Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Master Bank Robber Breaks Down His Most Infamous Heist

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

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We'll find out. We'd say this is a bank robbery, no tracers, no die patents. Mr. Shearer, are you guilty? We'll find out. Just me. In my head, I always had just somebody to talk to. I've named this second person me, Madduck. I've robbed the bank, and I know there's dogs on my trail, and I come to a cliff, and nobody can climb this dude, so I get to it, and I can remember Mad Duck saying, good luck, Rambo. As I fell off the rocks, I looked down, and there's a speeding Amtrak below me. Matthew Cox, Have you ever heard of the summer of love? Yeah.

Everybody has, right? 1967. My story starts shortly after that. I call it the winner of hate. I was born in 67, three days after Christmas, came home to a small farmhouse. It was my three sisters, my brother, my mom, and my grandmother. Dad is part Indian.

Came back from World War II, fighting the Japanese, started a family left, came back, put me in the oven, and now has gone for good. He's no longer in the story. So I grow up just being raised, mostly by my grandmother and my sisters, because my mom works all the time. And let me tell you a childhood story. So I was about seven years old. I was going to be Casper.

My brother says, you can go with the big boys on Halloween. So I go out with them. I said, there's a house. They go, don't worry about it. I said, there's a house. They go, don't worry about it. So we get to the top of a hill and there's an old maple and there's a branch that goes out and he take my costume and the other boys already have a small scarecrow made. And so they put the costume on it and they're going to swing it out so somebody thinks they've killed a child.

It's Halloween trick or tree, right? So I get to go under the fence and get a head start and that's exactly what they do. And from then on, you know, if I wasn't being chased, it wasn't a good Halloween. Yeah. That's a horrible story. Okay. Yeah, we also had, we didn't, but our neighbors always had snowmobiles and motorcycles. So we would play hiding, go seek snowmobile or hiding.

And one of my earliest memories is just running for my life while two 16-year-olds on a snowmobile would come up. and the kid on the back would slap you. And they also had field cars. So we would get these cars and just drive them around the field. So I got used to being chased and having just a higher, I don't know. Higher or what? It would take a lot for me to get interested in it. Okay.

You know, does that make sense? Yeah. I'm not going to watch TV. I don't play video games. I was always outside doing stuff. And so as this progresses, you know, this is the late 60s, 70s. There's every weekend, the same movies are on. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

I remember Bush. I love it. Okay, so you also remember. Jeremy Johnson, right? Colby doesn't know what Butch Cassidy and Sunday. Well, he's got something to do tonight. Watch this movie. It changed my life.

It put it down to toilet, but it still changed my life. I'll add it to the list. Yeah, absolutely. And so then there's Jeremiah. Johnson and the long riders. So that's why I was going to show you this one. By this age right here, I already knew I wanted to be a bank robber.

Okay? So this is the car I had to make myself because I didn't have Paul helping me. And you can see I didn't get a lot of first place. I think I got one and the rest are just third place. So we're an independent, you know? We know the cavalry's never come and we're always going to have to take care of ourselves.

Okay, so childhood goes on. We're always getting in and out of little trouble, always being chased, whether we're hitting cars with snowmobile, snowballs, apples, just anything. So at 1617, I take my parents' car because it's snowing, and they would both go to work in the same car. So I take the car, I break it, I get caught, I get sent to- You break it? You mean erect it? Yeah, well, it was a K-car, and it had on front-wheel drive. So the only way I could get it to do donuts was in reverse. So when I was doing donuts, I slid off the concrete and it hit.

How old are you? 16. Oh, of course. Okay. And so both hubcaps go flying in the air and I broke the axle. So me and my friends, we pushed it back up to the house. I took the snowblower. I covered it.

And then when my mom got home, I redug it out. And then she got in and it shook to shit. And so, yeah, I got caught on that. Oh, okay. So I guess... What happened to the car? It's crazy, Mom. It went to Brewster's garage, and Brewsters are the ones that would have the junk cars and the snowmobiles and stuff.

So that car never turned into a field car, but the local garage guys where their kids always had the field cars that we rode in. Okay. So, okay, so I go to Florida, go to my sister's house for a couple weeks, months, just to cool out. And I'm only there a couple of days. My sister says, you know, there's a construction site down at the end of the road. Why don't you go see if you can get a part-time job? Well, I've always been a worker. I've been working on a farm since I was 13.

So I go, I get a job, and it's mostly going out into the swamp, picking up insulation and stuff that's blown off the roofs. But one day they say, hey, man, the space shuttle is going to be launched. Why don't you come out on the roof? And so I go up on the roof, and there's like five radios. that I could hear, but there was, you know, these Florida apartment complex are enormous. And so we're sitting up there, we're waiting, and at our 10 o'clock position, there's a structure fire. It looks like it's 20 miles away or something. You can see it billowing up, and we're waiting.

And all of a sudden, every single radio goes, the space shuttle blew up, the space shuttle blew up. That smoke that I thought was like 20 miles away was actually the space shuttle, many, many miles away. Right. So after that happens, I go back to, I go back to my, you know, sister's house. Everything cools down. I go back to New York. And I basically get in some trouble again for criminal trespassing. But you could get out of it if you joined the army.

So I joined the army. I called my brother. I said, I'm in trouble again. I'm going to join the army and get out of it. We all knew I was going to the army. He says, okay, join as a medic. First of all, I'm really not the killer type. and medics can transfer wherever they want.

So I go, I go in the Army, I come back as a medic. I was sent to the 345th Combat Support Hospital. Now, this is the National Guard that I've joined. When I was in Florida, there's a base not far from my sister's house called Camp Blanden, and they had 20th group Special Forces there. So I went back to Florida, and I went and spoke with them to see if I could join. And, you know, I got a sloth. lot in there as a backup medic, providing I completed jump school and aerosol school,

and it had a list of things. So I moved to Florida, and when I'm not, I mostly, even though I joined third battalion 20th group Special Forces, Company D, out of Camp Land in Florida. And one of the first jobs they give me is that CSMS. And what that does is some sort of, it tests rifles, pistols. the machine guns would come in saws. And I would look at them, make sure nothing was broken, take them apart, make sure nothing was broken, put them back together, run a rod through them to make sure the barrel and then put

them in a bin. At the end of the week, we would test fire everything in the bin. So, you know, as the months go by, you're firing just thousands and thousands of rounds. And you're just super good with a gun. I mean, to this day, when it comes to a pistol or a rifle, I'm a super good shot. Okay. I can hit a bowling ball with a 1911 at 75 yards. You won't know what that means, but your viewers will.

Some of them are being, yeah. And I'm not saying I'm a good shot because I'm a good person. I'm saying I'm a good shot because I shop for many, many years free. Right. You know, it's my job to do that. So Desert Storm comes, 91. I didn't really take it serious until I found out my mom was flying down. And, you know, my mom would only fly down and she thought I was probably going to die to say goodbye, you know.

Right. So she flies down. I go off to Desert Storm. I go to Camp America in Fort Bragg. Okay? I don't have any good war stories. I do have one war story for you with a little bit of proof because it's so crazy. You're not going to believe me.

Okay. All right, so I'm at Fort Bragg at a place called Camp America. I'm getting ready to go to selection. That's Special Forces Advance selection. It's about 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning. There's three of us, Kevin's in charge. We're out for a long walk, a ruck march, and we're moving fast and quiet, but we're not hiding or anything.

And we're unfamiliar with this area. So we're taking a road, and I knew the road was closed because you could see how gravel was growing up. And there's a compound up ahead, and we're trucking along, and I know we pick up a tail. Somebody's following us. Because we're on a road, we can move a lot faster than them. They're good, but they're still making a little noise. So I go to Kevin, and I say, man, I think we're being followed.

What are you going to do about it? Whatever, it's probably just me. So I see this compound up ahead, and finally the road stops. But we are right up against the fence of this compound where we can look in the window, almost. Pretty, yeah, if somebody walked by the wind, no. So we're way too close. So I say, hey, what compound is that? He says, that's the delta

force compound. So that's the delta force compound. So it's got to be a delta force guy that's probably following us, correct? Right. All right. So this is 1991. And this joke isn't going to go over well. But a lot of people don't the movie 300 hadn't come out.

Okay. And these guys aren't big readers I'm with. So they don't know that the Spartans had mandatory homosexual acts. in their training. And they really did. Right. I don't think that was in the movie. No, that was missed too. So I walk up to the tree line where I think the guy is to see if I can get him so pissed off. That'll break his cover and beat me on. I say, hey, Kevin, you know,

I heard Delta Force is trained like the Spartans. He said, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I said, well, they're homosexuals, dude. And I go into a two or three minute high rate on how, you know, Delta Force is obviously bisexual and not against bisexuality. I'm just calling it for what it is. That's how you train these a bit bit. Finally I'm told to shut the F up. We put on our gear, we leave. I go exactly nine feet because it's burned

in my memory and a little piece of metal hits where I was standing. I knew somebody had thrown something at me, but Kevin actually thought it was a pin of a grenade. He finally said, I thought your New York mouth had finally got us killed. Now, I apologize to the Delta

Force guy. If he was there, And we went on our way. Okay, so Desert Storm, I don't do anything. Do you go to grade? No, I don't do anything. They don't fly you over there. Seven months. This is how I've lived for seven months.

Every day they said you're leaving tomorrow. Don't worry about getting anything. You're going to leave tomorrow. Seven months. The worst thing about it is it's old-fashioned porn. And see where my bed is? My company commander would sit there for hours watching porn. I couldn't do anything.

That's war. War's hell. You didn't even go over there? No, I never did anything. You don't get to pick. You know, I would have loved to go and then I would have some cool stories. Nothing. So we go back to Florida and I get out of the Army. I think Clinton took office and he said anybody that had already done their four years

can get out. And even though I was in the National Guard, I'd been in there for four years, and I'd re-up. So I have a chance to get out. So I'd get out. I moved to Texas when my brother owns a tree business. I work a year with him, get good with a chainsaw. I move to upstate New York where I'm going to build a log cabin. I find out I have to, that's going to cost a lot of money. So I become a registered nurse. I go to Maria College for two years. I get my nursing degree. By that time, something had changed to me, and I decided I would go to Alaska. There's tons of

towns like this. Completely preserved. And what is abandoned? Yeah, it's just abandoned. I drive my out to Alaska and I set up a camp on the Homer Spit. And I take a job. The first

job I got was unloading fish out of a boat. Now, I thought that these were going to be normal fish. They're not. These are halibate and tuna. They wait. like two or three hundred pounds you got to put them in a net so i lasted one boat and then i got a job at subway making sandwiches yeah well it's easy while i'm doing that i had set up a cool camp and uh a guy a rich guy who owned so i set this up on homer spit and there's a dude in a van

just staring at me for like 45 minutes so finally i walk over to him i say what's the deal and he says He asked me my deal. I say I'm a nurse. I came out here to, I don't know, become a nurse, build a secret log cabin and all that. He says, I own a place. He owned Great Alaska Fish Camp and Safaris. He asked me if I'm any good with a gun. I say, you bet. So I get a job as a bear guide. What? Yeah. At Lake Clark National Park. And can you see those claw marks? These bears were. were enormous 1,200 pounds and stuff. This one's just a cloth. And what's funny is my camp at Bear Camp looks exactly like the place I lived in the Army. It's great. So I do that for a summer.

When that ends, I get a job on Wrangel Island as a nurse. But they have a program where if you pass all these classes, it was neonatal recessive corps. a couple of advanced cardiac courses and an advanced trauma course. So I complete those and I become a flight nurse. Now, I would fly from Rangel Island to either Juno or Sitka, depending on what somebody needed. This wasn't, I never landed at an accident and jumped out and saved the person.

I flew, like one guy was a Mr. Crabtree was a GI bleed. So he needed to go to an actual hospital. So I would just be in the aircraft with him. I do that for a year, but I had an incident at the bear camp, just one incident. And it wasn't even that dangerous. But it put the fear of God in me when it comes to these bears because... They're not soft and cuddly. No, and you can't really stop them.

That was the first time in my life where people told me, well, okay, you can shoot it, bud. You know, usually, like, shoot it and it falls dead. They're like, well, what kind of gun you got, and how many shots do you got? So I'm told that even if you shoot them through the heart, they still got 45 seconds. Right. I don't want that in my woods. I smoke too much pot. I can't be paying attention like that.

Plus, the one thing in Alaska that drove me crazy is every time you go to the field, you have to make noise. And that just goes against every. I mean, you've got to bang pots and ring bear bells and stuff just to keep these things away from you. So I give up on that. and I come back to New York and I find some property and I'm starting to build a secret cabin. So this happens in 1999. 2000 comes. 2001 comes.

In those two years, I built my cabin. It's 2001. I decide to get a job out of state as a traveling nurse so I can make a bunch of money and finish the inside house. And I used restoration hardware. I had artists come in and paint. So I'm there and 9-11 happens. So I go to 9-11. I was actually at, I'll tell you the whole story.

I was at this apartment I had rented. And I knew two planes had hit, and I went and got coffee, and I came back, and they fell. Well, it had been hit once before, and so they had a plan if it got hit again, okay? and I knew about that plan. You saw the picture of the 13 ambulances. Right. So I knew when those buildings fell, they don't have any more EMTs. That's a wrap.

Everybody was there. So I just put on my uniform. I drive as close as I can. And then I showed my trauma ID to a police officer. And he put me in the back of the car. And he drove me up to the first ring. There was actually two rings around ground zero. One was police.

and the other one was National Guard. And I cannot remember which one was first. But I walked through one, and then I showed my ID, and then I walked through the other. So I get to ground zero, and nobody's hurt. I mean, the only sound is just paper, man. Just millions and millions of pieces of paper. There's no sirens.

There's really not a lot of people. You saw some of those. And for hours, there was just not a lot of people around. So before I had exited my car, I'd taken one sock and filled it with $20 bills. And then I'd taken Snickers, something I wish I'd done to this morning, and put them in my second sock. So I would have food because I knew I was going into a mess. So there was a 7-Eleven, and these firemen were going in and out and taking equipment and stuff,

flashlight, stuff like that. So I did lay $20 down. I'm not a looter. And I took that camera, and I took those pictures that I've showed you, and they are on my Instagram account. I only took those pictures

because there's nobody to help. You understand? Okay. So I'm going to tell you the worst 9-11 story. So there was an intersection, and further down the intersection where it was kind of cleared out, there was something blinking,

a sparkling thing. And so I kept going, I kept going, and then, ding, ding. And it's an arm. It's a woman's arm from here down. And every single finger had at least three rings on it, even her thumb. And then they were all silver. She had a huge diamond. Her pinky had all that, too.

Then she had approximately 13 to 15 silver bracelets. And she had a charm bracelet. And you could tell that she had gotten something for like Easter, Christmas, and a birthday. Right. By the charms. And it was a money charm. This girl, this woman was, I call her a princess. In my book, I wrote the, it's called the princess's arm.

She was beautiful, man. Her skin was tan. She had those little fine gold hairs. So I thought about picking it up. But then, like, you know, I, well, go ahead. This is just an arm. Yeah, this is just an arm. And I almost overlooked something.

Everything is covered in gray. You saw the photos. The arm's not. The arm looks like it's alive. It's golden, dude. It's tan golden. How do you think that arm wasn't covered with dust? There's only two ways.

Someone placed it there later. Right? Or, oh man, it must have been blown so. high up in the ground that after all the dust settled, it came down. Nobody moved that arm, dude. There is nothing like that happened. That's the only thing I can think, dude. Can you think of anything else?

No. So I thought about picking it up, but there was no place to carry it. And then, I don't know, crazy thoughts start going through your head. Like, you know, if you pick that up, you're going to know how long that weighs for the rest of your life. and then how do you really carry an arm? Should I grab it like in a handshake and whip me out? You know? I never carried an arm.

I've seen a lot of dead bodies. I've never actually carried pieces of them. So I left it there and I will always feel a little bit like a piece of shit for that. And I, yeah. Well, I don't know. I'm not sure you could walk around or should be walking around with an arm anyway. Like where am I going to come in scrubs? It's not like you were going to bring up.

And there was more pieces. What am I going to start out collecting them? You're talking about just picking. you up and getting out of the street. Yeah. Because I'm thinking. Everybody would think that. Yeah, because in my mind, I'm thinking the value of the rings or something. No, no.

Yeah, there's no money. Yeah, for me, it's funny, I was in a jewelry store. Money was. That's where I thought the story was going. Oh, no, I never even thought of money. No, you should just think about picking it up and doing science. But what are you going to do this? The family could have identified her with that.

Which I'm sure they did. Yeah, absolutely. It wasn't your job. Your job's to try and find people, right. Everybody's. That are helpful. Right. Exactly. Helpable a word? Whatever.

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I'm not going to tell you the story where we ate the German Shepherd, but what I will tell you is that dog is terrible. It's white and stringy. There, I don't eat dog. So now what? Now we're going to get to the true crime. Finally. God.

So it's 2008. I'm working at Bedford Hills Correctional Facility. You're working there? Yeah, I'm working there. I've also, so, yeah, this whole time I'm working as a traveling nurse. I'd also worked at Great Metal Maxim's Curitius. correctional facilities. I've worked at quite a few New York State correctional facilities as an agency nurse. That's all. I don't, I don't, I'm not a state worker and that's

going to come in handy. So I'm down in Bedford Hills. I'm working 16-hour shifts. I'm giving money for an apartment for room and board, but I don't use it. I have a pickup truck, so I parked the pickup truck way in back and I just sleep in the back of it, right? So that's what I'm doing. and a woman, a girl, really, 21-year-old correctional officer, who I had worked with parked out there. And this dude, I didn't know it at the time, but he was a lieutenant off-duty guy pulled up and decided that he wanted some of that.

And so I'm listening to this outside my car, and finally he just puts his hands on her. So I had a German entrenching tool, and I get out, and I'm going to save the girl. and he looks at me, and I knew that he either had a gun in his waist or ankle. So if he pivoted for one of those, you just break their collarbone. And when you fight with a German tool like that, you break the collarbone, and then you'll go around later and clean up.

But you've got to break that collarbone first. He doesn't. He pivots and runs right for his car. So I take the girl, I put her in my truck, and I drive to a hotel. I put her in a room, and I sleep on the floor. because I'm just wore out. And I feel like I really need to mention this. Starting in 2000, I had started taking narcotics

while building my cabin. I'd cut a tree and it hit another tree. I'd hurt my back. I'd gone to the VA and they had prescribed me viking. Over this seven-year period, that has now skyrocketed. So now I'm getting 240 Class A narcotics. mailed to me from the VA. They mail them to a little box.

Can I say the names or were they? Well, narcotics. Pain killers. Pain killers. Okay. So we have a major drug problem. That's going to be super important. To that. Okay, so I get out, I grab the girl, I save the girl.

I'm a hero. The next morning, I go back, I drop her off. I go back to my cabin, turn off my phone. Well, seven people had watched this go down. They didn't get involved because this dude is, you know, a lieutenant. But like I said, I'm just agency. I don't care about that. Plus, I'm not going to have you putting your hands on girls around me.

I was raised by women. So I come back. Seven people rat me out. I have to go see the superintendent. His secretary is a beautiful young Irish girl. I give a bullshit story. He knows it's a bullshit story. Because I don't really want to rat this guy out.

even though he's a dick, I can't just rat somebody out. But he's been rated out so much that I have to do it. Well, over the period of me writing and rewriting this, I'm using his secretary. So this girl is writing all this down, and I just seem like a hero, right? Jump out of the truck and stuff. So this girl falls in love with me.

And I like her too. I love her too, right? So also at that time, while I was traveling, I was not straight and narrow with my taxes. No, I just didn't pay them. You know, I needed to finish this cabin. And America didn't seem broke, so I didn't really think they needed it. So I don't pay.

So I have $11,000 in my account. They take it. I can't have that, dude. I'm going to need that back. So that's where the true crime comes in. I brought up this other stuff. It's really the government's fault. you in this position.

Absolutely. First they get me high as fuck. Then they take all my money and they're like, well, you're acting like a maniac on a yeah, because you gave it to me. Right. But, um, so you understand I'd had the training. I'm good with a gun. I'm a loner. I didn't think Robin Banks was a very big step for me. Uh, my sister is a bank manager here in Florida. Oh, Green Cove Springs. And, uh, she had told me everything. You know, not like because I was going to rob a bank, but because I'm around my sister.

I'm always asking her question. So we're familiar with banks. We've traveled all through Connecticut, all through New York from, all the way from Great Metal down to Bedford Hills. So we know a lot of banks. Because when we worked remotely, we would stay there and then we'd get the check

and we'd go to the local bank and cash. Right. So I know a bunch of good banks. Good with a gun. Banks aren't hard to find. No. No, not at all. You're right on that.

So when I decided to become a bank robber, because I was a professional soldier, because I was a registered professional nurse, of course, when I go into bank robin, I'm going to try to do it professionally. Rule number one, don't get anybody hurt. Nobody really hates bank robbers unless somebody gets hurt.

And then the ABCs or A, always leave with the money. B, better than you, if the shooting starts and see, can't fix your mistakes, get them right the first time. Not a career criminal and I do not think it's okay to be a bank robber. That said, you know,

it's a good story, so we're going to tell it. So we'll start off, I'll tell you three bank robber stories. If you want more, I'll tell you more. But a lot of times, a bank job is really nothing more than a withdrawal with hard feelings and hard stares. I mean, they'll stare at you like, boy, they're going to get you. That's all it really is.

but there's a couple that stand out. So this would have been Operation Grasshopper. What I would do is I would let my wife pick a place in the world to go, and then I'm going to rob that bank, and we're going to go there. You're married? Yeah. This is to the lieutenant secretary. You know what?

You just said you fell in love. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got married. Actually, during Operation Grasshopper, I was not married. Later, she would tell me this is the trip that made her fall in love with me. I don't see how. But, so I'm going to go get that money back, remember? Yeah.

So this is Operation Grasshopper. Named after in Amsterdam, there's a Barbarian Steakhouse called the Grasshopper. You need to go there. So here's the plan. Operation Grasshopper. Okay, so the bank's on the corner. There are some imperative things about Rob in a bank. One of the main things is, of course, don't hurt anybody.

And number two is they must not see the vehicle you leave in, unless you have like a drop card, and I didn't have all that. Right. So I'm going to leave an area. When I leave the bank, I'll have an open area. If anybody's following me and wants to be a hero, you know, we could put rounds over their head or whatever, scare them off. I go into this bank.

Yeah, we kind of did it. So this would have been the note. We'd do it kind of like this. And then we'd slam the 45 down. it's loud. We'd say this is a bank robbery, no tracers, no die packs. Do your job and you'll have a cool story to tell

your friends on Facebook. Fuck around and you will be the story. But this is going to happen. Who's we? Oh, yeah. Just me, but um... Oh man, I've missed so much because I was nervous

and stuff. So, being always by myself and stuff, I had a best friend in my head. and stuff. And so, yeah, unfortunately, I am my own best friend. So just because there wasn't always kids to play with. So I would watch these movies, and then I would go out and play. And in my head, I always had a, just somebody to talk to.

Later, when I was a bear guide, I went to the Bluegrass, the Telkeetna Bluegrass Festival. I was supposed to go with another guide, but he didn't make it. So I go by myself. I'm all pissed off. There's an Indian there. He's selling mushrooms. So I go to him. He said, can I buy some mushrooms?

But I don't have any friends. Can I sit here? I had a case of beer. And I said, you can have as many beers as you want if I can just, you know, trip here. And he said, absolutely. I later named him Chief Ten beers. And so he's talking to this girl, we're taking the mushrooms, and we're tripping all that. And he's giving her an Indian name.

So I said, hey, I want a name. Indian name, and he just looked at me and said, Mad Duck, and went right back to the girl. So for narrative purposes and for book and maybe just sanity, I've named the second person, me, Mad Duck. So it would be, I'm Butch Cassidy, he's the Sundance. So maybe because I didn't have a dad or somebody there, I just got this made-up person I could become in tight situations, you know, kind of. to like my own calvary in my head.

Okay. Does that make any sense? Yeah. Sure it does. You're locking the door after I leave. No. Oh, so when I will often, I'll always speak in the third person. We, we, we. And in that when I say we, I mean me and Madduck. And that's another voice in my head that's always talking. So we get in the vehicle. Me and Maddoch, I turn on the radio.

I actually had it set up. I was using Mariah Carey Fantasy. You know, just cool down. I had a plan all tracked out. I jump in the vehicle. We'd go through some evergreens where opened up, boom, at my 2 o'clock position as a sheriff. He has no lights on, not even his regular lights on. Have you already robbed the bank?

Yeah, this is less than a minute from robbing the bank. So I don't know if the road is a T or whatever. I know instantly we're going to drive by. each other. And I remember Mad Duck saying either that's not possible or that's impossible. You've read the book The Secret.

No. But I understand. You understand. Okay, so the Army is going to teach you something similar. You're going to go in with a positive attitude. You're not going to go into combat or robbing a bank like, man, I sure hope this works out. Yeah. You know, because it's not.

So I once I went into that bank. I don't know. I just knew it was going to be okay. I didn't do that on the bed. Once I leave, then I'm just a regular person. I don't have my made-up superpowers anymore. Right. So here's this cop, man. And I didn't freeze. I compared to those dogs that get in trouble on the on the internet, and you know how they don't look at you? They just keep, that's all I could do. I just didn't look at them until we were right on top of each other. And then I'm in a higher vehicle. I look down at him. He's a white guy, 25 or something years old.

We go by each other. And now I just hit it. Because at the time, I thought he had the call and he was blocking the back road. But I realized he probably hadn't got it yet. But as soon as he gets that call, he's going to know it was that vehicle. The area, these banks that I'm hidden, they're out in the middle of nowhere. It's not like heavy traffic. He knows that vehicle is the bank robber.

And I got a 15-minute drive on super snowy roads until there's an east-west, and I can get on that and get away. So I gun it. So I'm going along, boom. I had put a prop on this vehicle. So if you looked at it, you would have thought it was one type of vehicle because of this prop, but it wasn't.

And that actually worked. I made a soft top jeep look like a hard top And I made a green Jeep look black And it did go down as a black hard top Jeep That prop falls off Start slamming up against the side of the Jeep Because I just had like, you know, jerry-rigged it and stuff So there's a pull off

I pull off I go up into some Everglades And I just went up into the Everglades Just because it seemed like the vehicle fit I get out and I'm fixing the problem. I hear wop, wop, wop of a helicopter. So I go out where I can see, and sure enough, it's a Huey, but it's the New York State Police. And this is 15 minutes out of after the robbery.

I don't know how they got on me so fast, but I spent the night there with the vehicle. During this robbery, I showed you how I did it, la, la, la. I told those girls that I needed all four drawers, and I'm going to need you to lift the drawers. There was two girls working. They got all four drawers. So much money that it was actually falling off on the ground, falling down off there, and I didn't take my eyes off.

I named this girl zero girl, because she gave me zero trouble, man. Really, they were very, very professional. I get that all done. This happened during the wintertime. I had thought going out during the snow in winter that I would not have to deal with so many cops and helicopters, but they're all over the place.

Summer comes. Walking down the street, this girl, Adam, starts screaming my name, Victor, Victor, Victor, I go over, I talk to her. She introduces me to a girl, a guy, or girl. I'll say hi and talk and all that, go back. To talking to her, she says, yeah, those are the girls that work at such and such a bank. It's zero girl and her friend. I say, hey, can I go grab a beer and you'll tell me the story of the robbery?

Absolutely. Just like I told her. You don't have a cool story to tell your friends. Yeah, I go and I get the beer and she tells me her version of this story, which is not. What happened? Yeah, I never said, don't look at me. Why would I say that? There's cameras there.

So, what were you wearing a mask? How do they not recognize you? Oh. Well, I wouldn't wear a mask. but I would dress on that particular job. I think the person may have dressed as they had a helmet on, and I would have it all up here, and I would have sides and glasses. Other than, I think you, well, if you go on the Internet,

I think you'll be able to get a glimpse of how I would do it. I would always wear a uniform. Sometimes I went as construction worker, and sometimes I went in, it almost looked like a brown U.P. and then I did another one kind of dressed down, bigger coat. She didn't recognize you.

You wouldn't. You wouldn't because I had three inch lifts. I had made my own fat suit and I had a helmet on. But more importantly, I had the Mad Duck side of me, you know? So when you talk to Victor,

you're like, whatever, but you talk to Mad Duck, that's a real dude. You're going to give them the money. All right. Okay. All right, so that one's down. Oh, so we take that money and we do.

We go to Amsterdam. and we rent the oldest house boat, man, we had the greatest time this poor girl falls in love with me. And it was around this time that I'd realized I couldn't beat my drugs, so I had decided I would get myself off. Take the long, cool sleep. Yes, so this drug habit that I'd acquired, this monkey on my back, I couldn't quit it. It had me beat. So I'd come up with the plan that I would just get myself, I can't off myself, but I can put myself in situations where I'll probably get killed.

So that's what we're going to do. We decided we're just going to rob as many banks as we can and travel the world. The first job was I would let my wife, I was pretty much just a piece of shit, stay-at-home drug addict. And when she got fed up, this would take six to eight months of me. She would like, well, I'd be like, okay, well, we'll go on a trip, pick a spot. and she would pick a spot. So that's where Operation Grasshopper happened.

And after that, the second robbery, there was nothing to, the only thing I can tell you about the second robbery is that the manager was actually huge. He looked like a lumberjack. I mean, absolutely huge. And even though I had a weapon, I did not want any trouble with that guy. So we went, after that, we went to Ireland for St. Patty's Day because she was Irish. and she's actually named after a hill. Okay.

Can I go back? Sure, yeah. How much did you get in the first one, roughly? Upstate New York workers' yearly salary. Okay. Take home. So. All right.

And the second one? The second one was about... Not great. Not great. You know, because, you know, the average bank robber gets like... Like a grand or two. Well, you have to get every single drawer, and they need to lift those drawers. and you should probably hit them right before lunch or right before closing.

Right. Why do they need to lift the drawers? Oh, because they'll get to a certain amount and then they take it out of the drawer and put it underneath it. Most of the real money is underneath that drawer, unless God forbid they actually have a drop box, but some don't. You're not getting into the drop box, probably. No, no, I can't. Because you want to be in and out. You want to be in and out, but because I knew this was going to end like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,

Remember, they go out and they get all the kill? That's what I was rating for. So I never had any, you know, hurry up. I did say we need to get me out of here. But one thing that did happen on that operation was I did catch my eyes or Mad Duck's eyes right before I went in. And I said, are you nervous? He says, no.

He said, are you scared? He says, no. He said, well, you've got to be something. You're throwing your life down. You've got to feel something. And he just said, I feel like getting it over with. Let's go. So I never got a rush out of it

I'm not saying I would fall asleep during one You're definitely a but it was I never got a rush I don't know why Okay Yeah so Operation Fundy one comes She wants to go to the Bay of Fundy and see whales Have you ever been to Nova Scotia

Fucking beautiful man Everything is beautiful You can take a cold Oh you go in the summertime We went in the summertime to go whale watch It still feels like it'd be cold. It does. But it wasn't.

It may not be. But it looks at it. No, it's the most beautiful place in the world that I'd been to. Okay. Even to this day, I mean, just, you take a picture of a trash can. You'd want to put it up on a poster. He'd be like, look at you. But I don't know.

Everything just seems foreign and cool over there. Okay, so Operation Funday 1 is going to be a Bank of America's regional office because we're not good. And this is a big one, dude. We're going to take it on a Saturday. The problem is it sits by itself. And from the front door till across the road is probably 150 yards. And there's no cover.

And there's no cover on any other sides either. This building sits alone. And when you pull in from the first one, it has a, you know, enter this way, exit that way. And then you can either park right here and go in this door or the employees going back and park. And when they leave, they go out this way. Is that all making sense? Yeah. Yeah.

So again, we wait on this one until we really got a good snowstorm because two out of three of the last jobs, I've had a helicopter on me. So it's snowing bad. I get stuck behind this guy. The reason, of course, not just helicopters, but police vehicles are not all four-wheel drive. And even if they are, they're going to get stuck behind, you know, the guy that's not, doesn't have four-wheel.

So it really, I always had four-wheel drive, and it really cuts down on the, the reaction time. So it's a bad snowstorm. There's a V in the road, and on the right V is the bank. In between the right V and the left V is a neighborhood. So I'm going to take the left V, park in the neighborhood, cross the road, and do the 80 yards to the bank.

Hit the bank, come out and just hope nobody starts shooting at me, because there's just nothing I can do on that one. So on the way there, everything keeps getting delayed, delayed, you know, because traffic is terrible. Finally, I get to my spot, get out, I get to the road, and I cannot get across this road. Traffic.

Literally, hundreds of people went by a bank robber holding his folder. At this point, during the robberies, I was taping the gun in the folder. I'd actually gone from being real aggressive. turning it down. You don't have to slam it. They just have to see it. You know, so I've got it in a folder. It'll still work if I need it, but it's really more of a prop. No, man, I cannot get across this road. It's just bumper to bumper traffic, traffic, finally I get across. There's instantly a problem. Maddoch says, yo, there's a blazer like an O.J. Simpson blazer parked in the wrong,

he's parked facing out on the inter thing. Like he's waiting for somebody to come. If you came out the bank and walked, you'd walk right into his vehicle. So he's got to be there to pick somebody up, right? Maybe a bank robbery going in progress? You know what? I never ever thought of that.

Man, I never ever thought of that. As you imagine you're walking up, a guy's running out. You're like, yeah, it would have been crying. I never thought of that. What I knew is that this guy would have no problem driving over me. me, even on the lawn. Like, even if I didn't get on the sidewalk, he can run me over in this

vehicle, dude. And so I was like, Mad Duck, do you have any plans? He says, absolutely. We're going to come out, shoot him, and take that vehicle to our vehicle. I said, you got any other plans? He says, yeah, we're going to come out, we're going to shoot out those tires. You got any

plans that doesn't have me firing my weapon? No, I don't. So I'm almost to the door, and I've got these big, They were called cataract glasses. You ever seen those? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wear those.

Those hide half of your face. So I'm looking at this guy, and he's staring right at me. The blazers running, but you have to understand to be a bank robber. You've got to have that commitment. You can't just, oh, no, I'm not going to do it now. So once I climbed out of that vehicle, it was like making sure I was here. Once that clicks in my head, I can't turn it off. So I cannot back out of this job.

and I don't have to, because here comes the chick that's going to go to his car. She goes up and she's pushing the door and then she flips the sign to close and goes just like this. I'm sorry. And I stopped, and I turned around and walked back. That was just a job that didn't go well.

The next one we'll talk about is the last one I did, and that's called Operation Vanilla. Have you ever been to Bora Bora? No, me neither. I was supposed to go to Vanilla Island. Bora Bora is actually a series of islands. Well, one of them had an old vanilla plantation on it.

And they had these little bungalows out over the water, and I'd officially never really taken my wife on a honeymoon, per se. So we're going to go there and smoke and ride turtles around an island. that smells like vanilla, right? That's got to be fun. So this is Operation Vanilla. On this job, I'm going to use my car, but, no, I'm just using my car.

Here's where we make a super mistake. We always had clothes and bags and gloves put away that was never, ever touched, unless it was for a robbery, and then it disappeared. because DNA is a big deal, dude. I have psoriasis. I leave DNA everywhere, so I'm conscious of that

until I'm a major drug addict and then not so much. So I get up in the morning and I put on a pair of dirty cargo pants and I go down to the locker I have. I open it up. I take the clean gloves. I take the clean bags. I put them in that pocket. I go with my wife.

wife, I already have it all mapped out. I drop her off at work. I drive to her back parking lot because I know there's no cameras. I look at all the cars, nobody's around. Somebody is around. I'll find out later. A woman had dropped her son off at work, showed up early, and put her seat back to read a fucking book.

So no, I didn't see her. So I put on the uniform I'm going to wear her for this job. I switch out the tags. I go, I catch this bank, and I know this bank, just as it opens. I put a cone. I used to like to bring cones sometimes. Because if you put a cone in front of a door, it really does slow people down. Really, it does.

Yeah. So I go in, I catch it just as it's open. It's just her and a manager. When I say her, this is like a 55-year-old, perfect school teacher woman. Like she's got a white turtleneck on with a white sweater that would button down. And just a perfect, nice stern, always going to do the right thing, woman. So I come up and I open up the folder and the folder says, this is a robbery. And then the gun is right there.

So I put it down and then as she comes up, she hits her hand. She goes like this. When she does, this one hits the alarm. So I said, dear, did you just hit the alarm? All the color drains from her face. I say, well, we need to get going here. I'm not going to take myself hostage. And I really don't care if I walk out that door

and there's 10,000 cops. You still have to give me that money, man. So as soon as I said that, she realized, I know she realized I wouldn't hurt her. Because her, she changed completely. Her face turns bright red. takes out the money, she's slamming it down. I said, I'm going to need all four drawers.

Screams, why? They're empty. I'm the only one here. Look back at the manager. I don't know if he's ignoring her or what. I say, honest, engine. Because I know you're lying. I know she came in early. She opened up the vault with the manager. She took all these pre-counted trays and popped them in there. Right. You don't have to lie.

So she knows she's caught. She goes over to open the drawer. whips out this set of keys. There had to be 30 or 40 keys. All of them identical. Tries looks at me. Looks at the clock. Second key looks at me. I waited till the fourth key and I walked back and took the money and walked out. I mean, she kind of had me beat on that one. When I get to the door, I realize one of the main things they like to do is they'll give you stacks of loose $1 bills. Well, Those have a ink on them. So you're going to, that ink will be everywhere.

And soon or later, cop with a little certain light will go click. And once he knows you were at that 7-Eleven because those bills were there, then he just watches the camera. You knew about that, right? No, no, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Tracers die packs and then there's like an ink money. And it's all $1 bills because then you're just like this with every of them.

So I dump that money. What can I do with it? The whole job was a complete disaster, and I leave. I go home, I go to a safe house I have, swap everything out. My wife gets off of work. I go right down, pick her up. That night, I should have put in fuel in her vehicle so that she would take her car back. She did.

I didn't, because I'm a worthless drug addict. So last thing I hear from her is Jeep's on empty, I'm taking the car. She takes that car right back down and by then it had been all over the news and stuff. So the woman that I had missed called it in. Says, hey, blah, blah, blah. So they go back to that parking lot.

Pretty soon I'm getting text messages from my wife saying, hey, there's people around the car. And I'm like, ah, might be the inspection. And then she's like, security just called me down. So at this point, I know I'm fucked, man. Sounds like she's fucked. No, she doesn't know anything. You know, she's a nice good person.

Sounds like a you problem, sweetie. Car's in my name. And this is the type of girl that you would look at her and be like, you know what? You married a piece of shit husband. I'm going to be the hero that kills him for you. You know, people liked her a lot more than they liked me. I know the gig is up.

I've got weapons at my house and some other stuff I need. get rid of. So I get rid of those. And how should I? That's the best thing. I ended up, I decide I'm going to borrow a friend's car. Go ahead. I'm sorry. How many banks have you wrong? Five banks. Five banks. Okay. I've only ever been convicted of one. I've been suspected of the two others. During Operation Vanilla, I told you I put on dirty pants. Yes. Well, when I put that bag in for the robbery, I had already put my hands in those dirty pants. So they were filled with squamous cells. When I put that plastic bag in there, it got the squamous cells. When I took that plastic bag and put it on that bank counter, I left my squamous cells. That's why I could not get out of that robbery.

They had my DNA. The bank teller, that woman that I argued with looked at my picture and said, I don't think so, and pointed out an off-duty cop. Three. people, nobody has ever ID'd me. They all picked the cop. Who was a real dude? If you look at me in real life, you're like, I don't think so. So I was only caught on that one because they had my DNA, unless

they had gone to my house and grabbed my toothbrush, which they might have. But when I was being held in Albany County, they came in with a court order swabbed, and next thing you know, they had my squirm cells. And that's the only way I can think, because I was very diligent about making sure I did

leave DNA. And that's the only reason I would call myself a professional. Number one, I knew that the most important thing is not to hurt people. Right. And number two, don't make it look like you're the same guy robbing all those banks. Yeah, yeah. Don't get cute. Don't do that. Yeah.

In fact, the only reason I'm telling this story is because we're going to do the drug part. Yeah, so it never looked like a, you know, and they were so random. Later, I will be questioned for those, and I'll tell you how I think I got out of them. Okay. Okay, so I go to my friend's house and I'm going to borrow their car. I get a message from Tara saying she's been called down to security. The next message I get from her about an hour later says, sweetheart, I'm sick. Can you meet me at home?

We don't call each other like cupcake names and shit. That's not her. So, of course, I say, you bet. I'm on my way, and I head south towards her dad's house. While I'm heading to Rockland County, I'll tell you everything that happens at my house. At some point, they send snipers through with gilly suits, and when they don't take any fire, they come in with a bobcat. They had a bulletproof bobcat with a big pole on it, and they have found the secret cabin, and they are not happy.

and even though my wife had the keys to the door, fuck you, Victor. So they take this battle ram. I'm told this story from my wife and the police. I was on the run. You know, it took them three tries because I got these custom-made doors that are this thick and open out.

Well, they just finally, they broke through it and they just ripped the cabin apart. Nothing is found there. But now every single cop in the state of New York is pretty much after me. So, and this is growing. Later, you know, my wife told me what was going on. It's like a couple hour drive down to Rockland County.

I don't know it, but I now have two helicopters on me, and the world is closing in on me. So I go to my father-in-law's house. I go in, I tell him the situation. I've robbed a bank, but they had Tara, and we're talking about what to do when the first phone rings, and it's the person's whose car I borrowed. So I pick it up.

And the reason I'd swapped with this girl is that she had said she was going to have nothing going on this evening. Well, I guess when she says that, that includes going to town for Pilates, because every single person in the cop in the world is looking for my vehicle. That's why I've taken hers. Oh, she drives right down in town. And next thing you know, she's handcuffed on the vehicle. La, la, la, la, la, where's Victor?

Where's Victor? She doesn't know. This is just a regular good person. Another regular good person that's not been hurt cousin. Right. So she calls me. I answer the phone. She says, yo, somebody's here to talk to you.

It's the state police. He said, Victor, do you know what this is about? And I said, well, I said, am I speaking to the officer who pretended to be my sick wife? And I got real quiet. And he says, if you don't turn yourself in right now, we can't protect you. boy that just stung me like I needed his protection

so I from him from him hello so I don't remember this part but he later told me I said I'll call you back I don't remember saying that I remember him saying that to me

and then the whole house started to shake and then I was outside walking and what it was is one of the police helicopters was coming down trying to get like a land in area and it was shaking the house man so when i found myself outside i looked and i could hear the gears of apc's armored personnel carriers not the track ones you know the ones they use yeah there's three of them dude there is cops there's two helicopters everybody's showing up dude and they're gonna make a circle a perimeter

And I just lucked. You know, the perimeter started here. I was just here, so I went this way. So I just got out of this circle. And this is in Rockland County, and I just start going downhill crossing roads. Downhill crossing roads. I did notice that there was no traffic that night. I didn't realize the whole world is blocked off.

So I come down to a road, and I start walking it, And a car comes, and I hide underneath these bushes just in case it's a cop. And there was two houses fairly close, and one of them had a half-circle driveway. And where that half-circle ended, there was a pretty good-sized bush. It was under that bush that I hid. It's a state police canine blazer. And as soon as he gets even with me, kills his lights and whips in like this. I'm listening to the engine tick.

you know how they tick when they cool down if he lets this dog out I'm just going to give myself up but he doesn't so I get up I walk down that driveway and there was a very large travel trailer there one of those real fancy ones I did not mess

with that travel trailer if I bumped into it it was just because it was dark I didn't try to break into it so I go on I only bring that up because that's later surrounded the door doors ripped off and they blow it up. And then they want me to pay for it.

Yeah, I'll come to that. I didn't mess with anybody's camper, dude. I'm leaving. So, when I went past that camper and stuff, I went into an area of about 50 yards that was Bougainville. Do you know what that is? It's like a tree that grows out of like two feet of water. It's perfect for getting rid of dogs.

Dogs can't get through it. And I know there's dogs on my trail. So I get through this swamp, and then there's about 20 feet, and I come to a clip. Have you ever taken the train to or from New York City? No. Well, a lot of your listeners have, so they'll know exactly where I am. When you're on the train, on one side is just the Hudson River. On the right side, right next to the train is a clip.

You know, they've just, it's 60 to 80 feet high. And nobody can climb this, dude. Okay? Well, I don't have a choice. So I get to it. I can remember Madduck saying, good luck, Rambo. You remember the movie Rambo where the do, Rambo gets there and he has to climb? I remember Rambo.

Yeah, dude, I'm in that position. I cannot run any of these cops in the swamp. They're going to call me. I don't have that guy's protection anymore. I have to get a guy. I have to get away. Honestly speaking, they want to shoot bankroppers. I have a C-Doh.

I don't have that particular pistol on me, but I am armed, but I'm not going to shoot cops. They definitely want to shoot me now, and that's fair. But I can't get caught now. So I got to climb it, man. I make it about 25% of the way down, and that's a wrap. So in the Army, they teach you if you start falling, you know, to kind of just start grabbing on anything, just slowing yourself down. So as I fell off the rocks, I looked down and there's a speed and am track below me, man,

like going 100 miles per hour. For a brief nanosecond, I had that thought of Robert Redford when he's running on the train and jumping. You can't do that on this train, dude. I remember Madduck saying, I got nothing. And the way he said it was like, you're fucking dead. Well, it's kind of an optical illusion. they've actually caught an area about three feet and so I land there

I crumple and as my head goes back I'm like two feet away from that train going then it's all quiet well I've smashed up my back I've smashed up my hand Matt Duck says well there's their blood trail and I look up and this will give you viewers where exactly I am and I see the Bear Mountain Bridge

and it's beautiful dude. It's got cops all across it. The way they lined up, it was symmetrical. They had three police cars, then a yellow lights, and then two more police cars. So it looked like a big necklace.

Mad Duck's like, look, that's for you. So then I know there's a lot of people after me. If they've got that bridge closed off, everybody's after me. So I start walking away from that, And I'm looking at the Hudson, and I see there's all these covered rocks with the moss and da-da-da-da. I see a moss-covered rock that's a perfect square. Well, there's no such thing, right?

That's a piece of styrofoam, deck styrofoam. Maddux's like, we're out of here. You'll notice my whole life I go back to movies. So now I'm thinking the deer hunter. Remember when those guys jumped on the log and got away from the POW camp? Yeah. I'm going to take this thing, swim out to the Hudson, and then float away. So, yeah, that's really a good plan.

So I started, I reach in my pocket, I've got like 35 to 40 pills. And I don't know why I did this, but I started counting my dose out. And Mad Dogg says, what are you doing? You're saving some for tomorrow? Because you need to look around. We're out of tomorrow's, kid. you have fucked this up beyond fixing it. The best thing you can do is to take all those pills.

Go out there, have one of those little seizures of yours, float out to the sea, never be found. A mystery, just like Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid. This is my chance to die a legend. I said, yeah, man. So I take the pills. And this is telling you how committed I was. Do you have any idea how filthy the Hudson is?

I imagine it's pretty polluted. Terrible, dude. So I just cupped the water because I ain't got to worry about the diarrhea. Kid, we're not down for that. We're not going to be around for that. So I take it, and one of the little pain killers gets caught right back here. So it actually took me all of the water to get the bastards down.

I got them down. So now is our plan. and we're going to walk out there and see if we can float with this thing. It's about, I don't know, 8 or 9 o'clock at night. It's a half moon. It's warm out. It's August sometime. August 2013, I'd really love to talk to one of the cops that chased me.

So I just go out as far as I can, and I find that if I hold this thing underneath my chin and I do scissors, I can keep my head above water. Okay? So I go in the huts in, I'm going, I'm going, and a garbage barge comes. And this is my first time being a buoy, so I'm not sure how fast I can travel. And even though I know I'm going to die, I don't want to get run over by that garbage barge. Something about being sucked underneath into the propellers.

I didn't want that, you know, I just thought I'd have my seizure and float away. I didn't want to go in the propellers. Right. So now I got to, you know, I'm watching this because I don't know how fast it comes. in the end, the thing ends up passing me from here to your microwave. And only my head is above water. And I'm thinking, what could I say? What is the one thing I could say to somebody that would fuck up their life if they saw a floating head?

And the only thing I could come up with is do not masturbate. You know? What would you say if you saw a head that said, do not masturbate? You're going to have a hard time masturbate. That's all I could think of to say. I don't know why I didn't have that overdose. Maybe it was the cold water. Did you?

Did somebody see you? No, nobody saw it. Nobody was on the railing. So you just hope you were thinking, yeah. I do see somebody. I can't hide. Okay, this is what I'm going to say to you. Yeah, I didn't know.

Okay. But you didn't. No. I did not wreck somebody's masturbation career. Got it. I don't know why. And I think I spoke to you. I thought it would be fun if we could show where I went in and where I got out.

Because to this day, I don't know how many miles I drifted, but I could locate the place I got out of. So now it's four or five hours later. To be honest, I've totally forgotten about the drugs and overdosing and all that. And I've just, Mad Duck keeps saying, just get to the other side and you can rest. Just get to the other side and you can rest. Pretty soon the shore is super, super dark.

I realize that's, you know, that is the shore. And I've made it to the other side. And as I come up out of the embankment, there's a trail. And I follow the trail. Boom, there's a Buddha. Good-sized Buddha. So I take another trail. Boom, there's another Buddha.

I take a third trail. And there's like this weird Chinese thing. I take a fifth trail, and I finally find my way out of that place. That's why we could find it on a satellite. Somebody's got to have some sort of Buddha center there. Okay All right So I find a road

And I'm on the run now Daylight comes And I find that I'm going to be forced to swim Some more water But at this point I'm a little tired So I find some big boulders I dig out some dirt And if anybody ever says

Go back to the rock You crawl down from under It's in Rockland County, dude I crawled out of that rock Covered it up I had to go to sleep man So I get up, I'm walking, I'm following some railroad tracks because I don't, I'm not going to get across the water

and daylight doing the head buoy trick. And a pickup truck crosses and then it backs up. So I'm like, it's over now, right? There's some old boy, good old boy in a pickup truck, late model 80s. Says, what happened to you? Because I'm all messed up dirty. I say, sir, I just crashed my friend's four-wheeler back there and I lost my phone.

do you think you could give me a ride to a store? He says, absolutely. So I get in the car, he says, do you mind if we got to stop at a couple sales? I said, sales. He says garage sales. So he stopped at two garage sales. The second garage sale, I help some lady move a feigning sofa. You know what those are those little fain and sofas?

They put him in women's bedroom, I mean bathrooms, just like a little couch. Yeah, yeah. So I help it. I move that for a lady, I don't know. He says, oh, you're a girl, old boy. I'll give you a ride wherever you need to go. So he gave me a ride to a friend's house who then gave me a ride to New York City.

Because at this point, going downstream, I'm pretty close. So I go to the big bus station and I disappear, which you can no longer do. You know that kid in New York City that shot that health care guy? Yeah, yeah. He should have been able to disappear inside that bus terminal. That's what I did. That's a known, like, cleansing area.

There's no cameras. You go in there, you change your clothes, you get a bus with no ID. They must have face recognition because that's not working anymore. Okay. So don't think you can do that. So I jump on a bus. And at one point earlier, I didn't mention this, I should have. I had driven a VW bus down to Central America.

I'm back. When I came back from Alaska, I stopped in Texas to see my friends. and my brother, and I bought a VW bus, and I drove it all the way to Central America and back. And I actually lived in that bus. This, you must think. I lived in this bastard for two years while we built my log cabin. Okay. So I have friends in Belize.

So now I'm on... Oh, yeah, you can see. Absolutely. So here's my plan. I'm going to cut through. My friend Keith is going to... pick me up in Texas. I'm going to cross at Matamorah's, and then I'll just go down to Belize and get away, because you can't extradite. But I stop in Myrtle Beach because my plan was never to get away.

I was supposed to get killed, so I don't really want to get away, and I don't know what to do. So I just spend a couple days in Myrtle Beach, and they finally get fed up, and they say, we're going to arrest your wife. So I just call them. I go into a subway and I order a sub and I ask the guy, I call 911 on me. I said I got a federal. I knew that I had a federal warrant for armed bank robbery. He says, you can do whatever you want to do.

I ain't doing shit for you. So I make the sandwich. I mean, he makes me the sandwich and he gives it and he lets me use the phone. I dial 911. I say, look, I'm Victor Shear. I'm at this subway. I have a federal warrant for bank robbery. I'm unarmed and giving myself up.

I give the phone to the manager. He'll give you the address and sit down and start eating, right? This is the last good meal. Right. All of a sudden I hear him say, holy shit, and he had pulled up on his phone a picture of me on the federal warrant. So the parking lot fills with police slowly. I thought they'd just send two cops.

They don't. They send the world. So they're coming, and this black guy, I'm just standing there. And he's like, yo, man, ladies. down on the ground so they don't shoot you. So I lay down on the ground and I don't have any sharps and I'm taken to North Myrtle Beach

and while I'm there I'm starting to come off drugs feeling horrible but I've also got super diarrhea on any of my wounds, any open area I had before going into the Hudson. Now it's turned green as you bluish. Almost

a pretty color if it wasn't in your body. Right. You know? Like this wall or, it was just terrible. So I had to go to a hospital a couple times. And from there, I'm transferred to the main Myrtle Beach. And then I'm transferred to a place I believe it's called J.B. Long. It's the federal side of the Myrtle Beach jail. Yeah. So it's the U.S. Marshals holdover to where they're holding you for the, the U.S. when you first get arrested, the U.S. marshals are holding you. They typically hold you in a jail where they have, they've rented space.

like they have one of this, this is the U.S. Marshal pod in this jail. So everybody's like, oh, I was in jail. Well, you were in the holdover. Like they rent, like, you're being held by the marshals. Originally, I was just in the regular jail cell. And then, yeah, they came, go to the side. The Fed stuff, I hated that. It was like, there's no real windows or anything.

It's weird. Yeah, they're not concerned about your aesthetics at all. They're not concerned about your comfort. They're really, they put the toilet in the middle of the room. Yeah, it's embarrassing. Yeah. It's embarrassing. They're not.

Yeah. Yeah. I never sat in one comfortable chair. Although good crocs. They had beautiful crocs. Nice. Yeah, that's all I got out of it. Yeah. So this is how I believe I got out of go to federal prison.

So I'm sitting there and this good-looking FBI agent comes in. He's got cool sunglasses. He says, I'm special agent long. I said long like my sentence or with two Gs. And he started to laugh and he stopped. And he said, no. You said he. You just said she.

You said a woman came in. No, it was a man. It was a man. He said, yeah. Am I wrong? Did I say she? It was a male. Oh, I apologize.

Oh, I'm sorry. He had sunglasses on. He looked like the picture perfect FBI agent. And he said, I'm special agent long. I said, long like my sentence or two Gs. I just kind of put him in a good mood. He said, no, I like your sentence. I just told him,

don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm in a lot of trouble. I'm not going to say anything. What I will say is that it's me. I've done everything all by myself. They had a guy named Tony locked up because he had like tipped me off. He hadn't tipped me off. He knew the police were looking for me and he just text me and said, the police are looking for you.

I mean, I had already known it. But they had gone ahead and locked him up. The FBI was already in Florida, at my mom's house, my sister's house. They were in Arkansas. with my brother's business. There's a lot of them. And, yeah, so. Big hubbub about nothing.

About nothing. The Yankee bank robber. That's what they called me. Did they? Yeah, got that Yankee bank robber. So, so he says, well, one or two things are going to happen. Either we're going to let you go stay or you're going to fly around for a year and then we're going to give you a bunch of time.

So there's two things that can happen. If the feds really look into this, I mean, so. super trouble. I'm going to do like 35 years instead of 10 years for a simple bank robbery. If this balloon goes up high enough and they see everything. Right. I don't know what 45 and 35 is, but I wouldn't be still alive to add it anyway. So I'm done. So he releases me to the New York State Police. And there, I ask him, I said, can I go home with the U.S. Marshall? She says, why? I said I have a favor. I don't want to go back with the state police. That's a long ride in the trunk of the car,

get in the boots every time they need gas and stuff. Because I know they're pissed at me, dude. Cops like it when you run, but they don't like it when you run and get away. And bear in mind, that week I was gone, they were just tearing up everything, thinking I was here, there, and even after I arrested, people were like,

I just saw them, you know? So I was very worried about them shooting some kids, sneaking out of his house that night, thinking it was me. They were really aggressive and really crazy. So the state, New York State Police come for me, and they actually borrow Governor Como's airplane. It's called Gray Goose One. It's a turbo prop.

So they come and they get me, and there's some state police pilots, and they're like, if you fuck with this airline, you're going to get my mess. I said, well, I've already turned myself in. I'm not going to try to escape now in an airplane. So we all get in the plane, we're flying along, and I said, hey, where does the governor sit? And then we all suddenly realized I was sitting in a seat.

He gets a window seat, and then there's two seats here, and then a seat here. Mine were filled with detectives, but I got to sit in Governor Como's flight home. Hey, right, that's something. So I get home. You read where it said later I get CMC for comments, I said. I know soon I get back to Albany County jail when this big Delta force wannabe state trooper with helmets and gear comes in

and tries to take credit for catching me where you didn't catch me. You're here because I called you. Long story short, I just give a lesson in reality. You're not my competition. You're a free ride home like a taxi. That doesn't go over well.

It's quiet. He looks at me like I was the devil. So I go off, I get a, they want 12 and a half years. And this is what, state? Yeah, the state. The feds have dropped me. They dropped it, okay. So we're just looking at this.

Did you say that or did I miss it? I think I stated, he was either going to keep me and fly me around or he was going to release me to the state. Oh, okay, okay. So once I knew the state came and got me, I knew I was done with the fed. hopefully and stuff. The state thing can still be a problem. 12 years.

12 and a half, due 10. That's what he said. So I go get a great lawyer, right? Because I got a little money tucked away. She says, Victor Shear, I'm going to get you five years. Because, you know, look at you. You're a desert storm veteran, first responder. So she leaves, she comes back, sits down, says, I can't help you.

What happened to my five years? She said, you've stepped on a lot of time. toes. I can't help you, and it's worse. They want you for two other banks, but they're going to wait until this job is done, and then they're going to bring you to court on each one. Well, can Mad Duck do five, and you do five? No.

Seems reasonable. That's a reasonable, right? I know he's willing to do it. He'd do five years like that. Ain't nothing to him. After the nuke war, there's nothing but cockroaches. There will be a mad duck eating those cockroaches. just killing me, he's easy. Mad duck, only thial a time. We'll get him.

So, we sit for a year, and they're not coming down. And I noticed nobody's taught, there's other banks they're talking about, but they're not coming. I'm trying to get one of those deals where I'll tell you the whole story. And then, you know, you ever seen that? A lot of people do it. Yeah, yeah, quit for a day. Yeah, and then, yeah, but then I don't have to worry about anything else. You plead guilty and, yeah, no, you're going to do one bank out of time, kid. So a year goes by And finally I just got to go in there

And leave it up to the judge They try to tell him my history And he says Judge Peter Lynch Says that's exactly the type of guy They should have known better Nine years, five post It's kind of a lot right Nine five

That's what I got I mean it's okay That's not a bad deal I understand But you rob five banks They don't This is one bank. That has nothing to do with them.

Did they charge you with the other banks? No, not at this time. Well, okay, then. You robbed five banks. You got nine years for five banks. I understand you're saying for one, they didn't charge you with the other ones. But they're coming.

But did they? Just listen. Okay. They're going to try their best. So I go, I get that. I get nine years, five years. I get CMC'd. That's when you're a central monitor in case.

Because I had worked in prison. and because I was able to swim the Hudson, and I'd had a green beret. Fuck you, them. I get CMCed, so I get sent to Clinton Correctional Facility, which in itself is a horrible place, and I thought nobody could escape from it. Boy, was I wrong,

but I get sent to a unit called APPU. I think you had somebody on there from, man, maybe not. Anyways, I can't tell you exactly what that stands for, and I would love to find out. I believe it's aptly placed personnel unit, but it's for high-profile people. It's located in lower age of Clinton correctional facility. It's filled with judges, XCOs, serial killers, Tupac was there. Shine recorded a song off the phone there. Sounds nice.

Yeah. One thing, it's filled with millionaires. The Bear family is there. The Rothschild family is there. Yeah, it is insane, man. It's just, you know, I'm in prison, somebody would go to you for a candy bar. In this unit, you could ask somebody for a candy bar and they might give you two. Everybody had money.

Not me, but like most of the top people. Right. Do you remember a show Shark Tank? Yeah. So we watched that once, and they had a thing called Bubba's Boneless Spare Ribs. That had just started. Within two weeks, those guys had those ribs in the prison. Money was no option.

So, yeah. I think you mean money was no object. Oh, yeah, you're right. Object, yeah. There's no option for me. I didn't have any. So there's about a little over 300 people in this unit. And yeah, I don't know.

You're just locked down basically most of the time. Anytime you leave your cell and would leave this unit, you know, you were heavily escorted. And the main thing I remember is the door to get into this wing was bigger than any. bank vault. And I thought it was to keep people from getting out, but it was actually in case they lost control of the prison, people wouldn't get in. The worst people in the world are there. And this is the prison story I want to dedicate to J.D. DeLaley. So I'd only been there a couple weeks and I'm coming down and, you know, sometimes two staircases come into one. So how much time did you do? Well, I, I, what year did you do this happen?

2013 this happens. I spend a year in Albany County Jail because they won't come down. Then I spend a year in Elmira because I get CMC. So by the time I get to Elmira, I mean, I'm sorry, by the time I get to Clinton, I only have five years left, but CMC, I got to stay there. So I stay until I have under three years. And then I transfer to Mohawk, a medium, and I get a job in a quick chill. And if you do that for two years, you get six months off. So I'm able to get out after seven years, two months, and 13 days.

But I didn't count it. I had a question. How did you get off the other four robberies? Oh, great. Yeah. Okay. So, oh yeah, so I'm sitting in Clinton. I had a great friend.

His name was Super Tom Paul. Called him Super Tom guy would get you out of anything. So unfortunately, shortly after, in January of 2015, Super Tom, being Super Tom, takes his young girlfriend to Costa Rica. They decide they're going to climb a volcano. He has a heart attack, two thirds of the way up, drops dead. I'm told his girl actually had to hire the locals to put him in a body bag and carry him down the volcano between two poles. I mean, between a pole hanging like an old.

So he's dead. So that's important. So 2000, I'm sitting in Clinton. I get a visit. Sweet. As soon as I walk in, I don't see anybody. They point to a room. So that's bad.

I go to the room. I instantly know it's the New York State Police. New York State Police detectives need to spend more money on their suits. Right. They don't dress nearly as good as the FBI. So I come in and they say, we need to talk to you. And the guy, this boy, this got me. I said, do you think I could get something to drink?

He says, you'll be all right. Remember those words. So he wants to talk about a robbery. You tell him I don't do that anymore? Well, this is back when I was doing it. And I said that I was copied it. I said, you know what, I saw that robbery. I saw the guy got away.

I said, I'm going to try that. Obviously, I'm not as good as him because you caught me. So they're offering me a deal. No time, no extra time. They were going to recommend no extra time. They offer me money for a TV, and they'll recommend a transfer. All the judges hate me. I'm going to get more time.

I'm fucking in prison because of TV. You know, I don't need another TV. And there's no way, because I'm CMC, they're going to get, they're going to transfer me. So, you know, I just said, first of all, I didn't do it, so I can't help you. But even if I could, that's a shitty fucking deal. So they ask if I know any other crimes, if I know of any bodies or anything like that. And unfortunately, I did know. I had known of somebody.

I was not there when this person was buried, but a very close friend of mine told me he was there. They buried somebody that had been killed. Yeah, they tend to kick and scream when you bury him and they're alive. Right, yeah. So I knew where it had happened. So I said I did know where there was a body and stuff. And so we spent about 30 minutes giving them the directions.

and all that. And finally, I said, well, you'll know you're in the right spot if it says Ames Cemetery. Yeah, you didn't like that either. He said, we're coming back in February to indict you. I said, I'll be all right. They never came back, and here's probably why.

So the first way you'd want to track me is by my phone, correct? So on this particular case, during this one robbery, it was proven that I was at Super Tom. house. Not only was I at Super Tom's house, but I had put in a claim for the New York

State Department of Labor and had been through a review process that lasted in between 15 minutes to 45 minutes. When you put in a claim, they'll give you a piece of paper. So you couldn't possibly have been trying to rob or robbing some banks somewhere?

No. Two things you need to know about the Department of Labor. Number one, their phone calls are not taped. Number two, they talk to tons of people every day. You never spoke with me. Right. And so that's, I always had something like that. And the two that they really came for me, I had a pretty solid alibi.

And with Super Tom dying, it was done. Right. And that's the only reason. The other ones, there is no connection. One of them, because I got a fair amount of money, they believe it was an inside job. As I walked in, they had like a silver, almost like a bread cart. And money, I guess, had just come in. And of course, I said, I'll take that.

That was put down as maybe an inside job. And then another one was blamed on a Spanish person. I'm sorry. Spaniards. Probably an illegal immigrant. Yeah, they're the worst. They're the worst. Go ahead, I'll answer any question.

So you go to prison. You do the time. You're going to get up. Do you get halfway house? Oh, no. So I get out in. 2020, the end of 2020, COVID is everywhere. Somehow I get out of prison. It's right behind me.

I think there were six people in my prison when I got out. I had it. And then it just ran wild. So I never go to, I get a female probation officer and she likes me. We go along fine. I meet her once and then I never saw her again because of COVID. She did swing by the house twice, but I have a cool log cabin. and she wanted to say she wanted to show it to some friends. But other than that, I never really, then I was off probation. Then when I came home, I got a job for the Amish.

And so for three and a half years, I drove a truck from the Amish from five in the morning to 6.30 at night. Jeez. Yeah, and I came home, me coming home. Every day? Or you have a couple days off? Just Monday through Friday. Okay, still, that's a hell of a day. Yeah, I, you know that this all.

This also happened during the summer of love. You know that famous evil-can-eval motorcycle crash in Las Vegas, we're just going real slow? That's how I feel like my life has been since I came home. You know, I had an Airbnb business, $109,000 go through my cab. And I never got any of that money, dude. You know, my power of attorney took all that. So I'd lost 17th. and when I had eaten so much soy

that when I tried to eat the real Amish food, I just couldn't eat. So I lost a bunch of weight. So I looked like a crab for the first year and a half. You know, and I had no teeth. I'm super skinny. So I got my teeth fixed. Now I've got to take these enzymes to eat.

I was just going to keep doing that until I get my, when I came home, they suspended my nursing license. So that was another hit. because I thought I'd go back to nursing. But no way, they took it for 36 months, which runs out in like 30 days. Thank God. So I just happened to be on TV, and I saw a guy I was in prison with Steve Dominguez

or something. He was a correctional officer turned smuggler, and he was on the Ian Bick, and I'd been in prison with him, and when I was writing my book, he was writing his book. and Ye just had a lot more guns to get his out. I've never done anything with mine. So I decided I would quit for about eight months and do as many podcasts I can until somebody's like,

I got to see this Victor Shears life on the screen. That's, yeah. So that's what we've been doing, man. That's it. How many podcasts have you done? Three. This is probably my last one. So you did Ian Bix?

you did Kevin Lannin Listen go check out Kevin Lannin He's really trying to help people let up You know one thing in 2015 When I ended up in APPU I stopped taking drugs I was getting all my drugs

From the BIA I've never gone back So Out of all my stories Beating those narcotics Is the best one Dude Because that was hard

And not going back It hasn't been great Since I've been home You know I would like You know I take a bunch of riddling and rob three banks. I never thought of that since I've been home.

Yeah, I have a question. What do you think that that change is just coming off those substances? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I always had a bank robbery in me, but the drugs, once I knew I was dead, because I thought I'd already overdosed twice. Once I go to Alaska and we have a great vacation. We're going to fly home. I jump on the plane. I take my pills.

I look out the window, close my eyes, I open them. There's a fucking paramedic. right there. He says, are you all right? I say yeah. I look up. My wife has obviously been crying. Every single person on the plane is staring at me. So I'd had a grand mal seizure. They had to lock up the brakes on the plane and turn it around. Kick my sorry ass off. So I'm sorry. What was the question? Yeah. Was I guess kind of what was the shift in your mentality or your mindset from? You know, I just got clean. And, uh, I had really fucked things up, dude.

I had a great life. I got a log cabin. I got a 17-year younger trophy life. I was making $70,000 or $80,000 a year. Now I'm in prison. I've obviously made a mistake somewhere. Funny, when I went to prison, everybody was like, oh, Victor Robert Bank, nobody was like, oh, I can't believe it.

Everybody was like, yeah. All right. Probably happens. It's all that comments. Yeah. So I was always heading in that way. But once I got clean, I don't know, dude. Everybody needs to go get a job and work hard.

I will give the Amish for that, you know? There's a lot to be said about just working hard. So I don't know. I've never picked up a gun or gone back to pills, and I don't think I will. Where's Mad Dog? Mad Duck. Mad Duck. Please don't call it Mad Dog or Mud Duck.

I was repeating Mad Duck in my head. Mad Duck Pond is in Canada-Jahary, New York. It's a beautiful, it's got, it's on Airbnb. I recently took it off. Usually you can rent it. We have super host status. You'd absolutely love it. The main cabin, there's two cabins.

The main cabin, the outlaw cabin, the one that I used when I was a bank robber, is for rent. And that's beautiful, man. That's all the good in me and Maddoch, you know? And it's not a head shed. When you're there, you would never think somebody like me, Bill. You would think a gay lumberjack did it. Yes, Canada Jerry, New York. Everybody needs to go there.

We have a terrific library there called the Artless. This is an Airbnb that you have? Yes. Oh, yeah, look at that. And certainly show that. Wow. I have a second cap and that's smaller. It starts off with the picture of it.

Of the sign? Yeah, the sign when it says, like, we call it. We call it Cana Joe. scary because of well Oh here's this line

yeah so I named everything yeah I named everything after my inner personality or whatever that somebody would tell you what it is my inside daddy issues yeah this guy the guy that got killed beaten death yeah so that's that was regular business that's what you were talking

yeah that's the prison I was in that's just I guess they forgot also when I was in prison there was no cameras when I did the Kevin Lannon podcast, I said, yo, they kill people. And two weeks later, this came out. When I was in Clinton and you went to APPU, it didn't matter who you were, black, white, Mexican.

There's only one gang there, and that's blue. Okay. So, I just sent it to you. Okay. Yeah, so there's actually two. And then there's a smaller cabin, an eight by 12 cabin that I live in, that right now I don't have running water. I don't have electricity.

And I just decided I would do this until summer. He lived in like the Unabomber. I live exactly like the Unabomber. But there's no excuse for being sloppy and cheap. And his place was a dump. Yeah. He was not for such a smart person, he was not organized. No.

And also there's no excuse for being filthy. Yeah. You know, I know my log cabin as the doors custom painted. He had mental issues. He did. People with mental issues. Unless it's OCD, typically tend to have poor hygiene and... Yeah, you know what?

You're right on that. Very dirty. I noticed, and I picked this up in prison. Yeah. The people that had mental disorders tended to not want to, like, brush their teeth. You're right. They got, like, some of them have weird phobias. Yeah, they get to make them take showers.

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That's S-H-O-M-A-N-D-O.com. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. Once again, that's shopmando.com and use the promo code Cox. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah, absolutely. But if it was just a normal, well-rounded person. Yeah, because when you live out in the field, you must stay clean. Otherwise, you're going to get diarrhea, and it's just going to be a mess.

So, yeah, even though I don't have those things, I have a crick where I get water, so I never go without. And it's kind of fun. But it's a, it's a badass little cabin. I will send you some pictures of that. Okay. In fact, I sent you one in the beginning. I said, I'm leaving right now, and I took a little picture of the cabin.

Before you started robbing banks, you spoke to a bank employee. My sister. Yeah. For many years. In between, when I was down in Florida, my sister was a cop for Clay County Sheriff's Department. My brother-in-law from a different marriage was a cop. My other brother-in-law was an engineer. My sister was a bank manager, and I don't know why we did this, but for years,

for hours we just sat around talking about robbing banks. Why is all of this starting to come together now? His hat says, it's weird. And that's a duck skull? Do you know what I thought this was that was the whole time? I thought it was a woman laying down. And she's kind of like this,

like she's looking at something. I like it, man. And you can see her arms, her head, her body, her ass, and her legs. And she's, it's whatever you see, man. It's there. It's like a pack of cigarettes, like the camel cigarettes. Yeah, it's the skull of a dog. It's the real skull of a doc.

Yeah. We actually, I got a friend made it for me. And I have sure it's all, all starting to make sense. It's, it'll get worse. So I don't understand that you've got the Airbnb thing. You've got, what, how many cabins? Two. Two cabins.

Are you working on others? I would. If anybody out there is building a log cabin and they're in a jam, I'd like to come help them. No, I meant, I meant on your property. Not right now, no. Once you, a log cabin is a lot of work, man. Even the small ones.

But you're renting them out. Yes. So what I'm saying is, is your goal like to do the traveling nurse thing again and have these things kind of run themselves? I don't have any goals. I don't have any plans. Sometimes lately, honestly, I wish I hadn't crawled out of the fucking river. I don't know what I'm going to do.

I mean, you can get your nursing license back. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I know a chick that probably makes $150,000 a year. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right. Traveling nurse. Yeah. Not, no. I already did that, and I'm going to do that again.

Look, I'm not saying the future's bleak. I'm just saying I suffer from survivors' boredom. You know, most people go, Survivor's guilt. No, I get it. Yeah, I get it. Okay, everything's going to be all right. It sounds real fucking boring, man. I don't know.

I think it's pretty good out. I was thinking maybe I'd do a podcast called Broken Nurse. And what I would do is go find anybody with an occupational license that's messed up and put them on there. But I don't know what I'm doing. We have one of those. I think we've interviewed a guy who was addicted to, you know, painkillers. And he was a nurse. He's got a YouTube channel.

Do you remember that? I interviewed a guy. It's a white guy. Oh, so I can't even do. that now. Somebody's already done it. You can do it. You can do last people. There's like this show is a duplicate of about 600 other TV show or other YouTube channels.

I do have a book called If Ducks Could Kill. What's the name of the biography that you've written? If Ducks could kill. That's your biography? I thought there was the angel arm or something or the Queens. Oh no, no, no. Whenever, yeah, that's just a chapter. So every

almost every single story I've told you I don't know how to write. So in prison, my friend's told me, just write the small, just write the story. So all mine are just block stories, like just thousands of pages of block stories. That's how you write a book pretty much. Yeah, I know, but I need that help. I need that.

I got to get it from this to this. And that takes somebody like, I probably am dyslexic. A stop sign is really a backward pots to me. I mean, I've memorized it as stop. You need to self-publish on Amazon KDP And you can you can grab somebody from off there's an app called offer up Or a website called Offer Up You go on there and you ask somebody

Hey how much to publish Oh I didn't know that Then why am I here? I really want I thought I'd have to go on the Matthew Cox and say hey if you want to help Victor put this book out I mean you could but you know you could also pay for somebody 500 or 600 bucks and they'll do the whole thing and put it up for you. Really? I'll make sure you write that down for me

because I didn't know. Do you think I have a book? Do you think I should? No, with my stories. Are they interested in? Yeah, yeah, they're interesting. They're interesting. Because I don't want to say,

hey, I wrote a book in prison. Everybody's written a book. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to be that regular dude. I'd rather just be quiet than be like, ah, it's another prison book. I think your social media interviews will help.

Yeah. Like I think, I don't know how good the book is. Phenomenal. But you are, I'm saying the way you tell your stories and the way you are, your personality, it's like very unique where people are going to be like, we'll remember you. It's not, it wouldn't be like a forgettable. It's crazy. I think the problem is that there's, there's a huge disparity between people that publish books and bestsellers.

Like if you have bestseller, you might make, you could make 50, 100, 200,000 a month, right? Yeah, and then. That's what I'd like to do. Well, unfortunately, you know, my book's making less than a thousand a month. You see what I'm saying? And I have many books. So that's a combination of four or five books. I need your help with this book.

I'll write it, but just from time to time I may have to text you. You can text me. That's fine. You might want to be, you're not a great text. No, I'm not good at it. You don't understand. That is all like. You tend to send something and I'm like, what is the context of this sentence?

I haven't asked this person about this. You know, what, what is this video? I don't know what this is. Yeah, I do that. I just send you something. And I'm like, I watched it. And then Jess leans over. I think I put a note. This is where I'm from.

Jess leaned it up leaned over. And she says, what's that? I go, I don't know. And then I watched it again. And she's like, is he in a cabinet? I'm like, I don't know. You know as much as I know. Yeah.

Or you'll send an article. Yeah. You know, like go with the link. I figured you'd figure it out. I didn't. Oh. And I was like, I was wrong again.

Yeah. She was like, you know, what's that? And what's that for it? I don't know. He just is a random shit. He's just a little weirdo on my show. Yeah. He's coming on the show.

What do you do? He robbed some banks. Like, God, these bank robbers. The worst. To make for good podcasts. I hope. I told Jess, I said, I said, listen, I said, we got a whole series on bank robbers. We got a whole playlist of just one bank.

I said, listen, I said, in a few years from now, we're going to have like 20 of them. You could just watch nothing but video. Nothing but bankrupters. Yeah. Yeah. Then Colby needs to take. take all 20 hours of them and then go through and edit the crap out of them. Just the bankrovaling stories.

I think I'm the best only because I wasn't connected to so many. And I never, other than that first bank, I never had to pay back any money. So when you were talking with your sister over the years, was there any information without, you know, giving like instructions how to do it? Like anything that she told you that gave you the confidence to say, like I can definitely pull this off or this is doable. No, I always knew both of those. I just needed to know that every time you got to

$1,000, you put it in an abandon and lifted the drawer. I needed to know that, you know, two stacks of open ones or die money. I need to know that I can feel that die pack. You know, I needed to know where to look for the tracers. But more it's important I knew that if I said no tracers,

no di-packs, they wouldn't do it. You know, we were talking about people that are trained not to give you a hard time. I don't know why you wouldn't rob anything but a bank. The money's there and they're told to hand it out. It's what they do. I told you, it's just a hard.

That's great for the, right? That's great for the hook. A robbery is just a withdrawal with hard feelings and hard stares. That's it. It's not that exciting. What about, like, has your sister ever been robbed? I don't know. I never asked her.

Oh. Not while not from 19. I left Florida in 1991 after Desert Storm after I got out and she had never been robbed. But my sister and brother-in-law spoke to me about police patterns and how it was so unlikely that a cop would just be there during a robbery. I'll tell you what is likely is Bedford Hills taught me never trust anybody. I saw correctional officers there in their civilian clothes and they were all armed. I never would have thought they were a correctional officer, you know,

and I would have turned my back on them in a second. And then they would have been like, God, I'm cool. Was there anything that made you decide which bank to choose and which bank to pass on? Absolutely. It's all about location, man. The best banks are on a corner because if they don't see you leave,

you've got a 75% chance of getting away, thinking about it, you know? So location is everything. Absolutely. The one I was caught on, what you want is if you got a nice town, you want to bank right on the outskirts of that because that's where the rich people live

and then you run off in a non-populated area. So you want to like hit a job in like Albany. When I did the Albany job, I went up into Burn, New York. So I always would leave that area. So location is super. important. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor if you like the video, hit the

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