Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Master Thief Escapes Prison, Confronts Jeffrey Epstein, and Becomes Reality Tv Star | William Steel

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Master Thief Escapes Prison, Confronts Jeffrey Epstein, and Becomes Reality Tv Star | William Steel

I was killing it. I was making millions of dollars. The average lick, I would say 50 grand, at least in jewelry or more per day. And I didn't go out every day. Sometimes I'd only go out once a month. I run to the bedroom. I clear out his jewelry box. I grab a bag that's sitting by the side, put it over my shoulder. I jump back on the bike. I'm gone. I'm in Nick Nabarro's house probably two minutes, if that. Because I also didn't know if that relay set off the alarm and maybe I should have picked the phone up and get to see. I get to the house, spread it out on the bed. Run-of-the-mill jewelry, nothing's exceptional. There's some cufflings from the DEA. It used to be a DEA agent. There's a letter with a presidential seal, a little card that had the presidential

seal in the United States. I opened it up, I said, Dear Sheriff Nick Navarro, thank you for your assistance on the South Florida Drug Task Force, sincerely, President Ronald Reagan. I said, holy crap, this guy's got a letter from the president. This guy was talking about how he's about to be released, and he fell asleep, and he had his release paperwork in his pocket. So I figure I'll escape from the jail now, right? So I'm going to take this homeless guy's paperwork and try to walk out what they call his name, you know, look at the paper. I get the paperwork. Nobody says a word about it. They look in their cars. They have clipboards and like my pictures on their board. And I'm like, holy crap, that's my DOC picture with blue

diaper and everything. They surround the wrong building. The helicopter drops down. They start deploying. They bring out the dogs and everything. And I'm like, Okay, they're around the wrong building, good for me. And I snuck back around, and I went up the stairs, and I let myself in to grab that bag. And as soon as I did. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with William Steele. And he was recently released from prison. He was on the A&E TV show, Inmate to Roommate.

He's got an interesting true crime story, and we're going to get into it. So how long have you been out? just over a year and a half and a inmate to roommate one of the highest rated reality shows in the country that was advertised during shawshank redemption i would see my picture every time they went to a commercial they would say you know coming soon you know inmate to roommate you know the a and special and uh it blew up it blew up on the ratings the only reality show higher than mine was jersey short vacation right while it was airing and um you know 11 million 11 points a million views on ticot and i don't even know

know how to measure all the other metrics, but I do know I looked at the ratings, and if you eliminated sports coverage and hurricane coverage in Florida at the time it was airing, it was the number two reality show in the country. And it was like the fifth or six most popular show of the country. Okay. Well, let's start. Let's go back to the beginning. Like, I mean, you know, obviously you went to prison. What, where were you born? Like, how did this whole thing, how did this get started? I mean, your mom met your dad. Obviously, we know what happened there. And you then you were born and you have a, You were, and do you have brothers, sisters? Where were you born?

So, you know, my name is Bill and, you know, I served X amount of time in prison, you know, probably close to 20 years. But how it began was, you know, I was born in Brooklyn, New York. And middle class family, two sisters, two older sisters, mother, father, father was a hardworking guy, nine to five type guy, a great guy. My mom was mentally ill. So I'm part Sicilian and I'm part English.

So I have a unique way of expressing myself. You know, I have the Brooklyn, the New York sarcasm, and the uver, and I have the Sicilian ways where I can get a little loud at times when I'm trying to express myself. But so because of my mother's mental illness, all my life, I've, you know, even when I was a little child, visited her at mental hospital, psychiatric hospitals. She was committed sometimes for years at a time. And it was very heartbreaking growing up in that situation. I was very protective of my mother.

You know, you would have, I got a lot of. great with everybody in neighborhood but you know my mother was was picked on and um mostly the neighbors loved her they knew my grandfather santo uh from sicily and uh we lived not far from where carlo garlo gabino had a house so i knew him when i was a little kid he used to pat me on the head when i was going off to catholic school you know hey bill a bit more you know stan of trouble when you grow up you know carlo gambino talking to me you know i didn't know who he was at the time but uh so having to defend my mother from bullies and stuff in the neighborhood And it wouldn't be horrible things.

It's horrible enough. People throw snowballs at her, teasing her, taunting her. She had a police whistle, and she'd roam the neighborhood, blowing it at the neighbors, and telling the women in the neighborhood to stop looking at her husband. And we had a beautiful golden Labrador retriever, and he would just go barking in everybody, escort her no matter where she went. And she was a fixture in the neighborhood. Well, I spent my whole life, and today, you know, even being a victim advocate,

I have always been in defense of women, children, and the mentally ill, especially the mentally ill. I don't appreciate people that try to bully other people around. And so that being said is kind of why I do what I do today. But staying back on that track when I was young, my mother was obsessed with Jimmy Carter and with Prince Philip. And so she would invite them when I was a little kid, 10, 12, 13 years old, she would invite them to my birthday parties in the house in Brooklyn. and you know Jimmy I love you my son Williams birthday party and we would get these nice letters back

sorry but President Carter has something to do that day you know you know thank you for the invitation on White House stationery you know it's pretty good staff and there's some from Buckingham Palace you know when she would write Prince Philip inviting him to my birthday party so my mother was mentally ill but in a good way

everybody loved my mother she was wonderful anyway so one day I'm sorry, when you say, you mean, like, she had schizophrenia? Schizophrenia and some other conditions. It was brought on by a drug allegedly, I guess I don't want to get sued, a drug called Dexidrine, which was a weight reduction drug that she took after my birth in the early 60s. That people abused and it fried her mind. And so she was in an ass psychiatric hospitals as a result of that.

So one time I get home from school, I have the secret service and the police at my house. and, you know, I'm 13 years old, you know, and have all these police there, and they take me downtown, which was in Manhattan. They drove me to Manhattan. My father had an office in the World Trade Center. Their office, the Secret Service office, was also in one of the towers. I forget which one, the original World Trade Center. I go in there, they have a picture in an envelope, they pull it out, it's a blowup of me pointing a BB gun at the camera. They say, you know anything about this picture?

because they wouldn't tell me why they were taking me in. In those years, they didn't tell you anything. Plus, I was a minor. And I said, yes, that was a polaroid. And last I ever laid eyes on, it was in the top draw of my dresser in the house. They said, well, why would your mother be sending this to President Carter, pointing a gun at the camera? And then on other pictures and paperwork she had written. Until we see you next time again, Jimmy, you know, this is my son, William, 100 pounds of Doritos and Water, Love Ellen.

North. I said, well, my mother loves Jimmy Carter. She's always invited to my birthday party. She doesn't pose a threat, and that's a broken BB gummy. And my friend were playing around in the backyard, you know, taking pictures of each other. I didn't even know she took the picture. She probably didn't even notice the picture. Right. So they had to call her psychiatrist and my father and find out where she was. She was roaming in the neighborhood with her whistle blowing it at the neighbors, you know, so they found her. And the whole time she's arguing with them, you know, What is your function here? What is your function here?

She's screaming at the Secret Service guys. Anyway, that all blew over. So this is my childhood. So later in life, you know, I was going to college. I went to a community college. And then I got involved with real estate, working for Century 21 real estate. I became a very, very good salesman in marketing. As a matter what I touched, I always succeeded.

And I was always very tenacious salesperson. I always treated people in sales, how I wanted to be treated. And I right off the rip as soon as I got to real estate, I was selling a crazy amount of houses. I was getting crazy amount of listings, and the broker was very happy with me. Around this same period, I started taking locksmithing classes. I saw things advertised for New York School of Locksmithing Safe and Allones. On what classes?

Locksmithing Safe Centillowellows here. It was the New York School of Locksmithing. It was on 42nd Street. So I started attending there because I figured, well, I wanted to get some skills and do things for the greater good. But I was thinking, like, I'll go to the CIA, I'll become an FBI agent, you know, back in those years. You know, when I was a young teen, I was even one of the original people in the Guardian Angels. I knew Curtis Slewa really well. And so I was active and just really trying to do the right thing.

I hated bullies. I hate people that would pick on the week. I despise it. But anyway, what happened was I attended to school. I did very, very well, graduated top of my class, able to open safes, vaults, install alarms, install things, change combinations. pick locks like very proficiently and I started a security company and so in the middle of all this you know I'm getting in and out of real estate um a friend of mine I feel like this is going to go bad yeah you know you get those kind of skills and grow up the way I did and then go off the rails for quite a few years uh yeah so what happened was my better friend at the time was from a very affluent jeweler family and he was working in the garment industry and then I got him started in real estate. It's named Sammy. God bless Sammy. But anyway, he wanted to go to a nightclub. I was

never into drinking, getting high or anything like that. You know, he was going to a nightclub. He said, hey, he had so many car racks and he said, would you drive me? And I turned him down. You know, I was working in the real estate office. I was training a young lady and I wanted to spend time with her after work. So I broke my plans with him at the last moment. And something told me, he walked out of the real estate office. I was there working late, like 10 o'clock at night in Brooklyn. And when he drove away and made his left turn, I just got goosebumps. Like, wow, I'm never going to see this guy again. There's such a weird spiritual thing. It was so, so weird. And I just felt really shaking up all of a sudden. I was like, anyway, the next morning,

I'm back in the office, and I get a call at my desk from his grandfather. His grandfather says, Billy, can you please tell me where where Sammy's new apartment is? I said, I need to send the maid over there to clean up a few things. I said, it's doing great. I was just over there yesterday morning. He's on top of it. You know, it doesn't really need any work, but here's the new dress.

And he started crying, and he said, you know what that F did last night? I said, no, he lied, no, what the hell? What's going on? He said, he got himself killed in a car accident. And it's not easy talking about it because I was very guilt-stricken because I was supposed to be his driver that, you know, and I know he was a notoriously bad driver. So to this day, it really tears me up.

I have trouble dealing with his still. But so there was a lot of guilt. Was he drinking? Did he get drunk? Was it just, you don't know? No, he drank, I think, lightly, but he didn't get high or anything. He was just a notoriously poor driver. Coming back from the club, evidently he was speeding.

I guess it was the Bell Parkway near Kennedy Airport. and probably he gets irritated to the people in traffic. Maybe he was speeding. He spun out and hit overpass backwards and something went through the center of his head and killed him. I don't know how that could even happen, but the police that patrol the area

that came across his body behind the wheel of the car. There was no witnesses. Nobody came forward to seems to say what happened. But that's how he was found with his car racked around, you know, an overpass. But so I went to see the car, which that was further traumatizing. the tow truck place because it was his blood all over with his body outline on the seat.

So seeing your best friend's body outlined, you know, his blood, you know, and when I'm feeling like I was supposed to have driven him, and I'm a very good driver, you know, we did a lot of, a lot of things with driving, including sealing cars, chop shops and all that stuff later on. But so what happened was I looked up some friends of mine and who knew him as well. I took the rest of the day off. I couldn't even go to the funeral because he was Jewish and they had already buried him. By the time I got the call, he was already in the ground. So now I came to pay my respects to my friend. I go to his house, his family's sitting Shiva, which is in Drew's tradition where the family comes together, you know, in the house.

And I paid my respects and I went and looked up some friends. And these friends were already not doing much with their lives, like ice school buddies. They were not doing much and they were using coke. They were snorting it, smoking it. And I was real depressed and feeling responsible for Sammy's death. And they offered me some cocaine. And it will help you, man, to get you out. of that. This is the 80s now. Everybody's doing coke. There's no real stigma in this particular

moment in time. Right. We're talking, you know, so I tried it, and I got pretty quickly hooked on it. And so my life began spiraling a bit. So what I did is I started getting advances from the broker on deals that were just on the board, but they hadn't closed yet. I started saying, hey, I've got 10 deals on the border, and, you know, most of them were going to go through. You know, I started getting advances on commissions, started, you know, there's taking advantage and at one point my family became aware of this my girlfriend at the time became aware they

had me have a I guess what you call today is a like not a mediation intervention intervention. They all savvy down in the lawyer's office saying look you know you're losing a lot of weight you're not coming into work you're disappearing for days into hotel rooms and so I was really getting

on coke pretty bad when when things got tight I was like well I always have these skills to rely on and I started using my skills as a locksmith at a long-tech nation and I started committing burglar who was all across New York City then I got in trouble for a crime

we had a high-speed chase with the police I went on the run when you were I mean you committing burglary what was the first burglary you did how did you know to commit the burglary well let me see there was so many of them that I couldn't even give you

a first burglary there was just so many of them there was just one stands out you know, let's say a restaurant in Manhattan in downtown. I was working for a place called Atlas Locksmith. I think they might still be around. And plus, I had my side business. And a lot of these places I had

I had installed alarms or locks in, so I kind of do their layouts and all that. And I went back. And even during my early addiction, I was still doing installations and locksmithing. So at that point, I would start taking index cards. And if I install something in an office building or a luxury

home or something, I would make either save the extra copy, the key, take to the index card, or the key code so I can just get a key cut any time I wanted. And I can go back six months later, three months later. I'm the guy that installed it. I violate their trust in the worst possible way. I regret it. I'm not bragging about my past. But I would go back and I would use all that. I even did the Master King in the World Trade Center for it was two or three floors of Dean Winter Reynolds. It was a big stocker broke for a broken firm back in the day. I don't even know if it's still around. But anyway, I'm the guy who did that. I had the key for.

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of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible. I got connected with a guy back there who found out about my skills, a guy named Buttons. Buttons had killed several people, and I'm not going to give his real name on here, but he was pretty notorious figure in Brooklyn lore. And I mean, buttons? I mean, that doesn't sound good. Like, that's a mob name if I've ever heard one.

Now, he wasn't made. He was a mixed nationality, but he was a, he was looking more like an Irishman. look more like a Westie, if you know what I mean. Right. The Westies from back of the day. So Buttlers was a really bad and dangerous guy, and a lot of people, you know, avoided him because a lot of his partners, when he made money with them, they turned up dead. So his mother took a liking to me, and she would always warn me.

So he said, Billy, please stay away from my son. You have skills that he needs. And when you put a lot of money in front of him, he's coming out on top and you're going to be laying there dead. And this is his mother wanted me to stay away from this guy. Right. And, of course, I didn't listen. We did a few things together.

And so Buttons was quite the character. He killed somebody that had their photograph taken with, like, President Carter's wife. I mean, he's pretty notorious. He was in prison before for shooting a policewoman, through a door. They were raiding where he was dealing drugs, shot through the door, hit her in her vest, and he got prison time for that. And while I'm hanging with him, he's on parole. He's got a handcuff key on all the time.

Well, what kind of money are you making? When you break into a safe, when you go into it, first of all, like, aren't you nervous? Are you going in the middle of the night? Like, are you nervous? Well, what I'm doing the nighttime was, which is very, very uncommon, you know, of course, there's a little apprehension, but I map things out so well. Everything I did was very, very well planned. I knew precisely what the hours were, or if it was a home. when the people would be there, when they wouldn't be there.

I usually, especially when it came to homes, I started posing as Donna Karen's brother and going to see, for example, in South Florida, I would go see multi-million dollar homes on the intercoastal posing as a potential buyer who was Donna Karen's brother. She's at a fashion show, and I would have inexperienced realtors generally show me these houses, and then I would come back with a camera. I'd fill in the houses. I would know where the alarm panels were. I'd make them open all the doors in the house.

I'd say, look, if my sister buys it, we're going to do a gut renovation. So when they're opening all the closets and if I'm there on a second visit, I'm now filming everything. Back then, you had the smaller cameras, not the phones. But sometimes even the bigger cameras, you know, that was in those days. But so I'd have video and have full-colored brochures that the realtor would pass out. I was a realtor. I knew how to convince the salesperson I was serious, you know, things. So, you know, I would have, I would see all these gorgeous homes and map them out.

I would know what to look for, whether it's an DEMCO REMAR system panel or, you know, Magnum Alert or Central Motion Detectors or Colorado optics, Infrareds, all these different brands. Medical locks, which I personally prefer, or medical locks are probably the best thing you could have. But so I would know if it's a quick set, Schleg, this, that, how many pin? I would know their schedules. The realtors usually will tell the people to stay out of the way or be out of the house when they're showing the house. Right. So I don't have to worry about them.

Because they're usually going to be a friend of that owner. So that person has inadvertently told them so many things that they don't even realize that they're then going to confide to a potential buyer who they want to sell because they're going to make a big commission. So just through small talk, those realtors would not know what they're doing and they're revealing schedules. They're revealing, well, they're going to be out of town for a month here going to their house up in Michigan or wherever, you know, the lakehouse. And you know this people's whole schedule. You would know what day of the week that the only made came over, the pool guy. I would get all that out of them. And so I was very, very well planned.

I knew when the place isn't going to be empty. I knew what alarm I was dealing with. And normally, I'd say 80% of the time, the wealthier, more affluent community, South Florida, Boka, Fort Lauderdale, I was killing Boca. I was killing Palm Beach. I would be able to get in and out having so much information. I really wasn't worried about it. And I was always very clean cut. I wear a lot of jewelry generally, especially in the 80s, but I would always scale it down when I was doing a crime.

I'd slap a wedding band on. I'd put on maybe a black band watch, maybe a simple Peugee or something. She'd fit in the neighborhood. I was getting my nails done. So people would say, no wonder you got away with so much. You look like a Jewish dentist walking somebody's house.

I didn't, you know, I'm not covered in tattoos. So I was always well-dressed and always in a very late model luxury car, sometimes my own sometimes stole them with a, you know, tag of some kind on it. But I got away with it for very very much. very low time. The problem was I was using a lot of Coke. Right. And, you know, can I, a question, can I ask a question? What's like an, is there an average, well, first of all, I guess, is there an average lick? Like, is there an average take or what, you know, what types of, what are you getting out of these houses? Like, well, the most successful was how to be South Florida, East Coast. I was, I was killing it. I was making millions of dollars. The average lick, I would say 50. grand, at least, in jewelry or more per day. And I didn't go out every day.

Sometimes I'd only go out once a month, and I had hours when I would go do it. Even though I had all this information, I still would not go cruising through a neighborhood or up to that house unless it was from 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock in the afternoon. The husband's already gone from work, if they're working people. The wife generally is going shopping by them, supermarket or mall, and the kids are still at school until about 2 o'clock. Right. I don't want to run into anybody.

So I'm picking a key part of the day. That's when I'm going in. Even if I have all that background information, what's 99% of the time I do. And you're not armed or anything. You don't want any problems. There was a time early on when I would be because we were making silences and we were running guns from South Florida to New York along with cocaine.

I was working with some people from one of the original cocaine cowboys back in the day. And I was getting cocaine from him and some of his friends, and we would have a trunk full of cocaine. 20 kilos or whatever, send them up to New York. At that time, I think it was $14,000 a key. We were selling it for like maybe 24, 22 in New York, plus guns. Plus, we had a shop who were making siloches, building them on, selling them up in New York. I used to keep a pistol with a silence on it just in case.

I'm not trying to hurt anybody. Right. Let's try to make money. Again, for your audience, I'm not bragging on my past, but it was exciting at the time, And you're getting all this stuff for free. You know how it is. You're doing your little thing, whatever scam you had going on. And there's an excitement in that, you know.

But when you look back, you're like, what the hell do they think? And look at my life, you know. I've wasted all these years in prison. You know, you can never get them back. But I would, I hit, listen, I hit Sheriff Nick Navarro's house. Navarro was the sheriff of Broward County. He's the one who started the cops TV show with. Okay.

Broward was bad boys, bad boys, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. He almost seemed like he was a little bit, right? He was kind of a pretty boy, kind of a white, a white shock of hair. Yeah, he only did it for like a season or two, right? He was like the main guy for a season or two, and then they, he kind of disappeared. Cop's probably started filming in South Florida in the mid-80s, and Sheriff Navarro allowed him to film his department, and he was in several of the episodes.

And anyway, so he's passed away now. But one of the things I did, inadvertently, this was something where I just went out for drive one day. Gorgeous day, coming up on a holiday, I knew a lot of people would be out. And off the intercoastal, I saw a house that had all the signs of nobody home, a plate lab, beautiful home, newspapers in front of the garage door, hadn't been picked up, looked like two or three days worth just sitting there. So I went, I actually was on a bicycle that day. And I just was able to get in. The alarm wasn't on.

I went through a window, drop in. there's a gun sitting on a on a nightstand with a bunch of dust on it a detective five shot cult special I took that put it in my pocket just in case somebody was home I grabbed the phone and in those days the phones needed to use the alarms needed to use the phone lines so I could pick that phone up as soon as I got in the house and if that line was dead I didn't hear a dial tone that meant I screwed up somehow and the alarm was going out now pretty sure everything's wireless right either way so the first thing I do is grab a phone when I get in the house And before I would go, I have lockpicks, I have a police scanner, I have liquid glove on. It's a product that seals your hands, clear, and it's good for like four hours. You won't leave a fingerprint anywhere.

A lot of mechanics use it. So, and I'm not trying to teach anybody because I had to do a burglary. I apologize for giving it a while. But so I had everything figured out. You know, so you think, of course. But so in his case, I get in, I get the gun, and I'm walking towards the master bedroom. Immediately, that's the B-line. And as I crossed the foyer, I hear it click like, like somebody drew down on me.

I turned around. I was like, oh, shit, I bought to fill my hands in the air because I don't really want to have a shootout with anybody. Right. His gun in my pocket. And it was an old school photo electric guy. Like, the stores used to have him. You walk in. It would announce you there.

People had them for alarms back in the day. So it picked me up and the relay clicking, you know, in a quiet house on the intercoast that got my attention. Right. Oh, man, I caught my breath. I run to the bedroom. I clear out his jewelry box. I grab a bag that's sitting by the side, put it over my shoulder. I jump back on the bike.

I'm gone. I'm in Nicobarro's house probably two minutes, if that. Right. Gone. That's how quick I'm in and out of there. Because I also didn't know if that relay set off the alarm and maybe, you know, should have picked the phone up and get to see. But so I just decided to grab what I can get out.

I get to the house, spread it out on the bed. Run of the mill jewelry, nothing's exceptional. There's some cufflings from the DEA. It used to be a DEA agent. There's a letter with a presidential seal. A little card that had the presidential seal in the United States. I opened it up and said, Dear Sheriff Nick Navarro, thank you for your assistance on the South Florida

Drug Task Force, sincerely, President Ronald Reagan. I said, holy crap, this guy's got a letter from the president. Then it dawned on me. Nick Navarro, I had his wallet. I opened it up as ID. this picture. I said, holy crap, that's the guy from the cop's TV program. Sheriff Nick Navarro. He's not just a cop.

He's the elected sheriff of this county, which is fall in Lauderdale and all over the place. I'm like, oh my God, they're going to be hunting for me now. I need to get out of Florida for a while. Yeah, I just looked at him. This is not the same guy that I thought he was. But yeah. The guy who fell off a cliff, American

Crime and Justice, he was doing a thing, and he backed off a cliff. No, I didn't know that. I know the guy you're talking, but I said, it was a different show. Yeah, he actually fell Doria a shoot in California. Yeah, okay, well,

no wonder he didn't keep doing the cops episodes. Yeah, that's the, that's your call. It's funny because he wrote a book called the Cuban cop, which that might have been the one he's looking at it. Right there, yeah. He was represented and helped write it by Tom Madden, the former vice president

of NBC. Tom happens to be one of my best friends. Tom, yep, that's it. Let's Nick. Hello, Sheriff, Tomorrow, God bless you, all your stuff. Look, so he's represented at that time with that book. You'll see TransMedia Group all throughout that book. I talk to Tom every day right now. Tons, one of my best friends.

And when I finally confided to him, like just two years ago, this is like, you know, 20, 30 years later, I said, remember what his house got hitting? He goes, yeah, that was huge. And he goes, oh, don't tell me that was you. I said, yeah. He said, man, he was a really good friend. He's passed away now. We did his book, and this is when I was in prison. He sent me a copy of that book.

He said, would you like a copy of Big's book? I'm sure. I had that around here somewhere on the show. But, yeah, so in that bag was some other stuff that I'm not going to publicly say because, of course, it can never be proven. But, you know, there was a lot of that. Now, this is in the man's personal house, right? Right.

There was allegations at the time that it was extremely corrupt, and I think when he left the office, they found like six or eight kilos of unaccounted for cocaine in his office. for safe, like not connected to any case, so who knows when he was siphoning off. Right, yeah. Rumors like, you know, let's knock off the Colombians and give the Coke to put on the street to his Cuban buddies.

This is all alleged, so we've got to be careful with that because his family is still around. But, yeah, so I can tell you point blank that that was actually in the house as well. But it's just a small world, so circle back. And Tom is actually

the one who's introduced me to my fiancé now, Mary, Dr. Mary Bass. Okay. So those are the years I was really ripping and running in South Florida. And in those years, I think gold was about 360 something an ounce. Now, what is it, like, 1,700? I don't know. Yeah.

It's, like, ridiculous. I probably would have $10 million hidden somewhere if I was doing that, doing that today. But, you know, you look back, is, like, is it really worth all the years I lost in prison? No, not at all. Right. So do you, did, so you turn around? Did you have, like, a main fence? Or do you just break jewelry down and sell it?

I mean. Well, in New York, I had many fences somewhere on 47th Street, which is the Diamond District. There was been movies made about it. And so much legitimate business people there, but there's also a hell of a lot of corruption. You bring them things, you know, whatever you want. You just walk out with a pocket full of cash. You sell whatever you have. South Florida in Miami, they have what they call the Seabold building.

That building there is all like your jewelers exchange. It's probably an eight or ten-story tower. The walk-through lobby of it from one street to the other, it's about a block from the federal courthouse, is all high-end jewelry stores, like really gaudy stuff, like big diamond-en-crusted jewelry everywhere. But on the upper floors is mostly wholesalers and other jewel of salons. And then those upper floors is like a spider web of all sorts of nationalities in the jewelry or diamond industry. And I had multiple fences all throughout that building that would buy, you know, one of specialized watches, one was blue stones.

A lot of times, I started melting my own jewelry. I ended up getting a smelting pot, which is an asbestos pot. And it was something really identifiable, I would just roughly take, you know, if it was a fake stone, I'd bust a stone out of it. For example, unfortunately, school rings. You didn't want to mix 10 carri and 14 carrot. I'd have, you know, two handfuls of school rings, take all the stones off, throw them into smelter, and I'd make 10-carried gold bars. I would melt the bars.

Right. And pour them into ingots. And it was one time in Fort Lauderdale, I had actually an efficiency. and I was making 14 and 10-carat bars of identifiable jewelry was melding it down and I had pulled the refrigerators here out and it was an old school Florida tarasso for the slag jumped out and hit that cold concrete and exploded a divot in the floor like this deep I got hit in the face with all pieces of concrete from the explosion

so I lost got killed you know trying to melt some gold down in the kitchen of this place I had in the apartment in Fort Lauderdale but so yeah I had had fences. I had another one, Ronnell went out of business, gigantic smelting place jewelry operation in Hollywood, California. Because later on, they got associated with traffickers and all that money laundering. But at that time, they had an outpost from the Hollywood Police Department in there. And I'd come with a whole bag over my shoulder with all these milved bars that I was making. And what they would do is they'd put you in the locked room. One of the people would come with a scale and some paperwork. And they didn't care about IDs in those days. So I had a fake.

license from an international license saying I was from Ireland. You know, I was on holiday, you know. So that was what was my spiel back then. And so they would just give me a check that what they would do was they take all the raw smelted gold. They would then melt it, remelt it into proper bars and essay it, determine the spot value for that day. And I had a choice. I can get a check that total of weight so I can get a $30,000 check, whatever it was. and whatever name I wanted it or I could just immediately sell it back I could sell it back to them and get a check

or I could keep it and just pay the commission for turning it into proper bars and I would just always sell it up of course and walk out of there right past the police where the whole bunch of stolen South Florida gold over my shoulder but so this is how I dealt with fence

and I had another guy who was a former police detective in New York City he was thrown out of the force for some kind of corruption It might have been during the NAF Commission days back in New York. Anyway, so he was a really nice guy, great family, but he was really, really, you know, corrupt. I don't want to say his name here because I still talk to his family. But, you know, we call John the Plumber, put it that way.

So he'd meet me and, you know, always try to talk me down. I'm trying to talk him up. And he would always meet me with a pocketful of $100 bills. You know, do I come large or do I come small? I said, come large, you're meeting me. Come large. Bring up these 50 grand, you know. I might have 30 grand worth of stuff,

but I'm trying to talk about it on the whole 50. So these are fences. I had different types. Sometimes I would break a fence in if I was in a new community. I would, for example, be in California and Las Vegas doing what I do. It was right after I hit Navarro, it exploded in the media. And I was living with four girls from Ireland and one girl from England. They were on holiday.

So here I am doing coke all day. Here they are smoking. and drinking beer all day and, you know, how's a young guy in my 20s? I was having a blast at the time. I'm living with all these women, and every one of them was into me at various times. And, you know, so I had it made. I then traveled to California. I told them, look, you guys were all talking about going to California, and they didn't

know I hit the sheriff's house. I said, it's on me. I'm buying all tickets, but we got to leave, like, in the next two days. So I rounded everybody up, went to California. it. Before I left, that gun, I traded it to a friend for a bulletproof vest. I don't know why I needed a bulletproof vest, but I decided to buy one from this guy. He had one. And when I was trading it, he dropped it on the floor by front shop, and the hammer broke off, the gun fired, and one of us could have got shot at the feet. And it was split out so fast, that was Nick Navarro's

gun. So they ever find it today, it has a broken hammer on it. So yeah, we went to California. I continued to do the same things, but this time I didn't have any fences. I was just to accumulating jewelry and, you know, spending my savings that I took with me from out there. Plus, I was on a run. I was wanted in New York. So we all went out there, you know. Why were you wanted? We were doing a bunch of, we were doing a bunch of crimes where we were like robbing drug dealers and even some civilians posing as the police and taking all their drugs and all that. And we had a high-speed chase. I actually dove out of the car, rolled while the police were chasing us.

And I told the driver, you know, basically I put a gun in his stomach. He wanted to pull over because his twin brother was the one doing some cries with me. Right. He said, let me just pull over. I'm not involved. I said, you know what we came out here for to pick up this other hidden jewelry. You know there was a chance of cops. If you stop, and I had it, I kind of made the guy keep driving.

So I said, look, man, you're going to make a threat because he was a crappy driver. It was wet. It was November. And I just said, go real fast on a straightaway. break it make a slow turn i'm jumping out keep going don't stop for another mile let them keep chasing you and give us a chance to get out of the area and that's what we did on a turn on a high-speed turn i jumped out got banged up pretty bad i quickly crawled under whatever was there whatever vehicle on the side of the road and so did my my partner his twin he jumped out immediately we hid and i'm watching these

other cops passing him you know passing us and the sprays in our face was ice cold it was like a sleet kind of snow and I was like holy crap man and they they caught him and of course he immediately told on his brother and then when he called his brother he told on me so I went on the run so right period I hit during the period I hit in the virus house I was a fugitive and then the girls were all overextended their visas so they were wanted you know by immigration or whatever you call it at that time so we all went to California California I was finding fences by I basically, I would take some jewelry to any jewelry store. And I've tried this in South Florida with newer people I wanted to deal with.

And I would pose as, you know, I would go there maybe and buy something, spend, you know, a couple hundred dollars. And then I'd go back again. Hey, we're moving to the area. Hey, you know, we went to my aunt's storage unit. She passed away. She had all this jewelry laying around. And, you know, we just want to sell it for cash, no paperwork.

Because really, her son was this and that. We don't know the origins of it. You're willing to buy her, you know, with no ID. If they said, yeah, I own my fences because they didn't know where I got the stuff from, but I knew they were dirty and wanted to work with me. And so that's how it accumulated many fences. And one guy stands out, a Russian guy, California, Hollywood, was buying stuff for me all the time, constantly trying to use, I think it was on either Santa Monica Boulevard or Hollywood Boulevard,

or Hollywood Boulevard, forget the street, small shop, Russian guy. and he's always nickel and dime in me and trying to get over on me and this and that and like as if I'm a crackhead or some guy on meth and he's going to just try to get over and I said look you know is this getting old but I play the game

before that I trained my fences who had jewelry stores to let me in only after closing hours and here's why before the Russian a few weeks before I was in another fence a bunch of jewelry product probably was hitting Beverly Hills

I was hit in Hollywood I had a lot of jewelry and gold coins, I get up to his inside his store, there's two detectives out there looking over his paperwork at the counter. And I know what they're doing, right. They're checking for records of receipt of stuff he bought, comparing all the stuff that's been stolen. I probably had

most of the stuff they were looking for them standing behind these detectives at the counter. And so I just eased my way out. We're not saying anything to my fence to the store, and I left. And I called them back the next day. He said, why did you walk out? I said, you had two cops at your counter. He said, yeah, they're burglary detect.

there's people, they check what I'm buying against what stole. And I said, yeah, I figured that. But I told you some of my stuff might have questionable origins. And I'm not trying to have them lay eyes on me. Right. So I left. And that's exactly what they were doing. I have a good sense of people and picking up the signals and what they were all about.

I mean, didn't he realize that? No, he knew what they were. They were in there all the time. No, I know. I'm saying, didn't he realize? Like, obviously I left because I told you some of the stuff. Like, why would I stay? Right.

Who knows? You know, people ask things. You know, I'm always paranoid about somebody being wired when they're asking me something. Right. You're putting up a crime because I would think you're trying to set me up and then I'll just shut down. If I initiate it and it's something we did together, I'm going to go in your ear out of the blue. You're not going to know coming over. You're not going to, it's not going to be like, go meet me here at 5 o'clock.

No, it's going to be accidentally bringing into you to have a conversation. Right. I was super cautious about being caught on tape those days. So I get paranoid or if people ask me too many questions back in those days. You know how it is when you're living illegally. You know, anybody has to the raw thing? It's like a larvales. Do they know something?

Are they sending me up? Are they wired? You know? But so I trained all my fences at that period. Hey, do me a favor. Just waiting to run it to his cops again or any police or any of your customer or disrupt your business. If you close at 6 p.m.

And I got to see you that day. I'll show up at like 605 right if you lock the last customer out. This way, me and you talk before you put your stuff away, we'll do some business, and you let me back out. Yeah. You have no traffic. I hadn't trained. So I got the Russian guy trained like this also.

So he's always trying to get over on me. Always trying to get over on me. So one day I brought him a bunch of garbage. I figured it's about maybe $8,000 worth of stuff. He's looking through it. I'm in the back. I know where his bathroom was. I know he doesn't really lock his safe fully,

especially at night he's getting ready to pull all the stuff back in. So if it's safe as sitting cracked. I look in the back room, was sitting cracked open and I say okay I know what I'm going to do I'm going to help myself to whatever I can out of that safe while he's sitting there looking at that jewelry because I'm good like that so while he was looking at it I said hey let me use a restroom while you're checking the jewelry you know he's doing the asset test he's looping the diamonds I go in the back bathroom to tend to and I quickly open a safe and I grab a stack of hundreds and a gigantic

fat Turkish length necklace it was like something a wrap of my player it was so heavy And I took that. So I ended up leaving there about 50, 60 grand. So I pretended that I wasn't happy with his price because I figured if I agree to the price he offered me, he might have to go back to the safe for the cash. So when he gave me the price, I said, they ain't go again. You keep trying to get over on me. Listen, I'll think about I'll see you tomorrow.

And I took my jewelry back from him and I left with all this stuff. Never went back. Never to see him again. A few weeks later, some meth heads held him up with a taser. he pulls out a gun and kills one of them and then they started you know harassing him at a shop all the friends and he had he actually had to shut down his store but yeah so there was a lot of incidents like that you ask about fences those are i was going to say like your guy tries your your buddy tries to rob me i kill him and then everybody's going to harass me right he's

so i guess the little his little the method uh friends he had you know running around with him but But why would you go to jewelry store with a taser to rob a guy, you know? Yeah, well, yeah. And unless it's a chain store, a person, an owner who has a vested interest in that business is certainly going to want to kill you when you try to rob. So, you know, I didn't function like that. If I, if you screwed me over, I found 16 different ways to get back at you or, you know. In fact, you know, I've written a book about Robert Durst. I knew him years ago.

I wrote a book about my relation with him and some of the weird stuff. he's done around me that I knew Glenn Maxwell we can get to that story in a minute but I tease people now I say you know there's a there's a saying that says you know I have a I have a bullet with your name on it you know when you're mad at somebody you know you're in life or whatever so my thing is I'm going to do like an image on my books for now on it's going to be an outline of a bullet and you're going to say you're like you screw with me I've got a book with your name on it he's out of straight books telling the stories but uh so that's the stories with some of the fences I could probably go on and off for hours

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How a homeless team became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible. How long until you eventually got caught for all the, or did you ever get caught for the burglaries? I eventually got caught. I hit the Winter's Yacht Charters family. They had a gigantic home at Harbor Beach. I don't know if you know, Fort Lauderd there pretty well.

And they actually had two houses in Harvard Beach, and a lot of famous basketball players and sports figures lived in this certain area right by the ocean. You got Pier 66 over there, 17th Street Causeway, right by the ocean. And so I was hitting a lot of houses in there. I saw this house with a realtor. And to tell you how I got caught, one of the biggest heist I ever did, it was about $4 million, cash jewelry, multiple PJs, Diamond and Cruces, Rolexes, P&A, women's watches, tennis bracelets. crazy good score. So that that, the realtor showed me the house. I went to go see it another day to go hit the house,

but they always had people working over there. Like, you know, maize or this one or that one. One day they were having a Christmas party on one of their yachts. Now they had three yachts at that time, gigantic mega yachts that they would rent out to like Lori Esteban and all these celebrities would have parties, you know, up and down intercoastal, nice parties on their yachts or out in the ocean. and so I knew the Christmas party was going down a few days before Christmas

and their whole family and the owners of the house would be on the yacht a few blocks away at the thing I think it was called Bahia Mar Yacht Club so I went knock on the door nobody there I knew the alarm wasn't even on I picked the lock went in quickly got the safe got some paintings put it in there I had this time I didn't have the liquid glove I had some leather gloves on got the scanner on I get everything in there I'm going to go because they party on the yacht at the yacht club is so close to the house. I know they can be coming back and forth. I'm about to pull out of the driveway, and the guy in a bright yellow corvette pulls in behind me,

and I'm like, crap. So I'm trying to get the gloves off, and he pulls right behind me, and he walks right up to me. I'm sweating from carrying the safe down the stairs from the master bedroom. And he says, can I help you? I said, hey, yeah, my name is Such and Stuff. I gave him a Bogus name. I said, Barbara Such and Such showed me this house. not long ago. I wanted to see if I could see it again before I go back to Chicago for the holidays.

And he goes, oh yeah, she's still showing the house. We haven't sold it yet. It's my parents' house. We're having the Christmas party. What's your name again? I'll tell him you passed by. Even he saw me sweating. And when I exited the last time with my hands full, the front door was open a little bit. So later from the legal work, this discovery, he noticed I was sweating in South Florida. You know, it's carried his safe. So he noticed, and it said, And he turned around from talking to me. He noticed their gigantic doors were open ajar. And he went in there.

So he kind of panicked. He had a gun on it. He armed himself and went through the house real quick. I was calling 911 as I'm hauling ass out of there. Well, if you know South Florida, you have the intercoastal waterway. To A1A, you have drawbridges at that time over each one, like sunrise, whatever the streets, well, 17th Street. So rather than me cutting out and going straight, for I believe it would have been 17th Street, street to I-95, I got the scanner on. I unplug it. I throw it on the seat next to me. I quickly

changed shirts. I had a difficult shirt on, and I hit towards A1A. Now you dead end at the ocean, you got to make the left or right. I ate the red light, went around traffic, and I'm trying to get to La Solis. Las Solis is where the Elba room is, like where Elvis made a movie, a very famous bar. So La Solis, where it intersects with A1A on the ocean, I made that left and tried to make the Las Solis Bridge, because I know from the experience of doing burglaries on that side of those bridges, they'll contact all the bridge tenders that they think they trap the burglar on one side, and they'll try to trap them while they search the streets and look for you or your vehicle. So I knew those bridges were going to get put up.

I knew this guy was paranoid the way of what was presented. And so I took the light in front of A1A in Los Olas in front of all the traffic, praying to God, there was no cops around. They usually are tons of them, but there was none. And mainly for the bridge, like two streets up. I'm doing like 90 miles an hour. As soon as they get on, I hear the guy saying, it's like pretty much as I'm getting to the light, I hear the dispatch saying

dispatch notify all the Britsians. Just hurry up and throw the bridges up. Because the call is coming in already. Mike, just shut the door. What happened? The homeowner's in pursuit. The homeowner's armed. I'm like, crap. The homeowner's going to shoot me. The God's going to suit me. So all this stuff's building. And I'm like, okay,

I ate another light and I floored it. Just as that was coming over the air, And I get to the bridge, and the arms are starting to come down. Now, there's a split second. You can make the arm. Yeah. You're going to make the bridge. If it starts opening, you're going to hit it and get killed or fall in the water if you made it that far.

So I flew as the arm was coming down. And just before I started raising, I made it to the other side. And I look in my mirror, and the bridge is starting to go up. So they couldn't trap down the ocean side. I went up some side streets. I put another tag on the vehicle. I took side streets home. At one point I have my window open

I went through a construction zone on a Dixie Highway A friend of mine's got a tire shop there I was going to try to hide the vehicle there And there's a cop next to me I got to scatter also listening to the calls about me That they're in the ceiling off the air You know, put the helicopter up, they're bringing dogs

I'm listening to all the calls about me While I'm listening to a scanner A cop passes to me in a construction zone Arms distance away His window's open I'm hearing the same calls out of my left ear from his radio that I'm hearing of my radio right looking down like taking notes

and looking around the traffic and I'm literally side by side with him you know but I'm always clean cut and throwing a different color shirt on this guy didn't even glance over had he glanced over he had me because it was nowhere to go stuck in traffic he had construction zone

got away with it so how did I get caught fast forward I'm selling all this jewelry I'm all throwing stones I got my friends pulling big stones out putting like a big uh I think was an aqua memory and gigantic stone, pulled that out, put it in a black, I forgot the name of the stone. But anyway, we're switching out stones. If something had a lot of diamonds, I would take out every few diamonds and have somebody

put rubies or emeralds in, and then I would take those to get maximum dollar. I would give them to other fences in Palm Beach on consignment. So now I had a completely altered piece that instead of getting $30,000 for it, I might get $40,000 or $50,000 for it. They put it in their window. I just stole it for a Lord of though. But it's altered enough where they can't say where he came for anymore. Right.

Still have the loose stones to play with to make some side money. And then when they sell it, hey, Bill, we sold your piece. You know, we have an offer, not exactly what you want. We're going to take our 10%. You want to sell it. You want to sell it. I had stolen stuff in consignment shops all over in Florida. Right.

So I'm on a binge one time, still using coax, still trafficking, coax, still trafficking guns. I'm in a motel, a four-a-nearle near the ocean. and I'm by myself because I don't bring the illegal things I do to the house ever I've always had a hotel room I don't bring my dirt to the house

Right And I'm ashamed of what I'm doing You know frankly you know I'm not proud of what I'm doing My family's worried about me The cops are always looking for me For one reason or another You know my sister would say The only time we have peace

Is when you're in jail You know Why can't you just smoke a joint once in a while Why are you using coke and you know Stealing everybody's stuff Right Well he's kind of good at it you know But at the same time

many time I had something nice. You know, what do you have? Can I need a pearl necklace? I need this. I need that. The same people that turned it back on you, they sure had their hand out when things were going good. I know it well. I know those people well. Right. So, you know, I love them, but, you know, it's just a sister part of human nature. So I'm in this hotel. There's women walking around. I spoke to a shoe of them. I'm not really with all that unless I know it's a, you know, nice woman, whatever, you know, weekend warrior type chick. But these weren't exactly like that. They were more like the stripper kind, you know, and I wasn't really trying to hang

with that and you ended up getting sick or something. This guy kept pacing my room and then going in their room, and I knew one of these women. So when he took off, I sat there, I said, who the freak is this guy that keeps going and no one, but he's passing my room constantly? I said, I've been up for days. I'm paranoid like everybody else around here. And I don't know if he's a cop or he's coming to get me or who. the hill this guy is oh he's just tweaking he's he takes a hit and he goes for a walk you know

he gets paranoid he wants to go for a walk i says well he's freaking me out while i'm talking to them this guy knocks and they let him in so now i'm in the room with the guy and somebody else's room so i immediately pull out my gun and i told him i said get back to the bathroom man i put this guy in the bathroom i said you a cop i was out of my mind i would never do that if it was in my right mind. Right. I'm so paranoid. And he's like, oh, no, I'm like, huh? He said, I'm just out of here getting high. I'm paranoid.

I said, I'm not going to tell you where I am, but you've passed by hotel room a fucking 100, 200 times, and like, what's wrong with you? He said, I'm paranoid. I can't sit still when I use, when I use the coke, I take a hit, and I go for a walk. I said, dude, you're freaking me out. I said, take your clothes off. I want to see that you have a gun or a badge or if you're wired. That's how paranoid it was.

He strips down. He's in tears, this and that. I, uh, I had a, I had, I had, I had, I learned from buttons to always have a handcuff key on me. So in all my clothes, I sewed in the Velcro patch in the back right where I can reach it. And I was a lot thinner than I could easily reach around. I could put cuffs up in front if I wanted to. Plus, I could pick locks without the cuff most times.

Because a locksman, then I know the things I could open them with. But I would always just have like the Smith & Western or the peerless handcuff key, always behind a piece of belcro on my pants. So I had a pair of shorts on with the cuff key. and he gets stressed all of a sudden I'm trying to think how this exactly panned out so I let him go

we talk we changed information I don't think I gave my real information he gave me his he owns some dry cleaners called the chain of them in Florida but he was like a weekend binge type of guy so but I didn't know he was out

on bond for a case and he was cooperating with the police oh okay I was going to say he must have gone and told the police like yeah so this goes for a couple hours. I have a Rolex presidential one with a blue lapis face

covered in diamonds. Aftermarket diamond band, diamond bezel. It's from the winder's heist. I'm wearing this watch. This guy, after we're talking for a while and things calm down, he says, hey, Bill, that's a beautiful watch. He said, I know Fred Winders have one just like that. He said the name right on the head, the person I stole it from.

months before. And I said, oh, really? I said, no, no, no. This is my father gave me this gift when I graduated from college, you know, in New York, just to blow him off. But I was like, holy fuck. He said, I used to be a bartender on one of their yachts. They have a yacht company in town. What are the odds? It happens. It happened. So it didn't believe a word I was saying. He went out and talked to his cops, he was cooperating in Fort Worth of the PD. I met a guy named Bill. He's got a gigantic, you know, diamond and crust of Rolex. So I had. where it's friends watch and so I go back to my room and one of the couple people came over and we were waiting for one of their friends to bring some drugs over and the guy went in the room

while paranoid he was what the hot thing you guys doing here there's this whole parking lot's crawling with cops and there's a helicopter over it they figured out who I was and I was the guy they were looking for for like being the most prolific burglar in you know south florida history pretty much one of them anyway and so they realized that they finally had me and where I was, thanks to this guy and these women. So he goes in there, he goes in the bathroom, but all you hear is him flushing.

He wasn't this dope. He brought over, and he's all freaked out. They lock it on the door. I look out. It's a men and women standing out there. And so how I get caught for this one was, you know, I don't these people know my full

business at all. Right. And I'm walking and I'm like, prolific burglar in full order them. I'm like, oh, crap. I'm really screwed. So they said, wait, we're detectives from Fort Lauderdale, the PD. Where's that guy that just ran in here? And he's like, oh, I'm right here. You know, I'm listening to the friends. And they said, well, they're dealing with him. I came out from behind the door, literally, like, second floor of this outdoor motel, nice little inside motel. And I'm walking to get the hell away from them. And I got like six doors down. I'm

outside of the room. They stepped out. They said, hey, you. get back over here. We didn't tell you you can go. And it was cops all in the parking lot and the helicopter. So the people down below thought I was giving permission to walk out. So they didn't try to stop me. Right. Detectives are now outside yelling for me.

They confront me. I've got the key for my room in my hand. And I'm like, my way to me to get rid of this thing. Because in there I have a briefcase. I have an ultrothermic lance, which is used for cutting open safes and balls just 10,000 degree oxygen. And so they'll have the watch on. Yeah, I still had the watch on.

So they're like, yeah, what's your name, you know? And I made up some name, Bill Kelly, you know. And so they're asking me all these questions, well, you have an ID and this and that. And I said, well, I'm just staying here temporarily. You know, I forgot all the stories I was telling, but I probably started to get tripping myself up a little bit because I was up for days. I couldn't keep it right. And so they said, look, if you have a room here, they brought the manager. The manager said, oh, yeah, he has a room, such a such room.

The managers told us they're not going to let you renew the room. So after that room expires, they're going to watch you out. I'm not going to renew it. And then you're going to have to get off the property or get trespassed. And we'll be here for that. Or we can just tell us who you really are because we really think there's way more going on here. And so it was a standoff for like three hours until like, I think, 11 or 1 o'clock all around checkout time. They said to the managers, check out time for him.

Are you allowing him to redo the room? I said, no. May we go in? They said, yes. So now they had their legal right to enter the room. The second they get in there, in my briefcase, you know, they get in there. It's got like literally like my real parole papers from New York are in there. Like 37 sets of fake IDs are in there, fake license and international licenses.

Several sets of law picks, a police scanner, gloves, you know, no weapons, but it was enough to show your professional burglar. Then I had a case. DuPont dissect It said oxygen lances It would cut through anything Accetaline torches Burned at 2,700 degrees My torch

It put pure oxygen down The copper rile with magnesium inserts in it A tip Big sparkle at 10,000 degrees In the tip Yeah I can rip through anything with it And I was

And so they found that in a room They said yeah Are you okay Because where's your family Where's this? Where's that? I said oh my family You know God forgive me

My family was all killed in the plane crash, you know, 10 years ago, I'm on my own. You know, I just, you know, I don't have my right mind. I work odd jobs, you know, delivering pizza. I was just making up every story, you know, but I'm dressed nice. I have jewelry. And you're like, just like, you're so full of shit. We know who you are. Why do you just tell us? We don't know your real name, but we know what you've been doing around here. They open a briefcase, and they say, we think this is you, and they have my real information on it. And I said, okay, because the one guy said, he jogs. And he said, if you try to take off running, he said,

I've run five miles a day. He said, I'll catch your ass. And the second, they pulled the parole paper. I'm sitting by the pool side. They pulled my parole papers. Now there's a big crowd of tourists and everybody's staying at the hotel watching this, like Mexican standoff of me with these detectives for like hours. So finally, when they showed me that, I just stood up.

I said, where are you going? I turned around. I said cuffed me up. Here's my real. That's my real name. Let's get this older. And that's how I got caught. That guy turned me in for the watch.

that was one way I got caught that was the big one how much time did you do on that I had to take them to my storage unit and give back a bunch of stolen stuff and then I drove them around burglaries I did I kind of told all myself on some other things in exchange for

I think I told them on maybe 60 perfectly she said I did including the viral in exchange for being able to plead the three burglaries including the Windridge and yeah so there was that I had returned millions of dollars assets basically

I had a big restitution with that case I ended up with I think I did like three years in the county and then like another they put me like 10 years probation which I quickly violated and I ended up with six years of president at that time so six years totally including the

three years yeah I was doing some time for something else in the county but I was held there and I kept stalling my case around trying to get a better deal. They were trying to put me in prison. At that time, I had no significant record, like 90s. So my record really accumulated later on.

But, yes, I ended up, like I said, having to give back a bunch of stuff. And it was funny because I used to go to a lot of soldier fortune conventions. And so I had a dummy grenade, you know, like a paperweight grenade or real ride. They don't have the explosives or the fuse. And I had that there. And then I had a Russian ballistic knife. I don't know if you know what those are. You pull the pin and it's a big dagger and you pull the trigger and it'll come straight out and it'll go into somebody or a side of beef all the way.

It's like the breath. They're called ballistic knives. It's spring loaded. So I had that there. So either from that or the grenade, like the pin that were going through the stolen stuff, asking me to try to remember where it came from. So they saved them their work from going through records. But the pin hit the floor.

They went running. I'm in shackles from the jail. Right. with a book without that pin in the floor they went running I said

there's nothing explosive in there it's probably from the knife or the on the paper we grid right they all went

running down the end of the storage you and left me standing down by shackles but it was probably crazy

experiences I have a book coming out another one you know I wrote two books your fans can know

your audience you know my website's up there plus her on Amazon one about Robert Thurst

one about the Lynn Maxwell. But I have another one coming out, which is more like the secular story of my life and stupid things I did and how I believe, because I am a man of faith now, I'm not perfect. But I believe God had his hand on my dumb ass all along, but I could have been killed many times. And the things I did, I put myself out there. I'd been shot at. I had some close calls, you know, high-speed chases. What happened with the Durst? What's the Durst book? The Durst book is called Sex and a Serial Killer My Bizarre Times with Robert Durst.

I have sent you some images. And it's about my story of how I met Robert Durst in the early 80s. I was attending Locksmith School in Manhattan. Sammy, the guy who died and my son were coming out of a fast food restaurant. He was rushing down the street with Susan Berman. Susan Berman's father was a notorious mobster back years ago, Dave the Jew Berman in Las Vegas. He ran Vegas for Meyer Landske.

So she was a screenwriter, an author, very good friends of Robert Durst. I run into him, not knowing who he was. My drink's all over me. He's cursing me out. I have a Brooklyn attitude. I'm already dealing a little bit of Coke and I have a gun on me. So I said, if you, mother effort. I'm like a young guy.

I'm like in my early 20s. I go out to pull the piece out. Sammy Grads me, said, what are you doing? It's a soda. It's not worth it. He's has a gun on him. Durst had a gun on him because he was collecting rents. The old property went over the place.

And a lot of the strip clubs near my school, the strip, they were like the peep shows back in the day when it was real seedy. Now Disney has everything. His family, the Durst organization, owned a lot of those places. A lot of the renters were mobsters. A lot of the cash, a lot of the rent was paid in cash. So he was, I think, in the neighborhood at that time, collecting rents personally. And I happened to crash into him. He crashed into me.

We had words. And that's how I met him. she got a hold of him Bobby Bobby relax it was just an accident you know he got real mouthy with me and I'm quick to respond to that you know back especially back then and uh we had some words and then she said to me right in front of Robert thirst she said you know please ignore him his wife was recently murdered you know he's really not in his right mind and I was like okay and his look to her to Susan Berman it looks to kill it looks like he killed her then that was a Freudian slip on

her part. Because at that stage, Kathy Durst had only been missing a few months, and he had been just reporting her missing. Nobody was investigating it as a murder back in the year when I met him. So for her to say that, she knew more than she was saying. Ultimately, we find out that Susan was his alibi because Kathy supposedly disappeared. She was going to become a pediatrician at Albert Einstein's School of Medicine. Susan Berman posed as her and said, I won't me in for my test, whatever testing she was doing, I'm not feeling well. And the dean didn't really recognize the voice. And normally they wouldn't call a dean. They would call somebody else. So they deliberately called somebody who wouldn't recognize the voice. And

that person, the dean, notified the professor, oh, Kathy's not well, she's not going to come in, you know. And that kind of made it look like she never came back or whatever's happened to her. I forgot the whole story he lied about for so many years. And then he kept changing the story. but ultimately fast so I got friendly with him and then what he did was at this same incident he tried to really talk walking back because he was pissed at her and I'm very protective of women and I knew that she was in danger I was like it immediately dawned on me this guy killed his wife and this chick knows it and she accidentally blurted it out you go to a complete stranger so I'm like kind of torn between where I needed to be and trying to protect her and then really

okay, if this guy's like really as wealthy as this lady just telegraphed that he is, you know, maybe I can find a way to get in his pocket. So we exchanged information that he said something along the lines. He asked me why I was in the area. And I said, I'll go into the lockswood school, you know, and he says, hey, would you be the kind of person with those skills willing to cross the line? I said, for the right price, anything is possible. And that's how I met Robert Durst. That developed into him coming over periodically to my house in Brooklyn, wanting to use the upstairs apartment or the basement and bringing different women there

doing this thing, whatever they were, called girls, friends, this, that. One of them was a transsexual and me starting to see more and more odd behaviors and photographs and things that I, that's why I call them a serial killer. He had things with them that were not,

there weren't just like, honest type things that, you know, people might be into. They were like death implements. There was like saws and there was like, you know, tarp and this. weird shit, the stuff he used to bring over and they wanted to leave at my house. And then he would show me pictures. And one girl, I go to check on him because I wouldn't participate.

He would just pay me. He would pay me for use of the place. And when I went to check, you know, they're all naked and this and that. And this one young lady, you know, you couldn't help notice. She had cherry tattoos, you know, on her. And a young girl, she was probably 18, 19 years old. And fast forward a few months later, he's showing me pictures of, some obviously dead women, and that girl's there.

And that's described in the book in the condition she was in. But he was convicted of what? Two murders, right? Or just one? He has been under investigation for murdering Kathy Nurse's first wife who and friends with her family in 1982, but all the prosecutors of Westchester County, New York would never prosecute. It's speculated and rumored and alleged that his family was paying so much money and donations to the various prosecutor's campaigns.

to keep him from being prosecuted, you know, they were helping him. And so now it's probably going to be litigation starting soon against that family for covering up for him so long because them, them allegedly doing that enabled him to continue going on killing other people. Right. Okay, so Susan now became a liability to Robert Durst over years. The jinx came out on HBO, became huge. I was in prison.

I wrote writing a book about my life. Bobby Durst was going to be, you know, a few pages. you know, the weird shit he did around me and the old guy is a piece of crap. My co-author, Gary Greenberg, is a friend of mine. He's right now the editor of the National Enquirer. He's one of the editors there. And he's a crime writer. So Gary's in Boka.

And he said, look, this is huge right now. You're putting him in your book and your manuscript, write a quick book about everything about him and we'll put that out. I'll help you put that out while you're incarcerated. And I wrote the book about my experiences, sex and the serial killer, and my bizarre times of Robert Durst. It came out, was doing really well while I was in prison. Madam became in the National Choir, of course. It got in there several times.

It got in the son of London. It got in, I think in New York Post, numerous publications. While I'm incarcerated, you'll see on the cover of it in the top corner. Nancy Grace covered that book on her podcast while I was still incarcerated. Now, she's known as the Queen of True Crime. Now they call me the King of True Crime. was the true crime king it's kind of weird i would play it out but uh so nancy grace love the book she hates robert durst obviously she's really tough on violent criminals and all that you know

you know she is you hate to everybody right yeah so yep yep everybody equally she's over the top but that's what makes her like you know attracted to people as a talking head because you never know what kind of crazy crap she's going to say next right so you know i think the lady who killed the baby was called top bomb or something the one of Orlando yeah case See, Anthony. Yeah. He can't refer to her as top mom, you know. You know, it was just horrible.

But so I had a lot of attraction on that. And then I started writing about Glynn Maxwell. Now, I've been counseling for many years over something that happened to me at the house at her hands and being drugged. I wrote my book about her called Glynn, Sensational and then Pure. I started going through counseling in prison. The next thing you know, they're blowing up in the media because Epstein is getting arrested. She's worried about it.

And that's one of the things she told. me she wanted to eliminate Epstein this is years ago she said he's going to be the death of me you know and then and it was all kinds of problems between me and her at the very end of our of our unfortunate relationship but uh so i started when you were out this is when you were out you were you were friends with her or right i met her through epstein who i met when i was at a fence i was at a fence this place of business on pop in palm beach on worth avenue um real quick this fence had some of the jewelry from Windridge and some other, you know, places. Some on consignment, some he was buying out right from me.

I'm not going to say his name now. He's passed away, but he had a diamond salon on second floor, Unworth Avenue. I went up in a salon. This shows you how I won't explain how I met Jeffrey Epstein. I go in there. I got stuff with me again. I'm a future there from some other case, you know, because I don't have a habit of jumping bomb than that go to court.

So I've always wanted for something in those days, right? And I see he's with somebody And that person has a young teenage girl with him And they're talking I told them, you know, take care of your business And I acted like I was just looking through the case On the other side of the slum He has like celebrities in there

Heads of state All kinds of people shop at this guy's place Diamond's gigantic Just tripping would not stop diamond jewelry I know if you know Worth Avenue It's like Rodeo drive for Palm Beach It's just the highest end of the highest end so I'm in there and all of a sudden I see the guy

the girl looks like Joni Foster from taxi driver pretty much exact like a doppelganger they call it yeah he looked about 14 15 years old though next thing I know I guess he didn't hear me there didn't forgot I was there I see his hand on her on her butt and then sliding in the back of her shorts and I know no matter what the circumstances is that shakes under and this guy is a creep.

So I just bided my time, it cleared my throat and he stopped doing it. But when they left, I told my friend, they said, hey, I'll be right back. I'm going to go grab lunch. And I followed him. I was going to confront him. Unwanted. I've got a gun on me.

I've got a silencer on. I've got a bunch of jewelry on me. But I'm always well dressed. I think I probably had a suit on at that time, whatever. I followed him up the road. He went to Taboo. I don't know if you know the famous restaurant taboo. He went there. I followed him in there. I got another table. I called him over. He didn't even want to talk. And I said, hey, you were in such a

such salon a few minutes ago. And I confronted him about what happened. And he tried to talk his way out of it. I said, if I want to be an asshole, he said it was his niece and they're playing around. I said, if I want to be an asshole, he's got videos all in that place. You're definitely on video with your hand down that shakes shorts. And she's not an adult. Okay, I don't care. What you're doing in the public? What you're into? I don't know your life. I said, but that's a kid, you know, and he was talking his way out of it, and I guess he suspected he was going to be confronted to that, because I said, you know, come over, and then I went to his table.

I said, do you only favor join me at my table privately for a minute? And he just sat there, like, well, smugged look and whispered to her. So I'm pretty sure he realized he was about to be confronted and prepped her from what he was going to say to me. Because I told him, I pulled the gun, I said, you're going to sit right here. I told Epstein, sit at the table and don't freaking move. And I said, I'm serious.

I got nothing to lose. Don't move. And I said, because if you do, it's going to end badly. I said, the best thing that can happen to use, the cops show up and see those videos. So you stayed there. I went over to talk to her. Same thing. She said, oh, you know, it was niece.

We play like that. I'm 18. I says, you're not 18. And she gave me some name. I forget now. I says, you're not 18. I said, and that's not cool. He's a piece of shit.

You need help getting away from him. I'll take you wherever you need to go. You know, and she's like, no, no, no, seriously. So she had her story prepped by him probably a few seconds before. And that's how I met him. So he's the same way like thirst, like all of these people that I've met over the years. You know, they try to, especially if they're middle of doing something dirty and I'm being forceful with him, I try to portray something I really don't want to do, but I'll make people think I'm going to do it. Right.

So I will have the gun and the silencer a lot of times in the briefcase when I want to see fences, open it on their counter. They see that piece sitting there. And they would think twice, you know, Bill's not the kind of person I want to try to screw over. If cocaine deals, go to see Colombians, Cuban, same thing. I'd open a bag, I'd put the piece to the side. I'd dig for the cashier. They'd say, okay, you know, let me not screw a deal. You know, it just gets people pause because I did a lot of stuff alone.

And you need to have something. If you don't have backup, you need to have some kind of intimidation factor going on. So, New York attitude and the visual of the piece. So we exchanged information. I told me I was a jewelry wholesaling. He goes, oh, I buy a lot of jewelry, and he gave me his number. And that's how I stayed in touch with him. And then you read the book, how things played out at the house, and some of the videos

I ultimately saw and how resentful he was that I had pulled the gun on him in a public place. You know, he was really, it was bothering him for so long that he turned the tables on me one time in the house with one of the security detail. And I was trapped in a room, and we were arguing, and that he was showing me like how many people he owned, and I saw some videos. I detail who's on some of the videos I personally saw. And some of them you've seen the news, some of them you haven't. I'm one of the few people in the world that's actually laid eyes on these blackmail videos.

And I literally, I've been in counseling for many years about it. I've talked to the victim rights attorneys. And then after what Glenn did to me, they were trying to get me, I would see traffic. I would see traffic. There was girls coming and going from the house all the time. And I told him and her, I said, all these girls coming and going all the time. I said, they look pretty young. He said, oh, no, they're models, and they're giving him massages and this and that.

And then I'm fooling around with Glenn once in a while. She started to open up to me about a lot of things. She had adult assistance. We had three-somes. Everything was fine. But I'm always sensed like being recorded in this freaking house. So when they're inviting a third woman to the bed and it was one of these young girls, I'm like, no, I said, I don't feel comfortable with that. To me, they're underage.

And I don't believe you that they're not. I think he was trying to catch, get me on a video with him also turning the tables about me putting him on the spot that day and trying to find a way to blackmail me or keep me quiet and whatever. And I would never went for it. But I was back there a few times and one of the last times, like I said, it's in the book. I left with some things which ultimately were taken back by law enforcement. And between that and some of those early victims coming forward, nobody did a thing to these people. They will continue to get away with it for years and years and years. So that book blew up.

If you Google William Steele with like Prince Andrew, you know, Hillary Clinton, you Google my name with, you know, with Glenn Maxwell. You see all the articles come up about my book and the revelations of what I did with this stuff. The fact that I've been talking to the attorneys for years about it. I didn't want a thing. I was technically a victim of hers because some of the stuff that happened was when I was. when I was drugged. I didn't know I realized I was drug. But I'm a guy, you know, and, you know, who's going to complain about two women drugging you and having their weight with you? You know, right. Because it was consensual until it wasn't. Right. So there's that. But I never really want, I said, the best I would do with these lawyers, if you want any thing about what I saw on the videos, I would testify to that at civil hearings and all that. Um, if whether it was your client or not, I don't know. I can maybe look at some of the pictures and let you know if I saw some of them. But, and then I've been counseling for years over it because once a one of the news and I realized how many people started dying by coming forward against them and the Clintons, you know, I don't know how much you're going to be able to air of this part of it on your channel, but, uh, the certainly, huh?

We'll see. Yeah, I was on Sean Atwood, okay? And he had been deep platform for talking about Andrews so much and then naming some of the victims in the UK, there's different rules there than there are here. So he got the platform And like his fans had to get involved And they restored his platform After I think a few months But he's had me on twice

Both times they went viral There's a clip of him saying My guy William Steele Every time you come on is two 300,000 views So he's he's invited me to London To come on and do some shows But he loves it because he's been up there Rear End for years of Prince Andrew and Maxwell

And I come out of prison telling my story With a book in hand You know and approve from the attorneys and everything My current guest co-hosts is Samantha Markle, Megan Markle's sister, Prince Harry's sister alone. A gym of a human being. Well, Megan's a horrible human being. I know. That's what I'm saying.

Like, she's, that's what I'm saying. She's just, everything I see about her and, you know, Prince Henry apparently goes along with everything she says. I mean, that, oh, it's ridiculous. I don't know how that happened. The guy had a world in his feet. If he couldn't take on all the royal duties that were required, he probably could have said, hey, I have some PTSD from the war

and killing all these haliband. You brag on all the time. You know, to tell the queen, look, can you give me half the duties that I normally would have? Why abandon that lifestyle? You get out of your mind. And why be with a woman that mocks what your family has done for generations and generations

and mocks the people that you're, you know, mocks an institution that is that is, you know, a thousand years old and, you know, like, who are you? Who do you think you are? Every family has bad and weird stuff going on, but overall, I think they've done a lot of good and they can do good and improve. I mean, it's just disgusting. She just wants to be an A-list.

Now, there's things I know now from talking to Samantha that I cannot say on the show. I may be talking to you privately. But there was reasons that Samantha, her father were not invited to the world wedding when she married Harry and they nothing like what Megan's putting out. They have so much on Megan that would like blow the internet up again if they released it. And I love their whole we just want to be left alone, but we're going to go on this megator and write a book and do a do a documentary. And you don't sound like someone who wants to be left alone. Like you're not what are you doing? That South Park

episode I think made fun of all that. It's the worldwide privacy tour. Leave us hello. My reality show in Italy, which now has 11 million views on TikTok alone. A fan says you're blowing up on TikTok. I said, what the hell is TikTok? I've been in prison at my life. He turned me on to it.

When I got out of prison, I was living with a wacky seventh-day eventist couple. She was a pen pal for years, totally innocuous. I knew she was married. I wasn't hitting on her trying to get some crazy conversation going. They had this They agreed to let me stay there And we agreed to film the A&E show there About what it's like to get out of prison

And had a whole recidivism down By adequate housing When you get out This sign they made was on my bedroom wall No drinking or drugs No smoking No strip clubs or bars When or overnight

No R-rated movies pornography No take of the Lord's name Oh my gosh Yeah this is excessive Okay That's on episode one The second I walked out We were in COVID lockdown

I gained weight I was pale as a ghost I hadn't had a haircut for a year Guys were dying all around Me friends of mine died I came out and had a screwed up condition And I'm filming I got cameras on me

The whole first day When I looked like crap Feel like crap All I want to do is laid out Right You get the bath or something Get my hair cut off I walk into this bedroom

With that on the wall I says I feel like I'm being prank Now I can't give it away much because he can't give away spoilers per my contract. But that's out of one of their trailers anyway. So the rule board's on my wall. I have a freaking unicorn light light. They painted the walls like a peach or pink color, wherever the hell it was. I have like girly blankets and comforter on there. I'm like, what are you guys doing? You know, I just got out of prison. But I couldn't have houseguess anyway, so nobody could see the room but me.

Right. Holy crap. This is on national television. But then, you know what? Here's how I played it. I'm like, you know what, I live with the weirdest people and cellmates in prison. You know, you don't always get to pick them, though once in a while you can. I could deal with that crap. I could deal with these two people that will just give me a hard time. Right. And the husband, if you saw him, Mark, he's like, oh, I was just trying to test you.

And I'm like, dude, you're a weirdo, and you've never done a second of time in your life. And you don't know much about my background, because I know your wife will longer than I know you. And you don't test somebody coming out of prison. You try to give them their space and help them. And, you know, they got to decompress. No, test them with garly stuff all over the freaking bedroom. So I just wanted to show you that. Getting back to the shirt, if you look at almost all of my sit downs when the producers

sit you down and they say, tell us how you felt when he walked in the room and he saw how they prepared it for you, you know, after 18 years in prison, Bill. So what happened? So let's go back to your story. So what, I mean, how ultimately did you, you ended up in prison for, in fact, federal prison for what reason? I was in state, only state. I was a state for burglary,

grant theft, fleeing. Oh, I thought you were in federal prison. I never made it to the fence, unfortunately. I just did the hellacious trip through the state system, you know, loaded with probably a lot of the same stuff you have there, but a lot, probably a lot worse conditions. Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

What state? I was in Florida. I got transferred as an escape risk to interstate compact to Virginia, and I got released from Virginia. They had me in a supermax, you know, escaped from prison, but I didn't do anything fancy. But because they knew my background, locksman, the alarm technician burglar, you know,

could open locks, I would go on trips. If we got transferred in Florida from one prison to another, I would generally take something with me. They had these ID clips, you know, assemble them with the metal, some of the plastic ones. Right. People would have that spring. I'd get that spring out.

You better than a certain way. You can open the cuffs with it pretty easily. There's ways to file them down, pick the uh so i get transferred with the immobilization black box on you know i'm overweight i got a little bit of a stomach so now the black box and the cuffs are cutting into here i mean you've been on trips where you had all that damage in your wrist right and in my case they throw an electric belt on me for good measure because i'm escape risk so they have a remote control and if they want to be jerks or if you do something stupid they just hit the remote and 100 000 volts

to your spine's going to pretty much drop anybody then of course the leg irons. In my case, sometimes in the Supermax, they would even have, after all that stuff was put on, they had these mittens so you couldn't pick blocks. Because sometimes I'll sell my trips for the hell of it. I, you know, Florida's a long state. You might be on that bus, 12 hours, 16 hours, going to different facilities, waiting for everybody to get on and off and all that nonsense. I would spit that out, pick the padlock that was on the chain, get that chain threaded through everything, take the black box off, and then pick the handcuffs and free my hands up for the trip. Because I knew my destination. And when we got to figure we were an hour

hour out or half hour out from where I needed to go, I just put all the restraints back on and lock myself back up. So I did that a couple of times. Anyway, all these shenanigans cost me four years, four and a half years in Supermax. There's Supermax in Florida, Santa Rosa. It was almost 23-7 lockdown. You know, you never really get out. Cellmates once in a while, usually solitary. And then when I got transferred to Virginia,

they were supposed to be over with the solitary. Two years enough, right? I'm non-violent offender. No, Virginia thought it was a good idea to stick me in solitary in a supermash for another two years. So I did a lot of time in solitary confinement. It was during that period I really got into the Bible. I really got into

writing my stories and trying to think, how can I turn this around to help people? I'm sick of this. I'm sick of this crap. And some guys commit suicide under those circumstances. You know, they hurt themselves. They'll throw feces at the guards. I was never like that. I was always trying to help guys get signed up for GD. I was a tutor. I was taking college courses. I was fighting for college courses for everybody, including myself. I took some courses with Washington and Lee University. They came into one of my presence. That's an Ivy League school. I got college credits from them. And I started writing my books, screenplays, and just, you know, I'm just really, what am I going to do when I get out? And I heard about guys who come out with these backgrounds, you can't hide your background anymore. Right. So I was like, you know what? Let me just do what some of these guys I've heard about are doing and start like a true crime channel,

maybe with inspirational twists where I'm talking about guys who turn their life around. And I try not to make it strictly true crime. You know, if the guys are just bragging about his past, but there's no redemption story, no, you know, I'm doing better now. But if he's still talking that way, like he's going to do things, I try not to have them on my show because a lot of guys want to be on my shows. But I want to see how you cleaned it up. Are you talking to kids? Are you writing a book? Are you thinking of writing a book? I'll help you write. Right. See, I try and do it the other way. If they're too preachy and too over it and then I try. I'm like, listen, I don't hear all that. What'd you do? What happened?

Well, here's the, here's the dilemma I find is that I, there's, okay, and I'm not going to say scriptures, but there's join sin for season, right? Okay, we all heard that expression. So, of course, what we're doing. It's really exciting at the time. Look at the consequences. My life has screwed up. Your isn't was screwed up. Oh, yeah. Emily was missing. You heard it. Like, what are you thinking? You're a smart guy. You've heard it all, right? Oh, listen, I always love the idiot to go, you know, well, do you know, do you regret it? Like, are you, of course I regret it. Or the guys that, no, because it made me the person that I am today. I'm in my 50s. Like, you're starting your life over and your 50s with nothing. The person

I am today sucks. Right. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't say it like that. I'm like, I definitely regret the things I've done. The problem I ran into early on starting my YouTube channel for your audience, please hit subscribe. Right. It's a way of still true crime. I'm trying to build my numbers up like everybody else. But one of the problems I ran across early on is like I did like two lives during the A&E show when my reality show was airing. Constantly, I was on Shaw Sank Redemption. We're going to have a commercially and see my picture. but I did a live I correspond with a lot of fans I have millions of fans and I'm like always in touch with people

try to be nice you probably know how it is I'm new to this I'm getting like catfish from all over the world you know hey handsome you know they try to sell you Bitcoin

or my phone broke and send me money right so I'm starting a channel soon where it's going to be like I just keep working the hell out of them I let them run their whole scam down and then let's get to put a show about it

because I torture these people now I have, I have some of all of them. But anyway, I just turn the tables on them. I had fans, legitimate, good fans, like, turn on me in the beginning a little, a little bit. Because I'd only watch a portion of it when I'm telling my story, my background, and they would tune out. Oh, I heard this guy turn his life around, but now he's, he's bragging about, you know, hitting the Raros House. He's bragging about these heists or fencing. And I didn't want to come across as, like, I want to, I always want to interject that I'm not bragging about my past.

I'm telling it to you to show you how far I've come to turn right that that's the reason I put it out there but some people don't listen long enough to get to that for it no people are jerks you know I listen for every you know for every 95 people there's always one or two guys that's just going to be a jerk even if you said all the right things then he would say you're only saying that because you know it's like okay well you're just a hater so I don't focus on that guy listen the network a any network has a moderation team and the legal team. They always told me if you pick up trolls or anybody threatening you over the show or any of your involvement in our show, we handle that. Don't deal with

anybody on your own. Just let us know. Ignore it, but if it gets to a certain level, let us know. So it's hard. I'm from the streets in New York. It's hard for me to ignore with somebody's talking crap. You know, I have guidance and I have the help I need to do it properly. So my girl's in two episodes. She's freaking gorgeous. She has a smile of Julia Robert. She looks like a freaking Kardashian. My girl's dropped dead gorgeous. He's in two episodes and more things coming forward, which I can't discuss. But somebody says something about her, and that guy was persistent, and I dealt with him in Messenger, what I thought was private. So in that he bates me up, and I said, listen, you freaking coward, you're hiding in your mother's basement. You know who I am,

you know what I was. I've changed my life. I said, if you don't like it, you know where to find me. You know exactly where we're filming and how to find me. I don't hide for my fans. And I saying, you're the drunk, you know, 35 years old hiding in your mother's basement. So this guy reported me, like, everywhere, Facebook, like, A&E. He called me out, and I said, I got back to him. I said, you're such a freaking coward. You bait me up. I told you about yourself.

I didn't threaten you. And he went like a little, you know, like a little bitch running around deport me. Right. But that's what they want to do. Like, that's their goal. So, you know, you can't plume into it. That's the whole, that's the perkists. They're trying to get you fucked up.

That's what my girl says. She says, they wanted to see that they got under a reality star skin and that they had some interaction with you so they could have that when they're talking, drinking much. Just interaction. It's like a little kid behaving badly.

So mommy, even if mommy's going to come over and slap them or yell at them or scream at them, just to get some reaction, just to get some attention. Yeah. They have said that for some people, negative attention is better than no,

no attention at all yeah that's and i get those guys you know and sometimes i sometimes when i i say stuff back to them just a little bit of interaction and you know a lot of times i'll do the whole i'm sorry you'd feel that way bro you know probably should check out another channel and you know um you know yeah i disagree with you but and a lot of times they'll come back and they'll say they'll be like no bro i'm sorry i didn't realize it yeah yeah you're right you're it's like they just want that interaction. I have one of these main guys on these mob shows, like a big, huge guy who's kind of blowing up, but a lot of people say he's a phony too. Not even going to say this guy's name. But another mutual friend got me on his show, and he wanted, then he told me he wants $200 going to

show. I said, listen, I'm new at this. I'm still struggling. Don't think because I have a reality. It's so wealthy, you know, because they pay much for, I can't say what they pay, but it's not a lot for somebody just coming out of prison initially anyway. I said, so, I bring you numbers because I'm well known. You're bringing me some more exposure, so it was kind of quid pro quo. He didn't see it like that. And so the guy who referred said, no, no, no, even with his fee, I told him I'd take care of it, but that's how much I want to see you succeed, Bill.

This guy called me every name in the book, but he's out there as Christian, talking about his testimony, the big cross, this, that. And I'm like, you're the kind of Christian why people went away from Christianity. Yeah. I says, because here you are, I got a big string of you threatening me through message. you're going to beat my ass. I said, well, I called front or why I grew up? You'd be known as a freaking a roid-raged clown. That's all you are as a clown to me. To me, you're a fake Christian. That's between you and God. But you're the reason that people don't want to, you know,

really look to God for things because they see hypocritical examples. Myself included, I'm not perfect. But I said, so here's a guy that everybody, thank God, somehow fell in love with me that everybody's giving me props when I thought in prison I'd have no life I'd have no woman I like I'm getting older I lost my freaking hair I lost my you know my figure you know I gained all this way so I didn't want to do the online deity I thought I lost there that was miserable you know how it is you truly I don't know who stood by you if you had your girl your wife family in my case my term they're back on me to steal my inheritance they ended up taking 800 grand for me they told my mentally old mother I was dead and that had her signed over

trust agreements took everything i've been in litigation with them still and so coming out pretty destitute when i was walking out and you got people like you know this guy's like knocking me when everybody's trying to support me and saying bill i'd love to have you on a show i don't know how much of my show you actually watched on a&E but it's streaming on a&E uh m h roommate and you know you'll see how horrible these people treated me i just they like i saw like the one they locked you out of the house where they're they're giving you a hard time about the rules and you're like well how like are you serious like what you know they were all and you know even though they were trying to be this this good Christian family they came off very odd bro yep they were odd people

they they they told their pastor their church that they were starting a mission house to help people one of the time who were getting released from treatment or prison to help them for a few months get on their feet at no charge but then you'll see on the show they're presented me like a $2,700 bill for rent and utilities and food and this and that. I was already screwed up physically from being locked down for COVID. And so they're vagans and expected me to be vegan. I had no carb. They would speed buy places.

I had my girls send me a few bucks, you know, just to get me on my feet. But I was trying to really budget that at the beginning. I couldn't go to the church of my choice. They wanted to take me to their church. They wouldn't stop even in a fast-free restaurant. I'm saying, listen, I don't want to eat vegetables all day long. I'm sure it's healthy. God bless you.

And yes, maybe I'll do that a few days a week. But I want a freaking steak. I like lasagna. I just got out of prison. Like, I need to bring me by McDonald's, you know, bring me by something. They would speed by. If I said, please pull over that Taco Bell, this restaurant, whatever it was. There's an episode.

It came out that I couldn't eat me. And you'll see the one episode where I'm hiding. I made a cold cut sandwich. I'm hiding in my bedroom. It's a beautiful house where I was staying. They have gorgeous like mini mansion from the 1800s, fully renovated. and I got a gorgeous bedroom, beautiful bathroom. I'm in there hiding on a toilet like I'm in prison, eating a freaking cold cut sandwich, wrapping it up.

I got that and a nice tea on the floor vent with the air conditions coming in, and they're filming me. I said, this is so ridiculous. I got to eat this freaking meat in the bathroom because I can't have it in the house. I'm not supposed to have it in the house. I'm not supposed to put any meat in the refrigerator. So there's an episode. It's called The Meat Police, and it's all about the denial of meat. So it explored on the internet.

Hashtag me, please, hashtag free bill. You know, fans would say, hey, Bill, go back to the prison and knock on the door, tell the warden he won't back in. I had a blast, man. But, you know, there's probably a lot of fans are asking me about a season two, and I can't officially go there. But you want a season two, contact A&E. Love my fans.

Anyway, so I'm blessed that I really feel that I need to use the platform on being given to build what I've been trying to do. I told the network, I said, I'll participate one condition. It goes in my contract. I get to talk about what I'm doing post incarceration, which is building my channel and writing books. Right. Yeah, I know. They always

those contracts, they always want, you know, oh, you can't do any social media, you can't do any platforms, you can't, is it, man, what are you nuts? Like you can only be on television if it's our show. It's like, stop. I'm not doing all that. Right. I can't, I don't feel like I can do any of the shows at the moment.

I was like, you know, full-blown. Right, but I mean, they'll try and talk me from doing podcasts. Yeah, I could do movies. I could do my own podcast. I got some movie offers right now. One of them, my friend, he's making a movie. They're putting out Mob King in Florida. That's about the release in a few days.

Actually, today they're at the Hard Rock in Hollywood doing the premiere. And then on the 26th, I think this weekend is when it actually airs. I was given a full copy of Mob King to review. I gave it five stars. Great freaking movie. Shout out the Cyril Deposio and Anthony Colle. He backed the movie and he started it. So this guy, he says Anthony Caliando was a prisoner.

Not a prisoner. He was a mobster in Chicago when he was young. His family was in the mob. Turned his life around. Now he's the big cheese, Caliando Foods. He's a very successful guy. I always wanted to be an actor. He's got the Italian looks.

And so he backed the movie and got a starring role in it. And Cyril did a lot of time in prison in Florida. He owned nightclubs in Miami. Turned his life around. Now he's making movie after movie. So these guys are releasing Mob King. You guys, you'll see a lot about Mob King coming up in the next few days. But anyway, I'm on the same path.

I talk T-0. I said, you know, I'm on your heels. You've been out a few more years ahead of me, but I've already got a screenplay. I've got an offer for a drama series. I have a reality show. You know, I'm kind of proud of those accomplishments. But I do recognize the need to use them to help people. I try to get people a voice.

J.C. Capone, a great guy in the Bronx. he's got Parkinson's what an inspirational guy if you check out his channels he's got a big cigar in his mouth and he cares about his kids and he's trying to raise awareness for Parkinson's and he and he posts funded his own illness you know but he goes I shake like this all day and you know because I'm from the Bronx and I'm Italian they think I'm doing one of these like hey so he makes fun of himself you know and so I have great guests on you know another guy's someone was murdered he's a professor in Orlando and desantis won't do a thing to see to murder a prosecutor. Instead, the guys in West Palm were running around with a gun still to this very day because DeSantis won't move on the case. So we're trying to bring it's a Sandy Modell

the murder of Ryan Modell in Fort Myers, Lee County, whatever. And it was a horrible thing. He knocked on the wrong door. This kid was with the college to develop better pacemakers and become an engineer with those because his mother died of a heart attack. So he's a really good kid. And he was moving back home. And he was moving back home to his father's house after graduating after landing a job. And one last thing that he had

in Lee County, he was living in a beautiful condo complex, had a few drinks with his friend by the pool. One o'clock in the morning, he's only in his swim trunks. The buildings are all identical in this place. He's trying to get in the wrong door because he's at the wrong building, not his place. The guy opens, he's got a gun at his hand with his wife. He says, why he's trying to get my house at one at the morning? He says, I live here, you know, we were just out by the pool. And they said, look, we know who you are. You'd live down there, you know, get away from my door. The people were irritated, right?

So, bottom line, he slammed the door on him. They cut his foot because he tried to step into place and cut his toe. So he walked away. He walked towards his building. He was hosing his toe off. They called 911, the people. He said, hey, a guy just tried to get in here. And the wife said, well, we know who he is.

He's just drunk, you know, be careful when he come here. And they told the guy, stay in the house. Don't pursue him. Stay locked in your house We're sending the police to look into this And make sure Right. Okay. End the story.

Instead, the guy waits five minutes Goes out, hunts him down at 2 o'clock in the morning, almost 2 o'clock in the morning, finds him sitting on the grass, hosing his toe off, puts the laser sight on his head from a Glock 10 millimeter. He stands up. He says, man, get that out of my thing.

And as soon as he stood up, the guy executed him, killed him. Guess what they called it in the county, standing around. how does that stand your ground? You don't have stand your ground when you pursue somebody when the incident's already over when the police told is

stay safely locked in your house will come and you can't pursue somebody and then claim standing around it has to happen while your life's in danger in your house if you kill somebody you know so we're trying to help raise awareness to this case of Sandy Modell

the murder of Ryan Modell and trying to get the sats to step in and do something about it he told Professor Modell that he was going to it but he won't do it So we're putting out stuff now to how soft on crime desantis is. He's soft on violent crime.

I know he doesn't like that. We put a video out. He's put a book out. He gives the book away free about the case. Anyway, how I met Samantha, Marco might interest you. Her attorney is also Donald Trump's attorney, Peter Tickton. He's in Delray Beach.

The lawyer you want between you and your problems. Anyway, Peter is a good friend of mine. He helped me when I was in prison who tried to get the commutation and emergency release for COVID, all this nonsense we try when we're trying to get out. And Peter's just a really good guy. He went to the military academy with Trump. I call him up all the time.

He says, you know, I'm representing Samantha Mark, you know, Megan is. And I said, yeah, but I don't follow all that loyal gossip and stuff, you know, but I notice some animosity. He says, I'm the one that's filed a lawsuit, and we're going to be naming Netflix and Oprah as well because they knew what they were putting on their shows was false. and these people Megan and Harry were executive producers on the Netflix and Oprah tried to weasel out of it and say well I pulled the show down where the stuff came out that was not true that show you can't find it's been scrubbed we have copies of it

right she told um she's Megan was saying well my sister this my sister that so then Oprah said well basically show her book is a book of lies something along those lines a tanked Samantha's book sales right the publisher stole all the royalties that they were sitting on and then they never gave them back to her and they said that she was on a watch list and the UK couldn't get into the UK or to Buckingham Palace that she was unstable Samantha was unstable Samantha lost her job over that I can't get one to this day because that's all you Google is that Samantha's on a watch list she had to hire a lawyer to go with MI5 or MI6 whatever it was get proof from them

that she's on no such watch list so because of all these lies that Megan and Harry had been putting out, they're getting sued. And Oprah, well, I'm just a journalist. I was letting my guest talk and, you know, I was just contributing. She's not off the hook because as executive producer, she has liability for what she lets go out. Right. Oprah's, it's like this close. She's named in the admitted complaint went out a few weeks ago.

And that amended complaint got like hundreds of millions of views on the internet. As Samantha was nice enough to give me the first copy of it put it out. So I beat everybody the whole planet with a new copy of that lawsuit. put it out everywhere. So it would be bus feed and this one and that with all the ones that are like paying off the clerk of court to try to get copies of things. I beat them all.

I said, let me have a copy. I'll be able to be first. I'm trying to keep blowing up. So it got me a lot of attention. And you're doing a YouTube podcast with her? We do what you're doing right now. I've interviewed her for about six hours about her life and her situation with her sister and her royal family.

Well, she loves the royal family. she just really despises what Megan and Harriet Dunter. But so she's got Mike Masters degree as in criminal justice and psychology. So what we decided to do is while the lawsuit pending has put most of the focus on her coming on as a co-host, and we talk about big cases in the media right now or cases of interest to her to me. And we discuss cases where sometimes we have, I don't have the call-in capability yet or whatever it's called, superchats working on that. right like people can comment in and we throw it up on the screen we answer the questions and

yeah um so we've been doing a couple of those yeah she she does shows all the time but she does other shows then i've started a PR firm and uh i said look you would you like to meet my first client in the PR room is he said sure she said i used to help prisoners getting out you've been nothing but good to me and you're peter's friend and she's my first official PR client so that's that's pretty cool so like if people want her on shows they can go through She finds her own, too. You know, it's not like exclusive, but I could certainly get her on shows. If you want to have her, I could talk to her for her.

I don't know what she'd talk about, though. You'd like want to hear, like, if she killed somebody, I don't think she ever has. Yeah, I'll think about that. I'll have to figure that. Think about that. Let me tell you about this fancy escape. You might get a kick out of this story. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Like, okay, so you were locked up and how did the escape out? years ago, so I worked my way, this is before I had, I was not a violent offender. I had already, in another bid, knew how to, because I was a law clerk, had to work my custody down and start working in the community. So, the escape's nothing fancy, but everything that happened boring it, it's crazy. I used to pretty much escape routinely. I would go, meet a girl, blah, da, da, da, do it, and then come back in time for count, depending if I was police or out of the road.

Everybody does that. But in Florida, if you do that, it's still. escape it still carries 15 years possible 30. In this particular instance, we actually were working on the side of the road. I told the, I got ready to do the, to walk off that morning. I had some family problems. My brother-in-law died. Nobody told me I was pissed off because he and I were close. And I was just, I had three years left on a 10-year sentence. The stupidest thing I ever did in my life, this thing. Three years on a 10-year sentence.

I know how the dogs work. So I took like Gold Bond foot powder. I took my sheep. and all my dirty clothes. I threw them in the trash in the restroom and all my stuff, my locker. I put foot powder all over it. I took all my addresses out the day before, tore them up, flush them. And I left with a sock tied inside my pants,

which like triple eye on a body going, man, a cigarette lighter, a bunch of phone numbers that I needed. Because when you go to work outside, I was working outside the gate 20 miles from the prison. They would take us every morning at like six in the morning. But they could pat you down if they wanted to And if they would have seen that stuff on me, they would have had a, you know,

I would have got locked up for an attempt to escape. But anyway, I ran late to the gate, so they're paging me, you know, report to the gate, report to the gate. I go, it's the worst officer in the planet running the gate. I'm like, oh, crap, we get a shook down for sure going up. He just says, get out of here. I'll have to shake you down. You're holding everybody up.

I don't take the book, and we left. And you know how inmates saw. They don't want to be in your business. Hey, man, you're holding us up. We try to sit around. Wait for your adult ass with it. That freak up. You know, so we drove the law, my understanding of law, if you escape from private property, it's scotting.

It's not technically escape, but if I'm on a, but they don't take you on private property. You're working on the side of the road. You're working at the beach. You're working at the police department, painting the courthouse, whatever they're doing. So in this instance, we were working down to South Florida by a bridge washout, and we were putting dirt under the bridge. And when the trucks were dumping the stuff, I told the boss, The officer's supervise, he had a call checks into the prison every 15 minutes that he saw all of us. He laid eyes on us.

So it was every two hours, but then other guys walked off all over the state. So now I get ready to go. It's every 15 minutes. I'm like, good. I only have a 15-minute window before the dogs show up and the U.S. morsels and all this crap. So I told him, I got to go to the bathroom. We pull it to a Dunkin' Donuts. He's going to get donuts.

The Florida uniforms have the white stripe down the blue uniform. They have the white stripe down the leg. Yeah. He says, I said, I can't let you use the duck and donas bathroom then. Just wait for me a second. He said, you got the stripe on your leg. When we get to the bridge, there's toilet paper in the truck, go under the bridge and go over there. I'm not taking inside the store with that uniform on.

I'm sorry, I understand. So when he left, I opened the door and stepped out. I was going to dip right there because I'm on private property. Who stops me? The freaking inmates are with. What do you do, man? Get in the truck. Get in the truck.

boss man said this and I said you ever hear a story staying out of somebody else's business I slammed the door on them you know because they were just running their mouths and I said well if I walk 10 feet from this truck they're gonna jump out and catch me for the lousy hundred dollars that they'll get from the investigator for stopping escape you know that's what they get they give like a hundred more to stop and escape and I said this is this is crazy I couldn't do it we got to the work site we're working under the bridge they're dumping another load of dirt down there surrounded by million multi-million dollar homes. It's right near the inter-coastal. And so then when they dropped the dirt, we had to shovel it under the grid and tamped it to secure the bridge. But on brakes, I think it was going over,

it might have been the India River. I forget the name of the body water. Anyway, so as we're taking the break, I said, can I go down? He says, yeah, go. I go down. The guys are hanging out under the bridge, away from the truck dumping.

And I said, hey, I want to go over there, and he's right. Oh, man, let's go. We don't get to know that. And I said, okay, you want to be my business every other time, you know? Right. I go over there, I strip out of my clothes. I wore out a pair of shorts also, brand new shorts, brand new white t-shirt.

I took all the state clothes off. I put them under my arm and I went up the other side of the bridge. And at the railing, my supervisor is looking down at the work squad and the work way down below. And I'm four lanes of traffic on the other side looking at him looking down. I'm on this back now. Right. And this is my whole chance he could have seen me if you turned around. So I hit some fences.

I ended up in some backyards and go up the block. There's a, I tried to get a ride. Nobody was stopped. I was going to say, hey, you know, I was jogging or whatever. And, you know, I got hurt. Can you please take me to a hospital? Nobody would stop. Nice area.

You know, I'm kind of sweaty. So there was a meter reader riding a bicycle. And he went between houses and I jumped on this guy's bike. And I start pedaling. I feel 100 miles an hour. And the next thing I hear, hey, hey, get back here. That's my bike. I'm like, crap.

Man, this thing's over before. kids, right? I beat him. I go a mile up the road, half a mile condominium complex. I want to get off the road before now. I'm looking for an escapee. Oh, yeah. By now they're, yeah. I'm thinking they are. They weren't. I'll tell you how I know that. So he's already calling 911. I just stole

my bike of the meter area. I get to this complex and I had taken a screwdriver from the truck before I left so I could columnize a car, start a car, up certain GM models have a tilt wheel, you can crack the column, and you can start them pretty easy. So I was looking for a certain model. I couldn't find one. And I was like, crap, man, I'd need to get out of here before they seal the area and bring the dogs to track me right here. I wasn't far from where I walked off. And he was supposed to be doing checks every 15 minutes, and he was doing them. But he was not laying eyes on us. My discovery later

showed that he didn't notice me missing for close to an hour, or like his fourth check after I was gone. The reason I know that is, the guy calls it at this time as about his bike, let's say 9 a.m. He doesn't report me missing until like 10. I don't see him anymore, but I would already be gone all this time. Right. So he wasn't really doing checks. He was going through the motions, which gave me an hour head start. The police told the guy, according to my discovery, we don't send police out for stolen bikes, come to the police department to make a report. Nice. Yeah, so they never came out. They never connected to the guy who just escaped because my supervisor wasn't calling it in this complex i got to get out of here i can't steal

a car you know i got the state blues rolled up under my arm i see these two women talking in front of one of the units and i made up a story i said hey can you tell me uh i'm sorry to bother you is this the only entrance into this complex i'm waiting for a taxi you know and we just moved in we're renovating a unit all the way in the back oh yeah this is it you know and i said well my my wife went to premature labor with our twins while she was at the orthopedic surgeon. He made up this big story and they're like, oh boy,

you know, and I said, and in the excitement, you know, me trying to get to the hospital, I locked myself out of the house and the car. The neighbor was leaving and let me call a taxi before he left. But the taxi never showed up. And I was wondering, you know, if there's another interest in this complex. We didn't miss him. And, you know, and she's

like, no, we didn't see anybody, but I just put a load of laundry in and I have some time. I could drive you up to the hospital real quick. I know where it is. So the lady, volunteered and I was right just escaped from prison so she said she'll help me I took the clothes I said when do you give me a bag for these we're renovating and they have all like sheet rock dust on them and stuff she said sure so she probably had a bag I tied the state clothes into a knot in the bag put them at my feet we jump at her car we leave we're driving around um US 1 South Florida like

Port St. Lucie area all that section so as we're driving around we go to one hospital I want to lose her and I'll just figure I'll steal a car there, right? At the hospital somewhere, there's big pocket lots everywhere. I'll grab a car and leave. I get to the hospital. She drops me off and she wants to wait for me. And I said, no, no, no, you know, I'm here. Well, go ask the information if she's here and let me know what's going on. You know, I feel safe for that way. You know, you're okay and you don't need to go somewhere else. I couldn't, well, first she took me to the orthopedic place. I went through the motions, came out, said, oh, they took her to such and such hospital. Then we got to the hospital. I came back

out and I said, they said they moved her to another hospital. That was like 11 more miles away. It's too far. I'm going to wait for a taxi here. She goes, no, you're already in the car with me. Let's go. I want to. I wasn't going to catch up with your wife. This poor lady was so nice. She was like an elder or something in her church. And I'm like, oh, my God, the guy's going to hit me with both the lightning over here. So this boy lady's driving me around. By this time, over an hour goes by. The streets are flooded with the police looking for me. Helicopters going up and down US 1

and side streets I don't have a vehicle they don't know that she's in a white vehicle the most common color car

in South Florida white right so I'm like really now the script there's cops in traffic

cops everywhere and finally after like two or three hospitals she says there seems to be a lot of cops around here

she said let me just pull one of them to the side and see if they could run your wife's name through the system

and find that where they took her oh let's not yeah I said tell you what you see that you see that

patio furnaces store right there. My uncle's the manager over there. If you just drop me off there, he'll let me use the phone and probably use his car and run around for an hour and figure this out. Okay. She said, but and then I noticed it was closed as we, she pulled into

there, but there was a bird king. So I said, I have diabetes. I've got to get something in my stomach or hypoglycemia. I forgot what I told her. I said, I'm going to just go grab something to eat real quick and then walk through the lot to there. So she pulls me up, she says, you just said you locked your wallet and everything and your everything you locked

stuff out of the house and your keys in the car and your wallet how are you going to buy anything if she's taking out a $20 bill wow I just escaped from prison this lady wants to buy my lunch I cannot tell you I felt like this big I was listening you know alliance is really wonderful human being and uh I you know I know you didn't see not coming at faith but you know I was a Christian even then you know both the lightning, all this stuff. So, she, I just, I kind of almost lost it and told her the truth, almost told her the truth. But, you know, I know better.

And I said, hey, I appreciate it. And she gave me her number and her card and everything. And I said, I get back to you. She goes, don't worry about it. But just I like to see you guys at church one time. I meet your wife and the babies and all that stuff. And I said, getting out, she says, can I pray for you in your wife before you get out of the car? And I said, sure.

We hold hands. And I said, before we pray, I got to tell you the truth. I can't go with a prayer with something that's hanging over my ass. Because what is it? I said, look, I do have an emergency, and I didn't either ride in an emergency situation, but it's not for what I told you. And you're so nice, and I'm really, sorry, I'm lied to you. But I'll get the money back to you and thank you for the ride.

I didn't want to accept it to begin with. She said, well, whatever it is, you seem like a really nice guy. I hope it turns out, okay. I go into Burger King We say a prayer I go into Burger King It's getting crowded now right So there's cameras everywhere

I got to stay closed under my arm still I look at the camera and I went like that Like my signature move for all my My celebrity shots And I go like that I went like that to the camera So I knew it was going to be on the news any damn way Because that's the last place I'm seen

As I went to the men's room real quick Washed out took all that stuff Put it in the bottom of the can And I threw a bunch of water on it so nobody can go digging in from my clothes. You know, and then I can dry it up. And I'm like, okay, I am hungry and I haven't had a burger in 18 years. But I said, I'm going to get the hell out of here because she's going to go home and send them right back here. Right.

So what happens? I decide to leave. I'm looking for a car that I could possibly steal, but I'm at the door trying to hold it. Nobody trying to go out and nobody trying to come in. Well, a guy comes in. I hold the door for him And he goes, man He says

Are you okay? You look lost I made up another immediate story I said I see that Mercedes right there I said I got myself locked out of the car I've been waiting for the damn locksmith for 45 minutes I have an appointment with my realtor You know coming up here in a few minutes

And I'm going to miss that We're looking to move to Florida I'm looking for houses And he goes I'll tell you what I'm about to have lunch If you need to make the appointment with the realtor I'll drive you down there where is it

And I always look for realtors. So I knew right where there was one, like another half mile away. And I said, well, it's that office such and such. And he goes, I know where it is. I have a condo here. And I waited for him to get his lunch. And we jumped at his vehicle. As we're driving, he says, where are you staying?

And I think it was Best Western. I said, I'm staying at the Best Western, you know. My wife's going to be flying down soon. And we're looking for a house, you know, three to four million dollar range on the water. And he's like, well, he said, I'm an associate pastor at my church. And I'm like, oh, man, here we go. So the guy was so nice, and he says, look, you don't have to stay there at the hotel. I have a condo and two extra bedrooms in it.

You can stay with me for a couple of days until you can straighten things out. I'll drive you around until you get back in your car and everything. And I said, look, because I'm really suspicious of everybody. And I said, look, don't take offense at this, but I'm not buying. I'm not curious. There's nothing weird like that going on. It's serious. He said, no.

I'm gay. Yeah. So I ended up going to this house for the man for his lunch. Meanwhile, let's go back to her. She gets to her place, right? I used a tracking dog to go from a place they escaped. Already the marshals, the sheriffs, the police, corrections officials, they're calling and all they're off through the employees. They locked down the work camp and the main prison is complete locked out because I'm missing. And they track to there. And as they're talking to her neighbors and showing my wanted poster all around,

every few hours after now she pulls in do to do do to do as she's pulled the one lady she was with was questioned oh my god he just drove off with my friend he said his wife was in the hospital so they kind of at the end knew what car

they were looking for so before she even got the final turn and they kind of pull her out at gunpoint you know imagine these guys with probably shotguns and NP5's point to matter she's like what's going on what's going on I heard she almost had a nervous breakdown God bless her. I'm so sorry.

But, so they pull her out. You know, where is he? I didn't know. I didn't know. He lied to me to get an eye. I don't like God. You know, she said, he's at the Burger King. So that became their next point.

But when I was getting in this guy's pickup truck, there was about five chicks in, like, bikinis in like an open Jeep, like with a top now, like just like hanging out. And I was like, you know, this little flirtations. I haven't seen a woman that clothes in 18 freaking years. So, of course, I said a load of them. So when they questioned everybody at the Burger King, they said, yeah, he was here. He was out the door for a minute. He stepped out.

They had the image. He got into a blue convertible Jeep with a bunch of women. Oh, nice. I got into this guy's pickup that was next to it. But the women had everybody's attention in the restaurant. They're looking at all these hot chicks. Right. Yeah.

So that kind of gave me another few minutes of head start, right? They were looking for the wrong vehicle. And they started pulling over, like, all the blue jeeps in three. counties. I go to his house. He's got a hat there. I says, hey, I've been getting burns since I'm in South Florida. Can I wear that hat? Happens to be a Yankee hat. I like the Yankees. Sure, I wear that. I put it on. He's going out. There's a neighbor coming home. He's in a walk-up condo, nice place. And I see the neighbor. I don't want her to see my face because I know it's going to be all over the news, South Florida. Right. So I act like I have

trouble getting the seatbelt ball and he comes back to the car she's right so no your seatbelt stuck but really i was watching for her to go to her unit and leave them not not lay eyes on me soon as she left i said oh i got it and i follow him up we go in not nobody's laid eyes on me except for the burger king get to his place i actually just chilled out there we talked he had a google barbecue that night he gave me a key i had the hat and i and i said hey is you know i like to watch some news and just check out the local community see what's going on around here and I'll chill out with you to come back he said well it's a barbecue of my church and they don't really know you so it's a little awkward bringing somebody but you know you welcome to chill out here until

I get on okay while I'm there he calls tries to call two or three times in this conversation on his voice he's at a regular old school answering machine he's saying bill this is James he said are you still there what he said are you said are you You're still there. He had no reason to phrase it like that. I said, he knows something. He knows something. You saw a news, and I'm watching the lead up to the news, the lead up to the news, breaking

at five, breaking at six, you know, escape or, you know, master burglar. The South Florida's on, lose my picture everywhere on the promos. And I'm like, oh, crap. So I'm waiting for the news, and he keeps calling. I don't pick up the phone because I don't want to deal with it. I'm just trying to plot my next move. Finally, I took one of the calls, and I say, Jay's, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, I was just in the bathroom or whatever.

And he says, hey, the lady that knows the house wants to talk to, she gets on, hey, Bill, I heard you from Chicago. How long you'd been around, you know? What I didn't know is she had seen some of the promos and heard about the escape because all the school got locked down. Right. Yeah, so the whole community knew, and I was just hiding out, I didn't know everything yet until the news aired.

So she knew, and she knew it was. a guy named Bill who was last seen at the Burger King Not good What is he told him At the barbecue He picked up a guy

named Bill at the Burry King So she's like giving me The third degree Oh, you okay You know So how did you guys meet I said Oh this stuff

And the other thing I just made up A series of stories Oh I said I'm looking forward To meeting everybody at church Sunday You know Certainly go

We're buying a house And she said On the discovery later She said Something just wasn't right It's the exact same name First name exact same time of day

exact same burger gang this has to be the escapee and James just isn't aware of who he invited it to his house right she went through her next door neighbor who was a sergeant with the sheriff's office and ran it by and he said

it's definitely him like she went overnight like she said I couldn't even sleep I was some concern that this was an escapee so she does this in the morning and next thing you know he had come home that night with a lot of suspicion the news was

coming on. He wanted to watch it with me. And I'm like, okay, I said, oh, you know, it's okay, but I really want to watch this show on History Channel. I'm trying to come here at his TV so he doesn't watch it. And then I said, hey, do me a favor. I've been dying for a cup of coffee. You have a, you know, fancy coffee pot in there. It's a million, I got, I deliberately took it apart with the pieces all over the counter. And I said, I don't know how to make it. I'm just dying for a cup. Can you come in here and do it for me? And I waited for like 30 seconds before 5 o'clock. Sure, Bill. They went there to do it.

I muted my episode, and it was like me on every station. And he missed it because he was effing around making my cup of coffee. But when I stepped out, he evidently grabbed his key back because I had it sitting in the hat on the couch. Right. Yeah. So I came back. The keys gone. I'm like, oh, he knows.

So I said, hey, James, I said, I have set my key down in the Yankee cap here. Did you take it back? If you want me to leave, I'll go right now. know if there's a oh god i don't know where it is so i my question is if he was that concerned why didn't he call the police um he didn't want to believe it that he made that kind of mistake and then was that you know call it call it whatever i just he just didn't want to believe it and i was i'm over the top nice to people you know especially when i'm trying to do something like that um so he did you then he did why did you stay why when he

He was gone. Why didn't you pack up a bunch of his clothes that fit you and grab anything valuable and head off? I was a law clerk and I did the legal math. Three years out of prison or while you're on escape from prison in Florida, a burglary. Within that period is a mandatory 30 years in prison. If you're, yeah, if you're within three years of release, it's like it's a penis fender fender send or sentencing act or some bullshit. I knew if I did steal from him, it might fall under that. So I can't take any of the. from here, but at that time I wasn't beyond maybe doing something, you know, somewhere else would nobody know who I was. But in this case, they would figure out who I was. So there was like a gigantic bottle of, like, coins and this and that.

I was like, I'm not doing it. I don't care if there's a few grand than there. I just was doing the legal math. It just wasn't worth it. That being said, he did the dope feed move and proceeded to help me search for the key that he probably had in his pocket. So he's in the kitchen, pull the refrigerator out. I said, what are you doing, man?

And the thing's not under the refrigerator. I'm going to leave. You're obviously uncomfortable having second thoughts. No, no, it's fine. You know, I'm going to bed. You know, so I said, well, you know, the last month called me. They'll meet me in the morning.

He said, you want to change the clothes? I got a whole closet of new clothes in the guest bedroom, take whatever you want. I did. I made a duffel bag with a few clothes, brand new pair of tennis shoes. And I said, hey, I appreciate it, you know, whatever. I just, I was found. out, but he was too paranoid to say anything about it, I guess. While he was out, he got

a call. And that call, he was doing chef work somewhere, and he had a last gaping business as well. And he had a call to change the location of one of his jobs. And I never gave him the message. No, no, let me back up. I gave him the message. But nobody knew where he was going that morning but me. So when he left in the morning, he says, hey, you might want to know what's on in the news, right? I said, maybe just the real estate or business sections or newspaper. And he said, yeah, I'm writing the entrance up the complex as machines. Just walk up there and get one. And, you know, he says, there's nothing else you think you'd want to read this one. I said, not. I don't know much about, you know, the area yet. So just diagonal acting like I have

no interest in the news at this point. So he leaves to where I sent him to. Nobody knew he was there. I go downstairs. I had a cap on, glasses, different clothes on. And I go. And I I got not far from his building, it's a winding entrance to the place where these machines are on the sidewalk, and I look up at as high as I can see there's a helicopter already. I mean, it was just hovering over his complex, and I said, holy crap, I'm screwed. So now I need to hurry up and get back to his place, grab that bag, and leave. Do I have time? Right when I'm thinking about it, there was a caravan of police cars, undercover cars,

marshals, whatever other agencies they're sending, about 20 vehicles. was flooding into the complex. So I broke into like a power walk, right? So I'm on a windy road with the speed bumps, right? Doing my power walk. They passed me again within the foot of me. And I just waved to them like a concern, you know, neighbor, you know, they just like kept my power walk.

And as I look in their cars, they have clipboards and like my pictures on their board. And I'm like, holy crap, that's my DOC picture with blue background and everything. They surround the wrong building. the helicopter drops down they start deploying they bring out the dogs and everything and I'm like okay they're around the wrong building good for me and I snuck back around and I went up the stairs and they let myself in to grab that bag and as soon as I did I heard there was a like a manager on a golf court came up to them and she was pointing at the correct building she got wind of what was going on like no not this one it's that ability and so they immediately were jumping back

in your vehicles and rushing over. Now I'm trapped. They surrounded me. My dumb ass went back into the correct building. Right. Oh my God, I'm dead. And the law is they can shoot and kill an escape prisoner. If they want to, then they can get away with shooting you if you're a state

sentence or probably federal sentence prisoner. I'm allowed to kill you. So I was like, man, I'm about to get myself murdered in the house by the cops and they'll say I did something. So, but I was also doing the math as a law clerk. I said, wait a minute. they don't have him with them they uh they don't have probably don't have keys

no permission to come in the manager can't give it they don't have what's called exigent circumstances which means a high speed pursued where a violent fellow went into a building and they can go in solely for that purpose without a warrant and they don't have it time to go get a warrant so the three grounds they can come in on me they had none of them they're up the stairs whoa whoa whoa whoa hey mr such and such we need to speak to you about your new house

guest, they're screaming. U.S. Marshalls, all this crap. I was in the hallway behind a planter with some flowers just standing up against the wall, hoping they weren't like looking through the people reverse, and trying not to put any shadows out or movement in the building. I was in the hallway, just frozen up, and they stayed out there a good 20 minutes. Knocking, knocking, trying to figure out what they were going to do.

I eventually hear them going downstairs, and I'm like, okay, now they're down there hiding in the parking lot, surrounding the building. They're going to be around the edge When they see me come down They're going to pull out on me And I'm dead Or they're going to arrest me, whatever I just said

You know what? I can't stay here forever He's eventually going to come home And let them in All of a sudden The vehicles are backing out And they're leaving They put the dogs in

They took some of their gear off And they're all leaving the complex I'm like, come on You guys, you're faking a move You know you're still out of hiding I'm thinking Right And literally waited a few more minutes

I said, F it I just opened the door I have one hand in front of my face, one in front of my heart. And I said, I surrender. I surrender. I surrender. I'm coming out. Please don't shoot. Don't shoot.

I figured at least if they shot me, they'd be in trouble because the powder burns and the bullet holes will be on the... Right. Outstretched hands. Don't shoot. And I'm like this. I get out. There's no one there. I drop my hands.

I go down one landing. Every time I got to the bottom of the two or three landings, I would put my hands back up. You know, please, don't shoot. Don't shoot. I give up. I give up. Nobody there. now you get to the bottom you know you got to come past that edge of the building and all the cars are parked right there and i'm figuring that's really going to get me right that's the scariest part so i'm like this and i'm like don't shoot don't shoot there there's nobody there's nobody behind the bushes the cars the edge of the building i'm like no freaking way did these people leave me here like this i'm like here they're pretty good for his chance i'm here man i took off i started ran across us one i went to an

other complex. Mexican guy, a roofer, he's taking stuff off his truck. I said, hey, do me a favor. I lock myself out of my car in my apartment over there. Please, I'm going to keep it straight with you, man. I'm on parole. Today's my last day to report. If I don't get to my PO, I'm violated. It's my last day. Can you please drive me to the parole office? He goes, oh, my man, I know how it is. My brother's on parole. Give me a minute. And he took a few more minutes doing what he was doing. He literally drove me like two more miles outside of that. search area to where I knew where the parole office was. I said, hey, I still got another hour to get in there.

I said, this brought me off of the Denny's right in front of the and he left me at the Denny's. I'm not going to walk into a parole office mom. They're all looking for me. Right. But I happen to know where it was because I was actually supervised out of that office before. And so it went like that.

Anyway, I went on a run. I was gone. I went to Palm Beach. I looked up Maxwell and that to try to get some help and get some cash. I ended up trapped there with her for several hours for actually probably just over a day and then I ended up in Daytona Beach and in the Toronto Beach there was an interesting series of events

I was spotted in Daytona Beach and I've never been to Daytona and if you know if you get to the boardwalk over there there's like there's a boardwalk when there's vehicles on the sand I think police vehicles at that time until you're right there's a pier and a bunch of amusement park and everything. And I never saw the slingshot thing and all that. I've been in the prison forever.

I'm like, wow, some pretty cool rides, you know. But there's cops everywhere on the sand, on the boardwalk behind me. I'm like, the state's most wanted person at the time. I'm like, oh, my, why don't they come up to the, it's in the boardwalk in the corner of all places. You know, so I'm like wanting to get back off there. But somebody spotted me and they were checking an area for me. It's a really lost story. I'm going to go with the whole thing. but I ended up in an empty lot crawled up against the fence that was overgrown with like

you know they got the Bougain Villa plants in Florida if they scratch you get pretty bad infections yeah they got the thorns out of so it was all Bogan Via and Palfrons I crawled in by the fence and I'm laying there they got helicopters off they seal the area off

over the fence the next door neighbor is being confronted by the police put that shotgun away he goes well if that mother effort comes over my fence I'm gonna shoot his ass you know well we don't want to have any miles please put the gun away go in your house I have a right you know he's like arguing he was hope when I jump up his fence I'm hiding right I'm hiding in this like gully along this rusty fence right I had shorts on my ladies

getting eaten up by red ants and boven via I took palm frowns I put them over my body in case they do a thermal scam with helicopters or something so I'm laying nightfall comes I'm laying there 10 hours nightfall I'm thinking I'm going to get up okay it starts raining but I have palm trees all over me and I'm covered with palm fronds I'm not getting wet at all you know how it rains in Florida yeah I'm poor there's nothing coming on me it's just a little drip here and there all of a sudden I forgot I was living in a gully I was laying in a gully you know like a little thing I got an animal trail probably like a freaking torrent of a stream of water came right under me

all of a sudden I got like water covered like between my legs up over my test you know It's flowing into this gully and laying in So even though the rain wasn't getting it happened to be low and laying in low spot So I stayed there for like a whole other day I stuck out of there I went to a laundry room stole some clean dry clothes like a sweatsuit or something out of a dryer Put that on put the hood on and walked out of that neighborhood And that's how I got away from that

So I had two close calls to want the Nacondo The other one in Daytona to fast forward a few days later I can't get into a lot of things you know if I told you I have to kill you but let's just say I'm at the mall right now

the detainal you have a what the mall? It's called the Volusia Mall it's on International Speedway Boulevard you've been to the track around there anywhere no get off 95 International Speedway is the track

and across the street from it the Volusia Mall and behind the tracks the international airport. Okay. So I'm at the mall. I'm looking to make some money, right? I see this jewelry kiosk in the middle of the mall. I don't have lockpicks. I've been out of, I just escaped from prison.

I'm out probably two weeks, right? Surviving, right? So I'm going to hit the jewelry kiosk because I noticed the day before they would throw the jewelry up and there from down below. They took the black things off, and they put the jewelry, and they would go to like a Starbucks or Barneys or whatever the hell the coffee place was, the two girls that worked there. So I knew I had a window of about 15 minutes from the time they restocked their shelves

to quickly open each display and walk out with about two, 300 grand worth of jewelry. Right. So the one day, I wasn't really prepared that I heard them talking again about meeting at the coffee place as I was walking by, you know, listening. I went, there was a series right there. I'm just going to get a little pry bar, and I know the case is if you open two at a time, the alarm goes off, but you open one other time, take everything and close it, you can get in each one without a alarm off.

So I kind of know how they were wired up. I didn't have a pick, but it's just bullshit showcase locks. I want to get a pro bar in a long black bag. So I have the bag. The lady sends me, I said, hey, do you have a small cast bar, a little pry bar? She sends me to the wrong aisle. I'm in a major hurry. So I asked another sale person, I said, look, ladies sit me to the wrong aisle.

Where's your small, six or eight inch pry bars? Oh, those are in aisle four. Okay, I get it. I go to the register. There's people at the register. I'm like, crap. I should have thrown, it was like $14. I should have thrown a $20 bill on the counter and walked out with it.

Instead, I pretended that, you know, I was done shopping and walked through an aisle, and I put it in my pocket and walked out with it. So now I'm beatlining right direction. directly to that kiosk because you just reach over, you push the button, you let yourself fit. I drop behind the counter and I stop prying the cases open. Right. As I'm just about to put my hand on it and walk in, security guy, playing clothes from rushing

out, grabs my shoulder. I'm like three steps from going inside that jewelry chaos. They said, sir, can you step back in the Sears with me? Oh, I'm like, how can they help you? He goes, you put a tool in your pocket you didn't pay for. You walk past the past the point to purchase. I said, I'm in a hurry. I'm illegally parked.

I bought a house. We're renovating it, you know, my spiel. And I said, I'll give you the $20 right now. He says, you can still pay for it and have it, but you're going to be given a trespass warning not to come back in the store anymore. We're not going to involve the cops. I'm like, okay. So now there's two of them. They take me in.

We're in their office. I'm not handcuffed. They said, we're just going to issue a warning. They fill out all the paperwork. You know, I can't come back to that series for a year, whatever in the warning. for. They said, now we need an ID. The batch what you told us. And I says, well, I'm staying across the street at the Hampton Inn. Everything's in the room. Oh, no, we can't give you a trust force warning if you don't have an ID on you. We have to evolve the police if you don't

have the ID. So bottom line, I couldn't talk my way out of it. The police comes. He shows up. He said, I can't believe they called me for this crap. He believes my story. He says, I'm just going to run your name real quick. Everything checks out. I'm going to let you go anywhere. They give you the trespass warrant. So he runs the quick alias. I gave him. It all checks out. He's about to release me.

He said, but I got to run up by my sergeant. Calls this sergeant. Sargent says, no way. You don't have ID, you know, you're required to book him in under a John Doe and let the fingerprints tell us who he is. Oh, God. Oh, crap. So he's apologizing that he even has to arrest me for this.

He doesn't realize I'm being hunted there as it is. Tafts me up, brings me to jail. They booked me in the misdemeanor. tank with the homeless guys and the drunks you know and so I'm in the booking area they bring me out for the scan and then you know the fingerprints with the red thing it lasers and all that crap for every time they roll my print I'm like pulling in I'm not trying to give them a clean image right and the guy's like are you nervous I said yeah I've never been arrested before you know so I said never been arrested before he goes it's not going to let us proceed

until you get a clean roll on each finger I'm like oh okay So he does it. I go back to the cell and I'm like, it's going to hit immediately and I'm going to be taken to the hole somewhere, you know? Yeah. So this guy was talking about how he's about to be released and he fell asleep and he had his release paperwork in his pocket. So I figure I'll escape from the jail now, right? So I'm going to take this homeless guy's paperwork and try to walk out what they call his name, you know, and look at the paper. I get the paperwork.

Nobody says a word about it. Next thing you know, they open the door. it's a little lady in civilian clothes from the Volusia County Sheriff and a whole big like first of all they cleared out the whole entire booking there and they told everybody the locked out even the trustees the lady comes over she's got the guys with the shields like the swat team for the jail or whatever the sheriff's office standing with her she says I'm the atheist technician for the Volusia Sheriffs I have to personally redo your prints as no problem take me out I'm surrounded by all these big guys with the electric shields and all their

bullshit and the taser ready you know she redos them they put me back in the same cell they stay there a few minutes later she's gone they come back they call me by my real name and tell me to step out and i just ignore them i dropped the papers i just ignored them they look at me he said you know who you are get up off that scene and we're going to pull you out they took me stripped me out put me in a red jumpsuit right straight to the hole in the jail and so i I couldn't escape from the Volusia County Jail because it got disrupted by the old fingerprint machine. But that's what happened. And the rest of history, I did all this time, wrote some books, took some college courses, I have a TV show.

And now I tell my stories to try to help people and tell them, don't follow my footsteps. I even have on my true crime channel a section called The Misadventures of a Super Thief, five-minute clips when I tell a story about all the times I could have been caught or killed. Right. And don't follow them like footsteps, you know, but that's it. That's kind of the long story of how I, you know, escaped and got caught. It was no fancy escape, but because of who I am, they made it big deal about it. No, I think it was pretty good. It would have been great if you'd walked out with that guy's paperwork and they let you go.

That would have been hilarious. Then they realized they had you in the tank and go in there and go, where is he? Oh, he's gone. If that one sergeant didn't say no, book him in under John, though and let's see what happens. He said something like he could be a probation or a parole violator or either a alien alien alien from Canada and we just need to book him as a Bondo. He said it right over the radio.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's hilarious. What's the channel? What's the channel? My YouTube channel, William Steele, True Crime, please subscribe. I know you have a nice fan base and I'll send my family your way, send him my way.

I'm going to play books trying to earn an honest living William Steele author or YouTube William Steele book about Glenn Maxwell Barbara Thirst I have two more books coming out I can't tell you what's going on with inmate to roommate but stay tuned it's looking good oh I started the second TV show called Steel the Spotlight

TV and radio and that's on a local Midwest cable channel and I tell inspirational stories if guys got out of prison I have an inspirational story they want to come on I've had several people who got out are doing good things, helping people, numerous celebrities, Donald Trump's lawyer has been on the show. So people doing good things, you're more than welcome to come on that. You know, it's an invitation for that and for my true crime stuff. Yeah, definitely. What I'm going to do is I'm going to have Colby will put your

your links in the description box. You know, I certainly appreciate it. I'll make sure you have those. If you don't have them already, we'll get them to you today. Just sent you about 10 images today. I don't know how many you want to put up, but some of them are real interesting. One has to steal a spotlight. A couple of, like, you know, pointing upstairs, you know, thank God, and other ones are on location. I think with some images we sent you, maybe from anmate to roommate, the trailers, if you want to throw a trailer in here, I think you're allowed to use the trailers, aren't you? I mean, I don't know. It depends on if they copy wrote them or not. If they put, if they

put them on YouTube, then they probably hit like the copyright so that nobody can use it so I get with a copyright but I what I can do is I can definitely put the link to it okay yeah the one that people love the most car one you'll see when I go for that test drive right people die roll die they roll over and die laughing when they see they have to watch the show after seeing that that's really they're all funny but that one there's like I get the best reaction from it the network it's my case when we alter clips like I took a few clips, like my book, Sharna, the lady I was living with, said, first of all, she wanted to be with me, and she was trying to break me up with Mary. And so she had said on the show,

he sent me the book, and as soon as profoundly, I threw it out. And then in my first book signing, an author's first book signing is a big deal, especially somebody with a background like mine, who I don't know not supposed to them out to anything. God forbid you should do something positive with your life. So I was really proud of having a book signing. She came to and told people not to buy the book. This is the lady in living with. Yeah. So this all played out on TV. So guess what? The fans flipped out all across

the one site, I forget the name of it, Reddit, and all these other sites that were having. Right. And I'm like, everybody, let's organize. All buy Bill's book. The hell with Sharra. Well, guess what? She lied on national television because if you look at the Amazon review, she wrote under Aloha

Nurse. Book is no good. Profanity. You know, I threw it out. it's verified purchase. I never mailed to that book. She was my friend when I was writing it. She knew it was coming out. And she said,

by buying it. But on the show, she says, he sent me that book. I didn't know what happened. I mean, shit. Well, you can tell she's got, they've got some problems across the board. I mean, there's no,

you know, there's no ifs and butt. They have no sense of humor. They're, they're super uptight. I appreciate it. I'm going to put all your links in the description box. and uh everybody check out uh check out bill's channel hey i appreciate you guys watching do me a favor

and hit the subscribe button uh if you like the video and hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this also do me a favor leave me a comment and share the video to as many people as you can that really does help me and i appreciate you guys watching thank you see you