Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Miami Pickpocket Makes Millions Trap Queens

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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each compartment. Wherever was an open spot for me, I'm still in the out of there. What is she doing? She was a housekeeper because during that time, that was like the 60s. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you're working $7, $8 a day and you're not getting everything that you want. So I got a couple of friends that, you know, their parents was doing pretty good.

You know what I'm saying? So they had shit, you know what I'm saying? So I'm realizing, damn, you ain't, you know what I'm saying? You really ain't got shit, but my mama considered something. It wasn't shit to me. You know what I'm saying? So we're supposed to be happy with the hand me downs. How old were you at this point?

I'm probably seven, seven, eight, going on eight years old. When I started stealing going with my mom, then I go with my grandmama, still out of those houses. I'm stealing everything. I don't, only change I leave is the penis. I never steal the penis, okay? Are these people noticing anything? Are they saying anything to your mom? Like, hey, we had $60 in the in the ashtray.

And you know what? That's funny because I'm realizing how I was doing it because I never took every fucking thing. So what you call that is that's early onset fucking peeling. That's what you call peeling. You don't take all the money for a person to see that they're missing money. You know what I'm saying? Like I say, I leave the penit. But these rich people, they got money.

So why would they want to, they worried about that little shit? You know what I'm saying? So I'm still in underwear. Even if they was dirty, not shitty dirty, but dirty dog. Dirty paddies and shit because they was pretty, you know, silk, you know, you know, I post got money over there. So I'm up in there and I'm just taking my time. I'm going through the shit.

I'm going through the drawers. I'm going through everything in the house. And I'm, you know. Well, this stuff is showing up at your mom's house at some point. She's noticing. I'm hiding. Where? I'm hiding.

And then during that time, my mom just not really paying attention because she was hard back then. So she had enough plate, enough on her plate worried about my daddy. You know what I'm saying? So she couldn't worry about other, mind of shit. I would have to worry about my sister and them, not my mom. So I always had to make sure that I got shit for my sister them, too. What's your dad doing?

My dad is working. And then when he's, then my dad, after he's working, he coming home. If he come home late, then we know he'd get ready to come home and fight my mama. Okay. What does he do for a living? Well, at the time my dad was doing, he was a work as a service for dry cleaning. Okay. And then he started driving the trucks later on.

And you're saying if he came home late, what does he do? Go by the bar? He'd been away by the bar, got drunk. and then he'll come home. And if he's drinking, you know you're coming on. We're going to fight. So it's going to be we're going to run out the house. You're going to beat my mama up or some shit, you know.

So I had to deal with all that shit mentally growing up as a kid. And that shit traumatized me. But it made me a strong woman, you know, as I grew older. How long does this go on? Like, I mean, do they stay together the whole time? My mom and daddy stayed together to death they parted. To death they part of my mom. dad stayed together.

I don't know how she did it, but he really, him unintentionally, through him, the trauma that I got, him, I think what it was the best for me because he made me the strongest woman that I am. Unintentionally, you know what I'm saying? Traumatizing me like that just made me a stronger woman, that's all. So at what point do you stay in the house? Do you go to high school? You know, I go to school. I go to school. I got to go to school. You know what I saying?

Because my mom, I'm going to make sure I go to school. So I go to school. And actually, I'm a smart kid. I just stopped being devilish and start stealing shit from the teachers, getting some classmates to teach them how to go and steal a little something. You know what I'm saying? And then we go and get the cars. Like, well, my friend, have a car in junior high, and we go. I take them shopping and I'm going stealing. I started stealing. So you're like, what do they call it? Boosting clothes? Yeah. Is that where you're, yeah.

This is before they have the little teat, teat, teat, tit. The little things, right? I'm probably the reason why they got them little teek, teak, the buzzers, because I used to take it like that. And I know I did because the reason why they got the buzzers on the stores when you come in now is probably from us back in the 70s. It's not no new jack shit. This we did this shit back in the 70s. And you're still, you're still living in Miami?

I'm in Hollandale. Okay. Beach. Yeah. How do you end up, do you ever get in trouble? Do you ever get caught? Like, do you go to jail? Like you, when I was young, yeah, I went to jail.

I started like, when I was like 14 years old, I went to jail. My friend and I, we put a mom wigs on right. So we looking like grown because I always looked at older. And then I'm always, I was always, mature for my age, big girl, you know what I'm saying? So she got caught in Zeres. And when they got her, she called me. And she called, she told them, she got some too, so that made them get me, right?

So we sitting there with fucking wigs on, 14 years old, with some damn Dinah Ross wigs on and shit. And her mama came and got her from the store. but my mama made the police take me to the police station, and I was 14 years old. Okay, wait, your mother made them take you to the police station? Yeah, because she wouldn't come up to the store and get me. Oh, she wanted you to learn a lesson?

Yes, she was teaching me a lesson, but that was not a good lesson. Because I wasn't scared from that point on. Nothing scared me. And then I started hanging with the older people. I'm starting to hang with the older set, like all the boosters and the the robbers, they were dope things, but they the shop is dope things in the world because they was getting money. You know, you got a little bit of a little bit of a street credit too.

I've been arrested. I've been to jail. I've been, I know how this works. Yeah, I've been to jail. I went to jail a lot, you know, so I started early. Oh, there's so many different instances. One time I was stealing and my sister, not my second-oldess sister, I ain't going to say. Anyway, she went to, I was in.

the store and I was stealing and she I got the people wanted to catch me and she's such a fighter because she could fight she could fight and the security wanted to come and catch me but she wouldn't let him she fought that man and I wanted to say please not

whoop that man I had to leave her so I ran across the street to catch the bus and I'm looking over there she's still whooping on the people to the police came I was like and she never been in trouble before and she worked in the bank for all her life. She retired in the bank, but

that was the only time she ever got in trouble and she would never do that shit again. Would they arrested her for, what, just assault? For assault, yeah. But because she was playing, it was basically, she was interference for you to get away. Yeah. So she got an assault. No, she wasn't really, no. Mentally, she wasn't, she, this is just her

instinct, and she a fighter. And so they was trying to come and get me, and I was like, shit, I'm, I can't still with her. All of us don't need to go to jail. And I went and ran across the street to cast a bus. I look over there, across the street and see her over there getting tired up with the police and shit. They didn't see me at that time.

So, all right, so how long does this go on? What does your mom say? My mom couldn't say anything. She tried to love on me as best as she could because it was nothing to stop where my mindset was at that time. I was already on go. I was on, I was on go from a child, you know. So it started from when I was like five years. I'm starting stealing a little shit.

Then I go to junior high school and I'm starting to steal a bigger shit because now I don't want to steal a little shit. You're getting larger items? I'm getting, yes, more. Yeah, I'm getting more because I'm addicted to the prices too, not just little shit.

I automatically, if you're stealing something, you might as well steal the priceiest one. Why would the fuck, you're going to get caught stealing? You steal the priciest one. So my first objective is always I'm looking for the pricey. So once you grab some, do you come back and get cash for it?

Like, do you come back like I bought this a month ago? No, I started getting customers. I sell shit to people. I have customer people that are buying these things. Some stuff I would give away. I was like a Robin Hood in my, because like my friends and we got some pictures in high school, junior high and all those got on chokers and they remember she said girl you remember you gave me that chokers i remember i stole all those chokas that you put on your neck but you know yeah the stuff

that uh that they will remind me and all of my friends are straight squares all of my friends i mean like they are straight squares until the day we are still friends you know even some of them police office correction office all that shit and they still fuck with me so how long does this go on you graduate high school. I graduated high school. I'm still in, oh, I got to tell you this about this in high school. What I did was, I was on a gymnastic team, right? So in the gym, in the gym, I would, we get undressed and we go to the, go to the floor, right? So in the, in the bathroom for the girls, everybody leave their purses in there. It's only a couple of us black people on the gymnastic team anyway.

I used to be an athletic. I was an athletic. So just came to my mind, I'm going to take this here. I went in and cleaned the fucking locker room out. So what happened was I got everybody, I got some shit that was sentimental value. So after I go in the locker room,

clean it out, get everything. after a few days a week passed by the people missing their shit, right? So the parents are pressing the administration about the shit that's missing, and then they end up telling one of my classmates pressure her

because they remember, well, who opened this door? Because once you get upstairs for the gym and the gymnastics team, the doors are supposed to be closed locked. So they remember seeing one of the girls and one of my classmates, and she, the one told, because I'm the one who opened the door, but I could take all the shit and give it to them to go.

And it was some watches, and it was a sentiment of value. They was present childers, and once they found out that, that was me. My mama said she drove, because she drives a bus for the school, which I didn't ride on her bus, and she said when they pull up, the superintendent, the principal came out and told her, well, she's done it again. So they kicked me out all the schools in Dade County for that year. Then I had to go to Brunswick, Georgia.

What happened to the sentimental watch? I had to give it back. Oh, I didn't know you didn't mention you gave it back. I had to give it back. They was pressing charges on me. You didn't stay with the, it wasn't me? No, I didn't stay with it. It wasn't me because the girl done told on me, right?

You know what I'm saying? So thank God it wasn't no cameras back then. But yeah, she didn't tell her. She told on me that's me because she didn't want to get in trouble. You know, so they told on me and I had. You didn't say, was she a white girl? No, she was a black girl. I was going to say, you could have said, you know,

oh, she's just saying that because I'm like, this racism? Oh, no, no, no. They had me dead to write because I had so much stuff. You know what I mean? Like, so it wasn't even like it was just two people. I mean, I went through everybody's shit, okay? And so I would always, another thing that I did when I was young, I wouldn't steal from black people.

Use my expression. But it was like, it was the thing to do for me in my head. Oh. It's just white people. How long does this go on? Do you get arrested again in high school or do you actually graduate? No, I didn't get arrested after that 14th. After I went to jail, my mom made me stake.

Where do you go to high school now? If they kicked you out of day... I had kicked out of all the schools in Day County, so I ended up going to Bruns and Georgia. Oh, okay. Well, who lives there? My dad's sister lived up in Georgia, and that was probably the worst thing they could have did

because I tore that town up, okay. They're like, we're going to send... Auntie, we're sending you a project here. This chick's a train rat. I tore that town up, boy, I stole every chance I got out of that town. And then what happened, my aunt worked for a holiday end. This video is sponsored by Raycon. If you're looking for a great holiday gift, I've been using Raycon's essential open earbuds.

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God bless her, Tom Lee. I'm sorry. But baby, she took me to work with her at the holiday end. So she had made. So she probably over staff and stuff like that. So I'm supposed to be helping her. But I wasn't doing shit, but sitting in them rooms going. onto them bags. That's all I was doing. I was not, I was like, it's a shame how it came,

how it came to be for me to even have this feeling of, that I've got to get it. Right. You know what I mean? Like I wasn't trying, it was, it just came about it. And so it was something that, it was a challenge. It wasn't even challenged because I, I scared the shit out my cousin and they probably had never seen no shit like that for me coming from Miami. I mean, you know, that's fast. So I'm really fast because I'm faster than these kids. And I'm jumping in the cars with my nephews, I mean, with my cousin, with their friends, and they older. They're trying to get at me.

And the only thing I'm thinking about is some money. So. I mean, the maid thing, like, that's a perfect situation to be in to have access to just everybody's stuff, you know? Yeah. Because I think about that all the time. Like, I'll bring my laptop. And I always put the little do not disturb thing, you know. Yeah, but don't leave your shit out.

Don't never leave it out. I can tell you that much right now. You know, the stuff doesn't change from then. But it can be taken. If you leave your sitting room, but now they got the safes inside so, you know, people could do that now. But back then, it wasn't no safes and all that stuff in the rooms. I would go in there and sit in there and whatever valuable that I wanted to take. And I'm not going to take nothing.

and I'm going to take one of the best parts in it, you know, instead of taking everything or just like cleaning the shit out because you don't want to miss it. I got that perception, that conception at an early age. And that way these people are back. They've flown all the way back to Missouri before they realize. Before they realize that they're missing some shit. And I hadn't started stealing credit cards then, but that came later on. So you do eventually graduate high school and or?

Yes, I did. I did. And I went to the first thing I did was because I'm already hanging around with the best boosters. And, you know, we're going to the Seabo building. We're still in diamond rings. I'm still in whatever possible that I could get. Now, this is doing high school. This is right before I got turned out because what happened was I met a pimp when I was got a.

See, I keep, I got a lot of shit. I've gone through. So before I met the Pimp, I was already hanging with the dope things. Remember I telling you about the dope fiends? But they was rich dope fings because these guys get money. So they liked me because they used to say, she got more hard than a gunslinger.

So they mind me coming and being because I'm ready to do whatever. You know what I'm saying? Right. Anything but fuck for it. So other than that, I'm going to. You know, I got more hard. They said, you got more hard than gunsling. I'll finish sure you.

Because I was about it, you know. And then from that point, then we started doing the checks. So I'm doing checks. And then we got a guy worked for the post office. So I'm like 16 then because that's the first time I got involved with. Secret Service came. I didn't get arrested because I was 16, but they didn't have anything to arrest. They couldn't find anything on me.

But the guy that worked at the post office and another girl, two other people got charged for stealing the bail. Well, the guy worked for the post office, so he used to give us the checks. So it used to be Social Security checks. We go deposit and withdraw. Okay. What are you doing? You're depositing them? I'm depositing the checks in accounts.

and when I get there, so you know you got to look presentable. You got to look good. You can't go in there asking somebody to, okay, I got a $30,000 check, but I got a good deal on a car that I could pay cash for if I could get $7,000, $8,000 right now. And you deposit an arrest. So you got them then because you're leaving a big portion of the check in there and you want to take a portion out.

Right. So then you got to go back. the next day and then you could take more out and the next day. Within three days, you could take money out before it come back. But it probably wouldn't come back as much because those were good Social Security checks. Or there were government issued checks. So it takes a while for them to kind of, I forget what they basically do the, they claw back the money or say, hey, the check's no good. Or it's good, but it wasn't to this person or whatever.

Right, yeah. You know, they get the money back. So how, I mean, that goes on, the secret service showed up? The secret service came to my mom's house and came to. And you live there? And I was at my mom. I was 16. And so the secret service going to tell my mama, they had a check and showing the check.

And my mom said, tell them the truth. And I'm looking at her like, no, it ain't. Because he said, my mom said, tell them the truth. Because they say that my sprint was on there. But I knew I didn't go for that. I knew then not to go for that. You know, so he's, so they didn't, I didn't get arrested, but they arrested the other people. So that, that, that, that got shut down.

They got shut down. They got shut down because they went to jail. All right. So what, at what point do you start taking credit cards? Is that a lot further down the? No, that wasn't too further down, no, because I'm doing, I'm getting whatever is available. So even if I go in the stow to booth, and I see an opening to get the pocketbook, you know, go in a bag.

I'm going to go in the pocketbook, take the wallet out, look in the wallet, pick me something out and go and put it back. If $10, $15, $100 in there, I'm not going to steal that, because that will wake them up. So I don't, I didn't do that. I wouldn't. So once you graduate high school, though, do you go back to Miami or you stay up in? No, no.

I end up graduating from Miami because the next year, because that was like the 10th grade year. when I got back from my senior year is when I came to, and I graduated from high school here. They let me, they kicked me out for a year. Oh, okay. They kicked me out of school for a year for that robbery in the gym. So after the 11th grade year, and I came back to Miami to finish that.

But I had, I was already, I was out there. I was already stealing and just whatever husband. and, you know, what we're doing today? Oh, okay. Well, we're going to go to the seabode building. We're going to steal some diamonds. What we're going to do today? Oh, okay, let's go over here, North Miami Beach.

Let's go and hit some doors, you know. And so that's how it started. So what happened was right before I'm graduating, I went to the pimp ball. That's how I ended up getting turned out to. The pimp ball? It was a pimp ball. What is like a party?

I don't know if you ever heard of. You heard of Bishop Don Juan and all that. Okay, well, anyway, it's a Macball. So these dudes, you know, they got brawls, they got holes, and some of them got eight holes, nine holes, you know. And so it was excited. So I'm already a fly. I'm a fly girl.

I'm already getting money. I'm already making my own money and stuff like that. still not really grasping, you know, what I was doing because, but I was smart enough to know not to do any damn thing, you know what I'm saying? So I'm getting money. And I end up going to a Pimp ball and I met my PIP at this Pimp Ball, 79th Street, Miami. How does that work? I know, right, and that's what I said. But anyway, I know that I didn't. I didn't. realized about the pimp because I didn't really realize about the pimp was really after me because I'm feeling like he want to be my dude, my nigger. Right.

So because I know I could get him because I know I'm a hot commodity. You know what I mean? Like I'm fly. I'm getting money and I know that he wanted me. And so I was going to have my way with him because even though I got with him, one thing I was not going to. going to do was be a hoe, okay? I'm not fin the suck on no dick for nothing. So my choice was, okay, well, you don't want to do that.

My best bet is I can boost. That's it. So that was my thing for me to do with him. It wasn't going to be no even enough to turn me out to nothing, none of that. Because, you know, to be frank with you, the white folks weren't on my side right there during that time, okay? I will with it. So he turned me out and, you know, took me.

He was the first one to send me to Tampa by myself. That's how I ended up in Tampa by myself. He sent me up here to come up here to get on. But I learned how to pick pockets in Miami. Okay. And what were you supposed to come up to Tampa to do? Pick pockets, come up here to make money. Okay.

Yeah. I was coming to Tampa to make money. That was the first place after Miami because, Miami was getting hot. I got turned out in Miami. So after I met the pimper, I got turned out down there. So that's where I'm rob and learn how to go in the rooms, how to pick pocket and all of that. I picked that up right there.

I just picked that up. So he's telling you, go to Tampa, pick pockets, get as much money and jewelry, whatever you can get. And come back to Miami and give it to him? Yeah. I just don't understand that. I never under. But let me tell you something. And see, I was.

always smart enough that I never even gave all my money. See, I'm not going to give you all my money. I had enough sense that I do that. If I go and make $8,000, you think I'm going to give you all of that? No way. So I, you know, I peel. I give you a few thousand dollars, but I'm going to put some of this. I put this shit to the side, baby. What benefit do you get from him for that, though? I'm going to tell you, the only thing it was was Dick. It was it because it wasn't nothing else. Couldn't been nothing else because it You're killing me. So

how long does this does this go on? It was just kick into the curve or what? I finally did because once I got the temple, right after I get the temple, then I meet another pep.

But this one here, he's a gangster pimp. See, really wasn't a gangster pimp. He was, I'm going to call him a soft pip. Okay. Joe, I mean,

met Joe here. He was a real and he's from Missouri so he was but they say show me state he was a good, he was a gang. So that niggas shoot a bitch quick in like five minutes. So oh he was up my alley right but he was a bit

So do you move to Tampa? Do you stay in Tampa? I love Tampa oh my God yeah. Anytime that I wanted to come up I came to Tampa like because the jury, like, because I'm taking jury off of your arm, I'm taking off your neck. I used to go out to these hotels out by where the mall is now, the Tampa International.

Before they built that mall, they have hotels. So you know, these are all corporate men that used to come. So you walking through the hotel, we're going walking through the hotel. It would just be me maybe in another partner or something or whatever because it wasn't too minute because everybody got to be able to steal their own money. And so if you hear, like, you hear a room, sometimes they have the curtains open a little bit and me and be in there talking, you know, they congregate businessmen, business guys and stuff.

And then I just not going to do, hey, what y'all doing? Y'all want a party? And all I need is three minutes. I mean, I need three minutes. There's a few minutes. And I'm going to just, I'm going to hit everybody, each one of them. I'm getting ready to hit. She'll hit one or I hit both of them.

we're going to hit boat, we're going to get them all if they, you know, in the room. So that's what we look for. We look for, we look for guys by themselves. And I'm looking on your neck and your wrist because I'm going to get something off your arm and your neck. We just walk up to them, just kind of hold their hand. Hey, I just be real closed.

Just a telephone number. No, I used to say, hey, take this telephone number down. We got, I got a lot of girls over here. We got Chinese. We got all kind of girls over here. Take this telephone number now. take this telephone number down. 77793.11 used to be the number.

I used to say all the time. And that was a song, really, and the motherfucker would be going for it because I'd just be saying it's so fast, 777.7.93.11. So they came mixing. And as long as there's... Because during that time,

you know there was no telephones. So they got the right to the number down. You're keeping the pen. So you're going to... Give me your car. Write this number down. And they're going... As soon as you extract them

to write down, you don't win in their shit. I was so quick, you know. And he said, okay, all right. How do you, I know you said you learned in Miami. Like, how do you learn this? Does it slide hands quick? Like, how are you able, like, what was the training process like that?

Like, I don't know, it just seems. I had, let me tell you, I had a friend. Okay, remember, I told you about my pimp. So his friend, he had a friend that his girl, she's from Boston, Massachusetts, like Pat. And I tell you, she could steal so fast. she could steal and talk to you and turn your wallet upside down

and slide that money out while she's talking to you. When I saw that shit, I knew that was up my alley because I'm, you know, the finesse part about it, you know. Because at first I was going into the, I will follow my dudes. He had like white brawl and I will follow her in her room and I'm going there and use the bathroom,

turn the light off, turn the water on that, make the trick. think that I'm using the bathroom, but I'm back out of the dough on my knees stealing his shit out of his wallet while she got him on the bed. So, I mean, if you think of the, the Romanian wall or whatever,

there's actually videos where they, they have a bunch of people that will go into a convenience store and they kind of create, like there's like maybe four people that kind of create like a wall for just a second. Yeah. And so the cashier, for just a second, it's blank. You can't see anything. So one person ducks down as they kind of move about the store.

So now he's down here at the front of the counter. He'll crawl around the counter while someone else distracts the clerk saying, hey, excuse me. And the guy's like, yeah, what's up? While he's crawling behind them and he'll go in the safe or do whatever he has to do to get whatever the money is. And then he'll crawl back out. And then they kind of group back together. And the guy stands back up and they all walk out. It's called the Romanian was like it's like a whole thing.

It was like a huge thing. I watched a whole kind of like a documentary on it. It was amazing. Yeah. But they practiced. Yeah. You know, they get together and they figure out how to do it. And I was just wondered too, like the watch thing.

Like you're kind of holding the guy's hand while you're under it in the class. Yeah. Because see, I'm going to look at it and I'm going to see how I'm going to be able to get it off. And the ones. And he's not expecting it. That you got to pull out. He's not going to miss because you steady. You keep in his eyes.

on your eye. You know, you're keeping him focus on you. And so, you know, if they just give me a minute, I got it, you know. So that's like fraud. I always, I always say, but people, they're like, how do they get away? How do you get away with the fraud? Well, people aren't looking for it. They don't accept. They're not expecting. When you often talk to them, you just expect that the person's talking to you for the reason that they're there. Yeah, but see, perception is a motherfucker. So if you're not dressed to your part, like, if I come into your establishment and if I look like, and you selling, just say like you're selling diamonds in it, and you come in there looking like a rough bitch,

I'm not fixing to leave my eyes off of you. But if you feel comfortable with me, because you perceive me to have money, because that's what I'm going to look like. I'm going to look like I got some money. You know what I mean? Like you're not going to underestimate why I'm there. You're not going to question.

I don't have put one of my, one of my partners that worked with me had her in the back seat going to a bank and let her sit in the back seat and I'm adding like it's a white woman back there in the back seat because I got tenant windows

and the drive-through teller right here she can't seek and all I want to do because I got the checkbook and passed that checkbook and passed that ID so the the driver and teller

would think that I am the driver of taking care of Ms. Daisy. Right. Okay, and she don't see Ms. Daisy, but Ms. Daisy is the black bitch sitting back there. Ms. Davis is not a white woman that I gave the ID and the checkbook too. And I'm looking at the, I'm like, oh, she's fair, you know what I mean? So you'll get no action unless you get some reaction. So that's what kind of things that I would do, you know, because I had the heart.

I'm like, okay, we're going to play this part right today. We're going to go do this right here. Then we'll go to a jewelry store. So I would tell my dog, I would say, and then see, they look younger. So they will play like, I'm mama. Now, they'll call me mama because I have them dress to a point where they're not going to question them either. So because they'll open their mouth because some of them have gold teeth. So I'm like, you can't open your mouth to let a bitch know anything.

So you just say, uh-huh, if I ask you a question, then say, Mama, can I use the bathroom? and then so you know you got the Vic and the Vic is the person who you're from to steal from if she if you I know I got her she said she can use the bathroom but she don't know that she's going to go back there and tear that bitch down right so she's going to go use the bathroom but she just thinks that's my little daughter and then I might be right here under the desk right here

stealing her shit with my toes right here while she right here in front of me you know so it was different different, a lot of different criminal activity that I be involved with, like I wake up, I use, I wake up 6 o'clock in the morning like any bitch going to work. And that's my day. I stop, that's my job, all the way into the night time.

So I might boost it in this part of day. And then I might, if I come across, you know, because I don't never turn down a lick, available lick, you know. I don't took a cast off my hand before so I could pick a pocket because I was like, oh no, this bitch got the money. And my friend, she helped me take that cast off of my hands so I could pick a pocket.

That's how desperate. I wouldn't be desperate, but that's how crazy I was. I would go, like I'm buying a house. I'm going to, you know, just say like if a person, open house, just say open house. Right. You're dressing up. You're going in there.

because I'm going in to go in the house to get items good, whatever that's... That poor realtor. I know right. I know, right. Does an open house. You're walking around. Open house. Yeah.

And what you look in the park, you can't go in there looking like you're in the steel. Yeah, you can't walk in like wearing a wife beater and overalls. You know what I mean? So, no, you can't do that. So, yeah. So that was a thing to do. Very important to me is the way I'm presented myself. so that you don't think that I'm coming to take your shit.

You know, like it was the furst store that I used to go into all the time. And the lady, I was still in furries at this lady's store for like four or five years. And that lady told me one time, because I would go once a year, but I know I could go in there and get me two furrows, right? And I would go into the fucking store this last time, and I was with my sister, God bless it day. She was doing with me. She hate the way I still because I'd be ready to go. she was, the lady told me that she had a gun.

She said, every time you come in my store, I miss my coat. And I have a gun and I'll shoot. And all I wanted to do was get out the stove. Right. That was the last time I went in there with that lady, baby, because she was like, bitch, every time you come in here and you steal my coats. And I know that you, that's still the coats. I don't care how about you.

And this is with your sister there? And with my sister, yeah, my baby sister. Yeah, as she worked. but she gave me a lot of room because she was my backup person that I lean on for everything. Like I had seen them. They stopped us in the car one time and she was, oh, she was driving and we was on 79th Street. So she was on the wrong side of the road. But I had a warrant.

And so I used my sister's names. I used their names and I used her name, right? So when they pulling her over for the traffic for what she was getting stopped for, they took, they was, they took, they took her to jail because she had a warrant. And she's never been to jail. Did she? And I'm with her and she's looking at me, but if that had been my oldest sister, that bitch would have told that, that's that bitch right there.

But my sister Gail looked at me was like, this bitch, I can't believe this bitch. I'm going to, gee. I said, I'll be nine now. I'm telling her. I'm coming to get you. Don't worry. I'm coming to get you. And all she had to do was say, that's her right there.

Right. But when she got down there and they took up Prince, it took about an hour. So they released her. They realized it wasn't the right person. She wasn't her. I used her name. That's crazy.

Yeah. So I was- Horrible. That makes for a really tough family, family dinners. Right. And she gave me all she had. My sister, she was my backbone. She, I really miss her.

So I'm really cool. now. Gail, can you pass the sweet potato? Fuck you. Yeah. I ain't patch you shit. Get your own Yeah, I used their names and they were hated, but I had one sister, she had to walk around with

paper to say that she wasn't none of me. I used her name. That girl probably still take that shit out on me now that I used her name. And these are all career-oriented people. I'm the black sheep. That's the name of my book. Bye-bye, Black Sheep.

So I said bye-bye to the black sheep. So I got my sister in them. And we're all cool now. So when did the credit cards start to, you start to get into credit cards? I started doing the credit cards. Okay. That was early on because, let me see, what year. Okay, so you know when I used to go in, I used to pickpockets, so I would get credit cards.

So I would use the credit cards at that point to, if I could keep it. for the next day, especially like if it's early, if it's late and the stores it's closed, I can't use it. So I'm going to always take one of the credit cards out. I'm not going to take two of them if you got four. All I'm on is the best card, the best date. I'm going to look at it. And then I'm going to put the rest of them back because I don't want you to miss it

or to say you're missing your wallet. So I always would take it out. And then, but the credit cards I used to get from the women when I would go inside of buildings and shit, I would, we might get 50 cars a day and I was going by like laptops all day, just shop all day, by jewelry, just all day. What year, when was this? Back in what, like, this is before they had like the point of sale transactions and all that. This is when they would put them down and go, right?

And they'd take the, you imagine. Yeah. Like, I remember my dad, we would go places and they'd give them the car. They did that machine. And that's the worst thing to do because during that time, we used to go and get the garbage out because all you got to do is that carbon copy. Yeah, it's got everything. You drop that bitch in the garbage. All you got to do is put it up to the like.

We did that even with checks. So because we had a dude that had a photostatic memory. He knew how to sign a check. And we used to go to the bank. Joe went to prison for organized crime for that. we would go to the bank and go in the garbage cans. Put somebody, I wouldn't get in the garbage can. He would have somebody to go in the garbage can.

We'd get the whole bags of fucking photostatic copies of accounts and just just fucking freefall with it. So we got a lot of money doing that. All right. So at some point, do you, I mean, do you end up, you get caught for this, for all this? I didn't go. I didn't go to jail with Joe Dem for that. Right. He didn't put me in with them, with the organization,

because he had girls and stuff like that would go into the bank and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like my job was to organize, help organize it and get it done. If I had to go in the bank, I would because I do go in the bank. So it was never like I wouldn't go in the bank if I needed to go in the bank. Can you talk about what you did with the hotel rooms? I really started that.

And that started in Miami. the same time that I learned out of pick pockets. I had one of my dudes' pimp friends, they're from Ohio, right? And she knew how I heard the thing, man. She had the, she was one creeping. She would go creeping because she was pregnant. She might be up the damn near eight months,

but it only take a few hours for you to go. And you get you a good room, especially in sleep, because people are going to be, you know, they'll be sleep that time of morning, Three, between three, them peak hours is between three and five, three, three and six. It's your peak hours. And you could still go open up a door because you want to catch them because you get to go to the pants. Once you go in the room, you're looking for the pants.

You're looking for the shit on whatever you could get your hand on. And, you know, I don't open the door in the fucking dog. I had to slam that bitch because the dog, as soon as I opened the door, the dog is just like, ah, damn, you know. And so I would go in the room. why the people is sleep. I'm going to tapping on the doors on each floor. I'm going to the floor

until I have to come out of there. It's the reason why that I have to come out. Other than that, I'm staying in there robbing. I'm, you know, going from floor to floor, you know, and going in the rooms, get the money. Even with the people sleeping?

Even why do people sleep. Oh, my God. Clearwater Beach and St. Pete Beach. Oh, my God. I used to tell them out there. during that time back in the day. I used to tear them up. How are you getting in the door, though? People were asleep.

Because during that time, you had, you could use, you know, the little plastic thing, you could use to open that because they have situated the lock system now where you can't do that. You know what I'm saying? But you used to be able to just slide it. If not, you don't do that, sometimes they would leave their key in the door. And then sometimes the door is open, a job. y'all you know what i mean like every floor might might don't you might can't get it is you know it's not a promise that you're gonna find a door open but eventually you keep fucking but you try enough

doors you're gonna get one oh you're gonna find you're gonna find one that's gonna be a good one yeah yeah with the credit card thing yeah um i mean you still open up doors with the credit card uh and they leave it open and stuff like that yeah yeah i don't be in the room with with with with people why they fucking sleep in it. And like on BET, what they said, by me in the room where the lady woke up, the lady woke up for real. She woke up.

She tried to wake her husband up, but her boy, whoever it was. But I was so silent. I had to sit there and hold my fucking breath. I was like, for real. Until I felt comfortable enough that I had enough chance to move because she didn't even go to the bathroom.

So what happened? you went into a room and the person woke up but didn't see you? No, didn't see me. No, because where I was situated and I was down, I wasn't standing up, you know, and it was dark. So she didn't turn on the light or nothing like that. Thank God she didn't turn on the light. And they didn't even have a TV on, but I had to be fucking quiet. Yeah.

So eventually she goes back to sleep and she goes back to sleep and I get out. But I know I woke them up because I kind of like slammed that door when I got out. You know, I had, yeah. I had the whole ass shit. I wasn't going to get called up in there. So, I mean, at some point, do you get arrested again, like, go to jail? I go to jail. Yeah.

In between, I've always gotten, like, my first prison time from when I was in Tampa for picking pockets. I had, like, 16 cases for robbery charges. They call it robbery by trickery. So picking pockets. They called it robbery by trickery. And so I got my three years And after that, I got out, that was 1979. I went to prison for three years

for Tampa. In Florida? Yeah. In Florida. Yeah. How did they catch you on that? Well, okay, like, O'Dell Mabre, right? So, so many people is getting robbed because a lot of these guys is looking for these holes on Dale Mabre. Remember you used to be the Woff House right there on Dale Mabry? And across from, what is that, Joe Murphy and the Odyssey is still there.

That's the only thing that I've seen. I rode down there maybe yesterday that I see that's still there. They made the Woff House anyway. So these tricks will come where holes is standing at, right? So I'm going to come around the holes because if they go up to a car, I might go up to the car with them, but I'm fin to pick their pocket.

So these holes can't get no money. If they go with the trick, the trick ain't got the money because his money is gone. So these holes, used to be mad. That's why the niggas was one to run us out of town because they said we were stealing all their hoes money. We, you know, stealing, yeah, so because the girls could make no money because we're stealing the money from the tricks before they could go with the trick and suck dick or whatever they're

going to do with them. But, um, uh, so, uh, they just got a lot of cases together. They really fucked me because, uh, uh, I had 16 cases and I, and my nigga paid, I had two lawyers, but they charged me with, what they did was doing the lineup. They got, they'll show five faces, right? But I'm looking decent and presentable, and then you're going to show four other junkies that's sleep that's like this is, ugly. So a person going to know who he talked to. Yeah.

Even with my wig off, I'm the one that's the cutest one with my damn eyes open. And so they tricked them. And so my lawyer was saying that they told them, that's her right there. That's her right there. So it was one trick came from Texas. I never forget that cracker name, John Stafford. I don't know if you're a lie. And he came out here and said that I had a gun and I ain't never used a gun to rob nobody.

Not that, no. So I knew he came down and told a lie. And so I had all those cases piled up. And my attorney said that I need to go ahead and, and just plead because if I get, if I get foul guilty on one of the charges, I'm going to get the max. So then I just went on the two. Was it maxed like 10 years or? No, I was going to get the maxes.

No, for robbery, 16. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, so I ended up getting three years. I pleaded to three years for all of them to run the cases. Where did you go? I went to Lower Florida. The first place I went to was Loyal, and then we opened up BCI,

Borough Correctional Institution. And you did the whole three years? I did to the door. I came out. I did to the door to one time I was supposed to be getting old. That day that I was getting out,

they was trying to keep me even longer because I pulled my pants down and pulled my dress up and parted my ass. I wanted to tell this lieutenant bitch kiss my ass, kiss my ass. She was, I hated her. Miss Primo. That was their bitch name.

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any time that they could take to make me, but I had them maxed out of what nothing else they could do. So where did you, after you left, did you go back to Miami? I went back, I went to Miami, I went straight to Miami, and my mom, that day, my mom took me, we went to eat, and I'm talking to my mom like, she wanted me to straighten my life up. And the only thing I was thinking of,

I'm going to go hit 36th Street, right? That's right by. Miami Airport. That's nothing but corporate people, you know, up and down, bad-footed. I mean, because my feet was hurting so bad. I had to take the shoe off. I was like, shit. I was robbing right there. How old were you? At that time? Twenty-two. So what happens? How do you get back on your feet? Like, as soon as I get out of jail, and it takes me not even 30 days. I made me by like $60,000. Turn around and brought me a car. Actually, I brought me a severe Cadillac. in like 30 days because I'm, every thing that you get,

you're going to get $5,000, $8,000. You know what I mean? If I could get $4,000, but if you stay down, you're good. And most of the time, if I'm near the same area, the only thing I would do is just change my wig. Change clothes and change a week. And then you can still be near the same vicinity of where you was, you know. So that's what I used to do on Dale Maybro, too.

I would go and change clothes and come back out. you know, go change outfits, change wigs, and come back out. I'm curious, when do you go to Atlantic City? Is that soon after this? Yes, yes. That was after that, because after I got out of prison, because that's about Atlantic City time, was the early 80s. That's when I went to Atlantic City.

It took the game from, actually from Tampa again to Atlantic City, Atlantic City, Philadelphia, because that's where me and Joe was, I was a little circle. We was riding in. And so he had friends, because, you know, pimps being touched with pimps. So Joe was my dude,

and Braddy had her dude, and we went to Philadelphia, Atlanta City. Atlantic City is really small, so really you can't stay there for no long time because the strip is so fucking small. So you're stealing and you up and down in the hotel rooms. I'm creeping. I'm doing all of that.

Then we go over to Philadelphia, because Philadelphia isn't in but an hour or so away. And I would spend my time between Philly, Atlantic City. Where's do we go? New York. Oh, yeah, definitely New York. Because I remember we was in New York one time. And we was picking pockets, me and Brandy.

and we was picking pockets on 11th Avenue, so you got all these holes up and down, 11th Avenue, and we pick in pockets. So they bring the paddy wagons to come and pick up these bras. And so you can hear the holes saying, them ain't no holes and see them. We don't look like no holes. So we didn't dress like, you know, like the prostitutes.

They, you know, provocative and all of that. We're looking like school teachers out here amongst these bitches. So, um, um, the, we're not. And they was putting them in a paddy wagon. We didn't go to jail one night because them hoes were saying, them ain't no holes. Them ain't no holes. And they let us go. All right.

Yeah. So how long did, I mean, how long did this go on for, did, at some point, don't you stop? I always know. I always pickpocket. That was something that I did. I get it. Look here. I could, even when I'm, I was trafficking.

in my own dope. Right. I would get on the plane. And if I, I could still, and let me, let me stop that right there. I'm the reason why the steward is them to have to put their pocketbooks up now. Right. Because I used to take, I used to go and hit them up. As soon as they bring that card out, I'd be the first bitch in the back going through

everything. I didn't take their whole pocketbook, but I took what was worth it. Okay. I would have, I would have about two to four keys on me. It all depends. I would have two to four keys on me. I'm getting ready to steal out this book. And the book, me, the purse, I'm getting ready.

And then when I get off the plane, if I'm in Las Vegas, I'm getting off the plane, dirty with the dope. They'll store the credit card. They're fin to go in the casino to go and buy something. Because it's over there, it's 24 hours. So you could go buy any kind of pieces of furnishings and clothes, mint coats, jewelry, all night long. you could buy shit out of Las Vegas.

So that's what kind of, when I say, bitch, got more hard than a gun slating because who else would do some shit like that? You know what I mean? Like, you just, for real, you, you're dirty and you still getting ready to get on the plane and do some other shit. When is your next, like, arrest where you have to go to prison?

Is that from Las Vegas? It started from, it started in Las Vegas because I'm up there working, right? So then, so I got one of my friends, one of my best friends. She's, uh, starts, she's living up there, but she hustling. So now, because I've always met all of these players in different places, I know who all the players are in each town.

So I'm well connected and I'm from Miami, you know, when they started the drugs. So I was a benefit for them because people want to come and get some of that good dope from Miami. And so that's how I started in Vegas because I started, you know, selling dope over there. And I had got my customer base built up. And then I came out of Miami, turned out, you know, turned some guys on to my customer base. And we got money. How are you guys getting the dope from Miami to Vegas? On the air, I'm getting dope on the airplanes from Miami. And let me tell you, what started me with the wheelchair, how I end up going in the wheelchair.

I had to, I had a few keys in between my legs, so I got on a silk set, skirt set. So as I'm walking into the airport, I could feel the wind blowing on my skirt against me, and I didn't want that imprint that you could see it. So something clicked in my head, bitch, get a wheelchair.

and I had the people come and that wheelchair shit stuck with me forever. Okay? And because that's the way when I made Gucci, that's how I surprised him because he wanted me to go to Nassau to go get some dope. That's how I met him because he didn't know how to do it. So I knew how to take care of it. And I said, I'm going over here to Nassau,

and I'm going to get that dope. I went over there in a wheelchair and came back. in the wheelchair sitting on dope. I went over there with no dope on me, but I came back in the wheelchair sitting on dope. Who is Gucci? That's my ex-man.

Okay. Yeah. That's his name. That was my ex-man. And so you're in Miami buying stuff. You've got people in Miami and you have people in Vegas. Yeah.

And what are you, like, what are you moving? Like, how much product Oh, keys. Oh, keys, yeah. I mean, is this keys like, like, two or three a month or a week? No, no, I'm doing more than that. When I first started, probably was like three, three to five a week. And this is still in the 70s or 80s?

That was in the 80s. Okay. Yeah, that was in the 80s because that's when it got, oh, because when they had the Mario Boat left, that was 82. Oh, yeah, because that's when the dope became just like crazy in Miami. when they had, after they had to marry a boat left, all the drugs started coming. Right. The Cuban, Cuban crime wave.

It was a Cuban crime wave, but the Colombians was the one that had the dope. The Cubans didn't have the dope. They was just crazy as hell because I was picking pockets and I might pull some out of a bitch pocket, but I'm going to take it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I might pull the outside. I'm going in for the money, but, and then I used to be around those Cubans at those clubs because they were a lot of jury.

And during then, they were. those Javenia watches was popular, big fucking lakes, you know, so I stayed over there and didn't speak no English, but I was up in that shit. And we would, you know, I was still, I'm taking dope. Okay, my day is if I start in the morning, just say like I'm looking for some little cars. I'm starting and, I'm going from cars to be. Whether it's with your besties or date night, get to all the hottest concerts with GoTransit.

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Booster from boosting. If I get a customer, somebody call me, want some dope, I'm going to do that too. You know, if I need to go. Whatever it is that I need to do. Like one time I had some guys that worked, what they worked like

for a dump company or something like that, them niggas found like a half a million dollar worth for unsigned travelers' checks. But they didn't know what to do with it. Didn't know what to do with it, honey. And I knew what to do with it. I lived off those travelers' checks for damn near three years for real.

They brought them to me, and the funny thing, let me tell you about this instance. And so with me wanting to do the travelers' checks, so now I got to figure out where you could go and cash them at, right? So I had the ID to match with the Cidgeny because you just put the name in it. So I went to the foreign exchange at Miami Airport, and the foreign exchange, it's a little, little guy work in the foreign exchange. It's like a little bank in the airport where you go do the foreign exchange. Yeah, I see him. I see him a little time. Okay. Well, like I just, I just went to Canada. When you go to Canada, you know, as you come out, like I, there's foreign

exchange. Okay. Yeah, they don't divvited up now, but this guy, he used to be flirty, flirty all the time. I say, I'm going to get this motherfucker. I want him to just let me in that back door. Let me in that door one time. I couldn't believe that he let me in that door. inside the little bank thing? He let me inside the freaking bank and I ain't going to tell no lie I didn't come up like I wanted to but I did grab something

but that's when I woke him up because the draw was like partially opening and I was like behind because he bought this tall like really he shorter to me but he was just trying to if I had rubbed on his dick for five minutes I would have got more money

or something the only thing that I was thinking of, and I don't even remember the extent of it, I just know when you were doing the, like, the dealing stuff in Miami or the, you know, moving the drugs. Oh, okay, okay. Was the office stuff, or I don't know what it was. Okay, going into the office buildings, we was, I started off in stores. So basically, like, the news clippings will show that they say I will go into these

different businesses, taking undetermined. amounts of cash and credit cars and would use them. So I would take the cars and use, go the one person said, this bitch had enough nerve to steal a card out of one store right here and then went next door

then go shopping over there with the car from the store that she just got from the lady right here. One time, when I got these cases, the police officer, when I told you I was at Bloomingdale's and the police officer

told the, uh, called the lady who card I had. The lady didn't know that her cards have been stolen. She know because she had a pocketbook, you know. Right. So the police stated telling her, and I could, I can hear. He's steady trying to get her to check her purse because she said, no, I got mine. And then it ended up, she ended up realizing that the cards was missing because I had I already don't spend that money.

Right. And how would you guys get those cards out of the businesses? I would go in the, okay, just say like, this your office, you just went up, you just went to the bathroom. I'm suited down. If I come past here, mostly looking for women, like, because I go into business where they have, like, a lot of, what you call, those little cubicles. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about like real places.

So just say like if you went to the bathroom and you had to go somewhere in the office because these buildings where you go in that you got to have badges, you can't just come in there. So these were kind of office buildings that I used to look for. Right. And so we would go in there and one looking out and the other one is going through, ramming it through the purse to grab some good cars. We're not going to take the purse.

nothing to take the money and this is some thousands you know what I'm saying you can say we'll take it but a couple hundred dollars we're not going to steal that because we don't want to wake you up right so you're going from cubicle to cubicle looking for people that have left

that have left yeah because everybody because you're going to have to do it so fast you have to do it fast you can't go in there and spend the night in that shit you got to go in there and because you know where you're looking at you know top of bottom on the side you pull it out You go in there.

And so my, a person's job is, if a person walk up, the person is walking back up, you start talking to them so they don't know. And then you just act like you looking for somebody. You know, I just know how to break conversation.

I'm curious, what type of lifestyle, like what type of money are you making, how is it progress, you know, in Tampa, were you just kind of getting by? Now you're in Vegas or how is it?

No, I've been getting money all my life. I've been getting money. And to even think of that I was not even mindful of what I was, what it was, it wasn't, like it was big to somebody else, but it wasn't big to me. You know, because my livelihood was, I like cars, houses, jewelry, you know what I mean? And I like to splurge. I go to the hood and give everybody all the kids. That's why I'm Auntie.

I'm, oh, my God. mom, I got like 50 God children. You know what I mean? Everybody called me God, Mama, because everybody, you know, Goddy this, Gody this, God he that. Is this like, are you making like $100,000 a month or something?

I'm making, doing this time for just, what you mean, with doing it for drugs? Yeah. Oh, no, because I was, when I'm getting dope from Nassau, I'm getting dope for $3,000. The most I paid was

3,000 foot, is 25. A key. A key. So you see how they are out there in the ocean now, when you see really attacking them fishing boats? Yeah. But during that time, the Colombians were... They're not fishing boats.

Yeah. They're drug boats. Yeah, the drug... Yeah. But they smaller boats. But so that's what the Colombians used to drop their dope over in Nassau. So the people would be out on the boats. Fishing...

for some bells. So I used to get a lot of wet dope, but the dope, I could drive out because all I had to do was open, I had a room with number of lights in it, and I just open it up and let it dry. It's good because during that time, it was like 99% pure anyway.

But you used to get the damp dope. You didn't mind, I'm paying $2,500, and I'm coming back over here, selling it for 22, you know, for Rochester, New York, L.A., Boston, you know, Philadelphia. I'm so Memphis. So I'm...

You're basically like a profit of about $18,000, $19,000 per key. That's how much I make. That was my profit, yeah. How many keys are you moving a month? A month I'm moving, just say like if I'm moving 20 a week, 20, 40, 20, 60, 80, about 100 keys because I'm making over half a million dollars. Okay. Because I'm really, because I'm doing it because I'm doing it.

excessively. Like, I never let up. So twice a week, we would be on those cruise ships. And I would take three days because it's three days you get to go on. To go to Nassau and back? No, because you want to go on the cruise. You want to pay more money because you don't want to be suspicious on an overnight cruise. Okay. Overnight cruise, you'd be suspicious, though. And so where's the cruise going? The cruise going to Freeport, Bahamas. Okay. And they're picking up stuff. bringing it through the cruise.

And you're coming back. Yeah. Yeah. This is what in the 80s? Yeah, that was in the 80s. Yeah. And so that was perfect because it was really easy. And you have to present yourself right.

So when you're going to do the, you know, when you're going to get to dope, how you present your perception is more important. You can't look like a dope dealer. Not at all. We look like a normal business person. Yes. Or a tourist or something like. Yes.

You got to look like a tourist. And I tell her, I dress my girls up, have them with nice outfits and tell them don't open their mouth because most of them had goals. Right. This is the daughters. Yeah. The daughters. Yeah. What caused, did you do another prison sentence between Vegas and starting to move the dope in Miami?

Was there another arrest? Like prison sentence? Yes, it did. I got arrested, uh, 1989 because, uh, doing that time with, I'm going back and forth from NASA.

Mm-hmm. I, um, a police, we had, I had a police dude over in Nassau that was kind of like, you know,

crooked. Yeah, crooked. Yeah, because everybody want money in Nassau. Yeah. You could buy anybody over there. And so we was missing like 50,

50 birds, right? And so we knew that he had something to do with it. We knew he had something to do with it. And then so I was going back and forth with him. And then he said he's going to, you know, make up, make it up, you know, get it right. Because it was free-flowing over there. Burry's nothing to get over there because it's just like them going out and get some con.

You know, that's how rapid it was over there. But you have to watch them because you'll get. get beat too. You know, you'll get beat. So he did that. And so that's how I ended up getting fucked up because he was calling himself paying me back. And then one of the times on my way coming back is when he informed the police ahead. So he played both sides against the middle. Just so he could get rid of that, and he don't have to worry about paying because he was going to have to pay. And so you got, you got arrested? I got arrested. And then that's when I got my federal time.

Did you get arrested in Nassau? I got arrested in my name. As soon as you got back. As soon as I got back. Yep. How'd that go? They bring it downtown. Is it just you? What about the daughters? Oh, no, they wasn't with me. Oh, okay. Because this was a payback trip. You know what I'm saying? So really, I had my sister with me and she wanted to. And I said, no, that's all right. I got it. I do it myself. and in my mind that's why you have to listen to your mind

because that spirit is not fooling you when it's telling you no when that spirit is telling you know you need to adhere to that yeah intuition your intuition yeah so all right so they grab you they arrest you bring you down

downtown I mean what is your lawyer saying oh my lawyer I Fred Robbins, that's my lawyer. You know, Fred? No. Oh, okay. He, you know, I'm trying to work on me a bond, and it was really fucked up because I had these other charges. No, I got arrested for that.

So while I'm out on bond, they had been looking for me because in the newspaper, looking for the fingernail bandit. That's what they labeled me, the fingernail bandit. So the fingernail, they're looking for the fingernail bandit in some kind of way. Oh, that's damn. Is this because you had, you had fake, like. I used to because that's how they can identify me. I got, um, uh,

because you got, newspaper clippers. You could Google that. You got like claws. Oh, no, I had, no, I had them doing then. I had like real claws. They, they labeled me, uh, the fingernail bandit. And so, um, they arrested me, uh,

because I had, uh, they found out that I was the person. Oh, I got busted at that fucking Blumentdells. I'm sorry. Yeah. I was at Blumydell's buying perfume. You got to help me out now. I was at Blumydell's and I was getting collo. I was buying Cologne and I was passing the lady the cards, right?

So I got my bluebells outside. I'm passing the lady's cards when she's saying that it's not going through. But at the meantime, she had them alerted the police that I had did that. Yeah, she's just trying to kind of hold you. Try to hold me. And when I went out the door that, that's when they arrested me. That's how that shit went down. And this was after you'd already gotten out on the federal charge.

On the federal charges. So you're waiting for that to be taken care of. Yeah. So that's why on the video, you'll see where the reporter was saying that these people, they just kept going. So what are, what is your, so once your state charges and federal charges, when you get arrested on the state charges, do they give you bond or you stay in? I had to stay in. jail. I had to stay in jail because the drug charges took president over the state charges. So your lawyer now, the same lawyer, now he comes, he was representing on the federal charges.

He come in and represent you on the state also? Yes, I had to because, well, I was going to plead out on those state charges anyway. And then they was looking for, they said the finger in their badness, but they never did get the baddest. They only got me. I didn't tell on the badness. Okay, so the badness got free, and we got so much money. I was getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from a jeweler. I had a jeweler that had a jewelry store, and as long as I came in with good credit cards,

I could buy anything out of there. I had to brought so much, it wasn't nothing else in there for me to buy, that I bought so much jewelry from them. And when the feds got me, they went to see him, and he told them that, he told my friend to tell me that if you don't say nothing, I ain't going to say nothing. So I freed him too. So, I mean, you had gotten locked up by the state and then you were already on bond for the fed.

So I'm assuming that you ended up getting sentenced for what? The feds, did they also sentence you for the state or they do it? No, I got sentenced. the state sentenced me as well. You did your time in the feds. Yes, but see, what happened was one of my, the weapons charges, because I was convicted felon, that that was federal.

So that was no longer a state charge itself. I had the credit card charges, the fraud charges. But they ran it, they didn't run it concurrent, but by federal time overtook the state. Okay. Because they, and actually, look, the, the, the correction officers where I was at in jail, because they said I was very manipulative, they ended up kicking me out of fucking jail because they was like, I was a manipulative.

I was eating every, I was eating from East Coast fishery. I had, some of the women, the correction officers, they wanted my fucking clothes, my nails. I did their hair. I mean, you know, and so the corporate elucing. They were mad as hell because they felt like I was influenced. They, the correction officers. So they sent me to the state, which they knew I shouldn't have been there because I'm waiting on my federal time. They know this didn't go, but they just kicked me out.

So I end up staying in the state probably less than 60 days. And then they had to bring me back so I could do my fad time. Where did you do the federal time? I was all over. I went to Lexington, Kentucky. I went to Lexington, Kentucky after Lexington, Kentucky. I wanted to get away from there. I hated that Blue State that you know what Kentucky is.

And I wanted to leave there, so I got involved in a riot. And I said, if it's 20 or more people, y'all call me. I'm going to jump in it because I want to get transferred. And that's what I did. I went and jumped into the riot, and they shipped us overnight to maximum security. So I was in prison with Griselle de Blanco, Squeakie from. All of us was, it was only like 120 of us in maximum security prison. I loved it.

Where was this? Where was the maximum security? Mariana, Florida. Oh, okay. Mariana Florida is where the maximum security was for women. And we had our own clothes. We had hair weave. I got contraband in the fucking maximum security.

Okay. I got contraband. I smoked my weed. My sister, God bless her. Thank her for her. She always made sure that whether or not she put the in the bedroom slippers. If I send a box out to act like I'm going to send shit home, right? So when she get it, she's going to go in there from the bottom,

open that bitch up, put everything, all the contraband in it, and send it back like she never did get it. Right. They're going to call me back a return mail. I just a killer ass on that. And then they don't search it because. they think. That's right. It's been his return and I get it back.

And then I have all my contraband in there. So how much time did you end up doing? I did. I did 120 months. I did my full time. You didn't get any good time? No, because I never followed the rules. I never followed the rules.

In prison, you got to follow the rules. In prison, yeah, you're supposed to, but I had it good because my work ethic was good, but I worked in the fucking lieutenant office and by chance and that's this is in uh Texas Carswell Texas they fuck around and let me get a job in the lieutenant office where they where they take all the contraband at now why would they do that

shit to me yeah okay as the lead head so if they if they uh snatch some shit up if they find shit that's coming in they'll stop it you know stop a load from coming in and they bring it in the lieutenant office I'm gonna go right in there and and piece it off and get it out get most of it out most of the country band because there might have been some of mine that they got

Do you think they knew this was happening? No. Oh, okay. Yeah, because see, in prison, you know you can't tell nobody shit. People can't really be in your business. So as far as me smoking and shit like that, that would just be for my private self. I wasn't trying to sell no weed

and sell in there to nobody because I didn't want anybody to bust me get me fucked up. You know what I mean? So I would. So you get out of prison and that's, and so you get, that's when you got out of prison and you went ahead, you went to, went to college, you got your accounting degree, and then you opened the accounting from now. You've just been a bookkeeper ever since then. Is it, do you went straight?

You went straight after that? No, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I was trying to get myself together. And because I'm on 70. I'd be 70 years old. When did you, how old were you when you got out of prison? I was in my 40s because I damn it was 50. You still got another run in, yeah? I said, well, hell no.

Yeah, no. I got out it was 49. I was like, yeah, I can't do this again. Because, you know, you go back, your criminal history is so bad. You go back in front of the judge for a jaywalking and you're getting 10 years. I got a friend in there now. Got a life sentence for an ounce of powder. Just because the...

And she can't, and the president can't let her out. It'd have to be like DeSantis. Oh, no, he's not letting anybody out. I just, we just, I advocate for everybody. And so actually, that's what I'm getting ready to do. I'm opening up a safe house for women, a formerly incarcerated women when they get out of jail for 2026. Yeah. Like, I like DeSantis, but he's, he's not letting anybody.

But the only problem I have is, is his stance on like, you know, rehabilitation and helping. Right. Help of somebody. No, he doesn't. He's, he's got no tolerance for, for any type of foolishness. And I just feel like these guys go to prison and, you know, you can't just, you know, you can't just let them out with no, no training, no help. And then they reoffend and they go, oh, see, they reaffin it. You let them out. Fucking nothing.

Yeah. What do you, he got no training. You let him out with no place to go, no place to stay. And then they reoffend within three months. Well, how are you supposed to put your whole life back together in three months? And I get it, they fucked up, but, you know, you can't be upset when they reoffend. Yeah. So.

Second chance. I'm for, you know, me. So. I mean, we're talking about some guy who, you know, we're not murdered three children or something. We're talking about somebody who, this is like drugs. This girl, 30, she's been in prison, 32 years for one ounce of powder because she's an ex-offender. Yeah. That is fucking crazy.

That's a, we always. A joke about the, like, this dude got a 20-year sentence for because he brought a gun to a $20 sale. You know what I'm saying? Like a $10 sale. Yeah. And he had a 38, you know, sitting in his car. And now he's got to do 20 years. Like, come on, man.

That's just, that's not. That's just foolishness. Yeah. That's even on a conspiracy tip, just imagine, if you, I called you and you tell your mom, Mom, see is coming by there to pick up. You see that Blumendale's bag right there, give it to her. She's done. Mom's done.

Mom's done. Whether she not. Or she could testify against her kid. Yeah. Which is like, come on, man. What are you doing? Like, I knew a guy who got 10 years. I knew the father of these, it was the kid's name was Lance and his dad had aunt.

His dad knew he was selling drugs. Granted. But he took out a phone call and the guy said, hey, can you tell Lance, I'm coming by. to get, and I forget whatever, the slang was. Yeah. Like it was questionable. The dad tried to say, well, I didn't know what that was. You know, but the truth is it sounded like he kind of knew.

And all he was, and the father was just all, he was just relaying. I'm just relay. I know what he's doing is wrong, but I'm not involved. In his mind, he's not involved. And all he did was relay a message. So they grab him. They throw him on the indictment. Now they want him to testify against his son.

He said, I'm not going to do that. Right. And so he goes to trial. He loses. He gets 10 years. What did I do? Come on, man. It's too much.

Yeah, the system set up not for us. But what I'm doing, I'm going to continue, I opened up me a juice bar and I did all of that down in Miami because I'm on the half-tip now, you know. So I'm trying to live longer until I die, you know. So that's what you're doing right now. But plus you wrote a book. Yes, I wrote a book. When did you write the book? I actually wrote that book in prison back before 2003 in, what was that?

Danbury, Connecticut. Actually, that's where I started at. But I was just waiting my time because I had to learn because I'm so used to getting money so fast. Like if you, you know what I mean? So now in your head you got to learn on that timing. Everything is timing. So when did you publish the book? I published the book.

It's been a couple of years. Well, actually, I just republished it this month. Okay. So when did? I had the book writing. I just had it on the shelf waiting for the right time because in my mind I'm not trying to sensationalize my criminal history because it's so, you know, it's a lot. So you don't want to glorify your prison history. So that's why they're mine telling my story here

because people really don't know that side of the hustle game. Like some of these people starting talking about checks and I didn't never do welfare fraud, but you know, the housing market, all that stuff like that, you know, everybody know a game or two to get in. But from my point of view, the shit that they're doing now, It wouldn't they wouldn't last back in my time. You republished the book and now you're opening.

What are you doing now? What are you opening now? The safe house for women, for formerly incarcerated women. When is that? This program, 26th April. Okay. Yeah. Is this like a 12-room house, six-room, two-room?

Five-bedroom, five-bed rooms, three baths. Just like a-old. It's like a-old. 10 people. Yeah, I'm not going, I'm starting with one, with one house. So I can, you know, help women out because those programs helped me out when I was young, where, like, when I was young, I probably went to beauty school about 15 times because that was part of the program to keep me from doing time, you know, going to jail. I had to go, what you call it, a little off-ramp programs that instead of sending you prison or either if you get a year, like, because

that's why as much time as I've done, I have to add equated to all of those 18 months here, you know, a year here, year in the day here and all that. Diversion programs. Yes, yes. So what happened? They just never took? What's it? The diversion program, the beauty school?

No, it didn't because my mind wasn't set. My mind wasn't ready to settle down. You know, it was, that was part of my life, like my friend said. She said, that was all she knew, what else she was going to do? Like, you ain't got five years and Social Security. What's up? I'm in the same position. Like, I've never had a real job, like on a real, real job.

A few times I had, like, being a mortgage broker, which was like a real job, I immediately turned it into fraud. Oh, wow. Immediately. You know, there was not, it was like, I can't even say, oh, no, no, I, I, I was legit for a year now, now immediately. But you know, I'm going to tell this story not because it's old, but anyway, it's out of the link.

But I had went to Ohio and I fucked around and got a job at Dillard's. Right. And I was the best seller. I'm a seller. You know what I mean? But the people did not know who the fuck I was. I gave them the background check. And my friends said the background check did come back with all that shit on it.

Because I'm like, why is this shit still? following me 30 years later, right? But they gave me the job. But every time my soul, I stole, I stole. Every time my soul, I stole in that store. And them people, I think what happened was a girl that I called and told them people who the fuck I was.

Because I was, you know, but you have to, you know, you got to get your mind straight. They let you go. And so they don't prepare you for what you got the face out here. You can't even get a a house. You can't, you can't, You could buy a house, but you can't rent, you know, because your background. Well, that's not cool.

Yeah, I was actually lucky because my federal charges didn't show up. But I know multiple people, Zach, multiple times put in application. Same thing with Bozziak. Bozziat, my buddy used to say, I'm telling you, this is a fucking scam. Yeah. Because I'm paying $200, $200, $250, $250, $250. He's like, I got $2,000 in application. applications fees.

You know, they charge you a fee. He's like, I've spent $2,000 just trying to get any apartment. Right. Denied, denied, denied. He's like, but they keep your $300. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, but I'm the only person I know that fucking they got lucky.

And just because of my federal charge of her were so old. Yeah. They didn't show up. Oh, okay. Yeah, most federal charges don't show up. But it's the state shit that, you know, that follows you around. The, you did, uh, trap queen. Yes, I did.

When, like, how did they reach out to you? Oh, this will happen. Okay, because I'm friends and they like my family. I don't know if you ever heard of the rapper, Yo, Goddy. But anyway. Do they play it on WQYK country? No, but anyway, they went to go and review his family in Memphis. Guys used to live in Memphis.

Okay. So I've been to Memphis. Memphis is one of my spots. And they wanted to interview them. But one of my friends that passed away with one of my partners, the one that got me out to Las Vegas, her niece found out. She knew me.

So she gave them my name because they thought I was from Memphis. But when they spoke to me, they found out I'm from Miami. But once they started talking to them, they was like, oh, yeah, we got to have her. I got a hair product. It's Save My Edges. It's for all you Ballhead bitches that need Your edges

No What is the What is? It's the edge bands For so ends It's for People that Has thinning edges

From using Soeens And I'm on I'm on Amazon Like extensions or something It's the edges The edges is like Around your hairline

Oh your hairline Your hair airline Oh okay Yeah Your hair airline Okay Because that's where What

Your hair line You tie in You tie in You touch And so it pulls and it takes up. And it causes, what is that? It's like a, that's where your hair starts to fall off, right? Because it's being pulled on so much.

Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I'm re-doing that. And I'm doing the safe house in April. I think it's around April 16th. But I got the house, but it's just taking the paperwork and we commission.

because they want to feel comfortable with you because I'm trying to use their money to distinguish you know I need help because I'm going to help somebody else okay and so and my book is bye black sheep by Celessie von Wells that's the story of my life about my ends and my out and it's going to be more to come hey you guys I appreciate you watching do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this Also, we're to leave all of Celeste's links in the description box. You can go in there. You can click on it.

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