Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Master Thief’s Wild Journey: Prison Escape, Epstein, and Reality TV Fame

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

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I was killing it. I was making millions of dollars. The average lick, I would say 50 grand, at least in jewelry or more per day. And I didn't go out every day. Sometimes I'd only go out once a month. I run to the bedroom. I clear out his jewelry box. I grab a bag that's sitting by the side, put it over my shoulder. I jump back on the bike. I'm gone. I'm in Nick Nabarro's house probably two minutes, if that. Because I also didn't know if that relay set off the alarm and maybe, you know, should have picked the phone up and get to see. I get to the house, spread it out on the bed. Run-of-the-mill jewelry, nothing's exceptional. There's some cufflings from the DEA. It used to be a DEA agent. There's a letter with a presidential seal, a little card that had the

presidential seal in the United States. I opened it up, I said, Dear Sheriff Nick Navarro, thank you for your assistance on the South Florida Drug Task Force, sincerely, President Ronald Reagan. I said, holy crap, this guy's got a letter from the president. This guy was talking about how he's about to be released, and he fell asleep, and he had his release paperwork in his pocket. So I figure I'll skate from the down now, right? So I'm going to take this homeless guy's paperwork and try to walk out what they call his name, you know, and look at the paper. I get the paperwork, nobody says a word about it. They look in their cars.

They have clipboards and, like, my pictures on their board. And I'm like, holy crap, that's my DOC picture with blue diaper and everything. They surround the wrong building. The helicopter drops down. They start deploying. They bring out the dogs and everything. and I'm like, okay, they're around the wrong building, good for me. And I snuck back around and I went up the stairs and I let myself in to grab that bag.

And as soon as I did, Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with William Steele. And he was recently released from prison. He was on the A&E TV show, Inmate to Roommate. He's got an interesting true crime story and we're going to get into it. So how long have you been out? Just over a year and a half. And A&E, inmate to roommate, one of the highest radio reality shows in the country that was advertised during Shawshank Redemption.

I would see my picture. Every time they went to a commercial, they would say, you know, coming soon, you know, inmate to roommate, you know, the A&E special. And it blew up. It blew up on the ratings. The only reality show higher than mine was Jersey Shore vacation while it was airing. And, you know, 11 million, 11.7 million views on TikTok. And I don't even know how to measure all the other metrics, but I do know I looked at the ratings. And if you eliminated sports coverage and hurricane coverage in Florida at the time it was airing,

it was the number two reality show in the country. And it was like the fifth or six most popular show of the country. Okay. Well, let's start. Let's go back to the beginning. Like, I mean, you know, obviously you went to prison. What, where were you born? Like, how did this whole thing, how did this get started?

I mean, your mom met your dad. Obviously, we know what happened there. And then you were born. and you have a, you were, and do you have brothers, sisters? Where were you born? So, you know, my name is Bill and, you know, I served X amount of time in prison, you know, probably close to 20 years. But how it began was, you know, I was born in Brooklyn, New York.

And middle class family, two sisters, two older sisters, mother, father, father was a hardworking guy, nine to five type guy, a great guy. My mom was mentally ill. So I'm part Sicilian. And I'm part English. So I have a unique way of expressing myself. You know, I have the Brooklyn, the New York sarcasm, and the Uber, and I have the Sicilian ways where I can get a little loud at times when I'm trying to express myself. But so because of my mother's mental illness, all my life, I've, you know, even when I was a little child, visited her mental hospital, psychiatric hospitals. She was committed sometimes for years at a time. And it was very heartbreaking growing up in that situation. I was very protective of my mother. You know, You would have, I got along great with everybody in neighborhood, but, you know, my mother was picked on, and mostly the neighbors loved her. They knew my grandfather, Santo, from Sicily, and we lived not far from where Carlo Gambino had a house.

So I knew him when I was a little kid. He used to pat me on the head when I was going off to Catholic school. You know, hey, Bella, hey, Ben, more, you know, stand in trouble when you grow up, you know, Carlo Gambino talking to me. You know, I didn't know who he was at the time. But so having to defend my mother from bullies and stuff in the neighborhood, it wouldn't be horrible things. It's horrible enough. People throw snowballs at her, teasing her, taunting her. She had a police whistle, and she roamed the neighborhood, blowing it at the neighbors and telling the women in the neighborhood to stop looking at her husband.

And we had a beautiful golden Labrador retriever, and he would just go barking and everybody, escort her no matter where she went. And she's a fixture in the neighborhood. Well, I spent, you know, my whole life. And today, you know, even being a victim advocate, I have always been in defense of women, children, and the mentally ill, especially the mentally ill. I don't appreciate people that try to bully other people around. And so that being said, it's kind of why I do what I do today. But staying back on that track when I was young, my mother was obsessed with Jimmy Carter and with Prince Philip. And so she would invite them when I was a little kid, 10, 12, 13 years.

old she would invite them to my birthday parties in the house in Brooklyn and you know jimmy i love you my son williams birthday party and we would get these nice letters back sorry but president carter has something to do that day you know you know thank you for the invitation on white house stationery you know it's pretty right and there's some from buckingham palace you know when she would write prince philip inviting him to my birthday party so my mother was mentally ill but in a good way Well, everybody loved my mother. She was wonderful. Anyway, so one day, I'm sorry.

When you say, you mean like she had schizophrenia? Schizophrenia and some other conditions. It was brought on by a drug allegedly, I guess I don't want to get sued, a drug called Dexdream, which was a weight reduction drug that she took after my birth in the early 60s. That people abused and it fried her mind. And so she was in an psychiatric hospitals as a result of that. So one time I get home from school, I have the Secret Service and the police at my house. And, you know, I'm 13 years old, you know, and have all these police there. And they take me downtown, which was in Manhattan.

They drove me to Manhattan. My father had an office in the World Trade Center. Their office, the Secret Service office, was also in one of the towers. I forget which one, the original World Trade Center. I go in there, they have a picture in an envelope. They pull it out. it's a blowup of me pointing a BB gun at the camera. They say, you know anything about this picture?

Because they wouldn't tell me why they were taking me in. In those years, they didn't tell you anything. Plus, I was a minor. And I said, yes, that was a polaroid. And lest I ever laid eyes on it. It was in the top draw of my dresser in the house. They said, well, why would your mother be sending this to President Carter, pointing a gun at the camera?

And then on other pictures and paperwork, she had written. And until we see you next time again, Jimmy, you know, this is my son, William, 100 pounds of Doritos and water, love Eleanor. I said, well, my mother loves Jimmy Carter. He's always invited to my birthday party. She doesn't pose a threat, and that's a broken BB gumby and my friend were playing around in the backyard, you know, taking pictures of each other. I didn't even know she took the picture. She probably didn't even notice the picture. Right.

So they had to call her psychiatrist and my father. find out where she was. She was roaming with a neighborhood with her whistle blowing it at the neighbors. You know, so they found her. And the whole time, she's arguing with them, you know, what is your function here? What is your function here? She's screaming at the Secret Service guys. Anyway, that all blew over since this is my childhood. So later in life, you know, I was going to college. I went to a community college. And then I got involved with real estate, working with Century 21 real estate. I became a very, very good salesman in marketing. No matter what I touched, I always succeeded and I was always very tenacious salesperson.

I always treated people in sales how I wanted to be treated. And I write right off the rip as soon as I got to real estate, I was selling a crazy amount of houses. I was getting crazy amount of listings. And the broker was very happy with me. Around this same period, I started taking locksmithing classes. I saw things advertised for New York School of Locksmithing Safe and Allones. On what classes?

Locksmithing Safe Sanelowals here. It was the New York School of Locksmithing. It was on 40 seconds. Street. So I started attending there because I figured, well, I want to use, get some skills and do things for the greater good. I was thinking like, I'll go to the CIA. I'll become an FBI agent. Back in those years, you know, when I was a young teen, I was even one of the original people in the Guardian Angels. I knew Curtis Slewa really well. And so I was active and was really trying to do the right thing. I hated bullies. I hate people that would pick on the week. I just despise it. But anyway, what happened was I attended to school. I did very, very, very. Well, graduated top of my class, able to open safes, vaults, install alarms, install things, change combinations, pick locks, like, very proficiently. And I started a security company. And so in the middle of all this, you know, I'm getting in and out of real estate. A friend of mine, very good.

I feel like this is going to go bad. Yeah. You know, you get those kind of skills and grow up the way I did and then go off the rails for quite a few years. Yeah, so what happened was my best friend at the time was from a very affluent Jewish family, and he was working in the garment industry, and then I got him started in real estate. It's named Sammy. God bless Sammy. But anyway, he wanted to go to a nightclub.

I was never into drinking, getting high, or anything like that. You know, he was going to a nightclub. He said, hey, he had so many car racks, and he said, would you drive me? And I turned him down. You know, I was working in the real estate office. I was training a young lady, and I wanted to spend time with her after work. So I broke my plans with him at the last moment. And something told me he walked out of the real estate office.

I was there working late like 10 o'clock at night in Brooklyn. And when he drove away and made his left turn, I just got goosebumps. Like, wow, I'm never going to see this guy again. There's such a weird, something, a spiritual thing. It was so, so weird. And I just felt really shaking up all of a sudden. And I was like, anyway, the next morning I'm back. in the office and I get a call at my desk from his grandfather. His grandfather says,

Billy, can you please tell me where Sammy's new apartment is? I said, I need to send the maid over there to clean up a few things. I said, he's doing great. I was just over there yesterday morning. He's, he's on top of it. You know, it doesn't really need any work, but here's new dress. And he started crying. And he said, you know what that F did last night? I said, no, he lied. No, what the hell? What's going on? He said, he got himself killed in a car accident. and it's not easy talking about it because I was very guilt-stricken because I was supposed to be his driver that, you know, and I knew he was a notoriously bad driver, so to this day it really tears me up. I have trouble dealing with his still, but so there was a lot of guilt.

Was he drinking? Was it, did he get drunk? Was it just, you don't know? No, he drank, I think, lightly, but he didn't get high or anything. He was just a notoriously poor driver. Coming back from the club, evidently, he was speeding. I guess it was the Bell Parkway near Kennedy Airport. And probably he gets irritated to people in traffic. Maybe he was speeding. He spun out and hit overpass backwards, and something went through the center of his head and killed him. I don't know how that could even happen, but the police that patrol the area, they came across his body behind the wheel of the car. There was no witnesses. Nobody came forward to seems to say what happened. But that's how he was found with his car.

racked around, you know, an overpass. But so I went to see the car, which that was further traumatizing, you know, at the tow truck place because it was his blood all over with his body outline on the seat. So seeing your best friend's body outline, you know, his blood, you know, and when I'm feeling like I was supposed to have driven him, and I'm a very good driver, you know, we did a lot of, a lot of things with driving, including sealing cars, chop shops and all that stuff later on. But so what happened was I looked up some friends of mine and who knew him as well. I took the rest of the day off, I couldn't even go to the funeral because he was Jewish and they had already buried him.

By the time I got the call, he was already in the ground. So now I came to pay my respects to my friend. I go to his house, his family's sitting Shiva, which is a Jewish tradition where the family comes together, you know, in the house. And I paid my respects, and I went and looked up some friends, and these friends were already not doing much with their lives. Like, I asked me buddies, they were not doing much, and they were using coke. They were snorting it, smoking it. And I was real depressed and feeling responsible for Sammy's death. And they offered me some cocaine, and it will help you, man, to get you out of that.

This is the 80s now. Everybody's doing coke. There's no real stigma in this particular moment in time. Right. We're talking, you know. So I tried it, and I got pretty quickly hooked on it. And so my life began spiraling a bit. So what I did is I started getting advances from the broker on deals that were just on the board,

but they hadn't closed yet. I started saying, hey, I've got 10 deals on the border. And, you know, most of them are going to go through. You know, I started getting advances on commission. Started, you know, just taking advantage. And at one point, you know, my family became aware of this. My girlfriend at the time became aware. They had me have a, I guess what you call it today is a, like not a mediation,

intervention. Intervention. They all savvy down in the lawyer's office saying, look, you know, you're losing a lot of weight. You're not coming into work. You're disappearing for days into hotel rooms. and so I was really getting on Coke pretty bad. When when things got tight, I was like, well, I always have these skills to rely on. And I started using my skills as a locksmith and a long-tech nation.

And I started committing burglar who was all across New York City. Then I got in trouble for a crime. We had a high-speed chase with the police. I went on the run. When you were, I mean, you committing burglary, what was the first burglary you did? How did you know to commit the burglary? Well, let me see There was so many that I couldn't even give you a first burglary

There was just so many of them There was just one stands out You know, let's say a restaurant in Manhattan In downtown I was working for a place called Atlas Locksmith I think they might still be around And plus I had my side business And a lot of these places

I had I had installed alarms or locks in So I kind of do their layouts and all that And I went back And even during my early addiction, I was still doing installations and locksmithing. So at that point, I will start taking index cards. And if I install something in an office building or a luxury home or something, I would either save an extra copy, the key, take to the index card or the key code. So I can just get a key cut anytime I wanted.

And I can go back six months later, three months later. I'm the guy that installed it. I violate their trust in the worst possible way. I regret it. I'm not bragging about my past. But I would go back and I would use all that. I even did the Master King in the World Trade Center for it was two or three floors of Dean Winter Reynolds. It was a big stocker, a broke for a firm back in the day.

I don't even know if it's still around. But anyway, I'm the guy who did that. I had the key from the CEO president that worked everything in the building, you know, his office to everything. So I would have so much access around downtown. So that one burglary of the restaurant actually stands out. Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most in general. communist con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly,

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I mean, that doesn't sound good. Like, that's a mob name if I've ever heard one. Now, he wasn't made. He was a mixed nationality, but he was a, he was looked more like an Irishman. He looked more like a Westie, if you know what I mean. Right. The Westie's from back of the day. So Butters was a really bad and dangerous guy, and a lot of people, you know, avoided him because a lot of his partners, when they made him, when he made money with them, they turned up dead.

So his mother took a liking to me, and she would always warn me. So he said, Billy, please stay away from my son. You have skills that he needs. and when you put a lot of money in front of him, he's coming out on top and you're going to be laying there dead. And this is his mother wanted me to stay away from this guy.

Right. And, of course, I didn't listen. We did a few things together. And so Buttons was quite the character. He killed somebody that had their photograph taken with, like, President Carter's wife. I mean, he's pretty notorious.

He was in prison before for shooting a police woman through a door. They were raiding where he was dealing drugs. shot through the door, hit her in her vest, and he got prison time for that. And while I'm hanging with him, he's on parole. He's got a handcuff key on him all the time. Well, what kind of money are you making? When you break into a safe, when you go into it, first of all, like, aren't you nervous?

Are you going in the middle of the night? Like, are you nervous? Well, what I'm doing the nighttime ones, which is very, very uncommon. You know, of course, there's a little apprehension, but I map things out so well. Well, everything I did was very, very well planned. I knew precisely what the hours were, or if it was a home, when the people would be there, when they wouldn't be there. I usually, especially when it came to homes, I started posing as Donna Karen's brother and going to see, for example, in South Florida, I would go see multimillion-dollar homes on the intercoastal posing as a potential buyer who was Donna Karen's brother. She's at a fashion show, and I would have inexperienced realtors generally show me these houses, and then I would come back with a camera.

I filmed the houses. I would know where the alarm panels were. I'd make them open all the doors in the house. I'd say, look, if my sister buys it, we're going to do a gut renovation. So when they're opening all the closets and from there on a second visit, I'm now filming everything. Back then, you had the smaller cameras, not the phones. But sometimes even the bigger cameras, you know, that was in those days. But so I'd have video and have full-colored brochures that the realtor would pass out.

I was a realtor. I knew how to convince the salesperson I was serious, you know, things. So I, you know, I would have, I would see all these gorgeous homes and map them out. I would know what to look for, whether it's an DEMCOP system panel or, you know, Magnum alert or central motion detectors or Colorado optics, infrareds, all these different brands. Medical locks, which I personally prefer, or medical locks are probably the best thing you could have. But so I would know if it's a quick set, Schleg, this, that, how many pin? I would know their schedules, the realtor.

usually will tell the people to stay out of the way or be out of the house when they're showing the house. So I don't have to worry about them because they're usually going to be a friend of that owner. So that person has inadvertently told them so many things that they don't even realize that they're then going to confide to a potential buyer who they want to sell because they're going to make a big commission.

So just through small talk, those realtors would not know what they're doing and they're revealing schedules. They're revealing, well, they're going to be out of town for a month here going to their house up an issue. in or wherever, you know, the lakehouse. And you know this people's whole schedule. You would know what day of the week that the maid came over, the pool guy.

I would get all that out of them. And so I went in a very, very well planned. I knew when the place isn't going to be empty. I knew what alarm I was dealing with. And normally, I'd say 80% of the time, the wealthier, more affluent community, South Florida, Boka, Fort Lauderdale, I was killing Boca. I was killing Palm Beach. I would be able to get in and out having so much information.

wasn't worried about it and I was always very clean cut I wear a lot of jewelry generally especially in the 80s but I would always scale it down when I was doing a crime I'd slap a wedding band on I'd put on maybe a black you know band watch you know maybe a simple Pease or something she'd fit in the neighborhood I was always getting my nails done so people would say it's no wonder you got away with so much you look like a Jewish dentist walking you know somebody's house I didn't you know I'm not covered in tattoos so I was always well-dressed and and always a very late model luxury car, sometimes my own, sometimes stole them with a, you know,

tag of some kind on it. But I got away with it for a very long time. The problem was I was using a lot of coke. Right. And, you know, can I ask a question? What's like an, is there an average, well, first of all, I guess, is there an average lick? Like, is there an average take or what, you know, what, what types of, what are you getting out of these houses? Like, Well, the most successful was how to be South Florida, East Coast. I was killing it. I was making millions of dollars. The average lick, I would say 50 grand, at least in jewelry or more per day.

And I didn't go out every day. Sometimes I'd only go out once a month. And I had hours when I would go do it. Even though I had all this information, I still would not go cruising through an neighborhood or up to that house unless it was from 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock in the afternoon. The husband's already gone from work If they're working people The wife's generally going shopping by them Supermarket or mall

And the kids are still at school Till about 2 o'clock I don't want to run into anybody So I'm picking a key part of the day That's when I'm going in Even if I have all that background information It's 99% of the time I do And you're not armed or anything

You don't want any problems There was a time early on When I would be Because we were making silences And we're running guns from South Florida to New York along with cocaine. I was working with some people from one of the original cocaine cowboys back in the day. And I was getting cocaine from him and some of his friends,

and we would have a trunk full of cocaine, you know, 20 kilos or whatever. Send them up to New York. At that time, I think it was $14,000 a key. We were selling it for like maybe 24, 22 in New York, plus guns. Plus we had a shop who were making siloches and building them on, selling them up in New York. I used to keep a pistol with a silence on. it just in case.

I'm not trying to hurt anybody. Right. Let's try to make money. Again, for your audience, I'm not bragging on my past, but it was exciting at the time and you're getting all this stuff for free. You know how it is. You're doing your little thing, whatever scam you had going on. And there's an excitement in that, you know.

But when you look back, you're like, what the hell do they think? And look at my life, you know, I've wasted all these years in prison. You know, you can never get them back. But I would, I hit, listen, I hit, I hit, Sheriff Nick Navarro's house. Navarro was the sheriff of Broward County. He's the one who started the Cops TV show with Okay. Broward was

Bad Boys, Bad Boys, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. He seemed a little, he almost seemed like he was a little bit Right, he was kind of a pretty boy, kind of a... White shock of hair. Yeah, he's He only did it for like a season or two, right? He was like the main guy for a season or two, and then they

he kind of disappeared. The cops' programs started filming in South Florida in the mid-80s, and Sheriff Navarro allowed them to film his department, and he was in several of the episodes. And anyway, so he's passed away now, but one of the things I did, inadvertently, this was something where I just went out for drive one day, gorgeous day, coming up on a holiday,

I knew a lot of people would be out, and off the intercoastal, I saw a house that had all the signs of nobody home, a plate live, beautiful home, newspapers in front of the garage, door, hadn't been picked up, looked like two or three days worth just sitting there. So I went, I actually was on a bicycle that day, and I just was able to get in. The alarm wasn't on.

I went through a window, drop in. There's a gun sitting on a nightstand with a bunch of dust on it, a detective five-shot Colt Special. I took that, put it in my pocket, just in case somebody was home. I grabbed the phone, and in those days, the phones needed to use the alarms needed to use the phone lines, so I could pick that phone up as soon as I got in the house. line was dead. I didn't hear a dial tone. That meant I screwed up somehow and the alarm was going out. Now, pretty sure everything's wireless. Either way, so the first thing I do

was grab a phone when I get in house. And before I would go, I have lock picks, I have a police scanner. I have liquid glove on. It's a product that seals your hands clear. And it's good for like four hours. You won't leave a fingerprint anywhere. A lot of mechanics use it. So, and I'm not trying to teach anybody because who had to do a burglary I apologize for giving it a while but so I had I had everything figured out I you know so you think

of course but so in his case I get in I get the gun and I'm walking towards the master bedroom immediately that's the be line and as I crossed the foyer I hear like somebody drew down on me I turned around I was like oh shit I bought to fill my hands in the air

because I don't really want to have a shootout with anybody right his gun in my pocket and it was an old school photo electric eye. The stores used to have them, you walk in. It would announce you there. People had them for alarms back in the day. So it picked me up and the relay clicking, you know,

in a quiet house on the intercoast that got my tension. Right. Oh, man, I caught my breath. I run to the bedroom. I clear out his jewelry box. I grab a bag that's sitting by the side, put it over my shoulder. I jump back on the bike. I'm gone.

I'm in Nick Nicarbaro's house probably two minutes, if that. right gone that's how quick i'm in and out of there because i also didn't know if that relay set off the alarm and maybe you know should have picked the phone up and get to see but so i just decided grab what i can get out i get to the house spread it out on the bed run-of-the-mill jewelry nothing's exceptional uh there's some cufflings from the DEA it used to be a DEA agent there's a letter with a presidential seal a little card had the presidential seal in the United States i opened it up and said dear sheriff nick devour thank you for your assistance on the South Florida Drug Task Force sincerely President Ronald Reagan.

I said, holy crap, this guy's got a letter from the president. Then it turned on me. Nick Navarro, I had his wallet. I opened it up his ID with his picture. I said, holy crap, that's the guy from the cop's TV program. Sheriff Nick Navarro. He's not just a cop. He's the elected sheriff of this county, which is Florida, Delt, all over the place.

I'm like, oh, my God. They're going to be hunting for me now. to get out of Florida for a while. Yeah, I just looked at my, this is not the same guy that I thought he was, but yeah. The guy who fell off a cliff, American crime and justice, he was doing a thing, and he backed off a cliff. No, I didn't know that. I know the guy you're talking about I said, it was a different show. Yeah, he actually fell Doria, Doria shoot in California.

Yeah, okay, well, no wonder he didn't keep doing the cops episodes. Yeah, that's the, that's, you know. It's funny because he wrote a book called The Cuban Cop, which that might have been the one he's looking at. That was it right there, yeah. He was represented and helped write it by Tom Madden, the former vice president of NBC. Tom happens to be one of my best friends. Tom, yep, that's it. Let's Nick.

Hello, Sheriff, Tomorrow, God bless you, sorry, told your stuff. Look, so he's represented at that time with that book. You'll see Transmedia Group all throughout that book. I talk to Tom every day right now. Thomas, one of my best friends, and when I finally confided to him, like, just two years ago, this is like, you know, 20, 30 years later, I said, remember what his house got hit? He goes, yeah, that was huge. And he goes, oh, don't tell me that was you. I said, yeah. He said, man, he was a really good friend. He's passed away now. We did his book. And this is when I was in prison. He sent me a copy of that book. He said, would you like a copy of Nick's book? I said, I had about around here somewhere on the show. But, yeah, and so in that bag was some other stuff. that I'm not going to publicly say because, of course, it can never be proven. But, you know, there was a lot of that. Now, this is in the man's personal house, right?

Right. There was allegations at the time that it was extremely corrupt. And I think when he left the office, they found like six or eight kilos of unaccounted for cocaine in his office safe, like not connected to any case. So who knows when he was siphoning off. Right, yeah. Rumors like, you know, let's knock off the Colombians and give the Coke to put on the street to his Cuban buddies.

This is all alleged, so we've got to be careful with that because his family's still around. But, yeah, so I can tell you point blank that that was actually in the house as well. But it's just a small world, so circle back. And Tom is actually the one who's introduced me to my fiancé now, Dr. Mary Bass. So those are the years I was really ripping and run in South Florida. And in those years, I think Gold was about 360-something an ounce. Now, what is it, like 1,700? I don't know.

It's like ridiculous. I probably would have $10 million hidden somewhere if I was doing that doing that today. But, you know, you look back is like, is it really worth all the years I lost in prison? No, not at all. Right. So do you, did, so you turn around? Did you have like a main fence or do you just break jewelry down and sell it? I mean.

Well, in New York, I had many fences somewhere on 47th Street, which is the Diamond District. There was been movies made about it. And so much. legitimate business people there, but there's also a hell of a lot of corruption. You bring them things, you know, whatever you want. You just walk out with a pocket full of cash. You sell whatever you have. South Florida in Miami, they have what they call the Seabold building.

That building there is all like the jewelers exchange. It's probably an eight or ten-story tower. The walk-through lobby of it from one street to the other, it's about a block from the federal courthouse. It's all high-end jewelry stores, like really gaudy stuff, like big diamond-en trusted jewelry everywhere, but on the upper floors is mostly wholesalers and other jewel of salons. And then those upper floors is like a spider web of all sorts of nationalities in the jewelry

or diamond industry. And I had multiple fences all throughout that building that would buy, you know, one of specializes watches, one was blue stones. A lot of times I started melting my own jewelry. I ended up getting a smelting pot, which is an asbestos pot. And it was something really identifiable, I would just roughly take, you know, if it was a fake stone, I'd bust the stone out of it. For example, unfortunately, school rings. You didn't want to mix 10-carat and 14-carat. I'd have, you know, two handfuls of school rings, take all the

stones off, throw them in the smelter, and I'd make 10-carried gold bars. I would milk the bars. Right. And pour them into ingots. And it was one time in Fort Lauderdale, I had actually an efficiency, and I was making 14 and 10-carat bars of identifiable jewelry, just meldied down. And I had pulled the refrigerators here out. And it was an old-school Florida tarasso for. The slag jumped out and hit that coal concrete and exploded a divot in the floor like this deep. I got hit in the face with all pieces of concrete from the explosion. So I just got killed, you know, trying to melt some gold down in the kitchen of this place I had in the apartment in Fort Lauderdale. So, yeah, I had fences.

I had another one, Ronnell. Ron L went out of business, gigantic smelting place jewelry operation in Hollywood, California. because later on they got associated with traffickers and all that money laundering. But at that time, they had an outpost from the Hollywood Police Department in there. And I'd come with a whole bag over my shoulder with all these melbourne bars that I was making. And what they would do is they'd put you in the locked room. One of the people would come with a scale and some paperwork. And they didn't care about ideas in those days.

So I had a fake license from an international license saying I was from Ireland. I was on holiday, you know. So that was what was my spiel back then And so they would just give me a check That what they would do was they take all the raw smelted gold They would then melt it re-melt it into proper bars And essay it determine the spot value for that day And I had a choice

I can get a check to that total of weight So I can get a $30, $40,000 check Whatever it was And whatever name I wanted it Or I could just immediately sell it back I could sell it back to them and get a check or I can keep it and just pay the commission for turning it into proper bars. And I would just always sell it up, of course, and walk out of there.

You know, right past the police, where the whole bunch of stolen South Florida gold over my shoulder. But so this is how I dealt with Fence. I had another guy who was a former police detective in New York City. He was thrown out of the force for some kind of corruption. Might have been during the NAF commission days back in New York. Anyway, so he was a really nice guy, great family, but he was really, really, you know, corrupt.

I don't want to say his name here because I still talk to his family. But, you know, we call John the Plumber, put it that way. So he'd meet me and, you know, always try to talk me down. I'm trying to talk him up. And he would always meet me a pocket full of $100 bills. You know, wait, do I come large or do I come small? I said, come large. You're meeting me.

Come large. Bring at least $50,000, you know. I might have $30,000 worth of stuff, but I'm trying to talk about it on the whole $500. So these are fences. I had different types. Sometimes I would break a fence in if I was in a new community. I would, for example, be in California or Las Vegas doing what I do. It was right after I hit Navarro, it exploded in the media.

And I was living with four girls from Ireland and one girl from England. They were on holiday. So here I am doing coke all day. Here they are smoking hash and drinking beer all day. And, you know, how's a young guy in my 20s? I was having a blast at the time. I'm living with all these women, and every one of them is into me at various times. And, you know, so I had it made.

I then traveled to California. I told them, look, you guys were all talking about going to California. And they didn't know I hit the sheriff's house. I said, it's on me. I'm buying all tickets, but we got to leave, like, in the next two days. So I rounded everybody up, went to California. Before I left, that gun, I traded it to a friend for a bulletproof vest. I don't know why I needed a bulletproof vest, but I decided that.

buy one from this guy. He had one. And when I was trading it, he dropped it on the floor by front shop, and the hammer broke off, the gun fired, and one of us could have got shot in the feet. And it was put out so fast. That was Nick Navarro's gun. So they ever find it today, it has a broken hammer on it. So yeah, we went to California. I continued to do the same things. But this time, I didn't have any fences. I was just accumulating jewelry and, you know, spending my savings that I took with me from out there. Plus, I was on a run. I was wanted in New York. So we all went out there. There, you know.

Why were you wanted? We were doing a bunch of, we were doing a bunch of crimes where we were like robbing drug dealers and even some civilians posing as the police and taking all their drugs and all that. And we had a high speed chase. I actually dove out of the car, rolled while the police were chasing us. And I told the driver, you know, basically I put a gun in his stomach. He wanted to pull over because his twin brother was the one doing some crimes with me. Right. said, let me just pull over. I'm not involved. I said, you know what we came out here for to pick up this other hidden jewelry. You know there was a chance of cops. If you stop, and I had it, I kind of made the guy keep driving. So I said, look, man, you're going to make a threat because he was a crappy driver. It was wet. It was November. And I just said, go real fast on a straightaway, break it, make a slow turn. I'm jumping out. Keep going. Don't stop for another mile. Let them keep chasing you and give us a chance to get out of the area. And that's what we did. On a turn, on a high-speed turn, I jumped out.

Got banged up pretty bad. I quickly crawled under whatever was there, whatever vehicle on the side of the road. And so did my partner, his twin. He jumped out immediately we hid. And I'm watching these other cops passing him, you know, passing us and the sprays in our face. It was ice cold. It was like a sleet kind of snow. And I was like, holy crap, man.

And they caught him. And, of course, he immediately told on his brother. And then when he caught his brother, he told on me. So I went on the run. So period, I hit. During the period I hit in the virus house, I was a fugitive, and then the girls were all overextended their visas, so they were wanted by immigration or whatever you call it at that time.

So we all went to California. California, I was finding fences by basically I would take some jewelry to any jewelry store. And I've tried this in South Florida with newer people I wanted to deal with, and I would pose as, you know, I would go there maybe and buy something, spend a couple of hundred dollars. And then I'd go back again. We're moving to the area. Hey, you know, we went to my aunt's storage unit.

She passed away. She had all this jewelry laying around. And, you know, we just want to sell it for cash, no paperwork. Because really, her son was this and that. We don't know the origins of it. You willing to buy her, you know, with no ID. If they said, yeah, I own my fences because they didn't know where I got the stuff from, but I knew they were dirty and wanted to work with me.

And so that's how it accumulated many fences. And one guy stands out. A Russian guy, California, Hollywood, was buying stuff for me all the time, constantly trying to use, I think it was out of either Santa Monica Boulevard or Hollywood Boulevard. Forget the street. Small shop, Russian guy. And he's always nickel and dime in me and trying to get over on me and this and that. Like as if I'm, you know, a crackhead or, you know, some guy on meth and he's going to just try to get over. And I said, look, you know, this is getting old?

But I play the game. Before that, I trained my fences who had jewelry stores to let me in only after closing hours. And here's why. Before the Russian. A few weeks before, I was in another fence. A bunch of jewelry product probably was hit in Beverly Hills. I was hit in Hollywood. I had a lot of jewelry and gold coins.

I get up to his, inside his store. There's two detectives out there looking over his paperwork at the counter. And I know what they're doing, right? They're checking for records of receipt of stuff he bought comparing all the stuff that's been stolen. I probably had most of the stuff they were looking for them standing behind these detectives at the counter. And so I just eased my way out. We're not saying anything to my fence who owned a store. And I left.

And I called them back the next day. He said, why did you walk out? I said, you had two cops at your counter. He said, yeah, they're burglary detectives. People, they check what I'm buying against what stole. And I said, yeah, I figured that. But I told you, some of my stuff might have questionable origins, and I'm not trying to have them lay eyes on me. Right.

So I left. And that's exactly what they were doing. I have a good sense of people and picking up the signals on what they were all about. I mean, didn't he realize that? No, he knew what they were. They were in there all the time. No, I know. I'm saying, didn't he realize?

Like, obviously, I left because I told you some of the stuff. Like, why would I stay? Right. Who knows? You know, people ask things. You know, I'm always paranoid about somebody being wired when they're asking me something. Right. Or they're putting up a crime because I would think you're trying to set me up,

and then I'll just shut down. If I initiated it and it's something we did together, I'm going to go in your ear. out of the blue you're not going to know coming over you're not going to it's not going to be like go meet me here at five o'clock no it's going to be be accidentally bringing into you to have a conversation right i was super cautious about being caught on tape in those days so i get paranoid or people ask me too many questions back in those days you know how it is when you're living illegally you know anybody asks you're wrong thing it's like lara bells well do they know something are they setting me up are they wired you know but uh so i trained all my fences at that period Hey, do me a favor. Just where I'm running to his cops again or any police or any of your customer roads or disrupt your business. If you close at 6 p.m.

and I got to see you that day. I'll show up at 6.05 right after you locked the last customer out. This way, me and you talk before you put your stuff away and you do some business and you let me back out. Yeah. You have no traffic. I hadn't trained. I got the Russian guy trained like this also.

So he's always trying to get over on me. So one day I brought him a bunch of garbage. I figured it's about maybe eight, nine grand. the stuff. He's looking through it. I'm in the back. I know where his bathroom was. I know he doesn't really, he doesn't really lock his safe fully, especially at night. He's getting ready to pull all the stuff back in. So the safe is sitting cracked. I look in the back room, but sitting cracked open. And I say, okay, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to help myself to whatever I can out of that safe while he's sitting there looking at that jewelry because I'm good

like that. While he was looking at it, I said, hey, let me use a restroom while you're checking the jewelry. You know, he's doing the asset test. He's looping the diamonds. I go in the back bathroom to tend to, and I quickly open a safe, and I grab a stack of hundreds and a gigantic fat Turkish-length necklace. It was like something a wrapper might wear. It was so heavy, and I took that. So I ended up leaving there about 50, 60 grand. So I pretended that I wasn't happy with his price because I figured if I agreed to the price he offered me,

he might have to go back to the safe for the cash. So when he gave me the price, I said, they ain't go again. You keep trying to get over on me. listen, I'll think about it. I'll see you tomorrow. And I took my jewelry back from him and I left with all this stuff. Never went back. Never to see him again. A few weeks later, some methods held him up with a taser. He pulls out a gun and kills one of them. And then they started, you know, harassing him at a shop, all the friends. And he actually had to shut down his store. But yeah, so there was a lot of incidents like that. You ask about fences. Those are some experience.

I was going to say, like your guy tries, your, your, your, your, your, If somebody tries to rob me, I kill him, and then everybody's going to harass me. Right. He's so, I guess the little, his little, the method, friends he had, you know, running around with him. But why would you go to jewelry store with a, with a taser to rob a guy, you know? Yeah, well. Yeah. Yeah.

And unless it's a chain store, a person, an owner who has a vested interest in that business, it's certainly going to want to kill you when you try to rob. So, you know, I didn't function like that. And if you screwed me over, I found 16 different ways to get back at you. Or, you know, in fact, you know, I've written a book about Robert Durst. I knew him years ago. I wrote a book about my relation with him and some of the weird stuff he's done around me that I knew Glenn Maxwell. We can get to that story in a minute.

But I tease people now. I say, you know, there's a saying that says, you know, I have a bullet with your name on it. You know, when you're mad at somebody, you know, you're in life or whatever. So my thing is, I'm going to do like an image on my books for now on. It's going to be an outline of a book. it. And you're going to say, you're like, you screw with me. I've got a book with your name on it. He says it's not straight books, telling the stories. But, so that's the stories with some of the fences. I could probably go on and on for hours just talking about drama with

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cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible. How long until you eventually got caught for all the, or did you ever get caught for the burglaries? I I eventually got caught. I hit the Winters Yacht Charters family. They had a gigantic home at Harbor Beach. I don't know if you know, Fort Lauderdale, pretty well. And they actually had two houses

in Harbor Beach, and a lot of famous basketball players and sports figures lived in this certain area right by the ocean. You got Pier 66 over there, 17th Street Causeway, right by the ocean. And so I was hitting a lot of houses in there. I saw this house with a realtor. And to tell you how I got caught. One of the biggest heist I ever did. It was about $4 million, cash jewelry, multiple P.J. Diamond and Krustin, Rolexes, P.J. Women's watches. Tennis bracelets.

Crazy, good score. So the realtor showed me the house. I went to go see it another day to go hit the house, but they always had people working over there. Like, you know, maize or this one or that one. One day they were having a Christmas party on one of their yachts.

Now they had three yachts at that conjoice. gigantic mega yachts that they would rent out to like Laurie Esteban and all these celebrities would have parties, you know, up and down intercoastal, nice parties on their yachts or out in the ocean. And so I knew the Christmas party was going down a few days before Christmas, and their whole family and the owners of the house would be on the yacht a few blocks away at the thing, I think it was called Bahia Mall Yacht Club. So I went, knock on the door, nobody there. I knew the alarm wasn't even on. I picked the lock. What it had quickly got to say. got some paintings, put it in there.

At this time, I didn't have the liquid glove. I had some leather gloves on. Got the scanner on. I get everything in there. I'm going to go because they party on the yacht at the yacht club is so close to the house. I know they can be coming back and forth. I'm about to pull out of the driveway, and the guy in a bright yellow corvette pulls in behind me, and I'm like, crap.

So I'm trying to get the gloves off, and he pulls right behind me. He walks right up to me. I'm sweating from carrying the safe down the stairs from the master bedroom. And he says, can I help you? I said, hey, yeah, my name is Such and Such. I gave him a bogus name. I said, Barbara Such and Such showed me this house not long ago. I wanted to see if I could see it again before I go back to Chicago for the holidays.

And he goes, oh, yeah, she's still showing the house. We haven't sold it yet. It's my parents' house. We're having the Christmas party. What's your name again? I'll tell him you pass by. Even he saw me sweating. And when I exited the last time with my hands full, the front door was open a little bit.

So later from the legal work, this discovery, he noticed I was sweating in South Florida, you know, and just carried his safe. So he noticed, and the second he turned around from talking to me, he noticed their gigantic doors were open a jar. Right. So he kind of panicked. He had a gun on it. He armed himself and went through the house real quick. I was calling 911 as I'm hauling ass out of there. Well, if you know South Florida, you have the intercoastal waterway.

A1A, you have drawbridges at that time over each one, like sunrise, whatever the streets, well, 17th Street. So rather than me cutting out and going straight for, I believe, it would have been 17th Street, I-95, I got the scanner on. I unplugged it. I throw it on the seat next to me. I quickly changed shirts. I had a difficult shirt on, and I hit towards A-1-A. Now you dead end at the ocean, you got to make the left or right. I ate the red light, went around traffic, and I'm trying to get to Las Solis.

Losolos is where the Elbe Room is, like where Elvis made a movie, a very famous bar. So La Solis, where it intersects with A1A on the ocean, I made that left and tried to make the Las Solis bridge. Because I know from the experience of doing burglaries on that side of those bridges, they'll contact all the bridge tenders that they think they trapped the burglar on one side. And they'll try to trap them while they search the streets and look for you or your vehicle. So I knew those bridges were going to get put up. I knew this guy was paranoid the way what was presented. And so I took the light in front of A1A in Los Olas in front of all the traffic, praying to God, there was no cops around. They usually are tons of them, but there was none.

And I'm aiming for the bridge, like two streets up. I'm doing like 90 miles an hour. As soon as they get on, I hear the guy saying, that's like pretty much as I'm getting to the light. I hear the dispatch saying, dispatch notify all the Britsians, just hurry up and throw the bridges up. Because the call is coming in already. Like the street door, what happened? The homeowner is in pursuit. The homeowner is armed.

I'm like, crap, the homeowner's going to suit me. The gods are going to suit me. So all this stuff's building. And I'm like, okay, I ate another light, and I floored it just as that was coming over the air. And I get to the bridge and the arms are starting to come down. Now, there's a split second. You can make the arm. Yeah.

You're going to make the bridge. If it starts opening, you're going to hit it and get killed or fall in the water if you made it that far. So I flew as the arm was coming down. And just before I started. and raising. I made it to the other side and I look in my mirror and the bridge is starting to go up so they couldn't trap down the ocean side. I went up some side streets. I put another tag on the vehicle I took side streets home. At one point I have my window open. I went through a construction zone on Stixie Highway. A friend of mine's got a tire shop there. I was going to try to hide

the vehicle there. And there's a cop next to me. I got to scatter off. So listen to the calls about me that they're in the ceiling off the air, you know, putting the helicopter up. They're bringing dogs. I'm listening to all the calls about me while I'm listening to a scanner. A cop passes to me in a construction zone, arms distance away. His window's open. I'm hearing the same calls out of my left ear from his radio that I'm hearing of my radio. He's looking down, like taking notes and looking around the traffic. And I'm literally side by side with him, you know, but I'm always clean cut and throwing a different color shirt on. This guy didn't even glance over. Had he glanced over, he had me, because it was nowhere to go. I was stuck in traffic

Yeah, the construction zone got away with it. So how did they get caught? Fast forward. I'm selling all this jewelry. I'm altering stones. I got my friends pulling big stones out, putting like a big, I think it was an aquamarine, gigantic stone pulled that out, put it in a black, I forgot the name of the stone. But anyway, we're switching out stones.

If something had a lot of diamonds, I would take out every few diamonds and have somebody put rubies or emerales in. And then I would take those to get maximum dollar. I would give them to other fences in Palm Beach on consignment. So now I had a completely altered piece that instead of getting $30,000 for it, I might get $40,000 or $50,000 for it. They put it in their window. I just stole it for a Florida, though, but it's altered enough where they can't say where he came for anymore.

Right. I still have the loose stones to play with to make some side money. And then when they sell it, hey, Bill, we sold your piece, you know, we have an offer, not exactly what you want. We're going to take our 10%. You want to sell it. Yeah, let it go. I stole the stuff

In consignment shops all over in Florida Right So I'm on a binge one time Still using coke Still trafficking coke Still trafficking guns I'm in a motel In Florida near the ocean

And I'm by myself Because I don't bring the illegal things I do to the house ever I've always had a hotel room I don't bring my dirt to the house Right And I'm ashamed of what I'm doing You know frankly

I'm not proud of what I'm doing My family's worried about me The cops are always looking for me for one reason or another. You know, my sister would say the only time we have peace is when you're in jail. You know, why can't you just smoke a joint once in a while? Why are you using Coke and, you know, stealing everybody's stuff? Right. Well, he's some kind of good at it, you know.

But at the same time, anytime I had something nice, you know, what do you have? Can I need a pearl necklace? I need this. I need that. Oh, yeah. The same people that they turned it back on you, they sure had their hand out when things were going good. I know it well. I know those people well.

Right. So, you know, I love them, but, you know, it's just a sister part of human nature. So I'm in this hotel. There's women walking around. I spoke to a shoe of them. I'm not really with all that unless I know it's a, you know, nice woman, whatever, you know, weekend warrior type chick. But these weren't exactly like that. They were more like the stripper kind, you know, and I wasn't really trying to hang with that and you end up getting sick or something. This guy kept pacing my room and then going in their room, and I knew one of these women. So when he took off, I set to her, I said, who the freak is this guy that he keeps going and normal? But he's passing my room constantly. I said, I've been up for days.

I'm paranoid like everybody else around here. And I don't know if he's a cop or he's coming to get me or who the hell this guy is. Oh, he's just tweaking. He takes a hit and he goes for a walk, you know, and he gets paranoid. He wants to go for a walk. I says, well, he's freaking me out. While I'm talking to them, this guy knocks and they let him in. So now I'm in the room with a guy and somebody else's room.

So I immediately pull out my gun, and I told him, I said, get back to the bathroom, man. I put this guy in the bathroom. I said, you a cop. I was out of my mind. I would never do that if it was in my right mind. Right. I'm so paranoid. And he's like, oh, no, I'm like, huh?

He said, I'm just out of here getting high. I am paranoid. I said, I'm not going to tell you where I am, but you've passed my hotel room 100, 100 times, and like, what's wrong with you? He said, I'm paranoid. I can't sit still when I use, when I use the Coke, I take a hit, and I go for a walk. I said, dude, you're freaking me out. I said, take your clothes off. I want to see that you have a gun or a badge or if you're wired.

That's how paranoid it was. He strips down. He's in tears, this and that. I, uh, I had a, I had, I had, I had, I had, I had, I had, I had lured from buttons to always have a handcuff key on me. So in all my clothes, I sewed in the Velcro patch in the back right where I can reach. And I was a lot thinner than I could easily reach around. I could, right, with cuffs up in front if I wanted to. Plus, I could pick locks without the cuff most, most times.

Because a locksman, then I know the things I could open. with. But I would always just have like the Smith & Western or the Peerless handcuff key, always behind a piece of belcro on my pants. So I had a pair of shorts on with the cuff key and he gets dressed. All of a sudden, I'm trying to think how this exactly panned out. So I let him go. We talk. We changed information. I don't think I gave my real information. He gave me his. They owned some dry cleaners called the chain of them in Florida, but he was like a weekend binge type of guy. So, but I didn't know he was out on bond for a case and he was cooperating with the police oh okay i would say he

went he must have gone until the police like yeah so this this goes for a couple hours i have a rolex presidential on with a blue lapis face covered in diamonds aftermarket diamond band diamond bezel it's from the it's from the winder's heist i'm wearing this watch this guy after we're talking for a while and things calm down he says hey he'd been Oh, that's a beautiful watch. He said, I know Fred Winders have one just like that. He said the name right on the head, the person I stole it from 18 months before. And I said, oh, really?

I said, no, no, no. This is my father who gave me this gift when I graduated from college, you know, in New York. Just to blow him off. But I was like, holy fuck. He said, I used to be a bartender on one of their yachts. They have a yacht company in town. What are the odds? It happens.

It happened. So it didn't believe a word. was saying he went out and talked to his cops seems cooperating in football of the PD I met a guy named Bill he's got a gigantic you know diamond and crust of roll it so I swear it's Fred's watch and so I go back to my room

and one of the couple people came over and we were waiting for one of their friends to bring some drugs over and the guy went in the room while paranoid he was what the hot thing you guys doing here there's this whole parking lot's crawling with cops and there's a helicopter over it they figured out who I was and I was the guy they were looking for for like being the most prolific burglar in you know south florida history pretty much one of them

anyway and so they realized that they finally had me and where i was did thanks to this guy and these these these women so he goes in there he goes in the bathroom where all you hear is him flushing he wasn't this dope he brought over and he's all freaked out they lock it on the door i look out It's a men and woman standing out there. And so how I get called for this one was, you know, I said, crap, I'm going to none of these people know my full business at all. Right. And I'm wanted, and I'm like, prolific burglar in Fort Lauderdale.

I'm like, oh, crap. I'm really screwed. So they said, wait, we're detectives from Fort Lauderdale PD. Where's that guy that just ran in here? And he's like, oh, I'm right here. You know, I'm a mystery with friends. And they said, well, just stand right there. Well, well, they're dealing with.

with him, I came out from behind the door, literally, like, second floor of this outdoor motel, nice side motel, and I'm walking to get the hell away from them. And I got like six doors down. I'm outside of the room. They stepped out. They said, hey, you, get back over here. We didn't tell you you you can go. And it was cops all in the park lot and the helicopter.

So the people down below thought I was giving permission to walk out, so they didn't try to stop me. Right. Detectives are now outside yelling for me. they confront me I've got the key for my for my room in my hand and I'm like my way to me to get rid of this thing because in there I have a briefcase I have an ultrothermic lance which is used for cutting open safes and balls just 10,000 degree oxygen you and so they'll have the watch on yeah I still had the watch on yeah so they're like yeah what's your name you know and I made up some name Bill Kelly you know and so they're asking me all

these questions will you have an ID and this and that and I said well I'm just staying here temporarily you know I forgot all the stories I was telling but I probably started to get tripping myself up a little bit because I was up for days I couldn't keep you know keep it right and so they said look if you have a room here um they brought the manager the manager said oh yeah he has a room such a such room the manager told us they're not going to let you renew the room so after that room expires they're going to watch you out I'm not going to renew it. And then you're going to have to get off the property or you'll get trespassed and we'll be here for that.

Or we can just tell us who you really are because we really think there's way more going on here. And so it was a standoff for like three hours until like I think 11 or 1 o'clock all around checkout time. They said to the manager's checkout time for him. Are you allowing him to renew the room? I said no. May we go in? They said yes. So now they had their legal right to enter the room.

the second they get in there in my briefcase they get in there it's got like literally like my real parole papers from New York are in there like 37 sets of fake IDs are in there fake license and international licenses several sets of lot picks a police scanner

gloves you know no weapons but it was enough to show your professional burglar then I had a case DuPont dissect it said oxygen lance that would cut through anything as settling torches burned a 2,700 degrees My porch, it put pure oxygen down the copper, with magnesium inserts in it, a tip, big sparkle at 10,000 degrees in the tip. Yeah. I can rip through anything with it, and I was.

And so they found that in the room. They said, yeah, are you okay? Because where's your family? Where's this? Where's that? I said, oh, my family, you know, God forgive me. My family was all killed in the plane crash, you know, 10 years ago, I'm on my own. You know, I just, you know, don't have my right mind.

I work odd jobs, you know, delivering pizza. I was just making up every story, but I'm dressed nice. I have jewelry. And you're like, you're just like, you're so full of shit. We know who you are. Why do you just tell us? We don't know your real name, but we know what you've been doing around here. They open the briefcase, and they say, we think this is you.

And they have my real information on it. And I said, okay, because the one guy said, he jogs. And he said, if you try to take off running, he said, I'd run five miles a day. He said, I'll catch your ass. And the second, they pulled the parole paper. I'm sitting by the pool side. They pulled them out for all papers. Now there's a big crowd of tourists and everybody staying at the hotel watching this like Mexican standoff of me with these detectives for like hours.

So finally, when they showed me that, I just stood up and said, where are you going? I turned around. I said, cuff me up. Here's my real. That's my real name. Let's get this old. And that's how I got caught. That guy turned me in for the watch.

That was one way I got caught. That was the big one. How much time did you do on that? Oh God, I had to take them to my storage unit and give back a bunch of stolen stuff and then I drove them around You know, burglaries I did I kind of told on myself on some other things In exchange for I think I told them on maybe 60 perfectly she said I did including the viral In exchange for being able to plead the three burglaries including the windridge and uh yeah so there was that I had returned millions of dollars in assets basically um i had a big restitution with

that case, I ended up with, I think I did like three years in the county and then like another they put me like 10 years probation, which I quickly violated and I ended up with six years of prison at that time. So six years total, including the three years? Yeah, well, I was doing time for something else in the county, but I was held there and I kept stalling my case around trying to get a better deal. They would try to put me in prison at that time I had no significant record like 90s. So my record really accumulated later on. But, yes, I ended up, like I said, having to give back a bunch of stuff. And it was funny because I used to go to a lot of soldier fortune conventions.

And so I had a dummy grenade, you know, like a paperweight grenade, a real ride. People don't have the explosives or the fuse. And I had that there. And then I had a Russian ballistic knife. I don't know if you know what those are. You pull the pin and it's a big dagger and you pull the trigger and it'll come straight out. And it'll go into somebody or a side of beef all the way. It's like the breath.

They're called ballistic knives. It's spring-loaded. So I had that there. So either from that or the grenade, like the pin, they were going through the stolen stuff, asking me to try to remember where it came from, so they saved them their work from going through records. But the pin hit the floor.

They went running. I'm in shackles from the jail. Right. With a book. That pin hit the floor. They went running. I said, there's nothing explosive in there. It's probably from the knife or the paperware.

right they all are running down the end of the storage you and let me stand in my shackles but it's probably crazy experiences i have a book coming out another one you know i wrote two books your fans can know your audience you know my website's up there plus her on amazon one about robert thirst one about the lynn maxwell but i have another one coming out which is more like the secular story of my my life and stupid things i did and how i believe because i am a man of faith Now, I'm not perfect. I believe God had his hand on my dumb ass all along, but I could have been killed many times. And the things I did, I put myself out there.

I'd been shot at. I had some close calls, you know, high-speed chases. What happened with the Durst? What's the Durst book? The Durst book is called Sex and a Serial Killer, my bizarre times with Robert Durst. I have sent you some images. And it's about my way, my story. how I met Robert Durst in the early 80s.

I was attending locksmith school in Manhattan. Sammy, the guy who died and my son were coming out of a fast food restaurant. He was rushing down the street with Susan Berman. Susan Berman's father was a notorious mobster back years ago, Dave the Jew Berman in Las Vegas. He ran Vegas for Meyer Landsky. So she was a screenwriter and author, very good friends of Robert Durst. I run into him, not knowing who he was.

My drink's all over me. He's cursing me out. I have a Brooklyn attitude. I'm already dealing a little bit of coke and I have a gun on me. So I said, if you, mother effort. I'm like a young guy. I'm like in my early 20s. I go to pull the piece out.

Sammy Gradsby said, what are you doing? It's a soda. It's not worth it. He has a gun on him. Dirst had a gun on him because he was collecting rents. The old property went over the place. And a lot of the strip clubs near my school, the strip, they were like the peep shows back in the day when it was real seedy.

Now Disney has everything. His family, the Dirst organization, owned a lot of those places. A lot of their renters were mobsters. A lot of the cash, a lot of the rent was paid in cash. So he was, I think, in the neighborhood at that time collecting rents personally. And I happened to crash into him. He crashed into me. We had words.

And that's how I met him. She got a hold of him. Bobby, Bobby, relax. It was just an accident, you know. He got real mouthy with me. And I'm quick to respond to that, you know, especially back then. And we had some words. And then she said to me right in front of Robert Thurz, she said, you know, please ignore him.

His wife was recently murdered. You know, he's really not in his right mind. And I was like, okay, and his look to her, to Susan Berman, it looks to kill, it looks like he killed her then. That was a Freudian slip on her part because at that stage, Kathy Durst had only been missing a few months, and he had been just reporting her missing. Nobody was investigating it as a murder back in the year when I met him. So for her to say that, she knew more than she was saying ultimately. Right. Ultimately, we find out that Susan was his alibi because Kathy supposedly disappeared.

She was going to become a pediatrician at Albert Einstein's School of Medicine. Susan Berman posed as her and said, I won't be in for my test. Whatever testing she was doing, I'm not feeling well. And the dean didn't really recognize the voice. And normally they wouldn't call a dean. They would call somebody else. So they deliberately called somebody who wouldn't recognize the voice. And that person, the dean, notified the professor, oh, Kathy's not well, she's not going to come in, you know.

And that kind of made it look like she never came back or whatever's happened to her. I forgot the whole story he lied about for so many years. And then he kept changing the story. But ultimately, fast, so I got friendly with him. And then what he did was at this same incident, he tried to really talk, walking back because he was pissed at her. And I'm very protective of women. that I knew that she was in danger. I was like, it immediately dawned on me.

This guy killed his wife and this chick knows it. And she accidentally blurted it out. You go to a complete stranger. So I'm like kind of torn between where I needed to be and trying to protect her. Then really, okay, if this guy's like really as wealthy as this lady just telegraphed that he is, you know, maybe I can find a way to get in his pocket. So we exchanged information that he said something along the lines. He asked me why I was in the area.

And I said, I'll go into the Loxwood School, you know. And he says, hey, would you be the kind of person with those skills willing to cross the line? I said, for the right price, anything is possible. And that's how I met Robert Thirst. That developed into him coming over periodically to my house in Brooklyn, wanting to use the upstairs apartment or the basement and bringing different women there, you know, doing this thing, whatever they were, call girls, friends, this, that. One of them was a transsexual. And me started to see more and more odd behaviors and photographs and things that I'm. I, that's why I call him a serial killer.

He had things with him that were not, there weren't just like honest type things that, you know, people might be into. They were like death implements. There was like saws and there was like, you know, tarp and this weird shit and the stuff he used to bring over and they wanted to leave at my house. And then he would show me pictures. And one girl, I go to check on him because I wouldn't participate. He would just pay me. He would pay me for use of the place. And when I went to check, you know, they're all naked and this and that.

And this one young lady, you know, you couldn't help notice she had cherry tattoos, you know, on her. And a young girl, she was probably 18, 19 years old. And fast forward a few months later, he's showing me pictures of some obviously dead women. And that girl's there. And that's described in the book in the condition she was in. But he was convicted of what? Two murders, right? Or just one?

He has been under investigation for murdering. Kathy Nurse's first wife who won't friends with her family in 1982, but all the prosecutors in Westchester County, New York would never prosecute. It's speculated and rumored and alleged that his family was paying so much money and donations to the various prosecutors' campaigns to keep him from being prosecuted. You know, they were helping him. And so now it's probably going to be litigation starting soon against that family for covering up for him so long, because them allegedly doing that enabled him to continue going on killing other people. Right.

Okay, so Susan now became a liability to Robert Durst over years. The jinx came out on HBO, became huge. I was in prison. I wrote writing a book about my life. Bobby Durst was going to be, you know, a few pages, you know, the weird shit he did around me and the old guy is a piece of crap. My co-author, Gary Greenberg, is a friend of mine. He's right now the editor of the National Enquirer.

He's one of the editors there. And he's a crime writer. So Gary's in Boca, and he said, look, this is huge right now. You're putting him in your book and your manuscript, write a quick book about everything about him, and we'll put that out. I'll help you put that out while you're incarcerated. And I wrote the book about my experiences, sex and the serial killer, my bizarre times of Robert Durst. It came out, was doing really well while I was in prison. Manna became in the National Choir, of course, it got in there several times.

It got in the son of London. It got in New York Post, numerous publications. While an incarcerated, you'll see on the cover of it in the top corner. Nancy Grace covered that book on her podcast while I was still incarcerated. Now, she's known as the queen of true crime. Now they call me the king of true crime king. It's kind of weird. I would play it out.

So Nancy Grace loved the book. She hates Robert Durst, obviously. She's really tough on violent criminals and all that. you know how she is you hate everybody right yeah so yep yep everybody equally she's over the top but that's what makes her like you know attracted to people as a talking head because you never know what kind of crazy crap she's going to say next right so you know i think the lady who killed the baby was called top bomb or something the one of Orlando yeah case anthony yeah can't refer to her as top bomb you know you know it was just horrible but so i had a lot

of attraction on that, and then I started writing about Glynn Maxwell. Now, I've been counseling for many years over something that happened to me at the house at her hands and being drugged. I wrote my book about her called Glynn, sensational and impure. I started going through counseling in prison. The next thing you know, they're blowing up in the media because Epstein is getting arrested. She's worried about it, and that's one of the things she told me. She wanted to eliminate Epstein. This is years ago. She said, he's going to be the death of me, you know, And it was all kinds of problems between me and her at the very end of our unfortunate relationship. But so I started when you were out.

This is when you were out. You were friends with her? Right. I met her through Epstein, who I met when I was at a fence. I was at a fence's place of business in Palm Beach on Worth Avenue. Real quick, this fence had some of the jewelry from Windridge and some other places. some on consignment, some he was buying out right from me. I'm not going to

say his name now. He's passed away, but he had a diamond salon on second floor on Worth Avenue. I went up in a salon. This shows you how I won't explain how I met Jeffrey Epstein. I go in there, I got stuff with me again. I'm a future there from some other case, you know, because I don't have a habit of jumping bomb

in that go to court. So I've always wanted for something in those days, right? And I see he's with somebody, and that person has a young teenage girl with him. And they're talking. I told him, you know, take care of your business. And I acted like I was just looking through the case on the other side of the slump.

He has, like, celebrities in there, heads of state, all kinds of people shop at this guy's place. Diamonds are gigantic. Just tripping would not stop diamond jewelry. I know if you know Worth Avenue, it's like Rodeo Drive for Palm Beach. It's just the highest end of the highest end. So I'm in there. And all of a sudden, I see the guy. The girl looks like Joni Foster from TaxiGubour.

fiber. Pretty much exact, like a doppelganger, they call it. Yeah. He looked at about 14, 15 years old, though. Next thing I know, I guess he didn't hear me there or didn't forgot I was there. I see his hand on her butt and then sliding in the back of her shorts. And I know no matter what the circumstances is, that shakes underage and this guy is a creep. So I just bided my time, cleared my throat and he stopped doing it. But when they left, I told my friend, I said, hey, I'll be right back. I'm going to go grab lunch. And I followed him. I was going to confront him. Unwanted. I've got a gun on me. I've got a silencer on.

I've got a bunch of stolen jewelry on me. But I'm always well dressed. I think I probably had a suit on at that time, whatever. I followed him up the road. He went to Taboo. I don't know if you know the famous restaurant taboo. He went in there. I followed him in there.

I got another table. I called him over. He didn't even want to talk. And I said, hey, you were in such and such a lot a few minutes ago. And I confronted him about what happened. And he tried to talk his way out of it. I said, if I want to be an asshole, he said it was his niece and they're playing around. I said, if I want to be an asshole, he's got videos all in that place.

You're definitely on video with your hand down that shakes shorts. And she's not an adult. Okay, I don't care. What you're doing in the public, what you're into? I don't judge it your life. I said, but that's a kid. You know, and he was talking his way out of it. And I guess he suspected he was going to be confronted with that because I said, you know, come over and then I went to his table.

I said, do you only favor join me at my table privately for a minute? And he just sat there like, well, smug look, and whispered to her. So I'm pretty sure he realized he was about to be confronted and prepped her from what he was going to say to me. Because I told him, I pulled the gun, I said, you're going to sit right here. I told Epstein sit at the table and don't freaking move. And I said, I'm serious. I got nothing to lose. Don't move.

And I said, because if you do, it's going to end badly. I said, the best thing that can happen to use the cops show up and see those videos. So he stayed there. I went over to talk to her. Same thing. She said, oh, you know, it was niece. We play like that. I'm 18.

I says, you're not 18. And she gave me some name. I forget now. I says, you're not 18. I said, and that's not cool. He's a piece of shit. You need help getting away from him. I'll take you wherever you need to go.

You know, and she's like, no, no, no. Seriously. So she had her story prepped by him probably a few seconds before. And that's how I met him. So he's the same way like thirst, like all of these people that I've met over the years. You know, they try to, especially if they're middle of doing something dirty and I'll being forceful with them. I try to portray

something I really don't want to do, but I'll make people think I'm going to do it. Right. So I will have the gun and the silencer a lot of times in the briefcase when I want to see fences, open it on their counter.

They'd see that piece sitting there. And they would think twice, you know, it was not the kind of person I want to try to screw over. If cocaine deals, go to see Colombians, Cuban, same thing.

I'd open a bag, I'd put the piece to the side. I'd dig for the cashier. They'd say, okay, would build, you know, it just gets people pause because I did a lot of stuff alone and you need to have something. If you don't have backup, you need to have some kind of intimidation factor going on. So New York attitude and the visual of the piece. So we exchanged information.

I told me I was a jewelry wholesaling. I was, oh, I buy a lot of jewelry and he gave me his number. And that's how I stayed in touch with him. And then you read the book, how things played out at the house and some of the videos I ultimately saw and how resentful he was that I had pulled the gun on him in a public place. You know, he was really, it was bothering him for so long

that he turned the tables on me one time in the house with one of the security detail and I was trapped in a room and we were arguing and that he was showing me like how many people he owned and I saw some videos.

I detail who's on some of the videos I personally saw and some of them you've seen the news, some of them you haven't. I'm one of the few people in the world that's actually laid eyes on these black male videos. And I literally, I've been in counseling for many years about it. I've talked to the victim rights attorneys. And then after what Glenn did to me, they were trying

to get me, I would see traffic. I would see traffic. There was girls coming and going from the house all the time. And I told him and her, I said, what all these girls coming and going all the time? I said, they look pretty young. He said, oh, no, they're models and they're giving him a massage and this and that. And then I'm fooling around with Glenn once in a while. She started to open up to me about a lot of things. She had adult assistance. We had threesomes. Everything was fine. But I'm always sensed like being recorded in this freaking house. So when they're inviting a third woman to the bed and it was one of these young girls, I'm like, no, I said, I don't feel comfortable with that. They, to me, they're underage. And I don't believe you that they're not. I think he was

trying to catch, get me on a video with them also turning the tables about me putting him on the spot that day and trying to find a way to blackmail me or keep me quiet and whatever. And I would never went for it, but I was back there a few times, and one of the last times, like I said, it's in the book. I left with some things, which ultimately were taken back by law enforcement, and between that and some of those early victims coming forward, nobody did a thing to these people. They will continue to get away with it for years and years and years. So that book blew up if you Google William Steele with like Prince Andrew, you know, Hillary Clinton, you You Google my name with, you know, when Glenn Maxwell, you see all the articles come up about my book and the revelations of what I did with this stuff.

The fact that I've been talking to the attorneys for years about it, I didn't want a thing. I didn't want to, I was technically a victim of hers because some of the stuff that happened was when I was, when I was drugged. I didn't know I was realized I was drug. But I'm a guy, you know, and, you know, who's going to complain about two women drugging you and having their weight with you, you know, because it was consensual until it wasn't. Right. so there's that. But I never really want, I said the best I would do with these lawyers. If you want anything about what I saw on the videos, I would testify to that at civil hearings and all that. Whether it was your client or not, I don't know. I can maybe look at some of the pictures and

let you know if I saw some of them. And then I've been counseling for years over it because once one of the news and I realized how many people started dying by coming forward against them in the Clintons, you know, I don't know how much you're going to be able to air of this part of it on your channel, but the certain thing, huh? We'll see. Yeah, I was on Sean Atwood, okay?

And he had been de-platform for talking about Andrews so much, and then naming some of the victims in the UK, there's different rules there than there are here. So he got the platform, and like, his fans had to get involved in the restore his platform after I think a few months. But he's had me on twice. Both times they went

viral. There's a clip of him saying, my God, William Steel, every time you come on is two, three hundred thousand views. So he's, he's, he's invited me to London to come on and do some shows. But he loves it because he's been up there rear end for years of Prince Andrew and Maxwell. And I come out of prison telling my story with a book in hand, you know, and approve from the attorneys and everything. My current guest co-hosts is Samantha Markle, Megan Markle's sister, Prince Harry's sister, a gym of a human being. Megan's a horrible human bit I know that's what I'm saying

Like she's that's what I'm saying She's just everything I see about her And you know Prince Henry apparently Goes along with everything she says I mean that It's Oh it's ridiculous

I don't know how that happened The guy had a world in his feet If he couldn't take on all the royal duties That were required He probably could have said Hey I have some PTSD from the war And killing all these halibes had you brag out all the time you know um to tell the queen look you know can you give me half the

duties that i normally would have why abandon that lifestyle like you get out of your mind why and why be with a woman that mocks what your family has done for generations and generations and mocks the people that you're you know mocks an institution that is that is you know a thousand years old and and you know like who are you who do you think you are every family has bad and weird stuff going on, but overall, I think they've done a lot of goods, and they can do good and improve. I mean, it's just disgusting. She just wants to be an A-list. Now, there's things I know now from talking to Samantha that I cannot say on the show.

I made me talk to you privately. But there was reasons that Samantha and her father were not invited to the world wedding when she married Harry, and they're nothing like what Megan's putting out. They have so much on Megan that would, like, blow the Internet up again if they released it. And I love their whole We just want to be left alone But we're going to go on this mega tour And write a book And do a do a documentary

And you don't sound like someone Who wants to be left alone Like you're not What are you doing That South Park episode I think made fun of all that It's the worldwide privacy tour Leave us alone My reality show

In Italy Which now has 11 million views On TikTok alone A fan says you're blowing up on TikTok I said what the hell is TikTok I've been in prison at my life He turned me on to it When I got out of prison

I was living with a wacky Seventh-day eventist couple She was a pen pal for years Totally innocuous I knew she was married I wasn't hitting on her Trying to get some crazy conversation going They had this

They agreed to let me stay there And we agreed to film the A&E show there About what it's like to get out of prison And I had a whole recidivism down By adequate housing When you get out This sign they made was on my bedroom wall no drinking or drugs no smoking no strip clubs or bars

when or overnight no R-rated movies pornography no take of the Lord's name and man oh my gosh yeah this is this is excessive okay that's on episode one the second I walked out we were in COVID lockdown I gained weight I was pale as a ghost I hadn't had a haircut for a year guys were dying all around me friends of mine died I came out and had a screwing up condition and I'm filming I get cameras on me the whole first day when I look like crap feel like crap all I want to do is laid out right you get the bath or something get my hair

cut off I walk into this bedroom with that on the wall I says I feel like I'm being prank now I can't give away much because he can't give away spoilers per my contract but that's out of one of their trailers anyway so the rule board's on my wall I have a freaking unicorn light light light they painted the walls like a peach or pink color where the hell it was I have, like, girly blankets and comforter on there. I'm like, what are you guys doing? You know, I just got out of prison. What are he trying to...

But I couldn't have houseguess anyway, so nobody could see the room but me. Right. Holy crap, this is on national television. But then, you know what? Here's how I played it. I'm like, you know what? I live with the weirdest people in cellmates in prison. You know, you don't always get to pick them, though, once in a while you can.

I could deal with that crap. I could deal with these two people that would just give me a hard time. Right. And the husband, if you saw him, Mark, he's like, oh, I was just trying to test you. And I'm like, dude, you're a weirdo, and you've never done a second of time in your life. And you don't know much about my background, because I know your wife will longer than I know you. And you don't test somebody coming out of prison. You try to give them their space and help them.

You know, they got to decompress. You don't test them with girly stuff all over in a freaking bedroom. So I just wanted to show you that. Getting back to the shirt, if you look at almost all of my sit-downs, when the producers sit you down and they say, tell us how you felt when he walked in the room and he saw how they prepared it for you, you know, after 18 years in prison, Bill, you know.

So what happened? So, what, let's go back to your story. So what, I mean, how ultimately did you, you ended up in prison for, in federal prison for what reason? I was in state, only state. I was a state for burglary, grant theft, fleeing. Oh, I thought you were in federal prison. No, I never made it to the fence.

Unfortunately, I, I, I just did the hellacious trip through the state system, you know, loaded with probably a lot of the same stuff you have there, but a lot, probably a lot worse conditions. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. What state? I was in Florida. I got transferred as an escape risk to interstate compact to Virginia, and I got released from Virginia. They had been a supermax, you know, escaped from prison, but I didn't do anything fancy. But because they knew my background, locks meant the alarm technician burglar, you know, could open locks, I would go on trips.

transferred in Florida from one prison to another, I would generally take something with me. They have these ID clips, you know, assemble them with the metal, some of the plastic ones. Right. People ones have that spring. I'd get that spring out. You better at a certain way you can open the cuffs with it pretty easily. There's ways to file them down, pick the, so I get transferred with the immobilization black box on. You know, I'm overweight.

I got a little bit of a stomach. So now the black box and the cuffs are cutting into here. I mean, you've been on trips where you had all that damage in your wrist. right? And in my case, they throw an electric belt on me for good measure because I'm escape risk. So they have a remote control. And if they want to be jerks or if you do something stupid, they just hit the remote and 100,000 volts to your spine is going to pretty much drop anybody. Then, of course, the leg irons. In my case, sometimes in the Supermax, they would even have, after all that stuff was put on, they had these mittens so you couldn't pick blocks.

Because sometimes I'll sell my trips for the hell of it. I, you know, Florida's a long, say, you might be on that bus, 12 hours, 16 hours, going to different facilities, waiting for everybody to get on and off and all that nonsense. I would spit that out, pick the padlock that was on the chain, get that chain threaded through everything, take the black box off, and then pick the handcuffs and free my hands up for the trip. Because I knew my destination, and when we got to figure we were an hour out or half hour out from where I needed to go, I just put all the restraints back on

and lock myself back up. So I did that a couple of times. Anyway, all these shenanigans cost me four years, four and a half years in Supermax. There's Supermax in Florida, Santa Rosa. It was almost 23-7 lockdown. You never really get out. Sellmates once in a while, usually solitary. And then when I got transferred to Virginia, they were supposed to be over with the solitary.

Two years enough, right? Non-violent offender. No, Virginia thought it was a good idea to stick me in solitary and a Supermatch for another two years. So I did a lot of time in Salisbury confinement. It was during that period I really got into the Bible. I really got into writing my stories and trying to think, how can I turn this around to help people? I'm sick of this crap.

And some guys commit suicide under those circumstances. You know, they hurt themselves. They'll throw feces at the guards. I was never like that. I was always trying to help guys get signed up for GD. I was a tutor. I was taking college courses. I was fighting for college courses for everybody, including myself.

I took some courses with Washington and Lee University. They came into one of my presence. That's an Ivy League school. I got college credits from them. And I started writing my books, screenplays, and just, you know, just really, what am I going to do when I get out? And I heard about guys who come out with these backgrounds, you can't hide your background anymore. So I was like, you know what, let me just do what some of these guys I've heard about are doing and start like a true crime channel, maybe with inspirational twist where I'm talking about guys who turn their life around. And I try not to make it strictly too crime.

You know, if the guys are just bragging about his past, but there's no redemption story, no, you know, I'm doing better now. But if we're still talking that way, like he's wanting to do things, I try not to have them on my show because a lot of guys want to be on my shows. But I want to see how you cleaned it up. Are you talking to kids? Are you writing a book? Are you thinking of writing a book? I'll help you write a book. Right.

See, I try and do it the other way. If they're too preachy and too over it and too, then I try. I'm like, listen, I don't hear all that. What'd you do? What happened? Well, here's the dilemma I find is that I, okay, and I'm not going to say scriptures, but there's joints in for a season, right? Okay, we all heard that expression.

So, of course, what we're doing is really exciting at the time. Look at the consequences. My life has screwed up. Your husband was screwed up. Oh, yeah. Family was missing. You heard it. Like, what are you thinking?

You're a smart guy. You've heard it all, right? Oh, listen, I always love the idiot to go, you know, well, do you regret it? Like, are you, of course I regret it. Or the guys are like, no, because it made me the person that I am today. I'm not in my 50s. Like you're starting your life over in your 50s with nothing. The person I am today sucks.

Right. Yeah, I don't say it like that. I definitely regret the things I've done. The problem I ran into early on starting my YouTube channel for your audience, please hit subscribe. It's a way of still true crime. I'm trying to build my numbers up like everybody else. but one of the problems I ran across early on

is like I did like two lives during the A&E show when my reality show was airing constantly I was on Shaw Sank Redemption and have a commercially and see my picture but I did a live I correspond with a lot of fans I have millions of fans and I'm like always in touch for people try to be nice

you probably know how it is I'm new to this I'm getting like catfish from all over the world you know hey handsome you know they try to sell you Bitcoin or my phone broke going to send me money. Right. So I'm starting a channel soon where it's going to be like, I just keep working the hell out of them.

I let them run their whole scam down. And then let's get to put a show about it. Because I torture these people now. I have, I have something for all of them. But anyway, I just turn the tables on them. I had fans, legitimate good fans, like turn on me in the beginning a little, a little bit because I'd only watch a portion of it when I'm telling my story in my background and they would tune out.

Oh, I heard this guy turn his life around, but now he's bragging about, you know, hitting the Varro's house. He's bragging about these heists or fencing. And I didn't want to come across as like, I want to, I always want to interject that I'm not bragging about my past. I'm telling it to you to show you how far I've come.

Right. That's the reason I put it out there, but some people don't listen long enough to get to that for it. No, people are jerks. You know, I, listen, for every you know, for every 95 people, there's always one or two guys that's just going to be a jerk. Even if you said all

the right things, then he would say, you're only saying that because, you know, it's like, okay, well, you're just a hater, so I don't focus on that guy. Listen, the network, A&E network has a moderation team and a legal team. They always told me, if you pick up trolls or anybody threatening you over the show or any of your involvement in our show, we handle that. Don't deal with anybody on your own. Just let us know. Ignore it, but if it gets to a certain level, let us know.

So it's hard. I'm from the streets in New York. It's hard for me to ignore with somebody's talking crap. You know, I have guidance, and I have the help I need to do it properly. So my girl's in two episodes. She's freaking gorgeous. She has a smile of Julia Roberts. She looks like a freaking Kardashian.

My girl's dropped dead gorgeous. She's in two episodes and more things coming forward, which I can't discuss. But somebody says something about her, and that guy was persistent, and I dealt with him in Messenger, what I thought was private. So in that he bates me up, and I said, listen, you freaking coward, you're hiding in your mother's basement. You know who I am. You know what I was. I've changed my life. I said, if you don't like it, you know where to find me. You know exactly where we're filming and how to find me. I don't hide for my fans. And I said, you're the drunk, you know, 35 years old hiding in your mother's basement. So this guy reported me like everywhere. Baseball, K&E. He called me out.

And I said, I got back to him. I said, you're such a freaking coward. You bait me up. I told you about yourself, I didn't threaten you, and you went like a little, you know, like a little bitch running around to deport me. Right. But that's what they want to do. Like that, that's their goal. So, you know, you can't plow into it. That's the whole, that's the

purpose. They're trying to get you fucked up. That's what my girl says. He says, they wanted to see that they got under a reality star skin and that they had some interaction with you so they could have that when they talking, drinking much. Just interaction. It's like a little kid.

behaving badly. So mommy, even if mommy's going to come over and slap them or yell at them or scream at them, just to get some reaction, just to get some attention. Yeah. I've said that for some people, negative attention is better than no attention at all. Yeah. And I get those guys, you know. And sometimes when I say stuff back to them, just a little bit of interaction. And, you know, a lot of times I'll do the whole, I'm sorry you'd feel that way, bro. You know, probably should check out another channel. And, you know, Yeah, I disagree with you.

And a lot of times they'll come back and they'll say, they'll be like, nah, bro, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's like they just want that interaction. I have one of these main guys on these mob shows, like a big, huge guy who's kind of blowing up. But a lot of people say he's a phony too, not even going to say this guy's name.

But I know that mutual friend got me on his show. And he wanted, then he told me he wants $200 going to show. I said, listen, I'm new at this. I'm still struggling. Don't think because I have a reality. It's so wealthy, you know, because they pay much for, I can't say what they pay, but it's not a lot for somebody just coming out of prison initially anyway. I said, so I bring you numbers because I'm well known.

You're bringing me some more exposure, so it's kind of quit pro quo. He didn't see it like that. And so the guy who referred said, no, no, no, even with his fee, I told him I take care of it, but that's how much I want to see you succeed, Bill. This guy called me every name in the book, but he's out there as Christian, talking about his testimony, the big cross, this, that. And I'm like, you're the kind of Christian why people went away from Christianity.

Yeah. I says, to here you are, I got a big string of you threatening me through Messenger. You're going to beat my ass. I said, well, I call it front or why I grew up? You'd be known as a freaking a roid-raged clown. That's all you are as a clown to me. To me, you're a fake Christian.

That's between you and God. But you're the reason that people don't want to, you know, really look to God for things because they see hypocritical examples. myself included I'm not perfect but I said so here's a guy that everybody thank God somehow fell in love with me that everybody's giving me props when I thought in prison I'd have no life I'd have no woman I like I'm getting older I lost my freaking hair I lost my you know my figure you know so I gained all this way so I

didn't want to do the online deity I thought I lost there that was miserable you know how it is you truly I don't know who stood by you if you had your girl your wife family in my case my term might they're back on me to steal my hair They ended up taking $800,000 from me. They told my mentally ill mother I was dead and that had her signed over trust agreement. She took everything. I'd been in litigation with them still. And so I was coming out pretty destitute when I was walking out.

And you got people like, you know, this guy's like knocking me when everybody's trying to support me and saying, Bill, I'd love to have you on a show. I don't know how much of my show you actually watched on A&E, but it's streaming on A&E, MH roommate. And, you know, you'll see how horribly these people treated me. I saw like the one they locked you out of the house where they're they're giving you a hard time about the rules and you're like, well, how like, are you serious? Like what, you know, they were all. And, you know, even though they were trying to be this, this good Christian family, they came off very odd, bro. Yep. They were odd people.

They told their pastor, their church, that they were starting a mission house to help people, one of the time who would getting released from treatment or prison to help them for a few months get on their feet at no charge. But then you'll see it on the show, they're presenting me with like a $2,700 bill for rent and utilities and food and this and that. I was already screwed up physically from being locked down for COVID. And so they're vagans and expected me to be vegan. I had no car. They would speed buy places. I had my girls send me a few bucks, you know, just to get me on my feet. But I was trying to really budget that at the beginning. I couldn't go to the church in my choice. They wanted to take me to their church.

They wouldn't stop even in a fast-free restaurant. I'm saying, listen, I don't want to eat vegetables all day long. I'm sure it's healthy. God bless you. And yes, maybe I'll do that a few days a week. But I want a freaking steak. I like lasagna. I just got out of prison.

Like, bring me by McDonald's. You know, bring me by something. They would speed by. If I said, please pull over that Taco Bell, this restaurant, whatever it was. There's an episode. It came out that I couldn't eat me. and you'll see the one episode where I'm hiding. I made a cold cut sandwich.

I'm hiding in my bedroom. It's a beautiful house where I was staying. They have gorgeous like Mini Mansion from the 1800s, fully renovated. And I got a gorgeous bedroom, beautiful bathroom. I'm in there hiding on a toilet like I'm in prison, eating a freaking cold cut sandwich, wrapping it up. I got that and a nice tea on the floor vent with the air conditions coming in. And they're filming me.

I said, this is so ridiculous. I got to eat this freaking meat in the bathroom because I can't have it in the house. I'm not supposed to have it in the house. I'm not supposed to put any meat in the refrigerator. You know, so there's an episode. It's called The Meat Police. And it's all about denial of meat. So it exploded on the internet.

Hashtag Meat Police. Hashtag free bill. You know, fans would say, hey, Bill, go back to the prison and knock on the door, tell the warden he won't back in. I had a blast, man. But, you know, there's probably, I can't, a lot of fans are asking me about a season two. can't officially go there, but you want a season two, contact A&E, love my fans. Anyway, so I'm blessed that I really feel that I need to use the platform I'm being given

to build what I've been trying to do. I told the network, I said, I'll participate in one condition, goes in my contract. I get to talk about what I'm doing post incarceration, which is building my channel and writing books. Right. Yeah, I know, they always those contracts, they always want, you know, oh, you can't do any social media, you can't do any platforms, you can't, is it, man, what are you nuts? Like you can only be on television if it's our show.

It's like, stop. I'm not doing all that. Right. I don't feel like I can do any of the shows at the moment as far as like, you know, full-blown. Right. But, I mean, they'll try and stop me from doing podcasts. Yeah, I could do movies. I could do my own podcast.

I got some movie offers right now. One of them, my friend, he's making a movie. They're putting out Mob King in Florida. That's about the release in a few days. Actually, today they're at the Hard Rock in Hollywood doing the premiere. and then on the 26th, I think this weekend is when it actually airs. I was given a full copy of Mob King to review. I gave it five stars.

Great freaking movie. Shout out the Cyril Deposio and Anthony Colleendo. He backed the movie and he started it. So this guy, he says Anthony Colliando was a prisoner. Not a prisoner. He was a mobster in Chicago when he was young. His family was in the mob. He turned his life around.

Now he's the big cheese, Calyendo Foods. He's a very successful guy. I always wanted to be an actor. He's got the Italian looks. and so he's back the movie and got a starring role in it and Cyril did a lot of time in prison of Florida.

He owned nightclubs in Miami turn his life around now he's making movie after movie. So these guys are releasing Mob King. You guys, you'll see a lot about Mob King coming up in the next few days. But anyway, I'm on the same path until I tease zero.

I said, you know, I'm on your heels you've been out a few more years ahead of me but I've already got a screenplay and got an offer for a drama series. I have a reality show. You know, I'm kind of proud of those accomplishments, but I do recognize the need to use them to help people. I try to get people a voice. J.C. Capone, great guy in the Bronx.

He's got Parkinson's. What an inspirational guy. If you check out his channels, he's got a big cigar in his mouth, and he cares about his kids. He's trying to raise awareness for Parkinson's. And he postsfunded his own illness, you know, but he goes, I shake like this all day. And, you know, because I'm from the Bronx and I'm Italian, they think I'm just. doing one of these, like, hey. So he makes fun of himself, you know.

So I have great guests on, you know. Another guy, someone was murdered. He's a professor in Orlando, and DeSantis won't do a thing to see the murder of prosecutor. Instead, the guys in West Palm running around with a gun still to this very day, because DeSantis won't move on the case. So we're trying to bring the, it's a Sandy Modell, the murder of Ryan Modell in, it was Fort Myers, Lee County, whatever.

And it was a horrible thing He knocked on the wrong door This kid was with the college To develop better pacemakers And become an engineer with those Because his mother died of a heart attack So he's a really good kid And he was moving back home

To his father's house after graduating After landing a job And one last thing that he had In Lee County He was living in a beautiful condo complex Had a few drinks with his friend by the pool One o'clock in the morning He's only in his swim trunks

the buildings are all identical in this place he's trying to get in the wrong door because he's at the wrong building not his place the guy opens he's got a gun on his hand with his wife says why he's trying to get in my house at one or the morning and I live here you know we were just out by the pool and they said look we know who you are you'd live down there you know get away from my door

the people were irritated right so bottom line he slammed the door on him they cut his foot because he tried to step in the place and cut his toe so he walked away He walked towards this building. He was hosing his toe off. They called 911,

the people, said, hey, a guy just tried to get in here. And the wife said, well, we know who he is. He's just drunk, you know, be careful when he come here. And they told the guy, stay in the house. Don't pursue him. Stay locked in your house. We're sending the police to look into this to make sure. Right. Okay.

End the story. Instead, the guy waits five minutes, goes out, hunts him down at 2 o'clock in the morning, almost 2 o'clock in the morning, finds him sitting on the grass, hosing his toe off. puts the laser sight on his head from a Glock 10 millimeter. He stands up. He says, man, get that out of my thing. And as soon as he stood up, the guy executed him, killed him.

Guess what they called it in Lee County, standing ground. How does that stand your ground? You don't have stand your ground when you pursue somebody. When the incident's already over, when the police told is stay safely locked in your house, will come. You can't pursue somebody and then claim standing around. It has to happen while your life's in danger in your house if you kill somebody. you know so we're trying to help raise awareness to this case Sandy Modell the murder of Ryan Modell

and trying to get the Santis to step in and do something about it he told Professor Modell that he was going to it but he won't do it so we're putting out stuff now to how soft on crime desantis is he's soft on violent crime I know he doesn't like that we put a video out he's put a book out he gives the book away free about the case anyway how I met Samantha

Markle might interest you. Her attorney is also Donald Trump's attorney, Peter Tickton. He's in Delray Beach. The lawyer you want between you and your problems. Anyway, Peter is a good friend of mine. He helped me when I was in prison who tried to get the commutation and emergency release for COVID, all this nonsense we try when we're trying to get out. And Peter's just a really good guy.

He went to the military academy with Trump. I call him up all the time. He says, you know, I'm representing Samantha Marky, who Megan is. said, yeah, but I don't follow all that loyal gossip and stuff, you know, but I noticed some animosity. He says, I'm the one that's filed a lawsuit, and we're going to be naming Netflix and Oprah as well because they knew what they were putting on their shows was false. And these people, Megan and Harry were executive producers on the Netflix, and Oprah tried to weasle out of it and say, well, I pulled the show down where the stuff came out.

That was not true. That show you can't find it. It's been scrubbed. We have copies of it. But she told, Megan was saying, well, my sister this, my sister, that. So then Oprah said, well, basically, so her book is a book of lies, something along those lines. A tanked Samantha's book sales, right? The publisher stole all the royalties that they were sitting on and then never gave them back to her.

And they said that she was on a watch list in the UK couldn't get into the UK or to Buckingham Palace, that she was unstable. Samantha was unstable. Samantha lost her job over that. I can't get one to this day because that's all you've got. Google is that Samantha's on a watch list. She had to hire a lawyer to go with MI5 or MI6, whatever it was, get proof from them that she's on no such watch list. So because of all these lies that Megan and Harry had been putting out, they're getting sued.

And Oprah's, well, I'm just a journalist. I was letting my guests talk and, you know, I was just contributing. She's not off the hook because as executive producer, she has liability for what she lets go out. Right. Oprah's, it's like this close. She's named in the admitted complaint went out a few weeks ago. And that amended complaint got like hundreds of millions of views on the internet.

As Samantha was nice enough to give me the first copy of it put it out. So I beat everybody the whole planet with a new copy of that lawsuit. They put it out everywhere. So it beat bus feed and this one and that were all the ones that are like paying off the clerk of court to try to get copies of things. I beat them all. I said, let me have a copy. I'll be able to be first. I'm trying to keep blowing up.

So it got me a lot of attention. And you're doing a YouTube podcast with her or? We do what you're doing right now. I've interviewed her for about six hours about her life and her situation with her sister and the royal family. Well, she loves the royal family. She just really despises what Megan and Harriet Dunter. But so she's got Mike Masters degree as in criminal justice and psychology. So what we decided to do is while the lawsuit pending has put most of the focus on her coming on as a co-host and we talk about big cases in,

the media right now or cases of interest to her to me and we discuss cases where sometimes we have I don't have the calling capability yet or whatever it's called super chats working on that right like people can comment in and we throw it up on the screen we answer the questions and forget um so we've been doing a couple of those yeah she does shows all the time but she does other shows then I've started a PR firm and uh I said look you would you like to meet my first client to the PR room is she said sure she said I used to help prisoners getting out you've been nothing but good to me and you're Peter's friend and she's my first official PR client that's that's pretty cool so like if people want her on shows they can go through she finds

her own too you know it's not like exclusive but I could certainly get her on shows if you want to have her I could talk to her for her I don't know what she talk about though you'd like want to hear like if she killed somebody I don't think she ever has um yeah I'll think about that. I'll have to figure that, think about that. Let me tell you about this fancy escape. You might get a kick out of this story. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Okay, so you were locked up, and how did the escape out? Years ago, so I worked my way, this is before I had, I was not a violent offender. I had already, in another bid, knew how to, because I was a law clerk, had to work my custody down and start working in the community. So this gave nothing fancy, but everything that happened boring it is crazy. I used to pretty much escape routinely. I would go meet a girl, do it, and then come back in time for count, depending if I was police or out on the road.

Everybody does that. But in Florida, if you do that, it's still escape, it still carries 15 years, possible 30. In this particular instance, we actually were working on the side of the road. I told the, I got ready to do the, to walk off that morning. I had some family problems. My brother-in-law died.

Nobody told me I was pissed off because he and I were close. And I was just, I had three years left on a 10-year sentence. The stupidest thing I ever did in my life, this thing. Three years on a 10-year sentence. Yeah, I know how the dogs work. So I took, like, Gold Bond foot powder. I took my sheets and all my dirty clothes.

I threw them in the trash in the restroom and all my stuff, my locker. I put foot powder all over it. I took all my addresses out the day before, tore them up, flush them. And I left with a sock tied inside my pants, with like triple I on a bidecoyant, man, a cigarette lighter, a bunch of phone numbers that I needed. Because when you go to work outside, I was working outside the gate 20 miles from the prison.

They would take us every morning at like 6 in the morning. But they could pat you down if they wanted to. And if they would have seen that stuff on me, they would have had a, you know, I would have got locked up for attempt to escape. But anyway, I ran late to the gate, so they're paging me, you know, report to the gate, report to the gate. I go, it's the worst officer in the planet running the gate.

I'm like, oh, crap, we get shook down for sure going up. He just says, get out of here. I'll have time to shake you down. You're holding everybody up. I took, and we left. And you know how inmates saw. They don't want to be in your business. Hey, man, you're holding us up.

We try to sit around. Wait, for your adult ass. Let me shut that freak up. You know, so we drove the law, my understanding of law, if you escape from private property, it's absconding. It's not technically escape, but if, if I'm on a, but they don't take you on private property. You're working on the side of the road.

you're working at the beach, you're working at the police department, painting the courthouse, whatever they're doing. So in this instance, we were working down to South Florida by a bridge washout, and we were putting dirt under the bridge, and when the trucks were dumping the stuff, I told the boss, the officer supervising us, he had a call checks into the prison every 15 minutes that he saw all of us. He laid eyes on us. So it was every two hours, but then other guys walked off all over the state. So now I get ready to go. It's every 15 minutes. I'm like, good. I only have a 15-minute window before the dogs show up and the U.S. morsels and all this crap.

So I told him, I got to go to the bathroom. We pull it to a Dunkin' Donuts. He's going to get donuts. The Florida uniforms have the white stripe down the blue uniform. They have the white stripe down the leg. Yeah. He says, I said, I can't let you use the Dunkin' Donuts bathroom in. Just wait for me a second.

And he said, you got the stripe on your leg. When we get to the bridge, there's toilet paper in the truck. Go under the bridge and go over there. I'm not taking inside the store with that uniform on. I said, I understand. So when he left, I opened the door and stepped out. I was going to dip right there because I'm on private property. Who stops me?

The freaking inmates are I with. What do you doing, man? Get in the truck. Get in the truck. Boss man. Sit this and out. I said, you ever hear a story staying out of somebody else's business? I slammed the door on them, you know, because they were just running their mouths.

And I said, well, if I walk 10 feet from this truck, they're going to jump out and catch me for the lousy $100 that they'll get from the investigator for stopping escape, you know. That's what they get. They give them like $100 more to stop and escape. And I said, this is crazy. I couldn't do it. We got to the work site. We're working under the bridge.

They're dumping another load of dirt down there, surrounded by multi-million dollar homes. It's right near the intercoastal. And so then when they dropped the dirt, we had to shovel it under the grid and tamped in to secure the bridge. But on breaks, I think it was going over, it might have been to India River. Forget the name of the body water. Anyway, so as we're taking the break, I said, can I go down? He says, yeah, go. I go down.

The guys are hanging out under the bridge, away from the truck dumping. And I said, hey, I'm going to go over there and he's a red. Oh, man, let's go. We don't get to know that. I says, okay, you want to be my business every other time, you know? Right. I go over there, I strip out of my clothes. I wore out a pair of shorts also, brand new shorts, brand new white t-shirt.

I took all the state clothes off. I put him under my arm, and I went up the other side of the bridge, and at the railing, my supervisor's looking down at the work squad and the work way down below, and I'm four lanes of traffic on the other side, looking at him looking down. I'm at this back now. And this is my only chance you could have seen me if you turned around. So I hit some fences. I ended up in some backyards and go up the block. There's a, I tried to get a ride. Nobody was stopped.

I was going to say, hey, you know, I was jogging or whatever, and, you know, I got hurt. Can you please take me to a hospital? nobody would stop nice area you know i'm kind of sweaty so there was a meter reader riding a bicycle and he went between houses and i jumped on this guy's bike and i start pedaling like a hundred miles an hour and the next thing i hear hey hey get back here that's my bike i'm like crap man this thing's over before it begins right i beat him i go a mile up the road half a mile condominium complex i want to get off the road before now and looking for escape oh yeah by now They're, yeah.

I'm thinking they are. They weren't. And I'll tell you how I know that. So he's already calling 911. I just stole my bike in the meter area. I get to this complex. And I had taken a screwdriver from the truck before I left. So I could columnize a car, start a car of certain GM models.

I have a tilt wheel. You can crack the column and you can start them pretty easy. So I was looking for a certain model. I couldn't find one. And I was like, crap, man. I'd need to get out of here before they seal the area and bring the dogs to tracked me right here. I wasn't far from where I walked off. And he was supposed to be doing checks every 15 minutes and he was doing them, but he was not laying eyes on us. My discovery

later showed that he didn't notice me missing for close to an hour or like his fourth check after I was gone. The reason I know that is the guy calls it at this time as about his bike, let's say 9 a.m. He doesn't report me missing until like 10. I don't see him anymore. But I would already be gone all this time. Right. So he wasn't really doing checks. He was going through the motions, which gave me an hour, head start. The police told the guy, according to my discovery, we don't send police out for stolen bikes, come to the police department to make a report. Nice. Yeah, so they never came out. They never connected to the guy who just escaped because my supervisor wasn't calling it in. In this complex, I got to get out of here. I can't steal a car.

You know, I got the state blues rolled up under my arm. I see these two women talking in front of one of the units and I made up a story. I said, hey, can you tell me? I'm sorry to bother you. Is this the only instance into this complex? I'm waiting for a taxi. And we just moved in. We're renovating a unit all the way in the back. Oh, yeah, this is it. You know, and I said, well, my wife went into premature labor with our twins while she was at the orthopedic services. He made up this big story. And they're like, oh, boy, you know, and I said, and in the excitement, you know, me trying to get to the hospital, I locked myself out of the house and the car. The neighbor was leaving and let me call a taxi before he left, but the taxi

never showed up. And I was wondering, you know, if there's another interest in this complex. We didn't have missed him. And, you know, and she's like, no, we didn't see anybody, but I just put a load of laundry in and I have some time. I could drive you up to the hospital real quick. I know where it is. So the lady volunteered. And I was

just to escape from prison. So she said, she'll help me. I took the clothes. I said, when do you give me a bag for these? We're renovating and they have a sheet rock dust on them and stuff. She said, sure. So she'd probably out a bag. I tied the state clothes into a knot in the bag, put them at my feet, we jump on her car, we leave. We're driving around, US 1, South Florida, like Port St. Lucie area, all that section.

So as we're driving around, we go to one hospital. I want to lose her, and I'll just figure I'll steal a car there, right? At the hospital somewhere, there's big pocket lots everywhere, I'll grab a car and leave. I get to the hospital, she drops me off, and she wants to wait for me. And I said, no, no, no, you know, I'm here. Well, go ask you for you. information if she's here and let me know what's going on you know I feel safe for that way you're okay and you don't need to go somewhere else I couldn't first well first she took me to the orthopedic place I went through the motions came out said oh they took her to such and such hospital then we got to the hospital I came back out and I said they said they moved her to

another hospital that was like 11 more miles away it's too far I'm going to wait for a taxi here she goes no you're already in the car with me let's go I want to say the cat's up in your wife this poor lady was so nice she was like like an elder or something in her church and I'm like oh my god the guy's going to hit me with both the lightning over here so this the more lady's driving me around by this time yeah over an hour goes by the streets are flooded with the police looking for me helicopters going up and down us one at the side streets I don't have a vehicle they don't know that she's in a white vehicle the most common color car in south floor it's white right so I'm like really not of the

scrimp there's cops in traffic cops everywhere And finally, after like two or three hospitals, she said, there seems to be a lot of cops around here. She said, let me just pull one of them to the side and see if they could run your wife's name through the system and find out where they took her. Oh, let's not. Yeah, I said, I tell you what,

you see that patio furniture store right there? My uncle's the manager over there. If you just drop me off there, he'll let me use the phone and probably use his car and run around for an hour and figure this out. Okay, she said, but, and then I noticed it was closed as we, She pulled into there, but there was a bird king. So I said, I have diabetes.

I've got to get something in my stomach or hypoglycemia. I forgot what I told her. I said, I'm going to just go grab something to eat real quick and then walk through the lot to there. So she pulls me up. She says, you just said you locked your wallet and everything, and you lock yourself out of the house and your keys in the car and your wallet, how are you going to buy anything if she's taken out a $20 bill? Wow.

I just escaped from prison. This lady wants to buy my lunch. I cannot tell you, I felt like this big, you know, Alliance is a really wonderful human being. And, you know, I know you didn't see not coming at faith, but, you know, I was a Christian even then, you know, both the lightning, all this stuff. So she, I just, I kind of almost lost it and told her the truth, almost told her the truth. But, you know, I know better. And I said, I said, hey, I appreciate it. And she gave me her number and her card and everything.

and I said, I'll get back to you. She goes, don't worry about it, but just I like to see you guys at church one time. I meet your wife and the babies and all that stuff. And I said, getting out, she says, can I pray for you in your wife before you get out of the car? And I said, sure. We hold hands. And I said, before we pray, I got to tell you the truth. I can't go look at the prayer with something that's hanging over my ass.

Because what is it? I said, look, I do have an emergency, and I didn't either ride in an emergency situation, but it's not for what I told you and you're so nice and I'm really sorry I'm lied to you but I'll get the money back to you and thank you for the ride I didn't want to accept at the beginning

with you said well whatever it is you seem like a really nice guy hope it turns out okay I go into Burger King we say a prayer I go into Burger King it's getting crowded now right so there's cameras everywhere

I got stay closed under my arm still I look at the camera and I went like that like my signature move for all my celebrity shots and I go like that and I went like that to the camera so I knew it was going to be on the news any damn way because that's the last place I'm seen as I went to the men's room real quick washed out took all that stuff put it in the bottom of the can I threw a bunch of water on it so nobody can go digging in from my clothes you know and then I dry it up and I'm like okay I am hungry and I haven't had a burger 18 years but I said I'm going to get the hell out of here because she's going to go home and send

him right back here. Right? So what happens? I decide to leave. I'm looking for a car that I could possibly steal, but I'm at the door trying to hold it. Nobody trying to go out and nobody trying to come in. Well, a guy comes in. I hold the door for him. He goes, man, he says, are you okay? You look lost. I made up another immediate story. I said, I see that Mercedes right there? I said, I got myself locked out of the car. I've been waiting for the damn locksmith for 45 minutes. I have an appointment with my realtor, you know, coming up here in a few minutes, and I'm going to miss that. We're looking to move to Florida.

I'm looking for houses. And he goes, I'll tell you what, I'm about to have lunch. If you need to make the appointment with the realtor, I'll drive you down there. Where is it? And I always look for realtors. So I knew right where there was one, like another half mile away. And I said, well, it's that office such and such. And he goes, I know where it is.

I have a condo here. And I waited for him to get his lunch. And we jumped at his vehicle. as we're driving he says where are you staying and i think it was best western i said i'm staying at the best western you know my wife's going to be flying down soon and we're looking for a house you know three to four million dollar range on the water and he's like well he said i'm an associate pastor at my church and i'm like oh man here we grow up and so the guy was so nice and he says look you don't have to stay there at the hotel i have a condo and two extra bedrooms in it you can stay with me

for a couple days and see you straighten things out I'll drive you around until you get back in your car and everything. And I said, look, because I'm really suspicious of everybody. And I said, look, don't take offense at this, but I'm not buying. I'm not curious. There's nothing weird like that going on. It's seriously. He said, no.

I'm gay. Yeah. So I ended up going to this house for the man for his lunch. Meanwhile, let's go back to her. She gets to her place, right? I used a tracking dog to go from a place they escaped. Already the marshals, the sheriffs, the police, corrections officials, they're calling and all their off through the employees.

They locked down, the work camp and the main prison is complete locked out because I'm missing. And they tracked to there. And as they're talking to her neighbors and showing my wanted poster all around everywhere, a few hours after the hell, she pulls in, do-to-do-do-do, and she's pulled, the one lady she was with was questioned, oh, my God, he just drove. off with my friend. He said his wife was in the hospital. So they kind of, at the end, knew what car they were looking for.

So before she even got the final turn, and they kind of pull her out at gunpoint. You know, imagine these guys with probably shotguns and NP5s point to matter. She's like, what's going on? What's going on? I heard she almost had a nervous breakdown. God bless her.

I'm so sorry. But so they pull her out. You know, where is he? I didn't know. I didn't know. He lied to me to get an eye. I don't like God. and you know she said he's at the burger king so that became their next point but when i was getting

in this guy's pickup truck there was about five chicks and like bikinis in like an open jeep like with a top down like just like hanging out and i was like you know ladies you know this little flirtations i haven't seen a woman that close in 18 freaking years of course i said a load of them so when they questioned everybody at the burger king they said yeah he was here he was out the door for a minute he stepped out, they had the image, he got into a blue convertible Jeep with a bunch of women. Oh, nice. But I did. I got into this guy's pickup that was next to it.

But the women had everybody's attention in the restaurant. They're looking at all these hot chicks. Right. Yeah, so that kind of gave me another few minutes of head start, right? They were looking for the wrong vehicle, and they started pulling over, like, all the blue jeeps in three counties. So I go to his house, he's got a hat there. I says, hey, I've been getting burnt since I'm in South Florida. Can I wear that hat?

It happens to be a Yankee hat. I like the Yankees. Sure, I wear that. I put it on. He's going out. There's a neighbor coming home. He's in a walk-up condo, nice place. And I see the neighbor.

I don't want her to see my face because I know it's going to be all over the news, South Florida. So I act like I have trouble getting the seatbelt ball. And he comes back to the car. She's right. I said, no, your seatbelt stuck. But really, I was watching for her to go to her unit and leave. and not lay eyes on me. As soon as she left, I said, oh, I got it, and I follow him up, we go in.

Nobody's laid eyes on me, except for the Burger King. Get to his place. I actually just chilled out there. We talked. He had a group of barbecue that night. He gave me a key. I had the hat. And I said, hey, I like to watch some news and check out the local community, see what's going on around here.

I'll chill out with you to come back. He said, well, it's a barbecue of my church, and they don't really know you. So it's a little awkward bringing somebody, but, you know, you welcome to chill out here until I get home. Okay. While I'm there, he tries to call two or three times in this conversation on his voice. He's at a regular old school answering machine. He's saying, Bill, this is James. He said, are you still there?

What he said, are you still there? He had no reason to phrase it like that. I said, he knows something. He knows something. you saw a news pan And I'm watching the lead up to the news The lead up to the news Breaking E 5, Larry breaking in 6

You know Escape of a master burglar For South Florida's on Luz My picture everywhere on the promos And I'm like oh crap So I'm waiting for the news And he keeps calling I don't pick up the phone because I don't want to deal with it

I'm just trying to plot my next move Finally I took one of the calls And I say James, yeah I'm fine Yeah I was just in the bathroom or whatever And he says he says, hey, the lady that what was the house wants to talk to? She gets on, hey, Bill, I heard you from Chicago.

How long you'd been around? You know, what I didn't know is she had seen some of the promos and heard about the escape because all the school got locked down. Right. Yeah, so the whole community knew, and I was just hiding out, I didn't know everything yet until the news aired.

So she knew, and she knew it was a guy named Bill who was last seen at the Burger King. Not good. What does he told him? the barbecue. He picked up a guy named Bill at the Burry King. So she's like giving me the third degree. Oh, you're okay. You know, so how did you guys meet? I said, oh, this, that. And the other thing I just made up a series of stories. Oh, I said, I'm looking forward to meeting everybody at Church Sunday,

you know, certainly go. We're buying a house. And she said, on the discovery later, she said, something just wasn't right. It's the exact same name, first name, exact same time of day, exact same burger gang. This has to be the escapee. And James just isn't aware of who we invited it to his house. Right. She went through her next door neighbor who was a sergeant with the sheriff's office and ran it by and he said, it's definitely him. Like she went overnight.

Like she said, I couldn't even sleep. I was so concerned that this was an escapee. So she does this in the morning. And next thing, you know, he had come home that night with a lot of suspicion. The news was coming on. He wanted to watch it with me. And I'm like, okay. I said, oh, you know, it's okay.

but I really want to watch this show on History Channel. You know, I'm trying to come here at his TV so he doesn't watch it. And then I said, hey, do me a favor. I've been dying for a cup of coffee. You have a, you know, fancy coffee pot in there. It's a million people. I got, I deliberately took it apart with the pieces all over the counter. And I said, I don't know how to make it.

I'm just dying for a cup. Can you come in here and do it for me? And I waited for like 30 seconds before 5 o'clock news. Sure, Bill. They went there to do it. I muted my episode. And it was like me on every station. And he missed it because he was effing around making my cup of coffee.

But when I stepped out, he evidently grabbed his key back because I had it sitting in the hat on the couch. Right. Yeah. So I came back. The keys gone. I'm like, oh, he knows. So I said, hey, James, I said, I have set my key down in the Yankee cap here. Did you take it back?

If you want me to leave, I'll go right now. You know, if there's a, oh, God, I don't know where it is. So my question is, if he was that concerned, why didn't. and he called the police? He didn't want to believe it that he made that kind of mistake and was that, you know, I would call it gullible, whatever.

I just, he just didn't want to believe it. And I was, I'm over the top nice to people. You know, especially when I'm trying to do something like that. So he did you. And he did. Why did you stay? When he was gone, why didn't you pack up a bunch of his clothes

that fit you and grab anything that value? and head off. I was a law clerk and I did the legal math. Three years out of prison or while you're on escape from prison in Florida, a burglary, within that period, is a mandatory 30 years in prison.

If you're, yeah, if you're within three years of release, it's like, it's a penis fender, sentencing act or some bullshit. Oh. I knew if I did steal from him,

I'd fall under that. So I can't take anything from here, but at that time I wasn't beyond maybe doing something, you know, somewhere else where nobody knew who I was. But in this case, they would figure out who I was. So I did it was like a gigantic bottle of like coins and this and that I was like I'm not doing it

I don't care if there's a few grand than there I just was doing the legal math it just wasn't worth it Um that being said he did the dope feed move and proceeded to help you search for the key that he probably had in his pocket So he's in the kitchen full of the refrigerator out I said what are you doing man the thing's not under the refrigerator I'm going to leave you're obviously uncomfortable having second thoughts no no it's fine you know going to bed you know So I said, well, you know, they'll last bit called me. They'll meet me in the morning. He said, you want to change the clothes? I got a whole closet of new clothes in the guest bedroom, take whatever you want.

I did. I made a duffel bag with a few clothes, brand-new pair of tennis shoes. And I said, hey, I appreciate it, you know, whatever. I just, I was found out, but he was too paranoid to say anything about it, I guess. While he was out, he got a call. and that call he was doing chef work somewhere and he had a lascaping business as well and he had a call to change the location of one of his jobs and I never gave him the message no no let me back up I gave him the message but nobody knew where he was going that morning but me so when he left in the morning

he says hey you might want to know what's going on in the news right I said maybe just the real estate or business sections or newspaper and he said yeah I read in the entrance up the complex as machines, just walk up there and get one and, you know, he says, there's nothing else you think you'd want to read this one? I said, nah, I don't know much about, you know, the area yet. So just, I go acting like I have no interest in the news at this point. So he leaves to where I sent him to. Nobody knew he was there. I go downstairs. I had a cap on, glasses, different clothes on, and I got not far from his building, it's a winding entrance to the place to where these machines are on the sidewalk and I look up but as high as I can see there's a helicopter

already I mean it was just a and it was just hovering over his complex and I said holy crap I'm screwed so now I need to hurry up and get back to his place grab that bag and leave do I have time right when I'm thinking about it there was a caravan about police cars undercover cars marshals whatever other agencies they're sending about 20 vehicles flooding into the complex so I broke into like like a power walk, right? So I'm on the windy road with the speed bumps, right? Doing my power walk.

They passed me again within the foot of me and I just waved to them like a concerned neighbor, you know, they just like, get my power walk and as I look in their cars, they have clipboards and like my pictures on their board and I'm like, holy crap that's my DOC picture with blue diaper

and everything. They surround the wrong building. The helicopter drops down. They start deploying. They bring out the dogs and everything. And I'm like, okay, they're around the wrong building, good for me. And I snuck back around and I went up the stairs and they let myself land to grab that bag.

And as soon as I did, I heard there was a manager on a golf court, came up to them. And she was pointing at the correct building. She got wind of what was going on. Like, no, not this one. It's that building. And so they immediately were jumping back in their vehicles and rushing over. Now I'm trapped. They surrounded me.

my dumb ass went back into this into the correct building right oh my god I'm dead and the law is they can shoot and kill and escape prisoner they if they want to that they can get away with shooting you if you're a state sentence or probably federal sentence prisoner I'm allowed to kill you so I was like man I'm about to get myself murdered in the house by the cops and they'll say I did something so but I was also doing the math as a law clerk I said wait a minute they don't have him with them. They don't have, probably, they don't have keys no permission to come in. The manager

can't give it. They don't have what's called exigent circumstances, which means a high speed pursue where a violent fellow went into a building and they can go in solely for that purpose without a warrant. And they don't have it. Time to go get a warrant. So the three grounds, they can come in on me, they had none of them.

They're up the stairs. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, Mr. Souch and such, we need to speak to you about your new house guest. They're screaming. U.S. Marshalls, all this crap, I was in the hallway behind a planter with some flowers just standing up against the wall, hoping they weren't like looking through the people reverse, and trying not to put any shadows out or movement in the building. I was in the hallway, just frozen up, and they stayed out there a good 20 minutes, knocking, knocking, trying to figure out what they were going to do. I eventually hear them going downstairs, and I'm like, okay, now they're down there hiding in the parking lot, surrounding the building.

They're going to be around the edge. when they see me come down, they're going to pull out on me and I'm dead, or they're going to arrest me, whatever. I just said, you know what? I can't stay here forever. He's eventually going to come home and let them in. All of a sudden, the vehicles are backing out and they're leaving. They put the dogs in.

They took some of their gear off and they're all leaving the complex. I'm like, come on. You're faking a move. I know you're still out of hiding, I'm thinking. Right. I literally waited a few more minutes. I said, F it. I just opened the door.

I have one hand in front of my face, one in front of my heart. And I said, I surrender. I surrender. I surrender. I'm coming out. Please don't shoot. Don't shoot. I figured at least if they shot me, they'd be in trouble because the powder burns and the bullet holes will be on the – Right.

Outstretched hands. Don't shoot. And I'm like this. I get out. There's no one there. I drop my hands. I go down one landing. Every time I got to the bottom of the two or three landings, I would put my hands back up.

You know, please, don't shoot. Don't shoot. I give up. I give up. Nobody there. now you get to the bottom you know you got to come past that edge of the building and all the cars are parked right there and i'm figuring that's really going to get me right that's the scariest part so i'm like this and i'm like don't shoot don't shoot there there's nobody there's nobody behind the bushes the cars the edge of the building i'm like no freaking way did these people leave me here like this i'm like here they're pretty good for his chance i'm here man i took off i started ran across us one i went to an other complex. Mexican guy, a roofer, he's taking stuff off his truck. I said, hey, do me a favor. I lock myself out of my car and my apartment over there. Please, I'm going to

keep it straight with you, man. I'm on parole. Today's my last day to report. If I don't get to my PO, I'm violated. It's my last day. Can you please drive me to the parole office? He goes, oh, my man, I know how it is. My brother's on parole. Give me a minute. And he took a few more minutes doing what he was doing. He literally drove me like two more miles outside of that search area to where I knew where the parole office was. I said, hey, I still got another hour to get in there. I said, this brought me off of the Denny's right in front of the and he left me at the Denny's. I'm not going to walk into a parole office mom. They're all looking for me. But I happened to know where it was because I was actually supervised out of that office

before. And so it went like that. Anyway, I went on a run. I was gone. I went to Palm Beach. I looked up Maxwell and that to try to get some help and get some cash. I ended up trapped there with her for several hours for actually probably just over a day and then I ended up in Daytona Beach and in the Toronto Beach there was an interesting series of events I was spotted in Daytona Beach and I've never been to Daytona if you know if you get to the boardwalk over there there's like there's there's a boardwalk when there's vehicles on the sand I think police vehicles at that time until you're right there's a pier and a bunch of amusement parks and everything And I never saw it a slingshot thing and all that.

I've been in the prison forever. I'm like, wow, some pretty cool rides, you know. But there's cops everywhere on the sand, on the boardwalk behind me. I'm like, the state's most wanted person at the time. I'm like, oh, my, why don't they come up to the boardwalk in the corner of all places? You know, so I'm like wanting to get back off there. But somebody spotted me and they were checking an area for me. It's a really long story.

I'm going to go with the whole thing. But I ended up in an empty lot, crawl up. against the fence that was overgrown with like, you know, they got the Bogan Villa

plants in Florida if they scratch you get pretty bad infections Yeah they got the thorns out of so it was all

Bogan Via and Palfrons I crawled in by the fence and I'm laying there. They got helicopters off

they seal the area off over the fence the next door neighbor is being confronted by the police put that shotgun

away he goes well if that mother effort comes over my fence I'm gonna shoot his ass you know

well we don't have any miles please put the gun away go in your house I have a right You know he's like arguing He's hot when I jump up his fence

I'm hiding Right I'm hiding in this like gully along this rusty fence Right I had shorts on And ladies are getting eaten up By red ass and Bowden Via I took palm frowns

I put them over my body In case they do a thermal scan With helicopters or something So I'm laying Nightfall comes I'm laying there 10 hours nightfall I'm thinking I'm going to get up Okay it starts raining

But I have palm trees all over me And I'm covered with palm fronds I'm not getting wet at all. You know how it rains in Florida? Yeah, I'm poor. There's nothing coming on me. It's just a little drip here and there. All of a sudden, I forgot I was living in a gully.

I was laying in a gully, you know, like a little thing. I got the animal trail probably. Like a freaking torrent of a stream of water came right under me. All of a sudden I got like water covered between my legs, up over my test, you know, flowing into this gully and laying in. so even though the rain wasn't getting it happened to be low in the low spot so I stayed there for like a whole other day I stuck out of there I went to a laundry room stole some clean dry clothes like a

sweatsuit or something out of a dryer put that on put the hood on and walked out of that neighborhood and that's how I got away from that so I had two close calls the one the condo the other one in Daytona to fast forward a few days later I can't get into a lot of things you know if I told you I have to kill you but let's just say I'm at the mall right

now the detaino you have a what the mall? It's called the Volusia Mall it's on International Speedway Boulevard you've been to the track around there anywhere no get off 95 International Speedway is the track and across

the street from it the Volusia Mall and behind the tracks the international airport. Okay. So I'm at the mall. I'm looking to make some money, right? I see this jewelry kiosk in the middle of the mall. I don't have lockpicks. I've been out of, I just escaped from prison.

I'm out probably two weeks, right? Surviving, right? So I'm going to hit the jewelry kiosk because I noticed the day before they would throw the jewelry up and there from down below. They took the black things off, and they put the jewelry, and they would go to like a Starbucks or Barneys or whatever the hell the coffee place was, the two girls that worked there. So I knew I had a window of about 15 minutes from the time they restocked their shelves

to quickly open each display and walk out with about two, 300 grand worth of jewelry. Right. So the one day, I wasn't really prepared that I heard them talking again about meeting at the coffee place as I was walking by, you know, listening. I went, there was a series right there. I'm just going to get a little pry bar, and I know the case is if you open two at a time, the alarm goes off, but you open one other time, take everything and close it, you can get in each one without the alarm off.

So I kind of know how they were wired up. I didn't have a pick, but it's just bullshit showcase locks. I want to get a pro bar in a long black bag. So I have the bag. The lady sends me, I said, hey, do you have a small cast bar, a little pry bar? She sends me to the wrong aisle. I'm in a major hurry. So I asked another sale person, I said, look, ladies sit me to the wrong aisle.

Where's your small, six or eight inch pry bars? Oh, those are in aisle four. Okay, I get it. I go to the register. There's people at the register. I'm like, crap. I should have thrown, it was like $14. I should have thrown a $20 bill on the counter and walked out with it.

Instead, I pretended that, you know, I was done shopping and walked through an aisle, and I put it in my pocket and walked out with it. So now I'm beatlining right direction. directly to that kiosk because you just reach over, you push the button, you let yourself fit. I drop behind the counter and I stop prying the cases open. Right. As I'm just about to put my hand on it and walk in, security guy, playing clothes, from rushing

out, grabs my shoulder. I'm like three steps from going inside that jewelry chaos. They said, sir, can you step back in the Sears with me? Oh, I'm like, how can they help you? He goes, you put a tool in your pocket you didn't pay for. You walk past the past the point to purchase. I said, I'm in a hurry. I'm illegally parked.

I bought a house. We're renovating it, you know, my spiel. And I said, I'll give you the $20 right now. He says, you can still pay for it and have it, but you're going to be given a trespass warning not to come back in the store anymore. We're not going to involve the cops. I'm like, okay. So now there's two of them. They take me in.

We're in their office. I'm not handcuffed. They said, we're just going to issue a warning. They fill out all the paperwork. You know, I can't come back to that series for a year, whatever in the warning. for. They said, now we need an ID. The batch what you told us. And I says, well, I'm staying across the street at the Hampton Inn. Everything's in the room. Oh, no, we can't give you a trust force warning if you don't have an ID on you. We have to evolve the police if you don't

have the ID. So bottom line, I couldn't talk my way out of it. The police comes. He shows up. He said, I can't believe they called me for this crap. He believes my story. He says, I'm just going to run your name real quick. Everything checks out. I'm going to let you go anywhere. They give me the trespass morning. So he runs the quick alias. I gave him. It all checks out. He's about to release me.

He said, but I got to run up by my sergeant. Calls this sergeant. The sergeant says, no way. You don't have ID, you know, you're required to book him in under a John Doe and let the fingerprints tell us who he is. Oh, God. Oh, crap. So he's apologizing that he even has to arrest me for this.

He doesn't realize I'm being hunted there as it is. Tafts me up, brings me to jail. They booked me in the misdemeanor. tank with the homeless guys and the drunks you know and so I'm in the booking area they bring me out for the scan and then you know the fingerprints with the red thing it lasers and all that crap for every time they roll my print I'm like pulling in I'm not trying to give them a clean image right and the guy's like are you nervous I said yeah I've never been arrested before you know so I said never been arrested before he goes it's not going to let us proceed

until you get a clean roll on each finger I'm like oh okay So he does it. I go back to the cell and I'm like, it's going to hit immediately and I'm going to be taken to the hole somewhere, you know? Yeah. So this guy was talking about how he's about to be released and he fell asleep and he had his release paperwork in his pocket. So I figure I'll escape from the jail now, right? So I'm going to take this homeless guy's paperwork and try to walk out what they call his name, you know, and look at the paper. I get the paperwork.

Nobody says a word about it. Next thing you know, they open the door. it's a little lady in civilian clothes from the Volusia County Sheriff and a whole big like first of all they cleared out the whole entire booking there and they told everybody the locked out even the trustees the lady comes over she's got the guys with the shields like the SWAT team for the jail or whatever the sheriff's office standing with her she says I'm the aphist technician for the Volusia Sheriffs I have to personally redo your prints

as no problem take me out I'm surrounded by all these big guys with the electric shields and all their bullshit, the taser ready. You know, she redos them. They put me back in the same cell. They stay there. A few minutes later, if she's gone, they come back. They call me by my real name and tell me to step out. And I just ignore them.

I dropped the papers. I just ignored them. They look at me and said, you know who you are. Get off off that scene. We're going to pull you out. They took me, stripped me out, put me in a red jumpsuit right straight to the hole in the jail. and so I couldn't escape from the Volusia County Jail because it got disrupted by the old fingerprint machine

But that's what happened And the rest of history I did all this time, wrote some books Took some college courses, I have a TV show And now I tell my stories to try to help people And tell them, don't follow my footsteps I even have on my true crime channel A section called The Misadventures of a Super Thief

Five-minute clips when I tell a story About all the times I could have been caught or killed Right and don't follow my footsteps, you know, but that's it. That's kind of the long story of how I, you know, escaped and got caught. It was no fancy escape, but because of who I am, they made a big deal about it. No, I think it was pretty good. It would have been great if you'd walked out with that guy's paperwork and they let you go.

That would have been hilarious. Then they realized they had you in the tank and go in there and go, where is he? Oh, he's gone. If that one sergeant didn't say no, book him in under John, and let's see what happens. He said something like he could be a probation or a parole violator or either a alien alien alien from Canada and we just need to book him as a Bondo. He said it right over the radio.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's hilarious. What's the channel? What's the channel? My YouTube channel, William Steele, True Crime, please subscribe. I know you have a nice fan base and I'll send my family your way, send him my way.

I'm going to play books trying to earn an honest living William Steele author or YouTube William Steele book about Glenn Maxwell Barbara Thirst I have two more books coming out I can't tell you what's going on with inmate to roommate but stay tuned it's looking good oh I started the second

TV show called Steel the Spotlight TV and radio and that's on a local Midwest cable channel and I tell inspirational stories if guys got out of prison I have an inspirational story they want to come on I've had several people who got out or doing good things helping people, numerous

celebrities, Donald Trump's lawyer has been on the show. So people doing good things, you're more than welcome to come on that. You know, it's an invitation for that and for my true crime stuff. Yeah, definitely. What I'm going to do is I'm going to have, Colby will put your

links in the description box. You know, I certainly appreciate it. I'll make sure you have those. If you don't have them already, we'll get them to you today. Just sent you about 10 images today. I don't know how many you want to put up, but Some of them are real interesting. One has to steal a spotlight, a couple of, like, you know, pointing upstairs, you know, thank God. And other ones are on location.

I think with some images we sent me, maybe from anmate to roommate, the trailers, if you want to throw a trailer in here, I think you're allowed to use the trailers, aren't you? I mean, I don't know. It depends on if they copy wrote them or not. If they put them on YouTube, then they probably hit, like, the copyrights so that nobody can use it. it. So I get it with a copyright. But what I can do is I can definitely put the link to it. Okay. Yeah. The one that people love the most car one, you'll see when I go for that test drive. Right. People die roll, they roll over and die laughing when they see. They have to

watch the show after seeing that. That's really, they're all funny. But that one there is like I get the best reaction from it. The network, it's my case when we alter clips. Like I took a few clips, like my book, Sharna, the lady I was living with, said, first of all, she wanted to be with me, and she was trying to break me up with Mary. And so she had said on the show, he sent me the book, and as soon as profoundly, I threw it out. And then in my first book signing, an author's first book signing is a big deal, especially somebody with a background like mine, who I don't know not supposed to them out to anything. God forbid you should do something positive with your life. So I was really proud of having a book signing. She came to and told people not to buy

the book. This is the lady in living with. Yeah. So this all played out on TV. So guess what? The fans flipped out all across the one site, I forget the name of it, Reddit, and all these other sites that were having. Right. And I'm like, everybody, let's organize. All buy Bill's book.

The hell with Sharra. Well, guess what? She lied on national television because if you look at the Amazon review, she wrote under Aloha Nurse. Book is no good. Profanity. You know, I threw it out. it's verified purchase.

I never mailed to that book. She was my friend when I was writing it. She knew it was coming out. And she said, by buying it. But on the show, she says, he sent me that book. I didn't know what happened.

I mean, shit. Well, you can tell she's got, they've got some problems across the board. I mean, there's no, you know, there's no ifs and butt. They have no sense of humor. They're,

they're super uptight. I appreciate it. I'm going to put all your links in the description box. and uh everybody check out uh check out bill's channel hey i appreciate you guys watching do me a favor and hit the subscribe button uh if you like the video and hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this also do me a favor leave me a comment and share the video to as many people as you can that really does help me and i appreciate you guys watching thank you see you