Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - My Cohost Was Just Released From Prison! | Inmate Stories

Episode Date: June 18, 2023

My Cohost Was Just Released From Prison! | Inmate Stories

So I'm in a pod at the Falkenberg Road Jail, and I'm one of the orderlies. There's four orderlies. So it's three of them are murderers and me. Zach, my man, Zach, what's up, me? We all go come up, though, man. You know what I'm saying? He's laughing. He knocked his tooth out, like Mike.

What happened to your tooth? Hey, I knocked it out, hit myself against the bedpost. And you're like, oh. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that didn't make it in there. You imagine the jury was up there. And I'd be, every time they'd say something, I'd look at the jury like, Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Isaac Allen, or as you know him as Zach. And we're going to be talking about basically his case, what happened, why he went to jail,

and getting out of jail starting his whole basically life over again. We're also going to talk about some of the insane characters that he met while incarcerated. And I appreciate you guys watching. So check this out.

So I understand you were at the... Acosted? In the trenches. Yes. This is my Vietnam. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. Back, unfortunately back in the trenches a couple of bad decisions led to my arrest and so um went to jail well got accused went to jail what we charged with uh theft and and and checks and fraud and forgery that's so unlike you definitely not even up my alley you know so um end up going to jail although this was kind of a misunderstanding i ended up going to jail under I turned myself in because I was, you know, had the privilege of having a detective not notified me ahead of time.

So I work with my probation officer turned myself in knowing that I was facing a violation of my supervised release. Right. So you are currently on federal supervised release. Correct. And the state was investigating you. Right. So, you know, because people are always like, oh, this and that, you know, okay, well,

there's state and there's federal. So it was a federal charge. that was that you knew was going to violate your probation and you could end up going back to prison yeah what like what people don't realize the people don't realize is that you can be on federal probation get in trouble for something in the state and then the state can even drop the charges like yeah you know what it's a misunderstanding no big deal and they let you out and the feds go yeah i just think there wasn't enough to convict him so we're going to send him to jail for two years you know then suddenly it's like it's like what just happened like how did i the

drop the charges. Why am I now in federal prison? Well, because you violated your federal probation and you go, yeah, but they dropped the charges. They go, yeah, we don't see it like that. And that's the difference between having your full rights and not have... Your full freedom and

or being on some type of supervision. Right. People don't realize, well, they don't have the right to do it. No, no, they do have the right. You're not... Oh, they have the right to come in your house and dictate where, how, and when you live or where, you know, I'm saying it's just it's right it's it can be frustrating it's it's difficult you know but

this time I'm turning my life around I'm not really wanting to deal with that and and I kind of got lucky in the sense where as I said it was a misunderstanding so going in there I was preparing myself to take this all the way to trial to show my innocence right in in hopes of not having to deal with the consequences for the supervised release right so I go like so once I'm in there six months. I figured it would take six months to come to fruition, which is normal. But of course, you get a public defender. And, you know, the public defender extended or waived my right to speedy trial. So I ended up being in there for 13 months right here in the Tampa in the Hillsborough County Jail. Right. Fighting my case. So we're going back and forth. They're making

offers, great offers, by the way. Like, hey, time serve, probation, you know, one year probation, you know, Time served. But you can't take that because you'll get right out on. They go, yeah, time served. And they let you out. And immediately your probation get for your federal probation gets violated. And you go in front of the federal judge and the judge goes, you 24 months. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Well, now I'm sitting in your federal prison for 24 months. Right. And that's what was weird because if I beat the charge, I'm only looking at a technical violation. And I only look at between eight and 14 months. If I were to took the felony, then I'm looking at. 20, it was 24, 23 to 27 months. So I'm looking at two years.

So the whole time I'm thinking, it doesn't matter what you guys give me in any playoffer, you know, I'm going to end up going to prison for two years if I take anything. Right. So we kind of went back and forth debating the, what charges

and what I would take. And I said, nah, I'm just going to go ahead and take it to trial. You know, I think this is a kind of a misunderstanding. And, you know, I didn't, I did this with consent. And so what happened was as soon as we get to the trial date, they end up making me an offer that I can't refuse.

Which is like, so the day of trial or the week of trial, they made me an offer because I'm like, I'm going to go to trial, beat it, and end up with nothing. But the day of trial, they come up with an offer like, listen, we're going to drop all the charges, give you a misdemeanor, and 30 days in jail time served. we're going to withhold adjudication on the misdemeanor

so it won't even go on your record I'm like are you kidding me right they're like no we're not right you're going to get that if you've gone and won it would have been almost the same thing it's really a basic saying you're not going to get a charge right I'm like run it

so I took the misdemeanor which only gave me a technical violation on my supervised release for the feds end up going to the feds and getting that technical violation, getting a year in jail, credit for all the time that I had been in jail. And so pop me right back out after 14 months of being away from all of your fans. Right back to your sister's spare room.

Yes. Yeah. Lost my vehicle because they sold it, obviously. We'll actually use it as a trade-in. So I had to like try to raise the money to get a $500 clunk. in 1998 Ford Escort. It's sweet. It is sweet.

It's in the park. It's dripping oil in my driveway right now. That's the beautiful thing of it. It's actually transmission fluid. So it's more important. So, uh, um, my God,

my poor, my landlord. Um, did I tell you that my, did I think my landlord? I'm sorry. I don't know. Have I ever mentioned this?

That so my landlord one day sent me a text that I said, um, I just saw you on a commercial. And I thought, uh, this poor guy. Like, I'm the person you don't want living in your house. Like he had to be like, is this guy living in my house? What did he do? Oh, hell no. Like it's not like he, he, it's not like regular bank fraud.

It's like this is somebody you don't want around your property. He lives in my property. I might have a million dollars in mortgages on my property right now. Right. I might not know it. So anyway, yeah, he said that I was like, oh, man. And I was just about to be like, hey, can you, can you renew our lease? Well, how did you get out of that?

No, he did. He did renew it? Yeah, he has a sense of humor. But, I mean, you know, we'd never talked about it. Like, we'd never, there'd never been any discussion on the, on the subject. So it was funny. But you, I was going to say, you had a similar type of thing when you started going. Well, and the problem is like having bad choices all your life at some point ends up biting you in the behind.

And it does when you're in your 50s and you're trying to get a regular job. So the whole time I'm in jail, I'm telling myself, hey, I get out, I'll go get a job at a dollar general, dollar tree, you know, some place where they'll hire anybody. Yeah, that's right. They'll hire anybody off the street. As long as you're breathing, they'll give you a job. So I go there and interview the storeman. manager loves me. He's like you're hired. They do a little quick background check. So I tell him, I say, um, so I got a little fraud in my background. And he's like, eh, it doesn't bother

me. Yeah. He goes, it doesn't bother me. But as long as corporate says, I can hire you, I'm going to hire you. Everybody's got some fraud. There you go. Colby's got some fraud. No, he doesn't. Not in his back. He's, in his, he's, he's four, you look at his future, not his background. Colby's never, Colby's never, probably never got a traffic. Have you ever got a traffic ticket? One time. You're like, they converted you that quick. So, so I go to Dollar General apply. He runs my background check.

And it actually comes back partially. It only comes back with a crime that I committed back when I was in, living in Texas. Right. And so it came up that it was. it was a theft back then and it came up with a another crime I committed in hills in hillsborough county back in um 2001 those are the only two crimes that came up and they were theft and they still wouldn't hire me dollar general is kind of like okay so yeah we hire felons but just not your type of felon you know we're looking for people would and it was that old it was that old and they

still said no and they still said no Dollar General. Dollar General. Who would have thought? I mean, I haven't been in a Dollar General and didn't think I was, was not being dealt with by a felon. There's not one time I haven't been in there going, this guy has definitely got felony. Think about all the times you went into Dollar General.

With coupons. And thought you're yourself, I'm better than this. But you're not. You're not. I absolutely am not. That's what's true. This is proof you have a letter that says it. I have, I have proof that I'm not Dollar General worthy.

I'm worth less than Dollar General. So What was Was that the only I'll take one Can I hear Give me Can we have one?

Is it or peppermint? Peanut butter or peppermint? No, I don't want a cookie You don't want a cookie? No, I'm kind of full. I eat like a pig The Girl Scouts are out there Wondering about

Are they? I'm good, I'm good, thank you. I know, it's good And those are the good ones. Those are the good ones. Okay. So, and so so then did you

to then what you just gave up went straight back to fraud no no okay no i'm not going back to fraud all right so at that point i had tried um dollar general i also applied at lows and i and i applied at home depot all of those three companies by chance used the same background checking company called first advantage or something and first advantage i think he denied me for dollar General just basically told the other companies like, hey, this guy's a piece of shit, like right off the back. So I was denied from all those spots. I was going to go try and apply at Walmart and they gave me a first advantage form to fill out.

And I'm just like, uh, never mind. No, thank you. I want to catch that spots. That's right. Yeah. That's not going to work. I applied for a job at the spectrum cable. So all the jobs I interviewed for, I was hired.

The people interviewed me, say, we love you, we want you to come on board, but we have this little background check thing. And that's what's been to block. Every background check basically gets them to call and say, don't ever come on our property again, please. But what about what about I've done my time? You've served your time. That's only for match.com. So listen, that doesn't apply to any and most jobs in Florida. And Florida allows them to go back as far as they.

want to. Other states have like New York, California, some of those liberal states have limitations on how much you're going to hold against them. Florida's kind of like, hey, whatever they did, make them deal with it. So that's what I've been dealing with. So it's been kind of hard to get employment. You know, I've been living off family and friends, you know, and associates, you know, just to get by. I finally got lucky and landed a job just basically emailing out retainers for people who, are in class action lawsuits so what I do is I kind of call people who've mentioned something about like round up or or different products or class action suits that are going on and I ask them you know if they're interested in going ahead and retaining this attorney if they are then I send them or an email them a retainer form help them fill it out online do that docu sign right and once they do it they they get it so I've kind of got a work from home job that started off that actually didn't want a background check because I'm only dealing with emails and certain people so it's going it's going pretty good I'm starting off I'm you know I'm still kind of struggling you know because obviously I start

off in a hole because I get out I've lost everything I got to get clothing you know I've got to finish paying off this little inexpensive car I have car insurance cell phone and all those other normal bills but you know it's my goal to kind of get back maybe start my own channel talking a little bit about some of the people I've met in all of my wayward journeys in life because I've met some characters especially this time around in jail people who aren't quite as famous with their crimes as some people who I've been on their podcast but I was going to say there's the one guy that what that you told me about earlier about um the guy he was all over tamp all over the news the guy who killed his girlfriend yes and he's just gotten out for trying to kill his previous

girlfriend? Yes. Is that the same guy? That's the same guy. Well, yeah. Well, murder is popular, I guess. Everybody's doing it. Yes.

I've met a lot of people who have, but I don't know. He's famous. I think he's more famous for the publicity they gave the crime more than what he did. You know what I'm saying? It was a jealous boyfriend and a fit of rage. but like I can't wait to even tell you about this guy but that was

but not it would be one thing if it was it was a fit of rage it'd never happen before there was he'd never broken the law it was she was driving him nuts and in a fit of rage

he you know whatever he chopped her head off because that happens I can't tell you how many times you think about it if I had a butcher knife but but he'd just gotten out of prison

for trying to He stabbed this previous, yes. He, so being in jail with him, he did display some of those tendencies of... Cutting off the other inmate's heads? No, he was kind of the Mr. Rogers type of killer. You know, like he was the type of person that... He's such a quiet neighbor. Yeah, and very, very agreeable, very agreeable even in disagreements.

You know, like you might come to him. him and say, you know, a, hey, a, bud, you know, do me a favor. What was his name? His name was Matthew Terry. Nice. Matthew Terry, he's all over. You could play like a clip, like if you popped in a clip because he's all over the news. All over the news right now.

Matthew Terry. I mean, well, well, he already went to trial and lost, right? He went to trial and lost. He was facing the death. What was unique about him is DeSantis replaced the, Hillsborough County. Because they wouldn't put the death penalty on them. And she was put in the place at 12 midnight on a day.

And by 4 in the morning, she had changed his case from not seeking the death penalty to seeking the death penalty. Like as if that was part of the agreement? The agreement to put her in place. I've been bitching and moaning about why aren't you charging this guy with the death penalty. And then I finally, and you say, well, I don't believe in it. I disagree. I disagree.

So boom, you get walked. The next person comes in and fucking does it. And does it, like in the middle of the night. So, yeah. Maybe. Might have been something going on there. It's something. Questionable.

Yeah. Something there. But like I said, he displayed tendencies of control, like having a, being a control freak. And as I was about to say, he's very disagreeable in a disagreement. So if you had a disagreement with him, like, Like, hey, you know, he slept on the bunk, because you know, they got the bunk beds, bottom and top. And it's like, hey, you're leaving your shoes right here where I get up, you know, and I'm asking if you can move your shoes somewhere. So I already asked you to move your shoes somewhere.

And he goes, you know what? You did do that. And I can appreciate, you know, I can respect your wishes to all this. But where else do you think I'm going to keep my shoe? He just kind of had this aura of like, oh, I definitely understand how you feel. but I'm not going to do it right like he was very cordial

and polite and you could just you could sense the rage inside of him yes the other side matter of fact what was funny about him is when I was in the unit with him we were both

on porters which is like trustees where we cleaned up like an orderly like an orderly yeah where we cleaned up for other inmates we used to prepare their food where we'd heat it up in an oven and then we would feed them

like give the trays and stuff out. Right. And he got into multiple, multiple arguments with people about like where they would throw their dirty clothes. Like if you threw some dirty clothes to a bin and you didn't make it,

some people would just throw it and say, hey, it's close and walk off. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. That didn't make it in there. Very on edge, guy. Like I was telling you,

it's like I didn't think it was a death penalty for complaining about the chicken that they served you at the in the line you'd be like hey man when I get this little piece of chicken I'll be in your cell later tonight we'll talk about it's right like you'll be amazed at what that bone chicken bone can do I got to put your knife out of the fucking kitchen

got something for you oh yes yes he was he was quite he was quite politely intense I mean like smiling and you can just see the fire behind his eyes whenever he stared at you it was sick me it was scary so what happened with the court case

so in his in his court case like he would go to court come back that day would he go to court and come back that day yes yes well yeah he would when he was going to trial first of all he was embarrassed about being on the news every day and and he went to the officers and begged them to not put it on fox fox news that had him all over the television they don't care they didn't well sometimes they did they would change it you know because he didn't want he was he was a he was deathly afraid of someone jumping on his case oh okay Like, that was his number one phobia. He would never discuss his case.

Like, if I asked him, I said, hey, aren't you going to trial Monday? He'd be like, why? Never mind. What'd you hear? Crazy. That's right. Would you hear? Yeah.

Sorry, sorry, I asked. I apologize. So he wouldn't even tell you if he's been to the bathroom, he's scared you to jump on his case. Did you pee? That's none of your business. Good we've been talking to. That's right.

Did they contact you? Did they contact you? I just want to know Somebody didn't flush the toilet I'm just asking But anyway So yeah he was So what happened with his trial

Is he was found guilty Because they brought in his ex Actually I thought it was because he cut the chick's head off Well that probably had a lot to do with it And they had video of him leaving the scene And wiping the knife off Really?

Really his theory was there was the one-armed. The one-armed man did it. Yes, really his theory was somebody else did it. You know what's funny? I'll bet you that Colby doesn't know about the one-armed man. See? No clue. Listen, I get this all the time.

I'll use some pop culture reference from, you know, 100 years ago. And it's 50. Colby or Connor will be like, I just see the blank look on their face. And I'm like, do you know what I'm talking there? Like, no. You don't know, you don't know who the one-armed man is? See? But he's also, oh, wait, 38.

Just turn 38. Just turn 38. So he's closer. Do you know what Wesley Snipes is? Wesley Snipes? Yes. I would guess it's a rapper. Oh!

That explains everything. I guess I'm going to guess he's a rapper. He's a porn star. But, oh, let me. Wesley. snipes. Did you ever see Blade? The movie's Blade? Holy Jesus. You're like, he's like 26, 27 years old, right? Is that the actor? Yes, the actor. Yeah, 28. 28. Wow. At 8, at 28, we're already. You have not. Dinosaurus. Blade was, makes me think it's a black guy on a motorcycle

and what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a, he was a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a vampire lately. Well, he hasn't been anything lately. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, he's not, he got out though he got out but he hasn't been in any movie since he's been out you think it's because they're running that background Jack anyway so okay so here's what I don't know how Wesley Snipes came up but well because he

was the last what was it the fugitive? In the fugitive yeah and that's where the one arm man was yeah but the first fugitive the first fugitive it was the one on man because in the first fugitive was with Harrison Ford was a remake of a TV show

but it was basically is a doctor. He comes home. His wife has been attacked by a man and stabbed to death. And he wrestles with the man. And in the course of wrestling with him, he realizes that he's only got one arm. He had a prosthetic arm. So the whole time during his trial, he's screaming at his lawyer like, find the one-armed man. He's like, I didn't do this. You have to find the one-armed man. And so the big thing is throughout the whole movie, they're looking for the one-armed man. And so whenever people say, like, well, who did it? The one-arm man?

man did it because it's this person that doesn't nobody believes he exists but in the end you find out he does exist and he was the one that actually killed the wife yeah right so he was screaming the one arm one arm man there was a burglar that came in exact fugitive defense he gave the exact fugitive defense i wrestled with this man i thought with this man and if you find this man if you ask me i was there with him for seven months if you ask me i i believe that in his mind he cooked that up. I believe that he probably went over every paperwork and realized

that he could make that story and make that story fit. Of course he lost. I was going to say, but the jury did not believe that. Well, it's simply because he did the same thing to the, the first girl, so he had a

girlfriend at first up in Michigan where he lived and he stabbed her in a drunken rage of accusing her of sleeping with somebody else. And she managed to She only got away because the neighbors intervened. He built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million because $50 million wasn't enough and $60 million seemed excessive.

He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Cox's Patreon. Okay. You know, because they come banging on the door as he's, he's got her pinned and stabbed. And the neighbors are banging on the door, and so he leaves.

So that's the only reason why she survived. But this one didn't, and he's running out of the house. They got him running out with blood saying he's chasing him, chasing the one-armed man or the person that broke in the house and cut up his girlfriend. And same story That he came home And yeah The identical to the fugitive

But what's so funny is Being there with him It's if you met him It's absolutely obvious That he has that capability It is the most obvious thing In the world Despite what's shown on television

The previews of him Looking innocent and He's like Yeah Can you believe that? Never. You see him? Like,

you imagine the jury was up there and I feel every time they'd say something, I'd look at the jury like, listen, the biggest, the biggest cop. He was the biggest cop kiss up ever. Ever. I mean, like when the police came around, he used to dismiss, he would dismiss me as,

listen, I'll do the talking in front of the police. You don't have, we're working together, right? Right. So the police like, okay, happened to such and such. I go, well, listen, okay, exactly what happened with Mr. Jones came over this way, approached Mr. Allen, asked Mr. Allen, like, what happened to his tray. Mr. Allen answered. And I like, I can't even say a word. I go, well, uh, uh, uh, Mr. Allen answered him letting him know, it's like, wow. Super controlling. Super controlling. Super controlling. Even answers for me. So unique, unique guy. You wouldn't your celly, though. Yes. Oh, he, no, he was your sally. He slept right above me.

Oh, I thought you were just using that as an example. No. Did he ever move the shoes? No. But you're still here. Yeah. I was submissive. Unlike that ex-girlfriend.

I took every spork I found under his mattress. You're not getting me with a spork, buddy. Wow. So who else? Who else you meet? Wait, wait, wait. After he lost. Oh, they take him away because he,

if you're found for murder or if you get life or an extensive amount of time, they put you in lockdown because they think you might kill yourself. You can't have that. No, you can't. You can't have a killer killing himself. I mean, justice wouldn't feel like it was meted out. Even though they wanted to kill him, they wouldn't allow him to do it to himself. They feel like they were cheated.

So, um, people think he's funny. See, Colby's laughing. anyway so so well who else you mean what else what else what else happened all right so all right so i guess we'll do let's do the serious people first and then we'll do the non life threatening people so then we have so i'm in a pod at the falkenberg road jail and i'm one of the orderlies there's four orderlies so it's three of them are murderers and me so this is very so clean up and taking care of business is very serious like are you going to switch week your section. Do you laugh around and joke with these guys? Of course. What do they do?

Listen, but they make jokes like, well, Mr. Allen here is the only one with the possibility of getting out. Stop. You guys. Come on. Yeah. Please. Come on. You know I'm going to put money on your book. Of course. Yeah. You promise? Yes, put it down. But the, put the weapon down. Yes. So what, who was the other guy? All right. Tyrone Johnson. All right. Black guy? Black guy.

How did you know that? How did he know that? Anyway, Tyrone Johnson killed his girlfriend and her son. Wow. In the apartment. So. Why, because if it had been on the beach, it would have been more romantic? Why in the apartment?

I didn't ask him. I didn't ask him. Ask him. That was a little. Okay. So, um, he's, he stabbed. No, I think he shot them. You never, you never fucked with these guys?

Like, come on. Tyrone. Honest, it's just me and you. Oh my. Listen. Listen. Listen. Tyrone was the biggest zealot of religion.

I hate those guys. Fake. The biggest fake zealot of religion that I've ever met in my life. Ever met those, uh, what are the Christian for the stay or whatever? They walk in and grab the book and start. Hypocrite. all the way, complained about everybody else having a problem. And then when they left, when they leave, they would drop the, they pick it up when they

walk in the door and they drop it at they're walking out. The biggest religious fake zealot ever I've met in my life with all kind of emotional issues. So is he, he's going to get out? No, he. So you can talk like this. Okay. Because if he's getting out, you better be more polite.

Never mind everything I've just said. But what do you mean? Hold on. He won his appeal. He wasn't a bad guy. I knew he was innocent. That's right. He didn't kill them.

So his accusation is of shooting his girlfriend and then looking for her son and shooting him underneath the bed as he hid there. I think he think he was 11. Dushbag. Yes. Okay. His reason for doing that is apparently his son, this was his girlfriend. And that wasn't his boy that he killed her. But his real son committed suicide.

Tyrone was in the military, by the way. I forgot to mention that. Okay. His real son committed suicide. And I guess he was watching a show. And his girl wanted him to take her somewhere. I wanted to go somewhere. And he said no.

And she goes, that's why your son is a bitch and end up killing himself. You know, and then at that. That's why he said, she said. Of course, yes. Okay. and well they have video of him crying in the police and crying is something he does quite frequently he's a he's a crier yes he'll break down every every so often it's like tie tie tie tie all right you can have my piece of chicken just ease up guy he's up so so he's emotionally unstable

yes so apparently his girl said that to him and he snapped and shot her which you know I guess they would have probably been understanding, but really I think he got the death penalty for killing the boy. He claimed that the girl had the gun and he wrestled it and shot her or she shot him. She shot the boy. During the struggle, the gun went off. And he shot the boy and end up shooting her

because she got more into the struggle. That's what they said. But the proof was that he shot the boy under the bed and then drug him out from under the. a bit. I'm assuming that ballistics doesn't bode well for his version. No,

it did not. And he ended up getting the death penalty. So, um, yeah. But, um, the whole time,

he's there and with me. Now he is, it's amazing that the group got along. Like we, we got along. We were complimented as being a very thorough, um,

unit of, click of orderlies the bathroom was immaculate showers were clean you know nobody really complained much about things that didn't get done no i'll bet it's like hey hey you guys didn't take out the garbage you have a meticulous fraudster who's very very cleanly and you have the other guys keeping everybody quiet about it yeah if you want the garbage taking out you take it was a four-star review every time every time they said we were great we buffed and waxed the floors we were Very meticulate as a, as a group. So the third murderer.

I feel like this is going to get demonetized. And I feel like we haven't done it. It said anything wrong. But go ahead. Really? You think so? It may get limited monetization. Just because you keep saying, we keep saying murderer.

Like that's the kind of stupid. The algorithm just says it. They'll just be like, this guy said this, this. Yeah, no, no. But then you have to ask them to do a manual or a. Is it manual review? Yeah, manual review. I'm not painting them in a good light.

Yeah, you're thinking that there's a logic to YouTube. So they may or may not. It's automated. So what happened with this other guy? What happened with the other? Jason serial killer. Jason Funk? Yeah.

Funk. Yes. That's right. Yeah. Jason Funk stabbed someone. I think it was 26 times. It was a business partner of him. Because 25 didn't seem like enough.

And 27. seemed excessive. Oh my God. I mean, at what point during the stabbing do you start thinking, this is crazy. What am I doing?

I mean, he's long gone. He's gone. I got this blood all over the walls. This is the major cleanup. So let me tell you something funny about him. He wouldn't, so he was back on appeal from the Florida prison. I think he did this 1990,

2005, I think it was. Okay. That he committed his crime. He was back on appeal. So he was part of the click also helping out. So your first meeting of him, you would swear he was a flaming homosexual. Okay.

I mean, but he's not, yes. Hey. He does that. He's been up the road and he is a, I'm not going to think of the name, kind of a grand master. of the Florida State prisons R-DAP philosophy. Okay. So he spits out

all of those R-DAP terms. Oh, you're awfulizing. Oh, Isaac. My God. But he's flings. You're awfulizing. You're taking this as your own. Flaming, like Richard Simmons.

Right. In county jail. But he's in prison. For a murder? For a murder. Okay. So like, so figuring him out was like,

my main thing because I'm going you're super syrupy so if you're up the road with nothing but men and you have life you had to have crossed over you know like I was just go ahead sorry

no seriously like and I wanted to figure out if he so in my mind like I wonder if he went in if they exposed them or what the secret well he would never admit it like trying to get the information out like well you know like did you have a boyfriend up there

you just look at you and keep going he would never admit it he would never deny it super syrupy there for murder but is a huge Ardap let's just call it Ardaq because I forgot what the Florida

program is right right so similar to the federal residential drug treatment yes so he he used to spend his time teaching me the Florida Ardap giving me all the terms telling me that I was like, so did he go through it once or was he like, did he work in the program? He worked in the program. He was at the institution that everybody

in Florida wants to go to for the program because it's a soft-ass institution. Okay. And hung around, of course, you know, nothing but black people in prison. So yes, he did. So was he a white guy? Yes. Okay. Do you remember the guy that was in Coleman? that was there at the medium for for a tax remember tax fraud not tax for the he was a sovereign citizen yes and he was he's worse than him um what was his name because he had to check in every yeah he had to check in listen to this this guy had been at the low he'd become a sovereign citizen he actually had gotten himself registered as a corporation and then managed to get a judge to write a letter saying that the Bureau of Prisons had no jurisdiction over his corporation. So it had his name. So it said, it was a letter from a federal judge that said that said that the Bureau of Prisons has no jurisdiction over, and let's say his name is Matthew Cox, Incorporated.

So it has his name. And so he went, packed up all of his stuff, goes. He's laughing. This was a, he's at the low, goes to the warden's office. He was at the medium. No, no, he was, this was when he was at the ward. This was, this is how he got to the meeting. That's right.

So he went, went to, in front of the warden, stands there and waits in front of the warden's office. Finally, the lieutenant comes along and goes, what are you doing? He's, I'm waiting to be released. They go, well, have you been called the R&D? He goes, no, but I have a federal judge saying you don't have jurisdiction over me. He read the letter and he goes, okay, okay, hold on, let me get the warden. goes to get to ward and warden comes back reads the letter and goes all right all right i understand are you a sovereign citizen and he goes yes i am she goes well i know what to do about this

grab him handcuff him take him in the shoe he sits in the shoe for six months and then they send him to the medium and now he's in the medium where he never should have been he wouldn't prepare for the medium and every two hours he had to check in with a guard he had to go up and show them because they charged him with an escape. So now you were already at the low, miserable. Now you're at the medium. More miserable. More miserable.

I remember his name. God, he was flaming. Flaming. No, he wasn't flaming. Not like this guy? Oh, what? I remember one time you told me that he was on the top tier watching a guy take a shower. Because the showers were all exposed.

in the medium, right? Because you can't let those guys, you have to be exposed out there because you couldn't have a separate private facility because you'd probably get raped. There probably could be rapes there. So your showers were basically right out in front of everybody.

You have a door, but from the top tier, you could look down on them and see guys in the shower. Like the door was so far away that you'd have to be staying there naked. And you said, you go, bro, this fucking guy was sitting up on the thing, staring at this guy.

like well I mean he's he's gay and you go still I just thought he was above that you're like and he was that's how he saw but look so no he wasn't flaming I you could just tell by his demeanor he was okay he was quiet Jason is flaming I'm talking singing Madonna songs hey yeah flaming this flay mignon that's what I call absolutely flaming which but nothing about him screamed murder at all okay you know

and he didn't discuss his case and I didn't learn about him until I got out and looked him up because he never he told me he had life and he probably had no chance of ever getting out he came back on an appeal

because I think they gave him an aggravated assault and the murder and they gave him life on both so what had to happen and that was excessive exactly so they just been life

plus two years plus 30 so they changed it from life double life to life plus 30 and I'll bet when the judge did it hit the gavel he said that's right yeah damn straighten that out got that right baby double life back to jail double life like I didn't have that coming that's right life was 30 okay reasonable I can do that double life forget about it come on what are you thinking I'm gonna die come back do another life to stop it I'll do 30 he'll do the 30 he'll do the 30 first it was it was concurrent so he was he was good so he'll get the 30 done and in case they bring back parole like that's ever going to happen so anyway yeah yeah said i got a chance but double life no unacceptable so that was that was his his his hope so yeah he gave no murder he was probably

the the person that chilled out he was kind of like my partner in keeping the other two calm because he was he had done enough time that he wasn't as upset as the other two were pending that he'd accepted those guys were on the on the beginning the beginning the starting point of their life sentence this guy was he he had he settled into it he had settled into it so he you know he'd get up tyrone would be in a bad mood of crying he'd rub his shoulders yeah you imagine that the all these murders the one guy's crying all the time the other guy's like it's okay he's like he's like oh rainy face no you're joking right yeah he called him no who's got a rainy face this morning I'm like where am I the other guy's yelling straighten

your shoes up all the shoes have to be pointing south that's right it's like let's not be so intense mr. Terry loosen up wow that's a set of characters Oh, my God. And we're all trustees. That's a TV show. Yes. Yes. In fact, we used to tell, I tell people that all the time.

I'm like, the trustees are all murderers. They're like, but you're not. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm glad to be alive right now. I never found the body. That's the trick. So listen, I have a question for you. Did you guys, so when I, do you remember the Marshall's holdover in Atlanta?

Yes. I've never been there. Oh, okay. Well, it's, it's, you know, I've heard about it from a lot of people. It's honestly, it's like a unit. It's like a, like a, um, like a, like a, unit at at um at coleman at the medium so if you took one of the the units that we were in like you know it's two tiers and you basically made it like four times as large no no maybe

six times as large so it's one long with and then there was a gate in the middle and a and a walkway but you know they serve obviously it's like being in the shoe they serve you through the you know you don't get out and go get your food like so did you guys have to heat up their food and give them to feed them through the tray? So this is Falkenberg. It's open bay. Okay. So it's just like the low where it's four bedrooms in a section with a wall up.

So there's 72 beds. No, there's 64 beds and then there's people sleeping on a boat in front of certain cubes. When you come in, you start off on the boat and then you make it up to a bunk. You work your way up to a bunk. The trustees, they have an area we have a washing machine because the way they work is we wash and dry the towels, the wash cloths, and the boxers, and the socks. So a unit gets a load of all those new.

We pass it out. So when they go to the shower, they have a new towel, and when they're done with it, they throw it in a bin and we wash them. So we slept in one area. We had one little cube, but we are the only ones that had double, like bunk beds. We had one bunk bed and two regular beds.

So whenever we, when the food comes in, they would come in on a cart. We were sticking in the oven. heat it up for about 20 minutes to get out of the oven get them ready and then they would line up and come and get their food

and they would eat out at tables it's open bay okay yeah guys when you said you had to heat up their food I thought what you're heating up their food and bring it to the room but no okay

I understand heat it up and then they'd line up and so we would hand the trays out you know you know of course so I want to say this about them they were very they're I don't have a nice

or the jail no I'm talking I want to say this about the three the three murderers. Okay. All three of them. We need a better, a clickier name than the three murderers.

The three musketeers. Okay. Three musketeers. Okay. Let's call us the cleaning crew. Yeah. All right. I want to say this about them.

They were snitches. Oh, they told on everybody. Oh, my God. They went to the police on everything. Boziak steals a tray. Oh, I'm just going to tell the cops. All right.

I'm like, are you serious? Yeah. The motherfucker took a truck. You're chopping people's head down. What are you doing? Now you're Mr. Morality. You stab someone 26 times.

They would actually get pissed off. Oh, this guy, he pissed all over the floor. He's shit in the bathroom. Well, I'm going to tell the police. You, you chop some chick's head off. You shot a child and you stab someone 26 times. Yes. And you're upset because Billy Bob took a tray, an extra tray?

It's not right. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, well, I would tell them. They argue in the morning if someone snuck in line twice. Oh, you've already eaten, Matt. I was to stand around going, this is unbelievable. These are murderers, and they're telling the cops on it, it's unbelievable. And when they talked about it, they talked about it as if they had some kind of higher moral code than the rest of these drug dealers and drug users.

Like, well, you know, I mean, they do that because that's how they live at the house. Oh, they don't clear up behind themselves. That's how they live at their homes. Like, but you kill at your house. So I don't say, why you're not in here killing your house. Why aren't you killing in here? I don't know. Like, if they do that, just kill them.

I don't understand what the problem is. I mean, you know, you're always a, I guess you're a big man when you've got the nice or to an 11 year old or a woman. Yes. But when you're dealing with another man, like, hey, Popo, excuse me. Come here. Can you handle this for me, please? these guys are no good so those are those are the high level people that that i guess i dealt with or met when i was there was a couple of people who i there's a lot and like i tried to narrow it

down to the ones that i thought right were hilarious so all right so we had a gentleman by the name of mike so jail unfortunately for america they lock up a lot of homeless and mentally ill people. No. Yes. So we had a lot of mentally ill. Why don't they send them to all of the insane asylums that they have all over the that don't exist?

Like back in the 70s they would they had a say like you know Colby doesn't know this what I just told Colby like they actually had in the 50s, 60s 70s like they had insane asylums and then in the 80s they just closed them all. Do you know what happened? And I can't think of the next. name of my memory is garbage i can't think of the name of the case i'm hoping i can get it like but the supreme court so someone sued because there were people being placed in there that weren't technically insane all right and there was a lawsuit that the supreme court allowed to go

forward which closed every insane institution in the united states okay so that's why they all shut down it had nothing to do with the states like i don't give any money to that because, you know, if they thought you were crazy, that's the way they sent you. Right. They shut them. Now they do have a couple of hospitals, but they're hospitals and they have a ward for that.

Right. But that is the very unstable, unstable. If you have any level of stability, they're going to let you out. And they don't hold you. They can't hold you longer than 90 days anyway, the way the laws are structured, but not to get boring.

Anyway, so there was a gentleman by the name of Mike who used to, from time to time, and I'm going to tell you why I bring him up. It's hilarious is because if you spoke to Mike at any point in time, but after I tell you what he did, he would have a conversation just like you and I. Like if I approach you, go, hey, Matt, how's it going? You better? I'm good.

What's up? I'm just chilling. But he, so his issue was he would take a blanket and put, put it over his head and then start beating himself in the face like he'd go under the blanket and be hitting himself like when he'd come out he'd have a bloody nose or a black eye he used to run into the wall to he cut the top of his head and had to go to medical so i hate to ask it but why do you ever ask him like what are you doing i get a little frustrated sometimes man

me too but I've never done that I know I'm a little different you got any chips yeah anytime you spoke to him

it was like you can like he could be under punching himself you're like Mike Mike he'd come out yeah hey what's up eyes what's up are you okay

I'm a little down and it's not like this happened a few times this happened over the course of the police would the police were upset because they couldn't get medical or psych ward to take him because he was so his demeanor his demeanor was so normal at all times like if you talk to him he was fine like you say stop beating yourself okay that's a good idea yeah let's go watch tv and he'd get up and go get a chair watch TV. His demeanor was every moment normal. And then two

hours later he'd be beating the crap out of his cell. You'd look up and he's bleeding from the nose or he knocked one of his teeth out. And you're like, what happened to you two? I knocked it out hitting myself under bed for a. So what was he in there for? He

I would say it's trespassing or disturbing the peace, something like that. I couldn't exactly get his charge and every week his mom would come and see him and he would get this package of food like they'd order him a package and he'd get a ton of food and he'd eat it all like a $70 bag of soups and stuff would come and he'd eat it all within a 48-hour period like a feral child and he'd go to visitation oh hi mom how you doing do you remember Palmer yes

Homer was mentally disturbed. The white guy, Palmer, right? The one that used to sweep the compound all the time? Robbed multiple banks. Yes. That's quite a story, too. I wish I could track him down. He, he, yeah, he was bizarre.

I talked to him all the time. Yeah, he, he, so did he ever tell you about the time he tried to escape? Yes. Listen, this guy was just like a normal, you'd think he was just like kind of a normal. old white guy. So was Mike. If you talk to Mike, you'd be like, Mike, he knocked his tooth out.

Like, Mike, what happened to your tooth? Hey, I knocked it out, hit myself against the bedpost. And you're like, oh. So what do you say to that? Just for people watching, Palmer was a guy in the medium who had robbed a bank. And basically, Palmer had told me, and I think he sure told you this. too is that he'd never had a job where he was able to support himself he'd had multiple jobs he's never able to get one where he could support himself so one time he goes and he robbed the bank

went in you know with like a note or whatever it was i don't know what it was it was always a note right because he didn't get much time he got like three years but what happened was they changed the law to where he ended up getting 10 years right because it was also multiple times too that's sure they didn't help. Yeah. Because he'd gone to prison. He'd gone to prison, got out and did it again. Right. Well, he was shooting for larceny because he was trying, larceny is basically using, the law is using the company's rules against them. So the rules of the FDIC in the bank is you have to give over the money if it's requested, bring a robbery. So what he would do is he would request the money. Can you please? He put

please in the note. In his mind, he committed larceny. Well, they changed the law. And if there was any intimidation whatsoever, they put intimidation in the robbery. And they hit him with a robbery. He was very upset about that, that he got the last time he was in jail, he got robbery. Because on larceny, he only gets five years. So his plan was always just to go away for five years and get back out. I used to talk to him all the time. And they blew it and they gave him 10 and really pissed him off.

Not that it changed anything. He was just super calm. Yes. But one time he had, he tried to escape. he put on like multiple layers of clothes this wasn't at Coleman but he put on at another prison put on multiple layers of clothes walks up to the gate keep mind these gates are

you've got people in and you've first of all they have they have towers they also have the the pickup trucks that are driving around right the perimeter and the gates have motion detectors on him he climbs the gate or climbs the fence climbs through all of the concertino wire

and as he's going he said it's stripping off clothing he's shedding clothing so he can get through all of them climb up he finally gets over the second gate and ends up at the bottom of the tower and he said he's down there he said

I just got and he said I'm naked and he said I look up and he starts banging on the door and finally a guard comes and looks down on him and says hey we got an inmate out here and so the one of the one of the pickup trucks comes around they run out and they get on the ground and they handcuff them they take them back into the they put him in the shoe and you got charged with like an escape or something like which was three years yeah that was his plan though he wasn't ready to get out he was I didn't know that part yes I talked to him all the time he wasn't ready to get out he was he was nuts yeah he was he thought he was in control so his he'd come up with a problem in his head and his solution was he was

more jail time yeah but he didn't like to be wait but he liked the medium did he like the medium like there was okay he didn't like the pen he liked the medium yes okay and he was sweeping the compound all the time yeah yeah nice guy he was yeah sorry go ahead so you were saying so you were saying mental the boom boom boom bang in his head well I bring mic up because his demeanor so so super calm and that's why they never took him in to the psych ward because they're like this guy's there's nothing wrong with this guy he's very calm and relax he's just beating himself up i mean is that a problem he'll you like literally not figuratively i kind of beat myself up about that no no he's beating himself up i'm a little frustrated

have you can the next time somebody says i'm frustrated i'm going to say have you considered wrapping a towel around your head and banging it against the wall no it works for money of It's been known to work. It's been known to work. All right. So then there's a gentleman by the name of Roderick. So. What did Roderick do?

Well, how many of these lunatics are on this list? Well, we got Nico, who was the millionaire snitch for the feds. Oh, yeah. No, let's go. Go to Broderick. Well, Roderick is a, anyway, Roderick is a big, well, no. Roderick is a How do you explain it?

So can I explain him and then you give me a description because I can't come up with the proper derogatory term for Roderick? So Roderick is the kind of guy that he's a people pleaser and he kind of does everything. He's one of those people that gets along with everybody. Like, hey, how you doing? What's up, man?

What you need, man? I got you, I got you. Right. So he hangs out with a, bunch of different girls and and some of these girls sleep around so he might hang out with some prostitutes to sleep around give him a ride you know he might have a brother he'll deliver somebody needs some drugs he'll deliver some drugs he'll pick up drugs and help him out so he had a prostitute that I guess he was friends with that ended up that was sleeping with a supposedly

a senator okay right so this girl told him listen this senator is, I think it's a state senator, but I'm not sure. But this is a story he told, so I don't know if it's true. So, supposedly this girl ended up sleeping with a senator and the senator was doing drugs or something, and he'd fall asleep.

So he'd either smoke weed or something to pass out. So she told Roderick that would pick him up. So he's like, whoa, the next time he falls asleep, call me. Because then they're thinking they're going to go by his house and she lets him in and they steal a bunch of stuff from it. Right. So I guess the senator

falls asleep he gets the call he gets the call he goes over there still some valuable stuff some like some what do they call it paraphernalia not paraphernalia um memorabilia some sports memorabilia supposedly some

some money some jewelry like watches like Rolex and stuff they still all this stuff out of from the senator and they both leave so he gets arrested and he goes to jail for I'm obviously trafficking drugs

because he was on the run for I think he had got into a shootout with somebody or something along the line so when he goes to jail he decides that he probably wants to tell on the senator he wants to use the senator's

information as leverage like hey I want to tell somebody about this situation the senator has a drug problem the senator has a drug problem that's not really a get out of jail free card.

Well, he's thinking it is. But he's kind of like a multi, multi-faceted hustler that runs around and he boasts. So he tells everybody in the unit about this. He's walking around telling all these people that he's about to get out of jail because

he knows a senator that does drugs that he's going to turn it. You're not, but okay. Well, he didn't. Yeah. But that was his master plan to do it. But I guess, I guess I didn't work out too well for him.

So he's kind of a kind of a sheisting hustler that tries to hustle a bunch of different people. You know, he was kind of bizarre. Okay, low-level street hustler. Low-level street. But he was funny, though. If you met him, he kind of talked, if I can do his voice like,

listen, listen, listen, Zach, my man, Zach, what's up, me? Oh, my God. One of those guys that's always happy at all time to see you. Yeah, that's my boy. I'm telling we all going to come up, though, man. You know what I'm saying? All right. Nico.

My man, Nico, so Nico explained to me the ways of snitching. So, that I didn't know. I mean, like, insider snitching. So Nico did federal time. Right. And got his trafficking charge reduced down to, I think he was sentenced to three years and ended up serving one for like kilos of cocaine, something that would normally get life.

He ended up with one year. In matter of fact, he had my lawyer, Ms. Paul Mary. Okay. Who insisted. No, she was his lawyer. He paid her. Who insisted that he shouldn't do, he paid her less than I did, by the way. That's upsetting.

Okay. Anyway. You know, I paid, anyway. Is this for your first, for the federal charge for the first time or this time? Um, my federal charge the first time. Yeah. Yeah, I paid Lori. Oh, okay.

That was her. Okay. Yeah, I paid her. Anyway, I'm very upset about that. But anyway, anyway, he paid her and Lori argued that he shouldn't spend one day in jail. To the judge. Whereas to me, she argued that I should be willing to take responsibility for my crime.

Right. When I was arguing against spending 10 years in jail. But she got in front of the jail. And I'm reading the transcript. and argued the judge that this man shouldn't spend one day in jail. But I, and I told him, you know, to me, she argued that I should be happy to only spend two years in jail. Anyway, love Lori. So you follow the 2255 against her, right?

Yeah. Don't get me going down that road. All right. So he was teaching me the ways of snitching, giving me insight that I did not know. So insight number one. the feds pay snitches yeah so if you're lucky enough to become a paid informant they give you a percentage of whatever the drugs are worth or whatever money is seized that also includes ghost money and drugs so if i'm a paid snitch and let's say

say Corey is is doing drug transactions right and I approach Corey and I say hey can I sell you a million dollars that's Colby oh yeah Colby sorry Cory Colby I got it wrong for to say face okay okay 15 months so sorry so Colby's selling drugs yes and and and I'm a paid informant if I can get him to agree to buy or sell a million million dollars worth of drugs and he doesn't have it right I would get like a percentage of the million dollars that he could never have come up with to begin with and they would actually pay me that nice I told him I go you're lying he goes no I'm not it's in in an agreement that he signed so informants that are paid are paid a percentage of whatever so

obviously they look for a higher level drugs so the more drugs they can get someone to agree to the more money they actually make it's absolutely unbelievable so he is a millionaire from the people that he's set up what was he doing in jail um because he sold to he had four sales in st pete where he sold to undercover four different times and he gave him eight charges he violated supervised release that he had five years after only being out eight months he absconded like in my 14 years in prison of doing legal work all of the informants that I have met and the stories I've heard about informants

they are the worst people in the world they try to play both sides consistently they feel like if the police are on my side I can do whatever I want yeah I'm I listen I met a guy in the low that was literally I mean it was insane the stuff he was telling me It was like, I mean, he's, and he'd get, he'd get, he'd get caught for something.

And the other DEA agent would come in and say, look, you can't charge him with that. Like, like, we're the ATF. We understand he had the guns. I understand this. I understand that. We've got him. He's in the middle of this huge drug transaction. You can't charge him.

And they drop this, drop it. So a lot of times they would protect him, you know, but I understand at some point when you are no longer valuable and you keep, have gotten away with all this stuff. One day you get busted. You go, hey, man, I need some help. And you get 20 years. And they're like, I don't understand. We had an agreement.

We did, but we're done with that now. I don't even want to start on that pack. I got so much to say about it. So one of the, so he taught me a lot. That was one of them. The trick that always blew my mind was that he wanted to snitch

on someone. because he's in we're in a state pod we're in a pod with people with the state and the state doesn't well they didn't do like snitching and time cuts they are starting to now

just so you know I wanted to tell you that I learned that Florida's starting to if you tell we'll give you less time type of shit right but so so all the state people in there he was walking around gathering cases so when he's telling me this

I say, well, he goes, yeah, I'll just have them move me to another pod. Like, I'll get a case. Somebody will tell me enough to get me a case that I can turn into them and I have a move me to another pod. I say, well, don't you think it'll be suspicious that you move? He said, no, what I would do if I left, and say I got moved out because of you. As soon as I left, I saw anybody in the pot, I tell him, hey, Matt's a snitch. He told on me and they moved me out.

which like in my mind i'm going that is freaking brilliant because you've just reversed right the the entire you're the snitch and how do you prove that you're not the snitch right and everybody's saying it well they moved so-and-so they moved him he said he got moved oh max when it got on echo moved blah blah and i'm going to myself like you guys have yeah no scruples none, none. You're absolutely unbelievable. Plus, they're paying you all this money. I was going to say, when the FBI came to see me at Coleman, they offered me money. And I went, no. She's no, I mean, we can put two, three hundred bucks on your books, you know, on your account. That way you have commissary. Like, I mean, I, you know,

I just want to make sure that you're taking care of. I said, no. I said, my fear is that I cooperate. You get a case and we get in front of it. judge or with or the prosecution and the prosecution says your honor like we don't need to give mr cox any time off we've been paying him for all of this information so because i had spoken with my cousin who said don't ever accept a dime because he had met a guy that they were giving him like a thousand dollars a month for like a year and a half and when it came time they busted the people they just stopped showing up and he was like okay wait a second i need my time cut and they said well yeah but we've we've been paying you he was like i didn't

didn't do this for the money. They were like, I know, but, you know, we went to the prosecution and they said, look, that we paid this guy, whatever, $18,000 of the past 18 months. And, and, you know, he was like, well, look, he's got something out of it. Like, I'm not going to file anything for this guy. He's got a couple more years. He can do those two, a couple of more years. As if $18,000 is worth two or three more years. But, you know, he said, yeah, he said, so, so my cousin was like, so if they offer you money, he goes, don't take it. So when I sat down, they were like, listen, you know, if you need me to, I can put money on your books. I said, uh-uh, I know about you.

I'll starve. No. Yeah. Well, both, I think both sides are are. Scumbags. Yes. Yeah, I get it. I'm fine with that.

You're fine with that. Well, I wouldn't say, it's, it's just that some of those people go bad, Matt. They actually use the law to break the law. They think that they're, you, you weren't in that category. You didn't like. try to use law enforcement to be able to sell and deal drugs. Right, right. I mean, they use them to bring down their own competition.

Right. Oh, you want to mess with me? I'll get you arrested. Yeah. You know, I'll use the government as my, as my own retaliator. So, like Chapo. Like Chapo. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll give you information on this guy, on these cartels, on this guy and this guy, and then have them all have your competition busted and then you blow up even bigger. Yeah. So go ahead. Sorry. Oh, no. It's just that, and Nico, I guess, had come to the end of his line.

You know, he had discovered a body for them. Yeah, he said he had a buddy that had shot somebody and asked him if he knew how to get rid of a body. And he gave that to the cops. And the cop goes, we just need you to go over there with a wire on, identified it as a dead body in there, and then we're going to go in. And he said he kind of walked in, you know, and the guy, you know. Oh, my gosh, is that a dead body?

No, no, no. They asked him if he could, like, the people call. called, hey, can you get rid of a dead body? He's like, yeah. So he said he came in, and the guy, he goes, where's the body at? Let me see the body. So he said he walked in. This is why Lori was saying that he shouldn't spend a day in jail.

So he walked in and he goes, and he sees the body. The guy's laying there. He's like, what the fuck happened? He goes, we got no argument over, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I shot him. He was like, okay, well, let me call my people and I'll get him over here. And we'll get that out of here for you. And he said, the guy pulled the gun and put it in his face.

He's got a wire on. Right. right and he said he doesn't know what happened that he didn't panic like oh get in here right he said all of a sudden he just kind of like got cool and said what are you doing he goes i don't know you dude he said the guy with the gun said i don't know you man how do i know you're not fucking going to the cops and he said he looked at him like dude you one of your moments dude you asked me over here and you called me yeah like what the fuck man he's like do you want me to get rid of this thing or not he go well fine if you feel that way to

and shoot me, motherfucker, and he said, started walking off to the door. He said, about to piss himself. Walk to the door, open the door, left, and close the door. Went to the car and said, Oh, get over here. That's right. Cops bust in and took him to jail.

He said, Lori fought, that's the reason why he had already testified in trials to get his time down, but that's the reason why he only spent a year in jail on a three-year sentence. He did a year. And he wasn't even out six months before he caught a whole new for sales and delivery. And you said he had a ton of money. So he had a ton of money out there. He didn't need to do it.

He just, you know, the problem is that you get into that life and you don't know anything else. And then you can't even stomach going to regular job. You're like, I don't understand. I'm going to, you're talking about to bust my ass all week and you're going to give me like $500? Like, fuck that because there's never been any consequences for you. No, you know, it was funny because that's one thing he said that I, one of the lines that stick in my mind from being in there, as he said, he said, he was living a lifestyle where I committed a felony every day. And I told him, I said, you know, I remember when I had that lifestyle. Like, every day I'm committing felonies, you know what I'm saying?

It's, it sounds funny as a criminal, but if you're saying that to a person that's never been to jail, it sounds atrocious. Right. You know, but as a criminal, you're kind of like, yeah, I remember that. Good times. Good time. Yeah. A felony a day? I'll top you.

Two felonies. It's crazy. So last person, I call it Mr. Pathetic. Now, I met him on the tail end of, this long story. No, I didn't. I met him when I went to work. At some point, I went to work in the kitchen as a, at the Hillsborough County Jail, Falkenberg Road. They decided one day that they're going to give me the privilege of working in the kitchen.

kitchen so I'm like you know and like we're going to move you to another unit and we're going to move you to a quieter unit where it's quieter and we're going to give you probably two trays for lunch or two bag lunches you guys are too good to me I know and we're going to give you a chance to work in the kitchen where you'll be able to eat extra food and we're going to cook you like we're going to give you some of the food that we feed the staff I'm like wow awesome they're going to treat me good. And they moved me from the clean unit with the murderers into a unit that's filthy. So this is when I learned that me and the murderers kept the unit immaculate.

Right. So they moved me to a filthy unit. The unit is absolutely dirty. The people who clean up their garbage. As a matter of fact, when I complained, they're like, I'm like, dude, have you swept the bathroom? It's junk all over around the toilet. He goes, the brooms over there. Like, you sweep it, motherfucker.

Dirty unit. They have a tablet that you can use. So when I'm in my unit, I get the tablet all day. Right. In this unit, they don't pass the tablet out for later hours. Plus, you're working, so you can't even use the tablet that much. Then they send me to work. They're like, okay, you're working a 10 hour a day shift, six days a week.

So then when I go in. Or an extra tray. Yeah. I'm burning off the extra chae easily. When I go into work, it's washing, there's 2,000, there's 3,000, there's like almost 4,000 people there. So it's washing 4,000 dinner trays twice. Wow. So when I come in, I'm washing the breakfast tray because at lunch they give you a bag.

So as soon as I get to work at 11 a.m., I'm washing the breakfast trays. Then I'm turning around and putting food into breakfast tray. sending it out for dinner once the dinner trays come back I'm watching the dinner trays after I watch the dinner trays I get to go back

to my new How long did you do this For about four weeks Until Well until I got fired For talking during count If I had known that I had talked

The second fucking day Horrible Why did you keep doing it Why didn't you just say Look I'm done Yeah I'm not doing this I don't know I said that to my soul

many times but I don't know I don't even have a good reason Matt I don't have a good reason so anyway send me back to the murderers I want to go back to the murderers at least it was clean and they wouldn't tolerate these little pieces of chicken but no listen so

so in that unit there was a couple of people who didn't have to work I don't understand why they were there at all one of them was and I can't remember his name I called him Mr. Pathetic so he had no money and no

and he claimed to have no money and no friends that's how you introduced hi I have no money I have no friends well he wanted a cup of coffee it started up with begging for coffee and being in jail I know you know coffee is everybody begs for coffee because it's the appetite

suppressant right so he's begging for coffee I give him coffee so after about the 10th time that day I'm like dude he's like man I'm sorry bro I right now I I got any money. I'm waiting to get out. So he's telling me his story because he's, you know, trying to befriend me. So I guess I give him more coffee. So he's like, oh, you know, I'm really, I'm really, I'm only hitting here because, you know, my wife put a restraining order against me and I'm here for violating a restraining order. I'm like, really? I go, how long have you been in here? He goes, this time I've been in here like about a month. I said, this time, how many times you been in here? Go, this is my fourth. So what the hell were you in jail for before? Drugs? He goes, nah, I just keep violating the restraining order. order. What?

I'm like, against your wife? He's like, man, we've got two kids, man. We've been married for about 22 years.

I don't understand. Like, all of a sudden, she just up and was tired of having me around. So I'm like, okay, well,

what kind of work do you do? He goes, I don't work. I said, what kind of work did you do? He goes, well, I never really had a job.

Like, so, of course, my mind's going like, what, what made her, what made her weight 22 years?

So he's never, he's never had a job. His wife owns a successful chiropracting clinic. She's the owner with other chiropractors under her. They live in a very large, well, she lives in a very large, he had to get out. Right. Yeah, go ahead. In a very large house. And he claims that one day she came home and just like, I don't want to do this anymore.

I want you to get out of my house. Supposedly he says he drinks and he goes into a drunken rage or something. And so she's like, I'm tired of you. I want you out of my house. It's over. I say, well, if she's seeing somebody else, he goes, not that I know of. She's just tired of me, but I don't understand, like, why she's tired of me.

I do. Exactly. I'm like, you know, we've been here 20 minutes. I can, I've got, get out. Yeah. I have some, I have some insight on her. So, um, so I'm like, what about your friends? He doesn't have any friends

And he was living with his dad And his dad was on the verge of throwing him out I'm like Listen, Matt Matt, Matt, you This is a human pathetic Like if you looked up pathetic in the dictionary It's his picture

I mean, why didn't he get a job? I don't know That would be a question you would have to ask him I don't know Obviously you never asked him He just didn't want to get a job couldn't get a job. No, I think he said he was going to get a job.

But he got out. What's holding you back? He got out and he came right back twice. So he got out, came back, because I was there about a month. So he got out about a week and a half, came back to the same units. And that unit must have supported restraining order. Like it might have been people who broke restraining orders. Right.

So he came back. For breaking the straight restraining order again. Yes. And then like I left. that unit because he was supposed to get out like within a month or something okay I left that unit a couple of months later as I was leaving I ran into him or going to court I ran into him I said I go did you ever get out he goes yeah I got out I go how long were you out or about two weeks what happened I called my wife why well she said something I don't remember I think he said

it was a Facebook posting that said something that he didn't like, and he wanted to ask her, why would she put that on Facebook? Curiosity does not Trump. Does not trump the restraining order? Super pathetic. I said, what about your dad? Is your dad tired of?

Yeah, my dad's probably going to kick me out this time. I don't know where I'm going to go. But he asked me to keep in touch because he just doesn't have that many friends. So I was hoping to introduce him to you, Matt. I'm good. Are you sure?

You don't want to interview him? I, I, I, I. Get out of my house. I'm, uh, I'm all filled up with my, uh, pathetic friends. No, but I'm talking about someone else. Oh, of course. They're not even friends here. I mean, anyway.

But I mean, that, that's kind of the, the long and short of, of, some of the people I met there. I think I listed all the ones that I really wanted to meet or mentioned. In my 12 months at Hillsborough County. When I went to Pinellas County, there wasn't really any... What about the guy that you had told me earlier

about a guy that was in a high-speed chase or something? Oh, yeah. I have his name, too. I meant to look him up. He tells that story, much better. Oh, the only part that I think is cool is when he was,

because he drove across the skyway, like both ways. He went to St. Pete, then he turned around and came back on the skyway. While being chased? While being chased. Yeah,

he took him through like three or four counties. Listen, he jumped into the, the Hillsborough County, and he was in the Hillsborough County River for about nine hours. Hillsborough County River. Is there a river?

Not river. what the bay the bay okay for like nine hours trying to allude them yes why were they chasing him he said because he dropped off a friend and he felt he was high

he dropped off a friend and then he felt like someone was chasing him turns out if you drive like someone's chasing you long enough people will chase you and he goes that's probably what ended up happening. What's with this guy? You know what? I'm going to chase him. I'm actually going to chase that man needs to be chased. That's exactly what happened. He thought someone was chasing him.

And he goes, like you say, eventually, someone started chasing him. So he jumps out of the car and runs. I want to see if I can track him down. I'm going to see if I can find him. He'd be funny. Oh my God. Listen, he's hilarious. If he's sober, he's also very, easily induced. Hell, I'm boring you. No, no. I woke up at like three in the morning. Me too.

Really? Yeah. Why? You just do now? Well, I was scared, you know? I just wake up. You know, it was for a long time, it had been breakfast time. So anyway, I was going to say when everybody, I used to wake up at like, you know,

five and everybody would go, why, why you wake up at five belly? Well, that's when they turn the lights on. The guard, did we have the, where they would do that, in the low, they would turn on the light. for like four o'clock count or five o'clock in the morning they would turn on the lights and walk around the count and it's like come on man like what are you doing then they shut them back off for like an hour and a half like you know it's you know so you wake up it's like I might as well just get up and go get some coffee now they already counted I'm allowed to walk around and I'm walking around yeah then I'd go watch a go watch the infomercial for home title lock and think I should be on that commercial I really should they don't have any like me. And now I'm on. Now they do.

And now they do. I mean, hey, that's what the heck. So it's good to be back and back and in play. Trying to put your, trying to put my life back together, trying to get it going.

So those are some very interesting people to meet. Some of them I've managed to kind of talk to. Some I want to track down and see if maybe we can bring them in here and talk to them and share more in depth their stories that are probably not the guy. it beats himself up i don't think you want him in here i mean if we can keep him calm um no always oh yeah that's right like like how funny would that be he's sitting there with a broken nose bleeding blood missing a tooth what happened to too like i you know i was upset i'm a little frustrated like what's he locked up for i've been beating my head against the desk and obviously

i broke my nose him oh you got a tissue or something so so you're trying to get back on your feet yes if someone wanted if someone was so inclined to say hey or declined but to say we you want him declined so hey let me send this dude 20 bucks because you know he's trying to put his life back together he's owes a couple hundred dollars to uh to uh to uh uh overdrawn on your bank account from when you you know took off like they don't stop billing you for stuff no they don't um so you know and they were so inclined like are you going to be able to open up a like we'll have we can put either colby can put his like before colby put put his PayPal right or you can get a PayPal or cash app and I can put it I'll get both of them we can put

it in the in the description okay yeah please please if you can help me get back going so that I can make more frequent appearances and kind of get my life back going and can stay on the right track this time get I'm determined to do get out of the sister's spare room yes yeah yeah listen I was in Stacy's spare room forever. My friend Stacy, I stayed in her spare room. I told you that, right? I stayed in her. Well, the cop that we, she was running basically a rooming house.

Like she's got me in one room. She's got the cop in the other room. Yeah, the cop. Yeah, the cop in the other room. Yeah, she was going through like a divorce and, you know, needed to stay somewhere and went and moved in there. Wow. A female cop on that?

Yeah, she was a forensic cop. Oh, wow. Did you guys exchange stories? yeah she was she was interesting she was an interesting person um so uh i was going to tell you did i ever tell you this that i stayed stacey has in her house she has like a salon and she also had a really big walking closet in the salon i moved my bed into the closet and slept in the closet and she was like there's no windows in here are you sure you want to do this i'm like because that way in the main room the bigger room which was about

the size of a regular bedroom i was like yeah but i can do my studio in here i can paint in here and the bed's in the way so if i put it in here it just fit in the clot so you could open the door walk in and lay in bed it was just perfect i fit perfect um and she was like yeah there's no windows i'm like no it's cozy i'm you know after 13 years no no i'm good in here this is nice i sleep good in this so yeah it was uh i stayed in there for yeah about 13 months i think 13 14 months as I stayed. Yeah. Bizar.

Bizar. Jess would come and see me. At the house? Yeah, we'd sleep in the closet. We would put up my laptop and watch movies and lay in bed and watch movies and honestly, like, thrilled. Like, it was like, this is awesome. Like, you're in a closet. You live in someone's spare, you don't even live in their spare room.

You live in their closet. You're watching YouTube videos on your laptop and you guys are like, I've got it made. That's right. Hey, you're in prison. Yeah, it's much better. Oh,

yeah. Much better. Much better. No guard like, shut up. Yeah. Oh, man. No murderers feeding your dinner. So yeah,

that's not bad. Good times. That's right. All right. Anything else? What else we got? No. Well,

what about the YouTube channel? Yeah, what I say? YouTube channel. Should I promote it? Yeah, because we're going to, so shoot a video and you're going to put it up on a on a YouTube channel.

Right. Where I'm going to kind of start talking to a lot of the people who I've met in and out of and out of jail giving some stories of other people that I know describing them putting my little spin and sense of humor on it I'm hoping to take the channel to a level where I can interview a lot of different people maybe throwing some skits and depicting some of the stories that we describe in jail situations that we think are hilarious so please check it out all right it's uh it's going to be uh Isaac Allen right Isaac Allen you know i take i like youtube channel we'll put the link in the description so he's got to get

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