Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Matt Cox Crime Stories | Where Are They Now?

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

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So my buddy, Zach, who's been on the podcast many, many times, he is a knucklehead. He was, so when he initially got out, he and I both got out. I got out about six months before him. He got out. We kind of reconnected, which is weird the way that that even happened. Like, it happens that he went to stay with his brother. and a guy that I had sold a painting to happened to be best friends with his brother.

So Zach's with his brother. And this guy, his name was Glenn. Glenn goes to Zach's brother's house, meets Zach, and his brother says, yeah, my brother just got out of prison. And this guy, Glenn, says, oh, I know a guy that was in Coleman. And he goes, were you in Coleman?

He's like, oh, no, I came from another prison. But I was at Coleman at one point for a couple of years. And he goes, He said, do you know a guy named Matt Cox? And he goes, are you serious? He goes, yeah. He said, I just bought a painting from him. And he goes, can you call him?

So I get a phone call from Glenn, and I'm like, hello. And he's like, do you know a guy named, you know, Isaac Allen is Zach's real name? Is Isaac, do you know a guy named Isaac Allen? And I said, yeah. And he said, he's here. He picked up the phone. I was like, holy shit. Like I couldn't, we couldn't believe it.

So I immediately drove over there. We spoke for a few hours. Still okay? Yeah, no, we're just 50 away. Oh, you look concerned. No. So I immediately talked to Zach, go over there, explain everything that had happened in the last, gosh, 10 years since I'd probably, no, about eight or nine years since I'd spoken with him. Zach got out and we started kind of hanging out talking to him.

I told him I had just kind of started YouTube and what was going on and that I was what I was planning on doing and tried to get him to kind of start a YouTube. YouTube channel and he kind of just, you know, what, poo-pooed on the whole idea. Like, yeah, I'm not interested in doing that. And, you know, I was talking about, you know, redo it. What are you going to do? And so we had this whole conversation. And this, we hung out a few times. And what ended up happening was before Zach and I had even talked, someone he knew

from prison had contacted Zach and told him that he had some, some, some, some COVID checks. The guy was just manufacturing COVID checks and gave Zach like three checks and told Zach, just cash all these three checks in your account and give me one of them. And so Zach deposited the checks. He gave the guy, you know, whatever it was, $1,800 and kept the other $3,600. And Zach just thought it wasn't going to catch up with him for some. I don't know what he was thinking.

I know he was broke. I know he needed a car. He bought a vehicle with that money. And about a year later, he started getting phone calls from like a local detective in Pascoe or Hillsborough. I forget. But he ultimately ended up getting arrested going back to jail for like a year. And then he waited the year saying he was going to go to trial, got a bunch of the charges dropped. And this wasn't federal, by the way.

It's just I don't know how that wasn't federal, but it wasn't federal. So eventually they dropped it to a misdemeanor. He was immediately placed back on federal paper, which was great. Nice, five bucks. And that's a coffee. So, and then about a year or so went by, which was roughly a year ago. And Colby and I helped him start, Zach start a YouTube channel, like we were trying to work with him. It's funny, he got monetized within a month, and that's unheard of.

He got monetized. It was great. He was doing well. As soon as it started making him money, like, we're talking about like 300 bucks a month, like very quickly. He just stopped interviewing people. And I don't know what the problem is with him. And it's funny because I actually talked to him about this last time he called me from jail.

Not the last time. That's not true. Probably about six months ago I mentioned it to him. And I said to him, and he was, you know, of course, now he's in jail. You're laying in your bunk. So let me cut to the chase. He was doing his YouTube channel. Then he stopped.

Then he started doing it again because I was yelling at him. And then he very quickly got re-arrested for some fraud charges that he says are old. And I believe they are old. They were around the same time when he first got out. See, he doesn't talk to me about any of this. So I don't really know exactly what happened because he knows I'll just scream and holler at him. So he got arrested again and for the old charges. They dropped almost all the charges because the statute of limitations had run on almost all of them.

And that's why I know that they are old. But a few of them stuck and he's waiting to go to trial on those charges because they're saying, look, if you just plead guilty to the charge that you're locked up on this time, just take a felony. We'll release you. They only want him to do that because they know he was a month away from getting off of. of his federal probation, and they know he'll automatically get a couple of years on the federal probation violation. So he's saying, no, I'll plead guilty to a misdemeanor because he knows that they'll just put him back on federal probation because otherwise he's going to jail for a year or two. And so that's where he is now. He's been locked up almost a year, and he's just waiting to go to

trial. So that's where we are with Zach. Hopefully when he gets out, he insists that he's going to do a YouTube nonstop, and he's going to let us help him, and he feels horrible, and he's You know, he's, but you're, you're also in prison and you're so depressed in prison and so desperate. Like you start saying, you'll say anything because you believe all. It's not that I don't think he believes it. I just think that he has something wrong. But anyway, like six months ago, I mentioned to him that why, why is it you started a YouTube channel? You saw that it was actually going to make you money.

Everybody was trying to help you. And you, you didn't continue on with it. And he was like, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong. I don't know why I didn't do that. I just, and I think, and I ended up saying to him, I just think that you don't, I think that you're shocked that, or you don't think that you're worthy of having people be interested in you or that you could make money this

because you just have such low self-worth. And he immediately started crying and said, I got to get off the phone and hung up the phone. because I think that that's probably what it is, you know. I think I hit it right on the fucking head. And so that's what's going on with Zach. He's going to get out. I'm going to try and get him back. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to try and get him back on the right path. And, you know, but the problem with fraud is that, you know, it's so much fun. And that it, you know, and when you've done it and you get away with it, it's such a, I hate to say, such a high, but it's such a great feeling. It's horrible, but it's just the truth. And so I think that that's something that he probably going to struggle with because I mean, I know I struggled with it when I got out. I know I thought about it all the time. I don't think about it really almost at all anymore or very seldom, where before when I got out, it was constantly on my mind. It was constantly on my mind. So for him, I think that's the same problem. He just doesn't have an outlet for it.

And he's struggling on so many different fronts financially and everything. So, yeah, that's what's happening was Zach. Or that was me answering one question that took all that took like 20 or took like 10 minutes. And seven subscribers. So you had a. Oh, listen, I told, listen, I told Jess this last night. Jess is my wife. I told Jess last night, she said, well, you know, you're going to get, you're probably have a million by tomorrow. And I went, listen, I said, if we get, I said, if I ever get to a point where I have more subs than Julian and Danny, I'm going to call both of them up and say, listen, you guys, do you need any tips? Like, I don't know what's happening here. Like, like, Danny, you had like 400, 500,000, 400,000 subscribers when I started. Like, I don't, are you okay?

Like, what, listen, would be great. I would love it. She's like, she's like, like, don't do that. You wouldn't do. I was like, no, I would do that. She's like, it's so petty. But, you know, sometimes you just have to be petty, right? Like, it's sometimes it's just in good fun. So I would love that.

That would be hilarious. But was it? Listen, Julian Dory. Julian Dory started off, I don't know, about, I think about a year, a year after I started. I'm not really sure I'd have to check. But he got to. about 200 and some thousand subscribers very quickly. And he was doing it because he said he focused.

Initially, he was focusing on just subscribers. Listen, Julian has some of his shorts have like 45 million, million views. I think one of the best, I think Bustamante, one of his Bustamante's is probably got like 45 million views. He has some amazing. His shorts are phenomenal. I even flew up to New Jersey and stayed with Julian for two days just to spend time to talk to him about his shorts. He really, really got into it with me, didn't really help me at all. He helped me, but I just don't, you know, I would do these shorts.

And the problem with the shorts is that I would spend two hours on a short and I'll make a short. And it will, to me, it's almost like a mini documentary. It's so good. and then I'll put it out and it'll get 5,000 views. And then Colby will take, Colby will take the same short and, in my opinion, butcher it.

Not even a great short. And then put it out and it'll get 2.5 million views. And I have no idea. Like I obviously, I'm just missing something on the shorts because I used to, for about three months, I tried my hand at doing the shorts myself. And I just was not as good.

And then recently, a few months ago, We started about about six months ago, we started working on the main channel with these two guys who do shorts out of, I think one's out of Morocco and one's out of the UK. And they're amazing. Their shorts really do amazing for us. Never know. Like, I would have never known of the last short that we had that's gone semi-virals is you talking about meeting your dad and basically taking his car with a flat tire. Yeah. Like, I would have never thought that's going to be a short that hits a million.

Did you read the – it's not a million, right? Is it like 300,000 now or something? Well, yeah, I was posted yesterday. Oh, yeah. So it's probably on its way. Right. So here's the funny thing about that. I'll read the comments.

One, I misspoke on it. Like I say, when I gave my dad the keys, he told me, bring it back when the tire is fixed. And I said, bring it back with the flat – or with the flat tire or something. I forget I misspoke. So people in the comments are going nuts. bro, why would you bring the tire back when it's flat? Like, that doesn't even make sense. You know, because I said, bring the tire back when it's flat is what I think I said by accident.

When I meant bring the tire, bring the car back when it's fixed, something like that. Bring the car back when the tires flat is what I said. And I meant when the tire's fixed. And he just, you know, people go nuts. Like, why would you say that, bro? Like, that's stupid. Like what? And it's just like, you know, like, I misspoke.

And people are just such asshole. about the whole thing. There was a comment that you didn't see. They were talking about a million subscribers and we still don't have a stay greedy, my friend's. T-shirt? I know. Listen.

So let me tell you the problem with the T-shirts. You know what I'm wearing the day? What? Not nice. Nice. Where's the camera? Nice. I should have worn the shit.

So we've ordered shirts. The problem is we, the shirt that I want is one, it has a certain, it's a certain quality shirt, right? And here's the problem is that one, it's a certain quality shirt and the print, I would like a screen print. But what you end up getting with these print on demand places is you typically get what's called, it's an iron on, right? It's like an iron on decal.

And they give you a shirt that's, you know, it sounds good like, oh, it's 100% cotton, but it sounds good, but it's not. It's not the kind of shirt I want to wear. So I don't want to sell those shirts. I don't want to have to wear another shirt and say that I'm selling, oh, yeah, this is the shirts that we are selling when I'm not wearing that 100% cotton shirt. So I did find somebody who can do the screen printing, but every time we've gone, so we're working with that guy now to come up with the right blend of a t-shirt with the screen print that we can sell. The problem is in the last three or four months that we've been trying to work with somebody out of China. The problem with the people in China is here's what they do.

They say, absolutely, we can do a screen print. Absolutely, we can do the shirt with that blend of, you know, like polyester and cotton. Like, it's a certain blend. And then you send off, you pay them for the shirts. They send you the 100 of the shirts. You get the shirts and it's an iron on decal where, and it's not the right. It's like 100% polyester. And you're like, that's not what I said.

So the whole thing is a rip off. And it takes two or three months to take. It takes like two months to get the shirts. They're super inexpensive. And so what we finally came up with was I talked to my wife and I said, listen, we're done. We're not doing this anymore. We've dragged this out for like six months to a year. We've been fucking around.

And so what we've decided is we're just going to go with a manufacturer, an American manufacturer, which has already sent me the shirts once. So we're with the screen print. So now we're trying to get the right blend of the shirts. He's checking on prices. And as soon as that's done, we're going to have shirts. And then, you know, we'll just sell those shirts. And if the people buy those shirts, then I'll come up with additional merchandise, which we already have good merchandise.

But we were trying to get the shirt first. And I've been dragging my feet on that because I don't know why. I'm just lazy. There's a lot to do. There's stuff happening. Like, you know, I would love to set up like, also I don't want to do print on demand. Like, I'd rather just buy 500 shirts and then as orders. come in, just fill them ourselves. I don't want to do print on demand because the print on demand,

they don't do, they do not do screen prints. And I want to do screen prints. I don't want to do the decal. The decal sucks. The decals, they might look okay initially. You wash the shirt four times and they're peeling off and they're cracking and I don't want to do that. Peer update is that Peer's probation officer does not, they do not want him to, so he doesn't come on anymore because he'd gotten permission from a probation officer at one point to come on. And then his new probation officer said, hey, that guy's a felon that I see you on YouTube with. And he was like, well, yeah, but I have permission. They said, oh, no, no, well, you can't do that anymore. So you can't be around another felon. So he's no longer allowed to be on the show. However, he is now trying to get his

his probation modified so that he can come on to multiple different shows. Because a lot of these true crime shows that he has expertise in, people, you know, it's not like we're hanging out going to fucking dinner, like he's coming on the show. I guess I'll stop cussing. He's coming on the show and talking about the cartel or talking about different things that he has a vast amount of experience with. So hopefully in the next few months, that gets resolved. Hopefully the next few months, Zach is out of prison. Who knows? We'll see. Framed with the stolen trailer. Oh, the stolen trailer. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, listen to this. So we're going to have him back on. He's been communicating with Colby. Obviously, he's not in jail anymore. He bonded out again.

Here's the thing with the stolen trailer guy. And I'm going to mention this. Because I'm not going to get into the whole story, but here's the problem. He did our podcast. It did very well. What, two, three hundred thousand or more views. And Grady Judd, Grady Judd, the sheriff that he's saying arrested him and it wasn't his fault and the whole thing. Grady Judd saw the podcast. They watched the podcast and they charged him with additional charges, went to his house. I don't know if they arrested him at his house, but they, he said the SWAT team showed up at his house. I don't think he was there. Then they told him to come downtown. They went needed to talk to him, come to the police station. He came to the police station. They re-arrested him on new charges. Grady Judd even did a press conference.

where he shows him on our podcast and says, this guy went on a local podcast and said, basically whatever he said was enough that Grady charged him with additional charges. So he bonded back out. He's now come up with some kind of an arrangement with the police department. I'm not sure what that is. But we're going to have him come back on the podcast and explain what's going on. And then we'll re-put out the original video with the conclusion. of the whole thing.

But, yeah, the old Grady Judd re-arrested him. Unbelievable. I don't even think the guy did anything wrong, to be honest with you. So what else? Matt, what is your favorite con of all times? All time, okay. Favorite con of all time? I don't know.

I mean, I'm partial to my real estate con. but the problem with I would say Ponzi schemes the problem with Ponzi schemes is that one you're just lying to people like you're just stealing from people that you're going to them and promising them something that's never going to happen so I'm not even sure that's even that much of a of a con but I also think that most Ponzi schemes don't start off as really cons they typically 99% of all of them start off as a legitimate investment opportunity that just failed it. some point or started to go bad and the guys lied so that they didn't want to tell the investors that they lost some of their money or didn't have that good of returns. And before you know it, they get behind the eight ball and they're not able to invest the money or ever pay these people back. And it just very quickly turns into a Ponzi scheme. So I don't want to say Ponzi scheme. What is a good, an interesting con? Gosh, I don't know. You know what the, you know what probably the best con artist movie of all time is? Matchstick men.

If you've never seen Matchstick Men, that is an amazing, amazing movie. Have you thought about taking another, so that you can put it straight up so you don't have to lean it? What, this? Yeah, you could stick another can behind it. Oh, I didn't know if it was falling. I just kind of checked the comments. Oh, okay, yeah. I got a question for the audience.

That way we can use this as a... One of the biggest focuses, I think, for 2026 and going forward is just getting better and better guests. So someone asked what was your favorite guest, but I'm more curious, what is the audience's favorite guests? The people in the chat, like what type of interviews do they like to listen to? Like financial fraud, whatever, or whoever their specific favorite guest is. Right. Just because. The Thomas Crown Affair.

Yeah, we think we have an idea of what the people like, but. Yeah. Con Air, what's my fan? Con Air. How is Zach? I already talked about, I talked about Zach. I gave an update on Zach. Yeah, this guy said Tom is his favorite guess.

Yeah. I would like to, what's the link for the stolen trailer video? If you search Matt Cox, Grady Judd will be up. Yeah, FBI guy, FBI guy. I would like eventually in the future to have John B. was the best. If Boziac was still in America, I think it would have been, would have been good to have once a month you have a tom show once a month you have a boziac

show once a month you have a zach show yeah that would be once a month you have some a peat show eventually yeah then like those are your four reoccurring guests you have like a FBI wow how much how much what what a how that would really alleviate some stress of having the constant guests yeah because then you have a guaranteed each of them have their own kind of style and you have a guaranteed guest each week. You know, so I, I love Dawsey's story. Dawsey was great. I thought, you know who else was thought?

I thought Joseph Vitaly. I love his story. We need to redo his story. Yeah. Because we have the camera's way better. He said he would come again. He said he would come drive up. But then every time I try and nail him down on an exact date, he's like, let me get right.

Let me get back to you. I got to make sure, you know. Of course, remember, it took forever to get him to get him to. come the first time. Yeah. But Darcy's story is great. Like, I love the kind of the, I hate to say, Dawsey would be so offended if he heard him and say con man.

But I love those kind of fraud stories, right? Like, gosh, Joseph Vitaly's was so good because he got conned. Initially, he was conned. And that kind of turned him into a fraudster. It's like now he's got to lie because he can't make a living doing, he's using a fake name. To basically make a living. Yeah. Anyway, that was a great...

A couple people are saying, yeah, him. Wade. I love Wade's story. Yeah, Wade's in there. I don't know why. Mad Duck, Mad Duck. Mad Duck, we thought, was a great interview. Yeah.

And then the views did not... Usually, when we do a really good interview, we have a good gauge. We're like, okay, this is going to least do $200,000, $300,000. But that probably did, I don't know, 50. And we thought that was a story that. kind of underperformed. So Wade Williamson, who is a friend of mine,

who has a channel by the name of crime and entertainment, he goes by Hollywood Wade, and he'll talk about himself in the third person, which cracks me up. But he said, we need a T-shirt that says, Matt Cox won't rat on me because I was talking to somebody.

And I said, no, I really like Wade because we talk all the time. And I'm like, I really like Wade. I said, you know what? I like Wade so much. I don't think I'd tell on Wade. And they were like, really? I was like, yeah, they go, wow. So that's the benchmark.

So he must really be a friend. I'm like, I really like Wade. I mean, that's how much I like him. I might do a little bit of time, a little extra time for Wade. Anyway, so, yeah, Wade's got a great story. He tells it great. It's a great story. He's been on the podcast.

You know what's funny about the Mad Duck story? Is that like on our, we have a second channel that we just started called, called a Dark Docks. It's called, it's Matthew Cox, Dark Docs. And we did one of the Dark Docs, which is like an hour long on Mad Duck story. And it did great. Like it got 10,000. This is a brand new channel. It just started.

It got 10,000 views, which was great. It did way better than I thought. Let's see. Where's Tom? I mean, there was a bunch of Tom. Like the whole list was Tom. And seeing Joe Baker, Joe Baker was a great one. I think what makes a great guess is someone that can just come in and really cut up and tell a good story. And even though there are hard times and, like, there are sad parts to not make that the tone of the podcast.

Right. You know what I mean? So when we tell guys that come in here, we kind of tell them the main goal is just to entertain the audience at first. Yeah, there's been some cat bird. We've tried to get the cat burglar back on. Yeah. Unsuccessful. Art Williams.

We do have some plans with Art Williams, a counterfeiter. And this is something that I kind of want to do in the future is trying to link some of these podcasts together. Because we've had the Secret Service agent that caught Art Williams. We have Art Williams. And we would like to get Art Williams' son, who's a part of the story as well, and kind of post all those three podcasts individually. and then craft a podcast with all three of them, kind of all their stories intertwining and connecting, is something that we'd like to do in the future as well.

Yeah, I just texted Tom, by the way. Yeah, that would be awesome to blend, to turn it almost into like a real kind of doc with Art Williams because it was so interesting to actually interview his Secret Service agent then art, and if we could also interview his son, God, it'd be amazing. So I just texted Tom and I said people were asking about him and that I was live and explain the whole situation.

So maybe he might check in. Yeah, I was surprised how quick the Instagram. Instagram jumped up to 100 people almost when we first went live. Nice. What did it drop down? I mean, it's like 30, 40 now. Really? It may have came over to YouTube.

A lot of people have said Ryan Root. It might be the same guy, keep saying it over and over again. But, uh, Ryan, I asked Ryan to come back to come back. Yeah. He said he would. I don't know what happened. Like he, he said he needed like a month or something. And then I don't think I checked back in with him, even though it's funny because he's the person who I get TRT from.

And when I get like my blood work, like I send it to him. And he's the one that looks at everything. He looks over everything. He's like, this is good, this is good. You need to do this. You need to do that. He even fixed something that the doctor was like, I don't know what's happening here. Hold on.

We're nine subscribers away. Nice. Don't. You might get caught from the story. I was just saying that he's a super sharp guy. We need to get him back on. He had such a good story, too. Yeah, I was just saying you do get caught up in a story.

Next thing you know, we'll have a million 10. No, listen, somebody just gave $20. Yeah. But we would, yeah, we always, we've been looking back at some of the older interviews with less quality to. Is that? I can't see. Is that angel or Angelica? What is it?

I can't. You see it? Yeah. Angelica. Angelica. Thanks. Four away. Four away from a million.

I wonder how many. Three away. Three away. Three away. Three away from a million. Listen, and we get another plaque. We even even hung.

We used to have the 100,000 subscriber plaque. We used to have that hung. And now it's sitting on a shelf. But if we get the million, we're going to, I'll get them both framed. Not the 100,000. Nice. One million. Nice.

Hold on. We got to take a picture. I got to take a picture. Perfect. Perfect. Nice. Oh, I'll send it to Bubba the Love Sponge. I just took a picture.

And we're going to send it to who else? Julian. And I'm going to send it to. I'm going to send it to. Where's who else? Ian. Ian Bick, who already texted me today and was like, yo, you know, congratulations on a million. What else?

Oh, wait. My buddy James. The same comments is Ephraim DeVroly and Frank Amadeo as guest. Yeah. Well, that's, listen. Frank Amadeo is, you know, it's, I don't even, it's, I hate to say this, but it's such an impossibility. because even if I, if I picked up the phone and called him and said, Frank, I'd love it to have you on the podcast. He would say, absolutely, of course, we'll schedule something.

Well, let's schedule something right now, Frank. And he would say, well, let me get, let me talk to my assistant and I will get back with you. And hey, just love what you're doing. And what would happen is he would just spin and spin. I know this because multiple people have reached out to him. And every one of them has contacted me and said, bro, this guy never, he doesn't show up. I mean, he doesn't schedule it. He just keeps spinning.

And then it becomes, well, I'm still working on. this case. As soon as this case is finished, I plan on. And it just becomes this, this constant, and I don't know what the reason for that is. Danny has talked to him on and off for over four years. And Frank has always given just one excuse after another. So that's not happening. Ephraim Debroli is the kind of guy that Danny also talked to, talked to Ephraim multiple times, told Ephraim, like, I'll fly you up here. I'll, like, just left and right. I'll put you in a nice hotel. I'll do, like, what is it? Is it? And the problem with Ephraim is, as motivated by money as he is, he's not motivated by podcast money, if that makes sense. So he doesn't want attention.

He doesn't go out and try and get attention. The other problem is that you can't give, say to Ephraim, hey, I'll give you $10,000 to be on the podcast. Not that anybody would, by the way, because that's outrageous. But let's assume you said, I'll give you $10,000. 10,000 doesn't mean anything to Deverelli. He's a multi-millionaire. He's probably worth $20 million. Like, people think that they took all of his money when the war dogs thing, like they think, oh, he lost all his money. No, he didn't. He only defrauded the government out of $140,000. He paid that before he was ever even sentenced. So he had millions of dollars while he was sitting incarcerated with me. And I was writing his memoir. He was worth millions. He's worth probably 20 million.

now. So you can't give him 10 grand. That's not a motivation for Deverelli. He needs some other motivation. The truth is he wants the whole thing to kind of die down. He's not going around telling people, hey, I'm the guy from War Dogs. So I don't see him doing a podcast. We've done a podcast with David Packowls, which was played by Miles Teller in the movie War Dogs. Great interview. That's actually one of our, it's got we've got over a million on that one, a million and change Yeah, yeah, it's a million to change. Yeah. Second, second high.

That's a great podcast. The closest we're getting to DeVaroli. Someone asked, did you text Johnny Mitchell? I got to. And someone also asked, should we do, or could we do a live podcast? The only way we would probably do a live podcast is with a reoccurring guest, just because sometimes when people get in here. It takes a while to get them to get warmed up. And we may be recording for four hours. And the podcast you see on YouTube is two hours, which, you know, some people I'm sure would like the longest.

And sometimes these guys, when they come in here, they're nervous. So just letting them know that their live streaming could be an issue. Yeah. The other problem is how many times that people got on and they said and they say something. They're like, yeah, so, you know, my sister, you know, Jennifer, she and then and then two minutes in there like wait a minute bro i don't i don't want i don't want jennifer's name i i'm not supposed to say her name when i just said my sister's name i can't say her name it's like okay well if it's live then you're like we can fix it like it's not a problem if you have that we can fix that if it's taped if it's live it's like yo bro you just you just you just told you know four thousand people it was your sister that did this and her name is

Jennifer, whatever now. And so that's an issue. So I had a guy who suggested someone the other day. This guy's name is Jeremy Meeks. Jeremy Meeks. Do you know who that is? All right. I was in prison when this happened, by the way.

So we saw this on the TV. There was a guy who had been arrested. I think he was a gang member, something. I don't know what he was arrested for. but he his mugshot like went viral because he's he's like I think he's half black half white blue eyes like oh yeah yeah yeah I know super good looking guy right buzz cut buzz cut he became and went from did a prison stint did a prison stent I and actually was he was contacted by like a guy who represents models and said, look, I'll represent you.

Got out, that guy represent him. He's now like a supermodel, right? Like he's an international famous model now. I had somebody on Instagram the other day and said, man, you got to get this guy on. Like he's got a prison. He's got a crime story, prison story, change your life. Amazing comeback story, amazing story. You know, and that guy told me that.

And then sent me his, he sent me Meeks' Instagram account. and I went on and I messaged him. I messaged him like three times. I even went and found out who represents him and then contacted his modeling, the modeling agency and his rep for the modeling agency and sent an email there to that guy. Nobody's ever responded.

Not checking his Instagram, whoever's running your Instagram, get rid of them. Like they're not checking this guy's Instagram. He should be probably doing his own Instagram. I don't really do, I don't really do any of my stuff. but except for Instagram, I do check Instagram.

But, you know, somebody should contact, should be forwarding these messages. And then his agent, I contacted the agent. Nobody's ever responded. So the guys will reach out and say, hey, you should get this guy on. Like, I get it, but you have no idea what a problem it is contacting these people. And so if you guys have an in, then contact the guy. So this guy, this mugshot guy, a lot of people in the comments are saying he married a billionaire's daughter. And that figures.

He's, uh... Listen, his Instagram, he's, his Instagram's pretty, uh, pretty, um, top notch. Like, he's clearly living the life. He's not, he's not living the life of a guy, you know, born and raised on Cell Central. I'll tell you that. Like, he's, every shot is a, is like a Instagram model shot. And he's, uh, he's doing pretty well. for himself. And I've seen him on a few. And it's not like he doesn't, he's not interviewed. He has

multiple interviews out there that he takes clips of and puts on his Instagram. So he's interviewed by multiple people. I just, you know, for some reason, he's never reached out. I don't know why. And what a phenomenal story. You know, like just one photo and one person saw it and said, wow, a good looking guy, let's post this. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And then boom. Changed his life. This guy says Tom Simon three days a week. Yeah. Come on.

See, people ask for that, but then it will get burnt out. It needs to be special. They would. They would. Yeah. If we do back-to-back episodes with Tom Simon, like one will get like 100,000, a hundred and the next one barely, it'll get like 200,000, and then the next one gets like a hundred, a little over 100,000.

Tom always yells at us if we don't. He wants his episodes posted on a Thursday. so that it's got at least two days to breathe. You got to give it time to breathe so that it really, because that way people, they don't get a new episode because in his, he feels like, he feels like if his episode comes out on a Sunday,

and then the next one comes out on Tuesday, people only have a day to watch the episode. He wants at least a couple days. Yeah, a lot of people are saying they like the finance crimes. And I think that's, yeah, we figure that. More sophisticated crimes, more intellectual, you will say, is interesting. Right.

That's kind of what we're looking for. And that's the biggest thing is just to continually try to find those guys. Right. Yeah. It's, you know, and once again, it's, it's, here's what happens is everybody thinks it's cool. And they, then first they think, well, I have a really good story. You know what? Maybe I should, I should go on.

And then what they do is they go to the website. They do the little five minute video or three minute video. They fill out the form. It's like five questions. It's nothing. And then they think, yeah, I'll do that. And he probably won't even call. And then they get a text three days later or two days later.

Hey, when can we talk? And then they talk to me on the phone. And they're like, oh, my gosh. We talk for 10 or 20 minutes. And they're like, wow, this is really going to happen. Absolutely. And then we schedule a time for them to come. And then they go around.

They start telling their friends. Yeah, you know, what, I'm going to be on Matt Cox's program or oh yeah, yeah, or they tell their wife or they tell their girlfriend. And suddenly, out of the 10 people that they tell, somebody goes, yo, man, I don't know if that's a good idea. Like, you might get fired or I don't know. I don't think I want people knowing that, you know, you went to prison or that you, and the

next thing you know, they start getting nervous. And then a week later, we get a text that says, hey, man, yeah, I'm not going to be able to do it. I called my lawyer and he said this, which is all pretty much bullshit. Or I talk to my girl and, you know, or I talked to my boss and he didn't think it was a good idea because, you know, I, I'm a salesman. And what if people start recognizing me? And then the next thing, you know, and that's why we schedule six or seven podcasts a week because three of them drop out. Yeah.

And we've had, and this is a lot of conversations that we have with the guests that come on, but we've had great guests or guests who have had great stories, but they just can't tell it as good as. your average Joe, where the average Joe may come in with a, the story doesn't sound great on paper, but the way he tells it is entertaining. Yeah, listen, Punch. You know, Punch, we had a guy on named Punch. Punch has a phenomenal story. He has an amazing story.

He had an amazing book written about him, but he didn't write the book. You know, Punch has, obviously has some kind of, you know, ADHD or something. We couldn't keep him speaking. chronologically he was all over the place we couldn't get a timeline on him we could not get him to just tell his story in a in a cohesive fashion and he was it was so all over the place that a story that a video that a video of a story of a story of an amazing story that should have gotten two million views got 40,000 and it was like and it's it's disappointing like the guy walked out and it was just

hugely disappointing because we know what a fucking amazing story this guy has and he just can't tell it. Some of the comments say we've tried to get Jordan Bell for it you know, there's just... Oh yeah, listen, that guy

listen, oh sorry, go ahead. I mean, I don't know if that's going to happen but one of the comments said, Matt, have you read the comments on your shorts? They keep telling, they keep saying you're lying about everything. I know, they do. It's a constant thing. It's like people don't realize that they take a five-minute story and they chop it down to, you know, a minute and 30 seconds. And so it's a little choppy. So what happens is it doesn't quite, it's not everything makes sense. And then they'll add B-roll. And suddenly it's a white guy

and now he's, the AI shows a black guy or, or let's let's just remove all that together. The point is a a lot of times guys will say, you know, oh, he's lying. And it's like, why would I lie about a story about my dad? Like, why would I lie about a story about when I was growing, a friend of mine that we signed a check from the insurance company and got him, they gave him $6,000 or $7,000. Like, why would I lie about that? First of all, I'm not an old man. I'm 56 years old. So because are constantly like, this guy has tons of stories. He's constantly lying about he's got to be lying about. He didn't like, bro, I was locked up in prison for 13 years.

I heard nothing but guy's stories every single. Obviously, you've never been to prison. Anybody who's ever been to prison for five years knows. You're hearing multiple stories every single day about insane events. So these aren't made up. There are stories that this guy told me. That guy told me. The problem is sometimes I tell a story about a guy that's in prison.

And when the guys that do our shorts edit it, people start thinking that I'm telling a story that I robbed the bank. Like, no, I'm telling you this guy told me a story about robbing a bank. I'm telling you his story. This is what he said. And then people don't realize that I'm talking about someone else. And then they're like, this guy's a liar. I mean, I was locked up for bank fraud.

They didn't lock me up for, they didn't give me 26 years for bank fraud because I didn't do any fraud. You know, that I was, that I never committed any, any types of fraud. And my, my charges, if you looked up my charges, it's like, my charges aren't like bank fraud, like I gave somebody a bad check. Bro, it's money laundering, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud, conspiracy to commit bank fraud, financial institution fraud, conspiracy to commit financial institution fraud, aggravated identity theft, government document fraud, passport fraud,

fraud, use of a fake of a false passport, lying on a passport application. Like, the amount of charges I have are insanely long, which means that you have to justify all those, which means that I've committed some insane crimes associated with those. And you could even look at just the newspapers. You could look at Dateline, American Greek. Like, if I was lying, like, my U.S. attorney has been interviewed multiple times. I mean, she's deceased now, but there's a multiple articles where she's saying Mr. Cox was caught in a bank and he convinced them to let him go. Like, that's not me telling the story. I'm just telling you what happened. But this is, this is a U.S. attorney saying it. Like, these are just tons of people that are, that these stories are verifiable.

But there's some people that just want to say, you're lying, you're lying. Like, I get it. You don't like me. You're a troll. You're a hater. You despise someone like me. Like, I understand my existence offends you. I'm okay with that. That's fine. But I'm not lying. I may be a piece of garbage. Maybe I'm a scumbag. Maybe I've done a lot of scumbag things, but I'm not a liar. Like, is there anybody else from your story that you think would come on or that you would like to talk to? So I know that one of the FBI agents in my case is a woman named Candace Calderon who despised me.

And everybody says that. Everybody says their FBI agent hates them, right? this woman despised me. Like I'd never done anything to this woman. I don't know why she disliked me so much. All the other agents didn't seem to have a problem with me from the Secret Service FBI, but Candace just hated my guts. I was interviewed by an FBI agent who currently runs a podcast interviewing.

She interviews law enforcement. She interviewed, so I interviewed her about her career. This was a couple of years ago. And she told me, she said, I've interviewed Candace Calderon, which is the woman that arrested, or that was on your case. Candace had been transferred by the time I got arrested, so, but she did interview me in Atlanta. So I've met her, spoke with on the phone, you know, several times. And so she said, I would love to have you on Matt and Candice to talk and interview both of you about your case. And I said, I would love to do that.

But I know Candice won't do it. She despises me. And do you remember what the FBI agent's name was that the woman? No. I have to look it up. Anyway, we met her at. We interviewed her. Yeah, we interviewed her.

We met her at CrimeCon. I think, yeah. So she, anyway, I said, I don't think Candice will be, will interview me. She says, oh, no, she's very nice. I interviewed her. I really like her. I know she'll do it. I know she'll do it.

I said, well, that'd be great. Set it up. But I remember when she walked off, I remember thinking, she'll never do it. She's not going to do it. She despises me. And sure enough, two weeks later, I said, hey, I said, do you ever find out about Candace? And she said, yeah, she won't do it. She said, she absolutely won't do it. She says, I have no idea what her issue is with you, but she just despises you. She really doesn't like you for some reason. And I have no idea why. Like I, you know, I get it. I mean, someone like Candace needs to, believe that all criminals are pure evil. And anybody, like the other FBI agents that met me, all of them would say, so I heard that Candace was the original FBI agent on your case. And I was like, yeah. And they would laugh.

And they go, what did you think of her? And I go, she was a tough cook. And they go, boy, that's the, that's the nicest way to put it, right? Like, she is a tough chick. And I was like, absolutely. Like all of them Basically Would say the same thing that she's she's got a real attitude problem

She's got it she's an issue So That made me feel like it's not me It's you It's Candice Like I'm willing I can have a civil conversation with anybody Yeah someone

Yeah someone said You were too nice to that guy That went on you about snitching Andrew Levinson. Yeah, yeah. Which is funny because I still, he still texts me all the time. We still talk. We still, we just have a fundamental difference of opinion.

And, you know, I, I agree. I think that, you know, he and I went back and forth, back forth. I understand that we have this difference in an opinion on the subject, and I'm perfectly fine with it. He, he obviously is a real issue, but he has an issue across the board with all kinds of people. He's he's someone who that readily is willing to talk bad about people, even when he's asking for their help on one hand and then talking shit about them on the other. And I just don't think that's a winning. I don't think that's a winning scenario for anybody. I don't know.

But yeah, he's a, but hey, we still text. I texted him yesterday. Matter of fact, I'm going to text him right now that I just hit a million. We got to text him. you should go visit Zach in prison with a camera no I don't think I can do yeah but can you visit him with there visits and you know it's funny he's in my county he's in Pasco

County yeah I thought about it multiple he's never once asked me like he'll call me and I'll put money on his books yeah but how many uh he's never asked me and I was wonder like why that is how many people can do a visit at the time oh I think several yeah several I'd be interested to go see him okay I'm go talk to him uh um We were going to be there for a while.

Yeah. Let's see. Rebecca, the one who got busted with the hairdressing school. While you're texting, yeah, we ran in. We actually were at Halloween horror nights and ran into one of her relatives. We were on a ride. Oh, yeah. And we got onto the roller coaster machine or whatever.

And the person behind us, like, waiting to get on the next one, was like, Matt, Matt, I know Rebecca. And then we just took off. And then Matt caught up with them after the fact. Yeah Yeah, that's right No, it was her It was her Neese or something

No, it was her Her, it was Becky's Husband's niece That's who it was That was funny the other night We were eating with Tom Simon And he brought up being recognized

And he said, Are you recognized that often? I said, man, I get recognized all the time Like I'm shocked And so It's funny like if I go through them If I go through like the airport for some reason I get recognized and it's funny. So there's some places I'll get recognized.

Like we went, Jess and I went to New Orleans. And literally, it's every other block I'm being recognized. But then you go someplace that's like really nice where people have like a lot of money. Nobody recognizes me. And I'm like, my people are, my people are New Orleans or the French, they're Bourbon Street people. That's who my people are. they're partiers and drinkers and so I think so we were we were eating with Tom the other day and he

mentioned do you ever get recognized and I was joking around I was like yeah yeah I get recognized all the time it's funny it's super cool and then he's like yeah me too it's funny so we were going back and forth back and forth joking about it and just after that conversation had died down we were about to leave some guy walked by the table and said hey Matt Cox I love your stuff. And I was like, oh, thank you. And Tom, and Tom goes, I'm Tom Simon. I'm, I'm super funny.

Speaking of Bourbon Street, we need to get Shaila Buffon. You know what that is? Shaila Lov, oh my God. He's all, he got arrested in Burbank Street. Again. Yeah. Somebody, did you see somebody found his driver's last? He was expired for five years.

We should send Zach letters. Oh, love Angela, who was just on. She has the, uh, I'm always thinking about, pipelines for a guest. And she has that house. Oh, yeah. She has like the, I guess, sober,

a half-way house, sober living house. Or a transition house. Transition house, yeah. Yeah, if you want, yeah, Zach, you could, listen, his name is Isaac Allen. He's in Pascoe County,

and I've no doubt you could put money on his books through the website. I'm sure. Only the crooks recognize Matt at the high-end events. He said, I'm surprised that Colby knows Shaila LaBuff. Yeah, well,

Shaila Buff. I watched Disney Channel as a kid. Shilabuff was a Disney Channel star. Really? So. Listen, did you ever see the movie Fury? No.

Oh my God, bro. And it's recent. Brad Pitt's in it. It's probably five, maybe it's 10 years old. Oh, wait, is it a war movie?

Yes. Is it with a tank? Yes. Okay. The tank is Fury. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I had seen it actually. So good. In the end, when they're basically, when the Germans are closing in on them, and they're in the tank. and Shiloh Buff is extremely religious in the movie. And he talks, he has a quote from the Bible that he quotes.

Bro, it's so good, so good. Listen, they said that he didn't bathe for weeks and he stanked so bad that they had to take him aside and say, listen, you got to bathe. Because he wanted to be like he was really in war. Method acting. Pulled his tooth. Yeah. He said, because he felt like the character would be missing a tooth. It went and had a doc, like yanked the tooth.

insanity. Yeah, he's, you know, it's, he's kind of, he's out there. He's an amazing actor, but the problem is, is that who, you know, you get to be like that where it's like, wow, this guy should win Academy Award, like, he's amazing, but he's also so erratic that a lot of people don't want to work with him because they're like, will he, you know what I mean? Like, will he show up on time? Will he, you know who, did you ever see a saving private Ryan?

No. So there's an actor in there. Fuck. I forget. Ian was just saying congratulations. So in Saving Pirate, Brian, I forget the guy's name. He actually just died recently, I think, of a drug overdose. He's a known, he was in heat. He was in, shoot, Wade would know. Wade even interviewed him on his channel.

Anyway, the guy, so he's notorious for having a, like, a heroin problem. And he was showing up late. So they actually pulled him aside, like Spilberg pulled him aside during Private Ryan and said, listen, do you understand that we'll replace you? We're at a part now where we can replace you. If you can't sober up and show up,

you're done. And not only are you done here, you'll be done. Like, I'll make sure you're done permanently. Nobody will work with you again. Because they've been shooting scenes. Like,

how much money is it take to replace this guy, right? the yeah anyway but yeah some of these guys they just they're they're they're they're they're just so erratic they're phenomenal actors but you know they just can't hold their shit together it's it's bad one of the comments say when my comment gets liked on a youtube comment on your podcast who's actually liking these comments are you're like oh wait oh oh on the on the actual podcast that's on the actual podcast that's me like right now i'm not liking any of these But like on a normal podcast. A normal podcast.

Like who's responding? Because a lot of people have the team, have their little assistant respond. No, no, it's me. No, if somebody's responding, like I check my Instagram, I check the Instagram for Inside True Crime. I don't do, I don't post anything on Instagram. I don't post anything. And I don't do the collabs. I don't do any of that stuff, right?

Like Colby has a team that does that. but I check Instagram. It's the only thing I check. Instagram and YouTube. And the YouTube comments, I have the app also. Those are really the only two apps that are connected. I have TikTok, but I don't even think I'm, I'm not even signed into TikTok.

I don't even know how to sign into it or TikTok. But Instagram, I check my messages, but the only things I really check the comments is YouTube. So YouTube comments, if there's a like, it means I read it. you know, I probably read it. Maybe I didn't. Sometimes people say nasty things and I just don't put anything. You know, I don't like it.

I used to like it to let people know, like, I read your comment. Like, it's a snide comment, right? Like, that's just a shitty comment. And I'd still hit the heart button just because I wanted them to know, hey, I did read your comment, even though it was shitty. But if it's a shitty comment now, I don't really, I don't heart them anymore because somebody was like, well, you doing that is like saying you agree with it. I mean, I didn't really think of it like that.

I thought it was just like, hey, I read your comment. But you're right, it is a little heart. So, but yeah, and if I leave a comment and I make a little comment back or put an emoji or say something back, then that's always me. Colby, they don't do that. Nobody does that except for me. So Bozziak moved. So John Bozziak, who was a former credit card counterfeiter, moved to Thailand.

And he moved to Thailand. And it actually was living on the 30th floor of a brand new condo building when the earthquake hit in Thailand. I mean, so when, I don't know if you guys know this, it's like six months a year ago, about six months ago, a major earthquake hit Thailand. Bangkok, that never hits, by the way. It just never had one in something like 60 or 100 years. They'd never had an earthquake this bad. And I mean, buildings were collapsing. It was terrifying.

So anyway, he was in Thailand at the time. And Thailand at the time, they had a policy where I believe every 60 days, and it might be every 90 days. I'm not sure. But you could get a 90, I think it was a 90-day visa. Like every 60 days or 90 days, you could get a renewed visa. And all you had to do was go to, you could fly out of the country and fly right back in, and they would give you another 60 or 90 days. and that Boziac was planning on doing that until he could get like a permanent residency,

which is very difficult to do, or some type of an education visa or something, go to school, there's something. So he moved to Thailand because basically like without crime, he's just not able to make a living in the United States. And he was actually living at my house staying in with Jess and I staying in our spare room and just, you know, I just, I don't know. I mean, every time he started to do well at something, he just changed, he suddenly decides, well, he switches it all up. He'd start to make money at YouTube, and then he'd suddenly decide he wanted to start a brand new YouTube channel.

It's like, you're making money in YouTube. You just keep doing exactly what you're doing. No, no, no, I want a whole, this channel would be better. I'm more interested in this. And then he does that for six months. And then he would change his mind and start another YouTube channel. So, you know, I'm not sure what the disconnect is. is, but he decided he was going to move to Thailand.

So he moved to Thailand, and we, Colby and I agreed to pay him to do some editing for us. And he started a YouTube channel. It's funny because his YouTube channel, and he's running in Thailand right now is actually, he started two. He started one, it started doing okay. And then, so he lived, just real quick,

he was living in Thailand for $680. He was living in a building that if it was down to, town in Tampa, it would have been $4,000. And he was paying like less than $700. He was paying like every three months for Wi-Fi. I think he was paying like $12 every three months. You know, his water bill is like $4 a month. His electric is, you know, $6 a month.

You could eat out every single meal for $2 a meal in Thailand. And the meals are, you know, you don't have a lot of variety, but then you also don't have a lot of the, you know, a lot of the preservatives and all the junk that they put into, into the food here. So he's like the food's super healthy. And so he's doing great. He's doing great. So that was the, that's a long version of a probably what should have been a very short, short answer to a question. What, what happened? No, the people, I, Tom's not going to be able to join. It's just too confused. using because I'm like playing I played my phone and it's like Sean G comes back on he's like

all right y'all 10 sets of eight he's like doing push-ups in his video people are like what's going on one of the comments is like let's go for 20 so yeah it's just uh we're not set up to have somebody join right now but um without screwing up to stream yeah maybe next time so this is this is a reason why we don't stream People are coming like, am I having a stroke? Tom stuck as a fan today. Yeah. You could face, if you really want to have a join, just FaceTime him.

And you can turn him and he will speak into the microphone. I mean. He's not going to. No problem. Yeah. He's, I don't think he cares. Yeah. He cares.

He cares. He cares. $20. Wow. That's a different person. Listen, I really appreciate that. Listen. And if anybody wants to donate to the save Zach, Zach's real name is Isaac Allen.

He is currently incarcerated in Pasco County Detention Center. And I'm pretty sure you can put money on his books just by going online. So it's Isaac Allen and he's locked up in Pasco County, Florida, detention center. And you can, if you wanted, anybody wanted to drop him. Listen, he'd be thrilled. to get 20 bucks or 50 bucks or whatever, but you have to donate the money. You have to put the money on his commissary online. So it's not like you can't mail him $50 or something like that.

You can't mail, and you really can't mail him anything. You can't mail him books. You can't, there's nothing you can mail to him unless you want to mail him just a letter. Other than that, and even the letter, I think it has to be in a white envelope on white paper. I mean, it's the, because of the kind of the K-2, they're super, Super strict on what you can receive in jails and prisons now. But, you know, hey, 20 bucks helps, 50 bucks helps. Like, that changes a lot in jail.

I'm throwing this out of there. People in the comments talking about my hair. We need the inside track on some hair transplants in Tampa. You need, yeah. Matt says he needs a transplant. Yeah, and you even texted me the other day, and you told me to send photos, and I never sent the photos. Okay, yeah.

I do need to send, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I need, I need it, bro. I need just, I want it thick like a bear. I want thick bare hair. See, my problem is the light hits my hair the wrong way. It's like it becomes translucent. Like I got super thin hair.

You can't tell now. Listen, this is perfect lighting. There was a comment earlier as like Kobe got hair when this podcast started. Oh, harsh. Just by hat, yeah. I'm going to grow up back out. I just got to finish. We'll see.

We'll see how it goes. Don't mail him a check. Okay, what a nice to have my Super Super Super but instead. Oh, Madden Wiggly. I must have read Madden Wiggly

Super Chat, the $5 he sent his, or him or hers message earlier. I saw that. Bald is beautiful baby. Yeah, I saw the,

the, what else are we doing? All these comments are about the hair now. I know. I did see some people saying Craig Riley, we need text Craig.

Craig would be a good guess to have back. Yeah. But there's Tom. He seems to be doing fine without hair, yeah. Yeah. Do you have any women coming on your podcast? We do. We have women all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. I would say one out of every... No. You're going to say six? I was saying one out of ten. One out of ten, yeah. You're probably right.

I tried to... Who's the chick the other day we had on? She did great. Oh, yeah. Well, she was, she was a package as a dark web escort. Yeah. Which, yeah, it bothers me. Like, guys, people were like, you know, what's dark web about this?

But she does talk about how she, there was a special site that was kind of like a, it's a special site where guys go to where you're verified as a John. They kind of verify you. They verify them. It helps to cut down on police. Like, she did a whole kind of. explanation of what this site was, and I felt like that was dark. Like that was one of those titles where I don't feel like it was clickbait at all. Yeah, Glynnis was her name.

Right. Yeah. Like that wasn't even clickbait. People guys were like, this is, this is a dark, you know, dark web. This is all clickbait. It wasn't clickbait at all. She talks about that was the main site she was using as an escort was this special site. She explains it.

Like it's super complicated, like how they verify people. and then the people that can leave comments about them. Like it was, I definitely thought it was a good title. Yeah. Some of these, some of these tiles, like Colby's pretty, you know what I'm saying? It's a little fast and loose with some of these. The hardest thing is when someone is, let's just say they're a dealer and they just kind have.

Do your job right, Colby. I know. I'm getting, I'm getting aid up in the comments. But if someone just kind of has, they're just like a dealer, they went to prison, and there's no big, recognizable thing to attach it. to it's kind of hard because I feel like for our channel specifically like surviving prison surviving 10 years in prison like those kind of titles don't do that well so you got to try to attach it to something else you know who we're having on tomorrow tomorrow yeah Chad marks Chad marks with blood

on the razor wire he's got a is he is he funding a documentary or is there a documentary coming out is he coming on to tell his story he's coming on to tell his story and also to tell his story and also talk about the documentary that I believe is being made currently, is currently being shot. I don't know if he's shooting it. I don't know if somebody else is shooting it. I don't know. We'll figure that out tomorrow. But he's coming out.

He actually texted me from the airplane. He probably has landed already, to be honest. Is he stayed at this hotel right across the street? No, I don't know if he's landed already. He might be landing any minute now. Well, I don't know where he's – I suggested this – this – and he was like, is it in a nice area and I was like it's in a decent area. This is okay. It's not a great area, but it's a decent area. And he said, nah, I think I'm going to stay downtown. Yeah. He's a big shot. He can't,

I'll stay in the slum. No, I'm just joking. This is not a slum. This is a nice, it's a nice hotel. Like, everybody says it's a nice hotel. What is it a, uh, uh, I can tell you. I mean, literally you can look out the out our window. Hampton by Hilton. Hampton by Hilton. You can look out our window, you could see the hard rock cafe. I mean, oh, hard rock cafe. I don't always say that. Hard rock casino. Shout out Matt Gashio. Well, Zayak's doing crypto. The books are awesome. Nobody buys my books anymore, bro. Nobody buys my book. I sell one or two books a day. The book that sells now is the Garth Brooks book, which is Bodies and Low Places. Bodies and low places. And I wish I had pushed it hard in

November for being like a stocking stuffer because it's a great it would be a great stocking stuffer. Tom Simon wants to know how much are you paying Chad Marks for his travel and hotel? I'm not. I'm not Tom. I'm not. We do not. We do not pay. We just don't. We're not paying. I'm not paying. It is it is an honor. Do you know that when I went on soft white underbelly? I was thrilled. I paid my own way all the way to California. Put myself. in a shitty shitty hotel listen it was not a great hotel it was a it was one of those hotels that was probably amazing back in the 1930s or 40s and then they it has been renovated and uh six times and i was at the tail in of what needed to be another renovation and that's where i actually and then

uh what's uh what's um big herk interviewed me in the hotel and nobody nobody paid me i didn't even think to ask it Oh my gosh, who is this? Hold him up to the microphone. Look how tall I look. This is ridiculous, yeah. Hold him up so that people can see him. You have to turn on. Oh.

This is so ridiculous. Look, this is a bad shot. I will do it. Hello, Matt Cox. He looks like he's seven foot tall. I feel like. I'll go over to my recording studio over here. Stand by.

Much better. All right. Can the fans see me? Yes. Hold on. All right. Wow, this is great. You guys run such a high-tech operation there.

This is sort of amazing. Are you literally just holding up a phone? Yes. Yes. Great. Wow. This is, uh, what, Colby, whatever they pay you, it's not enough, buddy. Yeah.

Hold them up a little bit. Hold them up. What? Like this? There you go. All right. Talk to them. Talk.

We're millionaires now, right? Yeah. Are you about to record a TikTok right now? I, I was recording a video and, you know, I was recording a video and, and, you're, you're And then I went out to lunch with a former FBI agent who's running for office here because he wants to woo me. And then I get a text from Matt while I'm sitting there finishing a salmon. And I tore ass home to celebrate with you guys. Congratulations.

I bust your balls. But this is an amazing accomplishment, a million followers. I can't even wrap my head around that. Somebody just donated $5. And they were like, this donation's for Tom. Thank you. Thank you. Don't get me down to St. Augustine on my drive.

Oh, man. We've been on here a while. This is great, though. This is a monumental occasion. Now, is there any other than, is there a, when you cross a million, is it just an ego thing? Or does it change your revenue structure as far as YouTube? No, changes nothing. Yeah.

What it is is you get to say you, you have a million. We will be able to get a, we'll be able to get another plaque. Like, we have one that's. Okay. silver and then what the next one this one is gold so we're able to get a gold plaque so tell me i want to hear from you and colby how is the million mark going to change your life it's it's not yeah i don't think it yeah it's just yeah if anything it's a nice milestone but then it's just okay now it's the next level right is now it's time to i feel like every year year and a half we kind of upgrade and

just all right time to kind of level up feel like we're tweak we're constantly I feel like we're trying to tweak upward a little here, a little there, right? Like trying to get better and better guess. But the biggest change is we now you think this will be a selling point for guests. Yes. That definitely. Listen, we got a million followers on YouTube that we can push out to you, that type of thing. Listen, it is funny too because I'll see people.

So people, so on Instagram, Colby has, who also works Instagram? Angie does all the posting. But she pulls the best clips from TikTok. Okay, so Angie will go on Instagram sometimes and contact people. And I'll see her contacts. And she's like, we have a million subs. And I'm like, we don't have a million subs. We have 990,000 subs.

Like, I'm like, you know, I don't even want to say. So if I do say it, I'll say we have nearly a million subs. Well, you are known for your truthfulness, Matt. Well, you know, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. So now I at least get to say, hey, we have over a million subs. And I think that is a selling point. Because, listen, when we started off, until we got to around half a million subs,

we were begging people to come. And we're like, you know, they're like, you know, and then they're asking us, can we pay for them? Like, pay for like, listen, bro, like it's 350 bucks to get you, to fly you here. It'd be another $250 put you in a hotel. Like, we're $600 in. And we don't have a video. that at that time, we didn't have a video that made $600.

Like, I'm sorry, but we're not in this to break even. I get it. Trust me, I, I've heard this before. This is a recurring theme. The problem, you know, these people, they don't understand the con man mark relationship. I know, I know. Trust me. Yeah.

And a lot of shows out there with like 150,000 views are more than happy to fly me to California to be on the show. It's okay. It's okay, buddy. But what's the benefit? But there's no, what's the benefit to you, though? A million. A million.

Now, we were talking about you the other day. We were like, we were like, listen, Tom's, he's always good for at least a hundred thousand. At least a hundred thousand. Well, yeah. I mean, honestly, you have no idea the panic I feel when an episode comes out on Thursday. I get up to 85,000 views. I know you're going to release some other son of a bitch at noon on Sunday. And that's going to cannibalize.

my numbers. You got to let my shit breathe, man. But I have yet to underperform under $100,000. Every episode of ever been on his hit at least $100,000. Some of it, 200,000, we may even have three for one. But I am in a panic. And then when I see it hits $100,000, then I kind of rest easy. I'm like, okay, I'm not underperform for Matt Cox. What's funny about that is that I've, I've heard this. And I've heard you where you're, you're irritated that it's, it's at 95,000. And then if you check back in two months, it's at $1,7. thousand. Like, you were never in jeopardy. My finish line in my brain is 100,000. If I don't get to you 100,000 views, I'm

worried I'm not going to get invited back. Every time I hit the 100,000, I can breathe easy and think, okay, good. I get to be invited back one more time to see Matt Cox and Young Colby. Well, what we need to do is the best performing video you have, can you hear me? Yeah, a lot of there. The best performing video you have is the airplane freakouts. I wonder if we just do a little bit of pre-planning before and try to find like a viral kind of true crime topic that everybody has recognized or everybody has seen like a situation and then uh either that is included in one of the stories or we are able to use it for the packaging because the airplane one is at what like five to six hundred thousand because it's like a lot of your

stories a lot of your podcasts they could be they could be titled five or six different things Well, Colby, you know and I know that you could probably call every single episode airplane freakouts to airplane freakouts, whether I even discuss airplane freakouts or not, because you are relentless in your clickbaiting. So honestly, what I talk about in the show has no bearing to what's actually on your, the posted stamp you put up there on YouTube. Untrue. Untrue. But let's see. So we probably shouldn't talk about our movie.

Matt? I don't, I don't, by the way, I, I haven't heard from him since. The Tom and Matt movie? The Tom and Matt movie is the Tom movie and the Matt Wannabe movie. I was turned down because I guess, you didn't send your audition tape in early enough. But she, the, the woman still reached out to me and said it didn't matter. She said, no, no, it's fine. He really wants you to play the part.

Send it in any way. And, um, just get it in by, by. Tuesday, which I did. I had it in by Monday. And so by that point, the guy said, hey, we already picked somebody. That's fine. Then he said, hey, do you want to be an expert, read the thing? And I said, absolutely, let me know. And then I had never heard from him since. So he hasn't sent you the script. No. I haven't heard anything about it. Okay. I haven't texted him back because, you know, I want to bother the director of this. But it's called scam. It's a, no, no, no. Oh, so. Maybe we don't get into the specifics. Oh, okay. Never mind.

I didn't want to kill this. With the live streams. Right. Yeah. You just. Okay. Sorry. No, you're fine.

So there's some, yeah. Anyway, there's a movie that you're a technical person on. That's it. I'm a technical consultant, but I also got cast as the FBI agent in the movie. Did you? Yeah,

I told you this. I said, we're going to be, I told you when we're filming and we were going to hang out in Miami together because we're both going to be in the movie. But none of that happened for me. I got, I obviously,

I'm now thinking. No, I did hear back. I turned in my tape. By the time I turned in my... Did you hear back? I did. By the time I turned in my audition tape,

yeah. They'd already chosen someone for that role. And then the guy said, but I'd love for you to read the script and be a technical advisor. Consultant, whatever. And I said, absolutely. Send it to me.

Now, and then I never heard anything. Maybe you could be like the set... Maybe you can be like FBI agent number two. You know, like, what? Maybe you could be like FBI agent number two. And like Tom could come to interview him and you could be behind them. I could just be like... sitting at a desk in the background doing paperwork.

Yeah. I was just as we were, I was coming back to the office when you texted me that you were ready to hit a million. I was going to be writing my Oscar acceptance speech for this movie. But because you're not going to be the movie, you can be my plus one on the red carpet. Oh my God. That would have been cool to be able to go down there and, you know, and just to see. I thought it would be awesome. We're filming in Miami in April.

I thought it would be so cool to have you down. there. You know, we could, you know, have Colby drive us around and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. And then we get some interviews. Yeah. Oh, we already have several people in, in Miami that we want to interview. Yeah. Paul that was a, sorry, Paul, you know Paul. You know Paul. Paul's the, uh, the, um, uh, uh, the criminal defense attorney that you worked out. Remember? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's cool. Yeah, yeah, I did a, I did a case with him. That was another job I stole from you. It was another job. Yeah, another job you stole from me. be the expert witness in a fraud trial, and they thought it might be better to bring someone

who actually catches defrauders rather than a actual defrauder as the expert witness. So I stole your job. That's, this is true. Some recurring themes. To the detriment of the defendant, by the way. He's in prison right now, breaking the house. He'll listen. No thanks to me.

He'd be walking around a free man if it was me, because I'd have said anything on the stand. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I mean, until you start paying me, I have to continue you just taking. jobs from you. Someone asked if there could be a contest, so they could be a live watcher of you guys doing a show. So we've played with the idea of maybe trying to do something like that in Tampa and Orlando to test it out. Actually, yeah, we could micro, we wanted to do these live shows, but we can do a micro version since you have like five chairs there where we sell the tickets for like $100, 200, 200 bucks a piece to come watch us film live.

All three of us just split the money. Yeah. It's not like at your house anymore, man. No, that's true. I was like, yeah. High, the valuables. They're your fans. I get it.

But, uh, but, what's going on at CrimeCon? Uh, I reached out to them. What I did was I reached out to a bunch of companies who have booths at CrimeCon to see if they would sponsor me, you and Colby doing a meet and greet there. And, and I only heard back from one, they're a publishing house. It's like, why on earth would we have you guys do a meet and greet when you don't write books for us? I was like, oh, good point. And so I don't know. I may still go.

And if I do, what I'd want to do is see if, hang on, I got a call coming. I'm going to get rid of them. Well, let's just, we can just pick a place at the hotel or convention center where the hell this thing is and announce it on your million person media and my 300,000 person media that we're going to do a meet and greet. And then we meet the fans. Yeah, you have people. And then we could.

Like literally, just come to the lobby or whatever. promenade deck or whatever the hell it's going to be i don't know what is it's in caesar's palace right so the company oh yeah so it's not like they have to pay to get in we we wouldn't have to be they wouldn't have to pay to get into crime con we just meet somewhere in the yeah we pick a place we say okay outside the uh the whatever i don't know it's i've never been to caesar's palace in their conference area but presumably there's some sort of hallway there we'll meet in a men's room we come come to the third stall in the men's room from matt cox meeting three Tom will be in the urinal doing comedy.

All right. We'll figure it out. But yeah, man, we get to press the flesh, meet the fans. He said, he's going to be swimming with Matt and Tom fans there. It's going to be, these are our people. I can listen to the, I could listen to Tom. What is this?

Speak for time. Yeah, speak for, speak for time too funny. I don't know what that means. Yeah, somebody's saying they could listen to you speak all the time. They should. And so I'm going to figure out a way to monetize this thing of ours. And again, I reached out for all the crime cruises, too, to book us for the live comedy show, game show. That would be fun.

Yeah, that would be fun, especially if you get a free cruise. Yeah, totally. Leave the brides at home. Three dudes out there. Stop. I can't do. I don't know how. Listen, I don't know how you get away with saying these things.

If I made one of the cracks that you make, my life would be. This is work. This is work. We'll be at the promenade deck if you want us. Colby walking up and down the, you know, in a speedo. With a potato down in his speedo to attract the ladies. This time put it in the front of the Speedo, not the back of the Speedo, Colby. Last time it worked out very poorly for you.

All right. Are we wrapping this up? How many people are watching anyway? 330 on YouTube. 130 people. Yeah. That's because they don't know I'm on. Tweet that I'm on.

We'll surge it. We'll get thousands. We need to, well, we need to next live stream we do. I'll test out the technical difficulties. Because I'm sure you can stream out stream on YouTube and Instagram at the same time. Because Instagram, we had 100 immediately. Do you think it's a, oh, okay. I was going to say, do you think it's a problem because we're using the mics?

No, no, it's just, it's just, I don't know. I have to figure out how to get it all set up. But if we. Yeah. This is sort of a ghetto set up. You're holding up your phone, right? But if I was able to use stream you on to get it all set up, you guys could stream.

I need drama mean. Simutaneously on Instagram and YouTube. And I'm sure you guys would probably get 500 on Instagram with both your followings because it lets everybody know your live. I know how to do it Instagram live and bring two people on. That's easy. Yeah. Well, I'm trying to.

Or TikTok. TikTok's actually even easier. It's got 330 out of a million. Yeah. It is what it is. But half of these guys don't already even subscribe. That's the same guy who's talking about my hair in the comments. Yeah, some of these people are just mean-spirited, right?

Does this live go on to your YouTube feed? Will it be there for time? It'll be there, but what I may do is re-release it as a YouTube video. Because a live won't be recommended as a normal YouTube video will. So I'll probably just go on basically cut it and post it. That way If they recommended Right

Are you guys on rumble? We don't need to hear Matt's like bodybuilding videos in the background Yeah well Yeah That was not me That was Sean G I I worked out this morning by the way

I heard a man's voice saying push push push I know what kind of videos you're in I worked out this morning by the way Yeah what'd you do I just did we did chest and shoulders And I just got tired And then you know Then we had a huge discussion

about whether to stop and get a bagel and we didn't. What was your bench? I can't even talk about it. Listen, I used Nautilus machines anyway. It was nothing. You're not doing free weight benches? No. No.

I'm not, listen, I don't have a personal trainer like you. A trainer to bench press? No, you don't need a personal trainer to bench press. Does your husband lift? Do you hear? Does your husband lift? This fucking mean Do you guys

Oh she's this Yes we use stream yard But we're not using stream yard For this live stream So I'll look into that For the next live stream This live stream's pretty fun We'll see how it performs

Right Maybe we will do an exclusive live stream Next time Tom comes on You catch it live And release it as a normal video This is the cash register baby Just edit this thing down right here Yeah.

So we'll see. All right, Tom. You guys be cool. Hey, all jokes aside, and you know, I like to bust your balls. But congratulations on hitting a million. That is an amazing, amazing accomplishment. And I am so proud to be a part of your show. Oh, thank you.

I appreciate it. All right, guys. You'd be cool. All right. See, yeah. All right, later. Some of the things that we've been thinking about doing is, we haven't done this yet, but kind of going to Miami for 48 hours, 72 hours,

and interviewing. a bunch of people from Miami or New York or New York's like sometimes people can't travel to come on the show. So that is something that we may do here in the future. Yeah. Yeah, I would like to, her name is Bailene, the high-priced madam. She would be a great one because that was somebody we did when we had like 80,000 subscribers or 50,000 subscribers and like that video should have, you know, but would probably

blow up now. because nobody watching now, very few people watching now were watching back then. And also, you asked better questions than I did. Like, I'm not even asking questions. You started asking questions because I had, I think, I fumbled the interview. Well, that was, and that was the early days. Like, I've listened to some of those older podcasts. I'm trying to pull a clip, and I just listened to it.

I'm like, why did we start that way? Why did we ask that way? Because we just didn't know what we were doing. Right. I mean. We didn't even really have a format. So. And then like I'm not asking like I also didn't know what people wanted to know, right?

Like I wasn't asking. I didn't even ask like, what are you charging? What are you making? What are you? You had to come in and say like I was ready to wrap it up. And you were like, um, you know, so what, what, what, real quick. And then you asked a bunch of questions out. And every time you asked a question, I was like, fuck.

Like, what did I? I should have asked. Like, of course people are going to want to know how much she's charging. How much she makes from that. How much she made total? How much, you know, what are the girls getting? How long are they staying? Like, there's a whole slew of questions that I just didn't even ask.

And I also felt very uncomfortable with the subject, by the way. You know, but I think I'm over that now. Now I'm just blatantly asking whatever. Yeah. This made me think of when Sean G interviewed Portia here just a few days ago. And she talked about how he did a good job of pressing. She was like, yeah, my lawyer wanted me to sleep with him. And I said, no, and went on.

And he's like, wait a minute. He's like, what did he say? Yeah, he went back. How did this happen? What's his story? But yeah, that Bealeen interviewed that, I mean, that was the early days when I don't even know if I had a desk and I was sitting on the floor. No, you were sitting on the floor. You were like sitting, you were like sitting, cross-legged Indian style on the ground.

I think that's when you were still jumping up switching the cameras off and on. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I was definitely sitting still sitting on the floor and it was all ran. through one laptop. How hard was it at the beginning of your YouTube journey to keep going and getting better? I'm painting 50, 60 hours a week. I'm writing books, trying to sell books.

What else was I doing? All kinds of stuff. Trying to get podcasts to pay me 200 bucks. Give me 200 bucks that I'll do the podcast. Like, I'll fly out, but I'm taking a day off work. Just how, like, it was. You know what I think about when I think about the beginning of the podcast? podcast is that first Vegas trip that we did.

Like when we were going out to Vegas, you're going to go on someone's show in Vegas, me, you, Tyler, and Boziak, all we're going to be out there. Right. And you're like, yeah, we'll film some content, whatever. And when we got there, you asked me, you're like, where's the cameras? And I'm like, what? I'm like, what you mean? I mean, all the cameras are out of your house.

I just thought you'd bring them. And you're like, oh, man. Why would I bring them? Yeah. And so, yeah, so we're like, okay, we'll just, we'll just film with our phones. And then we told Boziac, oh, yeah, we're going to film with everyone. He's like, what the fuck? He's like, no, man, like this.

Remember he got all pissed and he was like, this is going to be, we need a legit podcast. Yeah. And, and yeah, we were, we did a couple interviews in the hotel room. Right. With like an iPad and a laptop. Oh, yeah, it was just completely thrown together. Yeah. And, yeah, that's, that's how.

Colby was such a professional that he didn't realize that bringing the cameras would be your responsibility. Yeah. Not my responsibility. I didn't even thought about it. I just assumed that's why you're coming. Yeah. To film this.

And you looked at me like, do you have the cameras? Like, why would I have the cameras? I'm the talent. Yeah. So, yeah, that was. Yeah. But I mean, I just, you know, you were working, let's face it, for the first what year or so, you're working a job. You're working like a part-time job?

Yeah, well, the first probably six months I was, I left my job, my corporate job to do the YouTube stuff part-time. And then I was working for my buddy part-time in a warehouse packing, basically packing boxes like a warehouse worker. Right. But it gave me the flexibility. Hey, I got to go film on a Wednesday. I got to go film on a Tuesday. That eventually, uh, yeah. Then once it scaled, I was like, once I was like, once I was like, once I was like, once I was,

I was able to get another client, I was able to just do YouTube full-time, and then as a show grows, then just all the focus became this show. From zero to one million, take us quickly through, like, maybe your thought process or evolution of the show. I feel like I was released to this halfway house for seven months. Everybody, before I got released, everybody was telling me you should do a podcast, and I really know what that meant. And then in the halfway house, I got my phone, and I was able to figure out,

what a podcast was and realized that there were YouTube podcast and there were different types of them and video ones. And then I started talking to Danny Jones, a buddy of mine connected me with Danny Jones. Danny asked me to come on his podcast. I went on his podcast, it got like two million views right away within a few months. And at the end of that podcast, he kept telling me

you should just start a YouTube channel with your phone and I didn't wanna do that. I told him that was, oh, I'm not gonna do that. Which was so stupid because he knew, he was making a living doing what I wanted to do, and I'm a guy at that point, I was out of the halfway house. I was living in a rooming house. And I'm painting and doing odds and ends to make money.

And this is a guy who's doing what I want to do, telling me how to do it. And I disregarded him. Took me six months to a year. But six months to a year later, I decided I was going to have to just start. And the real problem was at that time, I was negotiating with Blumhouse. Well, when COVID came out, it killed that deal. So a few months into COVID, I started just making videos with myself, just with my phone, making videos, putting them up, editing in them myself with a I-movie, because I could do that with one feed.

And so I started doing that. And after about four or five months, I realized that was not going to really work out. And so a friend of mine that I'd met through Danny's podcast asked me what I needed to make this whole thing work, to make a podcast work. I explained I needed to find a producer that could do the editing and thumbnails and shoot the video and do everything. And then I could get the guests and just interview them. And it was an impossible job that needed to live close to me so he could come to my place. And I was in the process of renting a one-bedroom apartment and setting up like a podcast studio in the one-bedroom, in the living room. So he connected me with Colby. Colby and I met,

looked at the analytics. Colby said, I can jump on board. He didn't want to continue working at his corporate job, basically wanted to get out of that situation and try and get into some kind of a YouTube situation with a channel. And he decided that this was a channel that he thought he could get behind. And so he and I ended up working on an agreement. We started shooting the video in my one-bedroom apartment. And listen, it was bad. It was rickety. I mean, I had bought a bunch of really shitty cameras that you had to turn off and on every 20 minutes because they would just shut off. And so we did that for a few videos. And then we, a buddy of mine, the doctor, lent me the money to buy three cameras and a switcher. So we did that. Is that okay? Oh, I'm talking

to this one. Oh, I'm sorry. I keep, I should be talking to this one. You can do both. Okay, sorry. It was just, that was zoned in for Tom earlier. Oh, so I, so we started shooting that, those videos. Listen, and I made like, I made like fake walls and this whole thing was basically in my one-bedroom apartment. So I did that.

And then after, you know, that those started doing well. And then that lease was coming up after about a year. And we had probably 100,000 by the end of the end of the. that lease was probably 100,000. That was a year in. It was like a year and a cup, about two, three months in. And so I decided I was going to get an actual house and I was going to have content creators come move in the house with me because I knew several guys. I knew a guy that was getting a divorce and I said, hey, I'll, you can move in here and I knew Boziac would move in. And then one was going to move in. We'd all make videos, right? We'd have a couple of

podcast studios. Juan never moved in. He kept saying he was going to move in. He kept paying the rent. He paid the rent for like three or four months, but never moved in. Not, I mean, just his portion of rent. Boziak moved in. Never really wanted to do, but, you know, he tried for a while, maybe five or six

months on doing his podcast. That was kind of a true crime thing. Decided he didn't want to interview anybody. So that didn't work out. And then the other guy, which was Josh, got a divorce. but Josh never ended up moving in. So, and listen, all these guys had given me commitments, too, by the way. This is what I'm dealing with.

They'd all given me commitments that they were going to move in, and then one person moved in, Boziac out of desperation. So anyway, so, but regardless, we set up the podcast in the living room and started doing it there. And we did that. And then I'd say while we were there, we probably went from a moment. maybe 100,000 to seven or 800,000 over the course of three years. So that was year four.

So we were about year four. We moved here about six months ago. And when we moved here, we had around 800,000 subscribers. And so since we've been here, we've gone from 800,000 to a million subscribers. So in five years, what, five years? Five years. I want to say I came on. When I came, it was April, 2021.

And you're at 20-something. Right. But I had already been doing it myself for about four to six months, maybe four months. Let's say four months, four or five months. So I started in like October making these, this whole series. I called it the grind. Yeah. You know, so I was going to, I was grinding it out because it was just me.

And so let's say four months. So I would say we're over five years, probably five years and three or four months. probably five years and four months at this point right now. And then so Colby came in like, yeah, in probably April or so. And those are some rough videos, man. These are some rough videos. The first few years or was rough. Even though, you know, it took, it took several years in, before it started paying before, it took several years before it was like, you, you would get a check that was like, okay, this check, this check will pay my bills. Does that make sense?

Like two years in and you're like, you get a check and you're like, this actually covers my bills. And I remember moving from the one-bedroom apartment to the house. And I was going to mention this to Chad, by the way, tomorrow because he does no idea. And I talked to Chad Marks. And Chad, because we were resisting doing any type of stream yard, any type of remote video, we were resisting. We didn't want to do that. but we were doing one a week, but it was exhausting doing one a week.

Like, so there were times when nobody was going to show up. We had no video, and we were calling that, or just calling anybody we knew that would come and do a video. So I talked to Chad Marks, and I was like,

how are you doing all of these videos? And he's like, well, I'm doing them Zoom. Like, anybody will sign up for a Zoom. Anybody will, do you want me to look at this one? Or I keep looking at this one. Okay.

All right. So Chad was like, anybody will show up for a Zoom. Zoom because they just have to, you send them the link. So he explained it to him. I was like, yeah, but they don't, do you make any money doing that? He was like, and he told me what he was making. And I went, oh, wow.

Like, that's not a lot, but it's, it's way more than we were making. And so I went to Colby and I said, look, when we get in the new place, I'll commit to shooting two remote podcasts a week if you'll, if you'll, um, edit them. Because Colby was only really signing up to edit one video a week. And so he said, absolutely, I'll do that. And I told him, I said, I think that can double our income. And we knew if we could double the income, we could easily pay all of our bills, right? So we weren't quite there.

We were close, but we weren't quite there. So I started doing two remote videos a week. And I'd say within three months, it doubled or even tripled what we were making. So it really did well. And that over the next year went from two remotes to two in person and one remote. And I'd say in the last year or a year, the next year, or over the last year, we've almost phased out the remote podcast completely. So it's almost, it's being one every two months now.

Because there was a point where the remote would get the same amount of views as an in person. They'd both get about 20,000, 20,000. Right. But now the remotes get. 30,000. And if that same person showed up, it'd get 100,000, right? So we're getting a third of the views from a remote as we are from the in-person podcast. So you get to a point where it's like, it's just as much work for one third of the value. And then, you know, you also get to, once you get to over half a million, once you get to over half a million subs, the people that you're begging

to come. And keep in mind, you're begging them to come. And they're saying, well, I'll come, but you've got to pay for my flight and you're like, okay, well, I'm going to pay $300 for your flight. Like, that's, the video's going to make $300. Like, it's a break, we're breaking even at that point. So you're calling multiple people asking them to pay their way to come on your podcast. You've got half a million. But once you get over half a million,

half of those people that are asking for money, stop asking because they're like, hey, this guy's got half a million. Some of his videos have five, six, seven hundred thousand, a million views. I'm going to go ahead, I'm going to pay my own way because it's beneficial for me to be on his podcast. And that's really what happens. The closer you get to a million, the more people, they don't even ask.

They stop asking, like, hey, can you cover my, because they realize, like, hey, I'm going on a platform that's got a million subscribers. These guys' videos are getting two, three, 400,000, two or three, 400,000 views. Like, it's worth it for me to fly myself in and put myself in a hotel to be on the platform. And that's,

I think that's what we've learned over the years is, and, you know, and it's been, you know, it's, it is. It's, it's been a lot of work. I think as it's gone on, it's become more work for Colby than it is for me, where I think at first it was more work for me trying to get these guests, um, to come. and, you know, and of course, at that point, I was, you know, we're doing, the whole thing is in my, I'm living

this. It's in my living room. I have no living room. I have a kitchen and a, and a, I have a bedroom and a kitchen and a podcast studio. So slowly it's become, well, I think for a while it was more work for you than me. And then I think also you've gotten to a point where you've been able to, to start delegating some of that work. Yeah. Like my whole goal is like, I don't want you to do anything other than just show up and talk. You know what I mean? Listen, that is what I want to do to.

Yeah. I would, you know, that's, that'd be the best. Yeah, like right now, we're not really there.

Right now you still do a lot of the guests, booking communication. Like there would, I would like to get to a point where it's a well-oad machine where it's like, this is how the guests are booked. Pop, it's just all kind of, not automated,

but it's out of your control, out of your hands, where it's like, you know, I don't know, just a, Yeah, it's been The journey

Yeah, it's scaled Like scaled from It's just testing Like we didn't even do shorts Or clips for the first two years But I think it's just like constantly evolving And trying to keep The quality

Up to par with the best Channels like looking at What are the best people doing And how can we Take those same concepts And implement them into this show You know what I mean? Like because we don't know

Five years from now Where is the this type of content going to be like is it going to be on netflix is it going to be on whatever and one thing that i think which i don't see sometimes people come on this show and they say that they want to do a show or they want to do a podcast but like i remember in the beginning you they weren't willing to go all they're not willing to go all in like from the day one at 20 000 subscribers when we met like you were all in on this you know what i mean like it seemed like no no matter how long it took like you're willing to just go all in on it.

You know what I mean? So I think that is a big thing that people probably don't see is just like the level of commitment to do it. Oh, yeah. I think that's the problem with all of these people, right, that we talk to that, you know, people will come here and Colby will go through their channel with them and be like, you've got to fix this and this and this.

Here's what you got. And it'll give them a whole explanation. If you go look at their videos, their channels in a year, you're like, out of six things that he's, he told you to do, you did one. You know, you did two and you did one of those two half-assed. Like, come on, man. Like, you know, it's not, you know, and so, and people, well, I don't understand why it's not working. It's not working because we told you six things to do. You did two, and one of those two, you did half-ass. Like, it's a, it's a package. It's, they all have, you have to be firing on all

six cylinders. And you're not. And then, oh, yeah, I. I know, but, you know, sometimes I get busy and I can't post every week. What are you talking about? Then when you aren't busy, you do multiple interviews and you put them in the pipeline so that if something goes wrong, you have four interviews that you can at least post one. Like, you know, you can make it work. And then, oh, it just never really took off. Well, you also never really gave it your all. Yeah.

Like, this was absolutely going to have to work. 100% it had to work. Yeah. And once you got the little bump in the big. beginning. It's like you see it's there. Yeah. And it's like the amount of, I don't know, I hear other, you know, people kind of underestimate the amount of work that it takes, like doing it consistently for over five years. You know what I mean? Yeah, because for, for years, think about doing something for years. It's just making nothing, you know, nothing. And the

comments are brutal. It's just brutal, you know, so, but it's consistency. Let's you just, you just have to be consistent and grind and grind and grind and then. And continually look to upgrade. Because like I said, when we look back at those old interviews, there's things that we would never do now. Right. Like, or at least for me on the editing side, like, I would never start a video like this. I wouldn't, you know, but it's, you don't learn those things without the quantity,

without doing it over and over again and learning from the first 100 videos, make the second hundred videos better. So I guess the last message. You have last message to your fans. You want to thank them? No, I appreciate it. I,

you know, who was the guy who said, you got to cry at a million? No, I appreciate it, bro. I mean, honestly, I've,

this has been, it's been great. I hope it lasts for as long as I can keep it going, and Colby can keep it going. And I forget I always tell, you know, I always tell Jess, I'm like, look, we don't know how long this is going to last.

I don't know how long this is going to last. And she's like, why do you keep saying that? I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, because I said, because I'm going to be what? I'm 56 now. I said, what am I? I'm going to be 60, 65 year old. Nobody's watching a 65 year old man do a podcast.

And she's like, you don't know. You don't know that. But yeah, so, you know, who knows? I mean, I want to keep this going as long as I can. I love interviewing people. I love hearing the stories. I love talking to these guys. I've always shocked.

You know, there's always something interesting. And I would love to keep this going as long as possible. And I want to make it work. And, yeah, it's just, it's been great. I'm, I am shocked that I'm able to make a living doing this. And I'm extremely grateful to be able to do it. Yeah. So extremely grateful to be able to do it.

Really appreciate it. So thank you guys for watching this. And yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you. See ya.