Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - My Cohost Was Arrested (Prison Stories & Update)

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

My Cohost Was Arrested (Prison Stories & Update)

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're going to talk about Zach. Everybody wants to know an update on Zach. So, I'm going to give you an update on Zach. Obviously, not everybody knows who Zach is. But you will know, because at the end of this video, we're going to play a video of Zach and I telling prison fight stories. Or maybe just prison stories in general. I don't know what Colby's going to put in.

I think it's the fight stories. We're going to play that video, which is hilarious. And Zach's a buddy of mine that I met in federal prison. Yes, I was in federal prison. So I met him in the medium. But then Zach, I got out before him, which is hilarious because when I met him, I had 26 years, and he had 16 years. And I got my sentence reduced twice, and I ended up leaving prison like a year before he did. So what happened is he got out of prison and I'm going to give you the short version.

The short version is he got out of prison. Someone gave him some stimulus checks and he deposited them in his bank account. the checks cleared and um you know he took the checks and he or he gave them took the money and gave the money to whoever gave him the checks so then maybe a few months later he uh he we ended up talking uh you know reconnecting and i told him hey yeah i got out yeah what's going on Oh, man, you know, we got together and we talked and laughed and joked around and it was all good and told him what I was doing and he told me what he was doing and he, you know, he was like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. Oh, that's great. So everything was great. And then maybe six months went by and he said that apparently those checks were counterfeit. They weren't real government stimulus checks that he had deposited. And the local police, Tampa Police Department or whoever it is, or FDA, some guy from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, I forget who, wanted to talk to him. He wouldn't talk to the guy.

Eventually, they ended up putting an arrest warrant out for him. He turned himself in. I actually dropped him off. Did I drop him off? Did his sister drop him off? I don't know. I think, anyway, so he went to turn himself in. was processed, waited 13 months, and the state finally made him an offer.

And the offer was, it was time served if he pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Now, they were trying to give him a felony, and he wouldn't accept the felony. So he was going to go to trial, and just before sentencing, they offered him a misdemeanor plea deal. He took it. Now, here's the thing. You would think that would let him out of jail. The problem was he was on federal probation. And when federal probation found out that he had been arrested,

they violated his federal probation and put a warrant out for him. And therefore, he was then officially in federal custody. Now, after he pled guilty to the fraud charges for the checks, He still had, he was still being held in, in jail, right, in the, only in the U.S. Marshals Holdover, or whatever, it was it just, I think it's the U.S. I think it's the Marshall Holdover. He's being held in the Marshalls Holdover in the county jail. I think it was in Pinellas in Florida here. And he was being held there. And, you know, he's calling me. Like, I know all this because he's calling me. And it really, to be honest, like, every time he called me, he was going to get out. No, I'm telling you, we're filing this next week.

they're talking to like he is the he is an eternal optimist like he always thinks like the best case scenario just like depositing those checks it'll be all right oh i'm sure they're not going to realize this they won't catch on to this like what do you think that eventually the government's going to figure out that these aren't real checks what are you doing bro you're just like i mean how much prison time can you do anyway he uh yeah but he you know it's always going to be okay no no so it's what's most disappointing in him about him is how smart of a guy and how likable and how funny he is and it makes it overwhelmingly disappointing when he does stupid things but whatever he's my friend I would like him out of prison so

so he still had to deal with the the federal violation of probation charge now the problem with that charge is that if you are if you're on probation and you get another charge you even if you've served all the time for that charge you can get I believe it was up to three years in prison just because you've Even if you said, hey, look, I was charged with a felony, but I served my time for that felony, then the federal government says, yeah, but you committed a felony while on federal probation. So we're going to violate your probation, and we're going to sentence you to time for that violation. Now, you might think, hey, that's double, that's double, double jeopardy. I was going to say indemnity. double jeopardy like you might say oh well that's double jeopardy well I mean obviously in a way it is but the federal government said no it's not so federal government said it's not double jeopardy they can do that because you don't have the same rights as a federal inmate which you're still a federal inmate you don't have the same rights as a federal inmate as a typical U.S. citizen so they are allowed to violate

your rights just due to that and they're saying no no I'm not sentenced what they say is I love this we're not sentencing you on that crime we're sentencing you for the violation due to that crime

and as a result they get around double jeopardy so he could have gotten up to three years well Zach argued with the probation officer his U.S. attorney, I'm sorry, he's a public defender, and he explained to them that, you know, it was a misdemeanor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so they got it down to where the U.S. attorney and the probation officer and his federal public defender all agreed that the most time he was looking for, I'm sorry, looking for, I'm getting tired, I need more coffee, but hold on, the most time he was facing,

was 13 months. So they went to the judge and they said, Your Honor, the most time you can give Isaac Allen, that's his real name, Zach's real name is Isaac Allen. The most time you can give Mr. Allen is 13 months. So we're recommending time served. Now, everybody says, everybody across the board says, my judge hates me, you know, the U.S. attorney, man, the U.S. attorney despises me or the U.S. attorney hates me. My judge hates me. I always say that. And I always kind of roll my eyes, like, look, the judges and the U.S. attorneys and stuff, I'm not saying they're great individuals. And I think over time they get very jaded.

They just think everybody deserves to go to jail forever, so they just don't care. But in Zach's case, his federal judge really does hate him. Like, I mean, across the board, he's just never gotten a break. So the U.S. attorney, during the deliberation, or deliberations, during the, you know, during the court hearing for his violation, the U.S. attorney says, Your Honor, we're recommending time served. The probation officer, who is the person that gives the recommendation, they prepare an entire pre-sentence report for the judge

based on all the laws. What, per the law, says the judge should give this inmate. They give him a report and they say, your honor based on the sentencing guidelines and the crime and everything else and all factors we're requesting time served his attorney gets up and says yes your honor you know we're good with time served it was a misdemeanor he's already had 13 months you know that's that's that's it so zach said the judge just stared at him and stared at him and stared at them and stared at them for the longest time and then he said

where where do you where do you guys where do you recommend that I recommend to the BOP he serve his time and he said that the U.S. attorney looked at

they all kind of looked around and then they looked at the judge and they went no your honor we're not requesting time we're requesting time served we're requesting you you release him immediate release it's time served and he said yeah yeah i heard that i heard that where would he like to go and they went you're not recommending he go anywhere he said yeah i understand

where do you recommend he does his prison sentence and they went i mean i guess colman i guess but i mean we're recommending he'd be released and he said yeah i understand so then he looked Jack and looked at his attorney, he said, you know, based on the statutory, blah, blah, blah, blah, this statute, that statute, that statute, I am giving you, I am sentencing you to 12 months incarceration in the Bureau of Prisons. Immediately, Zach's attorney said, well, your honor, your honor, what are you doing? Like, it's time served. Everybody's agreeing. It's time served. And the judge said, yeah, I understand. That's what the recommendation is. is. I'm giving him 12 months incarceration. Let's let the BOP figure it out.

The Bureau of Prisons figure it out. And he hit his little gavel and he got up and he walked off. Now, here's the thing. Some people would say, oh my God, he's just got 12 months. Well, here's the thing. Two things could happen. Well, three things can happen.

Zach's lawyer told him, look, the moment the Bureau of Prisons calculates they'll get the order 12 months they're immediately going to calculate in gain time or good time so they're not 15% off his sentence and they're going to take off how much time he's already served on that sentence the Bureau of Prisons will realize that you've already served more time than you were supposed to have served and they'll release you immediately it will probably take five or six days.

Now that's one thing that could happen. Second thing that could happen is that he will, the Bureau of Prisons will say we're not going to count the time. You know, we think the judge wants him to go to prison for 12 months, and so we're not going to take into consideration the time he's already served, and they'll send him to prison. Maybe Coleman, maybe, I think he was released from Butner. He may go to Butner. I don't know. But he'll, he will probably go to prison and then they'll try and keep him there for 12 months. He may do 12 months. The third thing and the most likely thing that happens is that he gets to the

prison. He then writes up a motion. I'm sorry, not emotion. He does what's called, it's a, he does like a BP8 where he basically explains to the Bureau of Prisons and shows them a copy of the report, copy of how much time he served in jail, sends that to them and says, listen, I've already done 13 months on this sentence, on a 12-month sentence, you need to release me immediately. And they look at it and they say, holy Jesus, this guy's already done 13 months on 12. We got to release him. and they immediately put him on a bus and they ship him back to Tampa and he's released.

The problem with that is this. It will probably take a few weeks before he gets to a prison and it will take another few weeks for the Bureau of Prisons to correct that sentence. Now, the judge knew, the judge has been sitting on the bench a long time. He knew all of this.

That's why he didn't release him immediately. he knew there's a chance that they fix it in a week so I get another week out of them because I don't like this guy or he thought I get a week at the most maybe I'll get three more months out of him because it'll take him at least three months to fix it

so I get three months out of him I don't like this guy or he thought you know what I might get lucky and he may do 10 months out of the 12 because you do about 10 months on a 12-month sentence. So he's going to do about 10 more months. Fuck him.

I don't like this guy. The judge knew it was going to cause him problems. That's why the judge did that. And this is very typical of judges that are spiteful. They know how to use the system. They know how to use the bureaucracy, and they'll really screw with you. And that's what's happened right now.

He's being held in Pinellas County Jail. No, no, no. He's being held in Citrus County. They moved him from Pinellas County to Citrus County. So, Zach's name is Isaac Allen, and he is in Citrus County jail.

And, you know, he calls probably once a day, every other day. I think maybe he went four days, five days. You know, this is, now when he was first locked up, he went, he would go a month without calling me because he'd call me to put money on his book

so he could make phone calls and, you know, get commissary. It's important to get yam yams and honey buns, although, to be honest, it would be a perfect time to diet, really, for him. But anyway, he's not interested. So, yeah, I think in the next two weeks or so, he'll be moved to prison or he'll be out. So when guys are asking me in the comment section, you know, bro, what's going on with Zach? What's going on with Zach? Like, it's complicated.

It's a complicated thing to explain in the comment section. uh i don't know listen zach was so positive he was getting out he was like when he was going to sentencing he was like bro how quickly can we do a podcast so i can tell all the crazy stuff that's happened i mean he was that sure i was like i don't know let me call connor let me find out see if connor will come over we can do this and i was like uh but let's let's wait and see what you get sent no i'm telling you they're going to let me go i said you know i know what you're saying We should record the conversations of Zach and I, because he's such an optimist that I'm always trying to temper his enthusiasm. I was like, yeah, I know, Zach, but the judge really doesn't like you.

And there's, you know, he could really fuck you over. Bro, they're recommending 13 months. He's not going to go against what the U.S. attorney says. I don't know. I mean, I've seen him go against what the U.S. attorney says. No, no. Listen, I'm telling you, Friday. See if he'll be there Friday.

I'm like, look, you just call me as soon as you're done. Let me know what happened. I'll get Connor over here. Connor or Colby will come over immediately. They'll come over within a day or two. We can get this done. Okay, I'm just telling you, I'm for sure Friday. I know, I know.

Well, wasn't Friday, because that was last Monday. Not the Monday, this was it two weeks ago. He's still in there. He's calling me. Apparently you can, apparently you can order a pizza for Christmas, for Christmas so I just sent him money so he could buy he could get a pizza and it's a private facility he's at so you can also watch movies now I'm paying for movies no I'm just joking I think he had it like his his brother sent me money to and other people have sent me money to put on his

books so that's good um yeah it's uh yeah so that's what's happening with Zach and what we're going to do is now Colby's going to play um video of Zach and I telling it's either prison stories or it's prison fights about prison fights and honestly if you've never seen this video you should see it it really is probably one of the funniest videos we ever did or i've ever done and the guy is absolutely hilarious so also if you want to donate to his if you want to donate to his um commissary account or anything uh i'll have colby leave a his PayPal information in the description and you can send money to his PayPal. Can't send, don't send money to me. Send money to Colby's PayPal and he'll leave some stuff and, you know, he can send that money to Zach. But yeah, so that that's the update. And if something, listen, trust me, as soon as he gets out, he's going to be here within a day or two to do a podcast.

So that's the update on Zach. I hope you like the video that's coming up. I appreciate you guys watching and letting me ramble on and on about it. And so thank you very much and check this video out. And he's giving the spiel like, listen, like the battle speech, like not all of us are going to make it. Right? So all the thing I hear is we're going into war with the DC car. So I get in the cell and he's like, all of us ain't going to make it.

He goes, and some things are. worth spending the rest of your life or giving your life uh but one thing ain't going to happen man people ain't going to just do us any kind of way so y'all get ready Friday morning they're going to meet them on the rec yard we got a day to half call your people let them know because this is been to go down so i said hey uh i have a question right so ever uh yeah what's up man i said um why are we going to war i said what happened i Oh, ain't nobody ever told me what happened. Why are we going to war?

Iceman put his head down. Because what are them dudes? Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're doing a, Zach and I are going to do a podcast about, I want to say funny prison stories or just, really just, prison stories. I mean, that's definitely not the life, but it's a,

different life. Yeah. And we feel it's worth exposing. Because there are things that happen that we thought were hilarious. You don't really like watch YouTube. But there's a lot of guys that have YouTube channels. And all these guys that, you know, not all these guys, but I've got to get a lot of guys that are like, you got to tell prison stories. You got to.

Okay, listen, I don't have the prison stories that guys like Wes Watson have. Like there's a guy named Wes Watson who's like, you know, and I told that motherfucker. I told him you going to go out there and put in some work. So I suitcase that shank And I, you know, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, we were at war And I went into the wreckyard and I stabbed that. And it's like, what do you brought up?

I'm a white collar criminal. I'm not stabbing anybody. What are you doing? You know, I don't have those stories. Like these other guys have channels that are completely predicated on these horrible, vicious stories. And a lot of those stories, by the way, don't even happen to those guys. No. Like, they'll tell you, so there was this guy one time in the pen.

and his name was Bobby. Well, Bobby, and then they'll tell you a story about, it wasn't even him. It was Bobby's story, and he may not even have been known Bobby. He just, you told him about Bobby. Right. Because nobody can go through the amount of violence and riots and stabbings and all the things that these guys are covering in their content

in a span, in anybody's span of prison. And if you notice these guys, a lot of guys think that you and Bobby were buddies. these, no, I didn't even know Bobby. Right. Or I knew Bobby one time and he told me about a fight he got into it, another prison. And now I'm telling that story on YouTube. As if it's your own. Right.

And I don't want to do that. Like, I don't want to tell somebody else's story that, you know, a third party story. Because every time the stories always continue to get diluted. Some of them are urban legends and, you know, the riot of 2008 and, you know, like all the things that, were you there for this? And, you know, it's all ginned up. And, like, both of us started off at the medium. Right. And so the people would come there and tell us, oh, man, if it was a pen, this was a penitentiary, these kind of things wouldn't go on, you know?

Yeah. And all that's not the case. But you know different because you went to a pen eventually. That's exactly right. So we both entered, we both entered prison on bank fraud charges at the medium. At the medium, yes. Ellie, I was a good in me. And I got to go down.

Zach went up Which everyone Wasn't my fault I know Everyone thought was quite a feat When I got to the pin People go You started off at the medium

Yes Kind of went in the wrong direction But So So when did you get When did you actually get to To Coleman I think I

I arrived at Coleman In April of 2008 And Like that was my first That was my first time in prison. I had been in county. Most time, all the time I did was in county jail. So that was my first bout with prison.

And then to enter there with like 16 years was insane. So once I got there, I just kind of told myself, well, what I'll do is like I'll click up with people who have similar crimes. Right. You know, because I hear a medium prison. It's not super violent. There's a little violence, but you can avoid it, which was kind of accurate. So, it was my goal to meet up with people with, because I'm like, this is the feds. So I'm not dealing with some crackhead on the corner to the cop pick.

Yeah, these aren't guys that are that are breaking into people's houses and stealing purses. These are supposed, well, it's supposed to be people who organized and put criminal organizations together or had their own business. And we're doing different things that might be on the level upon which I was accused of doing, accused of doing. right so i'm i'm thinking this is going to be a graduation and unfortunately it didn't there's still a lot of crackheads there's still a lot of guys yes yes it's still a lot of idiots so um when i'm i'm at coleman two months and of course like your arrest was televised i'm sure you've covered that and when you got to coleman it became a big deal like every because everyone knew me as a as the frauder right oh you know and there's not a lot of fraud guys in mediums right

go ahead it's not sorry so they're like hey hey matt cox is here i'm like what they said matt cots i knew of you because of articles that they ran in the tampa paper right when they were looking for you right and i'm like oh now this dude i remember saying to myself this dude knows what he's doing. Like, I actually idolized you. I'm like, this man knows what he's doing. Didn't you tell me you actually told your wife? I told my wife, I go, I would love to meet this dude, but the only place I'd meet

this guy is federal prison. And guess what? A couple years later. Bam. Wow. Fate just brought it together. So my point is, I hear you're on the compound, and I'm like, where is he? And so a buddy of mine

I guess his name was Sheldon We were trying to remember I know it was Sheldon I'm telling I think it was definitely His name was Sheldon He had a mullet He had a mullet He was a complete weird gun

Like mullets are coming back now No They weren't they weren't then Like they were In 2008 they weren't coming back No no In fact the rumor of them Coming back was kind of put the rest

So he told me He could arrange an introduction I said, get out of here. I said, please, please introduce me to the infamous Matt Cox. Now, of course, you've been on the compound a couple of weeks, you know, and I don't know what's going on in your world. Like, what was going on in the first couple of weeks you got there? Yeah, so I got there and essentially I'm a soft white guy and I get to.

Marshmilla, I think is what you called you. Yeah, I get to, you know, the medium. Spongy, I think. I get to the medium and like literally within the first. first or second day, I've got guys come after me going, hey, can I talk to you for a second? What kind of guys? Black guys. Big black guys?

Of course. Like, your worst nightmare. Only, you know, only, like, a little white guy's worst nightmare is to, like, get a celly who's, like, six foot two black guy that is, like, aggressive. But these guys weren't aggressive, you know. They were kind of romantic. They were trying. They were like, I can light some candles, put on some soft music.

Why don't you come to my place around seven? What's going on? La Mabbing gay. So, highlight on gay. So these guys, this guy comes up to me, he's like, can I talk to you for a second? I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, let me talk to you over here.

And I walk over and I'm like, what's up? Let me talk to you over here alone. And I went, oh, bro, what's up? Like, now I know something's wrong. You want to try to get me into the corner? Staying where the camera can see me. So I'm like, what's up? And he goes, oh.

oh you need anything like what and he's like oh you need anything like you need a tennis shoes what size you i'm gonna get you some tennis shoes no i'm gonna go with tennis shoes you ain't got no tennis shoes you got tennis shoes what's up like i threw a little probably not a good question listen i'm i threw some bass in my voice i'm like yo what's up man what's up what's up what's i'm standing up straight pull the shoulder back like he's still six two You know, so they're like, oh, I get you whatever you need, I get you, whatever you need, bro, I get you, I take care of you. I can't, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's awfully friendly of you. Why, what, you know, to what do I deserve this, this friendship?

I'm just saying, you know, I'm looking for me a friend. And I went, that seems like a friendly place. I'm sure you'll find a friend. Like, now I'm realizing the way you're talking to me is uncomfortable. And so, and he's like, I'm just saying, you know, you are, you are. And he started, like, in prison, you know, gay guys are punks. He's like, you, you, you're a punk. I mean, you gay, right?

And I went, no, no, absolutely not. Because look, on the masculine scale, like, I'm not a 10. You know, I'm like a 5 on the masculine scale. But in prison, I'm a 2 because the scale skewed. It is skewed. And it's skewed by the way you talk because I had the same accusation. Right. Right. But it's just the intelligence equals, I guess, weakness or gayness in a prison setting.

Right. I'm still saying please and thank you. I'm still, you know, what a mistake that was. I'm still acting like a civilized person. These guys are just ridiculous. It's a shock. The change in culture is shocking. Right. You're like shocked. And it takes years, but it does. It slowly changes you. So this guy, I'm like, yeah, yeah, bro. I'm good. I don't need nothing. No, not gay. pass it around we're good no I'm just saying that I and I just walked off look the next day I'm walking on the compound some some big black guy

no offense you know I'm not saying I'm not making a I'm not making an accusation another big black guy comes to me and says hey talk to you for a second I'm like I'm walking to the rec yard well yeah what's up I walk in the kitchen man I'm just saying if you need anything let me know I went okay okay I'm saying

You don't need anything like I get you anything like bro you need some shoes I take I'm like shoes in the kitchen what he's like I'm saying someone who wants you barefoot I got you I got you know he's like I'm mad I get good money I make good money like I get money sitting it's like you need anything man you know what I'm saying you need them no bro I don't need nothing I'm good I'm good you just give me a list let me know like what do you give you I'm good thank you no keep walking another guy man let me talk to you uh let me talk to you myself for a minute. And I remember this one. Do you remember the guy, Bear? I remember Bear. There's Bear is hangs out. Bear had a bathrobe, didn't he?

Yeah, yeah. So Bear also had a bunch of buddies that he hung out with, and there were a couple guys standing by his door, and another couple of his buddies standing over here, and I'm, and Bear says, can I talk to you? And I walk out to the rail. This is on this top tier. I walk over the rail, and Bear goes, let me talk to you in myself for a second. And I'm, and I'm, and I, I glan, and I'm like, well, why, what's up? Well, let me talk to you myself for a second. And I look, and I can see a couple of his buddies off to the side. And I can see a couple other buddies to his side.

And I remember I grabbed onto the rail. And I went, no, I'm good here, bro. Because I remember thinking, right now they could try and rush me and pull me in the cell. Like, in the cell, there ain't no fucking camera. Like, there's no camera pointing into the cell. So, and I remember, I said, no, he looked at me, he goes, he goes, man, let me just. I said, no, I'm good here. like, man, let me just talk to you in myself for a second.

I looked at him, I said, no, bro. He was, what, will you think I'm going to try something? I said, if I don't go in your cell, I don't have to find out. What is it you need, bro? And he went, and he went, oh, I'm ready to jump over the fucking. I'm ready to jump over off the top tier. I'm so concerned at this point. I'm just saying, man, you know, I got whatever you need, bro.

I got marijuana. I got whatever you need, man. I can get you like I got, you need some tennis shoes. I see you walking around in the boots all the time. man, let me give me you some tennis shoes. I said, no, bro, we're done. We're done. I said, now, we're done. I said, I'm good, good. Just, no offense. Leave me alone. Not interested. Not going to your cell. Don't need anything from you. I'm good. I appreciate it. I didn't even walk away right away because I didn't want to let go of the rail. I waited until he kind of turned a little bit to look over at his buddies. And I turned around, grab with the other hand and kind of walked along holding the rail. Because I'm that concerned. scared like oh yeah yeah very very remember how the showers were right in the middle of the like you take a shower guys could actually go up on the top rail and look down on you taking a shower i never even knew that yeah you know remember how they were but i didn't know people could look

oh yeah and i remember seeing you could look up at the top rail yeah but they can go up there and look down on you oh my oh yeah so i mean it was you know the whole setup ain't good but keep in mind you really there were places you could be alone like you could there was no cameras there but very few. Anyway, yeah, I'm definitely staying in front of the cameras. For a couple weeks, I didn't even go in my cell unless... They were locking the door. They were locking the door because I didn't know what was going to happen.

Like, it's a bad situation. Then I'm in the rec yard one day, and you come up to me. Well, at that point, like I said, I heard you were on the compound. So I'm like, this is the opportunity. And then they pointed them out, like, there's Matt Cox. Sheldon. I'm like, whoa. So then I'm walking up, smiling. I'm like, hey, Matt Cox, come here. Let me holl at you for a second real quick. I go, hey, I heard you and I got a lot in common. And you just got to went, oh, Jesus, Jesus. And walked off. Well, stormed off quickly. But anyway. Yeah, then Sheldon. You'll ever give up. Sheldon comes up to me. Yeah, I remember thinking, is this is what the next 26 years is going to be like? I mean, these guys can't take a hint.

All of them. Even the soft one like you. But anyway, go ahead. And then I remember the next day, yeah, Sheldon came. It was like the next day or day after. Sheldon came up and said, look, I got a buddy of mine wants to talk to you. And I want to make an introduction. And I go, why?

Because now I'm so suspect of everybody. Black guys, white, Hispanic. Like, I'm not here to make friends. I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't trust anybody. And so Sheldon's like, I got a buddy that wants to talk to you. And, you know, I would like to make an introduction. and I went, why?

He's like, well, I mean, he tried to talk to you the other day, and he said he walked up and tried to say hey to you, and you just walked off. Like, he thinks maybe, like, maybe you're prejudiced or something or something. I don't know. And I looked at him, I went, was this a black guy? He's like, yeah, yeah. And I go, what does he want to talk to me before?

And he goes, he's here for fraud. I went, fraud? And he goes, yeah. And I go, where is he? Why didn't he start with fraud? Like, and then I tracked you down. We started talking. hang out. I know.

Never, we never got along after that. But I remember, that's the thing about the Sheldon crack was a, Sheldon was 100 and probably 145, 5 foot 8 or 9, 145 pounds. Mollet. Had a mullet, white guy. With the spike top. Ridiculous. With the spike top. Ridiculous.

Had, I mean, just look, just straight white trash. And just a complete, like, nerd, a white trash nerd. Gun, gun advocate. he's moving to Alaska so he can have a gun to hunt like I'm always going to have a gun yeah no matter what yeah and and I remember one time I mean just a complete geek um and I remember one time I was there and Reese was there this guy we know and so Reese was there and Sheldon goes say talking about something somehow or another Sheldon ended up saying you see these these are lethal weapons and and and Reese goes those are dick beaters which are also lethal but you don't don't don't overestimate yourself

Sheldon yeah but Sheldon meaning he had fast hands Sheldon and real quick like I told you earlier you didn't know this but Sheldon actually when he got out he had another buddy that was incarcerated

that buddy was like hey go to my here's the address where my wife lives so when you get out of the halfway house like you can go to her she'll help find you a place to stay help get your car the whole thing Sheldon goes there talks to the guy's wife she lets him stay on the couch for a few weeks and then so the guy's calling home and like Sheldon's there like hey yeah I'm here I'm

getting a job I'm this she's helping me out I appreciate it appreciate it after a few weeks the wife stops answering the phone guy keeps calling calling calling after like another few weeks finally the wife opens or I'm sorry finally the wife answers the phone and says don't call anymore, I'm with Sheldon now, and hangs up the phone on him. You know, man, I mean, listen, out of anybody that I wouldn't want my wife to leave me for, it's Sheldon. That's, that, it's first leaving me, you leave me at all, it's bad enough. If, it was, have you have to lie.

Well, of course, it was a great looking guy. Of course, he was a doctor. Well, you know, I'm incarcerated. He's a doctor. I get it. But Sheldon? Yeah. No, like, no, actually, this is the guy.

Embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Don't tell anybody that. Yeah, please. No. no not at all so unfortunately for me right i got into the middle of some controversy at the at the coleman medium right right but you you stayed on the right path and went to the low yes yeah good times unfortunately for me i'm i take another road which involves taxes or something

Yeah. Well, they say, yeah, they, they, a bunch of guys got grabbed. Yes. And some of them said that you were helping or organizing guys to file for the drop for false income taxes, which is a combination of identity theft and, of course, fraud against the United States government, which you didn't do. Right. But these guys said that you were involved in it. Here's the reason, not only because I believe Zach, but also the time frame that I know this happened, literally. Literally, Zach had gone to court fighting his sentence, went to court, was gone for like, I always say you were gone for like eight months or a year or something, how long, 10 months.

So gone for 10 months. I actually moved to the medium. He showed up. I went to the low. I'm sorry. I went to the low from the medium. You showed up like a month later, right? Like two weeks later.

Oh, two weeks later. So we missed each other. Yeah, because you wrote my sister. Right, right. And I remember, too, she wasn't, she wouldn't pass letters anymore. that was like she was like that was like one letter you wrote me a letter back you were like look I had to beg my sister to pass the letter along she's not going to she's not going to do this right um instantly right so um it was only a few weeks later when you got grabbed like there's no way

for you to have organized what they said you were doing within a few weeks like I got got back to the medium and boom a month later I'm collecting taxes I'm doing this I'm doing it's not possible right But they clearly put that on me. Anyway, it was all botched. Right. The whole thing was... But it went on your jacket. It went on my jacket.

Well, because they couldn't get criminal charges. Right. Like, because I talk about it with a couple people I still stay in touch with, they decided to just dirty up my jacket and send me to the pen. Right. Matter of fact, when they sent me to the pen on the day that we were packing out, I'm asking where am I going? And they told me you're going somewhere where you won't ever think.

think about filing taxes again. Nice. That's exactly what they told me. I'm like, good times. Hopefully it's home. I don't know. So you went to the Pimp, you went to what?

USP Beaumont. Right. Which if in your guys in the prison system actually call it bloody Beaumont. Bloody Beaumont. Yeah. And, um, yes. So fear level up, up to here, I'm terror. Needless to say, I'm terrified.

Like the, like, I'm hoping it takes me six months to get there. so I can, like, get my mind adapted. Right. Right. I spent a week in Tallahassee, right? And the morning, I left Tallahassee that morning, hoping that I'd be in Oklahoma, maybe a couple of weeks. Right. And I arrived at Beaumont that night.

Fastest transfer ever. Matter of fact, I probably would arrive at Beaumont the same day I left. That's how fast they'd get in there. You know, so once I get there, I'm terrified. So I'd say I got to put bass in my voice. I got to sound tough. I'd already figure out my plan of sounding tough so I can make it in the pen. Now, some of the people I would wit for us soft people who are at the medium,

they were telling me, just get there and check in. Just get there and check in. Meaning just go into the whole protective custody as soon as you get there. For what? The next 10 years? Yeah, that's what I'm saying to myself. I'm like, well, I'm not a coward. You know what I didn't really cooperate.

My paperwork straight. I didn't really cooperate. So, I mean, I don't understand why I would have to check in. why couldn't I just walk? Right. But logically told me that I'm kind of smart, so I'll act like I know the law. I'll make myself invaluable to the people.

Right. And that way they'll make it. Hey, hey, hey, don't hit him. He's the law man. Yeah, yeah. He can help me get out. Don't mess with this one. That's what Pete did.

My buddy Pete, he said, you very quickly have to figure out, if you're not in a gang and you don't want to be in a gang, you don't want to do this, you have to figure out what makes me valuable so nobody bothers me. Exactly. So that was my plan. So I acted like I knew the law.

which horrible mistake is then I have to listen to a bunch of people. There's some upticks. I can walk the compound. Then I have to listen to a bunch of idiots. But it worked out. So that was my claim to fame of surviving at the pit. But you really don't know. Well, you do know some.

You did a lot of your own legal work in the medium. So you know some of the basics. Listen, I learned that day one from Barrington. Barrington did my $2255 for like $300. Barrington. Right. yes and I learned from him so it's it's it's kind of like on the fly so what I picked up and learned because honestly the first day I went for law I like looked in the computer and I'm like

can somebody tell me how this applies to my case yeah that's bad literally that that's how little I knew about it and to two years later telling everyone I'm a legal genius and pulling it off. So obviously at the PIN, I got into a couple of confrontations. Right. And that's kind of like what we were discussed today. It wasn't smooth sailing. No, it wasn't smooth.

It's not as bad as the stories that they make it out to be. Right. You know, but it's bad because I would say I witnessed, I myself witnessed about three murders where I heard the person died, where I've seen the person attacked and laying there. Right. And then I heard they died. And the whole time, I was there for six years. And the whole time I was there, I think 18 people died.

So I've seen three. But look, I was there during two hurricanes where there was no water. That was the worst six years of my life. That was the worst six years of my life. Now, including your marriage? Including what? Your marriage? Well, that was pretty well, that ended up.

I always say that my marriage. In the beginning, it was awesome. My marriage prepared me for prison. So it's like, you know. what was it like for you when you left what at the low yes i mean it was it was going from the medium to the low was like going from you know sleeping on a park bench to going to like a five star to go into like the ritz carlton what you're talking about i was like it was a cleaner or something no no no actually it was it actually there were you know how you know it was worse

it was worse because it was an open bay pod that sucked like at least you had a at least in the medium you had a room you know you close the door it was quiet it is never quiet like you know when you talk to people they're always like prison must be so lonely i wish i wish it was lonely it's always loud there's always screaming you're never alone there's no privacy i mean like you're using you basically it's like you're using you basically it's like you're The bathrooms, it's, it's 180 guys per unit trying to use five toilets and maybe eight showers and there's always lines. And so even if you're going the bathroom, like, you know, you're taking a shit. There's a guy on a divider. It's not like even its own thing. There's a, it's like going to the movie theater. That's where you're going to the bathroom. You know, there's always a guy next to you.

There's always, you know, it's just disgusting. And it is, it's disgusting and it's filthy and everybody's screaming and hollering and the cells are horrible and the whole situation's bad. But there were a lot more smart guys there. Does that make sense? Yes, that's important because who you, you're probably the best person I affiliated with in the medium. Yes, because like I could relate and have a conversation. Everybody else was, I mean, but you helped me when we. were teaching GED, I mean, you remember the guy that's like, hey, I don't, I don't know

how to add and subtract. And remember we asked him like, you don't know how to add and subtract. I remember. How do you make, I mean, what about change when you're getting changed? Oh, I let my bitch count it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, well,

you go, what if, what if she counts it wrong? I put that pipe on if she count that shit right? No, I'm saying. We and Matt, look like, well, that pipe will straighten them out. That will straighten a bit. Do you remember the guy?

When I first, when I first got there, when I was doing the GED, and I was trying to teach the guy how to do, like, like, just basic, just fractions, like, basic math. And we were, like, it's like an hour in, and he just could not get it. Like, he'd been in a car accident, he had a scar. He was a Spanish guy. And so he just couldn't get it. And I went, and he's like, I was like, you're just not grasping this. And he's like, I know, man, I got, you know, I was.

was hitting in the car accident. And he's going through this whole thing. I said, yeah, honestly, bro, he's, what should I, what do you think I should do? And I went, I think you should go to the back to the unit. And I said, because, I mean, some people just, they're just not going to be able to get certain things. And so I was kind of explaining it.

And it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, just some people just don't grasp everything. And, you know, it's, you're not going to get your GED, obviously. And that's not going to happen. And, you know, they were in the skills class anyway, where they weren't going to get it. So I remember he was like, I should, so you think I should go back. And I was like, yeah, I was like, Zach, I was like, this guy is just going to have to go back.

And I tried to explain to you and you went, no, no, he has to stay here. Like, you don't get to excuse them. What are you doing? And I'm like, no, no, he's not going to get it. He's like, it doesn't matter that he's not going to get it. He doesn't get to go back to the unit. He has to stay here. Keep trying.

I'm like, no, he's never going to get it. Zach, he's like, none of them are going to get it. Well, some of them, some of them did, but, you know, some of them just didn't care. I like the guys that were honest And we're just saying Listen bro I don't need this Because I'm gonna get out in about a year And I'm just gonna sell drugs

Like at least he's honest Like at least he's He's like I don't want to learn this Because I'm just gonna go back to selling drugs This is my life I get out I sell drugs I come back I get out This is it

That's it Like at least he's honest And the yo yo-yo effect It works I guess out in Out in so But yes So you learned

The type of the caliber So the caliber at the medium from what we knew from the teaching the GED. Sorry, I keep thinking about getting there. What? I was just thinking about some of the things that these guys did. Oh, sorry, sorry, that they would say

and I would always look over at Zach and he'd be like, you had to write three-letter words and the guy had written like, it was like dog, cat. He wrote, what do you say, fit? And we were like, fit, like, like, to work out fit? like you he's like no I fit and we went to do it

yeah he goes we're like you use it in a sentence he goes I fit to go back to the unit I fit to do it and I looked at Zach and Zach goes it works we had a blast

that that's the stupidity like a lot of times we just sit there we look at each other like push past it just push fast push past the stupidity it's big

step around it if you can't step over let's go around it it was crazy it was crazy but imagine meeting that same click of people but more in the pen

and there's nobody to talk to no very very very few but I'm gonna tell you what's the difference is with the ignorance of the pen those guys for some reason have better people skills honestly just to be straight up honest

their their ability to read people is like above normal. They're ignorance of like maths of basic things and reading super low but there are survival instincts of being able to tell what people

are up to or just to be able to read them. Right. Excellent. And so their instincts are excellent. Their intellect is horrible. So just being around them was very challenging. But it was and so those type of situations made things violent. It's like

they would kind of predict like, you know, I, I can tell that you got an attitude about this and we're going to have a problem. The moment they, I always say the moment they get somebody like, somebody, the moment some guy who's like with a low IQ, the moment they get frustrated, their go-to move is violence. Yes. Like, they can't reason it out. They can't determine, like, they can't figure out what the recourses of going down this path. It's immediately violence will solve this problem for me. Immediately.

I'll eliminate my issue immediately with violence. And so I dealt with a lot of, I didn't teach GED there. Like I said, I just did law work, but I dealt with a lot of those situations. Now, in the pen,

what happens is where you're from is automatically cliques you up with certain people. Yeah, so they call them cars. So you have to ride with certain people based on either your color of your skin, If you're in a gang, or from what part of the United States you're from. Right.

So if you're not in a gang, you don't say, hey, I'm a Crip and you go with the Crips. If you're not in that, you can still go there. You don't have to join the gang, but you need to click up with your car. You need to be. Right. All right. So obviously, when I got, now I lived, this was a mistake of mine because I went to college in Texas.

Right. So I could have claimed Texas. Right. Which would have been a not a large step or a full step up from. Florida, but it would have been a step up. So I told him I was from Florida. Now, Florida, unfortunately, has a lot of what they call jackers, which are gentlemen that masturbate out. These are, what do they call those guys that expose themselves in public? What are flashers? Flashers. So a jacker in prison is basically a flasher in action. And there's, and there's two kinds of jackers.

There's, there's gunners which get up close to you and snipers, which do it from a distance. Yes. And Florida, unfortunately for me, Florida had a lot of gun and snipers. Some of them were versatile and could go back and forth. You know what Colby's thinking right now. I could have been working for Graham's death. Go ahead. So horrible, horrible car for me to get in.

So I'm in this car and like this becomes an issue. So when you're in a car, what happens is they call. a meeting. Hey, we got a meeting on the rec yard. And a lot of times the staff let it go on so where everybody from your car, so I'm from Florida, we all stand around and one person will stand there and go, all right, man, this is what's going on. One guy will dictate what's going on. So one of the first meetings I went to, all right, man, this was going on. We had a problem with Billy, Billy in the child hall jacket. So we're going to have to remove him from the compound. So all the new

people that just got it ain't put in work, we're going to need y'all to put in work. So I'm getting pulled up like, okay, put it in work, what do you need me to move some furniture or what? I mean, I do the application? What do you give me to do? Go, no, you're going to beat up and possibly stab Billy for gunning

in the kitchen. Oh, no. But I'm like, I don't even know Billy. And I haven't seen him gunning, so I don't know. But anyway, so they send me in four for other people to take care of Billy.

Never done this before in my life. Never done this. So if you walked in and I knew you, I'd be like, I'm going to be fine. It's just Zach. Well, believe it or not, okay, so believe it or not. Did you walk in with the glasses? Did you take the glasses on?

I had the glasses on. I had the prison glasses on. Oh, man. The Chomo 2000s? Yeah, the Chomo 2000s. Big fake ass like this. So, Apparently, this came out funny because we were going to beat him up.

So, like, I get with somebody and they're like, look, we'll get him down and you just kick him in the face. Can't I hold him down? Jeez. So this was the plan. But the guy that led us, obviously, Billy was kind of a tough guy. And Billy wasn't afraid of the guy that led the path. So we all got together and we're going to go tell him to check in. They were going to tell him to go.

and tell the officer his life's in danger to go check in, right? And that's what he's going to have to do. And wait, and Billy is in your car. He's up, he's from Florida. Yes, he's from Florida. So you're basically kicking out one of your own. Kicking out one. And that was the purpose of a car is to keep people in line.

Keep your people in line. And if there was a problem between my car and another car, then both of us would talk and they would arrange whether the two people would fight in the different cars one on one or whether we'd go to war. It all depends on what the situation was. Right. So I'm just giving you, because there was a situation where it's supposed to be a war. Right. You know, and believe it or not, because I-

Did Billy check in? What happened? Sorry. I have a joke. There's a joke. It's hard. I got to tell the story. Okay.

All right. So what happened is one time I kind of prevented a war, which was crazy. But as I was there a while, I kind of moved up in ranks because I guess either I was level-headed or I spoke intelligently or whatever it was or I would say what other people were thinking they weren't. But people get used to you. they give you that type of title or role. So for the Billy's situation, we approached them, and there was a gentleman that approached him

that obviously Billy wasn't scared of. So the gentleman's telling Billy, hey, listen, man, we know you've been jacking in the kitchen, you need to go up top. So Billy's standing, we approached him. I'm sorry, he just come out of the child hall. We got him in an area where there's no camera, right? And he has his apple when he's standing there,

and the guy is telling him, hey, his last name was kitchens. hey you need to go up top right we know what you've been jacking you need to go up top so he's standing there and he looks at this guy then he looks at all four of us there then he bites his apple and he's chewing it like very animated right ain't nobody who said they saw me jack it I want to know who it is so the guy's like listen man it don't matter who saw you jacking you got to go up top you're like I ain't going up top I have a fair hearing and find out who said they saw me jacking

ain't nobody saw me when I was jacking when I was I want to know who it is right so he's standing there eating an apple so I'm telling myself I'm like okay the problem is because the guy goes man this is really serious and I'm like the problem

is he's not really thinking it's serious I go, I don't, I think he thinks he can whip all four of us. Because he's looking at all of us in the face, like, are you kidding? He's about thinking, are you kidding me? They said the B team. I'm going to get out of this. But fortunately for all of us, there was one A team member standing next to Billy, and he drew back and hit Billy, co-cocked in the side, knocked him completely out.

Boom! He hits the floor, apples rolling. He's laying face down. in the corridor, the other two guys, not the guy that was talking. The other two go up, kick him in the face about eight times. I'm standing there. So they look back at me. I walk over and go, no, no, no, let's go, let's go.

Let's go. I didn't even touch him, but I ran. That was my first call of duty. I actually did nothing. Did nothing and got labeled as putting in work. Nice. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Because I was in a car. Right. Within my first three months there, it was insane. It was insane. Did you want to give a low story? Did you have any? A low story? Did you have any problem while you're over at the low?

What did I have? I mean, I only had the one where I was in the, you know, I had the one story where they're trying to think of physical contact stories. Okay, so, well, there was one story. There's this guy named, I think I've told this on concrete, but there was a guy named, Ellis Cook Ellis Cook had been to state prison two or three times

he'd actually gone to state he'd also gone to trial multiple times and one because the state you got a chance of winning right like he'd actually won he actually when he was like 18 19 years old robbed another drug dealer while the guy was home like basically was a home invasion

I mean you can get 20 years you know so he's looking at 20 something years he actually broke in the guy's house and beat the guy's ass And the guy knew it was him because he'd ripped him off. Ripped him off the money back. The guy called the cops. They came and got him.

He basically said, he broke it and stole money. Right. And he said, but I know who it is. And they went, they got him. He went to trial. He won. So, but he'd been a trial several times, been to state prison several times. And so Cook got to the medium.

I'm sorry. So I cook got to the low. Right. And I'd been there for years. And we used to watch Walking Dead all the time in the white TV room. room, right? Because you have the, you have the black TV room, Hispanic, and the white, but the whites and Hispanics were the minority. So then you had the black, the big TV room was the black TV room. So, roll reversal.

Big blacks is why. So, go ahead. I'm sorry. So what ended up happening was Cook came in and Cook immediately started, you know, dictating everything. Like, because he was like, as opposed to the bulk of us, he's like a real criminal. And he had gotten there and immediately showed his paper, like walked in, boom, here's my, my, like his deck sheet that shows like, like all your charges and what your sentence is. Boom. Minimum mandatory. I got, you know, armed career criminal. I got, I got 180 months. So I got 15 years. Arm career criminal. Okay, good. Like guys are like, they're not even asking to see his PSI. But he was offering. He's like, look, Brooke, I'm getting my sister to send my PSI right now. He said, but this is my thing. He said, but this is my thing. So people saw that sheet and immediately were like, he's a stand-up guy, he's a stand-up guy. So he's walking around telling people calling everybody snitches and chomos and those chomos, he can't be coming in the TV room and he this. And you have to think there's half of, out of 100 and, I'm sorry, out of 1,800 inmates, really 2,000. So really it's close to 2,000 inmates in the low.

Half of them have sex charges. Now, they may not be there for a sex charge. But, so like, let's say 30% are there for an actual sex charge. On July 18th, get excited. This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited.

Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. Like they actually got caught like looking at child porn. The other ones, they are sex offenders on other charges. Or there's a rape in their past or there's a sex offender. fence in their path, whatever. They're there on another charge. Remind me, I have a question to ask you about that. I just remember, but go ahead. I'm going to let you finish. Okay, so what happens is,

I want to watch the Walking Dead. We've been watching the Walking Dead for three or four years. So what ends up happening is, is Cook comes in. He's been there like six months. Like he came in middle of the Walking Dead. Cocky guy. So he, right. But everybody's letting him do it. Now, granted, listen, He's a big guy. He's aggressive. He's a, you know, he's a, probably 5, 10, 511, probably 195 pounds, 200 pounds, but in great shape. Like, he's a, he's a wood, you know, he's like, he works out every day. He's in great shape.

So he comes in, and so Walking Dead had just ended. And like the crew of guys that watched Walking Dead within that six months started getting shipped and moving or getting out. And then it got down to where the top guys in the room that watched Walking Dead, I was basically like me and one other guy were the top guys. And everybody else that watched it were newcomers or basically sex offenders who weren't even allowed in the TV room except to watch Walking Dead. They would come in there. Cook didn't like that.

So when they're writing up the schedule and everybody's like, hey, I want to watch this on this day. And they're writing the schedule. I said, hey, Walking Dead starts on Sunday nights. And he goes, yeah, bro, we ain't watched that anymore. We're watching Stone Cold Steve Austin We're a skull rant Broken Skull Ranch And I went

No no no bro We're watching Walking Dead And he goes No I mean we ain't watching that And so there's a guy doing the schedule But Cook's like sitting down Cook's like we ain't watching that I go

No we we are watching that And I could tell it Cook's a fucking prick bro Yeah what I mean where did the aggression come from With who? With you Oh no

Well you know obviously I mean look I'm playing In prison, I'm playing a, you're playing a park. Right, the entitlement, you've been there for a while. I've been there. Yeah, you're thinking everybody's, but listen, I'm, I got this. Yeah, I'll shut up. Oh, yeah, look, I got my little piece of real estate.

This is my chair. That's right, my spot. Right. Yeah. Like, I let somebody hold my spot, but when I want to watch, I only barely have watched TV, but when I want to watch this movie, like basically, you've got it 90% of the time, but you're holding my spot. And when I want to watch a movie, you're just hit.

You can just stand up. But guys are, you had street credit. Right, well, because I've been. in there so long. I got you. I'm just asking. So, oh, no, it gets worse. Like, Cook and I go back and forth. Like, Cook's like, no, no, we're going back and forth, back and forth. And he's like, no, bro, that ain't happening. And that happened. And I said, it is happening. I go, do you know why it's happening? And he goes, why? I said, I go, because I've been here five years and you just got here. That's why it's happening. Oh, oh, yeah. And he's all like, he's like snickers and

last. He says, motherfucker, you ain't doing shit. I said, okay, we'll see. I said, listen, come Sunday. I said, I'm turning that fucking TV. I said, that's all you need to worry about. So I said, you can put your little thing on the on the list or not i said but the fact is i'm going to turn the tv i got up and walked off now by the way i'm not turning the tv cook would beat the brakes off me he'd beat me like a small child it would have been embarrassing the act was gone of course like you like you got around the corner like i mean how many times have you acted like a badass knowing i'm not following through i'm trying to push this guy to get this guy you know look i act like a tough guy in front of my girlfriend even though both of us know that if push comes to shove she looks at me

She's like, I will beat your soft ass. Like, like, she'll tell me all the time, she'll look at me and go, like, don't, don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. But I act like, you know, I wish you would. I wish you would. She's like, she starts laughing. She's like, stop, stop it. I will beat your soft ass.

So what happens with Cook is, so over the next couple of days, I'm literally getting all these other guys. I'm like, listen, guys are coming up being like, bro, I heard you had an issue. I mean, we're still walking the watching. Are we watching the walking dead? We're watching it. Just do me a favor. We're all going to show up 30 minutes early, crowd the TV room, and they're like,

and you're really going to turn the channel? I'm going to turn the channel, bro. I swear, I'll turn it. They're like, you sure? I'm like, man, I'm going to turn that. Don't even worry about it. I'm turning it. So we show up, and then, so Cook even comes to me.

Later in the day, I'm sitting there all day, posted up. So I'm sitting there all day. And Cook goes, he's making cracks every once while. Leans back and he goes, hey, bro, I heard you got your little team coming in strong, 30 minutes before walking dead. He goes, I see you got your boots. on him and don't worry about what I got on and he goes yeah all right all right he's like you know you're gonna have a rude awakening when I he is when you try and get up and turn that that channel

he'll see what happens bro you think I'm playing I said I'm not worried about you playing I said cook I don't give a shit I said there's one thing that's going to happen I said I said I'm going to get up and I'm going to turn the TV I said and we're I said even if we both go to the shoe I said we can watch it together because I'm going to yank that TV clean off the fucking wall we'll watch it together in the shoe together and so he's all you know and he's like he's snickering and laughing he didn't take me serious everybody's got and guys are coming to me going are you playing with him are you serious bro i'm like i'm serious like i'm playing it up i'm not doing nothing so just before oh it's good i was impressed myself you're kind of like damn yeah i was like i think

i might even punch this guy i'm not going like hey hey did we really say that yeah we did shut up so as i'm leaving so here's what happens uh just before like it's maybe an hour beforehand. I get up to leave and he says something like, oh, I see you got your boots on, makes another crack, he's got, make sure your boy's got your boots on, whatever he's saying. He works talking shit. I get up to leave and he gets up to leave.

And as I'm walking out the door, he makes some other crack. And I said, man, you need to stop worrying about whether I'm turning, because I am turning the channel. You watch. You ain't turning shit. I said, I'm going to, I'm telling you, I'm going to take that fucking TV off the wall. You think you're cute? So don't give a shit. I said, bro, I got like 10 more years to go. I can

give a fuck I said I'll pull that thing right off the fucking wall and he looked at me and he goes what did he say he said oh then you're going to happen I looked at him I said you need to stop worrying about what's going to happen bro because I'm going to yank that TV clean off the wall and we're going to watch it we'll watch it in the shoe together I said what you need to worry about is this that when we get out of the shoe and they transfer you you'd better hope they don't send you someplace out west where they're going to be asking for paperwork that you and I both know you can't provide and he looked at me and went because what i basically say if you don't what i basically said if nobody understands is that i just said that i know your paperwork isn't good

i know you told on some people right like i know you can't go out west where they're going to ask you for paperwork for real for real like not not give you a pass because you came in and had a story that semi made sense they're going to ask you for paperwork and you're going to have to prove that you didn't cooperate. So I said, hey, I said, they're going to send you someplace out west where they're going to ask you for paperwork that you and I both know you can't provide.

And by the way, when I look at you like this, I wasn't looking at him like this. I was looking up at him because he's like, like, like he's like, 510, 511, and I'm like 5, 6. So we're this close and I'm like, yeah, you better, you better.

It's like not intimidating. So he looked at me and he went, he kind of looks around and he goes, does somebody say something? I mean, that was it, bro. You just fucked up. You heard the branch. Yeah.

It was like, and I went, I said, I go, yeah. And he goes, who? And I go, you just now. And he went, he sat there and he goes, he goes, oh, what? Brilliant movie.

What the, I said, bro, I said, your numbers don't work. They don't, your numbers don't work. I go, you, you're on a, you're off the chart for criminal history. And you got 15 years. And he went. sat there and he goes bro you know i'm just fucking with you bro you can watch that show he said i was just playing with you i said man i was just playing with you two cook i would you know i was you know i was you know i appreciate that he's like yeah man don't worry about it man i watch the show that's cool that's cool don't worry about i said all right i said no problem he said yeah you know that's we're good we're good right he's we're good right he said no we're good we're good he goes okay all right and he walks off listen he came in 20 minutes later grabbed his chair two or three of his little buddies that were

also there grabbed their chairs and they all left it was just me and like a couple minutes later a couple of other guys walk in then a couple of shows walk in and we're all sit there and we what guys are like dang bro what happened i'm like no i mean he was just playing it's fine it's not a big deal a couple days later cook comes up to me was can i talk to you in the in the uh in the wash room where they had like you know the mops and shit and i go yeah what's up he walks in he goes you really didn't know i went no i said i always assumed he was nobody's ever said nothing I said nobody ever said nothing and I said what happened really I said because your numbers don't make sense and he was fuck he was what did I say I said bro you've been in state prison three times

you've told me about multiple arrests I said I know that your criminal history is off the chart there's I said you should have been at at at at least 25 years he was bro I was looking at life he was looking at life it was it was drugs yes right right and and what it was it was he was caught with meth and he was caught with a gun and he's been to oh he's done right and he sat there and I And I said, so, and he goes, you know, and he said, so I go, so you cooperated? And he's like, yeah, but you don't understand what happened. I said, I don't need to understand. Like he's trying to, you know, they always like, you don't understand.

It was my cousin, Pookie, Pookie told on me first. And it did, and it's always some reason that makes sense. And I don't care what your reason it is. You cooperate. I could care less. Yeah, it's retaliation. Yeah, the guy told on me first. I thought, right.

I had no choice. He was lying. And in my, they were threatening my, they were going to, I only did it for my wife. How about you just didn't want to do the time? How about you just didn't want to do that? Yeah, I'm okay with you didn't want to do that. I didn't, I couldn't do life. Right.

I couldn't do it. Amen. Sorry. I got to spread it around. You've got to do five years. He can do 10 of it. You can do seven. Is it wrong?

Yes. And I feel bad. But now I don't have to do life and I'm okay with that. You know, because trust me, I can't be sitting for the rest of my life saying, yeah, I'm a stand-up guy, though. Little consolation when you can't make commissary. So anyway, he, so yeah, I was like, don't care. And he had some stupid story. I don't know if you've ever heard this one where the guys will say that they buried guns because they knew someday they'd get busted and they would be able to tell the DEA where there were guns and they'd give them a reduction for the guns. But really, they were my guns. I had bought and planted there. So I didn't tell on anybody. I just told him where there was something. Stop. Stop it. That's a good line. That's a good line, but it doesn't work. That's not what happened. Like, that's a lie. Really? And those guns that you gave them resulted in an arrest?

no no stop it helped further an investigation they were already working on no it helped okay stop but i was like look whatever bro later on he told me what really happened um so anyway listen listen even his the guy that got him messed up uh on his charge was also there so anyway that was one thing that almost like what did it come to an argument or not i mean a fight or not i don't know but it was always comical because i was that close to getting the living shit kicked out of me another I only had two other incidences one incidences

incidents yeah sorry another time I was when I first got locked up in the cell with two guys in the media no no I was I was in the Marshall's holdover oh I don't know if I ever told you this

another eye incident by the way so I'm sitting there I'm weird it's three guys in this little tiny room no four of us at one point three and then four is two bunks in a tiny little room one of the guys and you're basically laying down all day you can't get up and walk around there's no way there's as soon as you get off your bunk there's a toilet that's it so the other

time was like I was in the cell we'd been locked up forever and the one guy is bipolar big black guy bipolar um and and so I remember we I had gotten down to go to the bathroom and there was a mirror in the bathroom you know it's that shiny chrome and I'm so I'm one piece of toilet and sink yeah yeah yeah so I'm taking a piss and I look up and the guys I can see him looking at me while he's while I'm pissing no big deal you know you're it's a small room you got to look somewhere but he's you know anyway I glanced up at him and I don't think anything of it I'm still pissing and I glance up and he's looking at me again he goes what you're looking at I went not looking at anything you're looking

at me you're saying I'm you saying I'm a punk that's what you're saying that's what you're saying and he jumps up i'm pissing he jumps up what gets in my face while i'm going to the bathroom and i'm like whoa whoa hey hey you're saying i'm a punk that's what you're saying i'm a punk and keep on everybody knows the guy's a loose cannon right and he jams his finger in my eye and like and i went what the fuck i'm spitting i go what the fuck and he's like i ain't no punk Oh, I don't know bunk. And I finish, zip up, turn around and walk away. The guy's like six foot four.

He's a giant. He had to be over 350 pounds. I'm using a massive guy. Worked out. Every time they went to wreck, he went out and worked out. Damn. So I get back in my bunk. He went for like the next 30 minutes or so.

He's walking around like this, you know, flexing, pacing in the room. There's barely any room to pace. Like, I mean, he's literally. It's like two steps this way, three steps that way, and you're done. Or you're tripping over the toilet. And he's like, I ain't no punk, I don't get, I ain't no punk, man. He's just working and I'm sitting there staring out. I'm sitting Indian style on my bunk, top bunk in the corner, waiting for him to come at me

so I can wedge myself in the corner and just kick him back. Right. This guy's spitting, a little bits of spit coming out of his mouth. The other guy that's in the room is down there looking up like, fuck like he's nuts after a couple oh after like 30 minutes or so he calms down he goes and he lays down he woke up like an hour or so later got up and said man i'm sorry about that man i just you know i i i i sometimes i get in my head and i can't i can't stop the i'm sorry man i was out of line i was and i'm looking at him thinking this guy's insane like the i had just been locked

up maybe a month or so maybe might have been had now that morning I think about it had to be had to be about a month maybe two months in that because I was in Atlanta so that was one time and then um well I have you have yeah you have another one I'll tell you my other one which is funny yeah well the the one in the pin where I actually got well I want to say assaulted because I've been in a couple of fights one was like over like I was changing it after I've been there a while I was changing the TV and me and the guy's arguing and the guy's up in my face and I push him back and then we started going at it you know but that's probably even because we were hugging and locked up but um the one time I was assaulted was like I had been there about two months and I had put something together because I was fighting my case so I had put something together and I needed copies, and I didn't have a copycard.

So somebody told me that the woman working, this was in the library in the evening time, Ms. Green, he said, Ms. Green makes copies for inmates. I've seen her do it. I said, okay, well, cool. So I go and she's in there with another inmate making copies, right? So I said, Ms. Green, is it possible? I can get some copies made, you know? And she's like, what makes you think I make copies?

I said, yeah, somebody told me that you'll make copies for us if we need copies. She goes, that sounds like some lieutenant sent you and put you up to it. I do not make copies for inmates. I do not make copies for inmates. I said, okay, no problem. And left. I'm like, okay, I don't know what's got into her. So I go back and sit down.

I go, hey, she want to make the copy. So I sit down and then all of a sudden, two guys approach me. Now, both of these guys are muscular, but one's kind of about 180 pounds muscular, and one's about 270 pounds muscular. Right? and they come in and, you know, the 270-pound muscular guy,

he's just punching the air, pacing back and forth. He doesn't think none of these guys are brilliant. None of these guys are brilliant. Right? So I'm sitting there and I'm looking and he's punching the air. And then the little skinny muscular guy, he kind of sits on top of a desk. And he goes, dude, he goes, how long have you been in the pen? I said, I've been here about two months.

You ever been in the pen before? I'm like, no, this is my first time. he's like dude he's like you just fucked us up I said what he goes we were getting copies from this green and you come in there and say that to her and now she don't want to make copies for us anymore that was our business how we were making money I'm like my bad man I go I didn't know he's like you didn't know it don't matter if you didn't know or not you just cost me 50 60 80 dollars I'm like all right I mean you don't think you get anybody else to make I's like nah man

no you're going to have to pay me my money you don't cost me my money you're going to have to pay me so I'm like okay explain this again he's like you just walked in there on Miss Green said what you said now she don't want to make copies for me

and I was getting copies made for multiple people on the compound and you don't shut me down you ruined my hustle yeah you ruin my hustle you owe me $80 in commissary so I'm gonna bring you when do you go to stow I said uh I think I think I go next Wednesday.

I'm going to bring you a list and you're going to get me my shit. So I'm like, okay. And I do that because I have to process. I'm not the type of person that like violence is not my first reaction. And when someone tells me something that I can't quite grasp, I'm thinking myself, I need to process this because like I don't quite understand what's going on. So. Yeah.

Let me think my way out of this. Yeah. To say, okay, cool, and walk away, I'm going to try and figure out what's going on. Right. How do I get out of this? Yes. It's got to be a logical way to do this. Because all of this doesn't make sense.

Right. What just transpired. I don't even know what the hell is going on. So as the week progresses, they bring me a list for $80. Like, okay, you need to pick this up. I'm saying, now hold on a second. As I'm asking questions, I'm like, so you're saying I owe you money because Ms. Green cut off your business.

Right. I said, if she would have just changed the mind and decided not to do it, who would owe you money? You're like, well, if she just changed the mind, we'd just be out. But you would have made a change of mind, so you owe us this money. So as I'm processing and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm getting extorted. Right. So then I told myself, if I pay this, this is probably the first of many payments. Yeah.

So I'm like, I'm not going to pay it. I'm absolutely not going to pay it. I said, I might as well go to the shoe. I'm thinking I could check in. But then I'm like, you know, I have some skills. I can hit back. I probably could take an ass whoopin. You know what I'm saying?

As long as they don't kill me, whatever. I'll just make it out in public and I'm going to scream for help like a bitch if it all gets out of hand. You know what I'm saying? I know how to handle this, right? So the day comes, I'm supposed to have the groceries. I meet in the library that night. And they're like, you got our food? I said, no.

I don't. They say, well, and they're making excuses for me. So I'm thinking I'm going to get out of this anyway. It is a bunch of yap, you know. They're like, well, what happened? Your money didn't come in? You need some more time. What happened?

Right? So I'm like, no, man, I just decided I don't, I don't think I'm going to pay it. They look at each other and they leave. I'm like, okay. That was easy. So the next day, next night in the library, they come in. Both of them together, but the routine starts over. So the big guy's coming in, he's punching there.

Look, look. comes uh let me highlight you right quick bro so you cost us money and you saying you ain't in the pay us is that what's that what's that what is that what's going on i say listen man because in my mind i'm like this has got to be a joke this is not real it's a stand-up routine this is the stand-up routine so i say i say listen bro i said if my mistake cost you money right i apologize you know what i'm saying but i'm not paying you you $80 for some money you got on the come. I'm just not going to get in the middle

of that. Right. So he's like, I tell you what? He goes, let me hollet. Let me hollet you. Right. Instead of us talking and arguing in front of anybody, let me hollet you right quick in this other room. Stupidly, like, it played on my intelligence so much that I went into the other room. You thought you could talk them out of it? Well, I thought

it was over. I thought this is all a joke. This is not real. Right. So I go into the other room, right? And both guys come in and they close the door. Then I come to realize. No camera. Yeah, no camera. I come to realize I'm like, hmm, this just went bad.

I go, when I came in here, there was probably about four guys in that library as lookout. You know, it's like the situation processed as now he started back talking. He's like, he go, like, he go, unfortunately, because he's given a spiel, this is like, I'm from the wolf your ass beer. unfortunately we can't have people thinking they can just do us any kind of way no he's in a spiel but I'm processing in my mind like this was a big mistake me walking in this room and if other people find out that we let a MF get us in a situation and I'm like how do I get out of this room so that's why we got to make an example of you this is all processing at once so I told him I said, hey, so in my mind, I'm like, I need to get loud, right? And I need to get close to that door where that guy's punching to get out of here. So he's talking and I cut him off because I really, I wasn't listening to him anyway. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I said? Because you're me. I'm like, hey, hey, hey, huh? I said, hey, I say, hey, I say, listen, man, I'm a holl at you all later. I ain't got time for this. Well, the dude punching the air, when I stop. and he stops and looks and he comes over and he cocks me right in the like i watch the whole thing he runs over to me and he punches me right in the face boom i go down so luckily they're not

kicking they decide they're going to bend over and beat like they're going to beat me up traditionally so they're bending over to beat me up so i get in the fetal position but i'm yelling oh stop stop oh this is a by the way this is a library so it's a where i'm at is a back book room so I grab a cart full of books and pull it down on myself so there's books so they're punching books and everything they hit me right and I'm screaming wow then they go hey I hear somebody on outside I say hey so the guy the big guy that's punching me he stops and he looks back so I'm in the fetal and I look and I see him look the other way and like an idiot I punch it boom in the face he's like oh he goes down but the other guy they're beating me up then they both stop and they run out of the room

Well, the CO comes in, I'm bloodied, they don't break anything. I'm just bloodied up in the face, you know, bleeding from my lips and teeth. What happened? Who jumped you? Who was it? Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I don't know who it was. So they-

Little Jimmy and Miami. They actually, you track them down, right? Somebody told on them because they actually got them both and me, and I'm the only one that came out, right? Nobody even liked those guys. They got the cameras. They can see these two. Those guys probably just ran down the hallway and it's pretty obvious.

Like, oh, and it's a pen. It's like, what? Four or five hundred guys? How many people were that? No, it was a 1500. It was a pretty big pin. But still, somebody in the library is like, that's Thompson. He's in B7.

That's Jimmy. But that was like my experience of being jumped. But like I said, the whole time I thought, I'm like, this is a joke. I'm like, what the hell is going on? Did you go to the shoe? Yes. I went to the shoe for about a week. Um, what had happened is, I think SIS had told me that these guys, they've been jump.

And I don't understand how they've been jumping people because they were really lousy fighters. All right. Like when I went down, this should have kicked me to sleep. But for some reason, they wanted to stoop down and hit me with their fists. I'm like, what are y'all doing? This is not even the right way to do this. You got me down. Keep me.

Yeah. When I pulled the book cart on me, because I just grabbed, I didn't pull it when I fell. Like, when they're hitting me, I grab up. and I grab it and pull it down on me. So it was strange. It was weird. So it wasn't that bad. What happened with those guys?

They shipped them. Oh, they told me they were problems anyway. They were, they were into something else. They were bullying and that wasn't their forte. Right. So this was just,

this was just an excuse to get rid of them anyway. We knew they were into something, but this gives us an excuse to ship them. Yes. Make somebody else's problem. The SIS guy was a black guy and he's like, you just got here for tax fraud. He goes, we're shipping.

He goes, listen, man. He goes, I've had problems with, he, he mentioned it. Matt, I just, I swear I can't remember. Either they were into tickets, gambling, or they were into something that he's like, listen, I've been wanting to get rid of those two idiots forever. Right. Thank you. Get out of here. So, and the rumor was I got extorted, but, you know, I'm like, I never paid it.

Yeah. I actually had, look, so like I went to the medium, right? Like, I never had any problems with the medium, right? Right. You know, other than being attractive. but when I got to the low so I've been to the low maybe two three weeks I think I've told you this

so this guy comes over and guys like six foot six by the way huge like really tall muscular guy comes over I want to say his name was oh B they called him B so B comes over to me one day

I'm in my cell with my cell he's sitting there and I was sitting there writing when you say to extortion it reminds me this so B comes over he walks in my cell and I'll make this story quick he says he walks right up to me I'm sitting in a chair right and you know I'm wedged between the but like he can't come too close like he comes up and goes he goes hey I'm I'm already sitting down you're six foot six you're already a foot taller than me

and I'm sitting down so I'm like I'm like yeah what's up and he goes he said this is how this is going to work bro I'm going to give you, I forget what he said, 50 or let's say, let's say 100 bucks. He goes, I'm going to give you a hundred bucks, no, here's how he's going to work. You're going to give me $100 with a commissary a month. He said, ain't nobody going to bother me or ain't nobody going to bother you. And I went, oh, yeah? And he goes, yeah.

That's how it's going to work. That's how it's going to work. And I went, okay, so you got a list? I guess he was expecting some pushback. Right. I go, you got a list? He's like, no joke.

And I went, no, I understand. You're going to, you can make sure nobody bugs me. I'll give you 100 bucks. Yeah. I said, oh, well, give me a list. And I sat there and I went, did anything else?

And he's like, nah, man. I said, all right, give me a list. And he goes, no, what you need a list for? I said, what am I,

I'm just going to randomly? get you a hundred dollars worth of stuff i mean what do you need a list for i said if it's up to me it's going to be like copycards and like you know dandruff shampoo like i mean i need a list i need to know what you want and you could tell he was just like

something's really wrong here and he goes i don't know about no list i said yeah man you write up a list and i'll get it for i go write up a list i said make sure you put your name and what what sell you're in uh too and what you need that

that for? I said, well, so that I can, when I bring it to the counselor and ask him what I'm supposed to do about this, this six foot, six black guy trying to extort me for a hundred bucks a month, I said, so we can go straight to yourself. I said, and have a talk with you. And he looked at me and he goes, oh, that's how it is. You're going to rat me out? I said, of course I'm going to rat you out. I said, look at this compound. I said, there's only two kinds of people here. Rats and chomo's. That's it. I said, less than five percent of the, of this entire I said, less than 5% of the people here didn't cooperate. I go, this is a protective custody compound.

I said, now, maybe you're one of the stand-up guys. I said, I don't know. I found out later, by the way, he'd been back to court like five times, four or five times to cooperate. He started with a life sentence. So, you know, I didn't know that at the time, though. I'd just gotten there. Like, I'd seen him around, but I don't know who he is. I don't talk to this guy.

So I said, I said, so. He said, oh, you're just going to wrap me out like that? I said, of course. absolutely absolutely I said I didn't come here to make friends I said and I said I will rat out anybody I have to to survive and get out of this place I'm not here to make friends I said so give me your list so we can all have a conversation he's always that's going to go bad for you so I don't give a shit how it goes I tell you what's not going to happen is you're not going to get your hundred your hundred bucks now luckily it was a low and not a medium so he didn't attack me

he said oh they ain't going to work out good for you and he just like walked off right I never heard it from him again like I'm walking by him and he's looking at me and I'm just or I'm just not looking at them at all it's like you glance up to see him and just keep your head down keep walking like I'm waiting for it to go bad never did

never did what ended up happening was I actually had a two man cube and I was going to move from the top bunk to the bottom bunk and my celly was going to the drug program it was like a month or so later and literally this guy

so this guy named Rambo who was a Puerto Rican guy when my cell he moved out he moved in and you don't just move in somebody's cell you know what I mean like you know that and first of all I was supposed to go down so he moves in

I'm furious and I go what the what the fuck's going on bro what do you mean you just come in here and he and he's like he's like oh that's the way it is man Rambo that's the guy I'm thinking we got it distorted you but go ahead no no this is another guy all right so what happens is I end up

going in and bitching and moaning and the white TV wrote man this fucking piece of shit you know he this he that so I have this whole thing and these guys this one guy's like hey bro my cellie's moving or I'm gonna be leaving you can move myself said no man I can't stay one night I gotta figure out something out right now

and the guy goes let's go talk to my celly so we got to I go to this guy's celly and I convince his celly who's a sex offender to swap bunks with me right so while Rambo's taking a nap we actually move our stuff so now he's stuck in a room

with a chomo which you know he ain't happy about at all so we swap swap them out and I actually paid this the the sex offender I paid him 30 bucks like I went and got him $30 in commissary he was like oh what if you don't give me the commissary said bro I said I'm not like that I don't give a shit what you're here for I said I'm gonna get you the $30 I'm not like these other guys I'm gonna get you the 30 I did I got him 30 bucks you know what it was bother me about that was that it was basically like 15 bucks worth of underwear and I know that when he was walking around the compound after that he was walking around the compound and I would glance over and we'd make eye contact and I know that he knew that I knew that he're wearing my underwear I bought you those underwear like it was a weird thing like if I felt uncomfortable after that did you did I what did you ever say anything about your wearing no I was like at least now he had my fear is that yeah my fear is he's thinking he's thinking to himself I'm wearing your underwear you bought me you know yeah not good so but what happened was so we swap it and the guy was furious

about it too, bro. Like, I mean, literally was, like, everybody's laughing at him now. Like, oh, you thought you were cute. Now you're stuck with Chomo. Anyway, what's so funny is, so then, like, a couple days later, I'm walking down the hallway and that guy B that tried to extort me, we're walking by each other. And he sees me, walks up, he goes, hey, Cox, hey Cox. And I remember thinking, fuck this fucking guy.

What's going to happen now? I look up and I go, yeah, what's up? He said, the shit you did with the Chomo? And I go, yeah? He goes, I was a veteran move, bro. Veteran move. And he fist bumps me and walks. And he goes like, you're all right, and walks off.

Because that's a veteran move. We're buddies after that. With Rambo who was the asshole? Yeah. He's the same guy. You know, it's funny, he's the same guy. He was, Trump had been just become president. Right.

A few months earlier. And B was bent over the fountain machine drinking water. And I came walking up behind him. And he turned around. He looked at me and said, Hey, E Cox. I don't like a white man coming up behind me like that. And I said, well, don't worry. I said, six months of Trump being president,

you're going to have your own water fountain. And he went, oh, man. He goes, oh, I said, nice, right? Right? He goes, oh, he starts live. He didn't know he was torn between. That was a good one. And hey.

Hey, that was a good one. Yeah. No, I had a question about, do you remember, I think it was a chomo at the medium? it was a kid who looked like he was about 13 14 absolutely absolutely he had the shorts on remember that day he had just the shorts and no shirt and sucking a lollipop do you remember that the white guys came to him and told me he had to buy them all to stay he had to buy them all tennis shoes when he first got there right really is that yes yes little white guy yes and they moved them to the low

oh i i i don't know if he was there when i got there i don't i don't remember but but wasn't he there he was what was it he was making they were making like oh he was getting he was getting younger he wasn't a teenager he was like a grown man yes yeah but he's getting young girls a girls or guys well i don't know what he's he's getting i thought it was young girls to make pornoes with other kids and they were videoing it wasn't that the crime like it was actually like because he tried to get him in the somebody tried to get him into laundry and laundry lady said i don't want anybody here with that type charge. Right, right, right. She's just like outright. She goes, listen, she goes, I don't want anybody working in here with that type of charge. That's exactly what she said. But I, because I thought

he went to the low. Because when I went to the shoe, he was in the shoe the whole time and I heard them tell him, we finally got you approved to go to the low. His mom was going nuts. I forgot his name. Bro, he, listen, there were so many of those guys there. There were so many sex offenders. But you never saw him again. No. And listen, if they could have ordered, they could have run the compound like they could have told you you ain't going to the yard i mean there were so many of them but they're all so scared and so timid and they're all you know it's they're embarrassed and they're ashamed and they're you know listen but then there were some of them that weren't some of them are literally ready to argue with you that like it's totally acceptable to be looking at pictures or

or talk or having sex like back in uh you know back a hundred years ago and you could be a 45 year old man and be having sex with a 13 year old what's the problem It was like, what are you doing, bro? You know, so it, some of them were just voistrous, and it was like, bro, you understand that you're lucky you're at a compound. Because let's face it, if they went to like Yazoo or so, most places, you're not watching TV. No. You don't even, don't even look in the TV room. Like, you're not coming.

They would let these guys. Joseph had a couple of them. Right. Jessup medium had a couple of them. But I think the lows are inundated. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That Holman low, it was coddled them.

Massive. Massive. They coddled them. who was somebody when I was in the shoe is when I met people I remember it was it was a Spanish guy told me that the S when you got there the SIS told them that they had it was like an experiment and they told you they said the SIS would tell him we don't think that you're right for this place there are only certain types of people we allow to be here and you have to be like very accepting they they coddled them at that Coleman low they coddle they that because they had Conrad Black there yeah they told me He told me, look, Cox, you're going to be all right. He said, you're going to be all right. Just follow the rules. And as long as you don't have a problem with our indigenous population, he said, you're going to be okay.

I said, oh, I said, that's right. I said, I heard you guys got like 300 sex offenders here. He goes, no, it's like half. He's just like half the people here have sex offender charges. So if you got a problem with that, I said, man, I said, I don't, man, I just want to do my time, bro. I just want to be left alone. As long as they don't bother me, I'm fine. I said I could care less.

He was like, they didn't bother you? No, I was too old. You know, that when I shaved, you know, and they're like,

hey, cutie. But anyway. Yeah, so that was, so what was the other one? The other, oh,

my other story was the car story about the, where they all gathered up, but I had been there about a year and a half. So after about, so, really this incident this is the one you have to use for the try and figure out how to use this

for the hook like this was this is this is going to this incident changed my statue because like that your status or your status yeah statue statue statue you know that's not the status status status status nature stature thank you well um like i kind of went from maybe follower to leader because so many people afterwards said man thank you yeah so what happened what so um they're like normally they set the alarm that we have we're having a meeting so if if if two cars are going to go at it like while i was there the florida car went at it with the crips when i was at beaum which was i had just got there and that went down and there were stabbing's involved so people from florida we had to work it out another time we went Florida has issues we went we went at it with the Spanish

while I was there against the Spanish against the Crips we against the Texas car and against the Northwest car so Florida would get into it these Florida guys had major issues so at one point we were going to get into it with the guys from D.C. That is actually the nightmare situation in the pin is the DC because the DC guys are so vicious well they're basically state inmates yes and and so they're all scummy they just yeah yeah because DC they don't have like a prison like if you commit a crime in DC it's federal it's federal even if it's a misdemeanor you could be stealing hubcaps going to feds you talk serious like it could be anything you're going to the fed no matter what it's fed fed fed fed fed fed and you know the guys did that now to the Indian

reservations yeah yeah yeah they those guys started showing up left and right left and right yeah they did it to the end but anyway so we were going to go to war with dc so it's going around the compound we're going to war to d with dc so someone and and this is like serious like it's it's not just one day we're saying this and the next day it's over like they're prepping people to the point where i'm they come to me and they're like do you have a knife and i'm like what they go you need a knife so dude gave me a knife like I don't know how he made this thing but it was like a shard of metal about this long blade sharp that I cut my finger like holy piss and he's they're giving me stab lessons and he's

showing me how to strap it to my hand like strap the thing to your hand because blood's very slippery and the soon you get some blood it'll slip out of your hand yep that's what I that's what I heard yes I was it was serious like this was serious like this was going to go down right so I'm like when where it was supposed to be on a Friday so we have one meeting and this is in in a unit in a guy's cell during the move so we go during the move we go in this guy this guy's name is um they call him ice man they call him ice but um he's a big snagletooth punk right he has a he had a boyfriend but he was gay but he was supposed to be the leader of the car. This is the guy that's supposed to guide us and talk to a couple of

people. He was the one that told me to go and beat up the guy for jacking in the kitchen. You know, he worked with other cars. I had seen him put out a couple of incidents. I didn't really like him. He barely even talked to me. I don't think he liked me either, but he was there. So we're going to see Iceman, who was the car leader. So we get in this cell. So he's like, hey, listen. And he's given the spiel like, listen. like the battle speech like not all of us are going to make it right so all the thing i hear is we're going into war with the dc car so i get in the cell and he's like all right all of us ain't going to make it he goes and some things are worth spending the rest of your life are giving

your life uh but one thing ain't going to happen man these people ain't going to just do us any kind away. This is a vicious fucking group. They don't tried us and we ain't been to put up with it. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah. Listen, we men. We represent Florida. We represent a big state and we ain't going to go down like this.

So y'all get ready Friday morning. They're going to meet them on the rec yard. We got a day and a half, call you people, let them know because this is been to go down. It's going down in this mug, going down. My soldiers. Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah. All right. When they call a move, y'all get

out of here. All right. No problem. Cool. All right. So we're all standing around quiet like, yeah, it's murmur. So I said, hey, I have a question. Right? So yeah, what's up, man? I said, why are we going to war? I said, what happened? I go, and nobody ever told me what happened. Why are we going to war? Iceman put his head down. Because one of them dudes tried to go after my boy.

I said, no more murmur because the murmur tried to go after my boy. I said, by your boy, you mean that dude, that gay guy that was your sally? He's like, yeah. Man, we got to let them dudes know, man, they can't just try anybody. man, we represent him. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm like, um, I don't want to go to war over a homosexual.

I'm like, I wasn't poking him in the butt. I'm sure you're, I'm sure he's, I'm sure your punk's a wonderful person. I'm sure, yeah, that's exactly. The problem is that I should say it. I'm sure he's a good piece of ass. I bet, because he looks cute. But I'm not going to do life or kill anybody

or die. Because someone disrespected you're a punk. I want to. Don't get me wrong. I hear you. Unacceptable. I'm going to, I'm ready to compose a harshly worded email. Not stab someone.

Why didn't I say that? So I'm unwrapping the hand. I'm like, um, you're going to have to count me out, right? Oh man, you back out of this. You out the car completely. I can live with that I mean that seems reasonable because in the future

I don't want to be called to go to war now if they attacked someone in like one of our friends if it's a genuine issue yes right you know what I'm saying because I talked to a bunch of matter of fact I still talk to a bunch of them

but I'm not going to war over your punk's not even from Florida so what did the other guys do murmur so I said I'm out he's like well then you walk alone this is what he's telling me

you walk alone I said I walk alone I said I walk alone I'm like I'm cool with it but you've been there several years by now no I've been there about two years going on two years

yeah okay two years I said I walk alone right so when they call a move I leave right so they when they leave nah let that nigga go blah blah blah you know they're talking

ice talking to him blah blah blah so when they come out right all of a sudden the Friday attack is off right and then people are telling me like I'm with you man I like I wouldn't have been to go to war over a punk yeah like everybody's telling me that and thanking me for because believe it or not most of us didn't know what we were fighting for right but I like that I'm ready to do a harshly worded email I got

your back in writing that's right and if they jump you about him Yeah. Or if I see someone kissing him, I'm willing to say something. I'm definitely going to be it. Unacceptable. Unacceptable. Lips off that guy. Lips off that guy. He's taken. What was the guy's name? Oh, Ice. Ice man. Yeah. That's, you know damn well. Iceman loves you. So, yeah, yeah. No. No. Yes. So it didn't happen. So I kind of, my statue went up because so many people agreed because they didn't know they were blindsided. that whole thing. It was unbelievable.

I couldn't believe it. Like, I'm thinking, like, holy mackerel. Like, I've never been to war. I'm about to go and meet with D.C. guy. Probably get slaughtered. And I'm like, I don't even know why. And what surprised me is nobody was asking. Right.

It's like, hey, we're doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're good soldiers. You don't ask, you know, the political reasons behind the decision. You're a soldier. You're a button. You're a button man.

A button. Button man, not button, not button, not your button, button. Are we doing this for a piece of ass? Oh, man. I was going to say, so listen, so the other one with me is this, is that there was a guy named Billy who was supposedly a biker. And, you know, and so Billy was in the low. And Billy, when he first got there, immediately started telling everybody,

Like, you know, everybody's a punk, you know, oh, that dude's a punk, that dude's a chomo, all these fucking snitches around here. I'm a stand-up guy. I'm this, I'm that. Ellis Cook actually got so sick of listening to him because Ellis Cook was preaching the same thing. So Billy's preaching it. Ellis Cook, but they had an issue. Like, they constantly were budding heads over the TV. You know what problems the TVs are.

Yes. The TVs are huge problems. So they were constantly budding heads. Cook actually had somebody on the street. Look up Billy. look up his charges and while they were he was trying to figure out

if he cooperated while they were he was looking to see if he cooperated which he did he found out that Billy was a registered sex offender

he'd actually had sex with like a 14 year old girl when he was like 32 or something like one of his buddies whatever kids or something

and he got charged with it and he actually had I think he just got like probation or something it's funny because in the feds like if you look

at a kid online in the feds you get three three or minimum mandatory to possibly 10 or 12 or five whatever but on the state level if you actually get a hold of the kid and have sex with her you get probation so if I took a picture of her and put it on the line five years right but you just had sex well oh okay so anyway Billy so Billy actually was a registered sex offender on the Florida website so he actually cooked somehow another got the actually got the the flyer sent in and made copies of it and passed it out so billy was totally outed and got an article that said talked about billy being a cooperating witness so i mean billy's like done so anyway but billy still he's acting like it's all bullshit like that none of that's

true he did admit the sex offender thing at some point but the point is one day we're sitting and i used to mess with billy all the time used to make he was always making wise cracks and i'd make wise cracks back right so i actually at one point like he would say stuff like i remember one time some guy came in the tv room and sat down and we're all watching tv and the guy was like he had just come out of the counselor's office and he's like he's like yeah man i i i just got my halfway house date back uh they got they gave me nine months uh i i leave next month guys are like man good for you bro good for you where are you going after that man i'm gonna go stay with my family i'm gonna stay here i'm i'm gonna try and get moved up to west virginia or whatever

billy would throw in like you know yeah i don't know if i'm i ain't gonna take no halfway house i don't want no halfway house and well in florida the halfway houses won't take sex offenders so you don't have it you acting like i don't want it no you don't have a choice so stop with that but that's what you said no no what i said was Somebody said, Billy then said, he's like, I'm not sure where I'm going to go on him.

I don't think I'm, like, he's just talking to himself, really. Nobody's to him talk. He's like, oh, no, I might go stay with my,

I'm going to stay with my family. I don't know. I might, might stay with my girl. I don't know. And I went, well, I know where you're not saying.

And he goes, where? And I go anywhere close to a church, a daycare. I said, or a school like that. And everybody, I said,

or a park. Everybody starts laughing. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. and gets up and walks off or, you know, would stand up, and he'd jump up and yell, you, fuck you, Cox. And I just, ha, ha, ha, and I start laughing.

You know, what are you going to do? He'd walk off as it got closer to him going home. I don't know what happened, but we keep, I'm still messing with him the whole time. Like, this has been years going on. So that's just our relationship. Like, don't say anything stupid around me. The way I looked at it is this. I remember my ex-wife said, you would think that going to prison would have curbed your

smart-assness, it would have made you a little bit humble. And I was like, no, I was like, well, you know, I realized right away that either I can be quiet my entire bit, or I can make a wisecrack every once a while and get bitch slapped. I said, I'm over the bitch slapping pretty quick. But being quiet the whole time and not making these great comments that I make, I said, I can't do it. I just can. I'll die of cancer.

I'll never make it through the whole thing. Keeping that bottled up? That's not right. I got to let it out. I just got to get smacked every once in a while. I was just taken. She was just like, you're such an idiot. So one day I'm sitting there, Billy's seat was behind me, and we're sitting there watching

TV, and you know, Billy said stupid, you know, people say stupid shit. And I remember, this is the kind of stupid stuff he would say. And I'm sitting there watching the, watching TV in some hot, we were watching a country music video, and there's a hot chick walking down the beach. And Billy goes, Billy said something along the lines of. you wouldn't know what to do with that, would you Cox? And I go, shit, I got a better chance of hitting that than you do.

And he goes, man, I want to, I want to fuck something. I'll knock your ass out and fuck you. And I go, shit, Billy. I said, I'm a little bit old for you. Plus I have my high school diploma. And he jumps up and bam. Bitch slaps me. And I was like, so hard, by the way.

Billy's like six foot tall and two something. What is what you and the six foot people? It bothers me. I'm five foot six and it irritates me So so you know Listen hit me so hard I like lean forward And you know what I actually thought happened

I thought someone had walked You know people walked with their chairs over their heads So I thought someone had walked in the door And drop the chair on me Really? Like I actually remember looking around for the chair I was like The chair like they bounce

The plastic chairs will bounce you know So I'm waiting for it to bounce back And for a second I was like And then I realized this motherfucker hit me I jump up I go you motherfucker then of course he's also six foot something tall and I'm thinking

what am I gonna do he's gonna kill me so and Billy's like fuck you you fuck you chomo motherfucker and so we're yelling back and forth and he just turns around and storms off thank God

because he'd beat me like a small child anyway yeah he walked off and so one of the guys looks at me and he goes bro you okay and I was like huh no I'm fine he goes no bro you're not fine he just go look in the mirror

I don't want to hear that I mean this is the money maker so I go straight I go straight into the bathroom and look bro half my eye bloodshot red he blew up like the capillary or whatever they call that I don't know I'll get correct

I'm sure that's wrong I'll probably get corrected in the in the comment section by 60 guys or like oh it's actually your session whatever so it blew it out completely red so like the whole day as I'm walking by the guards I'm constantly turning turning turning but keep in mind 95% of the compound either 50% in the compound are sex offenders the other 50% 95% cooperated so basically out of every unit of 180 guys if you do the math you've got like three to five

guys that didn't cooperate so they're all snitches right and all the chomos are snitches they just didn't get a chance to cooperate because what are you going to say you were on the computer like like I got nobody to tell on. Right. So what happens is by four o'clock count, they walk around, they do count right after count. They call, you know, Billy's name was like something, well, you know, it was William, something. Anyway, they call him William Teleferro or something. William Teleferro or whatever.

And Matthew Cox come to the officers and I'm like, oh, I walk in. And I walk in. I'm still keeping, I'm like, yeah, what's up? And the guy goes, no, no, no, no, no, Cox. turn your head and he goes he looked at me and goes it was a guy from SIS he goes

he said yeah I heard you were in a fight I said no I was not in a fight I said a fight assumes I said a fight means that I fought back I said I was assaulted like that Billy walks to the door and Billy's like yeah what's up

and I said by him like that listen I already know I'm in trouble I said by that motherfucker that motherfucker right there and Billy's like looked at me he goes fuck and I said

and the guy goes, they go, man, we got fucking, they've already have, they already got three or four people. People that weren't even in the room. They got three or four people already have written statements. We're talking about between whatever, 10 or 11 in the morning, right? And four o'clock, they've got

like three or four written statements saying that there was a, that basically they said, they all were like there was a fight. It wasn't a fight. I was just assaulted. You know? Billy's like, yeah, it was a fight. So what? I said, it wasn't a fight. Stop saying it was a fight. It wasn't a fight.

so yeah you don't want to be in a fight because I could get shipped right you know I can't I want to get shipped my mom comes to see me fuck that fuck this piece of shit so I'm ready to fuck cut your throat your head clean off your body yeah you got a problem so we by the time we got on the on the bus to be transformed he's going he's like bro just don't say nothing I go fuck you not fucking say I'm already says so I'm ready to say something you fucking piece of shit. Fuck you Cox. You know, it's fucking ridiculous. So that was when

was that when I went to the pen? When you went to the pen? I went to the pen shoe. Oh yes. I went to the pen shoe. Right. Yeah. That wasn't that bad, was it? No. Oh, the pen shoe? Yeah. Super nice.

The pin, like, by the time I get to the pen, terrified. I mean, terror. Like, I'm sitting there. I'm all locked up. I remember They drove me from the low to the, to the pen. Right. You know, the low, it's manicured. There's trees.

There's bushes. They have flowers. Concrete. Everything is concrete. And I remember driving it. I was driving, I was like, no manicured lawns here. And I was sitting that two guards are keep looking back at me. The one guard like starts laughing.

He goes, you're going to be all right, Cox. I said, I don't feel good about this. I don't get the war in fuzzies. You know what I'm saying? I don't feel good. He's like, you're going to be all right. I said, I don't know. I lived in there.

You didn't see. There's no trees. No, no. It's, I hated it. Well, I went to the shoe. So, I mean, I go in the shoe. And it was so funny when I got in the shoe, they had a bunch of guys in the, you know, in the rec yard area of where they let you out, not the wreckyard, but the wreckyard for the shoe. Right.

And there are guys, total faces tattooed, walking around, like chained up, walking around. Like chained up, walking around. I don't know. That's standard. That's standard. Oh my, bro, I'm looking at these guys and I'm like, they're like caged animals. And I remember I look at the guard. I go, bro, you can't put me in with one of those guys. He goes, oh, no, no, Cox, don't worry. You're not going to sell for you. You'll be fine. We're not putting, I mean, with nobody. He's like, we're not even putting you in with a low guy. You're going to be by yourself. It's okay. Oh, they were nice. Oh, they were nice. I walked in. He goes, now Cox, I understand you like to read. I got you some books. He had like fucking 10 bucks. He was like, I got you some books. I've got you some books. I've got you some. I've got you some. I've got you some. him this. I got you that. I've got this. Your clothes are here. You're this. He said, this is your cleaning supplies. He was, don't drink this. He goes, it's an Ajax. He goes, don't drink

the Ajax. Looked at me and I go, is that an issue? He goes, yeah, it is an issue. Don't drink it. So don't drink, if you feel the Ajax. Yeah, don't drink the, like the they had the, oh, to make themselves sick? Or what the fuck? I don't know what they're doing. How do you even drink? Like, I mix up some water and drink it. He goes, don't, he is, if you feel

suicidal? Or I said, bro, I'm not. Trust me. He says, a lot more people going out before me. I said, I'm good. He said, I'll make it through this. Like that, he was like, he started laughing. He said, okay, listen, the next day, out of there. I spent 22 hours in the shoe back on the little.

They ship, what's his name? Yeah, they put both the y'all out. Now, Billy went to the medium, and he was being released in like three to six months, so he did like three or four months in the shoe. They couldn't put him in the medium because he's a sex offender, and he cooperated. Like, it's like the triph- He could have fit at the medium. well I mean whatever anyway Andy had just gotten into a fight so they just

released him you know such a piece of shit such a piece of shit like this is I hate look here's what I can't stand I can't stand hypocrites this guy went around actively chasing around sex offenders you're a sex offender actively telling everybody

snitches you're a snitch that is the best like why human nature does that if you're cheating on your wife then the natural thing for you to do is accuse your wife of cheating. Right. Yeah, it's just for, you know, so if I'm a snitch, then I'm going to say I hate snitches.

Because maybe you'll think that, yeah, well, you hate snitches. In the way in the world, he's snitches, he hates snitches. And here's the thing. He was desperately trying to fit in in a compound where, one, you do fit in, but two, you don't need to fit in. Like at the low, like there are some, like at a pen, you would need to click up, especially at the beginning, right? Obviously. Well, maybe. But I'm saying well, I mean, I would think you would, depending

on who you are, you kind of need to click up. Like at the pin, I'm saying at the low, you don't have to click up. No. You cannot. Or really the medium. You don't have to click up in the medium. Right, right. But I'm saying at the low, especially. Like, you with a gang? No.

You know, I'm going to sit where I want to sit. I'm going to do what I want to do. All you really have to do is don't gamble, don't borrow anything. Be respectful to everybody. You're good. Stay away from the punks. Stay away from, yeah, exactly. Stay away.

Yeah, all the things. Don't try and turn the TV. Like, just follow the basic rules. Like, the TV's a big issue. Gambling is a big issue. Borrowing stuff is a big issue. And the TV's an issue. Yep.

You know, don't. Read books. Read, stay in yourself, get a job. You're going to be okay. You're right. You'll make it. I taught the real estate class for the whole time I was locked up at the low. Well, I taught it at the medium.

obviously, a couple of years, about what, two and a half years, the medium. The whole time I was locked up at the, at the low I taught it. Wow. God, I was so, I was on autopilot. I mean, I would walk in, I would have to walk it towards the end. I was walking in going, what did we go over last week? And they would go, oh, we talked about this and this and this. And I'd go, okay, that means.

And then I'd start, because now I knew where I don't have a syllabus. I was so, like, I just, and I would, they're literally, I had to do that because there were times I would walk in and start talking. and guys would be like yo Cox you this is what you went over last week like verbatim I mean literally I had it like down I had the jokes down I had the whole thing down there I was like are you serious

why did you guys let me get 10 minutes in oh we thought you were gonna do something I don't know I was like what was the average size of your class about 30 guys and you know it trickled down as it went on as it went on I might start off with eight oh yeah no no we would

My first class with guys were standing. The guys were literally standing up. And then by, you know, halfway through, you're down to 20. And then by the last part of it, you've got 10 guys, maybe 15 guys that are diehard guys that really genuinely want to learn. But, you know, when I teach real estate, I'm entertaining. And I'm breaking it down pretty clearly. I mean, the real estate class, listen, I had it down so good. I literally had guys when they were leaving, stopping me and going, hey, Cox, man, bro, it was a good class.

Shaking my hand. Like, I change, guys are telling me, other guys are telling me on the compound, they're like, hey, my sally, come, every time he leaves your class, he comes in, he says, man, I'm going to be a millionaire. I'm taking, Cox's class, man, I'm telling you right now, I'm going to make millions. This guy is, I mean, he was used, you got these guys believing that they can make millions. I'm like, think about it. And I used to tell them this, this is the, being a drug dealer, okay, converting that to real estate isn't that hard. It's because it's about the hustle. If you're a true hustler, you can do real estate.

You just got to switch your hustle. Like, it's the only, these guys aren't afraid to go knock on a door and talk to somebody they don't know. They'll do that. You get some 40-year-old white suburban woman, she's not going in those neighborhoods. she's not knocking on doors she's not these guys will yeah i mean it's it's anyway so i had the whole class down it was it was it was really it was a great class i could do a whole thing on that class it was hilarious but yeah selling certificates i was selling certificates i had a guy one time who wouldn't but go yeah of course you're selling sir of course you you have to get so many

certificates like you go into sorry i'm looking at uh you have like your counselor will tell you like one of the things that to help lower your points so you can get to a lower custody prison is you take classes. You get so many certificates and they'll start to recommend or lower your custody level or your, yeah, your custody level. So they tell you take a class, take a class, take a class. So you start taking your different classes. Guys would come in and they just want the certificate. It's like, look, man, I just want to get to a low. I just want to get to a camp. You know, I just need to take two classes every quarter. I need four certificates in the next six months and they're going to lower my custody and go to a camp. There's a, there's a camp near.

my house. I want to see my family. Can you, but I don't want to sit through your class. And I go, okay, great. Give me two coffees and two creamers. I'll do all your tests and you'll get your certificate. Cool. Fair enough. So I had this one guy, they called them Big Dummy. I hate to say this, but listen, it's

the bulk of the guys locked up are black guys. So Big Dummy was a big black guy. Dumb is a boxer rock. Big Dummy. Everybody called. You could say, hey, Big Dummy. Yeah, it was up. I mean, it wasn't offended. He wasn't a short, like BD or something? No, it was Big Dummy.

Everybody called him Big Dummy. So he came in and he never came to the class again. Came in once, signed his name, and then after about like, never came to the class. And then what happened was he, you know, you had to be signing in. So one of his other buddies was signing him in and then it was a whole thing. He was doing your job. Yeah. And then so he still.

he still missed you could only miss three classes he still missed like five classes so he comes up to me just before the whole the the you're supposed to give your certificates take the last class and he comes in and i said and he said hey cox you know i got an issue um i've been going to class but i understand that i can't that i missed a couple classes but i was there i was like bro you're in my unit like you're in my unit I know you've been one time I was like look you want to he's like man how do I get a certificate

I said okay I'll sign in sign in I said I'll sign in and I said I'll take the class for you I'll take the test for you I said all you got to do is give me two coffees two creamers that's it he's all right I got you I got you so the last day comes I sign him in

everything he's got a certificate he didn't even show up to get the certificate so I go to him and I said hey man you never got me the oh he comes to me he saw me he was a cut now I got a certificate he says hey man I named my certificate I said no no you never got me your coffee and creamer no I got you next week I said no bro I told you you have to get it beforehand well yeah I got a certificate he doesn't realize that he didn't know how he's got credit and everything for it he doesn't know that though right he's an idiot and and I and he's a big dummy big dummy got a big bag by the way

every single time he comes in from commissary with a huge bag oh yeah he's a big dummy He's just an idiot. He's just not going to buy it to me. Right. So he's not going to buy me my stuff. So he comes in and I remember I said, hey, well, you don't have it. Where's my stuff? You never got it.

And he's like, yeah, man, I got you next week. And I said, no, what am I stupid? I said, no, I need my stuff now. Right. Well, I don't have it now. I said, well, I told you I had to have it before the last class. Well, you know, my money, I ain't got my money right, bro. I ain't got my, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Bro, you, I see you're in my unit. I see you with the bags. every time you came in from commissary i'm waiting for you to come give me my stuff well his extra money is what you mean right and have your money so i'm like yeah no bro you're you're hit well you mean i'm hit i said you're hit you don't there's no certificate right and he said um no man that i said listen bro i said look i got i said you know i said listen man man just just give me i said go around to the store guy and get some coffee and i think he came back and he said, man, I got a bag of Pringles or something, whatever it was.

It was worth like basically almost nothing, three bucks, you know? I thought it was worth like $8 that you're charging. No, it wasn't worth the same amount of money, but I already have the certificate. So I end up saying to them, okay, I'll just give me the, I'll take the Pringles. That's fine. And so I go in to get the Pringles and I get the Pringles and I get. give him his certificate and he's got my Pringles in his

hand so I go, here's a certificate and he goes and turns around and I go you know get out of here and I go what? I said oh are you fucking serious?

And he goes yeah man what's you gonna do? What are you going to do? What are you? I snatched the fucking that shit out of his hands. No, no I snatched the I snatched the Pringles out of his hands

And he went He was Give me the Pringles And I go like this Like I'm throwing I said go get it Boom like that And he and his eyes go

And so I lean over But I didn't throw it I stopped it in my hand So his eyes followed where it should have gone He's And I snatched the certificate out And then I dropped the Pringles on his bed And turn around and walk off

He was You fucking con man Man, you're rugged. And he follows me in. So he follows me in my cell to grab. Like he thinks he's going to grab the certificate. Right. And I go, he goes, man, I need that.

I need that certificate. Man, I said, go get my shit. No, I said, I need that. I said, go get my stuff. I said, I ain't taking them. I want my two coffees and two creamers. And he goes, no, you give me that. That's my certificate.

That's mine. And I tore it up. You should have seen him. and I said this guy's huge by the he's a massive guy tall big and and he goes

and he said man I got team he was I got team tomorrow and I said I said bro I said you ain't got no certificate I said you're not in the computer I said I put you in the computer

I'm the one that puts you in I don't by the way so and he was you fucking gone man and he turned around and walked off stormed off so of his buddies comes up to me like five minutes later and goes, hey, Cox, man, what's

big dummy owe you? And I go, he owes me two coffees and two Kramers. He goes, he said you tore up the certificate. Can you get another certificate? And I went, yeah, I get another certificate. What about putting him in the computer? And I said, you got the two coffees and creamers? He's like, I put him in a computer. I put him in the computer. He goes off, he comes back, two coffees, two Kramer's. And I said, I'll put him in tomorrow. What was it? What was his issue? He just didn't want to pay. I don't know. He's just stupid and he thought. And he had money. And he thought he could just muscle his way. Yeah, he's a soft white guy and he's not going to this and he's, you know, there's always some idiot trying you. They're always trying you for

something. You know what I'm saying? It's always get me that. So it's like get me like, and I'm reasonable. I'm not overcharging anybody. This is reasonable. Right. Usually it's under what you really could. I knew guys are charging 30 bucks for a, for, I'm charging what? Less than $10 for a, for a certificate. Guys are charging 30 bucks for a, and it lowers your points. You needed to lower your points. Right. And, but there's always some guy who's like, you know, they give you a part of it and say, well, I got you after such as, stop. Stop. Don't do it. Don't. You don't, you don't understand how this works. I con you. You don't con me. That's how this works. Not out of a certificate at least, yes. Go to the store guy. You know, oh, they ain't got no

comments. Go to the store guy. You know, you know, it's like they're stute, like, they think you're done like I've been here 10 years you think I don't know so anyway yeah that was that was funny same thing selling certificates just same stupid dealing with different different types of people always some idiot well I went from the pen back down to jessup the medium which was jessup Georgia and um the jesop was supposed to be I don't know if you ever heard about them they're supposed to be sweet yeah jesop I mean I mean everybody wanted to go to Jessup. It went from sweet to sour. It was

it was basically Coleman without all the theft. They only have about it's a light medium. It only has about like 600 people on the compound for the medium and so it's kind of like the chow hall is ridiculously

small and it was it was kind of sweet but I when I think about it I had absolutely no problem with anybody there at all. I mean, none. There was no...

Now, I've seen fights that I thought was hilarious. I mean, there, the inmates and the officers did a lot of fighting, you know, which I thought... Which I thought was hilarious. Because the one fight, I think I was there about a week,

and there was a fight in the unit, which I thought was... Let me just tell you about it real quick, because it was funny. So, these two guys... are arguing about the television right I guess he's changing it and and so one's an old guy one's kind of a younger guy so the old guy's like stop changing the TV you know and he's like no I'm gonna watch this I just want to see this end of this show now stop changing the TV so the old

guy swings at him and misses and the young guy gives him like a two piece pop pop up up and lights him up pretty good like in the eye so the old guy wigs out you know he gets composed himself and he goes to his room and he comes out with a knife and he says I'm going to stab you right so the young guy like oh so he's walking around the unit

so like the old guy's following you following him they're going around he goes like look he goes before I go to bed tonight I'm going to stab you so the young guy is so they're walking around the unit so the whole unit is watching as this slow pursuit

it's not really a slow pursuit but it's probably a speedwalking pursuit about five times around the unit I guess the young guy gets tired he tries to stop and put the chair in the way and everybody's like no no no go go go so the whole time you have to know this officer

it's a ball-headed kind of like a real kind of cop type of officer he was a weird dude the CEO he's in the office with the lights off because he's asleep the office door is open right so the young guy after three laps around the unit

he goes to the officers he goes into the office where the officer is right and he tries to close the door so as the young guy is the old guy's chasing him that's what I thought was hilarious because as he's trying to close the office door that was the fastest I saw the old guy move that's when he you know he's going from a steady and he gets in the office and they're fighting inside the officer's office. So the officer's up and he's spraying him and he's going, stop!

Stop! He sprays them. Lights up the whole dorm. But the old guy ended up stabbing him. But they took him both out. He still got him? He still sat. But listen, the young guy beat him.

Both his eyes were shut. But the old guy still stabbed him. him. In that institution, inmates fighting CO, probably about 13 incidents. It's unbelievable. Like, we didn't fight each other too much. It was the inmates fighting the COs. I have, I got to tell you, only because you mentioned the officer.

So there's this old, an old man off. There was an old guy that was actually my celly at one point. His name was Frank Smith. I used to tell him this, you know, that's not a lot of, you know, that's Sounds like a made-up name. So Frank Smith was old. He was probably 66, 67 years old. He was a sex offender.

So he, there was an older officer, too, who's probably in his late 60s, 64, 65. And it turns out that officer had moved from prison to prison to prison because of complaints from inmates that he was harassing them, like sexually harassing. passing him. So the officer, one day Frank's walking by. Frank was in decent shape. He was in good shape. He had a white haircut or white flat top, you know, and he was walking by and the officer goes, hey, hey, mate, come here. What's your name? And he goes, Smith. And he goes, how long you've been here. He goes, and this guy just got in there maybe a few months. He'd been, the officer had been here maybe three or six months. And he goes, he goes, uh, been here about four years, four years. He goes, maybe five years. And he goes, huh, you work out? And he goes,

yeah, I work out. I work out. You know, he's had a bad back. Sometimes I don't work out. But yeah, he said, yeah, he looks like you're in pretty good shape. You work out when you're younger too. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. I did. And he's, well, what do you do? He starts I go in the rec yard, I walk, and I also do, I do dips, and I do this. So I was talking to him, and he's like, and Frank said, I mean, I don't talk to the officer. Like, he doesn't talk to the officer, but the guy called him in. What am I going to do? And it's a low, you know, and he's like, huh, so how much time you got?

Oh, I got this much time. And he's like, about 10 more years. And he's like, you know, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he goes, and he's looking me up and down. Like checking me out. And he says, you know, Frank?

He said, you're locked up. A man has sex with another man. He said, you've been locked up. That doesn't make him gay. And he goes, and Frank goes, yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. It does. And so, by the way, so when I hear this whole story being dragged out, being told,

Pete, my buddy Pete and I are sitting. at an area called Stonehenge where we called it Stonehenge. They had these round things with all these benches and in the middle they had these concrete tables like this but you had four and they're bolted everything's concrete and so we're sitting there talking

and Frank comes walking over and finds me. This is the middle of night this is like six or seven o'clock at night. Comes walking over and he goes hey he said you're not going to believe what just happened and I go what and so he tells us that whole story and as we're talking he was can you believe that?

I go, what else happened? He said, oh, I mean, he told me that. I said, yeah, it does. And he goes, no, it doesn't, doesn't. He said, I mean, you've been locked up a long time. I mean, you know, I'm just saying things happen. You shouldn't, you shouldn't feel bad about that. He goes, I don't feel bad about anything.

He goes, look, I feel weird about this whole conversation at this point. And now, keep in mind, Frank was meticulously, like he was well groomed. Frank's clothes were all, Frank had a lot of money. Frank in his, in his commissary account, had over $100,000,000. by the way you're allowed to have that much oh no he he's it got really high i mean keep mind frank had a lot of money um frank sent me money when i got out that's right frank sent me money you told me that you okay two thousand you no no not him no he didn't send me that he sent me like six or eight hundred bucks something like that no inmates in general sent me a

couple thousand just inmates in general where it's like they would walk across the compound when they'd see my buddy p they go how's math doing and people like oh he's good he's doing this he's doing that. And so when I was setting up my website, Pete said, when I, Pete would call and he said, what are you doing? I said, ah, you know, is the website going up? I said, I can't, Peter, I don't, I can't, I can't, I was still in the halfway house. I'm in the halfway house.

I can't do a website. He's like, why? I said, because I don't have a computer. I don't have a, you know, I started explaining all the problems. He goes, what do you need? And I went, well, I don't know, I need a computer. I need an, an iPhone. I need to buy Final Cut Pro.

I need, you know, these are things I need. I need Photoshop. I mean, these, and he's like, what does it cost? I said, it's like a couple grand for me to even get to the point where I can put together a website. And he goes, it's just because I don't, you know, people are like, oh, you could put it up. Not if you don't have a computer. People don't understand that. They're like, you should do this, you should do.

How? They don't understand. I'm in the halfway house. Like, I've got an $80 phone that has a virus constantly. I can barely use it to call. I can't download apps. It constantly has viruses. So, you know, I'm like, I need an iPhone.

I need this. I need that. So I start going through the whole thing of all the things that I need. And Pete goes, okay, I'm going to get you the money. And I was like, how's that? And he goes, I've been walking across the compound. Everybody stops me and asks me, how are you doing? How are you doing it?

This happens four or five times a day. He goes, from now on, when they stop me, I'm going to say, you know what he needs? He needs a computer. He says, he needs an apple. He can buy a use one. It costs this much money. He needs one. Right.

Did I tell you, I ended up getting two apples? Phones or computers. No, two computers. Frank gave me $6 or $700, I think $6 or $800. I'm not sure exactly what. Frank gave me that for an iPhone, my first iPhone. Like, I mean, these guys literally are a buddy of mine's mother mailed me his old one. Well, what was it they were pointing on you doing?

Well, they just wanted me to set up my website. I have a website called Inside True Crime. They just, look, you know me, we're friends. There's 15 or 20 or 30 guys, but everybody in general knew who I was. They're all reading my stories. My stories are being passed from inmate to inmate inmate. And all of them are like, what are you going to do when you get out? I'm going to try and get these things turned into documentaries, films.

I'm going to spend the next five or ten years pushing to get these stories made. That's what I'm going to do. And so what happens is by that point I'd come out in the Atlantic magazine. I like guys, they believe in me. They want to see it happen. All right. So that's what the... Right.

You know how many inmates get out and they don't do anything. Yes. I'm going to do this and this and this and this. Next thing you know, they're working at FedEx. They've got a chick with two kids. and that's it that's it what about the end

of your story about the officer so he comes to so Frank's telling us the story right and he's like yeah he this

he that he this and I'm like okay I'm like so what did you do he's like what do I I left then I went

oh Donovan Davis was there too Donovan goes I mean Frank that's it's an opportunity and he goes what

what do you mean Frank's he's an old crotchety fucker too he's like what what does that mean and I went I said, I mean, Frank, you're not allowed to have. I said, the guys, he's gay.

The guy's a homosexualist. You know, they've transferred him from another prison. And somebody else, Donovan's like, I heard he had been transferred for a few times. He's a problem. He's like, he's like the priests. They move him around. You've had 15 parishes in 10 years. You're a problem.

So that's what they're doing with this CO. And I go, he's probably, I go, he's hitting on you. I know he was hitting on me. I said, right. So? And he goes, so what? I said, so you got 10 years? left, bro. What does that mean? I go, it means you might have to take one for the fucking

team. I mean, you know, he's like, and I said, I mean, look. And, and Donovan goes, Donovan says, Donovan says, he says, listen, at least give him a fucking reach around, you know. He goes, give him reach around. He said, you know, I mean, what's the big deal? He goes, are you out of your sign? He goes, what's the big deal? And Pete says, save the sample. And I go, I said, bro, I said, He's not on your shirt I said I go Winski him I said bro

I said you got 10 years That's a sex I said that's that's rape And he's like you sick fuckers And we're like we're laughing I go I'm telling you I said Save the sample

I said I said and Donovan's like Don't swallow He said fuck you Donovan He's like Save the sample Sit it on your dress On your shirt

I'm like look you You come it You leave You go to I said you Listen, what? I said, I'll write a letter to the fucking times. We'll get an article made.

I'll get you the publicity. We'll get you out, Frank. Fuck you. I'll do the time. You fucking asshole, motherfucker. Listen, that officer talked to him a lot. He was constantly. He got comfortable with him.

He was constantly. Yeah. Well, the first time he talked to him when he suggested it, because nothing happened to the officer, he got boldened. So now he's really talking to Frank. Can you fucking you imagine? I mean, we were, and Frank would, the guy would stop him and save you, and Frank would say to you, yeah, what's up, and then walk off and I'd look at Frank, I'd go, and Frank, we'd like, fuck you. I ain't trying to get nothing. So funny.

All right, can we close this one? Yeah, yeah. Because my phone's going nuts. Oh, I'm sorry. How long have you been? Wrap it? Wrap it up? You want to wrap it?

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