Hick, freaking accent. He was actually from El Paso.

He goes, you never say nothing, do you? Like, oh, whatever. I says, no, I got nothing to say. I says, Patterson here, let John do all. I let him do all the talking. I left. Well, he goes, I'll pick you up in the limo. He yells over at me as I'm leaving.

He goes, I'll pick you up in the limo tonight, as usual. And we were going to a bar, a club called the store. The biggest country Western bar in the United States at the time was Gilles in Texas. Right. In Houston, Dallas, I forget. But the second largest was the store in Phoenix. And that's where we would go and millions of girls, blah, blah, blah. And he picks me up in the limo.

Urban Cowboy was shot in Gillies. There you go. Yeah. You know what Urban Cowboy is? No. Travolta. Travolta. Yeah.

It might be before a cold of his time. But anyway. It was massive. yes it was so um and i i would i would go through all that but i didn't i would essentially get up and i would go after that that that that that that thing at the store john it was it was a deal with him he you know all the girls were all over him the blonde hair the buck teeth the skinny body the jordanche jeans so we would i would go i would go there and hang out with him for an hour to drink and i said i got to go right so i'd had the limo take me back to order to my uh to my condo

when I jumped my car and I wanted to go to the disco. I had a lot of close friends that were in there. So, you know, I was flipping a lot of coke in there. Anyway, John getting that last meeting, he says to me, he says, man, you really embarrassed me in front of that cop. I mean, excuse me, you really embarrassed me in front of cowboy. You know, he really embarrassed me. I said, let me tell you something, man.

I said, you dumb ass, don't you think it's weird? Every time we go in there on a weekend or a Friday or a Saturday, that there's nobody sitting around us? What are you saying? I said, I don't know. I said, I'm just saying I got a bad feeling about, you know, I, he goes, no, man, everything's good. They've given us two, three hundred thousand dollars already for all the stuff. We, all the heavy equipment, you know, long story short, they waited for us in Gallup.

We went to Las Vegas, took the, hit tab construction, the largest non-union construction company in Las Vegas in Nevada, and took his prize pewter built, went to a job site, took her, grader and took it into Gallup and they were tailless the whole time they they I would me and liner would have the chase truck a big duly with a snap on tool kit we could change a tire on a tractor that's how much equipment we had air compressors and everything we would go to a motel wait john to get paid and we'd come back and grab him and then you know and so we went back to about an hour or two went by and I saw and I say usually he was it was back in like 30 minutes and I told the kid liner he goes I said something's not right

I says, we're going back to Phoenix. When we drove back over there, the feds had grabbed John when he pulled in there when we dropped off the heavy equipment, the tractor of the low boy and the greater. And they had grabbed Patterson from Jump Street. Webb came, they swooped. So they didn't know where we were at, but we came back through again. And I decided to stop on the interstate. at a somewhere just i said i got to get something deep so i went to a burger king to get two uh uh

you know the two double um whoppers and then we're gonna i said we're jumping we got enough fuel to make it to phoenix and liner was dumbfounded he was just the kid the hot wired equipment and he patterson would only flip him five thousand a pop you know so being i knew patterson was probably skimming off the top on me you know but we were you know by that at that time that was that was the And, you know, so when we finally, they caught us, they had tailed us, and they grabbed us at the Burger King. We ended up in the jail in Gallup. We were taken to Albuquerque a week later, federal court arraignment. We had this flim flam attorney named Frank Lally that wore the same jacket with the same suede elbows on his jacket.

same jacket every day that had us signed $50,000 promissory notes. So we turned around and I looked at Patterson and Patterson goes, just sign the promissory note. I says, I'm not giving this guy. I says, I don't, do you see that he's wearing the same clothes every time he comes? He's a paid for attorney and this guy's a bum. And it's a small town Gallup and they're all telling him, you got some big shots now. You're going to make some money off these guys. Right.

So we went to Albuquerque for arraignment. And they had a highway patrolman that was essentially, you know, driving us back and forth, cuff us up and take us to Albuquerque. Me and John made bond. Mom came in. Mom came to Albuquerque, sent her bondsman in from Miami, and we got bond. They bonded me out. John put his house up and everything, and that was it.

And then it came out on the discovery. When we would go to that restaurant, there were telephoto lenses. And there were shotgun mics in the pictures, in the, the booze that were unoccupied in the restaurant. And I told Patterson, so when it came out in court, the judge, Enrique Campos, a federal judge, they had nothing on me. I never said a word. Patterson did all the talking. The judge gave him five years. He wanted to play the essentially the ringleader, but we were partners, right?

But the judge loved me. and he says, Mr. Hudson, I'm going to give you two jeers in anywhere you want to go. I said, he goes, I go, he goes, now you know you're pleading to misprision of a felony. Do you understand what that means? I says, Your Honor, it means that I had knowledge of a crime being committed. There was a lesser included offense from the interstate transportation. I said, yes, Your Honor, that means that I had knowledge of a crime being committed, but I didn't report it. He goes, exactly, I go, but your honor, I said, if that was the case, I'd be on the phone all day long.

So the whole courtroom starts laughing, blah, blah, blah. The judge starts laughing and goes, hey, I really, I really enjoy our conversations, Mr. Michael. He says, I'm going to give you two years. And I says, I want to go to Stafford Federal Prison Camp. Okay, two years, you got a 90 days to clean up your affairs, you self-surrender. I said, okay. So my Aunt Carol Jean brought me up. of my Cadillac, one of my

cars. Right. Patterson got five. Right. He cried in front of the judge. He literally cried. So why should I get? And the judge hated him. And the judge hated John Patterson, just hated him. He said, yeah, five years for you.

You just went to prison. You get out. I self-surrendered. You self-surrendered. You're there for what? A year? Two years? I did 14 months total. So I was, I was, 17 months you did on two years. Okay.

So I did 14 months there and got a halfway house in Miami. Mom flew me in, chartered me from the federal prison camp to Tucson, and I took American Airlines with a two-hour layover in Houston and flew into Miami to the halfway house. Mom and Doug and Aunt Carol Jean picked me up. Mom took my, took my, we sold the Seville, and she brought that brand new elder roller and parked it in the, garage at the house in the shores okay then she her they they drove down pick me up from the uh

airport we went back to the house and i had to report in by 10 o'clock and uh um that was it i drove myself to the halfway house okay with arizona my arizona drivers lives with arizona tags on the on the car so i went to the halfway house in miami and pulled in there at 10 o'clock at night a little earlier and the guy goes where are you from who are you like i'm hudson he goes well you're the only american caucasian american in here the rest are cubans and columbians and you're upstairs in room such and such you know on bed number right and uh that was it i drove myself in there and uh the halfway house then in 83 was essentially almost that we're under the old law see so um like the federal prison camp and safford had no walls or no

fence. You know, if you wanted to walk off that camp, you walked. There was a Mexican that was in there that got indicted and he found out ahead of time and he just walked all the way to Mexico. Yeah, yeah. He walked right past as I worked in the boiler room then. I remember him grabbing one of our rakes and walking out in the middle and going out towards the desert. I go, hey, man, you can't pick that rake up. He just kind of smiled at me and grinned. And where you going with a rake? And then he just threw that rake over his shoulder to make it look like he was a worker you know working with us and but that there was only i was you know there was only 90 100 men in there at any one time how many guards one or two well maybe maybe a dozen maybe more but still

maybe 150 guys total somewhere in there but there wasn't very many it had to be a million dollar crime or more white collar to get into safford federal prison camp then the only other inmates we had in there that were not in there for a white-collar crime were the Indians because they're under federal jurisdiction. Right. So we had a couple of Indians in there. The Apaches one killed his neighbors because he thought

they put a curse on it with a hatchet. And yeah, he used to. God. Yeah. So. Um, so you went back to Miami. Like, how long were you in Miami?

You started what, captain a boat for your mom? No, we got back to my, I'm still in the halfway house. Right. I mean, when you left the halfway house. Yeah, I moved out to Miami Lakes and I lived with a pretty famous smugglers in the estates around the corner from Don Shula. I moved into his house. He had separated from his wife.

So his son, Wayne, I moved in there with Bobby Casal's kid and his ex-wife, Audrey, and their daughter lived there. palatial home in the estates and that's where I lived for a while before you know uh Dougie got before we put together a load Dougie got on a boat to go to Jamaica and that's when he was interdicted by the Cubans oh okay by Castro right right and so he wound up in prison there and Bobby the um informant on my federal indictment in 2006 He was already there. He was already there since 79 with a kid who was the son of our next door neighbor.

He was the younger brother of the individual that had gotten, that got overran by Hurricane David. So Bobby was doing or was, he was, he got arrested doing a load or bringing in a load for your mom, right? So he was already there once. he was already there with those guys or with the other crew members and just one just one yeah and then Doug got caught with what two guys two Cubans two two interviews yeah two Cubans an old man and a younger kid okay and the the kid was an uh naturalized American citizen he was Cuban but the old man had to escape from Cuba under Batista he was yeah under Batista and they grabbed him when they grabbed Doug they knew they they you know interrogated everybody and they

they put a, my kid brother told me, yeah, they put a gun to the old man's head in front of the kid. So we're going to blow his brains out. Unless you tell us what the Greengo Cavitan was, what's going on here because they found weapons on the boat. Right. Found an AK and, you know, um,

alley sweeper and, you know, some handguns and that was it. They, uh, they, uh, essentially put a gun to the old man's head and told the kid, you're going to tell us what's going on or we're going to kill him. And, uh,

he said that we were going to, to Jamaica to pick up a load. So they had, believe it or not, they, they hit Doug with a conspiracy charge, which is essentially under a communist regime. That's kind of hard to believe that they need a charge like that. Right. They even need that law. Exactly.

So, you know, the Doug wound up in there. And then he walked in years later and there's, there's, there's young and that kid Dana in in there. A kid Dana tried to kill himself three times. because that's how bad that prison was. They had a 15-year sentence. They didn't think Bobby had a shootout with the Cubans when they got high and passed out on the boat and drifted into Cuban territorial waters.

And they got interdicted by the Cuban Marines. Okay. And Bobby went on deck with an M-16. And they, yeah, they shot him up. And then, you know, they were there for four years before Doug wound up, almost four years before Doug showed up. So. And Jesse Jackson ran for president.

a few years later and got him out wait a minute so he was there your mom was going in every month or so bringing bringing food i did a score in miami right and uh because i was essentially left alone at the time and so when dougie never came back with that load we were with this me and mom and my aunt carol jean and uh of course she had her boyfriend the uh you know the uh the italian kid joey right turner and you know so that was that basically we and so i i uh we only had one more boat and we didn't you know and we we had one boat we needed straps who was up on straps in other words it was in dry dock we we had no way to get it in the water so make a long story short that's i went on the street right so for for about two years there i was on the street

hustling you know and doing crazy stuff on the street and a couple of scores and i gave mom like one score for the for uh uh quite a bit of cocaine um i uh turned around at the king cole over there in normandy island and i uh gave them my mother the uh the drugs and she she she uh you know she got rid of them and this is the grisal de blanco one right uh i'm not sure yeah i they were they were zips that that were we call the sicilians yeah yeah yeah but but the but the old man was the one that the joe paterno one of his soldiers named Tommy, they're the ones that turned me on to these guys. And he just wanted, he just wanted a piece of the action.

So that's what I did. I went in there and, you know, and, uh, went in there with a mini 14 and a high power 9 millimeter browning. And, but of course, it was what I would, I, essentially, I, any kind of, anything like that, I try to set it up. So there's, I really, there's a 90% chance, hopefully that I won't have to. Right. Discharge my weapon.

Right. So I went in, you know, and I got, and I got, and I got, Lucky you got it, you know, walked out with enough cocaine to give to mom that she could continue to pay her $25,000 a month nut that she had to come up with every month on the properties and everything that we owned. And she could fly, then she could fly to Cuba every month and feed those guys. Right. 50 pounds of freeze-dried food that she could have only 50 pounds.

Because basically these guys would starve to death. Yeah. In that Cuban prison. Yeah, it was, it was, yeah, it was pretty rough. Doug was, and they, apparently they used Doug, and I guess some other white guys that were in there is kind of, as like jailhouse guards to watch over the other Americans that were in there. Kind of, kind of like a Cool Hand Luke thing. Right.

Remember Cool Hand Luke, they had, essentially they had inmates in the movie, and they're also acting as like prison guards. Right. so but Doug was in there for a while you know I guess he used a baseball bat whatever with the you know but whatever they kept them in line and uh and then Jesse Jackson ran for president and you know the rest is history that he brought them all out right so you know who Jesse Jackson is right sounds like president to me no so wow so Jesse Jackson is uh Jesse Jackson was a a preacher he had actually studied under or was under um martin luther king right like in all the marches and stuff he was in that whole organization well at some point in the is this the 70s or 80s

early 80s uh let's see 60s because when was martin luther king assassinated no no i'm talking about when he ran for when he ran for president oh uh 74 so he ran for president and one of the big problems with with he got an american downpilot out of uh he got an american down pilot out of russia uh yeah i think so i one of the one of the problems with him is that a lot of the candidates were saying he has no like international experience like this is a civil rights leader like how's he gonna run for president so he goes on this mission and he like gets like a down the pilot like out of russia then he goes and negotiates to get is it 22 or 23 22 americans Americans gets Castro to release 22 Americans that are being held in a Cuban prison.

Two of those, one of them was, was Doug, Doug Hudson, Mike's brother, and the other one was Bobby, what's Bobby's last name? Young, Bobby Young, which is the guy that ends up, is the guy on his case that worked for his mother so they actually um so he he flies in there on his private plane gets convinced his casher let these guys go they load them all up and fly them into washington where they fly flew them into dulls international in Washington DC right and we find out about it uh Joey was the one they come to me because when my mom my aunt caro jean had a RV the RV largest RV

at the time. Fleetwood Pace Arrow, she took that with a diesel. She took that motor home and she drove to Mexico with my Aunt Carol Jean and they loaded it up with pot to the Gills and drove it to Boston and another friend of hers

a famous, pretty famous gangster named Walter Abraham Metz III, aka Howe. right how was how was uh he was kind of like kind of like a father figure figured to me for a while there you know because when we were all when duggy was still locked up you know how i did quite did some things with hal so uh how was in boston and mom and aunt caro jean took the pot up there and then joey came and woke me up one morning because we were living in the house and just me and joey in the house and the shores and says hey the jesse jackson's in in Cuba and he's negotiating for the release of the however many Americans are there and your

brother's coming home. So I called mom and or she called and I let her know. So Joey and I remember they were flying in when they finally, the news media finally let us know when they were coming in. I called Channel 7 News and I said it was at night and I said this is a brother of one of the Americans that Castro released to Jesse Jackson. And, you know, I'd like to know when he's going to, you know, some of the details and the lady there said, this is a night crew. There's nobody here. But the day crew, the reporters and blah, blah, blah, they'll be here.

I said, okay, she goes, I never gave her my name, period, anything. must have gotten the phone number but she turned around she says what's your brother's name is the douglas allen hudson the next morning i'm in the shower they knock on the door with a camera crew and joey let them in which really didn't go over too good with joey's dad right and uh the lady they sent over there was there was a cecilia fernandez their crime investigative reporter and joey led them in the house and once they walked into my mother's home you know jaws dropped and And I kind of steered them into the family room and sat them down and, you know, because my mother, it was rather decant the furnishings and he's my mom. Yeah.

So the Lali crystal and all the giant brass figurines, the shrimps, and, you know, eight feet, eight foot long brass shrimp and the vestibule in front of the, you know, the windows facing the street, the circular driveway, all kinds of, but you know, these, they were literally. kind of blown away by the you know by the they kind of got a gist of what you know they had to know drug dealers they knew something they already knew she was the crime investigator reporter and so i did an interview for just to kind of well by that time joey let them in so you know i did an interview for which the tape which i got years later from a reporter there named sally fits they all used to frequent a club in north bay village which was called uh the runaway bay club and um i saw the her sally fits was a was a was a reporter for channel seven and i got her to get the tape they had taken that tape and they gave it to cnn so i guess it was on

cnn for a couple a couple of weeks or whatever after they came in so who so did your mom and your aunt carol jean went and went and picked him up in the rv they went they left boston and went to Dulls International and picked up Doug and then brought him home to Miami and Bobby was held because he was no Bobby was what Bobby was on on federal he had a federal warrant he had a federal warrant um or was on uh or was under indictment when they when he when he was on the boat and uh so they grabbed they they kept Bobby but naturally uh the rat you know he somehow worked out a deal with the feds and probably told him uh you know all kinds of crap and and uh they they said yeah because you were locked up down there they were they were

pretty uh lenient with him because he'd spend that time in prison cuban and so eventually he shows up at our door uh a few months later but um okay so this is a second time your brother's escaped a prison sentence that probably should have killed him. Yeah. So at I mean so now, but at this point like you guys are are

he comes back. You guys start bringing in you know larger and larger loads right now like now you kind of go full tilt into into bringing in loads from what from Jamaica and and uh,

Columbia? The kid, the kid, my, Dougie brought in another load from his release. It was a little while after his release, a load came in. We brought in a load and then, you know, he, we purchased a condominium over there on the ocean and then, you know, and then, yeah, there was a, and there was more, you know, some more um, um, uh, mischief? What? Yeah. Yeah, some, yeah, once Bobby, once Bobby came down and him and Dougie, we, uh, put together a few deals here and there, you know, and, uh, and then wound up with a problem with a guy and then. All right. All right. So, um, so, you know,

so we, you know, to, the, to, the, to, you know, past all the smuggling. Right. You know, past all the smuggling the guy would turn out to be a problem right and it's it's it's it's it's it's uh public knowledge so this guy winds up dead right and uh but this guy was also talking about uh possibly like you guys figure out that he's talking he's he's been he's been targeting he was targeting known drug dealers well this that individual you're referring to uh that's not come you got it did not come come into the uh equation until years later when i ended up in a state prison in florida see okay this is after me and bobby and duggie ran for a while and were indicted by the in the miami uh city of miami homicide cops were starting to try to sweat us

on a on a homicide right and we uh yeah Is this the guy, okay, is this the guy that shoots at the car? Like, you guys get to an argument, he shoots at the car. I set up a deal for a couple of keys in the, in the lakes. Right. And Doug and Bobby essentially blew the whole thing. They wanted to go themselves instead of me going. And the guy, they brought this guy with him, but they didn't take.

And he essentially blew the whole deal. and almost got my brother shot. Right. Yeah. And by the individual that they were going to do the deal with. And then when they got rid of this guy, the guy that they brought in,

that they should have never, because mom said, stay away from him. He's, you know, he's, no, he's no good. So, you know, I don't trust him. The guy turned around. And when they dropped him off at his rental car, he took his shot because he had a flat tire and they wouldn't help him, you know, fix it.

And he took a shot at my kid brother. so that they were driving away right so he took and that was it so they they uh he got but he went to jail and that's it he got out they they got he got out of jail and they got him to the they got him over into a a certain location in miami and the guy wound up they found him an alligator alley right so that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what sparked the city of miami homicide uh investigation right detectives nelson andrew andrew and John Spear. John Spear was the head of the City of Miami homicide. City of Miami relegated that entire investigation to them and them only. Nelson Andrew was the was the

city of Miami cop that was the head of the investigation when Grisel de Blancel killed all those killed those guys down in the in at the day land mall at Crown Liquors. That was Nelson Andrew was Cuban. He was the one that investigated that. Isn't he is he the detective on on the documentary me cocaine cowboys the same doc the same detective those guys are rats so i don't know about it Nelson was that Nelson was on a documentary about rizelda oh yeah yeah yeah not the cocaine cowboys yeah yeah so uh i remember fabio chow coming to me many a few times after i guess it was men's illustrated article came out about that about that cocaine cowboy uh moving all that he goes who is this guy mike calling me bobito i says i don't there's the

of my knowledge nobody calls you fabito right he goes well i don't know who is this guy i says he's a snitch uh this john rober's guy he's a rat so you know and the other guy that was you know so i says yeah whatever i says you know and he because he had read the he'd read the article and he didn't know he didn't know who this guy is is telling him you know they're telling this this wild bullshit story about fabio you don't know fabio cho you don't yeah so you know you're not uh yeah but i was and i'd read it and he had asked me about about it when we're in in the pen in Georgia right so I have a quote what do you remember when your brother doesn't your brother get doesn't your brother get left in the mountain somewhere is

it oh that was years before when I was still in Arizona when I was in the federal prison can what happened they flew up this time they decided to take a DC3 and fly it down there with Down where? Columbia. Okay. And where else? And the house that I, when I moved into the estates, when I got out of the federal prison camp, that was Bobby Casal. He was a pretty famous smuggler in Miami in his own right.

They flew, they took a plane down to Columbia. And apparently from my kid, bro told me that they had a partner, a guy that lived in Arizona named Chris. right and he was partners with Doug and mom and Bobby on that load that they're going to fly in from Columbia well the federalies didn't get their protection money and when they landed the plane apparently Doug went out in the jungle and uh Doug had to take a piss so as soon as the plane landed he goes off into the fucking jungle to take a piss and they run up on the uh on the and and to a you know, Doug heard shots being fired and everything, and he stayed in that jungle. And, you know, according to my kid brother, the, the, the, the pilot and the co-pilot were both killed.

Yeah, the federalies pull up. So they pull up. These guys landed on a, on a, on a, on a strip in the mountains. On an air strip up there. Right. To load, to, to, to basically load up cocaine or is it marijuana? Marijuana. Yeah, marijuana. And it's like, they didn't pay. And so they pull the pilot and the co-pilot out. you know the plane they're standing there they're like okay you guys didn't pay and they execute them well Doug just happened to be taking a piss in the jungle so he then takes so he takes off and wait you said that the people the guys loading the plane took off too you said the indians those wohitos took him up in the mountains in columbia and he stayed up there for three weeks for three or four weeks and mom's freak mom doesn't know what happened to him my mother was pretty uh stoic

even when he when Doug wound up in prison in Cuba we never knew where he was at for 30 days 40 days I'm like uh yeah I'm I'm I'm a little worried but mom was like stone faced you know she was just and eventually he would get a letter from from from Colby Nado delesta in Cuba so anyway Doug gives one of those Indians a runner a note and he runs they you know it's like uh like the pony express. He does five miles and then it gives that note to another Colombian Indian and he runs five miles

and they get it down to Raul in Bogota who gets the calls my mother and says Doug's up here in the mountains close by where the airstrip was you know and she got a plane in there to get him out so he's up there he loses 10 pounds

he's having a ball though he's chewing coca leaves and you know like the Indians you know And he's up there, but he's got 2.45s, one under each armpit. You know, my kid brother's up there, you know, just waiting it out. And like I said, that's how they got him out. Mom flew a plane down there and got him out. Where the Zips got, where I robbed the Zips? Yeah.

Well, that was while Doug was incarcerated in Cuba. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. This happened before Cuba. Yeah, you kind of touched on it. Yeah. So.

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Miami Beach narcotics on me and they went through an undercover form and tried to set me there for five keys. Right. And mom knew it stunk. He didn't like the way it's, and she says, if we got plenty of money, there's no need for you. But I like to walk around with a big, you know,

you know, back then it was just, so I wanted a little extra cash because I had to go to mom and hey, you know, throw me 50, 20, 30, whatever. And she turns around and says, no, it stinks. And I go in there anyway, and they were cops. so right but you didn't but it wasn't even you weren't even going to sell them coke was it

you were it was yeah because in the in the old days a lot of times what dougie and bobby used to do a lot what we did was we would call it we would gaff you get a couple pounds of sugar and gaff it and you might throw an eight ball in there and then you know right where it's at so you know you you scoop out the the eight ball and if they want to test it they can test it yeah make sure they're not Yeah, this way, this way, we're 99% of it's sugar, but you've got, you know the spot where the ape, where the, where the, where the coke is. So they, they scoop it up and you gap it. So this way, it's anything, anything crazy goes down, you'll know they're not cops. You might, and you might say, hold on, don't freak out, but just wanted to make sure you guys were, you know, who you say you are.

Naturally, the cops come in there and hold themselves out to be drug dealers. Right. And they're not. So you did that to this guy? When, and when he pulled out a syringe to test it. That's when I, the alarm bill went off. So I just put my pistol right up under his jaw and he had a heart attack. They thought it was going to be a slam duck, but I scared him to death.

So that was it. And then I pretty much robbed them for the cash. Right. So. And but, you know, they. But didn't work out. Well, of course. Yeah, you want, so I wound up and, uh, undicted for possession of cocaine.

they threw it out there as a kilo because we're going to do a kilo up front first. But what I wanted to, you know, I wanted to count all the money for the five keys, but they were hedging on that. They didn't have, they couldn't get, they couldn't get City of Miami Beach to give them that much money to bring to me to count.

So we came in, we said, well, I said, well, we'll do two then. See, so let's, you know, and then they, then they essentially got me down to, to the kilo, and I said, okay you know and so uh that was it they brought the cash for a keg and it was you know almost 30 g's so that was it so i you know um janet rino prosecuted me on that case personally so how much time she yet well we were already on

the homicide investigation the city of miami homicide came into that that house were uh that individual essentially was uh we we killed him What they did was they came in looking for forensic pathology, blood, brain matter, blah, blah, blah, and they found a large cache of weapons. Some real exotic stuff, and it took, you know, my kid brother and me years to collect. Mostly my kid brother, so they got my prints on a sawed-off shotgun. Right. And that was it.

They were able to get a warrant out from my arrest for the two sawdaws. They found me in Tampa in a safe house. While Doug and Bobby had jumped Florida and had gone to Tennessee, to another safe house while we're being investigated and followed all over South Florida by these two homicide cops and their crew. So make a long story short, they got me in Tampa here at Tampa and I went to the Hillsboro. They found me in the safe house, the Hillsboro County Jail. Mom bonded me out and I met a young hooker up here and I took her back to the condo

we had on the ocean in Miami and then hung out there for a while. And just kind of, she said, cool your heels, for God's sake. And I had an attorney, Mark Krasno, that represented me in that case. And then they tried to set me up for the, for the narcotics. And then, you know, of course. And then they saw those two charges. They lumped them together and ran a concurrent. It was attempted murder, a police officer, possession of a kilo,

trafficking, trafficking in cocaine, possession of, you know, you know how it is. Yeah, yeah, a little shotgun. See, I hope one of the pellets will stick. See, so make a long story short, that's about the time that, you know, I started going, my attorney was Jewish, and that's when I, you know, started down, and I couldn't get a, I was on bond on the shotguns. I made bond in Hillsborough County Jail. So I was on bond when I flew back to Miami with that, with that girl, and then kind of, you know,

kind of laying low, but, you know, and everything is. you know with Doug and Bobby being out of state now where there's a lot of heat you see plus we're with she's my mom still with the with Joey the the the Gambino captain's freaking kid so you know so we got a lot of heat so calm down trying to take it easy don't do anything crazy but you know I was a little unbalanced at the time you know so I went went for the for the the the the street drug by and they were cops right so they they they ran them concurrent the shotguns with the other charges they ran them concurrent and about that time i started going down to the to the chapel and started you know going down there

with a guy named uh willy who was a cuban he got busted for two kilos so he took me down the chapel and uh went down there and started i heard the gospel and they got saved simple and then wound up uh then my attorney's run janarino's trying to give me 40 years and every month they come with a little bit lesser of an offer. 40, 35, 28, and I'm flipping out and they're thinking, you know, and my attorney's going to attempt a murder on a police officer, the cop's going to test it by.

You, you know, you put a load of pistol up under his, in his neck, put it in his belly or whatever, you know. So their little slam dunk investigation didn't quite go the way they had planned it. so they had a little vendetta and these guys look they try to steal my Rolex when they had me cuffed and all this kind of stuff so to make a long story short the attorney comes to me and he goes uh we're Jewish we don't believe in Jesus but something's going on here she kept coming down you know because he he um initiated an entrapment defense and back then here you got these cops holding themselves out to be under to be drug dealers or undercover narcotics agents and so what he did was he raised that entrapment defense and Reno still trying to step to us

with an offer that was just for me it was just you know 20 years they got down to around 20 she takes a vacation tells her subordinate Sally Weintraub offer him don't offer them less than 12 they'll think they've got no they'll think we've got no case

well Weintraub did was she came to me with five and a half years. Right. Now, I'd already got a year in a county jail. And they dropped some of the charges, and I had to plead to the men, man for the pistol. So I told my attorney, I got a year in a county jail. I'd do two more years for the men and man for the pistol.

After that, the back of the sentence, I says, they're telling me they're giving everybody in the state of Florida 120 to 150 days consecutive gain time every month because of the overcrowding and that judge and had signed that that, you know, that, that, that, that's, uh, that, that's, that's not, to, to start releasing inmates. Right. So I said, he goes, no, we, we got this case beat five and a half years. They don't have a case.

I said, no. You never know. I said, no, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not what God's telling me, man. I said, I tell you right now, that's not what I'm hearing. From the Lord, I'm telling you right now, I'm taking the deal. I told your mom that you're going to be home in two weeks. We're going to trial. Well, a famous gangster from Canada, also another friend of Joe Paternals named Willie O'Brien, also known as the Meatpacker.

He was a Jewish mobster and a heavyweight. He loved me. And we were all locked up in there together at that time. Joe got arrested on a murder indictment. Then they got Obie. O'Bron, Willie, they got O'Bee, and they got one of, a couple of Joe's soldiers. So we're all locked up in there together.

And then Oby went to the Jewish attorney and says, give Marlene back most of that money you gave her. Mike's going to plead out. So the most of that money she gave you, you give it back to her. But he had initially told this a Jewish attorney from Jump Street months before, make sure you do a good job with Michael or otherwise I'll Right

So he's coming to me When he comes to visit me In the Dade County Jail He's all hyped up And really just a real Gun shy and skittish And I asked my mom What's going on

And that's when she came to visit me She says Will Obie told him If he doesn't Do a good job He's going to kill him So I said what are you doing that for

You know Because at the time I didn't really realize, you know, the way things would end up and the way things would pan out. So I took the deal and I did the two, I did two more years on the pistol and then I was, I was out in another, when I started, you can't, you couldn't get the game time while you were doing the men, man, right? Right. And after that, the two and a half years in the back of the sentence, it was gone.

So, and when I, and when I, when I, when I pled, The judge, Ralph Persons, was apparently, and you and I both know that this is a real rarity. He was a preacher as well as a day county judge. So he is always ragging those homicide cops. Don't come in here and disparage that defendant and tell them about how many, tell me about, tell this court about how many people they killed and stick to the issues, you know, and or oh, I'll charge you with the contempt. And then, you know, once I took the deal, Reno, she came back from vacation, found out what Wynetrob had done, but I had signed the deal. Right. It was over with.

And she could hear her screaming in his chambers. They had a sidebar. And they went into Judge's chamber. She was screaming at Wynetraub. Do you realize what you've done? You know, we can't get the mother, but, you know, we had this guy. We had the son, but I was home in 89. I was back home in 89, four years.

well when you so when you were locked up though some detective or was it FBI FBI came to see you right because Dougie and when I was when I was locked up in Baker Correctional Doug and Bobby had split up when they're in Tennessee so they got me first right right then Doug was still on the lamb he hooked up with this one of the individuals that was also an informant and in the federal indictment for the for the cocaine the jumper smuggling yeah that was his that this individual there were two brothers yeah this was the older brother they they killed him in a federal prison in midwest somewhere apparently he was uh i don't know yeah claker yeah they found they hung him in his cell he was a rat so uh like the like the kid brother

they're you know they're their informants so they make a long story short duggy hooked up with the older brother, whatever the nickname, the jumper, because he'd escaped from a few jails, and they robbed a few banks in Jacksonville. Right. Well, I thought it was because he was jumping over the, he would run and jump over the... I guess, because I never knew a guy. Right. I have, I read the articles.

Like, I remember getting the articles. I never knew the guy. I just, I was already, I was already locked up by then, sentenced and up in Baker Correctional. So, uh, they took Doug and put him in prison and on that shootout in New Orleans. Right. So, so... Doug got shot up in New Orleans over that when they were on the run. Right.

So they, he and, he and Claker decided to start robbing banks. They start robbing banks. Then they end up, it gets hot and the banks are being watched and they're concerned. So they, they drive to. They got $50,000 in cash and they go to New Orleans. New Orleans, right. And then Doug was told to get to fly to Jamaica to stay with a big grower that we knew there. Right.

A Jamaican had his own, you know, he was a boss. and Doug, we were real close with him and Doug was going to fly there. Cheney, Chinpo, and you know, Chinese. Anyway, that very night they went out and got drunk and called a cab and Claker got

into an argument with the cab driver and the cab driver took off and Claker cranked off around at him like an idiot. And there were two undercover New Orleans detectives across the street having a drink. And they got in a shootout. Claker laid right down.

he's no killer right you know see and Dougie Dougie had 2.45s and they exchanged a gunfire and then they hit Doug and then Doug took off down an alley and they hit him a few more times and then you know this is it this is a shootout on Bourbon Street on Bourbon Street in New Orleans he gets into a shootout with two fucking two cops and they track him down

in an alley and they shot him a bunch of times right Six or seven rounds, my kid brother's got in and out. But he had a few operations. He had quite a head, two or three. And then when I called home one ninth from the day kind of jail, my mom goes, you better sit down. I got some bad news. Your brother got in a shootout in New Orleans. And I'm screaming, why in the hell didn't he go to New Orleans like I told him?

Or why didn't he fly out of New Orleans to Jamaica? But you could thank that screwball that he was with. See, see, said Doug would have, it might have blown over. see because that's what happened on that on that homicide it's it's common public knowledge the pans of beckia murder that's what happened it blew over they were never able to indict right they never they never indicted any yeah they had the city of miami cops went nowhere with that investigation well the FBI showed up to to talk to you about years years later under the in 2006 and seven and fdc in miami about the bands of beckia murder and some other murders. No, no, I meant I meant you were locked up and they came and showed you the pictures of

the bank robberies. Right, right, right. So they called me off the compound and I went in there and there's two FBI agents and they sit, sit me down and go, what's this about? They go, your brother here. They show me a glossy black and white photographs of Doug standing there, what an oozy. I said, we're drug smugglers, man. We don't, you know, we're not, we don't rob banks. and he slides the whole photo over to me and it's Doug and I'm gonna and he goes well I says what do you want me to tell you I got nothing to tell you well we want to know about this and they got I started going off on tangents about some murders and some other stuff and you know and Bobby and I said I can't tell you nothing all right so during my tenure in 89 well

I was it'd be just before 87 just before I got out that's when the whole Miami Herald the whole one section in the Miami Herald was about Don Aeronaut being killed. Right. And that's when I remember reading that article because we'd get a Miami Herald like a night before they would fly a Herald up there so we would get it the exact day

that the paper came out. And I'm reading it. And small still voice in my ear because it says Don Erano pulled over by a late model Lincoln, dark blue, black, think of Continental or a town car shots ring out the car makes you turn around

Don Aronone's Mercedes and it takes off Well who is Don Arenov's first Most people don't know Well he was the he was the He was the innovator of the go fast boat industry Right essentially So basically the The DEA had been formed

Because there were so many so much drugs coming into Miami At this time And they're bringing in They're using boats that they That they fucking they They can't catch. They couldn't catch the midnight expresses. Right.

And some of the cigarettes, which were modified, they couldn't catch them. So they went to Don Erano. That's when Papa Bush had come down there. And Don Erino built those tunnel holes, those, those cats for the federal government, called the Blue Thunders. Right. When you say Papa Bush, you mean the dad. Right, right. So Bush, Bush, who was the head of the CIA.

CIA at the time. They were all in every, they were in the middle of everything. I mean, listen, we all know. We know everything about them. Look, he came down there, nice little, nice little PR stunt. Don Aaron was going to build boats to interdict the GoFast cigarettes coming out of the Bahamas. Right. That was Willie and Sal.

At that time, they were running, they were starting to run. They were running hard. So, you know, these, and I was, I was locked up with Willie's brother, Gus. So, the Falcone. So, and Sal Magluda. but anyway, make a long story short, yeah, the Aeron O built Aero, no one knew at the time that Aeroon was, had been, either had been flipped,

but essentially when he was killed, when I was up there in Baker, we thought it was, you know, we found, well, they got Bobby. I had gotten out in 89. They didn't grab Bobby until 90, I think. and then they grabbed Bobby for bragging to some. He was under an alias in a prison in the Upper Midwest in Oklahoma and telling everybody that he was a smuggler and a hitman from Miami

running his mouth and ended up one of the jailhouse informants went to the sheriff there and says, hey, there's a guy in here that says he's some kind of famous hitman and the sheriff says boy there ain't nobody like that up here going back to your cell well they kept coming back to the sheriff telling him the same story so they sent the prince down to Miami and the city of Miami homicide says do you know who you got there that's Robert Samuel young and they went up he knows too much about this murder they went up and grabbed him and once they grabbed him he gave it all up well let's go back for a second so so don Air Nose is building

these boats but why was he killed? Like I know you just ran through it real quick for me but anybody watching this doesn't know half of what you see we every week and even at that time when I was already, I was

living with mom and another property that we owned and he called from the county jail she goes it's Bobby. So I got on the phone with him and I said whoa man long time bro. He goes he goes yeah They got me down here in the day county jail

They come up and grab me I was under an alias up in Oklahoma They indicted me on the Don Aerono murder I go you mean the one back in 87 Or uh you know I think it was 1987 And I go I said I said

Don't talk on a phone You know it's okay it's good I got a uh He had some kind of a back Back then they could use They could make a call It wasn't like a cell phone It was like a transponder

That would do the numbers okay yeah something like the the beeps on the he had some way to get out on the phone and then go to we had us go two way with his with his attorney don grant up in fort rotterdale and freddie had died was also his attorney right so bobby starts running telling me about the they brought beny down they brought ben down from leavenworth and uh you know i'm going to take it to the they're going to charge me with the hit because when you back up when I read that article years before a still small voice

had almost like whispered to my ear the Holy Ghost whispered to my ear Bobby did it as hey I'm telling you right now and when I read the article you know I'm reading the article and I'm thinking

just for some reason I get this thought late model Lincoln Continental or whatever you know pulled up next to Don Errono flagged him down his Mercedes and got it right got real close to him i mean as close as you and i are see that's how that's how bobby worked you know he was he was not a uh a pistilero like me and my kid brother my mom could skip a tin can in midair with a 38 she we're all rednecks raised out out

in arizona tex so anyway uh i just had that thing that that thought you know just that this all a sudden it came into my head bobby why i just never never really thought about it uh after that much until years later I'm home and and you know mom says Bobby's on the phone then he starts telling me they indicted him on the murder and then it all I flash flashback and I said holy smoke I just started you know I thought about that that thought that I'd had years before so he's telling me they're going to take him they're going to give him the chair they're going to do this do that little did I know that the state of Florida flipped him and he flipped on Ben Kramer.

They, whom they brought down, okay, but the bottom line is Ben Kramer, uh, contrary to public knowledge, Ben Kramer never was not a killer. He had nothing to do with the Don Aaron O murder. Right. But Ben Kramer was a huge importer or smuggler of marijuana. And he was looking, he had already gotten like, what, like a life sentence? Yeah, life sentence. Right.

Yeah. So Bobby blamed the, said that, that, that he was, that. that Ben Kramer had hired him to kill Ayrnose, but that's not the case. It's not the case. Right. And I had discovery under the federal indictment that Bobby essentially had told, he hoodwinked the state of Florida, and he also hoodwinked the feds. And the feds ran with it.

And it was all bullshit. See? He ran with that narrative. Ben Kramer had hired Bobby to kill him. But why did Bobby kill him? An individual whom I won't name was approached by the Colombians, who's extremely close to me, whom I loved very much,

had finally let me know a while back, this is what really went down. They came to me and they said, your friend tried to rip us off for a couple hundred keys. We found out he was lying to us Now we're going to kill him You mean Aronose Bobby Young

Bobby Young okay We're going to kill him Here's the deal Some of our boats are getting interdicted on the high seas Coming in coming in from the Bahamas This guy that we want him to kill He's the bow builder

And he's glassing in transponders into the boats And So the Coast Guard can grab him Yes. So there you have it. They said, here's the deal. We're going to wash the 200 keys. We're going to give him a quarter of a million. Not the 60,000 that allegedly Benny had given Bobby to kill Arano. We're going to give him a quarter million. We're going to wash the 200 keys. And he's going to kill Arano. Otherwise, we're going to kill your friend. And this individual that I'm, that I'm referring to was incarcerated at the time. So he had to reach out and to Bobby and say, this is what you've got to do. Right.

Otherwise, you're dead. And, you know. And then Bobby waited on Aaroni's and killed him. He killed Aranoe. Yeah. Otherwise, the Colombians were going to kill him. So. And this is public knowledge,

the thing that, you know, like you and I both know, thing that irks me is that the state of florida and and the feds ran with that with that bologna and put it out there as uh as uh you know as gospel and like it was etched and stone well and there's that the book uh speed kills and then they turn that into a movie with uh john travolta yeah right which was all uh they they brought in some actor and and and and and and arano had nothing to do with Meyer Lansky any of that any of that

that that that that that that the craft that they were trying to run by the general public that's Hollywood. Yeah. So fake ass. So anyway, bottom line there you go. And that's that's that's that's that's that's that's

that's the arino murder and you know and and Bobby was never hired by then. Well Bobby goes to Bobby goes to prison and at this point you're your your your your mom's not doing real right like your mom passes away she's uh yeah in 84 she died uh the emphysema so

how old was she 56 56 um man that's young to die yeah you know we are we were very close with sam the plumber to cavalcante that's the that's the he's the mafioso he had his own crew that they modeled the sopranos after and sam and i were having dinner just alone one night And I says, how is it you got, he was in his 70s, you're smoking. He was sitting there at a steakhouse

in, we were off this cane boulevard. And we, he says, come on, come on, Mikey, let's go have dinner.

So I'm over there, we're talking. I says, how is it, you're smoking? And mom, you know, I said,

and you got emphysema. He goes, your mother's got the worst kind. He says, she's got the, you know, she's got the real bad emphysema. And I'm mine.

You know, I can still, I still smoke. stuff like that. So there were several different types of emphysema that mom just had, my grandfather died of it. He was a copper miner in Arizona. He died of it.

So the Mayo Clinic had told mom, she spent a lot of money too with the Mayo Clinic. Going back and forth up there, they had told her that it was hereditary. So. Well, so she passes away

and Bobby gets out of prison, but you're not doing anything at this point. you're you're you're you've completely when i got out in 89 i was i i got a job uh you know when i when i came home mom goes it's not like the old days you got to get you're going to have to get a job right and i looked out i said what you're like working she goes pretty much so i go okay so uh um i got a little a little uh a apartment on the on the ocean and turned around and and for the time being i got a job bouncing at a a nightclub, pretty famous nightclub,

and North Miami Beach called facade. Right. And I went to a tuxedo, but it was pretty crazy, you know, working there. Okay, so. As a bouncer. Right. Well, okay, when I, when we're locked up,

and I don't know where it is in the story, but I want to mention this one story. I almost really want to mention it for Colby's benefit. So you, so I'm writing this story. I'm going to tell you. I'm writing this story, right? And I'm sure I'll fuck it up. But I'm writing this story.

And Mike's telling me about how he's being trained by. Who was the boxer that was training you? Well, I came home in 83. In the federal prison camp, you know, we were, I still had a lot of the steroids, the residual, uh, steroids in my system. So I went in there.

And there's a guy, you know, I had to sell surrender. So for the 90 days that Judge Compos gave me to clean up my fares before my aunt dropped me off in the, in Safford, Arizona, you know, I pretty much partied for 90 days. I just stopped going to do my, my, the individual that owned gold's gym. No, no, this was in Miami. I'm talking about the time you're parking your, your, your Jaguar and these guys drive by. Who was that? Who was? Yeah.

sorry that was there was some you were training with some boxer or something what was it let's back up I came home in 83 from the federal prison camp right Dougie got on the boat Castro grabs him and I I am introduced to Tony Iello who was a lightweight champion or a golden gloves undefeated and he lived in North Bay Village and we became through another individual that was a hairdresser. Anthony was a hairdresser. He also fought.

He was Italian from New Jersey. And we became very close. And I met a lot of great fighters to him. I mean, National and Golden Gloves champions. And we are all a little tight-knit group that lived, you know, we eventually my mom, I wasn't living at home too much anymore. Me and Anthony were training every week. Every day sometimes.

We were running five miles and 30 minutes. So Anthony takes me under his wing and he starts. to train me right so i already knew how to fight but he really honed my skills so mike's park in his his jaguar one day and this fucking uh like a four by four with a like three guys in it drive by there was a dump truck it was a dump truck i thought it was a pickup truck this came boulevard at a at a mall right there across the keystone point marina and it was it was called there was a Kenny Rogers had come out with a rotissory chicken

he was the first one called I don't think they have a cluckers they were good though yeah yeah I got I got the worst food poisoning in my entire life twice from Kenny Rogers really they were I thought they were great I thought they were great yeah yeah

so I would like to grab Katie Rogers by his beard and shake him a little bit but anyway I almost died when the second about a food poisoning they got from that chicken so there was another one that came out called cluckers and it was there and i had a good close friend of

mine named ross that had gotten busted cold embossed with 80 keys when i was he was a valet parker when i got out of the federal prison the prison camp in 83 and he used to watch me and mom and dug pull up to the valet at the place for steak and he really got and got close to us because after After hours, we would go to a lot, there were a lot of jip joints up and down that, up and down that, we called it Gangster Row on 79th Street right there, going from Biscayne Boulevard, over two bridges and into Normandy Island. That little area right there on the Kennedy Causeway had a bunch of real fancy nightclubs and restaurants, and Ricky Carverro and a lot of those guys,

they all frequent in that whole area for years. So, you know, that's where I met Ross. So Ross, when I got locked up, Ross went to, well, I got, you know, became partners with some Colombians. And they owned a restaurant in Normandy Island, and Ross got bused for 80 keys. So fast forward, Ross calls me up and says, let's have lunch after I got out in 89.

Let's say, when I was still a bouncer at Fassad. I got out in 89. He goes, meet me over here at, it was the piccadilly. Right. It was, and, but next door to Cluckers. So I said, okay, so I drove over there, and I'm back in the jagging because it was a European 12-cylinder and it was really, you know, the air dam was so low.

You couldn't get a pack of cigarettes under the air dams, so I always backed it in. These guys came whipping around the corner in a dump truck and, you know, got a little close to me going too fast in that parking area, and I kind of put my hand out and one of them flipped me, gave me the gesture with his middle finger, so Rosser was come walking up, I backed a car and they parked down six or seven cars down or further where they could get that dump truck

and they came walking up, three of them. And I've been partying the night before a little hungover and I stepped to him. Say, hey man, what's up with the, you know, who you're flipping a bird at? Right. And the guy goes, hey, listen, man, blah, blah, blah. One thing led to another

and they kind of surrounded me. And words were exchanged. Ross came up, Ross was no fighter, but he was about six foot six, right? And he's standing in there practically an albino. And then one thing led to another, and I figured they were all going to try. You got three of them, and there's just one of me, so I knocked out Shorty on my right. And then the other two tried to jump me, and I banged them up, one pulled a knife. I took it away from him, banged him up a little bit.

And Ross, in the meantime, just running around, you know, he's just yeasting up the whole situation. and the one, I knocked out another individual, and then the third one, he ran to the Piccadilly, and I chased him in there. I just, you know, by this time, I'm a little incensed. Right. And then by that time, I ran in there, I caught him in there, and I knocked him out in front of about,

I knocked one of his teeth into a bowl of lentil soup where there was six or seven Jewish yentils sitting at a table, and they're screaming, Oi, they, and the general manager of the, of the rest of, restaurants, you know, they watched the whole, the place was packed, but there's an undercover North Miami detective there. But he didn't do a thing. He just came out. He didn't get involved at all. So I walked, Ross ran in and says, Mike, I heard sirens. So I headed back out towards the car and I said, I'm out of here. And Ross says, I'm on a million dollar bond. Please, Mike.

I'll talk to the cops. And Ross taught me into $2,000 bonds. So when they, they, they took me to jail two counts of aggravated battery and when I got down there I called mom she came and got the car and then she says the bondsman's coming down there give him the watch so I so I flipped him the president the role I flipped in the Rolex and then he just bonded me out and that's all right so he tells me this story right that was a longer version but exactly the story that I you know that the part that got me was three guys come up to you on the fucking street on the side walk in the park lot you smash three guys chase one of them into the piccadilly uh that's when he pulled the knife on you took the knife away from him outside of the parking lot he pulled the

knife oh okay i think in the book i wrote that he had pulled the knife inside but anyway takes the knife away from him smashes him in the face right the cops arrest him take him away and i remember when i heard the story not that this is the most ridiculous story like out of all of them there's tons of stories that are just like that's just insane that couldn't happen but I read this I mean like I'm sitting there I'm like did he just say he beat up

three guys on the fucking that came up to him and I thought man that's that's you know this is it's come on stop it row like so this is a it's like a Clint Eastwood movie

an old not the old not old man Clint Eastwood when he was young when he was in his 30s doing these things like and I thought that there's no way but I ordered the Freedom of Information Act and as soon as I had written that and I was right still writing the story

within a week I get the freedom of Information Act and there's the report on the three guys that approach him that he gets into a fight with and there's a attached to it is a transcript of a hearing where there where it's your lawyer is is deposing one of the guys well he did depositions on all of them okay well I remember reading the one where the guy the guy the guy the guy says he says to him he says, Billy Thomas. In fact, you know who gave me Billy Thomas?

Bobby, when Bobby was still in day county jail under the Aerono indictment. Okay. He says, get with this guy here. This is Billy Thomas. I said, okay. And then, not to get off on a tangent. So Billy close me

his fee. And I think it's like 5Gs. And he already knew. He had an idea. So it wasn't, it wasn't more. My good brother for 20 years and, and one of my, my brother, my best friend, Nick Cotron, who was the son of Vic Cotron from the Cotron crime family in Montreal.

And his uncle Frank took over to business, and you see a lot of this on a lot of these documentaries. The Sicilians that came in, the Cotronian crime family, and me and Nikki, Nikki was introduced to me when I came home from the federal prison camp in 83. Nikki takes me to see Jeff Weiner, who was a big drug attorney, and Jeff wanted 20 G's. So I says, okay, you know, so I went back to Billy Thomas and told him, yeah, I want to see that. Nicky took me just to get another opinion in 20G. So Billy Thomas jacked up his fee.

But to make a long story short, so Billy had taken depositions from all of these guys. And they go, they thought they had somehow misconstrued that Ross, 6'6 albino, was me. or they said the guy so their their descriptions of the defendant were erroneous number two he admits to my attorney

he admits to Billy but Billy goes you pull the knife on my client and he goes yeah he clocked me he clocked the one kid first and then he goes there's three you and one of him

and you pull it and so he says yeah he snatched my knife right out of my hand then he knocked my tooth up. Yeah, that's how, so I read the whole transcript, and it is. There's three of them. They approach him. There's a fight.

He hits the one guy. One guy runs away. Another guy runs away. Mike chases him into the Piccadilly. And then I'm reading the whole thing. And I remember reading the whole thing. I'm like, okay, so that did happen. Like, this is obviously this happened.

And in the very end, I'm like, it doesn't say anything about him. His teeth get knocked out. And then at the very last thing is his lawyer says, Do you regret approaching Mr. Hudson? And he goes, he says, of course I do. I'd still have my two front teeth if I hadn't approached him. And I was like, oh, my God, his front teeth did get knocked out. But it was like the last sentence.

One of them landed in a bowl. It was kind of when I hit him with the last shot and knocked him out. Oh, the one guy that was still, there was two knocked out in the park lot. One of them got up, the bigger one. And he ran in and jumped in my back when I was, when I had already stepped to the other guy. the guy that ran in. And I pulled him over my back like a little superhuman, it's adrenaline. I drug him over my back and knocked him out again.

And then the other guy was hanging on. There's a, there's a chrome rail that runs through there. You go through a turnstile. It's like a smorgasbord. You get a ticket. Right. But it's high end, you know, Piccadilly. And I remember hitting him with that last shot and something in my peripheral vision, you know,

in an elliptical path. and I kind of in my peripheral vision it's like a plop noise plop and it's his tooth it went right into a Jewish lady she had her hair up up high in a high pyramid with a bunch of gold pins in it and she screams oi they and the rest of them scream right or rest of the Jewish ladies scream oi they and so about that time I hear the Ross runs in Ross is standing behind me he would yeast he was easing the whole thing up and then uh but ross couldn't fight a lick so he goes i hear the sirens and i know when i was an outlaw biker that was the many fights i got to my got to my harley and got to my hog my chopper and cranked it over no lights and took off every time well guess what

this time i'm heading it's you know i'm heading towards the jag and ross is behind me crying about his million dollar bond i'll talk to the cops and when i accidentally got cut with that knife so i'm showing the cop the knife and or the cops got the knife and i go on with the right hands that can just that can sever your juggler or carotid i says what are you talking about he goes yeah but they're pretty messed up bad because i'm sorry but i'm gonna have to charge you with aggravated battery so there you go then the cop i saw him when i became a roofing contractor i saw him years later did a lot of north miami uh police officers a few of them the roofs he's telling me I'd see him at a bar

I feel real bad about arresting you it's a little late now so so you come you come back you've got you your mom says you got to get a job you end up becoming a roofing contractor right well in order

the state of Florida tried to give me seven years for the aggravated battery okay mom's going you're going to now this time she's pretty sick we sold the house in the ocean now we're over here at another property you're going to prison for seven years for a fight they go mom they're looking up my prior my prior you know there's

yeah yeah and i've only been out so that's what that's essentially what they're the state of forward is trying to run the prosecutor's name was garcia and uh billy kept putting it off he kept getting the continuous getting the continuance and the meantime i'm uh You know, pretty much just on the street, I'm on bond. So, you know, I'm waiting for, you know, things to pan out. We're going to see what's going to happen. And Bobby's calling all the time. What's going on with the aggregate battery?

So I'm saying, we're just going to wait and see how Bobby or how Billy Thomas handles it. So Billy Thomas had, on the depositions, had said, you know, you pulled a knife of my client. And the guy goes, yeah, man, he clocked me. And he knocked my teeth out. or whatever. Every time I would go to court, all three of them were there. And one of them raised his hand in court

and asked the judge, Your Honor, can I, can we, can part of the plea agreement, can we make sure that he can't work out with weights in prison? And I'm looking over at this guy, and I'm kind of smirking at him. And so finally, Judge Catherine Pooler,

1992, we go to court, and Bobby's sitting in there and I knew when we initially got indicted on the when Janet Reno prosecuted me in 84 and I wound up

I met Cuban and a Colombian and the Colombian Richard Carrero he killed a few guys on a drug shootout and then Tito had killed a kid and his girlfriend over two keys. He was Cuban.

But they all got saved at the same time. All of us. So we wound up together in Baker Correctional. And Tito and Richard introduced me to a lady named Judy, who's with the vineyard ministry. So she started giving me some

certain scriptures and like a psalm that I would memorize. So I remember sitting there reading I had a little Christian life, new test. I'm just reading it. And I started going into a church called Trinity down the street from the other property of Mammo. So I'm sitting there. Billy Thomas walks up to me

and this courtroom's crowd. He leans over. He goes, uh, hold on a second. I'm going to pull a sidebar. So he goes up there and I see him go up with that Cuban prosecutor, Garcia. And they're talking. I hear them. Then I hear the, uh,

the, the, the, it's getting, they're getting a little louder with each other. And finally my attorney, uh, you can hear them. And then finally my attorney goes, Your Honor, it got three guys against my client. He admits that a deposition to pull the knife on my client. There's three of them and one of him. He looks at Garcia and he goes, I got a, he says, number one, there's three of them.

Number two, he admits to pull a knife in the deposition. Number three, I got a classic self-defense case here. I'm going to trial. And I get the butterflies. You know, because trials, we want to try to avoid. Right. Because if I get convicted, the seven-year plea offer is out the window, as you well know. Yeah.

I'm thinking, oh, man, how much time aggravated battery in the state of Florida carries a life top? It can carry 15 to life or more. I think it's a lifetop where it carries 15 to some ungodly top like 40 or 50 years. So I turn around and I'm sitting there and then immediately the, Excuse my French, but Garcia bitched up, quick. He looks at the judge pooler. She's looking at him like this, and she's kind of smirking at him going, well, counselor, and he looks over at Billy, and he looks at Billy and like rapid staccato almost like,

at first it was like Spanish, I thought. And then he goes, will your client do 365 days in the county jail work release? And Billy walks back to me, and he says, I go, what do he say? He goes, well, you do 364 days on county jail work release. Right. That way you don't get any good time, right? Well, no. That way you don't go to the state penitentiary.

You do work release in North Miami and a little work release thing they've got there. For a whole year? Do you get good time? You don't get good time. You've got a year. Okay. Okay. So that's what I pled to.

I pled to the two counts of aggravated battery. I walked up there, Judge Pooler goes, you report back here for sentencing in 90 days, whatever the date was. She says, Mr. Hudson, if you don't show up, I'm going to reinstate the plea the seven years plus more for contempt

if you don't show up here for the set. She goes, you're pleading to the two counts of aggravated battery. The sentence is known in the state of Florida as a mitigated sentence. The sentence was mitigated from the seven year original offer by the, state of Florida to 364 days in county jail day county jail work release so i got a job i had to

get a job be on work release right so that's when mom called you know i was i went back i'm living with mom again i went we're at home and she says i got a call from tony spurti was a famous gambino soldier he killed tommy altamure and the place for stake 25 almost 30 years before he's a soldier Dan, being a family. He comes to... He's working for Bob Shepard at Robert Truffing in Opelaca. He met Bob at the Pompano Beach

Halfway House when they got out of the state prison. Tony Spurdy did 25 years. He's the mechanic at all the machines, the blowers and all this stuff, the motors that run the hot tar, the kettles and everything, and the machine, you know, the outboard motors that pumped the hot to the roof.

He calls Mom and tells her, yeah, tell Mike to come down here. on one day and uh bob shepherd will give him a job so i go down there and that's and i got hired by roberts roofing so that's what i and so six months later almost eight months later hurricane andrew hit so everybody in that halfway house that i was at pretty nice place you know you're on a lake you got a color tv air condition hurricane andrew hit while i was in there we went outside on State Road 9 is right there. We cleaned up all those trees that fell down across State Road 9, chopped them up with saws.

And then one day they called us in there and they said, hey, you guys are getting your sentences are commuted for helping out after Andrew. Andrew was such a bad debacle in Miami. You're getting your sentences commuted. Whatever you got, that's it. So I did six months. Okay. And I walked and I walked.

And then you started roofing. I kept working for Roberts and Matthew, I worked for another seven years for at least 25 or maybe 30 roofing companies all over Broward and Day County before, and mom died in 94. And I had to finalize the estate from the, essentially from the scrub that she allowed to become the, the executive of the estate. fought her for at least three years, but I only got the house and everything. Me and Doug divided up the property. And then I mortgaged out the house and became a subcontractor for a big contractor down in South Miami in Kendall named Terry Allen, his super. And then I went and applied in the state of Florida for, you know, to take the exam. But I had to go to a construction college so that's what i did i went to a construction college and in naples and took the exam about

four or five months later and and passed the test and which is extremely extremely difficult the you know state certified contractor was all calculations and formulas and negative pressures and and uh so anyway um how long did you do that uh from 99 late 98 99 got the license until 06 when the feds picked me up in at my uh at the that two million dollar five acre of state at least with an option in southwest ranches so bobby when yeah but but i got into debt so bad right that's why i got back in the boat with bob because they were the the creditors were coming after me for half a million so bobby was released from florida state prison for the aranote murder and the first person he comes to look up is you well from the feds from the feds sorry

he was in colman where we were oh yeah Yeah. When they let Doug go from Louisiana, the, Doug did got 20-year sentence in Louisiana. He did 10 of that when they, when they- For the bank robberies and the shootout. Yeah. No. He got, he did the Louisiana prison time for the shootout. See? Then they indicted the feds, took him up to Baker County where I was at. And they indicted him for the bank robberies. Okay. So Doug pled to the bank robberies, and they ran them consecutive. He did 10 years for the, Doug did. 10 years in Hunt's correctional in Louisiana, then the feds came and picked him up

so he could do his Fed time for the bank robberies, and they sent Doug to Coleman and Bobby was in Coleman. And that's where they put together the, you know, the... Aaron is murder. Well, Arono was, no, no. Erino, that was years before. I'm sorry. They put together the...

Bobby getting out. The smuggling operate. Get Mike. But we, yeah, Mike, get Mike. We got to have, you know. So Bobby gets out. He comes to you. He gets out of federal prison.

He comes to you. 89. 89 says, listen. I'm going to buy a boat. I'm going to, I want to start bringing in Coke from. The Colombians are going to buy the boat. We're going to have to go down there and check out the boat and find the right one. And he took the younger brother of the jumper with.

with him okay and they checked out the checked out the uh a 60 foot sailboat um and a few boats but they they they picked that one the trim ran and that's and they went you know went down there and the columbians uh paid for everything and uh you know um the first a load they the columbians would take a percentage of what we of what we owed on the boat from the back end of the when they paid us for the you know so that that's it. And so you'd bring in the load and then whatever, you know, whatever they paid us, they would take a percentage out of that. So ended up Bobby, you know, had married that stripper from pure platinum. Right. But that's how the, you know, the ex-hooker girlfriend found out

about that that had probably thrown him quite a bit of money while he was locked up. And then he dumped her and married the stripper. And so she got jealous. And according to my attorney, in the federal indictment, she had found out where he lived and gave him up. Let him know, let the feds know where he was living. This is when he jumped to parole in Albuquerque.

Right. Yeah, because when Bobby got released, he had hepatitis so bad, they thought he was going to die of it. So they left him alone. He got paroled to Albuquerque. And, you know, that's when he realized

he thought he had hoodwinked The parole system, he flew straight to Fort Laudan and came to my front door and said he needed to borrow $50,000. I said, I don't have it. It's all wrapped up in the house and the house of the property. You know, I had another house, another property at my mom own and had a pool, you know, and he came, he pulled up and I'm out there. By this time, I got a state roofing certification. He's looking at all the, the jag was in the driveway. He's looking at the, you know, the brand new Dodge four-wheel drives and, you know, and all this kind of stuff.

and you know with the roofing company on logo on the side of the truck and what's going on here I said I got a state license and he needed 50 Gs he says I'm flying to Cali in a couple of days me and Sarah I go who's Sarah he goes oh that's the girl I met I don't know he the stripper yeah and uh anyway so that was it they flew down to Cali and and put it together and then you guys start they got financed by the Colombians and you guys start to you start bringing in the boats right uh capping the um the loads that are coming coming in and out how long does that go on we're going down to the Caribbean it it went you know like uh probably a better part of a year year and a half and then uh that's it the uh you know bobby uh and during the interim

bobby uh you know when that when we when you make that kind of money uh bob that after some that my roofing guy moved out of there moving to her you know so so i had five properties so i sold you know then we went into a uh in oh one they grabbed bobby bobby got wind that the that the the the the uh apparently the ex hooker girlfriend or whatever she was uh this this uh Kathleen kunzig and she had in she had informed she had found out she had informed the uh albuquer federal probation office United States federal court there that Bobby was not

you know as sick as he made out and that he was in now in Fort Lauderdale somehow they got wind that according to my attorney that Bobby was now in Miami and then of course Bobby had rented a million dollar home up in Fort Lauderdale on a on a canal where we could bring the boats in and dock them right there so so we you know

that house was rented and uh she found out the logg she was trying to little do he know that the the feds were now uh his probation officer wanted him to come in and he didn't and they put a warrant out for his arrest and while i'm and i uh i took up with a Cuban girl the beautiful beautiful girl that was a hairdresser and we were in Tampa. In fact, we came to a Tampa on a big hairdresser thing for three days in the convention center up here or something like that. And it was a, they would shuttle you back and forth to the airport and I call Bobby, hey, what's going on? Everything okay and not really, what do you mean? He was doing so much Coke. Right. And bringing in four or five strippers every other night and dropping 20,000 a week

on the hookers that uh yeah and um he's uh he's he's he's getting a little paranoid and a couple of times he's he's uh he's getting so high in the coke he's running around the house with a couple of nine millimeters well this happened on two or three different occasions and uh one of the occasions i'm at a club from the by the old fort apache marina one night and i get a call from the And the stripper wife, she says, you got to come up here. There's two or three girls in the downstairs of a bedroom that are locked themselves in. He scared him to death. He's running around the house naked with two, nine millimeters.

You got to come up here. So I came up there and went upstairs to the loft bedroom and disarmed him. God, he says, is that you? I go, it's me, bro. Give me the gun. 380. And then they had a balcony. So apparently he's having a paranoid delusion that it's like Scarface.

they're throwing a grappling hook up on the balcony rail and they're coming up. So I crank a couple of rounds through the curtain alongside the sliding door. And he goes, did you get him? I said, I got him. I said, I said, stay here. We're going to be and Sarah will get rid of the bodies. So to make a long story short, about 35, 40 minutes. He's in there so high in Coke.

And I come back, it's close and clear. He goes, what did you do with the buys? I put him in my truck. I says, come on out. And I went to Sarah. I said, get every class A narc you've got in here. Everything you've got. Every Xanax, you know, Roofie, whatever you've got.

And we, I pumped him with 10 of them and put him down. Well, you see, and bottom line is she called me the next day. He goes, can you believe he got up the next morning? I said, he should have been to sleep for two days, at least passed out for two days. So this goes on and on. So when I'm up there with, with Anna at the hair thing, at the, in the convention's center. I call him from the shuttle and he goes, I got everything okay. No, not really. Uh, uh, uh, I thought somebody was outside last

night. So I ran outside and, uh, you know, some things happened and, uh, come to find out the things that happened. He ran out there butt naked with two nines and cranked him off in that neighborhood. As you got further down the street, the homes were going for three or four million apiece on that canal. That house he was, that we released was only a million, $2 million home. He bangs, he goes to a dentist's door, bangs on the door, butt naked. The dentist, he says, who's out there?

He says, uh, it's, it's, uh, he helped me, help me. I live down the street. Opens the door and, and, uh, he's already cranked off both clips and the dentist calls the cops. The cops come and the stripper wife goes out and says, we own a charter business down to the Caribbean and we go down there and we're gone for 35 or 40 or two months, how many many days were down there

and we think somebody's been trying to break in and the cops go okay they took the pistols and let Bobby go and that weekend him and Sarah moved out of the whole house he moved into the embassy suites and Sarah went back to her moms

the cops printed the pistols and got the prints and found out who he was Robert Samuel Young jumped parole in Albuquerque New Mexico. So now he's got a warrant. So,

and we continued to bring, you know, we continued to do what we're doing. Yeah, yeah. And that's it. And so they, so he moved, so we went,

we went to Guatemala with, almost two million on the boat to put into a bank, into the bank of de Guatemala. And he had a tax attorney, he started up and paid him $40,000. And it was all, it was all bullshit. They took the,

we went down there, took the boat down there hired another captain out of the Caribbean out of the Virgin Islands to take the boat down there went down there and wait can I stop for a second when he says he he paid so Bobby paid

he paid somebody an accountant a tax attorney a tax attorney he paid him 40 grand to set it up so that he could take cash into a bank in Guatemala and deposit it like hey you know we're going to bring it but don't worry I got a guy.

Give me 40 grand. I've set it all up for you. You can go down there with the cash. But it's bullshit. He just took the 40 grand. He never called. He didn't know anybody in the bank. So then Bobby tries to go in with the fucking money.

Sorry. We flew down there. And the captain, the, the, we hired a charter boat captain out of the Virgin Islands flew him in. He took the boat down to Guatemala. Bobby and I flew down on American Airlines. What year was this? uh

2000 2001 yeah 9-11 yeah so about two weeks before 9-11 three weeks something like two weeks before it we got down there and the boat was at a marina on the on the Pacific side of guatemales we had to take

we had to we were at the we were at the intercontinental hotel in suites each of us had a private bobby and sarah and then i had a suite my own suite went upstairs and uh went to the roof and you know the helicopter came in picked us up and flew us over to the boat

and we took about 400,000 cash off the boat and brought it back so I put maybe 250,000 in my safe in my suite excuse me and then he

he says oh we're going to go to Bangkok to Guatemala tomorrow with the tax attorney set it up we're going to go down there and we're going to deposit the money and so we sat down there in a little cafeteria

having a cafe conneche and i had a i never forget i had uh uh rancho wavos rancheros right and bobby's sitting there eating it's something that he that he ordered i'm eating breakfast because i'm hitting the gym pretty hard and she goes up there with the 400,000 and then walks in there and the vice president of the bank of Guatemala tells sarah signora you cannot bring these kind of money into these country. You have to wait here. I have to go get the Presidente and the security. So we had her own cell phones in, uh, in, in, in Guatemala City. We had her own cell phones. Right. And we got down there. Plus we had a sat phone. So she called him and he's screaming her at the top of zones, get your ass out of there and get down here right now called a cab.

She barely made it out. She came down. It looked like, like, almost like a courthouse. That's what their banks look like, like a courthouse. Right. Crenelated steps going up to the portico with columns. And Banco de Guatemala, she came down there. We jumped in the cab, and we went to another hotel immediately. And that was it. We flew the money back and put it on the boat and sent the boat back across the Caribbean all the way to the island of St. Vincent.

And we were bumped by, then 9-11 hit. Because I remember being up, we were going out and partying at night and, you know, drinking a little bit. But eating real good, don't drink the water. We both got real sick there twice. Yeah. This and Terry. And they had a, they, the concierre at the hotel, you'd call them, they said, we will send us the doctor up now. They'd send up the doctor and she'd give me a shot.

Or whatever it was, she gave me, I was good in four hours, five hours. So, uh, American Air. Airlines bumped us. Then I'm laying there one morning out on mute. I'm watching the two towers. I watch the one tower's burning. I watch the plane flying to the second one. And I'm looking at this. And I'm thinking, you know, and I turn up the volume. And, you know, New York City. This is the second plane. A second tower is just a plane is flown in the second side. I ran down the hallway and banged down his door and woke him up and said, you better turn on CNN. So we got bumped by American Airlines for what? It was six weeks. We were down there because of the curfew. So he, Bobby goes, you got to get us. We got to get out of here. So we turned around and I contacted Hoppitz yet in Fort Roder when they lifted the curtain. And I said, you got three Americans down here in Guatemala City.

Can you come get us? He goes, we got one small leer left and the rest of them are out. He goes, you got the same problems, some other people that we, you know, that we're going to pick up have. have he goes where are you at guatemontal city he goes i'll be there at 745 tomorrow how much 10 000 so i came down there and gave him 10 grand they picked us up the next morning 745 and flew us into fort lauderdale so and uh that was october they uh see 9-11 or uh not 9-11 but uh yeah 9-11 right September 11th We got in there

in the early The second week of October They had Bobby On the end of October Right after Halloween They grabbed Bobby Or before Halloween They grabbed him

They came in the house That I leased up there In Fort Lauderdale Up there in Lighthouse Point A Pomp A Liceice the property For Bobby

How did you find out That he got caught That he got arrested? I was going out with a girl named Michelle by then who had met at a roofing company the second roofing company I'd worked for and what a beauty she was but anyway uh Michelle a little crazy but um and I called she uh you know I was roofing pretty hard I was getting some some pains in my in my you know running down the back of my tricep and you know thumbs and four fingers uh four fingers and

index and the thumbs were getting a little numb so it was like a pinched nerve in my neck, so she sent me to a neurologist, and I went to this on Sterling Road in Fort Lauderdale. And while I'm sitting there in his office, he leads, and I get a call. And it's the stripper, the wife. She says the FBI, the DEA, the United States Marshals, ATF, they came in every window of the house. This is a $4 million home right there on the edge of the canal, right there on the water with about 350 feet of docks. base okay and they we had grabbed them right grabbed him grab sarah and you know the the rest is history he started giving it up immediately he started yeah he started snitching from jump right right there

from jump street and uh i figured when i walked out to the park and i says why are you calling me myself that's the first thing i asked her so i called michel and said uh go to the uh uh called the Hyatt Regency here's my credit card number called the Hyatt Regency and Dave who were going to the Hilton I says we're going to get a room into Hilton for three or four days why Michael I said just do it

so she took the credit card number reserved me a room I went back to the house got the German Shepherds took them to Knowles Animal Clinic grabbed all the cash out of the safe grabbed the gun safe took all the weapons and all the heavy weapons especially and took him to a buddy's house and we put in his attic and I took everything else to the

safe deposit box in the bank in North Miami and then grabbed Michelle or she met me up there and then we stayed up at the Hilton for five days and I waited and called my neighbor when I go out in the boat my neighbor was a Cuban named George and he would come over and feed

the cat. He had a key to the house and always had a key. I said go over and get the mail. He goes oh Mike you he would think I was roofing out out of state or something and And George would, you know, I would call him up and say, anything going on? See, he goes, no, why? I go, well, look.

I see, if you see any cars or anything, call me in my cell. You see any cars pull up in the driveway? Because I moved both trucks. I moved everything, the jag, everything moved. I moved it that afternoon. And I took them to the church and parked at the church park. So then I turned around with big, you know, right there on the big church, Trinity. So I turned around and, and then.

I moved them later, but, you know, I went to the Hilton and stayed with Michelle and waited. And where they grab you? They, they didn't. I waited three or four or five days. And then the other next door neighbor on the right side, she was the mother of the kid that was with Bobby when they were in prison of Cuba. And the oldest son was the one that got lost in Hurricane David. Okay. So they had another son who was a crackhead.

He had been a big smuggler too, but he lost everything and he got on crack. So, you know, I called over there and asked him, hey, see anything weird going on? And he goes, what do you mean, man? What, Mike? He snapped to it immediately. I said, see anything looks like any unmarked cars or anything like that? He says, no, nothing. So we waited three or four days.

I finally went back home. When I went back to the house, and I had the foreman of my two crews, they were running the roofs and everything. I went back to the house and had the call identifier back then and hit it. And the first message I got, it said right there. It was so long, it couldn't even fill up the identifier.

It said, Federal Bureau of. And I went, holy mackerel. What? And then I tried to call the number back. This number cannot be. call back, you cannot call this number, you know, and that was it. And I realized he had called me from the Federal Bureau of the FBI office. He called me from there. So that was it. Dougie had gotten in touch with me, and I let him know Bobby got busted, you know. So that was it. Doug, Doug said,

don't answer any of his mail. I said, I don't intend to. He says, if you writes your letter, something's not right and he started writing me a bunch of letters want me to go down to the Caribbean you want him to go over here and they you know he had close to 20 million 15 million maybe I don't know it's scattered around but I don't know and wanted me to go down to the Caribbean to a to a certain island and grab one of the boats move that boat do this do that and he's writing me all these letters and I know that they're reading his mail and I know that the phones are tapped Right. So from there, I froze on him, you know, and Hurricane Wilma hit two years later,

and I, and I did millions. I did millions when Wilma hit, and then Bobby, Bobby was locked up, and he found out about it. He started sniffing around because Sarah's, the stripper's parents called me. So they wanted to, they called me on several different occasions, and I'm thinking something's not right. They're fishing for him. He's wanting to know once he found out that, you know, what he did, was he essentially he turned around and just gave everybody up on the house just out of spite because he was locked up and nobody else was that's what that's the word that I got right you know from the

attorney well when did you get arrested well I got arrested before the statute of limitations ran out what was that five years five years November 7th election day 2006 south by this time I was in I was was in southwest ranches you know what was the what was the what was the amount of the indictment was the the dollar amount was like it was outrageous it was well yeah they mean they you know what they do they they had them all up they they they they cut it 50 times the feds and then they they multiply it times the amount of grams and a kilo ghost dope right ghost dope yeah so it's some ungodly amount it's like 45 million or something or oh more that was just the amount that was the amount of money that they never recovered in U.S. funds that they thought...

And it's $45, it says like $45 million or something. It's out. It's a fucking ridiculous. Yeah, but they were talking, you know, when I'm reading, when the younger clacker, I'm getting the discovery from the attorney. When I'm reading that, it's, I'm looking at it. It's got to be a typo, 22,000 kilos. So I'm reading the indictment.

And I ended up pleading to the last boatload. So, you know, it was a, a total of the 2270 keys but that but there was no immaterial of you know how many loads were brought in the feds are usually they're they're all an individual account they will have you plead guilty to one count right is that that was part of their deal so it was $45.5 million of cocaine imported of a controlled substance into the United States. Damn. So, you know, yeah, which they didn't have a gram of.

They never had a grant. Listen, they didn't have anything but an informant. Right. That's all they had. Based on uncorroborated hearsay testimony with no evidence. this is what this is our American taxpayer dollars

hard at work well so they grab you you don't go to you can't go to trial because of course not you've got you're going to have Bobby's going to testify and then my attorney was initially with the first one I cut him a check for five figures Eddie O'Donnell he was the attorney

that got famous under the 1980 Miami riot the McDonald's case. He represented the cop that killed McDuffie. They killed the black guy on the motorcycle that tried to run the police officer over. The police officer hip shot, one in a million shot, a head shot. And then that's when they rioted when he got when he, when he, when Eddie represented him, Eddie O'Donnell represented him and got him off. And that's when they rioted in 1980 in Miami. That was he was that was that was that was that's what catapulted him into the Limel, Eddie O'Donnell.

So he represented me initially before I wound up with another attorney for the plea. So you took a plea for what? I pled to one count of the one count. I mean, how much time? Oh, 17 years. But they armed careered me. Right. See, they armed careered me on the guns.

And they careered me under the Career Offender Act on the on the on the on the drugs that they didn't have a gram of. See, so they ran it, the judge ran it concurrent. He hated my case. He looked at that bum, Powell. The prosecutor says, you know, this defendant shouldn't even be in front of me. I know all about your star witness. See, they used Bobby to set up a high season interdictment, and he tipped them off.

He got immunity. He got immunity on seven or eight homicides going back to the late 70s or early 80s. They gave him immunity on everything. see there you see and i think about that benny kramer all all bullshit right right and now bobby thinks he's going to hoodwink the government again so he's going to set up a uh a boat to come in you know with what i don't know however many thousands of kilos on the boat he's going to set that boat up and then they're going to let him walk now he's got the hep C he's not really showing any real signs are symptoms of like a relapse, but that's what killed him. See, the Hep C. And,

um, uh, uh, because he never got out. So he turns around and has the stripper wife tip him off. According to my attorney, but the last attorney that I, that I, uh, that, you know, that I retained, uh, Charles Craig's Stella. So this is Stella. This bum turns around and tells me he knew all about the street. her wife tipping off the feds and then he oh the hooker wife tipping off the feds excuse me and then that bobby had

had had tipped off the Colombians that the federalities were waiting on them so they never grabbed them so their big newspaper their front their faces on the front of the newspaper never happened yeah never happened so

J. Robert Acosta the United States Attorney for the 11th circuit that got depot that they got that had to step down because of the case

with the child molester that had the island oh yeah yeah Epstein Epstein he was the attorney that allowed him to walk from Jump Street

years before and I forget what who appointed him did Obama appoint him I don't know Anyway, J. Robert Acosta was a United States attorney for the 11th Circuit, and he was the attorney at the time when this indictment came down, and he went to Roger Powell, and he goes, hey, what happened to the big indictment?

I mean, the big high-season interdiction, we don't know. They went back in the phone taps, found out Sarah, instead of just going to a pay phone with $50 in quarter, she turns around and goes and calls him from the landline, which is tapped, and says, he says turn around it's a setup federalis so they found out that she had and so they jerked his immunity so what did he get he got a 5k1 on a rule 35 that freddy had dodd worked out for him when he when he started crying about because i got all the discovery from the from from my attorney

and all the letters that he wrote the judge i i did a good thing and all the about being a rat I did a good thing. And now I'm suffering for it. And the government jerked my immunity, Your Honor, and whey, wah, wah, and obohoo, you know. And so Freddie Haddad got him and worked out a deal with the government. Will you give him a 5K1 or Rule 35 if he gives up his wife and all of his friends? There you go. Nobody was in, yeah, but he started, I got the discovery, he started snitching from Jump Street that very day.

how much time did you do total 14 17 years i did 14 and a half 14 and a half went to the halfway house got out six years in georgia in the pen and uh you know got got moved from the low girocho and then uh um who knew bobby right you got moved from the low for went from the media went from the georgia pen to colman yeah from the pen to coleman then you were at the low with me then I wrote this story then you got charged with inciting a riot

with me and the Puerto Ricans and this this this this counselor the day that that senator got shot Scalia and I remember going I worked at

remember I had the job a facility facilities and we got fog so we got sent back fog count i fell asleep and uh fog count oh my god um then also i hear everybody talking about a shooting or something like trump got shot they shot trump they shot trump and i wake up you know to go to go to the rest you know the bathroom when i look up as they go yeah trump got shot it was the senator at that ballgame so i come back i fall asleep and then all said now they're

making everybody go all the latinos go to the computers and then all of this american and and the black and the whites we go into the TV room and this counselor walks in with a big warden her chin and walks up and wakes me up I don't even know her she's on the other side of a C dorm upstairs and she wakes me up and says you got to go into the TV room so I'm walking down

the you know I grabbed my chair and I'm walking down and there was a young kid that was about three or four cubes down he goes Mike they're these feds they're what's going on he says they're they're killing all the feds so yeah i make a comment back to him she turns around and runs to the war i go in the tea room she runs to the warden and says uh you know because when i woke up i heard there was a lot of lockers banging and stuff like this when i was still asleep like i woke up and what's going on it sounds like the portaricans are rioting in

here or something i hear a lot of you know she turns around makes a bunch of lies like the like the the, you know, the lily-livered little chicken shit fed that she is, right, and goes and tells the captain that, that I decided to riot with the Puerto Ricans, like a ball face lie. They threw it all out in DHO court. Right. And then says, oh, when the kid goes, oh, they're killing all the feds, and I go, oh, I says, I don't know.

I says, it sounds like, you know, it's about time they got around to it. I'm thinking that it was, you know, um, maybe a terrorist act of some kind. I wasn't really sure what was going on. So she turns around and flips that and then tells the captain, yeah, he, you know, so they come in the TV room and grab me. And they put me in and put me in there with, you know, they throw it out in D.H.D.O. Court, they put me in there with Spinelli.

And then, you know, so. Okay. Mike Spinelli, he was a Likaze soldier. So we knew each other pretty well. And then, you know, eventually they, they throw it out. And I end up, they said, now we're going to ship you anyway. So they said, they, so I got shipped to Yazoo. So.

Well, I mean, you got out and you went to truck driving school. And now you're driving a truck. I ran a rupee company on this, in the summer 21. And yeah, and then I, you know, I got a good day. That contractor who knew me from the old days. Right. He did a little prison time. So he hired me, you know, the chief.

Cherry brothers and he hired me and I just, he paid for the class B to get reinstated because I had a class B for almost 15 years and then turned around and I decided to get the A, so I got the A and then we drive a, we drive a semi across the U.S. and get caught in snowstorms and all right, listen, I'm gonna, I'm gonna wrap in it. I'm gonna let me wrap this up real quick. You can delete that. Yeah, there's some stuff and we'll delete somebody. all right all right um well one i appreciate you coming by so this is good thank you brother all right um all right hey if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this uh share the video leave a comment in the comment section

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