Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Most Wanted: The Hunt for Elusive Underground Outlaws

Episode Date: May 3, 2025

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Tickets on sale now. August 1st. I have to schedule about seven guests a week to get four people. Wow. Do you know what a problem that is? Then you hear them talk and they're like, oh, it's no big deal. I don't even think it's a story. And then you interview him and you're like, bro, you got a great story.

He was like, we were so over the top in love. When he got in trouble, she had agreed that if he got less than, I think it was like seven years, she would wait for him. Because sometimes you'll interview somebody and then as soon as you kind of sign off, you'll be laying in bed that night and think, I never asked him this or that. You started thinking of all these questions I should have asked. Hey, this is Matt. I'm here with Zach. We decided to do a stream yard to talk about.

basically kind of talk about our channels and also I'm going to make a plea to viewers about being guests on the show. So check out the video. Here's why we're here. Guests. It's ST, not two S's guest. Yeah, guests. I need guests for my, for my channel. Yeah. So I think I told you this. I have to schedule about seven guests a week to get four people. Wow. Do you know what a problem that is? So that's why I was like telling you, like, you need to, if you're going to put out a video a week, you need to schedule at least two or three. Two or three and then see what shows and what flakes.

Right, because let's face it, if you get two people, let's say you get all three. Let's say you say you say, you say, you say, oh, man, I scheduled three and I got all three. great it then colby will edit it he'll stick it in the queue and you'll have it ready for when you don't have a guest right you know we've got a couple weeks of probably backed up but i also will do i'll have like three people in a day and all three of them will cancel and sometimes you know i'll do two and get two people but so my one problem is getting guests and getting guests that show up and let's face it you know the the people that i'm dealing with are not that not that one first all most of them aren't that responsible but second second to that is that things happen you know i've

had people that were going to come on the show and suddenly like you know their daughter got into a car accident and it was really bad and they were in the hospital and they're like look right and it's not that they couldn't make it it's like look i just don't think i'll be able to to focus on being there like I'd rather be headed toward, you know, the hospital. And, you know, to me, it's like, oh, you're not, you know, you're not performing surgery. But I, but I hear you, you know, you probably care about, you know, your daughter. So, you know, that sort of thing happened. You probably care about it.

That's your response. People are so. Is that what you're thinking? Is that what is that the quiet part? No, I say, I say all the appropriate things like, oh, oh, that's crazy. I'm so sorry. Wow, my heart goes out to you. I say the right.

That's up. Okay. They don't know. They don't know. I'm just checking. I'm just checking. The other thing is, but then, and then sometimes people get sick.

Like, I get that. I've been sick before. Like, I was actually supposed to do Ian Bix podcast and literally woke up at, like, it was supposed to be at the airport at, let's say, six or something. I woke up at like two in the morning with COVID. And I was like, I can't. There's no way. I was like, there's no way.

And so I waited like an hour. And then I think I woke up again, like an hour later. And I said, I can't do it, bro. I can't do it. So I texted him. I was like, look, I'm never going to make it. You know, so I understand that happens. And listen, I paid for a plane.

Like, it was a few, it was months and months ago. So I said, look, I'll pay for my own playing ticket. I will fly up there. Like, you know, it's definitely my fault. I'm sorry. So, I mean, I know things happen. But so let's say, but it still doesn't matter what the reason is. It still takes seven to get four.

You're going to have to schedule two or three to get one. So mine's been a little. different. So my situation has, well, all right, so I haven't had, listen, the people harassed me about doing, like, what the hell's wrong with you? Why aren't you doing the podcast? Right. Are you going to interview it today or what, you know? Because, so mine hasn't been people canceling. And that's probably because I've only lined up a few. Mine has been, generally the ones that cancel have been people who don't know what to talk about. Like, what is it I'm going to say? you know and they don't they don't actually agree to do it they are like i don't know you know

what do i have to talk about what do i say to this this part is interesting i don't want to bring this up because i don't want to get in trouble and all that other bs that goes into that problem i always just tell them all like look how long ago was it you know statue most statutory limitations are five years. You're not going to be getting trouble. And, you know, just don't use the guy's name and don't admit to a murder and, you know, don't be, you know, don't be, you know, don't be stupid. Don't, don't, what's the guy's name, uh, uh, Kee Fee D or something? Like, don't say I handed the guy the gun and, and he shot him. Yeah, he shot him. Don't, don't do what we witnessed in Coleman as people are. Don't, don't, don't admit the conspiracy to commit murder,

you know, like, on walking the track yard, you know, like, yeah, I killed. him, you know, and when did you shoot him? I actually shot him in the head twice. Really? Yeah. No, no. I'm a, what is it? No, no.

Hey, bro, honestly, I'm a, I'm a jailhouse lawyer. It's against my ethics to say anything. That's right. Now, I need the details one more time. The body is buried behind which, oh, your mom's house. Does she still live there? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Or in my case, and who has the money? And the evidence of that is... All right, so yes. So I, my problem is just they don't want to reveal certain information. Like, I had one guest that I wanted to bring on. Really, I wanted to bring her on because she was locked up with Elizabeth. homes. And I really wanted them to talk about that. But she said she had a situation. She actually had a lot of situations, really. Like one of her kids were shot recently. And in another one of her kids had an episode that actually made the national news where the police came. And but she didn't want to discuss it because he had trial coming up. Well, I mean, exactly. But I tell her you were on the news talking about it. You were on the news. People are stupid. I mean, what?

The situation she had where her son held her hostage. So, I mean, it's not like, I guess you can't admit that he didn't hold you hostage because they arrested him when you convinced him to give himself up. So, I mean, I don't know. Well, it's not like she has to, well, okay, yeah, you're right. I don't know if that has to do with why she was locked up in prison. No, no. So to me, I would be like, we're not going to talk about that. We're going to talk about your childhood with the first time you committed crime, where you went to school.

you know, you're, you know, and then how you eventually figured out, you know, what the crime you were doing, what you did to get to federal prison, what it was like in federal prison, and then you recently got out and that's it. That's all we're going to talk about. We're not going to talk about this other thing. Well, you know, the funny part is that's what I wanted to talk to her to talk about. And she wanted to bring up her son. So I've kind of meet her in the middle, but then she diverted back on, I don't know, it was just, that was a bizarre incident. I have a couple of other opportunities, you know, and I just accept to bring it to the light. I have to bring them on and see what I can do, you know. You, on the other hand, Matt, you're like, you've had

some fantastic guests, you know, and you're able to extract very interesting tales out of each person, you know, and that's a talent that I think I need to pick up, you know. So I guess I'm going to have to bring on a lot of guests and see if I can extract some interesting stories. Because I'm sure a couple of them, it's kind of like, okay, that's not that interesting, but we'll see if we can make it work. You know what I'm saying? I mean, honestly, it's a formula. And if you stick with that formula, you don't end up getting the same story. Because obviously, if I say to somebody, oh, well, where'd you grow up? You know, and, you know, one person's going to be like, oh, I grew up middle class. My parents were married. Everything was wonderful. My father, you know, sold, he was a manager of a car. car dealer my mom was a you know what and they're going to have this normal childhood and no i never really got into trouble i ended up going to college like you're like okay the other guy you're going to say so where where's you grow up and he's going to say bro i grew up in the projects you know my mom she couldn't handle us man i was arrested when i was 11 the first time i got in trouble with you know

and you're it's a vastly different story so you can't say so to me it's like formulate what i'm the questions i'm asking but the answers turn it into a completely different story. Right. So the next thing you know, this guy's in juvie. He's, he's breaking into houses. He's, it spins off. Now, I get back to like the, you know, Wayne story. Yeah, well, then I keep kind of like, you know, did you ever end up graduating high school? Because that's one of this, you know, and they're like, nah, bro, man, I got a GED and and juvie. And I, you see what I'm saying? So you still kind of go back to those, but those questions weave that story. And so it seems like a completely different story, even though it starts at the same point.

Good point. Very good job. The interview, so here's what's funny. The last interview I did, you know, at one point when we were talking about this, I was thinking to myself, I'm like, did I get back around to the crime he committed? Like, I completely went off point and never asked him about why he ended up in federal prison, which was making an attempt to go do a bank robbery. ever even got around to that.

Oh, man. That's, yeah, you got a good, yeah, what are you doing? Yeah, like, sometimes you have to, sometimes you have to make notes. Right. You know, it, it definitely teaches you how to pay attention to, you know, to the part, to what's, to the story and what's happening. Even if I don't know the story, typically I talk to the guest for a couple of minutes. Like, if it goes to more than five minutes, then I get to that point where it's like,

hey, you know what, let's just start. Because a lot of times the more interesting conversations happen before you actually hit record. Right. You know, and the other thing is I really, because I kind of try and do keep it formulate, you know, stick with that formula. So I don't get off topic and never end up asking why they went to prison. Right.

So, you know, once we start spinning it off, then I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, okay, you know what? I understand the basic story. Let's go back. Let's go ahead and start. And I cut them off because sometimes they'll start. telling a good story and you're like man we need to be recording this and so i don't want to hit record and then go and say yeah go ahead you were telling me the story because i want to go back and start at the beginning right we'll get to that story but you have to remember that and it's difficult

like especially it's difficult for me to remember it oh yeah um you know i have a horrible memory i'm an old man and and and you know so it's luckily if you keep i've noticed if i kind of stick with that basic formula i tend to get back to that point Well, I've got to work on that, you know, and, and you know, my mind is on the legal aspect of it. And so I go down that wormhole instead of like into the juiciness of the story. And bank robbers have some great, great, great stories. Yeah. Like I have like meeting how they got their name, their reasoning of why the FBI gave a certain name, their rationale for robbers. Oh, bank robbers are. The best, I think, with the stories. I love them. Yeah, I've- Teller reactions and all that stuff.

Yeah, I've got some, I've had some good ones. The problem is some of these guys' stories, like I didn't really know how to interview anybody. Not that I know, not that I'm great now, but like, I hate it because sometimes you'll interview somebody and then as soon as you kind of sign off, you'll be laying in bed that night and think, man, I never asked him this or that.

You start thinking of all these questions I should have asked. Right. So I have a question. So what kind of guests are you looking for? So I, they can be, I can do criminal stories or I can do like extraordinary achievements. This doesn't necessarily have to be crimes. It can be something that they've done in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, or opinion of something or they've attended certain events. Because I kind of want to mix it up a little bit. But I do. I like the crime stories because, you know, naturally of my background and get an opportunity to break them down. But so that would be my main focus.

But also maybe people who have been around criminals, just the other day, you know, because I still do a little bit of law work. And just the other day I was talking to a woman of a rapper named Icy Blue who's in jail. And she had me on the phone almost an hour and a half, but telling me stories that were blowing my mind. she was absolutely hilarious. I enjoyed the whole conversation. And, you know, she was talking about, and she's never been in prison. But she is just one of those things where all of her kids are in prison. And because her daughter and her son were rappers, because she's telling, oh, great stories. Because she's saying her son grew up all around all black guys, has a platinum grill in his mouth. What's his name? His name is Little Blunt. He got a tattooed on his chest. No reason to search his car. I don't know why they searched my car. Well, a little blunt.

Your AKA came up on their screen instead of a little blunt. Yeah. So, but here's what's funny. He's in Polack. And he is the, what do they call it? When you speak for the white, for the white car. what like the shot caller shot caller there it go he's grew up around all black men has platinum grill in his mouth little blunt on his shirt he's a rapper right shot caller for the white car

I'm like like I'm like at what point does he go you know guys cut it out like I don't agree with anything you guys are thinking or doing you know it's a waste of my life so but But it was so interesting. Like I had thought like when I hung up, I'm like, man, maybe I should interview her because she is just, and she's never been arrested her in jail. Oh, she was, she was hilarious. She was hilarious. Yeah, it'd probably make a good interview, though.

She could tell you all the, all the stuff about her kids and this and, oh, God, and I got the phone call. I didn't go down there. Listen, her parenting. Oh, she's hilarious. She's hilarious. I should think about that. Let me, and let me tell you another person would be.

be cat who's never been to prison but she snuck items in the prison so it could be like different you know and and i'm talking like going in completely loaded you know and and the hiding spots and you're like are you what yeah it works passing passing things with kisses and stuff like that right so yeah well i don't know um i was going to say here's the thing like right now your channel's got what 3,000 subscribers or something like that. Right. Right. So, I mean, you know, like the big thing is like just a, it's really about just posting

stuff. Right. You know, you got to post something. So it's like, you know, you got to post something every week. You post something every week and, and then, you know, people get to expect it. And then, you know, money starts to build up and then starts coming in more and the subscribers grow. And, you know, then we get you on different podcasts to talk about your story.

but then also to talk about your YouTube channel, then you get more and more, you know, and that's not hard to do, but you got to get some more stuff. You got to be able to, you have to post at least once a week to the point where you're making enough money that you start seeing it trickle in and then you'll start going, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, I can see this happening. I need to put up more post. And me talking about that, I'm telling myself, because she asked me how she could help me. I need to tell her, like, you need to come on my podcast and talk to me about

having kids that are in prison how are you dealing with that oh she's she is a hoot man she is hilarious um you know what i needed well you know what i actually already did this i got business cards that have a a a QR code on it for my for my youtube channel oh really i just hand somebody the card say oh yeah yeah here's my information and then they can scan it and just boom brings them right to youtube and they can subscribe like what QR is the most beautiful thing in the world yeah it's pretty linking the world yeah so i was going to say my problem is like i need guests the the problem is well i need guests but i need i the kind of guests that really do well that for some reason i don't seem to be able to get these guests and and and they're probably few and far in between

but i but i'm saying this day like anybody that's watching i got two i got two problems one i would love some guests that are that are like you know any kind of the cyber guys right who've done like kind like you know internet scam cyber scams or they've you know maybe they've you know been on the dark market maybe they're just selling over the internet they're running some kind of a I love those it can even be drugs like I don't care what it is but I love those kinds of scams that they're super interesting counterfeiters credit card guys because they they have tons of stories because they've been chased they've been you know they got funny stories. and they're usually pretty, pretty funny, pretty sharp, pretty funny.

So I love those. I mean, I mean, look, I like bank robbers. I like, I like, you know, financial crimes. I like all those too. But the guys that do well are the guys that a lot of these credit card guys and stuff. I love those stories. So that's one thing. And then the second thing that is killing me is I get tons of, I probably get one

or two a day at least where it's somebody sending me an email saying, bro um you know Rick Johnson there's a guy Rick Johnson in you know in Coral Springs that got arrested for running a Ponzi scheme you got to have him on check it out it's like that's not like they think they're helping me but like I don't have time to track this guy down right to get his phone number or or whatever his Instagram and send him an email or send him an instant message and track him down like guys are like you know they're like oh i'm trying i'm trying to help you out wait a minute bro you really want to help me out like track him down like call and tell him right contact him and say listen man i i want to get you on this guy's podcast like i think your story's

fascinating i think you should be on this guy's podcast would you be interested if the guy's like yeah i'd be interested then great let me put you in contact with them what's your email address what's your, you know, like help me coordinate because a ton, I spend a ton of time coordinating. Imagine, I'm trying to schedule seven, at least seven a week to get four. That's a lot of coordinating, especially when people are, you know, people are late. They push them back or the last minute they change or, hey, can we do it tomorrow at two? It's like, no, no, I have three of these things tomorrow. I have two at tomorrow or I have a two of those and you know an appointment at the dentist you know or it's date night you know no so how do you space them out though when you're setting the appointments typically I try I try and get them to like I try and get people to do it like 10 or 11 in the morning because that kind of gives me the rest of the day if somebody else comes in I can say hey bro I got from you know one o'clock on and then if they come in and say oh okay I

I can do it at one. Great. Because if the guy was at 10, then that gave me like three hours. It's probably not going to be three hours. And then I try not to do anything at night because, because, you know, Jess comes home around 430 or 5 and, you know, I want to, you know, be able to hang out with her, even though right now she'd roll her eyes if she was here.

And she'd be like, I'm rolling my eyes. You're spending the time with me. So, but I, you know, I, you know, I, try because it was still i i have to then i have to finish i have to send emails i have to listen i'm trying to get spot get sponsored by ghost so yeah i put the filter on oh there you go uh-oh there man look hold me oh it so softens the nice the sponsoring by ghost would that would that come like would that be direct or would that be through um you to no no like what would happen is ghost would say okay listen you know four times a month

you have to say you have to cover this and then they give you well it depends they have different things sometimes they'll give you an actual script we have to say you know i love ghost it's the best energy drink out there you know it has it's high and whatever and no sugar like they'll actually have something you have to say which i'm almost i'm really bad at that but if they just say look we want you to promote it and just cover this like kind of we don't care how you say it just say that you like the drink it's one of the one of the best ones you've ever you've drank you know whatever i'm better at that because i can i can add lib and the truth is i don't mean listen if they just send me free ghost that you'd be happy what flavor is that pink can this is sour pink

lemonade which you know who loves this one uh jacks no jacks oh yeah this is the new flavor. It's not great. It's not my favorite. It's not horrible, but it's not my favorite. Jackson was like, you got to order them, bro. They're amazing. They're not amazing. They're okay, but they're not my favorite. Okay. Is that the, is that the one, um, did that the one I tried? No, trying to figure out. No, I think you, what are the, what are the flavor options? Oh, I mean, they have like, cream. Oh gosh, is it cream sickle? Love it. Yeah, that's, that one's my favorite. that one's my favorite tropical something else is my favorite is another good one those two are the best i think the one you tasted was like sour patch was it sour patch oh yeah yeah so you've been buying those

by the by the i don't even go to i didn't even i didn't even i didn't even go now i just order the cases i just order like two cases them and they show up so that that's how i'm doing it now so oh okay well there's still like two dollars and forty cents a piece Wow. Yeah. So I only drink them. What's the other one that I've been drinking? Is it like Red Bull?

Or is it like an energy drink? It's an energy drink, but it's flavored. It's in the skin, it's in the skinny type can. It's a monster? No, not monster. I don't see. I don't know enough of them. I only know like the really.

So that's with an eye, I think. Shoot. I'll bet 15 people will say it in the comment section. We'll know about it. Good. Help me out because I cannot remember it. They're the ones that kind of got real fruit juice. They don't have much sugar in them.

They're not, they're not bad. I'm not a, I'm not a fruit juice. I'm not a energy drink fan. No, me neither. I hate all of them except for this one. That's why I want to get sponsored because I can't stand any of them. Except for that one. Yeah, this is the only one.

So, all right. So wait, real quick. we're both we both need guests yes you're looking for guest suggestion right guest and you're you're so i'm going to make sure that i put um i'm make sure i put your email address in the in the in the in the description box okay and i'm obviously i'm going to put my description you know or my email in the description box i actually have a form that you can fill out nobody fills out the form. They just email. I don't know why. A guest form? Yeah, we Colby actually hooked up a guest form where you can fill out this thing and it's it sends it to, I want to say it sends it to Colby or

me. And then it's real quick. It's like, here's your name, number. And then you can write a little thing. It's basically an email. But people could just email me. Okay. So, you know, I'm okay with that. Like I just need help getting guests. And, and what's so funny is a lot of people, don't think they even have a story. They're like, eh, you know, I robbed like 20 banks and I, you know, went to jail. I only did a couple. I only did like four years or three years. And they'll, there's something you hear them talk and they're like, oh, it's no big deal. I don't even think it's a story. And then you interview him and you're like, bro, you got a great story. Jumping over the counter and, and, you know, staking out the bank and getting it getting an employee in the bank that told them when the cash drawer was going to be there. And these are all those are awesome. going on those are awesome you know um you have the unique so this gives the opportunity because you know in prison you know i i did do the lawyering thing right right and i get stuck there and a lot of times when they would talk to me they would try to give me the perception that they were innocent you know

so they're like oh somehow because i had one guy was telling me about the a robbery and he's kind of like oh it wasn't me but they're thinking this and i you know i'm saying his fingerprints was on the gun that they found at the scene he just happened to walk he just happened to walk in the bank to open an account right and the gun dropped and i picked it up because i didn't want to file to get a hold of the gun exactly so you get the story where they're actually um because i get the people who are very timid about you know their culpability in the offense you know i'm like I get the guys who are like, you know, like people, just because you admit to it, people are not coming to grab you. Like, hey, you got on there.

You said you did this, you know. We ain't got no evidence, but we're going to take your word for it to lock you up. Yeah, I definitely, definitely need. Listen, I haven't had a guy the other day that, you know, he didn't, like, he admittedly, he said, look, I've done a bunch of knucklehead stuff. You know, didn't make a ton of money. sold drugs, you know, just, and he said it was just a bunch of knucklehead stuff. Like, it was not, nothing insane, you know, but I'm a good storyteller and people love to hear me tell these stories.

And I, I'm not far from you. I'll drive over there. And we talked for about 30 minutes. He kind of gave me the quick rundown. I was like, listen, you're, I can tell you're a good storyteller. Like, definitely come. Let's do it. Listen, I think that guy got like 30 or 40,000 views.

And it was like a two and a half, three hour podcast. He was great. Wow. Like people, people think like, oh, I didn't steal $10 million or I don't, people don't realize. Look, Bozziak, well, Boziac, I did, I wrote his story. Like he didn't steal the most money. He just had this really, really unique, interesting, super interesting case. And I've had this guy, Doug Dodd, I wrote a book about Doug Dodd.

He didn't sell the most pills. he didn't make millions of dollars he didn't he didn't do anything that all the that tons of other people were doing at the time right but it was an interesting story he was willing to tell it there there was kind of interesting because it was a group of five guys that were on the wrestling team that were doing this so that made it kind of cool and how and it was just like how they slowly figured out the system and how much they were getting for the pills and how they were shipping them so it was interesting but it was a story that that tons of guys tell you in prison but nobody writes it down So people don't see it So people out there don't see it And there's no format for it to be on Then Then when you write it down Suddenly people read that story

And they go, bro, this is amazing. Really? Because I can talk to 40 guys right now in the combat That have almost the identical story. But they never wrote it down. Right. Yeah, that's So it's the same thing with these guys that are

They watch the thing and they think man I think I got a good story But you know, like I didn't still millions. I didn't make millions. I wasn't the biggest drug dealer. I wasn't the big Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era. It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca.ca.

Because I only robbed four banks. Yeah, but I'll bet you some stuff happened. And I'll bet you the money. And all of that stuff is interesting. People don't understand it. It's not all about what you stole and taken. And then a lot of times people who stole a lot, their story isn't that interesting. You know what I'm saying?

Because I talked to a girl that did Medicare fraud and her story wasn't that interesting. Right. Remember I was talking to Doc? Well, it was interesting. When we were reading his PSI, you know, it's like, ooh, interesting. The chair. Yeah. With the pill on her.

Oh, it's like, oh, yes, yes, yes. I'll never forget that because you start shaking your head and you went, listen to this. You were like, this is bad. This is bad. Hey, he was, hey, it was a pill meal. Yeah. You know, but you like the part where he just come in and he just touched throat for a second yeah 600 bills you definitely need oxytocs are you feeling anxious at

all um i don't know i guess a little bit we'll give you some zanx too that's right that oxy we'll give you some x to offset the oxy code now you got you no he was a generous doc was a generous guy he was a generous guy you know what's so funny is i i really believe that in his heart he doesn't think he did any wrong. No. No, you know, it's funny, too, about him. Remember, remember his hands and used to turn blue? Yes. He was telling somebody about that the other day, and he didn't want to get treated for it, right? Wasn't he like, eventually it'll kill me, and... That's exactly what he used to say. Yeah. That used to be, that used to hurt me the most, you know, because it's like, you want to die. He's kind of like, like, all right, if I'm not getting out of here unless some miracle happens,

and otherwise, then I just want to die. right you know just let me die in here yeah it was he was a grumpy bitter old guy that you really couldn't argue against being grumpy and bitter you're like you know i hear you like i want to say oh you've got a lot to live or you don't you know he's miserable and i think i looked him up i think he died in 12 2012 oh that wasn't that long after i left no no it wasn't god and he was a medium like he never should have been at the medium you know he shouldn't have he he was definitely a low guy well but you know he like i think some some some some higher some influential people had

got some of his drugs so i think well yeah and he he went to trial and he got what 30 years or something like that yes he used to 35 35 25 oh 25 he said he's not doing 25 yeah i think he had done too Jesus He used to have his own office He Some reason they took him out of that office Why he was sitting he was helping people He was kind of helping tutor people right

Yes Kind of Bitterly but kind of So yes So if if you were to So let me ask a question Yeah If you were to

To ask like like let's say the people who watch your podcast what scenario would you want them to step forward have they ever like would you say hey have you ever done some sneaky stuff that you kind of got away with you know a long time ago you know let me know put a comment down and let me know i like to hear about it what would you how would you like what would you like to submerge from this um i think you mean emerge um yeah you're right emerge not right yeah submerges to go under yeah they're already submerged besides me what would you like to submerge no but go ahead um i think yeah i think you know people with interesting stories that can tell their stories that you know like maybe

their friends and family have told them they've got an interesting story uh it doesn't have to be huge you know if it's huge great if it's not huge it doesn't matter uh i've had you know like obviously i love it i like the fact i like when they've already of course been arrested gone to jail like if you you know or unless it's prerequisite well no because think about it what if they what if they ran a scam and it's you know 10 years ago and they never did get in trouble like you know most statute of limitations there's about five years so you know if you feel comfortable you know coming and and telling that story then that's great But for the most part, what I feel gives people the credibility is the fact that they did go to prison.

So if you come on here and just tell me some fantastical story, then it's like, how do I, how do I, how do I know that's true? Like there's nothing for me to check. I can't read an article. I can't check PACER. You were never arrested. How do I know that's true? So it's, it's, you know, and listen, some people have told me like a whole story. they're like and i ended up getting arrested for this like which is only one small part of the whole

story like they never got arrested for this they ended up getting arrested for this they got to jail for five years and they got out and they never got arrested for the the crux of the story but that's fine i can't prove that you're the one telling the story and on top of that you did end up going to prison for this so clearly you were involved in criminal conduct right and you can let's face it if somebody starts talking to you about fraud pretty quickly you know no or they start talking to you about drugs pretty quickly you're like no no obviously if someone's arrested for something it's not because they begin to dabble you know generally they're they've gotten the cycle down like i'd say you know only two out of a hundred may have done one thing wrong and got caught for

it a lot of times yeah yeah more people are getting away with it for a long long they've been and sliding pass on some stuff for a long, long time, to the point where they actually think it's legal. You know what I'm saying? Like, well, this must not be illegal. I've been doing it for years. I remember Boziac told me a story one time about getting caught in the mall with a fake ID.

He had the fake ID, he used a credit card, had a fake ID with it, and realized that they were calling it, like they were calling the police, they were calling like security or whatever. So he turns around on bolts. He starts to bolt and the security grabs them. And they pull him in.

He's like, so he said all the videos that I'd seen online said that if security could not detain you. Like if you pulled away and fought with them, they let you go. And if they didn't catch you with the actual merchandise, they had no right to detain you. And they would let you go. And I was like, right? He is, that's not true. he was like he weighed he weighed 140 pounds he's a little 130 pounds soaking wet five foot seven five eight they grabbed him he's skinny little kid they grabbed them cancuffed him brought him he said

they walked me into this door he's like and there's all these hallways in the mall that he's like he's like that I didn't even know where there you're like you're looking down in these hallways he's like there hundreds of feet you're like wow it's bizarre there's all this whole thing back there So they walk in a maze, right. I've been back there. I've been back there. Go ahead. So they walk in the security. They handcuff him. He ends up pulling his hand out of the loop, climbs up in the drop ceiling, crawls out of the little security. He actually cuts a hole in the drywall with his key. Because he said the drywall went all the way up to the ceiling. But he said, but I knew on the other side of the wall there was a hallway. So with his Cadillac key, he just scraped it and scraped it. And he was like, it was like four layers of wall. So I cut it and cut it and cut it and then eventually pulled it out, climbed through it,

dropped into the hallway and got away. And I'm like, so he was telling me this story. And, you know, he said, oh, I've got dust everywhere. It's all over me. I'm sweaty. I've got, you know, he's like I'm in bad shape. He ends up finding an exit, gets out of the exit. finds his car he was like he said i got to my car and drove across the street and parked my car got

he said i had dusted off and everything's at by this point i said i've kind of dusted myself off he was so shaken by the whole thing he said i went into this this 7-11 or whatever got a beer walked back to his car got in his car sat there and joy was drinking the beer and a cop pulled up right next to him and he said the cop like just looked over at him like what are you doing like he's sitting there like oh man cop arrested him for an open container put him in the back of the car and while he's getting writing up the report he said you could hear them describing me on the radio and he said cop cars sheriff deputies are like driving by going to the mall looking for him He's like, I kept, he said, he's like, I kept waiting for the cop to turn around and look at him and say, hey, that's, you know, like, hey, wait a minute.

Keep in mind, you know, he said he was, but he never did. He actually drove him to the police station, booked him. He got right back out like the next day or whatever it was. And went straight back, got his car, got his car, got his car. He probably got, he probably got released on his own recogniz. Yeah, he got released right away, went back, got his car, and left. but it was so funny because when I was doing all the Freedom of Information Acts, I found that report.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like that report doesn't, it doesn't substantiate that the thing in the mall happened because he never got caught for the thing in the mall. It never caught up with them. Obviously, they have an ID with a different name on it, credit cards with different names. And granted, there is a picture. But they never put it together. But what I could prove was that at least part of that story is able to be proven because I got the open container.

You know, and that 7-Eleven was across the street from like the gallery mall. Right. So those are things you can prove. Correct. So it's like, you know, some people will tell a story and maybe, you know, like some stuff you know, you just got away with. Like, I, like, that never caught up with me. I never, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think that people, a lot of people think that they have to have some massively huge, amazing story. But the truth is, if you take 10 or 20 years of someone's criminal history, so somebody's been doing crimes on and off for 20 years and you condense that into an hour or a two hour podcast, you're going to have some good stories.

Yes, absolutely. That's going to be interesting. Yeah, you're right. So, you know, I just think people they, you know, and then there are, listen, there are other people that have just have over the top amazing stories. So they're, period. Yeah, period. Yeah, there are.

There are. Just from what, what they, what they've accomplished and what they've done, yes, I agree. I've heard quite a bit of them like when I was in there. you know so um and some of it's impressive some of it's been impressive um it's just got a wish you could bring them bring it to life you know well i wish yesterday would have been recorded you know because that that was fun oh the talking to the woman yes the the mother of somebody i was helping out you know because her daughter's her daughter was a rapper right and um who was with they were they had planned uh i told you about her icy blue

her and vanilla ice who had never met were going to do a tour together like they were like this is going to be on and popping um dude interesting from beginning to end bro she quit like she disappeared on everybody because she was supposed to get a part in the movie sister act and when she like everything had came there's huh i think you did tell me that about this? Everything came to her very easy. When she gets out, I'm going to interview her. That's only like in two years. But everything came to her very easy, right? And she never got denied. And she went for the Sister Act part and thought she was going to get it and she didn't get it. And so she took a flight to Austin to stay with her grandmother. She didn't tell anybody.

It's like, just disappeared. Like when they're like, no, you didn't get the part. She like just and left and flew to live with her grandmother. tell anybody where she was got a job in a convenience store like you had a contract to perform with vanilla ice you were on tour with color me bad and cc music factory what she's just upset about it yeah like i didn't get that part something else exactly exactly like i would love to hear her philosophy behind that like like it's just but it's I had no idea it was that inch I knew it was going to be partially interesting I had no idea it was that interesting you know what I'm saying and that's just the mother's perception you

know I like to hear from hers so it's it's one of those things where that surprised me some stories you know I'm gonna say I don't know I thought would be interesting and it was not you know like i talked to someone that was um doing the credit card the skimmers and he was with a group with the but with the skimmers but i think like he made himself out to be higher up than what he was like he didn't he wasn't honest about his story so just like you were higher up but you know you didn't have access to certain things so i can just tell you were like a runner you know and so because you weren't honest about it it the the good stories wouldn't come out so it would you know you really want someone that's like humbled and

realized like hey this is what i did you know i wasn't like you said i wasn't the grandiose i wasn't stealing millions you know my my crime didn't make television but here's what was going on that makes a very interesting story because you don't know what these guys have going on they they could have super cool backgrounds you know i was dating this girl and here's what like listen some of the guys they they could tell you that what was going on with their relationship might might have been just as interesting as as what was going on with the actual you know their their crime their crime spree or you know whatever it was you know criminal um the criminal enterprise that they were running maybe you know you know i was dating this girl and this is what was going on and this

I remember Carrie, I wrote this story called American Narco, and I remember he had, he'd like fallen in love just before, like probably six months to a year before. And he's like, I mean, we were, he was like, we were so over the top in love. And when he got in trouble, she had agreed that if he got less than, I think it was like seven years, she would wait for him. like they would get married and she'd wait for him this is federal this is federal this is federal and he got and i think he got 11 years and at seven years two months but go ahead yeah and i remember he he he's like he's like like it wasn't that the 11 years he said it just crushed me that i knew i just lost her he's like and i remember when they said it he turned around and he just looked right at her and she was just bawling to you know crying and he's like because we both

new like that's that's it like because they figured you know seven years plus art app plus this plus that plus time he'd already so you know the whole thing you broke it down I can do this right you know whether she would have or not who knows but it was an interesting there was you know he all of these relationships he had with these girls kind of during the course of this story was pretty cool like there are some cool background stories I really need to focus more on or bring up like who you were so who were you dating at the time i need to focus on that more on who they were seeing yeah some of that how you got that story out of um jacks about the the chick no i think jacks just came later you don't need the prompt jacks

good point because because you're absolutely right that would be interesting like who at the time you were committing this crime who were you dating and what they knew whether did you hide this from them you know the the process of trying to keep things from from who you're dating is is amazing well and and what happened like what happens when you come home with a lick right like what happens if you burglarize a jewelry store you get late a jewelry store and you walk in and your girl knew you were out and you you come in and you dump a hundred thousand two hundred thousand dollars in diamonds on the bed and start breaking them up like what's that conversation like you know what are you doing honey yeah yeah or you know what else is down to get you know what's

interesting you know what i find interesting and and it's probably because it's part of my story is when you and significant other even in your story when i think about it at the point where you both realize you're willing to commit crime you know like you're doing stuff and then the other person you're kind of like, look, this is what's going on. And then, you know, that, like, that coming together, they're like, er. Yeah, that, that, that dance. Huh?

That dance. That dance. You know, I was thinking. What were you thinking about that? You know, because when you were talking about that, like, that's one of my, that's part, that's one of my favorite parts when you were, like, I'm leaving, I'm wanted, you know. And she's like, I'm coming with you. And you're kind of like, oh, yeah.

There's no, yeah, and I was like, look, I'm not going to get a job. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's her coming. And you're kind of like, um, what? Yeah, no, that was Becky, Becky, Becky was all in. Yes, all in. And would you have known that? No, I don't, I don't think I saw that coming. You know, like, who does that?

Like, I didn't want to leave. Like, I don't want to leave and I have to leave. You don't have to leave. Why would you leave? And you're trying to talk her out of it. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. Like, you know, but think about, like, to me, it was the, the mindset of that.

The fact that you, because, like, in all honesty, like, if you look back, like, if you could go back in time, you'd be like, no. You probably wouldn't even tell her you're leaving. No, I would have been. I'm going to Jacksonville for two days. I'll be back Sunday. Can you feed the cat, please? I totally like my uncle died or something. Yeah, that's it.

You know, and just think about the fact that there was a part of you that was kind of like, like, here are the consequences and she's still like, yeah, yeah, and you're kind of like, what the hell? Oh, I remember her. Her biggest question was, can you get the money? Are you going to be able to get money? And I was like, oh, absolutely, that's like, that's not a problem. I just understand that we're going to be wanted and she's like, yeah, I don't care about that.

Like you're you're going to be able to get the money. How much are you going to get? I'm like, I mean, I don't know, a few million within a few months, I guess and probably I don't know. And you know, and she was just like, then I want to come. I'll come. I want to. I was like, for me, we're, we're, we're, I tell you the story. We're dating and I'm scamming, you know, and. And because she's kind of like, she's answering my phone or I get a phone call, you know, and this guy is saying, hey, I need minutes, you know, like I need more minutes. And she's asking me, she's like, why would these people call you for phone minutes, you know? And I tried to lie. Like, oh, you know, I'm able to get the cards at a discount. People, you know, they reach out to me. I, yeah. I can get a discount on the cards.

You could have said he's in, he's a buddy of mine. He's in prison. I have to put money phone card. You could have said prison. You can't go get it. I got to put it on. No, no. These were drug dealers out on the street.

I was, I was using card numbers. I know, but she doesn't know that. You could have said he was locked up. He's got a, he's got a contraband cell phone. And I am, he's a buddy of mine. And I put money, put, no, that wasn't going to fly. She knew they were, because she. she's seen me pick up like I went to see them and they gave me money oh you know so she had been

with me you know but I never told her what was it for she's just like oh okay but then when she's like why are they calling you for a minute and then when I told her what I was doing she's kind of like like my like my god like we can expand this you know it's just the the dance of the the middle yeah she you're thinking she immediately says you know what we need to do we start adding zeros we can we can go i know people like exactly and so that is an excellent question for your guess of you know who you were dating at the time what was their philosophy behind it and when did you tell them like tell me the story about when you you know brought this to their attention that's i don't know how you could how anybody could get away with not telling their wives i mean or their

girlfriends or whatever because listen they're they're all so inquisitive and just suspicious and like how do you get away with it for like but listen by the time the chick's around a lot like it's over i mean i you understand that i'm sitting here i live i live with jess we're married and if i get a a a text bring she from across the room will be like who's rachel like who's what I'm like I'm going who I can't even see it she's across the room who's Rachel I'm like I don't know hold on well why she emailing you at 10 30 at night I don't I haven't even seen the phone the text yet like it's it's it depends on the man honestly because it's some some men just don't have to answer some men just do not have to answer to their one

moment. And I do what I want to do. I leave what I want to leave. And I come back, you know. And but some, and that's, that's the difference. And that's why it would be interesting for you to ask. Because some people have a relationship like, no, she had no idea what I was doing. I was selling methamphetamine. I had a grow house or whatever. And my girl had no idea what was going on. And some of them, like, choose to turn a blind eye. Like, I'm just not going to pay that any attention. you know as long as the money's coming it's fine you know so it that's why it's an interesting concept of to ask of guests you know to find out because it's kind of like opens up the door to somebody like how did you get away with that like yeah how is it that she didn't ask you yeah and that adds like another it it could first of all it gives me more content that might be an extra 10 minutes it might be an extra 30 like I have I meet guys all the time and I'll talk to And they're like, bro, like my story, it's maybe, maybe 20 minutes. And I'm like 20 minutes.

Like, yeah, my crime is just all I did was this and this. And you're like, okay, I understand. But you do understand. We're not going to start with the first bank you robbed. We're going to start with so you were born in Michigan. What was that like? Your parents were school teachers? Oh, okay.

Were you good in school? Like, it's 15 minutes before. I told you this. I've said this a few times. I think I've told you this. Some guy in the comment section the other day said, if Matt Cox was interviewing Jesus Christ, his first question would be, so where are you born? Siblings, parent. Like, I understand it's, it's, you know, but you know, you start at the beginning.

So if I, but let's face it. So to me, now I'm asking that question. So it's going to be 20 minutes before we even get to before you're out of high school. Yeah, I definitely think I need to start asking more about like who are you dating. like what was she thinking what was this but some of these guys too man they're they're in and out of girlfriends like definitely and and their crime might have something to do with it you know you tell a little bit about their you find out a little bit more about their inter workings by asking about their girlfriend yeah that's a good idea do you have anything like we haven't

like covered or i mean this was a fly by the seat of our pants type of podcast you know like just to show that we can put something together and talk about it. You know what I'm saying? Well, I do have another thing that I need to mention, just in case if anybody, I don't think anybody else would probably have gotten this far on the podcast, but let's pretend for a minute that somebody has gotten this far, that they've actually watched this whole thing. If they have, I am currently looking for, and somebody that can run, I have a clips channel that

it started off and it's actually like it's monetized it makes money very little money probably 80 or 100 bucks a month if if that might be might be 75 because we haven't uploaded anything in forever but i need somebody who can take my full length content my my two and three hour videos and trim it down to take pieces of it out and make clips and put it on the clip channel and like i'll work out a deal where they'll get you know the bulk of the money coming off of that clips channel. So I just need somebody to do that because I've got this channel that's fully monetized and it's making money right now. Like every couple of months, I get a check cut to me for no reason. If somebody actually started going through and just trimming these things down and sticking them on

there, it may be making a few hundred dollars in a in a month or two. They have to have a little computer expertise, correct? They need to be obviously, yeah, they need to be able to edit. you know like they can download the videos we can we can send them the videos and they can trim them down they could you know run them through a filter do whatever they want to do to them put them up put up like a 15 minute you know portion of this this story a 10 minute one of this one a 20 minute of this one and just post them once or twice a week but I mean you never the thing is is the 15 minute videos they'll sometimes they'll get a whole bunch of views right so you don't know you know that channel could end up blowing up but I mean

I mean, I really just, the guy that was running it basically just didn't want to run it anymore. I think that he was a younger kid and he stopped doing it. We just never really picked it up and ran with it. Right. But I definitely, it's sitting there and I think it'd be great if I could find somebody that could do that. That would do it, you know, really like really do it, not do it for two months and say, I'm not interested. But, but I've seen in my email, I've gotten a couple of people offering to make shorts. out of my um video like hey you need someone to edit your videos you know right but they want to get

paid right yes yeah oh you want people to do it for nothing just no no no i want them to do it for a portion of the monetization oh okay like you can get the month like i'll give you 75% of whatever the channel makes that sort of thing or hey you can take all of what the channel makes up to two thousand dollars or like if let's face it it'll take them a year or two to build it up to much. Right. But all they're doing is downloading the videos that are on my main channel and then cutting them up saying, hey, this is a good story. It's about 12 minutes. I'll turn that into a video. Put that up. And, you know, what do you do? You go work out and listen to the video. And when you're working out, you say, oh, you know what? That was a good story. That's at 52 minutes.

And it went to, you know, one hour and 12 minutes. Okay, great. That's a 20 minute video. So I'll go home and edit it, clip, clip, clip, make a little, make a little thumbnail and put it up there. You do that twice a week. Who knows what will happen with that channel? Right. So if anybody's out there that knows somebody or is interested, I'm not paying anybody. I'm not paying. You got to be able to make a, you got to be able to make your own thumbnail.

And you have to be able to do some editing and post it. But they're making a thumbnail for you, right? Well, for the channel. Oh. I mean, yeah, it's me. It's my stuff. But they're just, look, a lot of people are interested in. running a YouTube channel.

They don't want to be in front of the camera. And if they are already watching my content and think, hey, this guy's got some good stuff, I think I can take some of the longer videos and cut them up into smaller sections and start putting those, then that channel might blow up. You don't know. Right. So somebody might be interested. The problem is what happens is people post for two weeks.

And then when nothing, when they're only getting 400 videos or 100 views or 1,000 views, they're like, oh, this is never going to work. Forget it. It's like, okay, bro. go work at McDonald's. Like if that's your attitude, you know, if that's your attitude,

like you're going to have to put in some time. It takes a while for it to take off. Right. So, but yeah. Yeah. So if anybody's watching, that's,

you know. Anybody on my side or his side, you can contact me or him and let us know. Yeah, and I'm going to leave the yours and my emails in the description box. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the conversation.

If you're interested in any of the stuff we said or getting in contact with me or Zach in the description box obviously Appreciate you guys watching hit the bell and if you're saying hey Matt, I don't want to help you. I don't really care But I would like to support your channel. Please consider joining my Patreon. See ya. I understand you were At the pasted in the trenches. Yes. This is my Vietnam. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Back, back, unfortunately back in the trenches a couple of bad decisions led to my arrest and so um went to jail well got accused went to jail what we're charged with uh theft and and and checks and fraud and forgery that's so unlike you definitely not even up my alley you know so um end up going to jail although this was kind of a misunderstanding i ended up going to jail under i turned myself in because

I was, you know, had the privilege of having a detective not notified me ahead of time. So I work with my probation officer turned myself in knowing that I was facing a violation of my supervised release. Right. So you are currently on federal supervised release. Correct. And the state was investigating you. Right.

So, you know, because people are always like, oh, this and that, you know, okay, well, there's state and there's federal. So it was a federal charge. that was that you knew was going to violate your probation and you could end up going back to prison yeah what like what people don't realize the people don't realize is that you can be on federal probation get in trouble for something in the state and then the state can even drop the charges like yeah you know what it's a misunderstanding no big deal and they let you out and the feds go yeah i just think there wasn't enough to convict him so we're going to send him to jail

for two years you know and then suddenly it's like it's like what what just happened like how did i the drop the charges. Why am I now in federal prison? Well, because you violated your federal probation. And you go, yeah, but they dropped the charges. They go, yeah, we don't see it like that. And that's the difference between having your full rights. Yes. And not have. Freedom and or being on some some type of supervision. Right. You people don't realize, they don't, they don't have the right to do it. No, no, they do have the right. You're not. Oh, they have the right to come in your house and dictate where, how and when you live or where, you know, I'm saying it's just it's right it's it can be frustrating it's it's difficult you know but this time I'm turning my life around I'm not really wanting to deal with that and and I kind of got lucky in the sense where as I said it was a misunderstanding so going in there I was preparing myself to take this all the way to trial to show my innocence right in in hopes of not having to deal with the consequences for the supervised release right so I go like so once I'm in there

six months. I figured it would take six months to come to fruition, which is normal. But of course, you get a public defender. And you know, the public defender extended or waived my right to speedy trial. So I ended up being in there for 13 months right here

in Tampa and the Hillsborough County jail. Right. Fighting my case. So we're going back and forth. They're making offers, great offers, by the way. Like, hey, time serve, probation, you know, one year probation, you know, time served. But that, but you can't take that because you'll get right out on, they go, yeah, time

served and they let you out. And immediately your probation get for your federal probation gets violated and you go in front of the federal judge and the judge goes, you 24 months. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, now I'm sitting in your federal prison for 24 months. Right. And that's what was weird because if I beat the charge, I'm only looking at a technical

violation and I only look at between eight and 14 months. If I were to took the felony, then I'm looking at 20, it was 24, 23 to 27 months. I'm looking at two years. So the whole time I'm thinking, it doesn't matter what you guys give me in any playoffer. You know, I'm going to end up going to prison for two years if I take anything. Right. So we kind of went back and forth debating the, what charges and what I would take. And I said, nah, I'm just going to go ahead and take it to trial.

You know, I think this is kind of a misunderstanding. and you know I didn't I did this with consent and so what happened was as soon as we get to the trial date they end up making me an offer I can't refuse which is like so the day of trial or the week of trial they made me an offer because I'm like I'm going to go to trial beat it and end up with nothing but the day of the day of trial they come up with an offer like listen we're going to drop all the charges give you a misdemeanor And 30 days in jail, time served, we're going to withhold adjudication on the misdemeanor,

so it won't even go on your record. I'm like, are you kidding me? Right. They're like, no, we're not. Right. You're going to get that. If you've gone and won, it would have been. Almost the same thing.

It's really a basic saying you're not going to get a charge. Right. I'm like, run it. So I took the misdemeanor, which only gave me a technical violation on my supervised release for the feds, end up going to the feds and getting that technical violation, getting a year in jail credit for all the time that I had been in jail. And so pop me right back out after 14 months of being away from all of your fans.

Right back to your sister's spare room. Yes. Yeah. Lost my vehicle because they sold it obviously. We'll actually use it as a trade-in. And so I had to like try to raise the money to get a $500 clunker in 1998 Ford Escort. It's sweet. Oh, it is sweet.

It's in the park. It's dripping oil in my driveway right now. That's the beautiful thing of it. It's actually transmission fluid. So it's more important. So. Oh, my God, my poor, my landlord. Did I tell you that my landlord?

I'm sorry I don't know if I ever mentioned this that so my landlord one day sent me a text that said I just saw you on a commercial and I thought us this poor guy like I'm the person you don't want living in your house like he had to be like is this guy living in my house what did he do oh hell no like it's not like he it's not like regular bank fraud it's like this is somebody you don't want around your property. He lives in my property. I might have a million dollars in mortgages on my property right now. I might not know it.

So anyway, yeah, he said that I was like, oh, man. And I was just about to be like, hey, can you renew our lease? Well, how did you get out of that? No, he did. He did renew it? Yeah, he has a sense of humor. But, I mean, you know, we'd never talked about it. Like, we'd never, there'd never been any discussion.

on the on the subject so it was fun so it was funny but you i was going to say you had this a similar type of thing when you started going for jobs well well and and the the problem is like having bad choices all your life at some point ends up biting you in the behind and it does when you're in your 50s and you're trying to get a regular job so the whole time i'm in jail i'm telling myself hey i get out i'll go get a job at a dollar general dollar tree you know some place where they'll hire anybody yeah that's right they'll hire anybody off the street long as you're breathing they'll give you a job so i i go there and interview the store manager loves me he's like you're hired they do a little quick background check so i tell him i say um

so i got a little fraud in my background and he's like eh it doesn't bother me yeah he goes it doesn't bother me but as long as corporate says i can hire you i'm going to hire you everybody's got some fraud there you go Colby's got some fraud no he didn't not in his back you look at his future not his background Colby's never

Colby's never probably never got a traffic Have you ever got a traffic ticket? One time They converted you that quick So So I go to Dollar General Apply

He runs my background check And it actually comes back partially It only comes back with a crime that I committed back when I was in living in Texas. Right. And so it came up that it was a theft back then. And it came up with another crime I committed in Hills,

in Hillsborough County back in 2001. Those are the only two crimes that came up and they were theft. And they still wouldn't hire me. Dollar General was kind of like, okay, so yeah, we hire felons. but just not your type of felon you know we're looking for people would have and it was that old it was that old and they still said no and they still said no dollar general dollar general who would have thought i mean i haven't been in a dollar general and didn't think i was was not being dealt with by a felon there's not one time i haven't been in and going this guy has definitely got

felony think about all the times you went into to dollar general with coupons and thought you're yourself i'm better than this but you're not you're not i absolutely am not That's what still is proof you have a letter that says it I have I have proof that I'm not dollar general worthy I'm worth less than dollar general so what was was that the only yeah I'll take one can I hear give me can we have one peanut butter or peppermint no I don't want a cookie you don't want a cookie no I'm kind of full I eat like a pig the Girl Scouts are out there wondering about are they I'm good I'm good thank you I know it's good and those are the good ones those are the good ones okay so and so so then so then did you to then what you

just gave up went straight back to fraud no no okay no I'm not going back to fraud all right so at that point I had tried Dollar General I also applied at Loz and I and I applied at Home Depot all of those three companies by chance used the same background checking company called First Advantage or something. And first advantage, I think he denied me for Dollar General just basically told the other companies like, hey, this guy's a piece of shit, like right off the back. So I was denied from all those spots. I was going to go try and apply at Walmart and they gave me a first advantage form to fill out.

And I'm just like, never mind. No, thank you. I want to catch that spots. That's right. Yeah. that's not going to work I applied for a job at the spectrum cable so all the jobs I interviewed for I was hired the people interviewed me say we love you we want you to come on board but we have this little background check thing and and that's what's been to block every every background check basically gets them to call and say don't ever come on our property again please but what about what about I've done my time you've served your time that's that's only for a match So listen, that doesn't apply to any, any and most jobs in Florida. And Florida allows them to go back as far as they want to.

Other states have like New York, California, some of those liberal states have limitations on how much you're going to hold against them. Florida's kind of like, hey, whatever they did, make them deal with it. So that's what I've been dealing with. So it's been kind of hard to get employment. You know, I've been living off family and friends, you know, and associates. you know, just to get by, I finally got lucky and landed a job just basically emailing out retainers for people who are in class action lawsuits. So what I do is I kind of call people

who've mentioned something about like Roundup or different products or class action suits that are going on. And I ask them, you know, if they're interested in going ahead and retaining this attorney. If they are, then I send them or an email them a retainer form, help them fill it out online do that docu sign right and once they do it they they get it so I've kind of got a work from home job that started off that actually didn't want a background check because I'm only dealing with emails and certain people so it's going it's going pretty good I'm starting off I'm you know I'm still kind of struggling you know because obviously I start off in a hole because I get out I've lost everything I got to get clothing you know I've got to finish paying off this little

inexpensive car I have car insurance cell phone and all those other normal bills but you know it's my goal to kind of get back maybe start my own channel talking a little bit about some of the people I've met in all of my wayward journeys in life because I met some characters especially this time around in jail people who aren't quite as famous with their crimes as some people who I've been on their podcast well but I was going to say there's the one guy that what that you told me about earlier about um the guy he was all over, Tamp all over the news. The guy who killed his girlfriend.

Yes. And he's just gotten out for trying to kill his previous girlfriend. Yes. Is that the same guy? That's the same guy. Well, yeah. Well, murder is popular, I guess. Everybody's doing it.

Yes. I've met a lot of people who have, but I don't know. He's famous. I think he's more famous for the publicity they gave the crime more than, in what he did. You know what I'm saying? It was a jealous boyfriend in a fit of rage.

But like I can't wait to even tell you about this guy. Yeah, but that was not, okay, it'd be one thing if it was, it was a fit of rage. It'd never happened before.

There was, he'd never broken the law. It was, she was driving him nuts. And in a fit of rage, he, you know, whatever,

he chopped her head off. Because that happens. I can't tell you how many times. You think about it. You think about it. Yeah. If I had a butcher knife But

But he'd just gotten out of prison For trying to Well he stabbed this previous Yes He so being in jail with him He did display some of those tendencies of Cutting off the other inmates' heads No

He was kind of the Mr. Rogers Type of killer You know like he was the type of person He's such a quiet neighbor Yeah, and very, very agreeable, very agreeable, even in disagreements. You know, like, you might come to him and say, you know, a, hey, a, bud, you know, do me a favor. What was his name? His name was Matthew Terry.

Nice. Matthew Terry, he's all over. You could play like a clip, like if you popped in a clip because he's all over the news, all over the news right now. Matthew Terry, I mean, well, well, he already went to trial and the law. He went to trial and lost. He was facing the death. What was unique about him is DeSantis replaced the Hillsborough County. Because they wouldn't put the death penalty on him.

And she was put in the place at 12 midnight on a day. And by 4 in the morning, she had changed his case from not seeking the death penalty to seeking the death penalty. Like as if that was part of the agreement. The agreement to put her in place. I've been bitching and moaning about why aren't you charging this guy with the death penalty and then I finally

and you say well I don't believe in it I disagree, I disagree. So boom, you get walked and the next person comes in and fucking does it. And does it like in the middle of the night. So yeah. Maybe. Might have been something going on there.

It's something. Questionable. Yeah. Something there. But like I said, he displayed tendencies of control like having a being a control freak and as I was about to say

he's very disagreeable in a disagreement so if you had a disagreement with him like hey you know he slept on the bunk because you know they got the bunk beds bottom and top and it's like hey you're leaving your shoes right here where I get up you know and I'm asking if you can move your shoes

somewhere so I already asked you to move your shoes somewhere and he goes you know what you did do that and I can appreciate you know your I can respect your wishes do all this but uh where else do you think i'm going to keep my shoe he just kind of had this this aura of like oh i definitely understand how you feel but i'm not going to do it right like he was very cordial and polite and you could just you could sense the the rage inside of him

yes the other side matter of fact what was funny about him is when i was in the unit with him we were both um porters which is like trustees where we cleaned up Like an orderly. Like an orderly, yeah. We cleaned up for other inmates. We used to prepare their food where we'd heat it up in an oven and then we would feed them, like give the trays and stuff out. Right. And he got into multiple, multiple arguments with people about like where they would throw their dirty clothes.

Like if you threw some dirty clothes to a bin and you didn't make it, some people would just throw it and say, hey, it's clothes and walk off. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that didn't make it in there. very on edge guy like I was telling you it's like I didn't think it was a death penalty for complaining about the chicken that they served you at the in the line

you'd be like hey man when I get this little piece of chicken I'll be in your cell later tonight we'll talk about it's right like you'll be amazed at what that bone chicken bone can do yeah I got to put your knife out of the fucking kitchen

got something for you oh yes yes he was he was quite he was quite politely intense I mean, like smiling and you can just see the fire behind his eyes whenever he stared at you. It was sickeny. It was scary.

So what happened with the court case? So in his court case, like he would go to court, come back that day? Would he go to court and come back that day? Yes. Well, yeah, he would, when he was going to trial, first of all, he was embarrassed about being on the news every day. And he went to the officers and begged them to not put it on Fox, Fox News that had all over the television they don't care they didn't well sometimes they did they would change it

you know because he didn't want he was he was a he was deathly afraid of someone jumping on his case oh okay like that was his number one phobia he would never discuss his case like if i asked him i said hey aren't you going to trial monday he'd be like why never mind what you sorry i asked crazy what'd you hear yeah yeah sorry sorry sorry i asked i apologize so he wouldn't even tell you if he's been to the bathroom he scared you to jump on this case. Did you pee? That's not of your business. But we've been talking to. That's right. Did they contact you? Did they contact you? I just want to know.

Somebody didn't flush the toilet. I'm just asking. But anyway, so, so yeah, he was, he was, so what happened with his trial is he was found guilty because they brought in his ex. Actually, I thought it was because he cut the chick's head off. Well, that probably had a lot to do with it. And they had video of him leaving the scene and wiping the knife off. Really, really his theory was there was the one-armed. The one-armed man did it. Yes, really his theory was somebody else did it.

You know what's funny? I'll bet you that Colby doesn't know about the one-armed man. See, no clue. Listen, I get this all the time. I'll use some pop culture reference from, you know, a hundred years ago and and it's 50 Colby or Connor will be like I just see the blank look on their face and I'm like do you know what I'm talking about they like no you don't know you don't know who the one-armed man is see but he's also oh wait 38 just turn 38 just turn 38 so he's

closer you know Wesley Snipes is Wesley Snipes yes I would guess it's a rapper oh oh oh Oh, that explains everything. I guess I must, I'm going to guess he's a rapper. He's a porn star. But oh, let me. Wesley Snipes. Did you ever see Blade? The movie's Blade?

Holy Jesus. You're like, he's like 26, 27 years old, right? Is that the actor? Yes, the actor. Yeah, 28. 28. Wow. At, you're at 28.

We're already. You have not. Dinosaurus. Blade was. Makes me think, is that, what, a black guy on a motorcycle and blood? Fighting of vampires? He was a He's a nice

He's a vampire Lately He went to federal prison So he hasn't been in anything Yeah yeah Well no he's not He got out though He got out but he hasn't been in any movie

Since he's been out You think it's because They're running that background jack Anyway so Okay so here's what I don't know How Wesley Snipes came up But Well because he was the

The last What was it? The fugitive In the fugitive Yeah And that's where the one arm man was Yeah but the first fugitive What the first fugitive

was the one on man. Because the first fugitive was with Harrison Ford. It was a remake of a TV show. But it was basically, it's a doctor. He comes home. His wife has been attacked by a man and stabbed to death. And he wrestles with the man. And in the course of wrestling with him,

he realizes that he's only got one arm. He had a prosthetic arm. So the whole time during his trial, he's screaming at his lawyer like, find the one arm man. He's like, I didn't do this. you have to find the one-armed man. And so the big thing is throughout the whole movie,

they're looking for the one-armed man. And so whenever people say, you're like, well, who did it? The one-armed man did it. Because it's this person that doesn't, nobody believes he exists. But in the end, you find out he does exist. And he was the one that actually killed the wife, yeah.

So he was screaming the one-arm. One-arm man. There was a burglar that came in, exact fugitive defense. He gave the exact fugitive defense. I wrestled with this man. I fought with this man. And if you find this man.

If you ask me, I was there with him for seven months. If you ask me, I believe that in his mind he cooked that up. I believe that he probably went over every paperwork and realized that he could make that story and make that story fit. And of course, he lost. I was going to say, but the jury did not believe that. Well, simply because he did the same thing to the first girl. So he had a girlfriend at first up in Michigan where he lived, and he stabbed her in a drunken rage of accusing her of sleeping with somebody else. And she managed to, she only got away because the neighbors intervened.

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You know, because they come banging on the door as he's got her pinned and stabbed. And the neighbors are banging on the door, and so he leaves. So that's the only reason why she survived. but this one didn't and he's running out of the house they got him running out with blood saying he's chasing him chasing the one-armed man

or the person that broke in the house and cut up his girlfriend and same story that he came home and yeah the identical to the fugitive but what's so funny is being there with him it's if you met him It's absolutely obvious that he has that capability.

It is the most obvious thing in the world, despite what's shown on television, the previews of him looking innocent. He's like, yeah. Can you believe that? I would never. You see him? You imagine the jury was up there.

And every time they'd say something, I'd look at the jury like, listen, the biggest, the biggest cop. He was the biggest cop. kiss up ever ever I mean like when the police came around he used to dismiss he would dismiss me as listen I'll do the talking in front of the police you don't have we're working together right right so the police like okay what happened to such and such I go well listen okay exactly what happened with Mr. Jones came over this way approached Mr.

Allen asked Mr. Allen like what happened to was Trey Mr. Allen answered and I like I can't even say a word I go well uh uh uh uh Mr. Allen answered him letting him it's like wow super controlling super controlling super controlling super even answers for me so unique unique guy he wasn't your sally though yes oh he no he was your sally he slept right above me oh i thought you was just using that as an example no did he ever move the shoes no but but you're but you're still here yeah i i'm maybe you know i i i was submissive Unlike that ex-girlfriend. I took every spork I found under his mattress.

You're not getting me with a spork, buddy. Wow. So who else you meet? Wait, wait, wait. After he lost, what? Oh, they take him away because he, if you're found for murder or if you get life or an extensive amount of time, they put you in lockdown because they think you might kill yourself. You can't have that.

No, you can't. You can't have a killer killing himself. I mean, justice wouldn't feel like it was meted out. Even though they wanted to kill him, they wouldn't allow him to do it to himself. They feel like they were cheated. So, um, people think he's funny. See, Colby's laughing. Anyway, so, so, so who else should mean?

What else? What else happened? All right. So, all right. So I guess we'll do, let's do the serious people first and then we'll do the non-life-threatening people. So then we have, so I'm in a pod at the Falkenberg Road jail. And I'm one of the.

orderlies. There's four orderlies. So it's three of them are murderers and me. So this is very, so clean up and taking care of business is very serious. Like, are you going to sweep your section? Do you laugh around and joke with these guys? Of course. What do they do? Listen, but they make jokes like, well, Mr. Allen here is the only one with the possibility of getting out. Stop. You guys. Come on. Yeah. Please, come on. You know, I'm a put, but I'm going to put money on your book. Of course. Yeah.

You promise? Yes. Put it down. But the weapon down. Yes. So who was the other guy? All right. Tyrone Johnson.

All right. Black guy? Black guy. How did you know that? How did he know that? Anyway. Tyrone Johnson killed his girlfriend and her son. Wow.

In the apartment. So. Why? Because if it had been on the beach, it would have been more romantic. Why in the apartment? I didn't ask him. Why in the apartment? I didn't ask him.

It was a little. Okay. So he's he stabbed. No, I think he shot them. You never, you never fucked with these guys? Like, come on, Tyrone. Honest, it's just me and you. Oh, my God.

Listen, listen. Tyrone was the biggest zealot of religion. I hate it. those guys. Fake. The biggest fake zealot of religion that I've ever met in my life, ever met. Those, uh, what are the Christian for the stay or what are the day? They walk in and grab the book and start.

Hippocrat all the way, complained about everybody else having a problem. And then when they left, when they leave, they would drop the, they pick it up when they walk in the door and they drop it and they're walking out. The biggest religious fake zealot ever I've met in my life with all kind of emotional issues. So is he, he's going to get out? No,

he, so you can talk like this. Okay. Because if he's getting out, you better be more polite. Never mind everything I've just said. What do you mean he won it? Hold on.

He won his appeal. He wasn't a bad guy. I knew he was innocent. That's right. He didn't kill them. So his accusation is of shooting his girlfriend and then looking for her son. And shooting him underneath the bed. As he hid there.

I think he was 11. Dushbag. Yes. Okay. His reason for doing that is apparently his son, this was his girlfriend and that wasn't his boy that he killed her. But his real son committed suicide. Tyrone was in the military, by the way. I forgot to mention that.

Okay. His real son committed suicide and I guess he was watching a show and his girl wanted him to take her son. I wanted to go somewhere and he said no and she goes that's why your son is a bitch and end up killing himself you know and then that's why he said she said of course yeah okay and well they have video of him crying in the police and crying is something he does quite frequently he's a he's a he's a crier yes he break down every every so often oh it's like tie tie tie tie all right you can have my piece of chicken just ease up guy So he's emotionally unstable. Yes. So apparently his girl said that to him and he snapped and shot her, which, you know, I guess they would have probably been understanding. But really, I think he got the death penalty for killing the boy.

Yeah. He claimed that the girl had the gun and he wrestled it and shot her or she shot him. She shot the boy. All right. During the struggle. Yes. The gun went off. And he shot.

Yeah, and they shot the boy and end up shooting her because she got more into the struggles, what they said. But the proof was that he shot the boy under the bed and then drug him out from under the bed. I'm assuming that ballistics doesn't bode well for his version. No, it did not. And he ended up getting the death penalty. So, um, yeah.

But, um, the whole time, so the whole time he's there and with me. Now he is. It's amazing that the group got along. Like, we got along. We were complimented as being a very thorough unit of click of orderlies. The bathroom was immaculate. Showers were clean, you know. Nobody really complained much about things that didn't get done.

No, I'll bet. It's like, hey, hey, you guys didn't take out the garbage. You have a meticulous fraudster who's very, very cleanly. And you have the other guys keeping everybody quiet about it. Yeah, if you want the garbage taking out, you take it. It was a four-star review every time. Every time. They said we were great.

We buffed and waxed the floors. We were very meticulate as a group. So the third murderer. I feel like this is going to get demonetized. And I feel like we haven't done it. It said anything wrong. But go ahead. Really?

You think so? It may get limited monetization. Just because we keep saying murder. Like that's the kind of stupid The algorithm just says it They'll just be like This guy said this this this Yeah no no

But then you have to ask them to do a manual Or a is it manual review? Yeah manual review I'm not painting them in a good light Yeah you're thinking that there's a logic to YouTube So they may or may not It's an automate So what happened with this other guy

What happened with the other Jason serial killer? Jason Funk Yeah funk Yes That's right yeah Jason Jason Funk

stabs someone. I think it was 26 times. It was a business partner of him. Because 25 didn't seem like enough. And 27 seemed excessive. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, at what point during the stabbing do you start thinking,

this is crazy? What am I doing? I mean, he's long gone. He's gone. I got this blood all over the walls. This is the major cleanup. So let me tell you something funny about him. He wouldn't, so he was back on appeal from the Florida prison.

I think he did this 1990, or 2005, I think it was. Okay. That he committed his crime. He was back on appeal. So he was part of the click also helping out. So your first meeting of him, you would swear he was a flaming homosexual. Okay. I mean.

but he's not yes hey he does that he's been up the road and he is a i'm not going to think of the name kind of a grandmaster of the florida state prisons rdap philosophy okay so he spits out all of those r dap terms oh you're awfulizing oh isaac my god but he's flings you're awfulizing you're taking this as your own flaming like Richard Simmons right in county jail but he's in prison for a murder for a murder so like so figuring him out was like my main thing because I'm going you're super syrupy mm-hmm so if you're up the road with nothing but men and you have life you had to have crossed over you know like I was gonna Sorry.

No, seriously. Like, and I wanted to figure out if he, so in my mind, like, I wonder if he went in, if they exposed them or what the secret said, well,

he would never admit it, like trying to get the information out, like, well, you know, like, did you have a boyfriend up there? He just look at you and,

and keep going. He wouldn't even, he would never admit it. He would never deny it. Super surrepey. There for murder, but is a huge, R-DAP. Let's just call it

R-DAP because I forgot what the Florida program is. Right, right. So similar to the federal residential drug treatment. Yes. So he used to spend his time teaching me the Florida R-DAP giving me all the terms telling me that I was like... So did he go through it once or was he like

did he work in the program? He worked in the program. He was at the institution that everybody in Florida wants to go to for the program because it's a soft-ass institution. Okay. And hung around, of course, you know, nothing but black people in prison. So yes, he did.

So he did. Was he a white guy? Yes. Okay. Do you remember the guy that was in Coleman that was there at the medium for, for a tax, remember tax fraud, not tax fraud for the, he was a sovereign citizen? Yes. And he was.

He's worse than him. What was his name? Because he had to check. He had a check in. Listen to this. This guy had been at the low. He'd become a sovereign citizen. He actually had gotten himself registered as a corporation and then managed to get a judge to write a letter saying that the Bureau of Prisons had no jurisdiction over his corporation.

So it had his name. So it said it was a letter from a federal judge that said that said that the Bureau of prisons has no jurisdiction over, and let's say his name is Matthew Cox, Incorporated. So it has his name. And so he went, packed up all of his stuff, goes. He's laughing. This was a, he's at the low. Goes to the warden's office.

He was at the medium. No, no, this was when he was at the ward. This is how he got to the meeting. That's right. Right. So he went, went to, in front of the warden, stands there and waits in front of the warden's office. Finally, the lieutenant comes along and goes, what are you doing? He goes, I'm waiting to be released.

They go, well, have you been called to R&D? He goes, no, but I have a federal judge saying you don't have jurisdiction over me. He read the letter and he goes, okay, okay, hold on, let me get the warden. Goes he gets a warden, warden comes back, reads the letter and goes, all right, all right. I understand. Are you a sovereign citizen? And he goes, yes, I am. She goes, well, I know what to do about this.

Grab him, handcuff him, take him in the shoe. He sits in the shoe for six months and then they send him to the medium And now he's in the medium Where he never should have been He wouldn't prepare for the medium And Every two hours

He had to check in with a guard He had to go up and show them Because they charged him with an escape So now you were already at the low Miserable Now you're at the medium More miserable I remember his name

God he was flaming Flaming No he wasn't he wasn't flaming Not like this guy? Oh, what? I remember one time you told me that he was on the top tier watching a guy take a shower because the showers were all exposed in the medium, right? Because you can't let those guys, you have to be exposed out there because they didn't want,

you couldn't have a separate private facility because you'd probably get raped. There probably could be rapes there. So your showers were basically right out in front of everybody. You have a door. But from the top tier, you could look down on them and see guys in the shower. Like the door was so far away that you'd have to be standing there naked. And you said, you go, bro, this fucking guy was sitting up on the thing, staring at this guy. And I was like, well, I mean, he's gay.

And you go, still, I just thought he was above that. You're like, and he was. That's how he saw. But look. So. No, he wasn't flaming. You could just tell by his demeanor. meaner he was okay he was quiet jason is flaming i'm talking singing madonna songs hey yeah

flaming this flay mignon this what i call absolutely flaming which but nothing about him screamed murder at all okay you know and he didn't discuss his case and i didn't learn about him until i got out and looked him up because he never he he told me he had life and he probably had no chance of ever getting out he came back on an appeal because I think they gave him an aggravated assault and the murder and they gave him life on both so what had to happen that was excessive exactly so they've been life plus two years plus 30 so they changed it from life double life to life plus 30 and I'll bet when the judge did it hit the gavel he said that's right yeah damn straighten that out got that right baby double life back to jail

double life like I didn't have that coming that's right life was 30 okay reasonable I can do that double life forget about it come on what are you thinking I'm gonna die come back to another life to stop it I'll do 30 I'll do the 30 first it was it was concurrent so he was he was good so he'll get the 30 done in case they bring back parole like that's ever gonna happen so anyway yeah yeah said I got a chance but double life no unacceptable so that was that was his his his hope so Yeah, he gave no murder. He was probably the person that chilled out. He was kind of like my partner in keeping the other two calm because he was, he had done

enough time that he wasn't as upset as the other two who were pending. Yeah, he'd accepted it. He'd accepted it. Those guys were on the, on the beginning, the beginning, the starting point of their life sentence. This guy was, he had, he'd settled into it. He had settled into it. So he, you know, he'd get up, Tyrone would be in a bad mood. crying.

He'd rub his shoulders. Can you imagine that the, all these murders, the one guy's crying all the time. The other guy's like, it's okay. He's like, oh, rainy face. No, you're joking. Yeah, he called him that. No. Who's got a rainy face this morning?

I'm like, where am I? The other guy's yelling, straighten your shoes up. All the shoes have to be pointing. South. That's right. It's like, let's not be so intense, Mr. Terry. Loosen up. Wow, that's a set of characters. Oh my God. And we're all trustees. That's a TV show. Yes. Yes. In fact, we used to tell, I tell people that all the time. I'm like, the trustees are all murderers. They're like, but you're not. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm glad to be alive right now. I never found the body. That's the trick. So listen, I have a question for you.

did you guys so what i do you remember the marshals holdover in atlanta yes i've never been there oh okay well it's it's it's i've heard about it from a lot of people it's honestly it's like a unit it's like a um like a unit at um at at coleman at the medium so if you took one of the the units that we were in like you know it's two tiers and you basically made it like four times as large no no maybe six times as large so it's one long with and then And then there was a gate in the middle and a walkway. But, you know, they serve, obviously, it's like being in the shoe. They serve you through the, you know, you don't get out and go get your food.

So did you guys have to heat up their food and give them to it, feed them through the tray? So this is Falkenberg. It's open bay. Okay. So it's just like the low where it's four bedrooms in a section with a wall up. So there's 72, there's 72 beds. No, there's 64 beds. and then there's people sleeping on a boat

in front of certain cubes. When you come in, you start off on the boat and then you make it up to a bunk. You work your way up to a bunk. The trustees, they have an area we have a washing machine because the way they work is we wash and dry

the towels, the wash cloths and the boxers and the socks. So a unit gets a load of all those new. We pass it out. So when they go to the shower, they have a new towel and when they're done with it,

they throw it in a bin and we wash them. Okay. So we slept in one area. We had one little cube, but we are the only ones that had double, like bunk beds. We had one bunk bed and two regular beds. So whenever we, when the food comes in, they would come in on a cart. We would stick it in the oven, heat it up for about 20 minutes, take it out of the oven, get them ready. And then they would line up and come and get their food and they would eat out at tables. It's open bay. Okay. Yeah, guys, when you said you had to heat up their food, I thought, what, you're heating up their food and bring it to the room. But no, okay, I understand. Heat it up, and then they'd line up. And so we would hand the trays out. you know of course so I want to say this about them they were very they I don't have a nice

or the jail no I'm talking I want to say this about the three the three murderers okay all three of them we need a better a clickier name than the three murderers the three musketeers okay three musketeers okay let's call us the cleaning crew

yeah all right I want to say this about them they were snitches they were told on everybody oh my God they went to the police on everything. Boziak steals a tray. Oh, I'm just going to tell the cops.

Right. I'm like, are you serious? Yeah. The motherfucker took a try. You're chopping people's head. Now you're Mr. Morality.

You stab someone 26 times. They would actually get pissed off. Oh, this guy, he pissed all over the floor. He's shit in the bathroom. Well, I'm going to tell the police. You, you chop some chick's head off. You shot a child and you stabbed someone 26 times. Yes.

And you're upset because Billy Bob took a tray, an extra tray? It's not right. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, well, I would tell them. They argue in the morning if someone snuck in line twice. Oh, you've already eaten, Matt. I was to sit around going, this is unbelievable. These are murderers and they're telling the cops on it.

It's unbelievable. And when they talked about it, they talked about it as if they had some kind of higher moral code than the rest of these drug dealers and drug users. Like, well, you know, I mean, they do that because that's how they live at the house. Oh, they don't clear up behind themselves. That's how they live at their homes. Like, but you kill at your house. So I don't say, I would say why you're not in here killing your house. Why aren't you killing in here?

I don't know. Like, if they do that, just kill them. I don't understand what the problem is. I mean, you know, you're always a. I guess you're a big man when you've got the nice or an 11 year old or a woman. Yes. But when you're dealing with another man, like, hey, Po, po, excuse me. Come here.

Can you handle this for me, please? These guys are no good. So those are the high level people that I guess I dealt with or met when I was there. So there was a couple of people who I, there's a lot. And like I tried to narrow it down to the ones that I thought were hilarious. So, all right. So we had a gentleman by the name of Mike. So jail, unfortunately for America, they lock up a lot of homeless and mentally ill people.

No. Yes. No. So we had a lot of mentally ill. Why don't they send them to all of the insane asylums that they have all over that? They've closed. That don't exist. Like back in the 70s, they would, they had a say, like, you know, Colby doesn't know this.

What just else with Colby? Like, they actually had in the 50s, 60s, 70s, like they had a sane asylum. And then in the 80s, they just closed them all. Do you know what happened? And I can't think of the name of, my memory is garbage. I can't think of the name of the case. I'm hoping I can get it like, but the Supreme Court. So someone sued because there were people being placed in there that weren't technically insane.

All right. And there was a lawsuit that the Supreme Court allowed to go forward, which closed every insane institution in the United States. So that's why they all shut down It had nothing to do with the states Like, hey, I don't give any money to that Because if they thought you were crazy That's where they sent you Right

They shut them now Now they do have a couple of hospitals But they're hospitals And they have a ward for that Right But that is the very unstable, unstable If you have any level of stability They're gonna let you out

And they don't hold you They can't hold you longer in 90 days anyway the way the laws are structured but not to get boring anyway so there was a gentleman by the name of mike who used to from time to time and i'm going to tell you why i i bring him up it's hilarious is because if you spoke to mike at any point in time but after i tell you what he did he would have a conversation just like you and i like if i approach you go hey matt how's it going You're like, I'm good, what's up? No, I'm just chilling.

But he, so his issue was he would take a blanket and put it over his head and then start beating himself in the face. Like he'd go under the blanket and be hitting himself. Like when he'd come out, he'd have a bloody nose or a black eye. He used to run into the wall to, he cut the top of his head and had to go to medical. so i hate to ask it but why do you ever ask him like what are you doing i get a little frustrated sometimes man me too but i've never done that i know i'm a little different you got any chips yeah anytime you spoke to him it was like you can like he could be under punching himself you're like Mike Mike he'd come out yeah hey

what's up eyes what's up are you okay I'm a little down wow and it and it's not like this happened a few times this happened over the course of the police would the police were upset because they couldn't get medical or psych ward to take him because he was so his demeanor his demeanor was so normal at all times like if you talked to him he was fine. Like you say, stop beating yourself. Okay.

That's a good idea. Yeah. I'll go watch TV. And he'd get up and go get a chair and watch TV. His demeanor was every moment, normal. And then two hours later, he'd be beating the crap out of himself. You'd look up and he's bleeding from the nose or he knocked one of his teeth out. And you're like, what happened to you two?

Yeah, I knocked it out, hitting myself under bed for a. So, so what was he in there? for he I would say it's trespassing or the disturbing the peace something like that I couldn't exactly get his charge and every week his mom would come and see him and he would get this package of food like they'd order him a package and he'd get a ton of food and he'd eat it all like a $70 bag of soups and stuff would come and he'd eat it all within a 48 hour period like a feral child and he'd go to visitation

oh hi mom how you doing do you remember Palmer yes Palmer was mentally disturbed the white guy Palmer right the one that used to sweep the compound all the time rob multiple banks

yes that's quite a story too I wish I could track him down he he yeah he was bizarre I talked to him all all the time. Yeah. He, he, he, so did he ever tell you about the time he tried to escape?

Yes. Listen, this guy was just like a normal, you'd think he was just like kind of a normal white guy. So was Mike. If you, if you talk to Mike, you'd be like, Mike, he knocked his tooth out. Like Mike, what happened to your tooth? Hey, I knocked it out, hit myself against the bedpost. And you're like, oh. Well, so.

Okay. So what do you say to that? Paul um just for people watching Palmer was a guy in the medium who had robbed the bank and basically Palmer had told me and I think he sure told you this too is that he'd never had a job where he was able to support himself he'd had multiple jobs he's never able to get one where he could support himself so one time he goes and he robbed the bank went in you know with like a note or whatever it was I don't know what no it was always a note Right, because he didn't get much time. He got like three years. But what happened was they changed the law to where he ended up getting 10 years. Right, because it was also multiple times, too. That's sure they didn't help.

Yeah. Because he'd gone to prison. He'd gone to prison, got out and did it again. Right. Well, he was shooting for larceny because he was trying, larceny is basically using, the law is using the company's rules against them. So the rules of the FDIC in the bank is you have to give over the money. if it's requested,

bring a robbery. So what he would do is he would request the money. Can you please? He put pleas in the note. In his mind, he committed larceny. Well, they changed the law. And if there was any intimidation whatsoever, they put intimidation in the robbery.

And they hit him with a robbery. He was very upset about that. That he got the last time he was in jail, he got robbery. Because on larceny, he only gets five years. So his plan was always just to go away for five years and get back out. I used to talk to him all the time.

And they blew it, Gave him 10 and really pissed him off. Not that it changed anything. He was just super calm. Yes. But one time he had, he tried to escape. He put on like multiple layers of clothes. This wasn't at Coleman, but he put on another prison, put on multiple layers of clothes,

walks up to the gate. Keep mind, these gates are, you've got people in, and you've, first of all, they have, they have towers. They also have the pickup trucks that are driving around, right? The perimeter and the gates have motion detectors on him. He climbs the gate or climbs the fence, climbs through all of the concertino wire. And as he's going, he said, it's stripping off clothing. He's shedding clothing so he can get through all of them, climb up.

He finally gets over the second gate and ends up at the bottom of the tower. And he said, he's down there. He said, I just got it. He said, I'm naked. And he said, I look up. and he starts banging on the door and finally a guard comes and looks down on him

and says hey we got an inmate out here and so one of the one of the pickup trucks comes around they run out and they get on the ground and they handcuff them and they take them back in the they put him in the shoe

and you got charged with like an escape or something which was three years yeah that was his plan though he wasn't ready to get out he was I didn't know that part yes I talked to him all the time He wasn't ready to get out. He was nuts.

Yeah. He was, he was, he thought he was in control. So his, he'd come up with a problem in his head and his solution was more jail time. Yeah. But he didn't like to be, wait, but he liked the medium. Did he like the medium? Like there was, okay, he didn't like the pen.

He liked the medium. Yes. Okay. And he was sweeping the compound all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Nice guy. He was.

Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. So you were saying, so you were saying mental the boom, boom, boom. boom, bang in his head. Well, I bring Mike up because his demeanor is so, so super calm. And that's why they never took him in to the psych ward because they're like, this guy's, there's nothing wrong with this guy. He's very calm and relax.

He's just beating himself up. I mean, is that a problem? Literally, not figuratively. Ah, I kind of beat myself up about that. No, no. He's beating himself up. I'm a little frustrated. Have you, the next time somebody says I'm frustrated, I'm going to say,

have you considered wrapping a towel around your head and banging it against the wall? No? It works for a buddy of mine. It's been known to work. It's been known to work. All right. So then there's a gentleman by the name of Roderick. So.

What did Roderick do? Well, how many of these lunatics are on this list? Well, we got Nico, who was the millionaire snitch for the feds. Oh, yeah. No, let's go. Go to Broderick. Well, Roderick is a Anyway,

Roderick is a big, well, no, Roderick is a, How do you explain it? So can I explain him and then you give me a description because I can't come up with the proper derogatory term for Roderick. So Roderick is the kind of guy that he's a people pleaser and he kind of does everything.

He's one of those people, that gets along with everybody. Like, hey, how you doing? What's up, man? What you need, man? I got you. I got you. Right.

So he hangs out with a bunch of different girls. And some of these girls sleep around. So he might hang out with some prostitutes to sleep around, give him a ride. You know, he might have a brother. He'll deliver somebody needs some drugs. He'll deliver some drugs. He'll pick up drugs and help him out. So he had a prostitute that I guess he was friends with that ended up that was

sleeping with a supposedly a senator okay right so this girl told him listen this senator is i think it's a state senator but i'm not sure but this is a story he told so i don't know if it's true so he supposedly this girl ended up sleeping with a a senator and the senator was doing drugs or something and he'd fall asleep so he'd smoke weed or something to pass out so she told roderick that would pick him up so he's like whoa the next time he falls asleep call me Because then they're thinking they're going to go by his house and she lets him in and they steal a bunch of stuff from it. Right.

So I guess the senator falls asleep. He gets the call. He gets the call. He goes over there. Still some valuable stuff, some like some, what do they call it, paraphernalia? Not paraphernalia. Memorabilia. Right.

Some sports memorabilia. Supposedly some money, some jewelry, like watches, like Rolex and stuff. They still all this stuff out of it from the census. and they both leave. So he gets arrested and he goes to jail for, obviously, trafficking drugs because he was on the run for, I think he had got into a shootout with somebody or something along the line. So when he goes to jail, he decides that he probably wants to tell on the senator. He wants to use the senator's information as leverage.

Like, hey, I want to tell somebody about this. situation. The senator has a drug problem? The senator has a drug problem. That's not really a get out of jail free card. Well, he's thinking it is. But he's kind of like a multi, multifaceted hustler that runs around and he boasts.

So he tells everybody in the unit about this. He's walking around telling all these people that he's about to get out of jail because he knows a senator that does drugs and he's going to turn it. You're not, but okay. well he didn't yeah but that was that was his master plan to do it but i guess i didn't work out too well for him so he's kind of a kind of a schisting hustler that tries to hustle a bunch of different people you know he was it was kind of bizarre okay low level street hustler low level but he was funny though if you if you met him he can't he kind of he kind of talk if i can do his voice like

listen listen listen zack my man zack what's up man Oh, my God. One of those guys that's always happy at all time to see you. Yeah, that's my boy. I'm telling we all going to come up though, man. You know what I'm saying? All right. Nico.

My man, Nico, so Nico explained to me the ways of snitching. So, a, that I didn't know. I mean, like, insider snitching. So Nico did federal time, and got his trafficking charge reduced down to, I think he was sentenced to three years and ended up serving one for like kilos of cocaine, something that would normally get life. He ended up with one year. In a matter of fact, he had my lawyer, Ms. Paul Mary, who insisted. Public defender? No, she was his lawyer.

He paid her. Who insisted that he shouldn't do, he paid her less than I did, by the way. That's upsetting. Okay. Anyway, you know, I paid, anyway. Is this for your first, for the federal charge for the first time or this time? My federal charge the first time? Yeah.

Yeah, I paid Lori. Oh, okay, that was her. Okay. Yeah, I paid her. Anyway, I'm very upset about that. But anyway, he paid her and Lori argued that he shouldn't spend one day in jail. To the judge. Whereas to me, she argued that I should be willing to take responsibility.

for my crime when I was arguing against spending 10 years in jail but she got in front of the jail and I'm reading the transcript and argued the judge that this man shouldn't spend one day in jail but and I told him you know to me she argued that I should be happy to only spend 10 years in jail anyway love Lori so you follow the 2255 against her right yeah don't get me going down that road all right so He was teaching me the ways of snitching, giving me insight that I did not know. So insight number one, the feds pay snitches. Yeah.

So if you're lucky enough to become a paid informant, they give you a percentage of whatever the drugs are worth or whatever money is seized. that also includes ghost money and drugs so if I'm a paid snitch and let's say Corey is is doing drug transactions all right and I approach Corey and I say hey can I sell you a million dollars that's Colby oh yeah Colby sorry Cory Colby I got it wrong for to say face plus it's been 15 months so sorry so Colby's selling drugs yes and and I'm a paid informant if I can get him to agree to buy or sell a million dollars worth of drugs and he doesn't have it right I would get like a percentage of the million dollars that he could never have come up with to begin with and they would actually pay me that nice I told him I go you're lying he goes

no, I'm not. It's in an agreement that he signed. So informants that are paid are paid a percentage of whatever. So obviously they look for a higher level drugs. So the more drugs they can get someone to agree to, the more money they actually make. It's absolutely unbelievable. So he is a millionaire from the people that he's set up. What was he doing in jail?

because he sold to he had four sales in St. Pete where he sold to an undercover four different times and he gave him eight charges. He violated supervised release that he had five years after only being out eight months he absconded. Like in my 14 years in prison of doing legal work, all of the informants that I have met and the stories I've heard about informants, they are the. worst people in the world they try to play both sides consistently they feel like if the police are on my side i can do whatever i want yeah i i'm i listen i met a guy in in the low that was literally i mean it was insane the stuff he was telling me it was like i mean he's and he'd get he'd get caught for something and the other DEA agent would come in and say look you can't charge him with that like like we're the ATF we have no i understand he had the guns i understand this i

that we've got him he's in the middle of this huge drug transaction you can't charge him and they dropped it so a lot of times they would protect him you know but i understand at some point when you are no longer valuable and you keep have gotten away with all this stuff one day you get busted you go hey man i need some help and they go uh-uh and you get 20 years and they're like what i don't understand we had an agreement it's we did but you're we're done with that now on that pack i got so much to say about it so um one of the so he taught me a lot that was one of them the trick that always blew my mind was that he wanted to snitch on someone because he's in we're in a state pod we're in a pod with people to state right and the state doesn't well

they didn't do like snitching and time cuts They are starting to now, just so you know I wanted to tell you that. I learned that. Florida's starting to, if you tell, we'll give you less time type of shit. Right. But so all the state people in there, he was walking around gathering cases. So when he's telling me this, I say, well, he goes, yeah, I'll just have them move me to another pod. Like, I'll get a case, somebody will tell me enough to get me a case that I can turn into them, and I have a move me to another pod.

I say, well, don't you think it would be suspicious that you move? He said, no, what I would do if I left, and say I got moved out because of you. As soon as I left, I saw anybody in the pot, I tell him, hey, Matt's a snitch. He told on me and they moved me out. Which, like, in my mind, I'm going, that is freaking brilliant.

Because you've just reversed the entire, you're the snitch. And how do you prove that you're not the snitch? Right. And everybody's saying it, well, they moved so-and-so. They moved. Oh, he got moved. Oh, Max, when they got on, they moved, blah, blah, blah.

And I'm going to myself, like, you guys have. Yeah, no scruples. None. None. You're absolutely unbelievable. Plus, they're paying you all this money. What? I was going to say, when the FBI came to see me at Coleman, they offered me money.

And I went, no. She's no, I mean, we can put two, three hundred bucks on your books, you know, on your account. That way you have commissary. Like, I mean, I, you know, I just want to make sure that you're taking care of. I said, no. I said, my fear is that I cooperate. You get a case and we get in front of the judge or the prosecution. And the prosecution says, Your Honor, like, we don't need to give Mr. Cox any time off.

We've been paying him for all of this information. So because I had spoken with my cousin who said, don't ever accept a dime. Because he had met a guy that they were giving him like a thousand. dollars a month for like a year and a half and when it came time they busted the people they just stopped showing up and he was like okay wait a second i need my time cut and they said well yeah but we've we've been paying you he's like i didn't do this for the money they were like the i know but you know we went to the prosecution and they said look that we paid this guy whatever $18,000 of the past 18 months and and you know he was like well look he's got something out

of it like i'm not going to file anything for this guy he's got a couple more years he can do those a couple of more years, as if $18,000 is worth two or three more years. But, you know, he said, yeah, he said, so, so my cousin was like, so if they offer you money, he goes, don't take it. So when I sat down, they were like, listen, you know, if you need me to, I can put money on your books. I said, uh-uh, nah, I know about you. I'll starve.

No, yeah. Well, both, I think both sides are, are scumbags. Yes. Yeah, I get it. I'm fine with that. You're fine with that. Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say, it's. It's just that some of those people go bad, Matt.

They actually use the law to break the law. They think that they're, you, you weren't in that category. You didn't like try to use law enforcement to be able to sell and deal drugs. Right. I mean, they use them to bring down their own competition. Right. Oh, you want to mess with me? I'll get you arrested.

Yeah. You know, I'll use the government as my, as my own retaliator. So, like chopo. Like chopo. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I'll give you information on this guy, on these cartels, on this guy and this guy,

and then have them all have your competition busted and then you blow up even bigger. Yeah. So go ahead, sorry. Oh, no. It's just that, and Nico, I guess, had come to the end of his line. You know, he had discovered a body for them. Yeah, he said he had a buddy that had shot somebody and asked him if he knew how to get rid of a body. And he gave that to the cops.

And the cop goes, we just need you to go over there with a wire on. identified it as a dead body in there and then we're going to go in. And he said he kind of walked in, you know, and the guy, oh my gosh, is that a dead body? No, no, no, no. They asked him if he could, like the people call, hey, can you get rid of a dead body? He's like, yeah. So he said he came in and the guy, he goes, where's the body at?

Let me see the body. So he said he walked in. This is why Lori was saying that he shouldn't spend a day in jail. So he walked in and he goes, and he sees the body. The guy's laying there. He's like, what the fuck happened? He goes, we got no argument over, blah, blah, blah, blah. and I shot him.

He was like, okay, well, let me call my people, and I'll get him over here, and we'll get that out of here for you. And he said, the guy pulled the gun, like, and put it in his face. He's got a wire on. Right. Right.

And he said, he doesn't know what happened and he didn't panic. Like, oh, get in here! Get in here! He said, all of a sudden, he just kind of like got cool and said, what are you doing? He goes, I don't know you, dude.

He said, the guy with the gun said, I don't know you, man. How do I know you're not fucking going to the cops? And he said, he looked at him like, dude, you, one of your, moment. Dude, you asked me over here, bro. You called me. Yeah. Like, what the fuck, man?

He's like, do you want me to get rid of this thing or not? He goes, well, fine. If you feel that way, then shoot me, motherfucker. And he said, started walking off to the door. He said, about to piss himself. Walk to the door, open the door, and left and close the door. Went to the car and said, Oh! Get over here.

That's right. Cops bust in and took him to jail. He said, Lori fought. that's the reason why he had already testified in trials to get his time down, but that's the reason why he only spent a year in jail on a three-year

sentence. He did a year. And he wasn't even out six months before he caught a whole new four sales and delivery. And you said he'd made a ton of money. So he had a ton of money out there. He didn't need to do it. He just you know the problem is that you

get into that life and you don't know anything else. And then you can't even stomach going to a regular job you're like i don't understand i'm gonna you're telling me i gotta bust my ass all week and you're gonna give me like five hundred dollars like fuck that because there's never been any consequences for you no you know it was funny because that's one thing he said that i one of the lines that stick in my mind from being in there as he said he said he was living a lifestyle where i committed a felony every day and i told him i said you know i remember when i had that lifestyle like every day i'm committing felonies you know what i'm saying it's it sounds funny

As a criminal, but if you're saying that to a person that's never been to jail, it sounds atrocious. Right. You know, but as a criminal, you're kind of like, yeah, I remember that. Good times, good time. Yeah. A felony a day? I'll top you. Two felonies.

It's crazy. So last person, I call it Mr. Pathetic. Now, I met him on the tail end of, this is a long story. No, I didn't. I met him when I went to work. At some point, I went. to work in the kitchen as a at the hillsborough county jail falkenberg road they decided one day that they're going to give me the privilege of working in the kitchen so i'm like you know and

like we're going to move you to another unit and we're going to move you to a quieter unit where it's quieter and we're going to give you probably two trays for lunch or two bag lunches you guys are too good to me i know and we're going to give you a chance to work in the kitchen where you're be able to eat extra food and we're going to cook you, like, we're going to give you some of the food that we feed the staff. I'm like, wow, awesome. They're going to treat me good. And they moved me from the clean unit with the murderers into a unit that's filthy.

So this is when I learned that me and the murderers kept the unit immaculate. Right. So they moved me to a filthy unit. The unit is absolutely dirty. The people who clean up their garbage. As a matter of fact, when I complained, they're like, I'm like, dude, have you swept the bathroom? It's junk all over around the toilet. He goes, the brooms over there.

Like, you sweep it, motherfucker. Dirty unit. They have a tablet that you can use. So when I'm in my unit, I get the tablet all day. Right. In this unit, they don't pass the tablet out for later hours. Plus, you're working, so you can't even use the tablet that much. Then they send me to work.

they're like okay you're working a 10 hour a day shift six days a week so then when I go for an extra tray yeah I'm burning off the extra shay easily when I go into work it's washing there's 2,000 there's 3,000 there's like almost 4,000 people there so it's washing 4,000 dinner trays twice so when I come in I'm washing the breakfast tray because at lunch they give you a bag So as soon as I get to work at 11 a.m., I'm washing the breakfast trays. Then I'm turning around and putting food into breakfast trays, sending it out for dinner. Once the dinner trays come back, I'm washing the dinner trays. After I wash the dinner trays, I get to go back.

How long did you do this? For about four weeks. Until. Well, until I got fired for talking during count. If I had known that, I had talked to the fact. second fucking day. Horrible. Why did you keep doing it?

Why didn't you just say, look, I'm done. Yeah, I'm not doing this. I don't know. I said that to myself many times,

but I don't know. I don't even have a good reason, man. I don't have a good reason. So anyway, send me back to the murderers. I want to go back to the murderers. At least it was clean.

And they wouldn't tolerate these little pieces of chicken. But no, listen. So in that unit, there was a couple of people who didn't have to work. I don't understand.

why they were there at all. One of them was, and I can't remember his name, I called him Mr. Pathetic. So he had no money and no, and he claimed to have no money and no friends. That's how you introduced. Hi, I have no money.

I have no friends. Well, he wanted a cup of coffee. It started off with begging for coffee. And being in jail, and I know you know that coffee is, everybody begs for coffee because it's the appetite suppressant. Right.

So he's banging for coffee, I give him coffee. So after about the 10th time that day, I'm like, dude, he's like, man, I'm sorry, bro. Right now I ain't got any money. I'm waiting to get out. So he's telling me his story because he's, you know, trying to befriend me. So I guess I give him more coffee. So he's like, oh, you know, I'm really, I'm only hitting here because, you know, my wife put a restraining order against me. And I'm here for violating a restraining order.

I'm like, really? I go, how long have you been in here? This time I've been in here like about a month. I said, this time, how many times you've been in here? Go, this is my fourth. I said, what the hell were you in jail for before? Drugs? He goes, nah, I just keep violating the restraining order.

What? I'm like, against your wife? He's like, man, we've got two kids, man. We've been married for about 22 years. I don't understand. Like, all of a sudden, she just up and was tired of having me around. So I'm like, okay, well, what kind of work do you do? He goes, I don't work.

I said, what kind of work did you do? He goes, well, I never really had a job. like so of course my mind's going like what what kept her what made her what made her weight 22 years so i've i've never he's never had a job his wife owns a successful chiropracting clinic she's the owner with other chiropractors under her they live in a very large well she lives in a very lot he had to get out right well she yeah go ahead in a very large house and he claims that one day she came home and just like, I don't want to do this anymore. I want you to get out of my house.

Supposedly, he says he drinks and he goes into a drunken rage or something. And so she's like, I'm tired of you. I want you out of my house. It's over. I say, well, if she's seeing somebody else, he goes, not that I know of, she's just tired of me, but I don't understand, like, why she's tired of me. I do. Exactly.

I'm like, you know, we've been here 20 minutes. I can, I've got. Get out. Yeah. I have some insight on her So So I'm like What about your friends?

He doesn't have any friends And he was living with his dad And his dad was on the verge of throwing him out I'm like Listen, Matt Matt You This is a human

pathetic Like if you looked up pathetic in the dictionary Is this picture I mean why didn't he get job I don't know that would be a question you would have to ask him yeah no I was just you never asked him he just didn't want to get a job couldn't get a job no he said I think he said he was going to get a job but he he got out what's holding you back he got out and he came right back twice so he got out came back because I was there

about a month so he got out about a week and a half came back to the same units and a unit must have supported restraining order like it might have been people who broke restraining orders right he came back for breaking the straight restraining order again yes and then like I left that unit because he was supposed to get out like within a month or something okay I left that unit a couple of months later as I was leaving I ran into him or going to court I ran into him I said I go did you ever get out he goes yeah I got out I go how long we're out or about two weeks what happened I called my wife life.

Why? Well, she said something. I don't remember. I think he said it was a Facebook posting that said something that he didn't like and he wanted to ask her, why would she put that on Facebook? Curiosity does not trump.

Does not trump the restraining order. Super pathetic. I said, what about your dad? Is your dad tired of it? Yeah, my dad's probably going to kick me out this time. I don't know where I'm going to. to go but he asked me to keep in touch because he just doesn't have that many friends so i was hoping to introduce him to you mac i'm good are you sure you don't want to interview him

i i i get out of my house i'm uh i'm all filled up with my uh pathetic friends No, I'm talking about someone else. Oh, of course. They're not even friends here. I mean, anyway. But, I mean, that's kind of the long and short of some of the people I met there. I think I listed all the ones that I really wanted to meet. I mentioned in my 12 months at Hillsborough County.

When I went to Pinellas County, there wasn't really any. What about the guy that you had told me earlier about a guy that was in a high-speed chase or something? Oh, yeah. I have his name, too. I meant to look him up. He tells that story much better. The only part that I think is cool is when he was, because he drove across the skyway, like both ways. He went to St. Pete, that he turned around and came back on the skyway.

While being chased? While being chased. took him through like three or four counties listen he jumped into the the hillsborough county and he was in the hillsborough county river for about nine hours hillsborough county river is not river not river um what the bay the bay okay for like nine hours trying to allude them yes why were they chasing him he said because he dropped off a friend and he felt he was high he dropped off a friend

and then he felt like someone was chasing him turns out if you drive like someone's chasing you long enough people will chase you and he goes that's probably what ended up happening what's with this guy you know what

I'm going to chase him I'm actually going to chase him that man needs to be chased that's exactly what happened him he thought someone was chasing him and he goes like you say eventually so what started chasing him so he jumps out the car and runs I want to see if I can track him down I'm going to see if I can find him he'd be funny oh my god listen he's hilarious if he's sober he's also very easily induced

hell I'm boring you so no no I'm sorry I woke up at like three in the morning me too really yeah why just you just do now well I was scared you know but I'm just I just wake up. You know, it was, for a long time, it had been breakfast time. So anyway, I was going to say when everybody, I used to wake up at like, you know, five and everybody would go, why, why you wake up at five? I mean, that's when they turn the lights on. The guard, do you have the, where they would do that, in the low, they would turn on the lights.

For like four o'clock count or five o'clock in the morning, they would turn on the lights and walk around the count. And it's like, come on, man. Like, what are you doing? And then they shut them back off for like an hour and a half. like you know it's you know so you wake up it's like I might as well just get up and go get some coffee now they already counted I'm allowed to walk around and I'm walking around what the hell then I'd go watch a go watch the infomercial for home title lock and think I should be on

that commercial I really should they don't have anybody like me and now I'm on that way now they do I mean hey that's what they hang so it's it's good to be back and and back and play trying to put your trying to put it back together trying to get it going so um those are some very interesting people to me some of them I've managed to to kind of talk to some I want to track down and see if maybe we can bring them in here and talk to him and share more in depth their stories that are probably not the guy that beats himself up I don't think you want him in here I mean if we can keep him calm um no always oh yeah that's right like how funny would that be? He's sitting there with a broken nose, bleeding, blood, missing a tooth. What happened to

do? You feel like, I was upset. I'm a little frustrated. Like, what's he locked up for? I've been beating my head against the desk and obviously I broke my nose. You got a tissue or something. So, so you're trying to get back on your feet. Yes. If someone wanted, if someone was so inclined to say, hey or declined but to say we you want him declined so hey let me send this dude 20 bucks because you know he's trying to put his life back together he's owes a couple hundred dollars to to uh to uh uh uh overdrawn on your bank account from when you you know took off like they don't stop billing you for stuff no they don't um so you know and they were so inclined like are you going to be able to open up a like we'll have we can put either

Colby can put his like before Colby put put his PayPal right or you can get a PayPal or cash app and I can put it I'll get both of them we can put it in the in the description okay yeah please please if you can help me get back going so that I can make more frequent appearances and kind of get my life back going and can stay on the right track this time get what I'm determined to do get out of the sister's spare room yes yeah listen because I was in Stacy's spare room forever my friend Stacy I stayed in her stair room I told you that right I stayed in her well the cop that we she was running basically a rooming house like she's got me in one room she's got the cop in the other room yeah yeah yeah the cop in the other room yeah she was going through like a divorce

and you know needed to stay somewhere and went and moved in there wow a female cop on that yeah she was a forensic cop oh wow um did you guys exchange stories yeah she was she was she was interesting she was an interesting person um so uh i was going to tell you did i ever tell you this that i stayed stacey has in her house she has like a salon and she also had a really big walking closet in the salon i moved my bed into the closet and slept in the closet and she was like there's no windows in here are you sure you want to do this i'm like because that way in the main room the bigger room which was about the size of a regular bedroom i was like yeah but i can do my student in here I can paint in here and the bed's in the way so if I put it in here it just fit in the clot so you could open the door walk in and lay in bed it was just perfect I fit perfect and she was like yeah there's no windows I was like no it's cozy I'm you know after 13 years no I'm good in here this is nice I sleep good in this so yeah it was I stayed in there for yeah about 13 months I think 13 14 months is I stayed yeah bizarre bizarre Jess would come

and see me at the house yeah we'd sleep in the in the closet we would put my put up my laptop and watch movies and lay in bed and watch movies and and honestly like thrilled like it was like this is awesome like you're in a claw you live in someone's spare you don't even live in their spare room you live in their closet you're watching youtube videos on your laptop and you guys are like i've got it made that's right like compared to prison yeah it's much better oh yeah much better much better No guard, like, shut up. Yeah. Oh, man.

No murderers feeding you dinner. So, yeah, that's not bad. Good times. That's right. All right. Anything else? What else we got? Well, what about the YouTube channel?

Yeah, let's say. YouTube channel. Should I promote it? Yeah, because we're going to, so shoot a video and you're going to put it up on a YouTube channel. Right. Where I'm going to kind of start talking to a lot of the people who I've met in and out of jail, giving some stories. of other people that I know that describing them,

putting my little spin and sense of humor on it. Hoping to take the channel to a level where I can interview a lot of different people, maybe throw in some skits and depicting some of the stories that we describe in jail situations that we think are hilarious. So please check it out.