Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - MANHUNT GONE WRONG VICKY AND CASEY WHITE

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

MANHUNT GONE WRONG VICKY AND CASEY WHITE

You're 59 years old. Where are you going to go? Like, what are you thinking? Yeah. And she was hired. Like, she put in her retirement paperwork. What are you doing? What do you think they're going to send you your pension in Mexico?

Hey, this is Matt Cox. And we're having technical difficulty with my equipment. So we're here with John Bozziak. Yeah, we're at my house. Yeah. We're going to do a podcast on the, well, they were escaped. They were escaped. Well, there was the.

Vicki White and Casey White. Right. The Alabama. So Casey, there was Casey White was the inmate. Yes. And then Vicky White was the guard. Well, she was like in charge the whole thing, but, or the transportation or something. Yes.

So she was a guard there at, and where was this? Alabama. Alabama. And I think everybody knows this, but, you know, they had a relationship. Yes. And he, she arranged for his escape. And they've been caught since, you know. Yes.

Well, he was captured. Yeah. Well, she killed herself. So she chose not to be captured. She chose a different path. Yeah. yeah we talked about this yeah well i don't know yeah this is one of those things that i was just kind of following uh very closely probably with everybody else in america unless you've been

kind of living underneath a rock or you just don't pay attention to uh the news or whatever but you know it's kind of hard not to when it's on the top of every news feed uh on the internet and on television and whatnot so yeah we were gonna and we were gonna do one before this like we were gonna do one but i didn't know how quickly it would take them to get caught and it seemed like they should have had a plan so we thought we had a little bit more time and

you know because I just assumed if you had that much time to plan yes you would be able to get you know the new identities you would have a clear path for leaving the country or for

something for starting over something if you're going to plan that far ahead to you know break a guy out of prison well walk him out of the fucking front door you know you would think there would be some stuff you would have lined up already

right you know what I mean like maybe like I mean she did have a few things I mean obviously she would she say she sold her house yeah where you read that I didn't read that half the value oh yeah I it was worth about 200,000 she sold it for 90 or 95000 for 95000 she had like 90 grand in cash

and they thought She may have additional money in cash because she was extremely frugal. Right. She saved a lot of saved money. So she may have had a hundred. She worked for the Department of Corrections for 17 years. Right. But she also lived with like her mother.

Right. So she had very little bills. She had no kids. She was never married. Right. And, uh, no, she was married. She was widowed. Yeah, the guy died.

She was widowed. That's right. No kids. Right. And she obviously masterminded the entire thing. Yes. Because everything I saw and read is that I think one guy even said that Casey's elevator didn't go all the way to the top floor. All the way to the top floor.

Like he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed in the drawer. Yeah, apparently the big guy was kind of slow. Yeah. You know, so he was, so basically he was already incarcerated. He had gotten, how many years? 75? 75 years. Yeah.

So he got like 75 years for kidnapping. Yeah. And he's apparently got an addiction to meth. Methamphetamine. Methamphetamine addiction. Right. He'd come through the, so he'd come through the jail. He'd met her.

They started some type of a friendship or a relationship, as much of a relationship as you can have with the CO, with a guard. See, when did he mean? When did they, when did them to meet? Because I didn't read that part. I never really got that fucking. Probably three or four years ago. And then.

When he was in the county before he was. went and got sentenced and went up to state prison right and then they kept in contact they kept for two years i think it was for two years they kept in contact and then he wrote a letter and this is where you actually this is where you had mentioned this um because you had a different take on it yeah i don't know if you came up with that or you heard it or you just came out with it or that she was going to see him well no not not first of all we don't know that she was going to see him that that was said and then it kind of was recanted that they first they thought she was going to see him, that she had a false identity and was going to see him. But in fact, then they came

back and the news said, no, no, she's never gone to see. She didn't go see him. She does have a false identity and she was communicating with him, but she had never gone to see him. But here's what I'm saying is that while Casey was in state prison, he wrote a letter where he confessed to a murder and was brought and so he was charged in that to an unsolved murder from like 10 years earlier to a woman that he had no affiliation with and and so what they did was Alabama charged him and then brought him back well first they sent they sent a detective out to talk to him they talked to him right briefly yeah decided to charge him and bring him back now here's the thing he didn't quite know like he couldn't

tell them how he had killed the woman what he had used like he didn't quite have all the facts right but it's alabama so you're thinking this was a plan hatched between casey and vicky white to get him back to the county jail back to the county jail well that's what you had you had mentioned that yeah you had thought that's what what yeah obviously i mean that's the clear clearly if he was lying about a murder then he was just trying to get back to the county jail because when he didn't have all the facts right like like how do you forget how you killed somebody like like like like like like like I you're saying yeah yeah I I choked her to death or I stabbed or I beat her to death and then but clearly you but you neglect to mention you used a hammer yeah and on side note they were going to look into a suspicious death of one of his former girlfriends that was like a cold case or something they're reopening that up now oh an additional one yeah okay yeah so well because the one woman he had no affiliation with it all he didn't know her at all I would older woman they they don't know how It was in the same area he lived in, but they didn't really know.

It was just a random thing. Yeah. So anyway, he gets moved back. He starts, you know, now he's in the same jail as the CEO that he, or the guard. I keep saying CEO. So the, what are the deputy? Was she a deputy or prison guard? Whatever.

She's a prison guard or guard. So she's, he's in there with her and she arranges it so that she basically, she's in charge of transports and she arranges it so that the transports are full and so he has to be brought by himself to the courthouse for like a mental a mental she said that he who's had a mental evaluation yes which he did not it wasn't even scheduled right and protocol is to have two officers in the car when they're transporting but she overrode that she said no that she's like I'm the only one that's you know I'm qualified yeah I'm qualified I'll take him we don't need another guard it's fine i'll put him in he's no problem gets him in the car drives off that's it goes to

another jumps into their escape vehicle yeah they drive from there to a like a shopping mall where she had a car put she'd already bought new clothes for him she already had camping gear they already had a whole bunch of stuff oh yeah so then they switch cars they drive yeah the problem is two hours later the car breaks down uh on somebody sold her a lemon yeah i hate that about a bitch go buy a getaway car and it's 11 well so they tried to spray paint it right they showed like the rear one of the quarter panels was spray painted green like they started spray paint and then like maybe 15 minutes in they figured out that this is just not going to be a good idea gosh casey i don't think one can was enough honey you know i mean i don't think either one of

these two were the brightest bulbs yeah it kind of just seems like they were bumbling and fumbling their way through this whole fucking thing i mean they were at a car wash that's how they they got caught yeah well you know they got another car yeah they had several vehicles right had a Cadillac apparently they had a Mustang and they had an f-150 right but i'm saying so that one car broke down somehow or another they got to the other vehicle they bought a new via another vehicle i think six thousand dollars yeah they went to a motel like they were only like four hours away right three or four hours away they were in indiana yeah but it was only like three or four hours away from where she left like they didn't it and this was this was 11 days 11 days later you

went four hours away you're hanging out in a cheap motel and they end up abandoning another vehicle like it doesn't even make make sense like they did have camping gear so I don't know why they wouldn't have gone like you could you've got if you've got a minimum of $90,000 which by the way they didn't recover all the money or at least they haven't as of today right so you know if you've got 90 grand you've got enough to get a lot of camping gear and plenty of food and You can go hang out in the woods for a month or two. You hang out in the woods for two months. Yeah, listen, when 90 grand, she could have had a truck and a trailer stocked with fucking food and camping supplies and everything else.

Not as some little fucking Ford Edge. I don't know what the fuck they think they were going to do. You know what I mean? She could have, wham, they could have went to like a K-O-A or some shit like that. She could put a wig on or had somebody else check them into like a fucking K-O-A or whatever. And then, like you said, just lay low for a couple months. Yeah. Two, three, four months, let it all blow over.

weather starts to turn then you know you guys supposed to have passports set up and fucking yeah they're not having but we're dealing with a couple of Alabama country fucking people you know they're not what what kills me is is so like there's no clear getaway plan they don't they had supposedly they had fake identities but I don't know that they had fake IDs right I mean keep in mind too she had access to a ton of she could get yeah she could get people's information. Like how many people have been arrested but let go. They dropped the charges. Well, guess what? Now she's got their name, data birth, social security number. She's got everything. Yeah. So she could have easily had access to that and was

hoping to be able to go into the state DMV and get a driver's license in their name. Assuming she could even figure that out how to do that. Yeah. He certainly couldn't. Yeah. He wasn't that bright. No, he wasn't that bright. No, he isn't that bright. So, so then they, They've been gone for 11 days, and at some point, they dropped off a pickup truck at a car wash. And the owner of the car wash, it was there for, what, like a day or two, he noticed. It was there for a day or two. And so he checked the cameras and saw the two of them and realized, hey, wait a minute, this may be them. No, they didn't drop their truck off at a car wash and leave it there for a day or two.

I thought that's what happened. No, no, it's one of those pull-in stall fucking car washes, where you just pull in and you hose it down your self but the dude working there recognized them and when they left he called the fucking he called the police the sheriffs and then gave him the description of the truck and they got the camera so the sheriff showed up there they got the camera footage and they're like okay this is what this is the vehicle we're looking for and we know they're in the area because they were just here oh i thought i thought i thought he actually dropped off he left the truck there no because they got into a chase in the truck and that's they got into a fucking

roll over fucking accident in the truck it wasn't in the truck and we've seen that we've seen that live on TV no they weren't in the truck on it the chase wasn't in the truck how do you know that because they they abandoned the truck at the part at the at the oh god i got i got a different i got a whole different story then from what i watched really yeah um let's find out let's let's give it a good casey white abandoned truck car wash so here's the truck right yeah they're washing here's the guy and here's what he says hey sorry for interrupting the video but i want to let you guys know that if you join my patreon at the top tier every single month you get a different painting and the contact information for my

patreon page is in the description back to the video Two and a half hours from where we were in Tennessee. It was believed that Casey and Vicki were spotted here. And then we found out they indeed were. At this car wash behind me, they were spotted on surveillance camera by the manager here, who's really the reason this entire thing ended today with the police chase and Vicki and Casey White now apprehended. I want to bring in the manager of this car walk.

Tell me what you first spotted here at the car wash. Told you. You've seen him. A truck sticking out of the car wash back. It's always unusual when one's sticking out. I'd leave and come back to the truck still air. I'll leave you come back to the truck still air. Even up late at night for the truck still air.

I go and go to bed. I get up at 6 o'clock the next morning and take my granddaughter in school. The truck's still there. They abandoned. Once I get at this school, it gets out of my truck around 7.30. We'll come back and check it out. I come back. I walk up to the truck, I noticed the windows are down, and my first thought, it could be this guy from Alabama.

Could be in there asleep, passed out, suicide, whatever. I'm kind of nervous about it, so I looked over in the truck, nobody's in it, I opened the door. See, gotcha. You're right. I tried to start the truck. The truck started right up, so I know there wasn't nothing wrong with it. Yeah, see, that's not a truck they were in. They're in the Cadillac.

They're in the Cadillac. All right. Yeah, he found. they abandoned it like I don't know why they know that I thought yeah and it started that's what's so weird is like the truck started like there's not it's not like it broke down you abandoned it in a truck like in a stall in the fucking where you it's gonna be found immediately like you can't drive off into the fucking woods or go put it in a subdivision or a parking lot like go park it next to the project with the keys they were fucking high or something everything they did was fuck it's it's fucking crazy so I mean thing line you could draw you could have driven to the closest projects taking the keys and put the keys on the thing and walked away someone had stolen a car within a few hours yeah they drive it around they probably bring it to a shop shop chop it all up and nobody they'd never find the truck yeah a couple of fucking dummies like why didn't you just drive it straight to the police station leaving in the in the

police station um but yeah so so then they but so they knew they were in the area well or they thought well they'd been that's how they fucking found out they were in there because that truck they didn't know where the fuck they were right but they thought this is what the sheriff had Like we thought they had been, we at least knew they had been in this area at this time. But we didn't really know if they were still here. We didn't think they were still here. Sure enough, they were, though. They start looking around at the motels and everything, and they track them down at this cheap motel.

And when they're going in, pulling them to the motel, they see them, they jump, they're in their vehicle and they take off. So they track them back to like a hotel. And they take off and then the marshal stop them. Hey, sorry for interrupting the video, but I want to let you guys know that if you join my Patreon at the top tier every single month, you get a different painting, and the contact information for my Patreon page is in the description. Back to the video. Well, first of all, I was going to mention her falling in love with this guy. First, she's not that sharp. Yeah, she can't be. No. Well, first of all, you're falling in love with a big dummy. Yeah. So secondly, I wanted to mention something else was all those pictures.

that they've been showing. Like I saw an interview where they had interviewed a guy who knew her. And he was saying she didn't look anything like that picture. Does that make sense? Like they were like, first of all, she was pale. She had blonde hair was pale. And there was a filter on the photo. He was saying she had wrinkles.

She was in her late 50s, had wrinkles. And her hair was darker. So she could have probably easily gotten away. He, of course, was 6 foot 9. so he's six foot nine they're walking around they're gonna have to fucking hide his ass at night like a goddamn vampire

coming in and out of buildings and cars and shit right from the building to the car you can't even be together no yeah you're right yeah I mean think think about it I would like to me that they should not have been seen outside to get like

he would have had to have stayed inside yeah she would have had gone back and forth because she could probably get out and move around yeah because she didn't she didn't look like the picture And two, they said, look, if she dyed her hair gray or put on a wig and a frumpy dress, she looked like a completely different person in that photo. She could move around. He can't.

But instead, they're walking around together. They're hanging out together. Like, everybody's looking for you and they're walking around together. They don't have fake IDs. They're hanging out in the general vicinity. Yeah. Like, I don't know what her plan was. That means.

Because he doesn't have one. Yeah. So she's false. in love with this this this this idiot and then she stays and then she's obviously not how do you think that happened i don't know because i mean i've seen you know i i've known of relationships in in prison and these guys definitely work oh they're chicken hawks oh yeah they're definitely working these female guards chicken hawks then those listen especially the motherfuckers in there with no shame yeah that that don't that don't mind crossing boundaries and pressing limits and saying

inappropriate shit to people that they shouldn't be yeah those are the guys that fucking go after them like fucking like snakes and like wolves they also get them though well yeah like these are women that like this is a woman who's clearly she's she's deprived of any type of affection she lives with her mother she she she's desperate for affection the husband the ex-husband is dead like apparently he he got sick they got divorced he got sick they lived together until he died she moved in with her and then she moved in with her mother wow so you know she's a nice person Em, I want to live, you know, she's 59 years old. She's been working at the jail for 17 years.

And she, I don't know what she thought. She was going to leave the country and do what? You're 59 years old. Where are you going to go? Like, what are you thinking? Yeah. And she was hired. Like, she put in her retirement paperwork.

Yeah. She's retiring that day. What are you doing? Like, what do you think they're going to send you your pension in Mexico? I mean, you're not getting your pension. Why would you put in your paperwork even? Oh, man. So, anyway, she, um...

It just seems like a fucking hairbrain scheme to fucking begin with, dude. It's the total just bumbling. Yeah, bumbling, fumbling, fucking Alabama foolery. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Like, bro, it's late, too. Well, whatever you want to do, man. I'm... No.

It's like that most of that one movie where they robbed the NASCAR, the NASCAR fucking, and it's got a... Is that the one with the guy who had his arm? Yeah. That was a great movie. It was a great movie where they get out of the jail and go. They had to break the dude out of jail. They had to break him back in. God, it was a good movie.

What movie is that? That's a good one. That's just what this whole thing reminds me of. It's a bunch of country ass motherfucker. No, that movie was brilliant. Those guys were brilliant. They pulled it off. Yeah, you're right.

these had channing tatum in it oh my god you're right and it had uh what's the dude that fucking plays uh james james bond taden um heist movie i don't even i don't remember that dude's name but um yeah yeah uh uh it's hold on daniel craig heist movie

NASCAR you gotta learn how to google things better you just feed a bunch of random keywords and there's a sequence of of first of all there's no sequence at all because it didn't pull up any of it no then put in this then um Channing Tatum Daniel Craig movie Yeah I'll pull it right up

Yes it did It was called uh what low and lucky That's it. Logan Lucky. Logan Lucky. Yeah, that's good. God, that was a good movie. That's a good.

And so if you were going to, I have a question. If you were going to, well, you had fake IDs, but you had fake IDs that were fake fake IDs. They're like. But I had real people's name and information. Oh, on the, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, you know, like, how, like to me, I go in the DMV and get them to give me an idea.

Yeah. you, you can, you can manufacture them. I figured out how to make them really good. Right. So they'll pass, would they pass scrutiny? Oh yeah. Okay. Blacklight, they swipe, they scanned, everything. Okay, so she's not going to be able to figure that out. Like, you know, she's just not. I mean, obviously, she's not going to be able to figure that out. She's not going to get far. She's not going to figure it out. Like, I just don't know what the plan was. And they only found her with like $30 or $30,000 or $35,000. That's all they found on them. So, not that the money matters, because it was her money.

It's not like it's stolen money, but I'm wondering where was that money stashed? Where did the other $60 grand go? Yeah. Assuming him, I'm assuming it's a lot more than that, to be honest. Yeah. But he just, so anyway, in the end,

they pull up, the cops pull up on them. They're at the hotel. They jump in their vehicle. They take off the, was the marshals? I think it was the marshals, not the police, but the marshals, they ran the vehicle. Vicky pulls a gun. and shoots herself in the head

and Casey I didn't see that one coming Well you know The thing is like I did not see that one coming Well here's what's funny is like If you watch the if you listen to That's the twist in the whole fucking thing

If you listen to the tapes Of him his first arrest He's talking about killing himself He's talking about forcing the police to kill him Right? That's his first arrest When he had done the kidnappings So You know

And this time He just turns, he just gives himself up. But keep in mind, this is a guy. Maybe she thought he was going to kill himself too. And she fucking shot herself in the head. He's like, yeah, I'm fucking. They have, they have plenty of guns. I had a whole arsenal.

But here's the thing. He's used to prison. So he's not that concerned. She's afraid she's going to be embarrassed. She's humiliated. This didn't work out. Like, she's going to shoot herself. I can't, you know, you know that a CEO becoming, or, I always say CEO.

So a guard, a prison, guard having to become or even a police officer having to become an actual inmate a lot of them will kill themselves like they can't imagine like in their minds inmates are so far beneath who they are yeah they they'll kill themselves like they've been running the i've been running this joint for the last 20 years and now i'm going to fucking be somewhere like here absolutely right and so she shot herself so i can see her shooting himself and i thought he'd shoot himself because he said it before instead he's like yeah i'm good here's the big thing so here's here's the real question is this is it i think they probably he did care about her he must have liked her well yeah they

said that i read something where he kept referring to her as his wife okay so he liked her it's not like it was a scam a lot of these guys like they'll basically scam a female CEO so that she'll bring in contraband or she'll send money to his books or guys will start up a relationship with a woman just so that when they leave prison they have somewhere to go right somebody to somebody there's guys that will marry women in prison just because that way she comes to visit me oh yeah she she sends me food um what's his name i'm sorry sends me money she'll come and come to visitation get me food like she'll she'll do stuff for me what's his name was with that big girl who he got shipped and they fucking brought him back and fucking oh you're talking about uh cook

cook yeah cook yeah with with dave's that was day you know that was dave's sister so so yeah but but but here's the thing he came back from visitation i said how big is she oh yeah he said what couldn't get my arms around her oh my god so bad so what i'm wondering about is uh because think about it he could have gotten out like he could have if it was bullshit he could have gotten out

seeing her when they got together he's like oh my gosh baby you do have the money you have the weapons you have this you have our IDs okay great so everything's good right boom smashed her right in the head grabbed everything

walked away left her on the side of the road like he could have done that he must have really cared about her because he stuck with her the whole time so it wasn't for him it wasn't a scam he genuinely thought he had probably fallen in love how was he she's what 59 yeah i don't know that's another good question yeah i don't know she's fit she was i think she was 59 kC white age there you go it's nothing bro i say i don't know

why this thing is not working Casey White age I want to say he was 47 really 46 and 47 he got himself an older girl huh a decade

there's nothing wrong with the more seasoned seasoned lady Casey White age All right This is not

This is not It's not giving you what you want No Unbelievable Casey White We got his We've got We've got

We got the Yeah bro Come on What's happening here Oh, man. There it is. Unbelievable. Like, I just hit K.C. White Age.

It actually said it, and then it didn't do shit. Didn't get me dick. See, now I'm pissed. Now I'm finding out. I give a fuck. Well, I guess the world will never know. I guess. It's just going to be a mystery.

I feel like it's important. Yeah. Well, anyway. he's uh we're trying to determine the age gap between the uh i think between the whites i think you got to see this documentary it's called a wild and wonderful why it's a west virginia are you serious yeah it's about this fucking hillbilly family on west virginia that uh oh he's 38 wow kc white 38 it's my age he looks 48 yeah Good for him.

Listen, he had got like a, what did they call it? Oh, wait, she was 56. So she was 56. Yeah. Well, you said, you know, I had a, I remember when I was a, when I was running the mortgage company, I remember one of my, one of my brokers had a husband and wife, and their last, they were African American.

And, and their last name was black. And, you know, I would periodically, I'd say, hey, what's happening with the Johnson file? And I would go, hey, what's happening with the blacks file? And the mortgage broker would go, hey, hey, they're African-American. I mean, he did it every single time. So, anyway, I thought that was funny. So, yeah, the whites. The whites.

Hey, hey, they're Caucasian. All right. So, yeah, it's a bust. There was no plan. It wasn't the great escape. Yeah, you know, it's a bummer man. I was really rooting for these two, you know what I mean? Like, I was really hoping that they got away and fucking nobody ever fucking found them ever again.

Wouldn't that be great? You just walked. It's just fucking folklore, like fucking D.B. Cooper. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, they just walked into the fucking sunset and nobody ever seen them again. It's not going to happen. Unfortunately, that just wasn't the case with these two here.

Yeah, we should look up. Like, there's got to be a few people that have escaped and just never been found. There was a guy in Coleman named Doc. he'd been gone for 25 years No way Yeah Gone for 25 years Was living in South America

For 25 years It was a huge drug case actually You know it's funny He was going to trial And during the trial They were He and his lawyer were having a lunch And he goes

How's it going? So Doc says to his lawyer How's it? So what do you think? How's it going? He goes I think he looked at me he said

I think maybe you shouldn't come back to the trial or come back to the courtroom he goes it's not going good and he goes okay well he said I will see after lunch he goes all right he got up he went he got in his car

and drove off and never came back and of course his lawyer goes into court and says your honor I don't know where he is so he took off he went to South America. What year was this? Oh, this is back in the 80s?

So he actually gets to somewhere in South America because he was dealing in, you know, drugs. He gets to South America. He lives down there, like in, you know, whatever was, Brazil or Columbia or something. He stays down there 25 years. But he periodically would call back and talk to, like, call his ex-wife, talk to a her about his kids whatever his ex-wife at some point just they got into an argument whatever happened i i don't know she picked up the phone she called the uh called turned them in they went down there and they uh they grabbed them god damn it yeah she he came oh by the way

he had been found guilty because he never showed up so he found guilty and sentenced in and he was sentenced even though he wasn't there uh i figure what they call that in an absentia anyway and so he got like a 30 year sentence or something you know through the book out of the book at him so he when he comes back he was he went to coleman low he'd been locked up a few years i talked to him a few times yeah a nice guy uh and well i mean listen actually wasn't that nice of a guy but he traded the the time he spent down in south america for the sentence yeah you got your 30 years now you got to come fucking pay for it yeah so he was in the you know in the low and there was was really wasn't much he could do you know he lost at trial wasn't there for half of it and uh yeah

he got 30 years and so he was uh he was but yeah for like 25 years i think he was on the run he said he was like one of the longest i think it may have been one of the longest uh running fugitives out there wow i wish i could remember his real name that they called him doc in the they called them doc because he actually was down in south america and was like delivering medicine like he one of the things he did down there was he had like a pharmacy or something and he also delivered medicine so everybody called him doc where do you think you could go in this world where they can't come get you oh i think they'd come get you anywhere anywhere if they the problem is they have to find you you know like extradition is

one thing. A lot of people will say, go to a country where there's no extradition. All extradition means. So all extradition means is that the local police, if the, let's say, the U.S. government says, hey, we are looking for these people. They're in your country. If you find them, arrest them, send them back. So then the local people find them and they arrest these people, the criminals, whatever. And then they say, they contact the country that wants them and then they extradite them to that country like that's all that means is that they'll pick up your people or if they find your people they'll give them to you but the truth is like during apartheid in south africa there was no extradition with south africa and there were americans would

go there and the fbi would simply call the south africans and say listen some of our citizens that we have warrants for are here at this apartment complex and we're here we've got fbi agents in the in country we're going to pick them up and bring them back. Could you please keep the police out of that area or if you get a call about anything, not come, understand that there's three FBI agents or four FBI agents in the area. And they would go, yeah, no problem.

Like these are your citizens. You can grab them, take them away. We don't care. Yeah, they'll send a task force to come, extract you from anywhere in the world. They'll kidnap you. Yeah. I mean, there are people like Blackwater and stuff.

They'll go in like fucking Osama bin Laden. They'll send Seal Team 6 in to get you if you're that fucking high of a target. Yeah, they have private company. that will just if they know where someone They're like bounty hunters Right

They'll hang out And they're all ex-military They'll hang out Like Blackwater They'll hang out Sitting in a van for three days Make sure it's their guy This isn't the police

These are like Privates like private Private corporations Right They'll walk up Hit you with a fucking taser Throw a bag over your head Throw you the back of the van

Drive you straight to the To the airport Put you on a private Put you on a private jet, fly out. No problem. People in South America or in Europe, like, they don't care. This isn't our citizen. This is, they're not kidnapping one of our citizens.

This is a U.S. citizen. And the U.S. law enforcement or whoever is grabbing them and they got them. And there's a war on them. We don't want these problems. None of our business. So, yeah, the extradition isn't what people think. Yeah. But where do you think you can hide?

If you were going to fucking. It depends your level of wanted Like how many fucking And how much money are you? And how much money are you? So let's say you knocked over Fucking 10 banks and you got fucking I don't know

Two million dollars Right And cash Where do I go? Where do you go? You go to Europe Do you go to South America? Do you go to fucking Asia?

You know you stick out Like like like it depends on what you look like Like I'm gonna stick out like a sore thought I don't know man In South America if I get dark enough if I yeah because you can you get pretty dark when you can start you can fucking blend right in with those motherfuckers get you a fucking sombrero and some fucking it also depends on how high profile it is yeah well like I said like let's just

say it's just regular bank robber so you knocked toward 10 banks you got two million dollars they know who you are they got your name they know who you are for sure and you're now you're on the run I'm thinking my fear is Croatia or Or, you know, somewhere like that. My fear is that the ponds of places that you can go and stay and they won't, and maybe you can hide out. The problem is you're basically living in some place like Croatia and- But with $2 million, anywhere in the world you go to, you're going to have a nice place. Yeah, assuming they don't take the money from that.

And then you just have to, you know, you have to learn the, well, you got to have all that planned out. So you're going to have to learn the local fucking the get down. You know what I mean? You have to learn how to just, you know, blend in with the locals, deal with the locals, their currency. I'm thinking one of the Eastern Block comes. countries. Yeah. One of the Slavic countries?

Romania? Romania. Yeah. You go to Romania. Like, they've got places. Dagestan, Kusik, Kyrgyzstan. Kyrgyzstan, yeah. Yeah.

Some place like that. Wow. Yeah, that's true. God, those countries are so depressing. I know. Yeah. No sun. You talk about Indiana and stuff being like, no, like there's just gray, dark gray,

muggy, no sun. You don't speak the language. Yeah. I'm like, I've been to Croatia. I mean, it was actually, it wasn't bad, but, you know, it's like, you know, and there's no money. You know, I always said Australia, but then when I seen what happened after COVID, when during the COVID thing, when all, you know, I don't know if you were paying attention. Yeah, it was like a police state. It was insane.

Dude, they locked them all in camps. And it's like, well, Australia's off to fucking, off to fucking map now. I wanted to go over there and live and like, fucking, but yeah, I had no idea how bad it would have got. It's like, well, no, I can't fuck around. But it's like, Australia is so fucking big. It's like, you could probably go build something out in the bush somewhere, but then you got to live out of the bush. Yeah.

Yeah, that was my fear with, like, when I was on the run, like going to Mexico. Okay, yeah, but now I have to live in Mexico. Yeah. Like, it's, it's, I don't want to live in Mexico. You know, I don't want to, it's a, it's a frightening place with all the cartels. You definitely can't hide anywhere in the United States. No. Small towns, you're fucked.

Big cities, you know, there's always the chance of somebody recognizing you. You know, you can change your identity. Don't ever call anybody you know or check any old emails or log in to any fucking anything. You know, stay off social media. These guys were never going to get away. Yeah. Like if they had a plan and maybe they found him somewhere in South America, I'd be like, hey, at least they, you know, they had a plan. They did the best they could, but there was just too high profile.

These two knuckleheads made it, you know, three or four hours away. And then they're, you know, it's ridiculous. Yeah. It just depends on also the amount of media. Look, if it was something like there was no media and they really just put a warrant out for you, you could definitely get away. You can move three towns over and fucking...

You'd be fine. But, yeah, not if there's a lot of press. And they're really looking. If they're really looking, they're going to find you. When they asked Whitey Bulger how he fucking stayed... Alan for so gone for so long. What do you say? Never leave house at night.

Is that what he said? Yeah. He said, only come out during the daytime. He said never leave the house at night And that's how he lived for all those years When the sun went down He was at the house Why

You feel like there was trouble at night Yeah I mean you know It'd get pulled over Or get fucking questioned Or fucking I don't know I guess during the daytime It's easier just to blend in with the crowd If you're like an older

Older gentleman And they were looking for him Dude he was in Vegas Fucking that's where they caught him right In Vegas And he was out there fucking Playing craps and fucking You know

Was he? Yeah I thought they caught him in Florida. No? I don't know. I'm pretty sure they got him in Vegas. We got to find out. Or Atlantic City or fucking Reno.

One of the fucking... Because I remember seeing video of him sitting there at fucking the slot machines, just chilling with a bucket hat on and some sunglasses. Like the Oceans 11 fucking old man garb. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. He was, well, he was, you know, an old... He was in the 70s, wasn't it? He was retired, right?

No, he was in California Did he get him in California? Mm-hmm He was on the run for 16 years 16 years Imagine You know what they called him

He had $600,000 In cash? Yeah, in cash And And weapons Throughout the whole house Yeah Tons of weapons

Most people were gonna try And come and get them Listen You see that movie Black Mass No Johnny Depp I want to see You know what he bolger

That's a good one Oh, it's a fucking good one. I want, and I, you understand that like, you don't even realize it's Johnny Depp for like the first 15 minutes of the movie. And you're like, oh my God, that's fucking. Well, I mean, obviously, if you know it's depth, then right. It's like, do they did such a good job on the makeup and fucking, you got to check that one out, man. I'm surprised you haven't seen that one. You've seen everything else.

No, but there's some, yeah, in Santa Monica. In Santa Monica. Yeah, yeah, that's right there, rice to fucking live. Yeah. Down there in Florida. That's where all the old gangsters go. I just assume, yeah. Yeah.

We're going down to Florida. Well, Poulger, 81. 81 years old. So he went on the run when he was in the late 60s. Wow, bro. Yeah, I wanted to see Black Mask, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. And yet literally, like, I'll think about it. like I've thought about getting that movie

probably within the last four or five days or the last week I actually thought because I'm constantly thinking like I'd like to get you know because there's so many good movies that came out when I was locked up. Oh I know. Playing catch up some motherfuckers. Right.

And I still am. I'm still like finding out this and this and that. And yeah, definitely. I definitely have to watch that. But yeah, back to the escape fugitives. They're just done. They were done and it's over. And this idiot, I wouldn't be shocked

if he did write that confession letter just to try and get himself moved back to that. Like that totally makes sense. 100% because that's the only way he was going to get back into a position to where she could, you know, manipulate the situation. Spring them, yeah. Yeah, and, you know, they had it all planned. I mean, they did a good job of planning up until that point. And I feel like she did kind of a good job of planning, you know.

Yeah, she got them out. Yeah, all that was flawless. It went off without a hitch. but then it went bad it went off without a hitch and then yeah they didn't really think it through

other than that they didn't get too far in the planning stages so yeah what are you gonna do all right you ready

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