Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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If I do this, I'm going to take enough money for that I won't have to ever come back. I'm gluing on fake beards, wearing sunglasses and these crazy disguises. Pulled out of the bank and took off, and I turned again, and the car turns again as well. I could hear the sirens of the police, and he goes, what's that? Do you hear that? At 12.31 in the morning, I came to, and I was laying in a field on my back. I'm eating lunch in Mexico at the time the news breaks. He decides he's going to rob a bank, but he doesn't want to go into the bank. He's like, you know, you have to tell a lot of these places, you know, going in, like, it's a major problem.

It's one way in, one way out. You can't see around you. Like, it's fucked up. He's like, it's easier if you rob the armored truck. So he decides he's going to start. He's like, but, you know, of course, most bank robbers get the money, but they just don't get away. That's the problem. He's like, you know, getting the money, great.

Like, it's getting away that's a problem. So he ended up, first what he did was he staked out. He told me this later, by the way. I'll tell you something. He actually knew a guy that worked it at, I don't know if it was, I'm going to say Brinks. He worked, I don't know that it was Brinks, but I'm going to say use Brinks. he actually knew a guy that worked in the Brinks warehouse that guy had explained to him

the procedures the whole thing and that these guys are told to just give them the money like they're not going to fight you really and I've talked to several bank robber I wrote a story about a guy about a bank robber and he said same thing they all say he said but the problem is is you've got a lot of these guys you're like I'm gonna pull my gun I'm gonna shoot at him I'm gonna like they're superheroes

they think they're superheroes Ex-military, fucking, yeah, those kind of guys. Right, where there's other guys who are just like, man, I ain't getting shot for 11 bucks an hour. Take it. Right. Yeah.

Especially when they tell you to give them the money. So he's talking to his buddy and his buddy's telling him, look, we deliver it this time and this time, this time of the, so his buddy tells them about one route where the guy, they're always getting this one place, it's got a lot of money, it's in a nice area, they always get like $100,000, like on this day.

It's great. You run up, it's one bag. You know, it's like one or two, like one bag. You run out and the guy walks right in. Like, all you got to do is grab the bag and run. Anthony also doesn't want to use a gun. He's like, I didn't want to use a gun. You can get in a lot more trouble if you use a gun.

Definitely enhancement. Absolutely. Plus, there's a good chance that now you're in a shootout. You know? Like, people are going to shoot at you if you don't have a gun. Yeah. So once again, he really just, it's as far as just being athletic. You know, and he was a full.

football star. Like he can grab something and run and you're not catching him. A guy's six foot one. He's lean. He's in good shape. So he stakes out, one, his buddies told him what the routes are. Two, he stakes out a Bank of America, which was one of the largest companies to get a bailout, by the way. So he stakes out the Bank of America. He goes and he parks in an alleyway. He puts on a mask, one of these little masks, right? He would grab, he said, I had, he had to figure out how could he just kind of hang out. How could I hang out and watch this place without raising suspicion? So what he did was he got one of those little Cadillac, well, we called them in prison Cadillacs, right? The, the, the sweeper thing, you have a little

sweeper and you have a little bucket that you sweep into. Yeah. I understand. Okay. Well, I'm just saying people, like, I don't know, do they really call them Cadillac? No, I've never even heard that. Even in prison, I never heard that. In prison, they used to call it. I need a, give me a Cadillac. Oh, okay. That's a prison thing's got to be So you have one of the little buckets And you sweep the garbage into it So he got one of those

And he got a little face mask So nobody could recognize them And he said I put on a long sleeve shirt So I looked like I was somebody Who walked one around sweeping up the place He said so he would park in an alleyway And then he'd walk over to the Bank of America And he'd watch it

When the armored truck showed up And he said I'd watch it And then I'd make a notation Get in my car come back like two days later, wait around 30 minutes, and then the thing would show up, and I'd mark the time. He did this for about two weeks. Figured out, he's like, wow, you know what?

My buddy said this is a route, and he's right. He's usually within 10 or 15 minutes of the correct time. So he thought, okay, so I know I can run up there and grab that bag when the armored truck car driver gets out of the back, not the driver, sorry, the guy in the back. When he gets out of the back with the bag, I know I can get that bag from that guy. he decided he was all I have to do is decapacitate him incapacet him

decapacet him his name and a word incapacitate him and ever seen those net guns yeah she's somebody with a net yeah that'd be cool if I can hit him

with a net that'd be great right but he made comical rodin yeah that's a cartoon but then could you imagine

now the guy's in the net with them holding the bag now you got to try to get the bag right so what he decides is bear mace apparently there's a mace

It's called Bear Mace. Oh, yeah. And he said, so I figured I run a giant can. Oh, I didn't know that. So he said he shoots a long stream. 20 feet or so. So he said, I figured I'll take it, get a bear mace can. And I'll run up and I'll shoot the guy with the bear mace and I'll grab the thing and run.

He said, he's going to hit the ground. He said, the fuck, it's horrible. He said, you even get it on your skin. It'll, it burns the hell out of it. I hit him right in the face with it. Oh, yeah. He shot him in the face. They won't be able to see anything.

Right. Yeah. So he, he once again, he's watching the play. He knows when the guy's going to show up with the money. He's assuming it's going to be around $100,000 because his buddy said it's always around $100,000. And so, but here's the problem. Once again, the problem is, it's funny

because he and I very much, you know, kind of looked at our crimes as same. Like I started figuring out what are my issues? How do I solve these problems? Sure. And so you end up solved like, this solves this, this solves this, this solves this. the next thing you know, you think, oh, great, all you're trying to do is solve the crime,

not realizing when you look at it from another perspective, from other people's, from you and I's perspective, it turns out brilliant. Like to me, my crime, I was just trying to solve some problems. Other people look at it and they go, fucking brilliant. Same thing with him, bro. So there was a movie called the Thomas Crown Affair. So Anthony had seen the movie and he thought that's a perfect way. Like, here's the problem. Running up and getting the bag, anybody can do that. It's getting away. That's the problem. Like, running up, up and getting anybody can go up to the to the teller and point a gun at them and say give me the money and they're going to get some money it's getting out of the bank getting in your car getting away

that's an issue well first of all you're in a car you're in seattle which is made up of these little tiny islands and there's all these little bridges and they can be closed and and you typically on these little islands like or can and there's a canal system so there's only one or two ways out of every little subdivision, every little island, every little wherever you want to call those things, there's very few entrances and exits. So it's not hard to stop. If they see you jump into a red BMW, it's not hard to say, okay, great, put a cop here and a cop here. He's in this area. We're going to see a red BMW drive-by. We're going to grab him. So he said, so I can't be in a vehicle. So one question is, I can't be in a vehicle.

Second one is, I can't get caught because I don't want them to chase me or see me or anybody to be able to figure out who I am. And when the cops show up, they're going to know immediately, the guy ran that way. He jumped into a red BMW. He's got to, so all of these are problems. So he said, how do I get around that? He had seen the Thomas Crown Affair, and what he decided was, I need decoys. And what he decides to do to get around the police being able to do. track him is he decides I'm going to put a mask on and I'm going to wear a like a white like a

I think I said a blue long sleeve shirt and blue jeans anybody has that in their closet and I'm going to get one of those sweepers a little sweeping brush sweeper and a little pickup thing and a bag or or or a bag those costs like 40 bucks and so what he just does is he put an ad on Craigslist from the Clean Up Seattle Foundation, which is made up. And he says, look, we're paying like $15 an hour. And this is 10 years ago, right? 10, 15 years ago. To anyone that shows up at the corner of 56th Street and Bush Boulevard, whatever the name of the street was, right there at the Bank of America, you show up here with a mask, blue jeans, a long sleeve shirt, a sweeper, and he gives them the website on where they can buy this

material, and they're going to pay like 15 or, actually I think it was like 18 bucks an hour, 18 or 20 bucks. So it was a high. He's like, it wasn't so high that it was unreasonable, but it was much higher than anybody was paying because companies are laying people off left and right. He said, so I know he's going to get at least four or five people. He ends up getting like 20 people show up. So they end up, people start, people buy this stuff.

And they show up, he says, show up at 9.30 on Tuesday, whatever day it was, at this corner, if the site manager or if the site manager or whatever, your boss, if the cleanup foundation manager isn't there at exactly 9.30, start cleaning the area. He will show up within 30 minutes because he knew that's when the, that's when the armored truck shows up. So Anthony shows up with those people. He's standing there sweeping up everything. Yeah. Aloha. There's 20 people there. They're all dressed with the face masks. They've all got the bags to throw garbage in.

They've got the sweepers. They have the yellow vest. They're all wearing the same stuff. He goes, man, they were all, we were like clones, bro. There's 20 of them. He said, man, within 10 minutes. Mm-hmm. the truck shows up,

pulls up in the parking lot. He said, I made sure I was in that general area. So as soon as they pull up, and we're spread out. Now it's go time. The guy gets out. Imagine how fast your heart's going.

Oh, my God. As soon as that truck pulls up and you get all those people there and you're like, right now, I can walk away. Nobody knows. Nobody knows anything. But you're right at that

the fucking point where you get a fucking, then as soon as you start going into it, then's when it's just like, all right, let's fucking do it. it you know what's funny is um i interviewed that guy uh batman the uh the bank robber guy and he talks about it about how he had a a bank robbery that was set up by another guy and when and so it was him another guy and the guy that set up the bank robbery he said when they actually got there they all got in the car they're all about to go into the bank the guy that set it up

starts bawling just crying crying he looks at them there like, what are you doing, bro? What's going on? He's like, I can't do it. I can't do it. He's like, I'm so freaked out right now. I'm so, I'm trembling. This is a guy who burglarized houses.

He's done all kinds of stuff. He's going in a bank. He's just, I mean, hands. You know, they've got guns. He just, he couldn't do it. He said, it literally dropped them off across the street. And the guy watched those two of them rob the bank. But yeah, I can imagine getting there and being just like, I, just not being able to do it.

Like, you can walk away. You're terrified. Your heart's going. nuts. So, but not Anthony. Anthony does it. He takes three or four steps forward and he pulls out the bear mace and boom, shoots him, the guy right in the face. Guy hits the ground. Anthony grabs the, he grabs the bag and goes running. Now, the other problem is, remember, is jumping in a car and trying to get out of those areas

is difficult because now you're stuck on the road in a car. It's not hard. hard to track a blue car, red car, a white car. It's not that hard. So what he does is there is a canal and Anthony had left a full inner tube in the canal. So he runs and he jumps on the inner tube and he, and the canal the water goes pretty good, right? He told me he had started off he had a wave runner, like a jet ski. He did have a jet ski and he said he tried to go up the canal but It was so rocky that it had cracked the jet ski and actually, you know, filled it up. You know, they're hollow. Yeah.

Cracked it. He hit a rock with it, cracked it, and it broke. He said, so I realized it was just too shallow for me to use a jet ski because you could always hit a rock. Intertube. Inner tube. So he runs. And as he's running, he takes his mask off and throws it on the ground. But, you know, he said, I didn't think about it because he said, I would, my adrenaline, I don't even.

remember doing it. He said my adrenaline was going so fast. He runs, jumps on the inner tube, and then takes the inner tube and goes downstream and cuts across. He then takes the inner tube. He leaves it on the bank. He jumps into the trunk of a buddy's car. A buddy has a car there waiting with the trunk. Jump in the trunk and drives off. As he's driving off, he opens up the bag and starts looking for dye patches and everything. Can you imagine being in the car and a dye patch in the trunk. In the trunk? Oh, yeah. You're going to hop out

like one of them fucking blue dicks that beat the drums out in Vegas. He looks like a guy from Blue Man group. So, yeah, so what he does is he So the guy drives right down the street. He drives him like maybe eight blocks, pulls over, Anthony jumps out, doesn't have it, leaves the money.

He also told me that that guy didn't want to do it. Like he, at the last minute, tried to change his mind. Like, and he was, I think the guy was supposed to do it with him and didn't do it. And he said, look, at the least, at the very least, you have to drive the car. Like, go get the car. So he, and he said, I'll give you this much money. Like, the guy was just, another guy, he's terrified.

He's crying. He's upset. He's terrified. But he does drive the car. So he drives Anthony down the street, eight blocks. Anthony jumps out of the car, but Anthony's dressed okay. He is wet. He's soaking wet.

He said from the, from the waist down, he said, I'm soaking wet. But you couldn't tell. Like, I'm wearing khakis or blue jeans. He walks into a title company, because remember he's a real estate agent. So he walks into a title company and he says, and the secretary's there and he walks and he goes, hey, Jennifer, I was wondering, can I get a copy of my HUD statement, my closing statement when I closed that loan about two months ago? And she's like, yeah, sure, no problem, Anthony.

And just then he said, I could hear the sirens of the police. And he goes, what's that? Do you hear that? And she goes, yeah, I do. He goes, I wonder what happened. Like he tries, makes sure that she knows I'm standing here with you. Right, you're my alibi. When we hear that.

And I'm way, one, I'm across the canal. I'm down from the area. And I'm eight blocks away. I couldn't have gotten here in that amount of time. He asks her what time it is. He makes a time. He makes a phone call. Like he's doing everything to document.

This is where I was. And you couldn't even run at a full sprint and make it here. He said she never even notices that I'm dripping wet from the waist down. Never says a fucking thing. He's literally like a puddle of water is forming around. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the video. If you're interested in getting a painting done by me, my contact information is in the description box.

Enjoy the video. So she gives him the HUD statement. He talks, he chats everybody out, up, and then he leaves. Walks outside, meets up with his buddy, and they've got like $400,000. He cuts his buddy off a little bit of money. Never told on his buddy? No, he never told on it.

Anthony never told on anybody. And then he ends up going to, like, I think he and his wife end up getting into some kind of an argument or something, and he goes to Vegas. Parties in Vegas for a while. He, what else is?

He basically, I want to say it's months later, it's a few months later. But basically the FBI show up. They interview everybody. Oh, so while he's in the title company and the cops arrive, keep in mind with the description that the guard gives them. So the guard and the bank employees and everybody is giving the description, it's a guy. He's wearing a blue shirt, you know, long sleeve shirt. He's got blue jeans on. He's got a mask on.

He's holding one of those sweeper things. they're everywhere. There's 20 of them. They start arresting and handcuffing and zip tying all these guys standing around. They're all like, what the, you know, boom,

they're getting, get on the ground, they zip tie them, they get their information, they're questioning. Most of these people don't even know that the robbery occurred. There was no gun,

no car, no car squealed out of the parking lot. He ran up, shot the guy with the fucking maize, boom, grab the thing and ran. They weren't expecting it. Yeah.

So if you're 150 feet away or even 50 feet away, and your back's turned, you don't notice that any of this happened. So these people are just being suddenly attacked by the police and screaming and get down the ground. They're being handcuffed. So they're questioned. They're let go. I think they brought a few people downtown, guys that were close to his size.

Like if you're an overweight short woman, you're not going to, you know, they're not bringing you downtown. It's clearly a guy that robbed the plate. But some of the guys get brought downtown. They get questioned. They figured out it was a ruse. Yeah. They realize right away, this is ridiculous. This is the Thomas Crown Affair.

This is exactly what this is. And Anthony goes to Vegas. He parties. He has a good time. Months go by. They question everybody. They question everybody in the area. They've got tips coming in.

And the cops, you know, but the cops are casing the area. They're canvassing in the area. They can't find anybody. The FBI can't find anybody. So months go by and the FBI goes, you know what? Let's start over again. Like something's wrong here. Like something, we got to be able to figure this out.

So they start over again. And they just happen to come across. Because keep mind when the FBI comes in, like they'll put like two officers on it. And then they ask the local cops to help. Like go through all the tips and this and that. Well, what happens is after a couple months, the tip stop. So these guys go back and say, the FBI says, let's go through all the tips again. Because they didn't read all of them.

So they go back and they read. One tip, which was from a guy who worked on a road crew. And the guy on the road crew had called the police and said, listen, I have a, there's a homeless guy that came up to me and told me he knew who robbed the bank. He needed to talk to the police. He didn't quite understand that he wasn't the police or something. He's like, okay, well, what are he telling me? I'm just telling you, we, I got to, I know who did it. I got evidence.

I got this. He's like, man, get out of here and threw him a month. But then he thought about it and said, I'm going to call this in. He called it in and said, look, this is a homeless guy that's in the area. So the FBI looked at it and said, you know, let's talk to this guy. So they talk to the guy. They call the road crew guy. The road crew guy goes, all I can tell you is he was an older white guy with a beard, long hair, straggly,

and he had a little dog with him. I've seen him around. So the two FBI agents, they'll get a bunch of McDonald's hamburgers, And they go down to where in that same area where the homeless people hang out. They start passing out hamburgers. And they say, look, we're looking for a guy with long hair, white guy, older, beard, and a little dog. After a couple of people, they go, oh, that's Leroy. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Leroy stays in a bus out in the woods off of this street. Wow. They go to that street and as they park their car in the woods, they're walking through towards the bus. Leroy comes out of the bus with his little dog and says, I've been waiting for months for you guys to show up. And they're like, you know, hey. And he goes, yeah, this about that bank robbery?

And they go, yeah, he goes, yeah, I got the guy's license plate. What happened was when Anthony was casing the place, right? When he was watching the bank and watching the armored truck come in and the whole thing for those weeks, Leroy was in the parking lot, was in the alleyway with his dog. Anthony even saw him. He remember seeing him, but he's just some old homeless guy. He wasn't paying attention to me, but he was paying attention to him. And Anthony would take off his mask, take all of his stuff, his yellow vest, roll it up and stick it.

it into the, into the bushes and leave it there. So the old guy had seen him hide his stuff once or twice, went over and unraveled the whole thing and looked at it and thought, this is weird. He's got a yellow thing. He's got this stuff. He's got, like, why is he keeping it here? But he rolled it up and put it back. And he said, you know what?

If I see this guy again, I'm going to take his tag number down. So he said, sure enough, he'd seen him like two or three times. A couple days later, Anthony showed up again. Put the stuff on. The old man was watching. The old man wrote down the tag number, and it was Emily's car. So the cops go, okay, they look up Emily's car. They go, okay, well, that's a woman.

But this woman is on the title to a house with a man. They look up Anthony Curseo. Sure enough, Anthony Curseo is like six foot one, athletic, the right age. So they start following Anthony. Because one of the other things I didn't mention was the only piece of evidence they had. They have no evidence, but they do have the mask. And they do have DNA from the mask. But they ran the DNA against everything they had and they couldn't match it.

So the only piece of equipment or only piece of evidence they have is the mask. So they watch Anthony, they watch Anthony for whatever, weeks and weeks. And at some point, I think Anthony was. dipping or something and had thrown his dip away or was it a can of soda whatever it was they go and they get a copy of his DNA and sure enough it's a perfect match now they now they can rest now they come in and they arrest him when they arrest him they start adding up all of the like here's some cell phone here's this he's trying to tell him that's not true this is what happened boom boom boom but the the truth is is that they've got as they unraveled the whole thing

and saw who he hung out with and who he talks to before and after they'd ended up getting a warrant and I think they ended up talking to one of the guys that worked at the Brinks place that he did know somehow, and they talked to him. One of those guys had rolled over on him. So now he's got one guy, but this was after they got him. Like, had he not dropped the mask, it would have been the perfect crime. Yep. But now he's got a guy that's rolled over on him. They had no evidence.

Yeah, they have no evidence. So now they've got a guy that rolled over on him, and they've got, they end up finding some of the money. And they've got the DNA. How do they find the money? Where was that? I think the guy gave him. The other guy that said, hey, okay, this is what happened. And I can tell you where I think he's put some of the money.

Like he was in a safe somewhere and they found, went and found some of the money. I forget exactly. I'm a little iffy on that. But he ends up getting, so he ends up getting, yeah, he ends up getting arrested and he pleads guilty. There was, keep in mind, there was no, there was no gun. So he didn't get a lot of time. I think he got like four or five years. Basic jobs that you found that you would find at Armored Car Company is the very basic is the driver.

He knows the route, knows nothing much else. He runs the radio. And then you have, we called him a messenger. He's the guy that goes into the bank. And he does all the paperwork. He knows the route forwards and backwards, knows all of his customers, knows which keys they need. and he's basically the boss of the truck and then a third one would be the ATM guys

and they fill up all the ATMs and there's a myriad of other things behind the scenes but they're not those like the ATM guys and the messenger and driver like they're not they're not going out at the same time right like they're on two different routes right yeah they're usually on different routes

The ATEM guys usually keep to themselves. Okay. And once you get the money, you go back to like a warehouse, like a secured warehouse and unload the money and they count the money. There's a whole separate crew that counts all the money. They have a money room. And the messenger, he never actually touches raw cash money. never it's always bagged with an address never an amount and right so you you get your manifest in the morning you load your truck triple check everything sign it off and you

go out on your route um so but you start so you started as a messenger no i started off as a driver Oh, okay. I drove the Hickory run for close to a year. Hickory's a little town up north of Charlotte. Okay. And so when did you, I thought you said you had become a messenger or then you went to a Yeah, there was a, I'll call it an incident at Wells Fargo. And I ended up becoming a messenger.

and then later a vault superintendent what i mean what was uh like layoffs or was that the layoffs or yeah they had a a large layoff and a lot of people we were really shorthand a lot of people got promoted i probably got promoted i probably should have never been promoted probably past driver um to be brutally honest i was really good at being driver i understood the route i knew all the safety procedures and I was really good at it and I probably should have never went past that um so had I have a question because like I said I only reason I know this is like is money come up missing before does it just come up missing sometimes um I'm sure it does um usually the biggest thing was they would lose coins because they they haven't boxed up

and one of our horror stories was bad rainstorm got caught in was out taking in a load of coin the boxes got wet and busted coins go everywhere and they had to go out there with brooms and sweep it up sweep it all up that the guy um jemal that i did the story on he told me that one time a guy came and turned in the bags, right? Like, here's, you know, the messenger came in. Here's the bag. He said, he scanned them all in. And like the manifest or whatever, he's like, okay, you're missing a bag.

You're missing like 60 grand. And he said, and the guy, I've been there like three years. And he was like, no. He goes, yeah. He said, yeah, look, shows him. And he goes, huh. So he goes back and he goes, let me check the truck. Goes back in, checks the truck.

Comes back. He goes, it's not in the truck. He goes, are you sure he goes, I'm just telling you, says you're supposed to have eight bags? He got seven. And he's like, oh, wow. And he said, okay, he goes, he said, so he makes a note. He said, I'll get still figure it out later. I don't know.

He said, made a note, turned it in, explained the whole thing. Guy went home. Guy came back the next day. They talked to him. He's like, no, I mean, they said, they called the branch. They were like, you picked it up. He's like, what should be here? It just acted like, I don't know.

And he ended up not getting, like, they didn't fire him. They were like, it's just, I don't know what happened. They kept him on. Like, he just locked, I want to say it was 60 grand, but it may have been 30. I know there was two different events. Then he said, he said, like, they literally kept him on. He was, listen, he was about two weeks later, he shows up on a brand new $12,000 motorcycle. And I was like, I was like, no.

And I swear he is when I, he was, I remember looking at him going, nice biking. Yeah, you like that? And just kept on walking, like, yeah. And he's like, like, I just took him for this. They did nothing happen to him. Now, another time, he said there was a woman, same basic thing, but she had pulled up. And so when they checked the, when she showed up, same thing, I'm missing money. They were like, that's weird.

They went back and checked the surveillance, and she had stopped the vehicle, got out, went to her car, and came back. And they were like, no, something's wrong. So they actually called the police, went to her car, and found the money. She's fired. And he goes, but the thing is, he's like, I don't, they recover the money. He goes, they just fired her. They didn't press charges or anything. Because they don't want the publicity.

Right. They don't want that in the news. They don't want to be in the news at all. One of the things I do remember is we had a messenger. He went all around, he went for like five or six stops on his route. And I think there was like $175,000 cash. There was a little spot on the back bumper. And this bag, a big.

cloth bag fit right in that little nook. Right. And he rode around, I think it was Morrisville. I'm not sure, but it's somewhere in Western North Carolina, he rode around for like an hour and a half with $175,000 on the back on the bumper of the truck. Did he stop, did it fall off? Did he stop and notice it?

Oh, he, uh, when he got to his next stop, he noticed and, you know, but it Wow. I mean, yeah. Well, so, I mean, I know, you know, I think obviously what they want to do is they want the public to feel like, hey, this is a super secure industry.

We dot all our eyes. We cross all our T's super secure. Everybody's paid well. Everybody's trained. They're all professional. But the truth is that's not what's really happening. Basically on that the emperor has no clothes. Right.

You go to a, I look back on it now, and the gun training we got was poor. You're firing an old, they used a 38 special back then, and the range is maybe seven, eight feet to the target. And it's a huge, it's bigger than life-sized target. And you only need to hit it about eight out of ten times. And you get to, everybody gets to fire a shot gun. And it's, it's a really sad joke. It's, he was saying the guy I had interviewed, he was like, they tell you, like, give up the money. like if you're in a crowded place give up the money like don't we don't want pedestrian shot we don't

get into a gun fight if they show somebody shows up pulls a gun you're in a crowded place to you know give the money immediately do what they say you got a better chance of survival blah blah blah yeah but basically they tell you run away yeah and and if the driver is watching you because they're supposed to watch you in the mirror not all of them do he sees you run away he's supposed to drive away as well that way you lose that one stop. Right. And that's it. Okay.

So, I mean, what happened? You're working there and you're working overtime. You're not making great pay. You're married. You're, you know, is your wife work? Yeah, my wife at the time worked. Okay. Did you have kids?

No, no kids. Okay. What happened was over time, you know the stress of the job and the stress of my life we just bought a house two new cars and we're getting by but just as long as i keep working long hours we'll be fine and that that's started to wear on me and you know i probably had other issues from before and it starts to build up and i'm getting i got desperate and then when they came and suggested this to me it looked like a way out right who who suggested it um kelly campbell and her uh friend uh chris uh no one chris

who was uh i'm probably going to get a heat man now for not remembering the guy's name um chambers oh chambers chambers yeah john chambers or was his first name uh hell chambers something chambers okay yeah i just actually just watched you know earlier i actually i can picture him you know it um he was like a like a thought he was like a mob guy or something but he was actually just a small time kind of petty crook he'd been in prison before too right he'd he'd he'd get in trouble i don't know yeah he'd he well i i know that what they said was he had actually um he'd actually had problems with the law before and i believe they said he had a federal case before i don't know if he did prison time but he definitely had like a federal case

i don't know um i've never really cared enough to dig you know what's funny is that just talking to you like i would meet guys in prison and they would some guys would come to me and say hey this guy's got an amazing story you have to hear a story and then we'd go and we'd sit down and talk and i'd take notes and just to see if it was worth writing a story. And they didn't know a ton of stuff about their case. Like, they never looked into it. Like, they got sentenced. They knew they got five years.

I got to do five years. And then they just kicked back and they walked the track. They joined a softball game. Maybe they learned to play an instrument. They read books. They're like, I'm just going to whittle away this time. And they never looked into it. Some guys didn't look into it because they were just like, I can't believe I'm here.

I don't want to think about it. And other guys, I just don't think that they realize they could look into it. And so I would interview these guys, and they didn't, if I decided to write their story, I would order the Freedom of Information Act on them. I'd get their case file. I'd get all the notes and the interviews. And I would be able to come to them and say, here's what happened. Remember you said this and you didn't know why that was? Here's what happened.

And then I'd tell them what the FBI file said. This person got arrested. He cooperated. He told this guy. They contacted the FBI. And that's why they were waiting for you. But, you know, so you not knowing isn't, I'm not laughing at. you i'm just it's like i'm amazed because i'm so super inquisitive about everything i would have just

like i would have been that whole five years or however much time you know you did i would have been looking into it the whole time yeah i think my attitude was it doesn't really concern me i really don't care you just wanted to get i just want to do my time and i spent most of my time playing softball reading books um i studied a lot of psychology books um and read i must have read 1520 self-help books because i came to a realization that there was something slightly wrong with me and we needed to address that yeah that this was an option this was this you know because for most people it's which always kills me is like as desperate as they get and i get the the desperation because i've been i mean i'm kind of like in this

i mentioned this to my wife all the time i'm like listen like we're a bad car accident or a medical issue where you know we're where if anything goes wrong we go down like the titanic you know maybe we can go for a month or two but that's it and and that worries me and and so i get exactly what you're saying but what most people don't think is hey i can do this most people don't think i can commit a crime um and correct this issue And, you know, I think, obviously, that's what separates people, you know, obviously, you know, criminals from, or people that have criminal intent. I think anybody will commit a crime in the right search situation. But to me, my, one of my first, my first thought is fraud.

Here's how I'll fix it. You know, and then I have to, now I realize, it's probably, what you probably do is work a little harder, you know, cut back a little bit more. but you but Kelly came to you yeah and she proposed the the thought you know how do you feel about robin Fargo and she knew I wasn't real keen on the company right um because I had a superintendent uh or manager threatened threatened my job and thumb I'm thinking about going going away anyway um and I said you know it would it really wouldn't be that It's just a matter of what day and understanding that the weekend schedule, it would be the easiest, and you'd have the most time to get away.

Right. I said it'd have to be on the weekend, probably a Saturday, would be easiest. That's when there'll be, you know, back then the Charlotte Vault had a very strict schedule. It was like every other Saturday. There's a fairly large amount of money. in the vault cash as opposed to certain weekends it'd be 98% checks back when we used paper checks back in the dinosaur days i still write checks i still write them nobody else does i haven't

laughed at me i haven't written a paper check in that would have been back in like 2015 if you're hipper than i know i just got out oh i'm a big i'm a big guy on convenience and utility you know um so okay so here's the the the my my next question is but you didn't think to yourself yeah we could set up a robbery or we could a bag could go missing we could get a couple hundred thousand you thought i can empty out the entire vault of 17 million dollars and walk away clean yeah um that's a huge leap well here's my thought if you're going to to break the law. Go all in?

All in or don't go. Right. You know, because what was that movie? I think it was he, where the bad guy told the cops, see, you think I got born to lose tattooed on my chest, I'm robbing 7-Elevens? No, no, no. Right. And I'd seen that movie prior to doing this, and I'm all, you know, he's got a point.

That is one of my favorite movies. It is, um, from, from my point of view as prior military and, you know, seeing the gun fight, the gun battle, that's probably one of the coolest running gun battles you'll ever see in a movie. Most realistic.

And very realistic. Extremely realistic. Yeah, because they're actually reloading. They're moving from point to point. And it goes back to military. If you're not shooting, you need to be moving. If you're not moving,

you need to be reloading. Yeah, De Niro and Pacino. That's a great mass. Great, great me. I don't want, want to watch that movie again um um so okay so i mean so you got so how long does it take before you decide you know what this is i mean clearly your wife's not going to be okay with it oh no i knew i knew that that she would she would lose her shit if i'd have mentioned it and i'm thought

oh and i come to realization that i'm going to have to walk away from everything and i'm weighing it in my head this goes on for four or five days i'll go all right i'm going to go for it i've never done anything outrageous in my life this is it i'm going to change my life i'm going to probably end up down in costa rica sitting on a beach fishing and that's where i want to go that's what i'm to do. Are, were you thinking about changing your identity or how, how are you going to get out the country? Is any of that a concern?

And, well, I thought about it backwards. I thought, where do I want to go? How am I going to get there? And I looked into the Cayman Island banks. I looked into Costa Rica. And I looked at the FBI and some crime statistics. And I figured, okay. most criminals stay in like a 500,

three or 500 mile circle of their home. The cops catch a lot of people at their mama's house. Right. Okay. Because when they, people know they've done something wrong, they won't feel safe. And they don't want to leave that little bubble.

I'm like, okay, if I get outside that bubble, my chances increase. So I've got to get out of the country as quickly as possible. And, well, I mean, for one thing,

just just leaving your home is gutsy yeah i mean people don't realize that they don't you know you have to walk away from everything that you every comfort everything that makes you feel comfortable you have to leave and most people don't leave you know 95% of the country never leaves the united states you know half those ever leave even the state that they live in you know so so it's you're picking up leaving not calling not coming back not just walk away from everything like that alone even if you weren't already wanted. Yeah. And, you know, that's already gutsy.

So, so my other question is, did you think that there was going to be heat on you? Did you think that the media would get, were you thinking this will be in the news? Or did you think, oh, there'll be an article and that'll be it? I knew it would be a big story, especially for that area. Because even before I really came up with a solid plan, what I thought was a solid plan, I knew about how much money it would be. I knew it would be more than 10 and less than 20, 20 million. And I knew that would be a huge story.

There had been a, Alums Fargo had been robbed like a year or two earlier of like 18 million. Did you know about that? Yeah, it was big news. Matter of fact, it was the, I can't remember if he robbed the Tallahassee branch or the Jackson Jacksonville, I think. Yeah, it was a Jacksonville branch, which is where I live now. So, and I've met that guy. Really?

He, well, at the time, he was, he was a little messed up. You met him after? Oh, no, I met him, like, in passing in prison. Oh, okay. And I was like, okay. But he was a completely different type thing. He kidnapped the dude. dude. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it was a miss. But I think he beat me by a few million.

Right. Yeah, this was like 18. I want to say, because I remember thinking that it was roughly about a million more. And I was thinking yours was 17. It was 17.5, but I was thinking 17. I think they said 18. So I remember thinking it was about a million. It was roughly a million. So, okay, so, so what about Kelly? Like, why, like, everything I saw, like, everything I saw, They said you and Kelly were close, that you, you know, you guys hung out together. When I first started at Fargo, I was friends with her driver. All the drivers kind of hang out together. And so I ended up talking to Kelly.

And I ended up driving for her for quite a while. And we just hit it off. Okay. So when she came to you just trusted her, you were friends. But she wasn't there anymore, though, right? Yeah. She had quit, got fired. I'm not really sure.

Once again, it's one of those things where it didn't concern me. I didn't look into it. So you decided you were going to do it. You talked to her. Talk to her. And what was the plan? The basic plan was for them to get me a fake ID, which we did, which back then was way easier. And what would, what I would do was we'd pick a Saturday.

And I would basically empty the ball. At first, they only wanted me to take, I think he said, $250,000, and then he came back, I'll get $1 or $2 million. I'm like, no, we're not doing that. If I do this, I'm going to take enough money so that I won't have to ever come back because I won't be able to. Okay. And as it worked out, the original plan.

was I wanted to get at least 15 which worked out pretty good and it was like here's your five here's your five just make sure you deliver my five anything that's left after that you can have you can keep it I only want my five and they're oh yeah that'd be great and I didn't know that they were already planning to vote me off the island right this is this is like third almost 30 years ago close to it yeah the $5 million seven very years ago yeah um that's a ton of money imagine if we'd have got that money to the cayman islands back then because back then the camon islands were wide open and paying really good interest too you could have gotten it i mean they would have issued you a citizenship and a passport probably with just yeah like i mean they've

got sank kits right now i think if you you buy a you just buy a piece of property for like $350,000. They'll give you a passport. They'll make you a citizen. They have economic citizen. Yeah, yeah. So what happened? So that day you just decide, hey, I'm going to, you're going to be, you guys are going

to be waiting. I'll let you know when I, I mean, you grab the money and what happened. So I picked October the 4th. I knew about what was going to be in the vault and went into work just, just, just normal. Right. I think we met one or two more times. And we made a run to get my big quote unquote fake ID, which was just a state ID.

Yeah, I was going to say the FBI when they interviewed like your friends, your wife, friends from the military, like every single one of them. Your wife, too, she was like, no, like nothing, nothing has she. change like he is he is you know on a schedule he's always the same behaved like you didn't very like even made like a doctor's appointment or a dentist appointment or something you'd even made like an appointment for like the week or two prior to that like like you were going to be there like everything like there's nothing that says this guy should not have come home that day and everything you know went to the grocery store did this did that you know whatever walk the dog took the garbage like didn't argue there was no fight there was nothing like

everything and all of the everything was the same and all of your your buddies were like this is absolutely 100% uncharacteristic of this guy this is a guy that follows the rules this is a hard worker this guy's conscientious this is you know this is you know they said if there was anything i remember one of the guys had said that if there was anything abnormal about you at all. They said he's kind of a loner. That was it. Like that's like the worst thing they could say about you. But you know, he's kind of a loner. Like so, which I guess

is to say, he is the kind of guy that he's not afraid to be alone or walk away. A lot of guys have to be social. Yeah. That was it. I've never been a social butterfly. Yeah, that's Um, so this was just totally out of character. And, and now that I'm much older,

I had to be a cold-hearted SOB. I had to be. That was the only way. You had to put on that mask and wear it all the way to the door. Because if I'd acted any different, the whole world would have known. Right. You know, because I did have a schedule. I got, I went to bed at the same time, I got it up.

I carried two sandwiches, an apple or some fruit. I mean, it was almost like I had some weird OCD, you know, because I carried the same thing for lunch almost all the time. and I'm still that way. I love to have a schedule. Like being late today, aggravated me. You have no idea.

And it was everything that was completely out of my control. Right. I like to be on time. It's, it's, I don't know if it's from the way I was raised, but there's something about, if I say, I'm going to be here at noon,

I'm going to be there at 1145, usually. Yeah, it's funny. my dad, and I actually say the same thing, is that, you know, being on time as being 15 minutes early. Yeah. But you were only like 10 minutes late. So, so you went into work and you, the trucks come in, you count the money, you check it in. What were you doing that day?

Just check it in. I was in charge of the vault. And in the morning, I made sure everybody got all their load out in the morning, make sure they had all their paperwork. Send them out. And then the rest of the day, you're pretty much sitting there listening to the radio, listening to the company radio for the trucks. If they have a problem, they call in. You're basically just sitting there scratching your butt until they start coming back.

And they call, Kelly and them, they must have called me out how many times. Are you sure you're going to go through with this? Like, yeah, don't worry about me. You know, when I tell you, I'm coming out the door, I'm coming out the door. And finally, the truck started coming back. And we had a guy that he was a messenger, and they said, hey, we want you to stay with Dave, kind of learn it. And he'll be in charge. And he'll show you what to do.

And worked with him. Great guy, though. I hate, I hate, I kind of hate I did that to him, but finally got to the last bit. I said, hey man, if you want to take off, it's going to take me a while. If you want to take on off, I got you covered. So he leaves, and I mock, lock up everything. I don't set the timer on the vault, nothing, I don't, I don't spend the big wheel on it. I mock lockup

go out I see his tail lights going around the corner I turn back around go right back in the building right disarmed the

security system move my van and this is kind of where the plan goes to shit because I had planned on there was two doors they were offset one at the front one at the back

And I was planning on going out the back entrance. And for some reason, oh, I'll get to that. But for some reason, it wasn't working that night. It didn't work that night. So I had to go. But anyway, I pushed the first bin out there. And it was mostly small bills. And by the time I was done, I had a pile of money that was about three and a half, four foot tall, nine feet long.

and weighed over a ton. The F-250 van that I was loading, the armored van, when I started, the back bumper was pretty high up on me. When I was done, it was pretty low. Right.

So you, so then this is after every truck's already come in, dropped off the money, and gone. Yeah, all the trucks are done. Nobody's coming back.

Nobody's supposed to be coming back anything. And you're just there alone. I'm, there alone so you load up the so you loaded up the truck you get in the truck and you just well yeah um and i'd scouted out and found the security VHS tapes and i'd secured two or three of them and i missed one somehow they had another recorder up in the ceiling yeah right and i didn't get that one yeah that's i was going to say they they showed the footage of that one

where they're like I guess when the when eventually you leave and they call in saying something's wrong yeah you know when they show back up the next day or later that you know I think it was the next day they show up the next day and they start call people start calling in you know your wife's calling in people are calling in they say you know he didn't show up um there and and everything's open yeah so they're like it's completely wide open when the FBI or the detective come. The FBI, they find that tape. And I guess they had to wait for a manager, somebody to come and open the back to find the tape. But when they find it, the

manager, or I don't know what he was, the, you know, I'll say the manager of the place when he saw that it was you, because they assumed you'd been kidnapped. Somebody had taken the money, kidnapped you. They were concerned that you were hurt because he certainly had nothing to do with it. And so when they saw you, they said, like, The manager, you've got to watch it. The manager is like, oh, my God. He's like, that's David Gantz.

That's David. That's like, they were like, the FBI officer's like, he kept saying it over and I'm like, oh, my God. Like he was absolutely in shock. Yeah. That you were, that he was watching you load the vehicle. And to buy myself, time, I stole almost all their keys. Right. Yeah, that slowed them down a lot.

Slowed them in also when they eventually. found the truck yeah law enforcement often questions him not because he suspected of a crime but because they find him fascinating he is the most interesting man in the world i don't typically commit crime but when i do it's bank fraud stay greedy my friends support the channel join matthew cox's patreon so what happened when you left there where did you go when you left with the truck them that place. It was some sort of aluminum recycling place where we met and they had rigged the gate that when I pulled up, it would open and I got out and the sky comes walking up on me. And he says, don't worry, I'm with you. Just give me the keys. I hand him the keys and this

becomes important later. I say, this is the keys to the van. They open all the doors. Don't. don't put it in the box, the big box of keys. Okay, because I had a box in between the front seats filled with every key in Wells Fargo. Okay. This, we'll come back around to this. This becomes important later. And I've already got my little bit of money I'm going to take with me

because I didn't know how much money I could get through a metal detector with at the airport. I was unsure, you know, so I didn't take that much money. So Kelly and I get in her truck and we go to Columbia, South Carolina, where they've got an airport. I didn't know at the time that their airport closed at like nine. So I ended up scrapping Plan A, going to Plan B, hop on a bus in Columbia, South Carolina, go from Columbia, South Carolina. go from Columbia, South Carolina, to Atlanta, Georgia, hop on a plane in Atlanta, from Atlanta to New Orleans,

New Orleans to Cancun, Mexico. And you just, and back then you didn't need a passport, right? Didn't need a passport. So you're out of the country before they even know the place has been robbed. I'm eating lunch in Mexico about the time the news breaks. um so what was the they were supposed to get you five million five million yes okay um and how much did you leave with probably about 45 or 50 thousand thereabouts okay so you so what what what when did you first see that it was on the news um i had to since i was in mexico

I had to actually kind of dig and I found um what was it I found a newsstand they had might have been the New York yeah the New York Times and they had it wasn't it didn't make the front page not for them um and I found a little blurb about it I thought okay we're good I didn't think it was that big of story I thought all right good I mean I knew that the FBI would be after me, but I didn't think that I was pretty sure they wouldn't go digging in New Mexico hard. Right. But it became bigger later, right?

Like, it didn't it, when they started looking. Yeah. Okay. And that takes us back to, you know, the van that they left with $3 million in it, I think it was. Yeah, they had an issue moving all. there was such a bulk, because most of the money was in 20s, right? Yeah. So it was so, there was so much mass to it that they couldn't move it all.

Yeah. And they left like three and a half million in the, in the, what kills me is that they didn't come back for it. Yeah. Like they just left it. Yeah. Why would you leave money on the table? Right.

Exactly. Why wouldn't you, I mean, go remove the money, dump the money that you've got, come back. No, we even knows it's gone yet. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they weren't the brightest. No, they weren't.

And to be honest, neither was I. but well you know i mean so do you know what the issues were once you were in mexico do you know what the issue why you know why they got on to them so quickly you were saying you've never you've never really watched any of this stuff well my guess is this we live in a small town if you go from a double wide right to a multi-million dollar mansion. And pay in cash. Paying cash.

And you go from driving a hoopty to driving a beamer. You go from a cubic of zirconium to an actual diamond. People notice. And this guy tried to pass himself off as a former professional football player. Right. And I don't know what you know about the, a lot of, football fans and, you know, people are rabid fans about their, their football. Yeah.

They knew he wasn't a cowboy from any season. Yeah. He, he, um, his wife was telling him. So they actually moved from the small town where they were in. They moved to not far from where, uh, where the Loomis building, where you'd rob the Loomis building. And, you know, and they, it was, and it was already a little town, but it happened to have a, uh, this really nice gated community and they bought that house there with cash and when i say with cash i don't mean like you know we typically people will say oh i paid it cash paid for it cash

doesn't mean you paid for it in one lump sum with a check it's literally this guy paid in cash so that raised huge red flags oh yeah it would his wife um what was his name again oh chambers chambers chambers chambers chambers wife i should if i i thought you were to know all these or i would I would have written a list down. So his wife starts trying to launder the money and literally walks into a bank, opens up a bag of cash and says, how much of this can I deposit before I have to fill out the paperwork for the government? And the woman says, like, you know, well, up to 10,000. She goes, okay, she says, listen, it's not drug money. everything that you could have said

that is going to get a suspicious activity report filed on you you've just said drug money what's the maximum limit that nobody won't be reported I mean everything that right then it's like this is so overly suspicious and of course they immediately fill out a report and not just that but people start calling friends of their start calling saying or you know friends starts calling saying, listen, Loomis was robbed, and these two knuckleheads were living in a double

wide. They just bought a multi-million dollar mansion in this small town with cash. Yeah. They're driving expensive vehicles, and the guy's a knucklehead, you know, and somehow another has come up with all this cash. Yeah. So immediately, the FBI get on to them. Oh, yeah.

Very quickly. And it's no surprise to me. Right. And then they watched them for a while. And it became so overwhelming that something was wrong. They convinced a federal judge to give them, allow them to start listening to their, to their phone calls. And then when they, and then they, they had watched long, the FBI officer said, look, we listened long enough that the search warrant is only good for so long. Yeah.

That it was about to expire. You know, whatever, whether it was a, they got a 30 day or 60, I don't know. But it was just about to expire when Kelly received a page or a phone call from you. And you had scheduled a time. And one, you needed more money. So they were trying to arrange to send you more money. And two, they had arranged a time for you to call a pay phone. But she wasn't there.

She missed the appointment or something because, you know, I guess she had better things to do than try and maintain the robbery, which is a big problem for criminals. They, once they get the money, they forget about maintenance. So, but I guess they said the FBI was waiting. They had a tap on the phone. You called. She wasn't there. The office, one of the FBI officers walks over because they needed to hear you. yeah walked over grab the phone and listen and said hey hello and then you said something on the

phone where they heard your voice and then they were like you know i forget i think he said you like you said something you had a little brief exchange and they hung up the phone but they were like that's him like we've got them but you hung up so fast they couldn't get a trace yeah um one of the things that's never come out in any of the interviews is i'm on the other end And I'm time on our phone. Right. Phone calls. I bought a really expensive watch just for this.

It was one of the extravagances I did. I bought a nice omega, what was it? I've mastered. My memories stretched then, but it was a nice omega watch. And I'm watching the time every time we talk. And I'm keeping it around two to three minutes. Yeah, I was going to say, like now they'd know where you were immediately. But back then, yeah.

back then it took them time to trace it especially out of the country oh yeah back then um oh this goes back to me doing my research i found out that they they could trace a phone but it took them two and a half to three minutes right um and like you said outside the country even longer because they've got to contact the country and deal with back dealing with the mexican government back then would have been a nightmare, I'm sure. So what were you thinking when you're in Cancun? You're in Cancun, you're hanging out, how long has it been? And what are you waiting for?

Are you waiting for them to figure out how to bring you your money? Yeah. What's going through your head? Well, I'm in Cancun and I'm moving from place to place. And I'm starting to get concerned. that this should have been easy. You can smuggle anything you want into Mexico. Yeah.

Easy. Going south, easy. Easy as pie. And I'm like, all you had to do is box it up. Send it UPS. Easy, easy. Stick it in a car. They're not stopping cars going into Mexico.

You just drive down here. Could have bought a hooptie, an old station wagon, van, whatever. filled it up drove it down done deal forget about me so all right but that's not happening what what is happening do you know do you um the gist of it is they've had a a meeting and they've decided they're going to kill they're going to kill me right and he's going to hire he's got a buddy McKinney and they're going to hire him he's going to go down to Mexico and kill me right and the FBI hears this the FBI hears this and that that's when they really start

looking to figure out exactly where I'm at in Mexico right because they have a bigger issue now yeah now it's not okay there's some missing money we can print the money again there's insurance there's now somebody's going to get killed and they realize also that you know there's bigger players involved and more serious players where you were doing something that was nonviolent you were taking advantage of an opportunity these guys are ready to start killing people they think they're gangsters i went out of my way to avoid violence right you know i didn't because and i know this sounds hypocritical of me none of that money was worth a drop of human blood right i would have set the money on fire before i'd hurt somebody so so what so

at what point or do you know that they're obviously they're they've got their There are phones tapped and they're listening. Do you know what happened and how did the FBI figure out where you were? I'm not sure exactly, but I'd move down to Cozumel and Playa Del Carmen. We're getting towards the end of it. See, that would have been January or so that year. And I'm talking to Kelly Campbell and I hear a. second click after she hangs up and we'd had a conversation later listen i told her i told them

your phone's tapped i heard a second click because that was one of the tell tell signs back in the olden days that your phone was tapped um you could hang on just a second you'd hear hear them hang up it go click and then you hear a second click right and the tap would be broken yeah because the the the line was still alive. It was really like a second person holding the phone in the same room. Yeah. So they had to wait and you'd hang up and then they'd hang up. Yeah, back then it was very analog.

Right. And so now I'm thinking something's not right. And McKinney had come down to Mexico and had brought me some money. It brought me like seven, excuse, seven, eight thousand bucks. which made me suspicious the way he acted made me suspicious and the the the cherry on top of the cake was after he left one of the guys one of the Mexicans he was working with came by my apartment his nickname was Gordo he's a big guy um and he says you you know that this guy is planning on killing you and like that i have a shock

And I tipped the guy handsomely. You were shocked? Shocked. Okay. I mean, because to me, it made, I was very naive. It made no sense. There was plenty of money for everybody. Right.

Why don't it just pay you and just... Pay me and forget about me. I mean, they're, they're, from their perspective, and I'm only, I'm only saying this because I've watched, you know, the, um, the documentaries and the, the FBI agent was saying, he's like, the problem is, is that from their perspective, they're thinking, everybody knows you took the money. Nobody knows, and from their mind, obviously the FBI does know,

but they're thinking everybody knows that Gant took the money, but they don't know who we are. So if he dies, then it dies with him. He took the money. They find some money. They assume he's hidden the money.

They'll never get to us. Of course, they already had gotten to them. They didn't know that. So they're thinking, you know, cut off the head of the snake and then, you know, the whole thing will die down. You know, not that I think you, not that I think that's a justified reason, but you're not wrong. But you know, but I don't know, I think I took it personal for a long time and I'm working with that. I'm working, processing through that feeling of disgust. But, oh, that's a whole different story.

Um, so what, what, what happens? So the guy tells you that. What do you think? Are you thinking I'm fucking, I'm out of here or? Um, weirdly, after this, every time I meet, he was calling himself Bruno. Um, every time I meet Bruno, it's in a very public place. And I've, I've bought myself a knife and sharpened it up. Every time we meet, it's in public.

It's face to face. And I don't let him, you know, close to me. And we end up staying in Plyde L. Carmen. He brought me some money. And this is right there at the end of it. And I'm at the Turtle La Tortuga Hotel when the FBI picked me up. How did that happen? it was weird because it was a very touristy town

during the week there's no gringoes right I was an oddball and then when there were three more gringos in town it was a little strange and I noticed them I even talked to one of them at one point and eventually I'd gone out to do laundry

and they thought I was making a break for and they thought I was running And they caught me coming back to the hotel. And the FBI agent comes up and says, Hey, Mr. Gant, I know who you are. You're under arrest. And that was the beginning of the end, so speak. Had Kelly and everybody already been arrested at that point?

Yeah, they had already arrested them, rounded them up. I think they had even got Bruno at the same time. I want to say, and I don't know this, I do remember, and it's funny because I only watched a few bits and pieces. I'm really remembering this from seeing it 20 years ago. I want to say that Chambers, they grabbed him and he told them where you were. I could be wrong. I do know that when they grabbed him, he immediately rolled over on air. He rolled over like a horrible old egg.

Right. So they may, he may have been, he may have told them exactly where you were, you know, for all I know. Or maybe they had been tracing the phones and they had figured out by that point. I don't know. But they grabbed you. Did they bring you to a local police station? Or did they bring you straight to the airport? No, they brought me, I spent the night with the Mexican Federales, and they were going to, big air quotes here,

deport me from Mexico, okay, and they put me on an airplane flight that just happened to have two FBI agents. All right. So, okay, so they don't need to extradite you. Um, so you show up back in, did you, where'd you fly into? Um, flew, I think we went straight to Charlotte. Okay. You're processed in by the, uh, marshals. Marshals right there in Charlotte, McLeanburg.

And they put me on the sixth floor, which is like their version of Max. Okay. Um, because the story had exploded. Right. Um, um, um, what? And so when, you know, when the, did they explain to you, hey, these guys, they're going to kill you. Oh, yeah. Me and the FBI agent had a long, long conference.

We actually became friends, oddly. Yeah, he seemed like, look, I've watched a lot of these. Like, he, he genuinely seemed to like you. And like, like, I've never seen one of these where they just didn't have, is that they had a lot of bad things to say about chambers. They had, they really portray them as just been. bumbling idiots. But he, none of the FBI interviews portray you as anything other than just being a nice guy who was frustrated with his situation and saw the opportunity and took it.

Yeah. Like that's how they. And that's not far from wrong. Right. I see myself as an opportunist. And I think most humans are opportunist. If they. In the right circumstances.

In the right circumstances. says anybody would have done what I did. So when you come back, you have a long conversation with him. Like, what's the conversation? I told him my version of the story, and he asked more and more questions. And I think one of the things that kind of impressed him about me, I'm going to make a huge assumption here, is I explained my logic behind everything. and how I looked at the crime itself and told him about my research.

And he's like, you put a lot of thought into, I'm like, yeah, you guys are easy to beat on any given day. You approach every crime the exact same way. It's a chess game. If I know that you're going to lead with your palm out in front and then a night's, coming behind it, I can figure out how to beat your ass. You can't account for. You can't account for the nine million other things that can go wrong. Yeah.

I said I always say whenever people say, oh, have you ever think about crime? I'm like, or do you think you could get away with what you did today? I always think, yeah, I can. My problem is you cannot account for the fly in the ointment. Yeah. Like you just, there's just no accounting force. someone's screwing up or a mistake or you know in this case like had had chambers had they gone with the plan let's let's let them sit down there wait a month or two give them some money

wait a month or two bring down a couple million wait a couple made another month bring down a couple more a million because you never know if you're going to to me i'd be afraid what if i get pulled over by the police they search the car if they get the money um i would have been more like hey let me bring you a couple million wait a couple million bring you the last million and you're good you know had they done that then you know maybe you do get caught later maybe you go to Costa Rica maybe something happens you get caught later but at least they followed that portion of the plan yeah um but you know that but you can't account for what happened with them was from the very get-go they decided to double cross you yeah how are you going to figure that out how do you

know that yeah how do you foresee that and i'll i look back on And Heinz, like, if we'd have got that money into a Cayman bank account, all of it, and he had lived off the interest, easy. I think the interest would have been $75,000, $80,000 a year. There was no inch. If you put $5 million into, you know, if you put $5 million and lived off of $50,000, you could live for $50,000 in the Cayman Islands, you might as well be making $300,000. dollars um but so okay so so what happened with a you end up taking a plea i mean you can't go to trial yeah that's stupid um almost no one that gets uh goes to federal court almost everybody takes a plea of some sort yeah yeah it's they felt like a what it was 97 percent uh conviction

right um unless you got big bucks you can't fight the government no i sort of listen i always say look even if you're guilty, you got a 50% chance of being found. I mean, even if you're not guilty, you have a 50% chance of being found guilty. Oh, yeah. So what did you end up taking? What was the last? I see, was it, 96 months? It was like just a little over six years.

After about a week, she was like, okay, let's do it. I'll drive the car. You're going to go and do everything. So I went by Walmart and got a devil's mask. and put it on and had her pull up to the bank. I thought about all this all the way through. You know, I planned it and thought about it. I watched point break about 20 more times

and realized you couldn't go into the vault. You just had to stay at the drawers up front, you know, kill time at the vault. So we talked about it for about another four or five days, and then we went and did it. And the first one we did, how did you know what bank did? rob like did you i lived in this apartment complex and across the street there was a bank

that had a unique setup it was just the perfect setup there was privacy fences on three sides of the bank and then on one side of it was a shopping center and then it was at a big intersection where the roads uh crossed like this there was a little shopping center right here convenience store right here and the bank was right here with three privacy fences around it and a residential area behind it. I'd been looking at it. Ever since I moved in the apartment, I was like,

that'd be a great bank to rob. So we went and did that. And she dropped me off. She pulled up to the convenience store that was at the corner, killed 15, 20 seconds, because I'd already timed it all out how long it was going to take me to do everything,

you know, unless something went awry. And so then I ran through the shopping center to the other road, and she pulled up perfect timing, picked me up, and we will get out of there. Um, well, you missed the bank robbery part. What, I mean, you went in the, when you went, I wasn't going to talk about all that. No, I was going to say, you're, um, so, um, wow, it's, I haven't really recounted it, I guess, in really specific terms, you know, since then. So, uh, forgive me if I'm a little slow sometimes. No, I, I, I'm just curious. Like, like, you know, and we've, we talked about this, you know, off, like, this is, you know, I, you know, I've talked to, you know, I've talked to guys who do. You know, you know, I've, you know, you know, I've talked to guys who do. You know, you know, you know, you know, I've, you know, you know, I've podcast and they're always like um like i've had guys actually say well i don't usually want to talk

talk to the guests you know before the podcast and it's like really because the i'm like oh i always thought oh that's rude you're being a jerk or whatever but the truth is is that like we had a great discussion sure about adrenaline about like you know going in like and that's what i'm wondering about is is like going up to like me walking into a bank with fake credentials and everything i have a certain And, you know, the whole thing, you know, the adrenaline, you walk in. I know certain things. I mean, I'm just wondering, like, were you, did you think about changing your mind? Like, were you, when you're walking towards that bank, are you just like, like, tunnel vision?

That's it. Okay. So it's like, tunnel vision. Um, I'm doing this and that's it. Yep. Yep. I had, uh, I had tried to do it a couple times myself and honestly pulled up in front of the bank and was just like, tried to cite myself up, whatever. no just can't do it um so i think it was having somebody else involved maybe that that pushed me

to go do it um so we pull up she had went in uh maybe four or five days earlier to just do something fake to see if they had a security guard or not so we knew there wasn't a security guard so i didn't have to worry about that it's a fairly small bank there was like maybe two three tellers i don't remember because i had tunnel vision the whole time so two three tellers you know one person in the office something like that um got my devil's mask on i got i got a hoodie on so that i can cover myself up completely had on dishwashing gloves actually because the the vinyl gloves weren't that big of a deal yet you know you get in the boxes that they've got now right um so i had dishwashing gloves because they would grip money good um i wanted to have everything

covered so i wouldn't leave any hair dna anything like that um this is you can make funniest thing is I used a BB gun. Are you real? An unloaded BB gun. I knew I was going to shoot anybody. I didn't want to hurt anybody. I know a guy that used a pellet gun and fired the pellet gun in the middle of the robbery. He said his adrenaline, he was yelling, people weren't getting down fast enough.

He goes, so I pulled the trigger and it ricocheted off the ceiling and hit a woman in the, in the calf. And she screamed, ah, I've been hit. and she falls down and he said he panics and runs out of the bay never got any money he's like oh my god i shot her it's like how did you think you shot her you had a pelican it's like i don't know i don't know i wasn't seeing straight you you can't think when you're doing that i mean it it all is a blur i mean it really is you know at that time i was 23 years old i've been watching point break you know i go in like a gangbuster got this gun devil mask i'm all hooked up I go over, vault the counter, just go straight over the counter.

Right. And start waving the gun around. I think I had a pillowcase at the time to put the money in. Billy's up with money. Ba, blah, blah, blah. Did that jump back over the counter and was gone. You know. Were you worried about die packs or anything like that?

Not really. I had a friend of mine. One of the guys that I got in trouble with during the burglary, we had talked about doing a whole lot of things. And his mom was actually a bank teller. Okay. So when we started getting into doing some of this kind of stuff, he started talking to his mom and asking questions to find out, you know, what was what. So we knew about what diapaks look like.

They're a little bit thicker and they're heavier than a regular stack of money. So I knew kind of how to identify them, but mostly I just wanted to see if I could do it, I think, at that point. So went in there, vaulted the counter, had them fill the bag up, got out. that's that when you said tunnel vision that was really about the best way to describe it um when you start going in there that's your sole mission and in my mind you've got to get away yeah yeah so if there's a pile of shrubs or whatever out there you're going through that shit yeah um so you're going through over under yeah yeah no matter what uh and i've also come to the conclusion that fear will outrun anger

If somebody's mad at you and they're chasing you and you're scared of them, you're probably going to run faster than they are because you're going to get that adrenaline going. So when you go in the bank, I mean, like the, it's just a bunch of tellers, like they immediately just go in the drawers and just start handing it over the money right away, like that nobody puts up a fight, nobody says anything, nobody just runs, nothing. They just, they kind of stand there in shock. They stand there in shock for a second. So we kind of have to prod them along, you know, tell them, do it now, you know, put it in here.

So, because they'll just stand there in shop until you guide them. And they're trained. I mean, they're, like they're, they're trained to don't give the guy any trouble. Just give them the money immediately. It's not your money. Give it to them. Get them out of the bank. Like, they wanted to get you out of the bank before something happens to us.

Customer or, right. And that was one of the things that I found out from that friend of mine who talked to his mom was that they are trained to do whatever. In fact, one of the ones that I did, I carried in a walkie-talkie with me. And I told them, I said, don't hit the alarm. I got a police scanner. if you do. Right. I didn't know it until later after I got arrested and everything. When I looked at the paperwork, I found out that they did not hit the alarm. Right. They waited until I left and called 911. So if I would have gotten to do any more, if I would have had that knowledge,

I would see if I could make them look like a chicken or something. You know, just something off the wall, just to see. So you got the money and you're out of the bank. Out of the bank. We take off. We'd found a route that would get us quickly to another town. And her, friend worked as a bartender in Appleby's so we said we'll get there as quick as we can right and then she'll swear we were there the whole time at Appleby's right hanging out so we did that and uh went had a couple drinks just for appearances and we went back out of the car and started looking at everything um what what year was this again 1995 November of 95 right because there's no it's not like there's cameras on every right now there's cameras just everywhere everywhere

I mean they can walk around they can do a small perimeter and find somewhere where they've got your tag number somebody some yeah some business someplace has a tag number something yeah but back then we didn't have to worry about that you know they weren't even they weren't even on the outside of the banks um so I had her pull right up to the front and drop me off at the door um so we got home and we went through the money and we had five thousand dollars yeah yeah no yeah they I heard that like the average bank robber gets 3,500 bucks like that's the average or something like that's not very high no I mean that was that was I heard that by the way I heard that before I even went to prison I don't know if it's higher now, but five grand.

Yeah, got five grand. I was mad as hell. Not going to lie. I'm like, man, we just robbed a bank. We got $5,000. You're looking at like, with a gun, because it doesn't matter that it's a pellet gun. At that time, it did. Oh, it did?

Yeah, the law had changed since then. Because it went like seven years, like minimum, you're getting set like seven. Just for a gun, yeah. Back at that time, it was just counted, I think, as a weapon. But it wasn't considered a firearm because it has to be propelled by an explosion. Right. So, yeah, we're mad as hell. You know, we've got $5,000.

That goes pretty quick in any kind of world. And if you're partying, it goes even quicker. Yeah. So a month, to the day, a month, December 7th, 1995, we found another bank we were going to do. And this. Your girl's down. She is. She's down for anything, bro.

That's. Yep. She was. Because she's robbing the bank. She's probably thinking, no, no, I'm just driving the car. No. You're kidding. charge your bank robber

conspiracy to rob a bank the way they've got it turned is a hand in one is a hand in all yeah so if you have anything to do with it you're all the way in but yeah she was she was as dumb as I was so so we ran through that party and you know just that's not

an exciting story at all so we found the second one and we went to do it and it was set up a little bit differently so there was a big parking lot for a grocery store and a couple little stores beside it, and there was a couple of trees

over there. So she was going to go parking the parking lot. And I was going to hit the bank and then go over to the parking lot and get in the car. Went into this bank, same way. I think I had a little bit of super villain in me and wanted to be notorious, so I wore the same devil's mask

as I did in the first one. Nice. Make sure there's a link. Right. You got to do that. It does seem cool to have theme you know it does you know i wanted to be the joker or something in the movie it's in the movie version it's cool but in reality it's like i really want to do this vastly different right they catch me for one they got me for one yeah yeah so but i get it i'd have done the same

fucking thing yeah you know so did that went in um did the same exact way had you know the mask hoodie gloves had the be begun vaulted the counter like i did before and jumped over the counter and told them fill the bags up. They fill the suitcase or the pillow case up and I thought about that $5,000 and I said, this ain't right. Where's the big money? Where's the other money? Well, as it turns out, the, they've got a top drawer, which is the till, like you'd have a grocery drawer or something. Yeah. There's a drawer underneath it. This got all the banded money where they can refill their drawer. So I was like, yeah, put all that in here too. So they put all that in there. I take off out of there

and there was as I run out the back door of the bank and go this way I ran by the drive-thru and there was a woman in the drive-thru sitting there gawking at me so I ran up to her car and I tapped on the window

and I was like you gotta go and she just looked at me and I said go and she beat feet out of there I still don't know to this day if that's the person that followed us but somebody followed us

from the bank, went back to a friend of mine's house that I was staying with at the time, dropped my car off and got her car, switched everything over, went to her house to do all the count of the money. So we get back there and I took all the money into the bedroom and was sitting there starting to go through it and count it, had pencil and paper, so I can write everything. Now I'm all excited, you know, yeah,

this is gonna be a lot better than $5,000. You know, and all that. I get started with it. It's a great big pile of bed. bed and I'm all happy and whatnot and she comes walking there and she's like hey baby there's a cop car outside I was like just one she said yeah I said okay well if it's just one that's fine and she said uh now there's two shit you know so well sweetie you're going to have to take this money and go out there and just admit what you did so of course being the I'm going to put money on your books

I'll stay out here. I'll stay out here and take care of you. Exactly. Yep. So we said, you know, we're just sitting there stunned for a moment. And her sister lived next door to us. It was family land and all that. So we get a phone call and it's her sister.

And she's like, there's people from the FBI over here saying that y'all robbed a bank and need to come outside. Oh, shit. Which I already knew once we knew there was two cops out there. That's over. I know. But you have to, you have to admit, like even when things. going wrong in my case, there was still this little part in me that said, it's a coincidence, it's not, they're not going to figure it out, it's not like, it's up right up until you hear the

voice and they say it, it's like, then it's just like, there's just, makes it real. It's so real. It's like suddenly. It's so real. There's just, at least before there was a 1% chance. Yeah, that sliver. Well, my philosophy when I planned these things was always that if I can get away from the bank you'll be all right I'll be fine yeah but now you've got this money with bands on it and

yeah that wouldn't that didn't mess us up I mean oh okay there was I would think the bands could be tracked back to that bank or something

like I mean I would think something I would be concerned like well we got caught on that one so yeah no no that's what I mean I'm saying like if you're I thought you were trying to say

that I figured even if they caught me when I was away from the bank I could still say that wasn't me but not if they've got the bans on the money. I'm still thinking you're still in the road. Okay. Yeah. So, you know.

They asked you to politely come out. They ask us to politely come out. I go and look out the window and by that time there's like 10, 12 cop cars out there. And they're all behind their cars with guns out because they think we got a gun because I had a BB gun. Yeah. So they think we're armed and dangerous. And that's when I decided I wasn't ready to die yet, I wasn't going to run out there and a hail of bullets. Yeah.

That was my idea. It was fucking. I'm not going to let them take me. live um yeah that's that's a bunch of macho bullshit so the what was it sundance uh what's the sundance kid butch cassidy and sundance kid yeah it sounds it's beautiful it's a it's very romantic it is yeah yeah only if you get to leave the theater afterward yeah definitely helps so we sit there for maybe three or four minutes and like what are we going to do what are we going to do well stupidly we had the hide the money and mask and everything under the bed

They'll never find it. They'll never find it there. Right. This is here when we got here. We've been set up. Yeah, right. So we go out and surrender, you know, and that was really all we could do. They charged this with two banks. I got 63 months, I guess. So five years, got into the federal system in 96. Went from the businesses to now check cash in spots to eventually. banks and there was a close call that occurred with one of the bank robberies and at this time mind you I'm all in the news like they have no idea who I am supposedly I'm in the news it seems like every other week they're talking about the get down and count bandit the feds had dubbed me that

after I started robbing the banks and I'm wearing different disguises now it started off where I'm fully masked up and gloved up to now I'm putting on gluing on fake big wearing sunglasses and these crazy disguises like it's getting pretty methodical and well thought out and every week they're airing this stuff on the news like yeah the get down and count bandit struck again and it's becoming intoxicating in the sense that not only am I getting away with it and the thrills the highs and blah blah blah but people in my circle are now enabling the behavior because they're like let's just hit a robbery let's hit a lick they're egging it on themselves like let's go on shopping sprees let's go get this for that another and it gets to a

point where I'd robbed his bank right and during the incident of die pack ends up going off we get away that day barely by the hairs on my chinny chin um but it was after that robbery where I started having some epiphanies like, bro, you're taking some crazy chances with your life, for what? I mean, granted, the money was cool, especially when we started robbing the banks and stuff. But I'm like, is it really worth it? And I remember telling myself that and deciding, like, no more.

I'm done. I can't be out here taking these chances with my life. I just got done doing five years in prison. And here I am out here in these streets again on this bullshit. Like, this is crazy. What am I doing? but it was too late bro a week after that bank incident occurred the feds came a knocking and how did they how they got on my trail yeah so the story goes and i still to this day don't

even know the legitimacy of this but they say that my bank surveillance photograph had been circulating through various police precincts. And they say that an individual, old school resource officer of mine, I won't name him because I don't know what liability you'll have. We put his name out there, but this guy,

just to give the people context, in high school, you already know about the fucking idiot that I was. I was a misfit, bro. This school, high school resource officer that supposedly saw this picture, he and I had the worst blood,

blood imaginable. Like he was constantly breaking up house parties that I was at. He was constantly trying to catch my hand in the cookie jar because he knew I was thoroughly immersed in the criminal lifestyle. What is a reverse officer? Is that like a police officer? Yeah, police officer that was stationed inside the schools. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yep. Yep. So this police officer, like he was constantly throughout my high school years trying to catch me. It was this huge game of cat and mouse between me and him. And there were verbal. confrontations with him. Like, I could not stand this clown. Um, this photograph of mine is floating across these precincts as they're trying to figure out who I am. Now, as the story goes,

apparently this officer sees this photograph. Now, mind you, in this photograph, I have a fake beard on, glasses, the whole get up. He sees this photo and he was like, I think that's, I think I know who that is and they're like who is it he was like that's sean marshal and they're like okay possibly and keep in mind i'd put on 50 pounds since he had last seen me now there's certain facial features i guess maybe or that distinctive i don't know but he was like that's sean marshal but that's still not enough to get a arrest warrant but it's enough to give them an idea something to look into so they they researched that they put my name in the system they're like You know what? He is on parole right now. And this kind of fits his MO. They're like,

let's go ahead and put his mugshot in this lineup and take it back around to these businesses. So they do that. And but it doesn't work to their benefits because they take it to all the banks and all these businesses. And no one can definitively say like, yeah, that's that's this guy. There's a couple that are kind of questioning like this guy kind of looks familiar, but. he had a like they were trying to frame a guilty man so look they go through this whole process right and no one can definitively say like that's Sean Marshall they there's a couple people that points me and they're like that kind of looks like him but he was had a full disguise on um so that's still piquing their curiosity the old school resource officer now takes my mugshot in these bank surveillance photos to my old high school and has a conversation with the principal and he asks him he was like who does this guy look like to you and apparently as the story goes the principal is like oh that's sean marshal so the police are like you know what

i think we have enough to at least question him we don't have enough to arrest him clearly right But we have enough to where we can pick them up and question them. And that's exactly what they do. They come and they, that day, they had a whole tactical unit and whatnot following me throughout the streets and ended up pulling me over in Denver because I'm staying in Denver at that time. And at that time, my girl and myself were in the car when they pull us over. And I know when they pull up behind me, they don't have any.

physical evidence like I'm not worried about that but what's going through my mind is that someone in my crew because there were seven of us right in this string of robberies that I was involved in there were seven people altogether so the first thing that's going through my mind is someone got caught and is now trying to finger me and implicate me in these robberies so I'm like fuck who got caught nearly enough that's still yeah you it's not you getting caught saying jimmy was with me not enough So I'm panicking, right? I'm like, fuck.

I'm trying to play out all the possible scenarios. The police are behind me. And, yeah, we end up getting pulled over. And the last thing I tell my girlfriend is I'm getting out of the car. I'm like, baby, they don't know shit. Keep your mouth shut. We're good. Shut the fuck up.

And I was like, I get out, surrender to the police, play the role. long story short bro they end up taking me and my girlfriend to the precinct and they end up getting her to connect me to a robbery and it snowballs from there I end up confessing to my role in all of it and they then at that point are now pressuring me to roll over on my accomplices they're like well we know there's six other people involved in this they're like we're like we're with us, we'll work with you. And I'm like, no, fuck off. I'm not about to snitch on these my people just to save my own hide. I was like, I'm good. So they're like, pro, you're about to go away for a long time. You're on parole farm robbery and we're just arresting you for another

string of robberies. Like, you're done. You have no wiggle room right now. Like, you're either going to play ball with us or your life is over with. And as enticing as it is in that moment to just be like, man fuck all right it's jim john and whomever i'm like i can't do it bro the fiber of my being wouldn't allow me to roll over on my accomplices and i'm like i'm not doing it i've been like you my cell phone i'll give you their phone numbers bro okay jimmy Todd lived with his mom bill i just got out of prison we let can we spread this around oh so you're saying there's 30 years Jimmy can do two five in them

I couldn't do it bro I could not do it for the life of me I couldn't so they're like The difference between a fraudster And a guy that goes in a bank with a gun What? I'm not even that close with Bill

Yeah I never really like Bill Be honest with you Oh man I couldn't do it bro I couldn't And I think for me the big thing was this And this is what it boiled down to the people that I would have been betraying,

they didn't deserve to be in prison. Like, granted, they were involved in these activities, but in my mind, they were misguided. I had misguided them, and I felt a responsibility with that. The guilt that I felt throughout all those robberies and the reason why I was so careful about how it was victimizing people,

like in that moment as I'm being interrogated, I knew I'd fuck myself, bro. And I knew that in the course of that, I had misled a whole bunch of people and those people that were with me, they were just following my lead, bro. This wasn't a kid anymore. This wasn't little Sean that was following his gang affiliates and OG's, you know, orders and footsteps.

This was grown-ass Sean who had to be accountable for his actions. And I felt a huge weight in responsibility. And I was like, you know what? this is my fault. I need to take this. And I did. And what ended up happening is I ended up getting 45 years for that. Yeah. 45 years. And the reason it came to that is through you didn't go to trial. You pled guilty. I played guilty. And what led to that is that initially the deal that was offered to me was like 30 to 65 years. And when the DA came to me during that whole sentence in phase. I'm like, bro, you're a dick. I'm not, are you crazy? I was like,

I didn't even kill anybody. Like, that's a life sentence. I was like, I'll take a 20 year sentence. I know I fucked up. I know I deserve to be in prison. But I was like, I'm not taking a 30 to 65 year deal. That's crazy. And for months went back and forth with the DA. And the DA, all he kept saying is like, bro, if you don't roll over on your code defendants, it's over for you. I don't give a fuck what you're talking about. And this is the only. deal I'm putting on the table. He was like, I know there are six other people involved in this. So you either play with me or you're done. And I still refuse to do it. And it got to a point where my lawyer at the time was able to negotiate what they call a mediation session. And that's

where a senior judge mediates between like the defense counsel and the prosecutor, kind of looks over the facts of the case and tries to help both parties. come to a reasonable deal. And during the course of that session, you know, the senior judge more or less just kept a real with me. He was like, Sean, you're fucked. He was like, I'm not even going to sugarcoat this situation for you. He was like, right now, your feet are cemented into the ground and the DA is like a semi truck coming at you full speed. He was like, today you have a choice to make. You can either die in prison. He was like, because if you take it to trial, because I was adamant about going to trial. I was like, if you're going to give me a life sentence, I might

as well get. Because I was facing 100 to 400 years. That's how much they stacked those charges against me. There were like 10 plus armed robbery charges, each carrying a 10 to like 32 year sentence on top of a simulated weapon menacing charge, whatever it was. So in all, had I taken my case to trial the way that they stacked those charges against me, because all those sentences would run consecutively with each other. Right. So going to trial and losing, I'm facing 100 to 400 years, right?

He was like, bro, the senior judge is telling me, like, you're either going to die in prison because that's what's going to happen if you get 100 years. He was like, even if you get the low end of that sentence, 100 years, you can't do that. You're going to die in prison. And he was like, granted, you can take chances on appeal and hope that something goes wrong

during the course of this trial and that you can come back and get resentenced or get your case thrown out. But he was like, that's rare. He was like that rarely happens. Right. He was like, so today, you have to make a choice. And I was like, today, he was like, today is the only time there were this room, this session that we're having there. Like today is when you need to decide whether you're taking this deal or not. You can't meditate on this. You can't think about this for any substantial amount of time. This is it, buddy. What's your lawyer, man? My lawyer is like, Sean, take her the fucking deal.

Because the DA, he comes back after these conversations, and he was like, I'll give Sean 45 years. If he's not going to play ball with us, 45 years is all I'm willing to give him. But you guys have parole. Say it again. You have parole, but. So 45 years of violent 45 is what they tried to give me to plea to. On that, I would have had to serve 75% of it before being eligible for parole. So they're trying to get me to serve 30 years in prison before I'm even eligible to be a free man.

And the judge said that during the session. He was like, your choice today is a matter of choosing between dying in prison or getting out to your grandchildren and living out your golden years. Right. I was like, what type of choice is that? And he was like, that's the choice you have, my friend. and in that moment I was like you know what fuck it

give me the 45 years one of the day his friend comes up to me and says hey man um your roommate said he was going to do this go to this bank and walk in and you know

rob it basically and he goes um but if he backs out will you do it and like I'm thinking like I'm sick I need money this could take care of me for a while

so I've said yeah And, of course, the other guy backed out. So I'm like, well, shit, I guess I got to do it. And that's where it all started. That was there in Phoenix. What'd you do? You wrote a note? Yeah, so I wrote a note, and I had long hair.

I'm kind of growing it long now, but I had long hair before that, about down to here. And so I cut my hair and I throw in the little Irish, you know, golf or Irish hat. and I had a long-sleeve shirt on and pants, but I went and got the elastic, like, grandma pants, you know? And so underneath my long-sleeve shirt was a short-sleeved t-shirt, and underneath my pants were shorts. And I stashed a backpack in this underground garage. And so when I, so I went into the bank and I wrote a note,

I put it on the counter and he's just looking at me. And I see his hand go like this. I'm like, don't you press that fucking button. Don't you press that fucking button. And he goes like this. Just ragged my face. Like, there you go. Stick it.

You know? Press the button and I was so nervous. Like, it's just pure adrenaline at that time because I, you know, I got the discovery back and I never even put the glasses down over my face. I'm staring at the camera. like, you know, when they get the discovery. And so... You didn't get any money.

No, I got about $3,000. He gave me the money. And hit the button. And hit the button. And so he gave me the money. And so I went down under the garage, did the little switcheroo, threw the stuff in the backpack. And I had a little black bag like this. And through stuff in the backpack, walked through the parking garage, came up an elevator

that was on another side and took another walkway and up another elevator to street level and then went across and then I got on the light rail there in Phoenix and as I'm coming across the police are pulling into the bank and I'm just like and so that took care of you know for that was the first that was a U.S. bank there on Central and no weapon or nothing and I was very polite in my note. I said like good morning. I think the first one I put this is a this is a burglary

this is a burglary you know said a few things and like thank you you know and gave them the note and so but you know I think here I've watched a few of the videos like you don't really get very much when you go in and do the teller like with a note or unless you're

doing some giant takeover yeah unless you go after the cash you know and if you go into a lot of these guys will tell you if you go into the cash drawer like sometimes they'll have a main drawer with 10 yeah000 but usually those that per yours and all kinds of problem i got i got one of those like uh my third bank yeah because i got like uh 10 11 grand from that i hit the head teller and so she had the big cash drawer and um yeah so i did the first one and then it was about two three weeks and then of course when you have money like that you're

going crazy with dope i mean i was I wasn't buying new things, fancy things or anything like that. And so, and now it's important to other people's habit. You know, everybody's your friend when you got the fix. Right. And so then I went and trying to think which was next. So I did this bank way on the, that's the one with the head teller, way on the north side of town. And I had a driver for that.

And so, but he didn't know what was going. on on. I just said, look, you're going to go here and you're going to park right here. And I'll be back in a few minutes. And then I got back in the car and like, go, go, go, go, go. And so I got the main teller in that one. And, and so he figured out what was going on, you know, so obviously now one person knows. And then my roommates know, and that's never good. And so, and so by the time I did another one right next to the first one on Central, and they had one of those machines. where almost like a printer machine, but it's a little small ATM machine. And so I go in there and she gives me $1,000. I'm like, what is it? She didn't even open a drawer or nothing. She goes, I have to print it from the machine

unless they go back into the vault, and that's going to take some time. And she goes, if you want to wait five minutes, I can print out another thousand, kind of like a drop drawer at a, you know, like Circle A or 7-Eleven, something like that. They have those drop drawers. And so I'm like, ah.

So that was like a thousand bucks out of that. It threw off my average, you know, but after that second one, we got robbed. Because my roommate was real sloppy. He would get all Xanaxed out and have these periods of heroin Xanax, three-day blackouts. And so he had people come into her house and late at night because he was selling. And we got robbed and he's getting pistol whipped and I jump and come trying to do a Superman. It ran right into a fist. And so I had about $4,000 in those, you know, those Russian maternity dolls, like the one

inside the other, inside the other, inside of the other. So I'd rolled all the cash and put it in that. It was on my dresser. And I think the guy knew I had money. I think it was a setup. Like someone knew, told him I had money or something, because he was going through the whole house. He's looking under the mattress, unless he was just looking for dope money, but we weren't

those kind of dealer people, you know? and he picks that thing up and he puts it down he moves it over and he couldn't find anything you know so he just stole my phone on my TV but it's um you know that's the I'm lucky we didn't get shot because the guy was getting pissed my buddy was getting pistol whipped and I grabbed the guy with the knife and just crazy crazy things you know but that's what happens when you're when you're living that life you know and so I I did the third one and then they they um they started putting me on the news oh those bastards

those bastards yeah do you have the clip i don't know if you have the clip or not um did i send it to you the youtube clip i don't think so you got sent me that it yeah send it to me for sure yeah yeah so i ended up they started putting me on the news and they i come home and my roommate said dude you're just on the news you're just on the news i'm like ah shit and so i did um

one more bank after that, and then I decided, you know what, this is it, I bought a Lincoln. Like, this is 2016, so I bought it, like, a 2004 Lincoln limo edition, special edition, Windows tinted. And I'm like, you know, this is cool. I got money now. I'm driving my dealer around, so I'm getting hooked up. I'm getting hooked up, you know, like every day. I don't have to worry about money to do my habit, you know, because I wasn't looking to get rich off of the banks. I was just looking to not get sick.

Right. And so, like, I'm hooked up. I'm driving my dealer around, making deliveries for him, going here, going there. And so, with some crazy things start happening. Like, I'm like, dude, I feel like we're being followed. He's like, no. No. No, you know, he's selling meth.

So everybody out, who would follow us? Yeah, right? You're all like, you've only robbed three banks. Right, right. And I'm driving around with him with, you know, a couple ounces of heroin and meth and then shotgun in the back. And like, who would follow us? Look at all, look at all heroin now driving the Lincoln. But my excuse was, like, they had what's called livery service in Arizona.

So my justification for you, if I ever got pulled over, I had nothing in the front. It was all in the back. And I don't know what he brought in the car. It's, you know, wasn't me. And so, so I just figured that was the, you know, that was a safe way to go about it. I was like, man, I feel like I'm being followed. And this was about September, 2016. And, like, I would park, we had parked somewhere, and this van would come around to the side, like a little minivan.

But it would be like a lady with her two kids, right? And so they followed us all the way to this place, and then they parked there. I'm like, what's up? So I started walking, and they just tires peel and take off. But it's like this, a small lady with two kids in the car. And so I'm starting to get more paranoid now. But it's definitely not the police. No, that was definitely not the police.

But we're being followed. And so I'm like, what? So one time on the freeway I feel like I'm like, man, this is crazy. So I'm on the main freeway there in Phoenix and everybody's gone, anybody knows Phoenix, they're doing 80 if they're doing anything.

And I slow down to like 40 miles an hour on the freeway in the center lane and the two cars that I thought were following me wouldn't pass me. And I'm like, this is odd. this is really odd and there's a big SUV and um i don't know what the person was driving it so then i take off and i'm doing 95 and the guy's right on my tail and then a police car comes flashing his lights and i think he's pulling me over and then he gets in front of the car and me and they pull him

over and i'm like this is this is odd like what i don't i don't understand this you know and so um That went on for about three months, and later to come and find out, they had a GPS on my car. So I don't know if they have some kind of, they take their CIs to follow people when they're doing this, but I don't know. It was just, or maybe he made some bad deals, my buddy made some bad deals, and they were following us. I don't know, but it was, it was, odd things were happening, though. Like, I had a garment that you would put a cell phone chip into for location. Right. And so, but I never used it.

It was in my drawer. So I come home one day and I had this girl living with me. She was pregnant, not my kid. And so I come and I get sitting out on the couch. And then I pull out the chip, the SIM card that was in it. and it was a different SIM card. And so, yeah, just odd. I don't know, just really strange things.

So coming to find out, I had several people confidential informants on my case. So I don't know how many people told, you know, the FBI what. And so I don't know, odd things. Maybe they're trying to keep track of me. my Bluetooth, I had a Sony Bluetooth speaker that was, I'd come home and it would be on and connected to some other phone or some other Bluetooth and they were friends, this girl stayed with me was

friends with the neighbor next door. So I don't know if the FBI was over there listening to me or trying on the speaker. I don't know. You know, I don't know what kind of tactics they do, but it was just started getting very insane. And then almost 90 days after they put the wards on for the GPS on my car, which I found this out later, but they came and raided me. And I had bars on my windows. The screen door was a barred screen door and bars on the windows. And it was right when the sun comes up. That's when they get you.

You know, right when the sun comes up and I wake up, I'm sick. I can't see straight. And like, I'm just working open the door. Like, I'll be right there. Oh, it's a parking door right. now. I'm like, hold on. I got to get so global. I'd be right there. And I had dope all in the house and, you know, I'm sick because I overslept and I'm banging. I put on shorts and I'm like trying to wipe the powdery stuff off the counter and I had a gram of dope and and I couldn't,

you know, I had no time to do it. I couldn't smoke it or shoot it. So I put it in the only other place I could get away with hiding it for a while, you know? And so they came and they had that bar that comes through his long bar trying to pull down the blinds to see me. And I come out with the pants on and shirt and shoes, no socks. And they put me on the ground and cuffed me. And the girl that was with me, she was there, and they just let her go. You know, just let her go. So I think there was quite a few things going on there.

But, you know, people keeping an eye on me to make sure I wasn't running. off or that right i think so but the the only thing i like about all of this is they they referenced me to james bond in the uh in the news thing and they call me the golden eye bandit because i wear these silver rim glasses um and uh so so the the news thing i'll send you the clip and uh yeah you just like me a bar article uh i i think i sent you the YouTube video too and like one of the first text but I'll send it again

maybe it was a link or something I didn't okay yeah yeah it's a link to the it is ABC News there it's B I didn't see it I did it was yeah it was a news clip of them talking about you right yeah it's like Bond James Bond there's a new

golden eye in town and yeah so they they did yeah and they had me blasted golden eye band it all like they put it on that national syndicated news list all over the country and everything so it was a matter of time before they got me but you know I didn't really care

I didn't care so much I'm just saying I didn't care so much that I got arrested like I was just done like I've just spent you know like at this point I'm just white you know right you were gonna say I'll say so what did they say when they grab you they get you they bring in the little room the FBI agents come in and sit down yeah so they they take me to um some building right across from the main

justice center federal justice center there in phoenix and they're fingerprinting me and they're really tell me they didn't say why i was being arrested and i didn't ask you know which is an obvious sign of guilt right what are you doing here and um and so he asked me a few questions and then he's lawyered up. You know, I said I want an attorney. He, um, he asked me about my cell phone number, and then he asked me, um, if I had ever been in this part of town or something like that. And I just said, you know what? I think I should get an attorney. And I just lowered up. And, um, so they were like super nice to me. Like, you know, just completely nice. Um, they're walking me over to the federal center. They let me have a cigarette. And they're like saying,

don't worry this, you know, you'll get through this, Mr. Martinez. Just, you know, you'll be okay. and by this time, you know, the, the intradose of the heroines kicking in, I'm kind of, yeah. And they take me right over to the Justice Center, and I'm sitting in those stainless steel benches, you know, and I'm just falling over on all the people there. They got caught crossing the border and everything else. I mean, I was just out of it. And I got to rain that day and sent straight off to Florence, which is the big, prison town basically they have state there they have the core civic for the feds i think they have a feel like a probation violation person you might have another little area there for uh federal and right

yeah that's certainly my whole that's certainly my whole prison experience and so well what happened what did they offer you i mean did they do you say i'm doing trial i don't know what you're talking about like at what point did somebody come up and say hey this is why they arrested you this is what you're well i realized then it was for the banks after that you know like because then they uh that initial appearance before the judge uh you know they said four counts of bank robbery and um so i had a public defender and you know look at over their discovery and you know seeing my picture like this up at the camera you know like and you know i mean i was had so i i i I didn't fight my case, and it took a year to get through the whole process, not even trying to fight my case.

Because I figured, you know, everybody, someone there has that big, giant book that says, um, uh, federal sentencing got, beat the feds or something like that or no, no, uh, busted by their feds. Blasted by the feds. That's it. It's like this big. And the two things I got out of it is, one, they win 95 to 98% of their cases. And two, if you take it to the, the box you're screwed and you lose you're screwed and so um and i had no one else on my case like it wasn't like i could you know i mean i guess i could have snitched on the driver but what good have that done you know i mean it's like at this point i figured out like um you know unless you're i was going to say and and all you've done is hand people a note like you didn't have a god so that would have been a problem no weapon yeah no weapon at all and my notes were nice and you know, polite, and I, you didn't hand him a harshly worded, it was a harshly worded, uh, no.

No, it was like, it was like, thank you. You know, it was basically like put the 150s and 20s on the counter, remove the band, spread them open, because I didn't want a GPS chip, you know, um, uh, no, no GPS, no die packs. Thank you. You know. And then the first one I left the note, the other ones I realized I should take the note because the first, when I remember he pulled it back because they wanted to keep it as evidence for DNA and those kind of things. So the other ones, I took the notes, but they had them, you know, the shot down with the camera, camera on them. So it took me, they kept delaying the final sentencing and that type of thing. And I'm just like, look, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't want this to be a

problem. But I was a, I had no prior criminal record on anything. Like the, that charges from my kid, you know, being in a juvenile, never showed up. I had another incident when I was in Cleveland where my wife worked for a bank and we had split up and I was, we had two separate bank accounts. So I was depositing money here and withdrawing it over here and back and forth and back and forth. The next thing you know, you're about six grand overdrawn. Right. And yeah, so I had three felony charges on that and I ended up getting, attempting to pass a bad check misdemeanor out of you know paid the money back paid the money back released that day no probation attempting to pass a bad check misdemeanor and that was it so they didn't they didn't

do anything with that on my criminal history and so I basically had nothing on my criminal history but I was still a 38 on the list because I had I think bank robbery is like a 32 or 34 something like bad just with or without a gun the gun's just an enhancement and then but they counted each one each bank was another one point enhancement from the first my first check my my first charge was actually for forgery a buddy of mine who was letting me stay with him was getting evicted he was working at a job site stole some checks from the owner and me not being having a criminal mindset thinks to myself well if he writes the check to me and i sign it and bring it to the bank and they give me cash for it I'm not committing forgery because I didn't actually write that stuff on the check.

So I go cash two of these checks. One was for like $3.80, which I kept $60 of and gave the rest of my buddy so he could put towards rent. And then once that one worked, we went big on the next one with $1,500. And I gave him like nine. He got caught up on rent and everything. And a couple weeks after that, the cops are looking for me. They want to talk to me about it. And now I'm getting investigated for other stupid things.

There was like an attempted burglary. And then it all culminates at the end of the summer when I physically reach my hand in a woman's pocket and take $200. She went to the cops and said, I robbed her. I told the cops, yeah, I took the money out of her pocket, but that's because she owed me $200 and wasn't trying to give it to me. Turns out that's confession for robbery. Right. the moment you volunteer that you physically took money from somebody that was trying to stop you, it doesn't matter if they owe you money or not, you've committed a robbery.

So what we started doing was robbing drug dealers. Of course. I mean, of course that that's a given. Yeah. It's New England. So, I mean, there's a lot of guns up here, but we don't have nearly the shootings that you guys got down south. You know, I don't know what it is about. south and shooting versus up here in shootings, there's just not that many shootings.

So I'm, me and my buddies are doing home invasions on drug dealers with like baseball bats and two by fours and stuff. You know, because of the, how are you finding the drug dealers? Like, how do you know this is a guy you, are you? We would, oh, we always used inside information. So like if we're from Laconia, me and a couple of my buddies from Laconia would go to Claremont. New Hampshire, and our buddies in Claremont would tell us who sold drugs in the area. We'd go rob all them.

They'd come up to Laconia. We'd tell them who sells drugs. They'd rob all them. So that's how we were just doing it. We'd go to areas where nobody knew us, but we knew a couple people that knew everyone. And that was our end to figure out who we needed to rob. You know? Like, I remember one time, we got this one thing.

This is a funny one. We get this safe, right? And my co-defendant in the bank robbery case calls me up, and he goes, hey, I'm at this mechanics place. I'm about to go in and grab this safe. Can I bring it over to Johnny's house and we can crack it over there? And I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem. Let me run home real quick and get some tools. Is this like in the middle of the day?

No, this is the middle of the night. Okay. So he goes in and gets the safe, brings it over. over. I get back with the tools. It takes all of two seconds to break it open. It was one of those big white. It's white and plastic on the outsides. It's like one of the fire safes. It's got like concrete and stuff on the inside. Yeah. Real cheap, real easy to just pop open apparently. Well, the funny thing was is when we go to get rid of it, we wrap it in a bed sheet and we put it in the car and then we go to this, um, uh, the thing the train drives over. I can't remember it

for the life of me, a bridge that a train drives over, a trellis. And we walk up on the train tracks and we're doing one, two, three, and we throw it into the river. Turns out that that type of safe floats, it won't sink. The door was open and everything. We're watching it float right down the river. But once we ran out of drug dealers, that's when I started looking at banks. And I'm like, well, they keep money right there. Why don't we just go in there?

And I'm using some of the things I learned from being in prison, which is they got a top drawer. They got a bottom drawer. Bottom drawer is where most of the bills are. If you tell them not to do something, they're instructed and trained to listen to you. Their job is to get out of the, get you out of the bank as quickly as possible and ensure the safety of the people that are in the bank. Right. So I knew I didn't need a gun. I knew I could do it with a note

and I knew that if I went about doing it the way I wanted to do it, I'd be in and out of a bank in 20 seconds. I'm just grabbing the money from one or two drawers. I'm in and out. And that's what I started doing. And next thing I'm home, we're running through 15 grand in a couple days. It's amazing how quickly you just pissed through money

when it's free. You know, it's like when you're actually working for money, which I found, I didn't find this out until I got out of prison this last time, but like when you actually work for money, you're, you're more inclined to think about what you're going to spend it on rather than just buy whatever you see in front of you because you're just going to go steal some more money. Right. So the bank robbery that we got arrested for, the day before the bank robbery, we had gotten off the highway and we're at a gas station and we're outside smoking a

cigarette and my co-defendant points out a little strip mall it's behind the gas station and then probably six feet down there's like a little hill so it's kind of like you can't really see it that well from the gas station and i look over and there's a bank there i think it was the first national bank of the first bank of new england or something like that new england national i can't remember something new england was in there and um i go you know what that's a good one. We could hit that one first thing tomorrow morning. And he's like, yeah, that's a good idea. So we wind up splitting up. We connect later that day. And he sent he sends me over to this prostitutes house. There was this literally this building in Manchester, New Hampshire,

that everyone in the building was a prostitute. They all had their own apartments, but that's where we would go to hang out. Prostitutes have never been my thing. So it was just an easy place to just kind of stay out of the way. So I stayed hanging out with one of these prostitutes all night, literally just hanging out, doing absolutely nothing else. And he went to see his girlfriend. He comes and picks me up first thing in the morning. It's like six o'clock in the morning.

And this was one of those days where like everything that could go wrong goes wrong. We get back to his house, have a bowl of cereal. Next thing you know, we both fall asleep. we've been up for days we both pass out wake up it's like 3.30 in the afternoon I go on to wake my coat offending up I'm shaking him and everything and he's

he's dope sick he is so dope sick and I'm like he ain't going to be able to drive the getaway car right what the fuck so I just go and get in the shower and I'm trying to figure out what we're going to do because he needs to be not dope sick

before we can go rob bank. And I'm not dope sick. I've never been strung out on heroin in my life. I've done plenty of heroin. I've just never developed a habit for it. The first time I really abused it, I had enough minor withdrawal symptoms that I decided I was never going to put myself in that situation again. So my codefendant goes, comes running into the bathroom and he goes, come on, let's go, let's go, let's go. Guato just called. We can go pick up. Guatto just called. We can go pick up. Guato was our dealer who we had actually robbed a few days before that. We had robbed them and then we went and robbed a bank and my co-defendant's like, what are we going to do? We can't

go get drugs now. I'm like, yeah, we can. Go pay him the money we ripped him off for and give him like an extra $500 for the headache. We did that. He started fronting us dope after that. So I get out of the shower. We drive down to Lawrence, Massachusetts, and the next thing you know, we're copping like I think we picked up like five grams of heroin, and we immediately do some heroin. I do some just because he's doing some. And we wind up getting so high we have to go back and get some cocaine. Well, now we need to balance out so we can go do this robbery. We go back get some cocaine.

Now we're doing some cocaine on the way to the bank. We get to the bank. It's in Wyndham, New Hampshire. And right across the street from the bank is a. restaurant and there's trees in front of the so you can't see the restaurant's parking lot from the road i tell my co-defendant to pull in there he pulls in there i go stay right here i'll be right back i get out of the car start walking away as soon as i start walking away he starts the car and pulls it out of the parking spot i turn around jump back in the car now i'm yelling at i'm

like what the fuck are you doing he's too high now that's the problem when he gets too high. He can't function. He starts talking to himself. He just gets weird and unpredictable. Right. Unreliable. Exactly. He pulls out of the parking lot and now he's on the road. As soon as he gets past the strip mall and I can't see the bank, I yell at him to pull the car over. He pulls the car over and I look him right in the eye. I go, don't fucking move from this fucking spot I'll be right fucking back So

You're about to come out of that bank With with a bag of money And no getaway car Right You know Like I He know It's not a secret

What we're there for I don't know why he got out Of the parking spot So I start walking towards the bank I walk in I go As I go to open the front door

The bank A woman's leaving the bank And I go Walking up to the person at the desk and I go to hand her the note and I see immediately she does what everybody does she gets flustered so I start

snapping my fingers let's go let's go let's go let's go give me all the money in the top and bottom drawer let's go let's go let's go and the woman next to her I look at her and I go you can give me all your money too so they're getting all their money together well what had happened was as I was leaving the

as I was entering the bank the woman that was leaving the bank the door was still open she heard me let's go give me all the money she heard that right before the door closed finally as she was in the little foyer area to go out the other bank and exit so she's on the phone to 911 while she's in the parking lot leaving the parking lot telling them there's a bank robbery going up if i had waited a split second she never would have been in the parking lot on the phone she wouldn't

have heard me start robbing the bank i'm leaving the bank with the month money and I'm walking down the sidewalk past the other stores and I get in the getaway car and now we drive away. We're driving in the wrong direction. We want to be in the other direction, but because he got out of the parking spot, we're no longer able to just pull out and take a right leaving the restaurant to get towards the highway. We're kind of stuck going in the direction we're pointed. Well, she also sees the getaway car, the description of the car, gets the plate number and all that because she's on the phone with 911 and he parked where he parked instead of parking somewhere else so now they immediately know what car they're looking for

this road takes us all the way around town in a very slow way so we finally circle underneath the highway we come back around from the other side and traffic starts slowing down and as traffic starts slowing down we see that there's a cop doing um uh uh traffic control he looks at the car looks at the license plate looks at me looks at my co-defendant and goes out in front of the car like this like stop my co-defendant hits the breakdown lane and takes off we're in a dodge avenger it's probably like a 98 something like that but it was a v6 coop so it would get up and go when you wanted it to this cop stops the vehicle behind them behind us gets in the passenger seat and does one of the

those right out of the movies, follow that car. The cops are on the other side of the highway, and literally, they're probably two football fields from the entrance to the highway, and they're all there already, because they've been robbed, and it's been a minute since it took us to circumvent this town to get back to the entrance. So now we're on 95 north. No, we're on 93 north in New Hampshire, and it's rush hour on a Friday afternoon. and

we're in the breakdown lane I'm throwing the clothes I'm wearing out the window over the railing the few money bans we have I'm throwing them out the window now I'm taking now I'm looking at the money and we really didn't get shit either

if we had hit the bank first thing in the morning we would have got 15 grand out of that register because we both fell asleep it was like $850 it was just all bad So we're getting to the next exit, which is like, I think it's like the Londonderry exit, exit four, and traffic is at a standstill, except for us. And I know that they're about to spit us off the exit because we're in the breakdown lane. We have to get off the exit because of where we're at on the highway.

He's like, what are we going to do? I'm like, we got to get to 93 south. We got to get going south and going to Massachusetts. it's they can't cross state lines. I know this because I had just watched the movie Public Enemies, which became my favorite movie of all time with Johnny Depp, where they couldn't cross state lines back then. I was going to say that sounds like something you saw, like, you know,

it's definitely, that's definitely something that one of, like, like one of your stoner buddies tells you, listen, bro, we can go drive over the state lines. they can't follow us right yeah and then you base your entire several decisions that carry over the rest of your life on on the fact that your stoner buddy said he he I know what I'm doing oh well trust me all right trust me everyone's famous last words trust me you have a vast experience in you know like you're in a brick layer or you know working at a convenience store and that's your experience based on this law that doesn't exist

So what happened? They call ahead. They're waiting for you. Well, I know they're going to be waiting when we get off the exit. So we hit the emergency crossover right before the exit. And right as we're trying to maneuver in between vehicles, they try to box us in. We spin out. We go around them over the crossover.

Now we're heading south. There's no traffic heading south. You know, nobody's heading back to Massachusetts after working in New Hampshire all week. so we wind up hitting 93 south our plan is to go into massachusetts it's only a couple exits away like three exits away all of a sudden traffic starts slowing down slowing down we hit over into the breakdown lane we're doing like at least 150 120 all of a sudden we see the stopsticks get thrown out in front of the car oh my co-defendant just at this speed you can cannot make a conscious decision to do anything other than how your body reacts when you see

stopsticks get thrown in front of you at 120 and he swerves around him it takes out the right tires on the right side of the vehicle and it also the left tires run over the foot of the police officer that was deploying the stopsticks because he got the string on the stopsticks stuck in his boot, and he was trying to untangle it. It ripped his boot off, sent his boot flying across the highway. Because of where they found the boot, they actually wrote the crash report up to make it sound like we crossed two lanes of traffic and went out of our way to run this cop over.

It was just, that's how far the boot flew when it ripped the boot off, when a boot got ripped off of his foot. So now we have two tires, and all you can hear is, which is the wheels grinding into the pavement and there's rubber lying up over the hood blue smoke everywhere from burnt rubber it's a mess and my co-defendants like flipping out he throws me a gram of coke and he goes mix it now i'm mixing shots of coke while we're in the middle of a high-speed chase and are you still thinking you're going to get in away with it if you get over the state line? That's still in my mind because we haven't actually made it over the state

line yet. Oh, the stopsticks also took out a cruiser, the very next cruiser behind us. So one of the cruisers was out of the race. They drive deploying stopsticks again right before we get to the state line and we swerve around them. I don't know how because I had to hold the wheel for my co-defendant while he shot up and we had no traction at all. I don't know how he managed to keep us on the road as long he did with two tires, but he did. So next thing you know, we go around another set of stopsticks, takes out another cruiser behind us.

We get a couple exits into Massachusetts, and finally, my co-defendant, as soon as we get over the state line, he looks behind us, he goes, they're still following us. What do I do? What do I do? That's crazy. Yeah, I'm like, they're not supposed to.

I didn't know about the hot. suit law where they can just radio ahead and be like yeah we're in hot pursuit we're coming in did did you ever see uh smoky in the bandit no see that's the problem i saw smoking in the bandit and i knew that during a pursuit they can actually follow you through multiple jurisdictions but see i saw smoking in the bandit you didn't and that changed everything right all i saw i saw public enemies and their laws predate smoking and the bandit that's why yeah that's the exactly so we get off um in drake at massachusetts is when we decide to get off the highway and i don't know i still don't know how we got off the highway because it was one lane and

there was a lot of backed up traffic like somehow we managed to get up on the side and go around some vehicles and now we're on the double yellow and we're driving cars off both sides of the road because we're trying to outrun the cops and it gets so dangerous the cops actually stopped following us. And when we realized they stopped following us by co-defendants, like, what are we going to do? I'm like, we need to stop another vehicle and hijack their car. Yeah, so carjacking. That is the way to go. Absolutely, that's the way to go in this situation. We need a new car. We need to get away. He's like, well, what do I do? I go hit somebody in the rear quarter panel. It's going to slow us down because we don't have brakes because we're missing two tires. And it's also going to make them pull over.

We do that. He happens to hit the one. car that has a car load of Dominican and Puerto Rican dudes in it. Like, I jump out of the airbag hits me in the face. I jump out of the car. I start running towards the car. We're going to carjack. Four people get out. I immediately don't even break, don't even miss a beat.

Now I run towards the right. I'm going to hit the guardrail and hop in the river, swim across the river, the Merrimack River, which is like the biggest river up there. And that's how I'm going to get away. They come right around the corner and tackle me. What? Do you still have the $800? Oh, I missed that part.

So I took half the money, right? Right. And gave it to my co-defendant. And I took the other half and I rolled it up in a tube, in a tube about this big, right? And I tucked it in between my butt cheeks. is what I did with it. And it stayed there rather well, for a while, at least.

And that'll come up later. So then, so I'm right before the guardrail. The cops are still following us, so I find out, but they had slowed down. And they come around the corner, they see me, they jump out of the vehicle, tackle me, they're punching me in the back of the head. What's your name? Fuck you. Boom, boom, boom.

What's your name? Fuck your mother. Boom, boom, boom. they get me all cuffed up i don't know what's going on my co-defendant uh i found out that he got out of the car and ran in the opposite direction of the car we were supposed to carjack i still don't know why to this day um they actually tackled they didn't tackle him they tased him in the river for 26 seconds it was on the taser report um one of the cops that was wrestling with him in the river after the words lost his gun and his flashlight in the river

They finally get us in the back of cruisers. They read me my rights, and I'm like, yeah, I think I'll take the lawyer. They read him, his rights, and they go, we just want to know who's driving the car. He goes, I don't know what car you're talking about. So they get us to the state trooper barracks in North Andover, Mass. And as we're walking up the stairs, I go looking at my co-defendant. and he is he was 200 pounds six foot two when he got out of prison four months earlier he was about 150 pounds he was strung out when i got out a month after him

and he's soaking wet and he just has this look of devastation on his face and i go hey pick and he goes looking at me he's like i go hey man i don't know about you but i had fun today and I'm doing it mainly I'm doing it for his his peace of mind but I'm also doing it for the cops because at this point in my life I hate the police kill the cops

I hope they all die blah blah blah you know it doesn't matter that they're the ones that are out here protecting your family while you're sitting your ass in prison because of the choices you made right so I'm getting booked and this detective comes walking in

and it's obvious to me that he's a detective and he goes walking out back to the holding cells and I hear him screaming he goes you either robbed the bank or you drove the car which is it and at this point I realized well this is where I'm going to find out if my co-defendant's going to be solid and tell on me or not cop comes walking out 30 seconds later pissed they bring me out to the holding cells bring him out to book him I'm still cuffed up so I'm sitting on the floor of the holding cell with house behind me and this guy who's obviously a detective he has his badge on his belt comes walking in same guy was walking in he goes uh you either robbed the bank or you drove the car which is

and i go are you my lawyer he's like i'm not your lawyer i'm like well i ask for a lawyer he goes you either robbed the bank or you drove the car which is it and i go lawyer he goes do you know how much time you're looking at you're looking at three class a felonies that's 21 years in and I go, apparently you can't do math retard, that's 22 and a half years in prison. Go ahead, run that concurrent with the prison sentence I'm going to do already. Fuck you. And he storms off. We get brought to the county jail.

First thing they do is strip me out. That's when the money comes back up. They literally, they're doing the, all right. bend over cough i do that real quick and spend hold on hold on what's that just money you know like and i say it like it's the most natural like everyone keeps money why wouldn't there be money tucked in between my ass cheeks and um they take me they put me on drug watch now so they put me on drug watch okay so that now i got a shit and this is something they do in prison when they think you might have drugs inside of you.

They will put you in a room with nothing but a toilet with a trash bag over it to collect your waste or they'll bring you a bucket to defecate in for when you say you finally need to go. So they kept me there for a few days until I finally went to the bathroom and then they let me out into the shoe. We go to court on Monday. By now they've literally just thrown me in a cell and left me there. haven't said anything to me wouldn't even give me toilet paper that type of thing you know they're like oh they tried to kill a cop fuck man that's that's the type of treatment you get my co-defendant's super dope sick

so he spends his whole time in medical they take us to court monday and the first lawyer that comes down and talks to us says listen if you waive extradition they're going to take you back to new hampshire today and i'm like all right let's go we get to the we get up to the courthouse we waive extradition, they immediately take us into custody and take us to New Hampshire, where they book us at the police station and arraign us at court, $400,000 cash-only bail. The next day, they take us back to the state prison. Because of the notoriety, they take my co-defendant directly to shoe. My charge is criminal liability for the conduct of another for attempted second-degree murder on a police officer.

it's a very long charge so it only shows up as criminal liability as a pending charge which doesn't sound bad at all but when you read the whole thing you realize you're looking at just as much time

as the guy that was arrested for attempted murder on a police officer right and I need to be near my code defendant we have to talk obviously we need to get our story straight so we could try to figure out how we can salvage this

not to mention how many other cases might be coming down from all the other crap we've done in the last 90 days but you know this is the worst one that we got in front of us let's just deal with this one so i go out of my way to pick a fight with the first person that just looks at me wrong and i get in the fight i go to shoe now i'm in shoe well they won't let me anywhere near him won't let us on the same won't let us in the same wings so he's He's above me or I'm below him. And that's where they kept us until they wound up indicting us. We went to the federal courthouse, and that was the last time I actually was in the same room as him.

I put a plan together. I got up a few guys that I knew, and I said, you know what? I want to go back and hit that door. I want to hit that store. I want to go and do woo-woo, and this is what we're going to do. I know everything to lay out inside and out. So we got everything we need, all the necessary material, all the equipment that it was going to take to pull it off. And that morning, which was like on a Friday, I wanted to hit it when I thought they had the most money inside the customer service and the most money inside of the safe.

So I had set up a plan for one guy to go over to the produce area because I know there was a phone in there. And I know I didn't want anyone getting to that phone. And one guy watched the door and one guy went up to the customer service with me. So we went, achieved my goal. I went inside approximately like 9, 30, 10 o'clock in the morning when I know it wouldn't be that busy, but everything would be on hand. I successfully pulled it off, made it back. I think we probably got like 15,000, 17,000 or something from that, that heist.

So I divided that money up amongst us. I think it was four people. I divided that money up and I went about my business. So once that money was spent, I'd say, you know what we're going to go do the other one so i got my guys together and we decided we're going go do the other one and i went to the one on hillsborough and i also did that one um the craziest thing about this one was that i took every coin that was in the safe i took all the bills it was like, I'll say like

six, seven hundred dollars and ones. There was like $500 in quarters, a couple hundred dollars in dimes, nickels and pennies. But the reason why I say that because on the way out I had so much weight inside the duffel bag, it was hard for me to get it on my shoulder to try to get it out of the door. So one of the guys was trying to help me. I had

a bag boy trying to intervene trying to stop us or something, but my guy, you know, did what he had to do to keep him from intervening. And by the time I made it to the car, got the bag in there, made it to the second car. It was a wrap. But as time went from there, I did end-in-not jobs. I worked at car dealerships. I worked at Ed Morris Cadillite, probably from the year from 90, 91, 92, 93. I started my bank robbery career around 93, 94, and I got a net just simply by my brother-in-law, knew a guy who wanted to rob a bank. Now, I, you know, You know, growing up as a kid, you hear people, them, oh, yeah, I want to rob a bank, man.

I don't know if you got robbed a bank. You got to rob a bank. And I was like, damn, robbing the bank. If you were rob a bank, you'd be a millionaire, man, you know, that's the mentality you had growing up as a kid, as a young adult. So my brother-in-law came to me one day. He was like, hey, man, check this. I know this guy, man, this white guy, he wanted to rob a bank. You know, he looked for somebody.

He knows easily. like yeah bring them to me i want to know i want to meet him bring him over here so like two days later he brought the guy over you know we sat and talked for a minute um he told me about the bank um you know i said i want to see it take me to it so he took me to the bank um i was trying to see what the people were doing because it looked like they had to be buzzed in. I was like, they've got to be buzzed in. The first bank I did was the one on Hillsboro in Hibana. I think it was Florida Bank or something similar to that. It was a big name brand bank or big branch. It was just like an independent, a small bank. But anyway, you had to be buzzed

to get in. I was like, man, look, I don't want to do no bank. You got to be buzzed to get in. What about you got to be buzz to get out? He's like, no, no, no. You have to be buzzed to get out. He's like, no, no, no, no, already been in. You don't, you don't have to worry about that. Once you get in, you're like, are you serious? He's like, yeah, bro, man, it's going to be easy, man. I'm like, fuck it, let's do it. So it's like, I'm going to get the cars and everything.

And then, whoa, woo, I was like, I get the scraps and I get everything else. You know, we're going to handle this. So we picked the day, which was going to be on a Friday. And we picked that day because we felt like that's the day that the most money would be in the bank. in the tellers because Friday is normally check-cashing day. So we, you know, we felt like that would be the best day to do it. So I picked him up around 10, 10.30 or so I wanted to make sure I'm around there hitting the bank around, like right before lunchtime when I feel like people was going to come

and be doing their thing, getting the check cash, and it was going to be the most amount of money and the tellers at that time. So I picked him up. We'd go get our first vehicle, you know, a stolen vehicle that he used a screwdriver to get. I think it was a Mustang 5.0. It was.

It was a Mustang 5.0 with like a halacious engine and it was all souped up and everything. So we go get in the first car and our second car was a Nissan Maximum that I had and we had got from Nissan or Tampa

we had keys to it and everything so we had parked that behind the published because it was in like a public shopping center and the bank set up on the corner of Hillsboro and Havana so we're on our way heading west

on Hillsboro right before Armenia. I got me my other guy and the person who originally wanted to do the bank and sitting in the car with me. So when we pull up the hills, Burr and Aminia, this guy, we already ready, we got the glass on, we got the mat, we got the glass, we got the bag, we're ready, we're trying to get down.

So when we pull up the hills, Burling, Aminia, this guy tells me, he starts crying, he starts crying. No, Rob, man, I can't do this, man, I can't do it, man. No, I'm on probation. on probation with the fed, man. I can't do this, man. It's something having me, and I'm going to go away forever.

I looked at him. Like, damn, hold on. Just chill. I'm thinking in the back of my head. It's just some shit. I say, Dana, what's that? What's up, buddy? What's you want to do?

He's like, man, whatever, raw, raw, whatever you want to do, I'm going to do it. I say, fuck it, come on. I pull it over to him. There was a little crystals hamburger right down the corner, like a million hills, bro.

there's a crystal so I pulled into there I dropped him off bam I say just wait right here man we're gonna do that so me and Dana Dana grabbed jumped up in the front seat with me we pull out of crystal

we pull up to the bank so when we pull up to the bank we got dark tinting windows on the Mustang so we're sitting out front and we're waiting to try to get in because I know you have to be buzzed in so I say Dana you see these two old people right here

so when they get that door open When they go, they buzz in, he's going to hold the door open. We're going in. Bam. He said, all right, so we wait in. People, they're walking real slow. They walked up there. Soon as they pulled the door open, they go in, me and Dana out of the car.

I'm the first one in the door behind the people. Dana pushed them on the end. He stood at the door. I'm over the counter. Bam. I'm hitting all the tail. Now, check it. This is my first bank.

It happened so fast, but in slow motion that I can almost remember. everything that happened. I can remember Dana standing by the door. There was a little kid trying to run out of the door. He kept him from running out of the door. I can remember even though I'm at the towel is pulling all the tellers, even at the drive-thru, I can remember the bank manager walking through with just like with a graceful walk just saying, just give them whatever they want. Don't do anything. Whatever they want, just do whatever they say. So I'm still handling my business and doing what I'm supposed to do

and then Dana like let's go let's go boom I jumped back across the counter boom we got out there I jumped in the car went around the bike of public where I had the second vehicle at bam

see the reason why I parted the car behind Publis because I wanted to give them a sense that I was driving down Hibana because they're going to see me

coming out driving down Hobana heading south but I dip behind the public jumped into my second vehicle and came out on Hillsborough and proceeded to go down Hillsborough heading east. So I'm going to have all the polio. Oh, they went that way. I'm having them

looking that way. When Ashley, I'm in the second behavior in a totally different car, a totally different color heading in the opposite direction. So anyway, Greg had a ride. He met me back at my house. We counted up the money that we had. And Greg was like, man, I can't believe it. Man, you did it. Man, I can't believe. man i can't believe in so this is the guy who started crying at the red light on i mean who didn't want to do it even though he didn't participate i still broke him off i think i got like $8,700 eight thousand seven hundred dollars out of the first one very disappointing to me but nevertheless i think i gave him like 500 600 bucks just for being

in there. Plus, I wanted to make him a part of it. Even though he didn't participate, I wanted to make him a part of it. That way he don't run his mouth. He don't tell, even though that was going to happen anyway. After that,

I was like, damn, my people was like, man, that was easy, man. We're going to have to do another one. So, I waited approximately, like, maybe like three, four months, and we scouted out to do another one. Um, my very second one, I did of, uh, I for, I mean, um, four street exit off of Gandy in St. Pete. Man, really nice.

I think I gross like 47,000. I took like 47,000 out of there somewhere. around there, it's 35,000, 47,000. It was all the same to me. That particular one there, we were just, I just wanted to do something away from Tampa because it was already hot from the one before. So I decided I'm going to go across the bridge. We went across the bridge. I seen it right there. It was a nice location. It was red all for Gandy and I, um, 4th Street, jump back on Gandy, do my little thing. Nice. So we got all the material, everything, all the tools we needed to pull the job off, two cars, whatever, went over there.

And we did it. It was really easy. Now, this particular bank right here, what I can remember that's really outstanding to me is that in the process of me grabbing all the money and getting, the tellers hitting the tellers I can remember there was about three or four college kids who was standing in line and waiting to see the teller

and I can just remember them saying oh fucking right all right go go go hell yeah yeah buddy go go go go and I was like damn so anyway I hit him which was a pretty good look I think I got somewhere between like 37,000 40,000

or something like that out of there and made it to the second car came back across the bridge across Gandy and came to the house and divided them among the guys who I was with. And they went their separate ways. Now,

I I, it wasn't like it was something planned. It wasn't like that I wanted to make this a thing or I wanted to be a bank robbery. do banks all my life

it was just something that happened out of the blue it was just something that I had been doing other things that wasn't really paying off I mean my brother-in-law once he's like hey man I know this guy got like

10 pounds of weed he got like $20,000 in his house and boom you know I know I seen it in there last night or I seen in there last week or whatever I was like, man, you sure, man? So I used to do little things like that and it wasn't paying up

when I got there, man. Tad the fucking house up, do whatever I had to do to try to find it wasn't there. So I had to end up fucking getting steaks out of the fridge or fucking lobsters or brand new Jordans or Nike's or something

just to make up for the time that I was spent trying to find this money, which wasn't there. so I just got tired and I said to myself man you know what I'm putting my life in freedom in jeopardy

going to all these places they ain't paying out I need to do something that I know it's going to be money it's there that's their job to have it there and that would make me decide to if I'm going to do something

I got to do it where it's at if I'm going to take this risk I got to make sure it's worth it so that's why I was like you know I'm not messing with nothing more these petty drug deal with these bishops I don't got shit I'm going to go right where the money's at

so I had did that for a while and end up by my fifth bank I wanted to do something big I wanted I wanted to like

not take over the bank because I still was on the time limit but I wanted to get the most and this was the first time I ever used two people, two guys that go over the counter. It always was me because I know what I'm looking for. I'm moving rapidly. I don't want no problem. So I always was the one to get the money but this time I wanted to use two because I felt like I'm going to get double the amount. So I scoped out this one bank. I think it was like on the line ball and Anderson Road or somewhere down there.

I think it was like Bank of America. No, whatever it was. It doesn't matter. So I felt like it was a pretty good apartment complex set across the road. I can put my second car there. I can make it look like I'm going this way. I can pretty much do the same thing and give them the illusion that I'm heading in one direction when I'm going to the other one.

So I got my crew together. We got all the vehicles of the things that we was going to need to be able to pull it all successfully. And we headed that away. So when we got there, pull up in the driveway and the parking. And right in front of the bank, we was in a minivan. And the reason why I started using minivans because it's easy for you to be able to change your clothes. Stand up in the back of it, change your clothes. and do what you have to do without being seen, sliding door, easy access to get out.

You have multiple people, so it was easy to start trying to climb across seats and cars. So we always use minivans for our first vehicle. So when we pulled up to this bank, which was like approximately like 9.30 in the morning, it was really nice so when I pulled up to the front of the bank and decided this was the time to go in I was the first person

through the door on the counter when I jumped over on top of the counter there was money scattered all over the counter and what I figured and I found out is that Wells Fargo had just made a drop off

at that bank and the ladies was counting the bills and they had it all was on the counter laid out. So on top of the counter, I'm on the counter with my bag, just getting all the bills off the counter. So I had another person also with me getting money while I had the other two people holding people at bay. We get into money, we get into money, we get in the money.

This guy's getting the money. I jumped down because I got all the, everything out of the count, off the top of the counter. Now I'm hitting the drawers. We're getting the money, we're getting the money. Boom. My guy says it's time to go. We jumped over it, back across the counter to head out.

to proceed outside the bank. And when we got back in the van, I'm the driver, always the driver. I pulled to exit from the bank onto Anderson. I was heading south, so I was making a right on the Anderson, and I was going to make a really quick. Once I made that bin,

out of the view from the bank, they couldn't see me once I made that bin. I was going to dip into the apartment, complex real quick, and chain it to my second car. soon as we pulled outside the bank the guy who went across the counter with me was sitting in the front seat

as soon as I went to make that turn I just seen inside of the car he had took a wad of 20s which was approximately like $2,000 I'm not mistaken $2,000 or $5,000 something like that he took a water 20s that had a die pack in it

and he shoved it in his pan he was trying to cup cup mean he was trying to keep still from us. He was just trying to get that for itself. But the little of that he knew that, that was a die pack. It blew up in his pants, and he was over there sitting

while I'm driving, trying to get away from the bank. We just robbed this bank. This guy's sitting there like, oh, what is fuck? Look what I was like, what the fuck? I was like, pull it out, pull it out. And he had a bunch of burnt-up 20s and smoke coming out. I said, throw it out the window. So he rolled him in the window down.

He threw it out the winter. I'm like, damn, what happened? how that fuck that happened? And he was like, man, I just grabbed and I just put it there because of my bag had filled and I just put it in my bin and put it right there. I was like, oh, don't worry about it. Okay, that's right.

We went to the second behavior. I'm thinking, like, this motherfucker was trying to cuff a whole stack of 20s and the shit blew up in his pan. And the first thing I told him was watch out for the 20s, especially the ones over to the far left. Most time it's going to be a die pack. And he grabbed it not paying attention and it blew up in his pants.

But anyway, we got out at which was a nice date because it was, it was, it was, you know, a substantial amount of money that was laying on the counter. So I probably ended up with like 50, 60 grand from there. Went back to our house, hired out, and divided it amongst the four people who participated in the bank robbery. So as time went, you know, I had enough money for a period, for a long period of time that I wasn't really worried about doing anything for a minute. And, you know, I was just chilling out, just doing my little things, selling a couple of little sacks of weed here and there. And just trying to stay out of the way, stay out of trouble. And one day, maybe like, I don't know, six, seven months.

I had someone come up to me and he said hey man I know these guys who want to rob the armored car and I was like man shit a armor car I was like I ain't really interested in doing an armored car until he told me man the guy works on the car he's going to be real easy he works for the company so I like for real real oh shit oh shit okay I want to talk to him let me talk to him so he brought him over and it was like a

Jamaican guy who worked for Wells Fargo I think when he brought him over the guy even had the Wells Farrow uniform on us something like something in that nature I remember seeing a Wells Fargo uniform but anyway he was like yeah man you know he driving a brand new

Porsche he had been taking little individual packs money from other carts throwing in and he his cars when he had to go to wells far i guess i i can't remember what the setup but he was telling me some shit like when he had to get his cart sometimes you know it's not watching the way you you know you're angle yourself you can slide a pack of money or off for one of the bins and put it in yours and you just got to remember which one it is and he used to like take the cart low up his truck and he put

to the side the one he took from somebody else's bin and then when he go to make his drops and stuff he'd get to like a like a public store or or some type of grocery store or a convenience store he'll go in the bathroom and hide it and into the garbage bag called his brother up and have his brother hey man you got to get over there real quick and get this money i just put $50,000 cash inside the bathroom inside public's bathroom I was like, well, I, are you serious to do that? He did it like three or four times. So that's how he bought the Porsche.

So anyway, I said, yeah, man, tell me about the Licks. So he's telling me about the day, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be easy. It's like about, we get it like $250,000,000. All right, then I want to see it. So the following day, he came and schooled me up, picked me up, And we decided to go and check out this lick. So this lick was over in St. Pete. Now, they had took an old bank and converted it into something they called the Money Store.

And this is a building that used to be a bank. And all the armored car drivers, that's where they pull money from to take to other banks, other facilities and stuff. So that's why they call it the money store because that's the only thing they did was. house money and load up armored cars to deliver money to other facilities. So he took me over there. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm like, okay, yeah, I go. I see the guy come out with the money. I see him throwing it in the back of the armor car. So I'm like, okay, what would we do? I would pull up from the side, catch him from the side when he got his back to me. so as I'm watching

seeing it from a distance I'm putting my thoughts together my plan together how would I pull it off always going to be two cars going to be this going to be that I need this need that so I was like yeah man we can do it so we went by head back to Tampa and

we decided we were going to do it so we um we um we meet up like two days later we meet up like two days later we have everything we need we got the minivan we got the second vehicle i think it was even a third we had even a third vehicle um i even had a particular group of people watching me specifically that if anything happened to me if I have to get on the run that they're going to meet me somewhere they're going to follow me

or meet me at a distance and they're going to scoop me up I had I always had my own safety net if anything ever happened they're watching from a distance they can scoop me up

take me out of harm's way so we got everybody in place we pull up we sit in our spot we see the armored car pull up i got a bulletproof vest on gloves skiing ass hoodie everything he got the same on he's got a bulletproof vest we have a driver we in the minivan we've seen the armor car pull up to the money store the messenger the messenger is a guy who he's in the back he does all the moving moving the money go in the store he's the messenger and also the truck have a driver the driver is the person that

drives. He only drive. He cannot open the door, get out of the van. But he has he has portholes that he's capable and able to be able to shoot from. So once the messenger got the doors open

to the truck, he went inside the money store and came back out with a big, like, laundry bin full of money. We pull up to the side. And when we pull up to the side, I was the first person out of the minivan. I opened up the door. I had a

40 4 Red Desert Eagle Red Hawk Desert Eagle some shit. And when I came out of the minivan the messenger seen me left all the money

right there and ran to the front of the truck. I went to the rear of the truck stood right here just to see where he went. I turned back around to start grabbing the money to throw into the minivan. My guy, he stood at the back of the truck watching the messenger at the front of the truck. So when I went to grab the money to throw in the back of the truck, it slipped because of the gloves. It was saran wrapped

money in a square about this big right here, saran wrapped together with, I think it was in some kind of cloth material wrapped first, and then it was wrapped with plastic. So when I went to try to grab it and having a gun right here, the money slipped out of my hand. That's when the messengers started shooting at my guy. So they started exchanging gunfire back and forth. So I went down to try to grab the money again, and it was so freaking heavy. I couldn't get it to throw it in the minivan. The driver started shooting at me.

I grabbed my, I grabbed my 44, and I upped it into the back of the truck where the driver was. And now I granted it. We have a truck, I don't know, maybe what, 10 feet, 10 feet long, 9, 10 feet long. I'm not sure how long the truck is, I'm a truck. But I know personally that the driver was no more than like 7, 6, 7 feet from me sitting in the back of the truck. I'm standing in the center of the back of the truck where the door is open. He has two portholes that he can shoot out of. standing there when I up to 44 on the first pull when I pulled it the gun from the concussion from the

pressure from the gun it just started going off boom boom boom boom because I tried to shoot it with one hand now the driver is shooting at me through the hole and I'm still trying to handle the gun shooting back at him and he's shooting at me through the porthole and we when when I turned to my right and I seen that the minivan was starting to leave. I then turned around this way to my left, and I end up dropping the gun. It slipped out of my hand. I dropped the gun.

I ran and jumped inside the minivan because the sliding door was open on the minivan, and this guy was waiting for his brother to get in because he was going to fucking leave me. That's the only thing I can think of. He was going to leave me. If I wouldn't have made it to that van, he was going to leave me.

At the time I'm running to jump inside the min, minivan the driver and the messenger is shooting out all the windows in the minivan so when i dived in it by me diving in it kept me down kept me from being able to get shot but i got shot in my heel and my buddy's brother got shot in the back of his head which grazed him and he was bleeding from the back of his head down i had on a black bulletproof vest and he had on a white bulletproof vest So I can see the blood leaking from his head down on the bulletproof vest because it was white and the blood was red. So I was like, damn, trying to figure out where you got hit at, but it had got hit crazed in the back of his head and started leaking onto the vest. So we made it to our second vehicle as a, well, when we was getting away, they were just running down the road, the driver, I mean, the messenger running down the road just shooting out of the van, trying to stop the van from getting away.

So we got to the light The light was red He wanted to stop at the light I was like man go go go I made him run the light Go to our second vehicle We got to the second vehicle We changed cars

And We made across the bridge Back across I think we came Howard Franklin Across the Howard Franklin And inside the vehicle He was saying that

He was going to Orlando To take his brother because his aunt was a nurse in Orlando and he wanted to seek medical attention from his brother with a gunshot wound in the back of his head. So all this going on, I make it back to my place.

I'm chilling. I'm kind of like stressing going by what just fucking took place and at the money store of trying to rob this armored car. So I You know my girl

She knows all about it And everything And she kind of comfort me And We're watching the TV Watching the movie I get a knock at the door I get this knock at the door

And my girl goes to answer the door And it's Hillford County Sheriff's Department So I'm like Fuck Oh shit so she's like um yeah he's here like what are you here for it's like uh he's got a warrant out for his arrest for um domestic violence i'm like fuck and she's like no i dropped the charges

there was something we had a little disagreement a little argument and i dropped the charges on him and um you know i'm not holding any charges against him and he was like well um the judge still want to see him they still got the charges for um domestic violence so we're going to have to take him out, but you can come and bond him out. So I was like, fuck, I can't believe it. After what just took place today, this guy is coming to arrest me on a domestic violence charge. So I was like, okay, cool. I'm going to keep my cool because I just had to go along with it. I didn't want to bring no attention to myself. So he arrested me. He take me down around the corner. I think at the time I stayed on like sliding 50th Street. He pulled into it, like,

like a vacant apartment complex to do its paperwork. And at that time, he let me use his personal phone to call my girl to just talk to her while he does the paperwork. So after doing the paperwork, we proceeded to go to Orange Road, which I was booked in on domestic violence charge. And I had to go in front of the judge in order for him to see what we know what was going to take place. So now, that night, I'm going through it.

I'm stressing. I was like, damn, I just fucking try to out, this armor car. This man, coming. I don't want to be in here. And they find out of this me. And then I'm trying to, oh, Lord, shit. I got to get the hell out of here. I was like, man, this is not good.

So I'm inside my cell. I'm tripping. I'm like, man. how did this fucking happen after what happened the day now I'm fucking in here date on the same freaking day I was like

okay I'm just wait until I see the judge so I lay down to go to sleep I think I was in a cell by myself at this time it wasn't too busy too crowded inside the pod it was just like a one-man cell

I fell asleep inside of me sleeping I'm having this dream about the all my car robbery that happened earlier that day I'm playing this shit back in my head

inside my dream in my dream I'm seeing everything that took place me coming out shooting slow motion everything moving in slow motion

but it was just one particular thing inside the dream that was going on that was confusing the hell out of me while I was standing or

sleeping inside my dream I kept hearing the sound, was like, pshu, pshu, pshu, but I'm dreaming and I'm like, not knowing, not really sure what was that noise? What was it coming from? I know I was dreaming, so I was like, fuck. But when I hear that noise, I wake up in like a cold sweat, I'm like, oh, fuck, damn. What was that noise? What was that noise? So I said, you know what? I'm going to go back to sleep. I'm going to lay back down. I'm going to go back to sleep. I'm going to go back to that dream. And I'm going to figure out my stuff.

I'm going to figure out what the fuck is that noise. So I somehow lay back down. I fell asleep. And I went right back to that dream. And inside the dream, I'm seeing it all again. But I'm telling myself, I need to slow it down. Slow the dream down for I can see exactly where that noise is coming from. And inside that dream, when I slowed it down, that noise was coming from bullets.

The bullets that was being shot from the driver who was shooting through the portholes at me. They were just whizzing by me. And that was that noise that I heard in my dream. So I was like, fuck, man, this guy's rat no more than five, six feet from me shooting at me. but the bullets are going around me. I'm like, I have some angels. Anyway, eventually I got a chance to see the judge and I think I was on probation at the time.

He just reinstated my probation, brought me back in front with the person who dropped the charges against me and just closed the case on the domestic violence charge. because the person who dropped the charges wasn't going to testify against me, so I don't think at that time state was picking up cases and stuff like that. It wasn't just that serious. But I ended up getting that case dropped and just end up finished doing my probation for whatever else. I think I had like a Grand Theft Auto or something that I was on at the time. As time went by, I kind of chilled out, chilled out on doing banks and stuff. I was, you know, just doing a little petty in and all the things, you know, making a few hundred dollars a day here and there, you know, had a little connections with weed and just doing a cup of sex here and there with friends and, you know, family and people who, you know, were smoking and wanted to smoke. I was just trying to make a few dollars that way. and after that I decided to get back in the nick of things

I had this girl come up to me who was my girl's best friend and you know I hadn't robbed the banker or did anything in quite some time but I was okay as far as money was concerned you know I wasn't hurting for nothing. And I had this girl come up to me and she was like, bro, I need you. And I'm like, damn, what was up? She's like, man, you're not going to believe. I had, I end up having a accident and Ebor over the weekend. And, you know, this girl pulls up and, and I, she ends up slamming her brakes and I end up hitting her from the back but we both got out of car and we went and looked at the car and I didn't have any damage to my car and she didn't have any damage to her car and

we just agreed that it was okay we were just going to go off but I found that she called the cops and said I did a hit and run I was like what are you serious she's like yeah man she ended up fucking calling the cops so I want to get my I had that little bit of damage on my car right there I just want to get that fixed and I just want to paint my car for they won't know it was me. I like, so what do you want me to do? She's like, man, I would do anything, man.

So I don't know what you'd be doing but I know you'd be coming up with money and stuff but I'll do whatever you can do in my car, I dry, or whatever you want to do. I'll do it to end up to get out of this jam with this car. I'm like, damn. I like, man, I see what's up.

I'll see what I get back with you. So I'm thinking like, damn, man, this girl going to be messing with me about trying to help her get some money, and I definitely don't want to come out of my pocket. I was like, I don't mind doing something to get a few extra dollars, but it's got to be the right thing. So I went on the scout. I went out looking around,

try to find something close in the area when we had to go too far. And then I can be able to help this girl for she can be able to get out of her little jam. So I found one which was on Himes. I think it was like a little sunbank or some type of bank, a little sunbank or something on Himes, right between Hills, Furl and MLK. And it was like perfect to me because it had those high branches that was like hiding the building for the people to pass her by as the cars

going down the street couldn't really see what was going on because they had those high bushes so high that was surrounding the building

so I was like damn okay cool I was like all right let me get everybody up together we're going to get all the stuff

I'm going to need to be able to pull this off and since I'm already got a stolen car hidden over here I don't have to

use a second car because I'm going to have her use her car. That's how I'm going to use her. I'm going to have her use her car. I'm going to break her off with just doing that right there and then, you know, made me a few dollars in the process. So I say, look, man, chat this out.

I'm Finnegarion and do this lick. Did I tell her? Yeah, I told her what the bank, but I just wanted her to wait for me in the spot in my second location. She didn't really have to have too many, too much ideas of what was going on

but I just want her to be the second vehicle and be in that location. Cool. So I got my people together so we went we went in, pulled a lick off end up getting like 21, 22,000 out of there. Got back

to the two where the second car was at left the stolen vehicle. They jumped into her vehicle not knowing at the time that when we transferring from one vehicle to the next There were somebody on the second floor in the apartment looking at the window at us. So we got in the vehicle, switched cars, got in her vehicle, proceeded to go to where I left my vehicle at, before we can just leave her vehicle over here in another apartment complex off of MLK, got in my vehicle.

Went back to my place, broke everybody all. and everybody went on a separate way. So this is the story that I heard that in the process of us dropping off the first vehicle to get in her vehicle, the guy up top seeing us getting in her vehicle. I don't know if he got her tag number. I know he got the making model, but I'm not sure if he got the tag number or not. but when the police and the helicopter was looking for the first vehicle they seen i had ducked and tucked it over in this apartment complex you had to see it from a helicopter because you

couldn't see it from the road because you turn in and go right there you had you know you had to pull in and be searching or see it from the helicopter they came over there to get the first vehicle that we went up in the banking and they were looking for witnesses people who seen anything so the guy on the second floor who were looking at the window must have seen all the police and the cops down there looking at the vehicle we had just left there and he decided to come down and tell his side of the story so to speak excuse me so when this guy come down to tell his side of the story he's told the he told the cops exactly what he's seen oh yeah i've seen like three or four

people come get out of this car they got in another car they got in this car and decided to head pull out and head to um aminia because we were closest to aminia than we were to hymns and habana so we pulled out and made that right turn and got on aminia and headed out to our um to the location to distribute the money. Now, they got the information about her car from the guy on the second floor. So when he gave them the call of the car

and making them all and shit, they started looking for that vehicle. And they found it in the second location that we put it off into another apartment complex. They ran the bin number, got her tag number, and found out it was her car. at that time, if I can remember correctly, she, I'm not sure how it went down, man. Only thing I know, they knew about her car and they were on her ass, she called me up and told me, man, these people are saying my car was used in some kind of robbery, whatever, whatever, whatever. And I was like, what you said, like, yeah, it wasn't me.

And I couldn't be in my car. It's got to be somebody else or whatever. Like, you just stick with that story. You don't know shit. Just telling it just like that. So I'm like, oh, shit, it's about to go down. So now they got some information about a car that was used, a person who might have been involved and stuff like that.

So you already know they're going to be watching. So I'm trying to keep my distance from that person in my furthest distance as possible from that person. But somehow the person, okay, so her nephew used to do little in-law job with me, you know, little weed and stuff. We used to go get a little stolen item selling stuff like that. And he knew about the things I did, and he was connected to her. So somehow he had some kind of connections.

With the police, he was involved in some kind of home invasion, and they found in his house a jacket that he had stole from a squat team member's house in Brandon. So he was already in the system on investigation talking to the police anyway. Somehow he mentioned my name, I got involved, so they had been watching me. I didn't even know. So around December 23rd, which was my brother. birthday. So like, well, yeah, on my birthday, I woke up that morning. And we decided we were going to go deep sea fishing out Clearwater on the double eagle, deep sea fishing. So I was like, okay, my birthday, I'm going fishing. So we're going to take my daughter and drop her off at the daycare. And then my son was going to go with me. I had my son too, Julian. He was with me. So we went to, to drop my daughter off, well, before I went to drop my door off, when I came outside to get in the vehicle, there was a fucking large, like, white bread bus. Like, those bread, those, um, those buses

that carry bread, like, wonder bread trucks, like, almost like a box truck kind of thing. Well, it was like a brand new one sitting outside in front of my house with, you know, all the other cars and stuff in the parking lot next to my car with dark tinted windows you couldn't see in it and at the time we were having fiber octet lines put down in the apartment complex so i'm thinking that these was the guys who was working for the fiber optic and um they parked so fucking close to my car that i wasn't able to open up the the passenger side on the door to put my door in the car seat so i'm like i'm trying to look into this fucking van i'm trying to look into it but the window's so dark And I'm walking around by the pool

I'm carrying her, I'm walking around by the pool I'm like, these motherfuckers, you better be glad. So I had to put her in through the driver's side to the car seat, lean over and put her in the car seat and then, you know, get in. And I had to pull out and let my son

get in through the passenger side and let my girl get in, in the front, the passenger side. So we decided to leave, we pull out, and I'm going to drop my daughter off to the daycare and then I was going to get some

breakfast from McDonald's and head back to the house to pick up all the fishing gear and head out to Clearwater. So I'm not knowing at this time the whole time that I have the feds, FBI following me around.

I'm not even knowing I was smoking that morning I was high so I wasn't really paying attention it was my birthday so it was enough to me to be paying attention that closely to vehicles around me.

I guess. I don't know. But I end up going by a friend of mine and let him know that, you know, I'm going out to Clearwater. He owned the pawn shop. There used to be Reddale and Hillsboro and, like, Rome. Rome, yeah, like Rome, Hillsborough and Rome. He owned this pawn shop. His name was Rock. Rockamoire. A real good friend of mine. And I stopped by it. say, hey, man, check this eyes.

My birthday, today I'm going out clear. He's like, hey, man, when you get finished coming back from fishing, just come over here. I got something for you. I said, all right, cool. I see you when I get back. So I turned out of the pawn shop because I live right down the street from where his pawn shop was at, an apartment complex over there. So I pulled it out, heading down towards apartment complex.

I pulled right in front of my apartment, and I'm getting ready to get out. So I put the car in park. and I look up to the left side of I lived on the right side on the second floor but I looked up on the left side on the second floor I seen two white guys with like they had on the same thing like jeans and like just two shirts white shirts I'm thinking they might be like some cable guys or you know someone trying to sell something so I happened I just peaked up there and I seen them so I put the car in part when I turned the car off and went the car off and went the open up the door, the whole squat team that was in that band was on my ass. And they were so happy. They got me. They were like, persistent pays. All right. And the wine guy's like, hi, hey, how are you doing? I'm in charge here. I'm Sergeant McLemeyer. And happy birthday. And persistent page. We've been out here since 6 o'clock in the morning. We could have got you when you first came out with your daughter, but we didn't want to do it out of

way we didn't want to traumatize your kids so we waited to a convenient time for us to get you so you know this guy you know that guy and long story short i was booked in a hill where i went to orient road and then they moved me from orange road to uh morgan street which was um our county and federal holo facility in hillsborough county i was booked in and I never seen the streets again for eight years that day I was booked in I was charged with armored car robbery and some home invasion kind of stuff

that the kid had told the sheriff about that's how they got on to me and then they start connecting the dots and putting everything together so I was booked in for armor car robbery and approximately

six to seven home invasions at that time I was like I'm never going before I look I'm never going to see the streets again I'm never going to get out. Matter of fact, the feds came to interview me. They pulled me in to the room, and they go,

you might as well tell us everything you know because you're never going to see the streets again. I'm like, shit, since I'm never going to see the streets again, I ain't telling y'all shit. I'm never seeing the streets again. There ain't no sense of me having to say anything, y'all. Well, we got your wife, we're going to get your wife to it. And you know what?

She's going away for a long time. I'm like, hey, man. y'all do what you got to do you do what you got to do i ain't telling y'all shit i don't know shit i ain't never seen the streets again so they left they were pissed so they took me back to them to my um cell i called my girl up i said hey man look don't ever don't leave the house stay in my mom's house don't leave because they say they're going to get you they're going to charge you with this that and the other so if i was you i wouldn't leave just stay in the house The next day she gets up, she tried to leave.

She decides she wanted to go out from my mom's house on 34 up and MLK, go to the bus stop and get on the bus and head down to her mom's house. So as soon as she came out of the house and went to stood on, MLK, the feds pulled up to her and arrested her with my daughter and took her and booked her hand and charged her with all these charges that they tried. to throw on me. The reason why they did that because they wanted her to tell on me. And I told her look, man, do what you got to do. You have to be on the street. Tell them whatever you feel like you have to tell them. You know, do

what you got to do. Don't worry about me. I got me. So they let her out. And she, I guess she was like showing them that she was trying to, she was cooperating with them, you know. You know, telling them so. much telling them pretty much the shit they already knew to try to make it look like she was

working with them and then uh i was like man look don't even sweat it just do what you got to do of shit i'm the one who got myself in this i'm the one going to get myself out so when i got booked in at um morgan street i already know about not talking to people when you get booked in people try to get on your case they want to try to get time cut reduced from telling on you or what you said to them, they got shit. So you do not talk to no one, period. You try to refrain from having conversation with anybody when you place in that position.

So one day, like my second or third day in there, I think I'm having chow after chow or something. And I had this old black man come up to me that I never, I never talked to this guy. I don't even remember if I ever seen him before in there. But he just came up to me and he goes, Hey, buddy, he's like, you, um, you ever heard of a proffer agreement? I say proffered agreement, no.

He's like, well, if you ever did anything out there and you never got called for it, you may actually worry about a proffer agreement because if you get on this and you get sent it for this charge right here, and then somebody out there to say, oh, I did this for Rob, Batman, what I did it with him? then they can come and re-indite you and get you a consecutive sentence on top of the sentence that you're on. I was like, damn, really? So I knew I had there like 10 bank robbers.

I was like, oh, freak. Man, I'm going to call my lawyer. So I called my lawyer and I say, hey, buddy, how you doing, sir? Like, you ever heard of a proper agreement? I said, what's a proper agreement? You're like, a proper agreement if you have some crimes that was committed

and they were never solved no one's never been charged with it and it has to be information that the prosecutor or whoever they're willing to listen it has to be something they think that's good substantial that they can be

able to correct these solve these cases I like what if I know about somebody that robbed 10 banks because I really didn't want to put me out there right then yet so I say what if I know about someone

who robbed 10 banks. And he's like, if you know about someone to rob 10 banks, you're going home tomorrow. And I was like, really? I'm like, damn, I'm going home? He's like, man, if you know about 10 banks and never, the guy never got called,

you're going home. I was like, okay, well, hey, go tell them whoever you need to talk to, tell them that I know about 10 banks and I want to see what they can do. So he went and talked to the federal prosecutor at the time. And my federal prosecutor, man, he was a black guy. He was a black federal prosecutor.

And I can't remember his name, but I do want to say like a year two later after our sentence, he left being a prosecutor here in Florida and went to Washington, D.C. to be President Clinton's secretary of state or secretary of defense or secretary for something. And he came, talked to me, and told me what the deal would be. He's like, look, I am making you no promises. I'm going to send two investigators to talk to you in the beginning of the week. And if it's something that I'm willing to listen to or something that I think might be good, helpful for, for my case, then I'll get with your lawyer and we'll let him know what we can do for you.

I was like, okay, cool shit, because at the time, shit, I want to help my PSI, my pre-sentence investigation report came back 27 years, and I just knew that, look, I got to be able to help myself, some kind of way. So, by the black gentleman, telling me about the proffer agreement, was something that I like to see something I did I don't have to say something about someone else it's something that the crimes that I committed if I can use that to get leniency towards my case or my sentence then cool the best for me so I um I end up being called out that Monday now like I was saying earlier my prosecutor ended up, like a year later, going to work for Clinton in the White House.

And how I know about this is because I was sitting there after my sentencing, I got moved to Brooksville, Hernando County. That was a federal hole over. It was like a CCA, a private jail. And I was just sitting in the TV room one day watching the news or something. And a picture of my prosecutor came up saying that he just got promoted to secretary of state or secretary or defense or something working for President Clinton. I was like, fuck, I can't believe it is this mother. But anyway.

So on that Monday, he sent two agents over to talk to me and asked me about the information that I was talking to my lawyer and the federal prosecutor about. And I told them, all right, come in, how y'all doing? My name's Robert Edwards. We went inside the chapel. They had a seat. I had a seat. And I told them about the very, very first bank I robbed. And that was the bank where the guy started crying.

He didn't want to rob it with me. I had to put him out at the Chrysler's hamburger. And I proceeded to do the bank without them. So I told them about that bank. It took approximately. an hour, an hour and a half to tell them how I came from point A to point B, how I, when I told them about the bank robber, I told them about everything, the planning, how I came up with the idea, how what I wanted them to know specifically about everything that took place in

order for me to be able to pull it off. I mean, because if people already said, look, don't hold shit back. If you, we want to know everything. If you tell us or lie to us about anything, we'll take it away. We won't give you credit for the information that you gave us. I'm like, well, I'm going to make sure they have no everything. So, um, so anyway, I told the story about the first bank I robbed. I think I only told like one or two.

I think I was able to get into the second bank at that time after I told about the first bank. there was an older FBI agent in a younger one the older one was approximately I'm going to say like 65 and the younger guy he was like in his early 30s

so when I told him about that first bank that I robbed on Hillsboro and Havana we finished up that day I went back to myself and they came the following day now when they came to get me the following day the two agents was already there waiting for me outside the door of the chapel and as i'm walking up with the ceo the younger guy came up to me like he was like oh fuck hey bro man you know

i went back and um i i i pulled the movie i pulled the um the video recording of the bank that you robbed on hillsborough and Havana, he's like, bro, fuck, soon as you open up the door, your first step, you're over the fucking counter. Like, so fast. He's like, man, why aren't you playing basketball or football? He's like, man, you're fucking quick. You were in and out of that place.

And I'm standing there looking at him like, okay, yeah, I'm like thinking to myself, like, this is an FBI guy. He's like fucking pulling me. He's like pulling my dick about what I've done. Or, you know, he's like cheering for me. like, you know, boosting on my ego or something. And I was like, wow.

He's like, man, bro, you should be playing football or basketball or something because as soon as you open up the door, your first step, you're over the counter, like in one leap. And I was like, I had to do what I had to do. I had to get in and out. But anyway, make a long story short, I proceeded to finish up telling them about the banks that I robbed how I did. Where they were done, how much money was taking, what I was wearing at the time. And by me doing that, they knocked from a 27-year sentence, knocked me down to a 10-year sentence.

They knocked 17 years off my sentence by me telling them about the 10 banks that I robbed and never got called for. I guess I'd always kind of heard of these people who break into the bank machines, right? there was a crew here in my city that had been pretty prolific at it and it was many years before this at this time and it always talked about it you've always heard all this stuff right so it was always in the back of my mind i got to check this out got to check this out who was that was that who was that um uh gerald blanchard have you ever heard that name gerald blanchard no he was in a wired magazine i when i was locked up

up. I read an article about him and he was breaking into ATMs. Was he Canadian? Yeah. Yeah. How old was he? He was in his late 20s, early 30s, and this was probably 10 years, about 15, 15 years ago. No. Gerald Blanchard, yeah.

No, I don't think so. Now, I can't, anything that you are ever going to read or see is pretty much guaranteed. It's the little private ATL. machines that people can buy and put in their variety stores or whatever no this was this was actually a ATMs he was he was finding banks that were being banks were being you know built remodeled yeah and then just before and I guess apparently your ATM machines are on the inside right like you have doors you can't leave them outside so he would wait till like the banks we're going to it's a new bank it's going to be opened on Tuesday yeah he was well the night

he would break in before that he'd get the serial number of the ATM machine he would contact the manufacturer and say that he was with the bank and they'd lost their key and he'd order another key. Really?

So now he's got the key to the back of the of the of the ATM and he said you know they'll have four or six of these fucking things in a row. Yeah well yeah three and so he said what would happen is he would break the night before, well, whatever, weeks before, really, he would block off the sensors, like, you know, the motion detectors on the inside of the blank. Because they still work.

He just block off so he could drop down into the bank. Yeah. And then he would go. And so the night before they would load the machines, he would go unlock the doors, pull out all the money, go back up inside, and then go back out. And he said, you know, if like the alarm got set off or something, which I think almost never happened. He said, you know, the cops show up. They'll look in the way.

It's still secure. Yeah, they look around. You drive around. They'll sit outside for 30, 45 minutes and they leave. Yep. Yeah. So, yeah. That reminded me of your thing is what when you see.

Yeah. Well, that's exactly what we're. So they have the same as you guys, the ones that stand alone, like in the hallway of them all or the ones that are in a convenience store. But those are the private ones. Yeah, yeah. When you get into the bank, bank ones, the only time that you'll ever read anything about that is when they catch you.

They will never say Scotiabank machine broken into $50,000 missing, blah, blah, blah. Because they don't want anyone to know that they're losing their shit. Yeah. Right. The only time that we ever got any publicity was when they arrested us. Right.

And then it was all blah, blah, blah, blah, we caught these guys, right? Well, how did you get on to this? You were telling, I'm sorry, I kind of interrupt. Yeah, so I didn't know these guys and I was friends with one of them and a specific holiday was coming up and he's like, Chris,

are you interested in doing this with me? I'm like, yeah, all right, I'll give her a shot. So we did. We put a chain around the fucking thing, ripped it out. We got. We made, I don't know, about $33,000 or something. I was like, fuck, that was pretty good.

That was quick. It was easy, right? What do you mean get it wrap the chain around it? So you get a big, big thick chain. Is this a private one or a bank? No, this was a bank one, but it was in a gas station. Okay. And so we put the chain around it.

It's hooked to the vehicle. Like, right, take the run out of it, and it ripped it out. It came fucking, we stand there. I was just a thing come flying out of the fucking building, land in the parking lot. We fucking loaded it up. We were gone. So I was like, wow, that's, cool. That was easy.

so then that guy he wasn't really what's that sorry how'd you get into it like did you pry it open like yes a tracking device or anything no there was no GPS in it no so we well obviously we left it in the vehicle and put it somewhere where we could sit for a while and watch it right make sure that nobody came and checked on it right so the next day we took it to a shop and we took a quick cut to it fucking cut it open and got the cases out and took the money and we're good to go We, uh, I don't want to say how we know, that's rid of it, but I'm just, I'm just curious. Yeah. Right.

So we did that. So I did that for, uh, whatever. We're not going to say, right. But, but it happened here and there. Right. And, uh, but it was always in the back of my mind. I'm like, this is a lot of work. I don't want to fucking rip it out and do, but what if that thing fucking hits me in the back

of the head one day, right? I had one, one time. We were with two other guys, and we're lifting this thing. That fucking machine probably weighs about a thousand pounds. It's a big safe. That's with a computer on the top is what it is, right? Yeah. So me and the two other guys, we're lifting this machine into a tour.

Well, something had slipped. Well, the edge of the fucking machine had landed on my pinky finger and just distrushed it. I actually went to my family doctor. I'm like, something's wrong with my finger. It sends me for an x-ray. He's like, something wrong with your finger. he says it's fucking crushed what did you do? I'm like

well I dropped something on it but you put a thousand pounds on it like it was right at the very corner so it was like a sharp edge right it just crushed my finger it literally was swelled up so fast it just split the skin wide open so yeah

but just doing that it was like this seems like a lot of work right you know what if that machine the chain snaps and something goes loose fucking decapitate you like who knows

I'd rather just get into the machine, get the money out, and leave their shit there. I don't want the machine, right? So that was always my goal was to be able to just get the money and leave everything else behind, right? Obviously. So, yeah. You're not collecting ATN. Exactly. You know, you can only stick so money over a fucking bridge into a river before they start stocking up.

You know what I'm saying? so yeah um yeah there's a couple rivers with some piles at the end of the rainbow so yeah um hmm so what so so the next step is you're figuring we got to figure out yeah we got to figure out how to just get into these so okay i got to tread lightly here um it took some time definitely took some time I don't know if I can give details maybe we'll just stick with one day we figured it out

right we mastered the plan right well there's other guys there are guys out there like there's other guys doing it the blanchard guy like I said he actually had fucking figured out the key you know he's got different but here's the problem and I'll explain this to you when shit went bad for They go on your M.O.

Right? So when they arrested us, I had to plead guilty to nine of them because even though we had masks on and they couldn't prove that it was us, it's called a statement of similar fact. So because that white car pulled up and two guys and masks got out and they had the same tool and they did everything the same way, we can say that it's them. Right. Even though you got a mask on and they can't prove that it's you. It's a statement of similar fact is what they got. And my lawyers, you're done. You can't fight it.

It's over, right? So. So what's the most you ever got out of one of these things? Um, I just want to say I've got six digits multiple times. Okay. I want to give too many. specifics because yeah you know but i've got six digits multiple times um but on average you're

between 30 and 60 i've got a few 70s a few 80s a few 90s and 6s and 6 digits a few times but for the most part you're around between 30 and 50 thousand dollars okay right so Yeah. So you're doing this periodically. I mean, how are you guys hitting them like every week? Every, we were trying to be sporadic. We didn't want to leave any trail that they could start to set something up, right? Yeah.

So I was kind of worried. So we kind of jumped around from banks to banks, trying different styles, different ways, right? just testing the waters on everything certain banks were very lax on their security and other banks were got very uptight very quick on their security and took drastic measures very quickly like i can tell you one and it was they only lost about fifty thousand dollars before they tightened the fucking strings real quick and there was other banks that lost millions and never did a fucking single thing to do anything about it they would just wait till it was done and then they'd fix the problem they would never go and do a preemptive strike to do

anything to stop it right right so yeah it was it was interesting how married at this time married girlfriend god no um yeah i don't believe in marriage um girlfriend uh yeah yeah i was with my ex melissa and she had my two stepdaughters she have any any idea of what's happening or you just come home every once in a while with a nice thick yeah she she knew she had known me for a long time so she knew that i was a criminal i would never uh give specifics as to exactly what I'm doing for a couple of reasons. One I don't want it to have used against me later. And if she's being questioned,

I don't want her to have enough information. I just want her to be able to play dumb, right? Yeah. So, yeah, she never really knew. But she knew that I'm a criminal and it is what it is. You know, your buddy comes and picks you up and then you come back with a pocket full of money. What were you doing?

Were you trying to, did you start? I mean, were you thinking to yourself like, hey, this is just what I'm doing from here, on out or do you think yeah pretty much there was never much of an end goal because you know I had a lot of people that you know

Chris you gotta you gotta save up and you gotta start a business and you gotta just you I'm like that's you I'm not a business man I'm a fucking thief this is what I do right so in hindsight should I have did that obviously I wouldn't be struggling like I am

right now but you know what I got a lot of friends that, you know, when I was younger, I had a, I got a pretty close group of friends still from high school, some from public school that were all still good friends. And, you know, when we were younger, these guys would be like, oh, Chris, you know, you got to learn to settle down and fucking get married and have kids and relax. You know, you're going to end up old and lonely one day. That's my best friend, old and lonely.

Well, now we're in our mid-40s and he's still with the same girl going to the same fucking job doing the same shit day in and day out and i did a lot of shit in my life and had a lot of fun i was that old and lonely and now it's like shut up right i i did everything i wanted in my life traveling i did whatever i wanted i had everything so was it worth it i don't know do you want to be the guy that goes to the same job living your little white picket fence and fucking banging the same broad the rest of your life and that's not for me i'm not that's not that guy you know you guys got baskin robin's ice cream down there yeah yeah they got 31 flavors for a reason yeah you don't go there and eat chocolate ice cream all the time right right you got to

experience everything so i don't know i just i guess law enforcement often questions him not because he suspected of a crime but because they find him fascinating he is the most interesting in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. Yeah, that life's not for me. So it was worth it to have the pug. There was nothing that I could never not do, right? The only restrictions that were ever there was obviously going to the states that I'm not welcome there. So that took out some stuff. But you had the money to do

everything you ever wanted. I get everything you ever wanted, right? So life was pretty good, and I did it while I was young, right? Or, you know, all my friends, yeah, you got lots of money now in the bank and you're going to be fucking loaded when you're 60 years old, but you're too old to do anything. You're not going to enjoy it. So what, what happened? I mean, I mean, you're ultimately, I mean, you got caught. Yeah. Yeah. So I, uh, in August of 2016, I had spent the whole summer up on my boat, living on my boat all summer, and I had come back to London one day to do something, and I was on my bike, and I was out at my buddy's farm, and we were fucking drinking a couple bottles at whiskey, and we were pissing around on the dirt bikes, and ended up getting just hammered. Well, I don't know, I'd come up with this bright idea that I was going to take my friend whose house I was at, his wife, and my best friend and his wife, we were going to meet in town. I was going to grab this new girl that I was dating and take them out for dinner and introduce them.

I don't know. I have no recollection of any of this, but this is what I'm told. So it was about 7 o'clock at night, and I went to leave. They took my fucking shit. They wouldn't let me get on my bike, right? They're like, no, we're driving you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, whatever. They went in the house to grab his purse and keys and all that shit.

Well, I guess I had jumped on my bike and fucking taken off. Well, they tried to follow me. So this is outside of the city, probably about 20 minutes, half for outside of town, right? So I take off. So they tried following me. And I guess I was just all over the road, we've been in and out of traffic and just stupid, right? Well, they lost sight of me. So I don't know exactly what happened.

But at 12.31 in the morning, I came to, and I was laying in a field on my back. And I remember my first memory is yelling for help, yelling for the people that I know. And then I started to kind of clue in. I'm like, there ain't nobody fucking coming, Chris. You're in a goddamn field. And you don't know where you are. Right. So I took my helmet off and grabbed my, so I always put my phone in my inside pocket.

So I grabbed my phone out and I turned, I powered it on because it had shut off. And I called my girlfriend first and she's like, baby, where are you? I'm like, I'm fucking, why did I call you? You're useless, right? So I hung out. I called my buddy whose house I left. And I'm like, listen. I said, you got to come get me.

I said, just start heading back to London on the main road. I said, just start beeping your horn. I'll let you know when I hear you. Right? So he's like, okay. He and his wife better driving around looking for me for hours, right? but I don't really know what time it is at this point I don't know anything right I'm fucking just a day still

so about 15 minutes later I hear a horn in the background coming right so I'm like okay I can fucking hear you bro I can hear you I can hear you well I had left the town before London and it was about a five kilometer straight away and then there's a big sweeping turn well I kind of made an attempt for the turn but I didn't make the turn and I come off the highway and down into a field probably down about 15 feet and the bike landed in the nose and I think my body must have came forward my knees caught the handlebars and I broke everything in both my knees and it

obviously just catapulted me and flipped me and everything else and it was bad right so I was in a wheelchair for four months I had to learn on a walk again and everything else and at this time we had done all these machines that, whatever, it doesn't matter. We had to switch things up. Let's just say that. Okay. So I had always heard about this specific tool that would just open them up quickly. It's a torch, right?

Yeah. So I had heard about this thing. So I was like, well, you know what? I'm in rough shape. By this point, I've been hadn't really done. anything in close like eight months to a year at that point you know I always had a hundred grand kicking around for a rainy day whatever right well I had used that up being in the wheelchair I still got expenses coming out my ass you know you're not

thinking like oh that's the end of it right here I got to conserve you're still living life the way you are and you're in a wheelchair so you're trying to probably compensate a little bit and you know right so shit's getting bad so like Christmas time, I learned how to walk again. And we got arrested in May 4th or 5th or something like that. But in that meantime, we had got this new tool and we were practicing with it and trying to master the art of how to get in. Because you got to find the specific spot. You don't know.

You're going in blind. You don't know what you're dealing with. So you've got to try different shit. So in my mind, I'm trying. trying to picture the inside of this door to see where the fucking weaknesses are off of what I've learned from other machines. Well, these ones weren't the same, right? The whole mechanism inside was different. So I got to one, and I'm playing in my mind how a safe works and how the door goes or where the pins are going to be and this and that.

So then the one out of these nine, it fucking worked. We got like $32,000. Like, okay, I got it mastered. I got it figured out. No, we're good. I know where everything's at. Go back out, strike out, strike out. Well, I was with my co-ackews that I was with, and there may or may not have been another person with us in another vehicle.

So I have a question. Yep. You're just walking straight up to an ATM. No, no, and, and, and you're going in, you're going into the bank, okay? So when you go, I don't know how your guys' branches are, but in Canada, when we go walk to the front door of the bank, you could go in, there's a room to the side with the ATM machines that you can go in and access, right? Like a salad door. Yeah, and then there's a locked door that goes into the bank, right? So we got to go, we got to go in that door, into the bank, and then we got to go to the second door that goes into the room behind the machines.

And that's where the safe is for the machines that are in the wall that you walk up to. Okay, so nobody can see you back there. So nobody, well, once you're in the bank and in that room, no one sees you. Yeah. But to get to there, yeah, people can see you, right? Okay. So we got to go through two locked doors and then as soon as you open that second door, the alarm's on, right? So anyways, we're trying to figure this stuff out.

Well, for some reason, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm just going to say for some reason, we decided to. to go past our rules of 5 a.m. and do it around, I think it was 12.30 in the morning or something. Well, it was a fucking Saturday night, and the jurisdiction that we were in had a police helicopter, and it was just so happened that he was up in the air at that exact moment. So when we went into the bank, we had set the door, the motion on the door to go into the room, and then once we put the heat to the safe the fuck is set the heat sensor off

inside of the safe, right? And then there was a motion detector in that room too. So three alarms are going off. So they know that there's somebody in the room. It's not a false alarm on one thing. So they know. And within the last 60 days, there have been eight other attempts. And this is number nine.

And this is in the Greater Toronto area, which is a city of like 3 million people or 4 million people or whatever, right? So they know that it's on. So the fucking helicopter just went me and moved over on his little joystick and hovered over top of the bank so we come out at the bank and we're getting away we go through this subdivision i pull up to a light and i said to my partner i'm like that's a cop right there he's like no no no relax i'm like that's a fucking cop bro we got to go no no relax relax so unfortunately i listened to him not

that it would have mattered too much but i listened to him so i'm driving anyways i got all the way up to the main highway. As soon as I got on the on ramp, I fucking floor it. Well, sure enough, the lights come on. So we get into the chase. And by this point, I don't know that there's a helicopter on us, right?

So we go on the highway and I come off the highway. And I'll send you the video so you get the link so you see the full thing. But anyway, I fucking blew the cops away. We're gone, right? My partner is watching out the back window. There's no cop in sight. There's no one near us.

safe. So I go in, go through a bunch of streets and houses, I park in a fucking laneway, we get out, we hop in the backyard. Sitting in the backyard and all of a sudden I can see the fucking lights bouncing the school behind us. I can see the lights from the chair. He's bouncing off the school behind us. I'm like,

what the fuck, man? How do they know, right? It must just be random. Well, it ain't random. All of a sudden I hear this noise and I look up, there's a helicopter. Oh, fuck, I don't know how far up, but he's right above us hover and I'm like, oh, dude, we're fucked. it's over we're done and so yeah I tried to run when you see the video you'll see me

hobble over the fence well Durham Regional Police have released dramatic footage of a pursuit of two suspects in a break and enter at a bank they just blew the lights at highway to northbound on Harwood I'm going to switch to two here the police helicopters night vision camera shows the dramatic chase through the streets of Whitby last Saturday around 11.15 at night, police responded to an alarm at a Scotia Bank. The helicopter follows the suspects, and then as they try to make their high-speed getaway, running red lights and blowing past other cars. Now, take a look. You can see the heat from the tires as the car makes its high-speed turns. The suspects would eventually dump the car in a driveway and then

run off. Police arrested one suspect, and a canine officer was able to track down the other suspect nearby. A 41-year-old man and a 51-year-old man now face a total of 21 charges. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny that anybody that knew me because my legs didn't really bend then. So you can see the way I was running. It was pretty odd. They're like, oh, we know that was you, right? So then I took me down on the ground and punched my fucking basin and arrested me and charged me with nine bank machines and high-speed chase. And I ended up getting three and a half years for that and you do how much time on three three and a half on five years I did uh two and a half of the three three and a half really yeah yeah so in you have

in Canada on well on any time you do two thirds and then the last third is a good time basically In the provincial system, it's good time. So they could take your good time for you get into a fight or whatever. They could take that away. The federal system, it's not. It's called statutory release. At two-thirds, you're released on parole. And then you've got conditions.

You've got to see a parole officer and go through all the fucking bullshit, get a job and do all that stuff, right? Yeah. It's similar here. Well, not the two-thirds, but here you have to do 85% of your time. And then when you get released, they call it supervise. release, and you get, you know, like I got, I got five years supervised release. So everybody's like, oh, you got out of prison.

You're done. No, you're not. That's even worse. Yeah. For me, I'd rather be in the prison than being out here. Like, if you're going to lock me up, lock me up, don't fucking sit there and tease me with it because I don't want to be sitting at home with a nine o'clock curfew while my friends are out having fun and getting fucked and partying and drinking and being at the

bar and having a good time. Well, I'm sitting here because guess what? I ain't sticking around. I'm coming, right? That's just the person that I am, right? So I don't do well on that type of stuff. But that last one, all my stuff, I've always breached a million fucking things. I've always breached everything.

But my last one, I actually, believe it or not, completed the full parole. And my parole officer, my last day, I had to go see him for the last time. And he called me a statistical anomaly. What's that? You know Boziak? Yeah, I know he is. Yeah. He's never, he's never successfully completed a probation ever.

Yeah. I've, he's been on it fucking four, five, five, six times. I've never been able to complete it. Yeah, no, I've never completed one without having a fuck out until this last one, parole. My, uh, my first time when I was 18 and I got out, I went back. Well, I think I only went back on one parole violation. My second time I went to the pen.

I got two years. I went back on two violations on that one. And then this one, I got none. I finally finished it because in Canada, prison just, it ain't like it used to be. Not that prison was a good place to be, but it was tolerable, right? There was good people in there.

You know, you can have fun. Basically, in prison, well, you don't need me to tell you. Anything that you got on the street pretty much, you can get in there. You want to get drunk and have a party. You can make booze, get part. If you want to get hot, you can get hot. You want to get a piece of ass.

You can get trailers. Like you can work around pretty much every obstacle and get what you want, right? So it wasn't so bad. But now, a prison is just full of drug addicts, losers. There's nobody to sit there and talk with it, have an intelligent conversation, really. I mean, you can find the odd guy, but there's not much, right? Yeah. It's just, it's a whole different thing.

And it's not a place that I really want to spend a whole lot more time in my life. So I just, I wrote out that parole. and now I'm just trying to unfortunately work for a living and pay my bills. Not a big fan of it, but it is what it is. I'm going to, listen, that guy, Gerald Blanchard, right? Yeah. Hold on, fraud. I'm going to go with fraud.

Bro, I'm going to send you the Wired article on him. Yeah. I'm telling you, your story is almost like a combination of his story and Boziak's story. Like with you and being a kid in and out of the facilities, in and out, and out. And yours with the ATMs and everything. Yep. Same kind of stuff. I mean, I'm sure there's tons of stuff.

Where was he in Canada, do you know? Oh, I mean, Canada. Like was he in Ontario? Was he out west? I'm I just hit the here's the wired article um blanger yeah listen he's got a great story um so let me think what um shit i can't you got to look it up i don't know exactly where he where he was but i'm telling you i'm going to send it to you right now yeah you're gonna you're gonna read it and be like holy shit like you got some good stuff in there um hold on well maybe i can put it together

for the next fucking stab yeah yeah the only thing is you know what he did he actually was in um i want to say vienna hold on i'll tell you right now he was in where was he um oh man i wish i had thought about this better i want to say i'm gonna say vienna oh yeah uh i'm sorry your connection's going on weird oh sorry i think he was in venice or something not venice uh vienna anyway yeah i'll know for sure but what he did was he actually you know you know how a lot of in europe they'll take old castles and turn them into museums jay said no it's okay it you oh there we go Yeah. You know how in Europe, they'll take old castles and turn them into museums?

Yep. He'd gone through a museum and realized that like it had really bad security. And so he ends up getting someone to drop him at night and he parachutes down, skydives down and lands on the roof. Nice. And he goes in the second story window and he steals what's called the cis diamond. Okay. and it's a it's a diamond it's a massive diamond surrounded by other diamonds yep never does anything with it just keeps it keeps it because he you know he could have broke it apart and

sold it but but he did he has it he just wanted to see if he could do it you know he didn't have money yep and ultimately when he gets caught by in Canada um when he gets caught he uses that to bargain his way out of being getting you could do that in Canada yeah They call it doing patches. I used to do that. I've done it three or four times, believe it or not, with stolen vehicles, right? Because they don't like it very much, right? But I'm not there to please them.

But the thing is, is in Canada, the auto theft squad for the police is financed by the insurance companies, right? They give them a lot of money to stock combat auto theft, right? Really? So when you get caught for something, you're not going to really buy your way out of anything bad. But if you get such stupid little shit and, you know, you got a $100,000 car sitting somewhere. Well, your lawyer will go to the crown and say, hey, listen, my guy wants to give you this back. You drop this. Well, we don't want to do that.

No? Okay. Lawyer calls up the insurance company. Hey, my client has $100,000 worth of your stuff and the crown doesn't want to get it back for you. Oh, really? And the fuck with insurance company forces this. them to fucking do it. They get a phone calls that the fuck are we funding you for.

Exactly. So I read about another Canadian that was making U.S. money. Do you ever hear about that guy? He was counterfeiting U.S. money. I've heard of a few counterfeiters. I think he was in G. I think he might have been in GQ. And I read about him.

There's a video on YouTube about him. It's a short little video. I think that's the kid from fucking Windsor, I believe. Was just a young kid? No. He was old, short, fat. He was not a, not a, what, trust me, he was a tubby little guy. But there was a young kid from Windsor that stumbled upon that at a young age.

And he actually works for the federal government now. Well, this guy, when he got caught, he got caught and he was going to get a whole bunch of time. And the big thing they held over him was they were going to, Like he was like, he was thinking, okay, big deal. I'll get a year or two in Canada. I was making U.S. currency. Well, the secret service comes in. And they said, we're going to extradite you to the U.S.

So he turns around. He goes to the Canadians, you know, to the crown and said, listen, I'll tell you where, where the press is, where the paper is, where he had like, several million dollars already made. I'll give you several million, but you cannot send me to the United States. Yeah, because he knew they were going to give him 10 or 15 years. Oh, fuck, yeah. Yeah. Our justice systems are totally different, right? Like, they fucking hang you guys down there where we don't get that here. Loomis, there's two guys.

And as far as the truck layout is, it's a, it's a big F, I think it's an F650 converted into armor truck, I believe so. F650 converted to armor truck, bulletproof glass, sophisticated cameras. on the inside of when they had cameras at the front with the driver and then they had cameras in the bag with me and the cameras pointing out the front of the truck to one on each side and one in the back so and they're always 24-7 recording from the time you turn that truck on

even after you get by the time you get back it doesn't shut off for like another four hours or something like that always recording they're so sophisticated that if I was driving and I had one of these earbuds in right here it could tell that I had a earblood in my ear. But I was being distracted by that. And so it sent back, you know, information to my supervisor saying, well, this is what he's doing wrong. And pretty much people can

get rid enough for that. So as far as getting away with stuff, it was real difficult to do that. Let's discuss how the cameras work. But the driver, he's in there, well, a majority of the time, unless he has to go to use the bathroom, and then he has to ask me to, if he can go use the bathroom, of course go let them I'll hop in the front seat because there has to be someone in the truck driver's seat at all times and they do send out

supervisors to go watch you to make sure you're doing your job and they'll send them out 100, 200 miles out to watch see if you're doing it correctly so after that where was I? I was like yeah so there's my position

the carrier or the messenger as you would say we'd be responsible for collecting the cash, go inside convenience stores with cash ATMs, banks. Also, we go into like little outlet stores and get their cash also.

Their deposits in Walmarts also. We did a lot of work with Walmarts. We'd bring junk change. I mean, you go in there and you, what, you flash your badge and say, hey, because they've called you to come pick up money, right? So they're expecting you. Yes, pretty much.

And they already know they have a set schedule of when we're supposed to arrive. and there's actually been fraudulent people try to act as Loomis before you probably look it up and find a couple videos about it but he just had like a little vest on didn't say Loomis on and no ID badge but whenever we would go of course we'd have our D badge and it'd be like on a lanyard that you just pull down and you know if you if you had said Loomis on your vest it looked pretty legit and plus I got along with everyone so they always knew they're like well look Loomis is here be like what they call me

that man that's not my name so it's like you know scott i get along with everyone to get on their good side so yeah we'd go get their cash and then bring it back in the truck uh to we scan it in bring it rack in the truck put it in the bin go on to the next row from about six in the morning to about yeah i usually get home around uh nine 10 o'clock at night if i went out of town so we got a full day six some from six A.m. Yes. Until nine at night.

Just about sometimes later. But a 15 hour a day. Well, my route, we had to draw three hours out of town. So it was the drive that sucked the most. But all during that, on the way outside of town, we'd stop by little places, little convenience stores and stuff like that to pick up their cash or whatever or cell phone, places, T-Mobile. So on the way up there, we do that.

And sometimes some places, they wouldn't even have. deposits for us. They'd be like, oh, we don't have anything. All right, cool. On to the next. I just had like this long list of places we've got to stop at. So the whole time I'm routing route, which was the best, because they won't always be the same, like, in order. So it's like, all right, so where do we need to be at this time? We've got to be at this bank at this time. So we've got to do these, these routes efficiently. I had to plan them all out, kind of like in a route planner and see what's the fastest ones to take. Complete all those. They're planning to take a while.

especially with the ATMs that had multi-currencies in them like fives and tens and 20s like Wells Fargo is like one of the biggest ATMs we worked for because we would go when each each Wells Fargo took that I think it was close I think it was every time we replenished it I think it was close to $250,000 in an ATM yes that's including that's included hundreds 20s or hundreds 50s 20s and tens yeah I don't think they used fives But I could be mistaken, though. So, you know, when we had these little cassettes that we'd take out of the ATM and take them back to the truck, take the money, take the old money out, put them in the bag, scan it. Because we'd print out receipts for everything, so we know how much is in the bag.

And, of course, the driver's watching you at all times whenever he got, he's, he tries to position the truck closest as he can from door to door. Even if it's taken up handicapped spots, they would do that. that even though one of our guys got a ticket for that one time, which is crazy, though, but anyways, that's a different kind of story. But we replaced the ATMs, and yeah, about $2,000 dollars worth, we'd go into those ATMs. And then as I go back in the truck, onto the next one. And sometimes we'd have, like, four or five ATMs to replenish. And I think the biggest, like, haul that I had in the morning taking off,

thing I was sitting on about, I want to say close to 1.5 mil. That's that you picked up all together. That's what I started out within the day. That's what I had to deliver and replenish also. Because my much would take a lot of money. The own depot would get a lot of money. So we had all these drop-offs. And also there's one picture I sent you of the big one.

They have a bunch of ones we took off to the strip club. And that was, I think, I believe that was $100,000 worth. He built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million, because $50 million wasn't enough, and $60 million seemed excessive. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon.

I took pride in that job, man, but over time it was getting too stressful and, you know, as far as, you know, Christmas coming around the corner, uh, bills are piling up and, uh, they were treating us correctly because we were getting paid as much as a regular cook was getting paid at the time. I'm not, I'm not dogging on cooks or anything, but I could have gone, but I love food, so I could have gone, but he could have paid the same as I was paid the, uh, it'd be the carrier. Uh, it was, it was like, I think like, six.

1525 or something like that an hour, which is ridiculous now that I think about it. How long did you work there? Close to a year. Started around my birthday. I actually got it written down right here. Oh, yeah, I started on my birthday. That's what I just started on my birthday. That's one thing I remember to try to remember about it.

It's like, even though I forget about it. Yeah. Around the time of my birthday, I'm going to say it was my birthday, but, you know, around March 5th of 21 okay and then I worked with them all through the year through the summer learned how everything went this got repetitive after a while then we got to a point to where when I was sitting in the back of the truck you can see my leg propped off of one of those pictures that I was just looking at it one morning you know it's just making me sick to my stomach was looking at just looking at it because as you know because people get their heads chopped off

of that for that paper yeah if you think about it that way it was just crazy but then i had to go back well you got a job to do and i'd get back in that motion be like all right let's let's get this day done with so i got to that point where i was like man i'm getting tired did i mean did you ever hear about you know money just showing up missing or um not really if i'd never really bothered to ask around there's i've heard some things but always been that kind of guy that's kept to myself and like i'm the more like the guy that sits in the bag of the room and watches and listen to everyone else but with that job i just wanted to get my job done and go home.

Even with the truck driver, you know, I was like, we would get a new driver. Like, if I'm an ass, if I'm come off as an asshole or something, they'll take it personally. You know, that's what I'd be telling him through the pain glass window. And he's like, no, it's all good. The next day, he's not even showing up. That's how stressful was getting.

And at the end of the day, I apologize to him, but I'm like, man, I'm sorry if I came off as an asshole and stuff like that. You know, it's just a whole bunch of numbers and stuff. And then people just, after a while, I don't know, it got to me the most. I think it's just because I was working so much and, you know, I'm pretty sure I could have got paid way better than I was.

Well, so, well, what do you guys make? It was, I started off at 15 an hour, but by the time I was getting, by the time I left, it was 16, 50 an hour. And do you get more than 40 hours a week? Oh, most definitely. I would clear at least close to 1,200 every two weeks. So, okay, so I'm saying 40 hours a week, do you work more than 40 hours a week?

Most definitely, I at least, I hit 40 hours by my, I want to say by my third and a half day, fourth day on, I might, I work at what? 16, 60, 70 hours a week? Yes. pretty much, at the very minimum, about 58 hours at the minimum. I was just saying, because the guy that I had talked to was that I wrote the story about, like he was telling me about money just showing up, you know, missing. Like guys would, they would scan the bags as they come in. Like, you know, they give you the, the, you pick up the deposits.

And you scan the bag. He's like, he's like, you have a scanner. You have a little device. You scan it in. And he said, you know, they didn't. at the end of the day you come back and you give them you scan like here's what i've got they then scan them in he said every once while somebody would show up and there'd be one missing i was like that's that's where i kind of had a problem with that story because it goes back to

like how sophisticated the trucks are um and also and this is probably 10 years 10 or more years ago when his his thing happened okay 10 years okay then the mod they don't already not have the most sophisticated cameras i could see that happen back then but when I was there there's no way that possible that's only to get away with that now but as far as money coming up missing no not really um which comes to uh you know here in town we have brinks uh they got they got robbed and actually that just looked like a setup all in one you know it's just no one's gonna know like you know hey let's go rob this brinks dude you know he's armed him by himself.

And plus, like, the way that was on camera and everything, it just looked totally funny. If you look up the town, I'll tell you the town later and look up rings, oh, you'll find the video. But I don't think that guy was ever caught. So what happened? I mean, you don't work here anymore. Right. So basically, after a while, it's just getting too overwhelming for me.

And then we started working with these, during my time, it was like six months in. We started working with these Bitcoin machines that they have at convenience stores. And it basically turns your cash into cryptocurrency. You can send it to your wallet or you send it to other people. And it's also basically a way to wash, or I guess, yeah, washer money, I guess they call it. Basically turn in, you know, drug wanting it to. Yeah, money laundering. Like, laundry your cash in their crypto,

or your crypto into cash, right? So pretty much. And, you know, over times, especially down, down, going down south, there's a lot of them. And it's something you don't really notice, like if you're going to a convenience store, unless you're actually looking for it. And so we started working with them,

and then we're going through the, I guess it's something that just barely started happening. So they'd give us an information on our little scanner and say, you know, give us the pass code for that, for that ATM. So we go and put the pass code in, open it up. Well, first it shows the screen how much is in there, and then if there's anything in there, you open it up, clear it, or you clear it, then open it up, take whatever's out of there and put it in one of those bags as like I was talking about.

Scan it in. On the little, I was just scan it in. You put in the amount on your little palm. It was like a, like a zebra, one of those zebra scanners that you'd probably see someone have at Walmart. You scan it and then put the how much was in there and then just throw it in the truck, roll out. Yeah, that's what we started working with a lot. And like I said, 90% of the time there'd be nothing in them. So I wasn't too sure who was the boss or who was the supervisor for all those ATMs.

I try to look it up and see who manages them all, but I couldn't find anything about them. So probably, I don't know if they still do this. There used to be a business opportunity scam where you could buy ATM machines. they can you can buy ATM machines as far as like let's say there's some game rooms here they buy them from

I forgot who they buy them from but you can buy regular ATMs but as far as buying Bitcoin machine ATMs I don't know anything about that I never heard about buy Bitcoin machines I don't know there was one where you could basically you buy them and you could find you could go put them in

convenience stores in different places and load them and you know you charge whatever, $3.50 for every transaction or whatever it was. Well, yeah, right. I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not too sure if you could buy it from, but I've heard of people buying them, buy an ATM and then just putting their own cash in there. I'm not too sure how all that works either. I'm pretty sure there's some extent of background checking going through that to be able to be able to buy an ATM in the first place. Well, I mean, they really just, yeah, I hear you. I don't know. I don't know. This was a, it was a,

It was a business, I knew a guy that was selling the machines, like they would sell the machines, and they load them with their own cash, and then they tie them into, you know, whatever, however many banks or whatever, and then, you know, you go there and you punch in your PIN number, and you get the cash, and then they take the cash from your, your bank account, and they charge you a fee. So, but they were tiny little machines. They're little, they weren't big, massive ATM machines that were, that were, that were. you know in in a wall or or something these were a little tiny machine that you could probably put on the dolly and roll out with yeah exactly like they bolt them to the ground but I mean you know honestly I probably take a crowbar and yank them out of the concrete but most of the time too especially when we go open them at convenience stores part of the ones you'd see like uh would y'all have y'all have the uh the wawa there in florida yeah like the ones they

have the ones they're pretty sure those we'll probably have the same ones and um yeah as far as selling those. I don't know how you'd be able to sell those, but I never heard of that scam before. I'm going to have to look into that one. Well, I mean, it sounds interesting, though. The, the cryptocurrency ones, like, I can't imagine, like, are those ones that are owned by Bank of America or, you know, like, what are they? I've never even heard of those. See, I've, as far as you guys is just good as mine. That's the thing. I never knew who owned those or who would get the money, you know, like, because it's so hush, hush, I guess. Plus, we just barely started working with them.

So, you know, we go replenish ATM at a convenience to 7-Eleven. Well, on top of that 7-Eleven or on top of that ATM, it says, Happy State Bank or America State Bank. Of course, we know where that ATM and that money's coming from. Right. But on Bitcoin, they never said it didn't have no, like, sponsors. It didn't have nothing saying, like, who the money, who is copyrighted by maybe or trademarks or anything like that.

It didn't have anything, even on the ATM itself. It just said Bitcoin. Bitcoin is something, though, but, you know, it's, it didn't say with partnership, but so-and-so, nothing like that. Right. Even on the main screen. So it's kind of weird. So, what happened?

Well, all right. So I went into the store one day to check one of them, and this lady, she was, asked me about it. She was like, you think you give my money back? I was like, I just got scammed. for $5,000, you know, because apparently she sent it to someone for some care package or one or another. I was like, yeah, I have no control of that. And during this whole time, I'm talking there, I'm like opening the machine and taking her money out that she just put in

there a couple hours before. I'm like, felt so bad about that. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, you know, it's, yeah, there are scams that go around. It's like, I gave her my contact number to the, to my job. And I was like, you want to try to contact Bitcoin, even though I don't know who you would get in contact with from Bitcoin like this doesn't have no phone number on it or anything I was like I don't know how it goes about that and so she's just like real depressed about that I mean I'd be upset too if I just got a scan for $5,000 and it's right there in front of me you know or it's even though like she could have took out a gun and shot me in head and took out of the other thing I had like there's people that kill for less than that

and so I kind of thought about that and then after a while I was just thinking about you know Who keeps track this? You know, I was doing the thing, you know, this bank controls this money, you know, I pick up this money from other businesses. They know what they're giving me. So I got to scan them in. But who really, no one's there to monitor this ATM and to monitor me. Only thing that's really watching me are the cameras inside the convenience store itself.

And most of these convenience stores, they would have like fake cameras, dummy cameras, as I call them. and they just have like these blinking red lights and that's how you can know they're their dummy camera they look like those black don't ones you'd probably seen right uh i could spot fake ones from a mile away uh i used to install them in a previous job but that was a few years ago but uh the dummy ones they'd have they'd have like a blink blink in red light and so i always knew if they were fake or not and so i was starting to start thinking i was like man just need to you know planned it out because we'd get like four or five of those in a route a day and like i said 90% of the time there's nothing in there if there is something there's there's nothing more than a hundred

dollars so i was like you know i'm not going to rush anything to see what happens and if when the day happens you know that'll happen sure enough that day didn't it didn't it didn't take long for that day to come it was around christmas time and i just took my chance and you know went to go check out see how much was in there and there was 10,000 in there and so I was like yeah this is my time so I tell you I did well when I go check those ATMs I wouldn't have to they tell us to carry a bag with us all the time I don't know for what reason though pretty sure it's a safety reason but I would never carry one in just to check the ATM because I knew if I was coming out with something it would be small to put in my fast that I wore so I always keep spare bags in there also it's just a case so I never take anything with me so I went in there checked it looked around spotted with fake cameras because all the time i started i started looking out where the cameras were and like just studying basically every where every convenience store i went into so i went in there and checked it out it said that it said 10 000 in there usd uh open it up

to the cassette out and right there on the floor i you know was just opened up the bag put the cash in there but i never scanned it in and uh once you close ATM and clear it uh it doesn't print off no receipts or anything like that so let's put it back you put it back in my vest. It looked like I just checked the cassette to see if anything was in there. Basically, just put the cassette back in. I closed it up, left. So just went out through the day and the whole day, I'm just like, this is like maybe 10 in the morning. So the whole day, I'm just sitting there right on my chest. Like, there's like, I was like, man, there's like, there's like 10 racks right here. There's like, man, that's our owner I'm

to do with it. It's like all these other things I was thinking about doing with it. And then And on the way back, at the end of the day, I was heading back, and I was just sitting there. I was like, man, I'll probably go to prison. I'm probably going to go to prisons for this. And because I said, no, there's no backing out now because there's cameras in front of me. There's cameras all around me. There's no going to your car before you go on aside when we get there. And we were always the last ones there's because we were out of town, the far side of town.

I was like, yeah, they're going to, you know, they seem to go to my car. Like, they're not going to appreciate that at all. they're going to want to know hey what you go out to your car and like i said this is like i mean a couple days before christmas so uh yeah i just went home took it out well i went to my girlfriend's house and showed her what was that i just told her i got some kind of bonus or whatever she was from maceka so this she didn't speak that good in english so she just thought i got some kind of bonus i don't know how all that worked out or really i remember all that it was basically like a big haze to me now so uh yeah just sat on it for a couple of

weeks man I mean yeah I well I got sick they didn't notice well I'm pretty sure at the time they check everything because before by the around the time I got that and by the time I came back to work I was asked they were like have you been checking at ATMs like make sure there's anything in there I'm like yeah I'm make sure to check them all uh you know it's like there's I just like most of the time because if they tell us to check them even though if it says $0 on the screen to show how much is in there. You see, check it anyway.

So I'll tell him, yeah, I'll check it every time. You know, I played it off real good. And then I got sick around that time after Christmas. I got, I had the flu. And then I got the COVID shot January 1st, 2022. And the COVID shot I got apparently, it was like the one that kills people, whatever. It was the Johnson shot. So I got, it messed me up for like, it was like,

a good week and a half. It messed me up pretty good. And then after that, after I got that pain went away. Then I got COVID, like at the very end. I was like, man, that would happen to me. So you got COVID. And then I got over that. That took a month and a half. On the end of that, on the end of that, that's when I came back to work. And between that time, we went to Miami. So she'd get her breast done. You're wrong now. Yes, at the time and paid for all that. that and everything and talking about like every all the plane tickets the ubers the food and all that and so it was pretty it's pretty good experience for me especially me never gone up into for and also like that humidity are oh now forget that you can't do that humidity again but

i was that came back um worked for about a week on my second week back uh they took me to the office Well, they told me to, they were like, hey, just hold off the manager wants to talk to you, the supervisor, the brand supervisor of the building. And they were like, yeah, they show me this video of me not wearing my seatbelt or something like that, which I've done almost like every day. It was policy to wear your seatbelt at all times when the truck's moving. Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world I don't typically commit crime But when I do, it's bank fraud

Stay greedy, my friends Support the channel Join Matthew Cox's Patreon I would hardly wear my seatbelt And then they told me to come in They showed me a video being not wearing He's like, he wants to talk to you about this I'm like, all right

I was like, you know, just like me I'm wearing my seatbelt a video of it I'm like, yeah there's something else going on here here. And so I'll wait for like another hour. Everyone else already left. So I'm just sitting there by myself and the bay. You can hear the change machine in the background because they're always just constantly running change and people that go to coin stars and turn their change in. We collect all that too. So you just hearing the background, I'm just in there and I was like, probably going to go to prison. I was just, you know, I was thinking to texting my mom and everyone,

you know, hey, if y'all don't hear from me, you know, because there's no way. If that was happen. There's no way I could call anyone and tell them what happened. Why? I couldn't tell them from jail. You know, just because, hey, I'm in jail. I'd have to tell them before, you know. Yeah. And they'd be recording you anyway. If you were trying to talk to them on jail phone, you wouldn't be a good idea to say, hey, I swiped 10 grand. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I wonder what I should do because by this time, I already spent most of it. Maybe I had about maybe like 2,000 or 3,000 left to sit on that

so I couldn't I was just in there like, you know I'm just not going to say anything you know like I've always done before in the past you know when I got in trouble because not out of 10 times they're bluffing if they say they got

they say this and this and this and as much as I knew I know they haven't been to every store that I've worked in especially with these new machines so I was like Yeah, I was, I was gonna, you don't play along with it. I'm gonna act like, I don't know, and just not say anything. So I just got taken to the back, they're like, do you know in this day or this day, you know, what, what might have happened at this ATM be like, like, I don't recall, you know, I used to hear a lot of cops say that when they're in the court.

Like, I don't, I don't recall, you know, so that's basically saying, you know, you know, you know, but you don't know pretty much. Like, you know damn well what happened, but you just don't want to admit it. Right. I don't recall. I just kept saying that, and then the guy that was, that guy was talking to me, he used to be a, he used to be some detective for a homeland, not a homeland security, but, um, probably is that homeless security of people that work at the airports? Uh, uh, no, TSA, uh, uh, what is it, um, TSA? TSA. Well, he's some investigator for them. Um, I guess they'd go into interview people that try to smuggling, uh, drugs or money or whatever.

Right. He used to do that in Miami, out of all places, because he had this real thick Cuban accent. And that's where he started out as, and how ironic that is. But he came up here to work here in West Texas, and he was interviewed me. He's like, he just looked at me, you know, he's like, he was just him in the room. I didn't have my gun on me. He took it off me and everything. You know, I wasn't going to come off of threatening or anything.

I just sat there like, pretty much how he now. just looking at him kind of got a bit of a lot of smirk on my face not really but i was kind of nervous so that's how uh hot it is that you know i was i'll just kind of like smirk to myself or whatever it looks like i'm smirking or laughing but i'm really not and so he's like he's like he's like justin i know what you did you know he's like so you got i didn't wear my seatbelt yeah well yeah that too and that was like the third thing too he's like he's like and you never wear your seatbelt also and i'm like yeah forget that seatbelt always chafing me and cut me in my neck and all that it's like all this money can't buy new seatbelts

and like they'd be all frizzy and stuff so they got cutting in your neck i'd put like a like one of those seatbelt covers right there it's it was ridiculous all the money they got they can afford those and the seats too were comfortable as hell it's like riding on a horse all day uh so basically it's got me an ultimatum you know i wanted to stay that's fine but if what they'd get rid of me eventually and it'd be in the back and that it'd be me leaving in the back of a cop car we didn't say that but he said we don't make sure i forgot what he said exactly but those are along the lines of it had to still remain professionally either way uh so as i are i resigned you know took on my vest they escorted me out and by around this time i didn't have a i didn't

have my ride it was in the shop so as they stripped me of everything i had even my clothes so i was like standing there it was so cold i remember it was like 40 degrees that morning and I'm sitting there outside with my I'm sitting there in tanny shoes uh my shorts uh I had some shorts that I brought with me because I was I've changed them out at the end of the day because my pants would get too sweaty and whatever so I put on my shorts and my I had a tank top underneath there's kind of like a tight under armor shirt and I'm sitting out there a 40 degree weathered no jacket or nothing because we had to give us luma's jacket so they took that away I'm standing there like freezing balls like

with the wind blowing i'm just like man i think i just dodged a bull or other so she starts talking about robin bank and why she wants to and how she thinks it should be done and um you know one of our dealers had done a lot of time and um she was like asking him about it you know i'm like you can do something like that you really shouldn't talk to anybody about it right um but it was something he like they almost seemed like they were enjoying like the fantasy talking about how to do it and you know um it was just going on and on and on and it wasn't just like whenever we'd go over to our dealer's house it was like with me and she'd rant and rant and rant and i was you know i i was running out of ideas to get dope you know um it was getting hard

really hard and i was like finally like would you just put up or shut up about this like are you going to do it or not. I mean, I need to get well. You need to get well. What are we going to do? I don't have any options right now. And you don't seem to have any either. Like, this is, this is the thing. This has been your plan. So put up or shut up. I wish I'd never done that. Maybe nothing ever would have happened. I don't know. But because of that, I, well, I don't know if it was because of that, but after that, I should say, is when we tried our first armed robbery. She had me pull up behind a store and she took her little plastic shopping bag and her ski mask and gone and went into the store it was like this wasn't a bank no it was a store

why just to get her feet that i guess i don't know baby steps baby steps yeah well there is a reason why we never did rob a bank but i'll tell you that in a second anyway she goes in there tells them to put the money in the bag the guy throws the bag back in her face and says get the fuck out of my store and that's not a good sign right and Simon comes running out jumps in the car go go go I go and I'm like what happened she tells me I'm like yeah so do you see can you see now that we are not these people like you have Suboxin let's go to my trailer and just take the take the 24 hour hit where you have to wait 24 hours before you can take it so you get a little sick. Like, let's just do it. Let's just kick, you know, because that's what's driving this.

We don't have, we are not these people. We don't have to do this. And, uh, Simon was like, well, just a minute. And she calls another dealer that we go to and sells the gun to the dealer for drugs. So that's how we got well that day. And we didn't, of course, I'm not going to say no. I'm totally addicted. I was like, yeah, you got some good. Let's do it. Um, And it was enough to last us for a few days. She left me with a little to stay well and went back home. She came back a few days later, new gun. Dad's gun this time?

One of the many. I mean, they were all basically his. He paid for them all day, but they were registered in all kinds of different names. and you know obviously his wife had one of her own i don't know how many she has of her own but there were several handguns things that they were just hidden all over the house so which when you have when you knowingly have a drug addict living in your house and you leave your guns unlocked and available there should be a penalty for that you know but anyway they did uh keep she was able to access another one came back and she was like no i want to try again like are you real really

like i know i can do it i know i can do it uh and so we did that other guy was unreasonable we right a reasonable victim well you know you're this willing to you know that guy probably owned the store yeah you got to get in a probably yeah so you know we we do our first i think it was a Baskin-Robbins, and it was right before they closed. And, you know, made off with like under $300, but it was enough to keep us well for a few days. And, you know, unbeknownst to Simon, I'm like hustling in other ways to get more drugs, because at this point, I require a lot to stay numb. I didn't want to just stay well.

I wanted to stay out of it, oblivious. so we do it again and then when the drugs run out she sells the gun to another drug dealer and then goes home and this pattern repeats over and over over a six-week period about eight times nine times um never a thing though because we could not wake up early enough to rob a week you're getting it you so you're getting a gun gun she's getting a gun robbing a store you're driving the getaway car she sells the gun or trades it for drugs and then a couple days later you guys need money she grabs another gun yeah there were multiple multiple guns i don't think she i don't think she sold every single one of

them immediately after one robbery like i mean obviously this is a little bit of a fuzzy area for me but I do think that there were a couple of times where she hung around longer and committed more robberies with the same gun. So as much as I can remember, there were four, maybe, definitely four, but maybe five even that ended up going into the ether, which bothered me. I was like, really shouldn't be doing that. You know, those guns are associated to your family. And if they start showing up in, you know, in crimes, that's going to be a whole other, you know, problem.

I was like, I don't think you should be doing that. And basically, I wasn't invited to have an opinion at this point in our knowing each other. So I was just to do what she told me, you know. So are all the robberies going better than the first robbery? Yeah. So now she's got it. She's got a M.O. at this point, right? She chooses younger cashiers in smaller places.

She'll go and act like she's going to make a purchase. And then when they open the till, she pulls out, produces the gun and says put all the money in the back. But she was also in disguise a lot of times. She wore multiple coats to make her look bigger. She was already like five, nine, five, ten. So she was pretty large. There's all this kind of this, you know, trying to confuse reports of the description, basically. Some people reported as male, some people reported them as female in a male disguise, so on and so forth.

So on the last day, I think it was like January. January? No, it was January 1st or December 30th. It was when the last robbery happened. I can't remember exactly. I'd have to look. But we had gone, you know, to a fast food joint. It's not like a small one. It wasn't a chain or anything. But Simon goes in, gets the money, comes out, we flee, counts up the money, and it's not even a hundred bucks. like not enough to say well. And so she's like, we need to do another lick. I'm like, um, where you want me to go? You know, like I couldn't say no. Yeah. Because that's just, at this point, the dynamic is I do what Simon tells me to do.

And I'm scared shitless every other way without her. And, you know, I was, I was trapped. I felt trapped. You're also on this, on this, this pattern. I mean, you're, you're on this train at this point. Getting off the train doesn't change much. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, you're robbing the bank.

I mean, you know, you're the get, being the getaway driver in the eyes of the law, you might as well be going in with the gun. I got exact same charges that she had gotten. Right. But, you know, as far as where she directed me to go, I, in my mind was like, this is not a good idea, but I couldn't say anything because it was less than a mile from where we had just rocked. And her thinking was all the cops are going to be over there so we can get away with doing it just over here. And it was some place that she had decided while ago that she wanted to rob dollar store.

I didn't know why. But she had me park around the corner. And I was facing the street that the store was on. And she hops out of the car and turned it off. She goes around the corner. not even a full minute, I think, maybe a minute, went by, and I see a police cruiser going down in the direction on that cross street, in the direction that Simon had gone. And part of me was saying, you need to leave.

You need to leave right now. And then the other part of me is like, oh, you're going to just leave Simon to get caught. And, yeah, I can't do that. I can't just leave her. however i do believe she would have left me in a fucking hot second but uh not even another minute goes by and here comes simon trucking around the corner with a cop hot on her hills start the car start the car she runs around jumps in the passenger seat and i see a hole i mean i've started the car but i see a hole appear in my my windshield before i even registered that i'd heard a gunshot this hole appeared

and then a second gunshot and I'm like I like lay it down over the jockey box I don't know what I did to like the car ended up turning off somehow I knocked it into neutral but I had to lay down like as flat as I could get

and I had my head behind the passenger seat because I still had my fucking seatbelt on so I'm strapped to this car and this cop is laying you know shot after shot after shot like he was 20 feet from the driver's side of the car car and all of the shots were coming at me um unbeknownst to me simon had jumped back out and was

hiding behind my car so basically i'm caught you know between his shooting and her potentially shooting and i'm just screaming please stop stop stop stop like all the flack on the that hit my arm that all the stuff on the inside of the door you know the car door was all exploding as the bullets were hitting it and just, I mean, my arm was black from bruises from not. Well, did I, I'm going to, did I miss something like Simon went into the store? She went to go go into the store. Oh, the cop that passed by saw her. Oh, he turned around and came back and you didn't see him come back? No, she was around the corner. So it's kind of hard without a dog. I'm sitting on a side street and I'm about three car lines.

in the side street from the cross street that's where i was waiting for simon simon went around around the corner to the north and that would take her past a backyard a burger joint and then the dollar store was right next to that okay she was in the parking lot of the dollar store the cops saw her walking going walking into the store pulled out or pulled in got out and was like let me let me see some ID and see I thought he kept you mean when you explain it you said you saw him drive by like I thought he just kept going maybe I struggle this is why I struggle with telling the story because there's so much of it it's hard to make sure that I'm covering all of the vital details right I'll I'll do that while I'm talking I'll be like oh did I tell

him that? No, wait. Because all of it kind of leads one thing into the next. Right. You know what I'm the same? So he whipped around, stopped his car, said, give me your ID. And she just took off. And he got out of his car in the parking lot and said, like, I need your ID.

And you see your hands, whatever, takes off running. He leaves his cruiser and chases her on foot. Okay. Right. So they both come around the corner on foot. And, you know, she jumps into the car and he just starts shooting now in the police report he says she fired first but i know that's not true right his gunshot wasn't right next to my ear for a shot to go through

the windshield she would have been right next to me like i wouldn't be very aware of that gunshot right i saw the hole appear before i registered i had heard a gunshot and he never stopped shooting just one after another after another like I think he went through 17 rounds which is a clip and then some right like did he reload or I don't know I think there's some total yeah you're right I think a couple of clip and one in the chamber would be 16 but there were 17 shots actually he must have emptied his clip because I think one one of the shots was simons at some point Simon did fire her weapon and that's what allowed us to escape. Like all of a sudden, shooting stops. Simon's pulling at me. He's here, are you okay?

We got to get out. Are you okay? Are you okay? Like, start the car. Let's go. My car's riddled with bullet holes. I'm trying to start up and trying to start it. It won't start. I don't know what's wrong with it.

I didn't realize I had knocked it into neutral. So, of course, it's not going to start. And then I start smelling gas. I'm like, it's flooded. You know, inexplicably, this cop is nowhere to be seen. I don't know where he went. I'm like, we have to run. we have to leave the car so we get out and we go running down the street and we see uh several houses

down a little minivan pulling into a garage and they leave the garage door open as we're running we run into the garage we jump into that vehicle i'm looking around seeing if i can find keys anything Simon's like ripped off her fake mustache and dropped it in the garage whatever and we were in the car just a few seconds and another car pulled up behind us in the driveway. I guess the mother and the son had been in the minivan and the father and the daughter were in the other car. So Simon jumps out, jumps into the front passenger seat and was like, you're going to help us. And he's like, nope, get out of my car. Get on my car. Get on my car. I come around his side and I'm like, so I'm really sorry, but we're going to take your car. I'm really sorry. But yeah, we need your help. I'm not helping

you guys get out in my car. I'm like, sir, we do have a gun. The most polite carjacking in the history of carjacking. I'm sure. I'm just like, I'm so sorry. You will get your car back, but we need to take it. You know, we're going to take it. And I open up the back door and tell the little girl, I couldn't get out of the car, honey. She gets out. I open his door. He gets out. Um, buckle up. I look around and make sure I know what I'm doing, how to operate this vehicle. and then we just drive away calmly. He goes inside, calls the police. Sure, he did.

Yeah. It took a little bit of time for them to put together that we must have been the ones that carjacked the car. Right. But that night, like, Simon was down on the floor of the car. I'm like, just stay down there. We're going to be fine. We're going to be fine.

I'm like going around to the freeway, get stopped at a light. there's a cop on the other side. I'm like, just bite a cigarette, trying to be as casual as possible, hoping he doesn't flip around and come after us. And he didn't. So we were able to escape that night. And that led to the next four days,

which were our last four days. What did you do with the car? We just left it behind an apartment building a few blocks from a friend's house that we were hiding out at it. She was another drug addict, and we just gave her drugs, and she let us be there. She didn't care, about anything else that was happening.

She didn't ask, she didn't care. So at first, when we got back, like the next morning, Simon's like, I need to go home, I need to go home, like, you're not leaving me now. I have no car. Do the police have my car? And you're not leaving me now. There's no way.

I won't let you. You know, basically. And so she stayed and, you know, she had her truck. We didn't do any more robberies, but we did, we came close. She almost robbed a drug dealer and then chickened out. So the police have your car. They know it's your car. They've tracked the registry.

Did they get to your, go to your ex-husbands? Yes, they contacted. I had out-of-state plates. The car was registered to my mother. She had given me the car. So they called her first. And then they called my ex-husband. I called my sister, my twin sister.

They were looking for me. And that's how they found. That's how they got Simon's name. Or like if you're looking for Sandra, she's going to be with this person. So you're looking for them both. So they go to her house, talk to her. Parents, I'm sure. I mean, was this on the news?

It was on the news. All the robberies on the news. Yeah. The shootout was on the news. All the robberies had been on the news. And then after this happened, they really started putting them all together and saying, oh, this is a crime spree. Right. We're looking for this woman, like me, had my picture from the DMV, everything.

Your picture. Her picture. Uh-huh. Probably. There's two of them. They're together. Yeah. So the first reports, they didn't have her name yet.

They weren't sure if it was a male or a female. It was after they spoke with my family. I think it was my twin that said, you know, Simon is the love of her life and she does everything by Simon's bidding. And, you know, she, I guarantee you that she is with her right now. And she says this on the news and it was put out on the news. Simon had told me she would rather die

than have her parents know that she was gay and I think she saw that police report the night before she died she got up the morning that it happened and she was out of suboxin

so we needed to kick, we knew it so she was going to go to the pharmacy to get a prescription field she made it to the pharmacy, but police had already located her truck that was just a little ways away from where we were staying. And they put a tracker on it. So when it moved, they knew she was on the move. She woke up that morning and she was going to go to the pharmacy. I'm like, oh, I'll come with you. She's like, no, no, stay here. Stay here. I'll be back. I'm like,

be careful. And she left. She drove to the C.C. can park in the parking lot even at the store. She parked a little ways away, went to the store, got this a box in, and when she was coming back to her car, she gets into her car and then immediately is surrounded by police or truck.

They get out and they surround the vehicle. And you know, what I know of what happened that day is only like what I saw in the police reports and what I've seen in news reports since I got out because I didn't see any of that until I was released.

But in the police report, it said that an officer standing behind her vehicle shot her because she said he looked, she turned and looked me dead in the eye and put it in reverse and floored it. And so for all those years, I was in prison, I was like, that sounds like something she would do. I'm not surprised that's something she would do. and it was when I was looking it up after I got out and I saw a picture of the scene

and she had cars close on both sides of her. There's no way she was going to floor it and reverse it into anybody. They executed her, but she didn't immediately give up. And that was within a half an hour of her leaving that morning.