Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - M&M's Employee Steals $26 MILLION (How He Did It)

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

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Eminems, Snickers, Skittles, all made by the same company. Paul steals $26 million. How much you did, yeah. That's worth it, bro. I'm doing it. Want to play a game? Is it a Pope wear a funny hat? He does.

And so... It's a frog's ass watertight? I love it. I love it. So here's what we're going to do. I got 12 stories for you today, true crime stories, some of which I investigated, most of which other FBI agents investigated. And then what we're going to do is tell the whole story.

story. And then at the end of that story, you got to guess what the sentence is for these people. And if you were within 25% or one year of the actual sentence, you get a point. If you get half the available points, you win the game. Got it? Yes. Okay, got it. Do you write the, how do you know the rules of the game?

How do I know the rules of the game? Yeah, because it's our game. I understand. But if somebody said, hey, what are the rules of the game? I would be like, well, it's been a moving target because the, the, the, the, the, The distance between the actual answer and the answer you have has been evolving over time. Why you focus it on the past? To create the illusion that you're good at this game.

Let it go. You're holding resentment. No, no, no, no. I'm not your competitor on this game. I'm here. This is solitaire. I'm just the dealer. It's not true.

I'm the dealer. It's not true. All right. All right. So normally I don't come with a theme. Normally it's a bit of a popery. This one's still a wide variety of different crazy crimes. People are going to love this.

But if there's a theme I had to put on, it would be kind of governmental and corruption in positions of power. Okay. Nice. And so we're going to start with a case that I investigated. I was an FBI special agent for 26 years. Right in the middle of all that, for seven years, I was an FBI agent in Honolulu, Hawaii. And we covered all the Hawaiian islands, some of which had a couple agents stationed there. But no one, there were no agents permanently stationed on the Hawaiian island of Kauai.

Have you been to Kauai? No. It's the garden aisle. It's lovely. It's probably of all the Hawaii. Island, the one with the most natural beauty. It's probably not the best one to go and like party. And it kind of shuts down at night.

But it's green and lush and beautiful, lots of waterfalls, lots of other stuff. And Kauai has its own police department. And so when I would travel to Kauai, so there's no agent, there's no FBI agents on Kauai. And so I covered Kauai, or white-collar crime matters at least, when I was in Honolulu. And it was a good deal for the agent because what I would do is I would wake up in the morning, fly to Kauai. and work all my cases on Kauai for like two or three days and stay in a luxury resort. Because there's not like a motel six on Kauai.

Everything's just a resort. That's what they do for a living. So it was a really good experience. Sometimes I'd bring another FBI agent with me, but if I couldn't find another FBI agent, I would literally just call the Kauai Police Department, and they would assign me a police detective to kind of pair up with who would take me in his car,

and we would kind of go run leads and interview people on cases. And it was great. They were so kind and professional, and there was no animosity between us. They were thrilled to be working with the FBI. I was thrilled to have a local detective who kind of knew his way around the island.

It was always a universally positive experience. Are there a lot of people on this island? Like, why is there not an agent? Population of Kauai is probably 30,000. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I may have that number off, but it's not a huge population,

and it doesn't necessarily make sense to put an agent there permanently. Honestly, there's just not enough crime there to keep an agent busy full-time. It's... Right. It's a pretty sleepy island. But so one day I get a call into my supervisor's office, he goes, we've got a problem.

I need to assign you a Kauai case, but there's a Kauai police officer that broke bed. And I was like, well, I have a really good relationship with the Kauai police officers. What's going on? He goes, it's an officer, I think she's a sergeant named Karen Kippua. I didn't know her. And I go, what did she do? You feel like Kappua is a lot of them named Kippua? It's a very common name.

It's a common first name, common last name. She was a lieutenant, actually. She'd been with the Kauai Police Department for 16 years, and what happened was she had stolen $75,000 in cash from, like, drug buy money, from like the safe where they keep the drug buy money. And evidently she had used it to pay off some debts. She had just accumulated a lot of debts. And so she was like on suspension or taken off the job or something like that. And I get assigned the case. and I'm not thrilled about this case

because I was like a liaison guy with the Kauai Police Department I don't want to like burn that bridge but got to do what you got to do so I head off to Kauai I take a look at all the evidence it's pretty clear what she did and so I call Karen Capua

and I said hey Karen this is Tom Simon with the FBI I was wondering if you can meet me at the Starbucks at the strip mall near the airport and she goes yeah sure I'll be there in a half hour she knows what about she doesn't ask I don't tell her.

She doesn't ask. She's not in custody. She's not in arrest. I don't have to Mirandize her then. But I thought she was, she doesn't even know she's under suspicion? Oh, no, no, she'd been suspended. I was going to say, I thought she was suspended.

She got something's up. Oh, she probably knew. She never asked me. Okay. Right? Okay. Right. And so I'm playing it cool.

And so invite her, hey, good to meet you. Have a seat. And I basically started asking her question. I got to talk to you about this $75,000 thing. And I got to tell you, she didn't, put up any resistance at all. She just confessed to having done it. It was a stupid mistake. I feel terrible. I was in a lot of debt. It was one of those crimes of opportunity. Was that anyone else involved? No, there wasn't. She signs a confession and shook her hand and left. So now

I got a confession. We got the evidence. We got everything else. Karen Capua does something actually very smart. Oh, the reason we were brought in as the FBI is they could have handled this internally with their internal affairs department at the kauai police department. But the kawai police chief was very sensitive to any perception of a conflict of interest and bias. And so that was the value ad that we were providing to the police chief was the idea, hey, we brought in an outside FBI agent who has no axe to grind here to do a fair and impartial investigation. And that way they can kind of say, hey, this is whole legit.

There's no thin blue line at work here. Does she get charged federally? Yeah. Oh, okay. Charge of federally with, because if you steal money from a government agency that receives federal grants and federal funds. You can take it over. Or you can't. Yeah.

Or does it automatically become that? No. No. It could, she could have been charged with larceny or, you know, embezzlement or whatever the local statute is. Or she could be, she could be charged with theft from a government, and governmental entity that accepts more, that received more than $10,000 in federal grant money. There's some name for it. That's the criteria. And so she did something, and so again, path of least resistance for her.

She was not putting up much of a fight. She was just very embarrassed by her behavior. She did something really smart. She paid back the money. Her family got together and kind of took up a collection, maybe got second mortgages on their houses. And before her sentencing, she paid back the $75,000. Okay. And the other thing I will say, she was very, she was beloved during the,

And it turns out when I met her, I had met her in the past because I was named Hawaii federal law enforcement officer of the year a couple years earlier. And she was the Kauai Law Enforcement Officer of the year. So you were both sitting at the same table at a banquet receiving an award. But I didn't remember her from that. You know, it wasn't like that. Left an impression. And so it's time for her sentencing.

Again, fantastic cop every step of the way, except for this one terrible thing that she did. and she paid back the money with her family's help, and she kind of confessed and pled guilty the whole, every step of the way. How much time you're going to give to Officer Karen Capua? That's funny. I should say a year, because at this point, it covers me all the way up to two years. I think, I'm going to say one year.

I actually think she's probably got less than six months. But so let's say a year. You're playing tactical. Okay. Is that your final answer? Yes. Okay. She got two months in prison, 60 days, followed by one year probation and a $25,000 fine.

Okay. So point for Matt. Seems reasonable because the problem is it's a position of trust. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You took advantage of a position in trust. And you stole money from the federal government. Like both of those are enhancements.

I understand there's no victims. There's, or there's, you know, the government's the victim. And there's a bunch of other things, but those are two enhancements. I just think the violating of your oath of office as a law enforcement officer is probably the biggest factor. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I think you have to do some time. Even though it's a low dollar amount, even though she paid the money back, I get it. Right. And the whole thing is that if your family could have come up with that money, why didn't you go to them to begin with?

I know. You know, so you're never going to be a law enforcement officer again. It was probably a great job on that little tiny island. It's a sweet gig. Yeah, come on that place. It's just gorgeous. It's like living in a screensaver there. All right.

So your 1 and 0, maybe you could run the table this time and get all 12 right. Wouldn't that be amazing? It's like bowling a 300. I feel like you'd be so irritated. I wouldn't. No, I'm on team met. I'm going to ride this shooting start at the top. Let's tell a story about a fellow by the name of Paul Welch.

He was a former cyber operations specialist. the U.S. Air Force. Pretty impressive. He then gets a job in Kent, Washington, with an energy company called Algus SDI. Basically, he's an IT manager for them. He works in this job for 13 years as the IT manager of this energy company. Okay? And then he begins embezzling. 13 years after, after he's been working there. It starts slowly. He starts using the company's Amazon business account to buy TVs and laptops for himself. Have these delivered to my house. Don't deliver it to the company.

I want a TV. It'll be a hundred inch TV. I don't know. You ever seen a hundred inch TV? They got them now at Costco. It's amazing. Huge, huh? Yeah, you need a big wall.

The company didn't notice, though. It was $43,000 in theft for that little scheme alone. Then he starts using the company credit card, and he begins making purchases for himself using that. Another $60,000. dollars. iPhones, airplane tickets for vacations. Again, this guy's not keeping some kid alive on life support. He's just living large. Okay. So six years of nickel and diming the company this way, he begins to escalate his frauds. He realizes that no one is watching the store at this company.

So he creates a fake computer services company and establishes an account with a payment processor and begins billing his employer for fake. IT consulting services that were never provided. And he's in the position to stamp approved and get these invoys, these fake invoices, paid using that company credit card. And everyone just assumed it was legit, right? Because he's the IT manager for the company. So lots of little tiki-tag frauds.

Three years of this, the company accounting department finally starts asking questions. And Paul keeps his cool and he provides them with explanations, purchase orders and invoices to add error of legitimacy to a scam. He's like, no, no, no, you don't understand. This is all perfectly legitimate. Here's this paperwork here. So the accounting department's concerns were escalated to upper management, who remained skeptical, and they fire Paul.

Paul, you're fired. Get out. He was able, the FBI gets called in to investigate, and the case agent is able to substantiate the whole thing as a false vendor scheme, and the loss is about a million dollars. cumulative from all these little scams that he was running. Okay. Federal grand jury indicts him on fraud charges.

Paul, even though he was cocky when he was confronted by the bosses, comes in on his hands and knees pleading guilty to these fraud charges. A million bucks, probably over the course of damn near a decade. False vendor scheme using the company credit card, basically buying stuff for him. How much you're going to give this guy? No criminal history. He used to be with the Air Force. Maybe he's a hero.

He's a hero in my eyes. Let's see. I mean, sophisticated means, about one victim, a million dollars. No criminal record, pled guilty. I'm thinking like three years, like 36 months. 36 months? You're going to put this guy away for three years after he served his nation? Yeah.

You're not impressed with his Air Force service? I think, I mean, at 36 months. Three years. All right, all right, I'll stop. You always stop, I'll stop, and it makes for good radio. Final answer to them, three years? Yeah. All right, well, 18 months.

Oh. I tried to help you. Try to help you. There goes your perfect game. You're pitching a no-hitter until you ran into that one. Until number two. You wouldn't let me help this little old lady across the street here. Yeah.

Do you get into local politics at all? Like who's in your county council and the school district and stuff like that? I think Jane somebody's the mayor, but I only know that because when I get on the monorail in Tampa General, it says, hi, this is Jane Castaway or whatever her name is. I don't know where I like you. You know, mayor of Tampa, welcome to. Yeah, that's the only reason I don't even know. I think the most thankless job in local government has to be being on a school board. Most school boards don't have a whole lot of money.

Right. I look at how much teachers get paid, and it is so shockingly low. Like, are you ever surprised by that about teacher salaries and stuff? I think they've gone up considerably since when I was a kid, but yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess you get summers off, but anyway, so there's a school district in California. You know, I'm shocked at how many female teachers they are catching having sex with their students at this point. They're always white hot ladies, too.

It's outrageous. Did you see the one? Did I tell you this one? I want to hear your story more than I want to hear mine. This was brutal. This guy's like the high school quarterback. And they've got the text messages between he and the teacher he's having sex with. Is he like 17?

I think he's like, yeah, he's like seven. They did it for like a year or so, a year and a half, two years. and he's brutal to her. One, she's sending him money. He's constantly asking him for money. She's, and he says, one of the texts is like, he's like, yo, in my sophomore year, he's like, I wouldn't have touched you. He's like, you were way too big at that point. He said, you were like, you were a tubby or something.

And she's like, all right, be nice. And he's like, yeah, he's like, like, you were a fatty. Like, I wouldn't have touched you back then. But now, and she's like, well, you know, I lost. some late and he's like yeah and she says you know you know what I'm talking about and they're going back and forth like it's not exactly that conversation it's that kind of a conversation but it's it's in whatever the vernacular it's also clear that he's not the he's not in any sense well it's yeah and he's not he's not he's not interested and then he's like hey can you send me some send me some money

and she's and she's like yeah and then she goes they go back and forth and she goes you know and then she says she's like like you're telling me you wouldn't even tried he is absolutely not He's nagging her. He's like a pickup artist. It's ridiculous. And then she says, you know, I'm starting to feel like maybe if I wasn't sending you the money, we wouldn't even be having this relationship. He goes, I don't think we should find out. And I mean, you know, it's just like he's just non-stop completely fucking this.

And this chick is into him. Yeah. And it's, do we know how old she was? She's like fucking 27 years old, 30 years old. And he's just, and he's brutal, brutal. And it's just like, this kid is, he's the fucking goat. It's so funny the way we look at those stories because, yeah, the teacher's usually really good looking in these things. And the kid is, you know, clearly having the time of his life.

Yeah. And then suddenly she's the... Right, when she goes to prison, right, she's like a sex offender and, oh, this is also horrible. But, and all the guys are like, yeah, well, I go, I mean, why did this happen when I was in teenager? I would have jumped in this, yeah. But if the tables were turned and it's a 30-year-old dude, He's a sick of, 20 years. Exactly.

Where's the wood. What the fuck are you talking about? Throw him in a wood chipper. Yeah. Yeah. It's the devil standard. It's horrible. Yeah.

So let's talk about a school district, substantially less interesting story than a seductive lady, although I wish I had a seductive lady story. The Patterson School District in California is straddles Stanasloss and Santa Clara counties. And we have two subjects to this one. But the good news for you, Matt Cox, is that they both got the same sentence. Okay.

Jeff Mengay and Eric Drabert. Jeff is the chief business officer of the school district. Eric, his buddy, is the IT director, right? So two very high levels at the school district. Together they concoct a scheme. They set up a fake company called Sencal Tech in Nevada, Nevada, using the fictitious name of Frank Barnes. This guy, there's a fictitious guy, Frank Barnes,

who owns a company called Sencaltech, and they begin billing the school district for non-existent IT services. Kind of like that last story. Yeah. A false vendor scheme. But we have here some collusion, right? We have the IT manager

and the business manager who've decided to be partners in this thing together. One of them is saying, yeah, they're providing us with great IT services and the other guy is the one who says, yep, pay them.

It's the perfect storm. Perfect story. Yeah, really pretty good. Yeah. They were able to split $1.5 million from the school district, right, which is always complaining about not having enough money for the kids. But the boys weren't done, Matt Cox.

They weren't done. They used school money to buy Bitcoin mining computers. You know what those are. We talked about those previous episode, right? You know, Danny's got like five or ten of them. Yeah. They're an energy suck. Yeah.

But these guys are smart because the whole thing with Bitcoin mining computers is that they suck so much energy, they'd make your electric bill go bananas. And so if the price of Bitcoin's high, it's worth it. And if the price of energy is low, it's worth it. But when the price of energy is high and Bitcoin's low, then maybe it's not even profitable to run a Bitcoin mining computer. So where they plug them in the, in the janitor's room at the school? Bingo. Absolutely. They hook them up in the school district offices using taxpayer electricity to mine cryptocurrency. Nice. Pretty clever. They then transfer the mined Bitcoin to their own. crypto wallets, of course, to enjoy this pretend money for themselves.

It's really a great money laundering scheme, right? At the time, the Bitcoin they mined was valued at about a quarter million dollars. And I'm talking real U.S. dollars. And so then they ended up spending a bunch of that embezzled money. Jeff was a luxury car guy. And so he bought a Ferrari 458, an Audi R8, and a Corvette Z-06. That doesn't raise flags for our schoolteacher. to be pulling up in a far-arm.

School district. School district. Eric. He was just playing them, paying him what's appropriate. Yeah. Eric only got to enjoy about 276,000 of the money,

and he used most of that loot to remodel his vacation cabin. It was important for him to have a vacation cabin. And you want that vacation cabin to be nice. I can tell you, most of my teachers had vacation cabinet. Yeah. Yeah.

And so it was an audit that ended up revealing the scams because the school district received federal grant funds from the U.S. Department of Education. The FBI gets cold, and to investigate, both men plead guilty to theft of federal funds. And despite receiving different amounts of money,

one guy got a lot more than the other guy. The car guy made a fortune on this thing. The other guy got a couple hundred gram. They both got the same sentence because they couldn't have done it without the other. And so, again, so $1.5 million on the false vendor scheme. And then they mined, you know, $250,000 in Bitcoin. And so, but, you know, that only caught, it's hard, difficult to figure out what the loss is to that because you'd have to figure out the electrical bill and what it would have been otherwise. But those are your two data points.

30 months. 30 months in prison for each guy. Yeah. We're just plugging a computer into the wall. Stop. I guess we're going to put a speed round. All right. Final answer is 30 months.

30 months. The correct answer, however, is 18 months. I don't think you're there. No. 18? I don't know. Am I? That's a year away.

What is 30 months? I'm a year away. 30 months is two and a half years. 18 plus 12 is 30. Oh, so he gets it. Yeah, because I'm a year away. Oh, yeah, the rear rule. That's right. We're not doing percentages anymore.

It was funny. I told Jess, I said I got recognized three times at the sandwich shop. I can't tell you how irritated Tom was by it. She was like, who are your favorite episodes of Matt Cox's show? Tell me about some episodes you enjoyed. I am surprised everyone who's come up has not been like, Tom. Aren't you that guy that does that thing?

Well, congratulations, ma'am. We need to go somewhere nicer with Tom. That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah. Your fans are at Burns. At Ruth Christie. Yes.

My fans are at the sandwich shop. And by the guys. And by the guys. For this course of the meal. Yeah. That's good. I'm proud of you. You deserve it.

You got a sweet tooth. Yes. What type of candy is you like? You're at the movie theater. They got every kind of candy. What kind of candies do you have lost 10 pounds, by the way? Yeah, look great. I'm 175 right now.

You look awesome. You look awesome. I was going to say something. What's your candy of choice? Candy? Yeah, like you're at the movie theater. You've got a sweet tooth. You're in that mood.

You know, maybe it's not popcorn night. You want to have some candy. What's your candy choice? Like, like Snickers bars. Like a Snickers. Yeah. Yeah, Snickers or like Hershey's with almonds. Okay.

Chocolate guy, huh? Yeah. Yeah. What about the fruity stuff, like a Skittles? Yeah, I'm not really. I'm not really a sour. Really, like, sour stuff. You a mint guy?

Do you, like, chew gum for your minty taste or take an altoid? No, I don't really chew gum. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I tend to bite my lip and stuff. I'll bite my side of my mouth. It's horrible. It sucks.

It's the worst. Eminem's, Snickers, Skittles. Peanut Eminemes. Okay. Altoyed, mints. Not really. Double mint gum. All made by the same company.

Yeah. Mars, Inc. It used to be like Eminem Mars. So we're going to talk about the Mars company right now. They had a guy, this seems like a kind of job that you and I could have in a future life. It seems Paul Steed. He's a sugar expert for the company. Sounds good, right?

Yeah. What do you do? I'm a sugar expert. It's a sweet gig. What's the guy who does? What's the name of the profession where you're like a, do you do something with chocolate? A chocolatier? Yeah. That's, you know who had that job?

Jeffrey Dahmer. He was a, he worked the night shift. at a chocolate factory where they made candy bars or something. He was the overnight chocolatier that would test the chocolate before they made it. Psychopath. Paul's bad. He's not that bad. So Paul's thing was he basically, sugar is a commodity, right?

So he's the guy who would source the sugar that goes into the company for manufacturing all these candies that you love. So Mars has a subsidiary. called Mars Chocolate North America. Okay. Paul incorporates a fake company with that same initials, MCNA, and he establishes a bank account in the name of MCNA. Can you imagine how big the checks are that they're cutting?

Oh, my God. Nor is they're not like $10,000. So what Paul does. Paul begins transferring money from the Mars parent company to his fake MCNA, creating the illusion that it's going to the real Mars chocolate North America. And to the internal auditors, it just looked like he was moving cash around to existing entities. Right. Right.

But it's actually going into his own pocket. Yeah. No, I understand. Yeah, I get it. This goes on for a decade. Good for Paul. Paul steals $26 million over 10 years, using. using this scam.

Sugar expert pays well. He used the money to buy a $2.3 million mansion in Connecticut and a $2 million ranch in Argentina. Eventually, an internal accountant at Mars began to question the validity of these transfers and the whole scheme

began to unravel. The company calls in the FBI and the IRS to investigate and arrest Paul on fraud charges. Now, the government is able to seize $18 million parked in one of Paul's bank accounts.

And as we speak, they're working on forfeiting his Connecticut mansion. Okay, we're taking the whole mansion. Okay. Right? But even given that, how much time do you think Paul got after he pled guilty? So what was he charged with?

Do you think? Wire fraud. What was the dollar or not? 26 million dollars is how much he stole. Again, there was a recovery, but recovery through forfeiture. No criminal history, right? No, I'm sure not.

But like a decade worth of theft. Play guilty. You did. Acceptance of responsibility. Yeah, yeah. Timely plea, acceptance. It is sophisticated means. Definitely.

Took a position of trust. Probably, I'd say, took advantage of a position of trust. Without question. But what was there's one victim? Well, embezzlement cases are one victim, really? You also get an enhancement if you steal more than a million dollars from one institution. I think he cleared that. Yeah.

I don't know, 26 million dollars, man. It's like a quarter of a hundred. I almost said it was a quarter of a billion. That's not right. I don't know. I think typically like these, it's 10 or 12 years or something like that. Let's say 11 years. 11 years in prison for a nonviolent crime involving sugar.

120 months. 120 months. You're sticking with that? It's $26 million. It's a lot of money. It is. I'm not questioning the amount of money. It is.

It is. Yeah. It is. It is. 26. I mean, I think 120 months, 10 years. 10 years? 120 months.

Yeah. All right. That's your final answer? Yeah. Correct answer? 63 months. Fucker. My God.

That's it? That's worth it, bro. Like with good time now because of that, because of the way they're doing it, it's almost, now you're almost doing like, like, it would happen as soon as I fucking leave to. He's coming home to an empty, 50%. He's coming home to an empty bank account and he doesn't have his mansion in Connecticut any longer. What about Argentina? I don't know what happened to the Argentina ranch or the federal government's ability to seize real estate in Argentina.

Probably not. I don't think you can, the government of Argentina is not going to say, yeah, come on in. We will accept your seizure warrant. This guy's going to do three years. He's going to do three and a half years. Really, three, because he's going to go to a halfway house. He's going to do three years. Wow, that's worth it, man. That's worth it. He'll do three years because of the good time and he'll get some halfway house. God, if he goes up there and says he's got a drug problem, he can get a year knocked off from that. He could be out in two years. You could be out in two years for 26 mill. I'm doing. doing it. All right. Well, good luck. Right now. Get the job as a sugar expert. That's the problem.

I probably couldn't get that job. Yeah. I'd be eating all this food and stuff and it'd be, they'd come in one day and I'd be laying on the conference table with a big old fat stomach and peanut M&Ms all around. Like Augustus Gloop in the Charlie the chocolate factory. All right. So, uh, how's your speaking business going lately? You just got back from Ohio to speak.

Yeah, I just got back from Ohio. Who were you speaking to there? The, the, is it, maxed out conference, but they spell max, multiple X's? Double X's, yeah. And there was a bunch of speakers there. And so I spoke there. Was it a themed conference or like a motivational speech? What was the, like motivation?

Like, here's what I, my understanding was that the whole thing was designed for real estate agents. That's what I thought. But obviously I told myself that because that's not what it was. at all. So, you know, somebody asks, like, oh, because the guy who runs it is, is a big real estate guy. I shouldn't say big real estate guy. I think he's like five, five. He's shorter than me, so I pick on him. Yeah. I had no idea how much people enjoy picking on, on me until I met Todd. So you've developed zero empathy. No empathy. And he doesn't, here's a thing. Me, I kind of laugh and giggle about it. He doesn't think it's funny, bro. Oh, really? You got no sense of humor about

conscious about his heart. Oh, I'm talking about the shire and, you know. I'm talking about all kinds of stuff. So, but, yeah, we went. So it was really just a motivational thing where he got a, but. How big his crowd? I'd say it was two or probably 200, maybe 300 people. Good.

And it's in his building, which is in a Dayton, Ohio, by the way, which he painted all black. So it's the black, I mean, it's the, the bat cave. And like, I was looked at this thing and I thought, you'd die if you painted a building black in Florida. It would set itself on fire. And I'm like, the sun must never come. I can't believe that he painted that. But it's in his place.

It's on the first floor. And I mean, he's got it. It is set up amazing. That place was amazing. And you come out, it was a whole thing. It really was very much like the cyber convention I told you about where you come out. There's like a fog machine and they've got light. It was the whole appeal, the idea we're going to get these awesome speakers from different, different, and you're just paying.

to see the speakers. It's not like this is a conference for shoe salesmen or concrete business. And it was the first time I did. Yeah, exactly. It was the first time I did one on just social media. So I told about 10 minutes of my story and then I talked for about 20 minutes about getting out and starting the channel. I took all the credit. Nobody in that audience even knows there is a Colby. It's all of me. He's the guy behind the guy. Yeah. And I got a guy that he does some stuff. He's a virtual assistant from India. So I do the whole thing. And then it was like I did a Q&A and then they asked questions.

And everybody asked about my story the first 10 minutes. Like nobody wanted it like the soul, which to me is like, but really it was to say that was geared towards like I was behind the eight ball. Like I had a horrible reputation. And I've managed to shift that whole thing and build a social media. without running from it. Right, without running from it, just by being honest and leaning into it. I'm like, and what, you know, only can you imagine how much easier of a time you would have being a licensed real estate agent or a broker or a stock broker or this, but you have to be honest.

So I did the whole thing, but then when it came time, Q&A's, it's like, how did you get the passport? You know, how did you? And it was like, okay, well, that was a waste of 20 minutes. Cool, yeah, I've been doing speeches. It's kind of like the spring is a big time for speeches and the fall is a big time for speeches. I don't think there's a whole lot going on in the summer as far as big conferences. So I've been on the circuit lately doing dental groups and medical groups like big conventions. I just got back from Salt Lake City to the national, say, the American Association of Endodontists, the root canal doctors, massive convention.

Like filled with dentists and every dentist, you know, like 50-something-year-old guy like you and I have a successful practice. brought like his 10 pretty girl dental assistants to come along to this conference with them at Salt Lake City. And there's the amount of money thrown at these dental professionals by by sponsors and people trying to sell them, you know, like office equipment. So the sponsors were absolutely just lavishing them with parties and booze and things like that at night. But I got to speak at the conference, which is kind of cool. They must make a lot of money, right? Like I know I've had some dental work and it's really. It's insane.

Yeah, I sat through a couple of their dental speeches because I was like, I want to understand what the vibe is of the speeches, even though my speech is like, you know, how to prevent embezzlements in your practice. And sort of amazing what they're doing, like a root canal and the, you know, and the, I don't know, it was interesting to me. But the night before they, I spoke, I went to a, a sponsored party. It must have spent $100,000 on this party with like all this food and a thousand people in the room, a live band. the girls are dancing and all that. And I thought, well, I don't know anyone here. I'm not, like, connected. I'm not like a party guy.

I'm not going to go on the dance floor. I'm alone to start, like, flailing my arms around dancing. And so I started going up to small groups, mostly women, because it was just easier to do it than with dudes and say, hey, listen, you guys, I'm speaking tomorrow at 10 a.m. I'm worried no one's going to go. I want to invite you personally to come to my speech. And they go, what are you talking about?

Because they think I'm a dentist or something like that. I go, I'm a retired FBI, and I'm going to be talking about fraud and dental practices. And they go, oh. Yeah. Not like horny, but like, that's something interesting. I have to just, different. I have to be more interesting than a root canal.

Yeah. And I go, it's a high bar. I go, I go, you never know it from this conversation, but I'm actually very funny as well. And so I get to the speech. I get to the room the next day. And the room holds 300. And but I got like 120 people there. Yeah.

And which made it look like the room was half empty. But for some people, what they would see was half full. And this, and I basically just did what I do on your show. In fact, I even gamified it the way I did where I would tell a story that comes from a medical or dental practice on how a rip-off happen. And then I would pick someone out of the audience to guess the sentence. And then everyone else gets to raise their hands, okay, how many people got the over on that? How many people got the under on that?

And so that was the way I kind of interacted with the crowd. And it ended up being a lot of fun. And the reviews I got were great. So nice. Do you tell the story about the Trump dentist? No, I didn't bother about I was talking more about embezzlement. I did talk about a story about

I told a story here a couple episodes ago about the dentist who got his wife to take the rap for him. Oh, yeah. Did he divorce or something? No, no, no, no. Quite the opposite. Like, they both get charged with stealing money from the parent company that owns their practice and she's the back office lady.

He's the dentist. And they made a decision among them that they were going to ask the government to drop the charges against him so the wife could go to prison. I set it up asking you and Colby if you would go to prison for your wives. Right. And so I told that story, which is really entertaining. There are people in the audience who actually knew that couple and knew that dentist.

Whoa. But this is another story I'm telling. And I actually going to a speaking at a convention up in Hilton Head, a medical one. Okay, so our character in this one is a dental student. I'm sorry, not dental, a medical student. He's going to be Dr. Walter Sittnick. And he's working his, he's doing something very smart. He's working his way through med school to become a MD.

But while he's working his way through med school, he's actually serving as the bookkeeper for a well-established medical practice in New Jersey. Okay? So he's going to med school at night. He's working as a bookkeeper during the day. It's a great idea had he played it legit because you get to actually see how the back office operates in a medical practice, which is the gap in knowledge, right? Med school teaches these guys how to do medical miracles,

but it doesn't necessarily teach them how to be good business people. But Walter had his eye on the prize. Problem is Walter decided to use his position as a bookkeeper to steal from the practice. Here's how he did it. He would steal blank checks. And then he would forge the doctor's signature. And then he would mail those checks to pay his own credit card bills. That was the heart of his scheme.

And when I do consulting with any business and I talk about the anti-fraud plans in my speech, I talk about how these medical offices will move heaven and earth to lock down their opiates and their expensive equipment and everything else. But they leave the checkbook just like sitting in an unlocked drawer. Right. Right. They don't seem to understand that the check stock is an asset that's worth every penny that you have in the bank. And so it's one of the lessons I impart to these doctors is treat your checkbook as if it's an asset of your company.

Keep it under lock and key in the hands of somebody who is, you know, you know, going to be trusted or at least segregate the duties and all that. So when he would run out of checks, Walter would just order more checks in the practice's name. Like, hey, we're out of checks, get order more. And he continues, he was in also a position because he's the bookkeeper to falsify the accounting records of the practice to conceal his embezzlement. Make sense? Yes. Okay.

He, this wasn't some one-time moral lapse or slip up. This was five years of deliberate, repeated deception. him. The doctor's livelihood, the practices, funds are all just siphoned off while Walter is advancing through medical school, getting closer and closer to being a real doctor. He steals $500,000 that way, writing checks mostly to pay off his credit card. The scheme unravels when the doctor finally sees the unauthorized checks clearing the bank account and finally begins asking the right questions.

FBI's South Jersey office gets called in to launch the investigation. Walter pleads guilty to fraud. charges. Don't know if he's going to get to be a doctor or not. But that's it. So $500,000. Well, he was in a doctor anyway. He had to still had to go to Mexico School. Well, he was working his way to med school. He had not graduated as all this was happening. Yeah. Yeah, so he would have to, yeah, great. And this is a fraud charge. So he probably would be able to be a doctor at some point. Really? You can be a convicted felon of a financial crime and still be a doctor. I knew a pulmonary specialist that had already spoken with like a lawyer that

specialized in it and said and he was there for overbilling like which one is federal Medicare and Medicaid are both federal oh are they ones for old people ones for um ones for poor people okay so he had overbilled he'd overbilled one of them and ended up doing like three years and and his he'd already been explained his lawyer who spent he already contacted a lawyer talked to him the lawyer said no no when you get out and you get off of probation you've completed it he said we'll go back in front the board and we'll get your license back he said you will never be you will never be doing uh billing medicare again he said he will never he said that's not going to happen again he said but you can work in a hospital you as long as you don't have anything to do with medical you can be hired by our really so

walter could be a doctor he could probably be a doctor yeah yeah um so listen and i know several doctors that were found guilty uh in um for pill mills that after they completed their probation they became doctors again now they're never going to get their their DEA license to... Yes, they can't write prescriptions. Right. They got to work with another doctor who actually signed the prescriptions. Right.

But so, yeah, there's, you know, and that makes, and listen, doctors are not, that's not, that's reasonable to me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're still, you still have that knowledge and I think that doctors are in short supply, and I don't think that that's something that... Yeah, I just, I'm probably right. I just worry about a person whose moral compass is so jacked up like, oh, Walter here, um, not wanting to put me through medical procedures to, so he can make money from a

necessarily. I just feel that there's something broken with his moral compass, and I need to be able to trust my doctor and know that... Well, then I think you put it out there that he was convicted of a felony, and if you're that concerned, you can look into it and determine if you want to hire him or not. Yeah, but who knows that? Like, I mean... No, that's... I guess, yeah. So you're not that word, then. I guess not. I guess not. How much time are you going to give Walter, though? Five years, $500,000. I mean... I wouldn't even say it, like 18 months. Year and a half?

Yeah. Or half million bucks? Yeah. All right. Yeah, he's got no medical. I mean, he's got no, yeah, yeah, this is not tons of victims. There's not, I mean, it is sophisticated means, but I think it's, I think it's fine. I think that's reasonable, 18 months.

Okay. How much do you get? You get 24 months. You're within a year. Uh-huh. Mm. In your face. Not my face.

What's the score? right now. Three of five. All right. Ooh, three. Winning. Winning. This is good.

Yeah, you're winning. Drinking that tiger's blood. Is it, what is that? What is that? Charlie Sheen? I didn't even know what that meant. What a real current pop culture reference? Winning.

Yeah. All right. So, I function better on crack. That was my favorite one. He was like, he's unapologetic. Yeah. It's amazing.

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We still have some Red Bull in there. You used to have Monsters, I think, right? Yeah, we had monsters. No. That was another podcast. Uh-huh. I'm seeing other podcasts. Yeah.

Yeah. You ever do Celsius? I don't. I've heard of it. Yeah. I've tried it. I've tried it. It's like bubbly water.

Right? Yeah. I'm not a fan. No. Celsius has 11% of the worldwide market share for energy drinks. It's insane. When my daughter, my beloved daughter, was 15, 16 years old and finally gets her Instagram, she's got a couple hundred followers, friends from school, friends of friends type stuff.

Celsius reaches out for her saying, would you like to be a brand ambassador? 16-year-old girl. She's like, what does that mean? And there you go, we will send you a case of Celsius to your home every month, and you just need to do X number of stories and X number of reels showing the Celsius. Right. And to try to make it spread among other teenage kids. Or some free Celsius?

Yeah. That you don't get any money? No money. You get free Celsius and you get to say that you're an influencer with a client. That is kind of cool for a young kid. Mm-hmm. I'm sponsored by Celsius. The other thing you get to develop is a debilitating addiction to caffeine.

They're willing to trade that. An absolute. Like right when your hormones are kicking in, you want to make sure that when you wake up in the morning, you have a splitting headache until you get a Celsius in you. It really makes for a pleasant teenage kid. 54-year-old Steve George of Parkland, Florida. He worked in the finance department of Celsius. Okay.

I guess it's based on there. And he's privy in his job in the finance department to lots and lots of inside information about this company's financial state. He knows stuff before the public even knows about it, Matt Cox. Insider trading. We're getting there. And thanks to teenage caffeine addicts, like my kid, Celsius was kicking ass.

The reported quarterly earnings were about to far exceed Wall Street expectations. They were going to blow away the numbers that everybody was expecting. Time to buy. But no one knew this except for a handful of corporate insiders, including Steve. Okay. So the day before Celsius was to release their gangbusters earnings to the public. Steve hops on his brokerage account, and he buys 20,000 shares and 300 stock options of Celsius. Oh, Steve.

Steve, which is not how you do it. You go to your sister's, you go to your sister-in-law, and you go to one of her kids and whose boyfriend, who happens to be 18 or 19, you have him open an account and he buys it. 24 hours after Steve makes these moves. No, the FBI's knocking on the door? No, he's got $1.6 million burning a hole in this pocket. How much money did he buy?

What did he? 20,000 shares and 300 stock options of Celsius. At how much? We don't know how much the share price was, but I mean, yeah. Whatever. We put in a few hundred thousand and ended up with one point something. $1.6 million because he knew something you didn't, Matt Cox. That's the only reason he made that money.

And the day after that, he dumped the shares and options. And he was a true instant millionaire. Nice. If you hold the stock, you own the stock, it has a value, it's liquid and all that. But you don't really get to enjoy the money until you sell it, right? Yeah, good for him. Well, to a point, Matt Cox. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

But Steve should have known that there are government agencies out there, keeping an eye on stuff like that. And Steve finds himself staring into the face of an FBI criminal investigations. He gets fired by Celsius. You're gone. Get out of here. Don't even bring a drink home with you. Can I have a case of...

Nick it out, Steve. Exactly. Katie Simon's drinking at all. He gets charged of securities fraud, and he pleads guilty in federal court to securities fraud. The profits, all being seized by the government. It doesn't even get to enjoy the new stevia-influed flavors with green tea extract that the company was about to break. That's upsetting.

How much time you're going to give Steve for this dastardly insider trading case? Maybe six years. Six years? Six years? Six years. Come on. Five years. Five years. There's an argument to be made that gets made to me a lot that this is a really a victimless crime. A victimless crime. It makes me want to go like 30. There's no one you can point to who's the loser in this. I'm going 36. Another point that gets made, that gets made every time I do an insider trading story. Well, Congress does this all the time.

They do. They do. And I always say the same thing. Congress writes the laws and it's not illegal when they do it. Horrible. Horrible. It's horrible. But it's not like, why don't you arrest Nancy Pelosi for this?

I am right after you. She's next. Well, it's not a crime. Steve. It's not a crime, right? We're talking about you, Steve. I find it reprehensible. But yeah, so Steve, let's get back to him because that's what those conversations really about.

It's not about Nancy Pelosi's misdeeds. Even though she might be in the thumbnail. Now, not that she said that. 48 months. 48 months. Gosh, 48 months. It's ridiculous. You're going to take this guy away from his kids for four years?

36 months. They seized his money, too. They got the government made money on this deal because there's not even a victim you can give the restitution too, right? Oh, that's such a scumbag move. who I hate the government. You and I made money on this thing as taxpayers. Yeah, I'm sure that really trickled down. My taxes are going to be a little less this year because of it.

Because of the windfall. 36 months. I think a judge would be like, first of all, he really, it needs to be, there needs to be a slight enhancement for stupidity of just doing it in your own name, not even making an attempt. And doing it in three consecutive days. Yeah. Right. On day minus one, you buy the stock. The announcement comes out. Day, like, I would do it quick. They won't notice. Yeah. Yeah. They will notice. Yeah. They will notice. Yeah. They run software on that stuff. You're at 36 months, three years. You're going to give this guy three years, breaking rocks on the hot sun.

Yeah, 36 months. This guy's out in like a year. This guy's out, this guy's in a halfway house in a year. I'd say 18. I'd say 36 months. 36 months. Final answer? Yeah. The correct answer is 13 months. We're talking beverages. You got a ghost in your hands. Peach. Peach ghost. All right, so we just talked about Celsius.

What do you think about these? And so that's an energy drink, and the ghost you're drinking is energy drink. What do you think about these kind of enhanced waters? Yeah, they have a slight taste to them, right? I don't know. Not a fan? No, not really. Yeah.

What was the one that 50 cent had? What was, I don't know, I mean? Vitamin water. Vitamin water. I know he just made a ton of money on it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, not a lot of vitamins in there.

Okay. Do you remember one that was called WANU water? W-A-N-U? No. It was going to be the next big thing in beverages. Can you imagine in a nutrient-infused flavored water with prebiotic fiber and vitamins in a variety of flavors? Can you imagine?

Wano water. It was the brainchild and CEO. of Todd Ogara from Austin, Texas, who was not only a beverage guru, but he was also amazing at raising money from investors to make Wanoo Water go gangbusters. Okay. Problem is... Was there really a Wano Water? Oh, there was.

Okay. There was. When he's out there soliciting investments for the company, Todd told investors that he had a history of success in the beverage industry, and he was sitting on giant purchase orders from Walmart. This is going to be like a Walmart level success. Right. Untrue.

He said that Walmart did have a few cases of Wano Water in one or two of the stores. He stuck it in. He said that multiple private equity firms had committed to large investments. And if you invested right now in Wano Water, Matt Cox, you could get in on the ground floor of this next big thing. I mean, the main ingredients, water. Yeah. Pretty cheap. All this is just nonsense coming from a straight-up hustler.

But he had the receipts. He produced to his investors doctored emails, fake term sheets, and bogus bank statements to give them a sense of comfort that this company was going gangbusters. This is like me grabbing like five of my Garth Brooks books and going and sticking them on the shelves of Barnes & Noble and then picking a picture of me leaning up against the Barnes & Noble's

with the books there. and then a week later some guy goes up to the counter and they're scanning the cars. Where'd you get this? It's on the shelf. No, we don't sell this. So, Todd, because he is a great salesman, if nothing else, is able to raise $10.3 million from 50 individual investors who believed the lies that he was presenting them about Wano Water and the success. The company flopped, as you can imagine.

and America is not swimming in Wano Water, as you may have noticed. The victim investors contact the Securities and Exchange Commission, who is a great investigative agency but has no criminal authority, so they refer the case to my former colleagues at the FBI for a subsequent criminal investigation of Todd. He pleads guilty to fraud charges relating to his investor misrepresentations. If you are sitting on any of the few cases of Wano Water that actually made it into stores.

It is a collector's item now. Cool. It may actually go in a museum of fraud history next to the naked statue of Matthew Cox. Did you know, we'll get back to that. Did you know that there is a serial killer museum or, I don't know, what do you call it? Exhibit, exhibit that is going around the country right now.

I think right now it's in, it might be in New York, where it's going, you want to look it out, serial killer exhibit, it's going around the country. and I can't wait to go to it because at some point he's got to come to Tampa because at some point you should do a video on it

well you should actually like do a video walk through and all that for your podcast wouldn't that be cool like they've got all these different serial killer things I'm not sure I don't know

I haven't really looked into it I just saw a couple of TikToks like Dahmer's refrigerator right how cool um all right so here's what we got Tadogara

uh 10.3 million dollars from 50 investors all of whom were lied to to induce them to invest. So you're saying 50 victims. I'm going to say, so is it 50 or more is in enhancement? I'm going to say 50.

Yeah, I need to go look at the guidelines with that. Yeah. I'm going to say 50. I'm going to say 50 sophisticated schemes. All of these are sophisticated means. 50 victims, over 10 million. I wonder if this guy had a criminal history. I don't get that impression.

So, you know what's so funny. is that if you look into it, like, is it just a straight scam? Or was he really trying to make this work? Well, that's the thing. They don't really talk about what he did with the money. I bet you that the money actually went into trying to make Wano Water work while also paying himself a sizable CEO salary. That's what I'm going to guess.

But he's also, you're also lying to people. You can't separate people from their money through false pretenses, no matter how good your intentions are. Correct. So, I don't know. I think, you know, there's some. water out there. I'm sure some of the investors got a case or two delivered to them that make them feel

good. But it looked delicious from the ads I saw. Yeah. I mean, the claims are kind of amazing. Prebiotic fiber and vitamins in a variety of flavors. It's nutrient-infused flavored water. You definitely have to shake it up before you drink it. Yeah.

So that's just going to just sink to the bottom. The melting vitamin. I'd say, yeah, I think. Imagine how regular are you? would be after drinking a water and water with that prebiotic fiber. Let's say seven years? Seven years. How many months is seven years? Seven times 12 is 80 something? 84 months. 84 months? I have this one in months. 84 months? Final answer? Yeah. Correct answer is 51 months. So you do understand, I know before, I know I've lost before he even says it because as soon as I'm, I say something and he's like,

You sure if I don't answer? Great. 51 month and immediately. Well, we belavored that story a lot. If we start the stopwatch and end the stopwatch in each story, that one got its time because of the serial killer diversion. So we're in a middle of a national discussion about what to do with illegal aliens in our country. I'm just joking. No, and that's my question for you.

That's my question. They're going to go back. Whether they've committed a crime or not? Of course. They entered the country illegally. They're here illegally? No. No. It's to go back. Go do it the right way. It's fine.

Okay. So honest guy raising a family, swinging a hammer. He's just not legal in this country. He's got to go back. He's got to go back. He can take his kids with him. No, I mean, listen, people, listen, when I broke the law, I didn't get any breaks. Nobody was happening. Nobody cared about my rights. Nobody cared about, oh, well, you know, he was just trying to make some money. No. He came over here legally. I go, well, yeah, but I had some kids and they're Americans. Okay, well, then you can leave them here in foster care. Oh, no, I want them with me.

Well, then you can bring them with you. You know, but no, the answer is no. Listen, how many hundreds, if not millions of people are in camps right now waiting to get in this country legally, but you step across the border, go get a job putting on roofs, knock up some chick, have a couple of kids, and say, oh, well, I'm here. No, it's not fair. No, it is absolutely fair. Well, it wasn't fair was you stepping across the board.

order or lying on your application or coming in here. Oversaying your visa. Oversaying your visa or no, no, no. And you know what's funny is how brutal other countries are. To their illegal. To their illegal. Like, they don't have a problem. Like, why should we be overly compassionate with people that have broken the laws

and are here and taking advantage of, you know, our system and welfare system and on food stay? All the other, all the things that they're entitled to. Absolutely not. Okay. Absolutely not. You start worrying about Americans. All right. Not an unreasonable position.

Should it be a crime to steal from illegal aliens? To steal from? It should be a crime. Yeah. Okay. I'm not saying it's open season on them. And while we're here, we can chain you up and keep you a slave. It's not the running man.

All right. I just want to understand where you draw the line as far as your compassion. They should be thrown out but not stolen from. I don't want to harm them. Okay. I don't want to harm them. And I'm not saying harm them or make them, you know, that you can't, that they, you can take advantage of them.

Like, I think they should have, still have protection under the law. But they've got to go back. Okay. The current administration agrees with you. And which obviously has made a lot of illegal aliens or undocumented immigrants, understandably nervous, right? And so I want to tell you about how a man, one particular man, harnessed that anxiety that illegal aliens are feeling right now to make a small fortune.

And his name was, Jesus, Silva. He's 58 years old, Latino, from Houston, and he has this brilliant idea. He could hold himself out to the public as being an immigration attorney, which he was not, and then solicit undocumented Latino immigrants to pay him big bucks to make them legal here in the U.S. You get it? Mm-hmm. Okay. And so, Jesus goes to work spreading the word, that he has this inside track to make these

people, instant Americans. And over 100 desperate and scared immigrants from Houston, Chicago, Louisiana, and Florida, gave Jesus a total of $1.5 million. So he's charging 15 grand apiece. Yeah. Roughly. In checks, cash, and money orders to turn them into U.S. citizens. After receiving the money, Jesus played along for a while.

Sometimes he would actually send his clients to non-existent appoints. at the Department of Homeland Security's immigration offices. They would get there at the appointment, and the government officials are like, I have no idea what you're talking about and send them away, which they're lucky they didn't get locked up then and there. When the clients begin complaining to,

Hey, Zeus, he just kind of blows them off or ghosts them. Like, who are you going to tell? Figuring that stealing from illegal aliens was a foolproof plan. Who are they going to tell, right? But a small group of victims gathered up some courage and complained to the FBI,

who opened an investigation and that resulting in federal fraud charges against Jesus. He pleads guilty. And 100 desperate and scared immigrants, illegal aliens, who gave him $1.5 million cumulatively. In this day and age, in this political environment, how much time does Jesus get? sympathetic victims or unsympathetic victims?

Sympathetic victims? Okay. Yeah. They're sympathetic. I mean, yeah, they're, when I was funny, one, it's over 100 victims. And two, it's over a million, it's a million dollars, sophisticated position of trust. He's not really a lawyer, but he's claiming to be. And are they, and I think they would consider them vulnerable victims.

I think they're probably the most vulnerable victims. They're terrified. With the 60, 64 months. 64 months, very specific number. Yes. I don't know why. You're putting the money on. It was like the roulette table.

You put your money on a number. All right. So 64 months, you're going to give this guy five years in prison. A little bit more. A little bit more. For stealing from these reprehensible. people that you want thrown out of this country? I must be close.

You're reading the tea leaves. Playing poker? Yeah, 64 months. Do you go stick with that? Yeah. Okay. Correct answer? 60 months.

Oh, I was almost right on it. Almost nothing. That would have been double points. Yes, you got cute. You got cute with the 64, because I know you really wanted to say 60, but I'm like, I'm going to get cute. And had you said 60, you would have gotten two points, which could have pulled you out of the deficit you're in right now, which is what, Colby?

Four of eight. So we have 12, we have, what, four left? At this point, I would win. You're at 50%. Yeah, you need to get two of the next four. All right, and we got four more questions left. You ready? Yeah. All right.

Let's do a spy story. Are the Chinese involved? They happen to be. If there's a spy story, there's a good 50, 60% chance. There are spies. China, Russia, China, Russia, China. All right. So this one's really cool.

It sounds like the plot to a Netflix movie. But, okay, this one's wild. I still can't believe this actually occurred in America, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. All right. So 65-year-old Mike's son of Chino Hills, California, was an American who was accepting secret spy assignments from China. Okay?

American of Chinese descent. When Taiwan, you know what China, versus Taiwan is the whole thing? Very, very, very up-to-date on this, yes. Okay. When Taiwan's president, Sai In Wen, visited Southern California in 2023, Mike's Chinese paymasters tasked him to conduct surveillance on the Taiwanese president and report back on her activities as well as taking pictures of pro-Taiwanese Americans at the public events.

Okay. This guy is getting paid by China to spy on this thing. That's how freaked out China is. Big money, probably $80 a day. Yeah, something like that. China's such cheap skates, yeah. When things really get interesting, when Mike, out of nowhere, becomes the campaign manager for a woman named Eileen Wang, who is an up-and-coming local politician running to be on the city council of Arcadia City, California. And due to Mike's guidance and fundraising done at the behest of the People's Republic of China, they had tasked him.

to work hard to get this woman elected, she wins her election. And she is now, as we speak, the mayor of Arcadia. Okay. Why would China give a damn who the mayor is of some small California town with the population of 56,000? Any guess? God, I mean, maybe is it technology or manufacturing of some kind of technologies or something like that? Is that what's prevalent? What's a big industry in that?

No, not that. No. No. They have mayor vote. I don't know why then. Here's the thought process. I speak to a lot of Chinese, FBI agents who are a specialist in Chinese foreign counterintelligence.

It was not my squad. But I talked to them a lot. Our history as a nation is like, what, 200 years? Their history as a nation goes back like a thousand years. Right. China and their intelligence service are all about the long game. And so the idea, they plan foreign counterintelligence like things, years from now. They saw, perhaps, theory here, Eileen is an up-and-comer.

We're going to get her into this kind of small office. And then maybe in four years she can run for this office. Then maybe in four years she runs for this. Then maybe she's the governor. Then maybe she's the president. The whole time, you know, the theory is, again, because Eileen has not been charged with a crime. them that China is sort of investing in her future. Because that's what they think.

They think long term. But the FBI is up on Mike for sure. And they've been monitoring his activities for years. And they decided that the risk posed by his spying activities finally outweighed the benefits of keeping track of Mike. Because that's always the thing in foreign counterintelligence investigations. Do we take this guy down or do we continue to monitor him and gain an understanding? Because it's not like China's going to stop spying.

because Mike's behind bars. They're just going to find some other guy to do it that maybe the FBI hasn't have as much intel on. So the arrest Mike for acting as an illegal agent of a foreign government. And Mike pleads guilty. Now, I want to make sure because I don't want to get your show in trouble or me in trouble, because we've said some things about politicians

that have resulted in text messages coming to you in the past. And Eileen has not been charged with the crime, and she's identified as individual number one in the court document. documents. And if she were charged, the burden of proof would be on the government that she knew her campaign had been bought and paid for by China and that she was serving as their pawn, but we're just not there yet. We're asking about Mike. How much time are you going to give Mike for acting as an agent of a foreign power? He pleads guilty. The spying on the Taiwanese at the behest of the Chinese government is part of his plea, and the getting this lady elected at the behest of the Chinese government is also part of his plea. 36 months. 36 months? Three years in prison for betraying, I mean, he's an American citizen. Yeah.

He sounds like you don't take this real seriously. No, I don't take what he did serious because I don't think it had really, there was no, you know, he took some photographs. You know what I'm saying? It's not like he gave them the plans to a nuclear submarine or any, or, you know, the wing assembly of the new fighter, the new stealth fighter. And you know what I'm saying? Do you think he's a traitor to a? our nation? That's probably harsh.

And for all we know, he's really just a fucking moron. Like he didn't even realize the scope of what he did. But let's assume he did know what the scope of what he did. I think it's safe to say he understood the scope of what he was doing. Yeah, I would say, yeah, I think he, a traitor. God, that's a, it's funny. You know what I'm okay with saying? He betrayed his nation.

He committed, you know, some kind of espionage or something. like that, which is not really a Fonage at this point, right? He didn't give up anything. But yeah, I definitely think he betrayed the nation. I guess it would be a traitor to the nation. Oh, he's harsh. It's just not, it's just a, he took some photos, he surveilled someone. He, you know, I'm not sure he was trying to bring down the country, the government.

You know, I don't think that was his intention. I mean, he's literally planting someone that the Chinese believed would be beholden to them in the government. Yeah, but is he thinking, is he thinking decades away? He's just a fucking, he's just kind of a pawn. So I'd say he's a traitor, but I don't, I don't know, I'm going to say three years, but what do you think? What do you think? Because a lot of times, you know what's so funny about these things? Sometimes he's, one of the times you guys get 30 years at life.

And then other time, I was shocked. Then other times they're like 18 months. You're like 18 months. Yeah. Like there's this huge disparity between some of them and people that are really in trouble. I feel like he's such a low man. You're betting the under. I think he's a low man on the totem pole.

and I think he's just a moron. Okay. And he just ruined his life. Yeah. Until he gets out. No. What do you mean? He gets out and he gets out and he's newspaper articles about it.

Like he's got to have it like he's not getting a decent job. Like who's, this is a guy who's this is a guy who's working labor jobs the rest of his life. Yeah, maybe. But I could be 65 years old. Oh, he's 65. Oh, I didn't even realize the 65. I didn't.

I didn't. Did you say that? If I didn't, I'm sorry. Now I did. He's 65-year-old Mike's son of Chino Hills, California. Oh, so old. Okay. Yeah.

I think three years. Three years? Yeah. Final answer? Yeah. Correct answer is four years. Oh, I was. Oh.

That's 75%. Exactly. Okay. You're there. God, I hate that. You know what's so funny? Like, you could call me a lot of things, but that you're a traitor. That would bother me.

Well, you're not a traitor. I'm not calling you a traitor. I'm not saying? I think you're a patriot. But you're a traitor. You know what I'm saying? That would bother me. Like, you could call me a lot of things, but boy, if you call me that, that's why I'm like,

oh, God, I would hate to, I think he's probably just a fucking idiot. He's just stupid. He probably, some people, some people really don't have the, the wherewithal to kind of comprehend the, you know, what their actions are. You ever, you ever notice that where they, some people, they're like, they don't realize how serious what they're doing is because they think, what do you mean, them, just take a picture. You're like, no, no, you don't understand the big picture.

And some, people are not smart. They're just not smart. I think the, I actually think both are pretty bad. I think the keeping track of the Taiwanese president's movement in our nation. I think it's silly. In public is no big deal, I guess, because they're all public events. Yeah, you could have done that through the internet. Yeah, and you're going to the street corner and taking a picture of the protesters.

All that's First Amendment protected activity for Mike. The, I don't know, man, getting somebody placed into elective office because a foreign government wants them there. But how did he do? I mean, you're saying, I mean, they gave a bunch of money, and he used it for whatever, ads and flyers and stuff like that. And I don't know. I got a buddy who's running for county council. And I would be really disappointed to hear that he was Russia's candidate for county council and that they were trying to get in place in the U.S. government for bigger and better things in the future. Yeah, but for him, who knows what his role was, what they told him, what they, God, you're old, old people, their reasoning isn't always that sharp.

they're, oh, okay, you want him to have the, oh, just to donate because you're okay, you know, and they're not even thinking about what's really happening here. And then what's the real guarantees that this person's even going to get elected? So, I don't know, whatever. I am dying to hear what you think about this next story, because it, to me, is such a moral quandary the way it all went down. A guy named 29-year-old Nick Roski of Seamy Valley, California. A little background, very conservative family.

he was homeschooled. He worked as a substitute teacher. Okay. Evangelical Christian upbringing. But even despite that upbringing, he felt that when the Supreme Court was going to be overturning abortion rights, okay, something he probably agreed with the decision, he felt it was a direct violation of Americans' civil rights. Okay. And I don't know if you remember that abortion decision had been leaked early before it came out. It was a big controversy about who leaked it.

And it was like six, eight weeks before the decision came out. A draft of the decision had been leaked to the press. And I don't know if they ever got to the bottom of who did that. But Nick felt that that was going to be a bad decision. And he came to the dangerous conclusion that he thought this was such a miscarriage of justice that it was time to assassinate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Okay. Even though he, in his heart, it was a conservative Republican Christian, he just felt that this decision was poorly reasoned and that Brett Kavanaugh needed to die.

God. That's a hell of a leap. Okay. I'm with you. I'm not endorsing his position. Nick goes out and purchases a 9mm Glock pistol in California and begins going to training at the local firing range until he's a crack shot. Okay. He purchases a tactical vest, a knife, a face mask, pepper spray, zip ties, and tools to break into Justice Kavanaugh's home all the way across the nation in Chevy Chase, Maryland.

Okay. Nick loads up all his equipment into a black backpack, gets in his car, and drives from Los Angeles to Maryland to carry out this assassination plan against Justice Kavanaugh. A lot of time to think about that. Yeah. A lot of time to think about him. He gets to Justice Kavanaugh's house. It's late at night. Nick parks a few doors down,

grabs his backpack full of all of his stuff, and starts walking toward Justice Kavanaugh's home. With all of his planning, he did not remember that these justices have 24-7 security, right? There's U.S. Marshals protect the service like the Secret Service for the Supreme Court. there's 24-7 security there at his house by the U.S. Marshals. He walks up to the house late at night.

He sees the protective detail, like out in the front yard, and if there's a guard shack or if they just patrol. And he just keeps walking. He walks past the house, like, oh boy, I didn't think about this. He gets around the corner, and Nick panics. He calls his sister in California, and he tells her what he's planning to do. She recognizes, or she believes,

but probably correctly so, that he's in the midst of having some kind of mental breakdown. And she tells Nick, don't do it. Instead, call the police and get help. Thank heavens, Nick listens to his sister, calls the local police telling them where he was, where he is now, and what he was planning to do. The cops sent a car who brings Nick back to the station

where he confesses his plans to the police. The police hand Nick off to the FBI, who then arrests him on federal. charges of attempting to kill a U.S. Supreme Court justice. Nick pleads guilty to those charges, even though he got cold feet. Who knows what would have happened if he didn't get cold feet of the last second? And I'm willing to say that I'm going to guess that there's some validity to his mental health issues. Yeah.

Okay. But it's up to the judge to decide this. It's a tough case, right? I mean, he, thank God he called his sister, and she talked him down. and then he turned himself in for this thing. But he pleads guilty to a federal crime, and judges aren't crazy about the idea of assassinating judges. How much time are you going to give this guy, Nick Roski?

I mean, I think he probably should have got five years, but I bet you got up, I wish he got a lot more. You think so? Even though his plan he was aborted, no pun intended by him. Yeah. No, I think he should have gotten probably under five years. Five years or under would have been. five years or under, but I don't think that's what they were given because just like you said,

they don't think it's cute. Well, this isn't the should game. It's the what was it game. Yeah. So let's say 120. 120 months in prison, 10 years in prison. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, I know that seems harsh. And in a very real way, it's like, okay, it's not illegal to buy a weapon, practice, and drive across the country. Yeah. I didn't do anything. You probably had a public defender convinced him to take a plea. And, oh, you didn't do anything. You're not going to get that.

You didn't do anything. You're going to get it. You've already been in jail for almost a year now waiting for the, waiting for sentencing. Like you're going to be, it's going to be, they're going to release you. They're going to release you. And then he gets 120 months and the guy goes, whoop, I'm done. It just feels dangerous.

Again, I hope this guy gets the help he needs, right? And so just if you chicken out of a crime, if you get the same sentence as if you actually try, I guess maybe it's not the same sentence. No, the same sentence would have been. He would have murdered the guy or even made the attempt to get 30 years. years and never get out. Yeah, yeah, that's probably right. And so he definitely got a discount even if it breaks the way you think it was. So what's the number you choosing? I'm going to say 120, because I'll bet you they fucking hammered him. I'll bet you they don't think it's cute. I get it.

Had you not seen that officer, you may very well have been kicking in that fucking door. Although the truth is he may also have gotten up there and stopped and turned around and just came back. So I just can't do it. But he saw the officer. He got spooked. Had he not seen the officer, I think he may very well. There's probably a 50-50 chance he would have walked up there, put his stuff on and kicked it in the front door. Yeah. But this is why they have protective detail. He's obviously not thinking clearly.

He had all this time and not once realized like all these guys are protected. Yeah. So I'm going to say 10 years. Okay. 120 months, 10 years, final answer? Yeah. Direct answer is 97 months. Colby's going to have to run a number on this one because what is 97 times 1.25.

I got it. I got it. I think he does it. I think he do have it. 97 times. 1.25 is 100 and 21 months. He nailed it. You got one month.

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Next Jump was a company run by Charlie Kim and Megan Messenger. They provided training to the U.S. Navy. But the Pentagon was not happy with the work of Next Jump and cancels their contract. A lucrative contract with the Department of Defense. Okay. But our main character here is 62-year-old four-star Navy Adidas. Robert Burke, he oversaw all naval operations in Europe, in Russia and Africa. He had eyes on retirement. What am I going to do when I retire? I want to post-retirement job, and he was looking to land a

big money job after he exits the military. So Robert, the admiral, gets together with Charlie and Megan at Next Jump, who had just lost their big fat government contract, and they have a secret meeting in Washington, D.C. At the meeting, Robert promises the business people that he'll use his position as an admiral to steer over $100 million in Navy contracts to Next Jump in exchange for the company hiring him when he retires. You get the deal?

And so Robert then goes for the people who make these decisions at the Navy to convince them to award Next Jump these contracts. But in the process of doing that, Robert is providing false and misleading statements to the Pentagon. He's lying to them about significant things. And the contracts never get awarded to Next Jump. Okay. However, Next Jump keeps up their end of the bargain and hires Robert a job with a salary of $500,000 per year. The Department of Defense smells a rat.

They think this whole thing's weird, right? Robert, you're leaving to work for Next Jump? Six weeks ago, weren't you here pitching Next Jump on this contract? And so the Department of Defense calls in the FBI who begins investigating the false statements Robert made during his pitch to his bosses at the Pentagon. And so in this combined with his sweetheart new job, the FBI arrest Robert and Charlie and Megan.

Okay? All three defendants Take this case to trial Robert Megan and Charlie Were charged with a bribery conspiracy Three years Okay, three years Yeah, no guy that had bribery charges

He got three years Three years And he went to trial, he went to trial and lost And he got three years, so really Yeah, three years Okay You're thinking more? You're doing more?

I don't know I mean, I do know, but I'm not helping you know How much? You want to hear it? Yeah. Correct answer is six years in prison. Six years old. And a hung jury for the contractors.

Whoa. Yeah. God, you could have just retired, bro. You could have just retired. My pension. Is pension from like $100 grand a year? Fuck. Now he's sharing some sell with Pookie.

Who's talking about, who's having, you know, talking about selling, you know. Man, but I'm selling hard. And he's sitting there going, what am I doing? What am I doing? He's an admiral. No one's sitting to them in there.

I was in charge of a division of 3,500 tanks in Europe. What's happening? All right. Last story is going to be a dirty cop story, but not just a dirty cop story, a pervert cop story. Right? And again, this is going to be a big winner. Stick around because sex sells, okay? Police officer in Florissant, Missouri is in a lot of trouble for basically being a pervert.

Officer Julian Alcala He would regularly pull over women for traffic infractions. Happened a lot. He would then confiscate the women's cell phones. Give me your cell phone because he needed to check their car insurance. A lot of people now have their insurance card

instead of on paper in their glove box. They have a scan of it on their phone. They go, oh, I don't have it with me. I have it to my phone. I'm going to ring it back to my car. He takes the phone back to the car. Phone's unlocked. and he begins looking through the girl's pictures.

Swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe. And every now and then he sees nude photos and sometimes even videos of the ladies doing stuff. And when he finds them, he takes his iPhone and takes pictures of their iPhone, right, or his spank bank. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Except one time he screws up and he uses that woman's phone and he figures, why am I taking a picture of a picture? picture. That's not the best quality. If you want the high definition stuff, you want the original. And so he uses the woman to air drop this.

He should have airdropped and then he might not have gotten caught, but he used the woman's phone to text a sex video from her phone to his phone. Whoa. But he forgets to erase the outgoing text message. Idiot. The woman gets to her phone back home. She sees this weird outgoing message from her phone to an unrecognized number with a video of her doing sexy stuff.

Based on the timestamp on when this occurred, she's like, hey, that was the time I was being pulled over by Officer Julian Alcala. And she said, I bet you it was him. She knew it had to be. She calls the FBI and says, this happened to me. The FBI obtains a search warrant of Julian's iCloud storage. Doesn't even need to go to Julian. The search warrants on Apple.

and they find in the iCloud store, not only this lady's video, as well as 19 other nude photos and videos of women, they match them up to... Tickets. I think, I don't know how they reverse engineered that, but they figured out that these were women that he had previously pulled over.

Well, I mean, they can see when the timestamps went up, and then they can check and say, okay. That's exactly it. I think they reversed it at this point, rode ticket here, yeah. to be it. To the FBI arrest Julian and the police department fires him. He was charged with deprivation of civil rights for the illegal search and seizure of these women's personal photos. And he pleads guilty in federal court. How much time are you going to give this gooner? You should have done the voice.

I like to get the license and registration, please. Can I have your license and registration? please. I don't even know what they're talking. I can't do a florissant Missouri No, it's not that. It was the guy. The Airbnb creeper. The Airbnb creeper guy. If you were, I just let me spank

that thing. I like your license and registration, please. I'll be taking your cell phone back to my car. I'll be back in a minute with it. I can't help but notice it's a picture with your knees behind your ears on here. I'll be text messaging this to myself.

Is this guy your boyfriend in the front? Let's see. Is he as handsome as me? Let me think. It sounds like we have 20 victims. Or at least 20 photos. What do you think? Like three years?

36 months? I'm going 36 months again. 36 months? Yeah. You think this guy's a disgrace to the bench? Yeah. He didn't hurt anybody. Did he violate their rights?

Yes. Shouldn't these women feel violated? I mean, listen, let's face it. They probably didn't feel violated at all until the FBI notify them. By the way, is this you? I'm violated. Oh, well, that's on me. So I would say, you know, yeah, I think I think 36 months.

You think more? It's not what I think. It's what the judge thinks. And no matter what I guess, I win, right? Like I'm... Yeah, so let's try to get it right this time. I already got it right. I can leave right now

Yeah I Tune in next episode To find out the answer 36 months What's wrong 36 months seems reasonable Okay so 36 months is your final answer

Yes it is All right well congratulations Matt Cox Because the actual answer is 24 months Nice Nice 7 of 12 For both videos today Look at you

You finally figuring this game out Two winners You got attacked Yeah if you If you have 100% control Of all the grules We might to adjust The Grace Period

How did you guys like the live stream? Was the live stream fun? I had a blast. Yeah, I thought it was good. I mean by the time they're watching this the live stream is three months ago. Yeah, yeah, but we'll see... There might be another one coming up. Yeah, yeah, there might be another one coming up depending on this post and we'll do a better job of notifying people. Because even though we posted on Instagram and on YouTube, letting people know and scheduling it ahead of time, there were still people who had no idea that it came out. Yeah, the questions were intelligent. We had about 800 people in the room. at any one time, but I think 7,000 people in total dipped in and out. And so that was real honor.

And the questions were really good, I thought. And sparked a good give and take. And so Colby has, because he's the best packager on YouTube, has taken that the two-and-a-half-hour Q&A and packaged it into a normal episode of your show. And so if they take a look at the archives of the show, especially the Tom Simon playlist, they can find it just the one with Kirakawa. What's his name? Kariaku. John Kariaku, Kashi Patel, and Edward Snowden on the cover sheet. Colby, you should have seen his face when you said,

Colby, who is the best packager, he was like, he is. It's true. Colby is the P.T. Barnum of YouTube. I know. The problem is everyone so wildly disappointed when they take a look and see like Nancy Pelosi on the cover. It's like, yeah, her name was spoken during the show. Yeah. So what's the

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