Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Myron Gaines Reacts to the JFK Files and His Time in Federal Service

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

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I ended up taking a job with Homeland Security Investigations, HSI. Government distrust is already an all-time high. If the American people knew that the CIA worked with a foreign government to kill a former sitting U.S. president, I think about it every day. Like, I never wanted to leave. And I've never said this before. And the reason why I left, really, was because Myron Gaines, also known as Amirut. That's like my government name since everyone tries, so you hide from your government name,

which we're going to talk about that here in a second, why I don't use it. So my dad came to the United States somewhere in the 1970s, roughly. He's from Sudan. Both my parents are from Sudan. Okay. Well, North Sudan now. It used to be one country, Sudan, but then the Civil War tore it up. So they're from the northern part, the airport.

He was a cab driver in New York City growing up. My mom didn't work. And then when we moved to Connecticut, he worked as a security guard for a bit. Then he ended up getting a job with Connecticut Transit. Okay. Which is basically, I think of it as like the public bus company for the state of Connecticut. Okay. So, I mean, do you have brothers and sisters?

Yeah. So I have a sister. is in her residency right now to be a doctor. And then I have a little brother. He just graduated from college. He has like a sales job somewhere in Connecticut, I think, Southern Connecticut. So, okay.

So, I mean, did you, so I mean, ultimately you end up with Homeland Security. Like, when you were in high school, like was that like a goal? Did you think I'm, or was it just I want to go into public surface of some kind? So I always knew I wanted to get into law enforcement. I think what really made me want to really get in to the feds

was after 9-11, right? So I grew up in a Muslim household, my parents were Arab speakers, Muslim, etc. And like I just didn't like how the negative impact of how 9-11 made Muslim Arabs look, or Muslim as general. So I was like, man, we need to go after the people that. Because to me, I've always been like, you know, I carry one passport. I'm very proud of this country. English is my first language. You know, this country has afforded me a bunch of benefits that I would have never been able to get anywhere else.

I was born and raised here, right? This is the only country I know. And my parents have always been really patriotic as well, right? Because they understand that coming here, they've got a lot of benefits. They wouldn't be able to get anywhere else. So they've always been super respectful and grateful for being here. You know, I remember growing up as a kid, my wife parents always say, you're born and raised here.

You better become a somebody. We didn't come here so that you can be a loser. So, you know, that always kind of instilled to me like things could be way worse. And I actually went to Sudan before Sudan and I went to Egypt. And I saw how poor it is over there and how terrible it is. And I was like, oh, my God, it made me really have a, a newfound appreciation for the United States. They say the opportunities that people have here,

they completely take for granted. Absolutely, man. Like people over here crying about like, my wife, why Sloan, like, dude, like, you don't even know. So, um, I'm really glad that I, like, in my childhood, I went to these poor countries and, like, saw what, like, life can really be like.

So, um, so yeah, after 9-11 happened, when I got, and I got a whole awakening the 9-11 on a whole other stuff. But back then as a kid, uh, because I was 11 years old when it hit, um, it really affected me. It really bothered me. It really annoyed me because I just, get bullied all the time and everything like that.

And I saw how my mom had to deal with it because she would wear the hijab out in public because, you know, the people really didn't like Muslims after 9-11, man. So I always said, like, you know what, we're going to go out to the bastards who did this. And so, yeah, that's kind of how it started. So you went to, okay. And you ended up going into school. Did you go in the, I mean, you went to, you just said. Northeastern University.

So I was at Central Connecticut State University for a year. And then I got some pretty good grades and I transferred to Northeastern because there was no way I would have been able to get to Northeastern out of college. Like it's a very, I think as of now, they got like a 7% acceptance rate. Very good school. It's right there with the, with the Ivys. It's a private school in Boston, Massachusetts.

Right next to BU, Harvard, MIT, all the, all the, you know, prepy schools up there. Did you take criminology or something? I was a criminal justice major. And then I also wrote on the, on the crew team, the rowing team, Division I. Is there a criminology degree? That's not true, right?

Criminal justice. Criminal justice. What's criminology? What am I saying? The study of criminals, basically. What I'm saying? Yeah. But there are criminology degrees, yeah.

Oh, okay. You're not crazy. You know, there's absolutely criminology. Yeah. So, all right. So you got that degree because you were thinking, were you thinking homeland security? Were you thinking Homeland Security?

You were just thinking something? Or did you think about going in the military first? So I could explain that. So Northeastern is going to sound like an ad. This is not an ad. But it's a unique school because it's a five-year school. They have something called a co-oproar. where you take a semester instead of being in school, you actually go work.

And what's up happening is you get this like internship for like six months. And what's up happening a lot of times is like you build the connections and you're able to get a job or right out of school. So I interned with the Department of Homeland Security HSI or immigration costs of enforcement has two components. Homeland Security Investigations, which is like the Chrome Investigator Special Agency, and then you got enforcer removal operations ERO. I interned with HSI.

Do you, why? Do you speak like Farsi? I do speak here, but conversationally, yeah. I was way more fluent before. But that definitely helped me. The two things that mainly helped me was, I was a Division I One athlete. I spoke another language.

And my GPA was pretty good. I was like a 3-3 as an athlete. So, you know, that was pretty good because, you know, they gave you a little bit more leeway if you're an athlete. At what point did you apply to go into Homeland Security? Like how does that happen? Yeah. So my sophomore year, I applied.

I went to the interview. They took me on as an intern. And the way it worked was as long as you complete year, and I think I did three rounds of six months. You do six months because I'd go, so I'd go six months back to classes, six months again with the government, back to classes. And then in between. I don't understand. What do you mean? So like they, what the way Northeastern does it is like they literally build a curriculum where you're able to,

intern for six months without taking classes, but you're still enrolled in school. Oh, okay. It's like, that's what makes it a five-year school. I thought it was like one time. I thought it was like one time here. The way they have it is literally built into the program. It's called a co-op program. It's really good because it's like one of the few schools that like really sets you up to like,

get a job outside of graduation. Right. But like, yeah, they build it in the curriculum where you're interning six months, but you're still like a full-fledged student and everything else like that. You use a cafeteria or whatever. And then you go back to classes and then they do. that a couple times. Well, then these government, you know, institutions have to be on board with with you coming. Like, they must have, they have, like, a program connected with them, right? To allow you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, the, some of the alumni at ICE that will, HSI and Boston, a lot of them were northeastern grads. So they had this internship program built out kind of from there. Okay. There were alumni that were working at the higher ups of HSI. And they had this program built. All right. And then so you, because we've had guys. like the next former, we've had like former CIA guys and FBI agents. And a lot of them would go into the military first. Yes, yes. And that is the normal trajectory.

Right. You know, it's very difficult to get an 1811 special age of criminal investigator spot with the government, fresh out of college. Very difficult to do. I was lucky where I went to a good school that had this internship program. And, you know, I successfully completed like my internship requirements. and ended up working out. But yeah, normally you got to go to the military. You got to do time in another law enforcement agency

and you kind of work your way in because it's very difficult to get those jobs fresh out of college. So what happens when you get there? So I graduated from school. I spend six months waiting to go to the academy, right? So they're like they get the, and I think we had like a government shutdown at the time. This is 2013.

Oh, yeah, Obama's still in. So I ended up getting an academy date in February of 2014. So I go down to Brunswick, Georgia, aka Glenco, where the federal law enforcement training center is Fletsey. And for the feds, there's three main agency academies. There's Fletsey down in Georgia. FBI has theirs in Quantico.

DEA has there's in Quantico as well. Postal inspectors have theirs in Maryland. I think Secret Service has their add-on in Maryland as well. And then I think Border Patrol has there's an Artisia. But I was down at Fletzzi. And that's where most the agencies go for a federal law enforcement, like ATF, marshals, us, IRS, everyone goes there. Because you got to go through something called criminal investigator training program. That's about three to four months.

Then you do your ad on, your agency add on. So I had to go, I did CITP. Once you get that done, that's kind of like the general one that like you're in there with ATF guys, IRS guys, whatever. Once you're done with that, then you go to this specific add on for your agency. So for me it was HSI, special aid training academy, SAT, HSI sat. And then I did that for like another three or four months. And then I got out once I got finished, I went to my first duty station, which was Laredo, Texas. What was happening there?

Like, I mean, is that, like, if that Homeland Security there, is that, like, drugs? Yeah. So for HSI, most brand new special agents with HSI gets sent to the Southwest border. Or they'll get sent to, like, a heart to fill. Like a San Francisco, a New York City, and L.A., like these major cities where they need a lot of agents and a lot of people don't want to go there. because of cost of living. But when I went, almost all of us got sent to the southwest border or Puerto Rico. That's another big one where new agents go.

And it's because these places are hard to fill. You're typically very busy. So they send new agents there. So I went to Laredo, Texas, and it was very busy, man. It was, it's the busiest office and the busiest special agent in charge area of responsibility or AOR. Because San Antonio, so think of it like San Antonio is the main sack office. Right? And the FBI works like this too, ATF, all the agencies work like this. You got a sack office, a special agent in charge office, right?

That's the big one. Then there's satellite offices that fall under that office. Laredo was a office. It was a desac office, which is like a, we had like six, it could house up to 100 agents, but it like had a deputy special agent in charge, which was a pretty big office, but it was a subsidiary of the special agent in charge office in San Antonio. So Laredo was the busiest office. in the busiest sack in the country.

So we were very, we were running around doing stuff all the time. What is the bulk of the cases that they're working there? Are they drug cases? Yeah, drugs, human smuggling, firearms going southbound, money going southbound, money laundering. You think of it, it's there on the southern border. Basically, literally everything. You would think of like the FBI is doing. Yeah, we were doing, we're actually, yeah, we were way busy than FBI.

Like FBI, so after 9-11, the FBI really focused on more counterterrorism, counter-espionage. So what ended up happening is a lot of their cramwork, or is what they call crime work, went over to other agencies. And what ended up happening after 9-11, after the Department of Homeland Security was created, HSI kind of came in and took a lot of that criminal stuff because HSI has more broad authority than the FBI. They have actually more statutes and they enforce. So the FBI really focuses more on, like, counterterrorism. espionage and then HSI does a lot, took up a lot of that criminal stuff that they used to do.

Now, the FBI still does organize crime, of course. Right. But they're not, it's not their main focus like it used to be. Right. After 9-11. Yeah, I was going to say,

whenever somebody asked me, like, how did the Secret Service get on your, my case? They're like, why wasn't the FBI? I'm like, because they're chasing real criminal. Like, after 9-11, I knew everything got shifted. Yep.

There was a lot of stuff that they, they handed over to, like, the Secret Service, like, financial crimes and a lot of stuff. Yeah, and I'm actually shocked. Like, I remember when me and you had our discussion, because the thing, fun fact about Secret Service, because they're also in Homeland Security, they don't really get a lot of criminal cases prosecuted.

And the reason why is because they're just spread so thin because their main mission is protection. So it winds up happening a lot of the times with the United States Attorney's Office since they're the ones taking all the cases. They hate taking Secret Service agent cases because they're never around to actually like see the case through. Right.

Right. Because they always got, oh, sorry, got pulled for, you know, a detail here. like because they have to do all these random like because every president and their immediate family gets protection right and when you add it up like between the kids and the and the wives etc that's a lot of secret service agents they need for each detail so they're always constantly getting pulled and they can't like really see cases all the way to fruition like anytime i had a secret service agent on one of my cases like i'd see them like maybe once or twice a year because they were always getting pulled you know and that's why they have such a high attrition rate like they always leave and go to other other agents and are what's called a lateral. Like we have so many former secret service agents that are HSI guys because the quality of life sucks, they have the highest divorce rates.

Well, they saw mine through. Yeah, they saw yours through, unfortunately. So, yeah. Okay, so you got there. Who's just them? Nobody else? No, no, it was also, it started with the FBI, but when I was on the run and they got involved,

like they were actively chasing me. The FBI basically were, they put, you know, they put the warrants out, you know, and they're like, oh, he'll get pulled over eventually. Like they're not chasing. The Secret Service is sending out flyers or emailing people. They're showing up.

They were the lead agency, right? Like when you were, like it was when you were there sitting. Ultimately, when all the cases got condensed, they were the lead. Okay. All right. Okay. So, but initially, yeah, initially it was FBI, but then they weren't really looking. But when I went on the run, it was definitely the Secret Service.

Gotcha. Yeah. So that's why, yeah. Because FBI is probably like an assisting. And they do that all the time with the Bureau. Like, they'll come in, they'll assist. They do the bare minimum. And then when it's time to make the arrest, they're there to take credit.

Yeah. So once you got to Laredo, I mean, how old are you at this time? I was 24 years old. You're 24 years old and you're working criminal cases. It was crazy, man. Yeah, that doesn't that seem, how old are you now? I'm 35 now. Doesn't that seem ridiculous, a 24-year-old?

Like, you shouldn't be in charge of anything. Yeah. It made me grow up quick. It really did make me grow up quick. The other thing, too, was a culture shock. So a lot of people don't know this. When you're on the southwest border, it doesn't feel like the United States. States. You're basically in Mexico. No one speaks English. It's sand is everywhere. It's like literally out

like the movies. It's like the Wild West. Right. Everyone is Mexican. And there's like cartel in that air. Like they're getting into shootouts with cops. Like it's, it's not as bad as maybe being in Mexico, but it's bad. Yeah. For my understanding, when you talk to people that out there, they're like, bro, it's the wild fucking, it's a wild west down there. Yeah. So when I went there, right, there was a war going on between the Mexican Marines and the Zetas. At the time, the Los Zetas were the one's running. So Laredo, just kind of put on a map. Laredo is right here and then the Rio Grande River and then right underneath there is Nueva Laredo, Damalipas in the state of Tamilipas of Mexico. So at the time, the cartels have so much power that the police can't do anything. They got to

literally fight the Marines. So you would often hear gunfire like machine guns going off on the Mexican side because where I lived, it's funny enough, like my apartment complex was right next to Rio Grande River. And you can hear the machine guns going off at night between Mexican Marines and Azeta's fighting all the time. I think now it's Cartel del Noste that runs it. But when I was there, it was Azetas. Most, by far most violent, because they're paramilitary.

A lot of them were former Mexican Marines that basically turned and said, we're just going to sell drugs and make more money. Yeah. So that's what ended up happening. Yeah, I wrote a whole true crime thing about it, how they were, you know, it's like Zeta 1, Zeta 1, Zeta 2. Yes, yes. It's all by numbers.

Yeah. Yeah, and they were-in-os, yep. The initial guys were actually trained. They were in the military, and they were trained by our military. Yeah. And then they just weren't making enough money, so then they ended up going and first started as protection, and then they ended up becoming almost like their own cartel, right? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So what happened? So what are some of the cases? I mean, what's? Yeah. So I was in a, so we had like 10 groups, right? because this was a deputy special agent in charge office, right, a DSAC office, which I don't think FBI has DSACs, but HSI does. So it was like, I think we're supposed to house something like 100 agents, but we were down to like 60, right?

It was very hard because HSI had a hiring freeze for many years. So like by the time I got to Laredo, that was the first time they had new agents in years. It was like me and like five my classmates went to Laredo. So we get there. There were 10 groups. We had three human smuggling groups. Like three drug trafficking groups. We had a border best border enforcement security task force group, which was like border violence kidnapping, et cetera.

We had a commercial fraud group, which was, you know, counterfeit, merchandise, people smuggling in commercial fraud. Like basically like any, like when people do like IPR or they're, you know, trying to smuggling things that they're not supposed to be smuggling in, but it might not necessarily be drugs as other contraband. Like what? Nike's fake Nike. Yeah, like that type of stuff. Commercial fraud, yeah. Okay. Exactly.

But we were so busy, like every group was, like, doing everything. Like, the only reason you were, like, in our group is because you'd often get calls. So for me, right, I was in a human smuggling group. So Border Patrol is out doing patrols or whatever. And if they catch a smuggler trying to bring in illegal aliens, whether it's on the border, smuggling through the river, or driving them around because there's many different legs of a trip when you're going through human smuggling, border patrol catches them. They bring them back to the station.

They contact us. We go, we follow up and do the investigation, we interview all the migrants that were caught, we interview the suspect smuggler, and then we go ahead and, like, you know, figure out where the aliens were supposed to go, you know, who else was involved in an organization, et cetera, and then kind of work our way backwards there. Sometimes we do control deliveries, and it's very similar, like, in the drug game. So someone gets caught at the bridge, trying to bring in drugs. They call us, we show up, hey, where was this dope supposed to go?

All was going to take it to San Antonio. Okay, let's go ahead and do a control delivery. and we take it up there, whatever it may be. So this was happening all the time. Do you let them take it up there and you just kind of follow them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So if we're going to do a control delivery, right, I can explain how it works. So the thing was controlled deliveries is you got to be quick, right? So when Customs calls you, let's say they catch 10 kilos at the bridge, right? Guy comes in, supposed to bring it in, gets caught. Hey, we got a guy here at the bridge. 10 keys. What do you want us to do? Don't move.

We're going to be over there. Get over there quick. Get him on the phone with the next guy. who was supposed to speak to. That's assuming he's cooperating. Assuming he's cooperating. Of course, you get there. You read him his rights.

Hey, look, we got you with 10 keys. You can go right now or you work with us. It will talk to the AUSA, Assistant United States Attorney's Office, the United States Attorney, the prosecutor, and we can, you know, work something out. Yeah, cool. I'll cooperate. All right. Call the guy that you're supposed to call.

Do a concessually monitor phone call. Obviously record it. He says, hey, you know, I just got a flat tire, but I'm on my way. et cetera, make up some kind of rules as to why he's, because they're very, oh yeah,

they know how long it takes. Yeah, and they're like, you know, hey, did you get stopped? Whatever. So if things are off, like the timing is off,

they get suspicious. So he's like, yeah, I know I'm on my way, et cetera. So at that point, if it looks like it's going to go, I'm telling the CB officers,

okay, let him go. We do a passenger memo and we start taking him up north. And what ended up happening is obviously he won't have drugs in a car. We'll take the drugs. But then we'll let him drive and we follow him.

and we'll just monitor the whole thing. So what happens? He brings it up there. Does he wire the guy up? Yeah, yeah. He's wired up. Sometimes we'll have an agent in the car with him. We're not depending on the situation.

They get to the, let's say we're going from Laredo to San Antonio. San Antonio is almost always the next transit point, right? Two hours up north, Interstate Highway 35, take him up there, right? And you're notifying all the local law enforcement, DPS, Border Patrol, et cetera. Hey, we're doing this operation, et cetera,

so they don't interfere. He gets there. Once he gets there, nine out of ten times they're going to tell him, put it in a parking lot, leave it. Leave the keys in the gas, in the gas thing, whatever. The guys that show up that are supposed to come pick it up,

we arrest them. We're we supposed to go with these, blah, blah, and then just kind of leapfrogging it. You take it as far as you can go. And then very similar, human smuggling tool. Human smuggling, it's a bit different. Because with human smuggling, it's a lot harder, right? Because you're dealing with human beings.

So what ends up happening is when the aliens... Okay, so I'll go right from the beginning here. So the way human smuggling works, because a lot of people confuse human smuggling with human trafficking. Two completely distinct crimes. With human smuggling, that's coming into the country illegally. These people want to come. They want to be a part of this.

Exactly. They're paying to be. Yes. Yes. So when people want to come here, nine out of ten times they have to go through a human smuggler to do it. Because you can't just like traverse, you know, into United States without some type of assistance, right? You're going to need smugglers. You're going to need an organization.

You're going to need people that can, you know, facilitate smuggling you, bringing you in. then getting you housing as you're waiting and then getting you another transport drive to bring you up north. So it winds up happening is with the aliens, right? Typically, they got to get to a transit location, whether it's Mexico, the Bahamas, et cetera, if we're going to do maritime versus doing land border. But we'll just focus on land border now. So they get to Mexico. Let's say they get to Mexico City. They stage from there.

They pay their smuggler. Then that smuggler is responsible for getting them to a border town. Let's say a Nueva Laredo or a rhinos or whatever may be across from McAllen, whatever it is, right? So you get to Nuevo Laredo, right? They have you at a stage at a stash house there. While you're there, obviously you pay that stash house operator. They house you, they feed you, et cetera. And then when it's safe with the cover of night or whatever,

what's called the Lancerro will get you across the border, right? Or we'll get you across the river into United States. Once he gets them into United States, now he's got to get them to a highway, right? Because someone else is going to come and pick them up in a car, right? So the foot guide or the coyote, he knows the area, et cetera. So he's walking him through the brush, et cetera. He knows where the sensors are. He knows where Border Patrol patrols so that they don't get caught.

He gets them to the road, one of these rural highways. A smuggler comes, picks them up from there, takes him to a stash house. Now they're dealing with the U.S.-based version of the organization. They get to a stash house somewhere in Laredo, a real bravo, one of these little rinky-ding towns in South Texas. They wait there until their family pays the next portion to move them up north. From there, they got to get off the southwest border. They got to get out of what's called the functional equivalent of the border. And this is why there's border patrol checkpoints all across the southwest border

about 30 miles out because that all counts as the functional equivalent to the border. And that's where border patrol's authority kind of ends. So, you know, you look at like on interstate highway 35, there's a checkpoint 29, right? 29 miles into the United States on interstate highway 35. There's a border patrol checkpoint where they're running dogs and everything else like that. And that's the last line of defense because once you make it past that border patrol checkpoint, you're pretty much good to go. Yeah.

Because they can't ask for papers. They can't really. Exactly. Because no other agency, once you get past the southwest border, has immigration authority, except for ICE. But is immigration, customs enforcement, ICRO, going to run around and pick everybody up? No. A lot of these aliens, they don't even know they made an end.

So the stash house operator's job once they get into United States is to get them out of the house and pass one of these checkpoints immediately. Because if they can get them to San Antonio or Houston or one of these, like, transit locations, they're pretty much scoffrey. So once they get them there, they get to San Antonio. From there, typically the family members come and pick them up. And then prices vary for the legal aliens,

how much they pay to get smuggled depending on where they're from. Like Chinese pay a lot of money, Arabs pay a lot of money, Russia pay a lot of money. These are considered. So Chinese National is going to pay something between $30,000 to $60,000 to come to the United States. If you're in Mexico, just to get across the border, what does that cost like five or 10?

So when they cross, just across the river, is $2,000. And that's because they got to pay that. That's called the Cota. They got to pay that to the cartels. Because the human smuggling organizations typically aren't cartel members, if that makes sense. They operate on cartel territory.

And the cartels don't like to deal with human smuggling as much because it's a very dirty business and is very labor-intensive. So what they do is they just tax the hell out of the human smugglers. Now, some of them absolutely do deal with human smuggling. But when I was there on a South Coast border, the human smugglers kind of like were their own contractors. They operated in the Zetas territory, so they just paid them an amount for every illegal alien that crossed the river. And they can make more money doing that because they don't got to deal with the bodies, paying for smugglers, housing them, feeding them, all this other stuff, all the humanitarian crap.

So they would just, you know, sell the drugs. They would deal with the drugs more and then tax the human smugglers. Chinese are paying easily like 60K. The, you know, Arabs are paying like 60 to 100,000 Russians. Those are considered exotics. Basically any, if you're an illegal alien from a country that's like on a. a watch list or anything like that, they're going to charge you more. So these are guys, they're still coming into Mexico coming across the border, right?

Yeah. I can't imagine where else they're going to come across. Caribbean too. So when I was in Miami, a lot of maritime smuggling. They'd go to the Bahamas. They'd stage in Bimini. And then they'd take, you know, a boat captain will come from Miami to come pick them up from there and then bringing them in.

How long were you down there? In Laredo, Texas. I was there from 2014 to 2018. And then I switched over. I changed field offices from Laredo, Texas to Miami. Why? Dude, being on to sell those border sucks, you want to get off as soon as you can. Like, after you do like three to five years, they let you transfer out because it's very,

I remember there were days where I'd go to work on like a Monday. I want to get home until like Thursday. Like you're working a lot, right? They're overworking you. So because you're doing duty calls. You're on call all the time because these calls happen all the time where they're smugglers, the border patrols, catching people, smuggled aliens. They're catching people on the, and, you're catching people on the,

at the bridge with drugs. So you're constantly reacting to the ports and, you know, getting these calls and stuff like that. So very, it's good, though, because I learned a lot in only four years. Like, I did more cases, 100, arrested like literally hundreds of thousands of people. That's not hundreds of thousands, but hundreds to a thousand easily. Because you're encountering Leo aliens, you're accounting, smugglers are encountering, drug traffickers, you're encountering every, all kinds of different types of people.

So, so, yeah, like, I learned a lot. So when I went to Miami, I, like, was a lot. they would hit the ground running when I got to Miami. Okay. So do you think, real quickly, then we moved to Miami, but do you think that they could, do you think it's possible for them to actually like close the border to where almost nobody? I mean, there's somebody's always going to get across. Yeah, of course, of course, of course.

It's going to be very difficult to do without like military assistance, which, you know, they can't, I think it's called posse comitazza or whatever. Like the military can't come in and be involved with law enforcement, operations. This is why we would have like National Guard guys helping us out in the counter drug and also with exploitation through the hero program. But like they don't carry guns. Like they just kind of assist from an analytical perspective. They're like intel analysts, but they can't really do much else from like the law enforcement perspective. So yeah, I mean, without military intervention, it would be very difficult because border patrol is almost

always understaffed. It's hard to keep guys on a border for HSI. So, you know, they're the criminal investigators so you would need more Border Patrol agents and you'd have to involve the military to a degree too because it's tough man and you're talking about like just so much open land space where they're able to kind of come in and all these rural areas it's huge man um

yeah I was gonna say it's like I was gonna it's so huge like people don't know this too like illegal aliens that try to come in a lot of times they end up getting like if they don't have like good foot guide or the foot guide leaves them like they die out there all the time they'll get lost yeah all the time I was going to say plus it's a desert like if you you got it's why when we were talking about like they have to get you to this point at this point i'm thinking yeah those are like

base camps where they have water and food because you couldn't care enough water to sustain you you trying to walk your own way all the way through and that's if you knew yep you know and it's easy to get lost out there you know because it's so easy and then you got the it's it's super hot the sun's beaten down on you you got wild animals etc like it dude we would run into a situation all the time where um there'd be dead aliens out there in the brush and like we would give the person that smuggled them like an sentencing enhancement for that. Right. Because a lot of times they would just leave them there to die.

The foot guides. All right. So when you, so the first opportunity you had to leave, you took off, you said I'm done. Yeah, yeah,

though I did enjoy it and I liked it. You know, I was like, you know what, if I don't leave now, because there were, it was a rare announcement where they're like,

hey, we're taking guys that have three years or more, they can get off the border. And I was like, if I don't take this opportunity now, who knows? Because I knew guys that were stuck on a border for like seven,

eight, nine, 10 years. you know so i was like oh shit so i got i got to get off well i can um so i applied to a couple different offices um Dallas Houston um Tampa funny enough Tampa um Miami for a lot of Dale Miami was my fifth pick but they took me so I accepted Miami um and then it's funny because Dallas was like my second pick and they called me but I had already accepted Miami it would have been life would have been so much different if it went to the Dallas off I'd probably still be working for the government if I went to Dallas field office so

So in Miami, what was Miami like? Did you show up there? Yeah, so I get to Miami in 2018. You're not a rookie anymore either. Yeah. Yeah, like I got some gray hairs. I get there in 2018, I had the ground running, right? I remember, like, my first day on, we had a call, like, this Cuban guy had smuggled, like, 10 or 13 aliens or whatever.

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because I had done like, I remember when I was on a border in Laredo, like I'd be on duty, right? I'd get like three or four calls. I'd have to take all those cases. And then I'm like writing up criminal complaints, two o'clock in the morning, about to go to sleep, half asleep. And then I got to show up to court at nine o'clock with all the prisoners. So, you know, going to Miami was like a refreshing change because it was way easier. So like I would always volunteer and take cases. And then I also was able to run more proactive cases too, which I had done like big organized crime proactive cases in Laredo.

But in Miami, I had more ability to do so because we didn't get bogged down as badly with response calls. Okay. So how long, I mean, how long did you work in Miami? Is this, it's more that it's kind of more the same. So from 2018 to 2020. And what ended up happening is like that's where the fresh fit chapter begins because I had started the fresh fit podcast while I was working for the government.

Right. So people always say, right? So how does that, yeah, I was going to say, how do you even come about thinking? Like that, like that is such a, well, I don't know, it's kind of, it's still kind of the macho thing, but it still doesn't. To me, I don't see agents thinking, hey, this is something I, like, how does that even come about? Sure, sure. So, so, um, this is no way. So 2019. So I get there, 2018, I having a great time, whatever. I ended up getting into like some BS, right? Some like, this club made this allegation against me that I got into like a fight inside of their nightclub, right?

And internal affairs opens an investigation. Mind you, I had never went inside the club ever. Like, I didn't do anything. But the bouncers, I don't know what it was. I had been there before. They didn't like me. I'm walking outside. They fucking tackle me.

Say all this stuff. And basically, long story short, it gets to my superiors. And they say that I was at this club and I started. of trouble with a dancer. Like it was a strip club. And I was like, what the hell? Like, that's not me at all. Like, I don't even pay, like, number one, when I do go to strip clubs, I'll never spend

a dollar. I talk to the regular girls because, you know, we're anti-simple over here. So I was like, this is bullshit. But of course, with everything they had to investigate it, right? So internal affairs opens an internal investigation on me and one of my buddies. So I'm like, damn, this is like very scary because you're like, what the hell? Like, these dudes lie on my name. I never did this.

Like, now I'm the subject of internal affairs investigation. I have an impeccable record. I've never done anything bad. I've always had the most reports were in, most arrests. I'm like one of the rock star agents, right? And at the time, I had a really big case. So I'm like, you know what, dude? I'm never going to have someone be able to control like my livelihood.

So I say, you know what? I'm going to, because I was really into fitness. So I was like, you know, I'm going to start a fitness business. So I go ahead and I get outside employment paperwork, outside employment authorization. I get it signed off to be a fitness and life coach. So I start, you know, coaching people online. Start my fitness business is doing really well. I start making as much, if not more money than I did when I was working for the government.

With the government, I was making like a GS-13, 1 or 2 at this point. I was making like 120K per year. I was going to say cash, no. Like more, they destroyed me with taxes. But yeah, I was making like 120K or so per year, which is good money for me because I'm like a minimalist. I don't buy nothing expensive. Even though I'm in Miami, I don't wear jewelry and that that stupid shit.

So it was great for me. I was paying low rent. Back then in 2018, I was paying like $1,700 to $1,000. live in Brickle, which now if you try to get that same apartment, it's like 3K because like COVID like changed everything. But that's all the conversation. But anyway, Miami was very cheap back then. So, uh, so I get this business business and I'm making as much if not more, making like

150, 160K per year with just my other side business. So the internal investigation six months later, I get cleared. They find out that the fucking bounces of shit were lying on me, whatever. So I get cleared. Um, but it was really annoying because like, like, you know, you go through the uncertainty. Like, what the fuck? I never did anything. but I realized like okay if I want to grow my fitness business I need to get on social media

and namely YouTube right Instagram isn't enough because I was just only I was doing everything through Instagram but YouTube as a search engine as well as a video sharing engine so I was like you know let me get on YouTube so I started a YouTube channel or I started giving like fitness tips now I started getting consultations and this is what year this is this is this is now 2020 okay this is 2020 and and the pandemic is in now this is like literally this is like spring of 2020, pandemic is like full on, government shut down, et cetera. Now, I was still working because I had a really big national security case at the time. So I was doing both, right?

I was doing, so I'd literally be like, because, you know, you couldn't go to the office. So I'd be like. What was the big case? I'm sorry. It was a, it was a case, a human smuggling case of basically with Sri Lankans and Canada. They were basically the scheme was they were smuggling Sri Lankans into United States using fraud or immigration system for fraud. claiming Osama also the crap. Then they were all going to Toronto.

So I was working at the Turks and Kakos Police Department, National Police, Royal Police, as well as the RCMP and the CBSA. So it was a very big case because, you know, Sri Lankans are, well, that's all other conversation. But I was doing that. Sneaky? No, like, um,

sophisticated? There was, there was links to a certain organization, which I can't say right now. I'll tell you off camera, but, but yeah, that's made it more, you know, higher profile. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. For sure. Which I think the case, I don't know if the case is still active. Some of my criminal complaints are still out there. I think we, because I remember when I was there, we arrested the main guys, but I don't know if they expanded and continued on it because it was like a big deal. It was like a whole big fucking conspiracy with this stuff. But, so I was doing this case, right?

And I was, so I'd like be home. I'd be working on my government laptop writing reports and stuff. Then I'd like go do some of my fitness stuff. Then I go back and do that. So like, I was just like working all. the time, right? No girlfriend. I had some chicks I was dealing with, but like nothing serious, man, nothing serious because

I was just so focused. So you're working 80, 90 hours. Yeah. It kind of excludes, you know, unless they're just swinging by, yeah, for a couple hours and leaving. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm doing this case running my business as well.

A lot of it was remote because obviously everything is locked down. We're talking, this is what, May, April or so of 2020. We're pretty much in full lockdown mode at that point. I don't, in Miami, I know we shut down right around March. I make my YouTube videos, fitness stuff, whatever. And then I noticed, like, I also started taking on consoles. And a lot of guys asked me questions about girls. And, you know, I was doing pretty well with the ladies in Miami because, you know,

if you can get girls in Miami, you can get them anywhere because some of the, it's like hard mode, you know what I mean? In Miami, like, unless you're paying for it. But if, but I wasn't paying for it, right? I don't believe in tricking. So, you know, a lot of guys have asked me for like dating tips or whatever. And I was like, damn, okay. I should probably help guys with this.

as well because I noticed that guys want to get in shape to get girls, but like guys were doing dumb shit with the girls and like simping and, you know, getting taken to the cleaners. So I was like, man, we need to not just teach these guys how to get in shape, but we also need to teach these guys how to, like, understand how to deal with women. Then I figured out that a lot of guys would be struggling with the girls because they're also broke. So I'm like, man, we need to start a podcast where we just like help guys out with their dating and self-improvement. So then, bam, press a podcast, we launched October of 2020.

And a month later. That's when I started filming myself, my videos. I did that for like six months. I did the same thing. Was it? Probably. No, no, no. It definitely was because it was a year.

It was. It had to be probably because I know I started learning about YouTube during the pandemic during the lockdown. And I know you did it for, and I met you probably eight months to a year into it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It was about the same time. That's funny.

I just feel like you guys, well, you guys. obviously had a lot more success. But, but, anyway, but anyway, yeah. So I, because when you started, when you were said 2020, I was thinking like, I don't know why. I just felt like, because as soon as I started paying attention to YouTube, I had already was coming across your videos. Okay. Very quickly. Yeah. No, we, we, we started, our first podcast was October 26th, 2020. Cameras were all blurry and shit and we, we, we didn't know what we were doing. But me and my buddy, Walter. So we started the podcast. That was the first episode. And then I get this new apartment. I buy all this equipment. Spent like 40K on all the equipment and getting the studio set up, et cetera. At this other

apartment down the street. I wasn't even living there yet. Like I had just like got everything set up. And then a month later, I get an email and internal affairs again. Hey, you got to come in for an interview. I'm like, what the fuck? Like I didn't do shit. So I go there, right? Because at this point, I'm like, I'm pro with this stuff. Right. I'm like, I already know what's going to happen. Like, you know, they're going to bring me in. They're going to read me my, um, they give you like these like amended rights because like as a government employee like you can't like take the fifth it's it's administrative it's not criminal so you can't like be like I take the fifth amendment like no bro like you gotta go in there and answer the questions so I'm like whatever so I go and they take my phone and I'm like what the fuck so in my head I'm like why they take my phone? I'm like oh my god they probably think I'm like filming content on my phone. Then I was like oh my god they probably think I'm like filming content on my phone phone. Because I was assaulted because I was like three or four generation line. So they take by like iPhone six and I'm like you fucking assholes if you guys see my YouTube videos there I'm using 4K and shit because I had a video. I was hiring right right to like do my stuff because I like I did the podcast and I also did like um like pre-recorded videos and like the guy would bring in was really expensive because he'd come in with like the 6K camera so I was like really insulted I was like do these guys really think I'm over here recording content in this fucking shitty ass phone did you know it was about the podcast when you got there no I didn't know what it was for okay like I assumed like I was like okay it's got to be because of what I'm saying on the podcast whatever because I was you know me I'm very honest I'm like bro you guys can't simp you got to like be the leader you're You got to be dominant.

Obviously, we live in this posified world. We're being politically correct as everything. So they didn't even interview me. They just took the phone. I was like, what the fuck? So at that point, I'm like, okay, they got to be thinking I'm like recording shit or whatever on my thing. But like, I was actually really, and I've never said this before. Like, I was so ready.

Like if they did the interview to go in there with like all my fucking reports and like all my, like, because I had made that case like an OSTAF case, that national security case. for those that aren't aware, there's a program called Organized Crime, Drug Enforcement Task Force, OSEDF. And if you get your case designated as OSEDF case, it's a big fucking deal. All right. You get a case number from the Department of Justice. It's a priority for the United States Attorney's Office. You're getting all kinds of resources, et cetera. Not only was an OSEDF case, but it also was like something called like, I won't say exactly what it is.

But I'll just say a very special case under HSI. Okay. Right. They have like these case designations that you can get special funding for your case because it was national security case and it was an OSDAF case. So if they had brought me in to like say, yeah, we have information that you're like doing this podcast and like potentially on government time. I'd literally say, fuck you guys. These are 70 reports of investigations I've written on this case. Here's my OSEDF case number.

Like I'm fucking working and I'm outpacing every single agent in this office because at the time I had like the number one or number two case in the fucking office. office. So if they had like brought me in to say that shit, I would have like totally shit on them. Like you you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Go look at my ROWIs. Go look at my reports. Because that's the real way to know if an agent's working. Like the gogetter guys, they're writing a lot of reports. They have confidential informants signed up. They got source of information. So I was literally ready to go in there and just tear them a new one. If they even dared say, oh, are you using government time to like to do your business? I'm like, fuck you. Because the other thing, too, of these internal affairs agents nine out of 10 times. Because what ends up happening is they rotate in. Right. So they're HSI agents, but then they get rotated into something called the office of professional responsibility. They do it for like five years. Then they rotate back into HSI. FBI the same way. FBI has something called the inspection division. They're FBI agents. They investigate their own. They're obviously in another office. They don't like they, you know, have their whole other chain of command, et cetera. But, but yeah, like, you know, because a lot of these OPR guys didn't do shit when they were agents. Like they're just like want to kush gig. They don't want to work at eight to four, chill.

Because internal investigations are always administrative. never criminal is bullshit. So I was going to get in there and just shit on them. If they even dared to fucking say, are using government time to fucking run your business? Like, fuck you guys. But anyway, yeah, like. Don't hold back. Yeah.

Not that it upset you. Yeah, because it would piss me up. Because, like, anyone that's like in 1811 knows exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone that's FBI or DEA, whatever, you guys know exactly what I'm talking about when I say OSF case. Like, that's a big fucking deal. So anyway, you're ready to, you're ready to do battle. Yeah, I'm ready to do battle, right?

phone because I'm like because yeah because they've already brought me in before on some bullshit and I got cleared. So I was like, bro, I'm like, whatever, you guys want to bring me in on this other shit? Because I was convinced as someone like snitch and said, look, this guy's making YouTube videos on government time or some bullshit like that. But you've already been given permission to basically have us. And I had authorized employment paperwork and the thing. So I was good. Like I was ready to go to war with these idiots. If they even brought me in on that, right?

Because I knew I was in the right. And I had my work to show for it. So no one could tell me anything about like, what are you doing with your time? Like, fuck you guys. But the other thing, too, where was I going with this? Oh, so they bring me in for that, right? I give them my phone. Then I found out, so the next day I have a meeting with my special agent in charge, all the brass is there.

They bring me in. Hey, what are you doing on your YouTube? Right? That's not when I found out. It was my YouTube. Like, yeah. YouTube? Yeah.

Are we having a conversation here about YouTube? Yeah, that's what it was, dude. And it's funny because so the special agent in charge, the assistant special agent in charge, the deputy special agent in charge like four ranks above me they're all in this room right like you know they're like what are you doing man you know what's going on here and you know i explained i'm like yeah i got this i got this podcast that i'm doing um i got people that rely on me etc and he's like okay look this we're we're going to do i'm going to rescind your authorization paperwork and i'm like what because now i can't run my business anymore because that that's what like i was i used because i did everything above

board what are they saying the issue is they're saying it's your youtube they didn't know exactly what because obviously OPR didn't tell them, but they knew it had something to do with my YouTube, right? I would think that that's important. Like, you can't just say, oh, you're not saying you can't have a YouTube? Or you're saying there's got to be something specific that I'm doing. Like, what is it I'm done? This is what they said.

They said, look, you got a clearance. You got to testify. You got a big case. You can't be on internet saying certain things. I'm thinking it's probably because I'm like saying shit, like don't be a simp, you know, don't be a sucker, like stuff like that. Which, you know, even though like for us, right, as creators, we might be like, that's not that serious.

But for them, right, as a government employee, they're like, oh, bro, you can't do that. So whatever. And this is 2020. This is like before, you know, we got the craziness right now, like with Cash Patel coming in and everything else. Yeah, yeah. This is almost the height of kind of the woke fucking, like there was, there were a couple years there. Keep mind, I got out of prison. Yep.

And I, and woke was just coming up. So over the next few years, I'm, I mean, I'm sitting back going, this is a different fucking world, not just technologically, but the mindset of these fucking guys and women and just everybody's in fucking same. Yeah. And this is November. So Biden won. Like Biden's in. Right. Right. So like, so this is like no, yeah, this is November when I got this email. And then I got this email. I go to the OPR office. They take my phone. Next day they call me in for a meeting. Hey, what's going on with is YouTube, et cetera? It's your YouTube, blah, blah, blah. And they're telling me like, dude, just, because these are government in place, career long government

in place, they don't know anything about making money on the internet. They don't know anything about in marketing, whatever. So they're like, dude, just let this shit go. Because they're thinking it's like a hobby, right? They don't know how much money I'm making, right? Doing it. So they're like, dude, just like let it go, man. You got a big case, like whatever. Because they didn't want me to leave. Like, they were like, you know, we're going to take this paperwork away because obviously we got to see what the hell happens with this OPR investigation. But, but, you know, just, dude, just leave it. Bro, it's not that serious. Or, you know, and he said, you know, I'll revisit this after the OPR investigation is done, but here's

a problem. That could take up to six months. Right. Right. So I got to be off YouTube for six months. And at this point, I got employees. A guy had just went from Chicago, came to Miami to work with us. And then my partner, Fresh, he had quit his job.

He had a job that he hated and he quit it. And he was the most happy I'd ever seen him. Right. Meanwhile, I'm like, man, I don't want to leave my job because I loved it. So I had a real tough decision to make. So I go back and forth with them. Like, we work something out, blah, blah. They're like, no, we're sending your paperwork.

So they basically put me in a position where I was like, I either have to resign, right? And, you know, pick my business or I work for the government and I can't do anything. Are they, were they when you made that decision or the fact that you were even contemplating it, were they in shock that that was it. They must have been like, oh, we'll rescind it. He'll do what he's supposed to do. He's obviously he's got 10 years in.

He's not going to fucking walk away from 10 years of. They were banking on me. leaving my business. Right. They were. Like at what, 20 years you can retire? Yeah.

So at 20 years. 25 for me because I came in early. But yeah, 55 I'm done. I mean, it's like, or 45 I'm done. Who's going to walk? He's not going to walk away from that.

Because they have no idea that, hey, there's behind all of this. Behind the content, the attention and the, I mean, the exposure is, no, no, there's actually,

I'm making money. And I'm making money doing something I love. Yeah. And nobody's ever going to shoot at me. Yeah. Yeah. They had no idea, right?

Government employees, like, have no idea how to make money on internet. So like to them, they couldn't even fathom it. So like they, I'm pretty sure like when they said that, they're like, yeah, he's got a big case. He's one of the best agents in this office. He's not going to fucking do no bullshit. He's going to leave. But no, I ended up, I'll never forget, man. I made the decision. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to resign. And they were told me like, are you sure, blah, blah, a bunch of people called me. People back from Texas were calling me. What the fuck are you doing? Don't leave. You know, this is a great job. Are you sure like you're going to do this? Because like, to them, like, government employees can't fathom.

Like, leaving a steady paycheck. You get a take home. are making the six figures a year, benefits. You know, it was a great job, dude. Like, even now, I think about it every day. Like, I never wanted to leave. I never wanted to leave. But they kind of put me in that spot. And the reason why I left, really, was because I had people depending on me.

You know, and I'm not afraid to admit this. If I don't have people depending on me, I probably wouldn't have left the government. Right. I probably wouldn't have left. I probably would have said, you know, fuck it, it is what it is. Yeah, I made some money in my business business. I'll get a started backup after this investigation is done and I get cleared. But I had people depending on me at that point.

all like, I can't just take six months off the internet because they left their jobs. Right. So I ended up betting on myself December 5th, I'll never forget. I walked into the office. I turned in all my gear. I turned in my vest, badge, credentials. It was literally one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, man, when I had to go and turn in all my stuff.

And turn in my government car. And then I went home. And then we just went full in with the podcast. Yeah. So, yeah. So at that point, you know, it was sink or something. swim with the podcast. Right.

At that point. I think all that. Yeah. Well, it's not like, so if you left in, you sound like you left in bad standing, right? No, I, I left. You could apply. You could, you could apply to get a position again. Yeah, no, I left on good standing.

You know, I didn't, I didn't like, you know, berate them and say, screw you guys or any of that other stuff. You know, I left, you know, obviously, you know, amically. Some people try to say I got fired on them. I'm like, dude, no, you're an idiot. Like, I literally, you're always going to say that. Yeah, people are stupid. But no, I ended up leaving. very amicably. And that's the other thing, too, because people say all the time, you don't use your real name.

The reason why I don't use my real name, I want to make sure I get the whole story out there is because I have a very unique name. It's Amaran photo. If you Google me, like my real name, you'll see criminal complaints come back of cases that I've done. So I was like, okay, if I'm going to go ahead and do this fitness business and I'm going to go ahead and be like on the internet, probably not smart for me to use my real name, which is like very unique and no one has it, where someone can Google and find all my criminal case stuff. so because I didn't want people to know what I did like for my real job so um that's why I used that name for so long then obviously it's stuck after after the fact okay yeah people try to say you change your government name no I didn't people are stupid because I had to clear it and stuff so yeah that's why I use that the stage name myron gains while I was working how'd you how'd you come up with myron gains oh um it's a play on words myron gains like from the bodybuildin.com forms from what

trolling like the misk on the bodybuilding.com forums like I was no idea what that means you my and my gains it's it's a plan words oh yeah it's a plan words okay like from a decade ago it was funny shit but back then like the z's era for those that are familiar probably watching us so you were friends with uh fresh beforehand how how did you guys did you mean him in Miami yeah so he was in Miami I was in Miami I met him through another YouTuber a guy named solo TV 84 because um I was making like dating slash fitness slash red pill content and solo was in that community. And he had known Fresh because he had done a collab with him before. At the time, Fresh was doing pranks like gold digger pranks.

So we ended up coming together and like talking about dating in Miami and people really liked it. Because at the time, there were dating channels, but there weren't really dating channels like focused on like Miami or like dating in the United States. Like some of the biggest YouTube channels that like focus on dating, it's all passport bro stuff. right so there weren't many channels that were like devoted to like dealing with like american westernized women because like most of the most prominent dating coaches like already left which i don't blame them like you know the west kind of sucks but um i think that's another reason why people really like this is because like we had good production starting out and we covered dealing with women in america and then in one of the toughest cities of miami okay so

and we also brought social media in as well like how much social media impacts dating in 2020. Well, now it's 2025, but back then. From the get- From the get-go, was it the roundtable with all the girls? Or would- Yeah. What's the, yeah.

Sure, no, great question. Yeah. So it started with us just like doing like, episodes where we're just talking about like dating, like, getting your credit on point, getting money, getting in shape, right? Just improving as a man. And then one day, me and Fresh had done like a double date with these girls, right? And we don't really drink.

I mean, now we pretty much. quit drinking all the way. But I remember like we had a couple of drinks this night. And we had the girls in the studio. And first is like, bro, he looks at me. He's like, you know, you can see that he's like leaning and he's like, we should turn the cameras on and go live now. I'm like, what?

Bro, it's like 11 o'clock at night. What are you talking about? It's like, let's just do it. So I was like, all right. So we just like, we're fucking life. What were you having such a, was it just a good conversation or were these two girls just like? Yeah, we were like chatting up with the girls talking about some shit. Because they were like, it was like, like, girls that we knew.

So it was like, it was like whatever. And we just like turned the show on. And we just like turn a camera on and just started talking with the chicks and people enjoyed it. And then like we just started bringing girls on a show and expanded from there. But that's how it started. How many, how many views were all, initially were your videos getting? So we were getting, man. So 2020, I remember we had like Rolo Tomas.

see it come on in like February of 2021-ish we had like 20,000 subscribers back then. And then we're getting a couple of thousand. And then, yeah, I mean, we really started to grow. Kevin Samuels had come on. He was blowing up at the same time, you know, rest of peace to him. Yeah, I can't believe he, bro. He seemed like, like, that's like, I was, when I heard he died, I was like, well, he's not like he's old.

And he looked like he was in good shape. Like, I don't know. Yeah, crazy, man. shocking. Yeah. Yeah. Without that had us all crazy. Like we just collab with like all the big names in a red pill man. And like we just grew because I think the thing with us was like we were young and we were in the game and we were in a major city in United States talking about this stuff. And we really like we were talking about social media as well and how that impacts women. So I think that alongside like collabing with these guys and then also kind of having like a more talk show atmosphere and bringing girls in. Like that just helped us really like grow and propel because like we brought a lot of. these guys on it. And then also it's like a very serious problem for a lot of guys. Like a lot of guys like really struggle with women and like getting out there and dating. So like we were kind of just out there calling it like it is and telling guys what it is when it comes to the dating marketplace because and then also TikTok blew us up. That's another thing that blew us up. I forgot to mention. Is there a vetting process for the girls? How we're talking off camera like, you know. I don't handle it at all. I have a buddy that that does that. Like I don't deal with the girls whatsoever. So like a lot of times like I'll just walk into the studio and they'll be there and I'll just like sit down and just we film. Yeah. I don't even know who they are. Nothing. And like, I don't, yeah. How do you guys do that? We bring girls on three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

We film Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We do our, like, Money Mondays, then we do Womanizer Wednesdays, then we do, like, calling show Friday or a special guest. And then the girls are after hours. So we do six shows a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. The daytime show, then a nighttime show. And then I do my- hours are you videoing a week?

Oh, man. Well, now that I do my talk show as well, I'm usually filming like five, six hours of content a day. Geez, I thought we were smashing them out. Yeah. And you have to think we schedule like seven or eight a week, four people show, maybe four or five. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What I'm dealing with, these guys are- People are idiots, yeah.

Yeah, you know, they... We just had a podcast this morning before he came. Yeah, he didn't show. Yeah. We have somebody on schedule tomorrow, and he's... He just hasn't responded at all. I've already taken them off the schedule. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I sent you four emails, like, four text messages. You're not responding. Crazy, yeah. That's absolutely crazy. That's why, like, for me, I was like, when I locked in, I was like, yeah, I'm coming up, you know, I was just pissed off at the airline, but that has nothing to do with you guys. How was Ian's?

What was it? Ian Beck? Ian Bick? You want to Ian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ian's great. I was in Connecticut. I was there because that's where my folks are at. And I hit him up. I was like, hey, man, I'm in town we could do something. And yeah, it was great talking with him. I brought him on my show. Very, very cool story that he has. But no, he's cool, man. One of the nicest guys.

What? Big is great. Yeah. No, I was going to say, because you were, you were to agree. agreed to come on here and then we couldn't whatever for whatever reason we couldn't you know get you here and then one day i turn it on and boom you're on ians and i went oh that was because i was home but my folks like live like did this guy fly up to connecticut no and you ian bick yeah no i can see why you'd be yeah no um because where he films is literally right next door to where my parents live so i had went home uh

why'd i go back up there to see my mom Like I hadn't seen her in a bit. So, and he films right there. So I was like, oh, okay. So I went two towns over and he was right there. Do you vacation? Do you like take a break of a hey, bro? I'm not filming this week.

No, man. Never. Very rare. No. No, I can't. Actually, I can't think of the last time I went like a week without filming. No. Yeah, because you're posting so much.

Yeah. It's insane. Like we thought, like everybody I know, okay, so I've got a buddy of mine, Julian and Dory and Danny Jones. And, you know, they do like one show, one show a week. Oh. And then, you know, and they, but they also get half a million. Yeah.

These guys get like, if you post less, like, you'll get more views. Right. Because, like, the scarcity, like, forces people to watch the content. Right. But, you know, we weren't, we were doing that. And we just weren't, we just weren't making enough to pay all more bills. We ramped it up. And it started doing better.

And we just haven't ramped it back down. We just never ran it back down. It's just continued. And it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, like four a week. Four a week that are probably between an hour to two and a half hours. Yeah, I genuinely think that, you know, more content is typically better than less because it gives you more opportunities to go viral and then also, like, it shows consistency.

And then like when you're constantly posting and you're consistent, man, like the Algo's going to just pick you up. Like, you know, some people are able to get away with posting once a week, especially like the bigger names or whatever. But. Yeah, we got more shots to hit the bull's eye. Yeah. Sometimes a interview we don't think is going to go viral gets 500,000 views.

We did. Yeah. We got one the other day it's got, what's it? I mean, it's past 500,000. And not only that, like, the more interviews you do, the more you can, like, take from that and put clips. Like, we got, we got a bunch of clips here that you can use. Like, you can literally, like, cut chop parts up into this and go back.

Oh, no. As you're talking, I'm thinking, that's a clip. That's a clip. I can typically glance over at Colby and he, you can see his hand. Like, that's a clip. Yeah. And then it's. Yeah.

And then it's just. That's why I make sure I'm succinct in each clip. All right. Yeah. And stockpiles, too. Like there's, I mean, okay, you can have 52 episodes in a year or now we have 400. You do that for three years. And it's like, we have viral clips on all these videos that we used to not clip that we're going back.

Let's pull these clips. Yeah, yeah. No, it's great, man. The thing is that, like, you know, for a lot of people, no, they might be lazy. It might be they just don't want to do it or they have other projects. But I genuinely believe, like, you know, you just got to be consistent, put a lot of content on it and you're going to blow up. Like, there's no way. Like, you know what I mean?

You hit the alcohol more and more. Like, you're just going to grow. Do you think anything's going to come of the government files, like JFK files, Epstein files, think anything comes to that? The question is, do I think they're going to declassify it? Yeah, do you think you're going to declassify it? Is there going to be any significant information that comes out with all this declassification? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So, okay, let me first say who was responsible for killing JFK, and then I'll go into what I think about the declassification. So JFK was hated by many people. A lot of people wanted him dead. The mafia, CIA, Zionist regime of Israel, and obviously the deep state in general. So I'll go through why each one wanted him gone. CIA wanted him gone because he vowed to break it into pieces. He had issues with Dulles. He fired him.

He had issues with Angleton. He felt like the CIA was just running wild. They were doing a bunch of stuff. He didn't like their, you know, operas that they were doing. He didn't like that there are narco trafficking to, fund their black ops, et cetera. He wanted to disband the CIA. The mafia wanted him gone because, so Kennedy's father promised that if the mafia

assisted with getting John F. Kennedy elected and rigging the election in Illinois, they would back off and they would be able to continue and operate with, you know, in their secrecy, right? But JFK gets in, his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, attorney general. Makes it his mission. He's not a comeback, makes it his mission, goes after them. brings them in. They're testifying.

He's leading an aggression, an aggressive push against the mafia. Now, this was actually in contrast to what Hoover wanted to do because Hoover didn't like RFK and he didn't want to expose the mafia because Merrillansky

had compromising photos of him wearing heels. A lot of people don't know. Jay Edgar Hoover was gay. Right. And he was a cross-dresser. He was gay and he was having an affair

with his deputy director. So Hoover kind of was like, I don't want to mess with the mafia because they have these compromising pictures of me. In the 60s, you know, some people might say, well, why did people care? The FBI is gay now. Back then in the 60s, you couldn't have a clearance if you were gay.

And being the director of the FBI and being homosexual would have been a huge problem for you. So that was problematic. So the mafia wanted him gone because they felt like he betrayed them after they helped them win the state of Illinois. Because it was a very close election. I think he ran against Nixon, was it? If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. I think he ran against Nixon.

So. Because Nixon eventually ends up winning after LBJ, right? Yeah. So, yes. And then LBJ. He wanted him dead too. LBJ didn't like Kennedy either. And the only reason LBJ got in

is because they brought LBJ in because they pretty much threatened him like, look, we want LBJ in. If you don't bring them in, we're going to expose the fact that you're having sex to all these women because JFK was a womanizer, right? He was a Chad.

So a lot of people wanted them going, oh, and then Israel. So this is the part that they never talk about, right? I've never heard the Israel part. Okay. And I'll talk about why they haven't shown you talked about the Israel part.

So there was a couple of reasons why Israel wanted him gone. Israel was formulated in 1948. The first prime minister, Ben-Gurian, they fought very hard, obviously, you know, to create their state through a multitude of different skirmishes with the Palestinians. They were a gun-haganah, which ended up becoming the IDF today, former terrorist organizations, but whatever, that's all of the conversation. The point is that Israel understood that they had barely survived a lot of these conflicts, and they had just lost in the Suez Canal crisis, right? Got embarrassed, et cetera. So they realized we need the nuclear bomb.

one ended up happening was there was a factory out in apollo pennsylvania called neumac a guy named shapiro ran it they were illegally smuggling uranium from this plant destined for what was back then palestine to israel and they were doing nuclear testing and creating nuclear weapons and they were testing it in domona and they were getting parts they were working with the french to be able to do this kennedy sent a CIA guy over there because he suspected because they had about a hundred Kilo's missing of this uranium to this area and they tested the soil. The soil came back pretty pure as uranium. And the only place I could formulate uranium that pure back then in the 60s was this plant in Pennsylvania. So he pretty much puts it together. Israel's doing nuclear

testing. And he knew that they wanted to get the nuclear weapon after the Swiss Canal crisis in Egypt. So he tells Ben-Gurian, look, we have information that you guys are doing nuclear testing. We need to do inspections and you guys need to de-arm. Ben-Gurion, panic. Pan-Gurion, panic. doesn't want to do this, creates like a fake, you know, nuclear site, whatever, to have the inspectors come in. Kenny sends the inspectors. He finds out that it was, you know, a sham factory. He finds us out. He says, these sons of bitches keep lying to me, et cetera. So he kept putting pressure on Ben-Gurion to keep doing these nuclear testing. And he threatened to withhold aid from Israel if they kept, if they didn't give him the nuclear inspections. This was a few months before his death. On top of that, his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, was pushing

to get the American Zionist Council to register under Farah, the Foreign Agent Registration Act. Now, this would have had to force the Zionist lobby to disclose where they were getting the money at. Why is that problematic? Well, it's problematic because you got guys like Bugsy Seagull, Marilansky, murder ink, etc., aka the Jewish mafia, the kosher mafia. They were contributing quite a bit of money to the Zionist Council alongside Jewish businessmen. So you had legitimate Jewish money and you had also illegitimate and legitimate Zionist money. coming into this organization to fund to send back to Israel. But they didn't want to disclose that because a lot of it was, you know, illegal.

Illegal from the Sunborn Institute where these, you got Jewish gangsters and Jewish businessmen working together. So, and they wanted to put them under Ferris. So with the nuclear inspections alongside the Ferret registration, that would have been a death blow to Israel because Israel was getting all support from American Zionists. And then, mind you, prior to the nuclear stuff, they're also illegally smuggling surplus, World War II weaponry from the United States to Israel. That's how they were able to get the Palestinians out and win all these skirmishes is because of the weapons that got smuggled from the United States through South America destined for Palestine back then, despite the fact that there was an embargo act and they

couldn't do that. So Israeli smuggling was super prevalent at post-World War II. And then they eventually got the uranium over there and they got the nuclear bomb, which to this day, Israel will never acknowledge that they have nuclear capability. They have the nuclear bomb. Right. And a guy ended up Vanunu, a whistleblower ended up exposing this and he got put like into um israeli prison for like 10 years they did a honey pot on him and they put him in he they had a masad check um they meet him in italy and they

they and massad ended up kidnapping him there but that's the guy that blew the whistle um on the whole um nuclear nuclear capability of israel that's all their conversation but anyway with jfk so these two things would have absolutely impeded israel's ability to to exist. So they needed them gone. So between the mafia, the CIA, and the Zionist Council, they wanted them gone.

And on November 22nd, when JFK was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, the people that organized that meet was actually the Texas Citizen Council, which was overwhelmingly run by Zionist businessmen, whether it's the guys that were, you know, funding it,

et cetera, the guy that filmed it, Abraham Zuprooter, Jew is Zionist. the guy that told Dallas PD to Perpwalk Oswald in front where he was eventually shot by Jack Rubenstein. It was a guy named Sam Bloom, Jew is Zionist. So there's Zionist fingerprints all over the JFK assassination. And a lot of people want him gone, right? They say, oh, Oswald is a shooter?

Oswald was in the shooter. There was six other shooters there. And I go into detail on this. I did a whole video where we identify each shooter. We talk about why they did what they did, where they came from, et cetera. So it was like six shooters, people on a grassy knoll. people in the book depository, people in a textile building. So the other thing also that's very important is there's the biggest movie that covers

the JFK Assassinations is a movie JFK from in 1991 by Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone is Jewish. His real last name is Silverstein. And then this is crazy, but the person that funded that film is a guy named Arnan Milchan. Arna and Milchan is a billionaire Jewish Zionist. who is a spy, self-admittedly. He admitted that he was a spy on Israeli television, and he was the one that funded JFK.

If you watch the JFK film, they go into the CIA connection, they go into maybe a little bit of mafia connection. But interestingly enough, the Israel connection is never mentioned. But then you look and you see, you know, the most popular movie on the JFK assassination conveniently leaves out this critical element

of people that wanted him dead, which was the Israeli connection. But then you look at who was involved in directing the movie, and then you look at who was involved in funny the movie, both Jews, one of them, a billionaire spy. So you think that when they release these, do you think that when they release the files,

that that's going to come out, or you think that's just completely suppressed? Like, that is one of the, I think that is one of the main reasons they've had the JFK files classified for so long because there's really connection. Yeah, I used to think, oh, well, they're waiting for certain people to die.

The truth is, like, everybody's fucking dead, what are you doing? And then also interesting. So right out of the, after, right, because JFK also did other things, too, that people didn't like. He had executive order, I think 11-11-0, where he wanted to get us off the fiat currency, wanted to have the money backed by some type of precious metal. I think he wanted to back it by silver or whatever.

He also was trying to get us out of the Vietnam War. He was trying to bring troops back. And, you know, obviously we know about the nuclear inspections, getting them registered under FARA. As soon as Kennedy died, Lyndon B. Johnson got sworn in. When Lyndon B. Johnson got sworn in, he turned around every. thing. He stopped the nuclear inspections. He gave Israel the most amount of money that they've ever gotten. He stopped the Farrah registrations. He became, he's what I would say,

he's our support of Israel, where we're super supportive of, you know, Zionism, started with the Lyndon B. Johnson presidential administration and then continued onward. The USS Liberty, when those sailors got killed, 30 sailors got killed, and they got attacked by Israel. He made them all signed gag orders and not talk about it. But we were attacked that day by by Israel. I actually had one of the guys on my show, Phil Turney, and he knew that it was Israel that attacked, but that is suppressed from history where they came in and they tried to do a false flag and blame it on the Egyptians. But yeah, Israel knew it was a U.S. warship or a spy ship and they still attacked it. Killed 30 sailors that day. A bunch of them got injured as well.

And then Lindy B. Johnson was the president at the time, made them all signed gag orders. They couldn't talk about it or get fired. Crazy. The huge cover up, USS Liberty. You can look it up. But yeah, but Linda B. Johnson absolutely came in and changed everything around that Kenny had. He stopped the executive order with the money, stopped their affair registration, stopped the Vietnam War from stopping. I was going to say, dumped a ton of ton more troops. Yep. But it spent, gave Israel way more funding. So, you know, and he kind of started this trajectory that we have with U.S. Presidents with this unequivocal support of Israel. It started with the Lindy B. Johnson administration. Kenny was the last person to say. stand up to Israel and he died for it.

Did that answer your question? Yeah. I think that's the main reason why they don't want to suppress that stuff. Because if the American people knew... They've been suppressing it, you mean? Yeah, that's why they've been suppressing it. Yeah, they've been suppressing it. If the American people knew that the CIA worked with a foreign government to kill a

former sitting U.S. president, you know, the government distrust is already an all-time high. Right. You know, so if they expose that, you know, and then, absolutely. Epstein, we know what he was. He was a Mossad asset, compromising politicians for the betterment of Israel. The Attorney General for the United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who presided over West Palm Beach when Epstein was there. Because the FBI was doing investigations on him all this time. He was told, stand down. He's intelligence. And he said this in an interview later on after he left the Department of Justice. So Epstein was absolutely being protected by high-level people. And, you know, this is the first time you look at someone like a Jonathan Pollard.

He spot on the United States. You know, he gave, he was probably the worst spy ever, worse than Chris Hansen, who was former FBI. He gave away so many of our secrets to the Russians. And he ended up getting pardoned. And he got flown in a plane in a private jet all the way to Israel. And he was met at the tarmac by Benjamin and Yahoo. This is a guy that sold some of our, you know, most important secrets. Israeli spy.

But, you know, there's clearly a double standard when it comes to our greatest ally versus, you know, other spies. But yeah, man, absolutely crazy. When did you start the True Crime Channel and how is it doing? It's going well. So I started that channel a couple of years ago. I started it like in 2023 or 2022. I think 2023, like late or maybe it was the end of 22 Christmas Day. So I used to only film on it once a week.

Sunday, I just do a reaction. But now I do, I change it to political and cultural commentary. I go Monday to Friday 5 p.m. And then I do the True Crime episode on Sunday. Same channel. Same channel, Myron Gaines X on everything. Okay. On Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Rumble, and I do the true crime episodes on Sunday specifically.

A lot of content for you to be knowledgeable in all the situations. Are you just educating yourself, consuming it all yourself, or do you have someone helping you curate, hey, this is what's going on? Like, you know, or is this your self-interest? No, it's just myself, man. I watch a lot of documentaries. The hell, I was watching a documentary on, like, the military industrial complex, like, while I was on the way here. I always stay up on the news what's going on with politics and stuff like that. Like Israel's planning an attack on Iran imminently in the next couple months here probably.

You know, with or without the U.S. support, they want to get rid of their nuclear facilities because they think that they have nuclear weapons, even though Israel has them. Well, Israel wants to be the only country in the Middle East that has them is really what it comes down to. Oh, funny story, by the way. Remember that guy, Vinunu that I told you about, how he got caught? Vanunu is the guy that was the whistleblower that Israel has nukes. Oh, yeah, yeah. So funny story.

The honeypot. Yes. The guy that got caught with the honeypot. He went to Epstein's father, excuse me, Gleine Maxwell's father. He ran a newspaper. He went to him to try to tell the story. That guy worked for Mossad. He's the one that told Galane Maxwell's father, aka Epstein's probably father of him, I guess,

because even though they were basically married, even though they say they weren't. Glane Maxwell's father is the one that turned in Vanu. because Glenn Maxwell's father worked for Assad. And he said, hey, this guy has information on new nukes. He has 55 pictures. He's trying to put out to the news. Go get him. And they honeypot on him and got his ass to put him in jail.

He's alive now. But he converted to Christianity and I think he left. But he's the one that blew it wide open. Is he alive still in Israel? No, no. He's somewhere else. I don't know if he's still alive now. But yeah, he spent like 10 years in Israeli prison.

He went to like a secret court and everything. They treated him like a spy. but he was the whistleblower on it, but he originally went with the story to Glenn Maxwell's father who ran like a newspaper or some kind of media, and he blew the whistle

because he worked from Assad, told him, hey, this guy has the nuclear stuff. And the reason why Israel will never acknowledge that they have nuclear weapons is because that would forbid them from getting foreign aid from us.

There was an act, I think, from like 1973, like a nuclear, a nuclear act where... Perflation. Yeah, there's a proliferation act that from like 1973. I don't know if it was Ford or um or gerald Ford or oh man now I'm drawing a blank but either way so like the early 1970s it's an act basically that if you procure

nuclear weapons in a in a certain way you can't get military or foreign aid from the United States that is why Israel does not okay now it's going to drive me crazy I got to look at for it that is why Israel will not acknowledge they never publicly acknowledge that they have nuclear weapons. 1978 president, Jimmy Carter signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act of 1978 into law, the bill which he had sent to Congress on April 27, 1977. The amendment barred U.S. economic and military assistance to any country that imported or exported spent nuclear

fuel reprocessing or uranium or enrichment equipment materials or technology, but failed to comply with International Atomic Energy Agency IAEA, full scope safeguards. That is why. When Trump meets with these guys like Putin, or Kim Jamm-moon, like, do you think that's overall good for the country? Or, like, do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah.

Where are you getting these questions? You know, I'm just scrolling, looking at YouTube phone nails and... You know, people hate Putin. I think, you know, I like Putin. I think he's a strong leader. I think making peace with Russia is better than not doing it. I mean, I think we should probably work alongside

or at least be amicable with other nuclear powers. You know, that's a big reason why I voted for Trump is because foreign policy, right? Like, look, inflation sucks, you know, eggs are expensive, milk sucks, whatever may be. But the realities with inflation, right, you can kind of deal with it. Like, you can just make more money, you know, cut your spending, buy certain products, whatever may be. Like, you can kind of deal with inflation.

But you can't deal with nuclear warfare. So it's like, and the thing is that the president, who's the commander in chief and the secretary of defense, they're the two people that got, you know, the power when it comes to the, you know, military conflict. So, you know, I knew under Biden, two wars broke out. We had obviously the incident going on in Israel and Gaza, and then we got Ukraine and Russia. So I was like, Kamala Harris coming in. She's in funny story.

She was in Ukraine a couple of days before Russia invaded. Like she, you know, someone makes jokes like she gave the terrible blowjob, I guess, because we ended up going to war or they ended up going to war. But for me, foreign policy was my number one voting thing, and I just want us out of wars. So I think making peace with Russia is the way to go. And I like the fact that, like, Trump is like, you know, opening up the communication, routes because the Biden administration hasn't talked to Putin for years. And in my head, I'm like, dude, like, how the fuck are we going to come to a resolution if you're

not even willing to talk to him? And we're over here giving billions of dollars to Zelensky, like the most corrupt, you know, leader in Ukraine. Ukraine's one of the most corrupt countries. So, you know, that's a lost war. Ukraine's been losing for years. It's amazing to me that Western media finally reported that Ukraine is losing. It took them like three years to admit it, but they've been losing. And the reason why is because we want to keep giving them tax dollars. And, you know, the Biden administration didn't want to admit. But we're losing.

All of Eastern Ukraine is pretty much gone. Russia has it. They're using the rule bowl. They're speaking Russian. A lot of them are ethnic Russians anyway. Like, we just need to end that conflict. Create a demilitarized zone. You know, let Russia have what they have.

Promise not to allow Ukraine into NATO and just end the war. Because this is ridiculous at this point. And we're paying for it. So, yeah. I think it's smart to, you know, people, you talk to other dictators. Like, bro, they're going to continue to leave. their countries. Like, we just need to have diplomatic relations and avoid war. Like, these are other nuclear superpowers, you know? People are stupid. They don't get it. So, war is bad.

I'm very anti-war. What are your thoughts on this girl that, what is it? She slept with a thousand people in 24 hour. Oh, yeah, Lily Phillips. Man, that is a... Would you all consider having her on the show? She's been on before. Oh, she has. She came on, like, before she blew up with that stuff. But, I mean, that's just that that is so that right there is like the the final form of feminism right you know what i mean like just being a blatant 304 and getting paid for and like she doesn't care about changing i saw like canis owen tried to talk to her um russell brand this woman doesn't care man like she's so far gone she's cooked she know she's cooked um you know rip to her mental health because like you know she i remember

she did a documentary after she had sex like a hundred guys in a day and you can like just see the soul like gone from her eyes after you know she's like you can like just see the soul like gone from her eyes after Because, like, women aren't designed to be promiscuous. They're just not. Like, you know what I mean? There's a reason why they can only have one baby per year. Like, their body is designed to hold one baby per year because they can only incubate one baby per year because they're supposed to have one man having sex with them per year.

Well, per life, really. But, you know, they're just not designed to be host. So when girls like this go against their grain, it just goes to show how far we fall in a society, to be honest with you. And a lot of women look at that and want to emulate it. They think, I can make a bunch of money or I can go viral. So many girls like destroy their life before you even start It's like thinking that they can be stars

But yeah Crazy So I have a question With Because I don't know bro because I don't know bro because I like there There was a time when I actually Watch the whole what was going on with Andrew Tate Yeah the whole thing

Actually we did a couple videos on it But then things progressed From that like what is like The last I had heard like They had dropped all the charges But then after that somebody said they're on home confinement in Romania. Like, what's happening?

Yeah. Well, you know, so it's like two different cases, I guess. And the thing is, it's not like, you know, for the first case, the prosecutors didn't have enough evidence for the, for, to even go to trial. But now they have this other case and like they're refining the file. It's like the criminal justice system in Romania is cooked. What's the second case? Basically the same stuff, like with some other, you know, alleged victims. So, so.

So what do you think the, like, what do you think the catalyst was for them to, like, listen, the FBI is not going to arrest you. Yeah. Homeland Security is not going to arrest you. Yeah. If they don't think they can win at trial. Yes. Feds are very, yeah, they're not coming after. Right. I was, I always say this. I'm like, look, the state will arrest you and then build a case. Yeah. That's why so many of their, of them will drop the charges. Because once they start investigating, they're like, ah, we can't put this together? Yeah. And what they're really hoping for is that you'll just say, can I get a plea? Yep. but the feds by the time they grab you and they're like, I don't give a shit if you take a plea. Like, we'll give you one. Yeah.

But we've been watching you for years. Yeah. You're done. You go to trial. You're losing. Yeah. Do you want to take? Yeah.

When I would work with AUSA, like we wouldn't, my AUSAs wouldn't even indict unless they they felt they can win at trial. Right. They weren't even indicting unless they were ready to go to trial. Like when I gave them my, we call it grand jury package, when I hand that over, that was pretty much ready to trial right then and there, one of evidence. So, but yeah, Romania is not as refined. Like for them, there's no.

probable cause they can arrest you then do the investigation it's all fucking they can hold you for certain periods yeah it's it's completely fucked up right um as with a lot of these you know eastern european countries um so initially they grab him they eventually six months or eight months or later he gets out he gets on a on a on a on a monitor he's on he's they're both house arrest house arrest yep eventually they drop that case and then they brought another case which is what is it similar to the first one yeah so the first one i don't think they dropped it but what basically they said was the judge said that this is not sufficient to go to trial. Like, you know, prosecutors go work on this.

And then there's like another case coming where apparently is going to get indicted a second time. But we don't know anything about this second case yet. Like, all the way. So it's basically just, this is like three or four women that are saying, oh, he did this. And that's what their whole thing is based on three people's. Yeah. It's a, like the thing.

And then you got the UK who they were been trying to go after them for years. Like they tried this like in 2012 or 2012. 2013, they try to come out of them and like, you know, the prosecutor never, you know, actually made a case. Now you're, now the UK has a case against them and they want them extradited. So you know what? It's like it's so I don't know what to think anymore. Because like when I looked at it, I was like, what the hell? Like, where are these women coming from whatever? Like, lies women are like girls that work for them or girls that they know or girls that they dated like a couple of these girls said, what? Why am I a victim on here? I don't

want to testify. Like, it's just off, man. It's just off. But then you look at like what's going on in Romania with like they had a guy that was democratically elected and then they like overturned the election anyway like Romania is an extremely corrupt country I've been there a few times nice place no fat girls which is great um but um you know but it's a it's a poor cropped crunchy country at the end of the day did they take all of his cars and everything they gave him back oh they got most of him back so it's like it's like yeah dude it's like they took his money they took his cars they gave him they gave him that's what that's what the goal was probably like strip this guy's guys a bunch of money he's running his mouth strip him nobody's going to say anything

Dude, yeah, because, like, you know, in Romania, it's a very poor country. I think the average Romania makes like 200 U.S. dollars a month, to 300 U.S. dollars a month. Those guys are making millions. They're rich as fuck. Like, especially when you take and you put it in Romania. So, like, you know, these guys, you know, the amount of money they've seized or whatever from them, like, they don't have to worry about that goes all to the government. So even if they're not able to prove a case, like they got a bunch of money and it's corrupt country. So it's like, it's crazy because it's like, you know,

Oh, they don't have enough evidence, but now they're going to come with some other charges. Like, what the fuck is going on here? Like, the judge has said themselves like, yeah, there's not enough evidence here to go to trial, which means the case is weak. It's flimsy. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, it's just wild, dude. I just saw it today, news broke came out today that the Trump administration is like,

is like saying like, hey, what's going on with these guys? Right. You know, because they are American citizens. Okay. Okay. And did they go? They were on your show before they kind of blew up, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Did your show? I think I've heard the say, people say. like fresh and fit blew up tape obviously that in other clips oh shit yeah no i mean you so you're no you're familiar like you know i don't like to say credit for like i you know i always say you know and tristan were going to be big no matter what right we were just um you know we had the honor of you know host them before they you know had the meteoric rise but they were going to blow up no matter

what so yeah how did you guys come across them like were they were they like full like were they full go at that point like as far as with their message when you first met them yeah so um So they've always had the same views, really. They haven't really changed. The thing is, so they were already famous. A lot of people don't know this. The Tate Brothers were already really famous Romania way before, you know, being famous in the U.S. They're like A-less celebrities over there.

But they had spent so much time in Europe that like the Western audience didn't know about them yet. So we had known about them. So like my partner, Fresh had like done a stream with Andrew. And then, you know, because we agree on like 90% of stuff. So like, hey, you guys got to come out. to Miami hang out with us. We know, we're getting a yacht, whatever. So they came to Miami.

We got a yacht. We had a good ass time. Took pictures, you know, shot some content. And then we did the first podcast with Andrew and it blew up, right? And it was awesome. We had like a three hour conversation. We covered so many different things. But yeah, man, like, yeah, definitely, you know, we had them on before the meteor

ira rise, but I truly do think they would have blew up no matter what. The first podcast I did was a guy named Danny Jones, which is not far from here. And I did that. And it got a couple million views. It was like a two and a half hour. thing me just telling my story. But it was amazing because keep my, bro, I'm just out of, out of the halfway house.

Yeah. I mean, I've been out maybe three months, two or, wait, yeah, I've been out like three months. And so many people were, one, my email's not out there. They're tracking me down. They're sending me, they're finding me, which I'm thinking, that's impossible. They're finding my email. And then guys are asking me questions like, bro, like, can you talk to me?

I have a problem. I don't really have any male influences. or any male, strong male males in my life. And they're asking, and to me, a guy who'd been locked up 13 years, on the run, three years, grew up with a dad. Like, when I went to prison, this wasn't an issue. This wasn't something you talked about. Certainly wasn't something that somebody felt comfortable.

If it was an issue for you, nobody felt comfortable enough to even ask. You just dealt, you hit it, you dealt with it yourself. Guys are emailing me saying, you know, I'm 22 years old, I'm 21 years old. I'm 21 years old. I've never had a girlfriend. I never this. And I'm thinking, how's it possible? Dude, it's crazy.

And so it wasn't until I got on YouTube and I started seeing these videos and seeing the way these guys behaved that I was like that like it was the fact that it was actually an issue. And it was something that in prison, you never, I never heard about this in prison. That's not, you know, first of all, you don't have internet in prison. You don't have YouTube. You don't have any of that. Of course. You know, you've got an email system that, you know, that even the email system is going through is a pass-through email system. So I can't email you directly.

It's basically you go, you leave a message here. I check the message. I leave a message here. You go check that. Gotcha. So there's none of that. Maybe I get to watch TV, but they're not covering this stuff. Yeah.

Not at that time. So anyway, what's funny is so I started hearing about all that. And so as I'm looking into it, your videos start popping up. Your videos, Andrew Tate's videos. You know, the other influencers in that kind of genre start showing up. And I just remember being shocked. And then I'm still not thinking anything about it, right? Like, I'm not thinking it's as people are taking this as serious as they are.

I'm very, like at that time, I was living in someone's, someone's spare room, actually. I was living in like a roaming house. I just out of the halfway house. And it wasn't, it was here. I just moved here. I just moved here. I got, I had a contract with a, a production company and we were doing an entire series based on my stories. So I have an agreement

with you. We're shooting. We're doing videos. I have that closet. There's a whole soundproof thing. And I spent 20 hours with these people that I flew out to L.A. and met, right? I went out to L.A. and met a bunch of producers. And these producers came and they made an offer. And so I'm now doing a, I'm going to do a whole series. Nice. So this is where I explained to you that Andrew Tate got me fired. So I do 20 hours with these guys on one of my stories because when I was in prison, I wrote a bunch of true crime stories.

I don't know if you know that. So in some of them I've optioned, sold options. Oh, yeah, no. Yeah. Nothing's ever been made. You know, so these guys are like optioning those stories and we're doing an entire series based on them. So we're doing the stories and I've done 20 hours.

and at some point, now keep mind there from LA. They've talked to me, but just about my story. Yeah. They don't know my opinion. They don't know, you know, and I feel like I'm very, I don't try and offend anybody. You know, I don't, my opinions are my opinions. I'm not pushy. And Andrew Tate had just been canceled.

Okay. So this is 2022 August around that time. Right. I just kind of moved. Yeah, exactly. We just, because I had another. He's a good friend of mine. So, yeah, I remember this vividly when they canceled him everywhere.

Yeah, listen, man. And I remember, too, when that happened, I was like, this is, first of all, he, initially his response sounded like, I was like, come on, bro, and everybody's not against you. And then this one and this one. Yeah, it was literally domino effect. And I was like. YouTube, Instagram, meta, all like same week, Twitter, everywhere. Yeah, listen.

And then everything that he initially, the insanity of videos that he was talking about prior to that seemed so insane came to fruition over the next. next six months and I was like, Motherfucker. Like this guy is saying like, this is how it works. This is what they do. This is how they come for you.

And then boom, boom, boom, boom. And then he's arrested in another country. Then they're persecuting him. Now eventually they're, you know, like it's like, you have no evidence. They're saying you have no evidence. They're, anyway, my point is that I'm doing this whole thing with these guys.

But keep mind they're from L.A. Yeah. Super woke. Yeah. And I have no idea. Like, I'm not really not sure. Right. I mean, I'm not trying to say anything crazy or anything.

And every once in a while they say something. And I remember, looking back on it, you'll appreciate this, is that I had one, there were two producers. One of the producers was a female. And at some point we talked about my, which is my wife now, the girl, we were dating at the time. And I started dating her. And I said something. I said, yeah, she didn't even want to date me when we first started dating. And, you know, we were, eventually we were going to go to dinner.

And, and, and she was like, well, we'll go as friends. And I was like, no, I don't want to go as friends. We're not going with friends. And she's like, why? And like, I told you this. I was like, no, we're not going as friends. I'm just a date. She's like, well, I don't want it to be a date.

We'll just go as friends. We can't go as we can't be friends. I was like, no. There's no reason for me to be friends with you. I was like, let me explain something. I said, I said, because the whole time that you're thinking we're building a friendship, I'm thinking, how do I fuck this check? Yeah, yeah.

I said, so I said, I don't need, I just not going to be friends with a hot chick that I want to fuck us. I'm not going to mislead you. She's like, well, then we won't go out on a date. I said, then we won't go out on a date. Yeah. I'll find someone else. You'll find someone else that is interested. Yeah.

Calls back, you know, a week later. Well, we can go, you know. This goes on for like two or three weeks until eventually we actually do meet. And we meet. And of course, we make out that night and everything's going. And then we start dating. And it's funny, too, because I remember I was talking to my ex-wife on the phone before I was going there and she says to me, why are you going on a date with a chick that's told you she's not

interested, said she doesn't want to date you? Because I think she does want to date me. She texts me. She flirts with me. I think she's interested. And she goes, she's told you she's not. I was like, right. So here's what's going to happen. We're going to go to dinner. I'm going to be charming. I'm going to be funny. And I said, at the end of the date, I'm going to lean in to kiss her. And she goes, what if she doesn't kiss you? I said, well, then I know. Then I know. I'm not afraid, listen, for 13 years, every two weeks when my mother came to see me, I had a guy tell me, stripped down naked, bend over, spread your ass cheeks, and cough. You can't embarrass me.

Yeah, it's true. So I'm like, if she pulls back, she pulls back. Now we know, and I know 100% I'm wrong. And if she does kiss me, then I know she was, it was all bullshit to begin with. Yep. So, and of course, you know, it works out. But that conversation I have with one of the producers. Yeah.

We're joking. Like my, I don't know what happened. The female overheard, though. She hears the conversation. Every single time, bro. They bring in another producer. I now think she was so offended that, you know, because she was like, you don't think men and women can be friends. And I'm thinking, I go, no.

Yeah. No, you dumb bitch. Like, that's not, that's not. No, I don't believe that. I'm sorry. I have, I have girls that are friends that, but I'm not attracted to them. They're married. We're not attractive.

And we're not going out to dinner. We're not hanging out. You know, this is like you, we're dating as couples. Yeah. We go to events as couples. So, you know, what I say, we're friendly. We're friends. But, you know, we're not hanging out.

And that's a very nice and professional way to say it. I'm worse. Anyway, what happens is, so I'm still working with these guys. 20 hours later, they bring in it, they bring in this new producer. We have several episodes. And at some point, we are talking about the financial crisis. Okay. And she's a black girl, woman.

And she makes a comment. Keep in mind, this is on Riverside, you know, the platform Riverside. So I can see them, they can see me. Okay. And I see her go, you know, this systems, you know, the systems, it's rigged. She says something about it being rigged by old white men. Of course. And I was like, okay, I'm like, you know, but they can see my face.

Yeah. And I'm thinking, don't say anything. She didn't know what, you know, whatever. And I was like, okay. Anyway, and then so suddenly the one producer is like, like, okay, well, he's like, what, but what do you think about that, Matt? First of all, that's nothing to fucking do with this, what we're talking about one of my stories here.

Yeah. Happen to happen during the financial crisis. She makes us off the cuff remark. Right, right. Yeah. That I guess I'm going to ignore. I disagree, but I'm going to ignore. It's a system that's allowed you to be.

You know what I'd have been like, shut the fuck up, Shenequa. Yeah. Yeah. But she, anyway, so she, so she, so she says that I say something. I go, well, I disagree. And I'm like, well, and I said, but it's fine. And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, it's fine.

Disagree to disagree. He's like, well, what do you mean? He digs in. We start talking. Then we start going back and forth. Well, what do you think about this? Well, I don't understand. What do you mean? And we go back and forth and to shorten the story, it ends up being, I said, well, I said, I said, I just don't understand why you can't have a disagreement with someone. I said, it's like if you agree with 85% or 90% of what something someone says, and they say 10% you disagree with, suddenly you want to get canceled. Yeah. And she makes a comment about. about Andrew Tate. Of course. And I said, yeah, I said, well, I said, I feel like that's ridiculous. I'm like, look, I agree. He probably 15% of what he says. I said, I disagree with. So, you know, I disagree that you should have, you know, whether you can afford it or not,

you should be able to have four wives or five wives. I think that. You believe him in agony. Yeah. Well, I believe that this country was based, is based on Western values. And you get married and you have two or three kids. And you, you know, that's, I believe that. I get it.

Fair enough. Right. So other than that, I'm on point. Wake up early. Work out. Open their doors. Pay for things. Be a man.

Make money. Work three jobs if you have to. Like, I agree with everything, everything else. I just have an issue with how you go about treating women. And also probably the, it's the pitch. You know what I'm saying? It's the delivery. Like the message is great.

The delivery, but that's the shock value that got him the attention, right? Of course, yeah. He's toned it. way down now. Yeah. Right? So, but initially I get it. It was a shock value and that's what gets you, got you, gets you all the views.

So as I'm explaining this, I'm like, but I disagree. I said, I disagree with some stuff, but I agree with most of it. And she's like, I said, yeah, I said, let's face it. I said, a lot of stuff he says is funny. And she's like, like what? And I went, I said, well, it's funny. And some of it, it's true. Like I said, look, let's face it.

If you're a hot chick, I probably shouldn't have said chick. So if you're a hot chick, I said, like, he has this thing where he's like, look, a man has to make all the right decisions throughout his entire life to end up getting on, standing on a $20 million yacht. Yep. Said, this chick can be, have a makeup kit and be 22 years old. Fuck that guy. Fuck him for two or three years.

And he could, she can end up with that yacht. Yep. And I said, listen, I said, the top 10 most wealthy women. I'm like, eight of them. Yep. Made all their money because they married a rich man and divorced him. Two of them. One of them inherited it.

And then one of them barely makes the list at all. and she's nowhere near in the top thousand richest people when you throw in men in. I'm like, but out of women, yeah, she's in there. She made her own money. Get it like Martha Stewart or something. So I say that and she's, they're like, you can just see the look on their face.

They're like, okay, Matt, this is the guy. He's like, Matt, I think we're going to have to talk about this. And I'm sitting there going. Brough. Keep in mind, too, this agreement, this contract with them. Yeah. I'm probably going to make two or three hundred thousand dollars at least. and I went, I'm not realizing what I've said.

Yeah. And I went, they said, so we're going to, I'll get back. Let me give you a call in a couple days. We're going to have to have a talk about this. And I was like, I said, okay, so I said, are we done? He's like, yeah, I said, oh, okay. And I just disconnected. Two days later, hey, Matt, are you available to talk at two o'clock, whatever?

I'm like, yeah, sure. I talked to the guy. He's like, yeah, we're going to have to sever the relationship. Wow. He's not, I mean, I'm not saying you're a misogynist. but you know I have to worry about my employees and protect them and I'm thinking that was it and I my first thought was Andrew Tate caught me fire I just said the same thing and I'm like and listen afterwards when I had a conversation with my wife about what happened and she's like

you need to keep your opinions to yourself isn't that crazy though you'll also have to understand that like if you want to get your message out there you have to I mean I understand you've obviously made your decision on this yeah you know you have you have to you have have to, a big part of his delivery. Of course. Like take, oh gosh, Peterson thing. Why can I never. Jordan Peterson?

I always, yeah. I always want to say Jordan Belfort. So Jordan Peterson, listen, he's not saying anything different than anybody else is saying. Yeah. But he's, you know, he says it very much more analytically, much more calmly. Yeah. Politically. Listen, they're still fucking go after him.

Yeah. Like, so I just think it's the delivery. Yeah. That's the biggest problem. And that's kind of what I realized. I looked at it like whether you're posh like Jordan Peterson or you're a bit more crass about it like Andrew Tate, they're going to go after you no matter what. So I looked at it like, you know, fuck it.

I'm just going to call it like it is. And I do think also that there's a level of respect that's gained from being genuine and saying things how you want to say them. Obviously there's a place where you can, you know, practice some decorum, et cetera, and you know, on other people's platforms. But I do think in general when it comes to you making your own content or whatever, people do have like a ridiculous amount of appreciation for people that can just say things like they are. So when you got kicked off TikTok.

These opinions are mine, not Matt's guys. Okay. So when you got kicked off of TikTok, did you start another one and get kicked off again? Yeah, I got kicked off so many different times. I just stopped making accounts. But TikTok alongside doing the podcast. And mind you, in 2020, YouTube wasn't as inundated with creators as it is now. Like it really got saturated in 2020 because a lot of people on the,

that like thinking, I'm going to be on the internet. So luckily for us, like, we got it, we kind of got an end of good time. We utilized TikTok. We did it. And we also, the big thing that we did was we kind of came in with good equipment off rip. We came all good cameras, good microphones, and we were able to scale the podcast from there because we had a good foundation. So I'll say those things definitely helped with us growing pretty quickly. What, so what happened with, so, I mean, are you, you're on YouTube, but we still are. So what ended up happening is we got demonetized in August of 23. Permanently

demonitized? Well, yeah, we've been demonetized since. We reapplied, but like, honestly, we're not holding our breath. But we work with Rumble quite a bit. So we still stream on YouTube. All of our content is still there. But, like, anytime we get into, like, you know, touchy subjects or whatever,

we switch to Rumble. Because, like, we dual stream. Like, we'll stream everywhere. And then, like, whenever things go crazy, we just switch to Rumble, which, you know, obviously, you know, shout to Chris Pavlowski and Rumble, because you know, they stand for free speech. And I hope that the rest of these tech companies kind of, well, you see them kind of going out now.

Listen, when they're trying now when Trump came in. Because on day one, Trump signed his executive order where he would ban government collusion with social media companies to suppress people, which actually happened to us. And you guys can look this up. The Department of Homeland Security wrote a paper talking about the Manosphere and hateful content.

And us, Andrew Tate, Pearl, Sneco, a bunch of big, you know, pro-masculine creators were put on this list. And we got like, I've noticed, like, they've shadow banned us on YouTube. It's hard to find us. Views went down. People randomly unsubscribe. So they absolutely launched a crusade against us on this paper as well as many other Red Pill channels. But, you know, now technically that's illegal with this executive order that Trump signed because like literally it's the government writing a paper. They did a whole congressional hearing on this too. They literally went after American citizens and suppressed our, our voice on YouTube, colluding

with them. So, Facebook, Mark, what's his name? Zuckerberg. We got banned off meta, too. Yeah. We got banned off meta. You know, and he's, now he's saying, you know, more freedom of expression.

We'll see what happens. I was going to say, like, how, how, what a turnaround. Yeah. I mean, you know, like when he did a whole video on it and everything, the whole time I'm thinking, man, bro, like, if I had very little respect for you to begin with, like your complete turnaround. Like I get it. Like he at this point he's like, hey, I just need to cut my losses.

Like I get it. But it's like, wow, like you're. Yeah, he wrote that memo where he purposely admitted like, yeah, we, we pushed, you know, COVID information out of pressure the Biden administration. Like, dude, Mark Zuckerberg is the biggest piece of shit scumbag. All these tech guys are, all of them, honestly. Like, they're all just here for self-interest. They're getting in with Trump now because they understand that they need to protect their self-interest. None of these guys are Republicans.

None of these guys are right wing. They were all liberal Democrats. They voted for Hillary in 2016. They voted for Biden in 2020. They're only switching their stance up now to protect themselves. That's pretty much what I was going to say. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean I was going to probably be, you know, softer about it.

So I do have a question. Sure. Okay. So have you considered softening your tone for these other, for these other to get back on these other platforms? Well, I made a new Instagram. It's Myron Gaines X and Twitter. All my stuff is Myron Gaines X. So I'm still around the Instagram's growing at a good rate.

The YouTube channel, which I do political and cultural commentary now, too. I do that every day at five. And then we also do fresh and fit as well. So my thing is this, right? If I go on other people's platforms, right, I chill out a little bit, depending on how crazy I can go. I'm obviously very respectful of people's platforms. But for me, I look at it like, you know, I always let loose on Rumble.

or Castle Club, which is like our Rumble and Castle Club work together, like locals. It's like our paywall stuff. But, you know, I think there's, you know, an enormous amount of value to be had when you tell the truth, especially about some political topics that are a bit taboo that no one knows to talk about. But, you know, I cover all that stuff. I might touch on YouTube a little bit. I keep it clean. But, you know, all the other stuff is on Rumble.

But, yeah, I'm more aware of, like, where I'm at. Like, if I'm on YouTube, I can't say certain things. Right. And then I'll just switch to Rumble to say what I got to say. or Twitter on Twitter. I'm pretty crazy on there. I'm a lot more political on Twitter. And I cover a bunch of different issues on there.

I'll say, you know, some people say, well, Myron, you know, where do you lean? You know, a lot of people say that I'm like far right or all right, whatever the hell that means. I would say I'm right wing. The only thing I'm like a little bit more center on is like abortion. Like I think like, you know, I think pro choice to a degree is fair.

but everything else I'm pretty right leaning on when it comes to immigration taxes, foreign policy you know, yeah so but you know nowadays like you know right wing was getting suppressed for so long on social media so thank God that Trump's

and so now we can like say what the hell we want to say but like yeah dude for the past four years they've been beaten us up censoring us so it's like really annoying have you ever had any girls on your show that have changed your mind on anything that you have a solid point or solid stance on. So one of the girls actually It works for us.

Her name is icy. Shout to her. She was like a dancer and like always drinking, right? Like she was a stripper. She was always drinking alcohol. Like her life was kind of like, you know, living in a fast life. And she came on her podcast a few times. And like she really started listening to what we're saying.

Now she works for us and like she stopped dancing. Like, you know, she's focused on being a good mother to her kid. And like, you know, she's woken up kind of, right? From the what she's been told and lied to about. So, you know, that's one girl. I could say like for sure like she's like changed her whole mindset but there's been plenty of girls that like came on the show we pissed them off and then they come back on a few years later they got a boyfriend now or they got a family or whatever I'm like holy shit or they lost weight so or like girls

will DM me or this happens a lot too where like I'll be out like I went to a gym shark event like a week ago and like the first group of girls like came up to first group of people that came up to who are actually women which is like not always the case because like mostly men watch my stuff but they're like yeah I watch my show I watch your show my boyfriend like any girl that watching my content nine out of ten times she has a serious husband a boyfriend or like a fiance right and it's like you know at first i watch your stuff and it really pisses me off right like they didn't like the way the delivery as you were saying um but like you know everything you say is right like you know it was hard for me to accept it at first but like you know it made me a better woman and i'm like damn like damn like

you know hell on the way here a guy uh came and uh stop me at the airport with his fiance like um or excuse me his wife and he's like yeah we watch your show together i'm like damn like you know it's cool so yeah i'm just gonna say if If I get recognized, you must get recognized just all the time. Oh, yeah. It's a blessing, man. And like when women do come up to me, they almost always have like a significant other. And I'm like, damn, that's good.

Like, we helped you find a boyfriend or we helped you in your relationship. What is your, on the analytics? Like, when I started the podcast, it was 98.5% male. It's down to 92% male for us. I don't know what, you know what I'm saying? Is it down to 92? Because we, because initially it was almost 100% men. And now it's slowly women are, and now I notice more, more women in the comments.

Yeah, women love true crime. It's 80% male, 19.7% female, 0.4% other. It's what now? 8020. 80. That's great. Wow. Well, they're going to be mad now.

Oh, you know, I just lost a bunch of them. Yeah, well, I saw that. Remember that the lady who commented. this the lady commented like something about uh some negative comment about you on margot on the not margot rodby ned dean's episode right and then you're like wow like you said like wow that's just mean and then she came back and she's like oh yeah she came back she's like i'm sorry do you ever yeah go so for us right now i'm looking oh this this went up 5% women 94% 97% men 5% women which is crazy because I didn't think it was we had way less women. It was like 1% before.

This is just a reverse of the question I asked before. Have you ever had any girls change your mind on any stance, any issues that you had like a pretty firm opinion on? I would say, so I've always been familiar with like women's gripes, right? Like as much as people say that like, oh, you just shit on women all the time, like I'm completely, you know, sensitive to their gripes where we got an epidemic of men that are soft, fat, don't understand that there's a masculine burner performance. They got to get out there and make money, be providers, et cetera. Like, I'm very sensitive to that.

I would say, if anything, it's definitely made me more. These are things I always suspected in my head of why women have issues with men. But, like, it confirmed that, like, guys just aren't holding off their part, which is, you know, to be fair, like, yeah, a lot of guys are losers. But the one thing I will say that was interesting that I didn't foresee is that more guys stink than I thought. Like that's like the number one complaint from women is hygiene from men.

Like physically stink. Like, yeah. Like bad hygiene is like the number one complaint that I got from women for like modern guys. Weird. Besides the M. B.M. Brokees is bad hygiene. Yeah. So testosterone levels from men have dropped dramatically. What do you think? I'm wondering if this, if you have a theory on that.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's a culmination of different things. It's the food, the water, feminism, like, where we're telling men to, like, you know, embrace their vulnerability, behave more like women. The TV, the pop culture. If you look at, like, a lot of the, if you look at movies in the 80s, right, Rambo fucking Terminator, et cetera. You look at people like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Rocky, et cetera. Like, the masculine leaders, Jean-Claude Van Dam, hell, even into the 90s, like, there was this whole thing with, like, being strong, being masculine, being the superhero. Like, you had this archetype. then once you get into 2000s what do they do they start like getting thinner weaker being more effeminate

and then now we're at a woke point where it's like the superheroes we're trying to like make them women and like woke now this is a more selfish question for us but uh twitter you don't have to say numbers but do you make are you monetized on Twitter no I'm demonetized on Twitter okay I'm demonetized and they took my badge away yeah yeah yeah yeah you can't like I mean you can't dial it back just a hair just to stay monetize so I got I got um so the reason why I got um D badge on Twitter was because there was a controversy going on with H-1B visas. And I'm very strict on immigration. Like, I think we need an immigration moratorium. I think we need to stop bringing people in for a few years to kind of fix the problems that we have here in the United States. And, you know, I used to work in immigration. So I'm, like, very familiar with how people scam

the system. And the H-1B visa is a huge visa that scam. So you got Vivek Ramas Swampi and Elon Musk, like, advocating for the age-1-b visa. And I was like, no, you guys are fucking wrong. Like, you guys don't know shit about immigration. You guys are billionaire idiots that don't know how immigration works. Like, and you guys don't understand like what the general population of America is dealing with. And these H-1B visas is nothing more than a visa that comes in and replaces American labor of skilled workers here. We need to employ Americans. America first. Not this fucking, not these foreigners. Get the fuck out of here. Right. And they don't like that. So, you know, I was, you know, being a, I was being very critical of the H-1B visa. And Elon didn't

like that. And he took my badge away for that. So whatever. Elon Musk. Can you imagine Elon? And I was Ray showing him too on X and he didn't like that either. And I'm also critical of like Israel. So like that's another reason too on X. So like, yeah, that just happens, I guess. But they demonetized me a minute ago. Like I was like, whatever. But then once they took my verification while I was like, okay, well, this is still lame. But I still get a lot of impressions and grow like crazy. Do you have any idea? Listen, I mean, I understand like you're in a different position than I am.

But the idea that like six years ago, I was laying in a bed in a prison wondering how it was going to feed myself. Yeah. And that I'm I'm now paying my bills making silly videos. Yeah, this is a silly conversation. Yeah, yeah. This isn't like, yeah. This isn't like, yeah. This isn't like, it's not.

It's not right. That's why when I see streamers like, what's harder a 9 to 5 job or making videos, I'm like, dude, you guys are fucking spoiled dumb fucks if you really think that YouTube is harder than a real job. Like, look, yeah, it's a lot of work. But like, dude, this isn't the same as working a real job. Like, this is like a blessing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was going to say, this really just gives me the ability to spend my time doing other projects that I find interesting that will never really make me any money.

Yeah. You know, and but I'm thinking like that the idea that, but see, you had more of a serious job. You were a serious person 10 years ago. Yeah. I'm thinking that 10 years ago that you would be in a position where in, where Elon Musk would even spend five seconds thinking. Yeah. You know what?

Let's go, let's go ahead and. take this badge and do this. Yeah, let's try and tighten down on this guy. Like, me? Like, I'd be like, I'm nobody.

I make silly videos. Like, how is anything I'm saying upsetting you? Yeah. In any, you know, in general, like even the people

that have been on your platform. Yeah. That are serious people. You know what I'm saying? To me, it's like, these are serious people that I would be sitting across,

even Lex, Lex Friedman that I'm, you know, went on Lex Freeman and that I'm not sitting across from Lex Friedman or. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he blocked me too. Yeah.

You blocked me. fucking pussy. I mean, you do understand that eventually you'll run out of people to piss off. Yeah, no, I mean, well, the thing with him, he, because what I say about him that made him cry, like, I said, I think I made like a, oh, what I, I think I posted like a meme that pissed him off. Because he posted something about him being in Ukraine or some shit. And I just, like, made fun of him. And, oh, and I also made jokes. I said, like, Lex Friedman is the best podcast anytime I want to go to sleep.

Come on, man. Let's be honest. Like, bro, he has, he's so fucking monotone and boring. That's half of the morning. He has a very monotone voice. Dude, I literally, yeah, that's what got me blocked. I said, you know, anytime I need to go to sleep, I throw on a Lex Friedman podcast. Do you block people? He's better than melatonin. No, I don't really block people. I never really, like, I never, even people that are caught. He's sensitive. He blocks, he blocks anybody that talks about him on Twitter. Really? Yeah, Alex Friedman is super sensitive. To piggyback on similar situation, there was a picture of 50 cent holding what, text from Drake of his, a list of his ops. Oh, that I was on there? Yeah. So what's your, what's the story? Yeah, so I basically said that Drake is responsible for like the effeminate generation of men that we have. I said that he's like single-handedly one of the biggest perpetrators of like making men weak and pussy.

Because if you think about it, like he's been popular since like 2007 and like guys are just gotten like weaker and woker and softer ever since like because he's like made it cool to like be a feminine and act like a woman. I'm in my feelings. You know what I mean? So it's like, dude, he took like hip hop and like made it. like weak you know what I mean so like that's yeah that that that's probably why and one of the tweets went viral when I said that do you think that ever reverses for the majority of men that the majority of men will be more masculine over time or more feminine over time I think we're working on it like guys like me and Andrew Tate like we're you know we're hitting it hard

trying to get guys to wake up um but the reality is that like you know there's a reason why like only what 40% of men are procreaters this beginning of time like a majority of guys just aren't going to get it like a lot of guys are just going to end up being sims suckers like I just don't I don't get like you remember I've heard me say this about my buddy David Simpson the guy that would go up the girls and like hey what's your number listen well I was driving around it's like 17 he was he younger than me older he said year younger or year older I'm driving around this is back oh this is wait you don't even remember this bro this is this is this is back in 1986 you know 87 so this was our our our I don't know internet or

whatever you want to call it, Facebook or Instagram was going to a strip mall. This was back when malls were a thing. Okay. And you'd go to, you wouldn't go to the mall. You couldn't go to the mall and do this. You had to go to the strip mall. And you would, all the high school kids would come and they would just drive around the strip mall. I mean, we're talking about one.

Oh, yeah. I used to do that, like, go to the mall to pick up girls. But yeah, this was a continuous stream of cars. Just like that. And guys are hanging out of cars and girls would go and they'd get out and they're standing there. And they talked to guys as they went by or girls would, you know, whatever. And so that used to be great. It was pretty cool, right?

I watched old film from the, not film, but like an old commercial from the 90s. And they asked a girl, what are you doing here at the mall? She was like to meet boys. Yeah. I'm sorry, continue on. So David Simpson's this kid. Actually, I know he was younger than me. That's right, because I was driving.

I'm 17. He was probably, I was 16 or 17. He was like a year younger than me. But he's tall, probably five, probably five, 10, 511. And I actually had dinner with him. We text everyone. while to this day, like, lost track of them, of course, because, you know, I was a lunatic for a while there. And, but he literally, I'm seven, I'm 16, 17, 17 years old and, you know, terrified to really talk to

girls, right? Like, I had a girl, I was had a girlfriend, but really was not the kind of guy that went up and talked to girls at that time. And David, he's driving and sees a group of fucking girls and goes, whoa, hold on, boom, opens the drum, still moving. Gets out and walks over. This happens all night. Walks over, walks right up to, like the hottest chick there.

He's like, hi, my name's David Simpson. And she's like, hi, shakes his hand. He's like, do you, I'm sorry, just, you're beautiful. Do you know what I can get your number? And she, the girl would be like, oh, yeah, hey, and they would write the number down and get it. He'd go, I got to get catch up with my buddy. And then he'd run and check, jump in. See, guys don't do that anymore.

He'd get five or ten phone numbers throughout the night. And I remember being like, bro, like, how, how are you, aren't you embarrassed? And he's like, why? And I was like, because like, what if that girl says no? And he's like, I don't know her. And he was, and he was like, I'll never see this chick again. Yeah. And I was like, I know.

but still she says no like it's embarrassing like he's literally listen listen he said Matt he said as many times as I ask girls will laugh this kid's a year younger than me yeah girls will laugh or say like oh my god you know they'll give me the whole you know oh I would never or I have a boyfriend he's like that he's like I totally get that I get why you have a boyfriend you're beautiful good like he's like I made her feel better I soften up for the next guy he was like jump back in the car and I keep going he was at the night I got 10 phone numbers I make the phone calls he's there waiting for me to call he's like date whoever I want to date And he was like, it's fine. It's sales, dude.

Like literally dealing with women is sales. He's a salesman now. Damn, damn, there you go. Owns his own company. Nice. sells windows and doors to new construction, flies all over the country. Anyway. But that's what it is.

You got to get the volume in. By the way, and has a beautiful wife, beautiful, I think it's three daughters that he hates all of their, all the guys they're dating. Oh, God. He also went in the military. Daughters are cursed, man. He's very much a guy's guy, too, by the way. But it was after I. I met him that I decided like, you know, I don't know this chick.

I've never seen this chick before. That's why I want sons. I'm like, man, fuck that. Listen, you know, it reminds me of the Dana White thing where he said he's telling his kids. He's like, listen, if you're even half a fucking savage. Yeah. Like, you were just got to fucking rake up in life because everybody's so fucking weak. Yeah, they are.

But in general, I'm saying that was the guy. And that's why I don't get it when you hear like 40% of guys at 25 or 30 have never slept with a girl or never had a girlfriend. It's like, I don't, it's because they're, I think, well, well, you come from a different era. And then also like, so, so, and I've talked about this in detail to on her show. So women back then had to get outside to meet men, right? They had to like get outside and actually do a little bit of work.

But now with the internet and online dating, Instagram, et cetera, they're getting DMs from everybody. They think they're the shit, dude. Right. It's really bad. Like, women have a level of hubris, like, especially like in Gen Z that is unheard of. because it's not healthy to get thousands of messages from men all over the place. And not only that, they're getting messages from dudes that are celebrities, athletes,

multimillionaires, et cetera. Like, that does something to their ego. By the time they come on my show, like, they think they're the best. They're delusional, dude. It's bad. So, like, girls, that's why some of you guys are struggling because average women think that average men no longer qualify. Like, they think that average men are not willing.

Yeah, they're all going for the 1%, which they don't qualify for. Exactly. What I'm, I'm thinking is it's funny because to me, I've never, there's never been a time that I can remember where I went up to a girl, asked her for a phone number, went on a few days, and we started dating. Almost every chick I've ever dated for a long period of time, years, didn't want to date me at first. I'm five foot six, bro. I mean, I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's all kinds of issues here, not to mention my personality. You know, so I've got major issues.

It's basically, this is a horrible thing to say, it's going to sound a stalker-ish. I basically have worn down almost every chick. This chick didn't want to date me. You're persistent, man. Yeah, I'm just persistent. It's like, you know, and then they, oh, well, we can be friends. No, no, no, no. I don't want to be friends.

I'm very upfront. I don't want to be friends. That's good that you, yeah, you put that. Yeah. You know, and so you lose some of them. Sure, but it's, it's the, you know, it's the, and you've heard me say, it's the numbers game. What do you do on the true crime show? I do that on Sundays.

Yeah, what is it? So, yeah, I cover, I'll react to cases. So, like, a case that's trending, I'll cover it. Like yesterday, I did, we, the Jack the Ripper recently got identified by DNA. Yeah. Did you see that? Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, from the Shaw. Tested somebody bought on, on, they auction off like one of the bloody blouses from one of the victims. And this person went and tested multiple parts of it. And one of the DNAs was a guy that had been investigated, but they could never pin it on him. And so they actually found out, boom, it's him. Yeah. Like, wow.

All this. Not super Polish immigrant guy. They identified him because, yeah, because he had been on the list. So that's why it was like a, you know, breaking thing because they had him as a suspect. So, you know, that was interesting to see that. So I covered the little, I do serial killers all the time. I covered the little dirt case with the murder for hire. He's cooked.

Holy. That's bad. I'm going to have something for you soon. With what? With the serial killer case. Oh, which one? I covered them all. Ted Bundy.

I could talk about serial killers all day. You haven't covered this. one. Which one? I'm working on a book right now. Okay. Garth Brooks. Okay. Who was your, who do you think was your favorite? Not that that sounds funny, but who's my favorite? Or what case do you like the best? I mean, you know what? No, I get it. Um, see, uh, that's a weird question to ask, but like, unfortunately, you're a true crime. I see. We get it. Unfortunately, I think it's probably Bundy because he, he escaped twice. Yeah. Like, it's, it's insane that he escaped. Like, he kept

escaping and stuff and that he you know it's you know and it was you know oh this is horrible this is horrible bro don't do anything with his tic-tok it was don't don't make a ticot i'm really writing favorite serial killer like like he he killed all women yeah he was consistent like he had a type you know what yeah dark-haired young college students right you know ted bundy a lot of people don't you know i've talked i literally mentioned this yesterday one of the most underrated developments that allowed serial killers to go crazy, especially in it, because I think in the 1970s was like the decade of serial killer. Yeah, yeah. Interstate highway systems.

Okay. No one talks about that, like how, you know, Eisenhower implemented it, got the project going. That was instrumental in allowing serial killers to, like, act almost with damn near impunity. If you look at someone like Samuel Little, Ted Bundy, a lot of these guys utilize the interstate highway system to, like, kill women in multiple states, get away with it and quickly, you know, go somewhere else. you know, I think Ted Bunny killed women in like eight or nine states from Oregon to, you know, Utah, Colorado, California, everywhere. Yeah. You know, it was interesting.

And, you know, with Ted Bunny, yeah, interesting what thing. I think there was a couple things that made Ted Bunny so memorable. He's multiple states. He escaped twice. He represented himself for a televised murder trial. And then he got caught. I think it was the first time it was done. Forensic orthodonic.

You know, when he picked the cheeks, the chick's ass cheek, like at a college campus when he got caught. Was it that or was it her breast? It was her ass cheek. Oh, okay. Yeah, he had bitten. But they don't even use that anymore. Like that evidence.

The forensic orthodon. Yeah. Now they're saying that it's not, it's not specific enough. Gotcha. So, and there were several people that like went to the, you know, whatever, gas chamber or whatever it was, you know, electric chair because of that. And now they're, they don't want to use it. They don't want to use it. Yeah, they had an overwhelming evidence on him.

Yeah, I was going to say, that's not the only thing. Yeah, he would have cooked anyway. And he had a very, like, if people look like, you had a very unique, um, crooked They were all jacked up. Yeah. So it was like, you know, even if you say it wasn't him, but like the witnesses, seeing him with the stockings. And he was smart.

Oh, yeah. You know, he was super, he was super smart. He was just. His scheme, though, with the, with the cast, you walk up to the girls and hit him upside the head with the crowbar when they turn around. Hey, can you help me in my books? Like, I can't be laughing at this. It's crazy.

Like, how we got away with it for so long. And then. And he evolved. Like, it didn't start that way. Yeah. He first was kind of a spree thing. and it was impulsive. And then he,

he, he, he went from a, a disorganized killer to an organized where he had a, okay, I need a plan.

Yeah. This is going wrong. Yep. Yeah. I need a plan. Another guy that was disorganized fucking chaos, but he was became huge

was the night stalker. He'd break into their house. He never got organized. Yeah. He'd break in their house and, like, killed him with whatever he can find. Yeah,

he didn't even have, sometimes he, different weapons, different, didn't have anything to tie him up. Oh, you know, the other one was,

um, oh, He'd break in with nothing and just use whatever is in the house. It's like, I think it was a game to him or something. And they caught him off his new balances. Yeah, he's an idiot. My favorite is Zodiac Killer. Well, but they never really, they think they know who it is, but they never really. Yeah, the two main ones, it's Arthur, it's either Arthur Lee Allen because famously, and so, okay, for the, I know you're probably familiar, but for your audience that doesn't know, Zodiac Killer operated in late 1960s, early 70s.

one of the victims, he shot a couple that was, you know, was a married woman, actually, and she was there with this guy on July 4th. Back I think in like 68 or 69, he shot them both. The dude survived. And then fast forward, like 30 years later, like in the early 90s, police officer meets them up in Canada, shows them a six-pack photo array,

and he identifies Arthur Lee Allen as the shooter. And then there's a bunch of other things. Like, he knew the woman that was killed. he worked at he used to go to her eye hop all the time there's a great movie on this called the zodiac with jane all is he the one that ended up having the zodiac watch yes yeah the zodiac watch so much circumstantial evidence so much huge amounts of circumstantial evidence um you know but you know there were some other things too that kind of like made people question about it like the other thing too that was interesting and there's his um a Netflix documentary on it I didn't know this he got a ticket

right on a day that this couple was violently stabbed by Lake Barry Esa. And when they stopped him with the ticket, he had bloody knives in the back. And the knives, he said, oh, had killed some chickens. Right. But, you know, obviously we knew that he had stabbed some people before, but they had known about it because it was a rural area. The guy survived.

Dude walked, and he said, yeah, what did you see? Dude walked up with like a fucking executioner's outfit and tied them up saying, yeah, I just want your car and your money. And then he ended up, like, stabbing them or whatever. And then he wrote the intimidating letters or whatever. you know, the two main suspects, Arthur Lee Allen and Gary Francis Post is the one that the cold case files that they're investigating. They think it was him because they were able to link him to the Riverside killing of a woman, Bates. I think her name is ridiculous.

I can remember this stuff. Bates, because he had violently stabbed her, I think he choked her, stabbed her in Riverside. And there was like glasses left there or shoes, something that was left there that was indicative of a painter or a watch with paint on. it. Gary Francis Post was a painter and the veterans hospital that he used to go to was in that area. So they also think it's him. And he was also in other areas where a lot of these crimes happened. But same thing with Arthur Lee Allen. He was in a lot of these places as well. And he had a friend up in San Francisco because when he killed a cab driver, he had Paul Stein, I think his name was, October 10, 1969, I think. They shot him. He killed him. And then someone famous,

That's where the picture, the famous mugshot, comes from, was from the San Francisco shooting. But even though that guy doesn't look like Arthur Le Allen, Arthur Leighlin apparently had a friend that lived up there in that part of San Francisco. The Netflix documentary on it is pretty interesting. Because it documents how, like, the kids that were with him because he was a stepfather,

like Arthur Le Allen kind of acting like a stepfather. Oh, yeah, yeah. The kids, like, grew up and figured out that they had been to all the crime scenes. Right. And he had molested them. He would drug them. him last night he was a weirdo yeah um i was just say when you were we were talking about but that case

always fascinated me the zodiac killer just like how um then to this day i think behind jack the ripper the zodiac killer is the most famous case uh serial killer case in america i think and then you put ted bunny in third but i was just like with john wayne gasey it uh the killer clown that crazy bastard yeah it what how they caught him is wild what what what kills me is the way he would get these kids, he would overpower them, was he'd have them handcuffed themselves. I mean, you know what I'm saying? He just tricked them. Because he went after teenage boys. Right. He would trick them. He'd get them stone or drunk. Well, you know, whatever. You lure them back. And then he'd say, yeah, I've got these hands. They go, he'd pull out the handcuffs. And he'd say, yeah,

yeah, you can look. And he'd handcuff himself and say, you look, you can. And he would turn around. He had the key. He'd unlock them and be like, yeah, you can get out of them. Here's here. Put them out. I'll show you. Kid would handcuff himself. And now you're just fucked. Yeah. You're wearing a pair of handcuffs. And they're like, well, how do I get out of him? No, no, now I'm going to strangle you to death. Yeah.

It was just like, whoa. And with him, the thing with him, he had like sick bastard. And he's married all the, by 23 bodies, 23 bodies underneath his own house. Under his body, under his house. And like, because he had a, he had a, he had a, it was a construction company or roofing, something that he did. Construction. Yeah.

He would get these like young fit guys, right? Young teenage boys. And he would do this. And he always, like, would bring them in season. or whatever, and he would like, they'd go missing. And then the way they caught him was crazy. So the police knew it was him, right? And they're like, for the audience.

They knew it was him. So they're like doing all the surveillance on him. John Wayne Gacy being so arrogant is like, you know what? You guys want to come in and, you know, it's cold out here because it was in Chicago. You guys want to have dinner? So they're like, yeah, sure. So like he invites the cops in. They're investigating him.

They're having dinner. One of the detectives goes to use the bathroom. So it was cold as hell. Gacy turns on the heat. And when he turns on the heat, the detective can smell. The smell. smell dead bodies. And he's like, and he, and he uses that to draft up a search warrant.

Right. They go to the judge, get a search warrant, fucking genius. And because he's like, yo, this smell from my training and my experience, I noticed dead bodies, et cetera. We have 23 minutes. We have all these missing people. We suspected to him. He has all this probable cause because they had been investigating him.

They get the search warrant. They go, they dig, and they find like 20 to 30 bodies under his house. Yeah. He killed like 31 or 32 people, but he actually buried 23 under the house until he ran out of room. Yep. Then they started throwing him in rivers and yeah. Yeah.

He was wild, you know. Gacy always maintained that there was no smell, by the way. You know, he's always like, there was no smell. That's not true. Really? So the guy made it up and they happened to find the bodies? Yeah. Like, come on.

Yeah, no. You're not bearing that many bodies underneath your own and only a foot or two under and there's not going to be some kind of gas. Because the police had no clue. The police had no clue he buried them there. So, like, that's the other reason too. Because like, they knew he was killing him, but they didn't know that he was that stupid to bury them at the house.

Yeah. So, like, when he turned a heat on, I think that messed them up. And then who else? Interesting. I'm trying to think what other cases. Zodiac is my favorite. But, yeah, obviously, Ted Bundy is crazy. I would exclude Zodiac because they never caught him.

They never caught him. They don't really know. That's what bothers me about the Zodiac. Yeah. But there's a good case for Arthur Lee Allen. There really is. So much circumstantial evidence on him. The wing walker boots, the size.

He was in the military. He served in the Navy, you know, all these different things. Oh, BTK. BTK was crazy too. Yeah. They caught him just like for busted nuts at the wrong place. That's how they caught BTK. They caught him that way and they caught the Jack the Ripper.

It was semen on the on the shawl. Well, what tracked him to BTK was he sent him the floppy desk. Yes, like an idiot. Yeah. Because he first he did it like intimidating, like sending the cereal box with the tied up doll in it. Yeah. Right. Thinking I'm going to make a comeback.

But what ended up messing him up was, yeah, the floppy. this is how they identified him, but really, what really got him is, I think his first murder was like in 74, 75, in Wichita, he killed this Hispanic family. Right. That was, yeah, yeah, the cruises or something or the, yeah, yeah. Yes. And he, and he murdered this little girl, right? And he, like, you know, obviously, you relieve himself, whatever. But he left, he left seaman at the crime scene. In the 70s, they didn't have the ability to DNA test. I think all they could do is see if it was the blood type, I think, was all they had the capability of. But fast forward to the 2000s, when he tries to make his return. They had that semen. So when they figured out it was Dennis Raider, they're like,

okay, well, we have a, we know his daughter is at University of Kansas. So she had like, went to go see a doctor, like an STI check or something like that. So they go and get her DNA compared to the semen sample from like 74. It's a match and they fucking arrested him. I didn't know that. That's how they got him. And then they also got the gold to stay killer that way, the original one, the original night stalker, him too, because you would leave semen at the scenes because he was like breaking in. He'd have this famous thing. where he'd like make the dudes stand on all fours

with like China like China glasses on their back and if they moved you would hear it crashed and he'd say I'm gonna kill the girl right here while he's raping your wife in the next room he has you do that yeah he makes them sit on all fours and that's how we knew

yeah like that and then and then so they they didn't catch him for like years right and funny enough one of the detectives I guess they had a semen sample from him in the 60s or 70s. One of the detectives that gets the case,

one of the new detectives, puts the DNA into like one of these 23 and me. And they find a distant relative that had put their DNA in there. So like, okay, this guy's not old enough to be the suspected person. Right. But who does he have that's in his family line

that's around this age? And they find, I forget his name, it's like an Italian name, but they found someone around that age. They went to his house. They swab like his, his, his car door or whatever and the DNA match. They fucking arrested him in like 2021 or something like that.

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