Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Myron Gaines Exposes JFK Files, His Secret Identity, & Why He Left The Feds

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

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I ended up taking a job with Homeland Security Investigations, HSI. Government distrust is already an all-time high. If the American people knew that the CIA worked with a foreign government to kill a former sitting U.S. president, I think about it every day. Like, I never wanted to leave. And I've never said this before it. And the reason why I left, really, was because... Myron Gaines, also known as Amrufoto, that's like my government name,

since everyone tries, so you hide from your government name, which we're going to talk about that here in a second, why I don't use it. So my dad gave me the United States somewhere in the 1970s, roughly. Um, he's from Sudan. Both my parents are from Sudan. Okay. Um, well, North Sudan now, it used to be one country, Sudan, but then the Civil War tore it up. So they're from the northern part, the airport.

Um, he was a cab driver in New York City growing up. My mom didn't work. And then when we moved to Connecticut, he worked as a security guard for a bit. Then he ended up getting a job with, uh, with, um, Connecticut transit. Okay. Like, which is basically, like, think of it is like the, um, public bus company. Yeah. For the state of Connecticut.

Okay. So, I mean, do you have brothers and sisters? Yeah. So I have a sister. She is in her residency right now to be a doctor. And then I have a little brother. He just graduated from college. She has like a sales job somewhere in Connecticut, I think so. Okay. So I mean, did you, I mean, ultimately you end up with Homeland Security. Like when you were in high school, like was that like a goal? Did you think I'm, or was it just I want to go into public surface of some kind? So I always knew I wanted to get into law enforcement. I think what really made me want to really get in to the feds was after 9-11. Right? So I've grown in a Muslim household. My parents were Arab speakers, Muslim, etc. And like, I just didn't like how the negative impact of how 9-11 made Muslim Arabs look or Muslim as general. So I was like, man, we need to go after the people that. Because to me, I've always been like, you know, I carry one passport. I'm very proud of this country. English is my first language. You know, this country is afforded me a bunch of benefits that I would have never been able to get anywhere else. I was born and raised here, right? This is the only country I know. And my parents have always been really. patriotic as well, right? Because they understand that coming here, they've got a lot of benefits that wouldn't be able to get anywhere else. So they've always been super respectful and grateful for being here. I remember growing up as a kid, my wife parents always say, you're born and raised here. You better become a somebody. We didn't come here so that you can be a loser.

So, you know, that always kind of instilled to me like things could be way worse. And I actually went to Sudan before Sudan and I went to Egypt. And I saw how poor it is over there and how terrible it is. And I was like, oh, my God, it made me really have a newfound appreciation for United States. They say the opportunities that people have here, they completely take for granted. Absolutely, man. Like, people over here crying about like, my wife, voice. I'm like, dude, like, you don't even know. So, um, I'm really glad that I, like, in my childhood, I went to these poor countries and, like, saw what like life can really be like. So, um, so yeah, after 9-11 happened when I got, and I got a whole awakening on 9-11 on a whole other stuff. But back then as a kid,

because I was 11 years old when it hit, um, it really affected me. It really bothered me. It really annoyed me because I just get bullied all the time and everything like that. saw how my mom had to deal with it because she would wear the hijab out in public because you know the people really didn't like Muslims after 9-11 man so um so I always said like you know what we're going to go out to the bastards I did this and um so yeah that's kind of how it started so you went to okay and you see what you end up going into school did you go in the I mean you went to uh you just said uh Northeastern University so I was at Central Connecticut State University for a year and then I got some pretty good grades and I transferred to Northeastern because there was no

way I would have been able to get to Northeastern out of college like It's a very, I think as of now, they got like a 7% acceptance rate. Very good school. It's right there with the, with the IVs. It's a private school in Boston, Massachusetts. Right next to BU, Harvard, MIT, all the, all the, you know, preppy schools up there. Did you take criminology or something? I was a criminal justice major.

And then I also wrote on the crew team, the rowing team, Division I. Is there a criminology degree? That's not true, right? Criminal justice. Criminal justice. What's criminology? What am I saying? The study of criminals, basically.

What I'm saying? Yeah. But there are, but there are criminology degrees. Yeah. Oh, okay. You're not crazy. You know,

there's absolutely criminology. Yeah. So, all right. So, so you got that degree because you were thinking, were you thinking homeland,

were you thinking Homeland Security? You were just thinking something. Or did you think about going in the military first? So I could explain that. So Northeastern is going to sound like an ad. This is not an ad. But it's a unique school because it's a five-year school. They have something called a co-op program

where you take a semester. instead of being in school, you actually go work. And what's up happening is you get this like internship for like six months. And what's up happening a lot of times is like you build the connections and you're able to get a job right out of school. So I interned with the Department of Homeland Security HSI or immigration or customs enforcement has two components. Homeland Security investigations, which is like the Chrome Investigator Special Agency.

And then you got enforcer removal operations ERO. I interned with HSI. Do you, why? why do you speak like farce i i do speak here a bit conversationally yeah i was way more fluent before but uh but that definitely helped me the two things that mainly helped me was i was a division one athlete i spoke another language and um my my GPA was pretty good i was like a three three as an athlete so you know that was that was pretty good because um you know they gave you a little bit more uh leeway if you're an athlete at what point did you apply to go into homeland security like

How does that happen? Yeah. So my sophomore year, I applied. I went to the interview. They took me on as an intern. And the way it worked was as long as you complete year, and I think I did three rounds of six months, you do six months because I'd go, so I'd go six months back to classes, six months again with the government, back to classes.

And then in between. I don't understand. What do you mean? So like they, what the way Northeastern does it is like they literally build a curriculum where you're able to intern. for six months without taking classes, but you're still enrolled in school. Oh, okay.

It's like a, that's what makes it a five-year school. I thought it was like one time. I thought it was like one time here. The way they have it, it's literally built into the program. It's called a co-op program. It's really good because it's like one of the few schools

that like really sets you up to like get a job outside of graduation. Right. But like, yeah, they build it in the curriculum where you're interning six months, but you're still like a full-fledged student and everything else like that. You use a cafeteria or whatever. And then you go back to classes and then they do that. couple times well then these government um you know institutions have to be on board with you coming like

they must have they have like a program connected with them right to allow yeah yeah yeah so like the um some of the alumni um at ice that will hSI and boston a lot of them were northeastern grads so they had this internship program built out kind of from there okay there were alumni that were working that at the higher ups of um hSI and they had this program built all right and then so you because we've had guys like the next former we've had like former CIA guys and FBI agents

and a lot of them would go into the military first. Yes, yes. And that is the normal trajectory. Right. You know, it's very difficult to get an 1811 special age

or criminal investigator spot with the government fresh out of college. Very difficult to do. I was lucky where I went to a good school that had this internship program and you know, I successfully completed

like my internship. requirements and ended up working out but yeah normally you got to go to the military you got to do time in another law enforcement agency and you kind of work your way in because it's very difficult to get those jobs fresh out of college so so what what happens when you get there so so i um i graduated from school i spend six months and waiting to go to the academy right so they're like they get and i think we had like a government shutdown at the time this is this is 2013 oh yeah Obama still in so um i ended up getting an academy date in February of 2014.

So I go down to Brunswick, Georgia, aka Glenco, where the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center is Fletsey. And for the feds, there's three main agency academies. There's Fletsey down in Georgia. FBI has theirs in Quantico. D.E.A. has there's in Quantico as well. Postal inspectors have theirs in Maryland. I think Secret Service has their add-on in Maryland as well.

And then I think Border Patrol has there's an Artesia. But I was down at Fletzzi. And that's where most of the agencies go for a federal law enforcement, like ATF, marshals, us, IRS, everyone goes there. Because you got to go through something called criminal investigator training program. That's about three to four months. Then you do your ad on, your agency add-on. So I had to go, I did CITP. Once you get that done, that's kind of like the general one that like you're in there with ATF guys, IRS guys, whatever.

Once you're done with that, then you go to this specific add-on for your agency. So for me it was HSI, special aid training academy, SAT, SAT, HSI sat. And then I did that for like another three or four months. And then I got out, once I got finished, I went to my first duty station, which was Laredo, Texas. What was happening there? Like, I mean, is that, like, if that Homeland Security there, is that, like, drugs? Yeah. So for HSI, most brand new special agents with HSI gets sent to the Southwest border.

Or they'll get sent to, like, a heart to fill. Like a San Francisco, a New York City, and L.A., like these major cities where they need a lot of agents and a lot of people don't want to go there. his cost of living. But when I went, almost all of us got sent to the southwest border or Puerto Rico. That's another big one where new agents go. And it's because these places are hard to fill. You're typically very busy. So they send new agents there. So I went to Laredo, Texas, and it was very busy, man. It was, it's the busiest office and the busiest special agent in charge area of responsibility or AOR. Because so think of it like San Antonio is the main sack office right and the FBI works like this too ATF all the agencies work like this you got a sack

office a special agent in charge office right that's the big one then there's satellite offices that fall under that office Laredo was a office it was it was a desac office which is like uh we had like six it could house up to 100 agents but it like had a deputy special agent in charge which is a pretty big office but it was a subsidiary of the special agent charge office in san Antonio. So Laredo was the busiest office in the busiest sack in the country. So we were very, we were running around doing stuff all the time. What is the bulk of the cases that they're working there? Were they drug cases? Yeah, drugs, human smuggling, um, firearms going southbound, money going southbound, money laundering. You, you, you think of it, it's there on

the southwest border. Basically, the same thing you would think of like the FBI is. Yeah. We were doing, we're actually yeah we were way busy than FBI like FBI so after 9-11 the FBI really focused on more counterterrorism counter espionage so what ended up happening is a lot of their crime work or is what they call crime work went over to other agencies right and what ended up happening after 9-11 after the department of Homeland Security was created HSI kind of came in and took a lot of that criminal stuff because HSI has more broad authority than the FBI they have actually more statutes they enforce so the FBI really focuses more on like counterterrorism and espionage and then HSI does a lot took up a lot of that criminal stuff that they used to do now the FBI still does organize crime

of course right but um they're not it's it's not their main focus like it used to be right after 9-11 um yeah I was going to say uh whenever somebody asked me like how did the secret service get on your my case they're like why wasn't the FBI I'm like because they're chasing real criminal like after 9-11 I knew everything got shifted yeah there was a lot of stuff that they handed over like the Secret Service, like financial crimes and a lot of stuff. Yeah. And I'm actually shocked. Like I remember when me and you had our discussion, because the thing, fun fact about Secret Service, because they're also in Homeland Security, they don't really get a lot of criminal cases prosecuted. And the reason why is because they're just

spread so thin because their main mission is protection. So winds up happening a lot of the times with the United States Attorney's Office since they're the ones taking all the cases. They hate taking Secret Service agent cases because they're never around to actually like see the case through. Right. Right. Because they always got to, oh, oh, sorry, got pulled for, you know, a detail here. Like, because they have to do all these random, like, because every president and their immediate family gets protection. Right.

And when you add it up, like, between the kids and the wives, et cetera, that's a lot of secret service agents they need for each detail. So they're always constantly getting pulled and they can't, like, really see cases all the way to fruition. Like, anytime I had a secret service agent on one of my cases, like I'd see them like maybe once or twice a year because they were always getting pulled, you know? And that's why they have such a high attrition rate.

Like, they always leave and go to other, other agencies or what's called a lateral. Like, we have so many former secret service agents that are HSI guys because the quality of life sucks. They have the highest divorce rates. Well, they saw mine through. Yeah, they saw yours through, unfortunately. So, yeah. Okay, so you got there. Who was just them?

Nobody else? No, no, it was also, it started with the FBI, but when I was on the run and they got involved, like, they were actively chasing me. The FBI basically were, they put, you know, they put the warrants out, you know, and they're like oh he'll get pulled over eventually like they're not chasing the secret service is sending out flyers they're emailing people they're showing up they were the lead agency right like when you were like it was when you were there sitting ultimately when all the cases got condensed they were the lead okay all right okay so but initially yeah initially was FBI but then they they weren't really looking this but when I went on the run it was definitely the secret service gotcha yeah so that that's

why yeah because FBI is probably like an assistant and they do that all the time with the the bureau like they'll come in they'll assist they do the bare minimum them and then when it's time to make the arrest, they're there to take credit. Yeah, yeah. So, so once you, so once you got to Laredo, I mean, how old are you at this time? I was 24 years old. You're 24 years old and you're working criminal cases. It was crazy, man.

Yeah, that doesn't that seem, how old are you now? I'm 35 now. Doesn't that seem ridiculous, a 24-year-old? Like, you shouldn't be in charge of anything. Yeah. It made me grow up quick. It really did make me grow up quick. The other thing, too, was a culture shock.

So a lot of people don't know this. When you're on the southwest border, it doesn't feel like the United States. You're basically in Mexico. No one speaks English. It's sand is everywhere. It's like literally out like the movies. It's like the Wild West, right? And there's like cartel in that era.

Like they're getting into shootouts with cops. Like it's not as bad as maybe being in Mexico, but it's bad. Yeah. For my understanding, when you talk to people down there, they're like, bro, it's the wild fuck. It's the wild west down there. Yeah. So when I went there, right, there was a war going on between the Mexican Marines and, the Zetas. At the time, the Los Zetas were the ones running. So Laredo, just kind of put it on a map.

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paramilitary. A lot of them were former Mexican Marines that basically turned and said, we're just going to sell drugs and make more money. Yeah, yeah. So that's what ended up happening. Yeah, I wrote a whole true crime thing about it, how they were, you know, it's like Zeta 1, Zeta 2. Yes, yes. It's all by numbers. Yeah, and they were in, the Trevino's, yep. The initial guys were actually trained. They were in the military and they were trained by our military. Yeah.

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Yeah. So I was in a, so we had like 10 groups, right? Because this was a deputy, especially in change. Deputy Special Agent and Charge Office, right, a DSAC office, which I don't think FBI has desacks, but HSI does. So it was like, I think we're supposed to, we can house something like 100 agents, but we were down to like 60, right? It was very hard because HSI had a hiring freeze for many years. So like by the time I got to Laredo, that was the first time they had new agents in years. It was like me and like five of my classmates went to Laredo.

So we get there. There were 10 groups. We had three human smuggling groups, like three drug trafficking groups. We had a border best border enforcement security task force group, which was like border violence, kidnapping, et cetera. We had a commercial fraud group, which was, you know, counterfeit, merchandise, people smuggling in commercial fraud. Like basically like any, like when people do like IPR or they're, you know, trying to smuggling things that they're not supposed to be smuggling in, but it might not necessarily be drugs. It's other contraband. Like what, Nike's fake Nike?

Yeah, like that type of stuff. Commercial fraud, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But we were so busy, like, every group was, like, doing everything. Like, the only reason you were, like, in our group is because you'd often get calls. So for me, right, I was in a human smuggling group. So Border Patrol is out doing patrols or whatever. And if they catch a smuggler trying to bring in illegal aliens, whether it's on the border,

smuggling through the river, or driving them around because there's many different legs of a trip when you're going through human smuggling, border patrol catches them. They bring them back to the station. They contact us. We go. We follow up and do the investigation. We interview all the money. migrants that were caught. We interviewed the suspect smuggler. And then we go ahead and like, you know,

figure out where the aliens were supposed to go, you know, who was, who else was involved in an organization, et cetera, and then kind of work our way backwards there. Sometimes we do control deliveries. And it's very similar like in the drug game. So someone gets caught at the bridge, trying to bring in drugs. They call us. We show up, hey, where was this dope supposed to go? Oh, I was going to take it to San Antonio. Okay, let's go ahead and do a control delivery. And we take it up there, whatever may be. So this was happening all the time. let them take it up there and you just kind of follow them or do you guys yeah yeah yeah so if we're going to do a control delivery right um i can explain how it works so the thing was controlled deliveries

is you got to be quick right so when customs calls you um let's say they catch 10 kilos at the bridge right guy comes in supposed to bring it in gets caught hey we got a guy here at the bridge 10 keys what do you want us to do don't move we're going to be over there get over there quick get him on the phone with the next guy that he was supposed to speak to that's assuming he's cooperating assuming he's Of course, you get there, you read him his rights. Hey, look, we got you with 10 keys. You can go right now or you work with us. It will talk to the AUSA, Assistant United States Attorney's Office,

the Assistant United States Attorney, the prosecutor, and we can, you know, work something out. Yeah, cool. I'll cooperate. All right, call the guy that you're supposed to call. Do a concessually monitored phone call. Obviously, record it. He says, hey, you know, I just got a flat tire, but I'm on my way, et cetera, make up some kind of rules as to why he's, because they're very very.

Very methodical. Oh, yeah, they know how long it takes. Yeah. And they're like, you know, hey, did you get stopped? Whatever. So if things are off, like the timing is off, they get suspicious. So he's like, yeah, I know I'm on my way, et cetera. So at that point, if it looks like it's going to go, I'm telling the CBP officers,

okay, let him go. We do a pass-droom memo and we start taking him up north. And what ended up happening is, obviously he won't have drugs in a car. We'll take the drugs. But then we'll let him drive and we follow him. And we'll just monitor the whole thing. So what happens? He brings it up there, right?

Like, does you do wire the guy up? Yeah, yeah, he's wired up. Sometimes we'll have an agent in the car with him. We're not depending on the situation. They get to the, let's say we're going from Laredo to San Antonio. San Antonio is almost always the next transit point, right? Two hours up north, Interstate Highway 35, take him up there, right? And you're notifying all the local law enforcement, DPS, Border Patrol, et cetera.

Hey, we're doing this operation, et cetera, so they don't interfere. He gets there. Once he gets there, nine and ten times they're going to tell him, put it in a parking lot, leave it. Leave the keys in the gas, in the gas tank, whatever. the guys that show up that are supposed to come pick it up we arrest them or we're supposed to go with these

blah blah and then just kind of leapfrogging it and see you take it as far as you can go and then very similar human smuggling tool human smuggling it's a bit different because with human smuggling it's a lot harder right

because you're dealing with human beings so it winds up happening is when the aliens okay so I can I'll go right from the beginning here so the way human smuggling because a lot of people confuse human smuggling with human trafficking

two completely distinct crimes with human smuggling that's coming into the country illegally. These people want to come. They want to be a part of this whole thing. They're paying to be. Yes. Yeah.

So when people want to come here, nine out of ten times they have to go through a human smuggler to do it because you can't just like traverse, you know, into United States without some type of assistance, right? You're going to need smugglers. You're going to need an organization. You're going to need people that can, you know, facilitate smuggling you, bringing you in, then getting you housing as you're waiting

and then getting you another transport driver to bring you up north. so it winds up happening is with the aliens right typically they got to get to a transit location whether it's mexico the bahamas etc if we're going to do maritime versus doing land border but we'll just focus on land border now so they get to Mexico let's say they get to Mexico city they stage from there they pay their smuggler then that smuggler is responsible for getting them to a border town let's say a Nueva Laredo or a rhinos or whatever may be across from McAllen whatever it is right um so you get to um Nueva Laredo right they have you at a stage at a um at a stash house there while you're there obviously you pay that

stash house you they house you they feed you etc and then when it's safe with the cover of night or whatever um what's called the lanchero will get you across the border right or will get you across the river into united states once he gets them into united states now he's got to get them to the to a highway right because someone else is going to come and pick them up in a car right so the foot guide or the coyote he knows the area etc so he's driving him through a brush etc he knows the sensors are. He knows where border patrol patrols so that they don't get caught. He gets him to the road, one of these rural highways. A smuggler comes, picks them up from there, takes them to a stash house. Now they're dealing with the U.S.-based version of the organization.

They get to a stash house somewhere in Laredo, a real bravo, one of these little rinky dink towns in South Texas. They wait there until their family pays the next portion to move them up north. From there, they got to get off the southwest border. They got to get out of what's called the functional equivalent of the border. And this is why there's a border. And this is why there's border patrol checkpoints all across the southwest border about 30 miles out because that all counts as the functional equivalent to border and that's where border patrol's authority kind of ends so um you know you look at like um like on interstate highway 35 there's a checkpoint 29 right 29 miles into the united states on interstate highway 35 there's a border patrol checkpoint um where they're running dogs

and everything else like that and that's the last line of defense because once you make it past that border patrol checkpoint you're pretty much good to go yeah because they can't ask for papers they can't exactly because no other agency once you get past the southwest border has immigration authority except for ice but is immigration cause enforcement icero going to run around and pick everybody up no a lot of these aliens they don't even know they made it in so the the stash house operator's job once they get into the united states is to get them out of the house and pass one of these checkpoints immediately because if they can get them to san antonio or houston or houston or one of these like transit locations um they're pretty much scoffrey uh so once they get them there

they get to San Antonio from there typically the family members come and pick them up and then prices vary for the legal aliens how much they pay to get smuggled depending on where they're from like Chinese pay a lot of money Arabs pay a lot of money rush to pay a lot of money these are a lot of money um so Chinese national is going to pay something between 30 to 60,000 dollars coming to the United States we all love betting sports but let's be honest sometimes you need a little more action once the game ends that's where my bookies live casino comes in it's not just about spinning reels and hoping for a jackpot. The live casino is basically like having Vegas in your pocket. Whether it's Baccarat, roulette, or my personal favorite, blackjack. You've got

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dollars and and that's because uh they got to pay that that's called the cota they got to pay that to the to the cartels because the human smuggling organizations typically aren't cartel members if that makes sense they operate on cartel territory and the cartels don't like to deal with human smuggling as much because it's a very dirty business and it's very um labor intensive right so what they do is they just tax the hell out of the human smugglers now some of them absolutely do a deal with human smuggling. But when I was there on a Southwest border, the human smugglers kind of like were their own contractors. They operated in the Zetas territory. So they just paid them an amount for every illegal alien that crossed the river. And they can make more money doing that because they don't

got to deal with the bodies, paying for smugglers, housing them, feeding them, all this other stuff, all the humanitarian crap. So they would just, you know, sell the drugs. They would deal with the drugs more and then tax the human smugglers. Chinese are paying easily like 60K. The, you know, Arabs are paying like 60 to 100,000 Russians. Those are considered exotic. basically any if you're an illegal alien from a country that's like on a watch list or anything like that they're going to charge you more so these are guys are still they're still coming into Mexico coming across the border right yeah I can't imagine where else they're going to come across Caribbean too so when I was in Miami a lot of maritime smuggling they'd go to the

Bahamas they'd stage in Bimini and then they'd take that you know a boat captain will come from Miami to come pick them up from there and then bringing them in how long how long were you down there in Laredo Texas I was there from 2014 to 2018, and then I switched over, I changed field offices from Laredo, Texas to Miami. Why? Dude, being on the South of those border sucks, you want to get off as soon as you can. Like, after you do like three to five years, they let you transfer out because it's very, I remember there were days where I'd go to work on like a Monday.

I want to get home until like Thursday. Like you're working a lot, right? They're overworking you. So because you're doing duty calls, you're on call all the time because these calls happen all the time where they're smother trolls catching people smuggled aliens they're catching people on the on at the bridge with drugs so you're constantly doing uh reacting to the ports and um you know getting these calls and stuff like that so very it's good though because i learned a lot in only four years like i did more cases a hundred arrested like literally hundreds of thousands of people like that's not hundreds of thousands but hundreds to a thousand easily um because you're encountering leo aliens are accounting smugglers are encountering drug traffickers are encountering every all kinds of different

types of people so um so yeah like I learned a lot so when I went to Miami I like was able to hit the ground running when I got to Miami okay so do you think real quick than we move to Miami but sure uh do you think that they could do you think it's possible for them to actually like close the border to where almost nobody I mean there's somebody's always going to get across yeah of course of course of course um it's going to be very difficult to do without like military assistance which you know they can't i think it's called posse comataz or whatever like the military can't come in and be involved with law enforcement operations this is why like we would have like um national guard guys helping us out in the counter

drug and also with exploitation through the hero program but like they don't carry guns like they just kind of assist from an analytical perspective they're like intel analysts but they can't really do much else from like the law enforcement perspective so yeah i mean without military intervention it would be very difficult because um border patrols almost always understand It's hard to keep guys on a border for HSI. So, you know, they're the criminal investigator. So you would need more border patrol agents and you'd have to involve the military to a degree too because it's tough, man. And you're talking about like just so much open land space where they're able to kind of come in and all these rural areas.

It's huge, man. Yeah, I was going to say. It's like I was going to. It's so huge. Like people don't know this too. Like illegal aliens that try to come in a lot of times, they end up getting like, if they don't have like good foot guide or the foot guide leaves them. Like, they die out there all the time. They'll get lost, yeah.

All the time. Well, I was going to say, plus it's a desert. Like, if you got to, that's why when we were talking about, like, they have to get you to this point, at this point. I'm thinking, yeah, those are like base camps where they have water and food because you couldn't care enough water to sustain you trying to walk your own way all the way through. And that's if you knew. Yep.

You know, and it's easy to get lost out there, you know, because it's so easy. And then you got the, it's super hot. The sun's beating down on you. You got wild animals, et cetera. Like, dude, we would run into a situation all the time where, there'd be dead aliens out there in the brush and like we would give the person that smuggled them like a sentencing enhancement for that right because they would a lot of times they would just leave them there to die the the the foot guides all right so so when you so the first opportunity

you had to leave you took off you said I'm done I can't yeah yeah though I did enjoy it and I liked it um you know I was like you know what if I don't leave now um because there was it was a it was a rare announcement where they're like hey we're taking um guys that have three years or more they can get off the border. And I was like, if I don't take this opportunity now, who knows? Because I knew. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored ice coffee and delivery. The guys that were stuck on the border for like seven, eight, nine, ten years.

You know, so I was like, oh, shit. So I got, I got to get off while I can. So I applied to a couple different offices um Dallas Houston um Tampa funny enough Tampa um Miami for a lot of Dale Miami was my fifth pick but they took me so I accepted Miami um and then it's funny because Dallas was like my second pick and they called me but I had already accepted Miami it would have been life would have been so much different if it went to the Dallas office I'd probably still be working for the government if I went to Dallas field office so so in Miami what was what was Miami like did you show up there yeah so I get to Miami in 2018 you're not a rookie anymore either. Yeah. Yeah, like I got some gray hairs. I get there in 2018, I had the ground running, right? I remember, like, my first day on, we had a call, like, this Cuban guy had smuggled, like, 10 or 13 aliens or whatever. So, you know, I volunteered to take the case on my, because I'm the new guy, because they got like a duty call, right? Coast Guard calls, hey, now you're not doing Border Patrol anymore. You're dealing with Coast Guard, right? So Coast Guard calls, we show up, this Cuban guy, I take the case. I take the case. And

case. And it was easy because I had done like, I remember when I was on a border in Laredo, like, I'd be on duty, right? I'd get like three or four calls. I'd have to take all those cases. And then I'm like writing up criminal complaints, two o'clock in the morning, about to go to sleep, half asleep. And then I got to show up to court at nine o'clock with all the prisoners. So, you know, going to Miami was like a refreshing change because it was way easier. So like I would always volunteer and take cases. And then I also was able to run more proactive cases too, which I had done like big organized crime proactive cases in Laredo, but in Miami I had more ability to do so because we didn't get bogged down as badly with response calls. Okay. So how long,

I mean, how long did you work in Miami? Is this, it's more that it's, it's kind of more to 2020. So from 2018 to 2020 and one that up happening is like that's where the, um, Fresh and Fit chapter begins because I had started the Fresh Fit podcast while I was working for the government. Right. So people always say, right. So how does that kick? How, how, yeah i was going to say how do you even come about thinking like that like that that is such a well i don't know it's kind of it's still kind of the macho thing but it still doesn't to me i don't see agents thinking hey i this is something i like how does that even come about sure sure um so um this is no way so 2019 so i get there 2018 i having a great time whatever um i end up getting

into like um some BS right some like um this club made this allegation against me that I got into like a fight inside of their nightclub right and internal affairs opens an investigation mind you I had never went inside the club ever like I didn't do anything but the bouncers I don't know what it was I had been there before they didn't like me I'm walking outside they fucking tackle me say all this stuff and basically long story short it gets to my superiors and they say that I was at this club and I started trouble with with a with a dancer like it was a strip club and I was like what the hell like that's not me at all like I don't even pay like number one when I do go to trip clubs I'll never spend a dollar

talk to the regular girls because you know we're anti-simple over here so I was like this bullshit but of course with everything they have to investigate it right so internal affairs opens an internal investigation on me and one of my buddies so I'm like damn this is like very scary because you're like what the hell like these dudes lie on my name I never did this like now I'm the subject of internal affairs investigation I have an impeccable record I've never done anything bad I've always had the most reports were in most arrests I'm like one of the rock star agents right um and at the time i had a really a big case so i'm like you know what dude i'm never going to have someone be able to control like my livelihood so i say you know what i'm gonna

because i was really into fitness so i was like you know i'm going to start a fitness business so i go ahead and i get um outside employment paperwork uh outside employment authorization i get it um signed off to be a fitness and life coach so i start you know coaching people online start my fitness business is doing really well i start making as much if not more money than I did when I was working for the government. With the government, I was making, like, I was like a GS-13, one or two at this point. I was making like 120K per year. I was going to say cash, no.

Like more, they destroyed me with taxes. But yeah, I was making like 120K or so per year, which is good money for me because I'm like a minimalist. I don't buy nothing expensive. Even though I'm in Miami, I don't wear jewelry and that's stupid shit. So it was great for me. I was paying low rent. Back then in 2018, I was paying like $1,700 to live in Brickle, which now if you try to get

that same apartment, it's like $3K. Because, like, COVID, like, changed everything. But that's all the conversation. But anyway, Miami was very cheap back then. So, uh, so I get this business business and I'm making as much if not more, making like 150, $160K per year with just my other side business. So the internal investigation six months later, I get cleared. They find out that the fucking bounces of the shit were lying on me, whatever.

So I get cleared. Um, but it was really annoying because like, like, you know, you go through that uncertainty. Like, what the fuck? I never did anything. Um, but I realized like, okay, if I want to agree. grow my fitness business, I need to get on social media, namely YouTube, right? Instagram isn't enough because I was just only,

I was doing everything through Instagram. But YouTube is a search engine as well as a, a video sharing engine. So I was like, you know, let me get on YouTube. So I started a YouTube channel or I started giving like fitness tips. Now I started getting consultations. And this is what year? This is, this is now 2020.

Okay. This is 2020. And the pandemic is in now. This is like literally, this is like spring of 2020. Pandemic is like full on. Government shut down. down, et cetera. Now, I was still working, because I had a really big national security case at the time. So I was doing both, right? I was doing, so I'd literally be like, because, you know,

you couldn't go to the office. So I'd be like, what was the big case? I'm sorry. It was a, it was a case, a human smuggling case of basically with Sri Lankans and Canada. They were basically the scheme was they were smuggling Sri Lankans into United States using fraud, our immigration system for fraud, claiming Osama's other crap. Then they were all going to Toronto. So I was working it with the Turks and Kakos Police Department, National Police, Royal Police, as well as the RCMP and the CBSA. So it was a very big case because, you know, Sri Lankans are, well, that's a whole other conversation.

But I was doing that. Sneaky? No, like, um, sophisticated? There was, there was links, there was links to a certain organization, which I can't say right now. I'll tell you off camera, but, but yeah, that's made it more, you know. Higher profile. Yes.

Yes. yeah for sure um which i think the case i don't know if the case is still active some of my criminal complaints are still out there i think we because i remember when i was there we arrested the main guys but i don't know if they expanded and continued on because it was like a big deal was like a whole big fucking conspiracy with this stuff but um so i was doing this case right and i was so i'd like be home i'd be working on my government laptop writing reports and stuff then i'd like go do some my fitness stuff then i go back and do that so like i was just like working all the time right like um no girlfriend i had some chicks i was dealing with but like nothing serious man nothing

serious because i was just so focused so um you're working 80 80 90 hours yeah it kind of excludes you know yeah unless they're just swinging by yeah for a couple hours and leaving exactly exactly so um so i'm doing this case um running my business as well a lot of it was remote because obviously it everything is locked down we're talking this is what may april or so of 2020 we're pretty much in full lockdown mode at that point. In Miami, I know we shut down right around March. I make my YouTube videos, fitness stuff, whatever. And then

I noticed, like, I also started taking on consoles. And a lot of guys asked me questions about girls. And, you know, I was doing pretty well with the ladies in Miami because, you know, if you can get girls in Miami, you can get them anywhere. Because some of the, it's like hard mode. You know what I mean? In Miami. Unless you're paying for it. But if, but I wasn't paying for it. Right. I don't believe in tricking.

So, you know, a lot of guys asked me for like dating tips or whatever. And I was like, damn, okay. I should probably help guys with this as well because I noticed that want to get in shape to get girls but like guys were doing dumb shit with the girls and like simping and you know getting taken to the cleaners so i was like man we need to not just teach these guys how to get in shape but we also need to teach these guys how to like understand how to deal women then i figured out that a lot of guys would be struggling with the girls because they're also

broke so i'm like man we need to start a podcast where we just like help guys out with their dating and self-improvement so then bam press a podcast we launched um october of 2020 um and a month later. That's when I started filming my videos. I did that for like six months. I did the same thing. Was it? Probably. No, no, no. It definitely was because it was a

It was. It had to be probably because I know I started learning about YouTube during the pandemic during the lockdown and I know you did it were and I met you probably eight months to a year into it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think six or eight months. Yeah, yeah, you're right. It was about the same time. That's funny.

I mean, I just feel like you guys, well, You guys have obviously had a lot more success. But anyway, but anyway, yeah. Because when you started, when you were said 2020, I was thinking like, I don't know why. I just felt like, because as soon as I started paying attention to YouTube, I had already was coming across your videos. Okay. Very quickly. Yeah.

No, we started. Our first podcast was October 26th, 2020. Cameras were all blurry and shit and we didn't know what we were doing. But me and my buddy, Fresh, Walter. So we started the podcast. That was the first episode. And then I get this new apartment. I buy all this equipment.

Spent like $40K on all the equipment and getting the studio set up, et cetera. At this other apartment down the street. I wasn't even living there yet. Like I had just like got everything set up. And then a month later, I get an email and internal affairs again. Hey, you got to come in for an interview. I'm like, what the fuck? Like I didn't do shit.

So I go there, right? Because at this point, I'm like, I'm pro with this stuff. Right? I'm like, I already know what's going to happen. Like, you know, they're going to bring me in. They're going to read me my, they give you like these like, amended rights because like as a government employee like you can't like take the fifth it's it's administrative it's not criminal so you can't like be like i take the fifth amendment like no bro like

you got to go in there and answer the questions so i'm like whatever so i go and they take my phone and i'm like what the fuck so in my head i'm like why'd they take my phone then i was like oh my god they probably think i'm like filming content on my phone which i was insulted because the government you know they're always like three or four generations line so they take by like iphone six and i'm like you fucking assholes if you guys see my youtube videos there i'm using 4K and shit because I had a videographer I was hiring right right to like do my stuff because I like I did the podcast and I also did like um like pre-recorded videos and like the guy would bring in was really expensive because he'd come in with like the 6K camera so I was like really

insulted I was like do these guys really think I'm over here recording content in this fucking shitty ass phone did you know it was about the podcast when you got there no I didn't know what it was for okay like I assumed like I was like okay it's got to be because of what I'm saying on the podcast whatever because I was you know me I'm very honest I'm like bro you guys can't simp you got to like be the leader you got to be dominant obviously we live in this pusified world we're being politically correct as everything so they so they didn't even interview me they just took the phone i was like what the fuck so at that point i'm like okay they got to be thinking i'm like recording shit or whatever on my thing but like i was actually really um and i've never said

this before like i was so ready like if they did the interview to go in there with like all my fucking reports and like all my um like because i had made that case like an osada f case that national security case for those that aren't aware there's some there's a program called organized crime drug enforcement task force ocf um and if you get your case designated as ocdive case it's a big fucking deal all right right you get uh you get a case number from the department of justice it's a priority for the united states attorney's office you're getting all kinds of resources et cetera not only was an ocf case but it also was like um something called like uh i won't say exactly what it is but like I think I'll just say a very special case under hSI okay right they have like these

case designations that you can get special funding for your case because it was national security case and um it was a OSTAF case so if they had brought me in to like say yeah we have information that you're like doing this podcast and like potential on government time I'd literally say fuck you guys these are 70 reports of investigations I've written on this case here's my OSDAF case number like I'm fucking working and I'm outpacing every single agent in this office because at the time I had the like the number one or number two case in the fucking office. So if they had like brought me in to say that shit, I would have like totally shit on them. Like you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Go look at my R-Oyes,

go look at my reports. Because that's the real way to know if an agent's working. Like the go-getter guys, they're writing a lot of reports. They have confidential informants signed up. They got source of information. So I was literally ready to go in there and just tear them a new one. If they even dared say, oh, are you using government time to like to do your business? I'm like, fuck you like I'm because the other thing too of these internal affairs agents nine out of ten times because what ends up happening is they rotate in right so they're hSI agents but then they get rotated into something called the office of professional responsibility they do it for like five years then they rotate back into hSI FBI the same way FBI has something called the inspection

division they're FBI agents they investigate their own they're obviously in another office they don't like they you know have their whole other chain of command etc but um but yeah like you know because a lot of these OPR guys didn't do shit when they were agents. Like, they're just like, want to push gig. They don't want to work at eight to five, eight to four, chill. Because internal investigations are always administrative. They're never criminal is bullshit. So I was going to get in there and just shit on them.

If they even dare to fucking say, are using government time to fucking run your business. Like, fuck you guys. But anyway, um, yeah, like. Don't hold back. Yeah. Like, not that it upset you. Yeah. Cause it would piss me up.

Because like, and anyone that's like in 1811 knows exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone that's FBI or DEA, whatever, you guys know exactly what I'm talking and I say OSEF case. Like, that's a big fucking deal. So anyway, you're ready to do battle. Yeah, I'm ready to do battle, right? Because I'm like, yeah, because they've already brought me in before on some bullshit and I got cleared.

So I was like, bro, I'm like, whatever, you guys want to bring me in on this other shit? Because I was convinced as someone like snitch and said, look, this guy's making YouTube videos on government time or some bullshit like that. But you've already been given permission to basically have us. And I had authorized employment paperwork in the thing. So I was good. Like, I was ready to go to war with these idiots if they even brought me in on that. Right? Because I knew I was in the right. And I had my work to show for it. So no one could tell me anything about like, what are you doing with your time? Like, fuck you guys. But the other thing too, where was I going with this? Oh, so they bring me in for that, right? I give him my phone. Then I found out. So the next day I have a meeting with my special agent in charge. All the brass is there. They bring me in. Hey, what are you doing on your YouTube? Right. That's not when I found out. It was my YouTube.

Like, yeah. YouTube? Yeah. Are we having a conversation here about YouTube? Yeah. That's what it was. dude like and um it's funny because so the special agent in charge the assistant special agent in charge the deputy special agent in charge like four ranks above me they're all in this room right like you know they're like what are you doing man you know what's going on here and you know i explained i'm like yeah i got this i got this podcast that i'm doing um i got people that rely on me et cetera and he's like okay look this we're going to do i'm going to rescind your author authorization paperwork and I'm like, what? Because now I can't run my business anymore. Because that's what, like, I was, because I did everything above board. What are they saying the issue is? They're saying it's your

YouTube. They didn't know exactly what because obviously OPR didn't tell them, but they knew I had something to do with my, with my YouTube, right? I would think that that's important. Like, you can't just say, oh, you're, you're not saying you can't have a YouTube or you're saying there's got to be something specific that I'm doing. Like, what is it I'm done? This is what they said. They said, look, you got a clearance. You got to testify. You got a big case, you can't be on internet saying certain things. I'm thinking it's probably because I'm like saying shit like, don't be a simp, you know, don't be a sucker, like stuff like that, which, you know, even though like for us, right,

as creators, we might be like, that's not that serious. But for them, right, as a government employee, they're like, oh, bro, you can't do that. So whatever. And this is 2020. This is like before, you know, we got the craziness right now, like with Cash Patel coming in and everything else. Yeah, yeah. This is almost the height of kind of the woke fucking, like there was, there was a couple

years there keep mind i got out of prison yeah and i and and woke was just coming up so over the next few years i'm i'm i mean i'm sitting back going this is a different fucking world not just technologically but the mindset of these fucking guys yeah and women in just everybody's in fucking same yeah and this is november so so so so biden won like biden's in right right so like so this is um this is like no yeah this is november when i got this email and then I got this email I go to the OPR office they take my phone next day they call me in for a meeting um hey what's going on with is YouTube etc it's your YouTube blah blah and they're telling me like dude just because these are government in place career long government

in place they don't know anything about making money on the internet they don't know anything about in marketing whatever so them like dude just let this shit go because they're thinking it's like a hobby right they don't know how much money I'm making right doing it um so they're like dude just like let it go man you got a big case like whatever because they didn't want me to leave Like, they were like, you know, we're going to take this paperwork away because obviously we got to see what the hell happens with this OPR investigation. But, but, you know, just, dude, just leave it, bro. It's not that serious. Or, you know, and he said, you know, I'll revisit this after the OPR investigation is done.

But here's a problem. That could take up to six months. Right. Right. So I got to be off YouTube for six months. And at this point, I got employees. A guy had just went from Chicago, came to Miami to work with us. And then my partner, Fresh, he had quit his job.

He had a job that he hated and he quit it. And he was the most happy I'd ever seen him. right meanwhile i'm like man i don't want to leave my job because i loved it um so i had a real tough decision to make so i go back and forth with them like we work something out blah blah they're like no we're we're sending your paperwork so they basically put me in a position where i was like i either have to resign right and um you know take go pick my business or um i work for the government and i can't do anything are they were they when you when you made that decision or the fact that you were even contemplating it were they in shock that that that

was it because they must have been like oh we'll rescind it he'll do he'll do what he's supposed to do he's obviously he's got 10 years in he's not going to fucking walk away from 10 years of yeah they were banking on me leaving my business yeah they were like at what 20 years you can retire yeah so at 20 years 25 for me because I came in early but yeah 55 I'm done I mean it's like or 45 I'm done who's gonna walk he's not going to walk away from that because they have no idea that hey there's behind all of this behind the the content the attention it and the I mean the exposure is no No, there's actually, I'm making money.

And I'm making money doing something I love. Yeah. And nobody's ever going to shoot at me. Yeah. Yeah, they had no idea, right? Government employees, like, have no idea how to make money on internet. So, like, to them, they couldn't even fathom it. So, like, I'm pretty sure.

Like, when they said that, they're like, yeah, he's going to, he's got a big case. He's one of the best agents in this office. He's not going to fucking do no bullshit. He's going to leave. But no, I ended up, I'll never forget, man. I made the decision. I'm like, yo, I'm going to resign. And they were told me, are you sure?

Blah, blah, blah. bunch of people called me people back from texas were calling me what the fuck are you doing don't leave you know this is a great job are you sure like you're going to do this because like to them like government employees can't fathom like leaving a steady paycheck you get a take home car making a six figures a year benefits you know it was a great job dude like i even now i think about it every day like i never wanted to leave i never wanted to leave but um they kind of put me in that spot and the reason why i left really was because i had people depending on me i i you know and i'm not afraid to admit this if i don't have people depending on me i probably

probably wouldn't have left the government. Right. I probably wouldn't have left that. I probably would have said, you know, fuck it, it is what it is. Yeah, I made some money in my business business. I'll get a started backup after this investigation is done and I get cleared. But I had people depending on me at that point.

So I was like, I can't just take six months off the internet because they left their jobs. Right. So I ended up betting on myself, December 5th, I'll never forget. I walked into the office. I turned in all my gear. I turned in my vest, badge, credentials. It was literally one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, man, when I had to go. and turn in all my stuff and turn in my government car and then I went home and then

we just went full full in with the podcast. Yeah. So yeah. So at that point, you know, it was, it was sink or swim with the podcast. Right. I got all that. Yeah. Well, it's not like, so if you left in, it's not like you left in bad standing, right?

No, I could, you could apply. You could, you could apply to get a position again. Yeah, no, I left on good standing. You know, I didn't, I didn't like, you know, berate them and say, screw you guys or any of that stuff you know i left um you know obviously you know amicably some people try to say i got fired on i'm like dude no you're an idiot like i literally gonna say that yeah people are stupid um but no i i ended up leaving um very amicably and and that's the other thing too because people say all the time you don't use your real name the reason why i don't use my real name i want to make sure i get

the whole story out there is because i have a very unique name it's ammerer photo if you google me like my real name you'll see criminal complaints come back of cases that i've done so i was like okay if i'm going to go ahead and do this fitness business and i'm going to go ahead and be like on the internet probably not smart for me to use my real name which is like very unique and no one has it that where someone can google and find all my criminal case stuff so because i didn't want people to know what i did like for my real job so um that's why i used that name for so long then obviously it's stuck after after the fact okay yeah people try to say you change your government name no i didn't people are stupid because i had to clear it and stuff so yeah that's why i use

that the stage name myron gains while i was working how'd you how'd you come up with myron gains oh um it's a play on words myron gains like from the bodybuilding dot com forms from what trolling like the misk on the bodybuilding dot com forms like i was no idea what that means you myron my gains it's it's a plan words oh oh yeah it's a plan words okay like from a decade ago it's funny shit but back then like disease era for those that are familiar we're probably watching us so you were friends with uh fresh beforehand how How did you guys? Did you meet him in Miami? Yeah, so he was in Miami. I was in Miami.

I met him through another YouTuber, a guy named Solo TV 84. Because I was making like dating slash fitness slash red pill content. And Solo was in that community. And he had known Fresh because he had done a collab with him before. At the time, Fresh was doing pranks, like Gold Digger Pranks. So we ended up coming together and like talking about dating in Miami. And people really liked it. Because at the time, there were dating channels, but there weren't.

really dating channels like focus on like Miami or like dating into the United States like some of the biggest YouTube channels that like focus on dating it's all passport bro stuff right so there weren't many channels that were like devoted to like dealing with like American westernized women because like most of the most prominent dating coaches like already left which I don't blame them like you know the West kind of sucks but I think that's another reason why people really like is because like we had good production starting out and we covered dealing with women in America and then in one of the toughest cities of Miami. Okay.

So. And we also brought social media in as well, like how much social media impacts dating in 2020. Well, now it 2025, but back then. From the, from the get go, was it the roundtable with all the girls or would that evolve? Like what's the, yeah. Sure, no, great question. Yeah. So it started, it started with us just like doing like episodes where we were just talking about like dating, like getting your credit on the point, getting, getting money, getting in shape.

Right? Just improving as a man. And then one day, me and Fresh have done like a double date with these girls, right? And we don't really drink. I mean, now we pretty much quit drinking all the way. But I remember, like, we had a couple of drinks this night. And we had the girls in the studio. And first is like, bro, he looks at me. And he's like, you know, you can see that he's like leaning on.

He's like, we should turn the cameras on and go live now. I'm like, what? Bro, it's like 11 o'clock at night. What are you talking about? It's like, let's just do it. So I was like, all right. So we just like went fucking live. What were you having such a, was it just a good conversation or were these two girls just like?

Yeah, we were like, chatting up with the girls talking about some shit. Okay. Because they were like, it was like, like, girls that we knew. So it was like, it was like whatever. And we just like turned the show on and we just like turn a camera on and just started talking with the chicks and people enjoyed it. And then like we just started bringing girls on a show and expanded from there. But that's how it started. How many, how many views were all, initially were your videos getting?

Um, so we were getting, um, man. So 2020, I remember we had like, Rollo Tamasi come on in like February of 2021-ish. We had like 20,000 subscribers back then. And then we were getting a couple of thousand. And then, yeah, I mean, we really started to grow. Kevin Samuels had come on. He was blowing up at the same time. You know, rest of the peace to him.

Yeah, I can't believe he. that bro he seemed like like that's like in i was when i heard he died i was like oh he's not like he's not like he's old and he looked like he was in good shape like yeah yeah crazy shocking yeah um yeah without that hit us all uh crazy like we just collab with like all the big names in a red pill man and like we just grew because i think the thing with us was like we were young and we were in the game and we were in a major city in united states talking about this stuff and we really like um we were talking about social media as well and how that impacts women um so So I think that alongside like collabing with these guys and then also kind of having like a more talk show atmosphere and bringing girls in.

Like that just helped us really like grow and propel because like we brought a lot of these guys on it. And then also it's like a very serious problem for a lot of guys like a lot of guys like really struggle with women and like getting out there and dating. So like we were kind of just out there calling it like it is and telling guys what it is when it comes to the dating marketplace because and then also TikTok blew us up. That's another thing that blew us up. I forgot to mention. Is there a vetting process for the girls? You know how we're talking off camera like you know. I don't handle it at all.

I have a buddy that, that does that. Like, I don't deal with the girls whatsoever. So, like, a lot of times, like, I'll just walk into the studio and they'll be there. And I'll just, like, sit down and just, we film. Yeah. I don't even know who they are, nothing. Like, I don't, yeah. How do you guys do that?

We bring girls on three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We film Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We do our, like, Money Mondays, then we do Womanizer Wednesdays, and we do, like, calling show Friday or a special guest. And then the girls are after our, so we do six shows a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. The daytime show, then the nighttime show. How many hours are you videoing a week? Oh, man.

Well, now that I do my talk show as well? I'm usually filming like five, six hours of content a day. Jeez, I thought we were smashing them out. Yeah. And you have to think we schedule like seven or eight a week, four people show, maybe four or five. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What I'm dealing with, these guys are. People are idiots, yeah.

Yeah, you know, they. We were supposed to have a podcast this morning before he came. Yeah, he didn't show. We have somebody on schedule tomorrow, and he's. He just hasn't responsible. responded at all. I've already taken them off the schedule. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I sent you four emails, like, four text messages. You're not responding.

Crazy, yeah. That's absolutely crazy. That's why like, for me, I was like, when I locked in, I was like, yeah, I'm coming up, you know, I was just pissed off at the airline, but that has nothing to do with you guys. How was Ian's? Uh, was it? Ian Bick? You want to Ian Bick? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. Um, I was in Connecticut. Um, I was there, because that's where my folks are at, and I hit him up. I was like, hey, man, I'm in town we could do something. And yeah, it was great

talking with him. I brought him on my show. Um, very very cool story that he has um but no he's cool man one of the nicest guys um what no because big is great yeah no i was gonna say because you were you would agree to come on here and then we couldn't whatever for whatever reason uh we couldn't you know get you here and then one day i turn it on and boom you're on ians and i went oh that was because i was home but my folks like live like did this guy fly up to connecticut no and you i and bick yeah no no no No, I can see why you'd be mad. Yeah, no, because where he films is literally right next door to where my parents live.

So I had went home. Why did I go back up there to see my mom? Like, I hadn't seen her in a bit. So, and he films right there. So I was like, oh, okay. So I went two towns over and he was right there. Do you vacation? Do you like take a break of a hey, bro?

I'm not filming this week. No, man. Never. Very rare. No, no, I can't. Actually, I can't think of the last time I went like a week without filming. No. Yeah, because you're posting so much.

Yeah, no. It's insane. Like, we thought, like, everybody I know, okay, so I've got a buddy of mine, Julian Dory, and Danny Jones, and, you know, they, they do, like, one show, one show a week. Uh-huh. And then, you know, and they, but they also get half a million. Yeah. These guys get, like, if you post less, like, you'll get more views. Right.

Because, like, the scarcity, like, forces people to watch the content. Right. But, you know, we weren't, we were doing that. And, but we just weren't. we just weren't making enough to pay all of our bills. We ramped it up and it started doing better and we just haven't ramped it back down. We just never ranked it back down. It's just continued.

It's like four weeks. Four weeks that are probably between an hour to two and a half hours. Yeah. I genuinely think that more content is typically better than less because it gives you more opportunities to go viral and then also like it shows consistency. And then like when you're constantly posting and you're consistent man, like the algo is going to just pick you up. Like, you know, some people are able to get away.

with posting once a week, especially like the bigger names or whatever, but... Yeah, we got more shots that hit the bull's eye. Yeah, sometimes an interview we don't think is going to go viral.

Gets 500,000 views. Yeah, we got one the other day. It's got... I mean, what's the one... It's past 500,000. And not only that, like, the more interviews you do, the more you can, like,

we got a bunch of clips here that you can use. Like, you can literally, like, cut chops parts up into this and go viral. Oh, no, as you're talking, I'm thinking that's a clip. That's a clip. I can typically glance over

at Colby, and you can see his hand, Like, that's a clip. Yeah, and then it's... Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size.

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each clip. All right. You guys. And stockpiles, too. Like, there's, I mean, okay, you can have 52 episodes in a year or now we have 400. You do that for three years. And it's like, we have viral clips on all these videos that we used to not clip that we're going back.

Let's pull these clips. Yeah, yeah. No, it's great, man. The thing is, is that, like, you know, for a lot of people, you know, they might be lazy. It might be they just don't want to do it or they have other projects. But I genuinely believe, like, you know, you just got to be consistent to put a lot of content on and you're going to blow up like there's no way like you know i mean you hit the i'll go more and more like you're just going to grow do you think anything's going to come up uh

the government file files like jfk files epstein files think anything comes to that the question is do i think they're going to they're going to declassify it yeah do you think you're going to declassify is there going to be any significant information that comes out with all this declassification yeah yeah so um okay let me first say who was responsible for killing jfk and then I'll go into what I think about the declassification. So JFK was hated by many people. A lot of people wanted them dead. The mafia, CIA, Zionist regime of Israel,

and obviously the deep state in general. So I'll go through why each one wanted him gone. CIA wanted him gone because he vowed to break it into pieces. He had issues with Dulles. He fired him. He had issues with Angleton. He felt like the CIA was just running wild. They were doing a bunch of stuff.

He didn't like their, you know, operas that they were doing. He didn't like that there are narco trafficking to fund their black ops, et cetera. He wanted to disband the CIA. The mafia wanted him gone because, so Kennedy's father promised that if the mafia assisted with getting John F. Kennedy elected and rigging the election in Illinois, they would back off and they would be able to continue and operate with, you know, in their secrecy, right? But JFK gets in, his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, attorney general. He's not a comeback, makes it his mission, goes after them, brings them in.

They're testifying. He's leading an aggression, an aggressive push against the mafia. Now, this was actually in contrast to what Hoover wanted to do because Hoover didn't like RFK and he didn't want to expose the mafia because the mayor of Lansky had compromising photos of him wearing heels. A lot of people don't know. J. Edgar Hoover was gay. Right. And he was a cross-dresser. He was a cross-dresser.

He was gay. was having an affair with his deputy director. So Hoover kind of was like, I don't want to mess with the mafia because they have these compromising pictures of me. And back then in the 60s, you know, some people might say, well, why did people care? The FBI is gay now. Back then in the 60s, you couldn't have a clearance if you were gay. And being the director of the FBI and being homosexual would have been a huge problem for you.

So that was problematic. So the mafia wanted him gone because they felt like he betrayed them after they helped them win the state of Illinois. Because it was a very close election. I think he ran against Nixon, was it? If I'm not mistaken? Yeah. I think he ran against.

Nixon so um because Nixon eventually ends up being uh winning after LBJ right yeah so yes and then LBJ um he wanted him dead too LBJ didn't like Kenny either and the only reason LBJ got in is because they brought LBJ in because they pretty much threatened him like look we want LBJ in if you don't bring them in we're going to expose the fact that you're having sex to all these women because JFK was a womanizer right he was a chat so um so a lot of people wanted them going oh and then Israel so this is the part that they never talk about right never heard the Israel part. Okay. So, and I'll talk about why they haven't shown you, they talked about the Israel part. So there was a couple of reasons why Israel wanted them gone. Israel was formulated in

1948. The first prime minister, Ben-Gurion, they fought very hard, obviously, you know, to create their state through a multitude of different skirmishes with the Palestinians. There were going to Haganah, which ended up becoming the IDF today, former terrorist organizations, but whatever, that's all of the conversation. The point is, is that Israel understood that they had barely survived a lot of these conflicts, and they had just lost in the Suez Canal crisis, right? Got embarrassed, et cetera. So they realized we need the nuclear bomb. One ended up happening was there was a factory out in Apollo, Pennsylvania, called Numeck. A guy named Shapiro ran it. They were illegally smuggling uranium from this plant destined for what was back then Palestine

to Israel. And they were doing nuclear testing and creating nuclear weapons, and they were testing it in Domona. And they were getting parts, they were working with the French to be able to do this. Kennedy sent a CIA guy over there because he suspected, because they had about 100 kilos missing of this uranium, to this area, and they tested the soil. The soil came back pretty pure as uranium. And the only place I could formulate uranium that pure back then in the 60s was this plant in Pennsylvania. So he pretty much puts it together. Israel's doing nuclear testing. And he knew that they wanted to get the nuclear weapon after the Suez Canal crisis in Egypt. So he tells Ben-Gurian, look, we have information that you guys are doing nuclear testing.

We need to do inspections, and you guys need to de-arm. Ben-Gurion panics. Doesn't want to do this. It creates like a fake, you know, nuclear site, whatever, to have the inspectors come in. Kenny sends the inspectors. He finds out that it was, you know, a sham factory. He finds us out. He says, these sons of bitches keep lying to me, et cetera.

So he kept putting pressure on Ben-Gurion to keep doing these nuclear testing. And he threatened to withhold aid from Israel. if they didn't give him the nuclear inspections. This was a few months before his death. On top of that, his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, was pushing to get the American Zionist Council to register under Farah, the Foreign Agent Registration Act. Now, this would have had to force the Zionist lobby

to disclose where they were getting the money at. Why is that problematic? Well, it's problematic because you got guys like Bugsy Seagull, Marilansky, Murderink, et cetera, aka the Jewish Mafia, the Kosher Mafia. they were contributing quite a bit of money to the Zionist Council alongside Jewish businessmen. So you had legitimate Jewish money and you had also illegitimate and legitimate Zionist money coming into this organization to fund to send back to Israel.

But they didn't want to disclose that because a lot of it was illegal from the Sunborn Institute where you got Jewish gangsters and Jewish businessmen working together. And they wanted to put them under Ferrer. So with the nuclear inspections alongside the Ferret registration, that would have been a death blow to Israel because Israel is getting all its support from American Zionists. And then, mind you, prior to the nuclear stuff, they're also illegally smuggling surplus World War II weaponry from the United States to Israel.

That's how they're able to get the Palestinians out and win all these skirmishes is because of the weapons that got smuggled from the United States through South America destined for Palestine back then, despite the fact that there was an embargo act and they couldn't do that. So Israeli smuggling was super prevalent at post-World War II And then they eventually got the uranium over there And they got and they got the nuclear bomb

Which to this day Israel will never acknowledge That they have nuclear capability They have the nuclear bomb Right And a guy ended up Venunu a whistleblower ended up exposing this And he got put like into Israeli prison for like 10 years They did a honeypot on him and they put him in

He had a massage check They meet him in Italy And they and Mossad ended up kidnapping him there. But that's the guy that blew the whistle on the whole nuclear capability of Israel. That's all their conversation. But anyway, with JFK, so these two things would have absolutely impeded Israel's ability to exist. So they needed them gone.

So between the mafia, the CIA, and the Zionist council, they wanted them gone. And on November 22nd, when JFK was assassinated, in Dallas, Texas, the people that organized that meet was actually the Texas Citizen Council, which was overwhelmingly run by Zionist businessman, whether it's the guys that were funding it, et cetera, the guy that filmed it, Abraham Zuprooter, drew a Zionist, the guy that told Dallas PD to Purp Walk Oswald in front where he was eventually shot by Jack Rubinstein. It was a guy named Sam Bloom, Jew was Zionist. So there's Zionist fingerprints all over the JFK.

assassination um and a lot of people want them gone right they say oh oswald the shooter oswald was the shooter there was six other shooters there and i go into detail on this i did a whole video where we identify each shooter we talk about why they did what they did where they came from et cetera so it was like six shooters people on the grassy know people in the book depository people in a textile building so um the other thing also that's very important is there's the biggest movie that covers the jfk assassination is a movie JFK from in 1991 by Oliver Stone.

Oliver Stone is Jewish. His real last name is Silverstein. And then this is crazy, but the person that funded that film is a guy named Arna N. Milchan. Arna and Milchan is a billionaire Jewish Zionist who is a spy, self-admittedly.

He admitted that he was a spy on Israeli television and he was the one that funded JFK. If you watch the JFK film, they go into the CIA connection, they go into and maybe a little bit of mafia connection. But interestingly enough, the Israel connection is never mentioned. But then you look and you see, you know, the most popular movie on the JFK assassination

conveniently leaves out this critical element of people that wanted them dead, which was the Israeli connection. But then you look at who was involved in directing the movie and then you look at who was involved in funding the movie. Both Jews, one of them, a billionaire spy. So you think that when they release these, do you think that when they release the files, that that's going to come out?

you think that's just completely suppressed. Like that is one of the, I think that is one of the main reasons they've had the JFK files classified for so long because there's really connection. Yeah. There's, yeah,

I used to think, oh, well, they're waiting for certain people to die. The truth is like, everybody's fucking dead, what are you doing? And then also interesting.

So right after, right, because JFK also did other things too that people didn't like. He had executive order, I think 11, 11, zero where he wanted to get us

off the fiat currency, wanted to have the money backed by some type of precious metal. I think he wanted to back it by silver or whatever. He also was trying to get us out of the Vietnam War. He was trying to bring troops back. And, you know, obviously we know about the nuclear inspections, getting them registered under Farah. As soon as Kennedy died, Lyndon B. Johnson got sworn in. When Lyndon B. Johnson got sworn in, he turned around everything. He stopped the nuclear

inspections. He gave Israel the most amount of money that they've ever gotten. He stopped the Farah registrations, he became, I would say he's our support of Israel, where we're super supportive of, you know, Zionism, started with the Lyndon B. Johnson presidential administration and then continued onward. The USS Liberty, when those sailors got killed, 30 sailors got killed, when they got attacked by Israel, he made them all signed gag orders and not talk about it. But we were attacked that day by Israel. I actually had one of the guys on my show, Phil Turney, and he knew that it was Israel that

attacked, but that is suppressed from history where they came in. and they tried to do a false flag and blame it on the Egyptians. But yeah, Israel knew it was a U.S. warship or a spy ship and they still attacked it. Killed 30 sailors that day. A bunch of them got injured as well. And then Lindy B. Johnson was the president at the time,

made them all signed gag orders. They couldn't talk about it or get fired. Crazy. The huge cover-up, USS Liberty. You can look it up. But yeah. But Linda B. Johnson absolutely came in and changed everything around that Kenny had.

He stopped the executive order with the money, stopped their affair registration. Stop the Vietnam War from stopping. I was going to say dumped a ton of ton more troops. Yep. But it spent way, gave Israel way more funding. So, you know, and he kind of started this trajectory that we have with U.S. presidents with this unequivocal support of Israel.

It started with the Lindy-Johnson administration. Kenny was the last person to stand up to Israel and he died for it. Did that answer your question? Yeah. I think that's the main reason why they don't want to suppress that stuff. because if the American people knew... Or that they've been suppressing it, you mean? Yeah, that's why they've been suppressing it.

If the American people knew that the CIA worked with a foreign government to kill a former sitting U.S. president, you know, the government distrust is already an all-time high. Right. You know, so if they expose that, you know. And then Epstein, we know what he was. He was a Mossad asset compromising politicians for the betterment of Israel. the Attorney General for, excuse me,

the United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who presided over West Palm Beach when Epstein was there because the FBI was doing investigations on him all this time. He was told, stand down, he's intelligence. And he said this in an interview later on after he left the Department of Justice. So Epstein was absolutely being protected by high-level people. And, you know, this is the first time you look at someone like a Jonathan Pollard. He spot on the United States.

You know, he gave, he was probably the worst spy ever, worse than Chris Hansen, who was former FBI. He gave away so many of our secrets to the Russians. And he ended up getting pardoned. And he got flown in a plane in a private jet all the way to Israel. And he was met at the tarmac by Benjamin and Yahoo. This is a guy that sold some of our most important secrets. Israeli spy.

But, you know, there's clearly a double standard when it comes to our greatest ally versus, you know, other spies. But yeah, man, absolutely crazy. When did you start the True Crime Channel and how is it doing? It's going well. So I started that channel a couple of years. ago. I started it like in 2023 or 2022. I think 2023, like late or maybe it was the end of 2022, Christmas Day. So it used to, I also, I used to only film on it once a week. Sunday. I just do a reaction. But now I do, I change it to political and cultural commentary. I go Monday to Friday,

5 p.m. And then I do the true crime episode on Sunday. Same channel. Same channel. Myron Gaines X on everything. Okay. On Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Rumble. And I do the true crime episodes on Sunday specifically. A lot of content for you to be knowledgeable in all the situations. Are you just educating yourself, consuming it all yourself, or do you have someone helping you curate, hey, this is what's going on? Like, you know, or is this your self-interest? It's just myself, man.

I watch a lot of documentaries. The hell, I was watching a documentary on, like, the military industrial complex, like, while I was on the way here, I always stay up on the news, what's going on, like, with politics and stuff like that. Like, Israel's planning an attack on Iran imminently in the next couple of months. months here probably, you know, with or without the U.S. support, they want to get rid of their nuclear facilities because they think that they have nuclear weapons, even though Israel has them. Well, Israel wants to be the only country in the Middle East that has them is really

what it comes down to. Oh, funny story, by the way. Remember that guy of Vinunu that I told you about? How he got caught? The gunnui was the guy that was the whistleblower that Israel has nukes. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, funny story. The honeypot. Yes, the guy that got caught with the honeypot. He went to Epstein's book club on Monday. Jim on Tuesday Date night on Wednesday Out on the town on Thursday Quiet night in on Friday

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He went to him to try to tell the story. That guy worked for Mossad. He's the one that told Galane Maxwell's father, aka Epstein's probably father-in-law, I guess, because even though they were basically married, even though they say they weren't. Glenn Maxwell's father is the one that turned in Vanunu because Glenn Maxwell's father worked for Mossad.

And he said, hey, this guy has information on Nuke's. He has 55 pictures. He's trying to put out to the news. go get him. And they honeypot on him and got his ass and put him in jail. He's alive now. But he converted to Christianity and I think he left. But he's the one that blew a wide open. Is he alive still in Israel? No, no. He's somewhere else. I don't know if he's still alive now. But yeah, he spent like 10 years like in Israeli prison. He went to like a secret court and everything. They treated him like a spy. But he was the whistleblower on it. But he originally went with the story to Glenn Maxwell's father who ran like a newspaper or some kind of media.

and he blew the whistle because he worked for Assad told him, hey, this guy has the nuclear stuff. And the reason why Israel will never acknowledge that they have nuclear weapons is because that would forbid them from getting foreign aid from us. There was an act, I think, from like 1973, like a nuclear, a nuclear act where... Perfilation. Yeah, there's a proliferation act from like 1973.

I don't know if it was Ford or... Or Gerald Ford or... Oh, man. Now I'm drawing a blank. But either way, some like the early 1970s, it's an act basically that if you procure nuclear weapons in a certain way, you can't get military or foreign aid from the United States. That is why Israel does not. Okay, now it's going to drive me crazy. I've got to look at it for it.

That is why Israel will not acknowledge, they never publicly acknowledge that they have nuclear weapons. 1978 president, Jimmy Carter, signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Act of 1978 into law, the bill which he had sent to Congress on April 27, 1977. The amendment barred U.S. economic and military assistance to end. Any country that imported or exported spent nuclear fuel reprocessing or uranium or enrichment equipment materials or technology but failed to comply with International Atomic Energy Agency, IAEA, full scope safeguards. That is why. When Trump meets with these guys like Putin or Kim Jamm-moon, like, do you think that's overall good for the country or like, do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah. Where are you getting these questions?

You know, I'm just scrolling, looking at YouTube thumbnails. You know, people hate Putin. I think, you know, I like Putin. I think he's a strong leader. I think making peace with Russia is better than not doing it. I mean, I think we should probably work alongside or at least be amicable with other nuclear powers. You know, that's a big reason why I voted for Trump is because foreign policy, right?

Like, look, inflation sucks, you know, eggs are expensive, milk sucks, whatever may be. But the realities with inflation, right, you can kind of deal with it. Like, you can just make more money, you know, cut your spending, buy certain products, whatever may be, like, you can kind of deal with inflation. But you can't deal with nuclear warfare. So it's like, and the thing is, is that the president, who's the commander in chief and the secretary of defense, they're the two people that got, you know, the power when it comes to the, you know, military conflict. So, you know, I knew under Biden, two wars broke out. We had, obviously, the incident going on with Israel and Gaza, and then we got Ukraine and Russia.

So I was like, Kamala Harris coming in. She's in funny story. She was in Ukraine a couple of days before Russia invaded. Like she, you know, someone makes jokes like she gave the terrible blowjob, I guess, because we ended up going to war, or they ended up going to war. But for me, foreign policy was my number one voting thing, and I just want us out of wars. So I think making peace with Russia is the way to go. And I like the fact that, like, Trump is like, you know, opening up the communication routes because the Biden administration hasn't talked to Putin for years.

And in my head, I'm like, dude, like, how the fuck are we going to come to a resolution if you're not even willing to talk to him? And we're here giving billions of dollars to Zelensky, like the most corrupt, you know, leader in Ukraine. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries. So, you know, that's a lost war. Ukraine's been losing for years. It's amazing to me that Western media finally reported that Ukraine is losing. It took them like three years to admit it, but they've been losing.

And the reason why is because we want to keep giving them tax dollars. And, you know, the Biden administration didn't want to admit. But we're losing. All of Eastern Ukraine is pretty much gone. Russia has it. They're using the rule. they're speaking Russian, a lot of them are ethnic Russians anyway. Like, we just need to end that conflict, create a demilitarized zone, you know, let Russia have

what they have, promise not to allow Ukraine into NATO and just end the war, because this is ridiculous at this point, and we're paying for it. So, yeah, I think it's smart to, you know, people who talk to other dictators. Like, bro, they're going to continue to lead their countries. Like, we just need to have diplomatic relations and avoid war. Like, these are other nuclear superpowers, you know? People are stupid. They don't get it.

So war is bad. I'm very anti-war. What are your thoughts on this girl that, what is it? She slept with a thousand people in 24 hours. Oh, yeah, Lily Phillips. Man, that is a. Would y'all consider having her on the show? She's been on before.

Oh, she has. She came on like before she blew up with that stuff. But I mean, that's just that that is, so that right there is like the final form of feminism. Right? You know what I mean? Like just being a blatant 304 and getting paid for it. And, like, she doesn't care about changing. I saw, like, Candace Owen tried to talk to her, Russell Brand.

This woman doesn't care, man. Like, she's so far gone. She's cooked. She knows she's cooked. You know, RIP to her mental health. Because, like, you know, she, I remember she did a documentary after she had sex for, like, 100 guys in a day. And you can, like, just see the soul, like, gone from her eyes after it.

Because, like, women aren't designed to be promiscuous. They're just not. Like, you know what I mean? There's a reason why they can only have one baby per year. Like, their body is designed to hold one baby per year. they can only incubate one baby per year because they're supposed to have one man having sex with them per year. Well, per life, really. But, you know, they're just not designed to be host. So when girls like this go against their grain, it just goes to show how far we fall in a

society, to be honest with you. And a lot of women look at that and want to emulate it. They think, I can make a bunch of money or I can go viral. Like, so many girls, like, destroy their life before you even starts, like, thinking that they can be stars. But yeah, crazy. So I have a question. I, with, uh, Because I don't know, Brooks, like there was a time when I actually watched the whole, what was going on with Andrew Tate, the whole thing. Actually, we did a couple of videos on it. But then things progressed from that. Like, what is, like, the last I had heard, like, they had dropped all the charges.

But then after that, somebody said they're on home confinement in Romania. Like, what's happening? Yeah. Well, you know, so it's like two different cases, I guess. and the thing is that like you know for the first case the prosecutors didn't have enough evidence for the for to even go to trial but now they have this other case and like they're refining the file it's like the criminal justice system in Romania is cooked like what's the second case basically the same stuff with some other you know alleged victims so so so what do you think the like what do you think the catalyst was for them to like and like listen the FBI is not going to arrest you yeah Homeland Security is not going to arrest you if they don't think they can win it. trial. Yes. The feds are very,

yeah, they're not coming after. Right. I always say this. I'm like, look, the state will arrest you and then build a case.

Yeah. That's why so many of them will drop the charges. Because once they start investigating, they're like, ah, we can't put this together? Yeah.

And what they're really hoping for is that you'll just say, can I get a plea? Yep. But the feds by the time they grab you and they're like, we don't give a shit if you take a plea. Like, we'll give you one.

Yeah. But we've been watching you for years. Yeah. You're done. You go to trial. you're losing. Yeah. Do you want to take one?

Yeah, when I would work with AUSA, like we wouldn't, my AUSA wouldn't even indict unless they felt they can win at trial. Right. They weren't even indicting unless they were ready to go to trial. Like when I gave them my, we call it a grand jury package, when I handed that over, that was pretty much ready to go to trial right then and there, well, of evidence. So, but yeah, Romania is not as refined. Like for them, there's no probable cause.

They can arrest you, then do the investigation. It's all fucking. Yeah, they can hold you for certain pairs. Yeah. It's completely fucked up, right? As with a lot of these, you know, Eastern European countries. So initially they grab him. They eventually, six months or eight months later, he gets out, he gets on a, on a, on a, on a monitor.

He's on, he's, they're both on house arrest. Yep. Eventually they drop that case and then they brought another case, which is what? Is it similar to the first one? Yeah, so the first one, I don't think they dropped it, but what basically they said was the judge said that this is not sufficient to go to trial. Like, you know, prosecutors go work on this. And then there's like another case coming where apparently is going to get indicted a second time. But we don't know anything about this second case yet.

So it's basically just this is like three or four women that are saying, oh, he did this. And that's what their whole thing is based on three people's work. Yeah. It's a, like the thing. And then you got the UK who they were been trying to go after them for years. Like they tried this like in 2012 or 2013. They try to come out of him and like, you know, the prosecutor never, you know, actually made a case. Now the UK has a case against them And they want them extradited So you know what? It's like it's so

I don't know what's the thing anymore Because like when I looked at it I was like what the hell like Where are these women coming from whatever? Like lies women are like Girls that work for them or girls that they know Or girls that they dated like A couple of these girls said why am I a victim on here?

I don't want to testify like It's just off man It's just off but then you look at like What's going on in Romania with like They had a guy that was democratically elected And then they like overturned the election anyway Like Romania is an extremely crub country i've been there a few times nice place no fat girls which is great um but um you know but

it's a it's a poor cropped crunchy country at the end of the day did they take all of his cars and everything they gave him back oh they got most of them back so it's like it's like yeah dude it's like they took his money they took his cars they gave him uh gave him that's what that's what the goal was probably like strip this guy's guys a bunch of money he's running his mouth strip him nobody's going to say anything dude yeah because like you know in romania it's a very poor country. I think the average Romania makes like 200 U.S. dollars a month, two, 300 U.S. dollars a month. Those guys are making millions. They're rich as fuck. Like, especially when you take, especially when you take and you put it in Romania. So like, you know, these guys, you know,

the amount of money they've seized or whatever from them, like they don't have to worry about, that goes all to the government. So even if they're not able to prove a case, like they got a bunch of money and it's corrupt country. So it's like, it's crazy because it's like, you know, oh, they don't have enough evidence, but now they're going to come with some other charges. what the fuck is going on here? Like the judge has said themselves like, yeah, there's not enough evidence here

to go to trial, which means the case is weak. It's flimsy. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, it's just wild, dude. I just saw it today, news broke came out today

that the Trump administration is like, is like saying like, hey, what's going on with these guys? Right. You know, because they are American citizens. Okay,

I didn't know that. Did they go? They were on your show before they kind of blew up, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did your show?

I think I've heard the say, people say like fresh and fit, blew up, take obviously that in other clips. Oh, shit. Yeah. No, I mean,

you're, no, you're familiar. Like, you know, I don't like to say credit for it. Like, you know, I always say, you know,

Andrew and Tristan were going to be big no matter what, right? We were just, you know, we had the honor of, you know, host them before they, you know, had the meteoric rise,

but they were going to blow up no matter what. So. Yeah. How did you guys come across them? Like, were they like full, like, were they like,

were they full, like, as far as what their message when you first met them? Yeah. So, so they've always had the same views really they haven't really changed the thing

is like so they were already famous a lot of people don't know this uh the tape brothers were already really famous Romania way before you know being famous in the US they're like a list celebrities over there but they had spent so much time in Europe that like the western audience didn't know about them yet so we had known about them so like my partner fresh had like done a stream with

Andrew um and then you know because we agree on like 90% of stuff so like hey you guys got to come out to Miami, hang out with us. We know, we're getting a yacht, whatever. So they came to Miami, we got a yacht. We had a good ass time, took pictures, you know, shot some content. And then we did the first podcast with Andrew and it blew up, right?

And it was awesome. We had like a three hour conversation. We covered so many different things. But yeah, man, like, yeah, definitely, you know, we had them on before the media Eric rise, but I truly do think they would have blew up no matter what. The first podcast I did was a guy named Danny Jones, which is not far from here. And I did that and it got a couple million views. It was like a two, two and a half hour thing, me just telling my story.

But it was amazing because keep my, bro, I'm just out of, out of the halfway house. Yeah. I mean, I've been out maybe three months, two or, wait, yeah, I've been out like three months. And so many people were, one, my email's not out there. They're tracking me down. They're sending me, they're finding me, which I'm thinking, that's impossible. They're finding my email. And then guys are asking me questions like, bro, like, can you talk to me?

I have a problem. them. I don't really have any male influences or any male, strong male males in my life. And they're asking, and to me, a guy who'd been locked up 13 years, on the run, three years, grew up with a dad. Like, when I went to prison, this wasn't an issue. This wasn't something you talked about. Certainly wasn't something that somebody felt comfortable. If it was an issue for you, nobody felt comfortable enough to even ask. You just dealt, you hit it, you dealt with it yourself. guys are emailing me saying, you know, I'm 22 years old, I'm 21 years old, I've never had a girlfriend, I've never this. And I'm thinking, how's it possible? Dude, it's crazy. And so it wasn't

until I got on YouTube and I started seeing these videos and seeing the way these guys behaved that I was like, that like, it was the fact that it was actually an issue. And it was something that in prison, you never, I never heard about this in prison. That's not, you know, first of all, you don't have internet in prison. You don't have YouTube. You don't have any of that. Of course. You know, you've got an email system. that, you know, that even the email system is going through as a pass-through email system. So I can't email you directly. It's basically you go, you leave a message here, I check the message.

I leave a message here. You go check that. Gotcha. So there's none of that. Maybe I get to watch TV, but they're not covering this stuff. Yeah. Not at that time. So anyway, what's funny is so I started hearing about all that.

And so as I'm looking into it, your videos start popping up. Your videos, Andrew Tate's videos, you know, the other influencers. in that kind of genre start showing up. And I just remember being shocked. And then I'm still not thinking anything about it, right? Like, I'm not thinking it's as, as people are taking this as serious as they are. I'm very, like at that time, I was living in someone's, someone's spare room, actually. I was living in a, like, a rooming house, just out of the halfway house.

And it wasn't, it was here. I just moved here. I just moved here. I got, I had a contract with a production company, and we were doing an entire series based on my stories. So I have an agreement with you. We're shooting. We're doing videos.

I have that closet. There's a whole soundproof thing. And I spent 20 hours with these people that I flew out to L.A. and met, right? I went out to L.A. and met a bunch of producers. And these producers came and they made an offer. So I'm now doing a, I'm going to do a whole series. Nice. So this is where I explained to you that, um, that Andrew Tate got me fired.

So, uh, I, I do 20 hours with these guys on one of my stories. Because when I was in prison, I wrote a bunch of true crime stories. I don't know if you know that. So in some of them I've, I've optioned, uh, sold options. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. Yeah. Nothing's ever been made, you know, so they, they, these guys are like optioning those stories and we're doing an entire series based on them.

So I'm, we're doing the stories. and I've done 20 hours, and at some point, now keep mind there from L.A. They've talked to me, but just about my story. Yeah. They don't know my opinion. They don't know, you know, and I feel like I'm very, I don't try and offend anybody.

You know, I don't, my opinions are my opinions. I'm not pushy. And Andrew Tate had just been canceled. Okay. So this is 2022 August around that time. Right. I just kind of moved. Yeah, exactly.

We just, because I had another. He's a good friend of mine. So, yeah, I remember this vividly when they cancel them everywhere. Yeah, listen, man. And I remember, too, when that happened, I was like, this is, first of all, he, it initially his response sounded like, I was like, come on, bro, and everybody's not against you. And then this one and this one. Yeah, it was literally domino effect.

And I was like. YouTube, Instagram, meta, all like same week, Twitter, everywhere. Listen, and then everything that he initially, the insanity of videos that he was talking about prior to that, that seemed so insane. came to fruition over the next six months, and I was like, Mother fuck. Like, this guy is saying,

like, this is how it works. This is what they do. This is how they come for you. And then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then he's arrested in another country. Then they're persecuting him. Now eventually they're, you know, like it's like,

you have no evidence. They're saying you have no evidence. They're, anyway, my point is that I'm doing this whole thing with these guys, but keep mind they're from L.A. Yeah. Super woke. Yeah. And I have no idea.

Like, I'm not really not sure. sure right like it's you know i mean i'm not trying to say anything crazy or anything and every once while they say something and i remember at looking back on it you'll appreciate this is that i had one there were two producers one of the producers was a female and at some point we talked about my my which is my wife now the girl we were dating at the time and i started dating her and and i and i said something i said yeah she didn't even want to date date me when we first started dating. I know, we were, eventually we were going to go to dinner and and, uh, and she was like, well, we'll go as friends. And I was like, no, I don't want to go as

friends. We're not going with friends. And she's like, why. And I like, I told you this. I was like, no, we're not going as friends. I'm like, it's a date. She's like, well, I don't, I don't want it to be a date. We'll just go as friends. We can't go as we can't be friends. I was like, no. There's no reason for me to be friends with you. I was like, let me explain something. I said, I said, because the whole time that you're thinking we're building a friendship, I'm thinking, how do I fuck this chick? Yeah, yeah, of course. So I said, I don't need, I'm just not going to be friends with a hot chick that I want to

fuck us, so I want to date you. I'm not going to mislead you. She's like, well, then we won't go out on a date. Then we won't go out on a date. Yeah. I'll find someone else. You'll find someone else that is interested. Yeah.

Calls back, you know, a week later. Well, we can go, you know. This goes on for like two or three weeks until eventually we actually do meet. And we meet and, of course, we make out that night and everything's going. And then we start dating. And it's funny, too, because I remember I was talking to my ex-wife on the phone before I was going there. And she says to me, why are you going on a date with a chick that's told you she's not interested, said she doesn't want to date you? Because I think she does

want to date me. She texts me. She flirts with me. I think she's interested. And she goes, she's what she's told you she's not? I was like, right. So here's what's going to happen. We're going to go to dinner. I'm going to be charming. I'm going to be funny. And I said, at the end of the date, I'm going to lean in to kiss her. And she goes, what if she doesn't kiss you? I said, well, then I know. Yeah. Then I know. I'm not afraid. Listen, for 13 years, every two weeks when my mother came to see me, I had a guy tell me strip down naked, bend over, spread your ass cheeks, and cough. Yeah. You can't embarrass me. Yeah, it's true. So I'm like, if she pulls back, she pulls back. Now we know, and I know 100% I'm wrong. And if she does kiss me, then I know she was, it was all

bullshit to begin with. Yep. So, and of course, you know, it works out. But that conversation I have with one of the producers. We're joking, like my, I don't know what happened. The female overheard, though. She hears the conversation. Every single time, bro. They bring in another producer. I now think she was so offended that, you know, because she was like, you don't think

men and women can be friends. And I'm thinking, I go, no. Yeah. No, you dumb bitch. Like, that's not, that's not, no, I don't believe that. I'm sorry. I'm like, I have, I have girls that are friends that, but I'm not attracted to them. They're married.

We're not attractive. And we're not going out to dinner. We're not hanging out. You know, this is like you, we're dating as couples. You know, we go to events as couples. So, you know, what I say, we're friendly, we're friends, but, you know, we're not hanging out. And that's a very nice and professional way to say it. I'm worse.

Anyway, what happens is, so I'm still working with these guys. 20 hours later, they bring in it, they bring in this new producer. We have several episodes. And at some point, we are talking about the financial crisis. Okay. And she's a black girl woman, and she makes a comment. Keep in mind, this is on Riverside, you know, the platform Riverside. So I can see them, they can see me. Okay. And I see her go, you know, this systems, you know, the systems, it's rigged. She says something about it being rigged by old white men. Of course. And I was like, okay, I'm like, you know, but they can see my face. And I'm thinking, don't say anything. She didn't know, you know, whatever. And I was like, okay.

Anyway, and then so suddenly the one producer is like, okay, well, he's like, but what do you think about that, Matt? First of all, that's nothing to fucking do with this, what we're talking about. We're talking about one of my stories here. Yeah. Happened to happen during the financial crisis. She makes us off the cuff remark. Right, right.

Yeah. I guess I'm going to ignore. I disagree, but I'm going to ignore. It's a system that's allowed you to be. You're nice to me. I would have been like, shut the fuck up, Shinequa. Yeah, yeah, but she, anyway, so she, so she says that I say something. I go, well, I disagree.

And I'm like, well, and I said, but it's fine. And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, it's fine. We'll just, we'll disagree to disagree. He's like, well, what do you mean? He digs in. We start talking. Then we start going back and forth.

Well, what do you think about this? Well, I don't understand. What do you mean? And we go back and forth and to shorten the story, it ends up being, I said, well, I said, I said, I just don't understand why you can't have a disagreement with someone. I said, it's like if you agree with 85% or 90% of what something someone says, and they say 10% you disagree with, suddenly you want to get canceled. Yeah.

And she makes a comment about Andrew Tate. Of course. And I went and I said, yeah, I said, well, I said, see, I feel like that's ridiculous. I'm like, look, I agree. He probably 15% of what he says. I said, I disagree with. So, you know, I disagree that you should have, you know, whether you can afford it or not, you should be able to have four wives or five wives.

I think that. You believe of monogamy. Yeah. Well, I believe that this country was. was based, is based on Western values and you get married and you have two or three kids and you, you know, that's, I get it, fair enough. Right. So other than that, I'm on point. Wake up early. Work out. Open their doors. Pay for things. Be a man. Make money. If you work three jobs if you have to. Like I agree with

everything, everything else. I just have an issue with how you go about treating women. And also probably the, it's the pitch. You know what I'm saying? It's the, it's the delivery. Like, the message is great, the delivery, but that's the shock value that got of the attention, right? Of course, yeah. He's toned it way down now. Yeah. Right? So, but initially I get it, it was a shock value, and that's what gets you, got you, gets you all the views. So as I'm explaining this, I'm like, but I disagree. I said, I disagree with some stuff, but I agree with most of it. And she's like, I said, yeah, I said, let's face it. I said, a lot of stuff, he says it's funny. And she's like, like what? And I went, I said, well, it's funny.

I said, and some of it, it's true. Like I said, look, let's face it. If you're a hot chick, I probably shouldn't have said chick. So if you're a hot chick, it's like, he has this thing where he's like, look, a man has to make all the right decisions throughout his entire life to end up getting on, standing on a $20 million yacht. Yep. Said, this chick can be, have a makeup kit and be 22 years old. Fuck that guy. Fuck him for two or three years. And he could, she can end up with that. God. Yep. And I said, listen, I said, the top 10 most wealthy women, I'm like eight of them made all their money because they married a rich man and divorced him. Two of them, one of them

inherited it, and then one of them barely makes the list at all. And she's nowhere near in the top thousand richest people, when you throw in men in. I'm like, but out of women, yeah, she's in there. She made her own money. Get it like, Martha Stewart's one out of ten. So I say that. And she's, they're like, you can see the look on their face. They're like, okay, Matt, this is the guy. He's like, uh, Matt, um, I think we're going to have to talk about this. And, and I'm sitting there going, bruh. Keep in mind, too, this agreement, this contract with them. Yeah. I'm probably going to make two or three hundred thousand dollars at least. And I went, I'm not realizing what I've said. Yeah. Yeah. And I went, they said, so we're going to, I'll get back.

Let me give you a call in a couple days. We're going to have to have a talk about this. And I was like, I said, okay. So I said, are we done? He's like, yeah. I said, oh, okay. And I just disconnected. two days later, hey Matt, are you available to talk at two o'clock, whatever? I'm like, yeah, sure. I talked to the guy. He's like, yeah, we're going to have to sever the relationship. Wow. He's not, I mean, I'm not saying you're a misogynist.

But, you know, I have to worry about my employees and protect them. And I'm thinking, that was it. And my first thought was, Andrew Tate caught me fire. I just said the same thing. And I'm like, and listen, afterwards, when I had a conversation with my wife, wife about what happened, and she's like, you need to keep your opinions to yourself. Isn't that crazy, though? You'll also have to understand that, like, if you want to get your message out there, you have to,

I mean, I understand you've obviously made your decision on this. Yeah. You know, you have to, a big part of his delivery. Of course. Like take, oh gosh, Peterson thing. Why can I never. Jordan Peterson? I always, yeah.

I always want to say Jordan Belfort. So Jordan Peterson, he's, listen, he's not saying anything different than anybody else is saying. Yeah. But he's, you know, he says it very much more analytically, much more calmly. He must be politically court. Listen, they're still fucking go after him. Yeah. Like, so I just think it's the delivery. Yeah. That's the biggest problem. And that's kind of what I realized. I looked at it like, whether you're posh like Jordan Peterson or you're a bit more crass bottle like Andrew Tate, they're going to go after you no matter what. So I looked at it like, you know, fuck it. I'm just going to call it like it is. And I do think also that there's a level of respect that's gained from being generally. genuine and saying things how you want to say them. Obviously, there's a place where you can,

you know, practice some decorum, et cetera, and you know, on other people's platforms. But I do think in general, when it comes to you making your own content or whatever, people do have, like, a ridiculous amount of appreciation for people that can just say things like they are. So when you got kicked off. These opinions are mine, not Matt's guess, okay? So when you got kicked off of TikTok, did you start another one and get kicked off again? Yeah, I got kicked off so many different times. I just stopped making accounts. But TikTok alongside doing the podcast and mind you in 2020 YouTube wasn't as inundated as with creators as it is now like it really got um saturated um in 2020 because a lot of people end up like thinking I'm

going to be on the internet so luckily for us like we got we kind of got an end of good time we utilized TikTok we did and we also the big thing that we did was we kind of came in with good equipment off rip we came all good cameras good microphones um and we were able to scale the podcast from there because we had a good foundation so I'll say those things definitely helped with us growing pretty quickly. So what happened with, so, I mean, are you, you're on YouTube, but. We still are. So what ended up happening is we got demonetized in August of 2023.

Permanently just demonetized? Well, yeah, we've been demonetized since. We reapplied, but like honestly, we're not holding our breath. But we work with Rumble quite a bit. So we still stream on YouTube. All of our content is still there. But like, anytime we get into like, you know, touchy subjects or whatever, we switch to Rumble.

Because, like, we dual stream. Like, we'll stream everywhere. And then, like, whenever things go crazy, we just switch to Rumble. Which, you know, obviously, you know, shout to Chris Pavlosky and Rumble, because, you know, they stand for free speech. And I hope that the rest of these tech companies kind of,

well, you see them kind of going out now. Listen, when they're trying now when Trump came in. Because on day one, Trump signed his executive order where he would ban government collusion with social media companies to suppress people, which actually happened to us. And you guys can look this up. The Department of Homeland Security.

wrote a paper talking about the mannosphere and hateful content. And us, Andrew Tate, Pearl, Sneco, a bunch of big, you know, Pearl masculine creators were put on this list. And we got, like, I've noticed, like, they've shadow banned us on YouTube. It's harder to find us. Views went down. People randomly unsubscribe. So they absolutely launched a crusade against us on this paper as well as many other

Red Pill channels. But, you know, now technically that's illegal with this executive order that Trump signed because like literally it's the government writing up. paper did a whole congressional hearing on this too. They literally went after American citizens and suppressed our voice on YouTube colluding with them. So Facebook, Mark, what's his name? Zuckerberg.

We got banned off meta too. Yeah. We got banned off meta. And now he's saying, you know, more freedom of expression. We'll see what happens. I was going to say, like, how, how, what a turnaround. Yeah. I mean, you know, like when he did all.

did a whole video on it and everything the whole time i'm thinking man bro like if i had very little respect for you to begin with like your complete turnaround like i i get it like at this point he's like hey i just need to to cut my losses like i get it but it's like wow like you're yeah he wrote that memo where he purposely admitted like yeah we we we pushed you know COVID information out of pressure of the Biden administration like dude mark Zuckerberg is the biggest piece of shit scumbag. All these tech guys are, all of them, honestly. Like, they're all just

here for self-interest. They're getting in with Trump now because they understand that they need to protect their self-interest. None of these guys are Republicans. None of these guys are right-wing. They were all liberal Democrats. They voted for Hillary in 2016. They voted for Biden in 2020. They're only switching their stance up now to protect themselves. That's

pretty much what I was going to say. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean. I was going to probably be, you know, softer about it. um so so i do have a question sure okay so have you considered softening your tone for these other for these other to get back on these other platforms um well i made a new instagram um it's my own gains ex and twitter it's all my own gains ex so i'm still um i'm still around the instagram's grown at a good rate um the youtube channel

which i do political and cultural commentary now too i do that every day of five and then we also do fresh and fit as well um so my thing is this right if i go on other people's platforms right i'd chill out a little bit depending on what how crazy i can go right i'm obviously very respectful of people's platforms but for me i look at it like you know we you know i always let loose on rumble and or castle club which is like our rumble and castle club work together like locals it's like our paywall stuff but you know i think there's you know an enormous amount of value to be had when you tell the truth especially about some political topics that are a bit um taboo that no one to talk about but um you know i cover all that stuff i might touch on in youtube a little bit i clean

keep it clean but um but you know all the other stuff is on is on rumble but yeah i'm i'm more aware of like where i'm at like if i'm on youtube i can't say certain things right and then i'll just switch to rumble say what i got to say or twitter on twitter on twitter i'm a lot more political on twitter uh and i i cover a bunch of different um issues on on there i'll say you know some people say well myron you know where do you lean uh you know a lot of people say that i'm like far right or alt right whatever the hell that means i always say i'm right wing um the only thing i'm like a little bit more center on is like abortion like i think like you know i think pro choice to a degree is um is fair um but everything else i'm pretty you know right leaning on

when it comes to immigration um taxes foreign policy um you know yeah so but you know nowadays like you know right wing was getting suppressed for so long on social media so thank god that Trumpson so now we can like say what the hell we want to say but like yeah dude for the past four years they've been beating us up censoring us so it's like really annoying have you ever had any girls on your show that have changed your mind on anything that you had like a solid point a solid stance on so one of the girls actually that works for us um her name is icy shout to her um she was like a dancer and like always drinking right like she was a stripper she was always drinking alcohol like her life was kind of like you know living the fast life and um she came on her

podcast a few times and like she really started listening to what we're saying now she works for us and like she stopped dancing like you know she's focused on being a good mother to her kid and like you know she's woken up kind of right from the what what she's been told and lied to about um so you know that's one girl I could say like for sure like she's like changed her whole mindset but there's been plenty of girls that like came on the show we pissed them off and then they come back on a few years later they got a boyfriend now or they got a family or whatever I'm like holy shit or they lost weight so or like girls will DM me or this happens a lot too where like I'll be out like I went to a gym shark event like a week ago and like the first group of girls like came up to first group people that came up to

who are actually women which is like not always the case because like mostly men watch my stuff but they're like yeah I watch my show I watch a show my boyfriend like any girl that watch my content nine out of ten times she has a serious husband a boyfriend or like a fiancee right and it's like you know at first I watch your stuff and it really pissed me off right like they didn't like the way the delivery as you were saying but like you know everything you say is right like it, you know, it was hard for me to accept it at first, but like, you know, it made me a better woman. And I'm like, damn, like, that's great. And then like, you know, hell, on the way here, a guy came and stopped me at the airport with his fiance, like, or his, excuse me, his wife.

And he was like, yeah, we watch a show together. I'm like, damn, like, you know, it's cool. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, if I get recognized, you must get recognized just all the time. Oh, yeah. It's a blessing, man. And like, when women do come up to me, they almost always have like a significant other. And I'm like, damn, that's good. Like, we helped you find a boyfriend or We helped you in your relationship. What is your, on the analytics, like when I started the podcast, it was 98.5% male. It's down to 92% male for us. I don't know what, you know what I'm saying?

Is it down to 92? Because we, because initially it was almost 100% men. And now it's slowly women are, and now I noticed more and more women in the, comments. Yeah, women love true crime. It's 80% male, 19.7% female, 0.4% of it. It's what now? 8020.

That's great. Wow. Well, they're going to be mad now. Oh, you know, I just lost a bunch of them. Yeah, well, I saw that. Remember that the lady who commented, this, the lady commented like something about, some negative comment about you on Margot, on the, not Margot Robbie, Nadine's episode. Right.

And then you're like, wow. Like you said, like, wow, that's just mean. And then she came back. That's mean-spirited. She came back. She's like, oh, yeah, she came back. She's like, I'm sorry. Do you ever?

Yeah, go ahead. So for us right now, I'm looking, oh, this went up. 5% women, 94% percent, 94.7% men, 5% women, which is crazy because I didn't think it was, we had way less women. It was like 1% before. This is just a reverse of the question I asked before. Have you ever had any girls change your mind on any stance, any issues that you had like a pretty firm opinion on? I would say so I've always been familiar with like women's gripes right like as much as people say that like oh you just shit on women all the time like I'm completely you know sensitive to their gripes where we got an epidemic of men that are soft fat don't understand that there's a masculine burner performance they got to get out there and make money be providers etc like I'm very sensitive to that I would say if anything um it's definitely made me more um these are things I always suspected in my head of like why women have have issues with men um but like it confirmed that like guys just aren't holding off their part which

is you know to be fair like yeah a lot of guys are losers um but the one thing i will say that was interesting that i didn't foresee is that more guys stink than i thought like that's like the number one complaint from women is uh hygiene from men that's like physically stink you like yeah like bad hygiene is like the number one complaint that i got from women from for like modern guys weird besides them being brokeies is bad hygiene yeah so so testosterone In the last 50 years, testosterone levels from men have dropped dramatically. What do you think? I'm wondering if you have a theory on that.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a culmination of different things. It's the food, the water, feminism, like, where we're telling men to, like, you know, embrace their vulnerability, behave more like women, the TV, the pop culture. If you look at, like, a lot of the, if you look at movies in the 80s, right, Rambo, fucking Terminator, et cetera. You look at people like Arnold Schwarzenair or Rocky. et cetera like the masculine leaders jean claude van dam hell even into the 90s like there was this whole thing with like being strong being masculine being the superhero like you had this archetype then once you get into 2000 what do they do they start like getting thinner weaker being more effeminate and then now we're at a woke point where it's like the superheroes we're trying to like make

them women and like woke now this is a more selfish question for us but uh twitter you don't have to say numbers but do you make are you monetized on twitter no i'm demonetized on twitter i'm demonetized and they took my badge away yeah yeah yeah yeah You can't, like, I mean, you can't dial it back just a hair just to stay monetized? So I got, I got, so the reason why I got, um, so the reason why I got, um, D badge on Twitter was because there was a, um, controversy going on with H-1B visas. And, um, I'm very strict on immigration. Like, I think we need an immigration moratorium.

I think we need to stop bringing people in for a few years, um, to kind of fix the problems that we have here in the United States. And, you know, I used to work in immigration. So I'm like very familiar with how people scam the system. And H-1B visa is, a huge visa that scams. So you got Vivek Rama Swampi and Elon Musk, like, advocating for the H-1B visa. And I was like, no, you guys are fucking wrong.

Like, you guys don't know shit about immigration. You guys are billionaire idiots that don't know how immigration works. Like, and you guys don't understand, like, what the general population of America is dealing with. And these H-1B visas is nothing more than a visa that comes in and replaces American labor of skilled workers here. We need to employ Americans. America first. Not this fucking, not these foreigners. Get the fuck out of here.

Right? and they don't like that. So, you know, I was, you know, being a, I was being very critical of the H-1B visa, and Elon didn't like that, and he took my badge away for that. So whatever, fuck Elon Musk. Can you imagine Elon?

And I was Ray showing him too on X, and he didn't like that either. So, and I'm also critical of, like, Israel. So, like, that's another reason, too, on X. So, like, yeah, that just happens, I guess. But they demonetized me a minute ago. Like, I was like, whatever. But then once they took my verification,

while I was like, okay, well, this is still lame. But I still get a lot of impressions and grow like crazy. Do you have any idea? Listen, I mean, I understand like you're in a different position than I am. But the idea that like six years ago, I was laying in a bed in a prison, wondering how it was going to feed myself. Yeah. And that I'm, I'm now paying my bills making silly videos. Yeah, this is a silly conversation.

Yeah, yeah. This isn't like, yeah. This isn't like, yeah. This isn't like, yeah. This isn't like, it's not right. It's not right. That's why when I see streamers like, what's harder, a nine to five job or are making videos, I'm like, dude, you guys are fucking spoiled dumb fucks if you really think that YouTube is harder than a real job.

Like, look, yeah, it's a lot of work. But like, dude, this isn't the same as working a real job. Like, this is like a blessing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was going to say, this really just gives me the ability to spend my time doing other projects that I find interesting that will never really make me any money. Yeah. You know, and but I'm thinking like that the idea that that, see, you had more of a serious job. You were a serious person 10 years ago.

Yeah. I'm thinking that 10 years ago that you would be in a position where in, where, where. where Elon Musk would even spend five seconds thinking, you know what, let's go ahead and take this badge and do this. Let's try and tighten down on this guy. Like me? Like I'd be like, I'm nobody. I make silly videos.

Like how is anything I'm saying upsetting you? Yeah. In any, you know, in general, like even the people that have been on your platform. Yeah. That are serious people. You know what I'm saying? To me, it's like, these are serious people that I would be sitting across. even Lex Friedman that I'm you know went on Lex Freeman and then I'm not sitting

across from Lex Friedman or yeah yeah oh he blocked me too yeah you block me yeah you do understand that eventually you'll run out of people to piss off yeah no I mean well the thing with him he because um what I say about him that made him cry like I said I think I made like a um oh uh what I think I posted like a meme that pissed him off because he posted something about him being in Ukraine or some shit and I just like made fun of of them. And oh, and I also made jokes. I said like, um, Lex Friedman is the best podcast anytime I want to go to sleep. Come on, man. Let's be honest. Like, bro, he has, he's so fucking monotone and boring. He does have the morning. He has a very monotone voice. Dude, I literally, yeah,

that's what, yeah, that's what got me blocked. I said, you know, anytime I need to go to sleep, I throw on a Lex Friedman podcast. Do you, do you block people? He's better than melatonin. No, I don't really block people. I never really, like, I never, even people that are, he's sensitive. He blocks, he blocks, he blocks anybody that talks about him on Twitter. Really? Yeah, Lex Friedman is super sensitive. To piggyback. To piggyback On similar situation, there was a picture of 50 cent holding, what, text from Drake of his, a list of his ops. Oh, that I was on there? Yeah.

So what was your, what's the story? Yeah. So I basically said that Drake is responsible for like the effeminate generation of men that we have. I said that he's like single handedly one of the biggest perpetrators of like making men weak and pussy. Because if you think about it, like he's been popular since like 2007. And like, like guys are just got like weaker. and woker and softer ever since, because he's, like, made it cool to, like, be a feminine and act like a woman.

I mean, my feelings. You know what I mean? So it's like, dude, he took, like, hip-hop and, like, made it, like, weak. You know what I mean? So, like, that's, yeah, that's probably why. And one of the tweets went viral when I said that. Do you think that ever reverses for the majority of men? What reverses?

That the majority of men will be more masculine over time or more feminine over time. I think we're working on it. Like, guys like me and Andrew Tate, like, we're, you know, we're hitting it hard trying to get guys to wake up. But the reality is that, like, you know, There's a reason why, like, only, what, 40% of men are procreaters in the beginning of time. Like, a majority of guys just aren't going to get it.

Like, a lot of guys are just going to end up being sims, suckers. Like, I just don't, I don't get, like, you remember, you've heard me say this about my buddy, David Simpson. The guy that will go up the girls and be like, hey, what's your number? Listen, I was driving around. It was like 17. He was, is he younger than me? Older.

He said, you're younger or year older. I'm driving around. This is back, oh, this is, wait, you don't even remember this, bro. This is a show. This is back in 1980. You know, 87. So this was our, our, I don't know, internet or whatever you want to call it, Facebook or Instagram was going to a strip mall. This is back when malls were a thing.

Okay. And you go to, you wouldn't go to the mall. You couldn't go to the mall and do this. You had to go to the strip mall. And you would, all the high school kids would come and they would just drive around the strip mall. I mean, we're talking about one. Oh, yeah. I used to do that like, like go to the mall.

to pick up girls but yeah this was a continuous stream of cars just like that and you and guys are hanging out of cars and girls would go and they'd get out and they're standing there and they talk to guys as they went by or girls would you know whatever and so that used to be great it was pretty cool right i watched the old film from the not film but like a old like commercial from the 90s and a girl they asked a girl what are you doing here at the mall she was like to meet boys yeah but sorry continue on so this so david simpson's this kid he's actually i know he was younger than me that's right because i was driving i'm 17 he was probably i was 16 or i was probably 16 or 7 He was like a year younger than me.

But he's tall, six, probably five, ten, five, eleven. And I actually had dinner with him. We text everyone to this day, like, lost track of them, of course, because, you know, I was a lunatic for a while there. And, but he literally, I'm 16, 17 years old and, you know, terrified to really talk to girls, right? Like, I had a girl, I was had a girlfriend, but really was not the kind of guy that went up and talked to girls at that time.

And David, he's driving and sees a group of fucking girls and goes, whoa, hold on, boom, opens the door, I'm still moving, gets out. walks over this happens all night walks over walks right up to like the hottest chick there he's like hi my name's david simpson and she's like hi shakes his hand he's like do you i'm sorry just you're beautiful um you can get your number and she the girl would be like oh yeah and they would write the number down and get it he'd go okay i got to get catch up with my buddy and then he'd run and check jump in so you guys don't do that anymore he'd get five or 10 phone numbers throughout the night and i remember being like bro like how how are you aren't you embarrassed and he's like

why? And I was like, because like, what if that girl says no? And he's like, I don't know her. And he was, and he was like, I'll never see this chick again. Yeah. And I was like, I know, but still, she says no, like it's embarrassing. Like he's literally, listen, listen, he said, Matt, he said, as many times as I ask, girls will laugh. This kid's a year younger than me. Yeah. Girls will laugh or say, like, oh my God, you know, they'll give me the whole, you know, I would never, or I have a boyfriend. He's like, that's like, I say, whoa, I totally get that. I get why you have a boyfriend. You're beautiful. Good. Like, he's like, I made her feel better. I saw her up for the next guy.

He goes, I jumped back in the car and I keep going. He was at the end of night. I got 10 phone numbers. I make the phone calls. He's there waiting for me to call. He's like, date whoever I want to date. And he was like, it's fine.

It's sales, dude. Like literally dealing with women is sales. He's a salesman now. Damn, damn. There you go. Owns his own company. Nice. Sales windows and doors to new construction,

flies all to the country. Anyway. But that's what is. You got to get the volume in. And how, by the way, and has a beautiful wife, beautiful, I think it's three daughters, that he hates all of their,

all the guys they're dating. He also went in the military. Daughter's a curse, man. He's very much a guy's guy, too, by the way. But it was after I met him that I decided like, you know, I don't know this shit. I've never seen this shit before. That's why I want sons. I'm like, man, fuck that.

Listen, you know, it reminds me of the Dana White thing where he said he's telling his kids. He's like, listen, if you're even half a fucking savage. Yeah. Like, you were just got to fucking rake up in life because everybody's so fucking weird. Yeah, they are. But in general, I'm saying that was the guy. And that's why I don't get it when you hear like 40% of guys at 25 or 30 have never slept with a girl or never had a girlfriend.

It's bad. I don't, it's because they're, I think, well, well, you come from a different era. And then also like, so, so, and I've talked about this in detail to on our show. So women back then had to get outside to meet men, right? They had to like get outside and actually do a little bit of work. But now with the internet and online dating, Instagram, et cetera, they're getting. getting dms from everybody they think they're the shit dude right it's really bad like women have a level of hubris like um especially like in gen z that is unheard of because it's not healthy to get

thousands of messages from mental mental over the place and not only that they're getting messages from dudes that are celebrities athletes multimillionaires et cetera like that does something to their ego by the time they come on my show like they think they're delusional they're delusional dude it's bad so like girls that that's why some of you guys are struggling because average women think that average men no longer qualify. Like, they think that average men are not willing. Yeah, they're all going for the 1%, which they don't qualify for. Exactly.

What I'm, I'm thinking is it's funny because to me, I've never, there's never been a time that I can remember where I went up to a girl, asked her for a phone number, went on a few days, and we started dating. Almost every chick I've ever dated for a long period of time, years, didn't want to date me at first. I'm five foot six, bro. I mean, I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's all kinds of issues.

here, not to mention my personality, you know, so I've got major issues. It's, it's basically, and this is a horrible thing to say, it's going to sound a stalkerish. I basically have worn down almost every chick. This shit didn't want to date me. You're persistent, man. Yeah, I'm just persistent. It's like, you know, and then they, oh, well, we can be friends. No, no, no, no, I don't want to be friends. That's good that you, yeah, you put the, yeah. You know, and so you lose some of them, sure, but it's, it's, it's the, you know, it's the, uh, and you've heard me say, it's the numbers game. What do you do on the true crime show? Uh, I do that on Sundays. Yeah, What is it?

So, yeah, I cover, I'll react to cases. So, like, a case that's trending, I'll cover it. Like, yesterday I did, we, the Jack the Ripper recently got identified by DNA. Yeah, did you see that? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, because of Moineski or something like that from the shawl. Tested somebody bought on, on, they auction off like one of the bloody blouses from one of the victims. And this person went and tested multiple parts of it. And one of the DNAs was a guy that had been investigated, but they could never. never pinned on him. And so they actually found out, boom, it's him. Yeah. Like, wow, all this time.

Super. Polish immigrant guy, they identified him because, yeah, because he had been on the list. So that's why it was like a, you know, breaking them because they had him as a suspect. So, you know, that was interesting to see that. So I covered the little, I do serial killers all time. I covered the little dirt case with the murder for hire. He's cooked. Holy.

That's bad. I'm going to have something for you soon. With, with what? With the serial killer. case. Oh, which one? I covered them all. Ted Bundy. I could talk about serial killers all day. You haven't covered this one. Which one? I'm working on a book right now. Okay. Garth Brooks. Okay. Who was your, who do you think was your favorite serial killer? Not that that sounds funny, but. Who's my favorite? It's horrible. Or what case do you like the best?

I mean, you know what? No, I get it. Um, I know, that's a weird question to ask, but like, unfortunately. You're a true crime. I see. Unfortunately, I think it's probably Bundy because he, he escaped twice yeah like it's it's insane that he escaped like he kept escaping and stuff and that he you know it's you know and it was you know oh this is horrible this is horrible bro don't do anything with his tic-tok it was don't don't make a ticot i'm really writing favorite serial killer like he he killed all women yeah yeah he was consistent like he had a type you know what i yeah dark-haired young college students right you know ted bundy a lot of people don't you know I literally mentioned this yesterday.

One of the most underrated developments that allowed serial killers to, like, go crazy, especially in it, because I think in the 1970s was like the decade of serial killer. Yeah, yeah. Interstate highway systems. Like, no one talks about that, like how, you know, Eisenhower implemented it, got the project going. That was instrumental in allowing serial killers to, like, act almost with damn near impunity. If you look at someone like Samuel Little, Ted Bundy, a lot of these guys utilize the interstate highway system to, like, kill women in multiple, states get away with it and quickly, you know, go somewhere else.

You know, I think Ted Bunny killed women in like eight or nine states from Oregon to, you know, Utah, Colorado, California, everywhere. Yeah. You know, it was interesting. And, you know, with Ted Bunny, yeah, interesting what thing, there were, I think there's a couple things that made Ted Bunny so memorable. He's multiple states. He escaped twice.

He represented himself, first televised murder trial. And then he got caught. I think it was the first time it was done. Forensic orthodonic. You know, when he bit the cheeks, the chick's ass cheek, like at a college campus when he got caught. Was it that or was it her breast? It was her ass cheek. Oh, okay.

Yeah, he had bitten. But they don't even use that anymore. Like that evidence. The forensic orthodon. Yeah. Now they're saying that it's not, it's not specific enough. Gotcha. So, and there were several people that like went to the, to the, you know, whatever, gas chamber or whatever it was, you know, electric chair because of that.

They don't want to use it. They don't want to use it. Yeah, they had an overwhelming evidence on him. Yeah, I was going to say, that's not the only thing. Yeah, he would have cooked anyway. And he had a very. And he had a very, like, if people look like, he had very unique crooked teeth. They were all jacked up.

Yeah. So it was like, you know, even if you say it wasn't him, but like the witnesses, seeing him with the stockings. And he was smart. Oh, yeah. You know, he was super, he was super smart. He was just. His scheme, though, with the, with the cast, you walk up to the girls and hit him upside the head with the crowbar when they turn around. Hey, can you help me in my books?

Like, I can't be laughing at this. It's crazy. Like, how we got away with it for so long. And then. And he evolved. Like, it didn't start that way. Yeah. You know, it was, he, first was kind of a spree thing and it was impulsive.

And then he, he, he went from a disorganized killer to an organized where he had a, okay, I need a plan. Yeah. This is going wrong. Yep. Yeah. I need a plan. Another guy that was disorganized fucking chaos, but he was became huge, was the night stalker. He'd break into their house.

He never got organized. Yeah. He'd break into their house and, like, killed him with whatever he can find. Yeah, he didn't even have, sometimes he, different weapons, different, didn't have anything to tie him up. Oh, you know, the other one was, um. Oh, shoot. He'd break in with nothing and just use whatever is in a house. It's like, I think it was a game to him or something.

And they caught him off his new balances. Yeah, he's an idiot. My favorite is Zodiac Killer. Well, but they never really, they think they know who it is, but they never really. Yeah, the two main ones, it's Arthur, it's either Arthur Lee Allen because famously, and so, I know you're probably familiar, but for your audience that doesn't know, Zodiac Killer operated in that late 1960s, early 70s. one of the victims he shot a couple that was you know um was a married woman actually and she was there

with this guy on july 4th back i think in like 68 or 69 he shot them both the dude survived and then fast forward like 30 years later like in the early 90s um police officer meets them up in canada shows them a six-pack photo array and he identifies arthur leallon as the shooter and then there's a bunch of other things like he knew the woman that was that was killed um he worked at, he used to go to her eye hop all the time. There's a great movie on this called the Zodiac with Jake Gyllenha. You see the one that ended up having the Zodiac watch? Yes, yeah, the Zodiac watch. There was so much circumstantial evidence. So much, huge amounts of circumstantial evidence, you know, but, you know, there were some other things, too,

that kind of like made people question about it. Like, the other thing, too, that was interesting. And there's a Netflix documentary on it. I didn't know this. He got a ticket, right? on a day that this couple was violently stabbed by Lake Variasa and when they stopped him with the ticket he had bloody knives in the back and the knives he said oh had killed some chickens right but you know obviously we knew that he had stabbed some people before but they had known about it because it was a rural area the guy survived dude walked and he said yeah what did you see

dude walked up with like a fucking executioner's outfit yeah and tied them up saying yeah I just want your car and your money and then he ended up like stabbing them or whatever. And then he wrote the intimidating letters or whatever. You know, the two main suspects, Arthur Lee Allen and Gary Francis Post is the one that the cold case files they're investigating. They think it was him because they were able to link him to the Riverside killing of a woman, Bates. I think her name is ridiculous. I can remember this stuff. Bates, because he had violently stabbed her, I think he choked her, stabbed her in Riverside, and there was like glasses left there or shoes, something that was left there.

that was indicative of a painter or a watch with paint on it. Gary Francis Post was a painter, and the Veterans Hospital that he used to go to was in that area. So they also think it's him. And it was also in other areas where a lot of these crimes happened. But same thing with Arthur Lee Allen. He was in a lot of these places as well. And he had a friend up in San Francisco,

because when he killed a cab driver, he had Paul Stein, I think his name was, October 10, 1969, I think. They shot him, he killed him. and then someone famous that's where the picture the famous mugshot comes from was from the San Francisco shooting but even though that guy doesn't look like Arthur Lee Allen uh Arthur Leighlin apparently had a friend that lived up there in that part of San Francisco there's a doc the Netflix documentary on it is pretty interesting yeah yeah because it documents how like the kids that were with him because he was a stepfather like Arthur Leallon kind of acting like a stepfather oh yeah yeah the kids like

did he also figured out that they had been to all the crime scenes right And he had molested them. He would drug them, he was a weirdo. Yeah. I was just to say, when you were talking about interesting. But that case always fascinated me,

the Zodiac Killer, just like how then to this day, I think behind Jack the Ripper, the Zodiac Killer is the most famous case, serial killer case in America, I think. And then you could put Ted Bunny in third, but. I was just like,

John Wayne Gasey. The Killer Clown, that crazy bastard? Yeah. How they caught him is wild. What kills me is the way, he would get these kids, he would overpower them, was he'd have them handcuffed themselves. I mean, you know what I'm saying? He wasn't, he just tricked them. Because he went after

teenage boys. Right. He would trick them. He'd get them stoned or drunk. You know, whatever. You lure them back. And then he'd say, yeah, I've got these hands. They go. He'd pull out the handcuffs. And he'd say, yeah, yeah, you can look. And he'd handcuff himself and say, you look, you can. And he would turn around. He had the key. He'd unlock them and be like, yeah, you can get out of them. Here's here. Put him out. I'll show you. Kid would handcuff himself. And now you're just fucked. you're wearing a pair of handcuffs and they're like well how do i get out of him no no now i'm going to strangle you to death yeah it was just like and with him the thing with him he had like sick bastard so and he's buried all the by 23 bodies 23 bodies underneath his own house under

under his body under his house and and like because he had a he had a he had a um it was a construction company or roofing something that he did but basically yeah he would he would get these like young fit guys right young teenage boys and he would do this and he always like would bring them in seasonally or whatever and he would like they'd go missing and then the way they caught him was was crazy so the police knew it was him right and they're like for the audience um they knew it was him so they're like doing all the surveillance on him john way and gasey being so arrogant is like you know what you guys want to come in and you know it's cold out here because it was in chicago you guys want to have dinner so uh they're like yeah sure so like he invites the cops in they're investigating him

they're having dinner one of the detectives goes to use the bathroom so it was cold as hell Gacy turns on the heat. And when he turns on the heat, the the detective can smell dead bodies. And he's like, and he uses that to draft up a search warrant. Right. They go to the judge, get a search warrant, fucking genius. And because he's like, yo, this smell from my training and my experience, I noticed

dead bodies, et cetera. We have 23 minutes. We have all these missing people. We suspect that to him. He has all this probable cause because they have been investigating him. They get the search warrant. They go, they dig, and they find like 20 to 30 bodies under his house. Yeah.

He killed like 31 or 32. people, but he actually married 23 underneath the house until he ran out of room. Yep. Then they started throwing him in rivers and, yeah. Yeah. He was wild, you know. Gacy always maintained that there was no smell, by the way. You know, he's always like, there was no smell.

That's not true. Really? So the guy made it up and they happened to find the bodies? Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah, no. You're not bearing that many bodies underneath your, and only a foot or two under and there's not going to be some kind of gases.

The police had no clue. The police had no clue. He buried them there. So, like, that's the other reason, too. Because, like, they knew he was killing him, but they didn't know that he was that stupid to bury them at the house. Yeah.

So, like, when he turned a heat on, I think that messed them up. And then who else? Interesting. I'm trying to think, what other cases? Zodiac is my favorite. But, yeah, obviously Ted Bundy is crazy. So I would exclude Zodiac because they never caught him.

They never caught him. They don't really know. That's what bothers me about the Zodiac. Yeah. But there's a good case for Arthur Lee Allen. There really is. So much circumstantial evidence on him. The wing walker boots, the size.

He was in the military. He served in the Navy, you know, all these different things. About BTK. BTK was crazy, too. Yeah. That one, they caught him just like for busted nuts at the wrong place. That's how they caught BTK, they caught him that way. And they caught the, the, um, Jack the Ripper.

It was semen on the, um, on the shawl. Well, what tracked them to BTK was he sent him the floppy desk. Yes, like an idiot. Yeah. Because he, he, he, um, first he did it like intimidating, like sending the cereal box with tied up doll in it. Yeah. Right, thinking, you know, I'm going to make a comeback.

But what ended up messed him up was, yeah, the floppy disk is how they identified him. But really, what we really got him is, I think his first murder was like in 74, 75 in Wichita, he killed this Hispanic family. Right. That was, yeah, yeah, yeah, the cruises or something. Yeah, yeah. Yes. And he murdered this little girl, right? And he, like, you know, obviously, you relieve himself, whatever.

But he left, he left semen at the crime scene. In the 70s, they didn't have the ability to DNA test. I think all they could do was see if it was the blood. blood type, I think, was all they had the capability of. But fast forward to the 2000s, when he tries to make his return, they had that semen. So when they figured out it was Dennis Rader, they're like, okay, well, we have a, we know his daughters at University of Kansas.

So she had, like, went to go see a doctor, like an STI check or something like that. So they go and get her DNA compared to the semen sample from like 74. It's a match, and they fucking arrested him. I didn't know that. That's how they got him. And then they also got the Golden State Killer that way, the original one, the original night stalker, him too, because you would. would leave semen at the scenes because he was like breaking in he'd have this famous thing where

he'd like make the dudes stand on all fours with like um china on like china glasses on their back and if they moved you would hear it crashed and he'd say i'm gonna kill the girl right here while he's raping your wife in the next room he has you do that yeah he's he makes them sit on all fours and that's how we knew yeah like that that and then so they they didn't catch him for like years right um and funny enough uh one of the detectives i guess they had a semen sample from him like in the 60s or 70s one of the detectives that gets the case one of the new detectives puts the DNA into like one of these 23 and me and they find a distant relative that had put their DNA in there so like okay this guy's not old enough to be the suspected person right but who does he have that's in

his family line that's around this age and they find i forget his name it's like an italian name but they found someone around that age they went to his house they swab like the his his his car door or whatever and the dna match they fucking arrested him uh in like 2021 or something like that crazy dude de angelo or something like that i think his name was hey you guys thanks for watching the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button at the bell so get notified of videos just like this um also we're going to leave all of myron stuff in the description box so you can click on it you can go subscribe to the channel follow him but truth is you probably already know who he is anyway but either way it'll be in the description box so i really appreciate you guys

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