Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Man Finds Killer Hiding In His Attic

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Starting point is 00:01:24 They know my real name. They know my address. So I contact my buddy from the Air Force. He's like the last comment that was a debt threat came from your IP address. You slowly realize that there's this person actively living in your house. Hey, you guys, a couple of years ago, we had Ellis Jones on the podcast. Now, a week ago, I was on Instagram, and I saw that he'd passed away. I can't get into all the specifics, but it's an absolutely insane story, and we're going to get into it right now.

Starting point is 00:02:00 So I come on your show. The first few hateful comments that I got were like, somebody making fun of me of like, I only had like 75 YouTube subscribers. Yeah. So, but I don't think anything of it, but there's a couple that are like death threats. Like, I'm going to kill you. And I think that they're all written, I think they're all written by the same person because they're all capital, all caps. Right. And they use way too many emojis.

Starting point is 00:02:20 So I'm like, this is just whoever's doing this, it's got to be the same person. Right. This is their style. So they also said in one of the, besides the death threats, they said something about, that I'm, that I'm, was begging you to come back on your show. Ah. I rewatched the episode and I was like, I don't think at any point I even mentioned coming back on.

Starting point is 00:02:38 And like, I know I had sent you a text of like, if you ever want me on again, I'll come anytime because it was fun, you know? Right. And I love the way that you guys put it back together. So, but my thing is like, is this somebody from Matt Cox's camp who's like troll him? I just called you. Like, are you getting anything? Is there anything that said about me?

Starting point is 00:02:56 Like, could he be playing a prank? You texted me. You wanted to talk for a second. And I was like, yeah, what's up? And then you called me and you kind of explained that you'd gotten some text, or some, sorry, some comments. Yeah. That were odd that made you believe that something was something in connection with the, with our podcast that initially you had said, you're going to say, no, this isn't true. But you made it sound like, are you upset with me?

Starting point is 00:03:26 Like, did you? I was just checking. I was following up leads, dude. You know what? Like, you thought, he thought I was leaving the comments. Or, or maybe somebody in the camp was. Yes. I didn't, and you were just as much a suspect as he was.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Everyone called me, and let me give you, he's the nicest guy in the world. Yeah. But I was like, anybody could be doing it because they could think it's funny. Right. Right. And so whatever, I don't care. I just want to know. Let me just tell you, before you get, my own mother was on the chopping block.

Starting point is 00:03:53 Okay. I was like, is this possibly something you think is funny or like, is one of my brothers doing this? Like, who? It's just like when I grew up and used to tell me I was never going to be anything She doesn't have that personality like at all But I was still that's how paranoid it made me because there's there's death threats If you're gonna talk shit yeah yeah when when the when that episode was airing There's people lighting me up in the fucking conversation I got right in there dude

Starting point is 00:04:14 I'll be in the comments on this one right I love it say whatever you want but when you start threatening my life and like I'm Living in the same town with like my niece and nephew and my mom like It can't help but make me paranoid I just recently got more death threats They sent me of dude being unalived and chopped up body parts in a bag. Yeah. They sent you a bag with chopped up body parts. No, they sent me photos of it.

Starting point is 00:04:36 Oh, okay. Yeah, and it might relate to the stripper situation. So you're talking to me about this and I'm like, bro, I had nothing to do with this at all, at all. And you're like, okay, okay, well, and then you said, well, do you know anybody? Because keep in mind, we had been in communication. It's not like you came on the show and you left. you would come on the show, and then when it came out, you texted me like, hey, you know, it's got this many subscribe or this many views. Is that good? You know, and you, which is common.

Starting point is 00:05:08 You know, and then a couple weeks later, you said, hey, were you happy with the way it went? I was like, absolutely. It was great. You know, so, and then when we did the shorts, you were like, oh, wow, I think I sent you the short saying like, bro, this has got like a million fucking views. And then, you know, then of course, as it gets more and more views, you're like, holy shit, it's a two million. It's it. Can we talk about the shorts real good? Okay, sure. Did you go to trial? No, hell no.

Starting point is 00:05:31 You didn't? Guilty as fuck. But you know people who did. Yeah. Okay. And so like a trial in federal court, it lasts probably longer than 60 seconds? Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:05:42 I just wanted to make sure. Because there's a lot of judgmental people who have, who are so moral on TikTok, who had a lot of nasty things to say about that. About a 60 second club? About a 60 second clip. It's like it's a five-hour interview with a three-hour video, you know. Yeah, right. It's funny.

Starting point is 00:05:56 You know, we'll have the stories that have been, they're like a 10-minute story that are trimmed down to a minute long. And then people, because they got a couple of clips, they'll make a judgment call on. It's like, bro, that's not what, just because the clip makes it look like that's what I said. That's not what I said. I actually, you know, this, first of all, it happened 20 years ago. They're like, that can't happen. That's not how they do it. Yeah, but this was a 25 years ago.

Starting point is 00:06:18 I'm telling a story about 25 years ago. Right. So anyway, whatever. People are jerk off. So we're going, so we're talking and you said, you're like, does. Is there anybody that you can think of that would be reaching out to people that had been on your podcast that don't like you or that are trying to dissuade people from being on the podcast or that don't like you, like somebody that would be going after people on your podcast? And I was like, I, and I thought, you know, the only person I could think of was a guy named Jason Votrabeck. I think that's how he say his last name.

Starting point is 00:07:06 I'm probably got it wrong. Sorry, Jason. But doesn't he hate you? Oh, he hates my guts. And why are you? Don't apologize. He's despises me in a way that, like, he brings me up all the time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:16 He hates me all the time. Like, it's become part of his, he's got, he's got a few people that he hates on him. Like, I'm not special. I was special for a while. But he's got, he's breached. He's reaching out. He's breached. Sorry, he's, he's, um,

Starting point is 00:07:27 polyheterous. Yeah, he's, he's expanded his hatred. Yeah. But, you know, he'd come on the program and then he started his own program. And then he decided to go ahead and start, uh, coming after me and making, you know, making, uh, I don't know if it's vague threats, but whatever, he basically just does nothing but bash me every opportunity he does or anybody who cooperate with the federal government.

Starting point is 00:07:50 Or in any way. So the, the point is is that he had. made statements like, like, nobody should go on my program. And then, of course, then he came on the program. But then so he had really, and he had texted me a few times. We had gone back and forth. He was upset because a guy that I had on the program had talked about him. And then he reached out to me to yell at me because this guy talked about him.

Starting point is 00:08:14 Like, I'm like, okay, well, I don't know what to say. This is what this guy said. It has nothing to do with me. But so, and he was, I was like, that's the only person I could think of that has really gone out of his way to kind of attack me and and and and and also has my information and I thought would he go and start attacking people that had been on my program is that something he would do and I thought you know maybe and that's what I told you and you were like well maybe I should reach I said you could reach out to him and ask him like I don't think and you said yeah because I want to get to the I want to know if like

Starting point is 00:08:46 the way that you just said or all that you just said I zoned out because it just sounds like this is high school shit I dropped out of high school because of this kind of shit. So I just wanted to get to the bottom. So I gave you his phone number. Is this a real threat? Yes. Or is this just prison lunch table bullshit?

Starting point is 00:09:01 Right. So I gave you, I think I gave you his phone number or email. I'm not sure which. Maybe I give everything. And then you spoke to him and then what did he say? Oh, I didn't speak.

Starting point is 00:09:10 Oh, you just taxed him? No, I called him. Oh, I just didn't get a chance to talk. Well, that's very much.

Starting point is 00:09:15 Because he loves you, Matt. I mean, he's in love with you. Like, he has an unnatural session. The only person that I can talk about besides my myself for an hour straight to a stranger who's sitting in his car in a gas station parking lot

Starting point is 00:09:28 is like a female like who I've been inside of. You know what I mean? Like, Jason and I were not that close. Well, I'm just saying he's obsessed with you, dude. And he was trying to like get me to, he's like, you got to understand is this guy sitting around at the table listening, listening. He's over here and these people. And then he's running over to the lieutenant.

Starting point is 00:09:47 And I was like, I don't know if. None of which ever happened. I don't know if you know this about me, though. is I don't give a fuck, okay? Because when I was a kid, I went to Juvenile Hall, and I saw kids bucking and talking all this snitch bullshit and flooding their cell out, and I was like,

Starting point is 00:10:02 these fucking losers are going to be doing this shit forever, right? I'm not going to prison. I didn't go to prison. Now, you're a criminal fucking mastermind. Like, I'm not trying to blow smoke up your face. Stop. I'm not. Like, you were doing shit that you were going to end up in prison for,

Starting point is 00:10:15 but you never had that upbringing when I was a kid. Like, you probably at some point didn't even think that you ever would get caught. were getting so good at not getting caught that at some point, you're like, I'm not going to prison. I did. Very arrogant. Right. But if you had gone through what I went through as a juvenile, being in jail, having to have people look in your butthole, like, when you get, you know what I'm talking about? Like, showering naked with other dudes. Like, I'm never going back. Like, I forget where I was going with this, but it's like, you got, like, some people,

Starting point is 00:10:41 this guy's whole identity is still in this, like, like, bro, you're on the outside. There's females. You can buy a lawnmower or start a business. Like, you could do everything, but not this. not politicking about jailhouse shit. It's so corny. Sorry. So anyway, and that's what he did. He talked about it for an hour and I was like,

Starting point is 00:10:58 yeah, man, it could have been this guy, but at this point, I don't think that if he made a death threat to me, that it's something I should be concerned about. No, he's not going to fly to fucking Omaha or Queens to actually kill me.

Starting point is 00:11:11 It's just psychological warfare. And if it is him, then it has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with the hard on that he has for Matt Cox. Yeah. Like, or it's for attention. you know because the whole time it sounded like he was doing a bit

Starting point is 00:11:24 so I was like is he recording this or is like I even get more paranoid I'm like is he recording this and then he's gonna is he trying to get me to bad mouth Matt right and like I don't know you well enough to badmouth you and even if I did say something negative you'd be like I don't fucking know that guy who gives a fuck if he thinks negatively about me like so at that point I was like there's just no getting to the bottom you're not going to get the bottom of this with him where I fucked up was I have a buddy who's in the Air Force he's deployed right now because of the Iran thing Right.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Because I would have brought him. So by the way, to put that to bed, you then called me and told me, hey, this guy hates you. And I was, yeah, I know, I know. You were like, this guy, he just fucking bashed you for a fucking, like he's got, he's got some, it's an abnormal obsession with you. I was like, yeah, yeah, it's fine. I'm like, do you think it's him?

Starting point is 00:12:07 You're like, no, I don't really know. I don't think so. He, you know, he was trying to say, then he was trying to say, no, this is something that Matt would do is blame it on me. And I'm like, I'm not blaming on him. He's the only person I could think of, wasn't trying to get him in trouble, saying, he's the only person I could think of that hates me so much that he might reach out to people and threaten them for being on the podcast or something along those lines.

Starting point is 00:12:28 I couldn't think of anybody. She's just trying to help you out. But the thing that kept me thinking that it was in your camp or somebody who hated you or whatever is like, where did it? Where did it? The thing that, yes, it was disturbing to get told. I'm going to kill you or whatever. But the saying that I begged to come back on the show, I was like, this is somebody who's either in his house. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:46 Or watch the episode. But then I watched the episode. And I'm like, that didn't ever happen. Like when, so where is that coming from? But then I thought about it and I was like, you know, I got a ton of haters. Like this could be an angry girlfriend, ex-girlfriend. Right. You know, this could be one of my brothers.

Starting point is 00:13:01 We've always kind of had the jealousy thing going on. It could be one of my many, many scumbag friends. Like, there's a point in life when you realize you're going down the wrong path. For me, that moment came when I was surrounded by federal authorities and I realized I was going to prison for a long time. In that instance, everything I thought, thought mattered, the money, the schemes, the lifestyle suddenly didn't mean anything. Because when everything gets stripped away, you start asking a different question. What is your life actually worth? And the truth is, value isn't something you're born with. It's not something people hand

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Starting point is 00:14:12 the Air Force. And he's got all the toys, like, all the all the surveillance stuff. I think he works in intelligence, but I don't know. Whatever he does is classified. But he's got all this crazy equipment. We actually shot a hidden camera show at a bar where all these people for some reason hated me. Like just a bar I'd never been to before people started.

Starting point is 00:14:32 He noticed when we were there one time that he had gone in. The people didn't know that we were together. I'm out on the porch with my dog. And the bartenders are in there loudly in front of customers talking shit about the guy with neck tattoos and the dog. and it's like, it's in a small, it's in Omaha, Nebraska. Like, they've never seen anybody like me. You know what I mean? Like, the only people who are as covered in tattoos as I am are jailbirds.

Starting point is 00:14:54 They're not, they don't write books and do paintings, you know? Right. So whatever, he just, he was like, this is crazy. Like, I've never been in a room where people are, like, actively, like, hating on a person that they've never met. You know, he's no means since forever. I actually was kind of like this kid's babysitter back in the Bay Bay Area. He was a young skate kid. His dad was a private investigator.

Starting point is 00:15:16 His mom's a cop. He was starting to get in trouble. And they're like, we don't care what you do. Like, we'll pay you to just take the kid out skating. And he's like, show him how to be a professional fuck up. If he's going to be a fuck up, show him how to not get in trouble while he's out smoking pot and drink. I was sneaking a kid into bars, strip clubs, and he's 17. It was great.

Starting point is 00:15:35 And you know what, though? It scared him straight. I didn't ever put him in a dangerous situation other than drinking alcohol is dangerous. but he saw how grimy the lifestyle can be, and he straightened up, finished high school, joined the Air Force, like, and that's how we ended up reconnecting as he was stationed in Bellevue,

Starting point is 00:15:53 which is south of Omaha. There's an Air Force. Okay, so. Hidden camera. So, yeah, whatever, we shoot that thing. My lawyer tells me this can never see the light of day. You know what I mean? Like, this is like, lawsuit.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Lawsuit all over it. He's like, your media company won't be insurable. Like, you, yeah. I still have it, though. But anyway, I call him because he's my computer hacker dude. You know what I mean? I'm like, can you figure out where these? Because I'd gotten another hateful.

Starting point is 00:16:22 And this one said, I never worked. Are these, are they now, are they comments or are they getting emails? Getting comments on my page. And weird phone numbers sometimes too. They're leaving. I just got another one. I'll show you to you. It's on my phone right now.

Starting point is 00:16:35 It's the one where they sent me body parts. So somebody from a weird phone number sending you text. And it's one of those like untrace. It's like an app or something that generates. phone number. What are those Google numbers or something like that? Yeah, yeah, Google voice. Something like that.

Starting point is 00:16:46 So when you call it, it doesn't go anywhere. Right. Because I'll, I'll take it head on. Like, we're going to talk, you're going to talk shit. Let's talk shit. I had a commenter the other day on YouTube on one of the King Con videos that I shot. And he was going down the line talking shit. And he had just followed me on Instagram.

Starting point is 00:17:04 And I was like, no, no, no, no. So I got on Instagram and called him. And by the end of it, we were laughing. And he was my friend. Right. Like, but I'm not playing that shit. you're not going to talk shit on the internet. And you're especially not going to do it when you're threatened in my life.

Starting point is 00:17:17 So whatever, I get him on it to look into where are these coming from? Like, what part of the world? Because if I know it's coming from Florida, I know the people that could be down here talking shit on me. If it's coming from San Francisco, where I've lived before, then I know who could be talking shit on me. And then I know how serious it is.

Starting point is 00:17:32 If it's coming from Las Vegas, there's some bikers there that I would be really concerned about them threatening my life because they have before. So. So anyway. and this is what you said. This is like a horror movie, right? Because he's like, you need to really assess, like, who's coming in and out of your house.

Starting point is 00:17:50 Because the last comment that was a debt threat came from your IP address. Because he had to give me, I had to give him my IP address to cross-reference it so you can eliminate it. You know what I mean? The phone calls are coming from in the house. Dingo. But I still don't think anything of it. I've had to the babysitter. I've Airbnbed this house before.

Starting point is 00:18:09 Get out of the house. you're such a showman right you know when I was growing up like that that would be the thing they would be like you know they're getting phone calls you know yeah they call the police and they're like we'll trace the call yeah

Starting point is 00:18:26 you know there's a separate phone and that get out of the house yeah so yeah it's coming from my IP address and still I'm like did you think so who was it first person I asked was you call your mom I was like yes you mom no you did not of course and she's like You fucking.

Starting point is 00:18:40 No. I'm like, No, no, she knows, she knows that I'm paranoid. Like, I've got a lot of trauma.

Starting point is 00:18:46 And, you know, to quote Kirk Cobain, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. And somebody blew his fucking head off, okay? Like,

Starting point is 00:18:53 so. So you didn't, so someone blew his. Okay. So you get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:59 So you got her on a headlock. No, no, no. I was like, mom, I need you to just assure me that this could not possibly be you. I need to eliminate you as a suspect.

Starting point is 00:19:09 I will joke you out, Mom. Because if this is going to be a joke, like, it's not going to ever be funny. Like, and I was like, do you think that there's any way that my little brother Eddie or my twin brother, Geary, could have done this? And she's like, you know, they hate you. She's like, I don't even think that they know you went on that show. Like, that's how off your radar you are. That's how few views you got. Hey, look, man, that only, that was the same week that Hock Tula came out.

Starting point is 00:19:33 No one can compete with that. It's fine. You got 40,000 views. And we're happy with that. That was years ago. Yeah, but you got over a million on TikTok. But, oh, no, yeah. No, no, the, the shorts and stuff.

Starting point is 00:19:44 And if you want to, you know, all checks payable to OGA media. And you want to kick that a little. OJ Media. OGA. Oh, GA. Orentil James Media. Yeah, that's what I named it. So mom said no.

Starting point is 00:19:58 So mom said no. And I didn't really investigate, like, I couldn't really get a hold of any. I'd had roommates in this house before, and I had Airbnb'd it. and I've had friends over that I no longer talk to. There may be hard feelings. I don't know. But what, so if someone's doing it from my IP address, right? Right.

Starting point is 00:20:15 They would either have to know it and have some kind of like IP address generator that can like, you know, like a VPN or something. Yeah. Yeah. Like, or what? They're standing in my driveway or they're on the sidewalk out in front of the house getting on my Wi-Fi and leaving these. Yeah. And knowing the, knowing the Wi-Fi password and the whole thing. Like it's an, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:36 No, it's crazy. It doesn't make any sense, right? And now, you should have seen the look on Colby's face when I told him this part. But, like, I'm leaving, and I'm having people watch the house. My house is not, my mom's going to this house. When I'm in Rockaway for the winter, my mom's going in this house. She's making sure that the pipes don't freeze. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:55 Like, my neighbors are keeping an eye on it for me. What up, Paul? And this house is not unsurveiled, right? Yeah. And little things are disappearing. Like, but I still don't. think anything of it. Like I had this like cool little like Chinatown Chinese lantern string out in the backyard in my garden and, and, uh, it disappeared. Anybody could have jumped the fence and stole it.

Starting point is 00:21:15 I don't think much of it. The one thing that I did find weird that I thought maybe my mom had done because she's the only person when I'm not there going into the house. My spatula disappeared. And I still to this day don't know what happened to it, but that there's one thing you don't lose. This is the only like raised eyebrow I had of things like not being where I drink a little too much. You know what I mean? Like, I break stuff. Things disappear. Like, mom will come over and borrow.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Everyone knows where their spatula is. Everyone knows where their spatula is. Spatulas don't get lost. No. Like, no. That's, that's, that's, yeah. I still don't know. I never found it.

Starting point is 00:21:47 I don't know what you could have possible. What I'd be worried about is what he's doing like with the silverware. Like, if somebody could get in my house, are they like licking the silverware putting it back? I'd have to wash everything. I still don't know how this person got into my house in the first place. Now, look. We're assuming someone's in. I know that they were getting back in and out because I have a little dish on my

Starting point is 00:22:04 coffee table that's got my spare house keys in it. Yeah. So the initial entry into the house is what I don't understand. There was never anything that was broken. Unless this person, and they did seem pretty handy, we'll get to that. Like, unless this person broke in to like the basement in the back, that you go to the basement, it goes to the backyard. And that's probably the most secluded entryway to my house.

Starting point is 00:22:25 Like my neighbor would have to be looking for that to see if somebody was back there. Right. And so unless they broke in or, picked the lock and then made themselves copies of the keys so that they could reenter. This is where it really escalates. Like, my attic room is like one of those curved ceiling, little kind of like mother-in-law, cute little room. It's my writing room, right?

Starting point is 00:22:49 Right. And I'm up there after golf, every other summer day, writing. And there's a little, like, hatch. It's like a little door jam, kind of like windowsill trim. And it's just like a piece of wood that you take in and out to get to the attic space that's just, fiberglass. It's just installation. It's an attic, right?

Starting point is 00:23:07 Right. This has been refurbished or remodeled, whatever. That side, raw, still. My dog had been acting fucking funny. Like, about the attic room. And I, I always got weird feelings from it. Like, I would have weird dreams where people that I haven't, that are dead that I know would be in that attic room.

Starting point is 00:23:26 And, like, I'm not saying I'm, like, super spiritual or like, what do you call it? Superstitious or whatever. But I always had, like, I was like, I think this room's haunted. Because then sometimes. My dog would just, like, run up one set of stairs on the landing and, like, just bark, what? Like, bark at the, like, what? I go up there. There's nothing, no noise, no, nothing's disturbed.

Starting point is 00:23:45 Right. And so I'm up there riding one day, and I hear, my dog starts barking, and the hatch is fallen, and there's two feet coming out, feet first. Yeah, it's the, it's the frogger. I learned this on a lifetime movie. Is he coming out? He's coming out. And so he didn't think you're there? No, or he knows, because we get into, I'm getting there.

Starting point is 00:24:09 Like, at this point, I'm thinking, this is when I've just come back from Rockaway. Like, I've just come back from Rockaway. And you're living there now. Yeah, I'm settling back in, you know what I mean? And he comes barreling out. And I'm thinking, like, oh, this is just a homeless person who has been living here when I'm not here. You know, like, and so I'm running out of the house, but to call the cops. I'm going in the front yard to call the cops.

Starting point is 00:24:34 but then the strange thing is, my dog is an Australian shepherd, right? And once he's established that you're in the pack, like, yeah, he will, if we were out here in this, like,

Starting point is 00:24:44 little grassy area out there and we were 200 yards away from each other, he would run back and forth trying to get us to come to one another because it's just hurting nature. And I've seen him, it's happened a ton of times. I've seen somebody,

Starting point is 00:24:55 he's run across the street to somebody that he knows. He's met. He's part of the pack, and he'll put himself in danger to do it. Well, my dog, I keep trying to get, out of the house and I have to have to go back in to get my dog because he's running back to this dude, right? Like, they've met before.

Starting point is 00:25:10 Right. Like, so this, not only has this guy been living in the attic space when I'm not there. He's befriended your dog. He's been living there when I'm there with my dog, and he's befriended my dog when I'm not in the house. Like, so he comes outside and I don't even think I punched him. I think I slapped the shit out of him when he charged at me. And then this guy was like a short, stout little Hispanic dude, and he cracked me. I don't know if you can see this scar on my lip.

Starting point is 00:25:36 They, like, cracked me and split. You know where you split it all the way through? Yeah. I could get a stitch. It was messed up. I went to the hospital, and the doctor's like, oh, yeah, I need to stitch. So you, he attacked. And I was like, a stitch.

Starting point is 00:25:46 He's like, yeah, one stitch. Remember adventures from babysitting? And the kid gets stabbed in the foot. And he's like, one stitch. He's like, yeah, one stitch. So he attacks you. He attacks me. I start running away.

Starting point is 00:25:57 In the house? No, and now we're in the front yard. Okay. Yeah. He didn't take off running? No. This guy, dude, you don't understand. I'm going to tell you some more stuff that I find in the attic.

Starting point is 00:26:07 Sorry. There's, it's my fault. There's sticky notebooks with illustrations. What kind of illustrated? Yeah, I don't know, a guy with neck tattoos. Yeah, this dude was like, I didn't want to tell this part of the story because this is like a male, gay male stalker who's living in my attic and who's illustrating me. He knows what I look like. He's obsessed.

Starting point is 00:26:30 He's got copies of my, he's got the Jason. Vandermort disease. He's obsessed with the man. And he's got misprint copies that were in my attic office space of my books that he's been sitting up there reading while I'm downstairs watching TV.

Starting point is 00:26:46 It's Jason Votterbeck, by the way. No, you said that. I was talking about somebody different. Oh, okay. He's a scary ex-Kine. I don't want him to... Jason Voorhees? You mean from Friday the 13th? Plant City. He went to Jefferson High in Class O2. Yeah, you know him. Yeah, so now, I'm just trying to get away from this, dude. There's a deranged person who's just cracked me in the – I thought he might have broken my teeth because I'm, like, bleeding all over the place, right? And now I wear fruity shirts in the summertime.

Starting point is 00:27:14 Yeah. I just do. I'm from Florida. I like to be flamboyant. I get it. You do? Well, I mean, listen, when I'm not in black, I'm typically in a – in a – in a white shirt. Is he really?

Starting point is 00:27:26 Is he really? He's not. You're not. No. I'm on Magnum P. It's peacocking, okay? Women like it, all right? It disarms you to them.

Starting point is 00:27:34 Yeah. I'm the brightest bird of the bunch. I understand the concept. The male cardinal is the bright red one. The female is just kind of a dingy brown. Yeah. Anyway. So now I'm running away from this guy, right?

Starting point is 00:27:49 And we make it to an intersection. And my dog's like running back and forth between the two of us. He thinks you're having fun. Yeah. Oh yeah. He has no idea that I'm terrified for my fucking life now. Because this guy clearly. really can overpower me.

Starting point is 00:27:59 Like, and I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen. So we run and we end up in like the middle of a, we're on the corner of like a main intersection right by my house. And for some reason, I don't know if he's like a jujitsu guy or something, but at some point he's on his back. He's like trying to take me down to the ground. He's on his back. He's just in shorts, no shirt.

Starting point is 00:28:18 I have basketball shorts and a pretty gay shirt on, right? Yeah. And he's on his back. Like, he keeps trying to like pull my head down onto the ground. Like he's trying to do some UFC. Hey, yeah. Stuff, right. And I'm, I'm cracking him.

Starting point is 00:28:32 And at one point. You can't let him get you unconscious. No, dude. And or ground and pound? What if he does some, what if he does some weird? What a grape soda? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:28:41 Yeah. At one point, he bites onto my fingers. And I'm like, oh my God, this guy's going to bite my fingers off. So I remember my dog was like, I took him to training. Yeah. And when your dog bites you, you, like when they're a puppy and they're teething, you push your hand into their mouth to gag them. And then they eventually stop biting.

Starting point is 00:28:58 Stop biting you. So this guy's, I'm like, he's going to bite my fucking fingers off. Like, these are my writing hands. Like, this is what I'm going to, I make literally hundreds of dollars with these. Like, gag him. So I have to, so now I'm standing on a street corner, gagging the stranger to get him to stop fucking biting me. And the whole time, he's like, his feet are kicking. And they're like, almost pulling my pants.

Starting point is 00:29:16 They are pulling my shorts down. And I'm free balling because it's summertime. It's, you know, a million degrees outside. So I got like a longer shirt on. So at least my genitalia is covered. But when I finally get away from this dude, right? My glasses are gone. Like, I wear prescription glasses.

Starting point is 00:29:31 This had to be the best fight ever. He's pulling your pants out. You're gagging him. Wait till you see. Wait until you see what the cops say. The dogs running in circles. Barking. Yeah, just,

Starting point is 00:29:41 blah, bha, bach, like, I got. He is, you know the shepherd. Yeah, yeah. He was running in circles. And so. The cops? So, no, well, what happens is I finally get up and get away from him. Okay.

Starting point is 00:29:55 And I don't have my dog. on a leash. We've just run out of the fucking house away from this psychopath, right? So, I don't have glasses. I can't see. I'm trying to hold on to my dog just by his collar, and I'm walking like Quasimoto now, bent over, holding a wild Australian Shepherd by his collar, like, you know, and he breaks away from me, and he runs back over there. So now by this time, some of the onlookers who have been watching this fight from their cars have gotten out. There's a Midwest Karen. They think it's a domestic violence situation. Yes, exactly, dude. Yes. There's a Karen who's like, I was like, she's like, you better get out of here.

Starting point is 00:30:28 We're going to call the cops. And I was like, I just came back to get my dog. And she's like, well, it seems like your dog wants to be with him. And I was like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, lady. Like, and when I, so I finally get away and I run into the cops as they're heading towards the scene. And I was like, you got, this guy was living in my attic. He's at best trespassing. Like, he attacked me.

Starting point is 00:30:47 I was defending myself. And they're like, yeah, I don't know. We got a call that two gay guys were fighting. Like, you said, hey. No, I was just like, because the cops said it with like a shit-eating grin on his face. You know what I mean? He's like, yeah, we got to call two gay guys are fighting. And I was like, no, dude, you got to get, you got to come back and look at my house and see that this person is living in my attic or was in my attic.

Starting point is 00:31:07 Like I, I didn't know yet that he had been there for a while and that he made himself like one of those like, you know, the tweakers live in the Walmart kind of, yeah. So I finally get away from him. The cops who had responded to him or had gotten to him down the wall. way, communicate with the cops around me, and they're like, do you want to press charges against this guy? And I was like, fuck yeah. Like, he's living in my attic, or he's in my house, he's assaulted me.

Starting point is 00:31:33 Yes, I want to press charges. And they go, well, he wants to press charges, too. So, like, if you drop it, then he'll drop it. And I was like, we need to go to my house and you need to see this. And they're like, and at that point, they're like, we're going to go to your house, but we're going to cut him loose because you don't want to press charges.

Starting point is 00:31:49 No, I want to, you didn't want to press charges? Of course I want to press charges, but I have to say I don't want to press charges because they're going to arrest both of us. They're not going to go back to my house and see that there's this studio. I didn't know that there's a studio apartment in my attic now. Okay. This guy has built. This motherfucker brought wood into my house.

Starting point is 00:32:07 He brought pieces of plywood to put over the ribs of the attic so that he can walk around freely in there. Yeah, he's got, he's got patio furniture that I thought some neighborhood kids stole. He's got that up there. He's got my Chinatown lantern. That was stole? You were stolen. That I thought was stolen is up there in the attic. He's got copies of my books.

Starting point is 00:32:27 He's got notepads with notes and poetry. He wrote poetry about, or like short stories about my dog and called him Barko, which is like, I think the guy was there hearing me. I used to talk to my Australian Shepherd in Australian. I trained him like, sit a kid.

Starting point is 00:32:41 Like, just a funny thing. It's like a funny bar trick, you know, that my dog responds to Australian vernacular. This dude was like a creepy. I actually put him in, I put him in this.

Starting point is 00:32:52 at the end of this book. This is what you should write. This is, this should be, you should write. Well, no, see, I didn't want to write about a male stalker, so I changed it to a female stalker.

Starting point is 00:32:59 Oh, for God's sakes. I'm not going down in the annals of history about having a, this is better. I get it that some gay guys are really picky, and it's flattering. Like, I got hit on when I was in Dunedinan a few nights ago. Like, I get it.

Starting point is 00:33:12 I still got it. You know, I know I'm a little jowly. I'm, like, I got gray hair, but, so, like, come on. So, anyway, so the cops go back and they see all this. What do they say? They say it's present charge, but by this, or they say that it's trespassing, and I let it slip that I'm not here all year round, and I didn't know that that was something I shouldn't say. Right.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Like I should have said, if I had said, I live in this house all year round, it's burglary of an occupied dwelling. If I say that this is my summer home, it's trespassing in an unoccupied dwelling. It's completely different charge. But they've already let this guy go, and he's out on the street now barefoot with like shorts on and no shirt. he's got fucking ID on him? Do you think people who live and like, did they ID him? That's the thing is I talked to a cop who drinks at the same bar as me and he was like, hey, I think they found your guy because they just had to do a SWAT intervention up the street from you and there was a

Starting point is 00:34:07 guy I live in an attic and I went on the internet and it wasn't him. It didn't look like him to me at all. This guy was living in somebody's attic. Same thing, summer home and he had built a miff lab. Like, you got to think about it. These homeless people up there, it's frozen. Omaha's really cold. Yeah. It's like the tundra, you know, like, so half the year, I think they have like her capita of some of the most abandoned houses. Like, everybody I know is in real estate up there, owns at least a dozen houses. Okay. Like, there's just a ton of unoccupied homes in this place.

Starting point is 00:34:37 So in the rougher neighborhoods like mine, the ones with the yellow sticker, that's where all the homeless people and all the crazy tweakers will, this is the thing I was the most afraid of when I was defending the house next door is I didn't want, and the guy made out like a bandit, The guy who burned his house down. Yeah. He got the insurance money and he sold the house for 75K. Got to keep all that because it settled the loan. Yeah, I've always made money on an arson.

Starting point is 00:35:02 I mean, Oh, good old Jewish lightning. No, but you realize, like, I used to joke about it. I was like,

Starting point is 00:35:09 if things don't work out with this house, because I kind of just bought this house, and I didn't really, I don't really like the town. I don't really like any of the people. Both of my brothers live there. I really get along with them. Like,

Starting point is 00:35:18 I'm going there to summer, to play golf, and basically have lunch with my mom a few months a year. Did they catch an ID the guy? No. He's still out there. He's probably watching this right now, dude. And he was doing all of this commenting, and all the, your show was on there.

Starting point is 00:35:35 Yeah. He watches your show. Like, you have great clientele. Reach out to me. I want to hear your story. We want to hear your story. This is probably a guy that goes from addict to addict. Could you imagine that guy?

Starting point is 00:35:46 Oh, one time I lived in this place for two years. One time I, I don't want to think about it. We could splice your video in. Is what you're saying? Now I'm jealous. Now I'm like, oh, it wasn't because he was obsessed with me. It was. So he's, so the whole time he found an old phone of mine in, uh, in my closet in my, like hallway closet.

Starting point is 00:36:05 And activated it? No, it just connected it to Wi-Fi. It was just a phone that had like broken the screen or something. And that's what he was up there jacking off to porn and stuff. He had to, I, that's another thing that disappeared too. It was like, I have lotion. I get dry. I have been in the, you know, I also.

Starting point is 00:36:21 maybe need to pleasure myself once in a while. Like my girlfriend was coming out to Omaha with me in the summer a lot, but she had a job. There'd be times she was gone. I get lonely, you know. But a giant bottle of Juergens doesn't just disappear. Guess where it was. So in the attic.

Starting point is 00:36:37 So he's commenting on your videos. He's kind of stalking you. He's threatening to kill me. My mom's going into this house when I'm not in Omaha. Mom is going in and he's living in. All alone. She's all by herself. My little brother would drive her own.

Starting point is 00:36:51 over there and he would hang out in the driveway. He wouldn't go in the house with her, but he would just hang out in the driveway just to make sure everything was okay. Wow. So anything could happen. This guy could have been deranged, could have killed my mom, could have killed me in the middle of the night. Is he sleeping in the attic right above me?

Starting point is 00:37:05 Like, I have guns in my house. Is he living, like, he could be living there now. No, I sold it. Oh, after this happened, five days. I put it on Facebook Marketplace. I sold my house on Facebook Marketplace. Yeah. What is this?

Starting point is 00:37:19 A barn? No, it's just like a little. modest midwest. It's kind of like, you know, the townhouse format. What are these houses going for? I bought this one for like 86.

Starting point is 00:37:28 Okay. I think I put like three or four thousand dollars down on it. Like, and I only made like the rent from the Minneapolis property was paying the mortgage on this. I'm getting a tax break. Yeah. You know, and then I sold it and made maybe five grand on what I owe.

Starting point is 00:37:42 So I looked at it as like I rented this house from the bank. Right. And got my deposit back, you know? Like I didn't make money, but I didn't really lose money. You know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:50 My business is paying my rent for, I think I had that place for four years. Did you tell the people that bought it, that it was haunted, that this guy is, it comes with a stalker? I sold it to a young black guy and when. He's like, I wish he would show up here. I wish he would try to live in my attic. This is the thing is that I'm not saying all black people are super homophobic, but, but there's pervasive homophobia in the black community. And I think anybody would agree with that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:15 Like, so. And so I just don't want to, like, you know, you tell somebody that story. Why do you keep going with this as being something homosexual? Like, this is just a weird... He had drawings of me in his... You could be obsessed with someone... Look, man. Like I said, look, like the guy...

Starting point is 00:38:32 Like the guy? The guy that you led me to, to give me the phone number? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Jason. He loves you. Okay. There is some...

Starting point is 00:38:38 He's obsessed with you. You don't become obsessed with a man. Like, I've never been obsessed with anyone other than a heterosexual female because I'm a heterosexual male. Yeah. I don't think Jason is, is gay. I think. Jason is just angry.

Starting point is 00:38:52 And I'm an easy target. So, but anyway, I hear you. That's pretty effeminate sitting around talking like you're at a like a cafeteria table. Like that's what women do. Like anyway, okay, fine. Well, we'll change the subject. So, so, so, okay, so you, so this happens. You sell the place and sold it in five days on Facebook marketplace.

Starting point is 00:39:11 Like, and it was a great deal because the kid was like, the kid who bought it's like, I was like, what do you need me to do? What do you need me to get out of here? And he's like, you can walk out of this house the way that it is right now. I was like, cool. I don't have to worry about moving. Load it up the Subaru. The Subaru.

Starting point is 00:39:27 The Subi. Yeah, I love it. It's like the nicest thing I've ever. I put more money down on that than I did on any of my, well, besides the house I bought straight out. But I love it, man. It's a certified pre-owned. You know, you've got to keep that extra key.

Starting point is 00:39:40 Okay. All right. So while I'm down there, I'm sitting in, I get this apartment like day one, right? And I'm down there for like five, six days. And I'm in an extended stay in North Austin. and this guy, he's like kind of a semi-famous musician. He had the number one song on TikTok and made millions of dollars from it. Wrote a book about him.

Starting point is 00:40:00 We're going to talk about it. He, fucking, the side-eye fucking, you're ridiculous. Are we? If you say so. If you think so. Okay. That ain't no regular. They did something.

Starting point is 00:40:18 The diet. Okay. Okay. So the guy is like having a meltdown on social media, this musician dude. Right. Right. And he posts a video saying he's going to kill him. He's going to unalive himself. Right.

Starting point is 00:40:33 And now, I don't know if you remember from the last time I was here, I had a very good friend. He was a pro wrestler. His name was Chris Canyon. He was the first openly gay professional wrestler. And he was essentially ostracized from the sport because Vince McMahon is a good businessman. He doesn't want to blatantly address. the inherent homosexuality of a wrestling fan. So you can't have a guy who's like gay and open about it,

Starting point is 00:40:59 wrestling and oil with all of his best friends. You know what I mean? Because it's pretty, let's be honest, it's pretty gay, right? So he gets ostracized from the sport. You kind of, I mean, were we not? Is it not? I think it's a point. I think it's a point.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Okay. I think there are openly gay pro wrestlers now, but back then, 20 years ago, I don't think the world was ready for it. All right. So anyway, long story short is he kind of goes in this downward spiral, and when I was living with him, he threatened to unaligned,

Starting point is 00:41:21 himself and I got his phone away from him and I called his mom she intervened and like he didn't do it well a couple years later I'm like doing an art project while I'm answering the phones at yellow cab in San Francisco and I'm drawing pictures of like famous deaths you know drinking yourself to death suicide overdoses like Chris's name comes up that's how I find out about it that he had finally done it right you know he was at his parents house in Sunnyside Queens and ate a bunch of antidepressants So this is important subject to me. You know what I mean? Like you don't know.

Starting point is 00:41:55 You got to take it serious. I know some people are threatening unaliving themselves for attention, but you really don't know if somebody's going to get desperate enough and do it. And I don't even know this guy. And I didn't really even think he was going to unalive himself, right? So I just sent him a little voice memo on Instagram of like, hey man, like stop talking about this. Just to get it over with? No, no.

Starting point is 00:42:15 Oh, okay. You are evil, man. You are pure evil. No one you have this. Sorry. That's not the call I would be. You have to say like hell. Like you are the devil.

Starting point is 00:42:24 Sorry. So, no, I was just like, I don't think you're going to do this, but like stop saying it because it's going to echo. You know what I mean? Like people are going to see you as this attention seeker forever. And he calls me immediately. And we sat on the phone and talked about, I'm not a big fan of his music. I respect it.

Starting point is 00:42:40 But we have, we have very similar influences sonically, you know. And so we sat around on the phone. I'm doing nothing. I just got done what I needed to get done. I got to wait for this extended stay to be up so I can go. back to Omaha and sell my house. So I sit on the phone with him for a couple of hours. And we're talking about records, you know, talking about chicks, whatever.

Starting point is 00:42:58 And at the end of the call, he's like, you know, I was really going to do that. He's like, I know you don't think that I was going to, but I have a bottle of, and I was going to take it. And you're the only person who reached out and told me not to. And I was like, I didn't really tell you not to. Like, I just told you stop talking about it. You know what I mean? And I didn't say shit or get off the pot.

Starting point is 00:43:18 I didn't give him the Matt Cox. talk but um so anyway he's like you know you should meet should meet a good friend of mine i obviously should probably shouldn't say her name but he's like yeah there's this stripper in uh austin that we're all good friends with and yeah i should yeah and i was like yeah that sounds great yeah sounds awesome so uh i call her and i tell her like what's been going on and she's like okay cool give me a couple hours and yeah let's meet up we meet up uh okay well she's smoking hot stripper I mean, not, like, I know you're a married man, but I mean, there might have been a younger Mexican.

Starting point is 00:43:52 Like some guy calls up and she says, yeah, let's meet up. This guy is, she's, okay, fan, a fan of something. Right. Is a fanatic. That's what it's short for, okay? I'm not a fan. I know this guy's music, but I'm not a fan of it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:04 Like, she's a fan. Okay. So don't ask me how, I mean, she's a fan and her, she's, and so he says, you should meet this guy. And she says, absolutely. Yep. Because I'm a fan of you. And they've known each other for years.

Starting point is 00:44:14 Like, he lives in Germany and, uh, her, and her boyfriend at the time had stayed at his house with his wife and stuff like that. Like they have a rapport. Right. Right. And so he tells me, hey, guy, I've never met before. I think you really like the stripper. And I was like, I don't know how you knew I like strippers.

Starting point is 00:44:30 But like, well, yes. You're not going to believe this. I do like shrimp. No, no fact about Elvis Jones loves whores. I really do. I'm like the patron saint. No. You're not wrong?

Starting point is 00:44:43 I'm from Port St. Lucy. Loose cigarettes, loose trucks, and loose women. All right. So we meet up and we have a beer at a bar and then she's like, hey, do you want to just get some drinks and like go hang out in the park? And I was like, yeah, for sure. And I got my dog with me and stuff. So we do that. We go to 7-Eleven and each get a bottle of wine and sit in a park and just talk about shit.

Starting point is 00:45:08 It was a great night. It was really, it was a really awesome time. And right before I was like, she's like, so what do you want to do? And I was like, you don't go back to my apartment or back to my apartment? or back to my hotel and she's like, yeah, sure. So we're sitting there and she's like, this should have been the red flag, right? Like, this should have been,

Starting point is 00:45:26 I should have never hung out with her again. After this, this is not the incident that, you know, you know. Okay. She goes, do you like rough sex? And I was like, not really. Like, I mean, if my partner's into it, then, you know, if it turns them on, then it turns me on. So, sure, you know.

Starting point is 00:45:43 And she slaps me across the face. And then she, chokes me. She grabs me and we're still sitting in like on a picnic bench in the park. Like and uh, and all I'm, this is how much of a, uh, uh, sex addict that I am that I'm like, this just means I'm going to get laid. Right. This is like, it's just going to get weird when we get back to the hotel. Not any weirder than this. Like, how could it? Like, and, uh, so, and here's the thing with choking. Like, I talk about this in my new erotic book that I wrote, um, sexual choking. You don't constrict the airway. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:21 You constrict the blood flow, and it's kind of like the pass-out game. Yeah. Yeah. But she doesn't do it right. She's like, I'm like, stop. And she's just strong. Her job is holding on to a pole. Right.

Starting point is 00:46:34 Like, when she grabs her on your neck, that's like a python grip, you know? Like, so whatever, we, uh, we go back to the hotel and flash forward now. King Con is on, uh, the video chat on my computer. And he's in a hotel in London playing his sitar. like in the book. And now she's dancing naked, doing her job, essentially. She's working for free. And I'm watching her do it.

Starting point is 00:47:00 You know what I mean? Like, whatever. I was just like, wow, I did not see this happening today. Like, I did not think that a semi-famous waning star garage rocker, like, would be on the phone for me with five hours, then introduced me to a stripper. And now she's dancing naked to him playing guitar. Like, it's wild. But she, at one point, she gets, like, real drunk.

Starting point is 00:47:24 And I've been in this hotel room for a couple of days now, I think. Maybe, was it the first day? Or have I been there for a few days? All I know is I had, like, a ton of beer cans sitting on the... You're building a pyramid. Yeah, I got, like, a ton of beer cans sitting on the fucking table. I don't know why. I like trash in hotel rooms.

Starting point is 00:47:41 Like, I understand that. I don't mean, like, destroying them, but I like leaving a mess. Speaking red flags. Yeah, well, whatever, man. I'm sitting around with nothing to do. Yeah, I'm going to drink some fucking beers. So I must have been there for a couple of days Because it couldn't have been that many in one night

Starting point is 00:47:57 Anyway, it doesn't matter But at one point she gets angry and the video chat is still going And she's like, this guy's a fucking alcoholic And she like swipes all the beer cans Like now she's trash in my hotel room, right? And I'm like trying to get her to calm down And I was like That's a week's worth of work

Starting point is 00:48:15 What? Yeah, yeah, yeah You just destroyed weeks for the work! It's my installation art, dude, yeah, Yeah, it was making like a, you know, like a Costco toilet paper roll display of empty Coors likeans. I like to leave a little something for the housekeeper. Like, you could keep, those are worth a nickel each. You know, she could keep them. That's her tip.

Starting point is 00:48:38 So at some point I, like, in the video chat because I'm trying to get her to, like, calm down. Right. And I'm like, hey, let's just go to bed, you know, like, we don't have to do anything. Like, you seem like you slatting around a little bit. seem like, yeah, she had shit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just don't knock any more beer cans over. Like, uh,

Starting point is 00:48:56 because you don't know what she's going to start breaking shit. Then I'm going to have to pay for it. Like, this is clearly an unhinged woman. Like, I've slept next to unhinged women. If she's, if she's passed out, we're good. Like, you know, it's like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Like, um,

Starting point is 00:49:10 so at some point she goes, uh, I just want to let you know if anything happens tonight. I have genital herpes. And I was like, okay. Um, well, I don't. Like, and I'd like it to keep it that way. And at some point she tries to, um, grape me by shoving my flaccid unit into her.

Starting point is 00:49:37 And I was like, no, like, you have to stop. Like, if, and then I tell her just a simple thing. And I told my mom this story and she agreed. Oh, my God! Yeah, we talk about everything. And, uh, she thinks it's hilarious. Um, but I was like, if I had done any one of, the things, any one of the things that she did to me that night.

Starting point is 00:49:57 Mm-hmm. Like, I would be so fucking canceled. I'd probably be in jail. Like, I, she slapped me in the face. She constricted my airway. She trashed my fucking hotel room. And then she tried to essentially, yeah, force herself on me. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:50:12 That's, those are all crimes. Like, and I just told her that. I was like, you're, like, you're being inappropriate. Everything that you've done is literally a crime. I don't care. I just need you to do it. Get quiet and go to sleep. And then she just runs out of my hotel room, like pretty much naked.

Starting point is 00:50:28 Okay. And then guess what happens? My fucking dog runs after her. So now I have to run. You're part of the back. You're part of the back. Exactly. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:50:38 So I have to run downstairs to go grab my dog from a half-naked stripper who's in the hotel lobby. And the lady behind the front desk, I thought she was like going to call the cops or something, but she just had the biggest shit eating. She had the biggest Matt Cox grin on her face. Like just shaking her head at me like you dog. So I moved to Austin. I started doing the book and I started dating this like pretty awesome chick. She divorced A.

Starting point is 00:51:04 This is kind of like always been my thing is like I either have these like younger completely unhinged lunatic women or I have like women who have kind of played it straight their whole lives who are now acting out sexually. Right. So I'm starting this like neurotic divorcee. and things I thought were going good, but she breaks it off of me, right? And so I'm lonely one night,

Starting point is 00:51:31 and I'm like, I don't want to have intercourse with the stripper because she has general herpes. Right. But I'm like, she's still coming around. We were still talking. Oh, you know, I was still keeping the line of communication open, just in case. And plus, like, strippers have friends.

Starting point is 00:51:46 They work with a bunch of other women. Yeah. Like, you know, if I'm her bestie, and I come see her at work, that could go well for me, you know? I've been doing this a long time. You know how it goes. Don't ever be a customer.

Starting point is 00:51:59 If you want to go home with strippers, don't be a customer. Sit at the bar and drink, mind your own business, and let them come to you. Because they don't understand why. They're like, this guy's not getting a lab dance.

Starting point is 00:52:09 Yeah. It's a mystery. You're the mystery, man. It's mysterious. So whatever, the divorcee kicks me to the curb. And I had just gotten hit by a car on my bike.

Starting point is 00:52:19 bicycle. I broke my collarbone. So I'm like laid up. I had this like good, this is a really good luck thing, Austin, right? Like, and to a certain degree, like I know I'm going to write this book about this guy, you know, they're going to sell. I made a couple grand off of it now at this point. I'm, I'm made a good work connection. I'm making a lot of money. Like, I'm going to save money over the course of this year while I'm writing a book. Maybe I'll have something published so that, you know, get the ball rolling on a possible writing career. Like, things are going pretty good. But then there was these like runs of bad luck like my dog was really not responding well to living in an apartment so i found him a new home and i was a little heartbroken about that right and then i got

Starting point is 00:52:56 hit by this car well was that right my bike i broke my collarbone hit my head now i'm sitting laid up you know did they have insurance did they no but my insurance paid for it i have really good insurance and uh yeah because i was on a vehicle i'm talking about that i'm talking about you so you're your vehicle insurance you had my vehicle insurance you had a um bodily injury yeah nice so you go Comprehensive for the certified pre-owned super yeah, you know what I mean So you can sue your own so you can sue your own company your own insurance company Yeah pretty much they hit you and took off they what it was was I was riding down a street that didn't have a bike lane

Starting point is 00:53:30 So I was kind of trying to stay close to the gutter and it was a beach cruiser and you know how those don't really have like a great center of gravity Mm-hmm like so really but okay Yeah, they're not it's not like tight like a road bike right so so the Rearview mirror hits the handle bar on this side the bike the handle bars go like this and I go straight down onto the curb. And they just kept going. And they just kept going. I don't think they even knew.

Starting point is 00:53:51 It's in like an area where there's a lot of bars. So I don't think they even knew what happened. Like, and I'm riding around on an all black beach cruiser at night, you know, like. So anyway, yeah, I do. I ended up getting like five grand out of that for paying and suffering. And my medical bills paid. But I'm sitting around bored, getting drunk.

Starting point is 00:54:10 Like, no dog. Just got, just fell in love, got dumped. Like, got a broken collarbone. My life, I've been in Texas. for like two weeks now and my life is turning into a country song. Okay? Time to call the stripper. Let's go get some condoms.

Starting point is 00:54:24 You've done this before. No, no, no, no. I'm not going to do anything sexual. No. She offered to come over and like massage. I had a lot of soft tissue damage. She's like, I'll come give you a massage. I was like, great.

Starting point is 00:54:34 Can we not have any alcohol? Yeah. Like that was my rule. I was like, I think that it would be better if we do ever spend time together for there to not be any alcohol involved. So it was delightful, man. It was delightful. She herself is a writer.

Starting point is 00:54:46 I read some of her stuff, some of her poetry. It was great. She gave me a great massage. Okay. We watched a Humphrey Bogart movie. Yeah. Nice. It was delightful.

Starting point is 00:54:57 So then some time goes by. I get back together with a divorcee. This is what women like to do. They throw me away like I'm garbage, and then they reel me back in. I just need a sip of this tasty beverage. You know, usually I cut the drinks out, but I think we're going to leave a few days. Oh, you mean this gold in a can? No, he'll cut out you drinking.

Starting point is 00:55:19 Oh, I'm sorry. But you always have a comment to say, so I might leave him in. Okay, cool. Anyways. Divorce. You're back with a divorcee. Get back with a divorcee. We get together for the holidays, pretty much.

Starting point is 00:55:32 Oh, except for Christmas. I got the flu so bad. I'm telling you, it'd be like, so far in Austin, it's been like a lot of really great things happening with these, like, little stabs of bad luck. I get the flu so bad over Christmas. I almost died. I got like a hundred and six degree fever Yeah, I was like hallucinating I was calling my friends

Starting point is 00:55:49 And like saying crazy shit They're like are you on fucking drugs? Like are you alone on Christmas And you're getting high on something And I was like I called him the next day And I'm like no like I had like Fever induced delirium Like it was terrible

Starting point is 00:56:01 Um Anyway I literally has nothing to do with anything Me and the divorce A separate I think I was part of her New Year's resolution Because it was right around the first of the year Okay That she uh kicks me to the car curb again. And then I don't even, so the night in question, I don't even remember hitting her up.

Starting point is 00:56:22 I'm pretty sure she just, she, okay, she doesn't live in, she's not a, she's not a high dollar yellow rose stripper in Austin, okay? She's a daytime stripper in San Antonio. I didn't know that. So whenever she's in Austin, she's staying with a friend of her. She doesn't actually live there. So I think maybe she had had to fallen out with her and just, showed up at my house. And it's the same thing as before. She's being mean. She's being belligerent.

Starting point is 00:56:51 And, uh, she, I'm like, hey, like, you can stay here. Like, if you don't have somewhere to go, like, you just got to be nice. Like, let's go to bed. Right. And, uh, she just won't stop. Like, we're laying in bed and she's like saying mean shit to me. And, but she's like, she's like, she's like, deranged. Like, she's like, she says, she'll say something mean to me.

Starting point is 00:57:12 And then I'll go, dude, you got to, like, like, got to knock it off. Like, I don't let anybody talk to me like this. Like, she's like, this is so us. And I'm like, there is no us. Like, this is so, like, that's the, that's crazy. Like, that's like, this woman might stab me. That's how crazy she is.

Starting point is 00:57:29 Like, and so finally I was like, yeah, I'm going to call you a car. Like, I don't care where you. Just tell me where you want to go. Like, I'll get you a car down the street to the bar, but you can't be in here anymore. And that's when she loses her shit. And she grabs whatever drinks are around, the beer I was drinking, whatever she had brought with her in her little hydro flask and showers my apartment in alcohol. And while I'm like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 00:57:54 Don't hurt me. You know, like, we know she hits people. Like, she just runs out of the apartment. So at this point, I'm, maybe I should preface this by saying I don't sleep a lot. So I'll go to sleep at like 8.30 or 9. o'clock at night and I'll wake up at two. So at two o'clock in the morning, and so my wife sleeps a lot. And so I don't like to get out of bed or anything. I'll just lay there for like an hour and just go through Instagram or answer comments for an hour or two until I get sleeping. I'll go back to

Starting point is 00:58:30 sleep and then we'll wake up and go work out at the gym, whatever. So it's like one or two in the morning. And I'm just kind of swooping through my Instagram. And all of a sudden I see one. that I see a post that says something like you know like like heaven just got a new angel or something it was ridiculous

Starting point is 00:58:54 but I remember seeing it thinking like who fucking died like you know and I look and I was like Ellis Jones I was like but it wasn't it was your real it was you know your name

Starting point is 00:59:08 well no my friends told me that can I talk on this part? Yeah yeah what my friends told me that My friends knew that it was somebody making it up because she called me Ellis Jones. What? Hold on. I got the photo.

Starting point is 00:59:20 Oh, do you have the photo? What was it say? I'm trying to open it or media. Yeah, they said my homie Jimmy from Queens was like, yeah, it was like a picture of you with your tongue sticking out with like Freebird, like Leonard Skinner playing in the back. Okay. Okay, so Colby's going to read what it said. Today, January 14th at 138 a.m. Central Time, Heaven needed another angel.

Starting point is 00:59:50 And our beloved Ellis Jones left this earthly realm. Don't drink and drive kids. Rip Millhouse the most. With Freebird playing in the background. So that post was there, right? Heaven just got a new angel post, let's say. So I read it. I'm like, Ellis Jim's like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 01:00:13 So I click on it to click on your page and see the page. And I'm like, what the hell? So I'm like, what's going on? And I remember thinking, like, this is kind of, this is crazy because obviously you, we were all still keeping in touch with each other. Right. Yeah, yeah. So I then send a text to you that says, so I pull up your phone number and our thing. And I pull it up.

Starting point is 01:00:37 And this is January 14th, by the way. And I pull it up and I say, bro, what's up with the IG page? It says you died. And this is, I'm going to, this is the response that I got. Matthew, we aren't had his friend Annie over. They got into an argument after drinking and took off with a bottle of wine and died 42 minutes later. He crashed his car into an obstacle as LTDPS is telling us. I don't know if you know this, but his appearance on your show brought a lot of unwarranted and unmanageable attention.

Starting point is 01:01:08 I have to think this groupie from Vegas as a result of that. It's only been a few hours and I can't believe it's real. So this is the response I get after I'm asking you so I'm like, holy shit, like I'm thinking your girlfriend has your phone. Like maybe it's a group of you and some,

Starting point is 01:01:23 maybe you and your girlfriend has your phone or in some girl was there named Annie. I don't know. But all I know is you got drunk, got into a vehicle, took off 42 minutes later you're dead. That is some good fiction right there. Now, here's the thing. When she says, I don't, when she says, being on my podcast brought some unwarranted attention and makes it sound like.

Starting point is 01:01:45 She's probably talking about the stalker. Well, I don't, I don't know about what she was. I didn't know that. All I know is, all I know is she's making it, it feels like she's saying something's wrong. Like, this is your fault. Right. And I put, like, I was in some kind of spiral, but we had already talked where you knew that. I know that's not true.

Starting point is 01:02:01 Right. Right. Right. But I know. Like, I don't know why I'm pretty sure I would have told, like, I'm pretty sure she would know that I've had nothing but good things to say about coming on this podcast. So I don't know why she would be guilt-tripping you. She's a psychopath.

Starting point is 01:02:13 Anyway, so I wrote back. I'm sorry to hear that. He did mention that he had a stalker, but he has always maintained that the podcast helped him immensely. He said that his book sales jumped and he received some type of business deal as a result of the podcast appearance. In fact, he even offered to come back on. for a second podcast.

Starting point is 01:02:39 I had no idea that it caused him an issue. And then I put, I always liked him. I always liked you. Thank you. And then she responded. Nate can't say no, and is very impulsive.

Starting point is 01:02:52 He tried to pull a move like he was on his skateboard, and he didn't pull it. So now I guess, now I guess you're, whatever, I guess you got hit on the skateboard? I don't know. I assumed it was a car.

Starting point is 01:03:02 I think she was saying that I was, I don't know. I don't know. As if I was on a skateboard. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. And I put, we were,

Starting point is 01:03:11 didn't pull it, like, I would never say something like that. So I, like, but this isn't you. No, I know, but what I'm saying is like,

Starting point is 01:03:18 she, she's talking like, she's talking like what she thinks that skateboarders, like, who said, didn't pull it? Like,

Starting point is 01:03:25 what is this? Rocket power? Like, I don't know. So I put, uh, we were texting last month and something I'd said, about something I said on a podcast,

Starting point is 01:03:34 he actually texted my producer a couple of days ago. I had said that like, hey, and then I didn't hear anything. And then two days later, you texted me. I'm not dead. A psychotic stripper stole my phone and is causing chaos. Yeah. And I put, well, I'm sure it well, it sure looks like she's doing a good job. So now let's pick up back to where she storms off, you go to sleep. And I wake up and Francis is at the door. And Francis is at the door. Yeah. Yeah. So you wake up in the next to the morning. Yeah. And I said,

Starting point is 01:04:06 Dernia. Yeah. Like, and, uh, . I'd knock on the door. And like,

Starting point is 01:04:12 I live in a pretty fucked up area. Like, I'm not answering the fucking door for anyone, right? Like, and especially, this woman had already just showed up in my house before. Like,

Starting point is 01:04:24 I'm not, I don't know. I don't know who's out there. Is it management? You know what I mean? Is it the police? Is it, uh,

Starting point is 01:04:30 is it the stripper? Um, but something about the knock was like, would frantic or frenetic, like it didn't, it didn't seem like an authority figure or like somebody who was angry. It's like I could hear concern in the knock, right?

Starting point is 01:04:46 And I opened the door, and it's my ex, and she had been in Chicago for work and literally, like, hopped on a Southwood. She, you, my mom, and Francis were the first three people on that fucking story. Like, yeah. Right?

Starting point is 01:05:01 Yeah. That's nice. Which is proof that, you know, that's a bitch. two out of three No, I'm just playing. But yeah, she hopped on a plane to come check it out and

Starting point is 01:05:12 yeah, it was fine. She wasn't even mad at me. And that was the one thing. Once she broke it down and she showed me the She showed me a screenshot of the story because I guess there was a hard post in a story. I'm still putting all this together. I'm still talking to people on the phone to this day

Starting point is 01:05:28 trying to figure out what they saw. Because what she did was when she got into my phone, I sit around with my phone open a lot like at home like I don't have I don't have the pass code on it all the time like I have it set to where it never goes unless I click the side button just I don't know I don't know why bad habit I guess I should stop doing it but she got into my Instagram she was messaging people from Instagram the crazy stripper the crazy stripper yeah she was text messaging people from my phone now when I went to go get my phone records from Metro they don't give you your like all your text

Starting point is 01:06:01 messages they just give you numbers that you that you you corresponded with. It's like the same stuff they give the police. They don't, like, I couldn't get a transcript from them without a subpoena maybe. Like,

Starting point is 01:06:11 I don't remember, but they were like, this is what we print when something like this happens. Okay. And so I had to like go cross-reference my, um, Google contacts.

Starting point is 01:06:19 That's how I saw it was your number. I was like, whose fucking Florida number is this? Like, because you were actually the first one. Like, you were the first person. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:27 Yeah. Um, so whatever, me and Francis hung out that weekend. I got my phone back or I got another phone hooked up. but she had gone through and like, I can't look at the actual text messages, but she had gone through and deleted all of the Instagram,

Starting point is 01:06:44 threads. So I can't see what she's been sending to these people. So I have to do, that's why I didn't get back to you for two days. I had to do days of like damage control, trying to figure out what was said, like, you know, and everybody's like,

Starting point is 01:06:57 everybody's got their story. Like some people were crying. Some people were, I didn't believe it for a second. Like all my male friends were like, this is a crazy bitch. Like, crazy bitch written all over it and they know my history

Starting point is 01:07:06 they know that I have a a problem and that fucking bad bitches is that problem like yeah I don't know what else do we need to I'm sweating telling this fucking story dude this one's like more embarrassing than the fucking the male

Starting point is 01:07:23 stalker living in my fucking attic to whatever happened with the chick have you talked to her since well this is the thing the only thing that I've gotten it's like a hint that she's still out there doing something is I got a call and I would show you the photos but I don't want to traumatize you but I got a call from like

Starting point is 01:07:39 an Eastern European dude who's like I hear you're messing with my girl I don't like when men mess with my girl if you're gonna pay now you're gonna pay for this and if you don't your family gonna pay says all that

Starting point is 01:07:54 and I was like I just woke up crack a noon and I'm like and I'm like I start tough talking him I'm like who the fuck man who the fuck are you dude you know put some base in the voice

Starting point is 01:08:04 Yeah. Yeah. Tough guy on the phone. You think you're talking to, motherfucker. Don't you know you're in Texas and fucking everybody got a gun? Like, you know, like, and he'd already hung up. Like, he didn't even get any of that in. But the next series of phone calls that come, or I get a series of text messages.

Starting point is 01:08:21 And the first one is my real name, not Ellis Jones. Yeah. Then my address to the house in Omaha that I had just sold a couple months back, right? And then a list of about half of the list was. was no one that I knew just with the same last name as me. And then a few family members. Like, like,

Starting point is 01:08:39 they're threatening, like, they, they know my real name. They know my address, which isn't my address anymore. Right. And then this,

Starting point is 01:08:45 like, maybe, like, six or seven people with the same last name as me that, like, half of, I think my, my dad's name,

Starting point is 01:08:52 uh, was repeated on there, like, three times. Like, as if to, like, intimidate me.

Starting point is 01:08:58 Like, we know your people. We know where you live, you know? And I was like, this is like one of those, you know, those bullshit.

Starting point is 01:09:04 Google searches you do on yourself or like a family member. Yeah. And a bunch of a friend you haven't talked to in a long time because you're like, oh, I know that they put people's phone numbers on those. So you can't get in touch with somebody that's like hard. I have a lot of friends who are in and out of jail. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:18 Like if you need to get in touch with them, maybe they got a new phone number. You can Google someone's name and it'll give you like past address, especially they own a home, right? So it was, and then they're never right. They're those click baity sites that like you pay for the subscription and you do it. It's not like public data.

Starting point is 01:09:33 it's like it's just a bullshit site. So you could tell that this guy just did a search on my name and came up with these like, and I told my mom about it. This is how fucked up her sense of humor is. She's like, well, if they're seriously going to start killing people, at least like your dad and your stepmom's names are at the top of the list.

Starting point is 01:09:49 Like, maybe they'll get caught before they, yeah, maybe they'll get caught before they get down to the people you actually give a fuck. The Terminator is just being systematic. Yeah, she's got a dark sense of humor. But then the next text message that comes in is a picture of like a, maybe half black, half white guy, standing in a bathtub. And the dude's obviously holding the phone, and he's got a pistol in his hand, and he's shooting this guy in the face.

Starting point is 01:10:11 And then the next two text messages that come in are the dude's head decapitated. And then like a photo inside of a garbage bag with like a leg and an arm that have been dismembered. Like it looks real to me. I'll show them to you if you want to see him. And that's really the last like threatening thing that have gotten. That could have been. You think it could have been her? That's the only thing you...

Starting point is 01:10:34 I think it could have been somebody who's... You know how women are? Like, when... Not women. Everybody's like this to some degree. If you're scorned in a relationship, you know, you start... A girl was nasty to you. You start dating another chick and you talk about how fucked up this last one was.

Starting point is 01:10:48 And like, it happens to me all the time of women. Like, I feel like I know some of these women's exes. Like, from all the, like, fucked up... They're trying to paint their ex in this bad light. You know, so I'm just imagining that the strippers, they're like, you can get fucking dick. Like, and... But you don't have a relationship with this, no, right, but then that's the thing.

Starting point is 01:11:07 Is, uh, what was it? Another friend of a friend's, like, we had, we had kind of like just hung out a few times. And, uh, or no, no, no, this chick, too, she gets, con gets in touch with her. I don't know how to get in touch with her anymore, but King Con gets in touch with her. And he was like, uh, yeah, she was talking all this shit about you saying like, you know, this dad, the other thing. I don't want to repeat any of it.

Starting point is 01:11:29 I don't put that out there. And I was like, but why? Like, why? What's the point? Like, we barely even hung out. And he's like, she fell in love with you. And she's mad at you that you didn't fall back in love with her. And I'm like, she's psychotic.

Starting point is 01:11:40 She tried to grape me. She tried to, she assaulted me. She wrecked my hotel room. She wrecked my house. She stole my phone and convinced my mother. That's the only person that I'm upset about finding this information. For you, it would have been like, uh, want to go get some breakfast? Like, you know, you know, like, I might as well delete that fucking contact.

Starting point is 01:11:59 Yeah, like, and all my, dude. He won't be back on. Yeah. All my dude friends were like, yeah, this isn't real. He'll be back in a couple of dudes. And then there were a few females who were like, yeah, I was upset. But it also seemed strange. Like, they didn't use your real name.

Starting point is 01:12:13 You know, like, they used an alias in your nickname Millhouse, you know. Like, but my mom believed it. She went digging through. She got my baby shoes out. Like, she went digging through my shit. Like, she laid in bed with the baby shoes crying. Yeah. That's what the stripper did to my.

Starting point is 01:12:31 mother, dude. That's fucked up. I guess it's my fault. You know, if we were in RDAP right now, I would have to take accountability that I would let this... I tried to set up boundaries. Let's talk about some psychological stuff. The Carpman Triangle dramatic situations, okay? It's part of the cycle of abuse.

Starting point is 01:12:47 You have a victim, a rescuer, and a persecutor. And anytime that you engage or play one of these roles, you are entering into a dramatic situation. And the roles almost all always change.

Starting point is 01:13:02 So, like, how did I enter into a dramatic situation here? I felt victimized by my loneliness. I reached out to a stripper to cure me of my loneliness, right? What does this chick look like? Is she good looking? She's pretty hot. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:20 No, dude, she's a four. Yeah. Really? No, no. She's a fucking 11. Yeah. I know that I'm not the best looking. I know I'm not the best looking guy, but I get top.

Starting point is 01:13:31 not chicks, dude. Like the divorce A, L.A. Faced with the Oakland booty. I mean, it hurt. Like, she's a neurotic mess. I feel, I know that I dodged a bullet, but you put up with it. But that butt, dude, I miss her butt more than I miss her. Like, it sucks.

Starting point is 01:13:47 But whatever. Is that? We pretty much cover everything. So you have a, uh, so you have a homeless, Mexican guy. He could have been Guatemalan. Guatemalan. He doesn't have to be Mexican.

Starting point is 01:14:00 South American. South American man. Hispanic. I'm thinking illegal. I'm thinking he's illegal. Yeah, where was I saying? On the loose. And you got a stripper on the loose.

Starting point is 01:14:10 Yeah, both. But it's cool because I got a gun and they don't have a, you don't have to have a... Why don't you think it might have been the Guatemalan that sent you the chopped up body parts? It could have been. But how would he have my phone number? He was using your phone. I mean, he had all your information before. He knows everything about you.

Starting point is 01:14:26 That's true. He's looked deeply. He's deeply into those brown eyes. He got lost in those brown eyes. My eyes are green, but whatever. Not in the drawings. They're brown. Not in the drawings.

Starting point is 01:14:38 But what's the point? You know, I'm doing this whole pen name for my books and like, come on your show with like, not my real name. Didn't do any good. He had access to your house and all your stuff. And I just wonder how this guy found me. That's what I'm saying. Like, the paranoia is like.

Starting point is 01:14:52 I'm assuming mail is coming to the house in your real name. Yeah. So he knows your real name. He's probably, he probably tracked you down. I've got a phone number or two. He knows some stuff. But he's probably on to his next victim, though. He wouldn't know.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Well, he didn't know. That's a good point, actually. He might be honest with something, man, because he gave the, he sent me the Omaha address. We need a. He would not have known that I sold that house, especially that quickly. And what do they call these guys, Froggers? Froggers, yeah. We live in your house when you live there.

Starting point is 01:15:23 There was, I watched a whole lifetime, you know, lifetime, like the women's TV. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's like, it's a thing. It's a thing. creepy dudes do. Was it like somebody killed? Was it like a lifetime thing?

Starting point is 01:15:33 Somebody killed? Was it like kids that were living in the houses? I don't think that anybody gets killed in the one that I saw. I think it's just that it's a psychologically, like, fucked up situation that you're in where you slowly realize that there's this person actively living in your house. What I want to know is like, there would be times, I'm living like a fucking retiree mat.

Starting point is 01:15:53 Like, if it's raining, I'm not going to the golf course. I'm not going anywhere. Like, all I'm literally doing is waking up. having breakfast and coffee, playing golf, you know, 18, 27, 36 holes,

Starting point is 01:16:06 like, and then I'm coming home. If I'm not playing golf, I'm not doing anything. I'm at home the whole time. What is this motherfucker doing in a sweltering attic?

Starting point is 01:16:16 Well, he's Guatemalan. It's not a big deal. It's, he's used to the heat. I do not. None of the views and opinions of this.

Starting point is 01:16:22 And he's probably peeing. He's probably got a little plastic bottle. He's peeing in. There were pee bottles up there. There were pee bottles. Yeah. There was pee bottles. What I don't get.

Starting point is 01:16:29 is that he kicked the door, he kicked the thing open, like you're there, he kicked it in and just, it's like he finally snapped and said, that's it, I have to attack him. I don't get it either.

Starting point is 01:16:38 You know, like, why, wait, why that moment? I don't know. I wonder if I was already talking about selling the house. Like, everything's kind of been a blur

Starting point is 01:16:48 since I moved down to Austin. It all happened so quick that I don't remember like the timeline, but I wonder if maybe, because clearly there was stuff written in these, I should publish these notebooks. I still have,

Starting point is 01:16:58 Well, my mom still has them. But I remember I caught her reading them, and she's like, this is wild. What do you mean? He wrote, no. He had, like, journals in the attic drawing. I told you, he had, like, crazy shit. There's like a... Do you have any of them?

Starting point is 01:17:14 No, but I took one of the stories out and put it in this book. He wrote a story? About my dog. About my dog's a character. He named him Barko. Is it in this? I mean, this is... This is...

Starting point is 01:17:32 Good stuff. Yeah, he wrote a short story called The Order of the Silver Moon in the Heart of a Haunted Forest. And so he could, and mystery. Yeah. Okay, so he's not South American. He's writing in English, right? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:44 I mean, well, he's not a South American national. I'm just saying he was a Mayan-looking dude. You know what I mean? Like, not that it would have made any difference, whatever color is just,

Starting point is 01:17:55 I'm just giving a description out there to the people. Like, if you see him living in your attic. You racist prick? Oh, fine. I'm saying he can't. I'm saying he's South American. He can't even spell.

Starting point is 01:18:06 I just didn't think it would get any worse. After, like, I figured once, all I had to do was survive the fight until the cop showed up. And I would be like, let him go. Where is this? Omaha, Nebraska. The laziest fucking police. Fucking ridiculous. The police department I've ever.

Starting point is 01:18:24 Although I did get out of a DUI one night. Which sometimes it worked a year advantage. Yeah, well, I, you know, I wasn't that drunk, but I had been driving with some. alcohol in my system, and I was speeding. And the cops were like, uh, what's, what's up?

Starting point is 01:18:37 Like, we were following you for a while. And I was like, yeah, I just got this certified pre-owned Subaru. And I just, I were like, we were noticing.

Starting point is 01:18:46 Yeah. It's nice. Yeah. I was just like, I wanted to see what it could do. And he's like, and he like threw my registration back at me. You said,

Starting point is 01:18:53 I hear you, bro. And here's another thing too is like, I'm not, I'm used to having like, like, like, I think part of the reason I mentioned that,

Starting point is 01:18:59 um, the hidden camera thing that we shot is that, that my buddy who I've known since he was a teenager, right? He couldn't believe that people were paying so much fucking attention to me in this town. And I do have other kind of like quasi stalkers there.

Starting point is 01:19:13 Like part of what that last character in this new novel is based on is there's a number of women that I've hooked up with who like, I caught one of them driving by my house when she had no reason to, which is like, I mean, she literally has no reason. She would, where I was staying at the time,

Starting point is 01:19:27 she would have had to go out of her way to go there. There would be nothing she would be doing over in this area. It's not that crazy. But then there was another chick who, every time I would come back to this town, she would mysteriously show up at the, I'd go see this one bartender,

Starting point is 01:19:42 older lady named Candy, what are Katie? And I would just go, she was like the only person who was nice to me in this town. So I would just go say, what's up, eat some popcorn, play some Kino. And she's like,

Starting point is 01:19:52 that girl never comes here. She never comes here. And then you show up, and it's like she has somebody here, and I even almost sometimes wonder if candy was tipping her on. But she's like, she has somebody who comes in this bar that knows who you are and knows that you know her. And she shows up every single time you come back to town.

Starting point is 01:20:11 Is it possible she sees the certified pre-owned Subaru in the parking lot? No, because I don't generally drive when I go over there because I don't drink and drive. Right. So like if I'm going to go over there and get a buzz, I'm going to take an Uber. Right. But, yeah. And actually the night that the cops let me go in the certified pre-owned Subaru, I, I, I, I, I did go over to the bar right after that.

Starting point is 01:20:33 And she was there. And she threw a beer all over me. I don't know. Like, I, I, I forget what the phenomenon is, but there's,

Starting point is 01:20:43 there's, like, this disorder that people get, where they, like, latch on to people. Like, they get, like,

Starting point is 01:20:49 I mean, it's like your, it's like your stalker, yeah, guy from the internet, like one who's in love with you. But, but I,

Starting point is 01:20:56 I tend to get, this has happened to me before. A lot of times, actually. Like, there's this one time. in Minneapolis, right? I'm hanging out.

Starting point is 01:21:05 I had just gotten, I bought the house, I got it all fixed up, got it rent it out. So I go over to like uptown and I get a little studio apartment to right by my favorite bar. I'm like, I'll take some time.

Starting point is 01:21:15 This is a month, a month lease. I'm going to take some time. Figure my shit out. Maybe I'll go get another house. But I just need some time off. I've been working a lot. So I decided,

Starting point is 01:21:23 I remember it was like April 2021. What? Working on a house, do a man's work. Oh, okay. I have you. It doesn't, I feel like you don't work a lot.

Starting point is 01:21:31 work a job. But yeah, I mean, when you work for yourself, you work harder than you do for anyone else. So I needed some time off. Gosh, darn, I put in 15 hours this. I put in 15 hours this week. Oh, man. No, you know how it is. When you used to do real estate, I mean, in between ripping people off, didn't you renovate places?

Starting point is 01:21:48 I don't know that you're real. Are you in real estate? I have a real estate portfolio. Two houses. Two houses in an apartment. And it used to be three. And I did a couple other deals. I did one in Asbury Park.

Starting point is 01:22:01 in Detroit. Okay. I hear you. Go ahead. Whatever, man. Like, I don't have the ego maniacal drive to get every fucking penny that I can. Okay? I just want a nice, steady stream of income so that I don't have to go put on an orange apron

Starting point is 01:22:14 and drive my certified pre-owned Subaru to Home Depot every day. Okay? I think working at Home Depot would be fun. I think it would be too, but I'm not there yet. Didn't you say when you retire, you want to work there? Yeah, I used to say that all the time. Like, when I retired, I was talking. thought it would be cool to go and work at Home Depot, you know, because honestly, like,

Starting point is 01:22:35 what are you going to do that? Okay, I get it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I'm hanging out at this bar. I'm there every day, all day. Drinking beer, eating sliders, you know, I'm having a nice, I just said, I'm not going to

Starting point is 01:22:51 do shit for a month, right? A couple weeks in, maybe a weekend, hook up with one of the waitresses. Because I'm the mysterious guy, remember? and so that one's good It was all great But this other one I caught her eye Right

Starting point is 01:23:09 And she comes up to me I think this is another example Of like if I behaved like this to a woman I would be a fucking creep But women do this kind of shit to me All of the time I have a chess piece tattooed on my hand Right

Starting point is 01:23:23 She comes up to me While she's working and goes Hey I just bought a chessboard Do you want to get together some time And I was like What? Like, what, do you assume because I wear glasses that I like to, like, I said, she's like, no, I saw your tattoo, and I figured you were probably really into chess.

Starting point is 01:23:38 And I was like, sure, let's get together and play chess, right? And then she announces to the table that I'm sitting at. All these people I don't really know, they're, I'm becoming like a bar regular, so I'm acquainted with them. And she goes, hey, everyone, me and Ellis, we're going to play chess tonight. And I was like, that's fucking weird. Imagine I'm working as a waiter. Right. And there's a woman with a chess piece tattoo.

Starting point is 01:24:02 on her hand and I go, hey, you want to get together some time to play chess? First of all, you shouldn't be hidden on people that are customers at a place that you're working at. But I don't mind. She's a pretty girl. Yeah. And then announcing it to the table. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:17 A little odd. Very bizarre. Very bizarre. And I mean, it's never happened to you. No. So you don't know what that feels like. You know what I mean? Like, it's bizarre.

Starting point is 01:24:26 That's a bizarre feeling. So then later on that, maybe that night or the next day, we're supposed to get to other and play chess. Well, she doesn't hit me up until way later at night and just wants to come over to my house. And I'm like, okay, obviously what I suspected is that she just wants to hook up with me.

Starting point is 01:24:43 And I live at an apartment that's right around the corner from her house. She sees you as a sex object. I am. I'm offended. I love that you seem almost offended. You don't know what it's like to not ever get to really have real connections. You have your soulmate, okay?

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Starting point is 01:26:15 And you feel like it happens all the time. I don't feel like it does, but it's horrible. I'm burned out on it. I'm burned out on being the guy that divorce A's want to, you waited 40 years, half a century for your life to start. And now you're getting your first tattoos and you're acting out sexually and I'm going to go fuck the guy with the neck tattoos. Like it just gets old. I get it. I understand.

Starting point is 01:26:39 But whatever. She comes over my house. You're polite. And while we're hooking up, she's going, I've wanted this for so long. I've wanted this for so long. While we're in the middle of coitus while we're coitus while we're coital. Right. And I'm like, how could you've possibly wanted this for so long?

Starting point is 01:26:54 Like I've only been over in this neighborhood going to this bar for less than a moment. month. Like, you want, so long as a couple of weeks you've had a crush on me, it was just, I don't know, it was weird. And, uh, same thing that happened with the stripper. She started getting belligerent with me and being mean. And, uh, I was like, you got to, you got to, you got to, just be nice to me. You know what I mean? Let here, go to sleep and be nice. Or I'm going to have to call you a car. She goes, oh, you're just going to, you're just going to fuck me and kick me out. Did that what it is? And I was like, I mean, you're the one who showed up in the middle of the fucking night for some dick. Right. Right.

Starting point is 01:27:28 A lot of people have the courtesy to leave afterwards. You know what I mean? I shouldn't have to kick you out. Like, you know, you're not showing up at a man's house at 11 o'clock at night. For any other reason, you didn't bring your chessboard. You didn't bring a chessboard. Not one chest piece. You didn't open the door and say, where's the chessboard?

Starting point is 01:27:44 No, I didn't say that. I knew what she was doing. Like, but anyway. And she did the same thing. She like, she didn't throw beer all over my apartment, but she took a beer with her and showered like the hallway out of the way. Did you immediately look for your phone? No, because this happened years before the phone.

Starting point is 01:27:58 phone thing. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was just giving you another example. I mean, I could tell you probably 100 stories of, like, women acting out like this when they don't get what they want from me. Has it occurred to you that maybe... Oh, God.

Starting point is 01:28:11 Here we go with the fucking moral lesson. Maybe it's the... It's the women that you're choosing. I don't choose them. They choose me. Well, maybe you should choose a woman that is not in the middle of a... Did it ever occur to you that... Nice church-go-

Starting point is 01:28:28 and Christian women don't want a guy with his hand and neck tattooed who's like... It has. I might be an alcoholic also. I mean, I'm not a very destructive one. I'm not fucking my life up with alcohol, but I may drink a little too much. Like, it's possible. I'm just saying, I think that there's some, I think that just the way that I exist in this world, I am for fun with women, and that is it.

Starting point is 01:28:51 Like, I don't know. I haven't been in a relationship in a long time. Am I capable of even doing that anymore? I don't know. Maybe I should just accept my fate. as a, a fun boy, you know? But I'm starting to get gray hairs, bro. You don't want to be the old man.

Starting point is 01:29:06 At the bar? No. Like, and I don't, I've never, like, this is one thing, too. Like, my books, they're erotica or the, like, the swipe out book that I wrote that got killed in the deal. I'm not a pickup artist. I don't have advice for anyone. I was telling the stripper method, don't be a customer, just sit there and ignore

Starting point is 01:29:27 everyone. I do that at bar. That's all I do at bars. I sit and I mind my own business. And if somebody wants to come up and talk to me, I'd let them talk to me. Like, that's it. I don't think I've ever walked up to a woman, definitely not with a pickup line. But I don't think I've ever approached a woman at a bar with the intention of finding

Starting point is 01:29:44 something to do with my penis. Right. You know? I hear you. Yeah. I'm just out of here looking for love, ladies. Do you have any women that watch this show? We have 8%.

Starting point is 01:29:55 8% of the viewers are women. Yeah. I don't think they're looking for love, though. No, they want to act out sexually with a bad boy. You want them to contact you? You want us to put your Instagram? I don't not want them to, but they need to behave themselves. You might make the next book.

Starting point is 01:30:12 That will actually... Unfortunately, that will actually get you contacted. Like, exactly everything you just said. Well, let's do it. Like, write the book. You write it. You just behave your way and you write it with your... It writes itself.

Starting point is 01:30:24 Yeah, you write it with your actions. But now, my ex is actually... taking a role at her company. They're working with another. I don't want to say too much of what she does, but her company is working with a company that's based in Austin, and she's there to represent. So starting April 1st, she's going to be there.

Starting point is 01:30:39 So I'll be safe and protect. We're not necessarily getting back together. The nature of our relationship was she was in New York for a two-year contract with work, so we knew it was going to, and she was going to go to England, back to England, and I was probably going to end up maybe even living in Omaha full-time if that stalker thing hadn't happened. and she didn't have any interest in living in Omaha full time

Starting point is 01:30:59 and I don't have any interest in living in England full time. But she is going to come down to Austin for a year. I'll at least be protected for a year. You know, I'll have a nice lady to hang out with who. There's something about me being in a room. There are some people, women want to fuck me, dudes, want to come punch me in the face. No, well, you're easily hateable.

Starting point is 01:31:18 I can see that. Yeah, I know. People tell me all the time. I have a punchable face. I'm sure you hear it all the time. Yeah, people are constantly saying, you know, that guy, that guy, Ellis Jones and I'm like yeah he's they're like totally punchable I'm like I see it

Starting point is 01:31:29 I see it all right so we're gonna do the book yeah yeah yeah yeah okay let's talk about the books Um you gonna you know you throw me in dude What's up with these books? You're a regular Haraldo Rivera here dude This is a great intro Barbara Walton like wow that transition was amazing All right yeah I guess we'll get this one out of the way first so I talked about it earlier King Khan of King Con in the Shrines.

Starting point is 01:31:58 He was a... He's known as the Indian James Brown. It's from Montreal. Yeah, for real. He has a band called The Shrines. It's basically like 60s rhythm and blues. He's the Indian James Brown. It's the best way to describe him.

Starting point is 01:32:12 He was on Vice Records back in the day. And he was the one that was going to off himself? He was going to off himself. He, him and his partner, Mark Salton, had the number... He says it's the number one song on TikTok. It's called Love You So. You know, people have... attach a song to their music or to their video.

Starting point is 01:32:29 Is it that one? You know that one? It sounds like the SpongeBob. No, it's more, it's a little faster. Let's see. It's more sponge bob. To me it sounds like, like I said, I'm not a big fan of his music, but it is good. Yeah, so I guess after they had some success and after the band broke up, like this guy, actually, I should bring this up with you,

Starting point is 01:32:50 You had the guy on here who was bipolar. Yes. And he was like a cokehead and, or I mean a white blow, blow face, whatever. And I, even with all the crazy women that I've dated and been assaulted by, I'm still not entirely sure that bipolar disorder is real. Oh, it's real. And then I saw his episode and I was like, and I was hanging out with this guy shooting documentaries and writing a book about him.

Starting point is 01:33:15 And I was like, this guy is 100% bipolar. Like, he needs to be actually stopped writing the book. But when you get to chapter 10, it's called, I think I've had it. Like, and I tell him you've got to get on some daytime medication. He's a nut. And there's some nutty stuff in this. And it's called an ancient enemy. It's about King Khan of King Khan and Barbecue Show.

Starting point is 01:33:36 It's also just about his time in Austin. There's videos that go along with it on my YouTube channel. He literally wanted me to take him around Austin to sing and play guitar for homeless people. Yeah. That is a, a, a, a, a, a, that's a great business model. It's going to really, really keep you on top. Well, I mean, I don't think he's worried about it.

Starting point is 01:33:58 He's made it a ton of, he made it a ton of, well, they have to pay people for the use of their song on TikTok. So, like, two, I think two trillion people or something all time have used their song on their TikTok videos. So they have to pay them a royalty from that. So I don't think he's worried about money. No. Did you ask him about that? Did he pay you for the book?

Starting point is 01:34:19 Yeah, he's paid me for the book and video work. And then I get to keep 100% of this. So I'm making $10 a book. Nice. And we sold a couple hundred copies already. So yeah. And he's also, I consider him a friend. I just don't want to be around him.

Starting point is 01:34:32 He's like the most irritating person ever. Like with the way that that guy was describing how he literally becomes delusional when he's in a manic state. I was like, yeah, that's 100% with this. Like he does not think straight. And he has no like situational awareness. He's just irritating. That sounds very. much like bipolar.

Starting point is 01:34:52 But we're, we're still going to work together on some stuff. Yeah. And he's hooking me up with the leader of the Black Panthers in New Orleans, which now I'm going to write.

Starting point is 01:35:01 Is that still a thing? Are they still around? I think so. Was he, like this is like the former leader of the black pan? He's probably former. He's like a community activist now.

Starting point is 01:35:10 Like owns the charity, feeds the homeless. All right. And then, uh, this one, I was originally going to, so I took, is it going to make it in here?

Starting point is 01:35:19 The, uh, talking about the, the erotica, the divorcee that I was seeing, told me that I should write erotica because my life has been perfect. Well, hold on. What is on that cover? Can that be on YouTube? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:35:32 Yeah, let's not show it. Okay. Yeah. We can we censor it? I'll just zoom in on your face. You're good. Just talk about it. I think the cover is what's going to sell it.

Starting point is 01:35:43 Yeah, it's pretty, the cover's pretty cool, right? Yeah, it's a, I mean, I don't know what it looks like. Well, it's borderline. It's covering everything, but it's borderline. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, still, I thought the leg was like a dick or something. No. From the angle I was seeing it. No, I bought this illustration off of a homeless guy in San Francisco. Really?

Starting point is 01:36:02 15 years ago, yeah, yeah. I like it. She's sitting on a big hamburger? She's not on a cheeseburger. She's burger. Yeah, yeah. I do like that. I wanted something that looks like old, remember like old pulp erotica, like suck my nasty chin, denim daddy. Like, yeah, that's a real. Is it?

Starting point is 01:36:19 That's a real title, yeah. I used to find them in a thrift stores all the time. In Florida, that shit is everywhere. Yeah, this was the original version of it. It's got the kind of risque cover. Right. It's like pure fiction. I was going to call it I Need Lunch because there's a...

Starting point is 01:36:36 You did call it I Need Lunch. Well, there's two versions of this book. There's like a PG-13 version. Oh, okay. And then there's this one, which is super X-rated. And I was going to call it, I Need Lunch. And I did. There's two versions. You can get, I Need Lunch.

Starting point is 01:36:48 Or this is too confusing, isn't it? There's two versions. Well, one is I need lunch and one is... Is the depths of nights embrace. Sounds more like a hard-looking romance, right? You know, I feel like this one's for the guys, you know? Yeah. Because my stuff is not like romantic.

Starting point is 01:37:03 It's traffic. Right. So it's not too repulsive for women, but it's not too soft for dudes. So I feel like I've kind of, I found each title, this has more, but this has everything that this has in it. I just feel like the way that this is presented, it, I, uh, I think women who are into fantasy smut will like this more. And they can, you know, a lot of them, divorcees, have kids.

Starting point is 01:37:25 They can't really have a book with boobs hanging around a child. So I made like a little more PG-13 cover. It's called I Need Lunch because there's a 250-word poem in there about eating, about going down on chicks. Okay. It's good. Yeah. I'm actually, it's really well written. Like I've really displayed a lot of literary talent in this.

Starting point is 01:37:48 It's got a crazy concept, though. Like Ellis Jones, the writer, writes a short story about time travel involving Jesus Christ, getting hooked on. So he has to, here we go. There's the Matt Cox-Claer. So he has to serve a internship in hell. And three witches fall in love with him, naturally. Yeah, no. And it's really what it is, like, an allegory for, like, the bad luck that I was having when I first moved to Austin.

Starting point is 01:38:17 like that my life was I was making more money than I probably ever made in a year but I was you know broken collarbone I had a friend come visit from New York and he got really out of line I had to slap the shit out of him and almost went to jail but luckily Texas is a mutual combat state I don't know if you knew that so if you ever get into a fight I'm not going to get into yeah what I'm wondering is why you don't write what you ought to write is your story just like the highlights of your story. Right, it's all in there.

Starting point is 01:38:53 Yeah, I know. But it's like a fictionalized version. It's sprinkled and it's fiction. There's fiction and there's nonfiction. I've already written books like that. My first book, Energy Vandal, and my second book, Stinky Paint, these are all about wild story, women. It's not as sexually graphically described as it is in these.

Starting point is 01:39:13 This is like graphic, graphic depictions of sexual encounters. But you know, I recently read, there's this author I really love. His name is Greg Ashley. He recorded an album with a con. And his book is like that. It's like it's called anecdotes and it's just sprinkles of or it's like story, wild stories, crazy shit. And like, I don't know, man. I feel like there's not a lot of room for like it's like you're just collecting information when you're reading it.

Starting point is 01:39:43 Like I want to write stuff that's more like you can really like. enjoy what you're reading while you're collecting, like really stylized, really like display some literary talent is what, a friend of mine who edited some of this for me. Like I want you to be able to get all the information on like the first read, right? But then you'd want to read it again

Starting point is 01:40:05 because if you like reading, if you like the way people put words together like a painting, you know, like a real book. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I get that you like, right. And I think I should jump, on this fucking train of journalism, like get hot topics, write books, use AI, sure, if it's paying that much.

Starting point is 01:40:24 But I do want to write these, like, books that are, like, that kind of don't alienate my friends who are semi-literate high school dropouts, but also satisfy people who are, like, intellectuals and enjoy the act of reading, like, reading really well-written stuff, you know? Yeah. So probably. Yeah, I feel like, you know, when I, when I first did, I did, I wanted to do a podcast. I went on a podcast called, it was called Concrete at the time, right? Yeah, yeah, Danny Jones, I know, yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:02 And after the podcast, Danny Jones took me to Waffle House. It was open at like 1130 at night. We sat there and Danny Jones, when I was telling him, you know, I wanted to start a podcast. I want to start like a true crime podcast. And he was like, well, you should, here's what you should do. And he kind of told me what I should do. And Danny was making a living. Already at that point?

Starting point is 01:41:26 Yeah, making a living doing a podcast. That was his full-time gig. That's all he did at that point. And he'd been, for about a year or two, he'd been making, like, the bulk of his living, right? Like, I do other stuff with the bulk of it is probably from the podcast that pays my bills. And I do other things. But Danny at the time, you know, that's what he was making. making the bulk of his money on the podcast.

Starting point is 01:41:48 And he was trying to tell me, like, here's what you need to do. And I was living in a rooming house at the time, right? And I was making money, like, doing odd jobs and doing, like, a painting and that sort of thing. And so I was telling, he was trying to tell me how to, how to do this, do this, what he was doing. And I was saying, I want to do what you're doing. And he was giving me information on it. And everything he told me to do, I disregarded. And I feel like this is very much that conversation that we've had about books.

Starting point is 01:42:20 About books. And I look back now and I think, what was I thinking? I want these books to be successful. I don't want to just adopt a new writing style. It's not cute. It's good. I make good quality. You make content.

Starting point is 01:42:31 Yes. I make art, okay? I have a podcast, Ellis Jones Show. Check it out on that camera. Yes. Yeah. I have a podcast, but I don't drop episodes even the way Colby. It's not an insult.

Starting point is 01:42:42 I have seen how when you follow Colby's. method to stimulate the algorithm that it does work, but I'm not going to just make so much shit just for the sake of stimulating the algorithm. Like, I'm telling stories on episodes of my podcast that are in some of my books, like in Texas, I crashed a car and told the cops that a ghost did it, and I got away with it. But I'm trying to get people who were there who can verify to be the guest on the podcast to tell that story. Or there was one time I got blackout drunk.

Starting point is 01:43:13 I took a bunch of acid. woke up, standing in the middle of the street on the Golden Gate Bridge with no shoes on and ended up in the psych ward. They let me out the next day. They were like, you're not crazy. You're just on drugs. But I'm collecting video of people who were there who can testify to these things. And here's the thing about...

Starting point is 01:43:31 That would be journalism. You could write a whole book there. It's in my book, Energy Vandal. Yeah. You know, I've only watched two episodes of Danny Jones's show. Okay, which one? Yours? And John Boziacs.

Starting point is 01:43:44 Oh, okay. Because I don't give a fuck about weather radar fucking conspiracy theories. Like, it's so bizarre that there's like Yetis that live at the South Pole or some shit that invented German industrial music to make people gay. Like, there's conspiracy theories do nothing for me. It's like I'm not going to just start writing things because they're popular or getting like, what am I going to put a cattle call out on your show and be like, hey, if you want to be on my podcast, send me an email with 25 words or less. like I'm howdy duty and just interview who the fuck ever is going to lie to me on on Zoom. But look,

Starting point is 01:44:20 here's another thing too is you, I'm, okay, we said, I told you before, fan is short for fanatic. I would say I'm a fan of this show. I watch it as much as I can,

Starting point is 01:44:28 but you guys put so much out, I know that almost 100%, even if the guest sucks, I'm going to enjoy the way that you two interact with them or the way that things are cut together. Like, but you put so much shit out that I can't watch all of it. I'll never be able to watch all of it.

Starting point is 01:44:42 Like, but you don't care. You don't care about that. No, I don't care. Because the people that are watching are like a guy who's driving a forklift, you know, eight hours a day or a guy who's drywalling or a guy who got guys that are like working. And that's who's watching the show is like that's a long distance truck driver. Like they can watch three episodes a week and watch binge watch old episodes until they get their fill and then they can move to something else. I mean, I've been doing, I've been listening to more on the road.

Starting point is 01:45:07 Yeah. I've been driving. I drove here. Like so, you know, it's not like not everybody has like it. Let's face it. If you're an insurance adjuster or you're doing paperwork every day, you're an accountant, like you don't have time to listen to this. You might listen to it on the way to work and back,

Starting point is 01:45:21 but you're typically not working during the day. Even if you're an amateur writer with a small real estate portfolio, you still don't have time to watch all the episodes. You know where Boziac is now. Dude. Cambodia. I was watching his fucking, his vlog. It was awesome.

Starting point is 01:45:35 He's in Cambodia. No, I know, because he was there when the earthquake happened. You know, no, that was in Thailand when the earthquake happened. Island. Now he lived. But isn't that why he went to Cambodia? Well, it was because he'd been there for six months and they changed the visas. The visas you used to be able to stay for like 60 days.

Starting point is 01:45:54 Border hop. Yeah, you'd border hop just for a day. Literally, you get there, you fly over. Walk right by the guy. And then they give you another 60 days. And so he did that for six months and they said, we're not doing that anymore. He was like, what? Like that was his plan for the rest of his life.

Starting point is 01:46:07 So then he went to Cambodia and at first he didn't like it. And then he was there for after about two, three months, he's like, I think I'm staying here. Like, it's, I really like it here. Now that he got used to it. Now it's been over a year that he's, well, no, he's only been to Cambodia for, yeah, he's been, he's been to Cambodia for, it's been, he's been to eight or nine months now. And so he's, he's like, hey, I may actually stay here. Did you see his, his place in Cambodia? Is, as cool.

Starting point is 01:46:36 Does he post anymore? Yeah, he's, if you go to the Cambodia website. The algorithm is not putting him up in front of me anymore because. Well, he's did a whole thing on the Cambodia place he lives in. It's as cool as the one he lived in in Bangkok. Like, it's not the 30th floor. I think it's like the 20th floor or something. But it's a cool apartment for like what's the equivalent of $650 a month here.

Starting point is 01:47:00 In downtown Tampa, you'd be paying $5 grand for what he's got. As soon as I saw that vlog where he was moving into the high rise, I was like, man. Yeah. Yeah, I could consider it. But I drink too much, man. I'm going to end up going home with a lady boy. Like, I'm going to get confused when I'm drunk. I am constantly sending him lady boy, fucking lady boy.

Starting point is 01:47:20 He never responds to him. He's just like, yeah, okay. Yeah. No, I can't live outside. My chick really wants me to consider moving to England, but I don't want to, I don't know. I feel like that's not, I can live in America forever. I'm from here. You could just, if you're going to live in England, you could just move to India and live there cheaper.

Starting point is 01:47:40 because it's basically is there's so many Indian and Pakistanis in fucking London at this point or at this point you're basically living in India you might as well I could live in England if we got married and I'd be I'd have citizenship as what as in England married right it might right it might as well be it might as well be India but she's not Indian she's I know I'm just it's a joke oh it's a joke well jokes are usually they're usually funny well if you understand I have a premise. You have to set up a punchline. Have you been to England recently?

Starting point is 01:48:16 Yeah. I don't like it at all. I don't like the weather. And the weather's horrible. I don't like the fucking people. Yeah. Because the people who are more like me like to drink in the bar and like have a good time and take the piss out of each other. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:28 Are extraordinarily dangerous. Yeah. I was just going to say, I was just thinking violent. Yes. Yes. And then the other people who are like posh or like intellectuals who like I could probably sit down and have a tea with you. and talk about books, but they look down their nose. Yeah, I was going to say, wouldn't hang out with you.

Starting point is 01:48:44 No, not at all. Well, it's, you know, I still do this day. I don't understand why a 5'10, 29-year-old blonde English girl wants anything to do with me, and I do you think maybe it's like to piss her parents off. Well, her mom. Her stepdad loves me. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you. Watch and do me favor.

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Starting point is 01:49:29 25 words or less. A thing on our website. You go to our website and says be a guest. You can fill out a be a guest and leave what Ellis belittled as being a 25 word bullshit fucking thing of your story. Tell your, tell the lie that you want us all to believe. He's, yeah, which is untrue. Dude, like I think I'll say in the same breath, like, I don't really give a fuck about my fans, but then like, can you believe this guy talking shit on you guys? Yeah, can you

Starting point is 01:49:51 believe that? I love y'all. I fucking, listen, I'd go in the comments and give him a piece of your mind. Um, and I, and I, so it'll leave also, you throw in, you put in like a little video, no big deal. It's really just to make sure that we can understand what you're saying. Uh, and you, you have all your teeth. Uh, all right, so that you present well. That's what really present well. Also, if you want to watch Ellis's full story, we're going to put the link right here, and you're going to click on that and go straight to that story and check out his full story. So thank you very much. I appreciate it. See you.

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