Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Nurse Framed in $40M Fraud | Betrayal, Corruption, & Prison

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

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And more. That's how she does it with me, Karen Feinerman. wherever you get your podcast. I'm the victim of a $40 million fraud. The numbers don't match. They're completely different books. You're facing federal time for something that you don't have control over. And I'm in trouble.

I'm in trouble. I want a scholarship to become a mechanical engineer. My dad had some cardiac stuff. He got laid off from his job. My mom said, hey, you need to come down and help the family. So I left my scholarship. Went there, and about a year later, they separated. and so I just felt like I gave everything up for their dream, not mine.

I started hanging out on the south side of Tucson, which is maybe the light version of South Central, lots of Hispanics, lots of drugs, and I got involved in being a thug. Pretty soon I'm breaking into cars and boosting stereos and stuff, and I was like, I should go work at a stereo shop. It would be easier to fence it. So I go get a job at a stereo shop. I'm 21 years old, and the guy that owns it is from Mexico. He's 21 years old. So it became really good friends. And you're boost.

You're still breaking into cars. Still breaking into cars and then selling it right through the front of the stereo shop. And I'm just having fun, man. I'm 20, you know, 21 years old and drinking way too much and getting in trouble and doing all the things you shouldn't do. And there was a situation where my brother was doing some stuff and his friend. And so they dated this girl and they broke into this house. stole a bunch of jewelry. And so they brought it and they're like, hey, look at this. How do we get rid of this? I'm like, well, there's jewelry. Like, don't take it to a pawn shop. Like, don't do

that. Like, we got to move it somewhere else. So, of course, you know, he's a minor and so, so is his friend of minor. I'm over 18. And he was just about to turn 18. And so there's like 16 co-defendants. And so someone, of course, takes something to a pawn shop and ponds it. So we all catch cases. Right. There's 16 of us. So they're like, you talk. How do you catch a case when they, they brought it to you just? They brought it to me. So like, I'm the one like, I'm pretty smart. Like, I don't know why, but I'm just like, these are the things we shouldn't do and these are the things we should do. And so they, but you're still in the mix. So you're, I'm in the mix. I'm in the mix. And so it goes before the county defendant, the prosecutor. And, and so the 16 co-defendants of like

three of us are over the age. So we get adult diversion. So now I'm on probation. I got to pay money. The other two co-defendants who are over 18, they get some money, they take care of it, like they complete the classes, they're done, but I'm still on the hook.

So I have this bright idea that, like, I don't like being under the thumb of anyone, especially this probation officer. So I think I'm hanging out one day and I just gave some car stereos and some rims to man. and he caches me out. And he's like, this is the law of averages.

You should move up. I'm like, well, how do you move up? He's like, well, you need to deal some drugs. I said, oh, man, that's just not my thing. If I'm going to do it one time, I should do it. And he's like, well, you know, more risk, more reward. I said, well, what do I got to lose? So he's like, well, here's a number.

So I call this number and I meet this crazy Mexican woman. Like, she's like the Hispanic version of Maddo. Dusa. Like she's fucking, her hair's all over the place. And she's talks fast and she's, her eyes are darting. And I'm like, are you on drugs or something? She's like, no. So I wind up going to this apartment and one of my friends is hanging out. And he's like, she can move weight. I said, well, I got a guy that like has money. I met this black guy. He was Nigerian. And he's like, oh, yeah, I could, I got the money. I said, well, look, man, we're going to do a test. So I said to her, I'm like, give me some product.

I need a QP, quarter pound. And this is on the house, and you need to bring me the money. We'll meet at a Denny's parking lot. So that's what we do. Changes the money for the drugs. Everybody's good. So we set up the deal. The deal was 500 pounds, a marijuana.

And the exchange is supposed to go down two days later. What year is this? This is 1993. Okay. 92. And you're like 21, 22? I'm 20, 21. So I'm just turned 21.

Just turned 21. I'm swinging for the fences because I was going to do it in corporate America, but it didn't turn out that way. You know, these tools I learned from junior achievement are like junior achievement for criminal enterprises. So I go up to the apartment. I'm like, hey, he's got the money over here. So I go to the lady.

I'm like, hey, where's the product? Like, she's like, well, we got to go down to my apartment, get the keys and it's in a truck. I'm like, okay. So, and this is, there's no cell phones during this time, really. Yeah. It's pagers. And so, like, it's cryptic, you know, numbers and stuff.

And you're pulling out your sheet and decoding everything. And so that's what we do. I decode it. And we go down into the apartment. And as she opens the door, all I see is this guy coming at me with a knife. and she's like, get behind me. And it happens so fast. She says get behind her.

She says get behind me. She pulls out a gun. Now, we're in the frame, like we've walked, into her apartment by like three feet. This dude, like, jumps out from the shadows, got a knife. Like I could see it out of the corner of my left eye. She's, she kind of pushes me back and pulls out this gun and starts firing the gun.

Boom, boom, boom. I don't know what the fuck's going on. So I just back out and she's screaming at him and he's screaming at her. And they're screaming, you know, Mexican profanity. So she was on the bottom. It's kind of like a square. And inside the square, there's the apartment's bottom level and top level. This is a bottom level apartment and my friend's apartment is on the top level over here.

So he flies out. She was doing some tattooing and they're smoking. She fires two shots. and then she fires one at the ground as he's backing out. He, like, comes out of the door is coming out and she fires again. And I guess she gets pretty close, like it zings by his head. And he takes off. She's shaking.

About that time, I was like, oh, what is that? My whole head is spinning. My ears are ringing. I look down. I'm like, why do I have a water fountain out of my... Right Nike. It's like, so she didn't fire into the ground.

She fired into the ground and the bullet ricocheted. Oh. And went into my ankle. I now have a 357 slug in my right ankle. Okay. So now... It's not good. No, not good at all.

Now they call the cops. So now they got the eye in the sky and the police swarm down there. So, you know, I'm like probably 280 pounds. You know, I'm bald. I'm sweating. It's the middle of the summer. It's hot as hell in Arizona. And I got my pager there.

And my best friend's like hanging out. His name was Josh. I'm like, dude, take this and like go. And so he grabs my hat, my stuff, the keys, and he takes off. The woman, I don't know where she's at. Where's the money? You didn't have the money with you. So the money was supposed to be in the apartment.

That's why we're going there to get it. So the Nigerians actually got. the money. She has the drop. She's got the 500 pounds of wheat. So it's okay. So it wasn't a, it doesn't, it wasn't a rip off, right? No, it wasn't. It was just what? Who attacked her? So her ex-husband was somehow connected to Mexican mafia, cartel, like I never got the whole story. But he was in jail. So she was doing them dirty by getting the drugs and was going to sell them and was going to bounce. Okay. Like that's the whole thing. The Nigerian guys are blowing up phone because he's like, hey, we got the money.

Where's the drugs? And this is by pager, right? Yeah. So my friend who takes off, like he drops my pager. So now the police got my pager, it's going off, and I'm on my way to a level one trauma center. And who was the guy with a knife? It was her old man. Oh, I thought he was in jail.

He was, but he got out. Oh, okay. He got out. And so he put two and two together and was waiting in the apartment to kill her. Oh, okay. And she obviously was afraid for her life. That's why she had the gun. Right.

Okay. So wrong, you know, wrong person, wrong time. And so that was my introduction to being shot for the first and only time. And that's the first and only time I ever tried to deal drugs. So don't do drugs, young men and young women, because sometimes you might not come out on top. Did they, when you got to the trauma, said they leave the bullet in or they pull it out? No, they left it in because on your ankle, you have a bone that sticks out the side. And so the bullet is exactly three-fourths of an inch below the bone.

So they said if they took it out, they're afraid that they would cause irreparable damage and they'd have to amputate my right foot. So they gave me the choice of removing it or dealing with it. I said, well, I'd rather deal with it. And so I still got it in my ankle. Yeah. So people, you know, how many times have you watched a movie where they're like, we've got to get the bullet out? Most of the time they leave the bullet in.

You know what I'm saying? Like half, more than half the... Oh, man. where they'll cut it and they take it. And they love to make that, they pull it out and they drop it. And they like to make the ting noise. And they'll have like a little container. Oh, yeah, of course.

But the truth is, it's like, they almost close. You know, they got the knife and the fire and the branded. It's great. But in reality, even if you're in a trauma center, half the time they leave it in. Because it's like, we could do more damage trying to get it out than just leaving it. And most likely it may, it will probably never be a problem. It's like not the movie. is like, like the police are there and the doctors, they're, they're x-ray.

Like, there's no pain meds or anything. Like, you're just, like, your whole foot leg is throbbing, your head spinning, like, what's going on? And this is Sunday night. So we're supposed to have this family, you know, dinner on Sunday night. So I got to call, I call my dad, who's separated from my mom. And, hey, I got shot. I don't want to talk about it.

Can you come pick me up at the hospital, like 10 hours later? Not answering English. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. It's just not like the movies, man. Not like the movies at all. Does it cause pain? So, yeah, to this day, my ankle will swell up like the size of a grapefruit if I don't

wear old man support stocking. So I wear compression socks and I'm in great physical shape. I'm almost 55. So what, where do we go from here? You don't go to jail or anything. You just, you got shot. No, I got shot. I don't say anything.

They find the gun like months later, someone had thrown it in the gutter of the apartment because they searched they couldn't find the gun she disappears he disappears eventually it goes away now i'm still on probation so now i become even more what were you on probation for did we do that so there was 16 co-defendants that they broke into the house they stole this we're all on adult diversion they call it so like if you complete it but everyone's completed against me and i'm trying to get out by doing this you know drug thing which didn't work out it just intensified things So now I'm even more under the thumb of the probation officer. And then the country...

The average decent guy doesn't get shot. People just... Yeah, people aren't into shit. Just don't get shot. Yeah, it just doesn't happen. The next evolution basically is I'm going to school. I decided I don't want to be a youth corrections officer. I decide I'm going to do early childhood education.

Can you imagine? So I got a job at the YMCA as a camp counselor and it turned into before and after school. So I'm going to college during the day and doing this. And, of course, I get in trouble there. What you find happens is you're a guy, and there's a lot of upset single moms. So I'm putting off that I'm not available, like, leave me the hell alone kind of energy. And so this one woman's like, well, you're a nice guy. I'm like, I don't know what I am, but like I'm not interested.

Like, I do my job. Like, I'm really trying to keep my head down. Of course, that doesn't work. So a couple conversations. And then, you know, a visit to the house next day, you know, business as usual. And then a week or two later, of course, there's another one. Same thing. Head down, you know, next day.

Hey, had a good time until Susie and Johnny start talking. Oh, Mr. Kirk Lake was over at my house. Oh, he was at my house. And all of a sudden the shit hits the fan. Right. because you can't have that. And so now I'm being transferred to another site. And I was like, man, this is not good.

And this lady who was the site supervisor, so now I'm on an assistant site coordinator at an elementary school. And so I got to tell them like, hey, I'm on probation for theft. That's what it was, theft by control. And so they're like, well, we don't really care, you know, because, you know, again, it's 92. I'm like, I got to do something different. So I'd go get a job at Children's Rural Learning Center as a preschool teacher.

And you're on probation? I'm on probation. They're not running. They did. So in Arizona, they had what they call a fingerprint clearance card. And, you know, so since I'm on diversion, like, I haven't been convicted. Okay. So, and it's like a class, like it's level two. So you do all these things.

And really, I was. I was going to college. I was trying to do the right thing. Then I switched jobs and I move in with my ground. mother, she has diabetes and she's declining. So I live with her for a couple months. My dad's off, you know, he found a new relationship. And my younger brother and sister also live in Arizona. So my brother's like, hey, I can't live with mom anymore. Let's move in. And so about that time, my dad's moving out for his new relationship. I'm moving with my brother. I get a job down the street

at Children's World Learning Center. I had a car and I'd lend it to a buddy. Never lend your car to a Never, stupid. So he... Good way to lose both. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's what happened. He got knocked up a girl, got her pregnant. He took her for an abortion.

On the way back, he wrecked my car totaled it. And now I'm making a car note and paying for car insurance. And I got no way to get to my two full-time jobs. And so I'm walking. Of course, I weigh 270 pounds. It's Arizona. I'm like sweating, everything, you know, hurts and chafed. And, like, it was not good.

And I'm like, this is not. sustainable. So I bought a car and I got this 80, 1980 cutlass. And so I'm in the process of making it a lowrider. So it's got the rims on it. And I chopped the top, which was stupid. So I'm driving the car and the car catches on fire. And now I got no damn car. Right. Two jobs and probation. I'm like, why don't I just voluntarily kick myself in the nuts every day? I go to this place called the ugly duckling car lot. What do I buy? I buy a 1978

Mark 7 town car. It's got the huge doors. You know, it's like the starter pimp mobile sunroof. This thing purrs like a cat on the, on the interstate. You're just gliding. But man,

it was, it was so, so like just torn up. And so I'm working at the YMCA. I'm working at Children's World Learning Center. is a preschool teacher. I work at the stereo shop on the weekends. I got three jobs in this car that breaks down.

So I make a couple payments. I almost got the car paid off. And I miss a payment and they come repossess it. And now I'm screwed because they don't have a car. I need some quick cash. So what do I do? I go back to boosting stereos. I get the cash.

I get my car back. And I'm like, man, this car is like bad karma. What I do? is my friend and I, the guy that owns the stereo shop, his name's Fernando. We go to this place called the Wild West. And so we're out there drinking and stuff. And he disappears with some girl and I'm like, well, I got to get home. So I drive home. Now, I'm pretty lit up. Thank God I didn't kill somebody. And so I get to this apartment. I share this studio apartment with my brother and I pass out with a car and drive. And I parked it perfectly in between these two spaces. I woke up

I'm like, thank you, Jesus, for not let me kill somebody. Like, I'm never going to do that again. So this car's got to go away. I got to get my head right. So what do I buy? Of course, I buy another cutlass because why wouldn't you, right? The one caught on fire. Why wouldn't you buy another one?

That car winds up breaking down. I'm working at the stereo shop. And there's a guy. I'm like, hey, I need an engine. He's like, well, it's going to cost, you know, $2,000. I'm like, that's like three months of, like, whatever, you know? If like, if I was living on the streets, like, I'm not going to get too. grand. So I go to my good friend who's always willing to help me get in trouble. My friend

Mani on the south side, I'm like, hey, man, I need a car. He's like, well, get two sets of rims, a couple stereos. I'll give you guys number. So that's what I do. Pretty soon I got some crackheads number and he brings me a car for 50 bucks. So bring the car into the stereo shop. It's going to be perfect, right? You're going to swap out engines. I got my car and I'm on my way. Except I didn't figure out that the mechanic, who's got, he's got four kids with three different baby's mammas, he was over at one baby's mama's house, and she was upset and found out about the other baby's mama's house. And so he had a fight with her, and he left the house, and he came to the stereo shop after hours to help me strip the car. So we're stripping the car. We got both cars there,

and baby mama number two reported on baby mama number three, and so the cops show up to arrest him for domestic violence. They come in. they see the two strip cars and they think it's a chop shop. Right. Handcuffs now in the county jail. No more diversion. Here's the coming to Jesus meeting. And so now I'm in the jail and that's it.

What do they do with no more diversion? Do they go ahead and give you like the whole sentence or something? So they brought those charges along with the new charges. The new charges. And now you're in the county jail. And I remember I walk in. I'm like, what's happening? Like, I just dazed.

And they're like, there's your floor. And, um, like, that's my bed, like this rubber mattress on the floor, on the cement floor. And there's, it's like the drunk tank. There's like, I don't know, 30 people there. And now like reality is setting in. I remember some dudes like, that's my mat. And I was like, what? Yeah, that's my mat.

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I jaw jacked him. I just started beating the shit out of him. And I beat the shit out of him until, so they came and got me, the goon squad came and got me and roughed me up and then put me in a single cell. I was like, oh, this is cool. No roommates. Right. I don't have to fight over the mattress. Some other dude was in there and he was high on, I think, Crystal, there's something. I was like, dude, you got to shut the fuck up. Like, I can't think. He's like, what do you want to think about? How miserable your life is?

I'm like, yeah, okay, continue talking. And so a couple days later, I'm arraigned, and they're like, we're going to move you up in the jail. Does they give you a lawyer? They did. They gave me a public pretender. Right. And this guy, man, this guy, I see him once.

and it's by video, right? He's like, oh, well, he could call you. I'm like, why? Everybody else is, like, coming to see, see, their lawyers, see them. Like, why is this, why I got to take a phone call from this guy? Well, he was handicapped. He was in a wheelchair. And he was the most decent human being I've ever seen.

Not because he's in a wheelchair, just because he was just angry. Right. And he's like, oh, you're going to go jail. Like, you're going to do, like, you, like this, so many, co-defendants and you got you run in a chop shop and this and that like you're looking at a dime I'm like I'm not doing a dime like I'm not a bad person he's like well that's the offer I'm like fuck your offer but fuck you so now you get to go to the the law library and I'm like okay well I did all this stuff to like be smart I was a and B student you know so about that time

I get moved and from one pod to the next I didn't understand clicks like in the county jail like I didn't stay with your own kind. I was born and raised, you know, in Southern Baptist, so I'm turning into the Bible. And so I'm having a Bible study with a black and a Mexican guy. And they don't like that in the county jail, but I don't really care. These three Hispanic guys, they're like, they checked the other guy and the other guy. And so they learned the lesson, but I didn't because I just took my Bible and went and sat down where they were sitting.

They're like, you're not welcome here. I'm like, well, I didn't ask you. This is not a good attitude to have in the county jail. And so we get in a fight. And I hold my own, but I had to get my ass kick. Like, this is be honest. Like, there's three of them and one of me. And then the goon squad comes in and beat you down.

And now you're in Ad Seg. You're there by yourself on the 11th floor. And you can't even go to the law library. And so I'm like, well, hasn't this a bitch? So it's about 10 days until I get sentenced. And my lawyer, I can get sentenced. Did you take a plea? I didn't take a plea.

So it's an open, it's an open plea? Yeah, so it's for the, it's actually for the, like, pre-trial. Okay. The progression of this, I've been in the county jail

for about four and a half months. The pretrial's coming up. I talked to the lawyer, and he's like, like the best you're going to get is like five to six. I'm like, I'm not interested.

And I want you to file a motion. I want you to recuse yourself as my attorney. He's like, why? I said, because you're a piece of shit. and you don't give a shit about me. Like, you've never asked me my story once.

You know anything about me. And so how can you represent me if you don't know me? Kick rocks. So he does. They take me out. The judge is like, so you want to, yes,

I want to represent myself. And he says, I'd advise against that. I said, that's okay. His name was Leonardo, Judge Leonardo. And I said,

Your Honor, honorable judge Leonardo, like, I'd like two weeks to prepare, like, my motion. I'm an admitted. straight of segregation, and he's like, well, why are you there? I said, well, because I got in a fight,

and also because a correctional officer tried to give me a pair of medium pants and, and, like, I'm a 3x. So there's no way I was going to be set up for success. He's like, okay, you got two weeks. So I get twice a day privileges to the law library. I look up things. And I figure, like, I'm guilty of these things. Like, I'm not going to be unguilty. So I need to put together There's something where I talk about the things that are good about me. And so that's what I did. And so I came up with mitigating factors according to the sensing guidelines. And so at that time, in Arizona, they had just passed a law where it's truth in sentencing.

You've got to do 85%. I'm allowed phone calls. So I call my dad and some family. I'm like, I need letters of support. Like, I need people. And so I must have like 50 or 60 people write the judge within the. this two weeks. The day before this hearing, there's a counselor that came. And this is black guy. I remember, and he's like, he knocks on the door, the food port opens up. And he's like,

hey, man, like, what do you learn about that Bible I gave you? I said, well, I got a Bible, a pencil and a pad. So, like, I've been, like, just reading it. He's like, I want to give you some wisdom because you're going to prison. He said, these are the three things you need to remember. Number one, discretion is the better part of valor. Discretion is the better part of valor. Number two, do your own program. Like don't join a click, don't get tattooed,

and have your own program. Good luck, Mr. Jalas. And I wrote that down. And I wrote it down, I wrote it down, until I had no more on the paper. And I was like, I'm going to repeat that. I'm going to do my own time. I'm not going to join a click,

and I'm going to have a program and work the program. And so the next day I go before the judge and I say, Your Honor, these are the things like, and I just summarized it. This is, this is what happened to me in my life. This is why I'm here where I'm at. And I understand I'm responsible for what I did. So, Your Honor, I'd love to, like, do, like, shock probation or whatever is available. But I understand, like, you have to do what you have to do. And I'm, I'm here to, like, accept the responsibility of that.

And so he said, I'd love to do those things for you, Mr. Jalas, but I'm bound by what the law says, 85%. So I'm going to give you 3.75 years for the first class four felony of theft by control, of the stolen property that you were on a diversion for, and for the class three felony of theft by control, I'm ordering you to three years at 85%. These terms are to run concurrent. I accept your mitigating factors. You're ordered to pay restitution of $2,200 for the car that was stolen. There was a single mother and she has two kids. And you dramatically affected her life by paying somebody and stealing that car. Now I'm going to the Arizona State Prison. So it was three years. So it was three years and 3.75 years run together. Run together. So it's three points. So they're running at the same time.

Or are they back to back? No, they're running at the same time. Okay, so it's three point... 3.75 at 50%. So it's almost four years. Yeah, yeah. Three, yeah. And nine months.

Yeah, so the minimum I have to term is like... Three years, about three years. Three years, yeah, 36 months. If you're good. If you don't lose any good time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Do they call it good time or gain time? Good time.

And then you get, of course, time served because about this time, I've been in the county jail for a little under six months. What kind of a facility do they send you to? Is it like a pen or like a medium? So the first place you go to from the county jail, you go to Phoenix, and the reception center is Alhambra. And they have a classification point system, like much, many other places. And so they, but in reception, they do a shitty job.

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Asians, like everyone's mixed in there. And of course, everybody's telling war stories. Oh, I did this and I did that and taking advantage of people, that kind of thing. And so it's like waiting to go to the principal's office, but you're in the principal's office and in the middle of a horror show too. You know, I'm 21 years old. There's no one coming to save me. Like, I'm hit.

And so you have to. have to have this attitude like it's mere them like that's it but this is a whole other level of like you know just mental fuckery and i was like well i'm surviving i'm surviving i survived like my childhood for whatever that was and everything else i'm surviving like i saw the second day i was there i'm sitting there and some guys just oh guys reading the book and and some mexican guy thought he could come take the book i mean like you don't have anything like you got a bible and You're like you don't even own your own clothes. And the Mexican guy's like, when I'm done with it, you can read it.

And this Mexican guy thought he could take it. So he went over there and snatched it out of that guy's hand. And it was the first time I've ever seen somebody stabbed. It was so quick. And this guy's just like bleeding. And he picks up the book, wipes the blood on the guy's clothes as he's bleeding out. goes back and lays on his rack. And now I know that this is real.

Like this is a living fucking nightmare. I put myself in. So the goon squad comes and they patch them and then they move us all out so they can clean the cell and then they put us right back in. And we're changed, you know, outside the cell for like two hours while they sanitize and then they put us right back in the cell. That's like, wow, okay. So there I get classified as a medium risk.

They take you on this bus, and so you're an ankle shackles and shackled at the waist, and you move. Like, and this is the first time I've been here probably like just under like three weeks. I got pulled out to go speak to these people in front of the desk. You know, it's like the parole board. They're all asking you questions. Did you do this? Do you do this? Did you fart the third Sunday at church when you were nine years old?

Yes, I did all of that. Now what? You know? It's like, like you're mad. Like, you're disillusioned. Like, this is your life. And so being nice and responding to people is like, do whatever you want. Like, I just don't care.

I remember saying that. And they're like, okay. Next, there's nothing rehabilitating about prison. There's nothing that reforms a person. It just makes them more of an animal. maybe it's changed. I don't know. It's been 29 years. Praise God. That January 11th, 1997 is the day I walked out of prison, never going back. But man, it changes you. So there we are. They're moving us. We got classified. They move us to another pod. They're like, you're like, you're moving out tomorrow. They give you your sack lunch, shackled up, and you board this bus. Now you're on the bus ride from hell, you know? It's got the metal bars on it. You know, White says Arizona, D.O.C.

Arizona Department of Corrections. I think it was like 18 hours. Like there's a cage, just like you see in the movies. And so I was shackled to this to this guy. He's all tatted down. And he's like, where are you going? Cupcake. And I'm like, oh, Cupcake.

I was like, this motherfucker. So now again, I'm about 280 pounds. And all you can do in these cells is like be miserable or exercise. So I've been doing burpees. So I'm sitting next to this guy. I think he's affiliated with the AB. Hey, Cupcake, where are you going? All right.

Well, I just, you know, we're sitting. He's, she's off to the, I'm on the left. He's on the right. And so I just, I lean down like this. And I head buttoned him right in the mouth. I did that about four times. Pretty soon they got to pull the bus over. Well, I guess I'm not Cupcake.

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I felt a sense of, like, calmness coming over me. So I watch, and you start to see things that others don't. And you're like, oh, yep, that guy's looking for a hit to score some dope. That guy, like, he's watching like I'm watching. And that guy, well, he's pure fucking dangerous. Like, he's chaos. Like, he's in predator mode, you know? I'm like, all right, I'm not going to align myself with a click because I said I'm not going to do that.

That means I'm on my own. And so you got to sleep at some point. So, like, you have to deliver the message. like I'm not one to be fucked with. So I think, okay, how am I going to do this? I don't know. Anyone that's been to prison, like, if you've ever had to stand in a line at an amusement park, if you've ever had to stand in line to return something at a store,

I want to let you know what hell on earth is. It's not what you think it is. Like, hell on earth is standing in a line for no purpose of standing in a line for hours to do no immediate task but to stand in the line and then go to another line. prison is just about standing in lines. You stand in line for clothes. You stand in line for chow to be counted. Even if you don't want to eat to slop their feeding,

you stand in line, you stand in line to do your laundry, you stand in line to do the commissary, you stand in line to play or have access to the sports equipment. Like you just stand in line. I hate lines. So you're standing in line and people are just talking, right? Because you're standing in line, there's nothing to do. So I look at the guy that's got the loudest mouth.

And so I get out of line and I call him a fucking pussy. And he turns around and I jawjack the guy. Why? Why not? Because I'm by myself. Like, I'm alone. And people need to know that they can't fuck with you. How do you know anybody wants to fuck with you?

Man. Like, I'm there. Just because of the cupcake guy. I'm a redneck from no place, Colorado. And this is my first, like, rodeo. And so he picks himself up and they send me to solitary, like, because I jaw jacked a guy. Now I'm, like, now I'm really relaxed. Like, I don't have to worry about anything.

And so I spend a couple days there and they asked me why. Like, I'm like, well, the second night I was there with these guys, I saw some guy bleed out. And then you got put back in the cell. And then you stuck me over here with all these. other guys and I'm watching the watching and like people are here for I'm here for stealing a car and there's guys here that are doing time for like aggravated assault man I want to live so you tell me what's my choice you treat me like an animal you lock me up like an animal how am I supposed to respond like I have value so give me a choice give me a chance like send me over to the

minimum yard there I'll be the I'll be a model inmate So I thought you were at the medium. I was at the medium. Then they put me in solitary. Okay. And you said, oh, you were trying to get back to the medium. I jaw jacked the guy. Yeah.

They put me in solitary. I'm there for a period of time. Like, I think three weeks. And then they go before the classification committee. Because it was assault, right? So they could up the ante, you know? They could send you to a more restrictive or less secure. So you're just saying, send me back to the medium because you showed up at the medium.

you joll check the guy. Yeah. So now you're in, you're in front of the board, this board, whatever it is. The classification committee. And now you're just saying,

send me back and I'll be good. Yeah. So don't send me to a pen. Okay. Yeah. Send me. So, because I'm in,

I'm in the, the, so we went from the county to the reception center for the state. Yeah. Now in the medium. And so in the medium,

they're like, well, you could spend this much time in solitary and then you could, based on, you know, classification or whatever, we could classify you up or down.

So they send me back. I think I'm there for another two months at the medium yard. Then they reclassify, I think in 90 days. So they reclassify me. I don't get in trouble. I don't jaw jack anybody. I just put my head down, do what I need to. So they reclassify me.

They send me over to the minimum yard. And so there they put you on a work crew. And so they give you a rake and they pay you, I think, like 10 cents an hour. And so you're raking dirt. And you do that for eight hours. Like, that's what you do. And so you have people mow yards that didn't need mow and. Yeah.

And so are they do, they have all kinds of things. So I do that for like another 90 days and, you know, clean the toilets and all this. And so I don't get in trouble. And they're like, hey, you're eligible for work camp. And so they, it's because this is a rural community in Arizona. So they have, the counties have to survive off inmate labor. So chopping weeds. on the side of the highway, caretakers in graveyards, being a janitor, like at the different government

buildings. Like, these are the day jobs. And so you go out, they search you, they give you a lunch. They got a correctional officer that does drive-bys and they assign you to a county worker who's your supervisor. You go out the gate, and the first place they take us to is this little podunk place called Dunkin, Arizona. The bus pulls up, you get out, and there's this guy, and he's like, all right, this is what you're going to do, and if you decide you're not going to do, I'll just call the CEO, and you could, like, be taken back. You never questioned me.

I was like, okay, that's a pretty simple rule. I could follow that. What do you want me to do? He's like, you, you take this, this rake and this hoe, go over to the graveyard, take the tumbleweeds and rake them together and stick them in these bags. We don't have tumbleweeds here. I've seen them in movies. Yeah, like the roadrunner, you know, Wiley Coyote.

I've seen them in the good to bad and the ugly. I think they had some tumbleweets. Yeah, that's a great Clint Eastwood man. That's a masculine man right there. Yeah. Yeah, great movie. And so that's what I do. And so you're there and you're like, what the fuck is this?

You're freezing. It's cooler than a witch's tit, man. Like, your balls are freezing. Like everything's freezing. got your state issued gear and you're just, but it's quiet. Right. And so I'm reading headstones and I'm reading about like this guy served in the military. This was a, this guy's a father.

This is a husband. And so there was this very simple but spiritual experience I had in that moment. And I would look forward to going there, being alone, freezing my nuts off because as simple as strange as it sounds, it's like I could atone for like the choices I made by cleaning somebody's gravesite and like, like maybe no one visits it. Maybe I'm just the person overseeing it, like looking at it. But I could take pride in that. I think I wound up clearing out the whole graveyard in about like just under a month. And nobody had ever done that before. Like they hadn't like really applied themselves.

And it got noticed. And so one day I'm on the bus and, and they're like, you're not getting off here, Chalas. And so they, they use your, your number. I guess burned in my brain like my social security number. Inmate 107-887. That's, that was my Arizona DOC number.

Chalas, 07, you're getting off over here. Okay. So now I'm not in Dunkin, Arizona. I'm in Clifton, Arizona, which is another 45 minutes on the bus ride. They're like, hey, we're going to side you to the road crew. And so we get out. And so these are guys that know how to do backhoe and stuff. I don't have any of those skills.

Like, I'm just a redneck from Colorado. But I have some pride in my work product, I guess. Hey, you're going to be on the road crew and we go clean up campsites. So there's this humongous, like, I mean, he must be 400. pounds. Nice guy. And I think he has narcolepsy. So his name is Raoul. And so Raul comes over there. He waddles over there like this like a webo-wobble kind of guy. He's like, okay, I need five guys. And so this, this yellow banana yellow like county truck that is faded and rusted. And so he chooses like five guys. And so there's, it's a bench seat. So it's him and then two guys in the front and four guys in the back.

So we're all shoulder to shoulder like this, freezing. And he's like, okay, we're going to go clean up the side of the road. And so we got bags and stuff. And so we go clear out probably like a half a mile of the road. The county dump truck comes and we throw all the bags in there. And that's day one. And day two, three, four, and five repeats. And of course, there's guys that fuck off.

You know, they take off or they find some liquor or something they drink. And so they moved through this. So about three weeks of that. And pretty soon we got this crew. It starts to warm up because now it's turning to summer. So like this is month two, we're there. In May in Arizona, it's hot. And so we've moved from like doing the roads to now we're doing the parks.

And we have a pretty established crew. We got this big black guy. I mean, he's like six to you could bounce quarters off this guy's chest. And his name is Chop Top. And then, and I think he's probably of likes guys, but nobody says that. And then we got this little Mexican guy, and he's probably like maybe, maybe five-foot-five. And he talks a mile a minute in Spanish and English, Spanglish. And so they call him Speedy Gonzalez.

So we got Chop Top and Speedy Gonzalez and some old white guy that just, just call him old man because he's just grumpy. He doesn't say anything, but he's just hard. worker and doesn't want to, then there's me also. And then there's like somebody else that rotates out on the crew, you know. And so we wind up going to the campsite. And so I rule, Raul's like, all right, I'll be back in three hours, clean up the campsite. All right.

Did this guy really just take off? Like he left us out here in the middle of fucking nowhere. And so we do. Like we, they takes us to the next campsite. Nobody knows where Raul's going. Well, Raul's parked down the street, like falling asleep. Like, if you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. When you're not resting well, everything else feels harder.

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and Speedy is like so excited. He's so excited. He's like, look, I found it. I found it. What did you find? Chop Top's like, oh man, you don't want to fuck with those. It's a little chili. It's called a chili papine.

And that chili papine is like one of the hottest type of like small peppers. And so they're like, hey, you know what? You're commissary for a week if you eat one of those. I'm like, it can't be that hot. And I'm like, so. $20 a commissary. Now, we're making 50 cents an hour, you know, so a day's labor is like $4.50 about that.

And so like $20, like, that's a whole work of week, a whole work of commissary. Right. So I'm like, yeah, I'm game. I'll do it. So I eat like three of these. And I can't close my mouth. My eyes are watering. I'm sweating for like hours.

I'm like, Raoul, I think I'm like having a heart attack. I need to go back, man. He's like, nah, fuck that. He's like, no, we're not doing that. I'm like, well, something. And Speedy starts laughing and laughing. He's like, lece, leche, leche. And it all is, oh, yeah.

So it stops into the local convenience store and it gives me like a half a gallon of milk. So I'm sitting there like, you know, milk pouring down my, my face and everything. And the milk neutralizes things that are hot. Why did you lose a week? Because I took the bet. I said, like, I could eat these three peppers. He did eat them. I did.

Yeah. But, but without like, drinking water. Oh. Yeah, I left that out. So without drinking water. Yeah, I need, like water couldn't touch it. You know, the milk did. So now we're in, now we're in June and it's hot. So we're still on the road crew. And one of the campsites has like this stream. And so Raoul takes off for hours. And so we wind up skinny dipping. And it was like the greatest like gig I had for like two months. We were like swim every day. It was like I was like a human being for a moment, you know? So this program. And then all of a sudden I get on the bus one day, like, hey, why am I not getting off here? Oh, you've been reassigned. I don't want to be reassigned. Well, it's not a choice. And I got a new correction officer.

So I'm like, no, I'm not doing that. I can just take me back to the prison. I'm not doing that. Really? Well, I'm going to drop you off here and you could think about it. It's the courthouse in Clifton, Arizona. What's wrong with the courthouse? man

females I thought you said you didn't want to be dropped off I don't want to be dropped off there so I could I could go back to raking rocks on the yard for 10 cents an hour I could be in the community and so there's good looking women at the courthouse like it's easy to get in trouble

and my job is as what they call a porter which is basically you're the janitor I start off cleaning the toilets at the courthouse and I just do what I do I clean the toilets I go empty the trash And so now you're in the county assessor's office. You're in the county of the clerk office.

You're around all kinds of information. There's phones. And all of a sudden, like, you're in a place of high access. So, like in prison, like people are like, hey, hit me up. Can you make a call? Could you do this? Could you do that? I'm like, no, fuck that.

I'm not doing that. So there's a lot of pressure that came with being in that place. just not from just the temptation, but other people in the pin are like asking you for favors and stuff. Right. And I'm like, no, fuck all that. And so you got to deal with that. And you take a hard line and people take, take that as like not friendly. So, you know, like you go toe to toe a couple times just to prove your point like, that's not me. But I did a good job and they're like, you're upstairs now. They bring me in. And so it's a correctional officer. And then there's the County Sheriff is there.

So they bring me in to meet the judge. Now, I don't even remember the judge's name, but he's older and he's like, all right, boy, I want you to make this shine. Like the courthouse is probably from like the 1930s or 40s. Everything is wood. The benches are wood. Like, it's beautiful. I mean, for a courtroom, it's serene. It looks like something out of, you know, one of the movies from the 50s, you know.

like it's beautiful. Hand-carved wood. So I sit there and for like a week, I just polish wood. I polish wood benches. I polish judges bench. Like I just make it shine. I'd have to stop cleaning though because they'd bring somebody in to be sentenced

or they'd have court and I'd come right back. And that actually turned out to be like my permanent post as a day porter. For how long? For the rest of the time I was there. So probably a year and a half, close to two years. So when I walked out of prison, I think I had just under $1,200 saved up. I paroled to my brother's house. My sister-in-law, her aunt happened to run a couple of McDonald's in Tucson.

So before I paroled, I wrote her letter. I said, hey, I need a job. I'm going to need a job. I want to stay out. I never want to come back here. So, you know, my dream is to get married, have 2.5 kids' house. Why picket fence and go on vacation? Like, that's what I dream.

Like, that's, that's what I want. So that's exactly what wound up happening. I'm working flipping burgers and McDonald's, and so I go try and get a job as a behavioral health tech. The companies called Cope Behavioral Services. And their tagline, and this is important, we give people a chance. And the guy's like, we don't hire ex-cons.

I'm like, well, why wouldn't you? And so I sit outside this guy, his name is Pat Bencheck. And I sit out, as you walk in, and there's like the receptionist and then his office is right there. So I just sit there for hours. I like do my schoolwork. She's like, he's not going to see you.

I'm like, that's okay. I'm going to keep coming here until he sees me. She's like, go up to human resources. So I go up to human resources. They're like, they're like,

we're going to call the cops on you. Go ahead, call the cops on me. Like I've never been in jail before. I'm like, here, here's, here's my probation officer's number.

Like, why won't you hire me? Like, my sister's watching the mentally ill. I'm going to school to be a social worker. Like, why won't you give me a chance? The human resource says, you make a good point. I don't know.

Let's go see Mr. Bencheck. So we come down there and he's like, oh, you? I'm like, yeah, oh, me. Do you even know who I am? I said, I have a heart for people. You don't even know my story, but you already judge me. And isn't your tagline we give people a chance? I've been sitting outside your office for two and a half months and you walk back me like I'm nobody.

But I'm somebody and I'll be somebody for your company. he'll be the most amazing employee you ever had. And by the way, you know that you can get paid half of my salary because I'm an ex-con, like the government will pay? Oh, okay, you're hired. So I get hired. Right. And so now I start working a whole bunch, like 16-hour shifts.

And it's the craziest thing. It's like a little mini-state hospital. I'm assigned to this one place and this guy, he's in a wheelchair. He robs the liquor stores and he can drink and get drunk so fast. He's in a wheelchair. So my job is to keep the guy from drinking. This is my whole job is like this sobriety apartment. There's three guys.

And my job is to like be their adult babysitter and keep them from like getting shit-faced. And so that's what I do. I make a bunch of overtime. I get married. I have a house wedding to my my wife at the time who's known my ex-wife. I have three beautiful kids. And I go to school. As I go to school, one day the supervisor, his name is Paul.

He's like, hey, you want to go on an airplane? I'm like, I'd love to go on an airplane. So we go on an airplane and he stalls out and we're with like we've been up all night We go to this place called Jeff's Pub. We have some breakfast. He takes us out on this airplane. He's a pilot And I'm like dude if you do that one more time because he takes it up the plane goes up It kills the engine and it drops and so the bottom of your stomach comes up to the back of your throat And he's laughing and people are barfing in bags and stuff I haven't barfed yet But I'm like don't ever do that again

so what does he do? He does it again. So we land and we get out and he's laughing. And everyone's sick. And so I throat punch him. And I'm like, you're an asshole. He's like, you could lose your job. I'm like, why do you think it's funny to take pain in other people's misery? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? He's like, oh, I'm sorry. Like, I didn't realize that. I'm like, well, now you do. good thing you could still breathe. So he becomes a good friend of mine. He's like, hey, like you got a kid coming on the way. Well, no shit.

He's like, you need a job in the hospital. He's like, he could get paid $12.50 in the hospital. I'm working at inpatient psych unit. I'm like, yeah, I want that job. So I go there and they're like, we don't hire ex-cons. I'm like, oh, I know this. I go there again. We don't hire ex-cons.

Okay. Can you put that in writing? If you'll stop coming here, I'll put it in. writing. She puts it in writing. I'm like, thank you, Jesus. So I go to the public library. I look up the law. It says we're a protected class, 1964, civil liberties. I type up everything. I type up the lawsuit. And I call a lawyer, an ambulance chaser. And I'm like, hey, you want to make an easy $500? He's like, what do I got to do? I'm like, you got to sign your name on this piece of paper that I typed up. And you have to come to me with, and sit there and say not a word as my lawyer

for human resources. So here's this. You send this certified to human resources for the hospital in Tucson. I won't name the hospital. And then when we have a sit down, like all you got to do

is not say a word. That's all I need you. Like don't think, don't speak, let me talk. You think you could do that? He's like, well, I'm not doing it for $500. I'm like, I'll give you $1,000.

Now, I make $8.50 an hour. This is, I got to do 160 hours overtime for, to pay you $1,000. So if you fuck me, we're going to have a problem. Do you understand? He's like, okay, I just like, $500 for the letter. I send it. Then I sit there and I shut up. Yep, that's the deal.

Okay, we go there, slide across the desk to human resources. The lawyer looks at me. He's like, this is a lawsuit for $100,000. I'm like, yeah, and you're going to pay it. and here's why there's an exhibit there he's like who are you i'm like i'm going to be your perfect employee that's who i'm going to be like just leave me alone like i just need a job i need a chance to raise my kid so they do what was their motto was their motto we give people a chance also oh they they just i don't know their their motto is like a hospital they're they're like a nuclear

power plant they're very regulated so like you're an ex-con even if it's my my crime was theft by control class three class four felony non dangerous non repetitive like i never got charged for like trying to sell the drugs you know right i got the bullet but not the felony so i go to work in inpatient psych and so for three years that's how i put myself through nursing school nursing school is meant to break people because you have to think critically under stress like you're saving people's lives And so nursing is one of the most honored, like JD Powers, two plus decades. They're the profession that has the most integrity. I recently found out, too, that the nurses are some of the ones that cheat the most, too.

Interesting facts I didn't know until recently. It was surreal. Like, I went to nursing school to help people. And so I'm going to go to California because I don't think I can get licensed in Arizona because of my conviction. So I sign up with this company called Supplemental Health Care. out of New York, and they're like, hey, we got a job, but we don't know if you'll take it. I'm like, what is it? They're like, well, you're going to be passing meds to parolees.

I'm like, oh, well, that's easy. My people. Yeah, that's my people. Like, let's go. So I'm like, okay, where do I need to go? They're like, you need to go over here. It's in Salinas, California. And you're going to go to DVI, dual vocational institute.

I'm like, cool. So I drive there. I realized I'm walking into a prison. Well, they said parolees, so you thought they were out already. Yeah, yeah. I didn't think, like, I've been in prison. I didn't think I was walking into prison to work as a nurse. And the place looks like a dungeon.

It's built in the 50s. It's like three stories. And so I walk in there. I'm like, holy shit. Wow, we're not in Kansas anymore. So I walked down and there's this Filipino guy, and he says something. and I say something in Tagalog.

I don't even remember like, I'm like, oh shit, like in like a Filipino. And the guy's like, oh, you'll fit right in. And so what we're doing is we're doing physicals on all the people coming in. And so we could see like 90 to 140 people. And so I wound up being there for about a month. And then I'm like, I just, I'm not feeling this. It was just chaos. And I just couldn't function.

So I was like, hey, you got to send me somewhere else. and they're like, well, there's no other place to send you. But maybe we could get you reassigned. And they're like, like you're an LPN. Like when you become an RN, we'll get you a better gig. Okay. So I wound up spending some time there about a month. And then I transfer.

They're like, hey, we could send you to Salinas Valley, state prison. It's maximum security, though. I'm like, okay. So I wind up moving there. I rent a fifth wheel in this preacher's backyard. And so it was called Prune Tucky. I don't even remember. It's like right outside Hollister, right in that area of California.

So I wound up commuting to this prison, and I wound up walking into a maximum security level four prison. And so I'm sitting there, and I'm like, holy shit, this is pretty real. No, I'm not doing this. I'm like, I can't do this. So they send me, like, can I have my old job back? And like, it doesn't work that way. Yeah, what can't, I was going to say,

what's the problem with being in the prison? Like, I don't want to go back. Like I said, I'd never walk into prison again. I told myself that. So I feel like I'm walking out. Yeah, well, I, yeah. So I had to change my mindset, man. Like, I couldn't get in the mindset.

I'm like, okay. Got to get up, dress up, and show up. So that's what I do. I go in there. Your maximum security prison, there's an alarm. It goes off. Right, right, right, man down. And this RN looks at me.

She's like, what are you doing there? I'm like, what do you mean? I grab that bag and go. I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Like, save the person's life. Okay, well, this wasn't in the training. So I go there. So this is my first introduction.

So I'm running, you know, and you got a Batman belt on it you got keys and a personal alarm it's like a garage door opener like you carrying 30 pounds and and if you've never been to a prison they have these big brass keys and and it you turn it like this and the key probably weighs close to a pound and you got like 12 of these and you check them out like you're responsible for this and so you got your batman belts and the keys and you go there and all the the correctional officers i think they're like ex football players or ex-ex hockey there's something there's some of the biggest corn fed motherfuckers you ever seen i mean they're just mountain of men i'm like they're six foot like they're just huge and and they got these stab-proof

vest on and so we get there and the guy is bleeding from his neck and so you got the little door cell door there's this guy and he's mouth in the words help me help me and blood squirting on his neck and so i got my bag and i'm ready to do like what a nurse does you know like put pressure and, you know, do something next. And so they're like, pop the door. I remember, like, I start to rush in. I push, I'm so, like, amped up with adrenaline. I knock over to these big corn-fed guys going for the door

because I'm thinking, like, pressure on the neck. And then I feel myself, like, I'm 320 pounds with, like, probably, like, 30 pounds of gear on, like this belt and the stab-proof vest. and this one of the corrections officers I pulled aside he lists me from the back and pins me against like the the concrete wall in between two cell doors he's like you knew ain't you I'm like yeah and he sets me down so they dragged the guy who's passed out bleeding out of his neck at that time and then these guys with these shields come on and these batons and they pile into the cell and they beat the shit out of the guy,

his cell he cut his neck. Right. And I'm fucking clueless about this. I really am. So then I realize, oh, well, now I could,

like, do my thing, like save, save the guy. So I'm putting pressure on his neck and everything. And now there's his walkie talkies going off. Hey, hey,

is this a code 72? I don't know what the hell of code 72 is. So now I'm looking for my book, you know, this got, Life-threatening. Is it life-threatening? I would think so.

I'm like, yeah, Code 72, Code 72. So he drives the ambulance under the yard. They got him, we got them on the neck brace and the thing, putting pressure on. So the R-in comes, and he looks at it. He's like, you're a fucking dumbass. No wonder, you're a contractor. You're a dumbass. You're a piece of shit.

Like, if we didn't need somebody here, you should leave. What a fucking dumbass you are. he's like code code 40 code 40 cancel code 72 now I don't know what the fuck just happened like I think I save somebody's life now I'm a dumb ass and I don't belong there right and I don't know if like if I could crawl under a rock at that point I wanted to crawl under rock like I just and what are you going to do you're going to fucking suck your thumb and curl up in the fetal position like you're in a maximum security level four prison I got to keep the lights on Hey, dumbass.

Like, you gotta go handle that guy. What do you mean I got to handle that guy? Well, they O.Ced him. Like, they tear gassed him and they worked him up. So now I got to medically clear him so they could take him to segregation. I'm like, isn't this a motherfucker? I got to medically treat this guy that just, like, cut this other guy who's not really dying. It's just a flesh wound.

But there's a lot of blood. So, and that's my introduction to, like, correctional nursing. So for the next five weeks, I got stories for days until I learned the, program. And once I learned the program, I became a rock star there. So I get a part-time job at another prison right by there by Salinas Valley State President Soledat, another level four. So I'm doing TB skin test on a correctional officer. He's like, you don't look so good. I don't feel so good. So I have these really bad stomach cramps. I go to the bathroom. I pass out in the bathroom in prison. What was wrong? My colon ruptured.

my colon rupture. I have diverticulitis. Okay. Did you not know that? I didn't. I didn't. Like I'm so in my own head. Like I just ignored the pain.

So I wind up driving myself because I don't want to go by ambulance. It's too expensive. I wind up driving myself to King. Yeah, I'm a stubborn motherfucker. I drive myself to 38 miles to the little rural hospital where I work on the weekend. And I go in there, there's a doctor there that was what they call DNR.

Do not return from the prison. And so this guy's, he's a quack. He shouldn't, you wouldn't let your dog treat him. So he thinks I'm a nurse. He recognizes me from the prison. He thinks I'm seeking drugs. He's like, I'm not giving you any drugs. Like you get the antibiotic and go.

So I drive myself back home and the pain gets worse. I'm renting a room from a correctional officer. The pain is so bad. I'm sweating so much. Like, I want to call 911, but I can't, I'm in bed and I can't reach my cell phone. I could see my cell phone, but I can't reach it. Like, I know I'm going to die. Like, I know I'm in septic shock at that point. So about that time, this little guy, his name is Joe.

He's about your size, about 5-7, 5-8, maybe 160 pounds soaking wet. I call his name, and he's like, you look terrible. Can you get to the car? I'm like, yeah, they told me to go to the clinic. So I crawl, and he drags me to his little Honda Civic, drives me to the hospital there. The clinic attached to the hospital where I'd been in the ER the next. So the PA comes in, it wills me in, you know, 340 pounds, this little guy. That guy, Joe, saved my life that day.

Save my life. Willes me in. Doctor comes in and he's like, hey, we got to take you over to the hospital. So they get a gurney and they will me over to the gurney. that stick me on a cat scan. Now, I know the doctor's there. Like, it's a small farming community. And I work there on the weekends

in the med surgery unit as an RN. And now all three doctors of the community are there. And I'm in so much pain. It feels like someone's just stabbing my stomach with, like, hot knives. Like, I'm just sweating. I'm, like, hallucinating. I'm seeing stars and shit.

And they come out and they say, you had diverticulitis, your colon has ruptured. The fecal matter of your stomach is leaking into your organ, you're going into multi-system organ failure, you're going to die, Mr. Jalus. Who do you want to call? Jesus, fuck.

I couldn't get a hold of my wife. I call my sister. My sister happens to be in Washington. She's like, hey, I'll fly down. And they said, like, there's a chance we could save your life. We can't, we can't fly you. We can't fly you to San Jose. You'll die in transport on the helicopter.

So we're going to fly the surgeon to King City Hospital. We've never done this. I haven't done surgery in like 15 years. Like I'm going to scrub in like all of us. And so I get to talk to my wife at the time and tell her goodbye. We get to talk to my sister and tell her goodbye. Now, here's the impact of influence. When you're a decent human being and you take care of people,

Like one of the correctional officers, he knew that I cared about people. And his brother was a highway patrolman. And so he calls this, and like it's just a small community. So people are calling people, you know. Like, can you believe like this happened and this guy and this guy? And there's the other doctor, you know, that like medical malpractice, absolutely. But so somebody calls somebody, I don't know all the details. But there's this one correctional officer that knew of me.

His brother was like somebody high in the highway patrol. and they call, and they find a, because they're missing an anesthesiologist. They can't get somebody to put me to sleep. So there's a nurse anesthetist. It's an advanced practice nurse that can put people asleep, a nurse anesthetist. So they shut down Highway 1, and as fast as the highway patrol can drive with this nurse anesthetist, they drive that guy there. And so he comes in, and all these nurses are like, they're crying, they're praying over me,

and like, I'm just, like, I'm in and out of consciousness. And the unit manager is just like, we have a problem. I'm like, what's the problem? Like, well, we need to stick in a Foley catheter and none of us want to know it to do it because we work with you. I think to myself, I'm fucking dying and you're carrying about like if you're going to see my dick and stick a catheter in. Right. About then, like, it's like something out of a movie. Like in walks this muscular male nurse practitioner.

He's like, I got you, bro. Like he's like, you're not dying. today. You're not going to die today. I don't know how long. It was like 14 or 16 hours. I wake up in the little four-bed ICU. I wake up and I open my eyes. I kind of see my sister out of the corner of my eye and I can't feel anything. Like I know I'm breathing, but I can't feel anything from my like legs down. And I start choking. They had stuck an Ingy tube down and they hadn't got it into my stomach. It was curled up in the back of my throat. Okay. And I can only move my hands, but they got like IVs and stuff. So the nurse realizes this and pulls out the NG tube and I can

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I recover. They re-ask to, they take the colostomy. I don't have to shit out the side of my stomach. You know, they pass you back together. I go back to work in the prisons in California. I go to a place called Dual Vocational Institute. First prison I wound up. I go there.

About this time I read a book called Rich Dad Portad. Robert Kiyosaki. And I'm like, man, I don't like having a boss. So I do something innovative. I'm really big on bringing care where there's care has not been able to be there. So I do telemedicine, like a video doctor visit. But like this is like this is 2013. Like COVID hasn't even begun to like think about this.

But I'm thinking about it because I'm a trailblazer. So I do this with rehab. So people, they have a declining condition. and they lose function to their hands. So they might be, receive exercises from an occupational therapist or physical therapy, like they have a decline in their breathing. And so they train them on how to breathe. And so I create this model of care.

I hire this attorney like Nate Lackman. He's the expert. He's here in Florida on telemedicine law. And so I create this model of care in this gray area of health care. It's not restricted. It's not, it's not prohibitive. like the law is silent. I put all the safe harbor, like do all the right things,

and I go. And I go and I go. And I keeps the lights on. And about the time I start to like get good at it, I hire a friend of mine who's a nurse practitioner and we scale it. And one of my competitors scales it at the same time in a totally different business model. And it flags the system for utilization.

So I get this call from my CFO. and he says, hey, you got to get here. I'm like, man, I'm like, he's like, you've got to get here now. I didn't pay us. So I go there, $600,000 didn't get paid. Now my payrolls, my payrolls 500,000 every week. So that hurts. And I got about 1.7 in the bank, 1.7 million.

So I get a call about this time. It's from the FBI. Mr. Jalice, we want to interview you. Fuck you. Fuck you. I call my lawyer. Hey, what's going on? So I get a call from another one of my competitors. She's like, I'm like, Jenna. Like, this is what's going on. She's like the FBI showed up at our office. I'm like, well, let's compare notes. Like, we're not competitors now. Like, we're people of interest. So she describes her model of care. I describe mine. They're totally different. The only thing that's different is we both pushed at the same time, and we got good at it,

where none of our competitors were. So the long story short of it is all the care that I was providing had to be pre-approved. Like the government had to say, you could do this. You could do this, you could, based on the model of care that you've put forth, based upon the physician's order, based upon the packet that was reviewed by the senior claims medical examiner. like this is approved. So I didn't do anything nefarious. Like I just followed the rules.

But the government's consistently inconsistent. And because they're consistently inconsistent, they just decided they didn't want to do this because it was costing them too much money. So they killed the code. Cut it off. So you're left there with your dick in your hand. Like, now what?

Well, men have these defining moments in their life. And my defining moment is in March of, 2017. My wife at the time had come to work for me. We were just very unhappy. And so the employees came to me at that time and said, her or us. And you're sitting there as a man.

And you're like, has my life come to this? Her or them? And like, like, got to keep the lights on. So I called the cops and I had by, uh, wife escorted out of the building. I chose my employees. May comes around. That's when the Office of Inspector General shows up, the FBI,

and everything's in flames. And because the FBI is there, like, something must be wrong. You must be doing something wrong. So all the employees start to leave. And then you realize, like, the first choice was the wrong choice. And it's pretty surreal. And I've been trying to sell the business for two years.

and hadn't been able to sell it. And so somebody came in and they sat down and said, well, you know, you want half a million dollars. You want to, you want to, one point two for it. Because this is a, this company's 22 million in revenue with like 400 employees. It just got cut off at the knees, like, overnight. And so I'm still like a $12 million company, but I'm broke as a man.

Like, I'm just broke psychologically. So this guy comes in and says, well, this is what we could do. like this is what the business is worth is probably worth half a million um you got 600,000 in the bank, take 300,000 of your own money. We'll pay you 500,000. We'll give you 200,000 up front. Here, take the other 100,000, put it in an account for us. You can go on holiday and we'll clean up. So that's what I did. I went to the Bahamas for two weeks. I came back. They cleaned house. and I started selling for them. Like they had a hospice in Phoenix.

And so a person in Hollywood, will just say, lives in Beverly Hills, supported the whole thing. And so she calls me, she invites me to her house to, like, tell my side of the story in this maniacal doctor. The doctor actually winds up committing

health care fraud. Okay. I find out. So I report them. Okay. I report them because, because we're seeing, sitting there is COVID's winding down. My friend

gives a male nurse practitioner Chinese. I'm like, hey, like protect yourself. Always use a lawyer. So it turns out that this doctor had set us up to be the Patsies with our national provider identification number, like our billing

number. Like we were the fall guys. So he calls me and he's like, I can't solve this problem. I'm like, there's no problem to solve here, Kevin. Just on the most like fifth grade level, this is over utilization of health care. The guy had taken these high-risk homebound patients.

There's like 6,000 of them. And he had created like 12 medical practices around it, psychology practice, cardiology practice, nephrology, just any specialist in health care, you just had ology, or ologist, urologist, pulmonologist, cardiologist, so you get it. So he created all these medical practices within, a medical practice, and he was seeing all the same patients, overutilization, healthcare fraud. That's what it is.

Right. And so he's overbilling. Overbilling, absolutely. Overbilling. And the patients, the powers of attorney and everything are complaining about it. Meanwhile, he's out here having me as head of business development buying hospices and bolting on other things so he can grow his fraud. And so I find out about this.

I'm like, we're going to solve this problem right now. So I'm talking to the revenue cycle management guy. I get Kevin, I'm like, I go to the CFO. I'm like, we're having a meeting right now, the board of directors. We're having a meeting. I don't own any part of this company, but I'm not going to be a part of it. This needs to stop right now. So this, you know, this guy, he was in the Air Force.

He's decorated. He's a physician. He just lost his way. So I just greed. So he's sitting there shaking his finger at me. And I'm sitting there shaking his finger at me. And I'm sitting in a chair. And now I have a concealed carry.

It's Arizona. It's still the Wild West. I'm sitting there. And I'm looking at this guy, like, shaking his finger, yelling at me. And he knows my story. And I just, like, have a deja vu out of body experience. And I'm like, yep, I'm out of here. Like, that's not happening.

I'm having thought, you know. Thinking about smacking him in the head. No, I'm thinking about cap in his ass. Oh, okay. Like, my gun's right there. I just pop. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm leaving immediately. So I go to the Outback Steakhouse. I have a glass of wine. I type up my resignation. I call my friend, the attorney. He's like, yeah, that's all bad. Like, this is what you need to do. I said, okay.

So I did. I meet the revenue cycle man. I say, hey, I quit. He's like, well, I need to hang around. Well, I'm like, well, gather data. Let's do a whistleblower or something. Turns out the FBI. had been onto this guy following him for years.

Oh, okay. So, so no whistleblower there, but it was, it was, it was pivotal. And so that was my forelay. That was the first, like, health care thing, like, I actually reported. And it was $50 million, and he's in federal prison right now in Tucson, Arizona, down the street for me about 11 miles. How much time did you get? Two years. Jesus.

Well, seems worth it. Yeah, so they, I think he, you know, and whether they inflated the 50 million or not, he pled guilty, I think, to like 3.2 or 3.8 million dollars. Yeah, okay. That's what I was going to say. And healthcare fraud. That's what he got. Yeah, that's probably what he.

But he. Pocketed or overbilled. Yeah, or they probably negotiated down to that, to be honest with you. Well, it may have been 20 million. You know what? He brought in a bunch of other health care providers into the ecosystem. Right. So as I see months later, I see these other people that were associated with them get popped.

Like there's one case in Arizona they were doing, like if you, if you're overweight, you have poor circulation, varicose veins, it causes stroke, that kind of thing. So they rotor your veins and your legs. Right. And so a vascular surgeon in Tucson and stuff, some podiatrists, they had to pay a bunch of money. This is, I think, in the almost a hundred hundred. hundred million, you know, so, so I'm sure he sang and gave him some stuff. I don't know that to be true. I just know that there was, yeah, there was a lot. So I ran with Stan. I keep running. I keep working out, looking good. I'm feeling good. And I'm like, my 25 year anniversary is coming up.

I planned a trip to Paris. Our 20 year anniversary, I planned that same trip. We didn't go because my wife broke her foot at the time. Who's now my ex-wife? Fast forward to 2020. Fast forward to 2020. like I'm done being punished for that mistake. And so I decided I'm going to leave my marriage. But I don't do it in an honorable way. My mom, dad separated. He's dying in Texas. So my mom's like, come out.

I'm estranged from my mom. You know, I haven't talked to her for probably five or six years. It's just just the stuff from the childhood. So I go out there and I meet this man of God who's like, he is such a gift. kind soul. This is a guy. He's wait for a heart transplant. He's got an external heart keeping him available.

And my mom can't find her glass, her water, her water glass. And with all this guy's strength, he takes his glass with both hands. We're in the ICU. He's got an external heart keeping him alive. He's like, again. And there's not a dry eye in that room. The love of this man. man on his deathbed,

was my mom that much. I'm like, I want that type of love. I'm going to go find that type of love. The next day, I get a friend request on Facebook. I'm like, isn't this interesting?

That friend request is now my current wife. How do you know her? How did you know her? So she owned a cleaning company and she cleaned my business for years. Oh, okay. A week before I walk out on my marriage,

this is May 8th, 22. I make breakfast. So I make this nine-course meal, and I'm like, she's probably exhausted being a single mom, four kids. I make orange juice with vodka, screwdriver, and so we sit down, and she's like overwhelmed by like all of this, like bravado, you know, that's what it was. And she goes to take the drink of the glass, and she's like, I can't drink this, I'm a recovering alcoholic. Can you imagine? That's the first time like you're, like I've never dated anyone since like I've been out of prison. This is my first interaction with like a female that I'm very interested in. And like how could you walk into the wall any faster or harder? So a week later, I walk out on my

marriage. And the rest they say is history. But not quite. So here we are. I now am in a new relationship. I move in with my uncle. About seven weeks later, I move into her house, and I start doing life with her. I start the medical practice because the doctor's left the building because I told people I'm getting a divorce. So everyone's worried about something, but they won't say anything. So I take a part-time job to pay my divorce attorney because I can't take money out of this state. So I take a job working for this company called Dunn ADHD.

And so I go to the interview. There's like about 110 people on the interview. And this guy comes on, he's like, hey, I'm the lawyer for Dun ADHD. We're under investigation by the Department of Justice, but don't worry. All of a sudden, there's only two people on the Zoom call, myself and some other person, a person of color that has like nine syllables in their last name. I'm like, well, I need a job. I've got to pay the divorce attorney, so I'm not going anywhere.

So I start doing these intakes for Dunn ADHD. And so I meet all these interesting people that just want anonymity. Celebrities, judges, lawyers, linemen, you know, they're just people trying to get through the day. And I'm the gatekeeper to control substances. And so I'm like, like, I just have integrity. So I get really good at screening people. I have ADHD, so I know what it is. I know when someone's lying to me.

And the more I'm in this job, I'm like, why are they collecting insurance cards? This doesn't make any sense. Because it's cash. It's a cash-based subscription. So why are they collecting people's insurance card? And it just, it gets funny. The more questions I ask, the more like under somebody's thumb. And I'm somebody that I just can't.

I'm like a dog with a bone. I won't leave it alone. I eventually tell my fiancé, you know, who becomes my wife, I'm like, I'm leaving. This is not good. Like, there's nothing good about this. I started a business. It was called Victory Medical Solutions. I sell half the company in 2017.

Fast forward to 2022. We have an employee who's a manager. She leaves and files a whistleblower case, unbeknownst to us, for overbilling. So the FBI investigates for two years, and then they wind up doing a settlement, the Department of Justice. Civil settlement without admitting guilt, and the fine is $9.9 million. Now, I pretty much have been a silent partner in this business because they pushed me out. And so I was business development, you know, and then I would coordinate things as a nurse practitioner. But I really am in a consulting role.

Like I don't have any control over bank accounts or any of the day-to-day stuff. So I'm like, hey, you know, I call them up. I'm like, I need the financial data. Like, we're going to be in contempt of court. Like, they're going to come and put me in the Pima County jail because I haven't given the financial data to the company to like my, to the, to my wife's like attorney. Like, you got to give it to me.

It's not a choice. So they do. Like three hours before the divorce mediation hearing, we get about 60% of the documents. So mediation comes, it leaves. In February, I start looking at the financial data. I'm in trouble. Okay.

The reason why is because the data they gave me does not match the data that the lawyer gave the Department of Justice. So they gave the Department of Justice fake books? Okay. Yeah. And I'm along for this ride. You know, I'm 50% owner of this company, but I don't control anything. So during my time doing some consulting and stuff, I came across a gentleman named Barry Minkow.

And Barry Minkow is a very interesting individual. We talk about business. He has ADHD. and he just finds me interesting. And so I've had some interesting conversations. I come to become friends with him. So I'm like, hey, you're, you're, you know this financial stuff, man. I need some help here.

Like, I don't know what lawyer to get. Like, they're in all these states. Like, I don't know how to navigate this. He's like, I'll help you. In February, he, I pay for this, this audit. So two CPAs audit the books that they gave me and compared to what I had from this whole thing with the Department of Justice, you know, and working with this lawyer. And so it turns out like $40 million has been embezzled over this eight years.

We've been business partners. On top of that, they didn't pay taxes, like to the tune of $15 million. And they've leveraged the business with account factoring. So this is their M.O. For two decades, these guys, they come in. They buy a company. They roll it up into another company. They use the new funds from the old company.

They lean it with merchant cash advances, pay off the old fraud, rents, and repeat. Okay. So they've done this twice. They did it in Texas. And they sold it to a public company. They did it again. And so I'm like the only, and so they, there was like when we went to go sell to venture capital in 2021, there was probably like 12 different partners, you know, in the network.

I'm the only one left. They bought everybody else out. But I won't go away because I'm worried about the Department of Justice. My lawyer's like, don't lose your voice. Like, do not sell. Like, do not sell. Like, you stay in this until, like, that civil judgment is signed. I didn't even sign the civil judgment.

Like, I was excluded from some conversations with a lawyer. Like, I didn't, I just didn't know. So when Barry and his team does this fraud audit, I'm like blown away. So he's like, you need an attorney. You need a criminal attorney. So I hire a criminal attorney, a D.C. guy, a solid guy. Allendale is his name. He looks at it and he says, well, look, if this is the truth, like you got one choice,

you could like just wait it out or you could be proactive and report it. but there's nothing that I'm going to do here for you. I'm like, well, I always tell the truth, so the truth will set you free indeed. So I take all this information, the fraud report, and I give it to the Department of Justice. I give it to the IRS. And I give it, and I give it.

And I file a civil RICO suit in Arizona, and I win. How long ago was this? This is, I win in March of 2024, but in state court. Now, the criminal attorney recommended this brilliant business attorney in Phoenix. He's 82 years old, and so we won the temporary restraining order. The employees couldn't get paid, and he and his paralegal missed the other brief. So the defendants filed a motion to invalidate the temporary restraining order because the employees couldn't get paid. So they have an emergency hearing and they reverse the TRO I just won.

Then they try and move it to some other forum in a complex civil business litigation. And basically they're going to bury me over time because they have a war chest. And my divorce goes through March 18th. My fiance is like, I'm yours now. Like we're going to go get married. So we go get married in Vegas. On 4-6 of 2024, we get married. And Barry is my best man at my wedding.

A little drive-up wedding. And so now the David and Goliath battle ensues. And I discover more fraud. I dig in. Like I'm a proactive fraud investigator. So done ADHD, November of 2025, Ruthia, he and Dr. David Rukowski, I think, I can't remember his last name. They were both convicted of that $100 million fraud.

Like I called it. The fraud with the physician, I called it. I know health care fraud. I spot it. I see it. I report it. So about this time, I developed this friendship with Barry and he's like, hey, I'm doing this real estate fraud. But I need somebody to bounce the idea off of.

I need them to look at it. I need, like I just need another set eyes. I'm like, well, my dad was a real estate broker. I did private money lending. I lost $3 million in 08. So like I really understand, I understand complex corporate structure. I understand all these things that are my life. February 18th is my pretrial conference for this company that now has over 2,000 employees

and over $100 million in revenue. And so that's the David and Goliath. fight that has been my life. And part of rediscovering who I am as a person and as an entrepreneur is learning to deal with trauma of the past as we took a break about how you came to tell other people's stories of true crime. And this is amazing podcast. Is that everyone has a voice. And that voice is what's so powerful. It changes the legacy of a man of a generation. Like, I can talk to somebody and know what it means to lose $40 million. Like, for doing the right thing.

Like, I did the right thing. I didn't do anything. And I'm the victim of a $40 million fraud. What we do at fraud and order, Barry and I, we are proactive fraud uncoverers. We do whistleblowing to government agencies for right now real estate fraud and some health care fraud. Like, victim impact matters, like how you remember, like what you bring to this world, what you do with it, how you make a difference in this world, says everything about you.

And not with just your words, but with your actions. And I can be found at fraudorder.co, fraud order.co, we help victims, we don't charge victims. We work on the recovery. Maybe the government will pay us at some point, and the world goes round and round. Thank you. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, if you want to get in touch with Titus, you can go to the description box, go in there. We're going to leave all his contact information. We're going to leave his links in there so you can click there.

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