Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Multi-Million Dollar Crime Boss: The Insane Life of Devin Reilly

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

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It was a business to me from day one. I went from in to steroids and gambling. If there was a way to make money in it, I did it. I played softball to the state police. I'm selling 50 pounds of a in the trunk. I was under 24-hour surveillance for 18-month straight.

They had kingpin charges against me. My first offer from the state was 80 years with a 40-year minimum. So you could be out in 40? Who the fuck is going to do? I'm out. Fuck you! I was born in New Jersey.

My parents got divorced when I was 6 or 70. I don't remember how old was. My father's a prick during the divorce the whole time, you know. Growing up, living in two-bedroom, my sister and I and my mom slept on the couch. You know, my dad didn't give any money as the attorney because he knew all the judges in town and he would always get out of it. My grandfather, he was my best friend. I called him Jack. I didn't even call him, I called him Jack.

Right. But he's my best friend. Like, he was my guy on my 17 birthday. So let me go back. My mother got divorced my father. Her high school sweetheart, she got very, very, very, very, very, very, you know, reunited with and married him, his name's Rick, my stepfather, best dude in the world. He was like, my real dad growing up. Right. My father was my friend. Rick was like my dad. So if something

went wrong, I'm calling Rick. I called dad to, you know, if you want to hang out, you know, that kind of thing. Right around my 17th birthday, I moved back with my father. On my 17th birthday, my grandfather passed away. Okay. So I went to see him and he said, good, you know, he said, happy birthday, passed away about five minutes later. Was he sick? He had cancer. So three months before that, He coughed, went to the doctor. He was a smoker. He died young. He was in the 60s, early 60s.

But that was my guy. So the deal I had with them was my grandfather and my grandmother said, we'll give you $5,000 if you don't do drugs. Okay. You know, to get a car. I don't. So, like, you know, my friends would, like, smoke weed. And I'd go in the other room.

The feds? The feds. I don't know. 17th birth to my grandfather passed away. Right. And that's kind of when everything went downhill. You know, I didn't have anything to lose at that time. I wasn't, I wasn't, my mentor is gone, you know, kind of.

Because my stepfather was a great guy, but I was kind of with, because I was with my grandfather every day. You know, lunch, I mean, like I said, pick him from school from when I was in fifth grade every day. So I started driving. And at 17 is when I kind of just went the other route. So, well, I mean, like, were, but you're saying, like, drugs weren't, were they a part of your life? No, no. I mean, my father, my father's an attorney. So he'd party with all his attorney friends down in the basement for the weekend,

they'll fucking up all, and then sleep all Sunday. But my father drank. Doesn't sound like the normal attorney to me. This is, this is. Yeah. So they had this whole crew. He's, you know, he's a local, local attorney. At 4.30, they go to, walk to the bar.

Stay till 7, go home and go to bed. I mean, that was kind of every day. He was a functioning alcoholic. He didn't drink at all during. the day but from 437 he go to bar you know they buy everybody that kind of thing right um and then they have cards in the basement you know this is in uh in the 80s you know they'd have like card games with six or seven attorneys down the basement they stay in the basement all weekend then he'd sleep all day sunday and go to work on monday he never missed work either right you know um and my mother

was totally opposite you know she's the never doing anything wrong kind of you know right that kind um so no it wasn't definitely like a typical but my grandfather was typical like he was just a regular guy right and that was my mentor so and i mean so but i'm saying you weren't into drugs at that point no so how is how did you make the leap from so you just immediately said oh no i want to go get your drugs okay i was down to that we have beach house and i was watching m tv that went mtv was music and ice tea hustler music video came on with the drug dealers the cools around the pool i was like i want to do that I can do that.

If these dudes, I can do it. And that's, that, the Icy hustler is the, what got me started in the drug game. He ruined you. Ruin me. Unintentionally ruined me because I'm, you know, I must have just been soft. We'll have to get that. We'll have to get that. We'll have to get the clip.

Yeah. You know, the icy, and I've looked for it, but it's, you know, the MTV in the 80s, you know, but it was, yeah, probably like 81, 82. I don't know what came out. But, yeah, that's what got me in the game. So how did that, how does that start? Like, how do you know where to go? Well, how do you know? living in Philadelphia is drugs are very accessible everywhere you go so you know and you always know somebody so I was going to school there I knew the drug dealer I knew the neighborhood drug dealer in the city you know that kind of thing but in Millville where I lived but prior it was you know they didn't have that because they didn't have access he had a couple little projects but you didn't go into projects because you're scared right so when as I'm as my the day my grandfather died I still remember I'm at the stoplight by his house I pass a car I was like I'm going to get A ball like I'm going to break this I'm going to

figured out. And that's that's kind of how it all started. And so I went to Philadelphia because I had the access that where my mom I had access to drugs there much easier. I just see one of the guys say this I want to eight ball where I couldn't in Milville you'd never find that. Yeah, you asked one or two people. Somebody's going to tell you go to talk to so I'll make a phone call. I'll go pick it up. Yep. So it was 120 hours of first April I think it was back then. And what are you? So I get a home and I call it my friend Keith. He's then one ended up telling on me. Right. And we break it into 20 back. And we make, I think it was $300 worth of $20.

So we would double our money plus $50 or $60. So we did that. And so he lived in an area called Woodbine, which was probably 15 miles down the road. It was a sending district to the schools in Millville. So Woodbine was between where I wasn't like the shore. So there was a lot of traffic through there. Now, I never wanted to hand sell drugs. And my thing was, if I'm going to prison, you're going to know.

Like, I'm not going to jail for a 20 bag ever. So I never, I never sold 20 bags to. anybody here you know here's six 20s give me a hundred back you know here and he would do the same you know and he take his the woodbine and it grew very quick because we were accessible you know right where in the town where he comes school we were accessible and people would know so my junior year of high school is kind of like when if you see the video that's when the process you're talking that's when he started he started selling drugs on my behalf right you know yeah i was going to say it's It's funny because, like, out of all the guys I've, you know, interviewed, you know, the drug guys, the drug guys that got into selling drugs because they were using drugs, they never seemed to go anywhere.

Like, it's always like they're, there's really just selling for their habit. Even if they're making a little bit of money, they're not making very much money. They're never, never even making enough to really be middle class. It's always lower middle class. It's the guys that go in, like, what was the, do you remember the guy that had all the gold he had? to dig up? Yeah. I forget his name.

He was good, too. $10 million Cs or something. Yeah, yeah. He wasn't a drug guy. He was totally just a business to him. That's me too. I hate these guys. He was like, these guys aren't making money, but they're not, or these guys are

breaking the law, but they're not making any real money. But then he realized he's like, but they're not really running it as a business. They don't know how to run a business. They're doing it. Like, I'm going to go sell these drugs because my electric bill is due. I'm going to go sell these drugs because I have to pay, rent. And that's it. And then they just stopped. They start fucking around the rest of the time, you know, until they more, until another bill came due. Exactly. And they're the guys that Keith

would sell to, the ones that, you know, Keith didn't really do drugs either. Right. You know, he smoked a little bit or once. But he, we, that's, it was a business to me from day one, you know, when I was, as I was going on, my grandfather's ice business, I was 14 or 15 years old making business decisions for the company going to my grandfather. Like, listen, we should try this. So I have that business mindset immediately. I don't like drugs. I'd never like drugs. I think they're disgusting. Right. You know, I just, but I love money. You know, money and women are my two

vices. Right. And I can admit it. You know, you say, oh, he gets I don't do drugs. I, I do edibles now because they said I couldn't, because of my felony, I couldn't get my medical marijuana card. Well, guess what? I went and got my medical marijuana and I buy a dispensary. I've never bought a drug off the street

to consume. I mean, like, you know, and I don't drink. So from day one, this is my I want to be, I don't want to sell eight balls. Can I ask you a question real quick? Yeah. Do you, do you not drink because of your father? Do you think?

I don't know if it's that. I just don't enjoy being, I like knowing what's going on. Right. You know, um, I think it's like a control. Of myself. I don't want to control anybody else, but I don't be in control myself. Okay. You know, I don't make, I make very, very bad decision sober.

I couldn't imagine if I was drinking. In that, you know what I? Listen, so my dad's an alcoholic and I've always said like I, I, when I was a kid, I just realized I'm not going to drink. Yeah. I'm not going to be this guy. And one of the things I always say is like, listen, you understand that sober, I'm a borderline asshole all the time. All the time.

Can you imagine me drunk? And I do. And I want to be, I can't imagine drinking and being out of control and making fucked up decisions and these guys get into cars and accidents. Oh, yeah. And, you know, listen, even like that, and it ruins your next day. Right. I want to get up next day and start running. Like, I don't want to sit like I have a headache, feel like shit.

I watch it. And you know what? There's nothing more embarrassing than when you see how people act when you're the sober one. And you see these other people. I'm like, if you knew what you'd look like, you would never do it. My father was never out of control when he drank. You know, he was to say, he functions. You wouldn't even know he's drunk. But he just had eight VO stingers. Like he caters and, you know, he didn't act. He raged a little bit. You know, like, you know, we'd fight and things like that. But he was, wasn't like a, an alcoholic to where he was like

stumbling and things like that. Now, I had picked him up a few times. Like, you know, at being a lawyer in the city, he drove a Jaguar, X.js. That's V12. The, the, I would, I just had my license. I see this jaguar in the parking lot of dominoes with a big water, but he fell asleep in the car. The cops just called me to go get him. You know, as I'm looking, he'd be in front of the bar that he'd go to all the time, just sleeping in his car, with his car running.

So I don't want to be that dude. Yeah, yeah. You know, if I do it. So that there's just no desire. Like I might do it take a sip if I'm out to dinner with, you know, here, try this. Okay, it tastes like shit. I know it's going to taste like shit. But if you want me try it, let's do it.

So. All right. So, um, so you said you, you, you never sold to, you know, you never sold in the street. You were started selling immediately to, to street dealers. Yes. And how do you, how long does that go on before you start climbing the? That's what, so I had to talk with Keith. And so I was like, so I went to see Keith.

I said, listen, here's my idea. Because I, I see there's a market here for this. You know, because like said, it's so accessible in Philadelphia that's not accessible here, but there's people, listen, you're selling, these eight balls are getting sold in 20 minutes. Right. Let's take over this whole woodbine area. We want to supply a certain area. And I know I can figure out how to get there.

So my struggle was getting that next connection, going from the eight balls and the quarters to the four and a half ounces, nine ounces, those kind of things. So that was kind of my job. You take care of it. I'll take care of the stuff up the top. And that's what I actually end up doing. How does that come about? So I, in Philadelphia, you know, there's all the Italians and you got Jamaica, you know, all different neighborhoods. I was talking to, he was a pretty good friend of mine.

He's like, listen, you go to this apartment complex, you walk upstairs, you go in, go to the back, you get anything you want. You want 100 kilos they have them. It's like 7-Eleven. It doesn't make sense. Right. Okay, but listen, you're young. I'm young. Like, what the fuck?

So I pull my hat down low. I'm tan. They think I'm Spanish. You know, like, I was 215 pounds instead of 270. Right. So, you know, so I walk up these steps. and it's Jamaicans and Haitians or whatever they were. And I walk in his door and I look down a hallway probably 100 feet.

It's of projects. And the doors are all cut in half. They're like barn doors. And there's cages at the bottom, like fencing at the bottom. And there's dogs in every room. Okay, barking as you're walking down this hallway with this other guy. Dogs everywhere. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

You know? Yeah. I get to the dogs at the back or something or just. So I walked to the end of the house. the door. I walk in, there's a table like you have set up here with just kilos and a triple beam in front of you. Okay? What do you want? Like, so I had enough money on me. I think at that time it was for like nine ounces. It was $7,200. I don't know what the number was, but I had that money on me. So I'm like, I'm a kid. I'm like, I want nine ounces. You know, like, ah, I get

it. You know, so as I'm walking back, I'm like, yo, what are these dogs here for talking this guy? And he has broken English. So what happens is, he's explained to me, if the cops run in, They hit a button, the doors open. The dog come out into the hallway so the guys at the end can get up to steps they have in the last apartment and get to the apartment next door and get out. So it was just the way they set it up.

And I tell this to people all the time that don't understand. Drug dealers, outthink anybody. You know, who else? There's not a guy that would think of that. That's a smart move. The cops ain't getting through those dogs. That's horrible.

They're going to shoot all those dogs. And listen, I like dogs more than humans. I was going to say, I would feel bad But there's all these dogs. But that was their job. I mean, you know, and they hit a button in that back room and before they got to the thing. That sounds like something that you would think would be in Mexico or Venezuela. And that's probably where it came from.

Right. You know, I'm sure there's a big guy that came down. So I got to that level. And so then I had a connection here. So what that started doing is that started bringing other people into the organization. Right. You know, hey, Keith, go talk to this guy. Bring him down.

Let me talk to him. So I never really made direct talks to people. I've made them come to me and we'll say, this is what we want to do and I can do it better. Because I'm not getting high. Right. And I'm not, you know, I want to put a good, I still want to put a good product out because I want them to take mine and not yours. Right. That kind of thing.

So that's my mentality all the time. Yeah, I was going to say, I have a buddy who, it was funny that these guys were in L.A. And it was the same thing. They ran it like a business, but it's funny because the guy at the top, like everybody always, somebody's always, not always, but, you know, in their case, the one he was a gambler and it was like there's always some guy who's got some fucked up thing vice yeah some vice that and it wasn't drugs

it was just like he was just a fucking degenerate gambler he said by the time we would figure out he doesn't have the money or he's you know flipping shit to get money and the money's gone or this and that and you'd be like okay well how how deep are you in he's like and it's not like he owes 10 grand he owes like I owe half a million dollars

or I own 1.5 million he's like and there are mobsters look for him. It's like, oh my, how'd you get that deep? Right. And yeah, it's, it's a, I mean, I think it takes a certain type of personality. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. It's kind of like, you know, I've said this before, like it's like, you know, you get these guys who are CEOs and

and presidents of the, you know, or, you know, mayors and, you know, governors and presidents and, and, you know, and they have this narcissistic, you know, um, personality disorder. But that's, that's his disorder, but that's also what made, got him to the president. Yes, correct. Because if he didn't have it, then he'd be working at Walmart as a manager. Like, yeah. So it's always something like those guys that are risk takers that are willing to do this insane shit and break the law and take the risks and do everything.

sometimes there's just some other fucking thing that comes along with it. I mean, at the end of the day, we all have something that hits us, you know, and I try to, listen, I try to stay focused and discipline.

I do. I mean, I didn't spend like, you know, in sneakers, I didn't buy cars. I just wanted to money. Right.

Because I got, what am I going to do next? You know, I'm always thinking the next move or the next two moves. Um, so I didn't waste any, any money at all,

like, at first, you know, um, my biggest thing, I fly to like, uh, Oregon to see somebody.

You know, that was like my big like that's it right but and when i do that i'd worry about the guys home they're either breaking in the house or stealing the cash or or in the bag for hitting something out and putting some an isotol in are you are you um like are you flashy with money are you spinning i i didn't spend it but i carry cash like i just carry so if i'd be in the store i'd you know pull out of five thousand dollars and twenties look like an idiot you know and i see that now but then it was just every day it was nature you know it's it's one of those things i guess you you know, complacent's not the right word, but it's just, you don't know.

You know, like, pulling out, a while while pulling out, you know, all these stinking 20s. Yeah. You know, that kind of thing. And now it'd be even, it'd be even worse because now nobody uses cash at all, at least, you know, 20 years ago. Everybody had cash. Absolutely old people will still just carry cash because I just, if I see someone on the road, I want to buy it. Like, right, I don't want to say, oh, let me go get to my debit card to ATM. No.

Here, you need, you want 10,000? I got $7,000 cash right now, take it and then let me get out of here, that kind of thing. God. Um, so, so what, so what is like, were there, what are you doing as far as like the organization? Is it just you and, and Keith? No, we brought in. So it took about, like, is there a hierarchy? Like, what's the, so what did the FBI, what the DEA chart look like? So it was, right. I was at the top. Yeah. So operation deal breaker. You can still look it up. Yeah, that's what's called. You know, it's operation deal. So that's what they called it. And they called it that, which is we're going to go ahead, but they called that because I was on the phone all the time. So they had phone, I was phone tapped for 18 months. I was under 24 hours surveillance for 18 months straight. And you would say, oh, that's a deal breaker? No, I would say, hey, listen, make the fucking deal.

So I'm called my real estate office and we're negotiating, make the deal. Because the market was crazy when they're, I mean, the real estate market. So my thing was always, they'd make the fucking deal. So Keith called me, hey, listen, they want this, that make it happen. Fucking make it work. Let's get it out. Turn it over. I was always making the deal happen.

So they called my Sting Operation Dealbreaker. Right. So it was me. And then there was Jamal, another guy. that we didn't even do things together. We borrowed things, but they put us at the top and then everybody down. Okay.

And Rosetti was two, you know, right underneath me. And then it went, you know, him. Because there was people in the, in my raid that I didn't know. You know, just all the way down. Yeah, yeah. And of course, you know, you get all that. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You got 36 code defendants. I don't know half these fox. Like, I don't care what they're doing. Yeah. So, I mean, were there, did people ever get picked off and you like. So here and there, you know, so we live in a.

smaller city, there's 25,000, 20, 25,000. Here and there, you get, like, somebody get called with a 20 bag, you know, a hundred piece. And you always hear like, oh, they told on, they told on you, they did this. But there's really never, there was nothing they could do to me. Yeah. I mean, you know, they would say your house, you know, we'd have people, your house, they're watching your house because I had these little apartments, that guy stayed there all the time. I leave, you know, your house is hot. Well, you know, the streets talk, more than the cops talk. Right. So that's, it was more that. But you have to know that if, if, if these guys are getting picked off left and right and they're mentioning your name and then the cops know

know they know but if they can't prove anything what are you going to do right you know but at some point they're at some point they're going to put together a task force or something and say hey we got we got this guy's been name's been mentioned 30 times in the last two years we know the we know what the structure is we can't really get to him but we got to figure out how to get to him yeah at some point they're going to start building that well that's so i sold drugs for 18 years right um so that's 18. I got caught. And it only got caught because, only got caught because of 9-11 the Patriot Act. Okay. So they tried to get warrants on me for years and couldn't get it. Patriot Act came and, you know, they hit the towers. They came out as big Patriarch, nobody read it, but it gave the government, the authority to listen to anybody's phone for no reason.

Right. So that's what they had on me. They couldn't get me hand-to-hand any ever. And, you know, they had, they had a task source set up one time. I know, you know, going after us and we just stopped. We always had people that kind of knew inside things. So my big, when they did finally get me, my hometown, they didn't even tell the cops that they're investigating this. So the feds were on me for 18 months, 24 hours a day surveillance. And I didn't know it. One time I saw them.

You would think you know. But after doing it for as long as I was, I wasn't even, like, I know I'm clean. I wasn't clean. but I thought I was clean because I'm not touching it now. Right, right. And you get the biggest problem with the feds is they just don't stop. Yeah. They're unlimited.

I'm playing softball around the country. They have a fed in a plane next to me. I'm playing softball. They're in the woods taking pictures of me. And I'm just playing ball. Right. So it's, you know, that kind of thing. That's how they got me.

They got me in a phone call. They listened. They raided me early. Well, can I ask a question real quick? So you said you were getting stuff. stuff from the Jamaicans, but did it always stay with them? Yeah, so I went ahead. So no.

So after I got to, I started making different connections. Like I'd go to Vegas, you know, and I, I've met a couple guys out there. So I got into, I went from Coke and weed to steroids and gambling, like bookmaking. Okay. Like every, if there was a way to make money in it, I did it. I grew marijuana in the woods. Like, so because, you know, you're buying this junk weed from California and shit for $800,000 a pound. well, you can grow this shit in the woods and get $4,000 pounds.

Right. Makes sense. I went to Amsterdam, like you said, just to buy seeds. Okay. I never smoked it. So I took a guy with me, flew in first class. He goes, we go to Amsterdam and you've been there. I'm taking them to these, like, shops, you know, where they sell the seeds and they have all, you know, the cafes where it was.

He's getting so fucked up. He can't tell him if it's good, so he's got to go back to the room and pass out. Like, you know, so I end up getting seeds. I tie him in my jacket to come home with that. And, you know, through, through New York customs, yeah. Oh, I mean, did it ever, were you ever bringing anything from, nothing ever came from the cartel or so I, so I went from there. So I met a guy and they introduced me to another guy.

And it was a guy that's not a guy. Right. And that's just how I went. Right. You know, because I don't need, listen, I don't ask names usually. So I ended up in Florida. So that's how, and it was coming right off the boat from the Italians. Okay.

So that's what that and so I would, so I would, so I. went from a court a ball quarter that way up to 40 keys on a phone call which i didn't touch i never touched it i just i what i did i count the money sitting a bag on a greyhound down there to florida and back then keys were 16 000 a key where are they now yeah i don't know a lot more listen it was like eggs you know i mean i don't fucking know 30 40 000 i'm sure right um yeah i was gonna say it's it's funny whenever i talk to people there you know the whole like you're saying all and Listen, all drug dealers always like, they didn't catch me with anything, you know, because at the time, you think, well, I don't want to have it. You might as well have it.

You know, listen, same fucking difference. Right. Same thing. You know, they never, so when they raided me, they, so let me get to the, here's how I got rated. Yeah, no. There's a great story. I called Jamal, who was on the list. He was the other guy next to me.

So we played softball together. So if I needed four ounces or nine, he had his own thing going on. He was a junior black mafia, junior panther. I don't know, one of those things. I don't know what it was. But we didn't, like, I didn't buy for him, you know, but if he needed something or I needed something, just, you know, it's like, here, take four ounces.

When you get yours back, give it back to me, that guy thing. So I call him one day. I was like, listen, I need four and a half ounces, you know, trying to do, I don't know what the fuck I was doing. So he's like, all pick it up at the gym. So I said, okay, so back then I'm all juiced up. You know, I'm fucking in everything. We're playing softball.

I'm both, got stairways run through my veins. You know, I pick it up at the gym. I'm driving home. and his his gym was about 30 minutes from where I was living. And I'm driving on, so I have four ounces and I have 50,000 D ball in my truck, which are a dinabal, you know, the pink stop signs back then. Everybody was doing them. So they're in a Ziploc, the gallon bags, like we used to call pound bags.

And I have this Coke in the thing, but it's in the back in the duffel bag in the back of my, I was driving an explorer. So I'm driving down the road. Now, I've been doing it so long. I don't speed, all my paperwork's in order. I check my taillights. I got back up to a building, you know, with a mirror. with a window to see to make sure

we tell lights all work. Right. So I was 100% like I overthaw everything. Yeah. And my father's an attorney. So I never, my driver record was perfect. I had a bunch of like,

when I get a speeding ticket like I was, he'd get it downgraded to like hindering the ambulance or some, some dumb shit. No points, but just like a fine. So I'm, I'm driving down this road, back road and I see a cop in the,

um, the Comcast building in our parking lot. But I'm not speeding. Got a little cruise control. 50 mile an hour. This cop pulls up behind me. Yeah, I ain't no problem. So at that time, my daughter's mother was dating a cop.

So I'm like, he's breaking my deck. Right. You know, which, because at this time, I've been doing so long, this is 2003. I've been selling drugs 11, 12 years already. You know what I mean? Like, I know you can't get my car. All my paperwork's right. And I'm not nervous.

Right. So even if he pulls you over, he's going to give you a ticket. You figure you don't have a certain much car. You're not going to. You can't. You have no, no reason. So he pulls up behind me, he gets out. And then as I'm there, another car pulls up coming the other way on the other side of

street. I was like, they're going to fucking Rodney King me. Right. Like that's something. They're going to break. They're going to beat my ass. Right. Because this dude, Sean, or whatever's name was, my daughter's, their boyfriend, he's mad,

whatever. You know, so I'm like, fuck. So I keep my seatbelt on, you know. The cop, I give my license. He's like, how's your license? I said, it's perfect and clean. So I give him a license, registration, insurance. He walks back to his car, about five.

Mancillary comes back and another car is behind them. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I didn't do anything wrong. So he's like, um, it's never a good sign. No. And, you know, now my assholes get a little tight. So he comes up to when he's like, um, you and your chemical enhanced arms or some shit, you know, like, I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.

You know, I'm in a tank top and like gym basketball shorts. Right. So he's like, get out of the car. I'm not getting out of a fucking car. For what? Like, you guys aren't fucking me up. And again, I wasn't thinking drugs because, and I was just complacent. And I know you weren't not getting the back of my seat.

So he's like, get out of the car. He reaches through the car and tries to pull me out of the window. I'm not fitting through the fucking window. First of all, my head will very fit through the window. You know what I mean? I put it in drive. I take off. Yeah.

So you're dragging him? No, no. So he let go. I put in, now I'm going to explore. Like, you know, the square explorers old school. Yeah. And I'm driving. I don't fucking break this speed.

In my mind, there's a, there's a Malaga Lake. It's about six miles from around. I'm going to the lake. I'm putting this shit in the lake. Right. Like I knew what I was doing Every time I went and picked up I did something I knew my escape

Where I was gonna go So I'm driving down They got like the I put my blinker on At every stop street I didn't speed They have the road blocked off Before the main road

The Route 40 that goes to this lake I go around and well now they shoot your ass But before like you know They're coming out They'll shoot you if you go Try to go through a roadblock Now they didn't I went around them

Stop to the stop street Right and for them Put my blinker on waiting for traffic pulled out by this time there's 10 cars behind me and i drive by the police station or malaga police station and they're lined up in the parking lot like just i'm like fuck like all right i'm on this out but at that time i was such a dick i'm on the phone ordering flowers for some chick and i'm calling michel who was my broker like hey michel

listen i don't think i'm going to make it to work today it's like 10 o'clock i don't think i'm making it to work she's like what are you going to beach or something like i was like i think i got the leg. I got a little problem. I'll call you in a minute. So I had two phones, one for work, one for play. So I go, I see the lake. I make terminal blinker on, pulling, pulling the parking lot, get out, jump into water, right? And it's nasty pond. It was a pond, like lily pads. So I, okay, I was going to give the drugs. So as I was driving, though, as you're going around the bend, so the Coke was in like three, the shopping bags, you know, like the plastic, like the bodega bags. It was like three of them plus a lot of

a sandwich bag. So I'm taking the other bag. I'm throwing the bags out the window as a so the cops can't see them. There's flying by them. Right. So I have this, I have the steroids in my shirt tucked in. And I have the Coke in my shirt. So I put everything in and tucking my pants as I'm getting out of the car, run into the water. They're all pulling up behind me. I get 50 yards into the water. I go down. I open my shirt up. Take the bags, empty them out. And then open the bag with the flow of the current and send the bag down. Turn around. You guys got it. me like you win all right i'm getting a looting charge or you know whatever and at that time i only know what eluding charges were so they commit i walk out of war they're long guns there's

probably 50 cops out there and that the article's in the paper till it's funny they got long guns we're gonna fucking shoot jessie not gonna fucking shoot me you guys win like okay you got me right and it's a little bumble fuck city they arrest me they at that time i got hair like you okay they grab top of my head they hog tie me hey be behind me behind me my back and put my legs up, okay, on a picnic bench. So they have my ankles tied and my hands tied behind my back. Right. And these motherfuckers are pulling my hair up, empty interior gas, or pepper gas on me. I'm like, I'm going to die. This is, I'm going to say there's no cameras. No, there's nothing that nothing. That would never have like, this is, no, today,

no, today, I've made 10 million. Yeah. No, there's no cameras. And it's just this, and he's just, he runs out of one can. He's like, give me another can. I'm like, okay. Okay. I was like, can you please call the paramedics? Because I'm going to die. All right. So finally, then you go to put me in a car. They're carrying me in a car because my ankles are cuffed and my hands are cuffed. I get in the car, small like lily pads and mud, like straight shit.

Eyes I can't see fucking. They take me to the police stations. I just went by. They washed my face off. They met it comes out like to the thing. They wash my face out. You know, do all the eyewatch. They're charging me.

They're talking shit. I'm like, I'm bailing the fuck out of her. You guys didn't get shit. You know, like, fuck you. Right. You know, so they go through my truck. I have two cell phones at the time. They go through my truck.

They give my cell phones back. They, but they keep the truck. So it's like probably three o'clock now on a, I think it was a Friday or Thursday Friday. I think it was Friday. They say, you have a half hour to bet. Your bail is $50,000 cash. You have a half hour.

If you go to county jail, they're not going to process. You're staying a weekend. Do you want your phones back to call somebody? I was like, fuck yeah. I'm not using your phones. Again, what a. fucking idiot. Think about it. Why would you? I take my phone. Why would they get my phones back? Yeah. They want you to use their phone. Right. So I call this chick. Yo, I need 50,000.

She brings it right over. So I walk out a half hour later. Like, is this choreographed with the FBI, or they're doing this on their own? Well, I've come to find out after the fact. Well, let me, let me get there and I'll tell you. So I walk out. I take my phones, I want the phone. Take my phones. That's all. They keep everything else. So I go to my house. Let me clean my house up, just in case. Because, you know, like something just doesn't feel right. Right. So I have, I give her, clean my house out.

I have a couple bottles of steroids, a couple thousand, $5,000 there and a scale because I have this like digital scale. Like, it was my baby, you know, big thing. So I left that in the house. A week later. Okay. Mm-hmm. I get raided.

Right. Well, what happened was they shouldn't have pulled me over. They were in with the FBI listening. They hired those guys to listen to my phone calls. So they knew I was dirty coming down that road. So this sergeant was trying to be a hero and knock me off with these fucking all this coke and steroids when he shouldn't have. He almost fucked the whole deal up.

So he knew what was going. They were just had hard on that day. So that's how they got me. That's the reason he pulled me over because one of his guys was listening to the phone calls for the feds. But that gave you the heads up to kind of clean up. So I clean my house up. But I never kept in my house anyhow.

Right. But I still, so again, so I get, so a week later, 10 days later, whenever it was, I'm laying I'm in my bed. I got my kids are young then. I have three kids there. And I had Michelle living on the other side of my house. Michelle was my broker at the time. She, um, I sold, I had a buyer for her house.

Michelle, sell your house. I'll build you another one. Right. So you were, you were, and during this whole thing, you're also doing stuff like I mean, I understand you're doing a bunch of, oh, you've got a bunch of other businesses. You're doing other things. But one of the things you were doing is. real estate or your real estate.

I'm a licensed realtor. Yeah. Okay. At that time. At that time. And the market was crazy back then. Like you couldn't, house were going.

What year was this? 2004. Okay. I mean, it was insane. That's when houses weren't on a market day and are going for 30,000 over the first day. Right.

You know, it was insane market. So it was fun. You know, that's what I was saying they called Operation Deal Breaker because I was always on the phone making deals too. Um, so I, they, they, they, I hear them kick the door. You hear my dog barking first. Then they kick it.

I hear the door you kicked in. okay then they throw a flash bomb through my bedroom window when i get rid of it they know your kids are there yeah they did have i was under 25 that's what fucked up okay so but it's all part of the game they take my kids out with long guns a fucking six four and three right they take michelle and her son out with long guns i'm like now if you're following me you know i'm not a violent dude you know like and you've never heard me talk about guns on the phone so what do you come in the house like that for you know um and that's kind of like the fucked up part like they just it's a whole show of force that you're you're powerless that you know we're in control that we

run whatever we want to do even though the truth is if you asked any of those cops do if we knocked on the door do you think he would just turn around let us cuff him and take him oh yeah he'll he'd come he'd come up peacefully i would listen because i didn't know what i thought it was for running still i thought i thought this because i ran i thought they got a warrant to come to my house and see like what was you running for right that was in my head so i was always like i never i don't dress up like my father the suits but i always put them together jeans shirt, you know, I'm not with the Walmart white t-shirt. And, you know, like, I'd never be seen like that out of, out of my house. And so what do they do? They put some like fucked up

sweatpants, orange shirt or some shit. Like, my hair's all fucked up. They're taking pictures. I'm like, you motherfuckers. Like, but again, I don't know how bad this is. I hear a machine coming down the road. It's a fucking backer. They're trying to dig up my backyard. Why? Because they think the money's buried back there. Okay. Okay. Is there a reason they think that? Somebody tell him that? Somebody, somebody, yeah, somebody had said that he buries money, but they're so fucking stupid. What we were doing, we used to bury under the pine trees in the woods. When the weed would be done, we'd put it, we'd get, uh, totes, bury it in under pine trees, covered up. And that's how he'd keep our weeds. Right. But somebody said, we're bearing much. So they came in, they,

I got a septic in the backyard. They're fucking tearing it up with tobacco. Of course. So they, the DEA puts me in, or the FBI guy puts me in a car. He's like, yeah, listen, you want to talk? I was like, man, don't talk about. I was like, plus, again, I'm thinking it's not a big deal. Right. Because you got nothing. There's, I, you know, I ran, you got that, but you got no drugs. And again, I don't know the extent of this.

So we go out, we pull out the end of my road and we make it right. And it's about a half mile down the road is Michelle's real estate office. And I'm looking at the real estate office and there's FBI's carrying computers and shit out. I'm like, ah, fuck. This might be a little bigger than I thought. But I'm still not putting it all together. Because like said, I've been doing it. other shit for so long I would think it'd be something else I make a left to go to the staging area

I see the fucking news vans with the antennas up you know the red coiled antennas on the yeah yeah I'm like this for me like what the fuck yeah for me we're here at the police station yeah this is the fire department oh okay this is this isn't a police station I'm like whoa oh shit make the corner see that I see all these motherfuckers sitting there like ah fuck this is not good and you didn't there was nothing that kind of gave you one time one cop one time you saw one cop and what happened with that you just I just played up because he's coming down around I was like it's kind of weird because he was on his back road like you thought that's a cop I know he's in a fucking Ford

Crown Victoria okay and you know younger guy definitely fed or state state you know undercover definitely but like that major driving down the road right because at that time listen I played softball to state police and I'm doing 50 I'm selling 50 pounds of weed in the trunk right you know so you felt very comfortable very i was too i was way too comfortable but you know in my and to this day even my life emotions play such a part in people getting making bad decisions that there's no emotion attached to this shit with me so i was just like what better place to do this and with all the cops there who's going to think i'm selling 50 pounds right you know and i'm taking bets from these guys you know so i was doing you know i was in with everybody um so when

when i get there and they keep pulling these people in and i mean more and more people board coming in. I mean, so it's about a hundred mile radius for all my co-defendants. It's 60-mile radius. I'm like, fuck. And that's- Are you seeing these guys coming? Oh, yeah. We're in, we're in, they took the fire trucks out and they had that, that was a staging area. There's picnic tables everywhere, you know, everybody, every news channel is there. Like, it's crazy. I'm like, all this for some fucking drugs. Like, what the fuck? So, they got me in the corner, of course, and they're making like a spectacle of me and they're bringing all my co-defendants. I see they, they arrested Michelle.

who's, like I said, she's never seen a drug in her life. She's never seen anything. She's the most innocent chick care of me. Like I said, I told him, if you grab her phone and type in like, fuck you or shit, you won't get it. Like, she's that dry. Right. Like, she's never seen any wrong.

You know, she's just straight by the book. But, of course, they charge her up with Kingpin, too, because they think she knows something about me. And she knew nothing. Right. But I was always on phone with her. We were tight, you know, that kind of thing. But I'm sitting there, they're playing.

Do you remember when Acon came out with Locked Up? That song Locked Up. Do you remember? I listen to country Okay, okay So he came out with a song Locked up They played that fucking thing

For seven hours straight Seven fucking hour straight I'm in the reception area Of this fire department And they're playing locked up All the on loop They're like yeah So you want to talk

I was like no And as I'm watching them They probably took 5,000 fingerprints That's there's all digital No digital shit back then It's all the fucking And I'm sitting there And I'm like

What the fuck? They're saying And they're writing charges as I sit there, they're fucking these pink sheets are coming, or green sheets are coming out. And I'm looking, I'm like,

oh, fuck. Okay, here's another one. And then, but I'm such a dick still. I'm like, just tell him a bail, I'll be out tomorrow.

I'm going to go fuck. You know, because at that time, you don't think. Then, so then, so they separate us. So they,

after everybody comes in, like so it's about seven hours. They take me to Salem County jail. I live in Cumberland, which is the neighboring county, which is a federal holding facility. And they take everybody else to Cumberland or let them go,

whatever they did. and one of my co-defendants was a prison guard at the time. So he locked him up too. Right. Well, this pussy is crying in the sale next. I'm like, then, shut the fuck up. Don't be a pussy. You're fine.

You didn't do anything but buy some drugs. Like, dude, shut the fuck up. You might have transported an eight ball. You're not in trouble. I'm going to lose my job. Shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? Like, as we're talking through the vents.

Right. Then you're going to be, don't say a word. I'll get you out. We're good. Yeah. And then the story goes. So, I mean, when you saw your lawyer, when did you realize this is? So my lawyer, so I, so after we went to the fired hall, they take me to Salem County,

but they take me to reception of the jail. Well, I had known the officer there. Right. So I need a phone. I didn't get a phone call. Like, I got nothing. Like they didn't. So I called my daughter's mom at the time, like, yo, she's like, I already know it's all

her news. Everybody knew. So my attorney. salt news and came down at like four in the morning to the and that's what he's like he's like it's trumped up you're listen we'll get you out because he does all this federal shit you know he's like you're good we'll get you out the 500,000 dollar cash only bail is insane like you know we got murders and get too you know so I was like all right give me to fuck out I don't go fuck what it is get me out he's like just sit a few days just said I'm gonna get a bail

reduction but you know how that works we go to bail reduction and what did they say oh not only we're not going to reduce your bail but we're going to give you no contact with your co-defendants too. Well, these are people I talk to every fucking day. Right. Everybody they got is everybody in my life.

So I got no contact with my co-defendants. That was tough. Right. 15 days later, bailout. And that's just when everything started. That's when I'm starting to find out who's telling and who's not. They're putting in the paper

that Keith Rosetti's telling on me. Jamal's family comes to me and says you got a dude telling what are you going to do what the fuck what do you want me to do so I was like so my I call my attorney said I don't give a fuck what you do you better drive around a fucking priest because if something happens that dude you got to keep him alive right because if they want you there's no reason they're putting a dude telling in the newspaper unless they want something to happen right yeah I'm with this guy and I can't talk to him, but what do you do? You know, I'm like, you got to stay alive, bro.

Like, you something has to happen. Like, you have to, don't lay anything on to you. Because if not, I'm going to jail for a murder charge. Even if I don't do it. Right. And that, yeah. Well, I mean, I understand. You said you, you didn't talk to him.

I didn't talk to him through. Oh, okay. Because at this time, I had paid for his attorney. So Keith, I had given $20,000 to go to my attorneys, another attorney in the firm I was using. I didn't know that he took to my, money and paid some fucking clown 5,000 to negotiate a plea deal. Okay. Okay. You understand? So he took the money, negotiated, went to, you know, just an ambulance chase of $5,000 lawyer instead of my big, big attorneys. Right. And, you know, hooked up with the feds and everybody else.

So what, what happened? So at what point did you, did you, did you, were you digging a hole where you're like, poor Keith? No, so I, I took newspaper, his girlfriend worked at a grocery store, right? So I wrote on newspapers and gave it. I was like, you got to tell this dude, like, he's got to be careful. So nothing happened to him, luckily. You're saying like you were looking out for him. Listen, I was going to prison.

I was getting charged. No matter, I don't care if he, if his brakes went in his car, I was getting charged. Like, it was 100%. I mean, my attorney's like, I've never seen them do this. You put in the front page of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Rosetti's testifying it, we're both out on bail. It's not like I'm in, you know, in holding somewhere. Everybody's out.

Everybody's out now. Like, who, why do you do that? So I'm smarter than, you know, in that aspect. Like, emotion. But you can see how that's an availed threat saying, hey, you need to be careful. I do. I'm looking out for you, but I don't, I feel like this might mean something else. I got, is that or I got to fucking kill him.

Right. I mean, I want them to stay alive because I don't want to charge it. And I'm getting, I'm still at this time. I think I can win this case. Right. so I'm like everybody just chill like we're okay but you know I mean like you said it's just fucking it goes bad he's yeah what happened with the Fed thing remember the Fed so yeah so the so when I got the feds and the state police rated and the DEA rated me right the state then went so I got

charged initially I was getting charged by the fed so I the feds came they're the ones to scoop me up they're the ones that run in the car with them and it drove me to the place the whole thing when I was in in Salem County they went to court the state went to court against the feds in a late night thing and they sued the feds to get my case because they could charge him with kingpin they had kingpin charged against me where feds is 10 year a powder cocaine is a 10 year max kingpin in state is 25 the life okay so this the state's case was we've been watching this kid since high school he's not 30 fucking years old right We got a lot of money invested. You guys only watched it for 18 months. You know, granted it was 24 hours surveillance for 18 months. So the judge actually granted my case to go back to the state with just more time. The first, my first offer from the state was 80 with a 40.

What does that mean? 80 years with a 40 year minimum. So you could be out in 40? 40 years, yeah. Who the fuck's going to do? I'm out. Fuck you. 80.

I'm like, so I'm like, I'm like, my attorney's name was. was Mike in time, Mike in Skye. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Nissan. Buy your tickets now. I get a free Tilly Dog.

Chilly Dog, not included. The Naked God. Tickets on sale now. August 1st. Mike, are you fucking insane. Fuck, no. If you come over. He's like, well, I got to present everything.

Guess what? Don't fucking call me again. You're getting a fucking quarter million. Get the fuck out of here. So. At that time, I wanted, listen, I knew I was guilty. You know, what they wanted for me, they, they, I got pulled over a few times while I was out on bail.

I got pulled over once. They followed me. I pull up and my father, they still had pay phones back then in the 90s. Right. Because they, you, dad, the fucking Chevy Malibu was following me. And then all of a sudden, they jump over the curbs, fucking cars, they arrest me again for tamper on evidence. Okay.

I'm like, what the fuck? I was out on bail. Right. They gave me a fourth degree charge. They take me to the state police barracks. They gave me a fourth degree charge, Tampere evidence, because I called my girl when I got in trouble, I said,

yo, delete my email. Right. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, but see, I did it on purpose. So I had hush mail back then. I don't know if you know, so it's the one that you can't. So I called her and said,

delete my, here's my password. So when you had hush mail, after you five times, your account automatic deletes, I gave it the wrong password on purpose on the phone because I didn't want anybody getting it. But they still charged me with tamperate evidence,

but I didn't want them so I bought more steroids online through email I didn't want them getting any but I was trying to protect everybody else I could from coming in this fucking spider web right so I was like

Jeanette go on my email here's my thing and here's my username and login I gave her long long so I know they're listening so they're trying to get in she probably after five attempts the whole account

just disappears okay so that's why I did that so that they're deleting it so they delete it they couldn't get in and they deleted it um so I got fourth degree

$25,000 I bail for a fourth degree charge. So what they're doing now is they're trying to take whatever money I've left. They're trying to just bankrupt me. Right. So I can't fight this case. And that's kind of where like the bullshit started. I got pulled over one time coming back from the gym about two.

I saw that time I was in jail for, I was locked up for three days by bailed out, $25,000. Thanksgiving Eve. I'm still working. I'm working in a bar in Philadelphia. Now, remember, I had no contact for my co-defendants. Jamal walks in my bar he shakes my hands this is Thanksgiving Eve

he's fucking everybody's out partying you know and I was like hey what's up you know I didn't go see him he came in right you know I said yo he said we're good he said we're good the whole thing you know I'm driving home so I was a motherfucker back I saw a motherfucker but so this girl was coming over to my house

now I had a condo in Philly on the water and she drove a Honda Accord so I was like I don't want you parking a piece of shit in my condo I'll come get you after work so like one third in the morning I go from Philadelphia and New Jersey to go pick her up. They pull me over. They searched my car for three or four hours.

This was after Jamal, because he told them or somebody told them that we made a deal. So they thought they were going to get me with a couple keys then. Right. Three days later, the bail bondsman comes. The state comes. They locked me up for talking to Jamal. Right.

For my no contact. I had no fucking, and it wasn't even me. He came to me. Yeah. But so then I stay in, I stay back in a county again. from a couple of these air thanks given until after Christmas.

Weren't you able to go in front of the judge and say, Your Honor, I was up my job and the guy came by and he fucking said hi. What am I supposed to do to run? It took 30-something days to get out on that. It doesn't, they don't move fast. Right. And again, they're trying to break me

because they know now I'm not folding. You know, like, and even like the thing you say like he just, I didn't cooperate. I, listen, I did it. Whatever you want to do, I did it. Right. Who am I telling them? You know, it doesn't matter.

Listen, whatever you do, I don't care. But this is, this is what I. though this is why I'm old school still um and it still I didn't know the the all the people that were actually telling at that time you know and I think I was a little naive you're still thinking there's a street code and they're all stand up right we're all gonna go to court fight this right a 30-something code sentence yeah well that took a shit you know the one girl that probably should have told was Michelle she didn't right that my daughter's mom they gave her a script to read and she read the shit on on paper like oh yeah he had black trash bags full of cash around the

house no bitch they're not black trash bags. They're black fucking grocery bags that we put, you know, you put 10 or 12,000 15, you know, like just a little bodega bags. Right. Right. Not black store, you know, like they're the black contractor bags. Yeah. That's what they have. They had, you know, people saying shit. I was like, I've never even seen that. The, the girl's living with at the time. So I lived, the house I had Michelle was in when we got raided. I stayed there once a while, but I was living with another girl in Washington Township, which is 30 minutes away. They rated there too. And what they did there,

They got her. Now, she was a school teacher. So she would, they had the phone calls. She would have like, hey, can you, can I have a hundred piece for my friends? You know, like, they're teachers. You know, fuck, they don't have your money. She, you know, she's selling her other teachers like, 100 bags. Not a lot, but here and there, one or two, you know, whatever.

What do they do? They get her to say shit about me. That wasn't even true. Oh, yeah. I saw a Kleenex box full, you know, size of cocaine in the house he had here. No, you fucking didn't. You didn't. But they had her do that.

Right. So they didn't play fair at all. Yeah. No. They just don't play the game. Aware. Yeah. I'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk bad about the federal government.

So, I mean, at what point, like, your lawyer's coming to you. Like, you're, you're, it's funny because typically you don't want it to go federal. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, you're desperate for it not to in this case. And there's only a few instances, like, and a few states. states that are kind of like that. Like in Florida has such a harsh, well, used to have such a harsh penalties for,

for like oxycodone and, you know, opiates and stuff at one time where you would rather it go federal because they were more laxed, you know, on first time kind of offender. They had a mandatory minimum and the way they were calculating it was all fucked up. Yeah, the slide and scale. They take all your charge thing. I like that. It was good. I mean.

Yeah. So sometimes it worked for you, sometimes it. So it worked for you and this one. But at what point do you, are you realizing, like, I can't go to trial? So I think that came that. Actually, I know when that came. So I'm sitting home and I have to go to the attorneys off next morning. And they brought 40 or 60 file boxes of just phone calls that have to go over.

They have 18,000 hours of phone calls. And my attorney's like, if we go to trial, yeah everyone has to go over and you have to get all these people now what they also did because the phones were tapped and they had a roving warrant on my phone everybody I talked to they sent a letter to like your phone calls listen to right so I was all right like and listen and then I was like fucked up so I'm like and he said I said you know I think we can win but at what cost and he said it's not going to be five or six years we're not going to get the trial for five six years with all this evidence and then we have to go through and you got to fix because you know

they're taking email chains and charging me for steroids of so if I ordered $5,000 for steroids from this guy and there was a 20 chain every five they were doing it 20 times because even though it was the same email and I was answering them every time email come they charge me the same one he's like it's a lot he said I said give me a good offer he's like 80 to 40 is what they gave you I said I'm not doing that like get the fuck out of here I might as well get a trial I Might as well run. Listen, what trial is life, which is 25 years, and then you get, you know, you, not that you're going to go home on 25, but you got to do 25 minimum. And 30 years old, 40 years might as well.

I'm done. It feels like it's honestly, at that point in your life, you can't see the difference between life and 40. No. That's 70 something fucking years old. I might be dead. Yeah, I'm not doing it. So we're going back and forth. I remember I was at Capitol, I was at Capitilla Park in Philly.

He calls me, obviously, I got a deal. You got to think about it. I said, what is it? He says, 20 with a five-year step. You got to do five years. Now, I'm about nine months. My raid was about nine months before this, eight months. Because I wanted to get it over with.

Listen, you won. I fucked up. You caught me. It was a good run. Game time. And I'm not mad at any of these dudes. Like, that's their job. Their job is catching me.

My job is not to get caught. Right. So I was like, explain to me. Because I didn't understand the five. You know, like I did, but I did. You probably heard 25. I heard, well, I heard 20. Oh, 20.

I heard. With a five. And then they wanted to. five consecutive so I had leader of organized crime so they took I had to RICO act right with the feds they gave me RICO and kingpin so the state took it to leader of organized crime and first degree drug charge so that's how they changed it kind of manipulated so to give me the deal of 20 with a five and I sat there I was like fuck it do it fuck it I can be out in five years I'm 30 year I'm young you know right um my kids are young and

And fuck, just if I can get over with. I didn't understand, and I wouldn't have taken this deal today. I honestly, I could have a much better deal if I would have waited them out. But I wanted to get over. I wanted to get over with. So I was just like, because I'm going to come home and be all right. I had that mentality. But I think that if I would have understood like the back end number.

So the five years doesn't mean you're getting five years. It means you have to do five years before you can get anything. Right. In 20 years, you think, well, it's going to come down. It's really 13 years, eight months. they could have had me. So I could have done 13 years and change if I, you know, if I don't get out on my five years. Right.

I don't think that's a good deal now, but I didn't understand that. So, and there's no consultant back then to say, hey, listen, this is the deal explained to when it was. If it was, if I had a consultant. You'll say the consultant is basically your attorney who really wants you to take the deal so he can maximize his profit. Maximize profit and I'm out of the way. Yeah. Okay. Well, come to find that.

So I call them, take the deal. Take the deal. They keep a couple hundred thousand, whatever it was, 250,000, 200, I don't know, some number they found, whatever. It took some jewelry, a car, you know, some shit. Fucking just do it. So I go, I go to sentencing, okay? And that's when I was explained earlier, they wanted me to tell my dad. They want to change my deal the day I'm going to sentencing.

They say, you testify against your father, and you'll get a year. right what is this with your dad like at what point did he get so my father's a local attorney right and not from what i understand now is that he was fucking a prosecutor's wife okay so i kind of was a target you think as a result of that i think partially that's what got them a hard on for me as because i wasn't flashy i wasn't you know back then i wasn't so and again listen my father was at that time 50 what's he going to do in prison i'm gonna fuck how bad so i go in so rosetti goes in front of me, you know, sentencing day. He gets taken out.

I'm the last one to get, you know, do sentencing. They walk me down the hall. What do they do? They put me in the same room as there was Eddie holding cell. Right. This dude just told him he got me 20 fucking years. And I put you the hole in himself. Are they hoping you attack him?

Well, what do you think they're hoping? 100%. They want, they want, they want, the average person, not that I'm not average, but the average person, what are you going to do? Your emotion is going to take the best of you and you're going to fucking, you're going doing there. What else you're going to do? I got 20 year sentence.

But I'm like, I had paid prior. I knew the guy that was running the jail. So I got a bag in there of clothes because at that time you wear your own clothes. And like what you wore in off the street, you could have. So I had soap wet pants, a couple of t-shirts. So they get comfortable, brother. That's all I did. That's all I said to him.

So they set it up. There's no reason he should ever been in myself. Right. But they wanted, they said they want, they weren't happy that 20 to 5 wasn't their plan. They said he's going to fuck up. We're going to get him again. And then we're really going to fucking throw him. You know, he's under jail.

So had they already pulled you into the room about your dad? That was prior. So before I even got sentenced. So we didn't really go. We went over it before, but what would they say to you? So, yeah. So I was walking to sentencing with my attorney. And the assistant ADA and the prosecutor were in the room.

And so there's two double doors. There's a double door. And there's a little like four year. And then you walk into the courtroom. And they said, you're ready to make a deal yet? And I said, I got my deal. You know, that kind, whatever I said. And they said, no, we need you to, we want you to say your father is messing with the escrow and he's doing things wrong, illegal.

And he said, we can offer you a 364 if you do that. And they had a piece of paper. All you got to do is read this. Read this statement on tape and we'll give you 364 right now. So fucking underhanded. So three, by the way, Colby. Oh, wait, 364. Why not?

Because if you go 365 of your prison, you automatically get your county. No, you stay in the county for 360. 365, you got to go to prison. You got to go to jail. You stay in jail for $364. I'd rather go to prison. Oh, fuck yeah. But for a year, yeah, you never get comfortable in jail either.

Usually it's like they'll say like 300, you know, 300, you know, a year and a day because then you automatically get in the feds, you automatically get your, your gain time. So you're not going to do a year and a day. You're going to do 10 months, maybe 9 months. And there, so in Jersey, the, your county time doesn't count for your state time. Get out of here. So I paid even to get, I paid the guy that does it, does it transport and a couple thousand dollars before I went to prison.

After I knew everything was situated, they gave me 45 days. So I'm like, I don't want to sit in a fucking county. Yeah. So I gave a couple thousand. So I was out of the county in seven, 10 days because some people sitting there a year, they don't start their good time.

You know, their day for day there. I mean, it's different. So I'm at 364 just stay in the county for a year and I've been home in a year. Right. And you said, I don't know anything about it. I said, I don't. I mean, listen, the fucking way to do.

Right. I mean, like you said, I keep saying average, but there's no, even though my dad's a dick, I wouldn't do it to him. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, there's, there's something there. You got to watch you're banging.

Yeah, well, that's the, yeah. Listen, my father, making bad decisions. Oh, listen, his dick thought way a lot. His whole, I wouldn't he sit on his chair. He had a leather couch in his office. There was so much fucking day and in there. I wouldn't he sit on it. Everybody knows, like, it was a joke.

Like, but that's what they did. You know, you're a good-looking attorney. You're fucking banging dirty whores. He'd been married five times. Oh, the fuck. You know, like, and each wife was getting younger. You know, his last wife was younger and men. I'm like, I guess I know.

So, all right, so you're in there with Rosetti. Okay, with Rosetti. And they call you into sentencing? No, so we're in sentencing first. So you go in front of the judge. Oh, you already got sentenced and then they put you in the room? Yeah, they put after sentencing. So I'll start, my time has started.

It's fine. Yeah, still charged and I don't know if I would stop. You know, a beat up, you know, they get. And so my focus was immediately, before I went there, I was like, I'm getting out in five. Like I got to do because there's nothing worth it if I'm not out in five. Yeah. Because the unknown back end is the only thing I stressed about while I was in there.

If you look me up, if you Google, there's a picture of me with my thumbs up. Like, I'm going to be all right. You know, that was the biggest thing is I'm the caretaker of people. Like, you know, like I protect them. So when everybody's out of crime, listen, don't worry about me. Worry about you. Because I'm worried about you. I know I'll be okay.

And that was probably the hardest thing about going in. is that, you know, I'm leaving these people out there and I took care of for a long time. Right. You know, not necessarily monetarily, but just in general. You know, I was that dude, they get something wrong and they call me.

We try to fix it, that kind of thing. Right. So you sit in county for a little bit. You go to prison. I go to recess, craft, which is central reception. Right. And it's in Trenton.

So it didn't feel real at first. I mean, I'm sure you understand. Like, it doesn't hit. Yeah, yeah. It's very surreal. It's very, you're like, it's almost like a dream skate kind of thing. And in the county,

you know, I knew everybody, so we were good there. I was eating good. I mean, it's still fucking boring as fuck. I'm a mover. You know, but so I get,

they take, they take me to craft, which is in Trent, it's central reception of something. I don't know what the fuck it is now. And it's cold. And this is when it gets real.

So they took me in a van for some, because I had organized crime trust wherever the fuck it is. I don't get on the bus. I go on a van with cars behind me from a helicopter over top. It's an hour. You're going to escape. Yes.

It's an hour. hour ride on the bus, it took four hours all these back roads they'd talk. Now, I, I'd never ran once. Right. The fuck. And you're out on bond. If I was going to run, I would have run one when I was, yeah, and now I know what I'm getting. I already got it. Right. Yeah, I'm not, what do you think I'm a blow to fucking, like, it's so stupid. Right. But it was part of the show for the newspaper. And, you know, like they, like you said, they had the interviews and they had the boards up. Like, you know, it was a big deal. It's wall of shit. You know, oh, shit. So it's all, it's all of games for shit, which is fine. So you get the

craft and there's lined up there's probably 150 people or I don't know what it is and they say take your clothes off so we're it's on the third floor where you had to walk up we're dick the ass butt ass naked in fucking 20 degree weather in the stairwell yeah waiting to go into the shower where they shot you in the bug juice right the light stuff that fucking stunk and then they gave you a paper suit to sit in for three days he coldly's face spray you down like bend over spread yeah no but they did it they did like 20 people in a room probably a 20 by 20 shower with a fucking fire hose and they just

bend over everybody bend over and fuck spread your ass cheeks so that's like shawshank and shawshank when they yeah that and so that was kind of like man what the fuck did I do so if I ever started questioning it that's what it was like

damn what the fuck like this shit is not okay yeah yeah it's inhumane it definitely start to feel like an animal. But that's the problem. Because they do that to you, I think that's why you have an attitude with the cops,

especially when you don't know what they're talking. I'm like, oh man, you wouldn't talk to me like that. Like, if we're at the bar right now, you'd be cool as fuck. Right.

But now you're in here telling what the fuck to do and you think you're like, so I think that's what part of the problem and the prison whole system is. You know, they have this fucking shit where they're gods. Right. But that's when,

so after that, the three days, all you want to do is like right home. You want to do like all this shit. Now you're, Now you're thinking all the thing. Now you've become from a hard guy to like a big pussy. Yeah.

I miss my kids. I love you so much. Yeah. And you're like, you know, so that was the real part. But then so I went in to Kraft. I was probably 310 pounds.

I was jacked up. I took on the way that nine months, I was doing every fucking steroid I could. What do you weigh now? I'm 270, but I'm like 23% by it. I was 15 or 18 at 16%. So I was just fucking,

you know, when I was in the county, like damn, how long you've been down? like I was, you know, so they, I was like, no, I just came down and that's the dude that told on me, you know, so I'm in, in craft and there's rows of 20 cells, just individual cells, TV's on each end. I'm in the middle and you're getting 1,200 calories a day. Right.

I'm eating fucking 5,000. I'm losing a pound a day sitting there doing nothing for 24. Like, you can't watch TV. Yeah. That's when mentally. No, there's nothing. They don't, there's no commit. There's no commissary. There's nothing. So you're like, holy fuck. Like, God damn. So I'm like, who can I pay off? Like, my thing is, I want to get to the front cell. I want to, at least by TV, but then they're watching soap operas all day.

And they left the window opened and froze your dick off all day because the cops just assholes. So they had a, they called a cereal on the bars. So you went to, in, in craft, you went in front of a board. And so they would put you in a prison, tell you what prison you're going to. You ask about your family. You know, the whole thing. I live here. I worked here, this is my area,

blah, blah, because they do attempt to make it easy for your family to see you. Right. So I get, I get, I get assigned to Leesburg, you know, state prison. It's, which is probably 20 minutes from my house. There's, in my county, there's three or four prisons. So it's like, it went from a glass factory town to a prison town, right?

You know, it's all prisons. So I go in there and I'm like, all right, listen, I know, I know the sergeants. Like, I know all these guys. And I was taking bets and doing loans, too. So I had these dudes, like, I know a lot of dudes in there. So I didn't, I didn't say, I didn't cooperate at all. Right. So with that, I protected some of these motherfuckers.

They were a lot. Like, you still have your job because of me, motherfucker. Like, you know, they have your voice. They have your voice. And I wouldn't say it was you. Right. You still have a job. So, like, I expect to be taken care of some nature.

Right. I'm there. I get, so I get right to the gym, right away. They, like, you know, everybody's cool. All the dudes are cool. You know, all the inmates are cool. They've been watching the newspaper. When you put in newspaper that much,

they're like, oh, I saw you, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, you almost have like a celebrity staff. Yes. So I'm walking around. I'm still jacked up pretty. I'm still pretty big. I'm in the gym. I get a call to the captain.

He's like, you're out of here. What the fuck? I just got here. He's like, you know more people here than I do. I'm not comfortable with you here. He said, we're sending you to Southwoods. I was like, okay. Now, Southwoods is in my town, right there.

All right. I know I'm good. Now, there was a big case at Southwoods because there was 70 phone calls that the prosecution wanted me to go with and tell them who it was, either taking bets or giving loans. So why would they send you there? Well, I don't think in-house, they didn't know. Prosecution knew, but I don't think the DOJ know, or DOC. So I get there. They pull them up in the van.

I'm getting ready to get out. I'm like, dude, I'm right here in Britch. I'm fucking five minutes from my house. Fucking lieutenant comes out. You're not coming here, my man. what the fuck he's like you want to talk about my my officers that were calling you i was like i don't think i don't know what you're talking about okay you're going to riverfront so riverfront's in camden how far is that from you 35 minutes but it's a lifer prison i was going to say they can't seem to get

you very far so but it's a life so because i had such a big back number i couldn't go i had medium to max security because of my 20 year sentence even though i had a five-year step right I couldn't get status until you're halfway through your step. So you take me to a life for prison. So this is when it starts getting interesting. So I get. I was just say, well, okay. All right.

Yeah. What? No, I was just thinking, well, the, I don't understand why they would send you there. I mean, you, you know. It's out and holding on the county. The three. No, I understand that those, they're saying no, too many guards. No, you know, too many guards.

many people know people put but they put you there does that put you in not that you're not in danger no you're not i was never worried about my size no you can't put me there no they probably no and the thing they know that but it was a so it was a lifer facility and was also a lot of there was a rabbi back then they killed his got hired someone to kill his wife i don't remember what his name was leon something but he was so but it was either child molesters or lifers murderers so it was a weird comedy that is a weird combination. But the dangerous combination. Well, because the, the child molesters and they ran the prison because they told the cops

everything. Right. So they were protected. So I get there half, you know, I'm not that dumb. I'm half dumb, but I'm smarting some of the inmates. So I get a job as a teacher's aide. Now, so there's three units there. And I came from football.

Like I took bets. You know, besides. selling drugs. I was a book. I love being the house. Right. I mean, that's, you don't lose. And when you do lose, you win the next week. So I just start running a football pool. The pick pools, like the four picks for a pack of Newport. So I have that going on. I get a job as a teacher's aid, you know, because I can read and write. So I'm teaching these guys how to do it. And you know, bars low. Yeah, it's very low. Yeah. And I get a job as a teacher and I have a civilian school teacher comes in every day. You know, we're cool. You know, and.

Not, I'm different, but I was, you know, she could talk to me. Like there was, you know, we could have a conversation that wasn't like. Yeah, yeah. You know, the knuckleheads. Yeah. And so, you know how inmates are? Everybody's jealous. Right.

So, you know, everybody says you're fucking her. So they, so I'm there probably nine or ten months, fucking internal affairs runs down. Fucking not for the football tickets. I got run down a few times for that and they never got me. But they're saying, okay, they put me in lockup. Tell me your. fucking this teacher. We have your DNA on table.

I'm saying, no, you don't. Not that table. I'm not, they walk around cuffs. Wow. This is just on the word of a bunch of inmates that are jealous. As I'm watching, through the lockup window, I'm watching it get locked out. So now they're pressing me hard. You know, I was like, I didn't, she didn't do anything.

Like, no, she wouldn't get me a fucking pen. You know, because, you know, those rubber pens, it bend. If your head gets hot, you can't you write with them. Like, you know, like a big pen was worth a lot back then. Right. You know, like something you can write with. I said, she didn't give me that, you know. And so they leave me in lock up 72 days, which is long.

Yeah, they're trying to soften you up. I mean, I'm starting to count the, I'm counting the dots in the cinder blocks because I got none to do. Like around day 50, I start talking to the toilet. All right. Just because, I mean, that is mental. I've never ever thought about, like, hurt myself, like, because I'm coming home. Like, I'd rather, fuck kill myself.

That's too easy. Right. I'm going to do good and make you all fucking. nuts. So, but I'm like, 50, fuck. So I get a letter out to Rick, my stepdad. Like, I don't know how much longer I can do this. Right. He hires a good attorney

just to get me out of there. Right. So they come to me and say, we're sending it to Northern State Prison. Well, Northern State Prison is one of the worst prisons, probably on the East Coast, but probably in the country. Like, if you type in Northern State, a guy had a phone in there, like video on this. Like, it's bad. People died every day. So how long

have you been locked up at this point? It's only It's less than, oh, is it two years? It hasn't, so it was nine, close to two years. Oh, okay. I thought this was in for like the first six months. No, because I was nine months in about job, then did it. So nine, ten, year and a half. Okay.

So, Northern State. So nobody wants to go to Northern State. Even the cops don't want to work in Northern State. Right. You know, like, it's a fucked up jail. You know, somebody dies every day. Right. Somebody fuck.

So I'm a little nervous. Like, I'm a big dude, but I'm so like, you know, fuck. You know, because I'm not into gang. Yeah, the conditions are so bad. It's not necessarily the in Newark, which is a shithole of a city, New York, New Jersey, I mean, fuck shithole.

And it's all bloods. So Newark is run by bloods and all the prison guards are bloods. And, you know, so, and my big thing in prison was like, all these gangs, get together, run the fucking jail.

Instead of killing each other, the blood, the different sets of the gangs, get together, you can run to jail and keep it calm and get anything we want. But they don't think like that. Like, I think, you know,

that's what I think. So I get, so I'm in the back of the truck. We stop it. um in trenton which was uh rocky or the silverstone had movie i forget it was and that was kind of scary because like you shit in the wall like when they put me in the holding cell there to go the next day to go to new work there's holes in the wall and that's the toilet like it's the toilets are in the wall it's a mental facility before it's fucking weird and the ceiling's joint six foot i'm six two

and six three fucking like i'm like but it's a prison where they live by the code of us against them right which I like you know because listen I have no problem talking to the cops like you'll be cool but I also like don't want you tell them this person that kind of thing you know right so they live because they're all long time like 100 years sentences at this prison but then so I'm just only there a day but I'm talking to a couple guys so then we get back on a truck in a van and we're headed to northern state prison which is where I you know they sent me because I wouldn't tell they sent me the worst prison in the right in the state so I'm like I don't want to go here what happens to the teacher she lost her job and she got caught off i haven't heard anything from

her at that time but i know she lost her job well that's just because they said and what's so fucked up is that is that you know like that's all it takes is a couple inmates saying and in you know out here it wouldn't take that correct but in prison that's how it is it's like three people say oh no bro i'm telling you that's what's oh yeah so-and-so told me or i heard him no he said i walked in i walked in on them one time and you know and next thing you know they're like oh it's got to be true like they're like they're like they try to get me like oh there's dana on the desk shut the fuck up you you know idiots but they're clowns right the internal affairs i'm sure they you know they just they want they just want to you know bang their chest and be assholes yeah but so i'm on the back

and i'm like i'm not going to northern like so now i'm like you said probably you know close to years in but and i don't want to fuck my sentence up so i got i just got out of this i didn't get charged for anything still no charges you know running a football ticket i've been you know out of trouble. I'm like, man, I just got to walk in this motherfucker and punch a dude in the face. I'm going to walk in and punch the biggest blood I see in the face. Because what happens is, you know, how does they separate you? Well, if I punch a blood, especially like a leader or a Crip or whatever it is, they're going to get me out of jail for my safety. Yeah, you got to go sit in the shoe for a while. Yeah, that's okay, but I'm not going to be in Northern

for next three years my life, you know, because it's just not good. So we go to reception in, you know, at Northern. And this is my idea. Like, I just don't. want to be here because they said I'm going to die here probably as it you know even on a big white boy this is just a rough fucking jail and I walk in reception and the under boss of the Philly mobs in there and I know him right and he's got and he's got another couple guys in New York he's like dev come on over oh fuck my life just got good all right northern states good now you know because we they listen they had a lot of respect there you know I knew I knew the guy for a long time so and he was a riverfront he got shipped from riverfront to there too and I

know where he went because something had happened. So we're together probably like two, three weeks. And the feds call and they get us moved because they say we're going to escape. Because there was a window and a train track through the fucking prison at Northern. Okay. Who the fuck's going to see? I'm not trying to escape, but they had this big escape thing. So they put me in gang unit at Northern where there's cages around each table is cages and it's 23 and one and either you shower or goes to the yard.

however the good thing about northern state is I had a cell phone every week they're they're they're they're all fucking crudy I mean every cop in that bitch is crooked right you know so they put me in gang unit I'm like why am I in gang unit I'm not affiliate any gangs but they got over because I had a leader of organized crime charge so that's how they got in this thing so it's locked so I shower for next two years with my boots on every every you know because you're not getting me barefooted like and that's where you see the most people get the most damage done is the showers.

Right. And you're shower with 20 fucking guys. So I shower boots on her next two years until I got the men unit. Colby. This is horrible. Yeah. That sucked. Yeah.

It's 23 and 1. Like I said, I always chose a shower, get on the phone real quick. But because we always had cell. So every visit, after every visit, no, let's go back. My stepfather, I was telling you, Rick. My mother, my stepfather came up almost every weekend. My stepfather never missed the weekend. I mean, so he was two and a half hours, three hours away.

He came every weekend. That's so, you know, like my boy, like he, I saw my father five times when I was in prison. I call him. Yeah. But he's like, you know, you'll be all right. This motherfucker. This is, my father's such a motherfucker. Go, listen to this.

That he took a life insurance policy out when I went to prison. Wow. Yeah. And then he's got. Screwed, though. Yeah. Oh, no, this is a great idea. You know, hey, listen, let's take this 200,000.

I mean, he gets fucking stabbed in prison. It'll help cushion the blow. Yeah. So, but that's just, you know, so then I come home when my dad is not off subject, but he's like, you got to go. get a physical for my health, my life insurance. Like, what the fuck? He's like, oh, yeah, I got a life insurance policy.

And so I had to go get a physical. I came home to make sure he kept his life, the life insurance policy active. So I get, so we get out of, I get to, we get out of, I get out of gang unit. And I got a year and a half left. Yeah. So I'm, yeah, year by year and a half. And I go to men unit, which is now work unit. Now, these motherfuckers that are in there, they never worked at their life.

And they're crying if they don't go to work. I'm sure you know what it was like. Yeah, yeah. Well, it gets you out of. It gets you out of the cell. You get to do something. But they didn't want to do it. They were sitting on a couch for fucking 72 hours straight.

Now of a sudden they want to get it, which is fine, whatever. So I get a job at Totowa, which is the mental health facility, but it was off, off campus. So they drove it like 20 minutes. I had this cool ass cop. And he called Johnny USA, absolute fucking animal. Just burn out. Didn't give a fuck. You know, he was just, and I was his number one guy.

Right. So he'd bring me food. I mean, he was just awesome. So then he retires and somebody takes a spot in this motherfucker. fucking don't like me right right at all and there's no real reason besides i was white and you know he's from the area i was getting too much attention i'm from down there you know like i was cool with the guys and he's like fuck you you're in the back okay so but now i'm getting nervous because i got the halfway house in a year you can go to a halfway house with a year left right but nine months with nine months

left you got to go in front of parole board for my five years up so you know four years in a couple months I go in front of parole to find out if I'm getting out. Right. Well, I'm real close. Now I got this cop that's on my dick. Just for no real reason. Just, you know, difference in opinion, you know. And I'm nervous.

Like, this dude's going to, he, one set up, my five years going to eight years. So I kind of fall in line with him and not like, I wanted to fight him a lot. You know, like, I would think like, I'm going to get this motherfucker. You know, to this day, I still think, I see him were my words. You know, now I'm going to laugh at him. But, I mean, it's just like, you know. So. I get I get by but he puts me like in the back of the van like fucking throwing up motion sick every day he didn't give a fuck all right you know I had all this shit jobs but I just took it because that's you know what are you going to do they yeah well I was just say if you don't get parole it's three more years so so here's so what happens so I get to the halfway house oh so you did so yeah so I'm in men so for men unit in nor I go to a halfway house in Bridgeton so you go to you go to like a reception area for a month I think and then you go to the halfway house

so and then from the halfway house when you go to your parole hearing so you have to have a minimum of 18 months left on your sentence to before your before your numbers up to get the halfway house but I was a year because I had such a big back number so with that nine months in is when you go to parole but the first you're you're in the halfway house the first year so now I'm touching like air like you know I got a job and and they you know so the halfway house takes half your paycheck yeah yeah so I get a job with my buddies are realtor. He owns a real estate office. So I need to be your secretary. Right. Yeah. So you got take the bus the whole thing. So I also had a child support order against me. So I made $300 a week, whatever, at the, at the thing. Right. But I paid $180 of child support. So I had $120 left. Well, the halfway house had to leave you with a minimum in your paycheck. So they couldn't take anything. They didn't take anything. The whole fucking time. So I could just lay up my balls off, You know, so anyway, so I'm here three months and I'm working. I'm starting to go home one day, a weekend, you know, just.

And so the most stress of my prison sentence was the halfway house because now I'm on the street again, taking a bus. I don't want to go back to prison. And I'm fucking, but I'm nervous now because there's nine months. My parole hearing is coming up. I was going to say that that's the halfway house. Like, it's the same thing. I would have rather done my time in prison and just walked out.

If I didn't need the money because I had nothing to come out to. Right. So I had to go to the halfway house. six or seven months as long so I could work but if not I would have been like no I'll just stay here yeah see I was totally opposite I wanted to get the fuck out of that show but I was set up you know like I didn't I had a good support yeah I didn't have any of that and and and because the halfway house is super stressful it's worse than prison oh it's a hundred times worse in prison because you once you get that little bit of freedom you don't want to go back

to it and anything can happen you know you're sleeping in dorms now I never saw you know I was listen I was offering $10,000 if I get my own cell right because you know you're sitting there I got fucking some bunkeys with two toes hanging off the top and shit. I'm like, what the fuck? I got other guys touching my pictures. I got fucking, you know, I'm like, I want to, I just need to be alone. Like, you know, like, but suddenly you go to the halfway house and you're like, now you're in with 50 guys and bunks. They're all doing the same shit.

So anything go wrong. And like I said, I got my nine months. So I got my eye on the prize. And so they take 15 or 20 hours to go to parole, the hearing. Well, prole's never good. And I don't know enough. I mean, I tried to learn as much as I could about it. But, you know, prior, you talked to the psych, you know, and it's like, so the same site that when you, when I went to prison, they evaluate you.

Right. Like, did you go through that, too, when you first went down? I mean, no, I did. I saw, you know, but they really have, they have you fill out paperwork. Like, they have a, it's like a hundred, maybe 200 word questionnaire. And I did see a psychiatrist before I left multiple times, but because I was in an ARDAP program for, um, It's like a drug, residential drug program. And so you have to see a psychiatrist all the time.

I didn't see a psychiatrist when I was in, when I got out of. You were in the program, the drug program? Yeah. Because when I was locked up, the guys, before I saw the, you know, the pre-sentence report comes out, right? You said some. Yeah, I said I said I was addicted to opiates. Like I had to have guys describe to me what to say exactly. Like it was, I was almost, because I had no clue what it was.

Yeah. And what was it like to withdraw? How did it feel? Like the whole thing, I had a course. But they keep you in that, that drug program is rough. It is rough. I never passed it. I took it twice.

I got, I stepped, I remove myself twice from it. Oh, you could, you could take yourself out? Yeah, you could just say, look, I'm done. I can't do this. Oh, see, you couldn't instate. Like, you're stuck if you do you, then you're going back to prison. No, no, I did it in the program. Well, in prison.

Well, yeah, I'm saying, but like when you go to the men unit, you know, like that's one side was a drug program and the other side was the right the us yeah you know because I and I'm glad I never like I said on my PSI never did drugs I like a zero or one whatever it was but they had to you know they had a rough I mean I don't know how anybody that shit's not good that's rough it is it was it was rough it's rough for the guys that wanted they got a year off you know I wasn't doing it for the year off I was doing it to stay at the prison because if you if you enter into the program they can't transfer you so they were trying to transfer me to a camp. Well, the camp would be in Miami. My mom lives 45 minutes to an hour away. She comes

to see me every two weeks. If I go to Miami, and that's the closest camp, that's a four and a half hour drive. She's 80-something years old. She'll never make it. So I'll never see her again. And, you know, she was older. And I didn't think she was going to, I thought, by my biggest fear, was she was going to die when I was in prison. So it was like, I would go in and then just, once they put the management variable on me, I would drop out. And then 90 days later, they'd be like, we're taking it off you. We're going to transfer you. And I'm I go, no, I'm going back to the program. Go back in.

So you know how to work the system. Yeah, of course. See, it was different, kind of a little different with the state stuff in Jersey. It's always, yeah, the state's always a little bit different. But they were, you know, like walking. I mean, it was rough. I watched them like, that's rough. Yeah, they tear you apart.

They're vicious. And then the inmates are the ones doing it. They're tearing each other apart. Yeah. But see, I don't know that. And the thing is I just don't, I can't understand a life either because I didn't come from that addiction kind of thing. Right.

So I don't understand, you know, when they're doing yelling, and like, that doesn't, to me, that doesn't I don't I just can't comprehend it you know you know what I mean and I believe in it I think it helps some people but I also think like you know like they said you should I said because you know some people were trying to get out to go like a program in Maryland listen if it would have said you can do a year if you go to a program I would have fucking done it yeah yeah but I if you fuck up here you go back like it's just bad but so I'm I'm at I'm at the I'm at the they take you to a gymnasium of the of the prison this right by him and you're sitting there's 20 25 guys and there's two two

older white guys and the Spanish lady older they fuck but we'll go back to the psychiatrist so the psychiatrist is one I saw when I first went to prison the same one that interviewed me wanted to go to the halfway house and she straight up said I hate you when I saw her halfway house listen this chick I said what she's like because we did an I did an IQ test she's like you have a higher IQ than me instead of doing a good business you're out here selling drugs and blah blah I said well you Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I know, because you know what you're supposed to say to. And I feel horrible about it.

Yeah, I really sure applied myself. I said, I could have done, yeah, I could have done it. You're right. I could have, I could have been the next Steve for, you know, whatever. And, you know, Elon Musk. And, you know, so I kind of fed it. But by the end of the conversation, what I did say to her was like, she said, well, what are you going to do when you leave? I was like, well, I want to get back into real estate.

Because I thought that sounded good. Yeah. But then she said, well, why? I said, you know, because I like closing the deal. well then all of a sudden you say it's kind of like selling drugs I was like not like selling drugs but you know but by the end of that conversation we're talking about buying selling houses so I think I have her right you know like I think I won but because I told her I want to hear but I fucked up that one thing so that's all I can think about is me saying I want to go into real estate to close the deal when I'm at the parole so I go on the pro board so people come out crying three year hit 36 month 30 I'm like so I got 30 I have eight years six months I'm like I got 30 I have eight years six months on the back end of my sentence that they can hit me. So with that, they're going to hit me two years or better. 18 months or, but you're going to stay in halfway house, 18 months.

So you go back to prison. So I'm like, fuck, I go pack my shit up. I got these two fucking old white dudes, and especially, they probably fucking hate me, you know, because I'm in here, you know, everybody else's like, you know, so I get in there. And they, they're rough on me. But I don't show no, I show no emotion. You know, I'm just like, you're right. You know, beat me now, motherfucker.

in the back of my head, I'm like, you fucking scumbags. You know what I mean? Like, you love this shit. You know what I mean? And so they're like, well, you know, are we going to do it down? I'm saying, yeah, you know, definitely, you know, I want to get back. I want to get back and do this care of blah, blah, pop. And, you know, they said, well, do you feel your sentence was fair?

Why the fuck are you asked me? No, I don't fucking feel my sentence with it. But I, now I'm talking to myself in my head this, but I'm not verbalizing this. But this is going through my head before I even saying they feel your sentence is fair. I want to say, they wanted my fucking fathering offered me a year. But I didn't say that. I said, well, you know, listen, we all do, you know, I feed them to bullshit. They say leave.

So I walk out. I'm like, there's no shot. Because they said, I got eight and a half years behind me. I didn't even do half my time. Right. So 10 minutes goes by. Wait, can you say that again? Eight and a half?

I had eight and a half years left on my sentence. Oh, okay. So I had a five year minimum, but 13 years six months was my max out time. Okay. So I had eight years. I thought you were saying you'd already done eight years. No, I did five years. I did four and a half years now.

I missed something. Yeah, so the eight and a half years was, well, all my 20-year sentence was left on my 20-year sentence. Right. So I didn't do half of my, you know, if they say you got 20 years, they're not worried about mansormer. They're worried about my 20-year. They're looking at that number. Right. Well, there's no fucking way.

But I'm like, maybe I just get a year hit because I stay in the halfway house. All right. Because, but it's funny because when you first took the plea, you thought, I can be out of here in five years. But no questions is. But throughout the prison experience, you've seen enough people get turned out for just stupid shit that you're real life. Everybody gets a hit. Yeah. And they love.

love that shit. The fucking, those pro officers motherfuckers, man. They love that shit. I swear I got the, I don't, I do it on a purpose because, you know, I think there's only one or two people that got dates that day. Right. I am 100% sure that my psych report is the one that they got me. She hooked it up. Because if that would have been bad, they're definitely doing it. So, yeah, so I go in, they're like, well, it's your lucky day. I'm like, fuck, they're going to say, you aren't going to work in me a year here. Like, I'm thinking, you know, like, because they know 18 months, you're going back. right like you got your date i was like thank you right she and the dispatcher's like

you're not sure you're not very happy i was like no i'm happy you know i said and then i was like i think it's great you know i'm ready to set my life you know gave her some bullshit whatever i was supposed to do so i go outside now i have a date but 18 other guys don't oh so what happens now now you walk out and say fuck turn me down i was like yeah they gave me a day down the road like you know not giving a so now because you know yeah like i'm not telling anybody when it is fuck that right because they don't nobody wants you to go home nobody in prison wants you to do better next guy yeah yeah they're like you know what you mean but they're like children like if they find out you're leaving they'll sabotage it oh yeah they'll start fucking with you and

say because they know you're so like they know you're not going to do anything you can't do anything like you can basically come and oh you want to take all my shit out my locker of course i don't know why i didn't bring it to you yeah of course you want me deliver it to you like yeah and so do anything and luckily i i i i You know, I had some respect in there. So nobody fucked me, but I also didn't give any information. Right. So I get the date.

And I'm walking back. I'm like, you, that, I like stress. I am comfortable being uncomfortable. Right. Which is a weird saying, but it's true. But I'm fucking stressed out now. Like, fucking stomach's burbling. You know, like, I'm going to shit myself almost, you know, because I got, I'm, I'm

eight months from going home, I think, or seven months, whatever, my time was, seven and a half months left to, you know, when my day was or nine and whatever. what the number was, but I got it, I can't fuck up. So I'm nervous. I got to surround myself with people I know. I got to keep the fucking people that work in there, keep them happy. You know, so they're in my town again. So I'm the halfway house in my town. Right. So I can take care of some people still. Like, hey, listen, you need something. You need, you know, you need your house done. Or I got a guy. I got a guy. You know, that kind of thing. So I get, I get back to the dorms, you know, I want to call, but I don't want to call because I only hear me when

the date is. And so for the next, I went to work the next day is when I called everybody. You know, because everybody's like, want to know that night. I couldn't call it. I was scared of death to tell, like when a date was. And I think that that last few months put 10 years of my life, way more than any other one. Because that's the big, I can see the end now. And how do you, like, how do you not fuck this up?

And I think that was the worst, the most stressful of any other time in prison. Yeah, I was going to say that, you know, yeah, there are so many things that you did wrong when you were talking to them. Tell the real estate thing was, you know, they want you to say, oh, my buddy Jimmy knows a guy who knows a guy who's getting me a job. I'm going to work in a warehouse. I'm going to drive a forklift. Like, they want you to be, kind of have a normal W-2 job, superviseable. A broom pusher. We know where you are.

We can understand. But if you say, no, no, I'm going to go do real estate. I'm going to buy some houses. I want to flip them. I want to start doing this. They're like, they don't really understand that. It's the hustle.

And it sounds to them to a guy who's worked 40, 50 hours a week, his whole life and is a W-2 job and has, you know, worked for somebody when real estate guys, even when I hear him talk about it, it just sounds schemy. Oh, yeah.

It sounds like, how do you make that kind of money if you don't, yeah, because I've been working this right. Exactly. I agree. You know, but even though you're like,

no, it's legitimate. I buy this. I fix it up. I sell it for this, and they're like, I don't, it's, and especially when you talk about it. Like, when I talk about it, for some reason, I can't talk about it without making it sound like fraud. And it's like, it's not fun.

They can't comprehend it, though. You know, they've been told what to do for last 40 years of their life. Yeah. They need marching orders. I don't need marching orders. I'm marching me. And same with you. They can't put.

So I should have said, you're having a job at McDonald's. Yeah. And they would have said, perfect. Yeah. But I, you know, listen, I gave as much as I could just to still be like kind of genuinely. And I didn't look at it because I wasn't looking at it like they would. As soon as I said it, verbally said it, in my head it sounded good. But when I verbally said, I was like, fuck, I fucked up.

Well, you know it's funny too. It's like for me, there's like two kinds of people. I'm sure you know this. It's like there are those people that think, you know, if you're getting some pie, you're taking it from my pie, my potential pie. Yeah. And then there was those people that say, no, no, there's enough pie for everybody. And so, you know, and I think there's enough pie for everybody.

But you've, sometimes you talk to people, you start to realize that, like, there are some people that are just genuinely, and you see it in prison all the time, genuinely jealous people. Yes. Like, cannot say anything good about somebody. They cannot be happy that this person is, oh, this is something happy. Oh, your, your kids' moms coming in and bringing your kids. Oh, that's great. Other guys will be like, they'll say it right there. Like, man, I ain't seen my kids in five years.

and my ex-girl, she's banging my, it's like, bro, it's not about you. Like, this guy's, the kids, kids are coming this weekend, good for him. Like, fuck. And I think this is the same thing with the people that work there. It has, well, you know, when you've done the same thing, you work for the state, and, you know, listen, they're, they're, they do one thing. They don't even, you know, they can't even see further. They're worried about what their pension is going to be when they're done. You ever hear them talk, all they ever talk about is overtime.

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're benefits. They're this or that. If they do, I pay $1 a thousand dollars a month for my own. benefits like they couldn't they couldn't comprehend that now you know and that's the thing like that's what i like what we do now is that i want to bring everybody in listen you can be a state worker my pro officer my last pro officer actually worked at the real estate office that we had right when he

retired so you know because he came in he saw you know when he's like listen this is this is what it's about and i think that's the difference now is that a lot of people don't want you know they kind of like gate keep all this shit listen i'll tell everything you want to know right and here's the thing. If you make 100,000, because give me a couple thousand. Hook me up. I'm not going to ask for it. Just say, here, show you appreciate it. You know, because we can make all the money together or we can do it together. But I want everybody to be, have money because the more people to have money around, the less problems are. It's the broke motherfucker that's causing all the problems. Where we go? Yeah, you know, I was going to say it's funny when I used to teach

real estate class. And I would explain how I break it down for everybody and explain how, you can do this. You can do that. Different ways that things work, you know, from flipping houses, to how to buy them, like how you can buy like, you know, subject to mortgages. Like you go and, you know, you catch up the guy's mortgage payment or maybe you just take over his mortgage or you, you know, all the various ways, you know, like if they had a problem, if I was you and I, you're going to need some money, you know, but you could do, you could hear what you can do. It's funny, like, I would have guys come out and say, man, why do you tell everybody like that? I mean, you tell enough people and then they get out and they start doing it. there's nothing left. I'm like, first of all, first of all, there is plenty of pie. And then secondly, I could tell 10,000 people and three of them might get out there.

100%. Even if they have, even though all those guys have the tools, you still have to have the guts to do it. It's frightening. Oh. It's frightening to do it. And they would rather like, no, I want to be safe. I want to go get my job working 40 hours a week. And God bless you. You know, those are the people that make this country work. Oh, 100. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, but. You know, but. But it's scary. It is for the first time, it's fucking terrifying. It is. It's, even if it's up in Zella, like, that's insane. And once you learn, though, you're not going to die.

Yeah. It doesn't fucking matter. And once you see it work, it's like, I didn't ever work a job. Then it's a dick team. Yeah. Oh, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't go back to, like, I couldn't imagine somebody telling what the fuck to do. Yeah.

It's just, you know, and when I work with, you know, all the guys that work for me, it's always, it's us. I always say, listen, what are we going to do? How are we going to do this? You know, I had this great assistant. She was really good for a long time. And it was always like, what are we going to do? Where she went bad was she thought it was hers. So she thought because I have a Lamborghini, she should have one.

You're not there yet. Right. You'll get there, but you got to follow. Like, nothing's free. I'm not just giving you shit ever, but I'll give you the tools to get there. Right. And I think that's the problem. A lot of people is they come in, they see, you know, they see his okay life.

They were, you know, but I buy, I buy yours to write it off. because I made that much profit in Miami last year so now I'm paying taxes on it right not because I can I don't get a fuck about that car I don't care what I do I drive a van with two dogs on every day I don't care about any that shit I like being successful

and doing whatever I want but also I just grind and I can drive an old beater I don't care what I drive you know that kind of shit but she she had this thing where she was young but she thought she should she's me and she's entitled to those things and that's the problem with the younger generation

they don't want to do like we did they don't want to grind through the shit. They want it right now. Yeah, I was going to say, it's like the people that bust their ass to get the big job that they've been trying to get and they get it and they think, I've made it and they kick back. But the truth is, you've made it and now the work began. Now it starts, right.

Yeah, now it's hard. Like, you thought getting here was hard. Now it's going to be hard. Right. Now it's real. Right. So people don't get that. No.

They think, oh, I made it. Yeah. Kick back. It's not. It doesn't work like that. I agree. So you're, So you got in the halfway house.

You were working at your, at your buddy's real estate, right? And so how long did that last before you basically like on your own? I stayed. Well, I stayed with it. It was only just for the halfway house. He didn't need me. How long was that?

I mean, I was in halfway house 10 months. You know. Listen, I was in a half house for seven months. I worked from, I worked for my buddies for his gym. Yeah. But really, what it did was he picked me up. He brought me there. And I did work there.

I stayed there all day. He did. He paid the minimum wage. That's right. Same shit. Like almost 80 hours a week because it was a max you could work. I worked the max you could work. And he basically paid me there so that he could go goof all around and dry and knew somebody

was there that would open up. He had you there for seven bucks an hour. He was like, I got to have somebody here. So he just switched somebody to the other gym and they were, you know, and somebody else quit, you know, two, a month later. And he's like, oh, now I'm really glad you're here. No, I stayed the whole time. Yeah. Because that's what I was, it was easy.

The bus was right outside. or did you, how did you guys get to and from jobs? Well, I mean, like my, my wife had to take a, had to take like an hour and a half bus, a couple different buses, because she was in the halfway house. But that's where I met her. But luckily, literally, halfway house was on, was on Hillsborough Avenue. One street over, one main thorough over is waters. I was literally probably two miles away.

So my buddy would just swing by, pick me up, drop me off. And then he'd leave and I'd be there. And I got to play on the computer and my phone and goof off for 12, 14 hours. And then I drive back or he would drop me back. Somebody would somebody that works there. Yeah, see, we couldn't get dropped off. We had to take the bus. Oh, man.

And so a snowstorm came one day and the bus didn't come. Right. And I'm like, fuck, they're going to, fucking, they're going to violate me for that. So I'm calling them like, yo, the bus did not come. Like, you know, it didn't come to bring you back? Yeah. So I left, so I'd have to leave my job and walk a few blocks to the bus stop. You know, the 530 was the bus.

530 line and they went to Bridgeton well the snowstorm came I'm walking through fucking six eight inches of snow in a day and the bus never comes you can't have cell phone I couldn't we're wearing a state have cell phones right so I had to fucking find a pay phone say call after 20 minutes after wait and then I was scared to go to use the pay phone because then the bus might come because they call and check and that's thing like every time I had to check in so I had to check in when I got there check in at 12 check in at 3 check in when I leave yeah there was a lot of there's a lot But back then they had those spoof cards, you know, where you could put it in like... Call from another number.

Yeah. I don't think they can do it anymore like these new cell phones. You can't tell it. But they still do have spoof cards. I don't know if it works on the cell phone. Yeah, I don't know. But then, you know, people were calling like just taking off. I was like, now I'm good.

I'm staying right here because my luck, they're going to check. Right. But like on weekends, you know, people with, you got to call from your house. You got to be home. You can't leave. They'd call from a spoof card, you know, back then. But like I said, I think it's changed now. Well, the cell, so I was able to use this every, obviously, every house, half the house is different.

Yeah. But I was able to, they had just allowed guys to start getting cell phones maybe a year before I got there. Okay. So I was able to get a cell phone. What year were you? 2019, I got to that. Okay. See, this, I was out in 2010.

Yeah, I know. I was going to say, but that's what, that's how long it took before they would let you even have a cell phone. Okay. Literally like, 2017 or 18, they let people, okay, you guys can have them. You can't have your laptop. Like, what? Come on. Stop.

Yeah. Like, they had so stupid rules. But, yeah, so I got a cell phone. I was there. But they wouldn't let you. They would only let you leave if you walked straight to the bus stop. So somebody had to pick me up because it was two miles away. And I was when I was in prison, I was jogging all the time.

So I wanted to, I was like, let me jog there and jog back. Absolutely not. I'm like, but you like guys walk to. Well, so what if I'm like, so if I said, let me go to the bus stop and then I jogged. They were like, and we find out and you'll go back to prison. I was like, this is stupid. But so, you know, I got to get my buddy Treon to pick me up. And then same thing.

You got to call when you're there. And you call every check in. Yeah, you got to check in. And then they call every now and again, just to check on you, too. Like, yeah, which he thought was hilarious. He'd laugh and he'd be like, who? That derelict? And I'd look over and he goes, yeah, he's here.

Yeah, that's, you know, same thing. My guy was never, never knew. It was just me in the office. Let me just fucking on the phone, you know, whatever. It was, you know, it's different back then. And I tell people this too, and you know, like, the shit that the game is totally different now. Like, there you have too much. much access to everybody now.

You know, these guys are getting knocked off by putting dumb shit on, on YouTube. You know, I'm like, the fuck. Back then, that's why they didn't get as much information. So I think that's why maybe they let the phones, too, because I think, honestly, the phones are, even when they're in the halfway house, they're like giving up information on themselves, you know, just people just got to think, man. It's just, you know, it doesn't make sense. But the halfway house people are low paid people that don't care if you go back to prison.

That was my problem. You know, like, fucking go back to jail. Like, you don't, you do nothing. Like, you want to see me go back to jail. Like, why? But they just, you know, they had nothing. Yeah, no, I know. I sit in there and they sit in their chair and they say, okay, put them back.

Yeah. The, the rules are so stupid. I was going to say, so did you immediately start like, what do you call yourself? You call yourself a rehab or? So I, so what I started, so as soon as I got home, I had to have a job. So what I did was I My stepfather Rick Has started a construction company

For me right So I went into that Yeah So I was I was buying and selling houses I was selling real estate You know I didn't have my real estate So I went to fight my real estate license They wouldn't give back to me

Really? Yeah so like I went in front of board Paying an attorney These are 10 people on a real estate board Like fuck you, you're a problem Now I never None of my shit was financial They shouldn't have ever kept it from

But they did Which is listen it's better now because if I was buying myself my own shit, you know, right. So the girl I was dating at the time, the one that got raided with me. So we started dating her when, so she got ready with Michelle. I started dating her when I came home. Okay. And she went in a real estate office. So I worked in the office for her and I would get, you know, people come in with a cell house. So that's how, that's how I started. So I hooked up with one of my buddies from back then and we flipped the first house probably six months after I had come home. And from that time, the profit what

does I bought a rental. Then we flip another couple houses. And then Michelle and I had bought a few rentals together. So that kept some income coming from me. She had my back to all the time, which was, you know, it's always good to have somebody, you know, she had me. Right. And she always took care of me, no matter what. So she kind of like got me started, you know, and put me, you know, had the right direction for me, you know, help, help wise. Um, because I'd been out of the touch for five years, you know, so I flipped a house, bought a rental, flipped another house, bought a couple rentals, cash with the profit. So I started. So I started. to get to where we are today yeah and you know so i had four or five rentals then i cashed them out

then i had a bunch of cash because i and i bought flipped and so it kind of just rolled like that so i i i'm an investor you know my flipping i name my company flipping keys my real estate investment company um so i have a real estate investment i name flipping keys and that's what i buy and sell under and then i'm my rental company which is chad which is all my kids names so and we you know holding under there and then my contracting company which is dwr which i my son bought a couple years ago from me okay so um i was going to say i have a i have a co-defendant that went to uh prison um names alison she's she ended up getting her real estate license they gave oh yeah they do it's just you know they just wouldn't with you or was it fucking problem well was it because you were

maybe it was because you were still on probation well she waited until she got off probation oh yeah it could have been because i like eight years but i'm not fucking waiting eight years yeah And they wouldn't let me off parole. I mean, murderers are getting off early. I'm like, the fuck, I'm here making money. I got a nice house. I got, you know, my girlfriend's living. I got my dogs.

The fuck, what? I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I'm the perfect one that, like, let off early. Did they give you a reason why? Because he didn't believe I could do that well. Who's the judge? The sergeant of the, no, the judge, my, my parole officers, both, my last

pro officers, both went to him and said, listen, you got him off. I had like four years left. Right. It's like, fuck him. He's staying. I don't believe he's not doing any wrong. Who said this? The lieutenant or sergeant of the parole office.

Oh, okay. Yeah, the guy that would have had to give it. Yeah, it's funny because I applied to get off at the halfway point, right? Like, you can apply it. And I wait until like three years and I sent it in and asked for it to be often the probation, you know, the judge asks the probation office, what do you suggest? And they came back and they said, we don't, don't, even though she, they'd actually told. me, you know, you should ask because everybody gets off at halfway, typically, you know, and you haven't been a problem. So they were like, if you, we would recommend it if you didn't

owe money, but you owe restitution, but you pay it. So you should probably apply yourself. Okay, that's fine. I did that. And then the judge calls them and they say, oh, we don't recommend it because he hasn't paid off restitution. Because what they're supposed to say, fake is fuck. And the judge, and the judge denied it. Then why did you suggest that I'd do it when you're going to deny. Yeah, I don't think this, this had to go through my pro officer then had to go to the sergeant around the department. Right. And he just had a problem with me. To this day, he has, you know, and you don't know why. I don't care. And you know, my thing is, I don't defend myself. Meaning people talk shit, I laugh at him. Fuck you. I'm still

going to sleep just fine. Now, if you come in my zone, we got problems. But he does, shut the fuck up. You don't know me. He doesn't know me. He doesn't know me. He's never met me a day in my life. Right. But he's still doing shit. Why? Because they did, you know, people that sit at those average jobs don't think you never do better. You know, especially they look at us, you know, a felon. He's, now I'll buy and sell you.

Yeah. You know, times 10. So you read the comments on your, on your, on your, you're, no, I don't read it. Why not? Because I don't, I don't get into that. Yeah. You know, so it's nobody that knows me at all. Right.

100%. So it's a millennial that saying, like I have people defending me all the time. Yeah. And then there'll always be one jerk off who's like, he's like, he's lost. This never happened or that. It's like, you don't know me. You have no idea. But like the video, listen, all my phone calls are recorded.

Why? Because anybody that says he did this, hold on, I did? Let me pull my phone call up. Because how many people say, oh, Devon's over here trying to fuck this bitch. Oh, I was. Hold on. Here's our phone call. I had nothing to do it.

But she said, you know, so you have that all the time. Jealousy and success don't go together. So the more successful I am, I'm a target. Like, I'm a target everywhere I go. What was it? I heard a comment the other day. They said, you'll never hear someone that is more successful than someone talking bad about that person. It's always somebody who's not as successful talking bad about that person. And the people that say shit. So I'm, I'm in your face. I'm confrontational. I don't want a problem. But if there's a problem, I don't have a problem. Right. Right. So if, but I'm always like, even my girlfriend, like, you did this. Bring that girl right here right now. Because that's not what the fucking. said. So I mean, if you said, if I said it, fuck it, I 100%. That's the thing. So I don't even read the comments because what am I going to argue? Are you arguing with some clown? What are you going to fuck? What do I care? I'm in a three bedroom condo in Miami looking at the water. You're in a

fucking project somewhere. Get away from me, kid. You know, that kind. And that's what I do. So, and because I have no, I don't care what people say. Like it doesn't, none of that shit ever bothered me, ever has. I'm just like, fuck you. Listen, I wake up. Same way every day. Smiling. I'm happy. I love life. How long have you been out?

I got home in 2010. So, okay. Tell me about the bag that you brought in here. So it's just this guy's company. Okay. I walked through TSA with a drug money bag. And it says drug money, a big red drug money bag. You should take a picture of it.

It says assholes live forever because I'm an asshole. I 100% know I'm an asshole. If you leave me alone on the best of it, do in the world. If you're my people, I got you back to the, I will go to war with you. And if you're wrong, I'm still going to war with you, but I'm going to tell you about it later. But if I don't like you, fuck you. Right. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. And that's my biggest thing is, and that's probably my worst trait of a lot of them is that I don't care. I don't give a fuck. You never talk to me again. Go fuck yourself. Who's, who's, who's, uh, I thought this was your company. No, this is, this is, um, slut whisperer. I think,

What is going on? Is this a buddy of yours? It's a guy, he's, he's just a maniac. He's, he's a man. He's, he's, he's an absolute maniac. But I bought, you know, like, I like fuck on people. Right. What are you going to do to me?

Like, I've been in prison, I've been broke. What, tell me what's worse than that. Nothing. No. So, if you can't, now you can't scare me. Oh, I'm going to do this. Go ahead. Oh, listen, I used to say that.

I was just say that, like, if I got out, And, you know, that when I got out, if I wanted to start committing crime, like, I'd be 10 times worse now because my worst fear was going to prison. Right. Now you know what it is. But prison wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Right. It sucked. It did suck.

Oh, no. I don't want to go back. I wouldn't go back. But it would certainly not instill the amount of fear that it did. Correct. Well, that's right. So the unknown is the fear. And that's what I say in my sentence.

It's unknown. Now you know you can handle it. You know, that's what I'm saying. There's nothing you can do to me now because I'm not going back to prison. Right. And if I go broke tomorrow, I know I can make it the next day. Yeah, it's funny. My dad used to always say that.

He's like, you could pick with my skill set. He's like, you could pick me up, drop me off in the middle of Ohio. And I'm going to make it. Yeah, in two years from now, he's like, I'd be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. And I'm saying me as that way. And I believe that. Right. And, you know, and it's only because I know my drive.

You know, a girl was texting me today. And she said, you know, you just don't have. time, you know, you don't respond. I sent her 11 screenshots of all my phone calls from 6.30 in the morning, they start until 11 o'clock at night. I said, if I can't respond to you in an hour, it's because I'm fucking doing shit. I said, I don't, that side that I'm motivated, I'm driven to go one way. Like, I'm trying to get somewhere. And so all the other shit, it can sit in the back burner. Yeah. But people don't understand that drive either. You know, they're the people, they're the ones that work nine to fives. She makes great money a couple

grand a year, but she's in nine to five or nine to six. You know, she might work a couple hours here, there. But listen, if it's a Saturday and something goes on, if a tenant calls me a 10 o'clock at night and says, come pick up your $1,200, I'm getting out of my bed and going to pay that because tomorrow they're not going to have it. Right. People don't, people don't comprehend that. Yeah. Or a toilet's overflowing, and I need to get a plumber out there. This is some, this is a woman. She doesn't even know how to shut off the water. Right. It's ruining my house right now. And some people don't understand that. Yeah. Yeah, you're working, you're working, yeah, every single man. Yeah, you're not going to outwork me. You may be smarter

at me, you may better look, but you're not going to outwork me. The guys that the mortgage workers that used to be, um, uh, at my mortgage company used to laugh. They're like, brothers, but I, they'd laugh. They go, I called Cox. I, or, you know, Matt, they didn't call me cops. They said, I called Matt at 11.30 on Friday night. I was at a bar and I was talking to a guy. And I called him. He's like, I didn't think he would answer. He answered the phone. And I remember that I answered the phone. I'm like, what? What's up? And he said, listen, I'm at the bar. I got a guy. He's got a 750 credit score. He currently lives in a and currently has a house, but he wants to buy a quadplex that I'm selling. Does he, you know,

what's he going to have to put down? What's his interest right? And I go, okay, what's his credit score? How long has he been on his job? And I said, okay, look, I said, we can get him 95% financing. I said, the house that he's in right now, I said, how much is the mortgage on it? They tell me, I go, okay, we'll say that that is a quadplex that he currently lives in. in one of the units and we'll say he's moving from quadplex to quadplex. We can get him 95% owner occupied at a 7% interest rate. I know we can do it. We can do it right through such and such mortgage.

And they were like, bro, he immediately rambled off where we go, go, who we could go with, what, everything. And I was like, I was like, is that it? They were like, all right, perfect, bro. See you. See, he hung up. He was like, 1130 night. They just started laughing.

But it's true. There's not a lot of people like that. Right. Most people call me tomorrow. See, I'm not like, listen, there's a call coming up or something. And that's what drives me. And people don't understand that. You know, that's my...

But I made it's hard on a relationship. Listen, I, I, I, Michelle's with 13 or 14 year, after I came home. Right. So, Michelle broke up during COVID. Okay. I dated a little in between. Then I dated another check of her family. Like I said, her family had money.

And it just didn't, she didn't understand that the drive. Right. You know, which, listen, and I get it. If you're comfortable, you're, I'm, and she didn't understand my thing of being, you know, comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm okay because I want to, I know where I want to be. I'm not happy yet where I'm not, I'm not content. Right.

You know, because I see better, I still, I still see bigger and better things for a lot of people, not just me. I want to bring people with me. I was out, you know, I was in L.A., one of these talent guys were buying a house down here together. As I just talked to him about the business, he's like, let's do, I want to get in it. Everybody wants to get in it. And I'm happy showing. That's what I was talking before. Like, how do I do this?

How do we do this so that everybody can see your knowledge of the thing, my knowledge, you know, that how do we, how do you put that together so people can do? right and we you know we we take it a little easier we still get paid on somehow you know that that's what I'm trying to figure out the next move there's got to be something out there to like to teach kind of like what we do you know like with the new dsCR rates and you know because we don't know about like the dsCR loans which are easiest loans in the world now I don't know what that is so it's a debt service coverage ratio loan and it's a loan that you don't have to live there it just they don't do your credit they don't pull your credit or anything like that what they do is if the house makes it has to be 1.2

So if the house makes 1,800, your mortgage is 1,400, you're approved. Okay. So it's almost like a commercial quality that the property has to qualify for itself. It's to be a rental or something. Yeah. And you can't live there. Right. But it doesn't go against your personal credit.

So I can get people without with not good credit because they only pour your credit. I mean, sometimes they make you sign a personal guarantee, some different lenders, but you don't have to do it. So if, you know, if you buy a house and it's making $2,000 a month and the mortgage is only $1,100, you're 1.9 over. You qualify for DSCR. If you have the 20% down, you got a house. What's the credit score? No, they don't use credit score. They don't use the rent to the liability.

That's nuts. That sounds like it's going to be a problem in a few years. Very well could be, but it also makes it easy. I mean, you know, so I'm doing, you know, like I refinanced 20 units for a couple million. And as long as that number, the rent's coming in, cover what the mortgage is. it's a simple 15-day close I talked to a guy the other day actually went to lunch with him

where he's doing the green initiative right the solar panels where and he was explaining it to me and I was like this can't be right I think that's a scam there's something wrong that's like I kept asking questions

and asking questions I'm like it's so basic if you happen to meet that criteria it's just like you can just borrow and borrow and borrow and borrow and borrow and I was like that and keep walking away with money to put into this one and this one and this one and this one and he was like yeah I'm telling you we've been you know they're doing it they've been doing it for you know years and years I'm like

that just feels like it's gonna at some point it's going to collapse and he's like well he's like it's not as big as like a bubble like that it's a program they may cancel it at some point but and I was just like yeah it was the criteria was because when I was thinking was I meet that criteria right like it's that's perfect for me and I was like, no, it's too good. I felt like it's too good to be true. And that, listen, you know, we both know nowadays. Yeah, yeah, before I didn't think that.

Now, everything I look at, I'm like, hmm, something, there's something wrong here. Like, I got to find it. Like, if I can't find it and I really look, maybe I might do that. But, yeah, you're financing. There is no CLTV. They don't care. They don't care if that house is worth $200,000. And you owe $200,000.

They'll lose $150,000. How is that possible? Right. You know, but they're insured. That's the thing. Well, I think what's happening is, obviously, those guidelines are, are made up by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So it's, you know, it's kind of, you know, backed by the U.S. government through these

banks. And they, I think those banks are thinking, yeah, well, if things go bad, we'll just give them, we'll just sell them to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They take it. They have to take it. And they'll just take the loss. Yep. But that's, it's what's happening, though.

Same thing. There's D.S.R. you should look into it. It's an awesome program. And but I wish people that, see, the problem is a lot of people aren't cut out for rental business, you know, that, you know. And with all the hard money out there now, I mean, there's so much. many hard money lenders that honestly anybody could do a flip if they know but it's it's a lot more than people think like getting the money now for a flip is easy make it being profitable with it though is

the hard part yeah we're talking about early it's just never works out the way because you got you know Cindy over here who wants to treat like it's her home instead of selling it to make money and she wants to do the upgraded you know upgrade this that courts sells the same as level three granted so instead of paying 8000 let's pay 3,000 and because you're going to get the same dollar right and that's the hardest thing it's showing people is like we don't need to do all that. Flooring is flooring. A kitchen is a kitchen. A bathroom is a bathroom. Make it nice, clean, but we don't need to go crazy. Right. You spent $3,500 on landscaping. Why? You get nothing for the landscaping. Just keep it clean. Get your guy out there for 500 bucks. There's some mulch. I had a girlfriend that I put into a house and I was like, listen, here's how the numbers work. And I explained it to her, right? And then she got in there. Next thing you know, well, I can do wood floor. The contractor says I can do wood floors for,

only, you know, 4,000 more. And it was like, you don't, I thought we already talked about this. This is a, and it's only 4,000. It's my money. Okay, whatever. And then it was a metal roof. And then it was, you know, this. And then it had a porch.

Half the porch had been turned into an extra room. Okay. So she removed it, turned it back into, um, turned it back into a porch. She doesn't know, it's nicer foot as a foot. Yeah. So she removed, um, 200 square feet. So I'm like, so you just turned it. turned a two bedroom one bath into a one bedroom one bath so you just one it costs you about

six or seven thousand dollars to do it and two you just removed about two hundred and fifty dollars a month in profit yeah like you're making brilliant decisions they don't get it though the dollars and cents you know and i say if it makes sense it's got to make it's got to make dollars and make sense for me and i see things way different a lot of people like you said i can walk in and i'll say i we do this boom boom boom we're done and i've done it so much now that i can just walked around and I can be real close to budget, you know, like where we can make money. And that's what you, that's the part teaching somebody that is going to be the hardest part. You know, people get them.

I always say that, you know, people get emotional about it. Yeah, you can't, no motion. I have zero emotion. That's my problem in life. I just, I'm not emotional person. I remember I had a group of investors that had contacted me one time and they wanted to put money into a piece of property. I was like, okay, cool.

And I happened to have, I was like, look, I'm about to get money from a hard money lender. It was an easy deal. It was like, it was like, whatever, like $65,000 for the place, and we're going to put in 15,000, and we're going to sell it for 130, something like that. Like, it was real quick. And it was a super, you know, 15 grand was nothing, like it was done in the month. And so they, it was a rush thing, and they gave me the money. So they gave me the money. I renovated their property and I already had a buyer.

So literally, it's within 45 days to 60 days. They've got their money back. They gave me like 65,000. they made like 15 grand and I remember they held a second mortgage and I told them I got a guy that'll buy the second mortgage for um it wasn't 50% it was like 33% right now before this person's ever made a payment yeah and they were like no no no I'm gonna keep it they'll pay I can make them pay I'm like no I'm telling you this person probably won't pay you know and I mean they were supposed to pay but you know based on their credit I could only get them like an 80% financing we held a 15% second like trust me if the bank only wants to lend them 80 that That's probably not a good risk. They know well, yeah. So, no, no, no, it's okay. It's okay.

So anyway, they obviously realized, like, this is super profitable. For $65,000, two months later, I get $15. And I got this note. That's great. They're never making a return on anywhere else. Right. And so the next deal that came up, I went to them and I said, hey, I got another deal. It's whatever, it was, $80,000.

And then I was putting in, like, the money for the renovations. It was whatever, $10,000 real quick. And they said, they go, okay, well, what's the address? And I said, oh, yeah, here's the address. They said, we'll let you know. I said, okay. Four days later, five days later, they called. They go, do you have another one?

And I went, how many do you want to do? They said, no, no, we don't want to do that one. I said, well, you know, we went by it over the weekend. And it's not a good area. And I went, yeah, but the other one was in the same area. They go, yeah, I know. If we had seen it first, we never would have lent the money. And I went, why?

And they said, well, you know, it's just a bad area. I said, yeah, but you understand people, you looked at the other houses in the area. Yeah, we did. I said, you notice people live there, right? Yeah, people have to live there. They're not lawyers and CPAs and doctors. These are regular people. Normal people, yeah.

Right. And so I gave them another address. Week later, they came back. Yeah, we don't, that's not a great area either. And I went, okay, but people live there. And so this was they called me on a conference call. I remember because one of them owned an insurance agency. Okay.

One was a CPA and one was a lawyer. And we were on speakerphone. And I said, okay, look, so you've looked at these houses. And that's it. Yeah, yeah, we just decided we don't want to invest in those. But can give us a, do you have another couple of addresses? I said, no, no, this is the address we're doing. Do you want to lend the money or not?

And they were like, well, yeah, but I mean, Matt, we want to be happy with the address. I said, who's making this decision? Well, all of us. And I said, no, but I'm saying who's out of all of you? I said, who's the one driving? I said, I mean, I said, are you basing this? I said, are you basing it on the person that has, I said that, I said that, rights insurance policies? Are you basing it on the person that chases ambulances? Or are you basing it

on the person that does other people's books? I said, because the only person out of all four of us that has any experience in real estate is me. Right. So that's why I'm making this decision and you're just giving me the money. I said, I'm doing you a favor. I can just go to a hard money lender. I paid you $15,000 for the convenience. Way more. And they would have you, a hard money lender would charge, right? It would have been three payments at most. Yeah. You know, and two points or three points. Yeah. Two, three doesn't matter. Yeah. Way under 15. ran. I would have ended paying five or six grand at most. And so anyway, yeah, they they were upset that I was sorry to them. But you blow it up and that's it. That's what I do. I blow deals up

fast. If you don't, if you fuck around and don't do it the way I want to do it, I'm out. Right. Do it yourself. I don't give it a fuck. Right. I'm not going to screw you over. No. And that's the thing. Like I've had one. Especially in my name. One or two. Yeah. If I was saying, hey, my name is Mr. Black, you brought up. But it's just, you know, the thing is people I did for a bunch of doctors. They just, they would, they would send me, listen, we just bought this an auction, fix it, sell it, send us a check, which I did. Right.

Fine. Because they want to say, hey, we're in real estate. They want to be at the parties. Yeah, you know what I'm in the real estate. They've never seen the fucking place, you know, which is fine. But then I, you know, I came to the point where you got to pay me to do this extra work. Right. Like, I'll do it and we'll split off.

So what they're doing, they'd buy it, I'd fix it. But then I was thinking, hold on, I can buy it and fix it myself. Right. So if I'm going to go out on the Saturdays and Sundays on my hourly, looking for fucking boarded up places and say, here's a place I got and we can make a hundred grand on it. How do we fix this to make it more fair?

You know, I want everybody to make money. Right. But what's my money. Exactly. And that's what happened. They get too comfortable when you give too much. And that's why I hate construction now. You know, the homeowner, you know,

they, during COVID, all that money was around. Right. Well, now COVID's done, the COVID money, now they're back to being tight. Yeah. But they want anything for free. You know, like, oh, you know, let's read through this whole room,

but I'm going to leave the yellow outlets in here. You know, and the wall, I'm like, no, but they know I'm going to change it because I'm not put my name on there. Right. Or they want, oh, you can't just put, you know, instead of an eight inch overhanging, you put 12 inch overhanging for the same money? No, that's not the way it works. All right. So that's why my son's struggling with that now because, you know, people just try to take advantage of you in that situation. That's why you need a group of guys that just know, you know, what's going on and just be done with it. Right. Make it easy. I like it's seamless. Well, you have to do it. It's a change order and say, I can do that, but it's going to

call this much money and stop and say, look, and then tax them to the point where they're like, okay, it's not worth it. Not going to change it. Right. And I think the problem is, and I learned this just being a mortgage broker, the clients that came in and were a problem at the beginning, so they're already complaining about the broker fee. They're complaining about the application fee.

They're complaining about their interest rate. They're complaining about, like, they're complaining and complaining and complaining at the very beginning. They're going to be a nightmare. The whole time. By the end, it'll be the worst deal you've ever done. Right. And I have actually been at closing where the guy literally was like, I'm not going to close unless you cut your broker fee. Oh, and it was like, like, I mean, I was like, wow. And I remember thinking, I knew better. This guy was an asshole the first day I met him. The green took over. Right. And so what happened was, you know, after a year of that, you, I realized, now the customers that walked in and just were like, okay, okay, okay.

They were beautiful the whole way through them. You know, I mean, obviously they ask, you know, one question. That's one or two questions. Oh, yeah, yeah. But they know, right. A jerk. Well, that's too high. Well, who's getting that?

Who's getting that? It's like, um, I'm getting it. So, you know, after a year or so, you do that enough times. You do. You get to that point where they walk in and they go, well, that interest rates a little high. So yeah, I know, but you got a bunch of things on your credit and it's eight and a half. Oh, can we work on that? No.

No, that's what it is. Well, uh, I think I can do better somewhere else. I, you should go somewhere else. Should you say that? As soon as they say, me, listen, you need the phone number? And if they leave, you should count your blessings. Oh, yeah. You probably just dodge a bullet.

But the thing is they come back. Oh, yeah. And that's when I bang them over the fucking head. Yeah. You want me? Guess what now's going to cost you. Well, listen, especially in the, you know, especially if I'm changing a document. You know, it's like, no, you, you've had three jobs in the last two years in two different job fields.

Right. Now, you can't go anywhere else. Not in telling the information you just told me. And I know you can't fix these documents that I'm going to have to fix. So no, it's eight and a half percent And a $4,500 broker fee And take it and shut the fuck up So but yeah, I mean it's

But you have to go through that to understand To learn with people It's a shitty learning curve And that's like Michelle I'll tell you about I'm talking about Michelle But she is different breed Like that doesn't bother her Like so when we first gather people

Always took advantage of her Because she was always the nice one So you could cuss her out She's like oh he's probably just having a bad day I'm like no punch that motherfucker in the face For talking to you like that You know? She's like no

you know, he's just having a bad day. Maybe, you know, maybe he slipped in the morning or something. I was like, Michelle, stop being fucking nice. But she was nice to everybody. Right. But she got to take an advantage of it. Yeah, you get walked on. So now she's getting a little better, but she's still, listen, she has these terrible

clients, you know, showing these people like 80 houses that half they can't afford. She's like, no, that's my job. I just want to have a nice house. I'm like, she's different, you know, like. Yeah. But she's also in a situation where she doesn't need to make the sale to eat. She has money a little bit of money. So not the typical realtor is like, I got to make the sale.

You know, I'm going to. fortunate house you don't want yeah and you know that it's different like I said the real state world listen there's a lot of fucking scumbags in this realtor's most unprofessional profession in the world yeah two week test and then you think you're a fucking realtor and you're on your own TikTok and fucking Instagram with you with you I can every Facebook whenever I see a request like she's a fucking realtor no with the you know with the jacket on like you know like oh my god I was yeah um oh my god I always say like people out here like how many times I'm thinking god I would rather deal with criminals oh you know

At least they'll tell you up front, like, you know, that, you know, no, I ain't going to fucking do that, fuck that. And, you know, and there's consequences so that the consequences so bad if you're dealing with a guy and he knows what the consequences are, then he just, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that, you know? Like, I always joke because when I got out of prison, this is actually a funny story. So when I got out of prison, I was working at the gym. One time this chick was leaving and going to get lunch, right? She worked there. Right.

And everybody sitting around, giving her orders. And she goes, and you know how they give you like a bag of lunch, right? Like the baloney sandwich. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was eating, I love baloney sandwich. I can't eat that ever. Cackies and white shirts never again in my life. So I remember she said, I actually told a story, I think a couple days ago.

And she goes, she said, her name was Leanne. And she goes, Matt, do you want something from? What was like? What was something? It was like Jimmy Johns or something. Let me say Jimmy John. I don't know. I think it was Jimmy John.

She said, do you want something from Jimmy Johns? And I went, no, I'm okay. I got a bag lunch. And keep in mind. I'm broke. Right. And I'm saving everything. Like,

I'm making it a challenge to save money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like a game. Yeah. And I said, no, I got a bag of lunch. She's, I know, but you eat that. I've been eating that every day. You eat that all the time. She's like, why don't you get a sub from Jimmy Johns?

And I said, you know, honestly, I don't really have the money to do that. And she said, I said, I'm trying to save money. She was, it's okay. She says, I've got you. I got it. And I went, no, I said, I understand, but I'm good. She was Matt, I've got you. And I went.

and everybody's kind of look at me now like what's the problem and i went and because you'll understand this is very prison mentality i said listen lian i said if you're asking me if you want if you're saying you're going to get me a sandwich and you do not expect for me to pay you back when i get my check on friday and you do not expect that next week i'm going to buy you a sandwich i said then yes you can get me a sandwich as long as it's there's no reciprocation involved I said, because I said, I'm saving money, and I do not have money to spend on a sandwich or pay you back for a sandwich. I said, so I don't have the money.

I said, and I've got a sand. I said, I got a back lunch. I'm okay. And she went, I'm going to get you a sandwich. And you're not going to forget it, though. But you have to do that. But you see what I'm saying? Because how many times in prison does that you?

Yeah, yeah, cool. Get me in the next time. Hey, yo, bro. You owe me that such and such. Grab me a, grab me a six pack. A six pack, bro. you got me something for 50 cents. Yeah.

No, I know. But it's the same thing on now, nowadays. And that's what I don't like. I would do anything for you. And I don't ask for a lot. But when I call you and I need you, if you tell me no, I'll never talk to you again. I've said the same thing. I've helped.

When I do ask for you, I expect it. Exactly. Because I don't ask for shit. Right. So when I do ask you, I don't get, you better say, yeah. That's it. And because you get a lot more from me than I can get from you. Right.

You know, I've had people that I've done things for 30, 40 times I call for one stupid thing. A ride. Hey, listen, I'm dropping my car for the details. I need to pick up on the car. Can you take me down there? Oh, I got it. No problem.

No problem. As you used my car last 15 times when you have a car. Right. Don't call me again. But, and that's my problem. The no emotion did know, like, I just cut you off.

Like, I'm just quick on that. And that's why you said about the, okay, well, fuck about it. You know, whatever they write on there. Show me one dude is doing better than me on that fucking any, any of those comments. Right.

Show me. Bring them up. Bring them up. Let's all sit down the table. let's talk about what you think you know because I like exposing people too like I'm big on that like you know like if I know you're talking shit you know like my ex my ex she's not like call you out like people talk shit she like oh no it's fuck that we're at dinner we're at a real estate dinner and there's a there's a realtor in town that nobody like she's just a fucking cunt right

and I'm probably four years home from prison this time so my girl's fucking nice ones she can sit with us. I'm like, Michelle, I don't like that bitch. But okay, she's trying to steal Michelle's agents at the table to come work at her office. She's doing like kind of like a joke. Like, oh, you should go to her dad? That's serious. Okay. Because she knows Michelle wouldn't say anything. I'm like, um, I'm sitting here. I said, how about this? Get the fuck up and get away before I beat your boyfriend up to. Get off the fucking table right and take your fucking food and get out of here. And I was like, oh my God, because, you know, people aren't used to that. But you don't do that.

Like, you know, don't talk. I'm calling you. I've talked to, because I know you're trying to steal Michelle's, who makes her money. Right. I don't think anybody will leave her, but you don't need to talk to her. Like, we let you sit at this table, and now you try to be a fucking scumber. Right. So I'm like, like, in you, like, confrontation, people don't like conflict.

I don't like it either. But if I got to do it, it's there. And straightening people out because I want to, you know, this can happen. Yeah, yeah. People will, they'll definitely, if they think anywhere, anywhere, prison here, anywhere. If they think they can walk on you, take advantage of they will. It's the same thing.

I mean, a stupid story, but my last ex-girlfriend, Stasia, I started dating her. She dated a mortgage broker, you know, in our neighborhood that my ex uses a lot. So, listen, he was married, you know, he wasn't going divorced. They dated before. I didn't know they really dated like that, you know. And we flipped, he and I flipped house together. Well, he finds out I'm with her, and he calls everybody I've ever talked to in my life and says, oh, you know, Devin's fucking Stacia. So I'm like, Blaze.

This thing's blazing. And I was like, is that what the fuck is wrong with that dude? If you have a problem, call me. You know my number because we make money together.

Instead, he's calling my ex. He's calling my assistant. He's calling everybody like, you know, he's fucking station. That's my boy. But no,

we didn't eat together, motherfucker. We made money together. Right. And she's not your chick. You know what I mean? And now every time I see him, he runs.

Because he's a little fucking dude that thinks he gets, what makes you think you can do that? Right. You know, it's just like, it's weird. But then once you check him,

you got check wearing down again and then get in line. You know, it's just one of those things they forget because I think society becomes so soft, right? And the computer now hides everybody. Yeah, everybody's a badass like, listen, I'm the toughest motherfucker

you ever met over the phone. Yeah, no, listen, I agree. I think when you turn 18 as a man, you should get fucking knocked the fuck out one time. No, I'm dead serious. Listen, because that would make you, it can really happen. Until you taste that blood in your mouth, you're a pussy.

yeah you've really been like you watch it in the movies and they get punched like 40 times and they're still going but every every every prison every fight I saw in prison it was brutal oh yeah and these guys are missing teeth like in the movies of boom boom boom boom no guys have broken noses they're missing teeth they're pulling out knives they're they look horrific but listen that's what happens because these kids and these are behind a computer screen typing the shit when you turn 18 you get punched you'll think about it before you do that stuff like I think that's what we should make a wall. I don't feel like that's going to go anywhere. No? No, I don't think people are going to back, get behind that. I definitely think it's one of those things you should say on the reality TV show. That's the things I can't say.

You know what I'm saying? I'll get canceled, which I don't give a fuck. But you got to, listen, you got to watch Ben Mala. I will, but I'm just saying, what these kids nowadays, they just, you know, they, they think there's no repercussion for the actions. Right. And they, oh, and their parents are worse. Yeah.

These 20-year-old, like the kids growing up now, I have no chance. there's no there's no no you know what i i because um my wife and i joke about this all the time uh is like like god it we better hope we don't get get into a war but i saw something the other day because there's like you if you had to draft all these kids like it would be horrible i saw something the other day that that it was a talk show you know well talk show it was a podcast and i don't think it was joe rogan it might have been but i don't think it was um i can't remember who it was but it was the one guy was joking around about same type of thing like yeah these like the the military can't meet their quotas kids don't want to go in

the military and not just like they either have they're either suffering from mental health issues or they're they're not you know they're just not capable to do it you know they're too weak they can't even meet the basic criteria to they can't do push-ups they're not physical enough they don't want to do it they're scared that whatever the point is and the guy was like yeah man we're in a lot of trouble and the one guy said you know what's funny is that he's like you're saying that he's like but I think you're wrong about that. He goes, I think there's enough, if there was a war, there's enough people in Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee.

He said that there's enough people that live out in the woods. Oh, I agree. That drive pickup trucks that would rush to meet those quotas and sign up. He said, and defend those poor people, those poor children that cannot fight for themselves and do nothing but run this country down. Those people would get up, they'd fight and die. for them 100% for the same people that make fun of them agree and i agree with that and he was he was like and i think there's enough out there but there's fewer and fewer all the time listen the kids even the

testosterone levels you see that yeah down 400 points in 10 years what the fuck when i was in the gym is that mental or is that it's because there's listen they don't want you lifting weights when i was in the gym i tried to lift every piece of fucking iron in there when i was a kid you know in my 20s even i'm trying to lift everything right i went to to Anytime Fitness. We have luckily have a gym in my warehouse. I went to any, not anytime fitness, Planet Fitness.

I couldn't tell if they were a guy or girls and the fucking, some of the chicks were lifting more in the guys. Right. At 20, I'm like, the fuck? Like, what, where are we going with the soft shit? Right. Like, there's no, like, toxic masculinity could be bad, but you still want, who's going to run into the fucking the house on fire?

Not these kids now. Yeah. I, you know, I mentioned the other, do you ever see Grady Judd? Grady Judd He's in a Polk County He's the sheriff that does the Oh yes yes yeah yeah yeah He like listen we laugh and laugh at those

And you know and they have these woke reporters Ask them questions every once in a while He just crushes them And somebody was I interviewed a guy And he was like yeah those are those guys that I can't stand Those police and this and that And I said you know I get it And I understand what you're saying

And maybe maybe he's over the top But if I call at two in the morning, that's the guy I want to show up. I don't want the guy who's saying, wait a second, let's try and figure out what's going on. I want the guy that walks in and grabs everybody and is rude and violates their rights and handcuffs everybody immediately and assumes everybody's guilty and is a bullish asshole. And we'll get everybody and figure it out, you know, not that soft-ass motherfucker. Like, that guy's not going to help me. He's not going to chase that guy.

Grady Judd's going to run over four or five fits is trying to get to him. And he's going to hate you with a mirror as he's driving. and buy it. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, he's, he's gangster. But I just, you know, and listen, I don't believe you have to be super crazy. I don't want to be any tough guy. I'm not like that at all. I just don't like people talk shit. Like, talk shit, I don't care, but don't get my face and don't fuck my people. You know, like, you call me, listen, Deb, somebody walked in, I'll be over in five minutes. Like, you know, I just, it's old school kind of, you know, now it's like, oh, well, let's, let's go on, on YouTube and see what to do. No, motherfucker, let's go

handle it. You know what I mean? It's just, it's just society's just different now. It's just, And it's not going to be better. It's definitely not going to be better. I mean, Jersey's terrible. Florida's a little better because it's a little red down here. Yeah, I was going to say, it's funny. It's 95%. You know, everybody looks at Florida and they think, oh, it's all, you know, beaches.

And they think Miami. But it's really 95% pickup trucks and hunters. Oh, yeah. And South Beach, Miami didn't want it used to be. But that's not what people think when they think Florida. They think beaches and pretty girls in bathing suits. Oh, there are some hot women here. you know but a lot of it's you know it's a lot of just you know it's it's very country it's

yeah oh no it is yeah yeah and like said but then you get like two countries like in the west virginia where they fuck you know right their cousins and shit you know like that's i don't want to be there either so we got to find a heavy medium somewhere where the kids nowadays get a little tougher a little stronger i just lost all my west virginia subscriber yeah you did i'm sorry west virginia i love you you got a great college there but that's it hey i appreciate you guys watching if you like the video do me a favor subscribe to the channel also hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this uh we also just started a clips channel so the link in on the clips is i think it's on like the front page of the uh um of the channel says it's like Matthew

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