Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Outlaw Biker Shares Insane Stories As A Career Criminal

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

Outlaw Biker Shares Insane Stories As A Career Criminal

We went to Guatemala with almost $2 million on the boat. We took about $400,000 cash off the boat and brought it back. I'm looking at it. It's got to be a typo, 22,000 kilos. So I'm reading the indictment. So it was $45.5 million. And I remember when I heard the story, not that this is the most ridiculous story. And I thought, and that's, that's, you know, this is, it's come on, stop it, row.

And there's the report on the three. guys that approach him that he gets into a fight with and there's a attached to it is a transcript and so they pull the pilot and the co-pilot out you know the plane they're standing there they're like okay you guys didn't pay and they execute them well Doug just happened to be taking a piss in the jungle so he then takes so he takes off he flies in there on his private plane gets convinced his Castro let these guys go they load them all up this guy's about six foot freaking 11. He carries a 44 Magnum. You know, you walk by there

about three in the morning when they're in their rims sleep. Hold your nuts and you walk up in there and you try to get the motorcycle. Bangs on the door, butt naked, and I rip by about 70 miles an hour and Pat's jaw, you know, he's like... Hey, this is Matt Cox

and I'm here with Michael Hudson, Michael Martini Hudson actually. No, don't say Michael Martin i'll start over martin martin martin yeah the on the driver's license it says martin because they made a mistake but it's m a r t e i and e that's actual so just say michael martin hudson okay hey this is matt cox and i'm here with michael martin hudson and uh i wrote a story about mike called Devils of Contraband which he never really liked the title of

but it's about basically he's essentially a part of the genre that is what's known as cocaine cowboys he was active in well he was a part of the dirty dozen and then he ends up moving into the

smuggling operations in Miami back in the 70s 80s 90s and we'll get into that and so it's going to be a really interesting story so check it out you know i i want like i typically start most stories i obviously start you know something interesting and then i jump back to the origins of like where the person was raised that sort of thing so and you were raised in in in arizona but your mom but the way it happened was your mom was basically um just a maniac um uh teenager right she got married young

had two boys, you and your brother, and she ended up getting caught smuggling marijuana from Mexico into the United States. Correct. Right? And that's kind of like, to me, that's where the story kind of begins because it immediately starts off with smuggling.

It ends with smuggling. It starts with your mom. It ends with your mom. Because, you know, out of all the cocaine cowboy stories that are out there, there's just not many, there's almost no stories

where there's basically a woman is running the, entire operation and that's your mom but so can we can we start with you know like you and your brother were born in arizona and that's the question prescott arizona right uh 1954 uh i was born in 54 my kid brother uh um 57 and we're about 18 months apart right and um what happened with uh your dad was he around or mother uh my mother left him right and um took me and my kid brother and essentially my grandmother was very wealthy she married a wealthy minor she left my real grandfather married a wealthy minor in uh Arizona he died and and grandma got to mine so mom pretty much um she wasn't so much of a maniac it was just the uh the the uh product of you know

of 60s 70 the 50s because they you know they weren't hippies then it was uh it was uh Essentially, beatniks. That was that era started, and she took me and my kid brother with her girlfriend, Terry, and her Corvette, and drove to Big Sur. And we lived there for a while. I have memories of that when I was really young. And, I've been really young, like three, four. And then she came back to Arizona, and we ended up getting taken care of by my Aunt Carol Jean, Grandma Dickie. We called her Grandma Dickie, because Ernie Dickie, Ernest I, Dickie.

was the CEO of the cypress bruce copper mine grandma married him left my real grandfather as i previously said and uh you know she left grandpa took my my mom and my aunt karl jean with her and you know well your mom started smuggling like there was years later right but the first she tried to run a couple of keys across the border and no gals that was a that was a few years later but she uh you know uh you know the pills whatever you know and and and the marijuana back then in the 50s and and the 60s so probably the late early 60s and then she got busted coming through no galas and my grandma had to go down there and with Barry Goldwater he had some connections and he Barry Goldwater was a very close friend of Ernie's right he built the

and Del Webb. Del Webb built the flamingo for Bugsy Siegel. He was the contractor to build Sun City in Phoenix. He built the house in Baghdad up there in the northwestern Arizona where grandma Dickie lived with my mom and my aunt Carol Jean. Right. After Ernie died. So, you know, she was, she was, my mother was, they were pretty, more so my mom was pretty rebellious. you know and uh just so she got a but she got arrested she got arrested they got her back in the

united states and uh uh my grandmother said i'm taking mike and doug away from you and uh here's the rest of your inheritance and go where you're going to go when you get there give me call right and that was it mom went to miami right so what would she do in miami i mean she just she moved Miami was really the, it was really the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, and as compared to big sir and that, those places in California, she came to Miami. It was, you know, it was, uh, popular. And, uh, you know, there's a lot going on down there. And, uh, mom moved down there and, with her, her and her girlfriend, Terry came down there and she lived there for, for, and that, this is by this time, it's what, the 60s? Yeah. And, uh, you know, mid 60s, late 60s. And, uh, uh, and, uh, uh, and, uh, and, and, um, and, and, my grandmother put us in military school in the early 60s and and then we did a year in San Diego

at the Southern California Military Academy and my kid brother then we came back to Phoenix and she farms she I was in a wreck with her when I was three years old and she was a grandmother my grandmother she was crippled for life she owned most of the town of Baghdad and a portion of uh she had a farmer's market it's you know more or less in prescott and on the way there that evening she had a load of strawberries and she hit a cow at 120 miles an hour and it crippled her for life and threw me through the windshield so she uh after that after she recovered she didn't they didn't expect her to live after she recovered she uh um essentially sold off most of her interests in the mine and moved down to phoenix and bought a palatial home down there and

and a large piece of property. And we went to military school from there. My mom was leaving us all over the United States with different friends. And we wound up being farmed out to the Mormon church. The bishop of the Mormon church lived next door. They got close to Grandma, got her to build a wing on their 16th ward in North Phoenix at the Church of the Latter-day Saints. and the bishop coerced my grandmother into having us adopted through the Mormon church to a family there

and we lived with them for nine years until mom by this time mom had lived in Miami all this time and she decided to come back she was a little more fluent by this time and she decided to come back and look for her sons. Well, I mean, at this point, your mom went, she went to Miami, but that's where all the drugs were coming in at this place. There's no DEA. At that point, there was no DEA. Miami wasn't really prevalent for the drugs then.

The drugs were coming out of, the marijuana was coming out of Mexico. The drugs weren't coming out of Columbia until the early, in early middle, late 70s. The Carrillo, I believe, the Lord of the Skies, they were running the marijuana out of Mexico and flying it in. Okay. See? And it was all different than the Neanderthal format that the Mexicans use now with the tunnels, digging the tunnels.

See and all that jazz. They were actually flying it in. So the marijuana didn't, the Colombian marijuana was a much higher grade than the Mexican marijuana. Most of them, you had good Mexican pot, but. mom didn't get into that until the mid-70s. She flew us back to Miami. She had a sugar daddy, if you want to call it, you know, essentially a guy that took care of her

who was vice president, a lawboy, lawnmower corporation. So she, by this time, she's pretty affluent. She came back in 73 and got me and Doug and flew us into Miami because she came back, went to the step-parents house and says, I'm looking for my sons. And the stepmother goes, oh, well, they're living down there

by their old high school. They've got a, and they're, they're uh they're running amuck but we were doing burglaries and trading everything for the burglaries for heroin and then you know and then uh slinging the heroin on the street just same just like how you grow up right um yeah um the detectives were looking for us hard though in fact the night that mom and aunt carol jean came and found us well actually was my uncle jimmy he came and found us and uh said your mom's out here from miami she's staying out at our ranch my aunt carroll jean took her part of the inheritance and built a 30-acre ranch way out in the middle of nowhere

off of Beardsley Avenue in a way it's all developed now those areas were essentially pristine when we grew up in to grow up in Arizona in the 50s and 60s was idyllic right so the step-parents and we had four uncles we I essentially hunted and fished every square inch of Arizona uh hundreds of times growing up with them learned the use of weapons It was a Boy Scout and had a, there was a marksman with a Boy Scout with all the medals, you know, for the sharpshooting and all that jazz. And we hunted winter and summer and fished winter and summer. So all that, that kind of a lifestyle was a Boy Scout. Like I said, my stepdad was the, he was the scoutmaster.

So that's how we learned, you know, weapons. Basically, you grow up with that and he became really adept with, with, with, firearms so all right so your mom shows up she takes you back to miami right and you go back to miami and i mean what what what what happened she put you back in high school she said you guys are going to be accountants and lawyers no school was out of the good picture we're already i was already a dropout right long hair my kid brother long hair and we are already into drugs pretty much and mom introduced this to a an underworld that we had never it could have possibly be envisioned. These were, uh, mom knew, some of the most famous, uh, you know, like the Dixie

mafia, right? Like the, Rick Cabrero and his crew. And these are the guys. And, uh, and all friends are close friends are hers. We had next door neighbors that were, that were very dear to me. There and there, I'm not going to mention any names, but they were, a lot of us fell into the, uh, the, the marijuana smuggling, flying it in from Columbia. But mom didn't get into that until me and Doug kind of, I was more or less turned off by Miami because I really wanted to ride a Harley. I was still young. I was 17 years old, so I went back to Phoenix and my kid brother went first and we fell off into the same thing, the same lifestyle that, you know, that we were, that we had, were, you know,

involved in when mom and my aunt came and grabbed us and, you know, and mom took us back to Miami, burglaries. But this time, my kid brother fell for a burglary. I fell for one and my kid brother flew back to Miami and I stayed in Phoenix. So mom didn't really get into the smuggling until around 74, 75.

Somewhere around in there, mom negotiated in Bogota with an individual and she was able to mortgage out the house and get a boat and then, you know, and then bring in her first few loads. But I was, by this time, I was already in the state of penitentiary in Arizona. Right.

I bought my first Harley with the, you know, smuggling heroin out of Mexico. What were you in the, what did you go to the state for? Burglaries. Okay. Yeah. How much times you do? Did a couple of years. Had a couple of five years sentences run concurrent.

Did a couple of years. And, you know, the, got, ran prospect for the high wall jammers. My kid brother was a captain in the Aryan Brotherhood. So when he was, he said everybody knew who the high wall jammers were. And we had a race. war with the uh with the with the the the blacks right and uh the Mexican mafia had our backs and we essentially took over to compound at the time and uh they put us that were involved in that riot in 1975 put us on death road because it had nowhere else to keep us and um that's where

we were in on orders from from the president of the uh of the they were sanctioned by the area Brotherhood out of California. The Highwall Jammers became A-B. But we were still Highwall Jammers during that time in 75 underground lockdown. And I had to electrocute an individual, set one on fire, we blew one up with the bomb, three different individuals. And I was the youngest Highwall Jammer, so they split us up. And I got to have, because I only had five years, so I did two years on the sentence. And I was essentially done. They grabbed me first, and then they shot me to a halfway house in Phoenix and my kid brother wrote his Harley with a friend of his up to New York and then he wrote all the way out from the sent me a letter from the Waldorf Astoria on

Waldorf Astoria Station area and and then he rode out to meet me in the hat when I got to got to the halfway house in Phoenix he convinced you to go back to Miami no no no no I I stayed in Phoenix I he was by this time him and mom were bringing in a few loads they were making a lot more money than they had you know then then you know initially they had been made well she did a million on those first few lows but she turned around and uh and her and Doug were already bringing in they and she had bought a shrimper a couple of shrimpers and they were running them down into cardahan and barren kia and Doug's uh Doug's captaining Doug's captain in the boat and then taking the boat down there and back and uh I stayed in Arizona and rode my question is that

You know, you're in Arizona and your mom brings in the first load and she arranges it with some guys from Atlanta, right? How does that first transaction go? Well, her friend had set up the indict, the stop, start over. set up the deal yeah a good friend of hers who met these guys while he was in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta right and

so she he hooks mom up with these these rednecks out of Atlanta and out of Georgia and they come down to buy the load and she they were in there in one motel room at the old days in on Collins down in south

Miami so she she see they get a sample her friend gives them a sample of the of the uh the pot right yeah of the the the the the Colombian gold back then and then uh um she gets a she gets a call from her friend and he and he tells he tells mom um and i'm relating the story that she told me yeah and and parts of it my kid brother told me so he says uh yeah they want another sample of it so they moved to another motel room so you know they're ready to you know conduct business and so what do you want to do she says okay so she loads it up in two vans a couple thousand each van and goes down a couple thousand pounds each van and drives down there and they and they

she leaves my kid brother down in the parking lot if i'm not back back here in a certain amount of time you'll here you know who to call in columbia and then uh she goes upstairs and walks up you know walks up there all by herself and uh they had moved to another to another suite so she's a little apprehensive and she's getting you know she's being as smart as she was just the the alarm bells are going off and she walks in the guy answers the door and you know right you know kind of raggedy-looking rednecks from you know i imagine they were moving quite a bit of pot up there but bottom line is they uh answer the door and she she goes in and there's four or five them around a table i think and uh the the uh the guy that was running everything

he's sitting there and she tosses him she got her she's got her uh she always carried a purse that slung over her shoulder about waist height so she hands him the sample and he starts smoking and then he got telling stories and you know one thing leaves another and she's there all by herself and kind of ogling her because she's you know she's extremely beautiful you know and so they're you know they're talking and kind of you know drinking beer and everything and then he says it's not like the last sample that he had gotten and he's having a hard time getting high and she's been leaning against the kitchen counter for a better part of half an hour you know and that's it so she he says I'm you know I think I'm I know it's not like the other stuff I'm like really get feeling

it like I you know like I did the on the other sample you brought I'm not really getting that getting high and just kind of thinking that they can just you know kind of handle her because she's a woman right but it's the only shit she has it's the same stuff it's the same stuff so she just unzips the purse pulls out her her hammerless uh police snub-nosed a 38 special and two quick steps and leans across the table and sticks the pistol in his ear and and you know you know what it says and like in devils uh you better start getting high you motherless cock sucker or i'm going to splatter your brains all over your ugly redneck partner's lap right you know so and that's it and uh he starts he he he he he freaks out and uh you know you could hurt a pin drop and he started screaming pay her pay her and uh there you go she walked out of there with the cash and and uh how much do you remember how much um two million or whatever four thousand pounds something like that i guess and that's it

she paid off the mortgage on that she'd taken out the house for the boat the loan shark and all that kind of stuff and walked out and uh you know um nice lick and uh yeah yeah i grabbed my kid brother and they were gone and and and told him they have the keys they're they're down the keys are under the front seat and it's in the parking lot and the days in down there and you know my kid brother had walked you know he had gotten a little worry he's down he's young he's he's he's all he's all by himself so you know you're doing something like this you don't know right they were they're waiting for you to pull in figuring you know and then they're going to go oh it must be in they might rob him right see so holly ballets a situation in back in them days and that kind of they kind of stuff

you know like walking into a hotel room and uh you know doing a deal for for a few keys and you don't know if they're cops right or you know if it's a rip off and everybody's everybody's strapped so i stayed in arizona and rode built the show winning harley i had a cousin that owned a shop, well-known custom bike shop called Cosmic Joppers, Keith Warlock, and we built my second Harley, another Panhead, and we won a big show out there. And I rode that for like a year, a year and a half, and then we built another one. I wrecked that and got the insurance money, and we built another one. Actually, I bought it from the mechanic, a shovelhead, and I rode that. And then that's the bike, and we want another show on that bike, the same, you know, a big show

out there in Phoenix at the veterans from Oracle Coliseum and then the dirty dozen by that by that time knew who I the dirty dozen by that time knew who I was and they approached me and wanted me to run a prospect for the club and I eventually on that on that on that uh shovelhead I rode prospect for the dirty dozen for the Phoenix chapter and got my patch about 1970 1974 right Or excuse me, in 1977, 76, late 76, early set, got my patch for the Phoenix chapter. Well, I mean, so writing prospect for the dirty dozen isn't exactly a W-2 job. What were you doing for a living? It's not, it's not, I knew a hell's angel that never rode prospect for the dirty dozen that never made it.

Right. Out of, uh, but I'm saying, what were you doing for a living, though? Because I know, I know, I was, I was number one Harley Davidson motorcycle thief for, for almost five, six years in, in Phoenix. chased by two top detectives for for almost six and a half seven years right what were their names because i never i know uh there was john giordano and jack hackworth they were the heads of the uh motorcycle uh theft division of the grand theft auto uh s i sidi special investigation department or s i s special investigations for they got me one time and they let me they let me go They wanted me to cooperate.

So I said, yeah, sure, you know, and I got out, and I never, and they said, we want to hear from you by Monday. Well, I think it was a Friday evening. And I went and stole three Harleys up I10 there in Phoenix, and they never saw me again. They put out a warrant for my arrest because they floated the, uh, the, they couldn't get the individual who was motorcycle. I had allegedly stolen to come back from, he was a guy from Alaska. They couldn't get him to come back and testify. So they had to drop the, well, I, the judge gave me a, probationary term for a few months.

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junkie named Pat Grafe. Pat essentially told me one day, I would give him 50 bucks on any Harley I would grab that he would bind. So Pat says, man, there's a guy out there in Paradise Valley that's got a bike and he leaves it out in this backyard in front of his tool shed, but he's got a Great Dane. And the Great Dane sleeps in the tool shed. And he just parks it right there on a concrete slab in front of the tool shed.

I said, okay. So we drove out there and looked at it. And it was a real nice shovel, kind of customized. So I went back there in the, and this is the wintertime in Phoenix, it gets down to freezing. I went out there and took the, he took the Great Dane in the house, and it was so cold. And I went in the backyard and I took the bike. It took me a while. I kind of got stuck trying to bring the bike between the shed and the fence that ran adjacent to the street there.

It was about a four foot, a three and a half, four feet width. and I miscalculated and once I got between the shed and the chain link fence I realized that I'd had enough room to get it out of there and it took me at least 45 minutes to back the truck out or excuse me we'll have to back to the I'm thinking in terms of trucking

to get the motorcycle between the shed and the chain link fence to get into his backyard and roll it out to the alley and then down the street and into another alley and hotwire it the bike wouldn't start I had to kick it over almost those motorcycles that I was stealing back then a lot of them were electric start but this one was a kick

and I couldn't get to start but to back up when Pat and I came out and looked at the bike he says by the way I saw the bike where it was parked it was daytime and he goes this guy's about 6 foot freaking 11 6 foot 10 he carries a 44 magnum and I just kind of and Pat's Pat was a skinny little guy, you know, he had a Harley, too, and he says, he says, you think you can, he says, I don't know.

He says, I've never, I can't imagine how you're going to get that bike that he keeps the dog in the shed. Well, he took the dog in that night. You know, you walk by there about three in the morning, and when they're in their rims sleep, toss a pebble at the shed, no dog comes out, you turn around, you weigh a little bit, and you go back and you, you know, you hold your, hold your nuts, and you walk up in there and you try to, to get the motorcycle without getting blown away. So I got that bike, took it to a buddy of mine. So you did get it started though. Oh, yeah, if I had to hot wire, I had to go to a pop the hood on a guy's a car that was parked over there at another house along the side.

I had to pop the hood. You could tell the car wasn't running like an old Chevy and take the wire from the solenoid going to the battery and about four feet long and run that from the battery to the soul or the motorcycle. And she finally started. I had overloaded the carburet. I flooded it. But when it ran,

it ran like a raped ape. And I took off and took it up to a buddy of mine named Dave, who was fencing on most of the motorcycles for me. Unbeknownst to me, Dave was under surveillance by the Phoenix Police Department, the same two detectives. Who were already looking for you? They were looking for it.

Now, they had no idea who I was. They were looking for Dave. They found him. Dave, and I went back to get paid for the bike. I called him, and he, for my cousin's bike shop. You just come by tomorrow morning. I'll have your money. As I rolled, I had an old Polaris, 64, a Dodge Polaro, and I rolled through there coming by Dave's house and looked, and I saw about six or seven Phoenix Police cruisers, a couple of unmarked detective cruisers and a couple of tow trucks. About 20 bikes out in the front yard, and Dave and his girlfriend were cuffed. So I lost

the bike. I kept going. So my buddy, I tell my buddy, Patty thinks I'm lying to him. I says, no, man, my guy got busted. So about four or five days later, I get a call my cousin's bike shop. My cousin Keith, he had a pay phone inside the bike shop. He says, you got that guy, Pat, is on the phone. I walked, I said, yeah, he goes, this guy got another motorcycle. I said, what guy? He's the guy that he stole the one from last week. He's got a brand new 80-inch low rider, a black one. I said, you got the insurance money. So I rolled up there.

We took Pat's little Nova and drove over there, and the motorcycles are, we pull up to a dairy queen right across the street. And I like, the guy lived on a corner, and I looked over there in the residential neighborhood. I looked over there, and I saw two motorcycles in the driveway, or actually on the front lawn. And me and Pat were sitting there, and I got a chilly dog. I'll never forget in a tasty freeze. It was a tasty freeze or I think it was a tasty freeze and I'm sitting there watching it. We smoked a joint. Pat's looking over there and these guys came outside and were walking around.

The guys knew his biker buddy. His biker buddy was almost as tall as he was, you know, so I'm watching him and Pat's looking over at me and going, man, he says, you'll, you'll never, never get a brand new 80-inch low rider. They had just come out. So it's broad daylight. They went back in the house. Then the one individual's buddy came out

They stood there and talked He fired up his bike and left The individual that owned the You know that owned the motorcycle That I had taken one previously About four days before he went back in the house Front doors open I looked over a Pat and I go watch this action

Pat's jaw dropped And I walked across the street Up to the corner And just walked right up on the grass To the motorcycle I could see the guy's feet up in the ottoman watching Beverly Hillbillies or it's a big valley or something like that I walked up to the bike and very carefully and quietly picked up the kickstand because they make a noise if you don't know

how to pull it it's spring loaded pulled it up a lot you know put it in neutral and it froze because he got up one second they changed a channel to a Gilligan's island a little buddy and then flip it back over to whatever he was watching and I backed it out and burled it down the street and then and cranked it up on about two streets down in an alley, and I went down that alley and realized that I had hit a dead end because that street I rolled out on, I went to make a left and it says dead end. So I had to make a U-turn,

and the only way to get out of there was to ride right past his front door. So I come down the street, cranked, coming out of second gear into third, about 60, 70 miles an hour, the guy was standing out on his porch. He had a 40, he had his 40 for him, his jaw was down on his belt buckle. And as I ripped past him, the only thing in my mind is I'm thinking, all he has to do is step out in the street. If he's a good shot like I was, he could put one right between my shoulder blades.

Right. But it's, you know, and as I went past, I looked at to my right, looked over at him standing with his, his jaw hanging out over there in front of his door. I looked to my left. And I looked at, and Pat's jaw is hanging on his belt buckle. As he watches me, I look over a Pat, and I ripped by about 70 miles an hour. and Pat's jaw is, you know, he's like, he couldn't believe it. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, a pat had looked like he was having a heart attack as I looked over a Pat, and I

finally got to the next street and made a right and rode to Pat's mom's house. The guy didn't fire the gun? No. And, uh, so I got over to Pat's mom said, he was following me and I got to their mom, Pat's mother had come home for work and she opened the door by the, the gate by the pool, and she said, oh, hi, Michael. They go, hey, Mrs. Grave, how you doing? And she goes, but you have a different, most.

motorcycle every week. She goes, that's a beautiful bike. I said, thank you. And it's a friend, I'm just working on it. I'm working on it for a friend. So I parked it by the pool and then Pat pulled up. And he walks up to, he was white as a sheet. He looked at me and he goes, he says, man, he says, I cannot believe that I just saw what I just saw. He says, you had the biggest set of balls to anybody I ever met in my entire life. So I just said, look, you know, because I was still building that chopper that we were i was still building that bike that me and keith had uh essentially i had bought that motorcycle and keith talked me and his tripping it down they were going to completely rebuild it for the show that was coming up in about five or six months so right there you go so i was

still i was doing everything i could burglaries motorcycles dealing drugs in order to pay for the bike and uh yeah your cousin didn't you say your cousin said it was only cost a few thousand dollars and it just kept every time you walk in. Yeah, he says, oh, it costs about $12,000. And at that time in the early, in the mids, middle 70s, that was a lot of money. Now, it's living with my stepbrothers. But it kept getting, I can't believe I, you know. And higher.

Oh, it got, yeah, it got into the mid-30s. Before we finally finished the motorcycle and entered it into that show with the Veterans Memorial Coliseum and I won, first place. Got a big check. Got a big trophy. He put it in the showroom at Cosby Choppers, and he had to sign the check over to him because I was into him by that time for about 15 to 17,000 always had a huge balance there.

Well, whatever, what happened with Keith, he passed away? Keith died. Yeah. Yeah, when I got my patch in the dirty dozen, I've been with a dozen for about a year and went over there. Duke was his partner, the painter. Right. And I went over there and he told me that Keith had died.

So, you know, it was a rough time. It was a rough time that we were very, very, Keith and I were extremely close. I loved them like a, you know, like an older brother, like why I love my older brother, who's a Vietnam veteran. Greg still lives in Phoenix, the stepbrother. Right. From the, you know, so. So, when you met, you, you got married.

Well, I didn't get married. It was a couple of years later after I got my, we remember that, that I had a wreck on that panhead. We got the insurance money. and Big Tim, the mechanic from my cousin, he had that shovelhead. And he had it up on the workbench. When I came in there one day, I looked at it, and it was out of this world. I go, what do you want for that? He goes, I'll take $6,000 in cash.

And I said, I'll give you $5,000. I'll give you $4,500 in cash in my motorcycle. And he said, deal, because you wanted around $15 for it. That was a lot of money then for a chopper. You know, you might pay $7, $8,000 for a real nice motorcycle. A stock, Holly Davidson, out of the dealership, was $2,300. Sportsster was like $1,800. You might pay as much as $3,000 for, you know, a limited edition bike,

like maybe a low rider of $2,800, somewhere around in there. So we put that in the show again, and it won. First place, big trophy, you know. So I rode that for, I had a really close friend named Lumpy, whose brother had rode what the dirty dozen Bob, Bob Hennessy. Leo Hennessy, we called him Lumpy. And he was, he was 11, 12 years old and had his Harley. When we were, he went to a Catholic school next door to where I went to, went to grade

school in Desert View in North Phoenix. We used to see him riding by on his, on his chopper. And he was a pretty, you know, he was a pretty well-known individual. We became very, very close and lived together. so so what was happening with your mom like at this point your mom was was actually was sending up um was shipping up um marijuana right for the for these guys to sell mom and dug were going to columbia by this time on shrimpers they were they were they had a they had a couple of other other individuals that they were

working with but they were they were either flying it in or you know but most the time it was coming in on boats and Doug was bringing in loads from Cartagena from Bar and Kia and I'm still out out west on the bike so I didn't get I didn't ride prospect on that

third Harley for the dirty dozen until around in 1977 and got my patch in the Phoenix chapter so I didn't I started going to this popular college bar called the squeeze box and that's where I met why I walked in there one night with a member of the club

that had gotten busted down to prospect named Turtle and he said one night I took him away from you know when you're a prospect they'll keep you up for days and it's it's brutal and I got to tell you it's brutal a boot campaign nothing compared to being a prospect for the Dirty Dozen back in the 70s I as I said I knew a Hell's Angel that never made it met him years later and dirty dozen minimum prospect uh is 60 days if you don't have your patch in 70 or 80 days something's wrong they're either going to beat your ass and take your motorcycle or just run you out of town and I'm this hell's angel obviously uh um uh who I forget his name he he essentially realized he wasn't going to get his patch and he took off and and hell's angels

prospect period is a year and so he ran he ran he ran prospect for the for the hells angels i forget if it was the burdue chapter or the daily city boys or or up there in oakland but i meant the hells angels used to come to arizona and we were real tight with them and i knew quite a few of them so we me and my president years later and one of the warlords and our vice president we used to fly over and stay with the h a in their you know and party at their their clubhouse in oakland so so i have at this point like by the time you meet your wife, had you already gone to federal prison? Because you already went to state. We talked about state. I did the state time. No, I hadn't gone. I didn't go to the federal,

the federal prison until 81 and 82. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. So, um, I met, I met her. And that's for stealing, like, like, massive, like, tractors and, right? Well, it was a couple of million interstate transportation. We would take a, a, a, a truck, like I drive now with a flatbed or we called a low boy you'd go to a job site find a brand new case grader or a or a backhoe put it on the flat bed and run it across the state line before the contractor and owned the the equipment would come to work and realize that someone had a broken into his yard and stolen you know what it is usually we would take his prize Kenworth or Peterbilt and use that to go grab sometimes since the contractor had had had the equipment. on the back of his trucks in the, at the, at the, uh, at the, uh, at the yard where he owned his business. So I had to cut the locks. And, and, uh, this is after, uh, she and I had split up. Right. So I'm, uh, well, let's, well, let's jump back to. So you meet, you, you meet, Chris. Chris, you meet Chris. She was engaged to someone else. Right. And, uh, you know,

I was pretty much. Was it like a pilot or something or? Yeah, yeah, he was going to an air college at BISB. And she was dancing down there at that club. And the mother had married a wealthy guy who had a million dollars. It was called Sun Baliani, I think, as I recall. And, you know, so, but she was, uh, wasn't having anything to do with me. Right. But, uh, I was, I was essentially smitten, you know, so, but at the time, I was living with a, I had, uh, like a lot of, a lot of the brothers in the club had prostitutes, if you will, or massage par, you know, employees that that uh that you know that that that were bringing them money right you know that's that's that's it's almost like the italian mob he got prostitution drugs right you know when sunny barger bonded out

in a million dollars that's when the rico statute came out and they knew they wait a minute they have a million dollars cash and then sunny barger got bonded out and uh you know they they put um the italian mob first under that rico statute and they and they all and they've and the feds put in outlaw motorcycle gangs as the second highest priority for investigation. So when they realize

these just aren't regular just outlawed greasy bikers, they posted a million dollars cash bail. Yeah, it's obviously it's an enterprise. Yeah, by the time I was gone, I was in Miami.

Sunny Barger had throat cancer. He moved to Cave Creek because of the dry climate. And then they allowed the dirty dozen. My old brother in the Mesa chapter, Chico, or more he died but uh by this time i was in miami and so chris well back to chris so you you meet chris you get married she leaves she leaves the fiance right we we meet the mother we meet

the mother-in-law um you know chris chris has me go over to their expensive uh town home where they're living for dinner and uh by this time i had to go fast jet bike i'd strip down the shovelhead to put an S&S kid in it, you know, essentially borne stroke it. And I turned around and I'm driving it riding a jet bike. Right. And I remember Hell's Angel looking at that thing. We were building rice rockets and putting them into rigid frames like a chopper. But it was a it was 1,100 Kalasaki, you know, and he told me, he says, man, you're Harley's going to get back at you for this. And a guy turned left in front of me a few months later. And it was a bad wreck. And this time I didn't get any insurance money like I always did.

when I wrecked when I dropped one of my one of my motorcycles so anyway yeah we got married and then moved into a house and she kept dancing and I got in that wreck and then we flew back to my mother I called mom and she started sending me quite a bit of money through Western Union every week to by this time mom moms and she she had told me you know we learned basic seamanship when we had lived there in Miami for a year you and Doug yeah right best of my brothers, so we knew basic seamanship. She wanted me to come home.

She wanted me to, see, me and Chris got married, 79, 80. We flew to Miami for a honeymoon. And that's when, you know, flew into Miami. And I was pretty, I needed an operation. I was pretty messed up from the wreck. And she and I got married and flew into,

to Miami. And then mom had a home in the ocean. And, you know, we had lived in another, essentially another property that her sugar daddy years before, when we first came to Miami in 73 in Miami Shores. And this was still Miami Shores, but it was right there on the intercoastal.

So then I kind of realized when I came in the house, there were 80-pound bales of, you know, four-car garage, three-four-car garage would be 80-pound bales, stacked up along the walls. And I told my wife it was fertilizer for her botanical, you know, garden that she had out back and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, a few days. So, yeah, we partied for a better part of two weeks.

And, you know, a lot of coat. Right. Back in the old days, Pabble stuff, Griselda's stuff, you know. And back in the day when it was 93% in, you know, ether, the good stuff. So we were, and I had been in Arizona for so long since I had come back in 73. By this time it's 79. And my mom had pulled me aside and she says, you're brun. brother. Listen, the heroin. You know, Doug, by that time, was, Doug was a

multi-millionaire when he was 18. Right. So, you know, they, uh, 19. So the, she says, you got to come home. You got to, you got to come home. She was afraid he was going to kill himself, right? Like he was going to end up over, overdose or something. And they would bring in the loads and some, and some Italians were coming down from New York or wherever. And they would take the load, you know, they would, mom would flip the load to them. And, uh, the Colombians were front on the load. They were front the mom to load. And then, you know, she would, uh, they'd come down. She'd flip it for a percentage for, for a nice profit in a few million, two, three million, whatever, five. And then the, she would pay the

Colombians and she was getting pretty cheap, of course, you know. And then, uh, that's, that's the, that's the way it was running. So, but I told, you know, so, but Chris wanted to go back to work in, uh, Phoenix. So she flew back before me. And then I stayed in Miami. And we, Me and my kid brother and some real close friends, we took a little, Doug says, let's go out in the boat and go to Nassau. So we went to Nassau and gambled, you know, and those days were pretty decadent. Had about, had a pound of Coke on the boat. It was the friend's father's sport fish, Hatteras, or excuse me, a Bertram, a 53-foot Bertram.

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weeks and then a few things went down and I had a little bit of cash and I flew back in to Phoenix and by that time I had quit the club and because the motorcycle the injury from that wreck I've been down about 50 or 20 times and during my tenure riding all those years but I had three major wrecks and the third was a charm like they say in Vietnam three in a match the third one was the the worst and it was pretty debilitating and i needed an operation so mom volunteered to pay for it but you got to come home to miami right i want you to and i told her mom chris doesn't like miami and my mom's essentially my mother's exact words you dumped that flaky bitch right and mom mothers know and get your ass back home and get on the boat so she basically wanted you

you and your brother to captain the boats to go pick up marijuana So mom could live her her her um luxurious lifestyle exactly

hey listen she was the brains mom the feds were never ever the DEA the FBI they were never able to outsmart her never so that's the bottom line while she was alive you know we had a lot of heat

years later they had a lot of heat and, you know, they were, I would sit there at the house at night, you know, high, you know, high on, on blow and sit there and watch a car go. She had a boyfriend that she met a younger kid and his father was a boss in the Gambino family. Right. Joe Paterno. So they, you'd see a cargo by a couple of Joe's button guys would drive by. Then you'd see another car go by about an hour later with undercover vehicle with the shortwave burials, and you see another one like that one go by in about an hour late.

I just sit there at night and watch four or five cars go by in a five or six hour period. So, you know, we were under heavy surveillance, but mom just said, no, we're going to take the, we're not going to offload over here at the warehouse where we're usually bringing it up here into the inner coastal here in Miami. We're going to bring it down to the keys, you dumbasses. We're going to offload it there and bring it up in trucks, right under their noses. And we got another warehouse. And so, you know, we were never, never busted for any.

load ever by the you know although they tried to get mom they did they did come in the house which I believe when we were in Coleman you pull you you you got that the indictment mom was indicted for cocaine in 1975 in in Miami she got it quashed or she brought her the way no she took it to the Supreme Court yeah and there was a corrupt judge named Ellen Morphonius. She tried to extort Mom for 10 grand. And then mom was a little, has said some derogatory things about Morphonius

and the phone was tapped. On the phone. Yes. So on the phone, she says, she's mouth, they had a, well, it was a bail bondsman, right? The bail bondsman came and said that Marphonius

wants. Detectes. Oh, okay, they want, 10 grand. They gave the tape. They wanted 10,000. Initially, they wanted 10,000. And then, um, mom was pretty upset about that.

And then she said a few derogatory things about Morphonious and that kid said it on the phone. Like she knew the phone was tapped and she still called up what, uh, she was talking to one of her gangster friends. Right. And she's. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, some wise guy.

And it came back and the detectives came back over and played the tape for it and says, now Morphonius wants $100,000. My kid brother's out in California at this time. Doug had, Dougie had to help raise the 100 Gs to give to Marphonies because Morphornees said it's 100,000. Remember, this is the 70s. Yeah, yeah.

That's a lot of money in the mid-70s. That's a lot of money now. Yeah. You can imagine back then. That's like half a million dollars. So they raised the money and gave it to that corrupt piece of, right so work and uh you know the invective vernacular anyway so make a long story short um or before the the detectives initially told mom it's a hundred grand or you're going to

prison so she she quashed the case but mom took it to the Supreme court and that's what you pulled up when we were in Coleman right and you know Marlene Hudson aka the lady the lady yeah so versus the state of Florida So I was What at this point So when is that well this is that that's 75 but we were up to about 79 When did Doug get grabbed? Because he got grabbed twice

Doug got grabbed in the Bahamas on a load And Got grabbed the first time And the Bahamians Took Doug into the Fox Hill Right And they I was still in Arizona then

but I didn't you know so uh Fox Hill was like an an infamous prison right in the Bahamas like horrible. Yeah it was yeah yeah probably this is bad if not worse the as Colby and Adeleste where Doug wound up in prison in Cuba in 83 right when I had already came home from that federal

prison camp for the two million in interstate transportation so what happened with so he's he's in the Bahamas mom calls the Colombians and says As Doug's in the, in Fox Hill, the Colombians go to the, essentially the story that was given, that Dougie gave me and mom, they, the Colombians went to the jailer. I got to a jailer in the Bahamas and say, we'll give you a 50 Gs, 25 now and 25, you know, when you, when the kid comes, when the kid comes home, we'll have a cigarette sitting down there in the, in the arena. So sit there, so they put a cigarette boat, the Colombians put a cigarette boat in the marina and the, and the, Prison guards let him out.

Like they let him escape. They leave a door open. Apparently one individual that they were able to get to. Right. And, but this individual decided he was going to keep the money and his job and gave up Doug. And when Doug got in that,

in those days, you had to open, you had to run the blowers. You had to open up the, the blowers on the boat to get all the gas fumes out of it. Otherwise, you could go up like a, like a Roman candle.

Right. So Doug's in, Doug got down in the marina. got in the boat and here comes a could have been a hatteras or a Bertram that they had confiscated converted by the 30 caliber or 50

up on deck with a 5,000 counterpower searchlight and you know so Doug just took off he didn't even know he took off didn't even run the blowers for a minimum of three minutes and took off and they opened up on him and there was quite a few

holes in the boat Doug made it to Fort Lauderdale and you know that was it and from to my knowledge the Colombians found out that the jailer had double crossed him and he never had a chance to spend that money all right so you know so then so basically you come so what happens with you you come back you come back to Miami uh what happened with Chris well Chris I came back home and we were together for about a year and it got to the point where mom told me finally listen you're coming home I need you need to come home and get on the boat because Doug is going to kill himself he's going to OD so his heroin problem

had gotten a little out of hand but listen I'd had the same I had done the same thing but I had essentially kicked it back in 73 you know when I bought that first Harley so he you know was really giving mom fits and the whole operation could you know because they would get a hundred thousand dollars up front as a captain's fee before he ever got in the boat the you know the people the the Italians that were buying the marijuana were given Doug a captain's fee and that would essentially cover any expenses that may that they might incur in case he got interdicted you know the the Coast Guard boarded him or he wound up in a foreign prison somewhere right so they could get him out like he did winding up when Castro got him so um my then I told mom Chris hates Miami she doesn't want to go back there and then you know she said get rid of her so but I wasn't I was I loved her I didn't want to leave right now and uh so mom essentially had been sending me quite a bit of money and I still needed to get that operation so she kind of cut me off right so we wound up just living together and she was still dancing at that club and I was doing a few

things I was still stealing harleys here and there and doing a burglary here or there and uh I put together a score um her mother her the mother-in-law was a uh quite a quite the hater and the fact when chris came home from her honeymoon they'd never got a lawn together and chris had told me one time that they had gotten to fight and put each other in the same hospital room in separate beds across from each other and i was like and chris was a beautiful beautiful woman but she was tough it's about five nine you know so uh um she was a definitely a a 10 so anyway we we would fight on occasion and And I put together a score that my good friend Lumpy had run across.

He was a carpenter at excellent. I used to hammer and nails with him and frame houses years before when we were younger. And he said, yeah, he did a room edition for this real wealthy Jewish guy that owns a jewelry store. And he's building a bigger jewelry store. So all of his inventory is in an alarmed part of the property. you know about 5,000 square feet and Lumpy essentially gave me a layout of the and we went over there and I sold a little bit of gold to the guy

and I got a, you know, and I did a little recon you know and I saw it was heavily alarmed proximity, you know, LEDs on the doors, tape on the windows and as we're driving away on Lumpy's porch he says to me and that we're smoking to join, I'm just staring out the window and Lumpy looks over me and knows what I'm thinking and he goes, no, there's no way, there's no way

you're going to be able don't even think about it i go you know there's he says i says to him i says you know there's got to be about 17 or 18 pounds of of gold gold was a 550 dollars an ounce then was the highest it had ever been and and hanging on the walls just in chains and diamond pendants and uh you know displays uh you know and you know for cardier Rolex blah blah blah blah all the diamond rings so love you goes forget about it you're not going to be you You'll never get, he says you could try going up in the attic and crawling across the home into the guest house where everything was being kept under, you know, the whole, the whole property was heavily alarmed and you could jump through the drywall.

And I thought about that for a minute and then I tried that one night, you know, I would scope the residence and the individual was gone. You know, there were two cars of driveway, a new Mercedes, diesel, and an El Dorado. So I knew he had a wife and a couple of kids, and I went back there and tried that. I tried to move the attic enclosure up about two inches and the alarm went off. So I told Lumpy, listen, you idiot, this is proximity. So what I did was eventually get a schematic of the alarm system, and I went back there. The guy went on vacation.

I just happened to get lucky. So I went in. And it took eight hours. It was one of the hottest nights in Arizona history. It was 108 degrees at, uh, 8 or 9 o'clock at night. It was like 101 or 1002. I had a young kid whose girlfriend

worked at the squeeze bog with Chris. And I went in there. And it took about eight hours. I cut the alarms. I essentially, you know, disengaged the external system, the audible system, the striker, and had special tools

and then cut the glass like Jack Murphy did with an India Star Sapphire, the long ruby, and back of the day, but mine were a little, my entry was a little more professional. And I tied off the alarm system, this is the tape, and I got in, and I told this kid, listen, it was a cul-de-sac, so you had an alley, and then you had to run around the side of the home, had a pool, had a, it was about 5,000 square feet, had a big swimming pool, I says, tap on that side window, if you see any police coming down, there's a pool, there's a

only one way to get in right coming down the street it was at the end of that street at a cul-de-sac off of glendale avenue and 12th street so uh as i stepped up to the room where all the inventory was i could actually feel this it was glowing red and feel the the almost a hum an audible hum from all the service that was being running there and i you know had a ski mask on and you can see the LEDs across the doorway on the two feet up, a foot up, and then from, you know, so that the light-emitting diode

would trip the alarm, so you had to dive between them. So I threw the duffel bag in there, dove between them, stood up, and as soon as I stood up, they had a backup system that wasn't on the schematic and the damn thing would, the alarm system was sold out,

it woke the dead. Right. So it had to have woken up at least five, square blocks. But you're already in. The kid left me. It scared him to death. But I was in and I wasn't leaving.

And in Arizona then, burglaries were prosecuted for, you had had a window of maybe five to eight minutes before they were, the Phoenix Police Department, burglaries were heavily prosecuted. And I went away on. And you've already been to prison. Yes. So a second offense carried a men, man of. 15 yeah and i've been doing them all along when i built the motorcycles you know so you know

i had the i had the uh the butterflies the whole time i was doing burglar i did some high-end burglaries when i was building the first the second panhead you know and uh that keith conned me into building um so uh the alarm went off and i stayed in there i looked at my watch I was in there for nine minutes. I got every last bit of inventory and got stuck coming out the window because there was just this tiny pain that I had cut to open.

These windows cranked open, but I tied off the alarm. You know, with the alligator clips and all that kind of jazzed and it didn't matter because all that time I took, you know, it was immaterial because I set off a backup system.

Right. So by this time you can hear voices of the neighbors. In fact, the neighbors did come outside one time when I was on a two-story ladder that I used, the neighbor, that the individual that owned that property, I used his two-story to go up and, and, and, uh, um, disengaged the audible system with the bell and the striker. I took that all apart, but there was another one inside the attic.

Anyway, I got out of there and made it back to the, uh, we had parked across a main, uh, a main thoroughfare, Glendale Avenue and an apartment complex parking lot right there and I went and walked back through and got and this kid was sitting in his Jeep and I had about 30 pounds 40 pounds gold diamonds you know and watches you name it and I threw it in the back of his jeep he never knew I had it and I got in and my little brother wanted to kill him when he found out because my little brother this in my they had essentially helped me with how to tie out the system because I was not a cat burglar per se right I did.

burglaries but I was more of the Jimmy the door with a crowbar vice grips you know get in get out and you know so but this one was a little different so we waited and about 20 cars come up with the lights flashing and the helicopter is already over the property with the search light

but it was but the I watched the helicopter go across this property was west of us and I noticed it went across 12th Street which we were sitting on facing north and Glendale ran and east-west. And we were right there on the south-eastern corner of 12th Street, right on the street.

And I'm watching, and the cops were making the left as they went up. There was a canal that runs around Phoenix, and they had made a left. And I'm looking over at this kid. And I says, they went the wrong way. So we just sat there for a while and waited. Then they finally came back across 12th Street and went the right direction. And I says, let's get out of here. So that was it, you know.

I went back home, woke up Chris. you know she uh and then and this kid you know i was a little upset that he left me there and i says where's all the tools they had all my prints on them right snap on uh you know roll out the lease you know belcro that i that i used to you know the glass cutter everything had my pre kills i threw it in the alley i had to go back there early the next morning and find the the toolkit that had all my prints on it and get that so you know we fenced off the stones just the stones alone i went and i hitchhight down 12th street and uh went to to a culture cadillac and bought a bought a brand new seville cash and rolled back up you know this is 1970 yeah

yeah 179 80 and then you know and then we moved the gold it took a while but chris had come home on our honeymoon a year and a half before and had told her mother everything because one morning in Miami she woke me up he says I want to help your mom do the laundry and oh we smoked some of that fertilizer so and I said oh my I says oh shit I says look I that we better we better have a talk so I told him his mom's a smuggler I says what do you mean I says she brings in you know large amounts of marijuana on boats from Columbia so Chris went back and she never got along with her mother, and they essentially hated each other, and she liked to really

just get under her mom's skin so she told her everything. Oh, Michael, you think you're wealthy? Her mom, she says, Michael's mom cleans house and a nine-carat marquee diamond. So you think we're wealthy, so her mother's threatened to go to the police.

And I had to call my mom and tell her who left the call back and left the message on our answer machine when Chris and I came back from the club one night, because she go dance and i just go in the club and you know drink play foosball right galaga you know and uh sit there and watch her dance and then we would go across the street to uh to like a denny's was called a carols have breakfast and go home and uh she says uh my mom says michael it's your mother

she says uh tell your tell your wife that if her mother goes to the police i'll have her killed and that pretty much put the kibosh on her mom going to the cops right so and it kind of our marriage was a little it was just look you know the mother-in-law she was right in the middle of it she just she couldn't help but but just try to just disrupt the whole thing and we loved each other you know but I I feel this way Chris did the right thing because she when we did when I did that score it got us on our feet You know, she turned around and she went and told her mom. And she says, the cops are going to come in that condo that you two live in

and they're going to take you to jail along with him. But she and I started arguing about something. And then she eventually, you know, she eventually took off. Right. So by that time, I had, you know, I ended up meeting Johnny Patterson and we started stealing the heavy equipment. And I moved out of there real quick. to try to cover my tracks into a luxurious condo,

bought an El Dorado to match my silver, Seville, brand new, and that's what I was doing. Right. And I dropped, you know, by this time I went underground, you know, and started doing the disco thing. So, you know, we're doing the disco deal, and that's essentially what my lifestyle then. It was discos and Phoenix and cocaine and discos.

You know, and flipping a pound of Coke here. and you know a couple of pounds of pot there was your mom still moving oh yes just marijuana or had she switched to coke no she didn't start they didn't go to the cocaine until i came home you know yeah because the there was a lot of heat with the federal government on the marijuana when they when they uh you essentially think of the terms think of the movie scarface when tony's telling, you know, Alex, he's telling, hey, you know, this is not a, that's not a cakewalk anymore with the new, you know, spy in the sky technology. The feds had the floor, the forward looking infrared radar, the look down, shoot down radar, which is essentially

the same technology that he had in the F-14s in the Tomcats then. Right. That looked down, shoot down, you know, the infrared signature of a boat, the wake signature would give it away. running hot they could see it it's bright red they knew it wasn't you know that it was low in the water and they would contact a coast guard cutter and say you might want to check this boat out here's the coordinates see so you had to really know where the where the ghost guard was at mom knew she they had the grid system they knew where they're pretty much where they ran and what times the of the year you know but remember you got a window you got a you got a window to go to Columbia you got hurricane season any kind of storm out there we had a friend that named

Doyle that got lost out there when a kid that Doug grew up with in Arizona they went to grade school together they were best friends he brought him out to Miami put him on the boat and Hurricane David caught him right and they were never seen again so and this was running a load for your mom they loaded up yeah yeah and I was still in Arizona then I was still me and Chris were living together and I was still in the dozen and I had to go convince the kid's mom not to go to the feds or go to the I said mom's trying to find out where if he if they got interdicted and they're in a foreign prison someplace right so you know but you think it was a hurricane we knew it was a hurricane

right yeah but that was the story we had to give the kid's mom right you know she did she knew nothing about the boats unless he had told her but she never did the poor she was a junkie herself the kid was a junkie right but Doug got him out to Arizona, got him out to Florida to dry him out and took him from Arizona to Miami. And I guess, you know, like the impact of Doug pretty, pretty tough because the kid wound up. That's, that's a, you know, that's not a good way to die going down in a hurricane.

You know, think of the movie. What is the name of that movie? With Walberg. It's a great movie. Yeah. Oh, man. The perfect storm? The perfect storm.

Perfect storm. Think about that. Yeah. going down like that you're you're fighting for what a day it might take a day it might take eight hours no tell how long it takes for that boat to go down to davy jones so that's it so i i uh no sorry for me the the references are i can see the boat going up you know and i as soon as he said davy jones i immediately see fires the caribbean with davy jones where he's got the the squid sorry there you go

So, you know, so me and Johnny Patterson started stealing the heavy equipment, two brothers that I had known when I was an outlaw biker. I got in a lot of fights in North Phoenix, and they were bouncers at a club called the Foggy Bottom, and I beat a guy up in there pretty bad. So I had 50 or 60 hand-to-hand combats when I was a dirty dozen. And, you know, I got in a lot of fights before that because essentially the dirty dozen, I started hanging out with them. They would call you a leaner, you know, and the ones that weren't in a club. club because the dozen owned Arizona and they or they had they had ran 15 or more outlaw motorcycle gangs out of Arizona killing them and shootouts uh you know you name it um when I was still in grade school the dirty dozen took over and and owned Arizona like

the HAA owned California right so uh you know um you were boosting and trucks or the uh yeah we were we were uh these two brothers were bouncers at this club and they introduced me to john at a party one night they lived in a nice pretty much a nice home pretty much like you know like like you ran here right i came in there and i said and that one's driving a new corvette and nobody's got a new four-wheel drive truck and i'm thinking they're not doing too badly right and it was a high-end neighborhood they're not doing too badly for being bouncers because i'll still ride my bike right and uh we went to a to a party and a kegger and there was this guy in there another guy

and his brother were terrorizing all these two or three hundred kids there one guy the the taller of the brother was a the two brothers was about six foot ten six nine if he was an inch and the other one was about six four six five and I went outside with some dudes got in there in there a van to do a you know to do a bump and we were in there and we heard a bunch of noise

and they were going around pitching all the girls and he asked and they were across the street under a streetlight and had these three or four guys out there backed up, you know, across the street. And then this guy was, hey, man, that's them two guys that are, you know, walking around the party. So I went outside and I said, hey, man, calm down. Everybody be cool. I'm just starting to come on to this blow. And anyway, the one of them come, I just kind of touched him on his elbow and he kind of swung back at me. And he had, these were sidewalk commandos. These are the guys that are wearing in Harley jackets, but they don't have any motorcycles.

My bike was parked right on the front lawn of that kegger, and I was wearing my patch. Right. And I just, you know, I leaned back, you know, and I was trained by a Golden Gloves champion in the state prison in Arizona named Bobby Golden out of Oregon. So I was pretty, really, really good with my hands. And I leaned back a little bit, but the tip of the zipper caught me in my lip, as he saw. as he backhanded at me. Get your hands off me, man.

So I ran him down and knocked him out. Had to run him down. He tried some karate stuff and all that jazz. And I just, you know, blocked the kick. You blocked all of his kicks and I ran up on him and knocked him out with a hook. Well, the brother run up on me. I heard him running up. He left these other four guys and ran up on me.

And I hit him on an overhand and he went right down. And I thought, you know, I heard a little noise like you're pulling. pouring a beer out slope and by that time we could hear the sirens coming and the higgins brothers ones that years about a year and a half later ratted me and johnny out well see they got busted for for coke twice and they had been stealing the heavy equipment with john that's how they're able to for that house they've been stealing the heavy equipment they got busted and they and they're both snitches right so i had thought about coming back to arizona and killing them both years later but mom said put it put a stop to that now no we don't need that kind of heat

But it would have been simple because we were, you know, we were highly trained in that and that kind of thing because, you know, all the guys, all the gangsters that mom knew and all this kind of crap. We knew how to get rid of somebody. They were never seen again. So, um, so I turned around and, uh, we ran to their house and the cops came and not to get off on a tangent, but about that two years later, I had a buddy names, names, I'm not going to mention his name, but he was coming out to Miami, getting a, uh, getting a couple of pounds of

Coke and taking it back to Phoenix. We went out there. By this time, Chris had left, and I was living, you know, over there in a, in a luxury condo. He bought a new Jeep. We went out to the river, went four-wheel. So these guys, we saw some guys doing four-wheel, and they had another one of those kind of vans. And, hey, you want to come in and have a drink and, hey, nice Jeep, blah, blah, blah. We went in there. So we're sitting there. And there's about four or five us in there. And my, my buddy was very, very clandestine. He was very close-lipped and very professional. He was rather well to do with the operation he was running between Miami and, you know, and Phoenix. And one of these guys pips up and says, hey, you were at that party with the Higgins brothers.

You knocked those two brothers out because everybody came out in the front lawn when it happened and started clapping. Right. So then we hear the cops coming and the Higgins brothers, because we better get out here. So we went to their house and hid, even though the cops knew where they were at, we saw them driving by all night. So we essentially sat in there and did Coke all night and just peeked to the curtains and watched the cops coming back and forth in front of the house.

He goes, I said, no, no, no, you got me missed because my hair was cut. It was, you know, and the beard or the, you know, the food man chew was all gone and clean shave and he goes, no, no, it's you. I go, no, man, it's not me. Scott's looking over at me going, hey, man,

whoa, hey. And I said, listen. No, you got me messed up with somebody else. The guy goes, no, man, it's you. So finally I go, okay, okay. I says, yeah, it was me. He goes, man, you were in the dirty dozen. I says, nah, that was a while back, not anymore. So I says, by the way, I said, Scott goes, I think we should leave, you know,

because he was really close-lipped and he didn't want any kind of notoriety at all. I go, look. I said, so what happened with that guy? He goes, he says, you cut an artery in his cheek. He almost bled to death. He lost like three quarts through his cheek, but before they got him to the emergency room in the ambulance. So I was just like, you know. but uh

that's a bullet yeah so that's the kind of you know that's the kind of that's how it was in the club it wasn't a week didn't go by it seems i couldn't avoid it so that's what was going on when i when i when i spotted chris at that club and i kind of started getting away from from by the president of my chapter got really upset i was his protege he was grooming to become a warlord but i didn't after a couple of years of that matt two years or three years of it i really didn't want to do that anymore I really wanted something different.

When I saw her and got to know her, I had this wild, so I had this hooker that was bringing me $500 a night. She worked at a massage parlor, a girl, a lady named Paul, a little older than me, a couple of kids, but we lived together. And me and Rabbit, the president of the Tucson chapter, he had a girl that worked with her. And me and Rabbit were really, really, really tight.

And we had a little safe house in Phoenix nobody knew about. So that's where we were ensconced, and that's where we lived. And, but at the same time, you know, I really didn't, that that dozen lifestyle, it started to get, there was only a matter of time before you wound up going back to state prison. Right. For something that was, I had a roommate named Big George and another one named Hillbilly. They got in a fight at a bar and it happened to turn, it was under surveillance and they,

and an undercover cop got in the middle of it. And Big George, he was about 6'10. And, uh, he, he broke the guy. job big george and hill they wound up doing five years in the state prison in arizona at that time that's when i started wanting to distance myself from the club so so you got so you started you started um stealing like the tractors and stuff like that how did you get caught for that well the higgins brothers got busted for for cocaine twice in one month uh that was the that was the story i got later on but they came out in the discovery and they

flipped Johnny to an FBI agent named Hank Webb out of El Paso, FBI, Special Investigations, El Paso had the equipment thefts, the head of the whole investigation, Hank Webb, an FBI agent. And they introduced Johnny to Hank Webb under the guys. He went under the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, alias cowboy the Rolex the cowboy hat the boots

the gold the bling and we started meeting this guy at a famous restaurant in Phoenix called the Green Gables so one now by this time we're making we're making a lot of money they're flipping giving us 30 40,000 a pop

for each piece of equipment that we're running across the state line we go to Gallup we run run from Phoenix to Gallup we steal one in New Mexico and run it to Las Vegas because we steal one in Las Vegas, bringing down to Phoenix. So it was like a triangle. Right. So me and Mike,

and we had a kid named Mikey liner that was hot wiring the vehicles for us, the equipment. So we had to make sure we got out of Arizona. By the time the sun came up, we wanted to make sure we were across the state line before the identifying the plate number and the serial numbers on those,

on the heavy equipment and whatever it is else we had taken, you know, came up on the NCIC. You know, that's all they had back then. So, you know, the Higgins brothers gave up Johnny to the feds in order not to go to jail for, these are pretty, these kids were half-ass tough, but either, I could have whooped either one of them. All right. You know. And in fact, the guy that I beat up one night and I came back a week later when the dozen had gone in there because of all those Ohio bikers,

we'd see about 50, 60 bikes from Ohio with Ohio plates. So one night at a meeting of the dozen, my president. President, Fat Al, says, we're going to go in there. Don't anybody wear any dirty dozen paraphernalia. Go in there undercover, no bikes. We're going to find out what's going on with these Ohio guys. So we went in there and I got in a fight with some guy, some big biker that, and I was really young too.

I was still 22, 23, clean-shaven, looked awful young with the, you know, and didn't realize I was what the dirty dozen. He knew a couple of them, but he got mouthy. You know, one thing led to another, and I led him. up in there, knocked all the teeth out of his mouth, put the boot to him once I kicked him under the bar. But when I went back a week later, the owner of the bar goes, that's that guy that was here a week ago and told the Higgins brothers throw him out. And they go, you throw him out. Now, then we met and we went outside. We talked and that's when we started, we got

pretty friendly and they invited me to their house. You know, I started going in the club. I told the owner, listen, man, I'm alone. That what happened last week, it was just a flute thing. Listen, And the guy tried me and look, that's what happened. So he goes, okay, I says, I'm not coming in here with any brothers. We're not coming in here in force. So that was it. And then when the Higgins brothers got busted about a year later for the Coke, they, you know, they turned around a year and a half later. Because remember that during that interim, I married Chris, went back and forth, went to Miami.

So that was it. They gave up Johnny Patterson to the feds. We sold a bunch of heavy equipment to the feds. And you? No, it didn't give me yet. wanted to get me away from it they gave up johnny only johnny kind of wanted to be the uh the spokesman then how did you go to prison for the heavy equipment john would meet our buddy our Hank webb the fbi agent cowboy at the green gables restaurant once a month we would go there in a limo or we would

meet together i'd draw john drives corbett i would go over there were going to meet cowboy five or six and you go in this place on a Friday or Saturday and now you got people stand it's a gazillion degrees outside you go in there and when I would notice that we would be sitting

at a table like this and there would be people all around us but four or five of the tables and one of the one of them you know you had to have a reservation they're not occupied there's and then you had some upraised diets where there were tables

and booths pictures on the walls it was done in a green gables done in an english tutor type of style right they had a guy sitting outside on a horse wearing a suit of armor in phoenix i used to walk by the guy and look up i goes man you got to be cooking i says man are you alive and and you'd hear him mumbling obscenity under his suit of armor i said man this guy's got to be i don't know what they were painted to sit on that horse wearing that suit of armor but anyway we sit down there and cowboy Hank webb would walk in and we would talk and John did all the talking. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

We can bring in and we're going to bring up a dump truck next week. We'll meet you in Vegas. We'll meet you in Vegas. We'll meet you in Gallup. We're going to bring a grader on a, we're going to steal a low boy and a Peterbilt or a Kenworth and bring it to Gallup. You would tell him essentially what we're going to grab and where to meet us. I never said a word.

Four or five clandestine meetings with this guy. And the last meeting we had, the Fed looked. over me and he goes you know mike i got up to leave i was pretty roared out by then i was cutting those big railroad locks with a set of special boat cutters bolt cutters excuse me to get get you know mike lyder would cut a hole we would cut a hole in the fence he would go in there tried to get the dobermans out hotwire a couple of trucks move them out of the way to get to the guy's prized tractor and then we would he would call me on the radio and patterson being the chicken shit that he was he would sit down the road about a block where he could kind of keep an eyeball

honest, you know, I eyeball the whole deal. I would tell you, I tell Lider, you got to get the air pressure up to 100 pounds. Once the air pressure was up to 100 pounds, he would let me know. And I would cut the lock, roll the gates back, and he would come through. I would shut the gates and then put another lock that matched the one that I cut to when the contractor, his key wouldn't work in the lock. It would be just a... Give you another hour or so, yeah, give me another, yeah, a little more of a window to get

across the state line. So in that last meeting, I get up and I shake, I tell you. John, I'll see you at the club later, and I would, you know, and I looked over at the Fed, cowboy, and I said, well, nice seeing me again. And he goes, you know, Mike? He tried that little cowboy, that, that hick, freaking accent, he was actually from El Paso. He goes, you never say nothing, do you? I go, well, whatever.

I says, no, I ain't got nothing to say. I says, Patterson here, let, let John do all, I let him do all the talking. I left. well he goes i'll pick you up in the limo he yells over at me as i'm leaving he goes i'll pick you up in the limo tonight as usual and we were going to a to a bar a club called the store the biggest country western bar in the united states at the time was gillies in texas right in uh in uh houston dallas i forget but the second largest was the store in phoenix and that's where we would go and you know millions of girls blah blah blah

He picks me up in the limo. Urban Cowboy was shot in Gillies. There you go. Yeah. You know what Urban Cowboy is? No. Travolta. Travolta, yeah.

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and I would go after that thing at the store. John, it was a deal with him. All the girls were all over him, the blonde hair, the buck teeth, the skinny body the Jordash jeans so I would go I would go there and hang out with him for an hour or two drink and I'd say I got to go right so I'd have the limo take me back to order to my condo and I jumped my car and I wanted to go to the disco

right a lot of close friends that were in there so you know I was flipping a lot of coke in there anyway John getting that that last meeting he says to me he says man you really embarrassed me in front of that cop I mean excuse me you really embarrassed me in front of cowboy you know he really embarrassed me And I said, let me tell you something, man. I said, you dumb ass, don't you think it's weird?

Every time we go in there on a weekend or a Friday or a Saturday that there's nobody sitting around us? What are you saying? I said, I don't know. I said, I'm just saying I got a bad feeling about, you know, I, he goes, no, man, everything's good. They've given us $300,000 already for all the stuff. We, all the heavy equipment, you know, long story short. They waited for us in Gallup. We went to Las Vegas, took the hit tab construction,

the largest non-union construction company in Las Vegas in Nevada, and took his prize pewterbilt, and went to a job site and took a grader and took it into Gallup, and they were tailless the whole time. They, I would, me and liner would have the chase truck, a big dully with a snap-on toolkit. We could change a tire on a tractor. That's how much equipment we had, air compressors and everything.

We would go to a motel and wait. John to get paid and we'd come back and grab him and then you know and so we went back to about an hour or two went by and I saw and I said usually he was back in like 30 minutes and I told the kid liner he goes I said something's not right I says we're going back to Phoenix

when we drove back over there the feds had grabbed John when he pulled in there when we dropped off the you know the heavy equipment the tractor of the low boy and the greater and And they'd grabbed Patterson from Jump Street. The web came, they swooped. So they wouldn't know, they didn't know where we were at, but we came back through again.

And I decided to stop on the interstate at a somewhere. I said, I got to get something to eat. So I went to a Burger King to get two, you know, two double whoppers. And then we're going to, I said, we're jumping. We got enough fuel to make it to Phoenix. And Liner was dumbfounded. He was just the kid, the hot-wired equipment. And Patterson would only flip him 5,000 in a pop, you know.

So being, I knew Patterson was probably skimming off the top on me. You know, but we were, you know, by that, at that time, that was, that was the lifestyle. And, you know, so when we finally, they, they caught us, they had tailed us, and they grabbed us at the Burger King. We ended up in the, in the jail and Gallup. we were taken to Albuquerque a week later federal court arraignment by a we had this this flim flam attorney named Frank Lally

that wore the same jacket with the same suede elbows on his on his jacket same jacket every day that had us signed $50,000 promissory notes so we turned around and I looked at Patterson and I said and Patterson goes just sign the promissory note I says I'm not giving this guy

I says I don't do you You see that he's wearing the same clothes every time he comes. He's a paid-for attorney, and this guy's a bum. And it's a small town Gallup, and they're all telling him, you've got some big shots now. You're going to make some money off these guys. Right. So we went to Albuquerque for arraignment, and they had a highway patrolman that was essentially, you know, driving us back and forth, cuff us up and take us to Albuquerque. Me and John made Bond.

Mom came in. Mom came to Albuquerque. her bondsman in from Miami and we got bond. They bonded me out. John put his house up and everything and that was it. And then it came out on the discovery.

When we would go to that restaurant, there were telephoto lenses and there were shotgun mics in the pictures, in the booths that were unoccupied in the restaurant. And I told Patterson, so when it came out in court,

the judge, Enrique Campos, a federal judge, they had nothing on me. I never said a word. Patterson did all the talking. The judge gave him five years. He wanted to play the, essentially the ringleader, but we were partners, right?

But the judge loved me. And he says, Mr. Hudson, I'm going to give you two jeers in anywhere do you want to go. I said, he goes, I go, he goes, now you know you're pleading to misprision of a felony. Do you understand what that means? I says, Your Honor, it means that I had knowledge of a crime being committed there was a lesser included offense from the interstate transportation i said uh i said yes your honor that means that i had knowledge of a crime being

committed but i didn't report it he goes exactly i go but your honor he said if that was the case i'd be on the phone all day long so the whole courtroom starts laughing blah blah blah the judge starts laughing goes he i really i really enjoy our conversations mr michael he says i'm going to give you two years. I said, I want to go to Safford Federal Prison Camp.

Okay, two years, you got a 90 days to clean up your affairs, you self-surrender. I said, okay. So my Aunt Carol Jean brought me up in my Cadillac, one of my cars.

Patterson got five. Right. He cried in front of the judge. He literally cried. So why should I get, and the judge hated him. And the judge hated, John Patterson,

just hated him. He said, yeah, five years for you. You just went to prison. You get out. I self-surrendered. You self-surrendered. You're there for what, a year, two years?

I did 14 months total. So I wasn't, 17 months you did on two years. Okay. So I did 14 months there and got a halfway house in Miami. Mom flew me in, chartered me from the federal prison camp to Tucson, and I took American Airlines with a two-hour layover in Houston. and flew into Miami to the halfway house. Mom and Doug and Aunt Carol Jean picked me up. Mom took my, took my, we sold the Seville and she brought that,

that brand new elder roller and parked it in the garage at the house in the shores. Okay. Then she, her, they, they drove down, picked me up from the airport. We went back to the house and I had to report in by 10 o'clock. And, uh, um, that was it I drove myself to the halfway house with Arizona

my Arizona drivers lives with Arizona tags on the car so I went to the halfway house in Miami and pulled in there at 10 o'clock at night a little earlier and the guy goes where are you from? Who are you?

I'm Hudson. He goes, well you're the only American Caucasian American in here the rest are Cubans and Colombians and you're upstairs in room such and such, you know, on bed number and that was it. I drove myself in there, and the halfway house then in 83 was essentially almost,

we were under the old law, see? So, like the federal prison camp in Safford had no walls or no fence. You know, if you wanted to walk off that camp, you walked. There was a Mexican that was in there that got indicted, and he found out ahead of time, and he just walked all the way to Mexico. Yeah, yeah, he walked right past us. I worked in the boiler room then. I remember him grabbing one of our rakes

and walking out in the middle and going out towards the desert I go hey man you can't pick that rake up he just kind of smiled at me and grinned and where you going with a rake? And then he just threw that rake over his shoulder to make it look like he was a worker working with us and

but that there was only I was you know there was only 90, 100 men in there at any one time. How many guards? One or two? Oh, maybe maybe a dozen. Maybe more but still maybe 150 guys total

somewhere in there but there wasn't very many it had to be a million dollar crime or more white collar to get into Safford federal prison camp then the only other inmates we had in there that were not in there for a white collar crime were the Indians because they're under federal jurisdiction right so we had a couple of Indians in there

the Apaches one killed his neighbors because he thought they put a curse on him with a hatchet and uh yeah he used to god yeah so um so you went back to Miami like how long were you in Miami you started what captaining a boat no we got back to my I'm still in the halfway house right I mean when you left the halfway house yeah I went I moved out to Miami lakes and I lived with a pretty famous smugglers in the estate States around the corner from Don Shula.

I moved into his house. He had separated from his wife. So his son, Wayne, I moved in there with Bobby Casal's kid and his ex-wife, Audrey, and their daughter lived there, the palatial home in the estates. And that's where I lived for a while before, you know, Dougie got, before we put together a load, Dougie got on a boat to go to Jamaica. And that's when he was interdicted by the Cubans. Oh, okay.

By Castro. Right, right. And so he wound up in prison there. And Bobby, the informant on my federal indictment in 2006, he had already there. He was already there since 79 with a kid who was the son of our next door neighbor. He was the younger brother of the individual that had gotten that, that, got overran by Hurricane David. So Bobby was doing, or was, he was, he got arrested doing a load or bringing in a load for your mom, right?

So he was already there once. He was already there with those guys or with the other crew members. Just one. Just one? Yeah. And then Doug got caught with what, two guys, two Cubans? Two Cubans. Yeah, two Cubans.

An old man and a younger kid. Okay. And the kid was a naturalized American citizen. He was Cuban. But the old man had to escape from Cuba. Under Batista? Yeah, under Batista. And they grabbed him.

When they grabbed Doug, they knew they interrogated everybody. And they put a gun, my kid brother told me, yeah, they put a gun to the old man's head in front of the kid. So we're going to blow his brains out. Unless you tell us what the Greengo Capitan was what's going under because they found weapons on the boat. Right. found an AK and you know Alley Sweeper and you know some handguns and that was it

they they essentially put a gun to the old man's head and told the kid you're going to tell us what's going on or we're going to kill him and he said that we were going to Jamaica to pick up a load so they had believe it or not

they hit Doug with a conspiracy charge which is essentially under a communist regime that's kind of hard to believe that they need a charge like that. Right. That they even need that law. Exactly. So, you know, the Doug wound up in there.

And then he walked in years later and there's, there's, there's young and that kid Dana in there. A kid Dana tried to kill himself three times because that's how bad that prison was. They had a 15 year sentence. They didn't think Bobby had a shootout with the Cubans when they got high and passed out on the boat and drifted into Cuban territory of waters. and they got interdicted by the Cuban Marines. And Bobby went on deck with an M-16. And they, yeah, they shot him up. And then, you know, they were there for four years before Doug wound up,

almost four years before Doug showed up. So. And Jesse Jackson ran for president a few years later. And he got him out. Wait a minute. So he was there. Your mom was going in every month or so bringing food. I did a score in Miami.

Right. And because I was essentially left alone at the time. And so when Douggy never came back with that load, we were, it was just me and mom and my aunt Carol Jean. And, of course, she had her boyfriend, the, you know, the Italian kid, Joey, paternal. And, you know, so that basically we, and so I, I, we only had one more boat. And we didn't, you know, and we had one boat. We needed straps who was up on straps. In other words, it was in dry dock.

We had no way to get it in the water, so make a long story short, that's, I went on the street. Right. So for about two years there, I was on the street, hustling, you know, and doing crazy stuff on the street. And a couple of scores, and I gave mom, like, one score for quite a bit of cocaine. I turned around at the King Cole over there in Normandy Island. and I gave my mother the drugs and she she you know she got rid of them and this is the Grisel de Blanco one right I'm not sure yeah they were they were zips that that were we call the Sicilians yeah yeah yeah but but the but the old man was the one that the Joe Paterno one of

his soldiers named Tommy they're the ones that that turned me on to these guys and he just wanted he just wanted to piece the action so that's what I did I went in there and you know and uh went in there with a mini 14 and a high power 9 millimeter browning and but of course it was what i i would essentially i any kind of this anything like that i try to set it up so there's i i really there's a 90% chance hopefully that i won't have to right discharge my weapon right so i went in you know and i got and i got lucky i got it you know walked out with with enough cocaine to give to mom that she could continue to pay her 25 000 a month nut that she had to come up with every month on the properties and on and everything that we

owned and she could fly then she could fly to Cuba every month and feed those guys right 50 pounds and freeze-dried food that she could have have only 50 pounds because basically were these guys would starve to death yeah in that Cuban prison yeah it was it was uh yeah it was pretty rough Doug was uh and they um apparently they used Doug and and I guess uh Some other white guys that were in there is kind of as like jailhouse guards to watch over the other Americans that were in there. Kind of like a Cool Hand Luke thing. Right. Remember Cool Hand Luke?

Essentially, they had inmates in the movie, and they were also acting as like prison guards. Right. So, but Doug was in there for a while. You know, I guess he used a baseball bat or whatever. You know, but whatever, they kept them in line. And then Jesse Jackson ran. for president and you know the rest is history that he brought them all out right so you know who jesse jackson is right sounds like president to me no so wow so jesse jackson is um jesse jackson was a

a preacher he he had actually studied under or was under um martin luther king right like in all the marches and stuff he was in that whole organization well at some point in the is this the 70s or 80s, early 80s? Let's see. 60s because when was Martin Luther King assassinated? No, no, I'm talking about when he ran for president. Oh, 84. 84. So he ran for president

and one of the big problems with... He got an American downpilot out of Russia. Yeah, I think so. So one of the problems with him is that a lot of the candidates were saying he has no like international experience like this is a civil rights leader like how's he going to run for president so he goes on this mission and he like gets like a downed pilot like out of Russia then he goes and negotiates to get is it 22 or 23 22 Americans 22 Americans gets Castro to release 22 Americans that are being held in in a Cuban prison two of those one of them was was Doug, Doug Hudson, Mike's brother. And the other one was Bobby, what's Bobby's last name?

Young. Bobby Young, which is the guy that ends up, is the guy on his case that worked for his mother. So they actually, so he flies in there on his private plane, gets convinced his Castro to let these guys go. They load them all up and fly them into Washington? Where did they fly in? Flew them into Dulls International in Washington, D.C. Right. And we find out about it.

Joey was the one that come to me. Because my mom and my Aunt Carol Jean had a... RV, the RV? Largest RV at the time. Flewitwood Pace Arrow. She took that... She took that with a diesel. She took that motor home and she drove it to Mexico with my Aunt Carol Jean,

and they loaded it up with pot to the gills and drove it to Boston. And another friend of hers, a famous, pretty famous gangster named Walter Abraham Mets the 3rd, aka Howe. Right. Hal was, he was kind of like a father figure to me for a while there, you know, because when we were all, when Dougie was still locked up, you know, Hal and I did quite a, did some things. with Hal so howe was in Boston and mom and Aunt Carol Jean took the pot up there and then Joey came and woke me up one morning because we were living in the house and just me and Joey in the house and the shores and says hey the Jesse Jackson's in in Cuba and he's

negotiating for the release of the however many Americans are there and your brother's coming home so I called mom and or she called I let her know so Joey and I remember they were flying in when they finally the news media finally let us know when they were coming in I called Channel 7 News and I said it was at night and I said this is a brother of one of the Americans

that Castro released to Jesse Jackson and you know I like to know I like to know when he's going to you know what the some of the details and the lady there I said, this is a night crew.

There's nobody here. But the day crew, the reporters and blah, blah, blah, they'll be here. I said, okay, she goes, I never gave her my name, period, anything. They must have gotten the phone number. But she turned around. She says, what's your brother's name? Is it Douglas, Alan Hudson? The next morning, I'm in the shower.

They knock on the door with a camera crew and Joey let them in, which really didn't go over too good with Joey's dad. Right. And the lady they sent over there was there was Cecilia Fernandez, their crime investigative reporter. And Joey led them in the house. And once they walked into my mother's home, you know, jaws dropped. And I kind of steered them into the family room and sat them down. And, you know, because my mother, it was rather decadent the furnishings. And he's my mom.

Yeah. So the Lali Crystal and all the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, um, the, the, giant brass figurines, the shrimps, and, you know, eight feet, eight foot long brass shrimp and the vestibule in front of the, you know, the windows facing the street, the circuit of driveway, all kinds of, but you know, these, they were literally, uh, kind of blown away by the, you know, by the, uh, they kind of got a gist of what, you know, they had to know drug dealers. They knew something. They already knew. She was the crime investigator reporter. And so I did an interview for just to kind of, well, by that time,

Joy let them in, so, you know, I did an interview for, which the tape, which I got years later from a reporter there named Sally Fitz. They all used to frequent a club in North Bay Village, which was called the Runaway Bay Club. And I saw her, Sally Fitz was a reporter for Channel 7, and I got her to get the tape. They had taken that tape, and they gave it to CNN. So I guess it was on CNN for a couple of weeks or whatever after they came in so who so did your mom and your aunt carol jean went and went and picked him up in the RV they went they left boston and went and went to dulls international and picked up dug and uh then brought him home to miami and bobby was held because he was no bobby was what bobby was on on federal he had a federal

warrant he had a federal warrant um or was on uh or was under indictment when they when he when he was on the boat and uh so they grabbed they they kept bobby but naturally uh the rat you know he somehow he worked out a deal with the feds and probably told him uh you know all kinds of crap and and uh they they said yeah because you were locked up down there they were they were pretty uh lenient with them Because he'd spend that time in prison, Cuban. And so eventually he shows up at our door a few months later. But, okay.

So this is a second time your brother has escaped a prison sentence that probably should have killed him. Yeah. So, I mean, so now, but at this point, like, you guys are, are, he comes back. you guys start bringing in larger and larger loads right now like now you kind of go full tilt into into bringing in loads from what from Jamaica and and

Columbia the kid the kid my Dougie brought in another load from his release it was a little while after his release a load came in We brought in a load and then, you know, he, uh, we purchased a condominium over there on the ocean and then, you know, and then, yeah, there was a, and there was more, uh, you know, some more, um, uh, mischief. What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once Bobby, once Bobby came down and him and Dougie, we, uh, put together a few deals here.

there you know and uh and then wound up with a problem with a guy and then right all right so um so we fast forward right past all the smuggling the the guy would turn out to be a problem right and it's it's it's it's it's uh public knowledge so this guy winds up dead right and uh but this guy was also talking about uh possibly like you guys figure out that he's talking about he's talking He's, he's been, he's been targeting, he was targeting known drug dealers. Well, this, that individual you're referring to, uh, did not come, you got to did not come, come into the, uh, equation until years later when I ended up in a state prison in Florida. See?

Okay. This is after me and Bobby and Dougie ran for a while. and were indicted by the in the Miami city of Miami homicide cops were starting to try to sweat us on a homicide right and we uh yes is this the guy okay is this the guy that shoots at the car

like you guys get to an argument he shoots at the car I set up a deal for a couple of keys in the in the lakes right and and Doug and Bobby essentially blew the whole thing they wanted to go themselves instead of me going and uh and the guy um they brought this guy with him but they didn't take and he he he essentially blew the whole the whole uh deal and uh almost got my brother shot right yeah and by the individual that they were going to do the deal with and then when they got rid of this guy the guy that they brought in right that they should have never because mom said stay away

from him he's you know he's he's uh he's no he's no good so So, you know, I don't trust him. The guy turned around, and when they dropped him off at his rental car, he took a shot because he had a flat tire, and they wouldn't help him, you know, fix it. And he took a shot at my kid brother. So that's they were driving away. Right. So he took, and that was it.

So they, he got, he went to jail, and that's it. He got out, they got, he got out of jail, and they got him to, they got him over into a certain location in Miami and the guy wound up, they found him an alligator alley. Right. So that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what sparked the,

the city of Miami homicide. Investigation, right? The two detectives, Nelson, Andrew and John Spear. John Spear was the head of the city of Miami homicide. City of Miami relegated that entire investigation to them and them only. Nelson Andrew was the, was the,

uh, the, uh, the city of Miami, uh, cop that was the head of the investigation when Grisel de Blancel killed all those killed those guys down in the uh in at the day land mall at crown liquors that was nelson andrew was cuban he was the one that he was the one that investigated that isn't he is he the detective on uh on the documentary uh cocaine cowboys the same doc the same detective those guys are rats so i don't know about it nelson was that nelson was on a documentary about griselda oh yeah yeah yeah not the cocaine cowboys yeah yeah so uh i remember fabio chow

coming to me a few times after I guess it was Men's Illustrated, an article came out about that, about that cocaine cowboy movie and all that. He goes, who is this guy, Mike, calling me Fabito? I says, I don't, there's no, my knowledge, nobody calls you Fabito. Right.

He goes, well, I don't know who is this guy. I said, he's a snitch. This John Roberts guy, he's a rat. So, you know, and the other guy that was, you know, so I says, yeah, whatever. I says, you know, and he, because he had read the, he had read the article. he didn't know he didn't know who this guy is telling him you know they're telling this

this wild bullshit story about fabio you don't know fabio chow you don't yeah so you know you're not uh yeah but i was and i'd read it and he'd asked me about it when when we're in in the pen in georgia right so i have a quote what do you remember when your brother doesn't your brother get doesn't your brother get left in the mountain somewhere is it oh that was years before when i was still in arizona when i was in the federal prison camp what happened they flew up this time they decided to take a dc3 and fly it down there with uh down where columbia okay and where else and uh and they the the the the the house that i when i moved into the estates when i got out the federal prison camp

that was bobby cassal he was a pretty famous smuggler in miami me in his own right. They took a plane down to Columbia and apparently from my kid Brode told me that they had a partner, a guy that lived in Arizona named Chris. Right. And he was partners with Doug and Mom and Bobby on that load that they're going to fly in from Columbia. Well, the federalities didn't get their protection money.

And when they landed the plane, apparently Doug went out in the jungle and, So Doug had to take a piss. So as soon as the plane landed, he goes off into the fucking jungle to take a piss. And they run up on the, on the, and, and, you know, Doug heard shots being fired and everything. And he stayed in that jungle. And, you know, according to my kid brother, the, the, the pilot and the co-pilot were both killed. Yeah, the federalities pull up. So they pull up.

These guys landed on a, on a, on a strip in the mountains. On an air strip up there. right to load to basically load up cocaine or is it marijuana marijuana yeah marijuana and it's like they didn't pay and so they pull the pilot and the co-pilot out you know the plane they're standing there they're like okay you guys didn't pay and they execute them well Doug just happened to be taking a piss in the jungle so he then takes so he takes off and wait you said that the people the guys loading the plane took off too you said the indians those wahitos took him up in the mountains in columbia and And he stayed up there for three weeks, four, three or four weeks. And mom doesn't know what happened to him. My mother was pretty stoic. Even when he, when Doug wound up in prison in Cuba, we never knew where he was at for 30 days. Right.

40 days. I'm like, I'm, I'm a little worried, but mom was like stone-faced. You know, she was just, and eventually he would get a letter from, from Colbynado del Este in Cuba. So anyway, Doug gives one of those Indians a runner, a note, and he runs, they, you know, it's like the Pony Express. Right. He does five miles, and then it gives that note to another Colombian Indian, and he runs five miles, and they get it down to Raul in Bogota, who gets the calls my mother and says, Doug's up here in the mountains close by where the airstrip was, you know, and we,

she got a plane in there to get him out. So he's up there. He loses 10 pounds. He's having a ball, though. He's chewing coca leaves and, you know, like the Indians, you know, and he's up there, but he's got 2.45s, one under each armpit. You know, my kid brother's up there, you know, just waiting it out. And like I said, that's how they got him out.

Mom flew a plane down there and got him out. Where the Zips got, where I robbed the Zips? Yeah. Well, that was while Doug was incarcerated, Cuba. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. We, this happened before Cuba. Yeah, you kind of touched on it. Yeah, so. Um, bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic conman against an egotistical pathological liar. Marcus Schrenker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison and he's

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When we're on the run from the homicide cops, the city of Miami, the homicide cops put the Miami Beach narcotics on me, and they went through an undercover form and tried to step in there for five keys. Right. And mom knew it stunk. He didn't like the way it's, and she says, if we got plenty of money, there's no need for you. But I like to walk around with a big, you know, you know, back then it was just, so I wanted a little extra cash because they had to go to mom and, hey, you know, throw me 50, 20, 30, whatever. And she turns around and says, no, it stinks. And I go in there anyway and they were cops. So.

Right. But you didn't, but it wasn't even, you weren't even going to sell them Coke, was it? You were, it was. Yeah, because in the old days, a lot of times, what Dougie and Bobby used to do a lot. what we did was we would call it we would gaff you get a couple pounds of sugar and gaff it and and uh you might throw an eight ball in there and then you know right where it's at so you throw it you know you you scoop out the the eight ball and if they want to test it they can test it yeah make sure they're not yeah this way this way we're 99% of it's sugar but you've got you know the spot where the ape

where the where the coke is so they they scoop it up and you gaff it so this way it's anything anything crazy goes down you'll know they're not you're not you know they're not you know cops you might and you might say hold on don't freak out but just wanted to make sure you guys were you know who you say you are naturally the cops come in there and hold themselves out to be drug dealers right and they're not so you did that to this guy when and when he pulled out a syringe to test it that's when i the alarm bell went off so i just put my pistol and right up under his jaw and he had a heart attack they thought it was going to be a slam duck but i scared him to death so that was it And then I pretty much robbed them for the cash.

Right. So and but, you know, they. But it didn't work out. Well, of course. Yeah, you want, so I wound up and, uh, undicted for possession of cocaine. They, they, they threw it out there as a kilo because we're going to do a kilo up front first. But what I wanted, you know, I wanted to count all the money for the five keys, but they were hedging on that. They didn't have.

They couldn't get City of Miami Beach to give them that much money to bring to me to count. So we came in, we said, well, I said, well, we'll do two then. See, so let's, you know, and then they, then they, they essentially got me down to, to the kilo, and I said, okay, you know, so that was it. They brought the cash for a key, and it was, you know, almost 30 G's. So that was it. So I, you know, Janet Reno, prosecuted me on that case personally so how much time she yet well we were already on the homicide

investigation the city of miami homicide came into that that house were uh that individual essentially we got was uh we we killed him what they did was they came in looking for forensic pathology blood brain matter blah blah blah and they found a large cache of weapons some real exotic stuff and it took, you know, my kid brother and me years to collect. Mostly my kid brother, so they got my prints on a sawd off shotgun. Right. And that was it. They were

able to get a warrant out for my arrest for the two sawdaws. They found me in Tampa in a safe house. While Doug and Bobby had jumped Florida and had gone to Tennessee to another safe house while we're being investigated and followed all over South

Florida by these two homicide cops and their crew. So make a long story short, they got me in Tampa, here at Tampa, and I went to the Hillsboro, they found me in the safe house, the Hillsboro County Jail, mom bonded me out, and I met a young hooker up here, and I took her back to the condo we had on the ocean in Miami, and then, you know, hung out there for a while, and just kind of, she said, cool your heels for God's sake. And I had an attorney, Mark Krasno, that represented me in that case, and then they tried to set me up for the uh for the for the narcotics and then you know of course the and then they so those two

charges they lumped them together and ran a concurrent there was it was attempted murder a police officer possession of a kilo trafficking possession to trafficking in cocaine possession of you know you know how it is yeah yeah a little shotgun see i hope one of the pellets will stick see so make a long story short we uh that's about the time that uh You know, I started going, my attorney was Jewish. And that's when I, you know, started down, and I couldn't get a, I was on bond on the shotguns. I made bond in Hillsborough County Jail. So I was on bond when I flew back to Miami with that, with that girl.

And then kind of, you know, kind of laying low. But, you know, and everything, you know, with Doug and Bobby being out of state now, where there's a lot of heat, you see. Plus we're with, she, my mom still with, you know, with Joey the the the Gambino captain's freaking kid so you know so we got a lot of heat so calm down trying to take it easy don't do anything crazy but you know I was a little unbalanced at the time you know so I went went for the for the the the street drug by and there were cops right so they they random concurrent the shotguns with the other charges they ran them

concurrent and about that time I started going down to the the, to the chapel and started, you know, going down there with a guy named Willie, who was a Cuban, he got busted for two kilos. So he took me down the chapel and went down there and I heard the gospel and they got saved. Simple. And then wound up, uh, then my attorney's and Janorino's trying to give me 40 years. And every month, they come with a little bit lesser of an offer, 40, 35, 28. And I'm flipping. uping out and they're thinking, you know, and my attorney's going to attempt a murder

on a police officer, the cop's going to test it by. You, you know, you put a loaded pistol up under his, in his neck, put it in his belly or whatever, you know. So their little slam dunk investigation didn't quite go the way they had planned it. So they had a little vendetta. And these guys, look, they try to steal my Rolex when they had me cuffed and all this kind of stuff.

So to make a long story short, court, the attorney comes to me and he goes, we're Jewish. We don't believe in Jesus, but something's going on here. She kept coming down, you know, because he, he initiated an entrapment defense. And back then, here you got these cops holding themselves out to be, to be drug dealers, they're undercover narcotics agents. And so what he did was he raised that entrapment defense and reno still trying to step to us with with an offer that was just for me it was just you know 20 years they got down to around 20 she takes a vacation tells her subordinate sally winthrop offer them uh don't offer them less than 12 they'll think they've got no they'll think

we've got no case well winthrop did was she came to me with five and a half years right now i'd already got a year in a county jail. They, they, they, and they dropped some of the charges, and I had to plead to the men, man for the pistol. So I had, I told my attorney, I got a year in a county jail. I do two more years for the, for the men, man for the pistol. After that, the back of the sentence, I says, they're telling me, they're giving everybody in the state of Florida 120 to 150 days consecutive gain time every month because of the

overcrowding in that, and that judge that had signed that. that, you know, that order to start releasing inmates. Right. So I said, he goes, no, we got this case beat. Five and a half years, they don't have a case. I said, no. You never know. I said, no, that's not, that's not what God's telling me, man.

I said, I tell you right now, that's not what I'm hearing from the Lord. I'm telling me right now, I'm taking the deal. I told your mom that you're going to be home in two weeks. We're going to trial. Well, a famous gangster from Canada, also another friend of Joe Paternals named Willie O'Brien, also known as the Meat Packer. He was a Jewish mobster and a heavyweight. He loved me. And we were all locked up in there together at that time.

Joe got arrested on a murder indictment. Then they got Obie, O'Bron, Willie. They got Obie. And they got a couple of Joe's soldiers. So we're all locked up in there together. And then Obie went to the Jewish attorney and says, give Marlene back most of that money you gave her. Mike's going to plead out.

So the most of that money she gave you, you give it back to her. But he initially told this is a Jewish attorney from Jump Street months before. Make sure you do a good job with Michael or otherwise I'll. Right. So he's coming to me. When he comes to visit me in the Dade County Jail, he's all hyped up and really just a real gun shy and skittish. And I asked my mom, what's going on?

And that's when she came to visit me. She says, Will Obie told him if he doesn't do a good job, he's going to kill him. So I said, what are you doing that for? You know, because at the time, I didn't really realize, you know, the way things would end up and the way things would pan out. So I took the deal and I did the two, I did two more years on the pistol, and then I was, I was out in another, when I, when I started, you can't, you couldn't get the game time while you're doing the men, man, right? Right. Right. After that, the two and a half years in the back of the sentence, it was gone.

So, and when I, and when I, when I pled, the judge, Ralph Persons was apparently, and you and I both know that this is a real rarity. he was a preacher as well as a day county judge so he is always ragging those homicide cops don't come in here and disparage that defendant and tell them about how many tell me about tell this court about how many people they killed and stick to the issues you know and uh or oh i'll i'll charge you with the contempt and then uh you know once i took the deal reno she came back from vacation found out what wine trough had done but i had signed the deal right it was over with and she could hear her screaming in his chambers they had a sidebar and they went into judge's chamber she was screaming at wine trip do you realize what you've done

you know we can't get the mother but you know we we had this guy we had the son but I was home in 89 I was back home in 89 four years well when so when you were locked up though some detective or was it FBI FBI came to see you right because Dougie and when I was when I was when I was when I was I was locked up in Baker Correctional, Doug and Bobby had split up when they're in Tennessee. So they got me first. Right. Right.

Then Doug was still on the lamb. He hooked up with this one of the individuals that was also an informant and in the federal indictment for the for the cocaine. The jumper. That was his, this individual, there were two brothers. Yeah. This was the older brother. They killed him in a federal prison in Midwest somewhere.

apparently he was I don't know yeah claker claker yeah they found they hung him in his cell he was a rat

so like the kid brother they're you know their informants so they make a long story short Dougie hooked up with the older brother whatever his nickname the jumper because he'd escaped from a few jails and they robbed a few banks in Jacksonville

right well I thought it was because he was jumping over the he would run and jump over the I guess because I never knew the guy right I have I read the articles like i remember yeah yeah yeah i never knew the guy i just i was already i was already locked up by then sentenced and up in baker correctional so uh they took dug and put him in prison and and on that shootout in new orleans right so so got shot up in new orleans over that when they were on the run right so they he and he and claker decided to start robbing banks they start robbing banks then they

end up it gets hot and the banks are being watched and they're concerned so they they drive to In $1,000 in cash, and they go to New Orleans. New Orleans, right. And then Doug was told to get to fly to Jamaica, to stay with a big grower that we knew there. Right. A Jamaican had his own, you know, he was a boss. And Doug, we were real close with him, and Doug was going to fly there. Cheney, Chinpo.

And, you know, Chinese. Yeah. Anyway, that very night, they went out and got drunk and called a cab, and Claker got into an argument with the cab driver. and the cab driver took off and Klaker cranked off around at him like an idiot and there were two undercover New Orleans detectives across the street

having a drink and they got in a shootout Klaker laid right down he's no killer right you know see and Dougie had 2.45s and they exchanged gunfire and then

they hit Doug and then Doug took off down an alley and they hit him a few more times and then, you know, that was it. This is a shootout on Bourbon Street. On Bourbon Street in New Orleans, he gets into a shootout with two fucking two cops and they track him down in an alley and they shot him a bunch of times, right?

Six or seven rounds, my kid brothers got in and out. But he had a few operations. He had quite a head two or three. And then when I called home one ninth from the day kind of jail, my mom goes, you better sit down. I got some bad news. Your brother got in a shootout in New Orleans. And I'm screaming, why in the hell

didn't he go to New Orleans like I told him? Or why didn't he fly out of New Orleans to Jamaica? But you could thank that screwball that he was with. See, see, said Doug would have, it might have blown over, see, because that's what happened on that homicide. It's common public knowledge, the pans of vacuum murder. That's what happened. It blew over.

They were never able to indict. Right. They never indicted any, they had, the city of Miami cops went nowhere with that investigation well the FBI showed up to talk to you about years years later under the end 2006 and seven and fdc in Miami about the fans of beckia murder and some other murders no no I meant I meant you were locked up and they came and showed you the pictures about the borne the bank robbery right right right so they they called me off the compound and I went in there and there's two FBI agents and they sit sit me down and go what's this about to go your brother here

They show me glossy black and white photographs of Doug standing there with an oozy. I said, we're drug smugglers, man. We don't, you know, we're not, we don't rob banks. And he slides the whole photo over to me and it's Doug. And I went to. And he goes, well, I said, what do you want me to tell you? I got nothing to tell you. Well, we want to know about this.

And they started going off on tangents about some murders and some other stuff and, you know, and Bobby. And I said, I can't tell you nothing. All right. So during my tenure in 89, well, I was just before 87, just before I got out, that's when the whole Miami Herald, the whole one section in the Miami Herald was about Don Erino being killed. Right. And that's when I remember reading that article, because we'd get a Miami Herald like at night before it would, you know,

they would fly a Herald up there, so we would get it the exact day that the paper came out. and I'm reading it and a small still voice in my ear because it says Don Aarono pulled over by a late model Lincoln dark blue black Lincoln Continental or a town car shots ring out the car makes you turn around

Don Aarono and his Mercedes and it takes off Well who is Don Arenov's first Most people don't know Well he was the he was the He was the innovator of the go fast boat industry Essentially So basically the the DEA had been formed

because there were so many so much drugs coming into Miami at this time and they're bringing in they're using boats that they that they fucking they can't catch they couldn't catch the midnight expresses right and some of the cigarettes which were modified they couldn't catch them so they went to Don Erano

that's when Papa Bush had come down there and Don Erino built those tunnel holes those those cats for for the federal government called the Blue Thunders right when you say Papa Bush you mean the dad right right so so bush bush who was the head of the CIA CIA at the time they were all in every they were in the middle of everything I mean listen we all know we know everything

about him so look he came down there nice little nice little PR stunt Don Aaron knows going to build boats to interdict the the go fast cigarettes coming out of the the Bahamas right that was Willie fell Willie and Sal at that time they were they were running they were starting to run they were running hard so you know these and i was i was locked up with sall with willie's brother uh gus so the falcon so uh and salmogluida but anyway uh make a long story short yeah the erino built erano no one knew at the time that erino was had been either had been flipped but essentially when he was killed when i was up there in baker we thought it was you know we found uh years well they got bobby i had gotten out in 89 they didn't grab bobby until uh 90 80 i think

and then they grabbed bobby for bragging to some he was under an alias in a in a prison in the upper midwest in oklahoma and uh telling everybody that he was a uh coke uh a smuggler and a hitman from miami running his mouth and ended up one of the jailhouse informants went to the sheriff there and says, hey, there's a guy in here that says he's some kind of famous hitman. And the sheriff says, boy, there ain't nobody like that up here. Going back to your cell, well, they kept coming back to the sheriff telling him the same story. So they sent the prince down to Miami. And the city of Miami homicide says, do you know who you got there?

That's Robert Samuel Young. And they went up, he knows too much about this murder. They went up and grabbed him. And once they grabbed him, he gave him. it all up well let's go back for a second so so don eranos is building these boats but why was he killed like i i know you you just ran through it real quick for me but anybody watching this doesn't know half of what you see we and even at that time um when when i was already i was living with mom and another property that we owned and he called from the county jail she goes it's bobby so i got

on the phone with him and I said whoa man long time bro he goes he goes yeah I'm they got me down here in the day county jail they come up and grab me I was under an alias up in Oklahoma they indicted me on the Don Aron murder I go you mean the one back in 87 or

you know I think it was 1987 and I go I said I said don't talk on the phone you know it's okay it's good I got a he had some kind of a back back then they could use they could make a call It wasn't like a cell phone.

It was like a transponder that would do the numbers. Okay. Yeah, something like the beeps on the, he had some way to get out on the phone and then go to, we had us go two way with his, with his attorney, Don Grant, up in Fort Rotterdale. And Freddie Haddad was also his attorney. Right. So Bobby starts telling me about the, they brought Benny down, they brought Ben down from Leavenworth. And, you know, I'm going to take it to the, they're going to charge.

charge me with the hit because when you back up when I read that article years before a still small voice had almost like whisper to my ear the holy ghost whisper to my ear Bobby did it as I'm telling you right now and when I read the article you know I'm reading the article and I'm thinking just just for some reason I get this thought late model Lincoln Continental or whatever, you know, pulled up next to Don Erno, flagged him down his Mercedes, and got it right, got real close to him. I mean, as close as you and I are. See, that's how Bobby worked. You know, he was, he was not a, a pistilero like me and my kid brother. My mom could skip a tin can in mid-air with a 38. We're all rednecks raised out, out in Arizona, Texas.

So anyway, I just had that thing, that thought, you know, just that this all of a sudden, the box it came into my head bobby why and i just never never never really thought about it uh after that much until years later i'm home and and uh you know mom says bobby's on the phone then he starts telling me they indicted him on the murder and then it all i flash flashback and i said holy smoke and i just started you know i thought about that that thought that i'd had years before so he's telling me they're going to take him they're going to give him the chair they're going to do this do that little did i know that the state of florida flipped him and he flipped on Ben

Kramer. Whom they brought down okay but the bottom line is Ben Kramer contrary to public knowledge Ben Kramer never was not a killer he had nothing to do with the Don Aaron O murder. Right but Ben Kramer

was a huge importer or smuggler of marijuana and he was looking he had already gotten like what like a life sentence? Yeah life sentence right yeah so Bobby blamed the said that that uh that ben kramer had hired him to to uh to kill eranos but that's not the case it's not the case right and uh i had i had discovery and under the federal indictment um that

you know that bobby uh essentially had told he told he he he hoodwinked the state of florida and he also hoodwink the feds and the feds ran with it and it was all bullshit See, he ran with that narrative that Ben Kramer had hired Bobby to kill him. But why did Bobby kill him? An individual whom I won't name was approached by the Colombians, who's extremely close to me, whom I loved very much, had finally let me know a while back,

listen, this is what really went down. They came to me and they says, your friend tried to rip us off for a couple hundred keys. Right. We found out he was lying to us. Now, we're going to kill him. You mean Aaronos? Bobby Young.

Bobby Young. Okay. We're going to kill him. Here's the deal. Some of our boats are getting interdicted on the high seas coming in, coming in from the Bahamas. This guy that we want him to kill has been, he's the bow builder and he's glassing in transponders into the boats. And so the Coast Guard can grab them. Yes. So there you have it.

They said, here's the deal. We're going to wash the 200 keys. We're going to give him a quarter of a million. Not the 60,000 that allegedly Benny had given Bobby to kill Aranoe. We're going to give him a quarter million. We're going to wash the 200 keys. And he's going to kill Arano. Otherwise, we're going to kill your friend.

and this individual that I'm that I'm referring to was was incarcerated at the time so he had to reach out and to Bobby and say this is what you got to do right otherwise you're dead and uh you know and then Bobby waited on Aronos and killed him he killed Aranoe yeah otherwise the Colombians were going to kill him so well and this is this is public knowledge the thing that you know like you and i both know that thing that irks me is that the state of florida and the feds ran with that with that bologna and put it out there as uh as uh you know as gospel and like it was etched and stone well and there's that the book uh speed kills and then they turned that into a movie with uh john travolta yeah right which was all uh they

they brought in some actor and and and and erano had nothing to do with mire lanski any of that any of that that that that that that that that that that that's that that that they were trying to run by the general public that's Hollywood yeah so uh fake ass so anyway uh bottom line there you go and that's that's that's

that's the that's the arino murder and you know and and Bobby uh was never hired by then well Bobby goes to Bobby goes to prison and at this point your your your mom's not doing rail right like your mom passes away she's uh yeah in 84 she died uh the emphysema so how old was she 56 56 um man that's young to die yeah you know we are we were very close with sam the plumber to cavalcante that's the that's the he's the mafioso he had his own crew that they modeled the sopranos after and sam and i were having dinner just alone one night and i says uh how is it you got you

He was in his 70s. You're smoking. He was sitting there at a steakhouse. We were off this cane Boulevard. And we, he said, come on, come on, Mikey. Let's go have dinner. So I'm over there. We're talking.

I says, how is it? You're smoking. And mom, you know, I said, and you got emphysema. He goes, your mother's got the worst kind. He says, she's got the, you know, she's got the real bad emphysema. And I'm mine, you know, I can still, I still smoke and stuff like that. So there were several different types. with emphysema that mom just had my grandfather died of it he was like he was a copper

miner in arizona he died of it so the male clinic had told mom she spent a lot of money too with the male clinic right going back and forth up there they had told her that it was hereditary so well so she so she passes away and bobby gets out of prison but by but you're not doing anything at this point you're you're you've completely when i got out in 89 i was I got a job you know when I came home mom goes

it's not like the old days you gotta get you're gonna have to get a job right and I looked out and I said what you're like working she goes pretty much

so I go okay so I got a little a little apartment on the ocean and turned around and for the time being I got a job

bouncing at a nightclub pretty famous nightclub and North Miami Beach called facade right and uh i went to work you know a tuxedo but it was it was pretty crazy you know working there okay okay so as a bouncer right well okay when i when we're locked up and i don't know where it is in the in the story but i want to mention this one story um i almost really want to mention it for colby's benefit um so you so i'm writing this story i'm gonna tell you i'm writing this story right

and I'm sure I'm sure I'll fuck it up but I'm writing this story and Mike's telling me about how he's being trained by who was the boxer that was training you well I came home in 83 in the federal prison camp you know we were I still had a lot of the the steroids

the residual uh steroids in my system so I went in there and there's a guy you know I had to sell surrender so for the 90 days that judge compels gave me to clean up my fares before my aunt dropped me off in the uh the in safford arizona you know i pretty much partied for 90 days i just stopped going to my my the individual that owned gold's gym no no this was in miami i'm talking about the time

you're parking your your jaguar and these guys drive by who was that who was yeah sorry that was there was some you were training with some boxer or something what was it Let's back up. I came home in 83 from the federal prison camp. Right. Dougie got on the boat. Castro grabs him. And I am introduced to Tony Aiello, who was a lightweight champion, or a golden gloves, undefeated.

And he lived in North Bay Village, and we became through another individual that was a hairdresser. Anthony was a hairdresser. Right. He also fought. He was Italian from New Jersey. And we became very close. And I met a lot of great fighters to him. I mean, National and Golden Gloves champions.

And we are all a little tight-knit group that lived, you know, we eventually, my mom, I wasn't living at home too much anymore. Me and Anthony were training every week. Every day sometimes. We were running five miles and 30 minutes. So Anthony takes me under his wing and he starts to train me. Right. So I already knew how to fight, but he really. own my skills. So Mike's park in his

his Jaguar one day. And this fucking like a four by four with like three guys in it drive by. There was a dump truck. It was a dump truck? I thought it was a pickup truck. This came Boulevard at a mall

right there across the Keystone Point Marina and it was it was called there was a Kenny Rogers had come out with a rotisserie chicken. He was the first one called called I don't think They were good, though.

Yeah, yeah. I got the worst food poisoning in my entire life twice from Kenny Rogers. Really? They were, I thought they were great. I thought they were great. Yeah, yeah. So I would like to grab Katie Rogers by his beard and shake him a little bit. But anyway, I almost died when the second about a food poisoning got from that chicken.

So there was another one that came out called Cluckers. And it was there. and I had a good close friend of mine named Ross that had gotten busted cold and bossed with 80 keys when I was, he was a valet parker when I got out of the federal prison the prison camp in 83 and he used to watch me and mom and Doug

pull up to the valet at the place for steak and he really kind of got close to us because after hours we would go to a lot there were a lot of gyp joints up and down that up and down that he called it Gangster Row on 79th Street right there going from Biscayne Boulevard over two bridges and into Normandy Island. That little area right there on the Kennedy Causeway

had a bunch of real fancy nightclubs and restaurants. And Ricky Carverro and a lot of those guys, they all frequent in that whole area for years. So, you know, that's where I met Ross. So Ross, when I got locked up, Ross went to, who got, you know, became partners with some Columbians and they owned a restaurant in Normandy Island and Ross got bused for 80 keys.

So fast forward, Ross calls me up and says, let's have lunch after I got out in 89. When I was still a bouncer at Fassadhi, I got out in 89, he goes, meet me over here at, it was the Piccadilly. Right. It was, and but next door to Cluckers. So I said,

Okay, so I drove over there, and I'm back in the jagging because it was a European 12-cylinder, and it was really, you know, the air dam was so low. You couldn't get a pack of cigarettes under the air dams, so I always backed it in. These guys came whipping around the corner in a dump truck and, you know, got a little close to me going too fast in that parking area, and I kind of put my hand out, and one of them flipped me, gave me the gesture with his middle fingers, so Ross was come walking up. I backed the car, and they parked down, you know, six. or seven cars down or further where they could get that dump truck and they came walking up three of them

and uh i've been partying the night before a little hung over and i and i stepped to him say hey man what's up with the uh you know who you flipping a bird at right and the guy goes hey listen man blah blah blah blah one thing led to another and they kind of surrounded me and words were exchanged ross came up ross is no father but he was about six foot six right and he's standing in there And then one thing led to another, and I figured they were all going to try. You got three of them, and there's just one of me. So I knocked out Shorty on my right. And then the other two tried to jump me, and I banged them up.

One pulled a knife. I took it away from him, banged him up a little bit. And Ross, in the meantime, just running around, you know, he's just yeasting up the whole situation. And the one, I knocked out another individual. And then the third one, he ran to the Piccadilly, and I chased him in there. I just you know by this time I'm a little incensed Right

And then by that time I ran in there I caught him in there And I knocked him out in front of about I knocked one of his teeth Into a bowl of lentil soup Where there was a there was six or seven Jewish Yentils sitting at a table

And they're screaming Oe they And the general manager Of the restaurants You know they watched the whole The place was packed But there's an undercover North Miami detective there

But he didn't do a thing. He just came out. He didn't get involved at all. So I walked, Ross ran in and says, Mike, I heard sirens. So I headed back out towards the car and I said, I'm out of here. And Ross says, I'm on a million dollar bond. Please, Mike. I'll talk to the cops.

And Ross taught me into $220,000 bonds. So when they took me to jail, two counts of aggravated battery. And when I got down there, I called mom. She came and got the car. and then she says the bondsman's coming down there give him the watch so I flipped him the president

the roll I flipped in the Rolex and then he just bonded me out and that's all right so he tells me this story right that was a longer version but exactly the story that I you know that the part that got me was

three guys come up to you on the fucking street on the sidewalk in the park you smash three guys chase one of them into the Piccadilly that's when he pulled the knife on you took the knife away from him

outside of the parking lot he pulled the knife oh okay I think in the book I wrote that he had pulled the knife inside but anyway takes the knife away from him smashes him in the face right the cops arrest him take him away and I remember when I heard the story not that this is the most ridiculous story

like out of all of them there's tons of stories that are just like that's just insane that couldn't happen but I read this I mean like I'm sitting there I'm like did he just say he beat up three guys on the fucking that came up to him and I thought man that's that's

you know this is it's come on stop it row like this is a it's like a Clint Eastwood movie an old not the old not old man Clint Eastwin when he was young when he was in his 30s

doing these things like and I thought that there's no way but I ordered the Freedom of Information Act and as soon as I had written that and I was still writing the story within a week I get the Freedom of Information Act and there's the report

on the three guys that approach him that he gets into a fight with and there's a attached to it is a transcript of a hearing where it's your lawyer is deposing

one of the guys well he did depositions and all of them okay well I remember reading the one where the guy the guy says my attorney says to him he says Billy Thomas in fact you know who gave me Billy Thomas Bobby when Bobby was still in day County Jail

under the Aerono indictment. Okay. He says, get with this guy here. This is Billy Thomas. I said, okay. And then, uh, not to get off on a tangent. So, so Billy quotes me his fee. And I think it's like five G's.

And he already knew. He had an idea. So it wasn't, it wasn't more. My good brother for 20 years and one of my, my, my brother, my best friend, Nick Cotron, who was the son of Vic Cotron. from the Catron crime family in Montreal. And his uncle Frank took over to business. And you see a lot of this on a lot of these documentaries.

The Sicilians that came in, the Catroni crime family. And me and Nikki, Nikki was introduced to me when I came home from the federal prison camp in 83. Nikki takes me to see Jeff Weiner, who was a big drug attorney. And Jeff wanted 20 Gs. And I says, okay. So I went back to Billy Thomas and told him,

Yeah, I want to see that. Nicky took me just to get another opinion in 20G. So Billy Thomas jacked up his fee. But to make a long story short, so Billy had taken depositions from all of these guys. And they go, they thought they had somehow misconstrued that Ross, six-foot-six albino was me. Or they said the guy, so their descriptions of the defendant, were erroneous. Number two, he admits to my attorney,

he admits to Billy, but Billy goes, you pull the knife of my client? And he goes, yeah, he clocked me. He clocked the one kid first.

And then he goes, there's three of you and one of him. And you pull it. And so he says, yeah, he snatched my knife right out of my hand. Then he knocked my teeth out.

Yeah, that's how, so I read the whole transcript. And it is. There's three. of them they approach him there's a fight he hits the one guy one guy runs away another guy runs away mike chases him into the piccadilly and then i'm reading the whole thing and i remember reading the whole thing i'm like okay so that did happen like this is obviously this happened and in the very

end i'm like it doesn't say anything about his teeth getting knocked out and then the very last thing is his lawyer says do you regret approaching mr hudson and he goes he says of course i do i still have my two front teeth if I hadn't approached him and I was like oh my god his front teeth did get knocked out but it was like the last sentence one of them landed in a bowl it's kind of when I hit him with the last shot and knocked him out the oh the one guy that was still there was two knocked out in the park lot one of them got up the bigger one and he ran in and jumped on my back when I was when I had already stepped to the other guy the guy that ran in and I pulled him over my back like a little superhuman

it's adrenaline. I drug him over my back and knocked him out again and then the other guy was hanging on. There's a chrome rail that runs through there. You go through a turnstile. It's like a smorgasboard. You get a ticket. Right. But it's high end. You know, Piccadilly. And

I remember hitting him with that last shot and something in my peripheral vision you know, in an elliptical path. And I kind of, in my peripheral vision it's like a plop noise. and it's his tooth. It went right into a Jewish lady.

She had her hair up up high in a high pyramid with a bunch of gold pins in it. And she screams, oy they. And the rest of them scream right, the rest of the Jewish ladies scream, oh, they. And so about that time, I hear the Ross runs in. Ross is standing behind me. He was yeasting the whole thing up. But Ross couldn't fight a lick.

So he goes, I hear the sirens. And I know when I was an outlawed. that was the many fights I got to my got to my Harley and got to my hog my chopper and cranked it over no lights and took off every time well guess what this time I'm heading it's you know I'm heading towards the jag and Ross is behind me crying about his million dollar bond I'll talk to the cops and I actually got cut with that knife so I'm showing the cop the knife and or the cops got the knife and I go on with the right hands that can just that can sever your juggler you're carotid i says what are you talking about he goes

yeah but they're pretty messed up bad because i'm sorry but i'm going to charge you with aggravated battery so there you go then the cop i saw him when i became a roofing contractor i saw him years later did a lot of north miami police officers a few of them the roofs he's telling me i'd see him at a bar i feel real bad about arresting you oh it's a little late now so you know so so you come you you come back you've got you your mom says you got to get a job you end up becoming a roofing contractor right well in order the state of florida tried to give me seven years for the aggravated battery okay mom's going you're getting to you're going to prison now this time she's pretty sick we sold the house in the ocean now we're over here at another property you're going to prison

for seven years for a fight they go mom they're looking up my prior my prior my prior you know there yeah yeah yeah and and I've only been out so that's what that's essentially what they're the state of forward is trying to run yeah the prosecutor's name was Garcia and uh Billy kept putting it off he kept getting the continuous getting the continuous and the meantime I'm uh you know pretty much just on the street I'm on bond so you know I'm waiting for uh you know things to to pan out we're gonna see what what's going to happen, and Bobby's calling all the time, what's going on with the aggregate battery, so I'm saying, we're just going to wait and see how Bobby, or how Billy Thomas handles it.

So Billy Thomas had, on the depositions, had said, you know, you pulled a knife of my client, and the guy goes, yeah, man, he clocked me, and he took my, he knocked my teeth out or whatever. Every time I would go to court, they were, all three of them were there. And one of them raised his hand in court and asked the judge, Your Honor. Can I, uh, can we, can part of the, uh, plea agreement, can we make sure that he can't work out with weights in prison? And I'm looking over at this guy and I'm kind of smirking at him. And so finally, Judge Catherine Pooleer, 1992, we go to court and Bobby's sitting in there.

And I had, I knew, uh, when we initially got, uh, uh, indicted on the, uh, the, the, uh, When Janet Reno prosecuted me in 84, and I wound up, I met Cuban at a Colombian. And the Colombian, Richard Carrero, he killed a few guys on a drug shootout. And then Tito had killed a kid and his girlfriend over two keys. He was Cuban. But they all got saved at the same time, all of us. So we wound up together in Baker Correctional. and Tito and Richard

introduced me to a lady named Judy who's with the vineyard ministry so she started giving me some certain scriptures and like a psalm that I would memorize so I remember sitting there reading, I had a little Christian life with New Testament, I'm just reading it and I started going to a church called Trinity

down the street from the other property of Mamma so I'm sitting there. Billy Thomas walks up to me in this courtroom's crowd he leans over and he goes hold on a second I'm going to pull a sidebar so he goes up there and I see him go up with that Cuban

prosecutor Garcia and they're talking and I hear them then I say I hear the they're getting a little louder with each other and finally my attorney you can hear him

and then finally my attorney goes your honor it got three guys against my client he admits it a deposition to pull the knife on my client there's three at them and one of him he looks at garcia and he goes i got a he says number one there's three of them number two he admits to pull a knife in the deposition number three i got

a classic self-defense case here i'm going to trial and i get the butterflies oh you know because trials we want to try to avoid right because if i get convicted the seven-year plea offer is out the window, as you well know. Yeah. I'm thinking, oh, man, how much time aggravated battery in the state of Florida carries a life top? It can carry 15 to life

or more. I think it's a lifetop or it carries 15 to some ungodly top like 40 or 50 years. So, I turn around and I'm sitting there and then immediately excuse my French, but

Garcia bitched up. Quick. He looks at the judge pooler. She's looking at him like this, and she's kind of smirking at him going, well, counselor, and he looks over at Billy and he looks at Billy and like rapid staccato almost like, at first it was like Spanish, I thought. And then he goes, will your client do 365 days in the county jail work release? And Billy walks back to me and he says, I go, what do he say? He goes, will you do 364 days on county jail work release? right that way you don't get any good time right well no that way you don't go to the state penitentiary you do work release in north miami and a little work release thing they've got there

for a whole year do you get good time you don't get you don't get good time you've got a year okay okay so that's what i pled to i pled to i pled to the two counts of aggravated battery i walked up there judge pooler goes you report back here for sentencing in nine days, whatever the date was. She says, Mr. Hudson, if you don't show up, I'm going to reinstate the plea the seven years plus more for contempt. If you don't show up here

for the set. She goes, you're pleading to the two counts of aggravated battery. The sentence is known in the state of Florida as a mitigated sentence. The sentence was mitigated from the seven year original offer by the state of Florida to

364 days in county jail, day county jail work release. So I got a job. I had to get a job, be on work release. Right. So that's when mom called, you know, I was, I went back, I'm living with mom again. I went, we're at home. She says, I got a call from Tony and Spurdy.

Tony Spurdy was a famous Gambino soldier. He killed Tommy Altamira and the place for steak 25, almost 30 years before. He's a soldier in the Gambino family. He comes to, he's working for Bob Shepherd at Robert Truffing in Opelaca. He met Bob at the Pompano Beach Halfway House when they got out of the state prison. Tony Spurdy did 25 years. He's the mechanic at all the machines, the blowers and all this stuff, the motors that run the hot tar, the kettles and everything,

and the machine, you know, the outboard motors that pumped the hot to the roof. He calls Mom and tells her, yeah, tell Mike to come down on Monday, and Bob Shepard will give him a job. So I go down there and that's and I got hired by Robert Shoofing. So that's what I, and so six months later, almost eight months later, Hurricane Andrew hit. So everybody in that halfway house that I was at pretty nice place. You know, you got a, you're on a lake, you got a color TV, air condition, Hurricane Andrew hit while I was in there.

We went outside on State Road 9, was right there. We cleaned up all those trees that fell down across State Road 9, chopped them up. with saws and and then one day they called us in there and they said hey you guys are getting your sentences are commuted for helping out after Andrew Andrew was such a bad debacle in Miami

you're getting your sentences commuted whatever you got that's it so I did six months and I walked and I walked and then you started roofing I kept working for Roberts and Matthew I worked for another

seven years for at least 25 or maybe 30 roofing companies all over Broward and Day County before, and Mom died in 94 and I had to finalize the estate from the essentially from the

scrub that she allowed to become the executive of the estate fought her for at least three years but I only got the house and everything me and Doug divided up the property and then I mortgaged out the house and became a subcontractor for a big contractor down in South Miami in Kendall named Terry Allen, his super. And then I went and applied in the state of Florida for, you know, to take the exam. But I had to go to a construction college.

So that's what I did. I went to a construction college in Naples and took the exam. exam about four or five months later and passed the test and which is extremely extremely difficult to be you know state certified contractor was all calculations and formulas and negative pressures and aerodynamic multipliers and uh so anyway um how long did you do that uh from 99 late 98 i got the license until 06 when the feds picked me up in at my uh at the that two million dollar five Baker state at least with an option in southwest ranches so bobby when but i got into debt so bad right that's why i got back in the boat with bob because they were the the creditors came

were coming after me for half a million so bobby was released from florida state prison for the arinoe murder and the first person he comes to look up as you well from the feds from the feds from the feds sorry he was in colman where we were oh yeah he was he was he was when they let Doug go from Louisiana the the Doug did got 20 year sentence in Louisiana he did 10 of that when they when the bank robberies yeah in the shootout yeah no

he got he did the he did the Louisiana prison time for the shootout see then they indicted the feds took him up to banker county where I was at and they indicted him for the bank robberies okay so Doug pled to the bank robberies and they ran them consecutive

he did 10 years for the Doug did 10 years uh in and Hunt's correctional in Louisiana, then the feds came and picked him up so he could do his Fed time for the bank robberies and they sent Doug to Coleman and Bobby was in Coleman. And that's where they put together the, you know, the... Aaron has murder.

Well, Arono was, no, no. Erino, that was years before. I'm sorry. They put together the... Bobby getting out. Smuggling operator. Yeah, that get Mike. but we yeah Mike

we got to have you know so Bobby gets out he comes to you gets out of federal prison he comes to you 89 89 says listen I'm going to buy a boat

I'm gonna I want to start bringing in Coke from the Colombians are going to buy the boat we're going to have to go down there and check out the boat find the right one he took the younger brother of the jumper with him

and they checked out checked out the uh uh a 60 foot sailboat um and a few boats but they they they picked that one the trim ran and that's and they went you know went down there and the columbians uh paid for everything and uh you know um the first a load they the columbians would take a percentage of what we of what we owed on the boat from the back end of the when they paid us for the you know so that's it and uh so you'd bring in the load and then then whatever, you know, whatever they paid us, they would take a percentage out of that,

so ended up Bobby, you know, had married that stripper from pure platinum. Right. But that's how the, you know, the ex-hooker girlfriend found out about that that had probably thrown him quite a bit of money while he was locked up and then he dumped her and married the stripper. And so she got jealous. And according to my attorney, in the federal indictment, she had found out where he lived and gave him up.

Let him know, let the feds know where he was living. This is when he jumped to parole in Albuquerque. Right. Yeah, because when Bobby got released, he had hepatitis so bad. They thought he was going to die of it. So they left him alone. He got paroled to Albuquerque. And, you know, that's when he realized he thought he had hoodwinked the parole system.

He flew straight to Fort Laudan and came to my. front door and said he needed to borrow 50 000 i said i don't have it it's all wrapped up in the house of the property you know i had i had another house another property at my mom owned had a pool you know and he came he pulled up and i'm out there by this time i got i got a state roofing certification he's looking at all the all the jag was in the driveway he's looking at the uh you know the brand new dodge four-wheel drives and you know and all this kind of stuff and you know with the roofing company on logo on the side of the truck and what's going on here I said, I got a state license.

And he needed 50 Gs. He says, I'm flying to Cali in a couple of days. Me and Sarah, I go, who's Sarah? He goes, oh, that's the girl I met. I don't know, the stripper. Yeah. And anyway, so that was it. They flew down to Cali and put it together.

And then you guys start. They got financed by the Colombians. And you guys start, you start bringing in the boats, right? captaining the the loads that are coming in and out. How long does that go on? We're going down to the Caribbean. It went, you know, like probably a better part of a year,

year and a half. And then that's it. You know, Bobby, during the interim, Bobby, you know, when you make that kind of money, Bob, after some of my roofie guy, I moved out of there. moving to her you know so so i had five properties so i sold you know then we went into a uh in o one they grabbed bobby bobby got wind that the that the the the uh apparently the ex hooker

girlfriend whatever she was uh this this uh Kathleen kunzig and she had in she had informed she had found out she had informed the uh albuquerque federal um Probation Office, United States Federal Court there, that Bobby was not, you know, as sick as he made out and that he was in now in Fort Lauderdale. Somehow they got wind that, according to my attorney, that Bobby was now in Miami. And then, of course, Bobby had rented a million dollar home up in Fort Lauderdale on a canal where we could bring the boats. in and dock them right there. So, so we, you know, that house was rented and she found out that low, she was trying to, little did he know that the feds were now, his probation officer wanted him to come in.

And he didn't. And they put a warrant out for his arrest. And while I'm, and I, I took up with a Cuban girl, the beautiful girl that was a hairdresser, and we were in Tampa. In fact, we came to a Tampa on a big hairdresser thing for three days in the convention center up here

or something like that. And they were shuttle to you back and forth to the airport and I called Bobby what's going on, everything okay, and not really, what do you mean?

He was doing so much Coke. Right. And bringing in four or five strippers every other night and dropping 20,000 a week on the hookers that uh yeah and um he's uh he's he's getting a little paranoid and a couple of times

he's he's uh he's getting so high in the coke he's running around the house with a couple of nine millimeters well this happened on two or three different occasions and uh one of occasions i'm at a club from the by the old fort apache marina one night and i get a call from the And the stripper wife, she says, you got to come up here. There's two or three girls in the downstairs of bedroom that are locked themselves in. He scared him to death. He's running around the house naked with two, nine millimeters. You got to come up here.

So I came up there and went upstairs to the loft bedroom and disarmed him. God, he says, is that you? I go, it's me, bro. Give me the gun. 380. And then they had a balcony. So apparently he's having a paranoid delusion that it's like Scarface. they're throwing a grappling hook up on the balcony rail

and they're coming up. So I crank a couple of rounds through the curtain alongside the sliding door and he goes, did you get them? I said, I got him. I said, I said, stay here. We're going to be and Sarah will get rid of the bodies. So we make a long story short, about 35, 40 minutes.

He's in there so high in Coke. And I come back, it's close and clear. He goes, what did you do with the buys? I put him in my truck. I says, come on out. And I went to Sarah. I said, get every Class A narc you've got in here. Everything you've got,

Every Xanax, you know, Roofie, whatever you've got. And we, I pumped him with 10 of them and put him down. Well, you see, and bottom line is she called me the next day. He goes, can you believe he got up the next morning? I said, he should have been to sleep for two days, at least passed out for two days. So this goes on and on. So when I'm up there with, with Anna at the hair thing, at the, in the convention's center. I call him from the shuttle and he goes, I got everything okay. No, not really. I thought

somebody was outside last night. So I ran outside and, you know, some things happened and come to find out the things that happened. He ran out there butt naked with two nines and cranked him off in that neighborhood. As you got further down the street, the homes were going for three or four million apiece on that canal. That house that we were releasing was only a million, two million dollar home he banged he goes to a dentist's door bangs on the door butt naked the dentist he says who's out there he says uh it's it's he helped me help me i live down the street opens the door and and uh he's already cranked off both clips and the dentist calls the cops the cops come and the stripper wife goes out and says we own a charter business down the caribbean and we go down

there and we're gone for 35 or 40 or two months how many ever many days we're down there and we think somebody's been trying to break in. And the cops go, okay, they took the pistols and let Bobby go. And that weekend, him and Sarah moved out of the whole house. He moved into the embassy suites, and Sarah went back to her mom's. The cops printed the pistols and got the prints and found out who he was. Robert Samuel Young jumped parole in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So now he's got a warrant.

So, and we continued to bring, you know, we continued to do what we're doing. Yeah, yeah. And that's it. And so they, so he moved. So we went, we went to Guatemala with a, uh, almost two million on the boat to put into a bank into the bank of de Guatemala. And he had a tax attorney, he started up and paid him $40,000. And it was all, it was all bullshit. They took the, we went down there, took the boat down.

there hired another captain out of the Caribbean out of the Virgin Islands to take the boat down there went down there and wait can I stop for a second when he says he he paid so Bobby paid somebody an accountant to tax attorney a tax attorney he paid him 40 grand to set it up so that he could take cash into a bank in Guatemala and deposit it like hey you know we're going to bring it but don't worry I got a guy give me 40 grand I've said set it all up for you you can go down there with the cash but it's bullshit he just took the 40 grand he never called he didn't know anybody in the bank so then bobby tries to go in with the fucking money sorry we flew down there and uh the captain the the uh we hired a charter boat captain out

of the virgin ions flew him in he took the boat down to guatemala bobby and i flew down on american Airlines. What year was this? 2001. Yeah. 9-11. Yeah. So about two weeks before 9-11, three weeks, something like two weeks before it. We got down there and the boat was at a marina on the Pacific side of Guatemala. So we had to take, we had to, we were at the, we were at the Intercontinental Hotel in

suites. Each of us had a private, Bobby and Sarah and I had a suite, my own suite, went upstairs and went to the roof and, you know, the helicopter came in, picked us up and flew us over to the boat. We took about $400,000 cash off the boat and brought it back. So I put maybe $250,000 in my safe in my suite, excuse me. And then he says, oh, we're going to go to Bangkok to Guatemala tomorrow. With the tax attorney set it up, we're going to go down there and we're going to deposit the money. And so we sat down there in a little cafeteria having a cafe conneche and I had a, I'll never forget, I had a Rancho, Wables Rancheros, right?

And Bobby's sitting there eating and picking it something that he ordered. I'm eating breakfast because I'm hitting the gym pretty hard. And she goes up there with the $400,000 and then walks in there. And the vice president of the Banco de Guatemala tells. Sarah, signora, you cannot bring these kind of money into these country. You have to wait here. I have to go get the presidente and the security. So we had her own cell phones in, uh, in, in, in Guatemala City.

We had her own cell phones. Right. When we got down there, plus we had a sat phone. So she called him and he's screaming her at the top of zones, get your ass out of there and get down here right now, called a cab. She barely made it out. She came down. It looked like almost like a courthouse.

That's what their banks look like like a courthouse. Cranulated steps going up to the portico with columns. And Banco de Guatemala, she came down there. We jumped in the cab and we went to another hotel immediately. And that was it. Flew the money back and put it on the boat and sent the boat back across the Caribbean all the way to the island of St. Vincent. and we were bumped by a then 9-11 hit because I remember being up we're going

out and going out and partying at night and you know drinking a little bit but eating eating real good don't drink the water we both got real sick there twice yeah dysentery and they had a they the concierre at the hotel you'd call them they said we'll send us the doctor up now they'd send up the doctor and she'd give me a shot or whatever it was she gave me I was good in four hours five hours so American Airlines bumped us

us then I'm laying in there one morning out on mute and I'm watching the two towers I watch the one tower's burning I watch the plane flying to the second one and I'm looking at this and I'm thinking what you know and I turn up the volume and you know New York City

this is the second plane second tower is just a plane is flown in the second side I ran down the hallway and banged down his door and woke him up and said you better turn on CNN. So we got bumped by American Airlines for what, six. It was six weeks. We were down there because of the curfew. So we had to, Bobby goes, you got to get us.

We got to get out of here. So we turned around and I contacted Hoppich yet in Fort Laudette when they lifted the curtain. And I said, you got three Americans down here in Guatemala City. Can you come get us? He goes, we got one small leer left. the rest of them are out he goes you got the same problem

some other people that we uh that you know that we're going to pick up have he goes where are you guatemal city he goes I'll be there at 745 tomorrow how much 10,000

so I came down there and gave him 10 grand they picked us up the next morning 745 and flew us into Fort Lauderdale so and that was October they uh

let's see 9-11 or not 9-11 but yeah 9-11 right September 11th right we got in there in the early the second week of October they had Bobby on the end of October right after Halloween they grabbed Bobby or before Halloween they grabbed him they came in the house that that I leased up there in in Fort Lauderdale up there in a lighthouse point a pump lighthouse pole a I leased the property for Bobby. How did you find out that he got caught? No, I was going out with a girl named Michelle by then who I had met at a roofing company,

the second roofing company I'd worked for. And what a beauty she was. But anyway, Michelle, a little crazy. But, and I called, she, you know, I was roofing pretty hard. I was getting some pains in my, you know, running down the back of my tricep. And, you know, thumbs and forth.

finger, four fingers and indexed, and the thumbs were getting a little numb. So it was like a pinched nerve in my neck. So she sent me to a, to a neurologist. And I went to this on Sterling Road in Fort Lauderdale. And while I'm sitting there in his office, he leads, and I get a call. And it's the stripper, the wife. She says the FBI, the DEA, the United States Marshals, ATF, they came in every window of the house. This is a $4 million home right there on the edge of the canal, right there on the water with about 350 feet of dock space. Okay.

And they, we had a grab them, right? Grabbed him, grabbed Sarah. And the rest is history. He started giving it up immediately. He started, yeah, he started snitching from jump right there from Jump Street. And I figured when I walked out to the park and I says, why are you calling me myself? That's the first thing I asked her. So I called Michelle and said go to the

Call the Hyatt Regency Here's my credit card number Called the Hyatt Regency and Dave who were going to the Hilton I says we're going to get a room at the Hilton for three or four days Why Michael I said just do it So she took the credit card number reserved me a room I went back to the house got the German Shepherds Took them to Knowles Animal Clinic

grabbed all the cash out of the safe, grabbed the gun safe, took all the weapons and all the heavy weapons especially and took him to a buddy's house and we put him in his attic and I took everything else to the safety deposit box in the bank in North Miami and then grabbed Michelle

or she met me up there and then we stayed up at the Hilton for five days and waited and I called my neighbor when I go out in the boat my neighbor was a Cuban named George and he would come over and feed the He had a key to the house and always had a key. I said, go over and get the mail. He goes, oh, Mike, he would think I was roofing out of state or something.

And George would, you know, I would call him up and say, anything going on? See, he goes, no, why? I go, well, look, I see, if you see any cars or anything, call me in my cell. You see any cars pull up in the driveway? Because I moved both trucks. I moved everything. The jag, everything moved. I moved that afternoon.

And I took him to the church. and part of the church part so then i turned around with big you know right there on the uh big church trinity so i turned around and uh and uh and then i moved them later but you know um i uh went to the hilton and stayed with michelle and waited and uh where they grab you they uh they they didn't i waited three four or five days and then the other next door neighbor the right side she was the mother of the kid that was with bobby when they were in prison in cuba okay and the oldest son was the one that got lost in hurricane david okay so i they had another son who was a crackhead he'd been a big smuggler too but he lost everything and he got on

crack so you know i called i called over there and asked him hey see anything weird going on and he goes what do you mean man what like he he snapped to it immediately i said see any uh anything looks like like any unmarked cars or anything like that he says no nothing so we waited three or four days i finally went back home when i went back to the house and i had my the foreman of my two crews they were running the roofs and everything i went back to the house and had the call identifier back then and hit it and the first message i got it said right there it couldn't it was it was so long it couldn't even fill up the uh the identifier it said federal bureau of i don't And I went, holy mackerel, what?

And then I tried to call the number back. This number cannot be called back. You cannot call this number, you know, and that was it. And I realized he had called me from the Federal Bureau of the FBI office. He called me from there. So that was it. Dougie had gotten in touch with me and I let him know, Bobby got busted, you know. So that was it. Doug, Doug said, don't answer any of his mail.

I said, I don't intend to. He says, if you write you a letter, something's not right. And he started writing me a bunch of letters. Want me to go down to the Caribbean? He wanted me to go grab, go over here. He had close to $20 million, $15 million maybe. I don't know, it's scattered around, but I don't know. It wanted me to go down to the Caribbean to a certain island and grab one of the boats,

move that boat. do this, do that. And he's writing me all these letters, and I know that they're reading his mail, and I know that the phones are tapped. Right. So from there, I froze on him. You know, and Hurricane Wilma hit two years later,

and I did millions. I did millions when Wilma hit. And then Bobby was locked up, and he found out about it. He started sniffing around because Sarah's, the stripper's parents called me. they called me on several different occasions and I'm thinking something's not right they're fishing for him he's wanting to know once he found out that you know what he did was he essentially he turned around and just gave

everybody up on the house just out of spite because he was locked up and nobody else was that's what that's the word that I got right you know from the attorney well when did you get arrested well I got arrested before the statute of limitations ran out what was that five years five years november 7th election day 2006 south by this time i was in i was in southwest ranches you know what was the what was it what was the amount of the indictment was the the dollar amount was like it was outrageous it was well yeah they mean they you know what they do they they had them all up they they they they uh they cut it 50 times the feds and then they they multiply it times the amount of grams and a kilo ghost dope right ghost dope yeah so it's some ungodly amount it's like 45 million or something or

oh more that was just the amount that was the amount of money that they never recovered in u.s funds that they thought indictments 45 says like 45 million dollars or something is out it's a fucking ridiculous yeah but they they were talking uh you know when i'm reading when i'm when the the younger clacker i'm getting the discovery from the attorney when i'm reading that it's i'm looking at it it's got to be a typo, 22,000 kilos. So I'm reading the indictment. And I ended up pleading to the last boatload. So, you know, there's a total of the 2,270 keys.

But the immaterial of, you know, how many loads were brought in, the feds are usually, they're all an individual account. They will have you plead guilty to. one count right is that that was part of their deal so it was 45.5 million dollars of cocaine imported of a controlled substance into the United States damn um so you know uh yeah what they didn't have a gram of right never had a grant they listen they didn't have anything but an informant right that's all they had uh based on uncorroborated hearsay testimony with no evidence.

This is what, this is our, this is our, this is our American taxpayer dollars hard at work. Well, so they grab you. You don't go to, you can't go to trial.

No, of course not. You've got, you're going to have, Bobby's going to testify. And then my attorney was, initially with the first one, I cut him a check for five figures, Eddie O'Donnell.

He was the attorney that got famous under the, 1980 Miami riot the McDuffie case he represented the cop that killed McDuffie they killed the black guy on the motorcycle that tried to run the police officer over

the police officer hip shot one in a million shot a head shot and then that's when they rioted when he got when he when Eddie represented him Eddie O'Donnell represented him and got him off and that's when they rioted in 1980

in Miami that was he was that was that that's what catapulted him into the limel Eddie O'Donnell so he represented me initially before I wound up with another attorney for the plea so you took a plea for what I pled to a one count of the one count I mean how much time oh I 17 years but they arm careered me right see they arm careered me on the guns and they careered me under the career offender act on the on the on the on the uh drugs with with uh that they didn't have a gram of see so they ran it the judge ran a concurrent he hated my case he looked at that at that bum pal the the the prosecutor he says you know this this defendant shouldn't even be in front of me

i know all about your star witness see they used bobby to set up a high season interdictment and he tipped them off he got immunity he got immunity on seven or eight homicides going back to the late 70s or early 80s they gave him immunity on everything see there you see and I think about that Benny Kramer all all bullshit right right and now Bobby is think he's going to hoodwink the government again so he's going to set up a a boat to come in with what I don't know however many thousands of kilos on the boat he's going to set that boat up and then they're going to let him walk now he's got the hip he's not really showing any real signs or symptoms of like a relapse but that's what killed him see

the hep C and uh um uh because he never got out so he turns around and has the stripper wife tip him off according to my attorney but the last attorney that i that i uh that you know that i retained uh Charles Craig Stella so this is Stella this bum turns around and tells me he knew all about the stripper wife tipping off the feds and then he the hooker wife tipping off the feds excuse me and then that bobby had had had tipped off the columbians that the federalities were waiting on them so they never grabbed them so they're big newspaper their front their faces on the front of the newspaper never happened yeah never happened so j robert acosta the united states attorney for the 11th

circuit that got deposed that they got that had to step down because of the case with the child molester that had the island oh yeah yeah um epstein epstein he was the attorney that allowed him to walk it from jump street years before and when and uh i forget what what who appointed him Did Obama appoint him? I don't know. Anyway, J. Robert Acosta was a United States attorney for the 11th Circuit. And he was the attorney at the time when this indictment came down. And he went to Roger Powell and he goes, hey, what happened to the big indictment?

I mean, the big high-season interdiction. We don't know. They went back in the phone taps, found out Sarah, instead of just going to a pay phone with $50 in quarter, she turns around and goes and calls him from the landline, which is tapped. and says, Daddy says, turn around. It's a setup,

federallies. So they found out that she had, and so they jerked his immunity. So what did he get? He got a 5K1 and a Rule 35 that Freddie Haddad worked out for him when he started crying about it because I got all the discovery

from my attorney and all the letters that he wrote the judge. I did a good thing and all the, about being a rat. I did a good thing. And now, suffering for it and uh the the government jerked my immunity your honor and and and wah wah wah and oh boo who you know and uh so freddy had dad got him a fight worked out to deal with

the government well will you give him a 5k1 or rule 35 if he gives up his wife and all of his friends there you go nobody was in yeah but he started i got the discovery he started snitching from jump street that very day how much time did you do total 14 17 years I did 14 and a half 14 and a half went to the halfway house got out of Georgia in the pen and uh you know got moved from the low

Gioa rocha and then who knew Bobby right you got moved from the low for went from the media went from the Georgia pen to Coleman yeah from the pen to Coleman then you were at the low with me then I wrote the story

then you got charged with inciting a riot with me and the Puerto Ricans and this uh yeah this this this this counselor um the day that that senator got shot Scalia and uh and I remember going I worked it uh remember I had the job um a facility facility facility yeah and uh we have fogs we got sent back fog count I fell asleep and um then also i hear everybody talking about a shooting or something like trump got shot they shot trump they shot trump and i wake up you know to go to go to the restroom when i look up as they go yeah trump got shot it was the senator at that ballgame so i come back i fall asleep and then

all of a sudden now they're making everybody go all the latinos go to the computers and then all of us american and the blacks and the whites we go into the tv room and this counselor walks in with a big warden her chin and walks up and wakes me up. I don't even know her. She's on the other side of a C-dorm upstairs, and she wakes me up and says, you've got to go into the TV room.

So I'm walking down the, you know, I grab my chair and I'm walking down there. There was a young kid that was about three or four cubes down. He goes, Mike, these feds, they're, what's going on? He says they're killing all the feds. So, yeah, I make a comment back to him. She turns around and runs to the war. I go in the TV room, she runs to the warden and says, you know,

because when I woke up, I heard there was a lot of lockers banging and stuff like this when I was still asleep. And I woke up and I go, what's going on? It sounds like the Puerto Ricans are rioting in here or something. I hear a lot of, you know, she turns around, makes a bunch of lies like the, like the, you know, the lily-livered little chicken shit fed that she is, right? and goes and tells the captain that I decided to riot with the Puerto Ricans, a ball face lie.

They threw it all out in DHO court. Right. And then says, oh, when the kid goes, oh, they're killing all the feds, and I go, oh, I says, I don't know. I says, it sounds like, you know, it's about time they got around to it. I'm thinking that it was, you know, maybe a terrorist act of some kind. I wasn't really sure what was going on. so she turns around and flips that and then tells the captain yeah he uh you know so they come in

the tv room and grab me and they put me in and put me in there with uh you know they throw it out in d h o court they put me in there with spinelli and then you know so okay mike spinelli he was a lukasey soldier so we uh we knew each other pretty well and then you know eventually the they they uh throw it out and i end up uh they said now we're going to ship you anyway so they see they so i got shipped the azoo so well i mean you got out and you went to truck driving school and now you're driving a truck i ran a rupee company on this in the summer 21 and yeah and then i uh you know i got a good day that that contractor who knew me from the old days right he he did a little prison time so he hired me you know the cherry brothers

and he hired me and uh um i just uh he paid for the class b to get reinstated because they had to class B for almost 15 years and then turned around and I decided to get the A so I got the A and then we drive a we drive a semi across the U.S. and get caught in snowstorms and all right listen I'm gonna wrap it I'm gonna let me wrap this up real quick delete that yeah there's some stuff we'll delete somebody all right all right um well one I appreciate you coming by so this is good thank you bro all right um all right hey if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this uh share the video leave a comment in the comment section and i will try and respond and if you want to get in touch

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Yeah, on the driver's license, it says Martin because they made a mistake, but it's M-A-R-T-E-I-N-E. That's actual. So just say Michael Martine Hudson. Okay.