Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Million Dollar Heist Gone Wrong! | Cuzzo

Episode Date: July 19, 2026

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Spider-Man, brand new day. In theaters, July 31st. Eric got a million dollars worth of bills. She was on the run from the fence. I didn't fucking know. I went in with not one tattoo. First tattoo I got was a sick, Teardrum.
Starting point is 00:01:35 No, not before the trial. Yes, dude. I accepted that I was getting life. C.O. And the dude was famous. Sounds like none of this is your fault. It's definitely all that fault, yeah. This sounds crazy, too, but my life is not like many others.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Right. So my mom and her husband, who I think is my dad, and who is claiming to be my dad, I have his last name, when they separate my biological father petitions for custody of me. Like being six years old and being told, like, these aren't your brothers, this isn't your dad, you're going to go live over here now, your whole entire family you've known your whole life, they're gone, okay? This is your new dad.
Starting point is 00:02:30 His name's Gary Costo, and your name's going to be Eric Costa. not Eric Ellison. So for me, like that right there, is when I, my whole goal was just to sabotage everything because I thought the more fucked up shit that I did at that house,
Starting point is 00:02:55 they would send me back. Like, my new dad and my new mom wouldn't want me. Okay. So, like I flooded all the toilets in the house locked all the doors, the bathroom doors from inside like you know smash certain shit. I did dumb shit thinking that they would kick me out.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Like go back with your mom, go back, you know, with your brothers. I was too young to get it. But like when you're that young and you start doing shit like that, it doesn't stop because parents, are looking at you as a bad kid, but they don't know what you really got going on in your head. Right. Teachers, you know, think you're a little asshole
Starting point is 00:03:47 when, you know, really, you just hate your home environment. Well, I mean, it's not like, I hated my fault. He was an asshole to me, dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, he, yeah, he was a fucking hard father. I don't know why he ever fucking tried to get covered. city of me at all. He fucking hated me.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Once I got in the fifth grade, I was 12 years old. That was the first time I ever figured out that my peers around me are a little slower with their way of thinking. And I could get money from my peers. I started selling cigarettes. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:04:35 But I was selling them to all the older. kids. That right there gave me something where like I don't need people. Are you saying they're slower because you're just more of a hustler than they are? Or are you going to like an SLD school or something? No. I mean like they're just the way my brain was because of the things I've seen and when I was around with my dad. You're just growing up faster. Yeah. And I noticed like I didn't have like there was kids.
Starting point is 00:05:09 kids that still believed in things that weren't real. Right. Like Santa Claus and all that. And then I don't know. I still to this day can't explain how my brain works. But it's been a gift and a curse my whole life. Like, I just looked at things different. So you're selling cigarettes of school.
Starting point is 00:05:36 I'm assuming that that's not. You're not allowed to do that, right? Yeah, and I got, this is the first time I found out about, dudes are going to tell. Right. So I'm in fifth grade, right? And eighth grade is the highest grade in junior high. This kid gets caught with a bunch of cigarettes,
Starting point is 00:05:54 and he says he's getting them from me. My dad owns a bar. I'm able to get my hands on a lot of people's cigarettes. So I'm stealing from everybody in my dad's bar. Right. I'm pickpocking on them. I'm taking out there. you know, their pile, whatever that shit is you put on the,
Starting point is 00:06:14 or bar. When you're on at the bar, you put your money. Yeah. Dudes get up, walk away. I'm taking that. Like, just dumb shit. Yeah, but. No, I grew up and, yeah, I shouldn't have.
Starting point is 00:06:27 But I was in that bar more than I was in my house. And this was the first time you were arrested by the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. You know, I was just thinking when he's talking, how funny. Remember the babies when they were. they would make a baby out of somebody. Remember they made a baby for the TikToks? And they made the baby out of Boziac with all the tattoos. Like what would he be like as a six-year-old telling this story?
Starting point is 00:06:50 And so all my peers, he's got tattoos on the little baby. Sorry. Yeah, good. But I was thinking, that would be insane. All right. Because even you're saying, yeah, I was six. And all I can picture is I'm picturing you as a six-year-old with the tattoos on your face. And I'm like, this kid.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Yeah, no. If I didn't go to prison, I would never have tattoos on me. Never. I got all these because I was a pretty boy. I looked like a bitch. Like, I looked like a girl. You know what I mean? I was 19.
Starting point is 00:07:21 What are you talking about? 13 years. It ain't anything looking like this. Bro, I know. Listen, a lot of people wanted to ask you that. A lot of people asking to buy me tennis shoes. A lot of guys wanted to buy me tennis shoes. You need anything?
Starting point is 00:07:34 You need it? I got you. No, I'm good, bro. Yeah, bro. Bro, you just give me a list, bro. No, I'm good. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Thanks. I've been looking for me a friend. It's a friendly place. You'll find somebody. Yeah. It's a friendly place you'll find somebody, bro. I'm walking away. Bro, everything I did was out of fear.
Starting point is 00:07:53 Being honest. No. It wasn't out of like, I'm just this hard dude and I liked it. Like, bro, I'm fucked up in the head and have nightmares from every violent act I've done because I'm not, I wasn't built to hurt people. I understand. But I would be scared. And again, the way I think is different than others.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Like, where a dude will cover up, I'm not. I'm going to swing. Right. Like, where somebody will run, I'm going to attack first. And that's the way my fear does me. It's not that I'm brave or I'm fucking, like, just, you know, I try to keep it real because my line of content undoes for the youth. And a lot of people brag when it's not reality.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Yeah. People make prison seem way worse in some areas where it's not. And then they make it seem real cool in areas that it's not. Yeah. No, I know. It's funny, every time I watch a movie where there's a fight scene, it's like I've never seen a well-choreographed fight scene in my fucking life. in prison. Or they fight for like three minutes. And I'm like, a long fight is like, very long time.
Starting point is 00:09:14 A long fight is like 30 seconds. If it's a minute, these guys are exhausted. Like they'll sometimes they'll just stop out of pure exhaustion. Yeah. The amount of the amount of energy you expend. And the damage, I love it when these guys get punched in the face 30 times in the movies. It's like, bro, every punch is breaking, yeah, breaking bones. You're losing teeth. You're breaking bones. I'm like, this guy's nose would be on the side of his face right now if you got hit that hard. It's just not reality. It makes it look so, how many times you've seen, I've seen people throw 10 punches and I shit you not. One barely graze the guy.
Starting point is 00:09:49 One out of 10. It's like the guy, the sharpshooters, and where they, boom, in the movies, it's like, are you, you have any idea how hard it is to fucking shoot someone for 40 feet away while you're running backwards? Like, that's not going to happen. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's delusion. It's Hollywood. It's not reality. So, well, let's go back. Let's go back to dad.
Starting point is 00:10:11 So when's the first time you get into, like, you get into trouble in school or something? Or do you? I eventually dropped out of school. How old were you? And why? So the area I'm at, my dad lives in Hopewell, which this area is upper class, like, suburb area. My mom, she's in Aliquippa, which that's where I was. was originally from, and that's like the hood.
Starting point is 00:10:41 Right. And I was living with my mom and Hopewell found out somebody was ratting on me saying that I'm living in Quip and I'm going to Hopewell. Right. So they kicked me out of Hopewell, went out of Quipa. I convinced my mom to let me do homeschool and did not do homeschool. Right. I got my boys.
Starting point is 00:11:08 We were in Roe Homes, and I convinced my mom to get my plugs, which she didn't know they were my plugs. She just thought they're my homies. I was selling at the time. How old are you? Ninth grade, freshman in high school. What is that? 13 years old?
Starting point is 00:11:30 14? 15. 15. 15. Okay. 15. But these dudes graduate. These dudes graduated.
Starting point is 00:11:38 I was in high school, but... These are 19-year-old kids hanging out with a 15-year-old. My whole life, dude. That's already an issue. Yeah. The fuck are you hanging out with a 15-year-old? You're 19. Yeah, my whole life, all my friends were way older than me.
Starting point is 00:11:51 I couldn't relate to people my age. Right. Like, the only people that I was cool with that were my age were four girls. They were in my grade, and one of them I still date. I'm with her to this day. I'm assuming there was an incentive there. Yeah. Okay, so, but why did you drop out of school?
Starting point is 00:12:16 So, I mean, sorry, so you dropped out. Because I was dealing drugs. Right, okay, yeah, and they made it difficult, those fuckers. And so now you're living at home. You're homeschooling. Yeah. Yeah. But so what, your mom's?
Starting point is 00:12:29 Dude, them motherfuckers had parties going on every day. Right. All day, every day. And then when school let out, everyone my age came there. Right. So, like, I would be trying to do my home school, and they busted a hole out in our basement,
Starting point is 00:12:48 because our basement's connected, the cement blocks or whatever, and they'd be blowing weed smoke through this little crack in the basement wall. I'm trying to do my homeschool shit. I'm just like, man, fuck this. No, no, it sounds like none of this is your fault. It's definitely all my fault, bro. Yeah, everything was. So you're 15.
Starting point is 00:13:11 So what happened? Dude, in my hand then, I just wanted to party and I wanted to numb myself. Right. Like, I didn't want to think about reality. But your mom's, she's married to another guy now, or at least living to him with him, right? Yeah, but at this time, it was just me and her. Okay. Plus you're 15.
Starting point is 00:13:30 She divorced. It's pretty much by the time you're 15, it's almost impossible to fix it. At this point, you're, you're, you're almost a grown man. I mean, maybe not mentally, but, you know, physically, it's hard to control a 15-year-old kid. She, the police were trying to get me all the time. Like, she was. She was, she was, I was an asshole.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Yeah, dude, I didn't listen to anything. My mom's a good mom. Yeah, but she's also 115 pounds. She's been sitting in the next room. So, yeah, she's not controlling a 15-year-old boy. Yes. So she would try to call the police. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:01 And that's what started the police hating me. Right. was them always having to, you know, do their job. Right. Right. Those fuckers. Yeah. You just leave me alone and let me sell drugs.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Well, no. They were literally telling my mom, like, because they knew me. And our police are crooked. Right. Like, they would find me, and they would take my shit. Like, take my drugs. Right. Take whatever weapons I had on me.
Starting point is 00:14:31 For themselves, not to bust me. No, I understand. And then what just drop you back off. And then, you know. A better alternative than going to jail. And then, yeah. When do you go to jail? When do you, do you get arrested a few times?
Starting point is 00:14:42 Do you go to Juvie? No, that's never, never. As a juvenile, I never got caught doing anything. I did get told. Once I got my homicide, kids told on me for a bunch of shit. Right. But statute of limitations on the one major case that I was. Well, let's get to that.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Hold on. Yeah. Yeah. So, so you're 15, you're, I don't understand. So you're, where are you selling drugs out of your house? I started off hustling, but then, yeah, it moved to pills. And then I was hustling H. Where are you getting this stuff?
Starting point is 00:15:23 Like, I mean, it's not like there's a dark market web you're ordering it from. You got to know a guy that knows a guy. And I'm glad you asked that because most people don't. I didn't know anyone. So my cousin, my older cousin, I was in eighth grade and he was in 11th grade. So he's a junior and I'm not even in high school. And him and two other friends, they wanted to connect also. And I got sent to Northview Heights projects in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:16:01 They sent me in there by myself. had me hopped the fence and they just had me ask. Just start asking around. Yeah, bro. They did. And like, I knew they were all scared. Right. To do, you guys don't know anybody.
Starting point is 00:16:18 You're saying our projects. We're not even front, like, we're from Aliqua. We're not from Pittsburgh and being young. Right. But yeah. And, bro, the second person I talked to was like, yeah, I got you young. Oh, you wild as hell. You wild as hell.
Starting point is 00:16:35 You better not be doing this shit. And I was like, no, hustling it. And it was just cool. Like, I don't. So that guy. That was my first plug. That becomes your plug. Not him.
Starting point is 00:16:46 He brought me. Brought you to a guy. Yeah. Yeah. And. I was like he's second in the conspiracy. I got a bunch of, like, dude, that was this whole line of many. It started with him.
Starting point is 00:16:59 And then. Why did they get popped or something? Yeah. All the time, dude. Yeah, all the time or they get a different phone and they start like the way you hustle out our way, it phones. Yeah. Out Philly, that's all block. You don't need a phone.
Starting point is 00:17:19 You're going to the block. Pittsburgh, yeah, you're switching phones all the time. You're going to be swapped. Like, I might have a whole bunch of clientele on my phone. My phone's worth a lot of money. My phone rings all fucking day. I could trade that with somebody else that got a phone like that. Is it also you're concerned like somebody,
Starting point is 00:17:37 maybe somebody they know gets busted, so they just everybody swaps phones right then just to throw off the cop so they can't? Yeah, say somebody's CI and shit like that. Well, like people are, like, yeah, just to cause confusion. So how much are you, what are you selling and how much are you selling a week? And are you also getting, this is where you're getting the painkillers also? Another plug? Yeah, like, a lot of people were friends
Starting point is 00:18:06 of my dads that were in the bar. Aliquippa, we have a... We're known for straight C. Okay, so Pittsburgh is known for all the H. In Aliquippa, we had all the C on lock then. Okay. It was just everywhere. Like, it was not hard to get anything, bro.
Starting point is 00:18:36 It's just certain people are scared to ask or don't know how to talk to other people or don't know how to like notice that's the dude that has the shit and these dudes are workers. Like, I used to sit and watch shit, you know? Like, I'm not observant. So how much, what are you making a few hundred dollars a week or 500 or what? I mean, you're still 15. I would never even be able to say because sometimes I, party too much and was down.
Starting point is 00:19:06 And then I'd be doing robberies. So how... Then I'd be up. What... How's it has a robber? How does that happen? Like, what's... I'm not trying to talk shit on anybody back home. So I won't say, like, any names and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:19:22 But, um... Anybody that was hustling that I wasn't cool with, I was robbing. And people were embarrassed to be robbed by me because I was little as fuck. and I'm white. So, I mean, can you give an example of one?
Starting point is 00:19:37 How does that get set up? Like, how does that happen? How does that even happen? Well, I did some, I did, like, thinking,
Starting point is 00:19:44 like, I would have a $100 bill on the outside and a bunch of ones on the inside. And if he finds it, I got my weapon. My first one,
Starting point is 00:19:55 what was my first one? Dude, I have a lot. I know. It's not good when you have to think about the first one. Just to let me look
Starting point is 00:20:03 back. Let me think about this. I was with, oh, my, whoa. Okay. My first one was with my victim. Okay. But my homicide. Right. Him and my cousin. How do you know this guy?
Starting point is 00:20:22 My mom grew up with his mom. Neighbors. And they're still friends. And we became friends as babies because they had us together. Right. Literally there's a picture of me and my victim. Right. In a bathtub as babies.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Okay. They had me, him, and my cousin. What's his name? Jimmy. Jimmy. Jimmy. That was my boy. So you're in the neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Does Jimmy and his mom still live in the same neighborhood close to you guys? Or is it miles away? So that's when they were growing up, but it was my aunt and cousin that lived right next. to them. So my aunt ended up taking over the family home. And then Jimmy's mom took over their family home. So I would be going down to visit my aunt and cousin. And Jimmy was the neighbor.
Starting point is 00:21:18 So, okay. So we were 15 years old and you guys decide to rob somebody or how does that? Yeah, they, I was always being the crash dummy. Right. When you're the young one and you're, around all the older kids. Yeah, dude. And I was supposed to give them the money and say that I got it from my birthday.
Starting point is 00:21:42 And it was over two bricks. Give who. Okay, so they wanted to rob this dude that just started selling bricks of H. Okay. And their bricks are 50 bags, not keys. Okay. So these are 50 stamp bags age. What's a bag go for?
Starting point is 00:22:07 At this time, they were going for $10, $15. Okay. In suburbs, they're going for $20, $25. So we were going to rob them for two bricks. So at the time, that's like... $8,000. Yeah, dude. No, like, no, like $1,000.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Oh, it was like $1,800. Okay. Yeah. And I was supposed to give them the money. And, but if they open it, you know, that's what the whole thing was. So I was the one that was to do that shit. And dude did open it. And I gripped it out of his hand.
Starting point is 00:22:46 And I ran and he grabbed my shirt. He caught me. And my cousin ran over and punched him. My cousin was big as shit. He punched him right in his shit. And he fell back. we ran out and we got in the car and took off. And then we actually seen him the very next day at this festival in our area.
Starting point is 00:23:11 It was like a community festival and shit. And my cousin said to him, what the fuck are you looking at? And he just kept it pushing. And that I remember feeling like proud of myself in a fucked up way. I thought I was like was something I remember thinking that like cool he's scared what 15 to feel powerful
Starting point is 00:23:45 you know that's a that's a drug in and of itself because you are so helpless at 15 right like you're not not like you're a grown man and it's not like you're educated and have a future you're just trying to survive I hated myself bro like just my how my my life was and everything, especially in my relationship with my dad, like, I didn't care if I lived
Starting point is 00:24:10 or died every day. And that's what a lot of people that are close to me, they couldn't figure out, like, why I just didn't care about anything. And, like, really, like, I would hope that I would die at some point in the day. Um, like, I, and it's just, that sounds like, I, partially, I chemical imbalance, right? So, you know what I mean? Like, you can have, probably should be medicated. I was medicated up until I went to prison and then they took away the medication. So I would wake up in the morning and think, oh, my God, I can't do it once I can. You know, and mentally, Colby's heard me say this, where I would mentally, I used to wake up every morning I would wake up. And there would be just that, it's just, it's only a few, you know, it's only
Starting point is 00:25:01 whatever, a few minutes, maybe a minute or so. And my first thought was, of course, I'm waking up, I'm in prison. I'm not on medication anymore because I was on Paxil for probably 10 years. It's for anti-anxiety. And I'm in prison. I'm facing forever. I still got it ahead of me. And I would sit there and I would think, how long or how much dental floss do I have to buy to make?
Starting point is 00:25:29 Because that's what they, you know, you've seen guys hanged themselves. And I was like, and I would calculate like, after like two o'clock count or something. Like you've got a couple. The guard leaves. He's not coming back for three, four hours. They just leave. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:43 And I would think like, yeah, after two o'clock count. And nobody's in the bathroom at that point. Right? Because we had, this was at the low. They had like a group bathroom. So I would think you could go into the handicapped stall. You know? And if you stood on the thing and you drop yourself, boom,
Starting point is 00:25:59 you're not going to be able to get yourself back up. You're on the wall. You know what I'm saying? Like I mentally would go through it and how long. And they don't. sell you so much dental floss you can't go in and buy like six rolls i'm like okay if i bought one this time and this now i start do that but after a minute or so i'm like i would tell myself this is this is not rational what are you doing what are you doing stop thinking like this stop thinking like and i would tell
Starting point is 00:26:19 myself get up get some coffee if you get some coffee you'd get some coffee you like coffee get some coffee and i'd get my i'd roll over and i'd walk and i'd go get coffee and come back and i drink the coffee feel a little bit better and then i think get you know what you do you know you have to you have to you have to meet Pete. You have to meet Pete at lunch. You like Pete. Pete's a good guy. I'd meet Pete. And I think, okay, it's not so bad. It's not so bad. Then I had an appointment. Maybe at two o'clock, I have to meet somebody. I'm writing his story. I'm writing a story. I'm going to meet that guy. It's a good story. It's a good story. And you just ordered all this stuff. It's good. So it's going to be okay. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. And then by by dinner time,
Starting point is 00:26:58 just after four o'clock count, I think, you know, it's not, this is not a bad life. If you're with some good guys, you got a good group of guys, you got a good routine, everything's good. And then by, then you'd have dinner and after dinner, he'd be like, you know, this is, you're building a library of true crime stories. You're meeting some great, some of these are great people. Yeah. And you've got some stuff in the court. Yeah. And you're going to win this motion.
Starting point is 00:27:21 And then by 10 o'clock after 10 o'clock count, and I'm laying in bed, I'm thinking, I'm going to win this motion. They're going to cut my sentence. I'm going to be out of this fucking prison. This is going to be a good experience. I'm going to fucking take over, bro. I'm going to make a comeback. This is going to be all right. And then I go to sleep and I wake up in the morning and I think,
Starting point is 00:27:38 how much dental floss do I have to buy to weave a rope? I mean, listen, this is every, I promise you. That's exactly what you're saying. Every day where you're thinking, how do you end it while simultaneously thinking to myself, this is irrational. You're thinking irrationally. It's the little angel and the little devil. one of them saying just do it
Starting point is 00:28:02 this isn't a life worth living and the other one's saying you know that's not true you know this is just a different type of life everybody has a different life the way you just explain that though like you're going to bed hype like I got this
Starting point is 00:28:16 and the next day I'm like rolling out of bed like I can't even get I don't even that strength to push myself up I'm like rolling out like fuck I'm so depressed yeah it's horrible yeah
Starting point is 00:28:29 It is. It's mentally. Yeah. And I had a, what is it? I had some guy interviewed me. I told him that. And he said, uh, dang, bro. Like when, when does that?
Starting point is 00:28:39 At what point does that stop? And I, I said, I'm going to let you know. Yeah. I'm going to let you know. Things are better now. But, you know, it's still the same thing. Mornings are the worst for me. Nights.
Starting point is 00:28:52 I'm ready, bro. I'm running for fucking president. Yeah. President. Yeah. That's, in my mind. Yeah. I'm like, that's how delusional I am by about 8.30 or nine.
Starting point is 00:29:02 I'm a fucking madman in my, I have to, I have to control myself not to say the insane fucking things that are going through my mind. I'm speaking shit in existence over here. I'm talking to somebody while we're talking having a discussion, there's a whole other mental discussion going on in my head where I'm thinking, you know, I could probably be mayor. I could be mayor. You know, you should you start off, you could be a city councilman and then you could run for mayor. And then you could, and I'm like, and it seems.
Starting point is 00:29:28 Now, of course, it's insane. You can do anything you want. But in my mind, there's a whole other world going on that that makes sense. Now saying it out loud is like, you're fucking insane. That's never going to happen. But let me tell you, 9 o'clock tonight, that's possible. That's possible. We got a felon as a fucking president right now.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Why can't I be president? Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, it's insane. So anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying, like throughout the day. You hit the nail on the head with that, man. Those are the rollercoasters of emotion. But you understand that it's just like your serotonum, right?
Starting point is 00:30:06 Like it's just off. Like some people, it's different times of the day. And it's like bipolar people. They have that spike and then it drops back. Sometimes it'll go for a week. And then they'll run up all their fucking credit cards and buy a Lamborghini. And then, you know, then they come back down. And they're like, what the fuck did I just do?
Starting point is 00:30:21 And other people have it. And they spike literally for 20 minutes and come back down. And they're perfectly okay again. Yeah. But everybody's different. Some people, of course, it's just always low. It's always low. Or some people, it's always, I guess, always high.
Starting point is 00:30:35 And they're just fucking megalomaniacs. And who knows? Maybe they make it work for them. Maybe they don't. They either end up being a CEO or they end up getting a life sentence. Yeah. There's only a fine line, man. It's very fine line.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah, very fine. The line between guys in prison. Brilliant. Brilliant. brilliance and insanity is fine. There's a quote that I read something like that. So, so you're, did you ever get robbed?
Starting point is 00:31:08 Oh, yeah. Tell me. Yeah, I tell me that. I got robbed twice. Okay. How old were you? The first time, 12. Yeah, it was at this place called Lakewood Fest.
Starting point is 00:31:25 And dude was older, like probably, I don't know, a senior, maybe even out of high school. And I was fucking not even like barely in junior high. But I was trying to cross this bridge with a couple other kids to go through this trail. They have like these woods that go all around this festival. They have hiking trails you could go through. And the dude was like, you got to pay the toll to get. across here. This fucking crackhead was charging little kids to go, like, now I'm older.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I know what you were doing. Right. You're a little crackhead fucking taxing us young to get across this fridge. But I told him no. And he got, like, I'm a little kid, dude, but he got in my shit. It was like, well. Strong arm robbery. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:32:18 And, yeah, he smacked me across, like, not my face, but the top of my head. Kind of hard. Yoked me up. And I did. I had $20 in my pocket. He took that shit. But I went. I went and told my dad.
Starting point is 00:32:35 That was one thing my dad was good for was anytime shit would happen to me. Like, I went to him. That shit would get solved quick. But my dad had him choked up on that bridge. And like all these feet wanted to pull him off of him. dude's name was bird if birds birds watching this right now
Starting point is 00:32:58 if you're still alive this is the cracket yeah I remember his name was bird they called him bird but bird robbed me what was the second one the second one was
Starting point is 00:33:12 one of my close friends so what happened there he just he knew you had product or what was it Before I get into the second robbery, I got to explain this because it ties into it. So everyone was hurting for pills, I noticed.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Everyone was out. So I'm thinking hard. Where can I, who can I hit? What can I fucking do? Because, like, we're all sick. We're all kids. We're fucking pill sick, all of us. And I was one of them that I looked out for.
Starting point is 00:33:53 for everyone, dude. I started casing out. I got drove to this other county right by us, and I'm just casing different pharmacies out. Right. And I skateboarded and rode bikes at the time. So I would skate in the parking lot and shit, and I would try to watch people taking their breaks
Starting point is 00:34:19 because I was always looking at doors. A lot of people don't realize this. But a lot of business doors, they have mail slots. And when you're a little fucking kid, your arms are skinny enough to go through that mail slot and hit that bar. You know, back then, that's what you're using. So I used that a lot, bro, growing up. You'd be surprised how many businesses have doors where that mail. mailbox slot is right there. And you literally just lift up and boom, tap. So I eventually saw one.
Starting point is 00:35:02 It was the third spot we looked at. And these ladies are smoking. And I ended up talking to one of them. And I looked in and I saw nothing but pills. Big bottles. Not like normal prescription. Big Vat bottles, right? Like, they're like a big... Yeah. Yeah, 1,000, everyone. And I'm like, oh, shit. There it is.
Starting point is 00:35:32 So, me and six friends of mine all had got walkie-talkies back then. Like, it wasn't... Not everyone had cell phones. Right. We used walkie-talkies. and I went in just like that. But what I didn't know is there was a silent alarm. Yeah, I was going to say.
Starting point is 00:35:59 So I don't know there's a silent alarm. I'm in there. I fill up two garbage bags. By the time I fill these two garbage bags up, well, actually, let me explain this. So I go on a website called Pills.com. Right. And I studied generic names, like,
Starting point is 00:36:22 All these. Yeah. So you know, you know what you're looking at. You realize like they don't call them, you know. Yeah. And I was looking for medicine too that like could,
Starting point is 00:36:32 um, diabetes like anything like anything valuable. Yeah. Right. Um, and that was before, you know, chat,
Starting point is 00:36:41 GBT and all that. You had to like really fucking do your research. But I did all that. Made a list. Went in. And, uh, there's lights.
Starting point is 00:36:51 fucking that are just shining through this one window. Once you feel the garbage bags full of pills, you don't let you see the lights. Now, I stuff these bags because I see the lights. I didn't run.
Starting point is 00:37:06 I actually hid in the place and they had no clue. Okay. I was in there the whole fucking time. So whoever was in there, these police, and I hear them talking. And do the owners show up?
Starting point is 00:37:24 Like you hide and then the cops come out. Well, I can't see anybody. All I could do is here. But I did hear a guy say, it got to be one of my fucking employees. Like, it had to be there. Right. But are you in the ceiling? Like, where are you hiding in this fucking?
Starting point is 00:37:44 I'm in a cabinet up above this sink. And it had no dividers. Right. And I'm just like a land. and yeah, I just laid there until they were done talking and then I waited a minute, bro, because I was scared to come out maybe like an hour or so.
Starting point is 00:38:05 And then I popped out and my bags that I filled were still in the bottom cabinet, not fucked with, and I just rolled right out of there. Once I realized that there was a silent alarm, I knew the time frame. Right. So now I know I got to be fast and da-da-da-da.
Starting point is 00:38:27 So I smack them again. The same place? Uh-huh. How long do you wait? Like a week? Like a week or two? And smack them again. And everybody is just saying,
Starting point is 00:38:49 Eric got a million dollars worth of bills Eric got a million dollars worth a bill Like that was the rumor Yeah You know And Funny thing
Starting point is 00:39:02 This is how I got caught by my mom Because like all my friends Are now talking about this It's in my dad's bar My dad is like People's saying you did this You know And then
Starting point is 00:39:18 My mom mom was cleaning my room or getting something out of my room. And I had one of them big, huge bears that you win in, you know, festivals, whatever. They're like three feet. My mom went to move it. And she's like, this fucking bear sounds like a baby rattle. Because there's like 100,000 pills in this, in this fucking bear. But, yeah, that's...
Starting point is 00:39:47 Does she say something to you? Oh, fuck, yeah. Yeah, dude. I was literally, I put my mom through hell, bro. I feel so bad about what my mom went through. Because I was just an asshole. I wasn't thinking about anybody but myself. The only thing that I will say, out of everybody I grew up with,
Starting point is 00:40:09 that was in the shit, I never took shit off my mom. I fucking robbed dealers. All of them fucking robbed their moms and their, dads and their grandparents and shit. My mom can have a million dollars sitting on the table. I wouldn't take a penny from my mom. But I did put her through, I feel bad about that shit, man. I put her through hell, dude.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Because I was always just doing the most like that. And then our town, everybody knows everybody's business. So no matter what I did, it always came to my mom and dad. They heard about it. at this time, everyone in the neighborhood, they knew I was up. I did this lick, and I got a whole entire pharmacies worth of pills. Who ended up betraying me, who I found out, was one of my cousins. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:10 One of my cousins let his homies who, they were. they were, all they did is rob drug dealers too. But these dudes were like way more violent than me. Like I'm trying to make sure there's no violence when I'm hitting licks. If it comes to that, then it comes to that. But that's like the last thing I want. Them, they want that shit. So my cousin gets a hold of them, tells them that I'm up.
Starting point is 00:41:42 I got all this shit and that I'm having a party. and I ended up finding this out by a girl we grew up with. But there's a knock on a basement door. And the party's already going. It's already packed. Like there's 20 people down there? 10 people, what? Yeah, close to 20.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Close to 20 people. And we're all smoking, drinking. And my boy Brett gets up, goes to the door, and we got a peephole. and the front of this row home, I want to explain this so you can like picture it in your head. So this row home, the back entrance of it, there's an alley. So no one can see you. Like, that's where everybody comes to cop.
Starting point is 00:42:33 That's what we hustle out of. And in the front, there's no bullshit. Super private. Yeah. So my girlfriend at the time, her face is what is in front of the people. And he sees her, so he opens the door. And as soon as he opens the door, there's a dude with a ski mask with a gun to her head.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And there's two other dudes with ski masks. And they got guns also. And they slammed her. As soon as they came in, they grabbed her and slammed her off the wall. and then I'm back towards the back of the basement and I'm on a couch. And they said, who's Eric Costa? And I was just, like, I literally, as soon as he said it,
Starting point is 00:43:29 these motherfuckers didn't even give me time to stand up. But he told me he's, where's, the shit, where's the shit. And I don't know why. Still to this day, I don't fucking know why I thought this was smart. But I did not want to, I didn't want to give up my shit. So I said, yeah, it's over there in that toolbox. But it's hidden in a secret compartment.
Starting point is 00:44:02 And again, like that part, I don't know why that popped in my head. Because they're what, like, I just knew I could grab something in that toolbox and crack one of them. And I'm literally thinking I know. And in my head and in my head I'm like, I could crack one of them, get his gun. And then like, dude, I don't know. I was an idiot. You've been watching too much
Starting point is 00:44:23 Jason Bourne. Yeah, dude. And I've like had too much confidence. Like, I can do this. Like, I know I can do this. But no. I went, I grabbed it was some big wrench.
Starting point is 00:44:38 pipe wrench. I swung, didn't even hit him, and the next thing I know I woke up, they beat my head, they pistol whipped the fuck out of me, and they took Kristen and they dipped. Like, I don't know if they thought they killed me, and like that's why they ran
Starting point is 00:45:05 without getting what they came for. But after that, I woke up and I was like all out of it. Everyone was looking at me. I had blood all over me and shit. I'm just like, then I remembered what, like, it just came to me. Like, what the fuck happened? And I ran outside. Kristen was on the ground, laying on the ground.
Starting point is 00:45:30 And I remember hearing, bop, bach, bach, bach. They saw me and they fucking started shit. shooting at me. So I dove on Kristen, and I dove on top of her, and I fell out again. Are they down the alleyway? They're making their escape, but they see you run out of the back. I'm assuming it's the back. Yeah, and I'm assuming that they thought I had a gun and was about to dump on them
Starting point is 00:45:59 because they just started firing on me. And the neighbors, obviously, here and all the gunshots, they called the police. and I was out of it, dude. I jumped on top of her, and then I woke up when the ambulance people were there. The police were fucking... These cops hated me already at this point. This cops, I'm out of it.
Starting point is 00:46:27 This cops in my face trying to get me to rat on who did it. And I'm like, I don't know who the fuck did it. Do you know who did it? Or did you? Now I do. All right. But at the time, no. And then after that.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Oh, I had to go to the hospital. The police called my dad and he was like, he turned 18 tonight. Tell him to figure it out. Because I needed somebody to get me from the hospital because I was all fucked up. Right. Yeah. And that was when me and him were done.
Starting point is 00:46:59 So like a year it goes by and? Yeah, other than oh shit. why I stopped, why I wanted to stop. Because right before I caught my homicide, I wanted to change my life on my own. I can help you. My memory, dude.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Yeah. Yeah. Jeremy. Jeremy's situation freaked me out. You go live with Brian. Oh, my God, I forgot about all that. Okay. Hang on.
Starting point is 00:47:35 And then you want to quit. And then I got you job. Yeah. Did quit. Okay. Yeah. Dang. You have any idea of the fact that your mom is here telling you all this?
Starting point is 00:47:48 How bizarre that is. Yeah. This is, like, I see my 93-year-old mother going. And then don't you remember? Then you were trapping in the north side? Oh, my God. Then you went to the north side truck trapping? To be brutally honest, when you have a drug problem, you're on drugs.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Yeah. And you can't remember. and I was always with him and help. And sober. And her brain was good. Oh, my gosh. All right. Yeah, I'm never, I've never lied to my mom about shit.
Starting point is 00:48:20 She knows everything, dude. You should keep the mom thing in the head. You should keep the mom thing in the head. Yeah, dude. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Okay, so what, all right, so you moved or got a job or something? You met Emily? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Who's Emily? Emily is a girl that. Emily's a big part of the prison thing and the shooting and all that. So I meet her at a party. Again, I'm super young and I'm around all older dudes. She was in the sea. Right. So the dude that has all the sea, he's on age.
Starting point is 00:49:02 So he gets the shit from me. Right. and that's how I met her and we were just flirting and shit and she kept calling me a little boy
Starting point is 00:49:15 and two nights later she ended up hit me up randomly because she was clowning on me the whole time like she wasn't showing no interest but then two days later my phone rings and it's her
Starting point is 00:49:28 and we just started hanging out hooked up and it was it from there Like, the chick came to me and my boy's spot every day. So where I'm living now, right? After that robbery shit happened, me and my boy are living with his dad. And his dad is on sea, but on the hard, hard sea.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Okay. So the arrangement that we have with my boy's dad is we'll make sure that he's good. Yeah, he's taken care of. Yeah. And then we get to trap and party ourselves. And that's what we did, dude. And there was no bills to be paid because this dude had family money and they just let him do whatever.
Starting point is 00:50:29 And they paid for everything. So we're trapping out of here. I really don't know if it was just a combination of everything in life. But I remember I was just, it was nothing out of the ordinary happened. But I start breaking down crying. And I'm just thinking about everything fucked up that happened to me and my friends through childhood.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Like, I don't know what made me do, but I'm really crying, dude. Like, and I'm thinking about all my friends that are gone before they even got to have a family themselves or even go to college or just have a life. And I remember calling my mom and telling her, like, I'm done. I don't want to do this shit no more. Like, I don't want to hurt people no more.
Starting point is 00:51:36 I don't want to do any of this shit. And I was praying too. Like I was asking God to like forgive me for everything. And like kind of like what we were talking about with that guy. Right. I felt like I'm never going to get into heaven. And I was thinking about that before I even got a homicide charge. But something also was in my gut had to be.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Because I found out once I got booked for my homicide that there was an undercover in CIA buying H for me. Right. And I literally just apologized. I found out who the informant was. It was somebody you grew up with. And I just apologized to him like two weeks ago on Facebook. Like I knew it was you. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:34 Like I knew it was you and I'm not, I have no hate in my heart no more. bro, the things we do in this life when we're in the streets, you don't realize what the drugs are actually doing. You think it's for like the fun and the feeling and all that. And you feel confidence and energy, whatever. But I feel when you're doing fucked up shit like that, that is the only way that a normal person, a normal human being with a good heart can deal with that shit.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Like any human being that can wake up be like, my goal today is to hurt someone in the worst way I can't. You're not human. So like I wanted, I didn't want to be a piece of shit no more, dude. And I called my mom. At the time she was working at this airport. and she got me to jump on a line. Literally figured that they get on the airplane
Starting point is 00:53:47 and I'm just in an assembly line and shit. And that's what I was doing. And my girl, I feel I corrupted the shit out of her. She was older than me, but I still, I take, I feel guilty for, right, you know. When I stopped, She didn't want to. And she's been an atheist.
Starting point is 00:54:15 She never believes in God or life after this or anything. I don't know what she does now, but she got my phone. She got my phone and she kept hustling. Well, the one day, me and my mom are off. And this is the day that the homicide happened. So I could take you from the morning all the way. So, like, me and my mom are both off work. and it's my first real job
Starting point is 00:54:43 when I'm paying taxes and shit. So I thought it was cool that we're both off and we're just chilling watching movies all day. Like, I don't know. I know that sounds dumb, but to me, like, I know I put my mom through hell and I know she's proud right now that I'm just sitting next to her.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I'm not in no bullshit. But Emily showed up, which she was staying with us too. She's with me. we're married. Right. Fucking, yeah,
Starting point is 00:55:14 did I say that? We got married. No. Yeah, my mom and her parents didn't want us, you know, having sex without being married.
Starting point is 00:55:24 That seems like the least of your problems. Like, I know, that's why I'm laughing now, but, you know. And, yeah,
Starting point is 00:55:32 I just said, yeah, whatever, and we went to a magistrate. All right. I borrowed one of her dad's because, Back then, that was when, like, oversized shit was in.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Right. So I had, like, big-ass kuzi shit on, and I took one of her dad's dress shirts, and it's all, like, oversized shit and wearing... I did. That shit was stupid as well. But, yeah, I did it for them. Got married. So she comes home?
Starting point is 00:56:01 Yeah. We were staying with her parents. We ended up staying with her parents. They had this, like, nice-ass farm, horses, and all this shit. And I was also trapping out of there. And that's when the undercover cop came into the picture. One of the dudes I was hustling to that I grew up with, he said he had this line at this college where he could get rid of a lot of my shit for more money. And who he introduced me to wasn't somebody from fucking slippery rock.
Starting point is 00:56:37 It was a fucking cop. So they got two bad sales off me. And then I caught my homicide. So their case was done. Right. But they were building one when I caught my homicide. So the day you're with your mom watching TV, your wife comes home. Yeah, she comes home.
Starting point is 00:57:02 And she's like, I need you to come with me. Who she said was a plug that would not deal with her. wanted to deal with me, and that was her story. Okay. And I say her story, because you'll hear when it goes on. I've no idea what went down, really. But my mom doesn't want me to leave, knows what, you know, my mom knows everything what's going on.
Starting point is 00:57:29 And I go in my room, and I'm like, I'm going, and I'm grabbing my gun, and she freaks the fuck out because she ran in the room, seeing that shit, snapped out about the gun, told me not to take it with me. And I remember looking at her, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:57:48 Mom, do you know how many people want to blow my shit off? Right. Like, I have to have this on me at all times. Like, and I left.
Starting point is 00:57:59 And me and Emily, we drove to Allen's house. Alan was somebody that had more, money to give to her so she could get more for herself. This is how she broke it down to me. He has money. He needs shit. He's going to give it to me up front. And I'm going to go meet dude, whatever. And we go to Allen's house and he's not there. When I come back in the car, his house, you go around the back, knock on the door. By the time I come around,
Starting point is 00:58:35 As soon as I get back in the car, she got out and said, I'm going to knock on the door and see if he's still there. Like, that makes no sense. I just did that. He's not there. So that was the first thing that was like, that's weird. Right. When she comes out from behind the house and comes back in the car,
Starting point is 00:58:55 she said she talked to him that he called her and were to go to Wendy's and wait for him. Wendy's is not far from where he lives. literally like a minute down the road and it's in a shopping plaza in Aliquipa. This plaza is a spot where a lot of people hustle and a lot of kids meet up before parties and shit like that. That's all pre-social media days. But we park and once we park in Wendy's, she gets out and says she has to go to the bathroom. I think that she has nothing, that she has nothing.
Starting point is 00:59:35 that she has no drugs and that she's getting sick, that she needs some age. Right. So when she goes in there, she's in there for a minute. And I remember thinking, I'm like, what the fuck? Like, that's weird. Like, why are you in the bathroom that fucking long?
Starting point is 00:59:57 She comes out, sits down, we're talking. And I remember saying, like, I'm pissed off. Like, this is a normal. as fuck. When are they going to be here? I'm not waiting forever. And out of nowhere, like, I didn't see this shit coming. I was lacking for real. Like, but they parked 10 cars, they parked 10 cars down for me. And they, like, not Army crawled, but crouched and went all in between the cars. And they opened the driver door and ripped me the fuck out. Like, you see, I'm little dude. I think I'm not a big dude.
Starting point is 01:00:35 And, yeah, I went right out the fucking car, dude. Went right to the ground. Who is they? My boy, Jimmy. And I don't know who ripped me out at first, right? But when I, and I'm glad you said that, dude, because when I looked up and realized who was fucking me up, I couldn't believe the shit.
Starting point is 01:00:58 I couldn't believe that he's trying to fucking rob me. Right. Like, strong on him. Shit. We had what we had going on, because you know, you heard Jimmy's name a bunch of times throughout this story. Jimmy stole a strap, a pipe, and he wanted to get rid of it for H.
Starting point is 01:01:30 And I'm the dude to do that. Everybody, anytime anybody got a strap, that came to me. I was able to off the shit. And he told me he had a 38. It wasn't a 38. It was a 32. So, like, you're trying to scam.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Dude gave me less than what he was supposed to give because you said something else. He don't say nothing until the H is gone. The H is gone. And now he's like, Eric, you owe me more money, bro. You owe me more money or more shit. I'm like, bro, you gave me a third, like, no, that's what the dude gave you and you took it. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Like, you shouldn't have took it then if that's not what you wanted. And that's what our whole shit was over. That's it. How much it in far, as far as money? Fucking. 100 bucks, 50 bucks. Well, I already gave him shit so like half a bundle. Like five bags?
Starting point is 01:02:28 Five bags of age, dude. That's 50 bucks, yeah. Over $50. Like $50. So he's robbing you now over $50. Yes. Okay. So he, and he's sick. Jimmy was working at a pizza place, Scoot's Pizza.
Starting point is 01:02:45 From what I got out of it later, he was dope sick. He's talking to Allen. They're both sick. Apparently, Emily is sick, and maybe she fucked the money up. I don't know, because she lied about everything. Like, it was doing the most, dude. And they all know you're good. That I can get, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:12 And if we don't have, I'll rob or get whatever. Like, everybody used me, my own. Like, I had a heart, dude. Like, if anybody came out to me that I had love for and told me they didn't have, I would do whatever for them. Right. And, yeah, dude, but their plan was to fuck me over. And I don't know if it was because I went and got a real job.
Starting point is 01:03:35 and I wasn't helping all day every day with their drug shit no more. So right now you're on the ground and they're kind of beating the hell out of it. And it is your wife. Your wife and this guy have conspired to kind of set this up? Yeah, but I don't know this. Like, yeah. Yeah, this came out with the, my lawyer got a private investigator. My lawyer, he got a private investigator, retired state cop, and he found out a lot.
Starting point is 01:04:04 he was the one that was able to get because nothing made sense. Right. Like, how the fuck do you know I'm here? How did you pop up? All that shit didn't make sense. So they were there waiting for you, obviously. They were waiting for you.
Starting point is 01:04:17 She was there to lure you to the spot, and then she goes in. But she never admitted that. Still denies it. Of course not. Yeah. Was store witness for them. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:27 Yeah, dude. So yeah, you're on the ground. You're on the ground. Yeah, I'm on the ground. They're kicking. And, uh, So quick, I grew up wrestling, dude I grew up wrestling and playing sports
Starting point is 01:04:39 I fucking grabbed his ankle I locked that shit and I rolled my body and I got him on the ground and my gun was in between the center console and the driver's seat. As soon as I reached my body I wish I could move around
Starting point is 01:04:57 but I didn't even get fully up to my feet so I'm like half crawling. and my hand just touched it and boom cracks me in the back of my head. My face now is buried in Emily's lap and I get hit a couple more times in back of my shit, flipped over. I never let go of that gun. And I'm, say the steering wheel. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Half my body is under it and my legs are hanging out the driver's side. Right. He's on top choking. He was not choking crazy at first It was more to fucking bang my head And like rattle me Right You know
Starting point is 01:05:42 But the first time that he Pinched my windpipe Right That's in my head I'm like I'm gonna shoot him Yeah Like I can't I'm gonna die like this dude
Starting point is 01:05:59 And like I did not want to fucking do this dude I didn't want to do this to him. Does he even realize you have the gun? Yeah. Okay. I even said it because he let me breathe. He fucking was like shut my shit off. And then right when I was like feeling like he let me breathe.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Like he wasn't holding it the whole time in that gasp of air. I yelled out. My fingers on the trigger and I'm going to fucking chew-choo. Right. And as soon as I finished saying that, shut my shit and I with the under the steering wheel
Starting point is 01:06:37 I threw it right under his armpit and I shot and as soon as I shot he let go and I literally threw like he was able to push him off and he did not realize
Starting point is 01:06:54 he was shot he's looking at me like we're locked our eyes are locked like and when you just do something like that to somebody like and you have a soul like you have feelings and shit like I know like this is bad dude
Starting point is 01:07:18 like I just hurt my friend bad and he was just trying to fucking hurt me bad like this is fucked up and my whole shit changed to helping him you're still kind of laying in the driver's side They see feet hanging out, and he's outside the vehicle now kind of standing up. Yeah, but now I'm getting up and I'm yelling at him in front of every because there's witnesses, man.
Starting point is 01:07:42 This is broad daylight. The other guy's still there? This is like three and after him. Did he read and run? I heard the gunshot. Yeah, he did at first, but then he ran back and then like all these other people that were inside when these, a couple people were in the parking lot. Like, I could see other people. And is he realizing he got shot at this point?
Starting point is 01:08:03 So he's literally doing the, he's feeling all over himself. But what he doesn't realize is I stuck it under his armpit and fired. But he's feeling in the front. Like he got shot in the front. But I scream, why the fuck did you make me do this? Why the, and I still have the gun in my hand, which I know, like, I know that's fucked up because there's, right. There's people around.
Starting point is 01:08:32 There's innocent people. around and anybody watching this that's seen that and I always say this the paramedic I feel so bad what I did to him mentally with that there was a paramedic young and that was his first ever fucking seen as a paramedic and when when I shot Jimmy like I said we tried to get away. Like, I was like, why the fuck did you make me do this, bro? Like, we got to get the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 01:09:11 And I ran a little bit with him towards his car. They got in. I turned around, run back to my car. I get in, back up, and I'm flying. They went behind me. But what I didn't know is he bled out and didn't make it out of the parking lot. Okay. And he drove.
Starting point is 01:09:32 Alan was so scared. He didn't get shot. Right. He was too scared to drive. Like, he was like that. And, but Jimmy fell out. And, again, I didn't find this out until I was in jail. Years later, one of the family members told me this was his first job.
Starting point is 01:09:54 It was a paramedic. And he was in there with him. And apparently, Jimmy kept telling him, grabbing him and saying, don't want to die. I don't want to die. And that, like, just, he, you know, ended up going out while holding him and looking him in his eyes and saying that, and that traumatized that dude. And, like, he quit.
Starting point is 01:10:17 He apparently had to see, like, all this therapist and all this shit. You know that was going to be a part of the job? What did you think you were going to show up for fucking? I guess he thought he could slowly work his way up. Yeah, like, I don't know. Yeah, bro, and I just always felt bad about that shit. So he didn't make it – basically the car stops or stalls, and he's – the paramex show up, but you're gone. Alan leaned over and threw the car and park.
Starting point is 01:10:46 Right. And I'm getting out of there. I'm trying to get rid of my gun. Right. So you take off. Yeah, I take off. Alan – Alan and your wife are really the only people that know. And she's in the –
Starting point is 01:10:57 Fastened herself for me. But they're the only people that know that you're the one. the shot. Yeah. Okay. Because the other people, I doubt anybody there. And Jimmy did not rat on me.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Okay. Jimmy didn't snitch on me. They asked him a bunch of times who shot you and he never gave my name. It was Allen and Emily. Okay. Just, yeah. So, Alan was the dude that said he had money to throw up.
Starting point is 01:11:26 Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, I'll give you more money and then, yeah, bring my stuff. later what we found out is my wife emily and alan were hooking up okay like behind the scene so when i got a job apparently that was her new get high run around buddy right right and uh i don't know why they wanted to set me up i wasn't like i don't know i don't know what the point of that was i mean they're i think that they're assuming they're going to get H or cash from you. No.
Starting point is 01:12:02 They knew I didn't have any of that. That's the whole crazy part. They knew I didn't have any of that shit. If I did, he wouldn't have been dead. That's all he wanted. Right. And then we found out later that Emily did have H. Right.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Emily had a bundle, like 10 bags in her bra, and that's why she went in the bathroom. She went in the bathroom to go... Yeah, to go fix. Yeah. But he's still pissed at you in general. He's just upset with you because he feels like in his mind he thinks you owe him something. Yep.
Starting point is 01:12:38 And so what we think is because Jimmy was tough. Right. Jimmy was, you know. He thinks he's going to beat your ass. So I think Emily and Allen were like, let's sick Jimmy on him. Right. He's already pissed on it. And I don't know what the point of that was.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Like, I don't know why they wanted me to get fucked up and that to happen. But whatever, that's what happened, dude. So what do you do with the gun? I drive it to this country club, wrap it in a shirt, and I dumped it. But she told. She said right at you. I'm thinking, you know.
Starting point is 01:13:15 They'll never find it here, honey. Well, they would. They wouldn't know, but she's like, yeah, they are. I'm going to tell them. They're going to find it. They're going to find it. That's funny now because dead ass. That's funny what she was thinking.
Starting point is 01:13:29 So what do you do? you go back to your mom's house or her parents' house? I flew straight back to my moms because I wanted to tell her first from me before anyone else. They got to her, but it was on the news. They were looking for me. Between Allen and a couple people at Wendy's, they knew who I was. They immediately raided my dad's bar. So my dad, he has a well-known bar in our area.
Starting point is 01:14:08 And, yeah, they thought that's where I ran to. So they hit my dad's bar. And once the police left and realized I wasn't there, my attorney, he just happened to be in the bar with my dad, which that's not out of the ordinary, but they were down there watching March Madness, the basketball games. So as soon as the police leave, my lawyer and my dad are calling me.
Starting point is 01:14:34 And I tell him what happened. And he's like, that's self-defense. He's like, but you got to turn yourself in. And at the time, I was going on the run. Like my mentality was already. I'm running. And, like, dude, I have a heart, bro. So, like, when I slow down and actually think about things,
Starting point is 01:14:58 things that was my boy and I'm not going to run and look like I fucking did that shit on purpose or I did that shit for like no reason. Like I didn't know anything. I didn't even know he was going to be there. But so many people that I grew up with because of how wild I was and all the shit I did, they don't know what's going on inside my brain or my heart. They just know what actions they see and hear about. most of them it's rumors like most of the people they exaggerated my stories right like it wasn't me
Starting point is 01:15:34 exaggerating them it was other people making them fucking worse than what they was and uh yeah everybody just looked at me as a monster like the DA even said like to the jury you see this sweet little innocent kid in front of you and he's not he's a monster a drug toting gun toting drug-toting drug dealer monster or some shit. It's a nice quote. Yeah, they were talking crazy. My trial transcripts are wild. Had fake witness.
Starting point is 01:16:07 They caught got fake witnesses. They got caught in my trial as fake witnesses. So you turn yourself in. Yeah. I went to my dad's bar. Right. And from there, he called the police, let him know. And yeah, that shit was all.
Starting point is 01:16:26 over the news too. Me turning myself in. So what's your lawyer telling you? He's telling me... Is this the same lawyer in the bar that represents you for trial? Everything. He broke out. Yeah, I got in trouble. I robbed a police impound too.
Starting point is 01:16:40 I got in trouble for that. Caught for that. I went to jail. I forgot about that. I bonded out. Okay. I was only in there for a couple of hours. But this dude owed me money and I fucking
Starting point is 01:16:54 didn't realize he was living with his parents. Because he was older. So I figured he was his own crib, but it wasn't. It was his parents. And I'm outside there with this, like, flapjack. A flapjack. It has a spring and a metal ball at the end. You, like, go like this, and you literally split someone's shit with that.
Starting point is 01:17:15 Like, it's just this hard spring to add one of them. And the parents called the police. Like, there's some crazy kid out in our... And where's my money? When I got arrested, I went in front of the judge. The judge, since it was my first time getting arrested in trouble and shit, O-R'd me. Right. I get out.
Starting point is 01:17:37 My car's at the police impound. When I give the money to the lady, she puts it in a lockbox, gets up and leaves. Dude, again, I don't know how my brain worked as a kid. I flipped that lockbox, took all the money out of it, stuffed my pockets and sat down. there was a fucking little hidden camera in the corner office, dude. And they wop my ass. I'm sitting in the chair with the money in my pocket. Like, yeah, I'm off, dude.
Starting point is 01:18:11 And all of a sudden this big forearm comes down on my neck. And they trashed me in there, dude. There's a police impound. Right. And I went back right in front of the same fucking judge that just heard me. And now a few months. months later, you're back again. Yeah, but different county.
Starting point is 01:18:32 So I was always hustling in between Pittsburgh and Aliquippa. Pittsburgh's Allegheny County and Aliquippa is Beaver County. So I was back and forth between them county jails. So what's your lawyer telling you? What does he say? Oh, he's always telling me not to worry about shit. No. I'm just now on the murder.
Starting point is 01:18:54 Yeah, same. Don't worry about it. I got you. Like, you're good. Like, look at me. I fucking got you. For real, dude. He was not confident.
Starting point is 01:19:06 He was confident as fuck the whole time. He reassured, like, that's all he did is reassure me. Okay. And he's close. Like, I've known him my whole life, dude. I'm still real close with him today. All right. So you, what do they charge you with?
Starting point is 01:19:21 Criminal homicide, aggravated assault, unlawful firearm possession. and a bunch of counts of reckless endangerment because I fired in a shopping center. Right. Fired a gun in a shopping plaza. So he's saying, you know, we're going to go to trial? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Because they're not dropping it. No. Caught red-handed. Well, I mean, it could have been... I'm admitting it. I mean, it could have been different. Like, let's say, if Emily had said, no, you don't understand, they attacked them. We were sitting here.
Starting point is 01:19:55 If the other guy had said, no, we were wrong. robbing the guy, then the cops would have come in and be like, look, this sounds to me like we're dropping this case because it's going to be a just file a homicide. They painted me as a monster the very first day. Right. They wanted to sell papers. They wanted the news to be, like, and the police hated me. What is Emily's telling the police?
Starting point is 01:20:18 At first, she did say, I got attacked. Right. And she did lie for me about the gun and shit at first. She did all that. But then once they presented her with, hey, you know we were collecting sales off you guys, bad sales. Right. Like, you're going to prison anyways. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:38 So is he. You guys were going anyways. And she flipped. But flipped is not the right word to me because that's them saying something that happened. Yeah, yeah. Flip is just, I'm telling you, I'm going to tell you the truth. Yeah, no, they lied. They created and fabricated.
Starting point is 01:20:57 this story that they wanted. What was her story? That I wasn't in danger. That he wasn't choking me like that. That I just, I don't like anyone getting over on me or anything. And that's why. Like, I just shot him because fuck you. Yeah, but you're still laying down on the seat.
Starting point is 01:21:19 He's on top of you. Yeah. So that doesn't really make sense. No. To every outside person, they say what you, say. But my county, my county,
Starting point is 01:21:31 Beaver County, everyone around there thinks that fucking I'm this monster and dude is this saint when we were both in the wrong. Right.
Starting point is 01:21:45 He was at work, left on the clock to commit a robbery. I shouldn't have been fucking going to cop you know, for her. Right.
Starting point is 01:21:57 we were both in the wrong. Like, I take full responsibility for everything I fucking did because you can't, you can never progress as a man or a person if you don't take accountability for the shit you do. So many people are fucking embarrassed and shy when everyone is, dude. Everyone has those thoughts.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Right. You know? Like, people just need to be their self, man. A lot of shit. It's confusing in life because we're not our true selves. And yeah, man, that shit was just a rough day. Okay, so trial. So trial.
Starting point is 01:22:41 All right. Trial. I went jury. I went jury trial. And something that my attorney doesn't like doing. And a lot of homicide attorneys, trial attorneys, they don't like doing this, is putting their client on the stand. the way I am, I don't know, Steve said he wanted me on the stand.
Starting point is 01:23:09 Right. Said that he knew that if he put me on the stand and I told the truth that the jury would see that in my face. Somebody has to tell that since you've got these other guys saying, altering the story, somebody has to get up and say your version. Yeah. So that's what we did. And right before, right before, I grew. I got a visit from Emily, my wife.
Starting point is 01:23:38 I knew she was going to be their star witness. My lawyer and private investigator already found out. I got to hear her whole testimony on video, whatever, and I had to pretend like I didn't know that she was trying to fucking give me a life sentence. She comes to visit me. Wouldn't that divorce have been any? here. Oh, I tried. I tried, but this is what the DA was sending her to see me.
Starting point is 01:24:12 Right. He's hoping to get information or something? She tried to talk me into taking a 20 to 40. She's like, I love you. I'm going to wait for you. She don't know that I know she's cheating on me, but multiple dudes doesn't know that I know she's ratting and making some crazy story, all this shit. And I'm just like, yeah, I love. love you. I know you're going to ride, but I'm telling you, I'm going to beat this shit. Like, this ain't happening. That's not what happened. Like, I don't care. I'm not taking it. And she's telling me, like, you're going to get life. They talk to me. They told me,
Starting point is 01:24:47 they told me you're done. Like, you're going to ruin your life. The 20 to 40 is not that bad. You're only 19. And, uh, yeah, I was like, no, I'm not doing it. I love you. I'm like, I love you. I know you love me. I know you love me, but yeah, no. The whole time I'm like, you fucking bitch. You're trying to take my fucking freedom. So, trial? Trial.
Starting point is 01:25:18 Trial was a shit show, man. Like, and I'm glad every trial is transcripts and there's proof, but, like, I'm the only one I feel that I did fucking say some bullshit in there. but it was to fucking go over their bullshit, if that makes sense. They fabricated witnesses that were there. One of them was my friend who, and this is all in the newspaper and shit, this was publicized. I was a runaway juvenile. Police were looking for me.
Starting point is 01:25:54 They run down on my boy's trap house that I was telling you about, the room homes. They're looking for me. I'm not there, though, and they still. a shotgun. A cop steal it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:07 They're like, oh, this is cool. They take my boy's shotgun. And when my boy gets home and shit, one of our other homies is like, yeah, the police just ran in here looking for Eric. And they walked out with your gun. And so he calls,
Starting point is 01:26:24 and the cop tells him, if you ask about this gun or say anything, I'm charging you for all this shit or other shit. or other shit that was there. So he let it go. Well, fast forward two years later, my boy Aaron, he is in the police station to get questioned about my homicide. When he's in this police station,
Starting point is 01:26:48 he sees the one cop that a couple years ago took his shotgun, and he's like, yo, what's up with my gun? And he says it loud as fuck. Well, well, he's about to go see the hospital. outside detective, dude, about my shit. And the whole other side detectives was like, what? And, like, he was, like, trying to... Fuck with him.
Starting point is 01:27:11 Shrug it off. Like, but the detective was just really, like, what the fuck? You're gonna... You stole his gun, like, after he left, apparently. He's like, you took his fucking gun. Then he made modifications to it. He put a pistol grip handle on the fucking thing. But they had...
Starting point is 01:27:30 He got fired. You got in trouble and shit. Right. All over that. And the reason, the only reason they booked him, they would have let it slide. That he would have let it slide. But he wanted to bury me so bad and knew my Lord would have used that. Right.
Starting point is 01:27:50 So what happens on the stand? They basically, they say what? Like, they didn't, does it come out in their version that they set you up and had you go there? or they're just saying what? Their version is I wanted to, like, I just wanted to commit violence to him. Okay. Not that I was just minding my own business with my mom
Starting point is 01:28:14 and got drug there. They didn't even want to fucking go. Right. And then they made it seem like him attacking me was like no big deal. Okay. Like one of their quotes they put in the, newspaper.
Starting point is 01:28:34 The DA told the jury, this is no David and Goliath situation here. Do not look at him as, you know, this little whatever. And, dude, it was, bro. Like, I got ripped out of my fucking car, slammed on the ground, getting stomped out,
Starting point is 01:28:58 then getting punched in the back of my head, getting choked. Like, I get it. They want to win. My side wants to win. It's a game. It's an adversarial system. But it shouldn't be a system where you have to lie.
Starting point is 01:29:11 If you have to start lying to. That's what blew my mind as a child. As a child, because I'm still young. I blew my mind that like, okay, they're playing street games. I remember thinking that. Like, okay, so this is just best story wins. So you, what happens when? Emily gets on the stand.
Starting point is 01:29:31 How's that going? She got destroyed by my lawyer. Yeah. Calla fella destroyed her on the stand, caught her in every lie, and, you know, let the jury know, like, are you facing charges? Are you facing time? Like, and at the end, dude, the jury, believe me, bro. I got up there and I fucking, I let it all out, bro. I said exactly what happened.
Starting point is 01:29:59 I wasn't fucking stuttering. I wasn't getting jammed. The DA couldn't catch me up because I wasn't saying nothing that didn't happen. All them are getting tongue-tied and caught in this lie and caught in this lie. Like, every one of the people that they put up there got caught telling a lot.
Starting point is 01:30:20 He was able to prove that shit. Aaron wasn't even at the crime scene. He grew up there. He knows what it's like, knows what it looks like. And he pretended like he was there. He wasn't. What's he trying? Is he trying to get out of a charge?
Starting point is 01:30:35 No, this dude literally is, is, so this dude Aaron I grew up with, right? We'll call him bodge. It's straight psychopath. Like, just wants attention, no matter how he could get it, wants to be involved in everything. And if anyone around him has any more attention, then this. dude he tweaks he took it upon himself to interject him and all this
Starting point is 01:31:05 yeah I was just like I want to be a part of this trial I want to be in this trial like I know both these dudes I know I can get it and like yeah that's he's a fucking psycho and I once I did my prison time I got to meet real psychopath so like I know what kind of characteristics he has
Starting point is 01:31:25 so what was it what was it what was it What are the charges you're facing? So I'm facing criminal homicide, aggravated assault, unlawful firearms possession, and a couple counts of reckless endangerment. Okay. What do you end up getting found guilty of? I actually ended up getting found guilty of the lowest,
Starting point is 01:31:53 which is involuntary manslaughter. Okay. So they were trying to get me. So criminal homicide and PA, when they charge you with that, they could hit you with first, second, or third. Okay. They were really trying to hit me with third. That's what they were fucking trying to hit me with.
Starting point is 01:32:13 Is that the most serious one? But it's criminal homicide, dude. It's all, like, you don't find out what degree, I guess, until the end. Like, I went through trial and I'm still confused with that shit. But I'm guessing they do criminal homicide so they can, like, bubble first, second. and third-degree murder. But you get the... You get life if you lose.
Starting point is 01:32:34 Okay. But what is you you were charged with? Criminal homicide. What about the gun? That's just what the unlawful firearm possession was for the gun. And... What did that carry? That, I ended up getting three to six for that.
Starting point is 01:32:50 Okay. Three to six years. And three to six means that you could get out in three. Yeah. Okay. Did they run them concurrent? They ran them. consecutive.
Starting point is 01:32:59 Okay. And this is to show you how light, like I should have went home. Damn, why am I even saying that? I should have went home. If you were found not guilty, you would have gone home. No, but I mean,
Starting point is 01:33:13 I don't know. The fucking gun was illegal. Right. But how long had you been locked up? About a year. Yeah, you still would have had some time. I had a year. If you had just been found guilty
Starting point is 01:33:24 that charge, you probably would have had another year ago. I got six months for for, for, the actual crime. Like, like for the involuntary manslaughter. So how much time you get? Six months.
Starting point is 01:33:37 How much time do you get total? All together, five to 11. Okay. Because he just added up all the charges. Right. So, ran him wild. And who picks the time? The jury?
Starting point is 01:33:47 The judge. The judge, okay. Yeah. So the judge could have ran it concurrent, but he chose to run it wild. And he basically chose that because of my behavior in the county jail. You weren't good. I started gangbanging in there.
Starting point is 01:34:05 And just, I was involved in two riots. Can't get right. I got put in the hole permanently. And they said I wasn't allowed out until the person got me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the time you were, by the time your trial starts,
Starting point is 01:34:23 they almost killed me in there. By the time your sentence, have you added any tattoos? Because you went in, nothing, right? Yeah, I went in with not one tattoo. First tattoo I got was a six-st-drop, tear-drop thing. No, not before the trial. It was a very first-ever thing. Yes, dude.
Starting point is 01:34:42 Yes. What does your lawyer say? I know your lawyer wasn't happy about that. Your lawyer had to say something. Well, it's dark now. At the time, it was shitty. Thank God when it healed. It should have got redone, and I didn't.
Starting point is 01:34:58 but I did end up redoing this shit. Like, I ended up, this all got hit a million times. All this is prison. Everything I'm covered. What did your lawyer say when he showed up one day and you got a fucking tattoo on your face? Pissed. Wanted to whip my ass, dude. Wanted to whoop my ass.
Starting point is 01:35:15 Straight up. And, like, I accepted that I was getting life. I'm the only one that was not thinking I was going to win. All right. So everyone in jail is telling me, Cause, man, just prepared. Like, I know they're telling you that, but they be telling us that shit all the time.
Starting point is 01:35:33 And, like, you're probably going to get an elbow, a little bro. Like, dude, everybody was telling me that shit, and I'm just thinking, like, you know what? They're just telling me reality. Right. You know, they know. Like.
Starting point is 01:35:50 So where did they send you? I'm on A-Pod, which that is. where all the high profile violent whenever it goes. Which prison? Oh, so I started at SCI Monahoy
Starting point is 01:36:05 and they put me on eye block and I remember when they said what block I was going on, the dude, and he's a prisoner that does intake, like gets your clothes ready
Starting point is 01:36:19 and shit like that. He looked at me he's this big black Muslim dude and he's like That little white boy got in the eye block. And they're like, yeah, yeah. He killed somebody. And dude looked at me and got to have fun over there.
Starting point is 01:36:39 That's a jungle. And, like, you know, people try to scare everybody and shit. But honestly, I was the best block that I could have ever went to. Why is that? I feel I learned so much shit and I met like people that I should have met in life that I learned a lot from and just they had. So the way they set it up, this block had I and J block,
Starting point is 01:37:13 which was in the back in the cut. And I and J block was the jungle because it's all concrete and steel. Every other block in this whole entire prison and there's two sides of this prison. It's like 3,500 prisoners in each one. And the yards are biggest fucking shit. But all the other ones have like the soft bubble rubber seats. Like they purposely make I and J look like solitary confinement,
Starting point is 01:37:44 but you're actually in population. They have porcelain seats and like bigger cells. The shit, they're smaller or whatever. But that was my first block. And I was scared as fuck going to this block. Like, scared, dude. And the first two people I see is this dude Smitty. And this dude, they call young boy Cuba.
Starting point is 01:38:16 But he was, like, in his late 40s. But they call him young boy because, dude, this dude is huge, strong. fuck, like his arms feel like a fucking concrete wall. And these two are fucking staring at me, bro. As soon as I walk on the... This is my first time ever on my block. I'm pushing my cart. And these two ended up becoming my old heads, dude.
Starting point is 01:38:40 Like, still, I love them to this day, bro. Like, but they were fucking with me. They were... They fucked with everybody that came in. Right. And I thought they were going to take my ass. Like, that's... That's the kind of fucked up games
Starting point is 01:38:56 that they like playing with people, bro. And, uh, dude, I was trying to get in, I was trying to get a bangor. I was trying to get a banger. And two people that I talked to went to them, so they were laughing. Like, they thought this shit was funny, dude. Bro, but they liked that I had heart.
Starting point is 01:39:15 Right. And, uh, yeah, my boy Mike Smith, he actually just came out on the book. He just had a book come out. It was his life. But, uh, Yeah, dude, they had time in in this prison. Everybody respected them.
Starting point is 01:39:29 Smitty was a white dude and all the white dudes in the prison, like, you know, fucked with him. Cuba, he was, I never seen anyone like him move in PA prison. He was not a gang leader. He wasn't in a gang. But he fucking politiced with every gang leader, and he had his hands and everything. dude. I don't know what the, like, I don't know what his story was,
Starting point is 01:40:03 but like that dude was an interesting dude to do time with, and he schooled me on how to move. Like, why I went at people first, why I tried to predict if somebody was going to have me do something, like, or, like, he literally just made me institute. That's kind of fucked out.
Starting point is 01:40:27 Yeah, I got institutionalized, real quick with him. And he was teaching me how to fight. Okay. Fighting, you don't realize, like, is... When you fight on the street, I didn't like fighting. Right. I like getting along with you.
Starting point is 01:40:45 I'd rather laugh with you and joke with you than fight. But, like, they kind of raised me. They looked at me as, like, the young and the dude. who was running all the crips, I became a Crip in the county. But what I found out was I wasn't an official Crip yet. So the dude that put me on,
Starting point is 01:41:14 this is, I have to say all this because a lot of people don't talk about this, dude. A lot of people, just because of the color of their skin, they could say they're a gang member, and they could say a bunch of lies, bullshit, and have like 100 people recruited under this shit. And then all of a sudden, somebody official sees it and will flip it to their shit.
Starting point is 01:41:42 And then it's like, and then it's official. Like, bro, I had nothing to do with gangs before anything. I didn't even care about it. Like, all I cared about was hustling, partying and having fun. I was so petrified of getting, or getting fucking,
Starting point is 01:42:01 extorted, killed, anything like that. Like, a lot of dudes tried me in the beginning. Like, people thought I was just doing shit a while out when, like, I had a note slid to me one time. And if Smitty's watching this, I'm not talking about the joke note. Because they had me, dude, they were sending me fake notes after the real shit happened. Right. And they knew that was in my head.
Starting point is 01:42:31 They fucked with me. Dude, I'm in the middle of yard with a banger looking for an imaginary person and my boys are laughing. Like, dude, cousins are about to kill so we don't exist. But we're always fucking with each other like that. It's different in there.
Starting point is 01:42:47 Like, you're making somebody think they're out there. Right. But that's a joke, dude. Ain't that sick? I understand. Yeah. Like, I know that now, but as a young, you know, like, whatever.
Starting point is 01:42:58 But, um... Yeah, dude, that was. was my first prison. I ended up getting kicked out of that. But somebody did slip you a note. Oh yeah. Yeah. Dude, he slipped a note under there and was asking
Starting point is 01:43:15 to fucking S the dude, dude. Yeah, and like saying all this crazy shit dude and I didn't have to hurt this person. He was sitting
Starting point is 01:43:31 He was on my block, dude. So I put this razor in my mouth and I went out and I sat at the table with them. And like, so I'm one of them dudes that read Art of War a million times and 4A laws of power and shit. Right. Like, you know, I was one of them.
Starting point is 01:43:53 And I would do really weird shit and not speak sometimes. And like, people would be fucking, like I sat down and I didn't say anything and I just played with the razor, and then I made it cut my lip, and I was just staring at him, and he got up and walked away,
Starting point is 01:44:11 and he never wrote a note again. He never fucking said anything. And, like, that was shit. Like, if I had a fucked up sally, right, that I know can kill, like, I'm a small dude, dude. I got to use my brain. Like, a lot of people could just fucking crush me, bro.
Starting point is 01:44:32 I was sitting at my tape. with a knife. Like, you know how the cells are? You have the bunk and then you have your table. Right. But it only has, like, one stool. Yeah, it's usually sometimes that's one that swings out with a hard-ass circle. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:48 I would fucking sit on the top of it and then put my feet on the chair. And then I would just have the banger like on my shit like this and purposely make a noise. So he sees you doing that? Then my cellar would wake up. And he thinks this guy's crazy. And you'd be like, what's up, dude? And I'd be like, nothing, bro. Don't worry about it.
Starting point is 01:45:09 Go back to sleep. I got you. Fuck you. Fuck you, dude. The fuck do you say? And like, this dude's bigger than me. Right. But like, bro, I swear, every time I never had anyone when I did these things come at me.
Starting point is 01:45:29 Right. They left me alone. And they got out of the cell. They're thinking they need to get out of this cell. Yeah, they got out of myself. Most people, they fear the solitary. That's what I found out while I was in there. The biggest fear that people have in there is going to that box.
Starting point is 01:45:45 Yeah, it's funny. You hear these guys that they'll be, you know, and I get it six months, 18 months. Like, I understand that's a long time. But the most I ever did was like 45 days. But I was totally fine by myself for 45 days. I'm totally happy. Completely happy, you know. And other guys are like, they'll, you know, you know, I did, you know, I did, you know, six months.
Starting point is 01:46:07 I fucking, you know, mentally it fucked me up. And I'm thinking, I can do six months. You know, I did 18, the longest. Well, all together, I did four years, seven months. I, listen, when I say six, I mean, I did the 45, like, by myself. Like, it'd probably take a couple months before I wanted a sally. But it'd still be okay. Oh, you were able to get single cell to it.
Starting point is 01:46:27 Like. Wouldn't it? There was two bunks. Yeah. But they would knock. They'd go, hey, Cox, you taking a cellie? No. They let you.
Starting point is 01:46:34 You can say no. Yeah. Yeah. Or, and if it got full, then they'd be like, hey, man, you got to take a cell. I got two cellies. Like, which cellies do you know? Uh, it was his name. And then the guy came in for like a week and then left.
Starting point is 01:46:46 Yeah. He went and then I'm by myself again. And I was done because, you know, you talk for two weeks straight when they, if you've been alone for 30 days. They allow two people together in solitary and PA. Okay. When it gets overcrowded, you'll have, they'll put somebody in there. But like, um, I get that.
Starting point is 01:47:02 dude because I was like that. Because there's so, people, when they think of prison, they think, they immediately think you're locked in a cell by yourself. The truth is, when you've been to prison,
Starting point is 01:47:13 like, and then it's quiet. It's loud all the time. You're never by yourself. There's, you never, it's horrible. So to me,
Starting point is 01:47:21 being by myself for 45 days, even though it's loud in the shoe, people are screaming. Yeah. It didn't matter. I can sit down. I can read. I can,
Starting point is 01:47:31 I don't have a cellie. I'm by myself. I was fucking thrilled. But, you know, there's like the problem with you doing the, you know, holding the, the guy's thinking, this guy's fucking crazy is because there are so many people that are just mentally. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because there's no, there's no real mental, there's no real, you know, sane asylums or mental health facilities.
Starting point is 01:47:54 There's very few in the states or just in general. So the prisons end up taking those guys. So there's a whole slew of people that are, you know, extremely bipolar, schizophrenic. Like, they have all kinds of mental conditions. The mind games caught up to me years down, maybe six years into my bed. I played the crazy shit a little too hard. And they sent me to one of those facilities, dude. I called my mom, right?
Starting point is 01:48:23 I fucked up. Bro, that's exactly what I fucking said. That's what I said. I was like, mom, I fucked up. Like, I fucked up bad. I got punched on my first day. My first day, this dude punched on me. No reason, bro.
Starting point is 01:48:36 Yeah, there's just mental cases. You know, what's going on? I guess, because I'm a new face. I don't know, but he cracked on me. And then he kept it moving. So I, like, it was dirty. You see these people in New York
Starting point is 01:48:51 that just walked down the street and punch somebody randomly. But the people are just fucking insane. Yeah, dude. I had a guy named, I've told this story. I haven't told the story in a long time because I can't remember his name. I know his name was Henry.
Starting point is 01:49:05 They called him something, Big Henry or I forget. It was a black guy. He was fucking jacked. Yeah. This just tells you how this isn't violent or anything, but his mental state was not there. Is that he, so we had a new ward and it was a female warden. And so, you know, when they first, he first had a new warden that's a lot of a lot of times they'll come and just walk through the, race, you know, it's like count.
Starting point is 01:49:31 You stand up and they walk through and they'll move out of the way and walk in your cell and look and see how you're selling. You know, that sort of thing. That's what they did in the feds. Yeah, yeah, they do that. Yes. Right. Yep. So this female warden or, I don't know if she was a wardener assistant warden, but she came through and we all had to stand there and she would walk into a couple different cells and open the thing and look in the, look in your box, you know, your locker.
Starting point is 01:49:56 or maybe she'd say something to the lieutenant who's with her or whatever, close it and walk on. She walks by Henry. He's standing there. And she walks by him and she looks at him. I don't know if she said something to him. Whatever it was, it was brief and kept walking. Yeah. And when she was gone and everybody, you're, sorry, you're good.
Starting point is 01:50:21 You know, okay. He turned to like one of the guys and said, Did you see that? And they were like, yeah, yeah, what? She's, you know, he's like, she's the way, she look at me. Bro, she wants me. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:50:37 Yeah, bro. I know she, you look at my shit. And he was dead serious, right? 100%. Yeah, that's scary. So serious. But some of the guys were like, bro, I think you're right. I think you're right, bro.
Starting point is 01:50:49 Because I know she really. Yeah, I thought, I think she might have been fucking checking you out. Yeah, bro, I know I could feel. I could tell. We had a connection. Yeah, yeah. Henry drew, you remember the story? Henry was not an artist, by the way.
Starting point is 01:51:05 Yeah. But he drew a picture for the word of him, standing there holding a big old shlong. He's holding his shit. It's got to be, if the proportions were right, his just three foot long. And it's him all jacked up holding his shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:26 And he draws, he shows it to some guys. And they're like, you, uh, why are you, why are you trying that? I'm giving this to the ward. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, bro, she wants me. You didn't see her. And I'm hearing this because I'm across the fucking, I'm catty cornered to his cell. And I'm sitting there thinking, I don't know why these guys are egging this motherfucker on, but they are.
Starting point is 01:51:48 He's, he's, he believes it. He's insane. Yeah. And listen, are you understanding that I've been, I've been locked up there? I've been, I think I'd gotten there. This was at the low. I'd been there six months. Like, I talked to this guy.
Starting point is 01:51:59 He seemed normal. Yeah. He didn't seem crazy. Yeah. And there were many guys like that. You talked to him for a year, two years, and one day something would happen and they'd be talking, you'd realize, oh, you're insane. But they seem normal.
Starting point is 01:52:12 So, yeah. He takes the picture. You know what, you're insane. You know what main line is. Yeah, main line. Yeah. So we go through Chow Hall. And so the lieutenant, so like once a week, the lieutenants and the,
Starting point is 01:52:25 the assistant warden or the warden whatever, they'll all be at... Out front. Yeah. At Mainlo, they were in the big, the chow hall. So they would actually stand inside.
Starting point is 01:52:34 It's Florida, bro. It's cold. I mean, it's hot. So they stay in the AC. But they'd stand there. There's a huge area. This is a big facility. And they're standing there and guys would get in line and say,
Starting point is 01:52:43 have that grievance or they'd want to go up and say something to the lieutenant or to the, so he walks up. He's standing in line patiently. We all know he's holding this piece of paper. Yeah. We're all watching the guys in his unit. that know about him. We're like, this is insane.
Starting point is 01:52:58 He's not going to give that. He walks up. Finally, it's his turn. He walks up to her. He says something to her. And she's like, looks at him. And he hands her the piece of paper. And she goes, she opens the paper, closes it.
Starting point is 01:53:16 And she says something to the lieutenant. And he's like, what? And she goes. And he looks at him. And the guy's looking. He's looking at her like. Yeah. You like that.
Starting point is 01:53:27 Yeah. And the lieutenant's like, and she says something to him, he's like, hmm. Okay. He says something to the guy next to him. He comes over. Next fucking lieutenant or whatever comes over, looks at it, boom. They all look at him and he's like, and they're all like, what do you think? I don't know what they're saying.
Starting point is 01:53:47 Yeah, dude. But it's clear they all know immediately he's insane. Yeah, yeah. And then the guy says, yeah, I'm going to need you to turn out. Yeah. And he cuffs up. And they walk him right out. Never saw that dude again.
Starting point is 01:54:02 Never saw that really. But he really believed that this, this, this chick stopped for all of 15 seconds. You're talking about acting crazy, you know, so they wouldn't mess with you. Yeah. I mean, isn't that a little partially why you did a bunch of the tattoos? tattoos. You said you're looking soft. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Boziac did the same thing. Yeah. I wanted to ruin myself and look like this because, like, dudes were telling me, like,
Starting point is 01:54:35 dude, you're, like, how you are right now. You know what I mean? But I was put around a bunch of dudes that they want a young white kid. Oh, yeah. Young white kid, you are the very bottom of the fucking shit. You're as close to a woman as they're going to see. Yeah. And, And then, oh, you're small, too. Right. Oh, you're a little dude. Like, yeah, fuck that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:01 He, I met him in prison. When I met him in prison, he had, he did have tattoos. He had him on his neck. Yeah. And he had his arms or sleeve. And he had him on his hands, right? Yeah. He didn't have the face stuff yet.
Starting point is 01:55:15 But he and his brother, well, no, no, that wasn't his brother. He had gone in and got. grabbed by security guards and brought into a room and cuffed to the table. Yeah. And ends up squeezing out of the cuffs and climbs up in the thing and gets out, right? Climes up and escapes, right? They don't know who is. They have a fake ID.
Starting point is 01:55:40 Oh, wait, was no, that, no, that wasn't it. It was when he and his brother robbed, or, sorry, did fraud in Walmart. I think in Walmart. Yeah, I think they were in Walmart and his brother gets caught and goes to jail. Okay. Brother actually goes to jail twice. two different states for credit card fraud but he got away ran away right and they grabbed his brother and but he said he realized at that point that he's like i'm going to go to jail at some
Starting point is 01:56:02 point and and blonde hair blue-eyed weighed 135 pats shit today he probably wait well today he probably probably think he was like 155 because he works out now but he was like 130 pounds hundred thirty five pounds he's he's he's fucking 18 19 years old yeah he's like i mean i might's well be wearing a dress you know and i'm gonna go to a fucking prison and so you know you're just terrified So he goes and he starts getting tatted. He starts getting fucking tatted up everywhere. And when I, I didn't talk to him for fucking five, six months. I didn't even talk to him because I looked at him and I thought, he's making fucking
Starting point is 01:56:35 ice in the bathtub in a fucking single life. That's where he's here. He's got to be, right? He's got to be here for drugs. He's got to be ice. Like, this guy's white trash for sure. Like, he's definitely a drug addict or drug dealer. So, and then I found out he was actually there for aggravated identity.
Starting point is 01:56:52 theft. And so I wrote a story on him. When I write the story, he explains to me that he got the tattoos because he knew as he said, I knew at some point I'm going to end up in prison. And so he said, I just started getting tattoos because I thought I got a tough of myself up. And the way he walked around in prison. Yeah, like force yourself to. Right.
Starting point is 01:57:13 The way he walked around in prison, he walked around. You'd have thought this dude was six, too. He's tiny. He's five eight. And he's walking around like, and he would walk, you know, And I see him walking down the hall. And then, of course, I start writing a story. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:27 And he'd walk in and be like, he'd walk and close the door. And he'd turn around and he'd go, okay, so what happened was? And I'd be like, oh my God, he's like 14. I love this dude. He acts like a 14, 15 year old kid. But in front of everybody, he'd walk in. Yeah, dude. What's up?
Starting point is 01:57:41 What's up? What's up, man? What's going on? What are you doing? Like, I'm thinking, this fucking motherfucker. Yeah. This isn't what you're like when you're alone. But yeah, he is the same.
Starting point is 01:57:52 thing. He was concerned. It was a concern. Dude, my first tattoo when I got to prison and the head cripp, because as soon as I got there, I said, I'm Crip, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:58:06 And he's breaking everything down to me about how what I was taught is wrong. Right. And he's like, you're going to be
Starting point is 01:58:19 under me. And I'm going to teach you whatever like I don't want to get into all that shit but my first tattoo I walked around the yard with this shit
Starting point is 01:58:34 dude my whole bid oh my God so what does it say? It says it says it says crip across one a little back around that
Starting point is 01:58:51 yeah you go to some prisons Okay, bloods outnumber all of us in there. Right. And there'll be dudes that are scary and try to act like they don't gang bang. Right. So I knew being young and being white, I knew I was at the bottom. I knew all that.
Starting point is 01:59:16 And I actually told my mom what, like, I had a whole game plan. Right. And I told my mom Like I'm going to take this very serious Like I'm sorry But I have a fear of You know dying in here Like and I
Starting point is 01:59:36 Fucking already started In dumb shit as soon as I go out here And like I don't know I was just accepting like fucking This is my life dude And I wanted to punish myself on the low Without even like realizing it
Starting point is 01:59:52 If that like the guilt I felt over Jimmy it was like I wanted this was going to be my escape from thinking about that
Starting point is 02:00:09 because I did do it a lot Um this went crazy bro this went a little bit excessive It did yeah It turned into addiction Right that's what it was dude Is this a bat?
Starting point is 02:00:25 This is a bat right? Yeah Yeah, anarchy, then more crypt, IGC on my forehead. What is IGC? Insane Gangster Crip. That was the set that I was banging while I was in prison. Do you see the horns? Did you see the horns too?
Starting point is 02:00:42 Remember I told you about the guy with the horns? So I was always the only white Crip pretty much. My homies would call me white devil. So I fucking, one day I came out with the horns. I was like, what's up? There was a guy at the medium, a white guy who was, I'm sure he was an AB or something. And it, on the back of his head, he was shaved head. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:10 And it said, a blue-eyed devil. I don't know. That's you standing behind him. Dude, you see some wild-ass tattoos. Like, I've seen some funny shit written on it. I've seen this big black dude, probably like fucking six, six, walking the track. And I just got a joint of smoking, and he had mussy as a tramp stamp. And the dude was biggest.
Starting point is 02:01:47 Oh, my God. Horrible. Dude, I remember that just making me laugh so hard. That's fun. I literally had to bend the track because the dude's biggest shit. I keep my punch me or fucking stab me or something. But it said mussy, shit, like man-puss. Yeah, I get it.
Starting point is 02:02:08 Oh, man, that shit was funny. How did you lose your tooth in prison? Okay. Well, actually, I didn't lose any... Oh, yeah, I did. I got hit with the paddle. Yeah. So, in prison, I got hit.
Starting point is 02:02:27 hit with a padlock. Right. Across my shit. And then when I finished my 11-year sentence and got out, I went back to jail for a year. And, uh, yeah. C-O. So, uh, this C-O, he was brand new. Came to the county jail.
Starting point is 02:02:53 I was trying, I was trying to extort the, the CO. Because I knew he lied on his application to become a CEO. He was in prison. Oh, he had been in prison? Yeah, I remember this. Okay, so I'm in jail, right? And I'm hanging over to the top tier, leaning over to rail with my youngians and shit.
Starting point is 02:03:16 And fucking new CO comes on the block, and I see his face. And I'm like, where the fuck? And I see that face. Where do I see that face? Where I see a face? And I remembered, he was the fucking. he was a cop that was locked up at Green. He,
Starting point is 02:03:35 okay, so he was running a prostitution ring as a police officer. Okay. He was like arresting girls that were tricking and shit, and then having them trick for cops or whatever they were doing. But he was locked up. He was locked up. And I knew, like, how the fuck are you to see it? You had to lie on your paperwork.
Starting point is 02:03:59 Right. So I slid up to him and I was like, yo, bro, I know you were locked up in prison like me, bro. Like, can you grab a phone for me and I won't blow your spot up, bro? And he immediately said I threatened him. Like, he hit the panic shit. And I'm backed up. And I'm like, oh, you're a bitch. And the other CO, he's cool with me. Right.
Starting point is 02:04:27 I'm in BCJ, bro. and I'm going to keep it 100. Everybody's cool. Everybody's cool with my people's and shit like that. And I like, yeah, this motherfucker got me, first he got me two days' cell restriction. Got me two days' cellar restriction. And then they ended up taking me to the hole. and when they took me the whole fucking something happened
Starting point is 02:05:04 where he thought that I told them the shit and it got out but he was like trying to talk to COs that he was cool with but they ran and told and he got walked out like he got walked out of the jail and shit because they found out
Starting point is 02:05:26 Like, dude, he lied on his shit, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Well, dude, I'm fucking on another pod, just like a month or two down the road, and this fucker pops up on the walk and a CO shit. And I'm like, I knew right away. He said he got walked off. He did. He did. Our county jail is short so bad on COs
Starting point is 02:05:51 that they made a fucking exception. Exception for his ass, because he was a cop. Right. Yeah, dude. So he's like, yeah, it's on.
Starting point is 02:06:04 Like, you want to, you want to extort me? Yeah. So he made me think that we were going to get a fair fight. And I was just in myself,
Starting point is 02:06:13 and when he slid in, he had a walk, they have walkie-talkies. And he had, yeah, he had, dude, he had the antenna of the walkie-talkie.
Starting point is 02:06:23 And I thought he was coming in to just rumble, dude. And like, CEOs do do that. They'll pop their belts off and they'll give you a fair one in the cell. Right. And that's over after that. And that's what I thought he was going to do.
Starting point is 02:06:37 But I got cracked right here. The corner of the shit split my upper lip and my man. Yeah. And then pop my shit out. Yeah. That was the second time I got brutally fucked up in my county. The first one was during my trial. That was all over the news.
Starting point is 02:06:58 the newspaper too. They literally said I got, it looked like I got hit by a Mack truck. What happened there? Was that done the CEO? That was the worst beating I ever experienced by the guard. That was the worst beating
Starting point is 02:07:11 in county jail I experienced by the guards. Because the real worst one was in prison when I was doing 18 months in solitary. They were trying to give me to rat on everybody that was bringing drugs into prison. And they just would not accept that I wasn't saying nothing.
Starting point is 02:07:30 And they just kept, like, fucking turning up. Like, dude, they were treating me like I wasn't a fucking human, bro. And a bunch of dudes were reaching out to my family, like telling them how bad I was getting treated. Right. Yeah, I ended up doing 18 months for all that shit. Dude, so much shit happened during my bed. I managed to get myself in so much fucked up shit, dude.
Starting point is 02:07:55 That's not true. One time, one time. This is wild. And I'm the dude that I admit all my shit. Like every single thing in prison I did 100% that they got me for. But there's one case that I caught, because I caught time in prison, like extra cases and shit. They planted Suboxin in my Bible. Right.
Starting point is 02:08:23 The COs? Yeah. They were trying to get me for a minute. Right. And I'm not. proud of this, but there was somebody that was slow on our block, and
Starting point is 02:08:35 that's who I had hold my shit. Right. And I took care of him, though. Like, he would even get on the phone sometimes and talk to my mom, like, because he had no family and shit. But I fed him and all that, but yes, I
Starting point is 02:08:51 would be the one holding my shit. Nobody knew that. COs didn't. So they'd be running down on me. And he'd have it. Right. And they never bothered. You're guilty, but they're framing you.
Starting point is 02:09:04 Yes. Okay. It's hard to feel bad. It's hard to feel bad. I want to feel bad. I want to feel bad. I mean, like, I wasn't doing anything. Dude, you know what?
Starting point is 02:09:13 On some real shit. The way you just looked at me. That's the first time I ever am like. Yeah, they framed a guilty man. Okay, yeah. Wow, dude. It's not. I love the guys that come on here and they talk.
Starting point is 02:09:26 Like, they just pulled a whole. Damn, bro. Yeah. Their whole story is like selling drugs. And then they talk about how in the trial, they fucking, yeah, they can you believe that the guy got up and lied and said this and that's not what happens. Yeah. You just told me about 20 years of selling fucking drugs.
Starting point is 02:09:46 And now you're upset because the, the fucking CI got there for this right now. See I got on the stand and slightly altered his fucking story to make sure you were guilty. Like, I get it. I understand. It's upsetting. but she did just talk about 20 years of getting away with selling drugs. It's hard to feel bad. I want to feel bad for you, but I can't.
Starting point is 02:10:08 Dude, when you say it like that, though, like, nobody's like. That's funny, bro, I can't argue. Everybody's in on the, it's like everybody's in on the bullshit, you know. They're all like, yeah, they're fucked up. It's like, am I the only one that just heard an hour and a half of? Yeah, all right. So I'm just going to say I should not be bitching about that. I would not.
Starting point is 02:10:30 I would be happier out of prison. Oh, man. Yeah, dude. A life of debauchery, you know, you have to pay. Yeah, dude. I have the, what was the guy? I love the one guy that I met in the library, and he was talking, he'd been there literally. We're talking about a week, two weeks.
Starting point is 02:10:49 He's talking about fighting his case. And he's like, yeah, man, I'm thinking about fighting. Should I do it? I said, absolutely, absolutely. And he just, he told me what he had done. He had stole, I think it was like three and a half million dollars and he got like three years. Yeah. And he'd been locked up a week.
Starting point is 02:11:03 And he's like, should I fight it? And I'm going to file 2255 and my lawyer didn't do a good job and this and that. He's going on and on. And he's like, yeah, yeah. I said, yeah, absolutely. And he said, well, what do you think you got? What do you think will happen, bro? And I said, well, I mean, I think it'll take you about three, four months to get your stuff together and prepare the documents.
Starting point is 02:11:21 And then it'll take another three months to do this. Yeah. You'll send it in. It'll take about six months to go back and forth. and forth and that'll be a year and then you can appeal that and then he's like you go well no no you'll lose that but you can appeal it then you'll appeal it and that'll take six months and then you'll do that and it'll be three months here and three months here and then and then I go all the way through the moment I go through the whole thing I said so right about at a just about
Starting point is 02:11:42 two years like uh you'll get your final denial and it'll be denied and he's like what do you mean it'll be denied I said yeah no well I mean you'll the process will take itself you'll go through the court system it'll be denied and he's like well, why would I do it if I'll be not? I said, but by that point, they'll be putting you in for a halfway house. You'll have done two years. Okay.
Starting point is 02:12:07 You'll have seven months worth of gain time. They'll put you in for a few months of halfway house. Yeah. And you'll be within a month or two of the halfway house. And he goes, why the fuck would I do all that if it's going to, if I'm going to, you think I'm going to get denied? I went, well, because you have hope. The whole time you have hope that you'll be able to talk to your family about if this
Starting point is 02:12:27 gets passed and if this gets approved and then I can get released next month and so you'll have the hope for two years. Hope will get you through it. And he's like, that's fucking horrible. I went, you stole three and a half fucking million dollars. You think you don't have to do any time. Of course you have to do time. You have to do a few years.
Starting point is 02:12:45 You stole three and a half million. Yeah. Like that's irrelevant. Like what are you talking about? You should get probation for three and a half. I got fucking 26 years for fucking six million. Yeah, dude. Like, come on, man.
Starting point is 02:12:57 you know and he was just the look on his face was just like he was so disappointed because he was delusional at the fact that he had gotten three years for three and a half million would you do for three and a half million would you do three years right now fucking sign me up yeah dude on my head right every time i tell that story people are in the comments like fucking sign me up are you serious but you know you get delusional and you stop realizing like hey wait a man I broke the law here yeah but this guy Don't fucking compare yourself to other people. You don't know a goddamn thing about what's going on in that guy's case.
Starting point is 02:13:32 You don't know if he cooperated. You don't know if he gave him El Chapo. You don't know if they had no evidence. You don't know if the number that you're hearing in the court system is bullshit. And really, there's only 100,000 in loss. And that's why he got two years and you got three. Because you did steal three and a half million. He only ended up with 100,000.
Starting point is 02:13:52 Like, you don't know. So stop. Know your case. You should have gone to prison. You know what I'm saying? It sounds childish on that, like it. How's shot three and a half million? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:03 Do you know, bro, do you have any idea how many people would sign up right now if you put in a petition? If I'll get three and a half a million, you got to go to jail for three years. They'll do every bit of three years. Yeah. You're going to be out, you're going to be in halfway house in two years. Yeah. Still fucking crying about it. What was so funny, too, was I kept telling them, I told them, I said, yeah, by that by the time you're done, they'll, I said they'll, you'll be putting in for a halfway house and you'll be going.
Starting point is 02:14:26 So every fucking six months or five months I would see that. I remember the guy's name was shorter. I'd see him. Yeah. And I'd be walking, you know, you're past people, something that you don't know of them, but you see him. Yeah, you do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:37 And I had a bunch of them. And I would walk by him and I'd go, he looked at me because he was, he was pissed that that I had said that. And he looked at me, he'd be walking and look at me and I go, what's up? Because I thought it was funny, right? He goes, put in my, he was, just put in my 2255. I say, hey, bro, you were that close. You're going home.
Starting point is 02:14:54 You're going home. And he'd be like, you motherfucker. And then four months later, I go, hey, what's going on? He goes, 22, 50 got denied. I go, you're putting in for the appeal? Did you put it for the appeal? Doing it right now. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 02:15:05 He'd be like, you motherfucker. Yeah. Six months later. Hey, bro, what's going on? He'd be like, so waiting for a, uh, whatever. You know, we put in our retort. They put in their reply. We're waiting for the decision.
Starting point is 02:15:17 I go, bro, you're on your way. I hope your parents are, I hope your people are waiting for you. Yeah. They know you're coming, right? He's like, because he knows I'm fucking with him. Yeah. You ain't going home. And then sure enough, a month or two later, I walked by and he goes, and I said, hey,
Starting point is 02:15:31 what's up? He said, I got denied. My appeal got denied. And I said, oh, man, that's fucked up. I said, when are they putting you in for a halfway house? He said, they just did about a week ago. I said, oh, on your way home, bro. He was like, motherfucker.
Starting point is 02:15:44 Who does do that, man? Like a month later, he's like, I got three months of halfway house. I'm leaving in two weeks. Yeah. That kind of stuff. It's like, but he realized you could see in his face. He knew. That was 100% right.
Starting point is 02:15:55 If he didn't have that hope, his time would have been way harder, but he had that hope. And then there's other guys that just reside themselves that this is my life. This is it. I'm not going to appeal anything. I'm going to do my 20 years. I'm just going to go all into the prison culture. How long do you do? How much time?
Starting point is 02:16:13 I got a five to 11 years since, and I ended up doing the whole 11 years. Parole told me to fuck off every time. And then I caught more time. The only reason I'm not in prison right now is because of COVID. COVID saved my ass, dude. I got all my shit, ran concurrent. And then they let me out. So when did you get release?
Starting point is 02:16:41 2020. I went in 2009, beginning in 2009, or 2020. But then I went back in for a year. I was out for two years, went in for a year. What happened? there um i didn't want to change yet right i had half my foot in wanting to change because i was doing content and i was you know growing my shit and i was like okay i could do this and uh josh from lockdown he was helping me a lot and j williams so i had good content creators in
Starting point is 02:17:19 my corner right support me and shit and uh but i just i was a fucking piece of shit still, dude. I was getting high. I was getting drunk. And non-stop to, like, cover, like, I was having the worst nightmares. Did you, I mean, so what you do? Did you violate, like, you fail a piss test or something? No.
Starting point is 02:17:46 Me and my girlfriend at the time, we went to a family party, and she got kicked out of the family party on the way home. She was whooping my ass. How does she get, how do you get kicked out of a family party? She got drunk as hell and was grinding on my little cousin. Okay.
Starting point is 02:18:06 And they said inappropriate. Yeah, they don't play that. Right. My family don't play that shit. And, yeah, we got kicked out.
Starting point is 02:18:17 And she was punching on me, the whole car ride home. And, uh, I went on live. when I got home, she ended up passing out. Right. Went on live.
Starting point is 02:18:29 And I was trolling because I was pissed. And I was like, yeah. Fucking, she gave me a pass, a hall pass. So like, what's up, ladies, hit me up. Like, you want to grind on my little cousin from my family? Like, all right, well, in the middle of my live, all of a sudden, you see a girl running. And then it goes black. You don't see shit.
Starting point is 02:18:54 Right. And then the next thing you know, because it was in jail. I got charged with strangulation. The hell got dropped, but strangulation, fucking assault, all this shit.
Starting point is 02:19:09 She didn't have one mark on her. I just refused to talk to the police. I literally wouldn't say a word. And then they told me, if you don't talk, you're going to jail. And I said, and it's in my affidavit,
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Starting point is 02:21:05 She tried to get the charges drop. The DA was like, fuck that. No, they're staying. And I took a plea. We stayed together for my bid. And this is a piece of shit move. I broke up with her as soon as I got out because I just wanted commissary
Starting point is 02:21:23 and money. So you need to stay with her for commissary money. Money, yeah. Because at the time, dude, I know I'm a piece of shit. It's common, though. But I'm like, oh, you want to fucking put me in jail for something I didn't do? Like, I can't even say on here
Starting point is 02:21:39 what she did to me, dude. Like, so fucking, I was pissed. Yeah, but yeah, I was a piece of shit at the same time. So how long did you do it, 18 months? I ended up doing a year. But while I was in there, bro, I, I'm thinking about my age and I'm thinking I'm old.
Starting point is 02:22:04 Right. And I'm like, I have a son. That's a whole other thing. That's for when I get out. I got to talk about that. But at this jail sound like, I got somebody pregnant when I first got out of prison
Starting point is 02:22:19 down here in Florida. I was running around fucking like a nut down here, dude. I got a bunch of shit in Miami. You got shot at it and shit. Fucking, they didn't want my white ass in these projects.
Starting point is 02:22:40 And my baby mom's, she's mixed. I was with her, but I guess they didn't realize that shit or whatever. whatever. Yeah, dude, I got bad shit for days, stories. So you're in prison the second time on your violation, and you're thinking maybe this isn't for me? Yeah, dude. Like, I laugh and shit because the pain's too unbearable. That's all you can do is laugh. It's a shit.
Starting point is 02:23:05 I laugh about a lot of stuff. I should be laughing about, but it's, it's a very dark sense of humor. Yeah. So what happens? You get out and you think, okay, maybe I should. Straighten up. Yeah, I thought about my son. And I thought about, like, how my dad did me. And I don't want to... Damn, I'm going to cry, like, just talking about this shit, dude.
Starting point is 02:23:29 But, like, yeah, I want to be in his life. I want to be there for him. I don't want to be, you know, a piece of shit parent. Out of the table. Yeah, good look, bro. Yeah, dude. I love that kid. man.
Starting point is 02:23:47 I only got to hold him one time. This sounds crazy too, but dude, when I met her, she was on the run from the feds. I didn't fucking know. She didn't tell me. And we were doing wild shit.
Starting point is 02:24:02 We were running back from Florida to Pittsburgh to Florida and Pittsburgh. You know? Right. And fucking the U.S. Marshalls run down on us out in West Virginia, out wheeling West Virginia
Starting point is 02:24:16 in this fucking gas station. like 2.30 in the morning. And they arrest her. Well, she was wowed. So in my head, I'm like, sweet, dude.
Starting point is 02:24:27 I got rid of her. Like, you really thought that in my head. Like, sweet, dude, that bitch was crazy. And no offense calling her that. But,
Starting point is 02:24:36 like, that's, yeah. But she's probably, was she pregnant at the time? I had no idea. Oh. I get a jail call.
Starting point is 02:24:42 And she tells me, hey, they just, you know, found out I'm pregnant. I was like, what the fuck? I want to be a dad, but I don't want to be with you.
Starting point is 02:24:53 Like, I don't know how to say this in a nice way. Like, and I tried. Like, I wasn't trying to be a dick. Right. I wasn't, like, I was like, I will do anything that that kid needs. I'll be there, all that. But, like, I, me as a person, I'm not into what you're into. At the time, me and her were doing, when I got out of prison, I had no identity, dude.
Starting point is 02:25:16 Like, I couldn't get my social security number back on. for fucking nine months. So I had no proof to prove who I was. Because when I got out of prison, I didn't have it. And I knew my numbers. Right. But when I wrote them, they were inactive. Like I was like fucking deceased for nine months.
Starting point is 02:25:37 Okay. I couldn't even get like remember when Trump sent everybody money? I couldn't get that. I couldn't fucking get nothing. I couldn't get, I couldn't even get a welfare if I wanted. Did you have a card? No, I literally had shit. Like I had nothing to prove who I was, except for my prison.
Starting point is 02:25:56 ID. Yeah. For nine months. So what happened? Did she get time? How much time did she get? She ended up doing a little over a year. So she had the baby in prison?
Starting point is 02:26:09 Yep. And they have the mint program. They have the mint program for the feds. And my son did his first nine months. in the feds. Okay. With her. She wouldn't give him to me and my mom.
Starting point is 02:26:25 Me and my mom tried. We were literally on our way because I wouldn't be with her. Right. And like, I'm not going to lie and pretend and fuck with her head and then fucking, you know, redo that because, like, dude, we're just,
Starting point is 02:26:41 we're total, I can't, dude. That's not good, dude. I would never be good. But when you needed commissary money. Well, no, this is a different. This is my baby mom. I understand. You know, I was saying you could have stayed with her and sent her commissary money.
Starting point is 02:26:58 Well, no, I don't, I don't, I don't, no, me and my mom have helped her. Right. She don't have no family. Okay. So she has nobody, no family or anything. So what's, where's the kid? With her. In prison?
Starting point is 02:27:09 Or just, no, she got out. She got out. My son now is five. Okay. But, um, but, um, It goes into my content that I'm doing now My Facebook content So I don't want to spoil
Starting point is 02:27:25 Shit with that, all that That's like where I'm at right now I have to tell the Florida shit with So you had But you had a channel and everything And then you went to prison You lost a channel, you came back out You just started another one
Starting point is 02:27:47 Well, I had two channels when I was out. Right. I lost two channels and then I lost another. So, yeah, three. Okay. So you just started again. Yeah. This is the fourth platform that's monetized.
Starting point is 02:28:02 And I'm... Which will... Facebook. I'm doing Facebook content right now. Okay. I have my YouTube up. I have all my platforms up at Cozocosto. And my life story's up on all of them.
Starting point is 02:28:15 But I haven't been doing anything with my... YouTube. Like it's over, it's like 1.1,000. Right. Whatever. But like all I did is just throw up old shit. So something's up there. And then I haven't messed with it because what I want to do is a podcast. So I don't want a bunch of random shit on my channel when I know what I want to do. Right. So I'm waiting to get my house. You haven't put your your life store, the same life store you put on the other ones? You haven't put it on YouTube? Uh, yeah, it's, it's up on YouTube. but it's unfinished. Okay.
Starting point is 02:28:49 Like, it stops in the middle of my life. And I left it like that on the YouTube joint. All I was doing was when I first got out, was trying to build all my platforms up and then do what I wanted to do, if that makes sense. Right. Yeah. And then you want to do a podcast, right?
Starting point is 02:29:10 Yeah. And what do you want the podcast to be? I want to talk about, like, real events where it's back and forth with somebody, like where, because I always feel two opinions is like better than just, you know, you're one shit, but like current event shit that is going on
Starting point is 02:29:29 where it's your average Joe person talking about it. And something where you can also do, like my lives for some reason, I've always been good with lives. the interaction with people. I love it. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching.
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