Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Nobody Tells You This About Being In Prison

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Starting point is 00:02:07 And like, you could have really, I mean, you could have busted him out. I was concerned. You don't realize it when you see the video, but that could have gone bad for me. The West Watson and all these guys, they did all this shit, right? But they kept them in these mediums and stuff like that. Let me explain something to you. They all did it. They all told them their friends.

Starting point is 00:02:24 You know what I mean? It's all facts, you know. There's no honor amongst me. Yeah, I was, I was born in Baltimore since. and I was raised in Baltimore City. My father was in prison. So I didn't, my mother, you know, she was there, but really my grandparents raised me because my grandparents, they were good people, but they didn't have a lot of money or anything like that. Because, you know, basically my family was just like, there's a lot of drug addicts, criminals, prostitutes, things like that.

Starting point is 00:02:55 So I was growing up in that type of environment. and the first time, like, I met my father. I was nine years old, and he escaped from prison. So when he escaped from prison, my mother took me to meet him or whatever. And he was like, from that point right there, he started grooming me. You know, like, he would tell me, like, first off, he was smoking weed with me. You know what I mean? He's the first person who smoked weed with me when I'm nine years old.

Starting point is 00:03:21 So he's sitting here. He basically groomed me, like, how he was like, yeah, I don't want no soft son, all that kind of stuff. Now, any kid, nowadays I look at him as a scumbag, but any kid always looks at their father's like, you know, a superhero or whatever. You know, so I thought the guy was cool. So he's basically, he would groom me like,

Starting point is 00:03:42 and tell me like certain shit, you know, like, yeah, you got to, you know, basically how to commit crimes. You know, he taught me how to do hot shots and I'm not talking about a car. Right. You know, what a hot shot is when people put stuff in people's drugs to get rid of him and stuff like that. Now, I've never

Starting point is 00:03:58 done that, but like, that's the type of, um, person he was. So I would, I think good at school and everything like that. Like, I was like the, I was like the bad kid in the nerd class. So I always hung with the, you know, with the kids who got in trouble, things like that. So eventually, I started out really commit the crimes with, I would like rob baseball card shows and stuff like that. Go to a baseball card show. Take your cards in and swipe the people's cards at the table and all. But I had to do stuff like that because I didn't have no debt.

Starting point is 00:04:34 My family didn't have money. I didn't have Jordans and stuff like that. So I had to get my own stuff. Right. Because nobody wants to go to school. When you're going to a city school, especially back in them days, like they have this bullying stuff now and all, but like you can't go in there dress all. You know what I mean? Right. Like you're not going to make it.

Starting point is 00:04:50 So I started doing stuff like that. And then, you know, just getting in with, you know, just I liked it. You know, what, where I'm from, it wasn't cool to, like, get good grades. It wasn't none of that. You know, it was cool to get locked up. It was cool to have the police after you, you know, sell drugs.

Starting point is 00:05:08 So when I got into selling drugs, honestly, the first time, we were in the woods and we were kids. Like, we're teenagers. And we're looking for, like, snakes and shit like that. Dude, rolled over and found a stash. It was probably, like, to my knowledge today, it's probably like a half kid and cocaine. You know, it was a bunch of vows and stuff. It's already bagged up and everything. So I'm like, shit, I know drug addicts from my family, you know what I mean, all through the

Starting point is 00:05:34 neighborhood. So I start going to the bars and I start selling Coke. By the time I realized how to sell it, I mean, back then cocaine was so expensive. I'm probably selling eight balls for like 50 bucks. You know what I mean? So people finally this lady told me like, no, you got to get a scale and everything like that. And so I learned that. So eventually it starts getting bigger.

Starting point is 00:05:57 you're getting to a higher level. And we have a little crew, guys like me, you know, everybody's raised by our grandparents. So we're on the streets all night, do whatever. There's a place called Baltimore Block. It's just full of strip clubs. Okay, now it's probably a quarter of the size that it used to be. Back then, it was wide open. A lot of the girls that we knew, they were strippers.

Starting point is 00:06:23 And honestly, they were underage. You know, they were our age. I was 1016. I was going to say, how old are you? Yeah, I was going to say at this point, how old are you? Yeah, 15, 60. Okay. Right.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Yeah, so I'm about 15 years old. So what I would do was we would make up these things. We call them G-Packs. And people call it crack, whatever, but we called it Reddy Rock. You know, it's just cooked up coat. So, like, my whole, my grandmother street about like 3 o'clock in the afternoon because all the strippers would go to work at, like, 4 o'clock. So the whole street will be lined up with yellow cab.

Starting point is 00:06:56 because there wasn't Uber and nothing back then. Right. And it was strippers. So I'm coming out. I'll come out 3 o'clock and I'm giving them all their G-packs so they can go to work and they can sell it. And then, you know, so that's where we started getting a lot of money. Now, there was an indictment that came down.

Starting point is 00:07:12 They indicted the whole Baltimore Street. It was a federal indictment. We were on the top of the federal indictment. So we run down to our lawyers when we hear about it. Well, the feds can't indict you if you're under 18. unless it's got like murders involved or something. So they took us off for that. But then anyway, the whole indictment, you don't hear about it nowadays,

Starting point is 00:07:33 they just put the whole thing under the, you know, hit it because there was actual cops that were actually having sex with the girls, smoking crack, a couple states' attorneys, stuff like that. So, you know, they had to put that on a hush. And it was easy to hush things back then. There was no social media. Right. So I wound up.

Starting point is 00:07:54 There was some shit. I went to, like, jail or something like for stupid shit, you know, and I wind up beating the case. And I get out and I'm setting up this drug deal. This girl pages me. This is back in the day of pagers. And she's like, hey, you know, these guys, so much trying to kill you. I'm like, yeah, tell them to get in line. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:08:16 But she's like, well, how will I know that you're doing this this week? So I'm like, shit, she knows what she's talking about. Well, whatever deal they were going to do, they were going to. do the deal first time, and then the second time, they were going to rob me and kill me. So I'm like, okay, I'll get these. So I turned around. I called up a couple of my homeboys. We wound up robbing them.

Starting point is 00:08:37 But a whole bunch of shit just happened and people, you know, a car crashed when they were, I'm sitting there in a car, they're supposed to come rob me and shit. They crash into the car, all this shit. Anyway, I get away with the cash. So when I get away with the cash, the police obviously get involved because there's a guy handcuffed in the bushes and somebody's bushes. you know what I mean? So next thing you know, I had to run. I went on the run to Florida. I was 19 at the time. So I went on to run to Florida for a couple years. So I was down in Bocor, Ritone, Florida and everything like that. So when I come back, I come back to Maryland, I wind up turning myself in. I beat the case. And now after that situation, I go ahead and I grab some Coke or whatever. And I start jamming. I put a little crew together. I got all the bars in my area. They're locked down.

Starting point is 00:09:29 You know what I mean? I got probably like $60,000 a weekend. You know, we're pulling in at these bars. Well, eventually a lot of shit starts happening because people come from different areas, try to rob us, stuff like that. You know, I get into a few things, you know, go to war with a couple people, whatever. So what happens is we're in front of this bar. It's called The Garden Inn.

Starting point is 00:09:53 It's like 3 o'clock in the morning. And I didn't even have no coke or nothing at this, you know, this night. But it's me and my buddies, we're all hanging out. So all of a sudden, this white neon pulls up. Now, when the white neon pulls up, this guy gets out, big black guy, you know, he comes walking down. He's like, what's up, B, what's up? And it's like in New York. He's trying to sound like he's from New York or he may have been from New York.

Starting point is 00:10:15 But see, I've been to New York at this point. So I'm like, man, this guy is some strange dude. He's like, who's white boy E? White boy E. I'm like, why do you want to know that? he's like, no, I'm just trying to get like a half or whatever. So I'm thinking, I'm like, so you're from New York where I get my coat from. So you're coming all the way down here to get it. Something's not right.

Starting point is 00:10:35 So as he comes walking up, I give a nod to my buddy, you know, to fucking knock the guy out, whatever. And we're just going to whip his ass. Well, my buddy misses. So the guy runs towards me. I hit him. So we all jump on this guy. We start this guy up. And I mean, I'm a big dude.

Starting point is 00:10:51 I'm like 6-2, probably 250. Now, my friends, they were bigger than me. They were like the type that wore like Timberlins in the summertime, you know, the camouflage, you know. They were like real thugs. So we're kicking this, doing everything. Next thing you know, a bus, because we're right in the main street, an MTA bus comes around, has to swerve around. And I see the guy on the thing. So I'm like, all right, come on, let's get out of here.

Starting point is 00:11:14 So now when we get out of there, we go to this place. I used to call it the Batcave. It was this house that we, you know, where we run to if there's problems, figure out. out of plant. So we get to the Bat Cave and I, um, page my younger brother. He's passed away now. So I page my younger brother and I tell him to give me a call. So he calls me. I said, look, and now this is like 4 o'clock in the morning. I said, look, walk up to Crackhead Timmie's house because that's what's the house that we were all hanging out. I said, go up to Crackhead Tindy's house, tell me what's going on. So about 20 minutes later, he pages me. He's like, man, Eric, some shit really

Starting point is 00:11:51 happened up there. I'm like, what are you talking about? about he's like somebody killed a police officer i'm like whoa what the right so now i probably only got like 100 grand liquid cash and it's like four of us so i'm like but i got to take my friends with me so i'm like are you sure he's like is it the black guy that you guys were beaten his ass is that the cop yes well yes i'm about to get into that it wasn't okay oh okay i was going to say fuck that went bad right i'd be under the jail so look the actual police could got in trouble for this. And this, I'll tell that part. So I was like, do you know what's going on? He's like, well, I don't know totally. I said, tell Crackhead Timmy to page me. It's about 10 minutes

Starting point is 00:12:34 later. Crackett Timmy page me. I'm like, what's up, man? What are they talking about? A cop got killed or something again? He's like, man, they just took all the girls and everything down the police station. They're asking questions about you. And, you know, actually nobody told. But anyway, he wasn't a cop. He was not a cop. And he didn't die. What it was, was he was, the cops dropped him off to get him to make a control by from me because they wanted to, you know, set me up or whatever. And when the paramedics and all got there, he's laying in the middle street, the guy couldn't, you know, he couldn't talk. So the paramedic lady was like, well, that's the reason. His tongue was out of his mouth. I guess when we were kicking him or whatever, he bit his tongue off. So now, it's horrible, bro. I'm like,

Starting point is 00:13:20 we really ain't got going to run or not. So I go set up. up shopping in a hotel, Ramada Inn, that's in the county. So we do that for a couple months, let things cool down. I get back around the neighborhood. Now, this is December, I get raided. Narcotic Squad raids my apartment. So when they raid my apartment, you're at the Ramada end or your apartment? No, no. This is when I came back. Okay. I came back. So they raid my apartment. They don't find nothing or whatever, but they locked me up, handcuffed me and everything. It was like, had, I had like 20-something in there. They said I had 6,000.

Starting point is 00:13:55 Go figure. You know. Well, anyway, the one cop, the main narcotics cop, he walks me out into, like, the hallways of the apartment by myself. And he's like, if you ever seen New York undercover back in the day.

Starting point is 00:14:09 Listen, everything you're saying that, the, the neon, like nobody knows what a neon. Like, I remember the neon, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:17 you're talking about a pager, like, you know, every time I say, every time I say, every time I say, say something to my wife like I mentioned yeah yeah no I remember this guy paged me and she she she giggles you know they don't know the struggle I know so so he he walks me in the hallway now like New York

Starting point is 00:14:38 undercover remember the black cop JC or whatever yeah on the big dude he looks just like him right so he gets me in the hallway and he's like he's like he points outside and he's like like you can see through the glass. You know how like apartment buildings are set up. There's a white neon out there. He's like, you see that white neon? And I looked. And I'm like, he's like, that's mine. And he seemed to look on my face. He said, don't worry about it. He's like, I can't do nothing about that because we'll get in trouble. Basically, because they left him on his own. So I'm like, so I'm like, okay, so what's the point of this? I'm just like standing there. And he's like, but let me tell you something. He's like, if I ever catch you alone, I'm going to blow your brains out.

Starting point is 00:15:20 So I was like, and look, I was cocky. I said, well, let me tell you something. I said, if I were I catch you alone, I'm going to blow your brains out. So that started the, Jesus, it was like a war. So I get out, I get out at that point. I get out on bail for that. So everywhere I went, Matt, it was just terrible. Like, I would get pulled over.

Starting point is 00:15:41 I had like an agro legend back then. And they would cut my seats. They would do everything. But they never caught me with nothing. So now me and my buddy, he's so stupid. I was down Ocean City. I shouldn't call him, buddy. But I was down to Ocean City, and I just came back from Ocean City.

Starting point is 00:16:01 Now, we had two apartments in this place called Lock Raven Village that's in the county where all our drugs and stuff were supposed to be at. Now, see, he had him at his girlfriend's apartment or whatever. So they had seen me go there, and they raided it. So me and him were driving. Next to you know, we're surrounded. Now, this is a black dude, but he was. He was like, he wasn't a street dude at all, man.

Starting point is 00:16:24 So he's like this. The guy jumps out of the car, the cop jumps out of the car, he's got the gun. He's like, what's going on? What's going on? I said, that's the cops. What do you think's going on? So they yank us out of the car and stuff like that. So I got no drugs on me.

Starting point is 00:16:39 Once again, so I'm laughing at him, you know? And he's like, yeah, you're laughing? He's like, what about? And he said the address, right? The dude's girlfriend. So I'm just looking. And then I look at my buddy. He's like, it's true.

Starting point is 00:16:51 And he's like halfway. Fates. So now, we get to jail, all right? Central Bulk in that. It ain't even like Baltimore City jail or nothing. So they give me no bail. They give him like a $50,000 bail, you know, something like. But anyway, we're sitting there in jail and he's, he's scared to death. He's like, look, they're looking at our tennis shoes. They're looking at the, I said, man, ain't nobody taking nothing to nobody, man. What does it wrong with this guy, right? So he gets out on bail. I have no bail. Well, the girl I was within the time she was pregnant with my with my daughter she was probably about um like six months pregnant something like that so i had my grandfather i had my i had her and i had like two lawyers

Starting point is 00:17:34 and i had a bail review in a few days so first off in a bail review you're not they're not supposed to be there the whole narcotic squad shows up and they're sitting there like you know tell them the prosecutor like say this say that whatever so the judge wound up giving me a million dollar cash bail. So I was out that night. So when I get out that night, I'm catching a cab to the girl's house because they confiscated. Can I ask you a question? You said a quarter of a million dollar cash bail. What does that mean? Well, listen, that that's just, that's just fancy terms. You know what I mean? It means I can't post property or anything like that. You can still go through a bondsman. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Put up cash. So I wound up putting up probably like 15,000 or

Starting point is 00:18:20 whatever just to get out. Yeah, see, a lot of times people say stuff like that and people put them out. I didn't put up a quarter million. Right. Okay. So I'm, I'm catching the cab, and I tell the cab to stop to get some cigarettes for 7-Eleven. When I do, I walk in there. This is the narcotic cut. He's in there. So I see this. I'm like, Jesus Christ, you know. So from that point, it turned into a tailspin of just like, it was held. So I get a hold of my buddy and I told him. I said, dude, listen, I said, you're not dope for this. It's my fault because the heat was on me, but you shouldn't have the drugs there. But look, I said, what we'll do is we'll play this out as long as possible. And at the end of the day, I won't let you go to prison. I was

Starting point is 00:19:03 like, they want me. So I'll cut a deal where I just go to prison. So instead of taking my word for that or whatever, it winds up. I found that later. He was telling him for some other shit. So everything plays out. And I wound up, my lawyer called me a idiot because I could have beat the case. But what happened was I go to court for just, you know, regular, you know, the district court or whatever for like one of my like, you know, the preliminary hearings or whatever. Right. So this is how they faked it out. And this is so dumb.

Starting point is 00:19:38 I wind up as I'm in court, the narcotics people were there and the prosecutor was down with this. The prosecutor said, oh, also, we have an indictment for the girl who I had pregnant. You see what I'm saying? Stop. She had nothing. I freak out. Now, we're in the middle of courtroom. I called the guy a bitch.

Starting point is 00:19:59 He said something to me. So we're almost fighting the middle of courtroom. Judges like hitting his gavel like, stop, stop, all this type of shit, right? So anyway, I get out there. But here's what's up. It was never an indictment. That was just bullshit to put pressure on me. She was cooperating with the guy.

Starting point is 00:20:15 Okay. Well, she was sleeping one of them and everything eventually. So I didn't know this, right? So when I wind up, I wind up, we go to court and I told my lawyer, I said, well, I said, I just want, I know they want me. I just want a deal. Whereas though nobody else goes to prison, you know, just me. And he said, you're an idiot, you know, because I could beat it. But that's what I did. So I cut everybody loose, right? So back then, this was in, that was around like 1999. Back then down, down here, there wasn't all this, you know, killing witnesses and all that kind of stuff. Well, there was, but then they finally passed the law that they, you know, now they can seal it. Well, it used to be a law that if they investigated you for something and they closed the investigation, they had to send you. And, you know, you came up, you know, clear. They would send you what they just did. Like, they would be like, we were investigating you or whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:14 So I'm in prison. I'm sitting on my bunk. I get this big pack of illegal mail. It's not for my lawyer. I'm like, what the case is this? I start reading it. He's a scumbag. Right?

Starting point is 00:21:24 That I told him, look, I'm not going to let you go to prison. I did it. You know, he was telling on me for some shit. It had nothing to do with me and him, right? But I had got robbed. These dudes robbed me and pistol with me. So, and this is crazy how I wound up not getting in trouble for this. because, you know, he's supposed to be my friend.

Starting point is 00:21:45 He thinks, and I didn't know either, he thinks the guy, the guy's dead because I went back and I shot the guy, right? So they do their whole investigation. He's telling on that. They find the guy that I had shot. The guy's in a wheelchair. You know what this guy did? They showed him my picture and everything.

Starting point is 00:22:04 This guy said, I've never seen that guy in my life. And look, he knew my first and last name. I knew his first and last name. You know what I mean? So that's why that ended. So I'm like, holy shit, man. I'm like, everybody's just cutting my throat left and right. All these people I've tried to, you know.

Starting point is 00:22:20 Next thing, though, he's sleeping with the same chick, with my baby's mother. I hate to say that in turn, but that's what it is. My baby's mother or whatever. Right. So he's sleeping with her. Who? The prosecutor or the guy that got shot? The guy, no, not the guy got shot.

Starting point is 00:22:37 The guy that my co-defendant that I cut loose. Oh, okay. Look, I cut loose him. My baby's mother, his girlfriend, and one of my buddies, he's passed away now. So I'm glad I did it because he was a good dude. I know how you said a good dude thing. But, you know, in our world, he's a good guy. Right.

Starting point is 00:22:54 You know what I like that. So anyway, I'm totally like, like, it's just like crazy. It's like some type of movie shit. So now this guy's still out there, right? So I already know I'm in prison. I'm about to come home. And I'm sitting here. He's still out there.

Starting point is 00:23:10 He's running around, whatever. doing whatever. So I'm like, I'm waiting to come home. Well, before I even come home, I'm probably six months to the door. Somebody wound up killing him. He got shot like 30 some times or something, right? So the first thing they think, obviously, you know what I mean? That I had something to do it, but I'm at prison. You know what I mean? They came up to the jail. I get called down to the lieutenant's office and I used to sell cigarettes. I would get cards. I would smoke my newports. I get cartons and Newports and I will get these big bags of tobacco for like 13 bucks and like four fingers across the bag I'd sell for 20 bucks you know just hustling and stuff like that so I'm figuring

Starting point is 00:23:51 I'm getting called to lieutenant's office for that but the fat lieutenant he was a fat lieutenant and he used to come in you could just bribe him with honeybuns you know what I mean just get so I'm figuring he's just coming down there telling me you know watch myself whatever I go in there it's two cops it's the one one cop that hates me or whatever say he's screaming I got you now, you son of a bitch, all this stuff. I'm like, what this is this dude talking about? And then there was a white cop. So, and there was never no white cops on their narcotic squad.

Starting point is 00:24:22 It was all black. So I'm like, what's going on? So I'm sitting down. Now the white cop comes up and he's giving me like a massage. You know what I mean? He's like, it's okay, Eric, it's okay. I'm like, what's that? I'm like, what's sitting?

Starting point is 00:24:32 The other one's yelling at me, you know, good cop, bad cop. So then they show me a picture. First thing they show me is the picture of the guy dead. And I'm like, boom, you know what I mean? It didn't look too good, right? So then he showed a picture of him with my baby's mother, because he was under investigation too. So he wasn't out of the streets, obviously. That's how he probably wound up getting killed.

Starting point is 00:24:55 So anyway, so I'm sitting there and I act like, I play into it a little bit. I'm like, oh, my God. So the white cop, he thinks he's got me. He's like, it's okay here. It's okay. It's okay. Unburden yourself. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:25:08 He's like, what do you think? I was like, you know what I think? I said, I think he got wet up. You know what I mean? I was like, and I think that you got to get them out of here because I didn't request for you to come here, get them out of here. So they wind up leaving or whatever. So I wind up getting out.

Starting point is 00:25:24 Now, when I get out. How much time did you do on that? That was six years. I did four years on that. Jesus. Okay, you did four years. Yeah, my first time, you know. So, and that's the state.

Starting point is 00:25:39 So I wind up getting out. Now, at that point, I still had probably around 200, you know, somewhere around 200 grand that was in my grandfather's dresser drawer the whole time. So I get out, I got money. I started carpet cleaning business, everything like that. Now, when I come around, the first day I got out, I go up to this car dealership. See, they used to sell us cars when we were actually not even old enough to drive. But how we would do that was, you know, but remember back in the day,

Starting point is 00:26:10 would have like the paper tags, you know, the temporary tags, whatever. So what they would do was since we weren't old enough to drive, have insurance and all that kind of stuff, every month we would go up, give them like $500 for another tag for another month. You know what I mean? So we would be able to drive the cars around. So I remember this deal and shit, but now it's new owners. So my first day out, I walk up there with like 20 grand cash.

Starting point is 00:26:34 I got to get a car. So I walk up there. So they called the old owner, like, who is this guy? The old owner's like, yeah, go. I buy it deal with them. I buy this um acura rl like 3.5 so this is 2003 when I got out so it was like a 2001 or something like that and it was the owner's daughter so it was like it was nice. So that first night I go to this bar it's called Tullies. I get shit face drunk so my baby's mother shows up there obviously you know what I mean so I was talking to some other girl or whatever

Starting point is 00:27:06 she winds up punching me in the mouth so I leave but then I take my keys and I leave and I leave and I'm so trashed that and now it's like January. So you know how you get that. Well, you're from Florida, so you don't got to, you might not know about this. But you get that real light snow where it's like slippery, you know, so it was like that out. So I'm going down Bel Air Road probably like close to 100 miles an hour and I'm trashed. I look down for my cell phone. That's back when that big next 12 cell phones and shit.

Starting point is 00:27:33 Right. So I look down for my cell phone. When I look up, I don't hit a pole. I don't hit a bunch of shit. Car spins. I wind up almost going. and into the gas station, but I've just avoided the gas station. So cars basically almost split in half.

Starting point is 00:27:47 And I'm in the motherfucker. The fire department stations right across street, they're coming over with, like, hitting on a car with axes and all this shit. So I'm like, oh, I'm like, whoa, whoa, back up, back up. And I was, you know, I was into powerlifting shit back then. So I'm just like, boom, boom. So I knocked the door open. I get out.

Starting point is 00:28:04 I see what's going on. Now, I walk to the, I'm at the gas station. So I go get me a pack of cigarettes. Now, all the police are there by this point. So I start smoking a cigarette, and I just, like, sit down on the curb and, like, pass out. I hear, like, my baby's mother and stuff, like, oh, oh, my God, they're in a car, man.

Starting point is 00:28:23 Oh, my God, he's dead. She runs around the side and sees me laying there. And I'll just look at her. I'm like, no, I'm not dead. This is your fog, you stupid bitch, you know? So they can't breathalyzer or nothing because you're in an accident. So now they take me to the hospital. I still had my actual license that I didn't get back.

Starting point is 00:28:43 You know, they're supposed to confiscate that. So I rolled out of the hospital. This is my first day out. I'm like, I don't understand prison or nothing. And I'm like, damn, I'm definitely violated parole. So eventually I didn't violate parole. So I get a check for, I paid $20,000 for that car. And I get a $26,000 check back.

Starting point is 00:29:02 Nice. Right. You know what I mean? So I was like, usually it's the other end. So I go ahead, I'll buy an escalate. So now remember, I'm not selling drugs at this point. But everybody knows I just crashed this car. Now I got to escalate.

Starting point is 00:29:18 And I would come around and I had a real bad alcohol problem. But I would always, I had on all the jewelry, smelled good, looked good, pockets full of money. So, you know, nobody felt sorry for me. It was just like, you know, I'm an asshole. Now my buddy, here's how the feds get on me. My buddy, he's selling drugs. Now, he's selling Coke or whatever. So they set him up like this.

Starting point is 00:29:42 If he wasn't doing nothing big, it was like quarter ounces, half ounces and stuff. So this kid got caught, and he wound up becoming like an informant. Try to set my buddy up for a controlled buy of something small. So he meets my buddy in a strip club. Now he comes to a strip club with the cop. But, you know, he's an undercover cop. This guy gets up to take a piss, not the cop. The informant gets up to take a piss.

Starting point is 00:30:07 My buddy slides his number to the cop, like trying to cut this guy out of the deal. He's like, look, you can get better shit if you come directly to me or whatever, right? So he stole a customer, but he stole the goddamn wrong customer. Right. So next thing you know, this cop, I guess there's, you know, for quarter ounces. Next thing you know, he's calling for quarter keys and stuff. And we had another friend. His name was Eric.

Starting point is 00:30:31 And he sold drugs or whatever. So there were surveillance in my buddy And they called I think they had called them for like 2000 E pills Not 2000 excuse me Like 200 E pills Like 8thakee of Coke or something

Starting point is 00:30:46 And he said yeah I'm waiting on air So they're doing surveillance Now they'll see me Because we would go out with chicks You know me go out to the clubs and stuff So they would see me pull up now I'm a drug dealer

Starting point is 00:31:00 Well known drug dealer I've been out of prison a month I'm pulling up in an Escalade jewelry on everything like that. So who's Eric? I'm Eric. Right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:31:09 Even though it wasn't. So, long story short on that one, I, um, they start watching me or whatever with him. And then I did get back into, you know, selling, selling Coke or whatever. So I go ahead. But even if I wouldn't have, I would have probably got invited anyway. So eventually they wind up, um, it was like August of O'O3. I'm living near Pennsylvania. Now, my younger brother, he's still living around the neighborhood

Starting point is 00:31:38 in, like, the family home, my grandparents home or whatever. Now, my grandparents, they're not there enough. I got my grandmother passed away. I think my grandfather was in the hospital or something. So I get a call from him. He's like, Eric, the police are raiding the house. It's right in the house. He's like, yeah, on K-Vine.

Starting point is 00:31:55 I'm like, so I'm pissed. I think it's these state police. I'm right around that area. I'm in Baltimore City. golden moment. Triumph on the podium, golden hand. But with Corona Serro, golden moments go beyond the Winter Olympics. They're enjoying sunsets, time outside, reconnecting with nature, and laughs shared with friends. For every golden moment at the Winter Olympic Games, enjoy your own with Corona Cerro, 0% alcohol and a source of vitamin D. Corona Cero, the official non-alcoholic beer of

Starting point is 00:32:29 Milano Cortina, 2026. I'm doing something. I was at a bar club or something. I said, I'm coming there. She's like, no, don't. I did, right? Dude, when I come there, they handcuffed me and everything like that.

Starting point is 00:32:43 I'm custom, man. I know nothing's at this house. I don't even live in this house, right? So they don't find nothing. So they have to handcuff me and everything. But I did notice this. They jumped in my escalate and they took my escalate. So when they're leaving, now another,

Starting point is 00:32:59 thing I noticed. There was, like, a black narcotics cop, but he had a whole mask or whatever, so you couldn't see his face. But he was the only black guy there. This was white guys. I'm like, you know what I mean? They, anybody changed, you know what I mean? So how cost to them out as they go out the door? This dude turns around. He looked like, if you ever see law and order, he looked like the guy in law and order. He pulls out the U.S. Marshal thing or whatever. You know, the big he said, yeah, he's like, we're coming back, Eric. You've never dealt with nothing like us. I'm like, if you, whatever.

Starting point is 00:33:31 I know nothing about the feds. Right. So. What about your car? Well, this is what happens. Next day, I go to my lawyer's office. All right. So I go in there and he handled a lot of shit for me, you know, like business stuff

Starting point is 00:33:46 and everything like that. And I go in there. I'm like, Gary, man, I just got ready last night. They didn't find nothing. You know, what, you know, they took my truck. You know, I still had another car. I said, I had a BMW. But he's like, I was like, can you get this back?

Starting point is 00:34:00 He's like, all right, give me a second. And he's like, I see him when he was looking. He's like, oh, shit. So he calls. Now, I'm sitting there with my brother, my brother's friend. He went with him. So I hear the conversation. And it's like, well, yeah, you know, I can talk to him, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 00:34:19 Okay, thank you, whatever. About 10 minute conversation. So he's like, hey, do you want, when he hangs up, He's like, do you want him to leave the room? I said, nah, he can be in the room. I said, why? What's up? He's like, all right, you can get your truck back.

Starting point is 00:34:31 I'm like, all right, cool. So he's like, but look, he's like, was there a bunch of houses ready last night? I was like, yeah, because you know how they come? They'll hit all the houses at the same time. He's like, yeah, like, 20 or 30 of them probably. He's like, yeah, he's like, they're not revealing it to me, but I can tell you, this is a wiretap. And it's federal. He's like, and you're not indicted.

Starting point is 00:34:50 I'm like, okay, well, get my truck back. He said, well, here's the deal. He's like, they want to talk to you. I'm like, so what do you mean? What are you getting at, man? He's like, you know, before you're indicted, they want to talk to you because it's only a criminal complaint right now. And you won't have to go to jail for nothing to deal with this shit. So I'm like, okay, so basically you want me to go in there and rat everybody out and all that shit.

Starting point is 00:35:13 Right. He's like, yeah, I said, I said, look, it's not happening. Then I was like, tell him, keep that truck. I'm not worried about it. So I'm going to leave. And he's like, Eric. He's in your lives. He's like, you're in a lot of trouble. I was like, Gary, you just said I'm not even indicted. He's like, Eric, get prepared because you will be. Matt, two weeks later, knock at my door.

Starting point is 00:35:38 Really nice. They didn't bust the door that had nothing. I look out the window. And it's like, what's up, Eric? You asked marshals. You've been indicted. Come on out. Don't try to run because we got you. You know what I mean? We got you surrounded, whatever. So I go down, I open the door. They actually let me focus on everything. And then they took me. So as they're driving me to the, you know, how they take you to the courthouse, like, you know, for initial appearance or whatever. When they first got you, book you. So all the way down there, they're like, anything you want to tell us or whatever. So I'm like, nah, I don't want to tell you shit.

Starting point is 00:36:16 Do you know what they did? They laughed at. They just laughed. They said, don't worry. Others will. Right. You know what I mean? They didn't bother me no more.

Starting point is 00:36:25 So I'm like, I'm figuring it's like the state. So I figure you get like bail reviews and I can, you know, pay a bail or something like that. No. No, it didn't work like that. They kept me detained. So I wound up getting, um, I'm pre-trial, you know, before everything. Let me ask a question. What were you indicted for?

Starting point is 00:36:48 Like, I, 50 kilos of cocaine or more. but you weren't this is because of the other guys Eric's name because they've been using well no that's how now that's how they got on me when I wasn't selling drugs but I did get back into selling drugs okay

Starting point is 00:37:03 so they did have a wiretap on you yeah yeah okay yeah and just to mention that like how people always think you can beat things with the feds they had a wiretap like say they had the warrant to wiretap my phone from like June 13th till

Starting point is 00:37:19 whatever when I got all the discovery on June 9th, they were already like 200 phone calls in. So they were illegally tapping it. What they call that harmless error? Harmless my ass, right? So I don't know how these people work. You know, I'm still young.

Starting point is 00:37:37 I've never been with the feds. So now as I'm pretrial, I don't, you know, they don't let me out or whatever. I'm figuring, you know, I can beat this. There's no drugs. You know what I mean? I'm not going to take a deal to let everybody go his time and all that kind of shit.

Starting point is 00:37:51 You know what I mean? Everybody, you know what I mean? So I'm actually believing like an idiot that I can beat it, you know? So what happens is as I was pretrial, they were holding us in the counties back then,

Starting point is 00:38:05 like surrounding counties, like on the eastern shore and stuff because we didn't have a federal facility. Right. So when I'm in this county, it was called Talbot County, and like the commissary was real expensive and stuff, there was this guy in there, this white guy. He didn't have no money,

Starting point is 00:38:19 nothing. So I was like this. I put together a plan. I get an envelope. Like I copied like the NLPA thing, national legal professional associates or whatever. So I had like somebody on the street make their envelope. And I was going to stuff it with tobacco,

Starting point is 00:38:38 dope, you know what I mean? Weed, stuff like that to make money in there. And so I tell the guy because he was broke. I said, look, I said, here's what I'm going to do. I said, I'm going to get this scent in your name. Is that okay? I was like, and I'm going to look at it. out for you, you're going to eat good and everything. He's like, yeah, yeah, do it. Look, thank God. Thank

Starting point is 00:38:55 God I didn't put drugs in there. So I just wanted to do a trial run. So I had stuff with tobacco. So I had somebody do it. Now they tell me, hey, that's ready to get there. You know, I just did it. So I come up to him. I said, look, that's on the way. He's like, okay, cool. Like two days later, I'm sitting there. I'm playing poker and I'm drinking. I like to drink alcohol or whatever. You know, I they make it in jail and all that stuff. So I'm sitting there. I'm drinking. And so you know, I got like four or five COs. They're surrounding me. So I'm like, all right, fuck. They're probably locking me up for, you know, gambling and drinking. So they handcuffed me or whatever. I'm like, what do you guys lock me up for? They don't tell me nothing.

Starting point is 00:39:36 So I'm going to, they take me to the shoe, which is lock up. So I'm sitting there. Obviously, I just lay down and go to sleep. But then I hear like an hour later, my co-defendant was my cell buddy. I hear him. him and he's up there. He's up there. They're put locking him up, I guess. So I yell through Ben, Bobby, Bobby, what's up, man? He yells down that. He's a little guy, and he is a good dude, man. Like, if you met this guy, he'd be like, he's the greatest guy in the world. He's a little dude, he's a little slick dude, talks with Liz. Yeah, what's up, man, all this stuff. Right. So he yells through Ben. You're crazy. I'm like, what's up, dude? He's like, you're going to get us life.

Starting point is 00:40:14 I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, they got the whole cell, the FBI's in the cell. I probably wasn't deaf guy They put crime scene tape and all this shit around the cell Right I'm like what the like locked it down or whatever Okay just my luck And so I still don't know what's going on But I was reading a newspaper article

Starting point is 00:40:35 Of this guy he snuck a gun into like one in jails in D.C. or something And he was going to try to get out by using a gun or whatever They caught him I'm reading that article, it's laying on my bunk It was in USA Today So here's how this all ties together So I still don't know what's going on So they transfer all of us back to like supermax.

Starting point is 00:40:55 So as they're transferers back to supermax, it's me and the guy who set me up. But I don't know at this point he set me out. I just think they might have called something in the mail and, you know, they figured out maybe over the phone or something. So he's acting like he don't know what's going on. So now we get there. They had like a few tiers where they held federal people. They didn't take me there. They took me to where they held the state guys.

Starting point is 00:41:16 You know, the guys doing like five years on lockup and stuff. So they like stuff me back there. They don't tell me nothing. Okay. So I'm like, just sitting around, I'm asking CEO's questions. Nobody knows nothing. Well, the liaison for us between the marshals and, you know, the inmates or whatever, Sergeant Ryan, she comes up. She's like, look, the marshals are coming up here tomorrow and, you know, to see you or whatever.

Starting point is 00:41:41 I'm like, what's going on with Sergeant Ryan? She's like, Foss, they're talking about some escape or something. I said, what? So she's like, I know, I know. So now this Marshall gets there. They pull me out. And he says, he was a straight shooter, though. And he's like, look, Eric, he's like, I'm just going to ask you one question.

Starting point is 00:42:02 He's like, if you ever tried to get anything into Tower County? So I said, look, I said, I'm not going to tell you from who, anything like that. But yes, I have tried to get tobacco in there. He's like, okay, I'm going to end this investigation now. And now I'm going to tell you what it's about. he said that guy that you had doing that in his name he's like he's been he's been that's what he does he sets people up you know to try to you know whatever sets people up to try to get out and all I was like what's what's up with him now he actually got released because they would lock him up

Starting point is 00:42:33 on like petty shit like violations I think he was in there for violation so that's how that's how that went so I'm telling the guy I'm like yeah so there was like one of these little he took like a little piece of metal I left it in a van like one of little hand I guess you can open up a handcuff with it or whatever. You know them guys in prison. They know all that. Yeah. I'm not like that.

Starting point is 00:42:52 You know what I mean? I don't know none of that shit. So I'm like, so what was the deal? This guy had told them that I was in a gang. I was a leader of an Aryan gang. I'm from Baltimore City, dude. I'm not in no, first, I'm not in no gangs, period. But an Aryan gang?

Starting point is 00:43:10 Like, I didn't even know that we had them. Right. So I'm like, well, that's not true. He's like, hang on. he's like the guy said that I was planning to escape and if he didn't help me I threatened to have his family killed and that um I was trying to get a gun in to the jail to wind up and killing you know and they killed the police and leave and I had that stupid-ass article I was reading you know what I mean so I'm like I'm like they're like I know it's not true the investigation is over he's like I just want to give you a few tips because

Starting point is 00:43:45 you're going to federal prison, you know, so you need to know what you're up against. So I was like, no, no, no, that's not true. I'm not going to federal prison. I'm going to beat this. You know what I mean? This guy looked at me. He's like, ah, Eric, like, I'm just going to tell you, man. He's like, you're going to federal prison.

Starting point is 00:43:59 So like, okay, well, thanks for the heads up or whatever. So that was the first experience of like, it's just like some movie shit. I'm like, man, this shit is just like made up. So I wind up getting, I wind up getting Gilmer or whatever. They wind up giving me 12 years. Because what they did was they charged me with 50 kilos of cocaine or more. And just like how, like, you got, you're a fraud guy. You know how they work the money like 10 million you're on this level.

Starting point is 00:44:27 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they do with drugs. The federal standards. They, they. Right. How many people are under you?

Starting point is 00:44:35 That sort of thing. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm like this. I'm looking at this shit. I'm like 50 kilos. No. I can't plead guilty to that.

Starting point is 00:44:44 Well, eventually. it came down to an evidentiary hearing. So we're going to have an evidentiary hearing. And I was a little bit, like, I haven't got an eighth grade education, but like I've tried to educate myself. Like when I was on a run down in Florida, my girlfriend used to go to Florida Land University. And so I would like go into the, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:02 I'd go into the classes also. And I was, you know, sit around because you know how the college shit is. It's just a big like basically auditorium classes, you know. I got a guy speaking and stuff. So I was looking at it and it was like by the preponderance to the other. evidence, preponderance the evidence. I'm like, man, prepondercy evidence. What about beyond a reasonable doubt? So I had it put in there that the evidentiary hearing, you have to find me guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And they did. They put that in there that they would try that.

Starting point is 00:45:30 So I wound up finding a Fourth Circuit law, which is a circuit I'm in, which actually says you're only responsible for what you did. So I use that in our, you know, they do the memorandum, so we file another memorandum back to that. And that's the law. that I used. So like two weeks before the evidentiary hearing or whatever, my lawyer called me and he was like, nah, they backed out. They conceded. So they conceded to like a kilo

Starting point is 00:45:55 and a half, which is only a five-year mandatory minimum. Now, when we go in for sentencing, we're not going to disrespect them and ask for five years. So we asked for like eight years. This is right when the Booker passed, the Booker Law passed, that made the guidelines advisory. The judge had leeway,

Starting point is 00:46:12 as long as he determines a fair sentence. So, we're asking for eight years prosecution's asking for like 16 years so I didn't lose or win the judge met in the middle I got 145 months which is 12 years one month so

Starting point is 00:46:26 that that was um so I'm younger at the time so I go ahead I get to this just an FCI they sent me to an FCI and it was Gilmer it's in West Virginia this place was wide open I mean this was wide open like it's just like it was like a party

Starting point is 00:46:42 you know what I mean it was like a party so I get in there, I get into a lot of the gambling. I had like, you know, I was the bookie, had the biggest ticket on the yard. I had a blackjack table, a couple poker tables. I had people running poker tables for me. And like I said, I stayed drunk all the damn time. So I'm there like four and a half, maybe five years. The SIS, which you know is like the investigator or whatever.

Starting point is 00:47:07 Right. They hated me and like the unit managers hated me. The CEOs really didn't hate me. They liked, you know what I mean? They were just like, you know, they really didn't for me, but they were such pricks. Like the unit manager, it kept me in a three-man cell for like four years.

Starting point is 00:47:22 Like even when cells would come open and stuff, they'd be like, nah, you're not getting in that. So I would tell people when they came to my cell, you know, like when I would get a new seller or whatever, they'd be like, look, man, if you're in here, like trying to straighten out your life and shit like that, that's probably not the cell for you. But if you like to gamble, drink, you know,

Starting point is 00:47:37 and, you know, just do whatever. Come on in, you know what I mean? So eventually what happened was the, SIS was on me, but they can never do nothing. So we were selling, we were selling dope. We were selling heroin. And I didn't do it like hand-to-hand or whatever, but I had, you know, there was a buddy who would get a lot in or whatever,

Starting point is 00:47:57 and he couldn't, he couldn't sell it because he would get robbed. You know what I mean? Right. So I was like, oh, shit, give it to me. I'm not going to rob your, so I will do it. So next thing you know, they get on, you know, somebody tells. Somebody's always going to tell. That's one thing I learned about the feds, man.

Starting point is 00:48:12 Like, look, it's 90%. Yeah. Like you got all these guys in there with their chest They've poked out. They promote it. So they're investigating us for that. So they catch my celly. They try to run down on them and catch them with drugs, but they don't. But they piss test them.

Starting point is 00:48:29 And we smoke weed. So he failed the piss test. So they give him like 40 days for a dirty yarn. So he's getting out and I'm throwing a party for him. I get all this wine and shit like that's some good shit. So I'm getting track. You know, I'm definitely trashed. So it's all of us hot.

Starting point is 00:48:48 And at this point, I wound up getting in a real good cell. I had one of big handicapped cells. So everybody's in there hanging out, drinking and stuff this night. Now, I was too loaded. And this wasn't the CO's fault. You know what I mean? So I'm on a tear, shit-faced. The CEO comes up to me.

Starting point is 00:49:03 It's like, Foss. We got like an hour left. Just locking yourself for the night. Right. I'm like, okay. I go. I probably stayed in there five. minutes, 10 minutes, and then I come on or back out or whatever. So now he calls the, um,

Starting point is 00:49:19 he calls the code or whatever. They come over to lock me up and I won't handcuff up on the tier, you know, so they're like, I was like, I'll handcuff at the lieutenant's office. Now, when I get to lieutenant's office, they go to breathalize me. When the guy goes to breathalize me or whatever, he's like, I know you weren't drinking alone or some shit like that. It was like a rookie guy or whatever. So I was like smack. I smacked the breathalizer out of his hand. And it was one of good ones, like the digital ones. Right. It wasn't the one. That thing busts. So, you know, we all

Starting point is 00:49:49 get to wrestle around and stuff. And there was this lady, man. Like, this, this nurse lady or whatever, but she was huge, right? So I'm doing okay with the cops. She hit me, like, with a nice tackle, boom, I'm laid back out, you know? So I wake up, I wake up

Starting point is 00:50:05 the next day in the shoe, obviously. Now, I was blackout, I was blackout drunk. So, Matt, you know, I don't know if you've ever drank like that or whatever, But, like, you can remember, like, bits and pieces. But you don't know, you really don't know what happened. Like, what I'm telling you is what's been told to me. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:50:22 And this was me, you know? So I'm sitting there and this SIS guy comes to door. He's like, yeah, you thought now, Foss. I was like, what's going on? He's like, you assaulted my officers. I'm like, son, bitch. Now, I don't know how bad this is or whatever. So I was like, well, where's the shot?

Starting point is 00:50:41 Where's the ticket? He's like, we can't give that to you because it's out. with the FBI. I said the FBI. He's like, what, you know, they send it to the state's attorney, the federal attorney to see if he wants to pick up the charges. Yeah, but you got to wait. But they almost never do. Right, right. They didn't. So they even send out fist bites now. You know what I mean? Shit like that. So you, they can't give you a ticket until they decline it. Or yeah, they got to decline it or else that's actually double jeopardy, which is weird. So three weeks go by, they declined it. I get.

Starting point is 00:51:13 the ticket or whatever. So now I got to go to the DHO to the hearing. Now we go in there and the D.HO guy was pretty fair. You know, he takes like all my shit for commons there for 18 months, phone for 18 months. They're sending me to the penitentiary, you know what I mean? So I'm not, you know what I mean? I'm not really worried about that. So he goes and he's like, he opens up a magazine and he showed me. He's like, look, this is how much his breathalyzer costs. It was like $399. It's like $400.00, right? So he's like, now you have to pay that. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:51:47 So he put that on there as my restitution or whatever. So I go back to myself or whatever. My counselor comes walking by later on that day. He's like, hey, what's up, boss? See DHA today, right? I'm like, yeah. He's like, what, they charge you for that breathalizer? I'm like, man, they charge me like, um, I was like, they charge me 400 bucks.

Starting point is 00:52:07 He's like, yeah. He's like, don't worry about that. It's not 400. Now it's 800. I'm like, what? Are you kidding me? It's $800. They switched it over.

Starting point is 00:52:18 And now what they did was they froze my account where I couldn't even buy a stamp. I couldn't buy a bar of soap, nothing until I pay that $800. But now I'm going to the penitentiary so I can use other people's phones and all. They're not worried about that kind of shit in the federal. They just don't want people getting stabbed. So when I get there, I'm doing all that. So now when I first show up there, they send me to Big Sand, which it has a name. of being violent and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:52:46 But at this point in time, my life, you know, I'm in my early 30s at that time. So at this point in my life, I've done it. I mean, I've been in jail when I was 15. You know, I've came up through juvenile, places like that. So obviously you're a little bit leery, you know what I mean? Anybody say they're not worried. It's like they're lying. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:53:04 Because you've heard the stories, you know? Most of it's bullshit. But like some of this is true. You'll see people get killed and stuff. But whatever. So I wind up getting that. So now when I get there, it's like the jail was locked down because the Muslims in the Crips got into some war in front of the chow hall or whatever. So I got a cell by myself.

Starting point is 00:53:25 Now, this is like these idiots and, you know, they have done these guys are in prison, right? So I got a cell by myself. So there's this kid. Now, you would hear at night. Now, you really would hear this year scraping on the floor and stuff because everybody carries a knife. So people are making knives. and when the doors do hit you come off lockup

Starting point is 00:53:45 somebody's going to get stabbed somebody showed up you know has a hit on them or whatever half the time the guys who have hits on them is because some scumbag

Starting point is 00:53:53 gang members or whatever just don't like them you know so this is an example of that okay so there's this kid Kenny he's a younger

Starting point is 00:54:01 he's a younger white guy probably like 26 he's from Detroit now he's got a bald head he can't grow hair or whatever but he's not a gang member none of that shit

Starting point is 00:54:11 he's like from the city So I tell him, I was like, hey, why don't you move it myself? So he's like, okay, cool. So I move him in. About four days go by, I come in from the yard. He's sitting in, he's sitting on the bunk and he's like this, like, look, looking all goofy at some fucking pantlet, right? So I'm like, man, what are you doing? He's like, I think you need to know about your people.

Starting point is 00:54:34 I'm like, excuse me? He's like, your people. I was like, what are you talking about? It was one of racist pantlets or whatever. I said, look, first I'll do. I said, I know about my people. My people are the people that I go make a phone call and they send me money. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:54:48 That's my people. I don't know about all this other shit. I said, and I recommend that you don't get into this type of shit either. I said, because these guys are all scumbags. So, probably two days later, he comes in a cell. Matt, his whole head was, like, blasted with, like, Nazi signs, pictures of Odin. I remember, this kid's from Detroit. And so he's like this.

Starting point is 00:55:14 Yeah, Eve, you like my tat? I said, no. I was like, I think you're an idiot, right? You're a jerk off. So anyway, with him, we split, we wind up because that was like receiving. Now, Big Sandy had so much violence going on at the time that the yard would be split.

Starting point is 00:55:32 So basically, like, if I was on A unit and you were on C unit, they might let us out at the same time, but you'd be on the softball field side. I'd be on the basketball court side. We couldn't, like, you know, wreck with each other because it was just too much for them to handle. So Kenny, I wind up going to B side. And when I go to B side, I guess they put me in facilities or something.

Starting point is 00:55:53 That was where, like, Unicorn facilities. B side was, like, actually chill. You know what I mean? Right. Now, A side was, like, where a lot of the gang members wanted to be. Because, you know, they all wanted to be together. So Kenny gets moved to A side. Now, they work in the Chow Hall.

Starting point is 00:56:07 So I come into Chow Hall to eat. Kenny's, like, wiping the tables where. he walks up to me. He's like, hey, what's up, B? I'm like, hey, Kenny, what's up, man? So he's like, man, he sits down for a second. He's like, man, he's like, I should listen to you. I'm like, what are you talking about? I was like, you should always listen to me, but what are you talking about? You know what I mean? So he's like, uh, he's like, you know, about joining the gang or whatever. He joined the Arian circle. You know what I mean? I call him the Aryan circus. You know what I was like, yeah, yeah, I told you. He's like, man, they just want me to do something. I don't want to do it.

Starting point is 00:56:37 I was like, look, Kenny, I don't want to hear no more of the conversation. I told you, you know, I hope you the best. Well, the whole thing was this. Here's what wound up happening with Kenny. I guess some guy who they didn't like was showing up from another jail. And Kenny's the new guy, the prospect guy. Right. They hand Kenny a bone crusher, which is a knife that they made.

Starting point is 00:56:58 And they say, look, this guy just hit the compound. It's his job now to go stab this guy. Kenny's not like that, man. So what Kenny does is he takes that knife and you've got to walk through corridors in the penitentiary. Like you don't go outside like the 10 minute move in the yard. You go through all corridors and cages of like shut it and stuff. So Kenny walks through the corridors, you know, he's supposedly going to stab this guy. But Kenny made a beeline for the goddamn lieutenant's office.

Starting point is 00:57:25 He goes in the lieutenant's office, boom, throws the knife on the thing and says, look, you got to put me on PC or whatever. These guys are trying to have this guy killed or trying to make me do it. So like I guess the whole rest of his bid he had to be on protective custody, which would suck, you know. And this kid never got involved. in that stuff, you know. So, and then he's got to go back to Detroit and he had a detainer where he's got to go to jail there with all that shit on his head. So, I mean, Kenny's probably dead.

Starting point is 00:57:51 Right. That's about, yeah, that's going to be a lot of problems. Right. So there were like, it was a lot of instances like where, like, I seen the fakeness through a lot of these guys. Like, um, there was an example. Um, this guy, uh, this guy, wiser. He was like from California. And he's like one of guys.

Starting point is 00:58:10 he's trying to start the white thing and, you know, skinhead or whatever type deal and shit. It was so dumb mad that I'm bald, right? So at that time, I was losing my hair. It was going really thin. And I wanted to shave my head, but I wouldn't even shave my head because I didn't want to know by getting it mixed up. Right. You know what I mean? So I got to run around like an idiot.

Starting point is 00:58:29 So anyway, this guy, this kid Scott shows up. Now this kid Scott's from Pittsburgh. He, like, robbed a bank with a BB gun. So he had like, whatever, less than 10 years, some shit like that. So he's actually one of the ones who didn't get manipulated by these guys. Like all these other guys, these kids who came there from the East Coast, they're all shaving their head, acting like they're racist and all wanting to join his gangs, get these goofy tattoos.

Starting point is 00:58:54 So basically, um, his kid Scott, he was just like, nah, guys, I'm cool. But Scott was a smaller guy. He's probably like five foot eight, probably 160 pounds. So they didn't like that. So this guy, Wiser, he's got all these dudes that sure have been sticking off for Scott, but he's got them all in his cell. And now I walk by the cell, they're in there sharpening the nines. So I walk in, I'm like, hey, what's up, guys?

Starting point is 00:59:21 They're like, Wise is like, what's up, E? What's up, Big E? You know what I'm like, no, I'm chilling. What's up with you? Yeah, we're going to get this Scott. We're going to kick his fucking teeth out. I was like, why do you want to do that to Scott? You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:59:33 He's like, because I know he's this. I know he's that. He needs to. I said, okay. I said, listen, man. I said, what are you saying? He's like, well, he needs to show me his paperwork. I said, dude, the guy, he's personal.

Starting point is 00:59:47 He just got here. I said, second off, why are you worried about his paperwork? You know, you're in a gang or whatever. Worry about your own people. She's like, no, he needs to show his paperwork because he's this and that. I said, you don't even know this about it. So anyway, I wound up backing him up into a corner of this way. I was like, let me ask you a question.

Starting point is 01:00:07 I said, why don't you ask me for my paperwork? He's like, huh? I was like, yeah. He's like, I know you're good. I said, how do you know I'm good? Because I'm 6-2-250. I'm tatted up. You can tell the same, my first rodeo.

Starting point is 01:00:18 Is that how you know him good? I was like, as a matter of fact, I said, I got my paperwork. I said, but I want to see everybody's paperwork. I said, I'm going to go get mine. Somehow they spun out at, but let me say it like this. I wasn't trying to cause no confusion. I didn't really care. I was just trying to save Scott's head.

Starting point is 01:00:36 Right. So now I run down there to Scott. And, you know, I tell Scott what's going on. He's like, yeah, I already know or whatever. I'm like, look, Scott, man. I said, look, I said, I'm arrived for you. But, like, you know, you can't go checking in. I don't know this type of shit.

Starting point is 01:00:52 You know what I mean? I said, because this could get serious or whatever. So I get moved over to the B side. And Scott and all them are still on Seaside. Now, he wasn't like the type of guy coming in the yard and nothing like that. So it had been a while since I said. seen them. So I'm like, I hope they didn't stab him or nothing like that. So these, these guys, they all come out to the yard one day. And I call him over the fence. I was like, hey, the guy's

Starting point is 01:01:12 guy from Pittsburgh. He's still in there. Oh, yeah, and he's good. He got his paperwork. I said, yeah, I said, I knew he's good. I said, but where's your guys is that? Does you guys still, does you guys produce anything yet? You know, and I was just kidding with him or whatever. So basically, basically what wound up happening is like the guys who always poke out their chest, they always wind up getting exposed. The guy wiser, he was probably there another month or whatever. He wound up getting stabbed or whatever because something was fucked up with him

Starting point is 01:01:40 and all that kind of stuff. So that was like a real eye-opening experience because it was just like just the fakeness of everything. Right. It's just like, I mean, you think you committed fraud? These people live fraud every day. You know what I mean? Like they're sitting there.

Starting point is 01:01:56 They're all lying. And it's like they want you to do all this stuff and all like, you know, they're manipulative. manipulating people. I'm like, how am I going to? And I got a little chip on my shoulder too. It's like this. The way I grew up, I grew up with when I was younger selling drugs and all. I'd make my, I had my little bit of money so I could buy whatever or whatever. My uncles, they would be crawling around stealing my money, shit like that because they were

Starting point is 01:02:22 junkies, you know, so I'd be mad, I beat them up, whatever. So I was like this. I'm thinking like, man, I've been snacking junkies around since I was 15. We think I can't do it when I'm 30, know what I mean? Or I'm going to have a drug addict loser tell me how to live, you know, because all of a sudden, all these guys got all these high morals. You know what I mean? Like, oh, this and that. You can't talk to this. Like, you're missing me with all that stuff. So eventually, I wind up, my points dropped because I've never been, like, convicted of a violent crime. Right. So my point, so my point, wait a second. Wait a second. So I want to tell you something. I don't know if you ever hear me talk about. about changing the guy's paperwork?

Starting point is 01:03:05 Yes. Okay. Yeah, that dude, like I felt bad for him. And the moment he was placed in a position where he could demand people's paperwork, he starts demanding it's like, wow, you're, you're a piece of shit, bro. Like you. Listen, I, I actually, this was before my, my, I ain't seen you on, um, Chad Marks's show. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:27 Okay. And that's the first time I've seen you. And then, you know, but I was like, just giving. through. So then I guess my buddy, this is a buddy of mine, he hits me up and he said, man, do you see this guy? It was about that. Hey, I was thrown out of my mind

Starting point is 01:03:44 too, dude. I'm sitting there. The black guy, Big Herk or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. He did or whatever. See, he's talking about this and that. He's like, man, this guy's acting like this. And I say, hey, I say, he's telling the truth. He's like, huh? I was like, he's telling the fucking truth. I was like, this is what really happens.

Starting point is 01:04:02 I was like, look, I figured that out because I did wind up going back to federal prison. I'm just going to put this in here real quick. I went back to federal prison. I went to Allenwood. They started in the low. I didn't last 20-some days or whatever, but they threw, I got thrown out. I got sent to the medium. So when I get to the medium, here's how I figured a lot of shit out too.

Starting point is 01:04:23 But I knew about people doing that fake paperwork shit. So when I get to the medium at Allenwood, Matt, everybody on the unit had good paperwork. work. No. That's impossible. There's not, see, this would think people don't understand. And, you know, kids need to know this and stuff. There's no honor amongst these. There's no such thing as a good car. You know what I mean? Right. And, you know, how people will even say a good dude. Well, maybe this guy's a good dude to you, but guess what? To somebody else, he's not. Right. You know what I mean? Because everybody's got that, you know what I mean? So there's some people who like me, some people hate me, you know, just like relationships in life, you know?

Starting point is 01:05:02 You might marry a woman or I might marry a woman that some other guy couldn't stand. Right. You know what I mean? So she's this to him, but she's this to you. So that's just like the regular stuff. But like when I went to Amelwood, dude, like when I watched your shit with big hurt, I was laughing my ass off because I'm like, dude, this guy's nailing it. And like, you could have really, I mean, you could have busted him out. Like, because he's told.

Starting point is 01:05:24 I told you. I was concerned. I mean, you know, you don't realize it when you see the video. But yeah, there was, like that. that could have gone bad for me. I mean, both of these guys are like, he's a, he's a big guy. His cameraman's a big guy. And I could see the more I was pushing, I was like, oh, this, this is, these guys are getting really aggravated.

Starting point is 01:05:42 You still pushed, though. You were still. I did, but I mean, I stopped. Like, I could have gone like full tilt. And I was like, yeah, you better calm the down. You're going to get, this may go bad. It's COVID. And you're in the middle of an empty hotel room in downtown L.A.

Starting point is 01:05:56 Like, you, you got nothing. Nobody's coming for you. So. Cool. also like a situation like that is like this a lot of times with the fake people and you can't even talk to them because their first thing is when they're painting

Starting point is 01:06:12 in the corner they want to react with violence that's what I was concerned with or shit they're screaming at the top of their lungs and you know but I mean what's the stuff that you're saying is actually it's accurate you know what I mean and that's what I told my buddy so I was doing all this flim flam stuff

Starting point is 01:06:30 And I know all this stuff from experience, too, because I'm always the one. Look, I was never that guy, man. I look, I was never that guy. I don't give a, you know what these people done and who they told her. Now, like the child blessers and shit, like, I hate that shit. You know what I mean? I have stacked them out, check them in, shit like that. But that was in my younger days.

Starting point is 01:06:48 But, you know, I'm not, I'm not nobody to speak on your situation. Right. You know what I mean? I'm not nobody to say that, you know? Okay, what guy wants to sit in prison? You know, like a lot of people say like this. you know like I've never I've never cooperated you know what I mean but guess what I've done over 20 years in prison you know what I mean I'm always the target I'm always the one they're coming after

Starting point is 01:07:13 you know what I mean so I can't sit here and tell a person like hey don't do that that's not I mean that's not fair you know what I'm saying like look their business is their business but like the first I was saying just like your first thing like the people that you're trying to I realize right away the people you're trying to protect are actually cooperating against you at that moment. You know, I don't have to see that more than once to realize like, oh, this, this isn't the way it works. Like this is, you know, then you go and you actually do some time and you, you meet some people

Starting point is 01:07:43 and you realize, oh, this is, this is up. I'm going to end up doing 20 or 30 years. Well, everybody else is going to go free. And in the end, nobody cares. Like, I'm in mortgages. Nobody's stabbing each other in mortgages. I'm in, you know, banking. There's nobody's, there's nobody's getting shot.

Starting point is 01:07:57 That's another thing, too. Like with what you're in, that kind of stuff, name me one fraud guy who didn't cooperate. Right. I'll wait. Right. Wait. You know what I'm saying? Because that's part of their game anyway because the feds actually probably want to, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:16 I'm just assuming, you know, the feds want to stop or know how to do certain things and stuff like that. So it's like, dude, you're not, look, even, look, what pisses me off is that the guys, these same guys that are screaming and stuff like that, out like a fraud guy or something, they're supposed to be street guys, but they, look, they moved the goalpost for herself. Or, or like I said, or if a guy can fight, they're not going, he could, you get, see him with CNN testifying, and they'll make an excuse for him, because he can fight. All right. You know what I mean? Or he'll kill you. You know what I mean? So I've been through all that stuff, like, um, and I've just, I've been set up. You know what I mean? I've seen what's

Starting point is 01:08:53 happened, like, with the tough guys, I'll tell you, like, what happened to me, I said, I say a big Sandy probably like 18 months. I didn't get in no trouble because see, Big Sandy, it's hard to get in trouble. It's very hard. Like, and the police are actually a little bit, you know, they're told, like, to leave people alone because, like, I give me an example.

Starting point is 01:09:13 You know how they do census counts? Yeah. Like, you see where you're at or whatever, whatever time. Yeah. Well, my job was supposed to be facilities. Now, till this day, I can't tell you where facilities is at a big Sandy. I didn't have to go. So they did a census count that was a rookie cop or whatever.

Starting point is 01:09:28 So he comes on and he's like a 12 o'clock census. Now my cellie, he worked in Unicorn. So I'm there, you know what I mean? Just chilling. So he's like, what's your name? I'm like, Foss. He's like, Eric Foss? I was like, yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:42 He's like, why ain't you at work? So I'm busting him down, man. I said, I put him off. That's the best mode. I said, because I'm in prison. That's why the fuck I ain't in work. He's like, okay, have a good day. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:09:53 So they don't do, you know what I mean? See, he don't know if I got life sentence or whatever. You know? So basically, like, when I get to, I get out of Big Sandy, I had clear conduct, everything like that. So I get down to Skook Hill in Pennsylvania. Now, this was one of the most cruddy places and backbiting situations I've ever been in. And it's the scumbags that are supposed to be tough and all this shit that do this type of shit. Like, I had a cell buddy, Tony Aiella.

Starting point is 01:10:25 He's like 72 years old. He's like associated with a mob, whatever. So he winds up moving to myself. And I like old Tony, you know. And I'm this type of guy, man. I respect everybody and stuff, especially older people. The guy's doing a life sentence, you know, from drugs because he didn't want to lose his properties or whatever.

Starting point is 01:10:44 But anyway, so he moves in. So me and Tony become pretty cool, you know. Now they give him an operation. A BOP gives him an operation a month, like this dick up real bad or whatever. So he's like blood and everything. pit. It was bad, man. So anyway, he was like, you know, he's like a pack rat.

Starting point is 01:11:00 He's like a hoarder. So the cell was always up. He's got his shit hanging everywhere and all. I mean, what do you want me to do? You know what do you want to? You know, these case managers and unit managers are like, what do you want me to do? You want me to cuss? I'm not going to custole, man. I'm not going to do that. I don't give a... You know, I'm going to yard every day anyway, you know? And I like the guy, you know. He's doing life. So they wind up separating us.

Starting point is 01:11:19 They separate us from, um, each other. Now, this was actually this was actually the second time this happened to in this place so basically what happens is you know how you always got the head orally

Starting point is 01:11:34 yeah you know the head orly's got to talk to the police you know they got to tell the police everything and shit so anybody you know usually that's a head orally and usually they're junkies well this head orally was a junkie and they knew the old man had money and everything like that and he had like a couple big gold chains and stuff

Starting point is 01:11:50 so what they do is I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he told the counselor, the counselor had them separate this or whatever, so they could pull this move. So, they move in a cell with somebody else. So I'm like, I'm kind of like happy. They move me in another cell. I'm kind of happy like, like,

Starting point is 01:12:06 to Christ, clean cell and shit finally, you know what I mean? So after 4 o'clock count, Tony comes to my door. He's like, e! I'm like, what's up, Tony? He's like, they got me. I said, what? He's like, they got me.

Starting point is 01:12:19 I was like, what are you talking about? Somebody stole out of my lock. He can't even really speak in the room. So he was saying in his locker. I said, what are you talking about? They broke in his locker and stole his gold chains. So I'm pissed. And then back then I was a really good cheat.

Starting point is 01:12:34 You know what I mean? I could do cardio for forever. You know what I mean? You know, I was always strong shit like that. So I'm heated. You know, so I fuck a B-line out of the cell. I brought a shirt to head orally. You know, so I'm going to break your neck.

Starting point is 01:12:44 These chains don't come back. Oh, they're going to do. Yeah, you did. You know? So we wound up getting one chain back. So the head of Oregon is back He's doing this investigation I know you're behind it

Starting point is 01:12:54 Oh you gave one back Okay in a couple days Give another home back You know what I mean I don't want no problems I'm going home in a couple months Right But I'm just so pissed off

Starting point is 01:13:02 You know And not the Italian dudes Are really taking his back or nothing Because you know they're They're not getting in the mouth They won't They'll shoot their best friend in the head But they'll come to prison

Starting point is 01:13:13 I'm stealing a tomato Right You know You know So like come on What's wrong with you So So anyway

Starting point is 01:13:19 So I'm beating the drum about this shit. So I'll go to the yard the next morning, like a couple, or a few days later, whatever. So I go to the yard. I do my cardio. I do my weightlift and where, you know, so it's about to be yard recall 1030. I walk up to where all the Italian guys hang out, you know, they call a bar deal or whatever. So I'm sitting there. I throw my bag down, and then there's this little Italian guy, Frankie, right, he's, he's all over the place. He's like, you know, always talking this shit. So we're sitting there talking. He's like, E, what the guy's that?

Starting point is 01:13:52 I said, what are you talking about? So what the guy's that in your bag? He says, what do you mean? He reaches down. He pulls out a big-ass piece of like a big screw, and it was sharpened. So as I was at wreck, apparently somebody put that in my bag as, you know, you sit your gym bag in or whatever. So then when I go back through the metal detector, I would have got, you know, knocked off. They're trying to get rid of me because I'm sticking off for an old man. Right. So, you know, these are these tough guys. You know what I mean? These are the tough guys.

Starting point is 01:14:19 They go after old men, you know, all that kind of shit. And that was the second time that happened. The first time that it happened at Scoot Kill, I think the police put a knife in my cell. Because Mycelli, his name was Larry. He was the older. He had already been in like 20 years. And we had a sports ticket together. But they hated Larry so much anyway because he'd been there so many years.

Starting point is 01:14:41 And Larry wasn't that pride. Like, well, I'm not going to say that. But he'd been locked up for so. long and he didn't understand like the shit that you understand and I understand like these are stumbags you know what I mean he has the head orally holding like 400 books of stamps which is the currency yeah you know you know each book is worth like so that's like two thousand dollars you know so he's got the head ordely hold man so the head orderly sets it up to get larry you know thrown out of the jail so he can keep the stamps so um I hear that they got larry on the walk

Starting point is 01:15:17 You know, some fingers for the ticket stuff, you know. So I had all the tickets, you know, the master sheets and all in the cell. So they locked the jail down. So obviously they just lock Larry up. They're going to come search myself. Obviously, I know this. I wind up getting, ripping up all the paper, flushing all the tickets, all the contraband in the cell. So here they come and get to the cell.

Starting point is 01:15:41 They're like, anything in here? I'm like, no, nothing's in here. So the cop goes like this. He's like, you sure no knives are in here? Like, yeah, I'm positive. He goes, I guess he reaches under, like, the locker, like under Larry's locker. He goes, whoa, what's this? I said, are you serious?

Starting point is 01:15:58 It was a, it was a, first off, it was a toothbrush with a razor tape to it. Now, you're telling me that I can get rid of all these tickets and all this kind of stuff, but I could have thought, though, just take this apart. Right. You know what I mean? So obviously, it wasn't mine. It wasn't Larry's. Now, I don't know if they orderly put it there or gone or if I asked to think the cop did it.

Starting point is 01:16:22 You know what I mean? Because he's walking me to Laco. He's like, yeah, don't think I put anything in your cell or not. I'm just like, man, whatever. So I get in there, me and Larry Sellies and I was going home, you know, within a year or whatever. So Larry still had like 10 years left. So he's like, he's like, I know that was for me, man. He's like, I'm just going to take it.

Starting point is 01:16:40 You know, so he wound up taking that shot. And then, you know, they had to let me out, you know. And I was back there. That was like hell, dude, I was smoking, that shoe, I was only there like 30 days. And that shoe, it was so hot. It was summertime. There's no air conditioning, okay? You will, like, you know, you get your breakfast in the morning and you eat like the coffee cake.

Starting point is 01:17:01 Yeah. So, you know how, like, if you eat real hot food, like spicy food, you'll sweat. Right. Dude, if you just from digesting the coffee cake, you'll break out in the sweat. Like, this is how hot it was. I probably went in the shoe, probably 230 pounds. and when I got out, I was like 198 pounds. I didn't work out.

Starting point is 01:17:18 I didn't do nothing. That's just from being sweating. You know what I mean? It was like a sign. So that's when I got out there. And then eventually that all happened with the old man Tony or whatever. So I wind up getting out. I wound up getting out of Scootoo.

Starting point is 01:17:33 So when I get out of Scootoo, I go to halfway house and I come home. So when I come home, I'm pretty much, I'm on a straight and narrow. So that same guy that I told you, he had the same name that's, me he wound up he's like you know he looked out for me when i was in prison and everything for not throwing him under the bus or whatever but he had um he was a certified appraiser and he had an appraisal company so like like i said technically is fraud but technically my name is eric and his name is eric so he had me showing up i you know i needed a job and it's hard to get a job as you know getting out of prison or whatever felon whatever so he's like look man come work for me and do

Starting point is 01:18:11 appraisals because he hated like I didn't even his girlfriend broke up and he's like kind of weird he was stay in the house didn't like to go out around people then he got on drugs pills or some shit so he didn't like going out doing the inspections and so like when you're doing appraisal you got to go physically do the inspection you know take all your photos everything like that then you you you know you take upload it then you you know you do your appraisal report so he had me doing the inspections so I'm showing and he threw me to the wolves man I got a box on my ankle I'm in the halfway out still. And I'm going into these homes, right?

Starting point is 01:18:45 So he started me out. He started, but I learned a lot. Like, you know what I mean? I learned a lot on my own because he started me out just throwing me in the houses like, in like neighborhoods like where I'm from and stuff like that. These people don't give a shit. You know what I mean? They don't care.

Starting point is 01:18:58 They don't want to ask you a bunch of questions and all, all that kind of shit and all. So I would just show up, hey, I'm Eric. I'm the appraiser, you know, which I am, Eric. And I'm really not the certified appraiser. I guess you call me a trainee or whatever. Right. But I mean, it was good money because we're.

Starting point is 01:19:10 splitting it. You know, each appraisal's like four. And you've got the box. And you've got the box. I mean, they see the. No, they don't see it. Dude, yeah, I got to cover up my tattoos and everything. I'm sweating like a pig, man. I got to wear long pants and everything. So he's basically throwing me to the wolves.

Starting point is 01:19:28 I don't know really shit about nothing. I don't know what recess lighting is from a goddamn radiator, you know what I mean, at that point, you know? But I learned like, but, so I would go into them type of houses. You know, a lot of people, doing their reverse mortgages and shit like that, you know, that J.B. Nutter would send everybody and just make sure the house is still standing, you know. So I wind up learning some stuff and this is what I learned to it. I wind up going, this. He gets so lazy. He's just

Starting point is 01:19:58 sending me to everything. Now, I get to this house. This is what you want to avoid. You want to avoid the middle-aged white guy who walks around in a tie and black socks and you know, you want to avoid this guy. So I go to one. He said to be one of the houses. I get this house. I start doing the inspection and he's like he's answering me all kind of questions.

Starting point is 01:20:22 I don't know if, I didn't understand if something was under contract or, you know what I mean? I didn't know none of the lingo, you know? So I'm just like this. I'm looking around the house. I'm like, fuck, we're busting. You know what I mean? But I look for something I could talk to him about. He had this room full of all this football memorabilia.

Starting point is 01:20:38 So I'm like, oh shit. LT La Delian Thomason. Wow, man, I remember when he had 29 Touchette. I started talking to him about sports. You know what I mean? And just was able to manipulate my way through like that. But once I started learning, because I would come back and I was

Starting point is 01:20:53 studying this shit myself. Like there's, you know, I know more than him, honestly, about the inspections, about FHA and everything like that now. You know, so one time I get thrown into this fucking house and this guy, see, now I know what's going. This guy's in financial.

Starting point is 01:21:09 trouble. He's trying to refinance. So I ain't got enough the night before or whatever. And I thought, you know, the praises, you're supposed to be the middleman. You're not supposed to have a dog in a fight. But, you know, I don't really give a shit. Now, I wouldn't rip off banks or nothing. You know what I mean? Nothing like that. Like, you know,

Starting point is 01:21:25 the bank was going to lend the money. I'm not putting fake photos in. But I'm also not climbing up in scuttles and looking to, I'm not doing stupid shit. So, or if you got some flaking paint, I'm just going to take another picture and be like, look, just paint that. know what I mean. So I go in there and I catch this white guy. He's just a prick, man. He's acting like he's so rich and shit like that. And then this is when I started figuring out people are bullshit. You know what I mean? I'm sorry. I look at it. I'm going fast. An inspection takes me 20 minutes. You know what I mean? Not even. I'm just going to click, click, click, click, click, click, all right, have a nice day. You know, which day should want. Well, he just wanted to stick his chest out. He's like, this don't look like a proper inspection to me.

Starting point is 01:22:09 I said, you know what? I said, you're absolutely right because it's not. I said, now check this out. I said, so I'm going to get out of here because I'm not doing proper inspection. And we're going to send somebody in here who's going to take pictures of that flake of paint. Who's going to go down there and see that you've got to cover off of this? Who's going to see right there and see that rail and it's shaky? You know, I know what you're doing.

Starting point is 01:22:30 You're trying to refinance. Now, do you want me to send that guy? You want me to send that guy? He's like, no, just do your job, man. I'm sorry. Right. You know what I mean? So I was doing that and I wound up getting my real estate license.

Starting point is 01:22:43 So I wound up doing that and then start flipping houses and stuff. How is getting your real estate license you had? Did you, how does that work there? I mean, I know a lot of felons that have gotten it. Did you have to take the test and everything first and go in front of a board and answer some questions that like they make you jump here. Here's some hoops. Here's where I told him I was a convicted felon. If I had never told them, they don't really check.

Starting point is 01:23:08 that shit, like the commission. Well, up here, I know. Well, here's what it was. By me telling them that, okay, I go, I take the, you know, you take the course of online, okay, the CC shop or whatever. I think I took it through there or whatever.

Starting point is 01:23:24 So I go ahead and then I go down and then you take like, at the community college you take like the pre-test or whatever. And then you go to the, like, PSI place it's called. And like when you go in, they take like your cell phone and everything. So you can't cheap, you know, so then you take your national and state on the same day.

Starting point is 01:23:43 So I wind up passing that. Now, when, when, uh, then you log in and it's like, congratulations, you pass, you know, so you got to, you know, you got to take, take your license and you, you take it to a broker and just basically, you know, you hang it in their office like Remax was my broker. Right. So that's just, you know, that's just, you know, that's just who's backing up. But when I hit the thing, like to get to get whatever, the actual license or whatever from the department licensed labor, it wouldn't give it to me. So I'm like, Jesus, what the hell's going on? So I went to

Starting point is 01:24:14 my broker. I'm like, man, he's like, did you tell him you're a convicted felon? I was like, yeah, he's like, man, he shouldn't have done that, right? But what they had me do was I had to get all, like, my old, like, court cases and stuff like that, what I was convicted of. And I took it down to it. It was down on Baltimore Street. I took it to some office, and I gave that to them. And it took probably about like two weeks or whatever. And the real estate commission, they approve me for my license. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:41 So, but they're really worried about, um, they're really worried more about like DUIs and like, you know, like sex charges and stuff like that. Cause you know, like when you're,

Starting point is 01:24:51 you're going to showings and stuff like that. But I do know this because I was looking at it. I think it is, it is tougher in Florida. It is, it is a little bit tougher in Florida because I was, I was around that time I was going to thinking about moving down there. but I didn't do it, but I was looking into like the real estate license and stuff like that at Florida because everywhere is different.

Starting point is 01:25:13 Like my license is, um, was expired now, but when I had my license, it was reciprocal to Oklahoma and Pennsylvania, which I believe means, because I never tried it, but I believe that means like if I went up to Pennsylvania or something, I would be able to do, you know, do a deal or whatever. if I took their state exam. I would be able to go into that place that day and take the exam. So you wouldn't have to go through a bunch of stuff. But it wasn't, you know what I mean? That's certainly two places it was. Oklahoma and Pennsylvania. Yeah. Well, I mean, so I don't know. I know people who have who have felons,

Starting point is 01:25:43 drug charges, been to prison, everything. They've got out the same thing. They had to take the test. They, you know, they answer the question. Because they'll, they charge you to run your license, you know? I mean, to run your, a background check. So they say, they tell them. But they, if they just go to, them and say, look, here's what happened. I, you know, I was selling drugs. I was young. This is what happened. I went to jail. I did eight years. I got out. I've been, you know, I've been off probation. I'm good. They're going to, they're going to, okay. So, so, so it's basically the same thing. Yeah, but they want to know.

Starting point is 01:26:15 You know, because you're right. What if, what if it was, hey, oh, it was kidnapping. It was, you know, then it's like, okay, wait a minute. You know, this is getting more. Although I know a guy who, you know, had a murder charge that, you know, but that got his license. But, but it was also he hadn't been in trouble in, you know, 10 years. And so I think a lot of times they're, they're concerned with with fraud more than anything else. But I also know a chick that was my co-defendant that got her real estate license, but that wasn't in Florida. That was in, um, um, is she in Indiana or Illinois? She's in Illinois. But I'm assuming she could have gotten in Florida because she only had one charge, but she did all of the, like every one of these people did prison time. It's not like it was

Starting point is 01:26:58 probation they were always prison. So yeah, I think you can get it. I think most people can get it, you know, but most people shy away from it. They don't want that they think, oh, I can't get it. I'm afraid. No, that's not what it necessarily means. Yeah, I also, like, when I did my carpet cleaning business, I did frog before too. Like, and I can talk about it now.

Starting point is 01:27:19 I'm pretty sure it's actually, well, no, you're all got, they just washed it on the water. What I did was this, like, when I first got out of state prison, I told you, I did my carpet cleaning business, right? So what I did was back then we didn't have social media. So you used to have to advertise in this thing called a penny saver. You know, like one of them like days is just coming. So you know the big coupon that falls out like in the middle. I was like dominant piece might be on one side.

Starting point is 01:27:43 And I paid that ad my company on the other side. So they would do it. I was paying like 20 grand a month. But I was going, my ad was going into so many houses. You know what I mean? Like a million houses or something. And you pick your areas. Like I didn't even do ball.

Starting point is 01:27:58 Nobody's getting their fucking car to clean in Baltimore. You know what I mean? So I would do like Northern Virginia, you know, PG counties, places like that. And so there was a lot of money, you know, just to run the app. Advertises a lot of fucking money. People don't understand that. So I was doing that. And then I screwed up, man.

Starting point is 01:28:17 I had been locked up. So I wanted to go out and party and stuff like that. So I had my partner, Hover, he was, you know, he, I met him because when I first got out, the job that I got while I was on the box was as a carpet cleaner. He was my crew chief. I was his helper. So we did that for like one day. I said, look, man, we're going to start our own business. He said, how are we going to do that? Where are we going to get the money? I said, don't worry about that. I said, we're going to start our own business. That way it made it easier on me because now the home detention people, we were set up in his apartment. That was

Starting point is 01:28:50 the office. So they were not going to come to Glenn Bernie and check on me or whatever. So we started doing that. Now, it was decent. So then when I come off home detention, obviously I want to go out and have some fun. So it was like a month that I was out. And I paid for the advertising. And like when I say 20,000 a month, people got to understand. Yeah, you pay 20,000. But then that month rolls over.

Starting point is 01:29:14 You know what I mean? So you'll still have appointments booked for like two, you know, two months, whatever. But you're also rolling the dice because nobody might never call. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's 20 grand down the train. So I leave everything up to hope. I'm like, look, I'm going to go chill on my hands.

Starting point is 01:29:28 hang out with chicks, whatever, you know, do whatever. Now, my little brother, I used to pay him like $600 a week and cash, and he was like our helper, you know, he would go out with Hovic, stuff like that, go do the jobs. I would usually chill at the apartment. So, so basically, um, Hovic screwed everything up. I'm in the, I'm right around the neighborhood one day, me and this girl. So I see my little brother and then, they're all hanging on the corner, you know. So I pull up. I'm like, hey, Jesse, why don't get you at work? He said, man, I ain't been to work in. like almost a month. I was like, what about COVID? You know, because I was just ignoring everybody. You know what I mean? I was like, what about who? I'll try to get in touch for them every time. It just

Starting point is 01:30:08 goes to, you know, I mean, it goes to a voicemail or whatever. Now, you know this, man. If, if I'm paying this money for advertisement and I told him, Matt, I gave him the best deal in the world, I said, just put the money back, keep all the profit. You know, he put it back in our accounts. Now, he had his, now, he was, he was a, he had his own thing. And we had set up to take credit cards through the merchant thing, that was actually in his name, New Life Carpet Care. I was A through Z carpet care, but we were using his merchant. Right. You know, because you don't want to show up at a house.

Starting point is 01:30:37 They want to pay with a credit card. Oh, we don't take credit cards. Right. How's a professional bet. So all you had to do, that's back with Nextel. So the key to it was you could have downloaded apps and, you know, your bank and all that stuff on Nextel. Right.

Starting point is 01:30:51 So what I did was I come back around. I see, hoping screwed everything up, dude. He was like selling our jobs to like this other. guy, you know what I mean, when he get, when he get him or whatever. So he's doing drugs, whatever. So he screwed up the money. So I get mad at him, you know, whatever. So I'm like this. I'm pissed off, man. It just costs me a bunch of money. So I'm hanging at this strip club. And I notice, I notice these like guys like come in there all the time. They're like Russians, you know, foreigners, you know, them type of guys, you know, and they're spending big money.

Starting point is 01:31:23 So I always knew all the chicks and stuff. So I go to the bar and me. I say, hey, I said, me ask you a question. This is my first one I did. I said, this guy over there. I said, what's his deal? He's got a lot of money. She's like, yeah. I was like, he's got his credit card and everything. She's like, yeah. I said, what does he spend? She's like, he spends a ton of money. And he would get prostitutes and everything like that. So I'm like, all right. I said, look, I said, look, I said, give her 500 bucks. I said, give me, give me all his credit card information or whatever. Because she had to write that. And couldn't snap the photo because we didn't have all that back then. She said,

Starting point is 01:31:58 So she would write that down. It's expiration date. You know, the thing on the back, the three, three numbers, like five, six, one, whatever. Right. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to try this shit. So I get all that. I go in the bathroom. I run his credit card for like four grand.

Starting point is 01:32:14 So boom, it goes through. I come out. I sit down. I'm sitting there just drinking my drinking. I'm watching. I'm watching him. If he gets a phone call, if anything, nothing. So I get out of there.

Starting point is 01:32:26 I tell Hoveick, I say, hey, man. because it would take three days to go pick up the cash. I said in three days, man, got four grand coming, go get it. You know what I mean? So it worked. So I'm like,

Starting point is 01:32:36 holy shit, right? So I start doing that shit like every night. I did it for like a month. That's all I did it for. It got like 70,000. You know what I mean? Cash. And then they wind up calling Hovick.

Starting point is 01:32:48 They're like, you know, this is some type of fraud or whatever. So Hogan calls me up, man, we're going to prison. Oh my God and shit. I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not. Shut up. I said, you see.

Starting point is 01:32:57 You see all the invoices we got that are empty? He's like, yeah, I said, start filling them out. Right. He's like, what do you mean? I said, start filling them out. We clean their carpet. You know what I mean? So he's doing all that and shit.

Starting point is 01:33:07 And then plus, I had leverage because, look, these guys are out there cheating on their wives, all this kind of stuff. So what are they going to say? No, it was at a strip club, you know what I mean? So basically at the end of the day, it wasn't prison or anything, the insurance, their insurance, because it was 70 grand. So their insurance actually, whatever the merchant place was. whatever their insurance covered it but hope it can ever have that in his name again yeah yeah i was going to say they closed the account he's on a list somewhere but yeah it's not they're not coming after you for the fraud right but yeah that's that was like i was like man that was that was

Starting point is 01:33:41 like taking taking candy from a baby you know what i mean so like yeah i've done a lot of that type shit well not a lot of fraud stuff but i've been involved like a lot of real estate you know trying to do my own businesses and stuff like that but like drugs always gets involved like the last time when I got out of Scoot Hill and I was doing the appraisals and got my real estate license and stuff. Now, I was honestly, I was doing good. I would use that for like, I would really use my license to like do a flip on a house because now I don't got to pay when I listed. I can list it myself. Right. You know what I mean? So I was doing that and then I did get back into, I did get back into the drugs and stuff like that, but I caught a bad break on like I got put into another conspiracy.

Starting point is 01:34:26 got put into another conspiracy that I'm really not I really wasn't in it. So I'm out doing whatever. I have a buddy. He was, he was under investigation. So I'm headed down, the MMA fights down, Baltimore Arena, this guy John Rallo.

Starting point is 01:34:43 He actually got MMA legalized in Maryland. You know, like Joe Rogan's talked about him and everything. He used to be a fight, whatever. So John's cool, you know, so I always supported his stuff and all. So what it happened was,

Starting point is 01:34:54 my girlfriend, my girlfriend got me tickets for my birthday. My birthday's always 30. This wasn't until October. But, you know, she got him on my birthday. So I think it was like October 6, 2018. So we're headed down there. My buddy's under investigation. He calls me.

Starting point is 01:35:12 Now, I had, I just got back from New York because I was like right around my birthday. I'm like, man, fuck this. I'm going on a bunch of trips and stuff like that. So I would go up to New York for like two weeks and then come back. And now I was right in between going to Vegas. I was headed to Vegas like October 19th. So this is October 6th. Now, I guess my buddy's under investigation.

Starting point is 01:35:34 I'm not. My phone's not tapped. None of that shit. He calls me up. He's like, yo, what are you doing? I said, I'm going down to the MMA fights. He's like, oh, all right, cool. I might stop down.

Starting point is 01:35:46 I like, all right, cool. I said, but if you do, make sure you bring your girl because I'm with Stacy. Stacey is my girlfriend, man. She was a good person, man. And, like, she was a square. So, like, she's a really good person. Like, to this day, we're not together, whatever. But, like, she's just one of them people that's just, like, an awesome person.

Starting point is 01:36:02 You know what I mean? Great person. So I don't want her to think. And I didn't cheat on her and none of that thing. So I didn't want her to think he's going to show up with another chick. He'd be like, man, when he's out, he's probably doing that same thing. Right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:36:16 So I'm like, make sure you bring your girl. Well, in the, at least in my city, in the inner city, girl is cocaine, boy is heroin. But that's not for like drug dealers. We don't talk like that. You know what I mean? When I was a drug dealer, we don't talk like that. That's for like drug addicts.

Starting point is 01:36:34 They'll be like, who's got the girl? Who's got the boy? You know what I mean? So I'm saying make sure you bring your girl. So they indicted me for that, man. They wound up indicted me for that shit. So basically, I'm not never figured nothing because I'm really not doing shit. Like this is how dumb they.

Starting point is 01:36:53 are. I had, like, when they raided, they raided our house. We had a townhouse at Perry Hall. And so it's, this house is nice, nice townhouse. There's no drug traffic. There's never been a drug in this house. I've never had drugs around her. You know what I mean? She knew that I did certain things on the side and all. My stash house was right in Baltimore City. It was actually a house that was it was about to be foreclosed on, but I was doing it. I knew the guy, and I was like, you know, I'd show up there and like, looking like I'm rehabbing the house. So in my bag, I got a bunch of, you know, pounds of weeds, you know, whatever. So that was my stash house.

Starting point is 01:37:36 So here's that, you know, like, they weren't even looking at me. So they wind up, they, uh, I went to Vegas. I come back from Vegas. I stayed there like a week. So when I went, my same friend, he lent me, I had one, I had one luggage bag, and I, but I was staying for a week, so I needed, you know, another bag. So he lent me, like, one of them Louis Vuitton bags where it's like $7,000 bag, whatever. You know, I don't get shit about that, but whatever.

Starting point is 01:38:05 So he lends me that. So I go ahead, now, if you're surveillance and all this kind of stuff, and you're talking about stupid shit, like they had surveillance of me going and fucking buying a pack of cigarettes and and beard die because I dye my beard. You know what I mean? So you're telling me, if you're really on your shit, me and this guy are handing, he hands me a big Louis-Petan bag.

Starting point is 01:38:28 And then when I came back from Vegas, I handed back to give him back his bag. There was nothing in it. Right. But like, they could have painted that picture, you know? So they weren't doing too good of surveillance, is my point. So when they wind up, wind up, that was,

Starting point is 01:38:42 I get back from Vegas probably the end of October. So now this is almost, I think it was like November 14th. They wind up up. We go out, we go out for dinner, me and her. And we have a nice dinner. Come back, you know, do whatever. Now we're in bed. Like, this is a normal house. It's her, me, my dog, and her two daughters, which are like 13 and 10 at the time. You know what I mean? There's no drugs in this place. Not at all. No drug dealers. They're not that shit. And it's a suburban neighborhood. So we're in bed.

Starting point is 01:39:19 Next thing you know, it's like all this smoky shit like through the house. And you're hearing like echoes and all. And shoutals up. Like, you know, I was having a few drinks and stuff. I guess I'm clearing my head. Now, Stacey's like, Eric, something's going on. So I see all this shit. So like, all right, all right, hold up, baby.

Starting point is 01:39:37 So I go, I look out our back window. And it's, you know, we got a grass alley. It's not like an alley where I grew up where you've got a bunch of goddamn concrete and rats and shit. You know, the stray cats and shit. So I'm looking out of this grass alley. Next thing you know, boom. There's like a red beam on my head.

Starting point is 01:39:52 I'm like, oh, shit. So I'll weave out of the way. So she's like, what's going on? Now I hear them down there screaming. Eric, come down. Eric, come down. I was like, it was like something out of like Will Smith movie or something. They're a military, they're a military clothes and all this shit.

Starting point is 01:40:06 So I'm like this. I'm like, okay. She's like, what's happening? I said, we're getting raided. She's like, for what? I was like, obviously for me, baby. You know what I mean? She's like, well, what'd you do?

Starting point is 01:40:17 I said, no. You know what I mean? So I was like, don't worry. So I figured, look, I go down there, you know, my hands up, everything like that, walk down and I says backwards. I said, look, guys, I said, I'm surrendering. Now, if you're doing an investigation, you know this ain't that kind of house. You know nobody's in this house.

Starting point is 01:40:33 They're just trying to show all. Right. So they cuff me. They're like, who's in the house? I said, my dog. I said, my girlfriend and her two daughters. I said, please. nobody has nothing

Starting point is 01:40:47 doing nothing this is about me I said please just you know what I mean just don't shoot nobody you know just take it easy nah I can't listen you know what I mean they don't listen right so they got me coughed

Starting point is 01:40:59 next thing you know they get they bring them down on a and they sit them on a couch I'm not sure if they had coughed them but they've got their guns right in these little girl's faces and my girlfriend's face

Starting point is 01:41:13 screaming at them. I mean, these people have never been through that. I feel guilty to the state. These people have never been through this shit in their life. Right. So I flip out. You know what I mean? I flip out. I start spitting on the police and everything. Try, you know, try and throw karate kicks out of all kinds of shit. So they're like, man, he's nuts. Get him out of here. Because they're supposed, they actually brought the, they x-rayed my walls. You know what I mean? Looking for money. There was only five grand there, like, a little less than $5,000 bucks cash. Because it was, yeah, I always kept that kind of cash like around a few

Starting point is 01:41:44 grand or whatever, you know. And also, oh, five grams of marijuana. Weed, which is a ticket. It's a $50 ticket. That's what's in the house. So they don't find them, but they start screaming, you know, I mean, they're screaming at me and shit. And they're like, get him out of here. He's a nutcase and all this kind of stuff. I'm not a nutcase, dude. You're locking me up. I understand that. You could have texted me. I would have came outside. Right. And obviously, they threw their concussion grenades, some type of smoke grenades all through the house. I'm like, you know, I'm pissed about that. But, you know, when you're sitting here, you know what time it is, man. You don't got to do that to these people. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:42:20 So they get a regular cow. And this guy looks like, like, O.B. Taylor. You know, he's a young guy or whatever. So he's red-haired guy where there. So he's like, he's scared to death. You know, he's snowing out. Now, I'm in my own, I'm in a pair of sweatpants and just my house slippers. You know what I mean? Like a wife beater I'm wearing. Like, they don't even let me put clothes on snowing out. So as the guy, is the regular cops walking me out, he's like, he's like, boss, listen, I don't,

Starting point is 01:42:48 I don't have nothing to do with this. I'm just, I said, I know what you're doing, man. I said, you're doing your job. I said, I'm not, I said, I'm not even made of them today. They were just doing their job. You know, I said, I'm not the type of dude. You know what I mean? You got to take me to jail. Come on. So I said, I'm fucked out. This is just fucking cop runs outside.

Starting point is 01:43:03 You know, they always got to be a tough guy. He's like, she jumps in my face. He's like, you think you're tough? I was like, nah. I said, matter of fact, I know I'm tough. So he's like, he's, because I was mad at that point. So he's like, what if I take these handcuffs off? I said, you take these handcuffs off.

Starting point is 01:43:17 I'm going to knock you out. And he's like, well, I'm not going to do that. I said, I didn't think so. You know what I mean? So he likes, Obey Taylor or whatever, takes me to jail. So I'm sitting there and I'm in a precinct, like White Marsh precinct. So I'm like, I still don't know what happened. I'm thinking like, like I said, I was doing some shit on the side.

Starting point is 01:43:36 Like, here's how stupid they are. I still had like at my stash house I still had like 10 pounds of weed about 200 of them weed pens You know how they're like legal now or whatever Like I was I was getting it back in the day You know what I mean I would get them sent So I had like 200 of them

Starting point is 01:43:51 You know some coke probably 18 ounces of coke Something like that You know my Lexus is parked right in the driveway Of the goddamn stash house You know what I said So if there was so much so smart Why didn't they read that but they didn't But anyway

Starting point is 01:44:06 I said they take me to jail. So I'm at White Marsh Precinct. Now, nobody's telling me. Nobody's telling me what I'm locked up for. But obviously, I know it's for some type of drug dealing or something. But I'm really not selling drugs like that. You know, I'm not really up big into the drugs. That's not like my whole thing.

Starting point is 01:44:22 So they're trying to put pressure with my girl or whatever. Like, I give her credit for this. She said like this. She said, look, because she worked for BG&E, Baltimore Gas and Electric. They wanted to take her, and she worked from home. She'd been there 20 years. So they wanted to take her actually desktop computer. Like they didn't wind up taking that.

Starting point is 01:44:41 But that was for her work. That's for BGE. She's got nothing to do with this. They took all their phones and all took them to a lab. And then they asked her, they said, you know, do you know anything? You know, whatever. She said, look, all I know, I know, she's saying my boyfriend's a drug dealer.

Starting point is 01:44:54 He's telling me he's not. I believe him. Right. You know what I mean? That's the truth. Nothing was ever around her. So as I'm at the precinct, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Next to you know, this black dude comes in.

Starting point is 01:45:06 he had got raided, I guess, the same time. I don't know this guy from a can of paint. So I'm like, you know, how you start talking. It's just you and him there. So I'm like, yeah, what's up? He said, yeah, they rated me four in the morning. I said, yeah, me too. So another guy shows up.

Starting point is 01:45:20 Another black guy, he's like, yeah, they rated me four in the morning. I'm like, yeah, me too. So then everybody's like, you know, Jason? I'm like, yeah. Right. Yeah, it's probably got to doing it. So anyway, they get us to the, they get us to Baltimore County, Joe.

Starting point is 01:45:36 happening. So they get us to Baltimore County jail. Now, when they get us to Baltimore County jail, I walk in, I see Jason right there on the phone, you know what I mean? He's making of calls and go, what are you doing here? I said, I'm just coming to say hi. You know what I mean? Who do you think I'm doing here? I'm in a bullpen with these guys. It's probably like 10 people. I don't know one of them. You know what I mean? And like I'm from, listen, I'm from the I'm from the streets, man, but like, I cleaned up my image. Like, not all the way, but like, you know, like tattoos, like even though I kind of regret some of my tattoos,

Starting point is 01:46:10 tattoos are accepted nowadays and stuff. But I mean, these guys all got like gold teeth. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? They want that image. Right. You know, they're like how when I was a kid. I used to wear the three finger rings.

Starting point is 01:46:22 I had to, you know, all that kind of shit. But I was 15, 16 years old, you know what I mean? So I'm looking at a bullpen. I'm like, geez, this is going to be a real embarrassment. You know what I mean? Like, what the, now, I don't know none of these people, but Jason. So obviously they give me no bail. So now this is a, this is a, this is a county, you know, state charge at first.

Starting point is 01:46:42 But Jason, they had caught at one of his houses. They found four kilos of Coke. Okay. So the house I've never, never been there in my life, none of that kind of stuff. Like I said, I don't know really none of these people, but I know Jason. So he's like, yo, you'll be all right. You're like, you ain't got nothing to do it on this. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:58 I was going to say, have you put it together that you? you got slipped into an indictment that you have nothing to do? Like, had you already put that together? Yes. Okay. Yes, at this point. Now I'm at the embarrassment point. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:47:10 I'm at the embarrassment point. But I'm still figuring, okay, this isn't the feds. You know what I mean? Now they said that some people were going to go federal on this case. So obviously, Jason and this other guy, G. You know, so they got caught with shit. Guns, drugs, everything. I didn't get calling nothing.

Starting point is 01:47:26 You know what I mean? I'm really not. Like I said, that was a year-long investigation. they picked me up in that investigation on like two conversations in like October they ended the investigation in November so how much could I be involved

Starting point is 01:47:40 and like what they were doing was like when I got so I'll get to that point like how they they lie so I'm sitting there I go for the bail you know for bail or whatever obviously they didn't deny me so I'm sitting there so we're in county jail like three or four months

Starting point is 01:47:55 so I hired like two different lawyers to do bail reviews and stuff like that because I'm like you know Lord just wants you to go ahead and pay a bunch of money up front. So I'm like, I know how the process works. So I'm like, look, I'll just pay this one for a barrel view. This is for a barrel view. So when I went on the first barrel view, there was no, listen.

Starting point is 01:48:11 If this would have been to state with the state, I'd have walked right through it. It was nothing. So we get into for a bail review. Now, you got people all in. It's not like federal court. You got like a bunch of the public in the courtroom and all. So they got to put on a show while they're not giving somebody in a bail. Right.

Starting point is 01:48:29 It says, Your Honor, we think he's one of the biggest fentanyl dealers in Maryland. At first, I've never been charged with fentanyl. Right. And I've never seen fentanyl to this day. You know what I mean? I don't know what that shit is. And I wouldn't sell that shit anyway. So they deny me bailed.

Starting point is 01:48:48 I hire another lawyer. Finally, we get a judge that's assigned to our case that's going to be overseeing our case. This is going to be our judge. I get to have a bail review in front of her. She kind of gave him a judge. hell. She's like, what is this man locked up for? Well, you know, we believe he's this big time drug. You believe this. Right. You know, you know, where's your proof? Well, you know, and then they said, like, this could be a federal, you know, the fed, you know, the feds do want

Starting point is 01:49:16 some of these people. We're not sure who or whatever. She's like, look, the feds will know where to find them. I'm releasing. She said, she released me on home detention. So I was like, okay, cool. You know what I mean? I'm pretty much bigger. And, wow. the feds picked me up, you know. So I get home, I go to my lawyer. He gives, he gives me all the discs and stuff like that, the discovery that he's gotten so far. So me and my girlfriend, we're sitting there and we're going over the conversations. Now, they got thousands of conversations, but we're just worried about mine. So we look at this conversation. It was a pertinent conversation. That's what they call it. It's supposed to be me. It's a guy on there. He's a white guy.

Starting point is 01:50:01 But he talks like this. He's like, yeah, Doug, I'll be right there. My boo, you know what I'm saying, Doug? You know what I mean? Now, look, my girlfriend's like, you don't talk like that. Like, see, a lot of people get it screwed up. Because now we do now, South Baltimore, the guys from the city, the white guys from the city,

Starting point is 01:50:18 kind of do talk like that. But if you're actually from the city in Baltimore and you're around my age, I can't speak for these kids or whatever, but you're around my age. This is how the white guys talk. Right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:50:32 This is how we talk. Like when I first talked to Jeff or whatever, and I said, you sure are from Baltimore City? I was like, yeah, I'm positive. I'm from Baltimore City. You know what I mean? He's like, well, no, you just don't sound. I said, man, no, no, no. So that's the county guys.

Starting point is 01:50:45 There's a, you know, they want to be. You know what I mean? They're the, you know, they want to be something that they're not, whatever, you know, but that's just their accent. Right. So it was a guy that you talk like that. And my girlfriend's like, that's not even you. I was like, obviously it's not me.

Starting point is 01:50:59 So I'm like, I'm feeling very calm. confident, man. I'm feeling really confident, you know, because I would beat this. Next to you know, probably three weeks later, two weeks later or whatever, I'm on the box with the state. Here they come, like 8 o'clock in the morning. Now, instead of just coming to the door, you've already raided the house. There's nothing there. They didn't even raid the house in the state. They still got to make a big scene out. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Eric, we got you now. We got you now. This is how dumb they were. This is how dumb they were. So this cop, he wants to be, he wants to be a federal agent so bad. but I guess he just could never make the cut.

Starting point is 01:51:34 So he's still like, he's still a state cop or whatever, but he like deals with, you know, with the feds. He's like a liaison worker. So they handcuff me or whatever he's like, yeah, you're done now. He's now we got the evidence. This is federal, man. This ain't stateside. I said, you Jericho.

Starting point is 01:51:49 It's the same evidence. Get the guy out of here. Here's how dumb he was. When they get, when I got my discovery and, you know, to get no-knock warrants and stuff like that, they got to put people's records there. They didn't even know that I did 12 years with the feds. That's how much they didn't do about me.

Starting point is 01:52:06 They thought that I've never been with the feds before. They didn't even know nothing. You know, so I'm like, man, this guy's a real jerk off, you know. But anyway, so I get over there. Now, like I said, I had that box on my ankle. So I get over there that day to the federal courthouse or whatever. So all of a sudden, all of a sudden, now when they're arrested me, the box is going on. They didn't even tell the goddamn state that they were locking me up.

Starting point is 01:52:32 Now I got an escape charge. You know what I mean? For like running from the box. No, I'm locked up. The feds came locked me up. So they don't need to tell them. So a lawyer shows up. Like I'm, okay, I know this much.

Starting point is 01:52:47 Do not pay for a lawyer in the feds unless you're really going to go to trial or you're really going to cooperate. Right. There's no other point to pay for an attorney. Right. No point. You know what I mean? Because it's just cut and dry.

Starting point is 01:52:59 So all of a sudden, I'm sitting there, you know, how they appoint you an attorney or whatever. Yeah. I'm sitting there by myself or whatever. Next thing you know, this guy, Jose Rons in there, Jose Molina. And I had used him and I had my buddy use them on the street for DUIs and shit like that. So Jose shows up. So as soon as he comes in the room, through the screen, he's like, Eric.

Starting point is 01:53:23 I'm like, yeah, Jose. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, you might as well leave, bro. I said, I don't know if Stacy called you or whatever. I said, I'm not paying you to take this case. You know what I mean? He's like, no, they appointed him. to me. So I never knew he was on that panel.

Starting point is 01:53:34 Right. So we try to get out. We go for detention here or whatever. And I, you know, I'm probably not going to get out, but I figured this time maybe I could because I had a lot of positive things going on. So I had her there. I had a guy, one of my buddies, he owns a construction business, and I had a few other business

Starting point is 01:53:53 owners and stuff. I had people because I was doing I was doing programs. Now, you know, I was using some drug money to do this. But I was doing like shit. Like, I would do Bs or better, I would call it. And basically, like, a lot of times I would go to, like, parents who really didn't have money, like, a lot of single mothers and stuff. And if they had little kids in school and stuff, I would sit there, you know, if their kids, like, would, if they could average a B or better, you know, for whatever quarter and, you know, prove it, you know, show it, I give

Starting point is 01:54:20 $200 or let them get to whatever pair of tennis shoes they want. You know, so I was doing stuff like that. So, you know, I had people, I had a lot of people writing in, you know, like when I had my detention here. of stuff like for me. But they weren't trying to hear that shit. You know what I mean? They don't care about none of that. So they detained me, you know, and I sat there.

Starting point is 01:54:42 And now the thing is, it's like, when I looked at the charge papers, you see that. Now they break everything down to everybody, everybody's role in the conspiracy. My role was nothing. Matt, no mandatory minimum, no nothing. It was like, you know what I mean? And one thing about the feds. After 15 years you've been out of prison, your record drops off. Right.

Starting point is 01:55:06 They can't use to enhance you or anything like that. So the weird part of that is like my first federal sentence, I was a category five. You know what I mean? Which, you know, there's only six categories. Yeah, yeah. This one, this one, I was a category, I was a category three, which you should have been a category two because they gave me a point for a DUI that I actually got a probation before judgment. I completed it. But anyway, so I wasn't facing that much time, you know.

Starting point is 01:55:32 If I would have went to trial, if I went to trial and lost, the most they could have gave me, I think, was like 63 months. That's the most. If I go to trial and lose, you know, so it's nothing. Yeah, but you're facing going to prison for something you didn't do. You're on a conspiracy that you have nothing to do with. Exactly. Well, here's the point. So people do say that. People say to me, well, you know, if you didn't have nothing to do with it, why didn't you go to trial? I said, well, two reasons. First reason, they detained me. I'm going to sit there close to three years waiting to go to trial anyway. Right. You know, I'm going to

Starting point is 01:56:05 sit in a fucking scumbag jail. You know what I mean? Prison is better to jail. You know? Also, another thing, the drug amounts. Now, remember, I have co-defendants on this. I don't know who's going to go over there and talk to them people and start pumping up them drug amounts.

Starting point is 01:56:22 You know, because, listen, man, I was, I wound up pleaded guilty to 400 grams of coat, right? which is less than a half a kilo. Half a kilo. Stop it. Within a month's period of time, dude, I, trust me. It was more than that.

Starting point is 01:56:41 You know what I mean? But so I want to get this shit over. I want to get it rolling before any of that can happen. And then they start charging and then I get these mandatory minimums and all that kind of shit. Because I got no mandatory minimum or nothing. So that's why, like, when people ask me, like, well, why didn't you go to trial? And then another thing, I would have lost. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:59 You know what I mean? 42 months is better than 63 months. You know what I mean? All day long. So I wind up getting that. I wound up going and the thing is, you know, I played, look, I wanted to get this behind me so fast. Listen this and this. I played guilty and got sentenced on the same day.

Starting point is 01:57:19 And, you know, that's, that really don't happen. Right. But I, I requested that to happen because I just wanted to put it behind me. You know what I mean? Because it's just a horrible experience. Like, you know, I'm like, teach. Jesus, man. Why is this happening to me? I'm sitting there. I remember it hit me. I'm sitting there on the phone talking to my girl or something. And I look up and I see these same damn green walls at this damn Supermax. Well, I call it Supermax. It's a Chesapeake detention facility. Now it's a federal facility. But it used to be our old Supermax. So I called Supermax. So I'm sitting there. It's these same green walls. They haven't painted the walls in the last 20 years. You know what I mean? It's the same busted little window right there. I'm like, this again, I was a free man, totally free of. clear. So I was fucking depressed, man. I just wanted to get that shit over with. And that's when,

Starting point is 01:58:05 um, so I do all that, whatever. And, uh, you know, I didn't get convicted. Like, how I'm telling you, that's like the weakest drug charge ever. I shouldn't have already been federally indicted. But I think they took something personal. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I was going to beat it with the state. So they just like send this idiot along for a ride. You know what I mean? So I wound up, um, going over there. I got 42 months or whatever. So it's time to court. Now, the first time I went to court, federal court, and you know how you talk before you get sentenced? Yeah. I said a bunch of stuff like how I regret this, how regret that.

Starting point is 01:58:36 This time, man, I stood up. And I said, look, I said, I'm not going to apologize to this courtroom. I said, I'm going to apologize to the people who supported me, the people who are majorly disappointed in me right now. The people were standing by me. I said, I'm not going to apologize to this courtroom. I said, I shouldn't be in this courtroom right now. I said, this is a joke. You know, so the judge is sitting there.

Starting point is 01:58:57 You know, she's like, because she said, something like, this is what she said. She had a nerve to say. She said, she looked up like how I've been in prison before. She's like, and she's seen, now she's from Baltimore. You know what I mean? So she knows how lean it they are in Baltimore City. She's seen my first ever case as a younger guy, first ever conviction or whatever. She's seen I got that six years. And she's like, wow, you've never gotten a break. I was like, yeah, that's true. She's like, well, you're not going to get one today. You know what I mean? So the guidelines were 37 to 46 months, so she gave you 42 months or whatever, which my guidelines should have been under 50 grams of cocaine, truthfully, you know, but I just copped out to the 400 grams because I just wanted to get it over with, you know, before anybody could go pumping anything up on me.

Starting point is 01:59:42 And then I was right. That whole case became a whole, like I hear about it all now, like everyone's saying now this one did that one, this one did that one. So now I'm figuring I had been in the feds before, obviously. But it changes. I get sent to Allenwood Lowe. All right. So I'm like, damn, I'm going to a low. This is going to be sweet.

Starting point is 02:00:03 Now, I'm not the one in politickers or anything anyway. But I was just like, I'm definitely not on that. I'm doing three and a half years. I don't want none of this other shit. I don't want to get in trouble with none of this shit. So I get there. Now, when I get there, you know how they, like, when you first get there, they're, you know, interviewing you, you know what I mean, like, are any gangs, you know,

Starting point is 02:00:29 that type of shit. So this lady, she's interviewing me, right? So she's like, she asked me, she's like, what do you identify as? I was like, oh, nothing. You know what I mean? So she's like, no, what do you identify as? I said nothing. She's like, no, what do you identify as?

Starting point is 02:00:44 I said, I said, I know I look like in and all my tattoos. I said, trust me, I've never been in a gang in my life. She's like, no, what do you identify as? male or a female. I said, so I'm like, holy shit. Things have changed. So I'm like, I asked her, I was like, what's wrong with you? I'm a dude. You can't tell that? This is a man's prison or whatever.

Starting point is 02:01:04 She just gave me this me a look. That is what started to start a spiral. So I get there and I get on, you know, they put me on whatever unit or whatever. And it's so crazy. Like, they now have their own commissary. They got commissary just for like transgender people. yes you're allowed to buy sports bras but you're not allowed to buy white feeders right you know and what white feeder is for your audience is like you know tank top yeah you know what I mean we can't buy

Starting point is 02:01:35 that but they can buy sports so it was like really really messed up so this was out of the world like I've never seen nothing like this so I walk in the chat hall now they got a section in the chow hall where all the transgender sit and you know everybody gives them nicknames shit there's this old white man they called her marks the book for her they called it Yeah, and whatever they want to call. Whatever. I want to say nothing right away. They called the guy,

Starting point is 02:01:58 Martha Stewart. You know what I mean? They get Jennifer Lopez is the Spanish. They had a, they had like Tyler Swift. And they had all these names. They were, I wish,

Starting point is 02:02:10 I used to know like they were like five. I knew like five of them. They were whole, you know, who knew the names. They were hilarious. God, that was,

Starting point is 02:02:17 uh, um, one was something like, uh, Michael Minaj. Um, like, I mean,

Starting point is 02:02:22 they had a ton of. They were hilarious. too. Yes. It's crazy. And then they, so I get there. So this is like a, now I've seen that kind of stuff in the FCIs and all before, too. Like they, like they give them their hormone shots and all that stuff.

Starting point is 02:02:36 Yeah. But don't, don't you have like a real disability in need of Tylenol three. They won't get that to you, but you can go get a hormone shot and grow breasts. Yeah. You know. So anyway, well, good for that. So I get there. So this, this is just places just like, it's something I've never seen.

Starting point is 02:02:52 So now, like I told you, Matt. I sit down. I don't want nothing to do with all these politics or nothing. But like I said, you get the wannabes. These guys are in low security. Like, dude, you're not, you've never busted a grade, you know. Because listen, all these guys, like, you got these guys like the, on this, on social media, the West Watson's and all these guys.

Starting point is 02:03:10 They did all this shit, right? They did all this shit. But they kept them in these mediums and stuff like that. Let me explain something to you. And I'm not no badass. I'm not a tough guy. My first state, that state prison sentence that I got. I started a pre-release.

Starting point is 02:03:25 I wound up in a medium, okay? My federal sentence, I started an FCI. I wound up in a penitentiary. This last one at the low, I didn't last their 26 days. And look, I'm not even like that. I'm not paperwork. I got a knife from my ass.

Starting point is 02:03:43 I'm like, that's goofball stuff. So, anyway, it was like one of them type of guys, right? So I go and I sit down at the table and I eat. So it was like a Like salad or what you know Was on the tray or whatever So this guy asked me he's like Are you good man

Starting point is 02:04:00 I'm figuring he's offered me salad dressing Right I'm like that I say yeah yeah dude I'm cool text a lot He's like no I mean are you good I said excuse me He's like are you good Your paperwork I said Now I looked at him

Starting point is 02:04:13 And he's got a lanyer around his neck Like a thing around his neck that says Ardao Right I said excuse me I said whoa whoa whoa So check this out I said, what do you think I am?

Starting point is 02:04:24 I said, first off, you got a, you're in the ADAP program. Okay, now I'm not saying people in ARDAF or whatever, because I had code defendant's daughter off, but it is, you have to snitch in that program. Yeah. You definitely have to tell them people on it. You have to hold them accountable. Yes, which, which I just want to make a point on this. Okay, so you're telling me that they can do that for the year often is fine.

Starting point is 02:04:47 But if me and you rob the bank out here, I said, Matt, tell them me, I'll tell on you, we won't get 20 years, we'll get 10. We'd be rats. Right. You know what I mean? Come on, man. It's all hypocrisy. So, like, I told him, I said, I said, you're a hard debt. I said, check this out. I said, I've been in pedantia. I've been in. I said, I ain't for all this shit. I said, now what's up? I said, yeah, I'm good. I said, are you good? He's like, oh, no, no, dude, dude. So then I told him, I guess. I said, now, look. I said, I'll beat the shit out of you. I said, I'll walk you up if we fight.

Starting point is 02:05:16 I said, I know that for our fact. I said, now let me say something. I said, what have, what have you said, I'm not good. And I told you, no, I testified against 100 people. I was, what would you have done? Uh, uh, oh, no. He'd have just run around and pulled everybody. That's all he would have told everybody. He's no good. He's no good. Right. You know what I mean? But like, that's what, so I get it. So this is why I wouldn't land stairs. So there was something. Look, this is how they did me. They didn't be dirty,

Starting point is 02:05:43 man. The staff hated me there. So, um, I'm on a phone with my girlfriend. now I'm talking to her and I called the counselor the counselor who's the counselor wants to do something I said yeah the counselor's stupid as bitch you know what I mean this conversation between me and my girl they call me lieutenant's office three days later

Starting point is 02:06:05 they give me a shot for it some like insolence towards staff I didn't say nothing to her you know what I mean so we have the UDC hearing so when we have the UDC hearing she's in there some other cops or I guess they didn't like that. I acted either. They took my phone for a year for that. Took my phone privilege for a year. So now I do know this because I have been in trouble.

Starting point is 02:06:28 You know what I mean? In the joint, you know? When they take your phone privilege, they actually, the sanction don't kick in until 12 o'clock that night. So obviously the first thing I do, Matt, is I go on and call my girlfriend. And she's upset, man. I'm like, I like, babe, I said, she was coming every week's bid on. She was good. So I'm like, I'm like, um, I'm like, babe, listen. I lost my phone for a year. You know what I mean? You know, I'll just have to email you, whatever. So she's all upset and everything.

Starting point is 02:06:54 So, okay, two days later. Another shot. I get called loop. Yes. You knew you locked your phone. They take my email for a year. Oh. Now you're cutting off everything.

Starting point is 02:07:07 You're trying to cut me off now. The only thing I got left is my visits. So my girl will come up and visit me. Like every week, every other week. You know, Alan Woods probably three hours away. So she told me when she comes up, this dude, this, this, this COSer, he looked like Homer Fudd, you know what I mean? He's like, why, I don't know why you're visiting that asshole.

Starting point is 02:07:31 You know what I mean? Like, dude, be a little bit of a little bit of professional, you know what I mean? This is people, this is my people you're talking to. So she tells me about it. Now, he would be in a business room and, okay, they would harass me so bad that when we're sitting there, we go ahead. I had, you know, when she comes to a business, or whether she's in front of me, whatever.

Starting point is 02:07:51 I was just holding her hand. Now, there was a gay couple right here. They're all. They're kissing and everything. They run right over. You can't touch nobody. They pulled me in the room. And it's the Elmer Fudd guy.

Starting point is 02:08:07 He pulls me in the room and says, I'll take your own business. I said, what? He's like, and I heard what you said about me. You said, I'm Elmer Fudd. You think you're so smart. Cool. So they're listening to my conversations and shit. So, okay, so now they do the email thing to take that.

Starting point is 02:08:24 Now, you have three men in a cube at the lows. Okay, so I'm in there with this old Russian guy Z and this Spanish guy. This dude, he just moves in on his own. You know what I mean? So now I lose my bottom bump. You got to get on top bunk all shit. So I'm already pissed about that. So this guy was some type of weirdo, dude.

Starting point is 02:08:44 He's sitting there. He's harassing somebody on the street. So they call the prison. And they're like, you know, this guy's harassing me. So they write him up, give him a shot. So now he comes to the cube. He's like, we're all in there talking. He's like, hey, yeah, man, they gave me a shot or whatever.

Starting point is 02:09:03 Like, it's cool or something. So the one dude makes a joke. Like, yeah, it's probably because you're in here with E. You know they hate E. So I seem to look on his face. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, don't make no jokes like that. I said, please don't make no jokes like that.

Starting point is 02:09:16 I said, look, what he's the staff. hates me, obviously, but somebody on the street hates him. You know what I mean? This is a total opposite. I said, I got nothing to do with this. It's not because he's to living with me or whatever. So eventually the guy goes for his shot. Okay, he goes UDC.

Starting point is 02:09:31 That's what you go to for them like 300 series shots. You don't go to DHO. So when he goes there, I guess they took his phone privilege for like six months or something. Or like, not even that, three months probably. I don't know what it was. But it wound up being nothing. He starts fucking freaking out. And he

Starting point is 02:09:47 starts yelling to the counselor in Spanish. He runs in with the counselor. All of a sudden, he leaves the counselor's office. Now he's got no sanctions or nothing like that. Well, the next day, I'm at work at Rick. And I was selling drugs in there a little bit. I was, you know what I mean? I'll get my hands.

Starting point is 02:10:08 It's not even really drugs anymore. It's like some boxing issue. That's not even really drugs, you know? Right. You know, so I'm selling that or whatever. So he told him me, I guess, for that. So I'm at rec, and that was my job. I was just sitting there.

Starting point is 02:10:21 They called me in the office. And you would think, like, this is, like, the biggest bust in the world. You're like, don't move. I'm like, what the fuck? So they strip me naked in the rec office. Then they take me to lieutenant's office. And I wasn't around at that time. I wasn't around.

Starting point is 02:10:36 I was doing a little bit of drugs and shit like that, too, myself. So I was dirty. So they stripped me naked or whatever, and they hand me a cup. So I burnt the cup up. You know what I mean? So I got it. It comes up dirty. Right.

Starting point is 02:10:49 Now, but they have to send it out. They have to send the cup out because them tests, like, I've actually not been doing drugs and talking tip to piss tests and it came up dirty and I was actually clean, you know, so they can't lock you up because some tests are our fault. So they got to wait for the lab to test it. So that's what they do. If you come up dirty, they send it to the lab and they do the actual test, which I know that it's going to come back 30, you know.

Starting point is 02:11:12 But you got all these people, you know, like, oh, so I got like eight days. So I don't know who told them at this point. so it comes out you know how prison is you know somebody went right into the councilor's office after he had left out and my face was on the kids

Starting point is 02:11:25 computer screen and shit like that so the situation was was I think I would like I probably would like 50 bucks to like storming and shit like that you know what I mean like I go to storeman and get sodas honeybunch shit like that shit

Starting point is 02:11:36 I didn't buy off comments over there so I don't want to sit here and do nothing and get locked up and make it look like I'm ducking out you know what I mean some shit like that because you know how these people are in prison oh you fucking did that because he owes 50 bucks.

Starting point is 02:11:47 Come on, dude. I wipe my ass with him. So at the end of the day, I'm sitting here, so I'm telling somebody, when I hear about this, I was like, yeah, I said, I'm going to kick his ass. You know what I mean? He's getting an ass kicking. Wasn't going to stab.

Starting point is 02:12:00 I'm not going to stab people on that type of shit, but I was pissed off. I already know, and I don't give, if I want to get thrown out of here anyway, you know what I mean? So now, I'm coming out of the cubicle one day, and I guess it got to him within this time frame beforehand.

Starting point is 02:12:13 So I got my code on. You know how you got them big dumb coats or whatever This is wintertime. So I got that on. Who fights in that, really? Like, who's going to be a put on a coat to fight? So as I'm walking off the court, you know, the hallway or whatever, getting ready for lunch, he's standing out there with like five people.

Starting point is 02:12:27 So he's like, he says, hey, what are you running around calling me? I said, Mom, I called you a bitch and I called you a wreck. You told me, you know what I mean? So he's like, well, what do you want to? Next thing I have three pieces. Big, big, bang. He's falling everywhere. This guy can't fight.

Starting point is 02:12:43 Hello, but dude, I'm old now. Like, my younger days, man, I would have, you know, stomp them and all that shit. But I'm just like, I looked at the guy. I'm just like, man. He's like, please. I was like, look, I ain't done. You know what I? Just get up.

Starting point is 02:12:57 Get out of here. You know what I mean? So I'm sitting in a chair. So I'm sitting in a cell. You know how it is in prison? How every rumor gets around and all that type of shit. Right. When my buddy comes up to me and he's like, I'm sitting there eating my chicken sandwich.

Starting point is 02:13:11 He's like, yeah, eat. They were fighting on our block or whatever. I said, oh, really? He's like, yeah. So then I'm like, okay, cool. So he leaves, he comes back, hey, they said it was you. I said, it was.

Starting point is 02:13:24 He said, why did you so calm? I said, dude, it wasn't even really the fight. It's no big deal. It's like, you know, who cares? I said, I'm going to get locked up for it, you know? So I go now, I go to work, which was rat. Okay, so I got to go to work. Because in a low, if you don't even show up for work,

Starting point is 02:13:39 that'll give me a shot. Right. Lock you up. So I got to go. I leave Chow, I go to wreck. So I'm sitting in a wreck. Boss, report to the lieutenant's office. So we know what this is.

Starting point is 02:13:50 So I'm telling everybody, okay, guys, you know, everyone's throwing me out jail. I'll see you guys later, nice meeting or whatever. Make sure my shit gets packed or whatever, which they didn't. Somebody stole my timbulums. But good guys. These are good dudes. Good dudes. So anyway, so I walk to lieutenant's office now as I'm walking up there.

Starting point is 02:14:09 Guess what I see sitting there? I see my other cell. telling you the old Russian guy Z. I'm like, Zee, what's up? He's like, I don't know. He's like, they said, man, you were fighting. I said, what? So I'm like, shit, we're going to get around this one, because that guy didn't want to get locked up.

Starting point is 02:14:24 Even the guy I beat up. He's scared to go to the shoe and all that shit. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to get out on this one. So I walk in there, I'm like, look, me and this guy are friends. We weren't fighting. I don't know. These guys are lying to you or whatever. So, Lieutenant, you know, they take off his shirt, check your hands. But not nothing. He's like, yeah, this is some bullshit.

Starting point is 02:14:40 He's like, you guys going back. It's over with. Now, I don't go back to the unit, obviously, because I got to go to work. So I go back to Wreck. So 4 o'clock, I come back to the unit. I walk in the unit. Everybody, all these guys look at me, they turn the white guys, the good white guys. The tough ones, the good ones.

Starting point is 02:15:02 They all look at me like they've seen a ghost. What's up, man? It's a mountain, man. You know, why? You know, inside, go in there. The guy's still in my cube. You know, the guys that I beat up stole my Q. These are there with a hat on shit.

Starting point is 02:15:15 So I'm just like, look, man, it's all right. He's like, I see this over with me and shit, man, whatever. Who cares, you know? Nah. So after the account, you're allowed to come out and use the computers and shit like that. These good guys, solid stand-up guys, it was 14 of them. They all went to the computer and sent messages to SIS. They were calling SIS dummies and shit.

Starting point is 02:15:37 They're like, you dummies need to check the camera and stuff. You did it right. You know what I mean? So they checked the camera. or whatever and then they wound up locking him up they called him first then they called me and locked me up so then i got um so they sent me out there now they transfer me to the medium now COVID hits so this is when COVID hits while I'm in the shoe so I was probably in the shoe probably like 60 some some days or something before I get to the medium now when I get to the medium it's a bunch of fake

Starting point is 02:16:07 there too this is where I told you like when you said about the fake paperwork yeah they had this guy there they call his little white guy named the monopoly man he looked like the monopoly man right he's supposed to be doing law work and all that stuff he's changing my motherfucker's pay for it you know what I mean because he had a lot of people like he was on a computer for test file on people whatever but nobody doing nothing to him all this type of shit because these people are backing them up because he's doing their law work now you're like he's he's changed their pay for it right you know what I mean so that's what he was known for and shit like that so it was just a there's a lot of fake shit over there like some dude came out to me I was in a meet I was in a meet

Starting point is 02:16:42 medium's like you want to you know you know I'm the guy who checks paperwork and all around here I said let me ask you questions where are you from Utah uh Utah is I was like what are you in here for him and his brother robbed a 7-11 and he's in the feds because of the gun I like dude listen you nah you can't you're a crackhead you're not saying you're not chicken you're fucking you anyway this same guy who's doing all this kind of stuff he winds up getting caught having sex with another guy and they get caught they get caught they get caught And they locked them up. So like I said, it was during COVID. So the place is basically locked down. You come out like an hour a day or whatever. Once again, I used my brains and got around some shit because now the phones are hell. It's going to be hell. And I lost my phone.

Starting point is 02:17:28 I lost my phone. But, you know, there's always a guy that you could pay. Yeah. Yeah. So during COVID, they put you up to 500 minutes a month. And the phone calls were free. Okay. The phone calls were free.

Starting point is 02:17:40 Okay. So next thing you know, so imagine that you got all these scumbag. I should call them. You got all these guys that are locked up yours. They're coming out with their little brown phone books that are all tattered and shit. They're calling because they don't cost money now. So they get to bothering people, you know what I mean, the done cut them off and shit. You know, so that, you know, free phone calls.

Starting point is 02:18:00 They think it's so great. I'm like, this sucks. So you got one. I believe it was like four phones, if I'm not mistaken. So some genius. shot caller from whatever he is, blood, strips, I don't know what he is, whatever. He makes up how the rule is going to be. Well, this phone right here is going to be everybody from PA and all this kind of stuff.

Starting point is 02:18:23 This phone right here is going to be New York. Oh, yeah, yeah. This phone right here is going to be like the D.C. and, you know, Mid-Atlantic areas like D.C., Baltimore, Virginia and some other shit, you know what I mean? And this phone right here is for the whites in the Spanish. right so I'm like okay um I go to get a I'm like I know what phone I'm using because a lot of the white guys like people don't understand this look look one thing about it is if you've been in prison a lot of white guys their families cut them off their people cut them all because a lot of them and here's the truth of why because a lot of them were pieces of shit you know what I mean it's not like this like that's how I look at some of these these uh a lot of guys like who are on here talking shit and all that kind of stuff like these white guys never did shit in the street. They just, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:19:15 They did some goofy shit. You know what I mean? They were on drugs and they robbed their mothers. They robbed people. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not talking about you. You mean, fraud. I mean, I actually physically did this stuff shit.

Starting point is 02:19:25 So like, they're nobodies. So what do you think? People are going to send them anything in jail or do anything for them? No. And look, you know, I'm stating the truth because you've seen it. Like, out of every other race, you know what I mean? The white guys are the ones who really actually get cut off. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:19:38 Like, they don't have nobody doing shit. So they don't use the phone as much. You know, and that you didn't have that many Spanish guys. So I'm like, shit. So I go to hop on a phone. Dude, dude. I forget where he's from. Where he goes to go, you're from, you're the DC DMV.

Starting point is 02:19:55 I said, man. So I'm white. You know what I mean? I'm using this white phone. Dude, so it was only like four of us to use that phone. You know what I mean? And you're only out an hour a day or I think it's 45 minutes in daytime, 45 minutes of night.

Starting point is 02:20:09 So it's for them people. I've seen them people. fighting over and all that shit. So then you get, you know, when you get to these places, you get like these raw, raw guys, you know, scumbags. So I got a herniated disc in my neck. So I actually signed up to go to Pill Line, which I never did before. And I did that so I could get out like an extra half an hour, you know, walk down the Pill

Starting point is 02:20:34 Line all because it's locked down. So I'm going down to Pill Line one day. And so I see all the, and you know, these stand-up white guys, always got the compound jobs. They're right up under the police, if you ever notice. They get to do whatever the fuck they want. So there was a group of them, and they would like hang out all day around the pill line, all that shit. So I'm walking down there, and I'm running this kid Brock that I knew from Scoot Hill. I knew this. He's from Boston. I knew him when he was a kid. You know what I mean? He came in. So he knew me. C.C.s and he's like, oh, what's up?

Starting point is 02:21:04 Oh, what's up? What's up, man? So we, you know, damn, what's up and all that shit? So as I'm going back through the gate, his little troll looking to be like, limping around. shit, he's like, is he good? I'm like, I hear it. I can't get back through the gate because, you know, where he walked through, like, where the COs are in the middle of compound. So I can't get back through. So I hear Brock like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good.

Starting point is 02:21:30 Are you sure? So like, okay, I'm a show these, right? So the next day, I come walking out to the pill line by myself. So I walk right up for him. You know what I mean? Now he's got his back there. smack him. Bam, I hit him in his back. He turns around. I'm like, what's up? He's like, you know, you tell me what's up. I said, you're ass around if I'm good or something. He's like, now he's got a

Starting point is 02:21:52 no excuse. No, there's somebody who came on his end. I said, look, I said, here's how we're going to do this, man. I said, check this out. I said, let me issue this first. Where are you from? New Mexico. I asked the other guy. Where are you from? Texas, the other guy from, some off-the-wall points. I said, listen. I said, this is my backyard. I said, now, what are you guys doing here? Oh, disciplinary.

Starting point is 02:22:21 They're lying. They're lying. They're hiding. Right. You know what I mean? They don't do that. The only person can have to give you this for their transfer is at the H.O. I think I would know, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:22:30 Right. Because I've never even got one. Like, even when I got sent to Big Sandy, that's because they raised my points. That wasn't disciplinary. They just, and they send you in your region. There's only reasons they're going to send you out of your region. Okay, they're going to send you out of your region. If you've got too much influence in your region, they will do that.

Starting point is 02:22:47 But then they're going to send you to a penitentiary, not an FCI. Or if you're hiding from a bunch of people in your area, you know, because the BOP is small. So I know what type of time them guys are on. So I was just like, man, and I was already pissed off. I was like, man, I felt like just, you know. But then they're all, you know, running around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, biggie and all that's. I don't mess with them, man.

Starting point is 02:23:09 But it's just like a lot of them, and you know what? A lot of them, they're just like, just be yourself. You know what I mean? You don't have to do that shit. You know, because you run into the wrong person. But then as I'm there, that was just a weird place, man. It was a really weird place. But the feds, like I said, it's changed, you know.

Starting point is 02:23:29 Since I got out, now since I got out of that, that was I got out New Year's Eve of 22. That's when I was released, okay, from that little three and a half years. Okay. So since that, you know, I've been doing my real estate stuff and all, but now back in August, here's what happens. Of course. I swear to God, it's always the people you try to help. So I do a lot of, I'll contract out jobs, you know. I got a buddy who's got an HIV license and stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:23:58 And, you know, he's a good friend. And so I do a lot of, like, I sometimes go do the work. But I go down, like, say a job's 50 grand or something like that, you know what I mean? this $50,000 to remodel or whatever, you know, I'll put everything together, you know, I'll call up a concrete guy, I'll do all that kind of stuff. I'm pretty good at selling the jobs myself, you know what I mean? I'll show up and I'll, you know, if somebody's just getting their house painted or whatever, I'll walk, I'll walk back out on, you know, say they got like a little deck, brick deck or whatever,

Starting point is 02:24:29 you know, like patio type thing. I'll say, oh, yeah, man, you know, you might want to get that done. You see the crack in there and, you know, stuff like that. I mean, I've been doing that like. Upsell them? Yes, yes, I'm selling. I learned that for carpet cleaning, like with Scotch Guard and stuff. Right.

Starting point is 02:24:42 Like, you know, Scotts Guard, come on. I've put water in that thing before, you know what I mean? Because I didn't have Scotchard. But I was, actually, I was one of the first people who did the air duct shit. The cleaning an air ducts? Right. I did it down there when I was on the run down air for this place called a Merrick Clean, man. Dude, I didn't know nothing.

Starting point is 02:25:02 I fell through somebody's roof. I mean, through their ceiling and fell through their dining room table, right? because look, we're supposed to be, now I don't know how it is now, but back then, our truck said Natka certified National Air Duck Association, Nattas or some shit like that. I'm not certified. I'm actually on the run. So I start working. Now, I'm doing good, upselling the jobs and stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:25:28 Here's what happens. So we do, we also do dryer vents, you know, clean the dryer vents. Now, you usually go on the roof and push the things. down and all that kind of stuff. I at least know how to do that. Well, I'll go to this home down and probably around like Coconut Road or something like that, nice home. So they wanted their air ducts done and they also wanted the dryer vent. I think I'm so stupid. I probably sold them on the dryer vent. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Charged my hundred bucks. I just climb up there and push them. So they go for it. So I'm like, okay, let me get my

Starting point is 02:26:00 ladder and stuff. I'm going to go up to do the dryer vent. They're like, no, no, no, no. You go right here through the attic or whatever, right? Now, me being from, I thought an attic was this, because I'm from Baltimore City and growing up, I didn't even really understand, like, you know, every attic I've been in, it's just been like a hard floor, you know what I mean, where you can

Starting point is 02:26:18 walk across the whole thing. Right. I'm figuring the same thing. So, they're like, no, here's the access to it. They pull it down. I go up the ladder, and it was right there in their kitchen, right? First fucking step, I tell, boom. I come crashing through her fucking, I come crashing through the drywall the drywall

Starting point is 02:26:35 yes so I fall down they're like are you okay I'm like I'm all this around I'm like yeah so I'm like I don't know what the fuck to say they're like did you miss the beam I'm like yes I missed the beam I didn't

Starting point is 02:26:47 you know what I didn't know you had to walk on these beams and shit I just thought I felt right through that I remember I go into place man I hate to say this shit but like I'd go in there and I'd be like um it might be like an old oldest lady or something

Starting point is 02:27:02 and listen I just I just want to say I've changed. You know what I mean? Like, I've never heard goodbye. I'm like, I just want to say I've done shit like this, right? So it's only like, you know,

Starting point is 02:27:10 the coupon, I'll say like 29 bucks to clean 10 air ducts. I'm like, who the fuck wants to do that? So I went in and, I would go in and I go in the air duct. And you know how like, if you reach back a little back a bit,

Starting point is 02:27:23 it's like that little insulation that'll get on you in. It's like real itchy shit or the yellow shit. I'd take a piece of that off. So then I walk up. And I'd be like, man, and I can tell. You know, she's old and fat and stuff.

Starting point is 02:27:35 Have you been having problems breathing? She'd be like, yes. That's why I throw it at her. This is all through your vents and all. She's like, oh, my God, what can I do? Well, I'll do a $30 a bent. I can seal that off. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:27:50 You won't have these problems no more. You know, I've done shit like that. I remember one time, dude, I was called a household fire because we would advertise to clean your blower, your central air conditioner, to blow or whatever. I'm not, I'm not like a mechanical guy,

Starting point is 02:28:06 you know what I mean? So I had got away with every time somebody had gotten that, I would just, they wouldn't watch me and shit. So I'll fucking just go take like a tooth brush, make sure the powers turn it off or whatever. And I'm just reaching there cleaning, you know. Yeah, I did it.

Starting point is 02:28:18 You know what I mean? Like you'll see on like inside addition, like that type of shit. So one time I get this, I get this chick, right? So I go down there and, um, she wants me to actually do this. She's watching me.

Starting point is 02:28:31 So I have. have to take this whole blower out, right? I was so proud of myself, man, because I actually got it out pretty easy and all. So I'll go ahead and I open it up. You know what I mean? I'm not even having no problems. I cleaned the hell out of this motherfucker right front. Yeah, yeah, that's an awesome job or whatever.

Starting point is 02:28:46 I'll go ahead and I'll put it back in. I guess I put the red wire where the blue wire is supposed to be or something like that. I said, all right, all right, all right, man, go ahead. Crank it up. You need that power, that motherfucker. Boom. Like, you know what I mean? Fucking fire everywhere and shit.

Starting point is 02:29:00 Dude, look, I had a I, look, I was in Boca, Boca Raton. I was working for Steamy Stiemer of Boca Raton. So my manager was, he was just a regular dude too. This one manager, he was cool. Like, none of us are sure if I knew none of that shit. So we get this lady, right? This Jewish lady, rich lady.

Starting point is 02:29:23 So she calls and she wants to get an area rug cleaned. Okay? So area rug in the sofa. So that's my first job of the day. So me, I'm the crew chief. So this guy, Gary, he's older than me. He's my helper. So we get all high.

Starting point is 02:29:39 We smoke some weed and shit. So, you know what I mean? So we're, you know, we're all fucking stone. So I get to this house. So you go up to this house, big, beautiful house. So I ring the doorbell. I hear the lady. Come on in.

Starting point is 02:29:52 So I walk through the house. Now, I'm fucking walk in. I'm just trying to hear her voice where she's at. So I finally get to this room. It's her. She's laying there on a sofa. Now, when she's laying there on the sofa, I was like, yes, man. I said, you want a sofa clean today in an area row?

Starting point is 02:30:11 So she's like, yeah. I said, okay, um, what's sofa? You know what I mean? She's like this one. So she's on a sofa. So I'm like, well, you're going to have to, you know, get off the sofa or whatever. So she's like, before that, that's the area. rug. I want you to tell me what kind of rug that is. So I look down. I like, Gary, tell you what kind of rug it is?

Starting point is 02:30:39 He looks at me. He's like, dude, you're the crew chief. So I look and I'm like, um, it's brown. You know, it's a brown area rug. It's very nice. I read out. Yes, it's a very nice area rug. What kind of rug is it? I'm like, uh, you know, she's like, get the hell out. Get the hell out. So she throws us out. So now my manager, base of 55. I guess that was my chart number, whatever, I think, at the time. Give me a call on a private line. I'm like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 02:31:11 So it's Dave. So he's like, what thought just happened at this house and all this kind of? He's giving me the third degree. I said, you know what? And he's just like, guy, I could get him. I said, I said, you know what, Dave? I said, all this. I said, I'm going to do this.

Starting point is 02:31:24 I'm going to come get you. I said, we're going to come out here. I said, I'm going to give you $1,000 if you can tell me or her what kind of rug that is since you're so smart he's like this just go to your next job error you know what I mean because he didn't know either you know I did um I got this

Starting point is 02:31:41 one time this kid bradded me out because it was a Saturday man it was a Saturday so you know you want to I'm in South Florida you want to get off early you know what I mean so it's you know you take a light day on that so I go to this house and it's like it was a nice job dude it was like it was like four

Starting point is 02:31:59 bedrooms four bedrooms four rooms I did, you know, living room, dining room. So it was probably like a like a 400, $500 job or whatever, you know, which I'm getting at the time I'm getting like 16% of that. And this is in 1996, 1990. So there's good money, you know. So I want to upsell it. So I do everything. So we did a good job. I always do a good job. So the lady was cool. She's like, she wants everything scotch guard. Now, Scotch guard is 80% of the cleaning price. And all you got to do, spray some shit on there. You know? So I'm like, awesome. I sold on a little more Skies Guard. Now, this is, we're, we're closing on almost a $1,000 job. That's pretty good for fucking two hours. You know what I mean? So get the shit done and all. So I send the kid out to the thing. I was like, oh, go ahead. Go get the Scotch Guard and shit. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:32:48 Now, he's my helper. He didn't fill up the Scotch Guard that day. So we didn't have new Scotts Guard. So he comes in. He's like, Eric, we got to go back to the office and get Scotch Guard, you know, because I forgot to fill up the Scotts Guard. So I'm like, okay, am I going to drive back to this office? 45 minutes. That's another hour and a half thing. Got her 45. So I said, I guess I said, I said, here's what I want you to do. He said, what? I said, you see that hose?

Starting point is 02:33:12 It's like, yeah. I said, take that hose, go turn it on and fill the Scotts Guard thing up with water. And then go spray water everywhere. So he did it. You know what I mean? Like, so next thing you know, he went back to the office, Bradd me out. So that next week, Dave calls me in the office. And he was right fire me.

Starting point is 02:33:30 He's like, Eric, you did this with the Scotch Guard, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, this and that, this and that. So I got out of that one on this. I said, Dave, you know what that was? I said, what day was? He's like, it was fucking Saturday. I said, exactly. I said, now imagine, Dave, by that. You were working on Saturday.

Starting point is 02:33:44 You were the manager. Now, would you rather have me spray that water? You know what I mean? Which ain't going to make no difference anyway. I said, or would you rather me have to come all the way back here, get the scotch guard, go back there, spray it, then come back here, and then you lock everything up. Just get the guy of my office. Don't trust nobody.

Starting point is 02:34:03 You know what I mean? So it's always, I've been involved with all that kind of shit. But like, everything's an off sale. Everything's a con. You know what I mean? Right. But like, that's a lot of stuff like, but like since I've been out, I'll tell you what happened.

Starting point is 02:34:17 So as we're talking about working. So I've actually, so I'm doing a lot of remodel and stuff and I'm middlemaning a lot of it. You know, a lot of work and stuff. So a lot of my people, that's a cat. business really. A lot of my workers and stuff, I'll pay them in cash. And a lot of times, these people got to feed their family. So truthfully, like, we'll get paid

Starting point is 02:34:34 a third. Like, somebody's going to get their place for money and you pay a third, then a third, then a third. Then, you know, you pay everybody and all that kind of stuff. Well, you know, I always try to pay them all the people, you know, if they need it or whatever. So, you know, I've been known to have a lot of cash on me. Let's just say it that

Starting point is 02:34:51 way. So this is back in it happened June 30th. I'm helping this person out. I used to date this girl, right? And I'm helping her out. And listen, this is how much I'm helping her out. She's down on nothing.

Starting point is 02:35:05 She's losing her house. Her car's impounded. Her BGE's cut off. And her hot water heater blows up. She has no hot water heater. I get her hot water heater, pay $1,000. Get somebody to install it. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:35:17 That same day it blew up. Her BGE goes out. I pay $1,000 for that. Her car was impounded. She couldn't get the money to get it out. Pay a thousand dollars for that. And I give her like $700 for a kid's birthday. Now, I told you, I used to date her back in the day when she was hot.

Starting point is 02:35:33 You know what I mean? And she's up there in age and stuff. I guess she ain't hot no more, you know? So I'm talking, I'll mess with some other chicks and stuff like that. But I guess she just, you know, she feels a certain type of way. And she got mad because, you know, she had a nerve to ask me after I do all this? She says, hey, Eric, can you give me like $900 for Botox? I said, Botox.

Starting point is 02:35:55 I said, you're lucky. you got water. You know what I mean? I said, you need to wake up, you know. So anyway, I had a bunch of cash that I was actually paying because we did, we did these two big jobs, you know, we did a $50,000 job and I think like a $40,000 job and then plus all the other little job stuff. There's a lot of cash accumulated. So I show up at her house and I go upstairs because I was in that neighborhood and I go upstairs and I was doing something. I was relaxing before I went out or something. And I put the money in her basement. And, you know, it was a decent amount of money. You know, it's like 60. So this crazy chick, she, I guess, goes down there, steals, I guess she's on drugs or whatever.

Starting point is 02:36:44 She steals the money. She steals the money. Goes and puts it in a storage. And now she left her kid there with me and everything. Like, you know, but I didn't do not. I'm just like, I come down, sir, it wasn't in 10 minutes. I see, I'm getting the money. This ain't even my money. I got to pay this out to people and everything. So, this is all from jobs, you know what I mean? It's been accumulated.

Starting point is 02:37:07 A lot of this money's got to go in the bank and shit like that too. So I'm like, I know what she did. So I wait for her. She comes back. I'm like, look, I said, give me that money back. You know what I mean? So she's all spaced out and whatever. I don't know what you're talking about.

Starting point is 02:37:24 She blames her other son. She's like, Greg Price stole it on Dominic's birthday. I said, Domit's birthday was on 28. I said, Greg and them haven't been here. I said, I just put this money in here today. I said, and you just didn't know by you. You stole the money. Just go get it.

Starting point is 02:37:37 I said, I got to take care of all this shit. So she's sitting there. She's like, yeah, dad. So I was like, okay, maybe when she comes down off whatever, binge she's on, you know what I mean? I get the money back. So like two, three days or whatever, go to fuck by. and she's sitting here.

Starting point is 02:37:53 She's like, she still won't come up off the money. So now, like, I put a track around a car and everything, you know what I mean? Because I'm not letting her get away with my money. So just so happened, I had a buddy coming from out of town, and he rents this hotel room. And it's called The Comfort Inn. It's like a CD hotel. It's some bullshit. So he don't like it or whatever there.

Starting point is 02:38:13 So he paid for like two weeks or whatever. So he leaves. So I was like, he let me have that hotel room. or whatever. So I was with another chick. Just so happens, I swear I had nothing to do with the tracker or nothing. This girl, this stole my money, I guess she's trying to not be at her house or whatever. She comes to this same hotel and checks in. Checks in the same hotel I'm just at with another girl, right? Just the luck of it. I come down in the lobby. I see her with a tanning bag. Dang. I see her with a tanning bag all bulged out on. I know what that, I know what looks in that

Starting point is 02:38:47 tanning bag on her shoulder. That's my dough. You know what I mean? So I see her with a tanning bag. I We're in the lobby. I snatch it. Boom. So I snatch it. I'm trying to get out of there. So as I'm trying to get out of there, you know, I'm not beating nobody up or nothing. I got whatever much of my money I got back. I'm trying to leap. So as I'm trying to get out there, I got my truck up on the parked over here. The girl, I'm like she's got her car over here. So I don't even know nothing about the girl. You know, they ripped my shirt off. Did one shit to try to get me? She's ripped my shirt off. I'll just shake off that. So I'm headed up the wall. Now, I don't even see. I'm not paying attention what's going on behind me.

Starting point is 02:39:19 Now, the girl that I'm with, she's like five foot two, probably 115 pounds. You know what I mean? She's a breast cancer survivor her headache. I turn around. They're kicking her ass. Her and her son are beating hell out of this girl. So obviously, I got to turn back around. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:39:33 So I turn around. I think I might have just kicked her real quick. I just kicked her off the girl. And then I got a bag. It's 50-sum grand. You know what I mean? I got a bag. So I just hit the kid in his mouth.

Starting point is 02:39:45 You know what I mean? So he fell back. Now, he's a boxer. He's one of them kids. He's like 17 or whatever, but he's one of them kids that, like, you know, they got them on social media knocking kids out of school, beats up the principal. He's one of them. So anyway, so now I get back to where I'm going. I count the money.

Starting point is 02:40:02 It's about seven grand light. It's okay. Let's just call it at a loss. Now, Lord, you can come over here right now. Punch me in the mouth for $7,000. I'll let's do that all day long. You know what I mean? You know, keep it for what it is.

Starting point is 02:40:15 This crazy person gets the police of all. The police show up, I was because I happened in the lobby of a hotel. So they get the police involved. So the first thing the police do, and this is the truth, the police don't need to do their due diligence. She sits here and tells the police that I robbed her for $50,000 cash at the comfort in. Now, the police don't even say, where'd you get the money or nothing like that? She don't got a job. She ain't worked in years.

Starting point is 02:40:43 Her car just got repo. Her name, she ain't paid her mortgage in years. So you're telling me you got $50,000. And if you do got 50 grand, this isn't the Foxwood Casinos, this isn't the MGM, this isn't Vegas, this is the comfort name. Who the hell has 50 grand with the comfort end? Right. So anyways, but the cops don't care. So they put a warrant out on me.

Starting point is 02:41:02 So I'm like, all right. So I call a lawyer, whatever he finds out there's a warrant out on me for robbery of my own money. So I'm like this. I tell the girl I was with, I was like, look, I was like, since they did that, if I got a fight in court, you should go press charges on that. for beating you up. You know what I mean? Because that's really the only assault that was there. If you said I assaulted anybody because I think it was robbery.

Starting point is 02:41:25 And she even said over $50,000. She'd have been smarter saying I stole a watch or something. I mean, it's more like, you know. So anyway, so I tell the girl to go press charges on that so that it would look better on me in court when I've got to face some music. Now I'm going on the run. I'm not going to sit here and turn myself in there or no. So the girl goes to press charges.

Starting point is 02:41:44 Next thing you know, she calls me. She's like, Eric. They're locking me up. I said, what? I said, what the for robbery? I said, they're locking you up for robbery. Are you crazy? They locked her up for every charge I had.

Starting point is 02:41:59 They locked her up for us. Now, Matt, I'm sick. So I call up, I call up an attorney or whatever, good attorney. I meet him in a parking lot because I'm on a run. You know what I mean? I meet him in a parking lot. Pay him. They gave her no bail, but then the next day, they wound up giving her a bail.

Starting point is 02:42:15 So that was, so it took like a, about, I was probably, chilling for like a month or something like that. Next thing you know, they show up at this place that I'll stay in at this, this apartment, like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's in a suburb. The shit like that's like, there's like, there's like 25 cops out there and all they're screaming, open the door. Obviously, I'm not open the door. I'm just like, I'm chilling. Just sitting there, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:42:39 So they're there for like two hours. They're beating on the windows and shit like that. So they go to the place and get a key and they come in. So that's what I was like surrendered to them. So I'm like, okay, this is obviously stupid. So I get, my lawyer is probably the best lawyer in Maryland. You know what I mean? So I hire him.

Starting point is 02:42:56 So he gets down there to do my bail review or whatever. Man, they still kept me with no damn bail. They were like this. And my lawyer is brought up, he's like, listen, your honor. First off, this person who's pressing his charges is saying they had $50,000 cash. Their lifestyle doesn't fit that because they pulled her up on case search. Look, her house is in foreclosure. This is that.

Starting point is 02:43:16 This is that. She can't even get a phone in her me. You know, I was helping her out. So the judge actually laughed. Judge, like, yeah, I don't believe she had $50,000, but I still think he's dangerous or whatever. Oh, because in the report, she said like this, she said, she came to her house and I had my dog at her house. I've had my dog. She's trying to sit right there.

Starting point is 02:43:35 I've had my dog for 10 years. You know what I mean? I've done, did a bin and had my dog taken care of by people, all that stuff. I love my dog. That's my dog. Sayy's turning trying to make it like I stole my own dog and all. kind of bullshit, you know what I mean? Because of what they're believing this, this weirdo. I'm like, first off, obviously, if she's got $50,000, there's been a bigger crime committed

Starting point is 02:43:57 than me robin. Right. You know what I mean? Where'd that come from? What are you doing 50 grand, your teenage son, and you're staying in a hotel that's two blocks from your house? Like, come on. You know, so they didn't give me no bail. So eventually, eventually I wound up, I wound up going to trial, you know what I mean, the trial date or whatever. My lawyer did do this. He got me a really fast court date because I would have still been sitting there, you know, because I was indicted or whatever. And it takes like a year to get to court, you know, but he got a quick court date. And they just dismissed the whole case when it got the court. And then the girl I was with or whatever, she, she wound up getting her case dismissed, you know, the poor girl, you know what I mean? So that

Starting point is 02:44:40 cost me a bunch of money. Like, I've had somebody running with these crazy cops around here. Like, I remember back and like some stuff's just like you gotta pay attention to like when you're on the streets like back when I always telling drugs and stuff like I had a few times like all right

Starting point is 02:44:56 I had one situation where I had this girl she was holding she was holding shit for me right and I was screwing around with her whatever you know but she wasn't my girlfriend or nothing she's messing with other dudes and all well she gets mad that I'm out with this other chick she gets all drunk

Starting point is 02:45:10 she's got her for all my drugs and shit in her car and she's in Denny's like, you know, Denny's is a cop hangout. Right. And it's like 2 o'clock in the morning, right? She's in Denny's. I'm trashed, you know. She's calling me.

Starting point is 02:45:23 And they, it was on phone tap, and all you need to come get all your shit. Blah, blah, blah. I said, Nicole, what are you doing? I was like, calm down, please, please, you know what I mean? But you know how women are when to get married. Yeah. So I got to show up at Denny's.

Starting point is 02:45:36 So it's me and my buddy. We show up there. Now, I'm in my truck, my escalate. So I coax her to come outside. I'm like, look, just come outside, talk to me, please. So her car is right there, but there's a cop there's an actual physical cop there in uniform. I'm like, look, and she's making a big sick. Get that shit out of my car.

Starting point is 02:45:53 I'm like, Jesus Christ. So look, here's what I do. I grab her. And I'm like, I don't beat women or all that kind of shit, but I grab her. I throw her in my truck real quick. You know what I mean? And I'm fucking like, right, shut the door. So I lock the door.

Starting point is 02:46:05 So I fucking jump in the truck. I take off off the street. Because I don't want none of us getting trouble. Sure enough. Woo, woo, woo, woo. I'm getting pulled over. Now, this was in that. time frame after I had that accident, so I didn't even have a driver's license.

Starting point is 02:46:18 You know, my license is suspended in everything. I'm shit-paced drunk, too. So I'm getting pulled over. I'm like, say, here's how I should have known the Fed's wrong. So the cop pulls me over. He comes up and he's like, I had a physical driver's license, but it was suspended. You know what I mean? When I say I had no driver's license.

Starting point is 02:46:38 And that paper license, they give you that way past 45 days. So that's no good. So I handed my actual hard license or whatever. So next thing you know, I see the paddy wagon roll up. So you know, if there's a cop and then a paddy wagon rolls up, you're going to jail. So I jump on my phone. I call my bail bondsman. I'm like, hey, listen, check this out.

Starting point is 02:46:55 I'm right here at Denny's in it on Bel Air Road or whatever. I'm going to get locked up, patty wagons here, everything like that. Just be ready to bail me out. He's like, okay, just like I was under investigation. They gave me directions to a 50-cent concert, the feds did. I was coming from Ocean City. It was 4th of July weekend. So we're down there partying and shit.

Starting point is 02:47:16 And this is when 50 Cent first came out like 2003. When he first got his first out, he was like the hottest thing going. So they had to rock the mic tour. So we wound up scoring some tickets for that. It was my little brother and my buddy. So I leave Ocean City. I come back to Baltimore, pick my little brother up, grab some more liquor. So I was always drunk.

Starting point is 02:47:35 I was always drunk. So I grabbed some more liquor or whatever. So now we're headed to the concert, which is in Virginia. So on the way there, I get lost. Now, I remember back to, do you remember OnStar? Yeah. Okay. Well, look, if anybody's ever had OnStar, at least back in them days, if you would hit

Starting point is 02:47:53 your OnStar, it would just be some chick would come on there. They don't know how to give you directions or nothing. You know, honestly, I used to hit it and talk to them at night and shit when I'm driving around, flirt with them and shit like that. And they would always give me bad directions. I make fun on them. So this day, this day, I was, I hit that. Some guy came on.

Starting point is 02:48:09 Now, I shouldn't have been paying attention because I hadn't paid my OnStar bill in like two months, you know. So this guy comes on. He gave me, man, he gave me perfect directions. He knew everywhere I had to go and everything. I told him he's so professional. I gave him a compliment, man, at the end of it. I said, sir, I said, let me just say something to you, man. I said, I've used on star before. I said, but you are the, you are the best on star guy ever, man. You really are professional. So the irony of it is like, I'm thinking he's the best one star guy. He had to be thinking, you know, you're the dumbest criminal. You know what I mean? He wound up when the discovery came out, he was the age.

Starting point is 02:48:45 You know what I mean? So there's a lot of, like, a lot of shit, like, just been wild. You know what I mean? Wild and crazy type of stuff, you know, but I try to, you know, I actually start a YouTube channel now myself, you know what I mean? I'm trying to get it up and run. This shit is difficult, you know what I mean? Why?

Starting point is 02:49:01 Why? When did you start it? Probably like two weeks ago, you know, I got some, I just started learning how to edit and, like, put backgrounds and stuff behind me and stuff like that. But it's like, you got to get out to the, like, I don't know how to get out to all the viewers. Like, well, look, I started two weeks ago. I got like 80 subscribers, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:49:19 So it's just like... Well, yeah, when you do shows like this, you tell them about the, you know, tell them you got a podcast. Like, people will go there and check it out. Oh, I can. I can say that on me. Yeah, I mean, we'll put, I'll put a, I'll put a description. I'll put the description to your YouTube channel in the, the description.

Starting point is 02:49:39 I'll put the link to your YouTube channel. in the description. And when I, when I sign off, I'll say, hey, check out, you know,

Starting point is 02:49:46 check out your, uh, Eric's, you know, YouTube channel. Oh, okay. Thanks a lot.

Starting point is 02:49:50 Thanks a lot. Yeah. What do you have up right now? Huh? What do you have up? I got, um, I got some,

Starting point is 02:49:57 I got like videos up of where I'm, I'm breaking down like certain stuff like, you know, prison stuff. I broke down like, uh, Trump's struderal indictments. Um,

Starting point is 02:50:06 doing like prison contest, street content, stuff like that. Honestly, to be honest with you, what my goal is and it's crazy. It sounds crazy. Like everybody wants to hear all this gangster shit and all this bullshit.

Starting point is 02:50:17 Dude, I was born into that type of life. I hate that shit. Like, honestly, really what I want to do, I want to get into politics, honestly, you know? Because I'm figuring, like, you got that guy in Pennsylvania, the guy who beat Dr. Oz, Federman. You know what I mean? Come on, dude.

Starting point is 02:50:33 Yeah. Like, come on. I mean, look at the president, Joe Biden. I mean, I think I'm a little bit more, you know, more there than he. him, you know, we just had that, just like, we just had that thing happen in, um, Francis Scott Key Bridge just the other day. Yeah. Yeah, that was like, that's crazy, man. And, um, that the other day, I thought that was like yesterday. Was that yesterday? Two days ago. It was like 1.30 to more a couple of days ago. Wasn't 1.30 the night before. Yeah. Um, that's a shame,

Starting point is 02:51:00 man. Six, I think six people. And, you know, what sucks is like the, the, it was the workers. You know what I mean? They were working instruction. It was, you know, there were illegals or whatever. But, I mean, these people will just work and stuff. You know, like, I'd like to get into stuff like that. I'd like to get into, like, politics and things like that. Like, on, just, like, really on a local level, you know, I've been trying to do, like, things, like, set things up. Like, even, like, this last experience of just going to jail for that three and a half months,

Starting point is 02:51:27 I noticed something. Now, when I was in there, I'm almost 50, you know, I'm 48 years old. So, there was only about 10 of us on that whole tier that weren't. from 18 to 25. You know, so I started looking at things, and, like, they got all these programs, like, inside of there for them to get their GED, for them to do this, for them to do this, for these kids to do this.

Starting point is 02:51:52 But I was thinking, like, you know, why not? Because they killed the bail system here. There's really no large bail bonds or cash bail. So they just let out of whoever they want, you know what I'm saying? So I was, you know, I want to get into something where as though I, I made you set up a center and set up a programs where, you know, okay, release them, release them to a program where they have to be at my program three days a week. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:52:15 I have basically a home training, you know, job training, GED, you know, just life skills. Not only had no confidence in their self. You know, just things like that. And, you know, to them when they go to court, they can say, hey, I've already accomplished all that. What's the point of putting me in jail? You know, but then they put these damn programs in jail, you know what I mean? So now I've been trying to do stuff like that and getting all that stuff. You know.

Starting point is 02:52:41 But listen. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, you ought to go check my channel out. I broke down, oh, I broke down Diddy. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:52:49 Yeah. I don't know anything about. Like, I know just what there was an article and what a couple of guys have said. Like, I don't know if everything has come out yet, has it? Or, well,

Starting point is 02:52:59 well, here's the thing. If the feds come and once the feds raid, you're getting indicted. Yeah. You know what I mean? like I told you, like, when they, this last time, that was the state of did that. But like, I remember that's just, did, Eric, come on out.

Starting point is 02:53:15 I could have flushed the body down the toilet. They didn't care. Yeah. They got the evidence. But yeah, he's done. You know what I mean? He's toast. Like, you hear people say, oh, money.

Starting point is 02:53:23 Man, they print the money. What is wrong with you people? Like, did people pay attention? Like, do you, if you even look at it like, okay, then they're talking about it you could go somewhere with, when no extradition, they'll send somebody to kidnap you. Yeah, yeah. They'll grab you. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:53:38 I know. How many people? did you meet? I met plenty of people in in the medium and the low where they were in their own country and the feds have no extradition. They just come kidnap you, put you on a plane. Your people don't say nothing. Like extradition isn't what people think it is. I've seen a guy, listen, I've seen a guy who had a life sentence because they sent him to go kidnap somebody. The feds did or whatever, like going a mercenary type mission. And he got caught. He got caught in that other place or whatever. And he told him the fed's here. Fed's here came and got him and locked him up for some type of treason or something they didn't want. Yeah, that was crazy. But like, yeah, I can go mad. Like I was telling people like, all you got to do is look at like, okay, you remember 9-11, okay. The UN, you know, they, okay, 9-11 was done by, something by Latin then, okay,

Starting point is 02:54:30 synonymous stains over Iraq and all that stuff. So the U.S. or the U.N. he said that he didn't have weapons, a mass destruction. You can't go get them. What did George Bush do? Hold him up here. Watch this. You know, went over there and got him. So you're telling him they go get to Saddam Hussein. Kill him, decapitate him. Then his kids or whatever, they hung him or whatever, built a McDonald's, took his gold toilet. But they're going to have problems with, did he? Stop it. Right. He's going down. Where is he? Um, he didn't even leave the country. I think, um, oh, his private jet was already in the air. And it was headed somewhere in Africa, you know, one of countries in Africa. Yeah, I broke down

Starting point is 02:55:07 like the Fani Willis, do you pay attention to her? No. That's the Georgia prosecutor. He's prosecuting Trump in Georgia for the Lexington. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, and then she got called with the dude or whatever. You know, she sat there. She tried to play the race card, which I was like,

Starting point is 02:55:23 what a hypocrite are you? She's sitting there trying to play the race car. But right now, she's got about seven RICO cases on young black rappers that are there trying to use. Now, look, I don't know if these guys are guilty or innocent, but she's trying to use their rap lyrics to send them away from. for life. But now when somebody looks into her dirt, you know, like I even said a comment on her, she's like,

Starting point is 02:55:43 you know, they went into her text message and all. I haven't had a private conversation in 20 fucking years. Join the crap. You know what I mean? It's just the truth. Right. It sucks, but I mean, you can't do dirty. And ain't because you're black. You know what I'm saying? She's like, I won't do this to a black man away every day.

Starting point is 02:56:00 It's all bullshit. Like, I used to tell guys in prison when the shit was going on with Joe Biden and Trump. I'm a Trump guy. I like Trump. you know what right and like i'll say like this like i like i like trump because i like trump you know what i mean i just like his character i like who is and i do like a lot of his policies because i'm not some guy like you know when people are like i wish there was no cops you can't have that that's anarchy you know yeah you can't have that you know you do need law and order you do

Starting point is 02:56:27 need things you know what i mean so it's like you know when these guys say this stuff like i even put on there like how they're saying these street codes and all that kind of stuff listen um these same guys who don't believe in the street code. I got into an argument with this guy. And he said, oh, well, I wouldn't do that. He's like, what would I tell? I said, look, if I seen somebody kidnapping a child, okay, am I going to call the police?

Starting point is 02:56:51 You're right, I am. Call me whatever if you want. I'll chase him down myself too, but there's a better chance of the police catching them. Listen, at the end of the day, I would rather you call me a million rats than have to look you in the faces of father and say, damn, Eric, you could prevent it at a friend.

Starting point is 02:57:07 Madden to my child, you know, there's certain things that are like, um, terrorist shit. Like, if I knew somebody's going to blow up a shopping mall, yeah, I'd turn on the, you know what I mean? Yes. You know what I mean? But this one dude's arguing me, Matt, right? So he's saying all this and that. So I'm like, yeah, I said, but you're the same saying all that. I said, but if you walked outside and that car, you're paying $1,000 a month car payment for,

Starting point is 02:57:29 was missing. Who you call him? Right. If someone took all the money out of your bank account, wouldn't you want someone to cooperate and try and get your money back? Or your mother's retirement fund? Yes. No, mom, mom can just sleep on my couch.

Starting point is 02:57:42 Come on, then stop. They don't know how to, listen, but they're lying. They're bullshit. See, they don't know how to like, see, you know, like I said, like, like me, there's certain things like, dude, you could shoot me. You could shoot me. I won't tell him. I promise. I won't tell him.

Starting point is 02:57:57 No, that's, that's just who I am. And I'm retired. I'm not in streets. But that's just who I am, you know. But like, at the end of the day, if I shoot somebody or something and some lady sees it and calls the police and comes to be a witness. She's supposed to do that. Right.

Starting point is 02:58:11 She's supposed to do that. You know what I mean? But there's certain things. Like these same people who are saying, oh, they all did it. They all told them their friends. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:58:21 It's all facts. You know, there's no honor amongst these. You know what I mean? There is none. Well, hey, if you guys like the video,

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