Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - NYC Flight Attendant Reveals What Happened Inside The Airports on 911

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

NYC Flight Attendant Reveals What Happened Inside The Airports on 911

I could see from the Jet Bridge, I could see the World Trade, you know, it was burning. I saw something hit it. As I'm walking through the airport, I'm watching the flight attendants running through the airport, screaming, it's us, it's us. I had no idea it was American that had hit the towers. You know that L.A. flight? I said, yeah. He goes, we were never going anywhere. He says, this was a sting operation by the FBI. They took a few guys connected with the hijacking off the L.A. flight at the next game.

I was on flight one from JFK to L.A. that morning. The FBI told me that we were supposed to hit the Sears Tower in Chicago that morning. Once the service was over, one of the marshals walked up front first class, and I followed him up there. And I said, okay, what's going on? He said, well, he does, if you want the truth. He said they're part of a terrorist cell that we're watching. And this was six years later. Okay.

There's so much that people don't know. No. Okay. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Carol Hellerman. She has a contradictory story to the national or the historic narrative of 9-11. She's got a lot of interesting, a lot of interesting and contradictory. situations or events that occurred and we're going to talk to her about it and it's going to be a super interesting interview and so i appreciate you guys watching check it out let's let's start real quick

like with you know where you were raised how you became that sort of thing okay so how how where were you raised okay i was raised on long island i'm a true new yorker okay I grew up and didn't realize the job that I had wanted since I was 12 years old until I was 40. I didn't become a flight attendant until I was 40. I basically raised my daughter and then became a flight attendant and a year and a half into my new job. 9-11 happened. Oh, wow. So I was on a flight at Kennedy Airport.

We were scheduled at 9 o'clock to leave to go from JFK to L.A. And obviously about quarter after, I'm sorry, quarter till 9, the plane hit the world trade. I was directing at the front door of the airplane, and which means, you know, I was showing, it was a big plane, so I was showing which side of the plane for the people to go on. And the agent came down and she pulled me off the plane and said, look at this. And she pulled me off. And I could see from the jet bridge, I could see the whole trade, you know, it was burning. I saw something hit it from the jet bridge.

Well, you say the agent. You mean the agent with the airline. Yeah, with American Airlines. Yeah, the gay agent. So I was like, oh, wow, you know. And my first thought was everybody else's thought, oh, some poor guy had a heart attack and a small plane and, you know, you don't really. think that at that point that's exactly well I actually remember thinking like wow like

how would how did how could that have happened like those plant those buildings are so like you know I was like like it had you know I remember thinking something's definitely wrong like you wouldn't accidentally hit that like you know you're right like maybe there was a pilot something went wrong I thought it was an accident right thought it was an accident that maybe had a lot of attack and right exactly like something there was definitely not like oh you clipped the building it was like no there's no way to miss those buildings something definitely you know like you said somebody became just incapacitated or something yeah so um i go back on the plane and i run to the back to the back to tell the other flight attendants in the back of the plane you know that the plane hit the building whatever um then i go back up front and i get a captive make an announcement. Captain says, ladies and gentlemen, due to an air disaster, our flight's been canceled. First thing I want you to do is say a prayer. Second thing I want to do is pick up your luggage and leave quietly. I was like, wow, they can see this. Okay. So meanwhile, I'm not thinking

anything's going on. I'm just, you know, so all of a sudden, three or four Middle Eastern men came up to the front of the airplane with everybody else who were declining and started arguing with my purser the purser is a lead flight attendant who handles like any problems on the flight and they were saying you can't cancel this and they were like basically getting really angry with her you know meanwhile we don't think anything because nothing like that's ever have i mean you know you're not thinking anything about it you know they were just angry they couldn't go you know So they get off the plane, everybody's the planes, and believe it or not, I was probably the last person in America to know that what was going on. Because what we did is we stayed on the airplane, the flight attendants, and said, well, you know, sometimes if things cancel, scheduling, you know, with American will put you on something else or, you know, so we were wondering what, you know, what was going to happen with us that day.

so all of a sudden the gate agent runs back on the plane and she says another plane hit the world trade and one hit panagon she goes you need to go you need to get off the plane they lock down kennedy airport and you need to go to operations um all um airports that have a hub have an operations for flight attendants which is a room you know where we can stay and you know hang out TV and whatever, you know, the little lounge for the flight attendants. So we all went up to operations and basically the plane, the, we watched the planes fall on the TV, you know, and you could have heard a pin drop and it was just, right, I was talking. Then they said, okay, it's, they're throwing everybody out of Kennedy, they're evacuating Kennedy, you all have to leave. So we were thrown out. It was a lot going on. When I walked to operations, I had no idea what was going on when they, you know, locked down Kennedy. As I'm walking through the airport, I'm watching the flight attendants running through the airport

screaming, it's us, it's us. I had no idea it was American that had hit the towers. So as a New Yorker, as a brand new flight attendant, and they, they hit my company, they hit my city, they, I was just so angry. I did not get scared. I was just mad. So when I went home, like the next day, I called our schedulers and said, I will fly for you. You put me on the next flight going anywhere. I you know I want to help out so the next day um they got me a trip to San Francisco and I said okay well what position because every flight attendant has a position that

gives you responsibilities of what you do on the airplane so um they said what positions do you want and that a year and a half you don't get stuff like that you just get what's left over because you're dental. It all does my seniority. So I get to the plane. Well, actually, I get to Kennedy. I go into operations to sign in, so they know I'm there from our trip. I sign in, and I find out that there were three flights that are going out that night. San Francisco, Miami, and L.A.

and if you think about it now like later on I thought about it those were all places to escape from the U.S. that weren't the East Coast where the terrorists were all concentrated if you understand what I'm saying so we as I'm walking to my flight there's an LA flight over to the right of me that day to the right to I'm sorry to the left of me As a walking bite, I see all kinds of commotion going on. There was, like, Port Authority cops. There was, like, everything going on, but I just continued to walk to my flight.

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and they said, well, we're brand new and, you know, we're on probation. They told us if we didn't do the flight that, you know, they would fire us, which is... So I basically had a year and a half had to take like half of them under my way and show them what to do on the plane. Anyway, so all of a sudden,

we're delayed a little while. The captain comes on and he says, ladies and gentlemen, due to air traffic, our plane has been our plane is it's been delayed the flight's been delayed so i look at the other flight attendant and i say nobody's up there what's he talking about air traffic so all of a sudden people who are on their phones all the passengers and they're like we heard that they found um people with box cutters and knives knives on the la flight next to you know at the other gate and blah blah and i basically took control and said that

look until the captain tells us what's going on you know everything's okay just you know hang out so after about another half an hour the captain comes back on and he says ladies and gentlemen our flights been canceled so i'm like okay great so um a deplane what why what do you know why it was canceled because of the i'll tell you why it was canceled okay all right um so we we waited by behind, like the flight attendants who were working the flight, and there were other flight attendants on the plane who wanted to go home to San Francisco, so they were just riding, like, with the passengers. So we all stayed behind. We're talking. Passengers are long gone through the terminal by the time we leave. We get off the plane. We come out. We start to walk down the terminal, and somebody, I don't know who it was, yells, turn around and run. So we start running down the end of the terminal. I'm standing next to the Captain. I said, what the hell's going on now? He goes, you know that LA flight? He said, yeah. He goes, we were never going anywhere. He says, this was this was a sting operation by the FBI. They took a few guys connected with the hijacking off the LA flight at the next gate. They told the pilots. I didn't tell the flight attendants. I had no idea. Okay. So, um, we waited down there until somebody told us that we could, walked by. As I was walking, I saw a manager that I know, American manager, take the flight attendants from the L.A. flight into a little room. It's a debrief room. And he took them in there. And if you

could have seen their faces, they looked like somebody shot them. I mean, they look shook up, just awful um so i continued to walk down to get to my car of the home and as i looked at the gate where the la flight was there was a fbi swat team guy standing at the door with a rifle right okay so my thing is i don't know how they got away with that without it coming out nobody it was never reported although however my mother was watching TV and she called me that night and, you know, I told her we didn't leave. I called her on the way, you know, back to my home. And she said, I was wondering, she goes, I was watching TV and the news cut in and said,

Justin from Kennedy Airport, she goes, and then they cut to a commercial and they never came back to it on the TV. So I'm like, that's interesting. So basically, you know, that happens. habit. So then I go and decide to, um, volunteer again to do with other flight. Actually, I have to, I have to say something. Why I thought with the bridges and the tunnels and you know, New York was locked down. I was going to say. Yeah. What? I was going anywhere on an airplane like the day after my 11 is beyond me. I just

didn't think about it, I guess. Yeah. When you were saying that, I was thinking. into myself it was everything was closed for like a week uh four days four days because on the fourth day i um i got a flight i brought one of i rode they call it deadheading i rode on a plane i deadheaded to san diego and brought the first transcon back from san diego to new york um this is now this is where i get my information i'm on the plane we'll work we're working the flight and in captain, there's a employee captain riding on the plane to New York. He's not working it. So the captain comes to the back and he starts talking to us.

And he says, yeah, he goes, I was on flight one from JFK to L.A. that morning. The FBI told me that we were supposed to hit the Sears Tower in Chicago that morning. And then he asked me if I had any information. And I told him, why didn't you talk to? the flight attendants what he asked me for they were out there with the people you know so i said really you're on flight one i said so is on and he told me that the fbi told him that there was a target for every building in the u.s this is what he told me okay like i said this is what the captain told me i had no idea that i was supposed to hit to see his tower that morning on my flight um but

putting together why these middle-lister men were arguing with my purser, kind of, you know, he kind of put the pieces together after a while and, you know, basically that tied it all in together. So. Um, so the, the TMZ documentary, you know, goes over some of this. Right. Um, like, is that, is that when you decided, like, you were going to. go ahead and no I had talked to Jesse who is my publicist I talked to him way before the TMZ thing came out and I had post-traumatic stress so I really didn't want to do this right

basically said to me you really need to do this after that came out because I'd basically told him I don't know I don't think I can do this then after the fifth plane came out he said you really need to do this look other people are finally coming forward with this information so no it wasn't based on that because i had told him that way before right before the TMZ came out so yeah but there were other flight attendants um that i know that told me that there were um that morning at a JFK they were fly in london and they said that there were suspicious people on their flight to that they thought they were going to be hijacked also when they thought about it later on.

It was all over. There was, there's a site, um, on Facebook that only flight attendants are privileged to. Nobody else can get on that site. And after the TMZ thing, a few of them were talking about, um, how they landed in, when they grounded all the airplanes, a few of them were talking about how they were, um, they landed in Kansas City. and the FBI came on their plane and took like guys off of their plane

in Kansas City when they grounded it. They weren't going to Kansas City. I think they were going to L.A. or something, or San Francisco or someplace. But when they grounded all the planes, they landed it in Kansas City. And the FBI showed up and pulled several...

These Middle Eastern men? Yes. Yep. And also, what was the other one? There was another one. along how I was London but this was happening

what I'm saying is people are you know saying hey you know after they show the TMC thing this happened on my plane you know so

so you believe it's more than so you're saying it's more than just one a fifth plane there were multiple other plane oh definitely so why do you think the FBI or the government in general would

would not let that be known Well, first of all, I think it would scare the American public so badly that nobody would get on a plane for a very long time and that would kill the economy, which is what the terrorists were aiming for. Right, which was, which really devastated the airline industry in general with just the four planes. Right, exactly. If they thought this was a concentrated effort that could be duplicated, then it may have been even more catastrophic. Right. And if you think about it, logically, after 9-11,

they sealed off New York and a few other places, right? It was locked down. Nobody could get in or out, right? Why? Because there were other terrorists in the area. There were other planes. There were other people in the area they needed to catch. so yeah it makes sense you know but um yeah also one of the reasons i also want to talk about it is

because the flight attendants don't get enough credit for 9-11 it really goals me that one of the main reasons that they grounded those planes so there were no other incidents is because two of the flight attendants on um flight 11 that went into the world trade called base operations from the airport. They called their operations center and reported exactly what was going on on that plane. Prior to taking off? Prior to hitting the building.

Oh, okay. Yeah, they were in the air. And they called base operations and told them what was going on on the airport. I know what it was, and it was not pretty, let's put it that way. they basically described everything that was happening. One of the flight attendants was still on the phone

with operations when the plane hit the building. Right. Yeah, I read the 9-11 report. Yeah. Probably five or six years ago. So if it hadn't been who were those flight attendants and I believe it was one, it was an air traffic control guy who basically said they told me how to wait or something for some kind of authorization to stop to start landing all the planes and he said no and he did it but you know between him and the two flight attendants that's the reason why that you know it saved a lot of grief in this country so so after all of this where you got were flight attendants given additional training on or anything along those lines okay what happens with a flight attendant is once a year. Hopefully, you don't use what you're trained for.

Flight attendants are not trained to serve your drink. They train for terrorism, medical evacuation procedures. I could evacuate seven different aircraft in about three to five minutes. Okay. These is our training. So the FAA mandates once a year that flight attendants go back to training. So every year, I had to re-requal every year. I do my redo my qualifications. So, yeah, so that was added that particular type of terrorism because in my initial training or every year, we do review other types of terroristic activity on the plane and what to look for. So, yeah, they did train us in that and what to look for, yeah. Okay, and what are you supposed to do? Do you notify a marshal, an air marshal? Well, if they're on the flight, you would, yeah.

but do you even know if they're on the flight? Yes. Tennis do know that they're on the flight yes. But they are not to be

if there's like somebody who's like something stupid like who's upset about or a drink or whatever right to even go near them you don't

they're only there for something that's you know life threatening for the entire plane you know right. So yeah

so basically And that was my story. It was happening later on also, like maybe six years later. I was involved in another incident. What was that? I was sitting standby, which is every flight attendant up to a certain amount of years, has to do a month of reserve, which means you're at the beck and call of the company with like 15 days off of the whole month, but other than that, 24 hours.

was a day. They can call you and say come to the airport. My duty that day was standby, which is to sit at the airport in case flight attendant doesn't make it in and fill in on the flight so that the flight can go. So I was sitting standby and they, you know, about our operations and they said, flight attendant Halloween, we have a flight for you. I said, okay, where am I know? And they said, you go on, I think it was San Francisco. I can't remember the destination. I mean, it was L.A. And I said, okay. And I said, what's the flight number? Because after 9-11, my husband wanted another flight number of every flight I was on.

So they said, just go down there now. We go to gate, blah, blah, whatever it was, 12, whatever, just go. You have to go now. I'm like, okay. So I go to the gate. There's nobody there. So I got all the computer at the gate, and I pulled up my flight. It was at a different gate.

I walk over to the other gate. Gate agent says to me, I use it. the standby. I said, yeah. She goes, get on the plane. I said, okay. So we get on the plane. I walked on. And I thought it was nobody in the waiting area. So I thought, oh, my God, they're all waiting for me to get on the plane so that they can leave, right? Right. Get on the plane. And there's cleaners on the airplane replacing blankets and all kinds of things. I get off the airplane and back up to the gate agent. And I go, there's nobody on that plane. She goes, yes, sir. The flight attendants are in the back. Just get on the plane.

I'm like, okay, and they never spoke to me like that. I was just like, well, what the heck's going on? So I go to the back of the plane, and the flight attendants are in the back of the plane hanging out, waiting for the cleaners, I guess, finished. And I said, they looked at me, and I go, oh, how'd they get new? And I said, what? And they said, yeah, how'd they get you? You don't know, do you?

And they said, know what? Well, the flight was supposed to go out earlier. The flight attendants saw the specific Saw up behavior from a few of their A few of their passengers that was not right They were Middle East and they were reading the Koran They wouldn't take anything from them They smell like what was it roses

There's all kinds of telltale signs For they do one of these things Right So the flight attendants refused to take your place they walked off they told them we're not taking down plane so all day you know we talked to each other you know very vocal so we're like telling each other apparently i never got the message from anybody not to get on that plane because they still intended to take the plane they what they did is they deplane everybody they checked all their luggage they went through everything again and they had

no reason because they could be sued i mean obviously you can't discriminate you know so they had you know they had to take the flight so um they were waiting for flight attendants and they couldn't get enough we actually went out two flight attendants short for service there were two levels one is staffing levels for service the other is staffing levels for each door in cases an emergency and you have to evacuate so they we went out with two flight attendants short for staffing levels because nobody would take the flight um they boarded the flight um and believe it or not pat benator was on my flight i would work business class or her husband or doll but um yeah so she was in my business class working it but there was

one gentleman in my business class um at least some gentleman and he was reading the koran and me being even with my post traumatic stress me being the first i am i wasn't going to let him terrify me and i woke door and he smiled out of and I said should I get you something to drink and he looked at me and went no and he continued to read the Quran that's the first time they don't want anything from it once we got

in the oh let me tell you why the only reason I took the flight was because there were air marshals on my flight right that's the only reason I took the flight he went in the bathroom after he came out I went in the bathroom I ripped the entire bathroom apart to make sure he didn't put anything in there.

I mean, it's, you know, which I want to get out. Our training is much more extensive than what people think it is. Right. Once the service was over, one of the marshals walked up front first class, and I followed him up there, and I said, okay, what's going on? He said, well, he goes, if you want the truth, he said they're part of a terrorist cell that we're watching. and this was six years later. Okay.

There's so much that people don't know. Okay. It's, yeah, it's amazing. So, anyway. Yeah, that could have just been a test run to see what would happen if they let them on the plane, if they... Exactly. Like, let's go through the whole process, but if they do search us, we'll have nothing on us. There's no reason.

They'll let us get on the plane. Maybe it kind of throws them off, you know. Right. Yeah. So, you know, that's just food for thought. That was something else. I also am the unlucky person to happen to be four years after 9-11. I believe it was four years.

I was in London, two blocks from where they blew up the buses and the tubes. As my father likes to say, you're always there, and thank God, nothing ever hadn't seen you. It's like that morning was a horror too. because, you know, they wouldn't let any buses drive after that. They locked down London for all buses. And when they picked me up to come home that afternoon, the bus driver had a park normally pulls in front of the hotel. They wouldn't let him park in front of the hotel.

But I had to get on that a bus. Right. Yeah. So, and the poor little man, his name was Clive. I remember he used to drive our bus. I did London for 16 years. London was my route after you know a few years after 9-11 and um well clive you know i came out and i said how are you and he just shook his head and he said yeah i'm sorry i know and but he had to

get in that bus and drive us not knowing you know i mean it was yeah it was pretty bad what and that morning i had tina that afternoon i had tina louise on my flight do you know who she is no elegans island ginger oh really and she was awful and she had to sit and coach because the flight was full everybody was trying to get out of London and she was not happy about it and her daughter kept going

do you know who my mother is do you don't find my up because she wanted first class chicken a whole bottle of water for herself the big ones you know and I wanted to say yeah she's some has been I know who you I know who you were who she

was um but anyway that's me they can know that yeah it's funny was i was gonna say that most people i know with celebrities like either they're super nice or they're just horrible people like you know so um america was the was and still is because i guess prince uh uh what's his name just uh one of the princes just flew american from l a to the coronation prince andrew he flew you know, American to London, we were, and I guess still are the airline of the stars, because over the years when I worked L.A. a lot, we had a lot of stars on the flight. So, yeah. Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic conman against an egotistical pathological liar. Marcus Schrenker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death

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you know i'm to me i i typically like first of all i'm short so coach is not a big deal you know secondly i typically always have i download like a movie on my phone or something so i'll play a movie put my headphones in and just you know the reason the reason i worked for amer i used to work for united airlines i worked for united reservations uh years ago before i became a flight attendant and um the reason i worked for the big airlines or i interviewed for only the big airlines like delta american and united is because of the pilots because if i was going to have my life on a plane as many times a month, I wanted to make sure that I had the best pilots,

and those airlines basically hired military pilots. So those guys really know what they're doing in an emergency. So that's basically why I only would fly for American Delta or United. Yeah, I have a one. My sister worked at Delta. Oh, right. I don't know how long, five years. This was 30, 40 years ago, probably for five or six years.

And then I have a buddy who flies for Spirit. Oh, okay. And he does not have military experience. He's like, yeah. Oh, he's young. And he said, I remember he said, he learned how to fly. He said, you know, I learned how to fly for a while. He said, you know, I got my, my license.

And he's, you have to get licensed on different types of planes, so you different certificates. And I got those. And then I met a guy. He was like, you should try and fly for one of the big. airlines and I thought no that's not he's like yeah yeah you can he's like

really and he said so I applied and I got it like it's there you have to have a certain amount of hours he does and I think he flew a private he said you can you take simulations

and then you have to you know it's a training there's a training course you know but like they didn't just say here there's 400 here's 300 people do your best but i have plane attendant friends who uh two of them are male the female who both became pilots and um they both started or my one friend now he's starting at a regional

you start with the smaller planes at a regional like gulf he started flying for eagle you know so you take it slowly he's pretty listen he is pretty young like he's probably in his early 30s when he started so it was like I you know as a flight attendant I get on flight privileges um I can also um you know have flight privilege on other airlines so I remember going on JetBlue because at the time American had merged with useless air as I like to call and we um we didn't have a lot of Phoenix flights and I had a friend in Phoenix So I would take JetBlue when they first started because they did a lot of Phoenix runs from JFK, which was Grety. So I could go on them just standby as a standby passenger, you know, for basically 40 bucks or something ridiculous.

Right. But their thing was if you were flight crew and you went on their planes, you had to introduce yourself to the pilots. This was their thing. So I'm like, okay, so I get on the plane and I have to go in the pocket and stick my head in and go. go, hi, guys, you know, I'm with American, whatever. So when I stopped my head in the flight deck, I looked in and I went, oh, my God, he's 12 years old. Yeah. Oh, God.

I was going to say, this guy's been, he's in his early 30s that he's been flying for five, six, seven years. So he must have started in his late 20s. Well, it's expensive. Flight school is expensive. Yeah. And they have to pay for that. That's, you know, get your hours is very. expensive and they don't start them off at a great they get you know progressively they get a

really good salary but they don't start them off that way you know so to pay for all those flight hours you know that's why they hired like military pilots which you know the government gave them their flight hours i mean they flew for the military right was navy you know and we could always tell the guys who are navy pilots because when they came in they came in like nobody was in the back of the fly. Right. And I couldn't say to them, you know we're back there, right?

You fly for the Navy, and the guy would look at me and go, the pilot would look at me and go, how do you know that? And I'd go, because of the way you came in, like you were coming on an aircraft carrier, on a Navy ship or something, you know? It's true. You could tell.

But anyway. Well, all right. Do you have anything else you want to cover? Um. Well, about that particular topic, no, about how the employees at the airlines are treated, yes. I'd like to talk about if you've heard anything about how they were poisoning their crew members with uniforms. Have you heard about the poison uniforms? No.

Are actually sued. Okay. The flight attendants at Alaska Air actually sued because they broke out in rashes, have respiratory ailments, lost their hair because of the amount of chemicals in their uniform. And when you're in a little metal tube and you're locked up in there and you sweat in one of those uniforms, goes into your skin. I actually have health issues because of the uniforms that my company had us wear for a very short time. There were flight attendants I know who had never been back to work because they were so sick from the uniforms. They got Hashimoto's disease. They

got all kinds of stuff. My issue was my airline knew that the flight attendants at Alaska were suing because of the chemicals and what it did to them and they bought from the same company they must have got a cheap a really good deal and they bought their uniforms

from the same company how American got out of it was basically they told us if you have a problem with the uniform just wear your old uniforms so we looked ridiculous because half of us

were in our old uniforms and part of us were in the new uniforms so it was kind of ridiculous well I mean what are they treating the uniforms with something like it came from china and all your clothes from china are treated with chemicals that are way above what the european union would allow in their country american doesn't

america doesn't have any standards when it comes to our clothes we allowed to be poisoned in our clothes so what do they treat issue are they treating it for like with pesticide for so they don't get they don't get bugs formaldehyde um all kind cadium um um um This is all in your clothing. You know, the wrinkle-free thing? Yeah, well, that's chemicals. Better living through it's getting into your clothes and chemicals where your skin. Yeah, so that's another issue I had, you know, that actually there was a lawsuit, which I'm involved in, but I have the lawyer's name still here on my phone as an email, but I never heard word one about.

What happened with it? How long ago was it? How long ago was? Oh, this has got to be, let's see, I'm retired two and a half years. It's got to be almost eight years ago, you know? Oh, wow. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, it took a long time, you know, for the, also I heard UPS.

It's called Twin Hill is the name of the company. And I heard UPS also had their uniforms from Twin Hill, and they had the same problem. Rashes. pulka respiratory ailments, pink eye. I mean, you name it. You can, we got it from this particular uniform. It was disgusting. I wore, you know, obviously I went back wearing my old uniform.

I'm glad I did throw it out when I got the new one, you know. But just being around it still, you know. And you don't know what happened with the lawsuit? Nope. I have no idea. what happened. I know what happened. We'll see. It got thrown out. Alaska airs flight attendants. Their lawsuit got thrown out. It didn't fly. I don't know if this is, you know, on conspiracy theories, but I don't know if this is, you know, a government-related thing or I don't

know what it, I mean, corporations. I don't know. I don't understand how women losing their There's one girl's almost bold. Okay, I mean, there's all the same things. The rashes, the respiratory problems. I don't understand how they got away with it. I just don't. But, you know, it's another thing on the list of. Well, it's difficult to, you know, sue internationally.

And even if you get a lawsuit against the Chinese corporation, the likelihood that they're actually going to pay. Well, Twin Hill, I think is an American company that buys from China. They're not, you know what I'm saying? So that's a manufacturer. They got to know what's in their product. Right. So there you go.

But it still, it didn't work. So I don't know. Like I said, a lot of people I know were very, their health was affected terribly from it. You know, so I'm not. Anyway. All right. Well, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you.

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