Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Pastor's Kid Gets Arrested, Scams Prison Girlfriend & Beats the System

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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What you want to do when you're in there is find a bigger girl. Convince him that you're in love. If they fall in love, he's manipulated. I don't know what the hell they're thinking. This is probably going to get me, man. My dad was our youth pastor. We went to church three days a week. We had a Thursday service, a Wednesday service, and a Sunday service.

It was excessive. It was super excessive. We were taught that if you swear you go to hell, you burn an entire sin. I mean, very extreme religion. So we were educated to believe that if you step out of line, I mean, you're going to burn in hell. Right. And so throughout the years, my dad, sober, doing good. He started drinking again.

And very quickly, my mom did not like that. She said, if you keep drinking, I'm going to leave. And he said, then get out. And so the next day, he had a new girl over. I think we were, I think I was like 11 or 12 at the time. I was 13. Did your mom leave or the new girl? girl. No, my mom was staying downstairs. So then the new girl, my dad knew her from a cage fighting

gym. They were both cage fighters. It's very pastoral, you know, very much like that happened. It happened the next, it wasn't even like a week later. It was the next night. I mean, the next day we were waking up to this lady. Jennifer, Jennifer's here. Yeah. She's now moving in. So my mom freaked out was like, F this, I'm out of here. Packed up her stuff, moved out, because she was like, this is crazy. Throughout the time of that happening, my dad let us do whatever we wanted. He caught me stealing his blood, and he was like, hey, man, just don't steal too much of it. Like, if you want to smoke it every once in a while, it's fine, just don't get crazy. My dad ended up building his dream house.

We were, when I was way younger, we lived in Star, we dirt biked up in the foothills. We're sitting on a plot of land, and my dad tells me I'm going to build a house here one day. Eight years later, he ends up building a house on that plot of land. He designed it himself, 3,500 square foot. and so he i mean that's where we lived it was his dream home and this is what he this is all he's he owned an alarm company i was gonna say this is from alarms yeah so he was super successful super successful uh while we were living in star in the beginning before he got back into drugs he owned a very successful alarm company

so he was able to build that up and i mean we went to hawaii every year on vacation we were very spoiled uh so the change from the spoiled life to the drug addiction life happened quickly and he ended up losing everything but so we as he's running the business builds the house uh so then we're partying at the house it's 3,800 3,500 square foot he lets me do whatever I want all the kids from high school are coming over so I'm I'm selling uh and we sort of start to escalate things at this point my sister's boyfriend's coming down selling stuff he ends up getting wanted out of Twin Falls they post two 100,000 dollar warrants up for his rest and my dad buys him a plane ticket out of boise straight to california so he gets out he's now

on the run from idaho living in california and he introduces us to his buddy down there who grows but so my dad and i are like well let's go down to california and start taking up but at this point i'm 13 uh maybe 14 don't have a license and so we're renting cars and now we're renting these cars and driving down to California and we'd only pick up 10 15 pounds and not that often every couple weeks and we'd come back sell it I mean whatever and as we're doing this things are slowly evolving into more addictions I got into the uppers oh okay crystal not so at this point I didn't really start getting into crystal until I was about 14 and that and so at this stage it was like pills. At this time, the oxy epidemic was going on. Right. So, of course, that was big in the

household. My dad loved that. He loved the, he was an addict to anything. So if the drugs were around, he would do them. But I didn't, I was more into Adderall. I had a prescription to Adderall, so I could do legal amphetamines. Right. That I didn't have to worry about getting in trouble. So then as they slowly progresses, we're heading down to California. We're coming back. And I think I was at one of these trips I picked up a giant bag of trim and the guy sold it to me for like 50 bucks. So all it was was the trim off the bud. I drive back to Idaho with it and I was going to make hash. So you can take it then make hash concentrate it and multiply your money. Okay. Well, someone had taken a bunch of it and taken a bunch of it and turned it into

edibles. They brought them back to us. I ate some. I was falling asleep and I had a buddy message me. He said that his dad sells white powder and he's going to come over. And I was like, yeah, bring it over, man. I'll, I'll do that, whatever. So he comes over, and he had a crystal in a bag. And I'd never seen crystal. I'd never experienced anything like that. And so I was kind of curious.

I was like, that's weird. And at that point, I didn't snort anything. So I was like, I'll smoke it. Right. So I broke a piece of this crystal off, and I put it on a piece of tinfoil, and I lit it. And I was like, wow, I've never seen Yale do that. Right. It liquefied.

And so I went to my dad, and I was like, Dad, what is this? And he was like, you're smoking ice. Right. My buddy freaked out. I thought his dad had always sold Yale. His dad had been giving him these little crystals every once in a while saying, here's a little bit of, go have a good night. Well, his dad was giving him crank. Right.

So he freaked out, didn't want anything to do with it. My dad was like, I'll take it. And I was like, well, I already smoked it once. So might as well keep going. so my dad and I decided to get strung out that night and so that was the first time I ever experienced Crystal

and at that point yeah everything kind of changed life went downhill very rapidly my dad at this time was also raging alcoholic so he was a very abusive drunk there's a lot of stuff I'm probably skipping over

he couldn't handle substance very well So, but he's still managing to run, run this business. Yeah, he's somehow still managing to run it. So he would go to work all day, come home, drink a fifth of tequila, 24 pack of Corona, do a bunch of dope, and then become excessively violent. And at this time, that girl that she's now passed away, her name was Aaron, she was living, she moved in with us full time.

She was also a cage fighter. So these two would get drunk and then beat the living crap out of each other. Like, I mean, at 12, 13, it would be me and all my time. buddies surrounding it and it was like a real legitimate cage fight these two are drunk at this point just i mean full domestic beating each other what does this chick look like oh a straight cage fire she was a beast she would put on gloves and fight my homies my buddies and beat the crap out of them like she was a monster dad look like oh i can we can we can show you pictures he was a monster he was a beast too uh she ends up dragging him by a car later on and that's why they split up

almost killed him so i can show you pictures that too you can see a skull for nine months yeah it was crazy you used to be able to poke it uh we'll get into that so i'm skipping over a lot okay so they're together they're fighting beating the crab out of each other she hates me uh me and her beefed a lot i was the worthless piece of crap son that just lived at the house i was 14 years old she used to be like you're living off your father you need to get out of here and i'm like 14 i'm like what am i supposed to do what do you mean so me and her fought a lot uh and so as we're selling we decide that it's a good idea to start growing bud in the house idaho's very strict on bud and so we decide we're going to start growing bud he gets plants from oregon his buddy brings him over uh we plan him in our

crawl space my dad when he built this house built it with a i want to say it was a 12 foot crawl space eight foot crawl space so you had to i mean you had to have a ladder to get down in there he claims it's on the side of a mountain right isn't it yeah it was on the side of a hill yeah and we had a sunken base daylight basement uh but he claimed the crawl space was always there so that he could grow one day. Okay. And so he did. And we start growing bud in the crawl space.

He puts like 10 plants. And at this point, we're a mess. We're doing drugs, all sorts of drugs. We're doing whatever we can do. He's drinking. His girlfriend and him are fighting every night. And she ends up finding it. Somehow, he was down in the crawl.

He was down in the crawl space with the lights on. And she saw the lights, went down there drunk, bleach everything, poured bleach on everything. Freaks out. out kills everything so we're like all right we can't keep doing that she threatens to call the cops you guys aren't going to be growing that in here it's illegal she knew everything else we were doing but that's where it went too far was the growing of it so we schemed another plan that the crawl space hatch in my room would become the access point to get in the crawl space and we'd shut

that crawl space hatch in the master closet so she would never know we were growing so we did that and I actually got away with it from her for a couple months until she dragged him by the car and moved out. And I can tell that story real quick. She was, him and him were drinking at a house. Heavy drinking. He was hitting on a girl there. She was like, we got to go home. They jump in the car. And when my dad was drunk, he liked to do this thing called hydroplaining. And he would hang onto a car door and slide his feet as you're driving. He thought it was fun and exciting. He's doing that. She's swerving back and forth. He wraps around the car door. She takes a corner too fast and throws him off while his foot is pinned between the car and the car door.

So then he was sliding by his hands. It shaved his hands down to, I mean, just gnarly blisters. Then he went through his arms. So his arms got shaved down, I mean, road rash just. And then he gave up and went to his head and it shaved his head down to his skull. So she freaks out, stops, lets his foot out, realizes she messed up. they go home he passes out has to go to the hospital he ends up being in the hospital for like a week almost died she comes to the hospital says the whole two years we've been together i've been cheating on you so he's like you need to get out before i get up so that was the last time they were together so then i mean i just shaved half your body off i've got you in the fucking hospital i drive i dragged graduate the car. I've almost killed you. I'm going to go ahead and throw the fact that I've been

I've been nailing some other dude for two years. And I'm leaving you. The girl's dead. So she died. We don't know what from my wife and I recently searched it and found out that she'd passed away. We think from alcoholism. And it would make sense. She would pour a glass of vodka and then just splash juice in there. And that was her drink. And we were like, I don't have Wi-Fi. I'll have to find these photos and show you. But yeah, so for nine months, he ends up, the hospital's like, hey, it's going to cost a quarter million dollars for plastic surgery. We have to put a tube in your head and pump it up slowly. You're, I mean, to stretch your hair. To stretch the skin, stretch the hair, it's never going to grow

back. He says, if you guys, I'm checking myself out of the hospital, it'll heal. And they were like, dude, you're going to, I mean, so the risk of bone infection at the time was very high because now your skull is open. So he would They gave us like a bin of antiseptic stuff and cleaners. And so every night. That's what it was. That's what it was. Like we're watering a plant.

Like to make sure that it doesn't get infected. And so at the time, I had a buddy living with us that just so happened. His dad at one point, his stepdad owned a doctor's office or something. So he had some, he had zero medical experience. I mean, he was a 16-year-old kid. Right. He'd just been around a doctor's office. So we were like, you're now our doctor.

Spikoli. My dad did, my dad's a TV repair man. He's got an excellent, an excellent set of tools. I can fix it, you know. Well, so that was, I mean, it did work out. So it ended up growing back. Okay. It did grow back.

But for about nine months, it did not. So for nine months, he used to be able to poke his skull. And he would get drunk and he would have people poke his skull. And he said he could feel it in his molars. So you'd poke his skull and he'd feel it like tickle his molars his back molars vibration from the because you imagine oh it's gnarly i mean i could yeah yeah and so it got out of hand though because as the drinking drug use uh more and more people would want to poke it and then he would try to get people to engrave their initials into it and that's where

i was like this is where we got to stop this he would fall over and hit it and just start gushing blood everywhere so then me and my buddy tanner would have to pick him up and take him to the room and clean it and just it was a mess and it was like that for i mean nine months you could see a skull and it started getting fuzzy and at that point i was like you're gonna die because there's something we're growing on it and slowly it just healed and skin grew back and now he looks fine ish uh he's got his comb his hair that way yeah so for a long time he would wear beanies okay because it looks like a giant uh burn scar right uh and so that girlfriend moved out that all went down he's back home now he's healing i have some girls over one night i was i mean this is years in the future

a lot has gone down during this time frame we're now growing bud uh in the crawl space still going down to california to pick it up he during this time has picked up a cure acquired many that DUs i mean he just could not stop drinking and driving so by his fourth DUI they finally put him on house arrest we have to go down to California so he gets the great idea that he's going to rent a Tahoe and me, my sister, one of his employees and his girlfriend are going to take it down to California to pick up. It ended up working out perfectly fine. We go down to California. I mean, have a great time. Pick up 10, 15 pounds bud, come back. And this whole time, he's still in house arrest. I mean, he's the luckiest man

when it comes time to charges he multiple incarcerations younger now done good gets a DUI blows way over they let him off of the warning misdemeanor gets another DUI like a year later misdemeanor warning nether DUI felony nothing they at that point I think they put him on probation nether felony DUI and then they finally gave him house arrest and so we're like four DUIs in in a matter of five years they finally put him on house arrest we're still trafficking Florida, by that second one, you're already doing jail time. Really? By the third one, you're getting like a year.

By the first one, you lose your license for a year, and then you can get a hardship license. Then the next one, you're doing like 30 days in jail. By the third one, you're getting like a year. I think that's what it is. You get like a year in jail. And usually Ida was really strict, too. Because it's a very simple breakdown. And he somehow was able to manipulate the system to be like, I'm a business owner, I have two kids.

I'm raising my family. I own a business. I happen to have a couple of extra drinks. Yeah, I slip up, go out drinking, and they're like, oh, yeah, it makes perfect sense. He should have gone to prison, but they gave him house arrest. Right. And the whole time he's on house arrest, he was, I mean, doing, during this time was the oxy epidemic.

Right. So he's at home just getting high the entire time on house arrest. No punishment, no, there's no consequences to it. So then we come back. we go on with the growing so I end up bringing some girls over one night and he one of the girls was 18 years old his girlfriend had moved out at this point

because she dragged him by the car and was cheating on him so he ends up meeting one of these 18 year old girls her name was Katie how old was she I mean how old was he who at this time late 40s she was a year in between my sister and I so my sister and I are two years apart she was in between us and at this point before she was 20 she when she first time or she was 18 no she was

she was she left the next day she sorry trust me it's difficult pull that off in the 50s I mean you got to give him the one thing my dad had going for him was he was in really good shape and a good looking guy yeah until he started using drugs heavily again and now he looks I mean just weather and beat up but before then great looking guy super good shape I mean he went to the mMA gym was a cage fighter so girls were like oh every girl i brought over when i was a kid was like oh your dad's so hot so it got so annoying no so then she leaves the next day she stayed the night with him she stays the night in his bed leaves the next day moves in her mom kicked her out so now we have this girl moving in who's 18 19 uh we're partying all the time and i can get into some of the

stories about the parties it just my dad at this point doesn't care that we're doing a legal he just wanted the attention wanted to be the cool guy so now it's parties every weekend now all these 19 20 year olds are coming over but we're still trying to do a legal thing i mean we're selling we're trying to grow and it just gets out of hand i mean it at one point we had 200 plus people party at our house uh cops got called they smelt that there was uh bud at the house but they we played it off that we'd been smoking the issue with growing that much. We had at one point, I think there was only 20-something bud plants. Right. But it's stuck. I mean, when you're growing, right. But in a house, it, every year close stink, you're,

you don't notice it as. Yeah, permeates every day. Yeah. And you don't notice it when you're living there because you live in it. But when someone walks into the house, they can smell it. And so one night, we have a huge party. My dad had a party for this 18-year-old girl. She was just turning 18. So there's 300 plus people at our house. He does mushrooms, he freaks out. I show up and was like, this is not good. We have illegal stuff going on here. And he's like, you have to get everyone out of the house.

He's like, I don't know what to do. I'm on mushrooms. I'm tripping out. And so I started yelling cops. Everyone screams, freaks out, runs. They're jumping out. He jumps off the back deck. He runs into the foothills.

You say, Dad, I'm just, that's not, there are no cops. Yeah, so the house clears out. Well, someone had left. We lived on a private drive. There was only one, two, three, four houses. and they were all, I mean, custom homes. Someone left, went into the neighbor's yard, spun donuts, hit a rock and left their bumper there,

and then left their bumper with their license plate. So after everything calms down, like an hour later, my dad shows back up. He's been running through the foothills. He comes back, all cut up. He's like, what the hell's going on, man? I was like, the cops never were coming. You told me to get anyone out of here.

What the heck are you thinking? So that night, there's still some people there. I end up going to mess with the at this point I'm not sleeping throughout the nights so I'm heavy into drug addiction right so I end up messing with our grow up down in our basement and like eight o'clock in the morning comes you probably drink the same coffee every morning it's fine but what if there was something better trade coffee helps you find coffee that's fresh tastes great and is made just for you you take a quick quiz and they match you with coffee you'll love it's sent straight to your door, super fresh from small roasters all over the country. They have over 400 amazing roasts. Whether you're new to coffee or know your favorites, they'll handpick the perfect coffee just for you. And if that first bag isn't quite right, trade will replace it for free until they nail it. The price is on par with grocery brands, but the quality is next level. Plus, you're supporting local roasters, so it's a win-win. Trade subscription is flexible. So you can pause

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So my dad answers it. He's like, hello, how can I help you? Ada County sheriffs, we're at your front door. He goes and answers it, and he lets him in. And it's like three cops. Do they have a warrant? No. The neighborhood called the cops because...

The donuts. Yeah, and there's the license plate. Well, the cops, he lets them in the front door. Right away, they're like, oh, we smell the stuff. We can smell. It smells like butt in your house. Oh, my son had a party last night. I came back from the bars.

They were smoking a joint. I freaked out and kicked everyone out. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, that's not what happened. It's the exact opposite. My dad had the party, but whatever. I'm not going to tell the cops that. So I'm mad sitting there. They end up searching us all because they know that they're butt at the house.

So they try to pat us all down. My dad lets them. I'm underage. A lot of the kids are underage. So he lets these cops pat us all down. None of us have anything on us. They leave. I think it was at that point they started investigating.

Right. Because now officers have been in the house. They smell. And there's a different smell between the burnt and someone had smoked it and someone is growing it. Yeah, it's fresh. So my dad let her, his girlfriend's, little girlfriends move in the house. They're 18, 19 year old girls. And he decides that if they're living in the house, they need to know what we're doing.

So he decides to have a little group meeting and tell them all. You guys need to come to our crawl space. We're going to show you guys that we are growing. and I'm like dad this is not a good idea right the least amount of people should know this in this point I'm like 16 so then he tells everyone I was almost 17 and I'm like this is just bad

I just know this is going to end badly because now you're involving a bunch of kids that are going to go tell people because I think it's cool they're going to tell their friends and their friends are going to tell people before you know it there's somebody's telling the police or their parents and parents are calling the cops and what happens is one of the girls and then one of those gets pulled over

down the street uh a detective i forgot his name he pulls her out and says hey we want to speak to you about what's going on at that house she comes home crying ran detectives want to speak to me my dad yeah she had so she did have a socket inside a water bottle so they found like a steamroller so you put a socket for like a tool socket inside a water bottle you can smoke weed or mud out of it it's really ghetto pipe okay they find that they say we're going to take your fastma money your school funding. If you get a paraphernalia charge, you'll lose your school funding. Okay. So she comes back crying. They found this pipe. And my dad says, well, you should go talk to him. And I'm like, this is a bad idea. And he's like, just go talk to them and tell him you don't know anything

that's going on at the house. Her or you? Her. He's like just. Yeah, she's going to hold up under pressure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's definitely not going to say what's, yeah. She told them everything. And so when you went to our crawl space, you would never know that anything was going on. So it was a very big crawl space. You would drop down, it's pitch black. You would have to walk all the way down, like 30 feet down, go behind a wall, come up to a door. And it would just be, it was a wall of insulation. So you would never see that behind that wall of insulation, there's a whole room and everything going on.

And that was the whole theory that if we ever got raided, they would never be able to find it. Oh, sorry. Yeah, it didn't, that didn't happen. And so it just, things started getting more and more suspicious as time went on. She goes and meets with them. She comes back. She's like, yeah, I didn't tell them anything, but I'm moving out. Before they raid that.

And we're like, what do you mean you're moving out all of a sudden? She's like, yeah, it's time to pack up. I just, I found a new place to rent. And he was charging her like $100 a month. So you're not going to find a better deal. Right. She packs up, moves out. A couple days later, trash day.

My dad goes and wheels the trash can in. and he's like that's not our trash can i'm like what do you mean it's not our trash can i remember this so vividly because i'm like you you freaking tweak her like not our trash can like you're just on drugs dude like you're tripping and he's like no i know my trash can i've been wheeled that trash can in for eight years i know the smell of it i know the trash that's at the bottom of it i know the spray paint marks that you've spray painted on it by accident so it really wasn't it wasn't they took our trash and they swapped it with another trash can so that they go through the trash and get a search warrant for our house right and so at this point everyone had cleared out of our

house uh no one's living there i mean things are just getting worse and worse because now we're using drugs more and more and we did he kept saying he's like i know we're going to get rated he's like i know it's got rid of everything yeah get rid of the get rid of the plant let's pick it no we got to wait and i'm like why like what what is the need and he just wanted to keep waiting want to keep waiting How many plants were there? Only like 20-something. Okay. But then we had like 30-something seedlings.

So, but those weren't, they were clipped. So we had just started to, I can't think of the word, clone it, clone. And so we had a mother plant we were cloning off of. And so we had just started all these seedlings. And, I mean, like two weeks later, we get raided. Right. And so I'm 17. He, at this point, multiple DUIs, doesn't have a license.

Leaves for work one morning. It gets pulled over down the street. I was coming down off a runner, so I'd gone to bed. I'd been up for days. I've been doing, God, I mean, anything I get my hands on. And so I passed out in the living room. He goes to work to go do a job, gets pulled over down the street. Mr. Gruber, do you know, you don't have a license?

He's like, no. And they're like, we actually have a search warrant for your house. You can either come with us or you can go to Ada County Jail, and we can deal with it there. And he says, well, take me to Ada County Jail. Here's the keys to the front door. Don't kick in the door. We have a Rottweiler, don't shoot our dog. just walk in and my son's asleep.

And so his girlfriend had just gotten out of the bath. She was listening to Taylor Swift. She went into the living room or in the kitchen to make toast. And our alarm chimed. Dogs barking. Alarm chimes. We had an alarm system on the house. They entered through the garage door into the garage first.

So that door chimed letting us know that someone was coming in. She was curious, started walking towards the garage door. They kick it in. Guns drawn. She screams, wakes me up. up. I'm freaking out because she's screaming bloody murder because there's now guys with guns pointed at her. And so then all I see is the tip of a barrel sticking around the corner. So I jump up. I run to my dad's bedroom screaming for him. He's not in there. So I see her phone playing Taylor Swift.

I pick it up. I walk out. And I just have this phone in my hand just Taylor Swift on full blast. And I'm like, this is so stupid. And these cops at this point are screaming at me, put the phone on the ground get on the ground and i'm like i don't know what to do they tackle me gun to the head knee to the back of the neck cuff me up pull me out what taylor swiss song was playing oh i don't remember which one all i remember was that how could that be playing right now it's the most girly it was the and she was singing away and i was like this sucks because i know the cops are like you idiot kid and at this time i was maybe 90 pounds uh i used to be very little i mean when i was on drugs i think when i got a rest i was 90

pounds and like five five as opposed as opposed to 150 pounds you are now yeah 165 yeah it's a huge difference though uh especially when you're on drugs you're just tiny uh so i have no clue what's going on they pull me out i mean our whole streets line with cops i i mean of course at this point i realize all right we're screwed oh they mr grouber they asked me do you know that you you know growing bud in the house i said no there's two plants in my closet downstairs and that's sit because I had two little plants. So I was like, maybe. Maybe my dad's doing something. So I didn't know. I didn't. Whose house is this? Not my house. So I didn't know at this time. My dad's in Ada County jail saying, oh, my son must be growing butt. Because they're like, hey, we know. He's a bad kid.

So I wish I could have his discovery. You could read that. That is the most gruesome discovery you could read of a father just being like, oh, it's my son. There's no way I do that. And they're like, I'm an alcoholic I think my record establishes that That was his That was his logic And he would tell him I drink a fifth of tequila

Every night I have no clue what's going on At that house What do you mean there's There's at the time They were trying to say There's 52 bud plants I've been in the basement

Many times I've never seen any plant I'm sure He said I work Behind the wall There's something behind the wall He said I come home I work all day

I come home drunk I come home Get hammered and go to bed And I don't deal with it Until the next day If you read the discover you'd be horrified that I mean I'm actually impressed he came up with a good a reasonable defense I'm disappointed in your your defense I can already tell oh you immediately say well there's

two plants I don't know what else is going on because I want I don't know but my dad is in the basement a lot he's always in the crawl space I think you guys should look down there so in my logic in my brain is they weren't going to find the rest of it because the wall you know his girlfriend and her friend has been a significant yeah they love going down there I don't know what's up with that. The house smells funny. I know that officer. I mean, for God's sakes.

There was a lot of things I could have said. They made me these funny little plants the other day in my room. I thought my dad would also be like... I'll take one for the team. Yeah. No, he's not going to do that. Listen, I already feel like I have a pretty good handle on your dad situation. Oh, yeah.

He's a great guy. He's a great guy. And so, yeah, hindsight, 2020, I should have been like... I mean, I didn't get in any trouble for this. I was a minor. So they released me to my mom. A couple hours later, I mean, 10 minutes later, sorry. Snap, they pull out all the plants.

It wasn't even, the cop laughed at me was like, oh, do you think that's it? And I'm like, yeah, dude, what are you talking about? And then two minutes later, everything, the whole front yard. And our front yard was dirt. We lived in this house for 10 years. My dad never did a yard. So we lived, it was dirt and sagebrush. Right.

It was weird. And so they pull all these plants out. All our neighbors are watching. And I'm like, wow, this is not good. This is, you know, we're screwed. So they call my mom. they have to release my, me and his girlfriend to my mom. I don't know why.

His girlfriend. Yeah, that was, oh yeah, she didn't have a... Picking up the 19-year-old girlfriend or whatever. It's like... Oh, she was mad. My mom was screaming in that car. Yeah, she ended up... Yeah, she stayed with him while he was in prison, too.

Yeah. She, ride or die, I mean, for a while with him. She had his back. She, uh, so they, they are like, hey, here's his keys. You got to go pick up his car. he's going to jail right uh my mom comes and gets me and her and she's screaming in the car at her and i very awkward car ride to the car go get his car go back to the house and they destroyed everything i

mean the cops don't care when they raid they will cut cushions and they found stuff that i hid as a kid i think it was like like a couple years before that i hit some pipes in the house and can never find him because i was on drugs and they found i you know what i'm thinking like a Hulk action figure they found. No. My favorite Hulk action. I was past toys by this point. There was no.

They found my Star Wars toys. Yeah, no. My X-Wing fighter. I've been looking for years. They found my paraphernalia and stuff like that. And I was amazed. I was like, wow.

I mean, I looked for that for years, man. You guys are pretty good. They left some bud. And so I was able to smoke that. And so, I mean, they, but they destroyed everything. They spit sunflowers. They have zero. And I get it.

I get where they're coming from. They don't care. But at the same time, I feel like you should have some respect when you're in someone's house. And they're not, they're not liable for any of that damage. Like any damage that they create as a result of- It's on you. Yeah, of conducting a search is completely on. So they cut up your pillows.

They kick in your door. You're like, well, hey, who's going to pay for that? You. Yeah. We have a search warrant. We're searching the house. But you cut up, you could have, you could have just unzipped this. You could have-

You could have opened the door. It was unlocked. We're not here to make your life more comfortable. We're here to call it to you fucking. We're here to find stuff and move on. And they spit sunflower seeds everywhere. I mean, they locked our Rottweiler in the house who was not an inside dog.

So she had a heyday. I mean, because then they're, they dumped the trash out everywhere. So she's now locked in with a buffet. Yeah. So we showed up, clean the house.

He's in jail. I want to say a quarter million dollar bond. And we ended up being able to pay it, got him out that night had no clue what was going on uh so we just who paid that how do you that's 25 grand yeah i think we were able to pay 10,000 and a co-signer okay and i think his ex aaron had a co-sign the one the cage fighter chick ended up having to be like it was weird we had to bring oh she's still involved i mean how she ended up he he he's banging her she was involved and the 18 year old or 19 year old which what did we decide how old is she

whatever I'm too young to be to be nailing a 50 year old man it was just weird and she yeah and she would hit on my friend she was any girl he brought around had a thing for my friends either trying to fight him or screw him so she would try to do that uh but the cage fighter one he ended up going like a year or two after the incident where he dragged by a car he went to her house drunk and uh ended up knocking her out and they were play fighting she had it coming that's just be honest so they were play fighting they were play fighting and drinking and there was a bunch of people there and he was like she just stepped into it she stepped into the punch and I was like I don't think that's what happened our other our buddy was there was like that's not what happened she was trying to she had a bit

she had a permanent marker she was trying to write her name on my skull yeah and I clocked her She was like, she, yeah, but after that point, they quit. I did this. It was horrible. They should not have been together. Yeah. Yeah. And she later passed away because of alcoholism.

So the raid happens. We keep doing drugs. It doesn't slow anything down. He thinks he's going to get away. I didn't know that he's trying to pin it all on me this whole time. So then we get the discovery. It was either me or aliens. Horrible road.

It was either me or aliens. This is where you did that. Is anybody from the church ever reaching back? No, no, no, no, no. What about his sheep? What about its followers? The funny part is at one point, the kids from, so we're, I'm using drugs. I used to have the kids that he was the youth pastor for over to the house.

And we'd party. And when we first, they first started coming over, he would hide. So, hello, Pastor Johns. No. So he would, we would be in the house partying and he would be out in the house partying. and he would be out in the garage and then we would go out to the garage and he'd come inside and he did this forever and I was finally I was like dad what is going on and he's like I can't do this I can't he's like it's just so weird he's like I watch these kids grow up and now they're

doing drugs at my house and I'm like yeah well just accept it and let's move on dude like you're just being weird and then he was like all right yeah and so then he used to just party with us and yeah he would try every once while he still tries he's still religious so he'll still post on Facebook and stuff be like the Lord and God quotes yeah and he's still shooting up drugs and I'm like I think you're misconstrued in life there buddy so we finally get the discovery and my buddy Tanner and I are sitting there drinking one night reading it and the first thing he says is the first thing the cops say is you know what's going on at the house no I don't well yeah you do there's 52 bud plants in your crawl space are you suggesting that my son is growing

that's exactly what he says I think you need to speak to my son about this I think he's up to some and I'm sitting there reading this like what the heck is going on so then we keep reading and it's just every point they're like I mean the detectives are like rant

do you think that for one second we are going to believe that your 17 year old son has this elaborate grow up in your crawl space and you have zero clue what's going on well yeah because that's what's happening they're like so at one point they said so aliens have to be growing

it because there's no way your son's doing it. I mean, the aliens have to be, but it's got to be aliens. He's, he's, he's an entrepreneur. He will go with, very industrious. He would go with whatever, just not to admit that he was, and so as we're reading this, I'm like, Dad, come here. I'm like, what the heck is going on here, dude? Oh, they're lying. He's like, that's not really, that's all the eyes. They took that out of context. Yeah, that's not exactly how that went down. And so he's still, his attorney at this, I mean, it gets brutal. He has a paid attorneys paid attorneys like grand you can't do this like even you trying to do this the detectives no it's not true but they will charge your son like if this is the route you want to go down if you

keep saying it's your sons right i mean there's going to be multiple charges so he finally admits to it uh his attorney was like you can't do this to your son like this is this is messed up so he admits to it he gets sentenced to uh right yeah he no he went to prison and he just messed up on his rider? Oh. So in Idaho, do you guys have riders down here, rider programs? I don't know that much about the state prison system, but I've never heard that term. So I don't know what that means.

So it's like a three month, a three to six to nine month program. They can sentence you to anywhere from three to six to nine months. And it's like a drug rehabilitation or they have a violent offender one. And so instead of going to prison, you go do this three, six, nine month rider. Then you go back in front of your job. judge and he can decide. Are you incarcerated during this time? So you're in prison. So that's prison. That's six months. Nah. And because you don't go in front of the parole board when you get done, you go back

in front of your judge and then your judge has the authority to let you go out on probation or to go back to prison. So it depends on, so whoever running that program kind of tells the judge like he did a good job. Or he did a bad job. Bad job, your honor. I ended up later going on a rider. Okay. And I can explain that. It's a horrible program. I mean, it's not a horrible program if you want to do good and change your life, if you don't want to do good, then it's a horrible pro. It's like boot camp. Right. So, I mean, very like boot camp. I don't know anything about that. But, uh, so he ends up going to prison. Now he leaves me with this 3,800 square foot house, 3,500, I don't know, and, uh, he just takes off. I mean, he's in prison. I don't know

what to do because now I'm living in this house. It's going through foreclosure at this point. So we've lost everything he sold his business uh sold that should have sold the house didn't let the bank take it so now it's going through foreclosure i'm still living there i'm squatting now he gets sentenced he's gone what year is this 2012 okay yeah so i mean how do you 17 no right now 30 i'm 30 look like a child yeah how old did you get not 30 huh i'd say you were 22 years So imagine now, now, now imagine me at 18 when I go to prison. You look like one of those little baby videos. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I was thinking we could turn him into one of the little baby videos, but I don't think there would be a difference other than the beard would be on. I could shave it. When I shave this, I keep it now because it's like, if I shave this, it's bad. It looks like a child. And so the pre, you remember in prison, the prison pre-prolimination act? Yeah, yeah. So when I get there, it was the biggest joke because I look like, I mean, I love like.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, everyone loves it. I would walk on the tier. Vaselinea. Stupid as crap. All a joke, of course.

It ended up, yeah. So he goes to prison. Anybody offered to buy your tennis shoes? No, no. No. But they did say don't accept the candy bar. I always get you guys talking about it. And that is funny because there's a whole video about don't accept the payday.

Yeah. As soon as you get to prison. As a joke, yeah, a beat. Oh, I've had that. Yeah. Your buddies would do it as a joke and like, uh, I was in, I was in, I was a GED tutor one time, and this, this black guy that would come in. It was actually the SLD program for GED.

So it was for the slow guys. Okay. And this guy would walk in every once in a while with a Snickers bar. And he goes, hey, Cox. Hey, he put it on the thing like that. And I go, that's funny. Real good. And he'd walk out.

He'd do it every, whatever, every couple days. So one day he did it. And this is after now, I've been doing this for three months. I know the guy now. So he walks in and I grab it and I peel it. And I take a bite of it, but he goes, what the hell, bro? What the boy? Cox, what are you doing?

I was like, when you just gave it, you put it in my thing. He's like, come on, I'm just playing. That's my Snickers bar. He probably did that joke with a bunch of people. Yeah, yeah. And finally someone ate it, and he's like, my joke's over. Yeah, it's over, yeah. I had a buddy that would do that same thing.

And finally, one day, I was like, I'm eating the freaking candy bar man. Like, if you're going to put it on my pillow enough and you think it's funny, I want to eat it. So he, but so he goes to prison. I have a buddy move in with me. And at this point, on and off drug use, but he moves in with me. He has his girlfriend or his sister come over one night. I meet sister's boyfriend, who is a drug addict, big into crystal, big into selling it. So my dad's in prison.

House is going through foreclosure. Dude sees this house and he's like, it's a nice house. Can I live here? And I was like, yeah, pay me $800 a month. I'll rent you out the downstairs. I mean, you got to make money. I told him my dad's in prison. He doesn't know the house is being foreclosed on.

So he moves in the downstairs And now we're selling drugs out of the house Again, back to it He's going down to California to pick up Coming back One of the trips he goes down to California to pick up He's picking up Bud, Crystal Just a bunch of others

A bunch of things This guy had just done five years in prison For trafficking from California to Idaho Just topped out the five years I think it's a great idea for him to move in with me Sounds reasonable Yeah So he goes back to doing it.

He gets hit by a semi on one of his trips back. He had a flat tire in his Cadillac pulls over. A semi ran over the corner of his Cadillacs just demolishes it. Puts him in the hospital. Police come, show up. The semi left. So the police show up, find this dude with a bunch of duffel bags on the side of the road, beat up in his car.

They take him to the hospital, drop him off. He calls me. He's like, dude, I don't know how the cops thought they just dropped me off of the hospital. with, I mean, duffel bags of drugs. They left the drugs? With him. Yeah, they picked up him in his suitcases. And took him to the hospital because his forehead split open.

And I'm like, there's no way. This is suspicious. I think it's a setup. Yeah. So I'm in Boise at Homestar. He's in like Pocatello. It's the three-hour drive. He's like, you guys need to come pick me up right now.

So we jump in the car. We start heading up because we're like, this is insane. I end up getting a speeding ticket along the way. Don't have a license. Get a DW. and have to we switch drivers but we end up picking him up bringing them back

and he's like I'm done I'm done doing that I'm done driving to California I'm gonna start sending it here I'm gonna start mailing it do you have an address that I can mail stuff to the house that's going in foreclosure no no no because I'm like that's a bad idea house just got rated for growing we can't have it sent here

so I hit my mom and I'm like hey mom aren't you renting out a room at your friend's house and she's like yeah I have a friend that's importing toys. So I said, yeah, I was like, can I have something mailed to your house? I'm thinking you can't tell your mom I'm mailing, I'm going to be mailing drugs. I think, I think, yeah, I might have told her it was Amazon or something.

I don't remember. I said some crap. So, so, and that's not, no, what happened was, is the detects. It was supposed to be next day aired. Was not next day aired. Two days later, it hasn't gotten there. And I'm like, that's weird. And he's like, oh, call FedEx.

And I'm like, I don't know. Every time I've ever talked to anybody who they, suddenly, it just disappeared. And then three days later, it showed up and was being trapped. I don't know what happened. It's totally safe, though. Yeah. They said that, you know, they said the truck was in an accident or whatever. So he tells me, I'll give you a teener, a 1.75 grams of dope.

If you call FedEx and figure out where the hell are packages. So I'm like, fine, dude. So I call FedEx. They're like, oh, we are going to have. this other delivery driver reach out to you. Okay. Delivery driver reaches out. It's actually Detective Christensen with the Boise Police Department.

Oh, I got your package right here. I'm going to deliver it later. But he says he's from like Amazon or something. No, he says he's with FedEx. He's like, oh, I'm a FedEx delivery guy. I got your package. I'm going to deliver later. Detective.

Yeah. Detective Christensen. Not yet. Yeah. He says that when he's put in the handoff. Yeah, later on that day. I understand. No, I ran.

I ran. Okay. Yeah. So he says he's going to. to deliver it. I'm like, oh, I'm going to go pick it up. So I head that way. And I just had a bad feeling. I knew. I knew it was over. I knew that it had been busted. I mean, I knew by tracking it. I was like, this just, just tracking it seems hot. Drive by my mom's house. It's full. I mean, the cul-de-sac's full of cops. Right. Peel out, leave, and I drive away. And my mom calls me,

Alex, you're going to come pick up your package? I'm like, nah, I can't make it today. Well, it sounds like when they asked her mom, too, she said, I don't know, but, this might know my son and it was his name on it right you were there living with mom okay and she told me she goes when it was a DEA agent and he had the box and he goes

this is you shouldn't have these things sent in the mail as a specific wordage and she threw it this package yours and it reeked like they did not so and she was like um I don't think that's from Amazon because that's what he said it where it was coming from

Amazon and she goes I don't think that is an Amazon package, and he goes, well, is it yours? Because it's addressed to your address. Right. So the package from FedEx, or the package got there, your mother, the DEA showed up with the package, said, is this your package? She said, no, it's not my package. I know that something was being mailed here from Amazon. That doesn't look like an Amazon package.

And he was like to smell it. Yeah, it's reeks of marijuana. And she said, no, that's not my package. And so then your mom, she said, my son was having something mailed here. So what they do? They had her call me. Her call and say, hey, are you coming to get this package? Yeah, they were like, yeah, your package.

She was like, your packages here. And I was like, I can't make it today. I'm busy. All right. And at this point, I'm doing 100 miles an hour home. Right. Called the dude was like, you effing idiot. Like my mom's house is surrounded by cops.

Right. And he's like, just come home. We'll figure it out. It's not that big of a deal. No one can be charged for it. Yeah. Well, I mean, let's face it, your mom didn't accept it. It wasn't in some, it wasn't in your name.

It wasn't in somebody else's name. But the issue is I called and I took ownership. So once you call and you give them your name for a package and say, here's the tracking number, they're like, well, that's your package then. Because now you're calling, you're giving us your name and being like, that's mine. I need to know where it is. And so that's where they're like. I feel like I could get out of that. And I feel like I could have got.

I also, I mean. My lawyer could have been like, yeah, you don't. I had a public defender. Yeah, and they were trying to charge. They were threatening to charge my mom. And so at first. I'm going to put money on mom's books. Do the right.

At their first second, I was like, you know, I think I could have held her down better and she held me. Yeah, I'm not going to say, I feel for you, mom. That's a fucked up situation. Damn, mom. Why would you even think about doing that? I don't know what you were thinking between you and dad. I'm definitely going to end up in prison.

So. Better to be a visitor than the fucking. So at the point where I say, I can't make it, someone has to speak to you. Yeah. Hey, Alex, this is Detective Christensen with the Boise Police Department. We got a package here for you that seems suspicious. It smells like a certain substance.

Well, that's not mine. I'm like, what are you talking about? Who's it? Who's names on it? Well, it's a made-up name. I'm like, no, it's not. Because I'm like, I'm not going to say who's it is, but I'm going to say, look at the name. Because, I mean, you can see who's name it is, right?

That's whose it is. No, it's not. Because you're the one that called to give us the tracking number to ask about the tracking information. It's now your package. Because your mom's saying it's your old. You were going to have something sitting here. Well, I don't know. I didn't like that.

So he's like, just come talk to me. I was like, if I come to you, you're going to arrest me. He's like, but if I have to find you, I'm going to arrest you. But I have a better chance that way. I was like that. That's just some distance between us. That was my theories. All right, good luck.

I was like, bye, click. I didn't know my mom was like 5-799. Here's the address to the freaking house he's at. Yeah. Here's where he's at. Here's the car he drives. So I get home I park in the garage

That dude who's it was left He's now dead too A lot of the people in this story Later on die Right He died Yeah from he OD'd on That's not a natural cause

By the way Oh unnatural cause I mean it was naturally he did it It was natural for an addict Yeah It's pretty natural causes You're living that kind of life So he left

And so I get there And I was like, hey, you told me to come back and we'd figure this out. He's like, yeah, I figured it out. That's not my word. It's not my herb. And I'm like, well, what do you want me to do? What should I do? He said, take the charge.

They'll go easy on you. You're, you know, 18 years old. You're a kid. You've never been in trouble. You'll get out. And I'll put money on your books. He told me that. And I thought, and I thought, damn, this is this a good idea.

I was like, you know what? Seems like a good dude. I was like, I thought, I thought I was just going to run until I got caught. And it only lasted about four days. Because I wouldn't leave the house. Some of them are better than others. Yeah, I was not. This is the first time I ran, the first time.

Next time lasted a little bit longer. So about four days, didn't leave the house. I was scared. And then the fourth day, some girl hit me up. And I was like, I should leave the house. Yeah. It's totally worth it. No.

So as soon as we left, my buddy, I was like, you're going to have to drive me. I don't have a license. He's like, yeah, it's totally fine. As soon as we get to the end of my street, there's a cop park there. And I'm like, just turn around. It's a private drive. They can't drive onto it. In my mind, I'm like, it's a private drive. They're not going to be able to get me. If I run in the house and close the door, they'll never be able to. He, his ideas, I can, I don't know what his theory was. I don't know. He just thought he wasn't going to get pulled over. So he kept going. And I was like, Tanner, please just turn around. He's like, no, dude, we're fine. They're not

here for you. They were there for me. They, I mean, as soon as we get through my neighborhood, pull me over, Mr. Gruber step out of the vehicle. Detective Christensen wants to speak to you. I was like, well-played, Detective Christensen. I mean, you got me. Take me to jail. And this is where I learned that cops are, they never really have your best interest. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. It's weird. Because if you watch Law and Order, you feel like they're always looking out for you. It's not even law and order. as you still believe that there's some justice i mean not even justice there's some i don't know fear play yeah something good is going to come out of it you know what i mean he brought me to county

jail says you know we just want to know what happened what was going on if you tell us well let's you go yeah it's going to be an easy night get out of here you know you go to court and i was like all right we had we had bud set in the mail right i mean well you're going to jail what do you just wanted to know Yeah. And once again, it's not mine, though. I was like, it's, it's, my name's not even on the package. No. It doesn't matter. You just admitted to sending drugs in the mail.

I was like, yeah, but I didn't say, I, I, it's not my, yeah, no. Straight to MCU, Max, and Ada County Jail, um, boom, booked in. I was like, wow, this is horrifying. And at this time, I'm 95 pounds. Is your, where's your dad? He's in prison. Yeah, he's still, the boot camp thing. No, he's still doing a writer.

He was on the farm. So in Idaho. we have the farm we have the farm of the yard iCC and iMS i all next to each other and the women's prison so there's like six prisons all within a stonster of each other right so he was at the farm uh doing his little rider and then i i just get locked up and that's what actually bit me in the butt is that my dad was trafficking and we were cultivating but at the house and now his son a couple months later is trafficking into Idaho. So they were mad.

They were very angry. A $50,000 bond wasn't too crazy, but my mom can't afford it. So I sit in jail. Get sentenced to a writer. I think I want to say I got sentenced to a six-month program up in Cottonwood, Idaho, which is, I mean, beautiful. One of the most beautiful prisons you can go to an Idaho.

It's going to sound funny, but I mean, deer. I mean, you're in the mountains. There's deer Roman. You see bears. I just, it's, and it's a camp. It's a spiritual retreat, to be honest. You really, you can really connect with yourself again. Didn't happen there. Didn't do that.

Where cars are wearing like monk robe and serving you tea. I wish. Two dudes actually, while I was in there, two dudes escaped from that prison while I was there. And they were about to, stupid idiots. So, this is the first time I learn about jail. MCU Ada County. 22, I want to say 22 or 20

hour lockdown at the time so you're only out for four hours a day four man cells. Is it a sally? Oh yeah, you have three sallies. Oh. So it's four man cells. Yeah, bunk beds

and you're locked up for 20 hours a day. So when you've got to do something, I mean, pooping and pissing right around each other. Yeah. And I'm an 18 year old kid. I was like, what the hell?

My sely. Is it a curtain or something? Yeah, I mean, can I get some private? Is he here, man? No. My cellie, super cool experience. I mean, not super cool. The older guy, so he was able to look out for me.

He had seizures at the time. So the first time I get in the cell, he's like, hey, man, just so you know, I have seizures. If I ever have a seizure, shove a book in my mouth. And he tells everyone this when they first get in. And I'm like, okay, like that's weird. One day he starts seizing out. And one, I think it was me. It was either me or one of the cell.

He shoved a book in his mouth. not the encyclopedia just a big old thing smaller well and so they ended up having to take the book because he bled on it and everyone was mad at us because we just lost a book but and then the seals yelled at us for putting the book in his mouth because you're not supposed to because they can choke on their own tongue yeah well that's that's a myth it's actually more damage is done trying to break these guys oh with you'll break their chip their teeth no it's super aggressive like when you're trying to shove a book in a dude's mouth that season out but they actually never swallowed their tongue you can't swallow your tongue I hear you I mean I'm just saying I've met I knew a guy who

had seizures and he was like bro he's like he had two or three chip teeth he's like these are because fucking people trying to shove shit my mouth trying to put a spoon in my fucking mouth and chip in my teeth he's like that's a myth he's like just leave me alone that I see and so it's but it's scary when someone's he said that oh he was right away like shove a book in my mouth he's a and when he stroked out he was older and when he's when he seized down not stroked out he full I mean like back off the ground I mean stiff we were freaking out shove the book in and there's a button in your cell you're not supposed to push it ever push that button medical swarms we get yelled at for shoving the book in the mouth I was like

the dude the dude told us to I mean what do you want me to do but this was my first experience in Ada county jail and it was I mean drugs I thought okay going to jail sober up my mom was hoping son go to jail sober up up right it's not the case uh they changed it a lot now now they have body x-rays coming into jail right in aida county so it's the same as the airport so any inmate coming in now gets a full body x-ray so they cannot smuggle anything in at the time they didn't have that so uh crystal a lot of crystal a lot of tar i mean it was just very prevalent and so i start using drugs again continue to use drugs at one point you know what tar is black tar

Yes, H. Sorry. Have you ever been in trouble? Never. Listen, he had no idea. Absolutely not. Listen, we were probably like six months or a year ago. We were talking, my wife and I, I met my wife in the halfway house, and she did like five years for a conspiracy.

And she, we're talking. And Colby said, he was telling us a story of something and said, golly. And Jess and I both glanced at each other, and we just kept listening. Later, we were like, I'm like, he just said, golly. She's like, I know. He'll say stuff every once in a while. And listen, the, the first, probably the first time, like when, well, first, what was the first first of, Mike, Michael Dowd?

Mike Dowd, but then we had a guy that was just like straight thug, like breaking in houses. I mean, these are the first few guys that are, I mean, he's sitting there listening. And you're just, you're like, well, dude, I literally know. zero like and the whole thing I'm thinking the whole time like this guy has got to be questioning he's got to be going home to his wife

every night said I listen I don't know I don't know about this job anymore I'm not feeling too safe in the workplace these are insane people and then about a year in we moved here and Matt was going to have like a content house going to have a couple different people

that had prison channels do this and this is I had there was like a kid right at a high school that wanted to learn. So I was like, okay, you can help me film on days that I can't. So this is the first day I brought him here. He's 18 years old. I'm assuming he's kind of like me.

Like, you know, he doesn't look like he's ever been in trouble or rough around the edges or nothing like that. So we're sitting here on the floor. And one of the guys that was going to move in here was filming a podcast. But he supposedly was sober. Yeah. Yeah. He had gone. When he helped me, I didn't realize.

he was doing a bunch of drugs because I had thought that he'd been sober for like the last five or six years and he's married turns out he'd been sober for about six months and his wife later told me oh the longest he's ever gone is a year she's like yeah it's been three months six months and for the last four or five years and then and so that that morning or the night yeah I think the night before he had started using drugs he helped me move we set up yeah did the podcast and he'd been using drugs that hold that kid no no no no no no no no no I got the guess so I brought the I caught the kid, like, hey, come watch me. I'll show you how everything works.

Like, you know, I told him, it's like, oh, so he's just hanging out watching. I told him, it's a true come channel, but most of these guys we bring in, they're, you know. Super Mellow chill guys. Yeah, because they've, they've, they've started their life over there. They're reform. They're working on, you know, better in their lives.

So Matt's interviewing someone else. Yeah, and this guy cannot be quiet. He's opening up fucking, you know, cabinets, slamming them. And I'm like, I keep looking over and looking over at him. And I'm like, And one time I stop, I'm like, hey, bro, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I didn't see you guys there. It's my bad, my bad. And he has a podcast. He understands, you cannot. Right. And so then we start talking again, then all of a sudden, bra, right. And he's like, oh, fuck, bro, sorry. I'm like, and I'm like, what the fuck?

He's like, fuck you, man. What's I go, fuck you? And now we start screaming at each other. And he's right here. And I'm like, what are you fucking do? And I have a whole fucking thing. And I'm like, you and the kid. And the kid, we're sitting right here on the floor.

You should have posted that video. Oh, it's up. And Colby left out. I just removed the names and stuff. Yeah, and I think I said to Colby. I think I even said, I said, you know, Colby, Kobe was like, I'll cut that. I said, don't cut that. Leave that in.

Fuck him. So that kid never came back. No, he did come back. That's your first day. That's your first day. I caught on the way home like, hey, dude, like, that is never happens. It was insane. And, you know, it was so funny about that guy.

Like, like I said, he was supposed to move in. and he was going through a divorce and he was supposed to move in and then of course three days later he calls up he apologizes listen I'm good I want to move out I'm like no you can't come in here I can't I can't you're doing drugs no no I'm all better

I'm sorry by this point I've talked to your wife or you're soon to be ex-wife I already talked to her she's in the longs you ever gone was a year and that was five years ago and it's been every month or two she's been struggling maybe you've been sober three to six months at this point and I'm like no I can't deal with that and it's not like

he's 150 pounds. The guy's six foot fucking tall and weighs 200 pounds. He's probably six, too. Yeah, he's a big boy. He's a big guy. I can't handle, if things go wrong, it ain't going to go my way. No, he's sitting here freaking out, bro. He'd be like, who are you talking to?

Just suggest you're like, all right. You're like, you want the master? Or you get the big room. That master's actually really nice back there. So, yeah, I've, but Colby's funny because now Colby's friends call him and they're like, Hey, man, what do you think is going to happen with this? And Colby's like, well, I don't know if it goes state. He'll probably get this because federal.

You've learned a lot. Oh, yeah, I was telling, well, we came here earlier and I was telling Matt about like, okay, we're about to have this guest. Like, this is a story. This is a breakdown. Like, this guy put him on and this is what he got cut up for. He's saying put him on. Yeah.

And Matt's like, you do realize that you just, you know. He just said put him on. This guy put him on. His dad put him on to the, you know, the game. And he's like, the game. I'm like, the game. Put him on. The fuck are you saying.

You can't talk like this. You're changed. This isn't even me. You're corrupted now. I don't even talk like this. He's throwing slang in there. I stop myself or what my wife will say to me. If I say some kind of slang or she'll be like, like you said, fall out.

She'll be like, fall out. And I'm like, I mean, he fainted. He fainted. I'm like, fuck. What am I saying? Sorry. Oh, you're fine. Yeah, so, I mean.

Totally green. But so you were, you're talking about all this stuff is coming into the prison. Oh, yeah, yeah, Ada County Jail. So, I mean, just flooded. Body scans. So at the time, they didn't have them. So anyone going to get arrested, especially guys. They know they're coming.

Yeah, I mean, there's guys serving discretionary days, weekends, or maybe they have to go do a week. And so he'll put an ounce of crystal up his butt. This is what kills me, by the way. This is always kills me. Is that these gangster tough guys. Putting stuff in their butt? Well, that that in the prison pocket.

Yeah, yeah, your prison purse. yeah like at no point have I ever been in a situation where I thought oh I'll just hoop it oh I definitely we can get to go get to those stories like whatever your mind frame has to be to think I need to get no this search I'm just going to hoop it there's never been a time in my life where I thought let me explain I will be addicted I will need to like no I'm not doing that it's it's not it's more of like if you know if you know it's not about the deed it's about in a situation if you know you could say not get busted for it. If you put it in a certain place, they're not going to find it. I understand the goal. My whole thing is I'll just do without the drugs. Yeah, yeah.

Or the money or whatever that. I've never been in a situation where I thought, like if somebody, you know, somebody said, hey, I'm going to sneak this into visitation, you, and then you'll be able to do. Okay, we're all, we're already done. We're already done. You're like, we're moving past this.

If that's part of the plan, we're done with that plan. No, and someone threw that plan out to me pretty quickly. I was like, yep, that sounds like a good. plan and see i didn't so in ada county uh of course people are smuggling and i didn't i mean i didn't it's gonna sound weird hiding anything in my butt until prison because even in a county it's like you just put in your pocket put in your waistband i don't know because i guess i hadn't learned yet the prison pocket like it because boxers you could always just stash it in there's a little pocket in a pair of boxers or you can cut a hole and stash stuff and

It's just a little slit. And so you can hide it there, and that's what I did. It's a county jail. Yeah, it sucks. Because it's your 20-hour lockdown with four dudes. You don't get out. You're only allowed out for three hours. And that's, that's MCU.

You're getting in trouble. There's where they send you. If you do good, you go to the dorms, a lot more laid back. So you get to read? Yeah. I read a lot. Got a lot of books sent in. That's about all you can do.

I was going to say. Takes about a week for you to really acclimate yourself to being okay with just sitting there and reading. Well, and then you're doing drugs. Well, I'm not that way. So then you're mixing in crystal. So you're stuck in a cell for 20 hours. So it would make it harder to read?

Yeah, it made it hard to focus on a lot of things. I mean, we just- It might make you an amazing reader. We just played cards, poker. We would literally, I mean, cell door would close at night. You'd sit there play poker until the cell door opened the next day. And it's just monotonous and just stupid.

And you're just, what am I doing in my life? Do they have board games? No. If you had, like, if you had like, a day or you knew you had two days or a day or two of being in a cell with four guys and you could give me the game risk i'd be like which game was risk perfectly happy we didn't have what oh gosh give me it some time which games risk i'm about to invade russia oh officer please please i got stuff going on i'm a little busy right now my lawyer can come back they they didn't

give us car dominoes for the day room yeah you could go and play dominos Risk is? It's a board, it's a game of world domination. I'm not allowed to play board games in our household. Are you, really? Yeah, I get, uh, yeah, they got shut down. Wife, wife doesn't let me play guard games anymore.

I'm not allowed to play, I'm not allowed to play, my wife never wants to be on my team because I'm always like, yeah. Yeah. I try to take over the game. I'm serious. What are you doing?

It's like, come on, hurry up. We're playing a game. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, come on, come on. You should already know, it's your turn. You should already know what you're going to do. Yeah. And apparently I like to cheat.

I don't believe that. I don't like losing. Who does? I mean, tell me, show me somebody that's okay with losing and I'll show you a loser. You know what I'm saying? I mean. So, yeah, not too many board games, though. Just drugs.

And then I could never make it to the dorms because I was, once again, I like to get in trouble. I like the center of attention. So everyone, every deputy in Ada County jail knew me, just because for one, when I looked like I was 12 and I was like 95 pounds and I had long hair for some reason I was a stoner before I went in so I had super long hair like like past my yeah and I thought no as soon as I went to jail is like this has got to go we're done with this they'd have you dance out on the table yeah I was like so uh you can see my mug shot I think I said you you can see it was up in a bun at the time so cut that I mean my mugshot looks horrible I have half an eyebrow I was just I was strung out and so just looking rough cut the hair eventually couldn't make it to the dorms uh the judge sentenced so i get in trouble for a pound it was a pound and a half bud but so they charged me for it and the judge wanted send me to prison because of my father because of that seems unfair well it does but i was there

at the house i was participating in the grow so he looks at it as look at what you're doing so they give me a chance a rider right six months caught in what idaho beautiful that That's the beautiful place. Right. Mountains. Amazing. For a prison. For a prison.

So, but before I go there, I have a DWP in Burley in Pocatello because I had to go pick up that dude that day. Well, I got pulled over. Right. And I got a warrant out for my arrest because I never went. So they have to send me like four hours the opposite direction to eastern Idaho. I go to jail there for six months because they say that I ran, I absconded from my ticket. Right.

I was in jail. I was like, I never absconded. You guys put me, I got arrested down here. It's irrelevant why you didn't show up for the court date. It's irrelevant, exactly. So they say, all right, well, we're going to give you probation. I say, okay, well, I'm headed on a rider. Can we deal with this after the rider?

Yeah, no problem. They didn't do that. I got a warrant out for my arrest because I've sconed in for probation because I didn't sign up for probation. I couldn't because I was seeing. It's irrelevant why you didn't show for probation. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So they shipped me now to prison.

after the court hearing they sent me to prison i'm now so in our in idaho we have the r d u rd u any inmate coming into prison if you're going to a writer or if you're going to prison hits rd u on the yard first classifications then they get classified and sent on so you have to get sent to the actual prison before you go on your rider and so this was my first time like i guess walk in the yard and it was the i mean it really it was the yard so medium secure uh it wasn't bad I was, I mean, it's prison. It was terrifying. I'm 18 years old.

I was like, probably going to die or something. Get stabbed. You're there for about a week, and it's, you're in a huge, a huge hanger. It was literally like a airplane hanger just full of cots. And it was like overflow R to you. And half of it is people going to prison and half of it is people going on riders. And so you kind of have like a mix of just inmates that are not wanting to do good because they're headed to prison and inmates wanting to do good because they're headed to prison.

and inmates wanting to do good because they had to do a writer. And I did not want to do good. So I kept getting in trouble there. Drugs. Again, I'm now in prison. I thought, maybe there won't be drugs here. Never once, all of the time I did in county jail in prison was there never not drugs. Right.

And it's insane because, like, it's so abundant. So I get to RDU, they ship me off to Cottonwood, Idaho, do my writer. And it's a six-month writer, intensive, I mean, military style you shirt tucked in boots on you wake up at 6 a.m. or I think at 530 and your belt cannot touch your bed until like 8 o'clock a night you have to stand for the I mean you march all this crap drug and alcohol counseling uh intensive everything because they're trying to make you change right from being a drug at it yeah yeah yeah break you down psychologically to rebuild you as a as a good citizen yeah during this to

dudes escape just take off running from the camp from the compound they were like two months away from getting out and each them got five more years and so at the time there was a nine-month program that nine-month program was allowed to go leave the prison and like commissary would show up in a truck they would take inmates from the nine-month program to go unload the commissary into the prison so they would open the gate and let these inmates walk to the commissary truck and walk back in the prison and they just took off running in the woods kept walking yeah lasted like three days got busting washington i ended up in prison with him later uh but i mean i asked him was it worth it he's like i don't ask me in five years right i was like that doesn't make sense to me but okay so i do the

program struggle really harder that it almost get kicked out a few times and got back uh went in front of my judge and he did not want to let me out because i did not do good Right. And he's like, I have a feeling you're going to be back. Back to Burley, they put a warrant out for my arrest. So he releases me for my rider, but I can't be released. I have to be shipped all the way up three hours, four hours, because I have a probation violation. So then I have to be sent to that county jail to fight my probation violation,

which it wasn't because I was still in custody. Judge is like, oh, that's our mistake. We're going to release you. So he releases me. So now I'm out, dear rider. And this is so kind of where life takes a turn Because I was like, at first I was like, I'm going to do good They make it really hard

They don't really want you to succeed, I don't think What, when you get out of prison the first time? Did you go to halfway house? No, and so I got released. I tried to get released with my mom and her boyfriend, at the time her boyfriend, my new stepdad. They were like, no, he's got guns in the house. So I was like, well, can I go to my buddy's house?

And they were like, yeah, that sounds fine. so I went to just a buddy's house and they're smoking herb and you know they're partying and so I got there got a job I had to do 90 and 90 so the 90 days or 90 A meeting's in 90 days I have to do UA's color code I have to get a job I don't have a license because I have SR 22 insurance so my mom was having to pick me up drive me everywhere and I mean I was really trying for like not I probably a couple weeks and then i was like this sucks like there's just no way in my there's no way they were putting too much i felt like they were putting too much on me so i was like you know i don't think this is going to work out and futuristic the rapper was coming to idaho and it just so happens that we were able to go to an after party so that night i go to this after party with futuristic and we're partying is it futuristic yeah it's future no there's future and futuristic two different rappers caught and so we're partying there and get some herb and so i was like well i'm gonna

freaking smoke right i'm on probation so i smoke and then the one thing led to another i smoke some herb and then for some reason next thing you know i'm doing some crystal gateway drug yeah exactly gateway drug right but i mean within hours it went from like herb yayo to crystal and then the next morning now i'm high strung out sitting in this trailer park we went back to a house my peel calls me that morning and he's like mr grueber it was just the craziest coincidence that that morning he decides he's gonna call me he's like you need to come in and we got to speak about all these uas you have because i had a bunch of uh diluted uas so they weren't dirty but i'd just been drinking too much water right because i was hiding what i was doing yeah you need to come in and speak to me

No, I'm not going to do that. It's a bad idea. I'm like, I can't, man. And he's like, well, you know, we're going to put a warrant out for your rest. And we are going to find you. And I said, well, I'm like, I guess that's the way it's going to be. Like, there's no way I can come speak to you right now. And he's like, all right, well, we'll see you later.

All right, bye, hung up. Six months I went on the run. This is where it starts. Because now I'm like, huh, I start selling drugs again. So I meet up with some people. And at this point, I get strung out on, crystal really bad i start carrying a gun around i'm now jacking drug dealers i mean basically anything to support the habit uh it you're a felon yes so i'm a felon run around with a gun in possession of

a firearm uh selling drugs don't have a license so i'm driving cars no license i've never i didn't have a license until i got out of prison the last time until i was 25 26 so during this whole time don't have a license on the run guns drugs and i'm robbing i mean everyone i can't because i have to keep supporting my habit there's nothing i mean i'm selling drugs but i can't sell the drug i mean because i'm doing them right so bad business model yeah it doesn't work out huh yeah yeah and so i end up the first time i get uh set up it was my buddy brandon i'd known him since about third grade and he wore a wire on me and i sold him an eight ball would have brandon had gotten arrested and said i got somebody uh so i never figured out the full story of what happened i asked my attorney

and he said he just works for him oh okay so he'd been busted at some point he's just periodically cracking something yeah the girl is dating at the time does get in trouble because she goes to his work right and so she does get intimidating and stay witness okay so well so go back so your buddy sets you So he sets me up. So at this time, I'm on the run. I'm selling drugs. Basically just doing whatever I can to survive. All right.

Living out a hotel from hotel. And it's getting crazy. I mean, we're robbing people out of the hotels we're staying at. If there's another drug dealer with we or with anything, we take it. It doesn't matter. We were just dumb kids that, I mean, we were high egos, thought that we were tough and thought we were cool because we had a gun. Right. It's all fake.

And so he ends up setting me at wearing a wire on me. During this transaction, I thought that he was my buddy. So he asked questions like, hey, you know, you're jacking a lot of people. What's going on? So I pulled out a gun and I'm like, oh, I got a gun. I'm not too worried about it, not knowing that it's all on wire. Right. So then I smoke some drugs in the car, some crystal, and we hang out.

We talked for like 20, 25 minutes. I did not think that he was wearing a wire on me. I get out, go leave, he leaves. and then from that point on he kept hitting me up kept being like hey I want to buy this off you want to buy this off and every time he would message me being like hey can I get an ounce of crystal off you something would happen like one time I lost my wallet so I had to go find my wallet another time something else happened finally after weeks of this and it just so happened every time he hit me up something bad had happened where I couldn't deal with it right and then finally one morning I ran into him at a maverick gas station and he was limping and he's like hey man can I borrow 50 bucks I was like, no, I'm not going to loan you $50. If I loan you $50, you're never going to see it again. You're a drug addict. And I was like, but I got this Sada shotgun you could sell.

And so for some reason, I pull out a Sada shotgun at Maverick at 7 a.m. And I'm waving it around. And I'm like, yeah, $250, you keep $50. I make $200. And he's like, oh, man, message you later. And I'm like, perfect. Later that night, he messages me. Hey, man, I'll buy that sot off shotgun.

and do you have anything else you can sell me? I was like, yeah, I got four DeLodins, D8s. And so he was being suspicious. He's being weird. And at one point, he pocket dialed me, and I answer, and it's his sister in him, no, his sister as well. And she's like, you can't do this to Alex. You can't do this. And I'm like, what is she talking about?

And I'm sitting there listening to this conversation. And he's like, no, you don't understand. And she's like, you can't do this. And I'm like, what the, what are they? What, is he trying to jack me? I'm like, this is weird. Like, he's trying to rob me. I have the gun, though.

Like, you're going to try to rob a dude that you're, I have the side. You're coming to meet me and I have a shot off shotgun. So finally he answers and I'm like, dude, I have a loaded shotgun. It's like, if you're coming to rob me, just know that, like, you're coming to the gun. And he's, oh, no, I'm not trying to rob you. She just doesn't want me buying drugs off you. And I was like, that was a weird conversation I just overheard, though. And like, never once was she like, you shouldn't buy drugs off him.

She was like, you shouldn't do this to him. And he's like, oh, no, it's fine. And I'm like, whatever, I trust him. And at this time, I had cut the power to a hotel room by accident. So the hotel had given me a nether room. So I was like, I'll just have him meet me at the hotel room that doesn't have power. Because I still had the key to it. So he ends up coming to buy the Sadoff shotguns, Eladens.

I'm wanted, been wanted for six months, been on the run. And been up to all sorts of mischievous stuff. I mean, they at this point, at this point, they pulled me over. I'd given fake names. I'd gotten tickets. I'd pushed my luck too far. And so I walk out of the hotel. There's three dudes with, I mean, three dudes with sweatshirt zipped up, standing there.

I'd walk out, light up a cigarette. I asked him how the night was going. Oh, good, good. How's yours? Good. Walk over to his car, jump in there. And the whole time I have a duffel bag with a shot of shotgun in it. Walk to his car, jump in there, throw him the gun.

And we sat there. and BS again for another 10, 15 minutes. I thought, I don't know. I don't know if I'd be that comfortable setting someone up. Like, he was so casual and cool about it. Like, it was nothing. Right. Yeah, like, it was nothing.

Still blows my mind because I would be freaking out. I don't know if I would be, that's insane. So he's got three deputies or three officers. Oh, there was a lot more than that. Okay, so he's got these guys surrounding him. Those were U.S. Marshals. He feels perfectly comfortable. Yeah.

So those were three U.S. marshals that I did not know they were U.S. marshals until I get out of the car and he drives away. And the whole parking lot lights up. I mean, dogs, cops, those U.S. marshals with guns. And at the time, I had a machete on my side. That's the whole another story. So it got to the point where I... You just don't seem like this guy, by the way. Yeah, yeah. I mean, my wife has no...

Has been there when I pulled machetes on people at gas stations and... At the time when I was doing drugs, I would flip within a, I mean, it was not good. I just don't know that I could take you serious. Yeah. They'd be like taking me seriously. I'll beat your fucking ass guys. I'll stop at college. I know you're mad.

Calm down. Oh, yeah, dude. If you saw me with long hair and this little tiny kid. Super skinny. But that was, you think, I never got robbed. Right. No, no one ever jacked me. So, I mean, it somehow worked.

But so. The parking lot lights up. I got my phone in my hand, and I was like, I got to delete these messages. My dealer was about to show up. So I started deleting. They say I'm going for a weapon because I got a machete on my side. They know I carry guns. So all of a shotgun and a machete.

Yeah. They said I was going for a weapon. Can you believe that? Those assholes. In my mind, I was like, dude, you really thought I was going to pull a machete on you? Like, you're, what did they? You do have a shotgun? No, I sold it.

I just, I thought you were still sitting in the car. No, no. So they waited until as soon as I got out of the car, he drove away. Oh, okay. You didn't say that. I don't think. I thought that he'd left and he'd gotten away. So I'm clear and safe.

So he drives away. I'd go to my girlfriend's car at the time and I grabbed a different devil bag out with like scales and like a bunch of paraphernalia. And then as soon as I walk, leave her car and start to walk back to that door, the whole parking lot lights up. I mean, cops, dogs. I was like, how were you guys so quiet for so long? then I didn't know you guys were there but as soon as you wanted to you made a presence being like

you're going to jail because if they made a bunch of noise yeah then I wouldn't have came out yeah that seems those dogs though those dogs are the most aggressive terrifying thing when they're in your face but they're dead silent

for half an hour yeah they're well trained say something in German and they want to kill you so they say I'm going for a weapon U.S. Marshal scoops me up face plants me in the ground knee again to the back of the neck gun to the head i was like dude i'm not going for a gun i'm not

going for a weapon bruise my ribs i mean pull up the fucking machete what's this that's that's personal protection that's that was the first thing that was the first thing he did was rip it off my side and i was like dude i'm not going to grab like who's got walks around with the machete at the time i mean yeah i mean you don't live in the bush you know you're not australia no No, this was like Eagle Island. I would walk into a Walmart with a machete on my side. Oh my God. And so like,

and the crazy part is I would steal stuff at Walmart. And like I would go into a Walmart at Fred Myers and walk out with a shopping cart of stuff. And no one would try to stop me because I had a machete on my side. It's so it worked out like in the time in my rationalization in my mind of on drugs and a machete. I was like, this is a good idea.

Uh, wasn't because that's why they tackled me to the ground was because of the machete. And I had another one in the duffel bag. Uh, But they go up to the room, girlfriend's screaming. They're like, do you want to see her? I was like, no, that's a whole other mess. They were like, light up a cigarette.

They were like, we'll light you up a cigarette. They're like, you're going to jail, sir. Oh, shit. Yeah, I know. I'm wanted from felony probation. At this time, that's it. I'm wanted. They're like, we've been looking for you for a while, Mr. Gruber.

You're wanted. Right. I'm like, yeah, I know. All right, back to Ada County Jail. They interrogate me for a minute. They're like, hey, you know, you've been on the run. What have you been doing? You've been selling drugs.

I was like, you a me. I pee hot for everything. I was like, this was pointless. My PO comes in. He's like, I told you I'd find you. And I was like, eh, U.S. Marshals did. They're very clever. Yeah.

Go to court, have a paid attorney. William Partridge. He's actually the coolest guy ever. At the time, the girl I was dating only paid him like one of the payments. Right. And then it started. Yeah, and then it was like, never mind. And he was like, look, dude, you guys owe me a lot of money.

Right. And he's like, but I'm going to take this case because you're screwed. He was like, you're a kid. He's like, I'm going to represent you and help you. Didn't work. Try to get another writer. The judge waited till sentencing to bring up the fact. This whole time, my girlfriend went to his work, the dude's work, to try to ask him about, like, did you drive away?

Okay? And she gets arrested for intimidating state witness. And I'm like, huh, that's weird. But at this time, I had no charges brought to me. so I just still think I'm in Ada County Jail because I was wanted for selling, but. Right. Well, the probation violation.

Yeah, and a probation violation. And it's not a big deal, though. Because that's like, in my mind, I'm like, I'll do another rider. At sentencing, my judge, or my attorney's asking for a writer, he's like, you know, Mr. Gruber messed up. He's a young kid. My judge says, no, he didn't mess up.

He was selling guns and drugs on the streets of my town. So not only was he on the run from felony probation, but then he went back to doing the same. thing he was doing before and I was like that's weird how do you know that I never got charged for guns and drugs he sentences me to five and a half years in prison for the original probation violation and pound and a half right after court my attorney calls me into the little meeting room and he's like yeah I just got served a warrant by the ATF I was like for what and he's like well that sawed a shotgun that you had yeah they yeah you're screwed and I was like what do you mean

He's like, they hit you with unlawful possession of a firearm, a previous person, fell in a possession of a firearm, having an altered firearm, possession with the intent to distribute ice, possession with the intent to distribute pharmaceutical drugs. And I was like, well, what's going to happen? And he's like, well, for $80,000, I can represent you. And I was like, buddy, she didn't pay you the $10,000 I owed you.

Right. What makes you think? And he's like, well, I'll tell you this much. you're going to prison for a long time. He's like, that's all I know. You already got five years. Yeah, I already got for five years. So it's two plus three.

So two plus three. So in Idaho, they don't give you like a straight sentence. They'll give you like two years and then five years on parole. But then it's up to the parole board to decide if you get out or not. Okay. So a two year fixed with three years in a tournament. So I was like, well, I'm screwed. And he's like, yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, the paperwork, when you see your name against the United States of America, I really says this. It's terrifying because it is when you're like, when you're like, oh, damn. And then I'm this kid. Different when it's Idaho. Yeah, because it's like, it's just a state. You know what I mean?

Like I pissed off one state. Right. But now I pissed off. The whole United States is upset with you. Yeah. And it's the ATF. Like I was like, well, what do you mean? It's the ATF and alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

It's the ATF and E now. The alcohol tobacco and firearms and explosives. They had to add that in there. I was like, I went back. and it was showing all these inmates. I'm like, dude, what's going to happen? They're like, yeah, you're screwed, kid. Like, you're going to federal prison.

And I was like, no, that can't happen. Like, I'm 8, at this time I'm 19. So I went into 18, did the rider, got out, went on the run for six months, went right back. And now I'm in there again. So then I go to federal court, which is a beast of its own. I mean, the black box,

those U.S. marshals ripping through. I don't know. They'll never take the same route twice to the courthouse. yeah so like and the difference in the budget you could immediately tell the difference in the budget between state court and federal you walk into the federal court and you're like oh these fuckers have some money it's oh yeah this is you're like you walk in then you're like I'm fucked yeah there's nothing held together with duct tape there's no fucking like this is all like premium shit and just the building itself the federal courthouse building it's like black key pads where there's no numbers they type it in and you're like I screwed up and so everybody matches all the uniforms match like you go to the state court it's like you guys are throwing shit together from a for a store they're rugged looking and the deputies in state the the deputies at the state court are always CEOs that used to be correctional officers then they moved to the courthouse because they wanted to transition their career so then you end up seeing them there but these these u.s. marshals are in real deal and they tell you there like you because it says we never miss our man and i was like oh yeah what about these extradition states and or countries and you talk about this they said if we want you bad enough we'll come into a country put a black bag over your head and pull you out it doesn't matter where you're at and i was like oh yeah i've met over a dozen guys to exactly that they're like i was in my fucking country was in my

country these fuckers can't and america's like yeah it doesn't matter we're gonna get you're just go ahead and just grab you yeah and so first time i go to court there they walked me through the main lobby told everyone to get against the wall i mean made it seem like i was big deal like this huge i mean the people in the courtroom even the u.s marshals were like you're just a kid like yeah they were caught off guard that this 18 19 year old 80 the 90 pound kid was going in here and it helped me tremendously i mean through the entire process you were talking earlier about the uh prosecuting attorney mine had just lost a family member so we go through the whole process my attorney shows me the point system five to seven years is my point

system i've one prior charge for uh the the trafficking of bud then they tell me okay so five to seven years is your range but because you have the youthful offender going for you you look young so you might be able to get under so come sentencing day they asked the youthful fender whatever the prosecuting attorney had just lost a family member and was late for court his family member had passed away in a car accident or something so he was late for court and so they had a postpone for like 20 minutes. Then he shows up, balling his eyes out, and he goes in to start talking about how I should not be there. My father should be there for raising me this way, that a young kid going into a system like this is just going to corrupt him and destroy him. So the judge, at the end of it,

was like, he couldn't sentence. He said, he's like, I cannot sentence you to go to prison for seven years. He's like, in good conscience and goodwill the way, I mean, you look like you're a child. Right. So he gave me three years. Well, I already had state. So now I'm sentenced to state and federal time. The judge also wanted me to go to federal prison because the classes are better. They had the drug and alcohol program to get sick. Ardap.

And he told me all about this. And he made it seem like federal camp prisons. I mean, you'll get the help you need. So. In a way. If you want it. Yeah. You got to work for you.

Yeah. There you go. So if you want it. I believe that federal prison probably does have better classes, better programs. then state ran prisons. I first handed the state prisons don't have, they don't want, they don't want you to get better.

Right. Because if you quit being a drug addict, who's going to fill that bed? So I go to state prison. At this point, I'd done... Do you do the five, or do you do the two years and then go to federal? That was the plan.

That was the plan. Okay. So, no, it was ran concurrent, but I was almost topping my two years because of the state time and rider time. So by the time I got to prison, and it was ran concurrent, They, like a month into prison, they're like, I have a parole hearing.

So I was like, sweet. Hell, get me out to federal prison. Let's go. I'll go do my three years out there. Parole board? No. You have to come back in a year. And I was like, why?

You haven't given us enough time. And I was like, that doesn't make any sense. You've taken two years in my life. Not enough. For you. And so at this point, but at this point, I'd done good in prison, for the most part. I hadn't gotten in trouble. I hadn't done good.

I'd done drugs. I just hadn't gotten in trouble. And up until this point, I was like, I'm going to stay away from gangs. Because that's stupid. There's no need for that in your life. So then I get to prison. They deny me. And then when I got sent to prison, it was ICC.

At the time in 2013, right before 2013, you can actually Google it. ICC was a private-ran prison in Idaho. It was, I think there was only two privately ran prisons. One is a rider facility. one is ICC. Idaho took it back because a dude beat another dude for like an ungodly amount of time while this COs just watched. It's all on YouTube the video. It's insane. The dude's name is Houston that beat the other guy. I actually met him in there. He so beats this guy family suits for like $30 million wins. Idaho takes the prison back. The 2012 and 2010, up to 2012,

ICC was ranked in the top five worst hand-to-hand combat prisons in America because it was a private prison. So then I go in 2013 right when Idaho was trying to take it back and it was just, I mean, chaos. Oh yeah. Because at the time that ICC, the private prison was running it, they were allowing the gangs to run it. I mean, full control, dudes are getting stabbed, kids are getting stabbed. It was bad. So then Idaho steps in. So they're trying to crack down on it, just putting us in lockdown. I mean, if there's a fight, six-day lockdown, three-day lockdown. So I get there and is my first experience with now prison because the RDU doesn't count. And it's Like, I mean, I guess you go to prison, but it's like a week.

Right. And you don't really, you know, from military as yourself, the prison. Right. So they send me to ICC medium secure facility because I got the federal hold. My buddy, I have a friend named Kai who lives in a wing called J.K.L. So the wings there are ABC, D.E.F. G.H.I. J.K.L. And so it's three pods. And he's a six foot two Samoan, Hawaiian guy.

I mean, could beat the living just a big dude. So he has no problems in prison. Really good buddy of mine. So I was like, oh, I want to, the prison was like, do you have any family member? And I was like, yeah, my cousin Kai lives here. I shouldn't have said anything because right away they're like, well, we'll send you with him. We'll put you over in that unit. Well, that's J.KL.

That's like the gang units. So there's in ICC in Idaho, there's West Wing and North Wing. North Wing's gangs, activities, stuff like that, people getting in trouble drugs. West Wing's PC cases, protected custody, offenders, the people transition. into being whatever sex. Right. And then, so they sent me to North Wing, JKL, with my cousin and all the gangs.

Because I was like, I just want to be with someone I know. Right. I want to feel comfortable. Yeah. And so I get over there and at first I was like, I'm not going to participate in the whole gang thing. I had just gotten flopped. So I was kind of bitter.

And so I love car games, love poker. So I was playing poker. slowly start to meet some Serrano, south side Mexicans. And from there, things just led one to a nut. And next thing you know,

my homie's asking me, you know, who's back do you have if stuff pops off? And I was like, well, no one's. And he's like, well, I mean, like, are you going to back up the white guys or the Mexicans? And I was like, well, I mean, shit, you know, you've been helping me out. You know, you guys help, you know,

we're spreading together. You know, you loam me a TV, whatever. I was like, I'd probably have your back. Well, that turned into now you're getting affiliated. Right. As a kid, you don't see these things coming. So then I got a buddy that's bringing bud in. And so back in Ada County, there was a dude on video visits.

And he was visiting two girls. One was a bigger girl. And one was skinnier. And I was like, dude, what's up with that skinny girl? And he's like, oh, she's underage. I was like, oh, fuck, never mind. I was like, what's up with that bigger girl? And he's like, that's my sister.

I was like, perfect. And I was like, you know, I'm going to use her, right? And he's like, oh, yeah, I don't give a shit. And I was like, perfect. Because what you want to do when you're in there is find a bigger girl. We're going to get into this real quick. Oh, my God. Listen, they support you, they help you out.

You know what I mean? They know what it's like to go hungry. This is probably going to get me, ban. They knew what it was like to go hungry. They wouldn't be bigger girls. True. Yeah, but missing a meal to them, when you start talking about, missing meals, they're like, damn, that sucks.

You can pull out their heartstrings, you know what I mean? So I tell them, I'm going to use her. And he says, well, that's a good idea. So I ride her. So when I got to prison, as soon as I got sentenced, the day I got to prison, she'd already, I didn't even know she'd put in a visit request. So all of a sudden, there's a visit request in. She's coming to see me.

And I'm like, what the fact? This chick's crazy. Worked out. Because if they fall in love, he's manipulated. So you convince him that you're in love. So then my, her friend is bringing her boyfriend, bud. I was just thinking that's, this is your husband. Yeah.

So her friend is visiting her boyfriend in there. My buddy squeak. And she's bringing him bud. So I'm like, Megan, what's up? Like, you know, I get him going hungry in here. If you just bring me these balloons, make some money and we're good. And she's like, there's no way that's going to happen. I'm not, no.

And I was like, well, you're in college right now. You need a laptop. they'll drop off three balloons in a laptop. You keep the laptop, you give me three balloons. I mean, it's pretty good trade. She's like, that's a great trade. So now she's bringing me in. She thinks it's herb, but bud, it's crystal.

So now I'm having my buddy, package crystal, drop it off to her. She's bringing me in three balloons at a time, three eight balls. And it just kind of... It's like straight to hell, bro. Oh, yeah. It gets crazy. Straight to hell. This is horrible.

So now I'm bringing this shit, this stuff in a minute is. Like, it's just, it's just some bud. Yeah. I have a quick question. How do you facilitate that from prison? How do you give a hate? Like, how do you set that up? At one point, towards the end of it all, it was my sister.

At the beginning, we had homies out there. Yeah, you're the one that dropped it off when I got arrested. Uh, towards the last one. You're homie. Your ex-boy. Yeah. Yeah. But how do you get that?

So, how do you get that word out, like out of the prison? So we have homies out there. And so that's, we're definitely going to get into that. Uh, because the phone call. The phones that we know are recorded, you think you're being sneaky and talking about dropping off a pair of white shoes. They're not stupid. Yeah, I was going to say.

Yeah, so, and I tried to argue that the detective's not a Fed, so he can't. He doesn't know how to encrypt these codes, but the judge is like, yeah. Yeah, I mean, why do you keep bringing up a pair of white shoes or a pair of black shoes? I mean, why do you need to have so many pairs of shoes dropped out? Borderline, you know. So you try to talk code to your people out there. They drop it off. And we got away with it.

I mean, I did it for a long time in prison. So that's the one thing. I was, I had a very good system on how I did it. And I was a drug addict, so I made sure that I'd never got busted. Okay. So you're being vague. So someone drops it off to this chick. Yeah, sorry, sorry.

She brings it in. So I'll get in a detail. She would put in her bra. So someone drop off three eight balls. of start with the phone call yeah yeah start with the phone call so you're you're sitting this is how i'm thinking like you're sitting in a jail cell by yourself like i want to get this stuff in here yeah so so what's the first step so at first it started out with me trying to convince her to do this because she's like there's no way in hell you're tripping so it took

weeks of visits it's not just like you're going to convince a girl that's never done this to be like they're going to wear them down yeah and then you know you start offering money and then you bring up a laptop next thing you know she's got a laptop She's got three balloons at her house. She hasn't been arrested. She feels good about it. Yeah, she's never been in trouble. Yeah.

She's in love with this dude that is going to, I don't know what the hell they're thinking. Because I'm like, I'm going to change. My life's changed. I'm going to change in here. But yet you're bringing me in. And I've always been in to big girls. Yes. That was one of her things.

Because so many guys that look like me are. One of her things was I don't look like any of your exes. And I was like, yeah, but I'm trying to change everything about me. So this is one of the things I want to change. Big girls. Yeah. I'm now into big girls. So, convince her.

My homie makes a call. So I tell my homie, in my homie's name, the dude that pulled me up named Liljo. I'm like, Liljo, all right. He was the one that was like, we got to convince her to do this.

Because like, God damn, dude, you're going to make a shit ton of money. You know, you like to get high, whatever. So he makes a call, basically has his homie get her number.

He takes over three balloons. And the way we did it is they were wrapped in pink balloons. And it was specifically pink balloons. because we use strawberry chocolate milk. Strawberry milk. And so you'd put them in the pink balloon. She'd put them in her bra and she would come to the visit,

just hang out just because in Idaho you have to sit across from each other and you can't have any physical contact. You can like hold hands for a second, but if they see anything and there's cameras everywhere, there's CEO's watching. So she would have him in her bra and we'd be playing face-10. And my whole thing was you have to act as casual and as natural as possible. So when you get up to the bathroom and you go put those balloons in your mom,

mouth, I would have her take the balloons, go to the bathroom, put them in her mouth, come back and sit down. So she's sitting there with those balloons in her mouth. You keep playing phase 10. Do not, don't, don't come sit down and grab my drink and all of a sudden frickin' start chugging it. Right. Because they're going to look for that. So I'd, she'd sit down, I'd have a strawberry milk right here. She'd grabbed it earlier in the visit. She'd sit down and you can still talk while holding things in your mouth. All they want to do is see the mouth move. So when she's sitting there, she's moving her mouth, acting like we're having a conversation because they're watching her. They just watched her walk out of that bathroom. They're

looking for an abnormality to see if she's going to do something different. So she'd grab the milk and just spit one in there slowly, close it, set it down, just keep talking, pick it up, slowly spit one in there, set it down. And I would leave them there because now they're watching to see, are you going to grab that drink right after to hurry up and chug it? To put that together, they'd have to have watched straight for fucking 10 minutes. But 10 minutes later, when you grab that, they're not still thinking of somebody else. And so CEOs would walk by and they would,

open the milk and look in pink balloons foamy strawberry milk they wouldn't see anything right and so they would look in there and they do a quick look they're not so they'd set it down and there would i mean there's times where i was just i mean sweating bullets because there's a ceo sitting here talking i'm very friendly person so i was very friendly with all the ceos probably wasn't the best thing as you're doing this because they would be sitting there they'd come over and start BSing with me and her and oh how's your guys this day and i'm sitting there just being like dude get the away from me because I got a small one. And one time I choked on one. And I mean, it was like a like a weird oval shape and it got lodged in my throat. And I'm sitting there, eyes are turning

like, you can't breathe. And she was ready to ask for help. And I was like, you were not going to ask for help right now. So I just started slamming every drink at the table I couldn't. And it was able to get it down. But so that's, yeah. So that's, and I had the best, I would watch people get busted. I never told anyone how I did it. Because the strawberry milk was the best system at the time where I was at. Because I would watch people get busted. And I would sit there, swallow these three balloons and walk back to visit. And I wouldn't throw them up.

That's the other thing is you don't go straight back to your cell to go throw up. Because people would get busted. They'd come back to visit, walk straight back to their cell, go throw up these balloons, pull them out and then get high. And then the COs would walk in their cell and be like, well, now you're screwed. Because now you've got the drugs on you. You've been using the drugs. So my thing was I poop him out next day

Get back to the unit and hang out Go sit at the poker table and play poker You have to act as casually as possible This later came to bite me in the butt Because in April Your parents must be so proud So later on Down the road

Not even later on At this point I'm 20 Coming up to my 21st birthday I'd smuggled in like I'd done it a couple times And I told my buddy I was like I want to get really high for my 18th Or my 21st birthday

And he's like alright dude screw it do it so i was like i'm gonna bring in two eight balls uh one goes to the homies one goes to me so i'm gonna take that and i'm gonna use the whole thing i brought it in to visiting that night the next day woke up to from woke up just i mean i woke up like six a m just ready to go and i i remember that day because i like woke up and i was like all right start the day like it's gonna be a good day it's gonna be a good day right up and ready and i was like that's weird and I'm sitting there tweaking out on this magazine. And my homies are like, dude, it's 6 a.m.

You can't put this in. It was a magazine that sold books. So it was a magazine with like little descriptions of books. Yeah, yeah. The bargain, yeah, bargain book magazine. So I'm sitting there reading about every single book. And they're like, dude, you're tweaking out right now. Like, did one of those balloons open up?

Like, you good? And I was like, hey, I'm fine, I'm good, I'm good. I'm just ready to go. Like, I just feel great this morning. And then Rhett got called. So I walk out to wreck And it felt like someone took a fucking dimmer switch And went zzz and cranked it up

All of a sudden it just Right And I was like Oh I'm fucked I'm like I'm hot This is not good At this time I've only been in prison In prison about three months

So I didn't really know anyone Or feel too comfortable with people Like I had my homies The strenuous But at this point An 8 ball of dope Sorry just blew it by my stomach So I've never been this high in my life

I don't think a lot of people have. I walk up to my buddy Troy, and I'm like, Troy, what would happen if an eight ball of death, meth, an eight ball of dope blow up in your stomach? And he's like, well, you could have a heart attack. He's like, worst case is your heart stops. So you can't, you can't really OD on crystal.

Your heart will just stop. You have a heart attack. Your heart can't keep beating. It just gives up. It feels like that. It's an OD, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm freaking out. I mean, I'm freaking dripping. It's just March. It's not that hot out. And I'm sweating. I've never been so hot. At this point, my body's freaking out. He's like, okay, we got to get you back to the unit

because you're going to have a really rough time. He ends up leaving me in the hallways, and I have to wander back to the unit myself. A whole mess, Sergeant stops me. He's like, what are you doing? And I'm high. I was like, oh, I'm coming back from wreck. And he's like, you're not supposed to be moving through the prison right now.

How do you, what do you mean you're walking through the halls? And I felt like I was floating through the hall. Like, I've never been so high in my life. I mean, an eight ball, it just blown up my stomach for five days i didn't sleep i seized up for like the first two nights uh i mean my homies thought i was going to die they were like ready to call medical for five nights didn't sleep at all finally on the fifth night i thought we were going to escape we're supposed to jump a cop in my mind i had packed everything up there were snowmobiles waiting for us

the corporal comes over i start screaming at him my homie beats comes over he's like what the fuck is going on dude and i'm like we're supposed to be getting out of here man and he's like you need sleep and he's like you have no clue what's going on right now and I'm like dude they have snowmobiles they're waiting for us and he's like Alex this is he's like he's isn't good and he's like you need to go to bed I threw my tablet at the wall stormed off to bed and actually went to bed woke up the next morning and was like what the hell had just happened I was like I don't think I should do that one of the COs called me out was like we know what happened like if you ever do this again I don't think he really knew the full extent of what had happened but like

I went from being a very talkative, the person on the tier, everyone wants to, like, and then for five days I was gone, just in myself, couldn't leave the bed. I mean, I couldn't get up. Like, body season. So then I was like, I'm going to keep smuggling drugs in.

Because of why I win you? Right, exactly. Just double, just double balloons this time. Yeah, make him strong. Happen again. How big was big girl? I mean, was she like, she was like, when you hugged her, could you touch?

No. You couldn't touch her? No, no. Like, probably. close but not okay i hope she doesn't see this i just i just i have a i have a buddy in prison his name is ellis cook and ellis had a girl a big girl it was actually a friend of his sister who came in and he was like right seen her a while but she was she's a big girl she's a big girl and and so when he got back from visit he said we were like what does she look like bro like well

like he's like the bigger like he is it's not like I can almost touch my hands he's like I was not but what they say 100 pounds away from me touching my what they say the bigger the better because she well she listen she held it down on the on the on the book she's doing whatever he wants this is a this is a tested theory in there that I mean clearly it works every time uh someone comes on here talks about a CEO helping them like a Oh, God, I got a story. Matt always asks, he's like, what you look like? Yeah.

Okay, so Boswell, I'll throw her name out there. She got, ended up getting fired. Later on, years down the road, I'm trying to bribe every cop I can. She's one of them. She was bringing me sushi. She would give me ribs as a CEO. So, I mean, rough lady. I mean, in there, though, I was like, I got me sushi and ribs, which she's just

pulling out of her lunchbox. Yeah. That's her normal. She got a full, she got a full fucking rack of ribs. So she would go get a meal and then bring it in like a to-go meal and then freaking break me off. And she'd call me out, Mr. Gruber, come out to the foyer. Oh, you can go out there. And I'd come back with just like napkins full of food.

Well, then the Serenios in there decided that they, you can't go out in the tier by your, you can't leave the tier by yourself. So you have to bring someone, a homie. So the buddy system, so no one's snitching. So then I bring this dude out there. She breaks us off some sushi. I get some sushi come back in. A couple days later, they want a heart check him.

So they're like, hey, he's about to get out. He's about to parole. You got to go beat the shit out of this dude. And when we all go to lunch or dinner or whatever, he checks in, tells the freaking CEOs that, you know, Boswell's bringing Gruber food, all this gang activity. Well, he's got to, he's got to say something. He wants to go home.

Yeah, I was going to say, like, you know I'm about to go home and you tell me. They test him to see if he's got the heart still. They're like, you're about to go home. So you got to go beat this. And all he had to do is say, all right, I'm down. And they would have been like, all right, cool, you're good. You don't actually have the deal. do it but like in that situation he was like no fuck you guys i'm out i'm trying to go home yeah he rats

on me right they don't have any proof that she's doing this but they separate us in the prison she ends up going to west wing i stay in north wing she ends up getting arrested and fired for passing out pictures of her vagina to the inmates and i mean with her face in it like so they find the photos and they're like hold on that looks like one of our cos And so she gets fired. And I'm like, what the heck? But she was, I mean, she was rough. And my whole thing with her was, the day I knew it was going to work,

we were walking on the tier. And I was like, when she walks up the stairs, I'm going to put my hand on her back and guide her up the stairs. And if she freaks out, I got to stop doing this because, like, we're screwed. And I guided her up the stairs. And we got up the stairs. She looked at me. And she's like, did you just have your hand on my back?

And I was like, yeah, what about it? She's like, all right. And I was like, this, she does not care. Then I tried to bribe another cop He did care He ended up in the hole for that one Yeah What do you say when you put your hand on his back

I did not do that I offered him five I offered him like a thousand dollars And he was like nah dude I'm not sending you pictures of my private Yeah And then I think I got up like A couple grand

And next thing you know Investigation is calling me over the intercom system And she grew up you're going to the hole I was like for what And like yeah You know But so I did this So

I decided to start smuggling. The balloon blows up. Three months later, it blows another eight ball blows up. This time I'm a little bit more. I knew what was coming, so I woke up from a dead sleep.

It's like two in the morning. It was like, I don't even strap in, buddy. It's going to be a long one. Three days later came out of it. Get the snowmobile ready. Yeah. We're out of this, bitch.

This time there was no escape plans. This time, three days, and like, after three days, I was good. I was like, all right. Now I can nap, and we're past it. uh so doing that and finally so during this whole time the prison kept ua in me they and they would only you a me when i was sober it was the funniest thing so i got 13 uas in like a little over my first

year in prison and there was dudes that had been doing 20 and 20 like 20 years fixed they've been in there 18 years and he's like i've been you eight twice he's like how have you what he's like you have such a target pointed on your painted on your back that they're just after you it's because they knew i would come back from visiting and they would joke with me and be like oh you got to go throw up now you gotta go throw up and i'm like dude we're tripping i don't think i don't do that and then they would sit there and watch me on the cameras because i knew i knew that they were watching me so i'd just go play poker i would make it so that they didn't know they knew but they couldn't prove it right until i finally got ua'd uh about a year and a half in and i i don't know

what was going on that time but i just wanted to get really effed up in there so over a three day period. I did an eight ball crystal and didn't sleep and I cut the power to four of the cells by accident. What does that mean? I still don't understand. Cut in power. Oh, I accidentally flipped a breaker and like legitimately cut the power. It's like four

cells. It's like... How do you flip the breaker? So a dude told me that in federal prison they made little bunsen burners. Yeah, yeah. So I thought in my tweaked out mind, I can do that. Put one together? Yeah. It's like a stinger. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was going to, so at the

time we were making uh he was telling us how people would deep fry stuff yeah with stingers and make bunts and burners and stuff like that so i was like that's something i could do and it's something i could pull off no i uh arced it flip the power flip the breaker and so there's there's a breaker that they can get to to flip the power to and there's a breaker that they have to call someone to flip and i flipped the main one the big one so the my homies being my homies they're stupid they're like you have to go tell the ceos you did it and i was like you have to go tell the ceos you did it and i was I haven't slept in three nights. I don't think I should be the one to go out there and talk to the COs.

They're like, yeah, you need to go admit to it. So I went out and I was like, I flipped the breaker that night. They, you aid me. And I failed. And so, and then my homies were like, why did you pee in the cup? You're not supposed to pee if you know you're dirty. Because then they know there's drugs. Yeah.

I was so high, I convinced myself I was clean. So, yeah, that didn't work. They pulled me out of the cell at 2.30. I was playing Sudokuu. P in a cup, pee, week later, headed to Max. From there, it just kind of spiraled into more shit, went to Max. So IMSI in Idaho, Idaho Maximus Security Institution. At this point now, I'm labeled as a affiliate to the Serenios.

They put me into GHI, which is Max at ICC first. And there's GHI. And these tiers are cut in half in GHI because it's Macs. So it's like a big tier, but the wall down the center. So then half the tier, half the tier. Does that make sense? Yeah.

And so they're smaller. Well, they put me on this side with dudes that aren't affiliated when this side is affiliated. And my homie's like, well, you've got to fight someone now. And I'm like, why? And like, because those are dudes

that aren't affiliated and you're affiliated. So I'm like, I don't, at this point, I've been in prison for a year and I've never fought anything. I mean, I don't fight. I'll carry around machetes and guns because I don't want to fight with fists, which was probably stupid.

And so I ended up having to go fucking fight it, dude. Punch me in the face, get mazed, whatever. They move me the other side of the tier now. All my homies are like, oh yeah, hell yeah, they call me Niño, oh yeah, Nina. And everyone's all happy. So then they roll me up to IMS, because they're like, well, now you're in our max fighting. So now you're going to Idaho maximum security institution. And I was like, what? So they sent me over there. And again, I mean, just, it's never an environment for you to do good you know what I mean and so now I'm around a bunch of gang members and they're like well you've now failed UA's you've now fought so now you got to put in some work and I'm like

okay I guess like that's just the progression of nature right so then they pick out me and this other young kid and we got to jump this dude so we're going to jump him first time I've ever really been maced like the first time I got maced they sprayed me in the head and it was like it's like mk something like mk 40 not that bad wash it off whatever this time they came in with fire hydrants and it's just because you're in max now so now they're like okay now these are the hardened inmates so they just open the bean slot to this unit and just just a fire hydrant of spray of this orange OC spray because you jumped somebody who did you jump another strain yo dude he drama within the group uh he ended up not being knocked and he they said he was no good that we

had to jump him. Turns out that was, it was just drama, and they just wanted him jump for no reason. So we just beat the shit out of this dude for no reason. Right. And afterwards, he was super cool about it. And he was like, you know, no hard feelings. You're just doing what you're doing. He's like, good for you. Like, keep it up. You're going to do good in here. And, uh, because in their mindset, he's been, he's, this dude, he was causing drama

within multiple prison systems for the Sreños out in, like, a federal prison. So it, there's so much drama. And if one person decides, that they have beef with you they'll just have you beat up right so that's really what it boiled down he beefed with someone that he shouldn't have

and they were like yeah beat him up so they spray us I mean just dump I mean I always look like an oompa head to toe orange and they have an hour to decomp you so they pull up the victim first the dude getting beat up

right right away and then they leave me and this other kid for an hour dripping in mace oh my god our skin is on fire then they pick you up and the cops are just like, uh, the sergeant was cool. He's like, open your eyes. And I was like, nah, f you, dude, I can't open my eyes. Like, they're on fire right now. I'm freaking snotting. Just, everything's running. It just, you can't breathe. It hurts. It feels like this sunburn on your

skin. I have a horrible sunburn right now. But so he's like, open your eyes. You got to flush them out. You got to flush them out. I'm like, screw you dudes. You're trying to mess with me. He's like, I'm telling you right now. I've been doing this 15 years. Open your eyes. Finally open them, get them to flush. And then they take you to a shower and they give you one minute to decom in a hot shower. hot or cold you choose i was like cold he's like no you want to open your pores hot opens the pores gets the oc spray out of the pores it's gonna burn really bad he's like but get ready fully clothed cuff behind the back they just stick you under shower for one minute let that water run over you pull you out and throw you in a cell here's dry clothes here's a towel then you bird bat so you're just

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pores just lights up it just is the worst excruci I was like this is stupid I should never as soon as they were like stop that's when everyone should stop and then they charge you for it so you get a bill in the mail it's like 160 bucks for every can they had to use they bill you right so not only did spray me now I'm in the hole and now you're sending me a bill I was like what the damn which I deserved it uh so then now I'm in the most trouble I could be in in prison I ms I fighting so they say well now you're an issue so you're going to add say administration segregation uh 23 hour lockdown allowed out for an hour so I did a year of that uh and that was actually the best time in prison I've ever done right I mean I was gonna say my

the everybody's like oh I was in the shoe free 18 months. It was horrible. I was in the shoe for not 18 months, but for like 45 days one time. And it was great. Like it was, you know, I had my own cell. We didn't have to take a cellie. I got to read all the time. Different part of it. I had a TV. Oh, hell. If I had a TV, you wouldn't get me back to the year. You're in and saying, so for the first 60 days, I didn't have a TV because I'm in trouble. So they take all your property. But then after 60 days, you get your TV, you get your hot pot, you get. You know, there's an federal prison life. I know, there's no TV. There's no nothing. See, that's crazy. You guys didn't have. But I mean, I mean, And we're spending $400 on a 13-inch clear flat screen. And then I got out and there's a 75-inch TV for the same $400. Tell me those prisons aren't making... Yeah, they're making a ton of money. Oh, my gosh. And so, yeah, I did a year in there.

And by this point, especially if you're clicked up and you're trying to gang bang, I mean, they look at you, they look at it as like, you've made it now because now you're an adzegs. So that's all the big homies. I mean, that's the big gang members from the Serenios, the Nortenos, the Aryanians, the Aryanites, The SVC, that's the big homies, you know what I mean? You do understand what people are going to do to you in the comments because you're just, you know, when you're trying, you just, when you're trying, you're trying, well, you know, when you're trying to gang bang, like, bro, like look at you. I know, I know. That's crazy.

I know. I mean, this is, this is insane. Listen, listen, you, I'll send you the picture. I'll send you the picture where it's, it's me and literally all of the big homies for. You look like you walk out of a prep school. In Max. Listen, in Max, no, I'm also not Mexican. I'm Italian.

So this, that was a whole other issue. That was a whole other issues. I get in there, the Aryan nights. It's like, and even, you know, Alex, I mean, it might as well be Kip. You know, get Kip down here, man. Keep the care of this, man. Like, you know what? It was just not.

Listen, it got, and it, one thing led to another, and all of a sudden it was like, it made, you know what makes me think of? Malibus Most Wanted. That's what, yeah, people would say. Yeah, I mean, you saw the, I said you mugshots, didn't I? I mean, you'll have to, I'll have to pull them up and, yeah, I'll have to show you. And then the picture of me and so like, I can't believe they would want you in the gang. I'd be like, we can't do this is going to, this is damaging our.

So the issue, the issue is at first, it was my homie little Joe pulled me up and he's like, you're supposed to make us look good. He's like, don't do drugs, don't get in fights and get your GED. And he's like, you know, make the homies look good. make us look like we're not pieces of shit right but then i was like well i like to do drugs and i don't want to get my gd so then he's like yeah but if you want to do drugs then you got fight so like are you okay with fighting and i was like no i don't want to fight so then but they all led to that anyways because i wanted to do drugs and i did get my gd though i did do that so hold on i was high there you go but i did do that and so i was able to do that that was good yeah

no i get that the stories just don't make sense do that no you can and here's the crazy part My DORs, so my DOR's in prison, definitely don't make sense. If you got the reports of me in prison, you'd be like this, what, you'd be like, it just, because if. I can imagine SIS when you first got to federal prison reading your state prison report, and then you walk in the room, they're like, no, no, we're looking for an adult. We're looking for Gruber. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. No, when I walked in the room, they were like, you're going to have to watch this video twice. This is the PREA video. Just, and like, everyone was like, dude, be. careful there was no when i was there and no people would say that to to to me like i i do really i was in the u.s marshals holdover there was a i'm assuming it was a may have been attempted i don't know but other than that going to prison like there's too many gay guys in prison yeah there's no one guys just giving it up yeah there's no one used to because there was one

when i was there and a kid wouldn't shower dude serving life his celly wasn't getting out his celly young kid came in wouldn't shower wouldn't clean the cell his celly so dude serving life took it as disrespect. So how is he going to disrespect the kid disrespecting him? Right. Take his ass. Right.

Everyone was like, whoa, that's an intense way of that, like, that's not okay. And that was the only, and the gay sticks. I mean, that happens all the time. That's, my wife's always like, oh, you did some weird stuff. And I'm like, no. For one, that was the other, the gangs back in the day, I guess they used to do that stuff. But then, I guess in the early 2000s, they changed. And so, like, you'd be.

in there and all these older guys would be like you used to you used to fuck dudes back in the day and they're like no no no no I would never do that I just watched I just stood watch I made sure I made sure the CEOs didn't catch him and I was like if you're stand and watch you were participating you'll fucking grandfather George was his name we used to talk about crap to him he's gonna die in there but so ad seg learned a lot there got out of ad sake and so a funny story there so we were only allowed to have the phones for one hour four times a week. My wife hates this story. So one hour, four times a week. The CEOs usually didn't care. They would let you have it for longer. So you had to put in a slip. They'd give you the

phone and you'd put it in for the second at 1 p.m. They'd give it to you at 1, take it at 2. Most CEOs didn't care. They'd let you hold on it. There was this one chick. She's probably like five foot. Just started there in Adseig and she was evil at 2 o'clock. Your hour should come take it. So my homie was like, hey, just get naked. When she comes to take it next time, just strip down naked and act like you're pleasureing yourself start you know you're in a cell by yourself he's like she's not going to stop she's not going to try to take it and i'm like that's a good idea so i do that i mean i take my watch off i take everything off i'm standing over the toilet i got the phone in my ear i'm not even on the phone she walks to that window bangs on the door and

looks me dead in the eyes and she's like give me the phone and i'm sitting there like uh excuse me i was like really like right now i'm in the middle of something she's like give me the phone hang up and give me the phone. I was like, are you, I was like, are you serious? Like, really? And she's like, you know what? I'm going to go get another CO. Storms out, gets a male CO. He comes in laughing his ass off. And he's like, dude, are you serious right now? You were butt naked, dick and a hand sitting there. And I was like, dude, she is evil. Like, she will not. I've never had a lady look at me dead in the eyes when you're doing that. And be like, give me the phone. He was like, he thought it was the funniest crap

ever. He left me the phone. He was like, you know what? You hold onto it for a little bit. And I was like, thank you. But there was a lot of cool CEO. those too like i mean i had great interactions with some staff there's a lot of dicks but after that uh ad seg i didn't get in too much trouble there there's nothing really you could do to get in trouble uh get out of ad seg get back to gp and at this point all my homies you're like oh you're gonna start doing stuff again fat girl left big girl left she uh went to ad seg she was like you know i can't do this anymore you're an ad seg i was like whatever what happened to the big girl that was coming to visit you to her she dipped out oh okay yeah

Because I went to AdSig. And once you start getting in trouble and you're going to the whole visits get taken, phone calls get taken. So then all of a sudden, you're just three months, six months a year. Yeah, she's upset. Yeah, you're just gone. Like you're just. Yeah.

And so she quit talking to me. But then I gone right a prisoner. Have you ever heard of that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So get on there. That does really good. Made a lot of money off there.

I mean, girls from all over the world. I'd write me at that point. Have you ever seen the TikToks with the girls? they're girls that you ever seen these I don't know why they show up online but you see in them

where there's it's a girl and she's clearly the girls are clearly sitting in the unit you can see it's like oh yeah yeah yeah and the girls are like hey my name's Jennifer

so a lot of those videos are Ada County they're like I fuck on the first date my reg numbers 407 it's like what that's our prison IDOC a lot of those videos are coming out of IDOC

they started a freaking Instagram page for the inmates where they'll record them off the kiosk in there and post their video on Instagram for them. It's hilarious. Yeah, it's hilarious. It's wild. And the girls say just insane shit.

And guys are writing them. Yeah. I mean, I got... Guys are in the comments like, I can fix this girl. Oh. She just needs a good man. But a lot of those girls think the same thing. So like...

Oh, I'm sure she said, they're these girls. I had a girl from the UK writing me, a stripper from Arizona, a chick from New York. And, I mean, each one of them would send me money. Yeah. And you're just like, this is nuts. Like, what's wrong with you? Put, but, but, but, but, but, but, yeah, hook it up, you know.

And they all think you're going to, freaking be together when you get out. But so I get out of ad stag and I was like, did you ever see that, um, I forget it was like love, whatever. Love after lockup. No, this was, this was like, it's, it's a documentary and there's a guy in there who, there's lots of guys that are dating women. Oh, yeah. But this one guy who's, I don't know. I wouldn't say it was good looking, but he's definitely in better, better looking than the chick.

This chick's got to be 100 pounds overweight easily. She's not, and doesn't look good. And she wants to get married. And so, and he's behind the glass. And the, the, the, uh, interviewer is like, so you're in, in love, he's like, sure. You know? And they're like, she wants to get married. You're going to marry?

He's like, yeah. And, and, and what does he say that? They're like, you're going to, so you're going to be getting out in a year. Are you planning on, like, staying with her? And he was, he's like, yeah, whatever. Like, he's, you can just tell. And she's so horrible. It's so horrible.

Like, the woman is sitting there and she's just like. They're in love. It's like, what do you? Like, you know this guy's not staying with you. You're sending them $500 a month and you're coming to visit them and buying them stuff out of the vending machine. She was sending me, she was, she would bring this stuff to visiting. I'm making a ridiculous amount. I would go back on the tier, make a bunch of money.

And then still, I would call her, be like, yeah, I just need money on the books this week. And then she'd send me money. And I'm like, what the hell? Like, not only are you committing a felony, or multiple felonies, you're still sending me money. They will, yeah, they end up believing whatever they want to believe. I guess whatever you tell them. There's have to be TikToks, because you understand. This is horrible.

This is a horrible. Oh, yeah, this is going to be a horrible. This is horrible. Oh, we can, so I got to, we can talk about. tattoos later and i got a yeah you have a tattoo or no i got you no i got a dick tattoo i got in there oh my oh yeah oh yeah i got some dumb tattoos but y'all make a tic-tok what about the guys that get um uh like they'll put like pearl what do they call that oh yeah we tried that that shit

a pearl in your dick yeah that's yeah guys will put stuff in there yeah shit and listen this one guy swelled up yeah like a fucking and guys are like bro you gotta go you and he said no i don't want to go. I'll get a shot. Get a shot. You're going to lose your shit. What are you doing? I was so scared when I so it turned black. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, oh my God. And I was like I'm going to lose it. These guys are putting like like they're putting like dominoes, sand them down until they're or you have to use porcelain or you have to use porcelain or they'll make they'll make them into like a Yeah. Little little designs or a heart house a heart like they got a charm bracelet. They're building and then they charm bracelet. What they do is they pinch the skin, fold it over, slight.

make a slice, and when you let go, the skin goes back and they created a pocket. So you could slide that bead in there. Push it in. And then... They were doing this on my rider. Dudes were doing this on my rider. So, I mean, you know, like, he's a Christian. I almost did it.

He's a Christian, so he's got a star. He wants to buy a house when he gets out. He was in real estate. He wants a dollar. You know, it could be a dollar sign. Dudes would get dollar signs. Dudes would get dollar signs tattooed on their dig just so they can be like, oh, you're going to blow money?

And I'm like, that's, I mean, mine is down too. But the beads, there was... dudes would slit their tongues my selling at one point did a writer or a program and ad say to get out early didn't work out but dudes slit his tongue with a razor blade and uh when i was in his cell he was like i think i need to slit it a little bit longer and so he and at one point i was like you know what i'm going to do that too and then i was like you know what i'm not doing that it and looks like it hurts tattoos were the furthest thing i did with bodily harm and mutilation in there and that was i mean prison prison prison stupid huh back at my end yeah i guess i

got my mom's name on the back of my neck. Just dumb tattoos. I bet she was proud. She actually does like that one. And I'm getting to remove that. My mom loves that one. She's so proud of that. It's pretty trashy.

It's pretty trashy. Was it Boziac got ghetto white boy? Did he really? Yeah, on his stomach. And he said, and he says to the guy, I want you to pick the most white trash fought you have and tattoo

get a white boy on my fucking stomach. He's got a lot of tattoos though that dude. It's insane. Eventually I'll get more. But then AdSick came to a rap year in there. They kicked me out. Oh, that's an amber alert going off. Yeah, missing child or something.

I felt that going off in my pocket. No, we can get to that too. My dad ended up kidnapping a kid. Not kidnapping. He borrowed a child. He borrowed. I was like, 14. My dad thought he was a tattoo artist.

Oh, my God. He tattooed his 14. Out of what? No, no, no. Out of my fucking helicopter. My remote control helicopter I just bought. I bought like a fucking, those big ones and I was flying it in the house.

And he's like, no, dude, get that outside. Go outside with it, whatever. End up leaving. Come home. And it's broken. And I'm like, Dad, what the fuck? Dude, my helicopter. And he's like, oh, I wanted to see a high I could fly. I was like, what do you mean? he's like i just flew it straight up until it disappeared and then it came back down and exploded

on the ground and he's like but now we got this motor so let's make a tattoo gun and i was like that's a great idea we we sharpened a guitar string he took a piece of guitar string off of the guitar he had we're this is this is 20 to 12th this is the stuff

that inmates do not that you can go you can go in you just go to the go to a tattoo go to go to a no he bought indian ink from a hard uh we went to a hobby craft store and bought Indian ink instead of buying tattoo ink, sharpened guitar string bought Indian ink. It sticks.

Instead of using like soot and stuff, a lot of prisons, they used to allow Indian ink. And then they took it away because of the tattoos. I can show you real quick. So this tattoo, he had a manila envelope from when he was in prison and he had some of the stencils from the tattoos he did. And so we're

going through it and I was like, that looks like a great idea. It was supposed to be a Viking. Oh, you're getting it removed or it's just spayed it over? No, I'm getting it removed. Yeah, it's not good. At 14, I thought I was fucking cool. And they ended up good. Afterwards, he did tattoos on people that ended up like good tattoos.

This was a fifth of tequila. I was drinking Burnett's vodka and his girlfriend was making out with my neck as he was tattooing it. And I was like, if my dad finds out, he's going to beat the shit out of me. So, like, I couldn't move because if he saw her making out with my neck, then he would snap on me. So I was like, I'd just sit here and fucking take it. Yeah. And I had a tattoo that I thought was the coolest thing ever.

All right. So what are we doing that? Yeah, go for it. I don't care about anything. So ad sake. So now I'm in ad sake a year. Coming close to an end. I don't know.

And coming out of ads say you come out with like, oh, I'm freaking tough. I'm hot shit now because that's how they view it in prison. You've made it to ad say you're coming back. And this is actually the time. So I come back. I get a job in laundry with CO flowers. I'm going to throw him out there because this is the CEO I tried to bribe and he ends up getting me in trouble. Get a job in laundry making 30 cents or 28.

It was the best job in the prison at the time was laundry. He was super cool with me. So he was like, you know what I'm going to give you a chance, Gruber. just had a head sick. We're walking through the hall one day, and I decided to try to bribe him. Next thing you know, I'm getting taken to the hole,

spending 30 days in the hole for trying to bribe a cop. I was like, no, it was a joke. I wasn't being serious. They were like, you know what? In this situation, we really don't know with you. So they were like,

we're not going to take you back to Max because you really could have been joking. So I was like, yeah. They kicked me out. At this point, I don't have my big girl anymore that was bringing me in stuff. She kicked me to the curb

because she was, you know, it's hard so i was like dang i still got to get stuff in here so i link up with two people and i'm like you guys is your guys's girlfriends are going to bring it in you guys each get one balloon out of the three whatever so then that works out uh for a little bit and then one of them gets busted bringing it in and i mean one of the dudes is serving 20 years fixed and 20 years into tournament so 20 years in prison 20 years on parole right he's 40 something years old just got sentenced. So he, no matter what, is not going to have a parole hearing until he's like 70 years old.

Right. You would think. 60, but that's fine. But he was like late 40, so close. He's going to be like almost 70. You know what I mean? So I thought if he gets busted, no way, he's going to rat.

Right. The other dude, I mean, both these guys are gangsters, gang members. So in my mind, no one's going to rat. Everyone rats. So gets busted, bringing it in. Right away the girlfriend rat. The girlfriend, the wife of one of the guys is on probation.

She's a felon, has a gun in her car, gets caught bringing dope into the prison, or crystal. And she gets five years, one plus four. So they all get busted really quickly. They all rat on each other. I'm the only one that no one talks to at first. So I'm like, huh, that's cool. I mean, they have nothing on me. The only thing I did was, and so by this point, I'm not bringing it anymore.

So now I'm having people drop it off. So I'm making the phone calls being like, hey, I need a pair of white shoes dropped off here. I need a pair of black, whatever here, calling my sister, hey, well, you know, arranging things to be dropped off in specific colors, which is not smart. Right. Come to find out. So it all comes crashing down. I'm sitting there in prison. I'm supposed to have a visit with my mom one day.

And they call me over the intercom. They're like, Mr. Gruber, you have someone here for you. And I was like, oh, I'm going to the dentist. like cool and they're like no aida county jails here 80 county sheriff's department at the prison for you i was like that doesn't make any sense what the hell so they take me to 80 county jail and i get booked in for uh introduction of contraband into facility and i was like well what the hell everyone ratted on me so they're hitting me with introduction of contrabanded facility which is max five years so i'm coming close to an end out of this point of the five years i'm now like four and a half years in

to my five-year sentence. Well, the Ada County judge tells me there's no point of giving you a bond because you're in prison, so we're going to give you a $10,000 bond. Whatever, you're in prison. I have 45 days until I get out or something. Go to court, get the bond, go back. During this, my mom was supposed to come visit me, so I tell my cellie, I said, hey, call my mom and tell her that I went to the dentist.

I can't come, she can't come to visits. And he's like, yeah, okay, yeah, that's going to work. He calls my mom tells her the next day I go get, they post my mom. mugshot online. I get booked into Ada County Jail. Next day I call my mom and she's screaming at me. I mean, just bloody murder. Because her friend

saw the mug shop and said, hey, isn't your son in prison? Why is he getting booked into Aida County Jail? So that's just hell. Screaming at me, yelling at me, I'm done visiting you. I mean, this is the last phone call you'll ever have with me. She's been visiting me every Saturday for five and a half years,

bringing a roll of quarters. And I'm like, shoot. I don't screw it up. No more hamburgers on Saturdays. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So I convince her that it's a misunderstanding, and she needs to come talk to me. Because at this point it is.

At this point, it's two dudes got busted, bringing drugs in, and they're saying that I had a part of it. There's no, I didn't have a part of it. There's no, the charge is introduction into a facility. That's an easy charge to beat, because I did not introduce drugs into a facility. Right. So in my logic at this point is,

I can take it to trial and win. And if I lose, they hit me with five more years. I just did five, whatever. So I convince her you got to come to visiting. I'll explain everything in person. These are recorded phone calls. I can't talk about it over the phone call. Fuck your phone call.

She comes. She's bawling her eyes out. And she tells me this is the last visit you'll ever see me. I have a buddy in visiting being like, no, just listen to the story. It's going to be okay. Trying to do some sketchy Mexican Southsider. And my mom's like, shut the fuck up. And I'm like, shut the fuck up.

Like, this is not helping the situation. Yeah. Buddy tattoos on his face and crap. I convinced her that it wasn't what it seemed that at the time, because at the time, I thought, there's no way they could charge me. Right. Oh, they've already charged you, but there's no way they can convict you. Yeah, there's no way they convict me of introduction of contraband into a facility

because I did not introduce anything. Right. So then she's still like screw you and done seeing you, and I'm saying it's fair. So then I go to court again before I get out. they changed the here they changed the charge to conspiracy to introduce but it's still only five years because now it's two or more people conspiring to introduce into a facility still only max five years so i asked my attorney and at this point i have a public defender he's an old man he's about 80 years old and he stutters horribly and i'm like this i'm going to prison this is it

you know i've been in prison for five and a half years i can't pay for an attorney this poor sturdering old man goes, we need to take it to trial. And I'm like, buddy, I don't know. We didn't take it at least. What the fuck? I've never had to trial. I've never had a public defender be like, we're taking this to trial. They want you to plea. No, not this guy. He's like, oh, buddy, we're going all the way. And I'm like, I don't know, man. And if I am like, let's go, because the max they can hit me with at this point is five years. So if I take it to trial and lose, judge gets mad, five more years. You're going to prison. I was like, I can do it again. I got my TV. I'm set up. There's no benefit taking a plea.

Yeah, at this point. So then all of a sudden I top out my time. Mr. Gruber, roll it up. You're going home. And I'm like, what? I am. No, Adity County Jail is here to pick you up, buddy. Dumbass.

So, Aida County sheriffs are there. They act like they were going to let me out of prison in the custody of 80 County Jail. And they booked me, brought me there. Sister, not this, my oldest sister, not this one, comes, half sister, bonds me out, luckily, a $1,000 bond. And so now I'm out, and I just top five. What about the federal? federal time. So I topped that during this. Oh, okay. So during this, I topped that. And at one point, I was able to go to a farm because finally I topped my federal time. So I got rid of the federal hold. And my points were only three. So for about two weeks in my prison sentence, I was able and eligible to go to a farm. But you kept getting all the shots and everything else. Yeah, kept being an idiot. So lose that chance. Top that. And my whole worry was, so now I'm topping out of a sentence, topping out while getting out on federal supervised release. but bonding out to fight a new felony.

So I was like, how are my federal, how's the fed's going to feel about this? So I just didn't say anything. I didn't tell I get out, bond out, meet with my federal supervised release officer. I didn't say anything. Didn't say I was facing charges. I was like, I'm just not going to bring it up.

Right. So now I'm out and I'm now fighting this charge. Well, I go to court. This was actually the time my now wife goes, I hung out one day, my girlfriend and I got her to hang out with me. She blew me off for about four months. Wouldn't hang out with me again. So I used to hit her up all the time.

And one day finally, she was like, I'll go to lunch with you. And I was like, all right, but after we have court, she's like, all right, I'll go to court with you, I guess. Her. And this day, they changed the charge from conspiracy to introduce to conspiracy to deliver. So I get to court. We go, one of our first dates. Then we go, it was basically. before this yeah we're friends

so then we go out to breakfast then we go to the court and I'm first and then I've co-defendants so I get up and my attorney tells me well before court he's like they're changing your felony and I was like okay what are they changing it to and he's like well if you don't

take a 10 year deal two plus eight they're going to hit you with the persistent violator just five to life in Idaho it's a new felony three or more felonies persistent four or more is the habitual in Idaho so the official's 25 to life persistence five to life. So once you get hit with the persistent five to life, then after that, if you catch another felony, then it's the habitual 25 to life. So he's like, yeah, they're

going to hit you with the persistent violator five to life if you don't take this 10 year deal. And if you, they're changing your felony now to conspiracy to deliver a schedule whatever narcotic crystal. And I was like, well, I mean, how much time does that hold? He's like, well, they can sentence you anywhere from zero to life. And I was like, well, hold on. That changed pretty big dramatically from five years to zero to life. And he's like, and if you don't take the deal, they're going to hit you with the persistent, which is five years fixed and life up to life into prison.

And I was like, so what's the worst case scenario? Worst case, you take it to trial, you lose, and you get two consecutive life sentences. And I'm like, well, what should we do, dude? Like, hold on. And he's like, oh, take it to trial, take it all the way. And I'm like, okay, but at this point now. Was he like, stuttering, stuttering.

Ask my wife. I was like, I'm dead. I'm dead. Like, this is, it's over. Life sentences, two of them. We're gone. But this dude's so confident. He's like, no, they got nothing.

Let's go. But he's not, but he's not saying that. He's, he's, he's stuttering it. He's stuttering. He's, he's, he's, he got nothing. And he's like, 80 years old gray hair, little old decrepit man. So I'm like, what is his name? He's doing this.

He's doing this for something to do. That's what, but like, but, but, but public defenders will never take it to trial. But he's saying the only thing they have. have on you is for one four people that are drug addicts two being in prison the other two are currently drug addicts they all got five years he's like if we get him on the stand we can tear him apart he's like i'll ask for ua's i'll he's like i'll do everything i can to make sure that these witnesses are discredited right and i'm like sweet and he's like the only thing they have on you is saying some really yeah odd shit on the phone like out of line shit yeah yeah randomly you're

talking about a lot of white dresses and so i'm like okay well what should we do he try it let's go. So I'm like, all right, let's do this. Let's go. Get up. They read off my felonies, read off the potential to consecutive life sentences. I have to go sit down for my co-defendant. I go sit down next to my now wife. The little old lady next to me, we're just sitting in the stands of the courtroom. She turns to me and she's like, you've been a really bad boy. I was thinking in my head, I could kill you right now. In the state of Idaho, it's 25 years. So I'm facing up to two life sentences. Like, I could, I kill you and only get 25.

Yeah. And get last time. So really is that what you want to say to the kid that's like, what the heck? I know I've been a bad boy. That's why I'm here. Whoever you're here for has been a bad boy lady. Like, come on. She might be there just to watch the old guy work. I just like, watch him work.

He ended up being the best attorney ever. I mean, fought his butt off. So at this point I'm out, federal supervisor released out, getting you a way two to three times a week. I mean, doing everything I need to do, jump through the hoops, got a car, got a job. graduated my drug and alcohol counseling graduated from UA's did I mean I did probation per my federal supervisor release officer is like if I had she was also in love with me a little short blonde chick I mean just the nicest lady to me hated my wife hated everyone anyone that was at the house but me she'd get me into my bedroom

she'd say oh let's go talk in your bedroom alone I'm okay she'd like oh I just got my whole side tattooed I'd really love to show it off and I was like you are just getting yourself I don't know what the hell I was like what My, well, yeah, they didn't like each other. But she was like, you were the easiest person. If everyone was as easy as you, she's like, this would be simple. And I was like, thanks. But the whole time I'm fighting this felony, have to do a PSR, have to do, I didn't tell my federal

supervised release officer that you were fighting this case. Yeah, which I'm sure she knew. Maybe. Maybe not, right? Yeah. So then I wait until the PSI for my state charge, and I tell my PSI investigator, I'm on federal supervised release if you want to talk to anyone to ask her. right her opinion because i mean a PSI pre-sentence investigation so yeah i don't know the feds they

don't really do did they yeah they had a PSI officer but they're doing for the point system right yeah yeah so this is just it's kind of the same thing they'll recommend what the judge to do and in my situation for some reason the PSI officer recommended probation i'd been out now a year been fighting this charge uh they offer 10 years we turned it down they offered a two plus eight no way i was like i'm not doing that that's too much time uh right before trial they came back and they offered me a one plus four they said you know what we'll give you the same deal we gave everyone and i said yeah i'll take it i was like one plus four is not that bad been doing good uh my attorney was like we take it to trial we fight not to trial we take it to court

fight the judge say don't send him back to prison like clearly he doesn't do good uh so i but in my mind i was like okay i'm going back to prison one plus four uh got to get ready for that it just i wasn't ready the PSI recommended probation my federal I think that helped having the federal judge or federal supervised release officer write a letter to the judge she ended up writing a letter to my judge being like don't send this kid back to prison right like he does amazing he does great he's doing great I had a letter from the dean of the Mormon church the bishop in the Mormon church write me a letter on Mormon letterhead I had one of the head purchasers for Winco Foods write me is this where you were working no my buddy my really good buddy is one of it's one of the one of the higher ups in WinCo. So he wrote me a letter recommendation on the WinCo letterhead. Right. I probably shouldn't be talking about all this because I don't know if Winco knows that. That's fine.

Yeah, they're like, hold on. I mean, they know because they deal with a lot of. Yeah. He just said you were a good, what did he say? You were a good kid. Yeah, a good kid. Yeah. And it turned out I was.

Yeah. And then I just had a lot of really good things going from me when it came to court. So we went in there just expecting prison. I mean, one plus four, you're taking a deal. It's rare that the judge is going to go under your deal. We get up there, the prosecuting attorney lights me up. I mean, just paints a picture of a gang member in prison, addicted to money, doesn't care about anything, doesn't care about his family, doesn't care about his life,

a drug addict, just pretty accurate so far. Yeah, it was, I mean, he painted a very accurate picture of me when I was in prison. Right. But me now is two different pictures, right? Prior to prison. Yeah, prior to prison. Okay, so basically, yeah, my life up until then. so he paints yeah a very truthful picture of what i did in my past and i mean at this point

i'm sitting there and i'm like oh fuck here we go like it's time to go to prison i gave my keys to my stepdad i was like here you go buddy like i think they're there's by the time my mom's crying she's like that's not my son i thought she was gone no because now i'm doing good because i'm doing good this is a lot time to see me last phone call after all that after all that yeah so i'm doing good now i get out i get out of prison uh i had to pull out to her house with my new stepdad. He must be thrilled. Oh, no.

He's never been around. He was very Christian, never been around drugs. My sister and I were the first people that were ever high around him and he did not like that. He was freaking, did not like, yeah. So getting out of prison to live with him,

I was like, this is going to be awkward. And it was awkward. Yeah. At first, it was freaking weird. And it became cool. We're actually, I mean, he's more of a father to me

than my father was ever a father. so in the long run it worked out and he helped me he helped me get my first job he walked me into a construction company that his buddy was a manager of and was like hey you're going to hire we hire my stepson they gave me a chance and i busted my butt i was able to work up until i was i mean i just worked my but i was when they gave me a chance i was like i will never when it comes time to work i like to work i like to work with my hands i work construction I've done sales, I've sold technology, I've sold oil, I've done a lot of things. When it comes time to work, I just love construction.

So that helped guide me in the right path of this is what you're going to do. Get a phone, get a car. I'd never had a phone. I'd never have a car. I never had a license. So at like 25, my mom helped me get my license. I had a license for about a week, got it suspended at 18. And so then my mom helped me get it back.

So then I'm driving, doing everything, working. graduate from my drug and alcohol counseling, graduate from my UAs. I did everything the feds gave me to do as quickly as possible as perfectly as possible. So then get to sentencing, the judge, the prosecuting attorney

says all those horrible things and I was like, pretty accurate though. Right. Not, not, it's, can't argue it when it's truthful. Yeah.

But you're like, damn, you feel defeated. You know, they just yelled at you for the last, yelled about you for the last half an hour and called you a piece of shit. So I was like, going to prison, judge gets up. My attorney fought really hard and was like, you know, Mr. Gruber doesn't do good in prison. You can clearly see all of these incidents happen in prison. Like, if you look at his track record in prison and you look at his track record now, he didn't do good. He doesn't

do good in prison. And the judge took that into consideration for some reason was like, you know, Mr. Gruber does not do good in prison. So instead of this one plus four, he said, I'm going to give you a two plus eight. And I was like, what the, what the hell? Hold on. And he said, oh, but I forgot to tell you I'm going to give you probation right and I was like okay so hold on what and he's like I don't think five years is enough to scare you and he's like I think 10 years will put the fear in you he's like so I'm going to give you 10 two plus eight uh if you mess up on probation I'm sending you to prison for two years then you'll go in front of the poll board and they'll decide if you get out or now and I was like okay and he said for the first 90 days so for the first three months I had to check in once a month every month at court I'd have to go to go to court I'm hearing for me and he'd be like how you're you're doing and i'd sit there and no no attorney just me and him and be like oh i'm doing good this is what i'm up to and then he did that for about three months and then he's like you know what you're fine you're good i have full faith in you uh and so he just cut me loose and was like i think you got this uh i mean it was emotional that court here that i thought for sure i almost cried because i was

like i didn't want to go back to prison i'd now been out a year right i had now built my life i had my girlfriend i was like i really don't want to go back like this sucks so he didn't send me back probation uh is she gonna is she saying if you do go no she's like i'm gone yeah she's like there's no she's like no she's like you're tripping because at this point we'd barely start dating and like i'm looking at a lot of time and i don't do good in prison so like the odds of me going to prison and getting out after the year is very slim uh i mean it's just i didn't have a good track record in there i didn't yeah and so at this point now i'm out passed all my ua's on state probation with federal uh the federal is easy it's a cakewalk uh i've heard some of your stories

about how you had a dick p o the first time yeah my first po really was i was also on the highest custody level for you know and so by the next custody level it was nicer it was she was very like whatever you know she could care less like and and they stopped i think and they stopped giving me UAs, too. There was a whole, well, it was in middle of COVID, so they stopped doing. So the COVID thing kind of made everything really nice. Yeah.

So if you wanted to do good during COVID on probation, you could still keep doing what you're doing. If you want to do bad, it made it perfect for people to do bad. But then it passed the, the people doing good, it made us look even better. Yeah. Because now they have to deal with all these shit sticks that used it as an excuse

to party and do drugs. My people were like, dude, you made it so easy on us. Thank you. Like, just keep doing it. And I was like, yeah. But mine was super cool. She caught me drinking one time and was like, are you drink?

There was like empty beers. And I was like, oh, this aren't mine. She's like, okay, have a good night. And I was like, all right. And so it just, probation was pretty easy for me. It was laxed. During COVID, I got out during COVID. So I got out May 11th, 2019.

So I've been out six years now. Got out May 11th. A year later got sentenced to probation for the state. So at this point, I already been on federal for a year. So I had two years of federal left. and my judge told me come back in three and a half or come back in four years and if you do good we'll look at your probation a couple years in my wife and I decide we're going to get married I ask my POs for the state and feds if I could leave to go to Mexico they say yes the feds they don't care they're like go I then tried to get a permission from the state and they were like oh yeah we screwed up you have to get a judge's court order I was going to say I had to get a court order to leave so for the state or for fed federal federal, my PO, I just hit her up. I was like, hey, I want to go to Mexico to get married.

She's like, okay. I think, I mean, and I was like, what? Every PO, I think someone were just making shit up. Like, well, first of all, I had to go, I had to, you have to understand too, I had to get, I wasn't going to Mexico. I was going to Amsterdam and I had to have a passport and one of my, well, two of my charges are passport fraud. So you weren't allowed to have a passport. Right. So I had to go to the judge and the judge had to say, yes, he can apply, get a passport and leave.

and she was kind of like, I don't think that's happening. Like you have a passport fraud charge. I could see where they could deny you then because the passport fraud. But he didn't. He was like, no,

no, you know, it was there for work. I was going for like work to pay my, you want me to pay my restitution? You have to let me go. Let me work. So that makes.

I mean, so the fans were like, yeah, you can go to Mexico. She was like, I don't care. And I was like, cool.

And then the state was like, I don't think you need a passport either for Mexico. You do. To get back. back in. Oh, really? And so I was allowed to have a passport. I was worried. The passport thing freaked me out. And I waited until I was, got permission from my state judge to then get my passport. But by that point, I'd expedite it. And I was like, oh, if anything holds up, we're screwed. And it came right through. Yeah, they didn't hold anything back. But the judge,

I was the first person for the, he, I got a new judge when I was getting sentenced to the state, which was kind of nice because he wasn't jaded off of people coming in the rotating door of the criminal system. Right. So new judge. jaded was like oh give you probation gave me probation a year later i was like i need to get married he said i've never let anyone leave the country and at the time i was in out a year and go to this hearing it's video court because it's during covid and the prosecuting attorney gets up and says you know we were actually thinking about violating mr gruber today and i was like for what like hold on what the and the judge's like hold on mr grueber like hold on let him speak oh mr grueber was

$1,500 he's owed this $1,500 since the day he got out and he hasn't made a single pay payment. And I was like, okay, for one, my attorney never told me about this. You guys have never contacted me. My P.O.'s never contacted me. I was like, if you guys want to make this such a big deal, why isn't anyone told me I owe you $1,500? Like, what's going on? Right. My judge was like, I believe that you are unaware of it. He's like, but I also believe that you owe the money. He's like, so we'll reconvene this court hearing in two weeks. He's like, I want to see what you can get done with this payment plan. He's like, I want to see you set up a payment plan. He's like, then we'll talk about your trip. Next day I went down to the courthouse

drop out $1,500. Two weeks later, had the hearing. And he's like, so what did you get set up? I said, well, I paid the $1,500. Right. And he's like, what do you mean? I said, I have a receipt that shows. I paid the full $1,500.

I was like, I want to be done with it. And he's like, well, I guess that really doesn't. He's like, there's no reason for me to say no. He's like, I mean, that was it. And I was like, well, then can I go? And he's like, oh, yeah. He's like, I'm going to approve you going to Mexico. I was like, heck, yeah, all right, sweet.

Went to Mexico, got married, had a great time coming back into America. the border patrol, they are not nice. As soon as I hit Texas, handed my passport, you got permission to leave the country? Yeah. We got a code red.

I was like, what do you mean to code red? I'm with my wife and her dad, two more border ages come over. You have to come with us, sir. I was like, for what? What do you mean? I have to come with you guys?

And do you have permission to leave the country? Are you allowed to exit, enter? I was like, yeah, it's all right here on my phone. Oh, you need to put your phone in your pocket right now. I was like, yeah, but the permission for me to leave is right here. The lady looked at me and said, put your phone in your fucking pocket right now. I'm not going to ask you again. And I was like, I'm sorry, man.

Like, sorry. They pull me in an interrogation room. I mean, dudes were, have you, Border Patrol is dirty. It's a dirty interrogation room. Like, it's not nice. And like, there's people from the Middle East. There's, I mean, everyone, there's a lot of people in this room. Dude's yelling, I've been here 18 hours.

I want to know what the thing's going on. I'm like, oh, God. I'm never getting out of here. I'm like, this is horrible. I mean, 20 minutes, that's all it took. They were like, you got permission? I was like, yes, sir, here it is. All right, you got drugs, bombs, alcohol?

Nope. All right, leave. I was like, that was it, that all of this just asked me three questions. Yeah, all right, have a good day. I was like, that was so stupid. I haven't been stopped since, though, by Border Patrol. But got out, and then so got married, still do. I've done pretty good the whole time.

I've never had any slip-ups, never relapsed. Did you get off probation? Yeah, so three and a half years into it, I petitioned my, so my attorney, the old man at this point, is retired, which sucked. So then I go to petition the courts to get off early, and I try to hit it my attorney, and the public defender's office, like, he retired. I was like, no, what the fuck? No, there's no way. He's the best attorney ever. They gave me some lady, and she was just stupid.

She's like, oh, you're not getting off. I was like, yeah, I don't care what your opinion is at this point. Like, just put in the pay of work because I want to go in front of my judge. My judge and I had a really good relationship. Like, I would get up on the stand because after I got sentenced for those three months I had to go back in, I would go in there and BS with him. And so I'd go in there and be like, yeah, I mean, I really want to get into sales. I love selling stuff.

Clearly, you could tell. And he'd get a kick out of me talking about selling drugs. And he's just, he got a kick out of me being an honest person with him up there, just BS with him. Right. So now I know I have to go to try to get off early. I was like, just put in the paperwork so I can get in front of him and I can talk to him.

No, I don't think it's a good idea. I was like, I don't care. So I ended up having a filing at myself with his clerk's office, email his clerk's office, file it, get put on the docket, get in front of him. And of course,

prosecuting attorney, oh, he shouldn't get off. He's a freaking menaceda society. Ex-drug dealer. And the judge looked at me, and he's like, what have you been up to? We'd be asked for a minute.

He said, Oh, I got, so the officer that was in the courtroom that day was a deputy at Ada County jail when I was 18. So I see him. He sees me. He's looking at the paperwork, reads my name, looks at me. And I'm like, hey, court gets put on to a recess. I go up to him.

I'm like, hey, man, what's up? We're sitting there BS in. I'm like, oh, here's my wife. Introduce my wife to him. And he's like, you were such a shitstick. He's like, oh, my gosh. He's like, I would never forget you. He's like, you cause trouble.

You were just a menace. And he's like, to see you doing good is just so amazing. And we're sitting there BS in. And then it's my turn to go to court. And before the judge could say anything, that officer said, you know what, Your Honor? Is there any chance I can have a second to speak? And the judge was like, yeah, of course. And he said, you know, when Mr. Gru was 18 years old, he came into our jail.

And I watched him just destroy. I mean, he's like, he was a maniac. He didn't care about authority, just didn't care about rules, just wanted to get in trouble, be a shit stick. And to see him all these years later, he's now 30 years old. He's like, he's standing in front of me, trying to get off probation early. He's like, this is amazing. He's like, this is what I want to be a deputy for. This is why I want to be a deputy is to see this change.

And I was like, oh, that's cool. He shakes my hand. And then the judge was like, you know, usually I put people on minimum security for at least a year, minimum security probation. And he's like, I'm not even going to do that. And he's like, come up here, shake my hand and get out of my courtroom. And I was like, what? Like, what do you mean? And he's like, yeah, like, come up here, shake me.

shake my hand and get out. I was like, yeah, but like, what do I do? Like, what? I was like, what do I do? And he's like, Alex, come here, walk up here, shake my hand, and leave. You're free. How's it? I mean, that he was like, you're done.

And I got off. I mean, from 18 until freaking 28. Yeah, but then I was on probation for the next three and a half years, four years. Yeah. So it's all about 28. She's always ready to correct you, I know. Oh, yeah. It's like the big sister, like...

No, that one is my wife that corrected me, not my big sister. Oh, okay. They're both rating. No, they're both on point rating. Yeah, both of them are sitting there, the sisters the whole time. Waiting for me to screw something up, huh? Yeah. And so, but yeah, the judge specifically said, you know, you don't do good in prison.

Right. He's like, so good out here. Stay out of prison. That might be, yeah. And that's one, after watching your videos, I have wanted to go back and talk to him and be like, dude, why did you give me the chance? because there's no, there was zero reason if I was a judge

and that same kid was in front of me, I would have sent him to prison. I mean, you're a gang member in prison. You just do drugs. You bring drugs into prison. Like, there was never once in my criminal career where I was like, I stopped doing this.

Even in prison I was doing it. And then they're sentencing me for a charge that I picked up in prison. Right. I want to be like, why did you give me a chance there, guy? Yeah, you could write that letter. You know, he's probably playing golf right now.

Yeah, he doesn't care. stop by probably didn't want you to stop by his house probably have to write a letter yeah um yeah i've thought about writing my my judge a letter i've watched you yeah yeah it'd be cool you interview him i don't think they can i don't know if he you know even it's funny even though i would like to write that letter um and even though i'm sure in his mind he's like oh well you've you know well you know you you straightened out you did the right thing in my mind they still feel like they're here and you're here and there will it will always be a you know that kind of that condescending yeah but you got screwed feel nah i mean i i i i definitely feel like i think that my initial

sentence should have been probably insane it should have been 10 years yeah you know but you know the economy's crashing i had a prosecutor that every i've never spoken with anybody that didn't say she was she was she hated fraudsters i mean and it to a degree that it was like what do you you know i'm saying like it was just outrageous and everybody that got up every guy i met that had been sentenced that she was a u.s attorney on their case they're all of their attorneys were like oh no you don't understand she's he's the absolute worst like everybody across the board was like she she makes it seem like like she feels like you guys are murderers just waiting you're just you may not have murdered anybody yet but you're you will like like you're just

the worst person in the world and I think my attorney had told me what happened was one of her first cases was a fraud case that involved the russian mob and she they in the middle of a trial or the the whole proceeding they poised they had her poisoned oh and she ended up in the in the hospital and she's yeah she's always had medical issues or something after that i'm not gonna poison you Right. And that was the Russian mom. It could a bad taste her mouth. That's, I feel like she should have been taken off cases at that point. You would think that. And just like, just like you'd think like the whole, when you have judges and people are like, oh, there's a conflict of interest with this judge, most judges will be like, well, I don't care.

I, you know, I think I can be, I can, I can be neutral in this whole thing. And they're not. I can be impartial. So I'm not going to take myself. They're like, your honor. Like, you. You invested in the Ponzi scheme that this guy ran and now you're the judge in his trial. And he's like, yeah, I feel like I can be impartial. It's like, I don't think so. No. They're like, nah, I'm going to stay.

And you're like, the fuck's going on. Like, that's the, that is the definition of impartial. Exactly. Your money got taken. So it's just there's so many times that, you know, people watch law and order and they think that they're very, this is the way it works. And the truth is it's not. It's not the way it works. No, and they set their own rules.

They're sitting outside of a door where we can't go in. We have to try and get a warrant. We have to. The truth is it's like, I think I hear some, that they walk up. They go, I thought I heard someone scream. Bam, they kicked the door. One, like, even the funniest part is I always thought, I mean, the prison system, everyone, I'm going to talk about the prison for a second, because everyone talks about it being helpful.

And Idaho, they sent me there to get rehabilitation. And everyone, when I. On the website. Yeah. And when I talk about the drug use in prison, they're like, there's drugs in prison? Yeah. What do you mean? never once I don't think even the counselors in there gave a crap you know nobody yeah listen

nobody gets to the top of their field and ends up working in a prison so in a prison system then what the hell are we doing right well I mean I don't I don't know that I hate the I hate it when guys say like oh it's a it's all for money it's a money making thing well I mean I don't I mean I'm not saying people aren't making money there's the private prison system is a money making scheme. Right. And look, the guards, the COs that are there, it's, for the majority of the time, it's for the amount of money they make, it's an easy job. In federal, I don't know about state. Like state, I think they get paid crap. Oh, like $17 an hour. Yeah, but in federal, these guys are making, they're getting hired at like $30,000 a year. So you don't have to have a high school

diploma. Yeah. You can be. It's the retirement thereafter. You have like a year or two to get your high school diploma. So you can go to work there, make, let's say, 40,000 a year. And then very quickly, you can be making 50, 60,000 with overtime. After five or six years, these guys are making 80 to 100,000. You have a GED that you got two years after you got the job. Got the job. You go in your office, close the door. You count fucking three times a day. Like, you have almost no interaction with the fucking inmates like it is such a joke of a job the the big problem is if you say well they'll say it's a hard job it is a hard job in the sense that it's boring it's boring with moments of excitement but for the most part it's boring for them um and and and i think that and and they don't

care they want to they want to go to work they want to come home they want to collect a check i mean i met some cool COs that like they really don't care i'd say 20% of them are cool 80% are they've got a power trip you know what I feel like I wouldn't see the numbers are that big but well maybe power trip one yeah those numbers even if it's skewed even if it's 80 20 I don't think it's 80 20 but I'd say it's more like 20% or okay but then there's like there's like 20% that are just there for a check and then like 20% that I mean kind of care as long as you're not hurting people they're like uh don't get tattoos don't do stupid crap but then there's the 60% that are like you picked on me in high school or your your type of people

picked on me in high school so now I'm going to take it out on all of you make you miserable it's my job to make you miserable and those ones are the worst but I don't think that for the most part there are staff or counselors or unit managers I don't think that for the majority of those people who are there supposedly to help you try and get back on track sounds good yeah don't they don't give a shit No, they don't care. They don't care. They don't give a shit.

Fuck you. And in a way, the real problem is I think that maybe in the first couple of years, they do feel like. But then they watch the revolving door. They watch the remotes coming through. So what happens is like most programs in prison, the inmates ruin it. Right? So they would introduce a program and it'd be great for six months and the inmates would figure out some way to manipulate it or ruin the pro or steal from the program.

And then they shut the program down. Well, go, you guys ruined it. And the truth is. they do ruin it. Yeah. And the inmates ruin it. I mean, we're really good at ruining

everything they give us. But I think if you go to prison, if you really bust your ass, you can come up with a plan and you can kind of, you know, you can kind of fix yourself in prison, but it's really up to you.

I mean, yeah, you have to want it. Because there's prison, there's plenty of chances to get in trouble. Yeah. I mean, from gangs to drugs to playing cards. I mean, I've watched people get smashed out over freaking debts of poker or pinnacle or spades.

It's like, I'm guys from, I watched a guy get beat up with a lock and a sock or a belt, lock in a belt because he didn't return a hood novel. So, I mean, you were supposed to have returned to him. He's like, yeah, he led it to another guy. The guy lost it. I don't know where it is. And the guy was like, okay, well, you owe me this much money. He's like, well, I just lost the book. What's a big deal?

I'm not going to pay you this much money. Go fuck yourself. and the guy went, got a lock and caught him in his room and bra, bra, bra, bra, bra, bra. I was like, this is an $11 book. And one of the, so, AK, we don't have too many

Aryan organizations and I know. We have the Aryan Knights, AK. They're, one of their main dudes wouldn't stop, uh, fucking dudes. And they were like, they were like, dude, you got to stop. And he was like, no, I've been doing this since the 70s.

He's like, you guys aren't going to tell me to stop. So they stabbed him 17 times with a freaking screw. And like, they shit on the screw, go out there and stab him. him 17 times. And I'm like, what the over that. And so they're like, well, he's no good now. And he's like, I don't care. I'm going to keep talking to him. Do you live? Oh, yeah, he was fine. Yeah, he was perfectly

fine. So he was an old tweaker. The dude that was stabbing himself in the hand and actually gave himself an infection. The dude, Frank the gang. They called Frank the gangster. Frank the gang. Because he would steal whatever he wanted from anyone. He would just walk up to people and punk him out for their shit and be like, give me your shoes, motherfucker. And then beat the shit out of him if they didn't. And so he's called Frank the gang. And like, this dude, like 50 years old and could roundhouse kick i mean amazing round he showed off because he was like old tweaker he's like watching this like a roundhouse kick really good and he could so he'd

showed up but they stabbed him 17 times over i was like what the hell and his homies his good friends or allegedly good homies uh yeah the stabbings were not that crazy they not too many people got stabbed when i was there in federal prison they get stabbed yeah but they don't stab them like to kill you. They stab them with like the Yeah, little, you know, and they just want to put some holes in them so that they get taken off the yard. Well, that's what he got stabbed 17 times and people were like, oh, did he die?

Yeah. Like it was a screw. Yeah. It's like they poked him 17 times. Right. They shit on it to make it like he get an infection. And that was the gross part. It's just horrible. But he had done so many I swear, I was like he's not. So the next day he walked out of medical, walked onto the unit the dudes were at and he wasn't supposed to went into the cell of one of the dudes taking

a shit and was like we got a problem and the dude had his pants down was like no i don't know what happened i don't know what went on i don't know what that was about c o'c him cap cuff him up and take him out take him to max and they were like yeah that's not going to happen again that dude was he could have beat the shit out of all of them i i think that i've always mentioned this is that if you get like if you get stabbed or get into a fight in prison or or you get stabbed or something like you had it come in like oh i've never i don't know about a fight stabbing maybe i mean in federal prison everybody I knew that ever got really attacked

pretty much had it coming. Well, there's one guy that it was a mistake that I can think of that it was a mistake. There's probably a few of the mistakes. But because typically what they do, you run up a debt like, hey, man, you owe me $600. Like, what's going on? You've been gambling with me.

You ran up the debt. You kept saying you're going to pay. I kept letting you, now it's $600. You have to send me the money. And they're like, well, fuck you. I don't have it. And they're like, okay, well, then you got to check in. Like, the guy didn't go try and stab him.

You got to check in. I'm not going to check in. You're not going to do anything. Now the guy's got to do something. Or because he's running a gambling, you know, operation. Now everybody's going to think that they can run up debts. So now I have to do something. He, and he's smart.

He doesn't even do it. He has this guy to do it. Because now if he goes to the leaves, then I'll just pay him and they'll go to different places, but I'm not involved. And then when I was selling dope, I did the same thing. So in there, I never had to, if someone owed me money, I would never have to be like, motherfucker, you got to pay me. Because my homies, for one, I was the one supplying the dope. So, like, no one ever wanted to mess with the dope guy.

Right. Because in prison, it's pretty hard to smuggle drugs in. So if you have a steady source of drugs, no one wants to touch you. I mean, no one will try to fight you. And if someone owes you money, I've got my homies, I could be like, hey, go collect it for me. And they'll go do it because they know I'm the dope man. So, like, I'm going to eventually have drugs again. They're drug addicts.

So I'll give them, break them off or help me collect some money. You know what I mean? And so that's why I was able to look at the whole gang thing was stupid. I shouldn't have joined a gang. But I noticed that the drugs If you had drugs you controlled literally everything in prison Yeah If you could control the drugs

I mean no one's gonna touch you Because they want to get high Right No race is gonna do anything to you You could literally do whatever you want And so as soon as I was like That's what I gotta do Right

And yeah I was gonna say like Pete went with legal work If you're doing legal work Yeah nobody fucks with me Why this dude's do legal work For three different people Maybe I should have done that Six different

Probably wouldn't smarter And you become the go-to man it's kind of like you know my my wife always says that it wasn't so much she's like i mean i was able to pay my bills and have some money she's like but it was more you become important you do you know suddenly you're the person everybody calls and once you're that person then no one really mess with you because it's like no i'm talking about on the street oh yeah but just in general on the street suddenly you're important yeah wow one you you have money so you can get certain things done but two people look at you as being someone

like it's it's a look that they never had of you before like you're knowledgeable or something well and then so I never experienced the whole prison pocket thing we're talking about this really right I uh in prison now a couple years been hiding dope in my underwear by boxers and my buddy

was like what happens when they pull you out right now to strip search you well I don't know huh I'm handing my boxers right he's like well why don't you just keeping your butt I was like what do you mean did and he's like yeah like Because if you get, if they pull you out to strip search you right now, it's already there. So like, you don't have to hide it.

And I was like, that's actually freaking brilliant. And so, I mean, you don't know how it. You don't know how many times that I would be coming back from wreck with drugs. Hidden. Right. And they would, Mr. Gruber, come here, strip search, squat and cough. Take all your clothes off, throw it to him, squat and cough. All right.

Go back to your cell. And you're like, you're like, you're freaking, anyone that says, if you squat and cough and I mean, if they're like, well, the drugs aren't going to fall out? No, right? So if you squat and cough, are you just going to shit yourself? You're just going to poop by accident because you can't hold anything? I'm like, it's just stupid. Yeah, like, you can hold it in there pretty.

I mean, I was like, that's just so crazy. They think that's going to be the cause of them finding it. It's just going to shoot out of my, I don't know what they thought. But at one point, I had my cellie, my good buddy, he was like, hey, man, they're strip searching people. He woke me up. I was taking a nap. He's like, hey, they're in the cell next to us. They're strip searching people.

I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, yeah, our cell's next. I was like, why wouldn't you wait? I was like, stand by the window. Big old six-foot Hawaiian dude goes in the window. Two minutes later, not even two minutes. I'm all right, we're good. He's like, where did you just put those, the drugs?

I was like, in my butt. He's like, how the fuck? Did you just do that that way? I was like, buddy, when you got to hide something, it's gone. That's the, the wand. Do you remember Juan telling that story? He had that there was a guy. He's like, we paid a guy to keep a cell phone for us.

Oh, I don't know about a cell phone. Holy. Now, oh, Lord, Lord. It wasn't a big cell phone. He wasn't, it wasn't big, but it was a cell phone. It was a cell phone. And he was like, he's like, you don't understand. He said, it's, it wasn't the, I wasn't, she is, I wasn't amazed by the fact that he had this cell phone he was, because it was small.

He said, how quickly he was amazed how quickly he could get to it. And it was just like, Jesus. Like that was insane. Like literally, it's like a minute, let the guys go, hold on a second, walk in the other room and come right back out. I don't know. a guy got it he's like Juan's like it's just just fallout like what what's going on is there no muscle control

like what's happening so I had a cell phone at one point paid a tiner some the really impressive part is the guy that keeps the charger so I had one paid a bunch of money for at one point I was my cell didn't get to get service so I had to go up to a different cell

go up to the cell you can't go in other people's cells yeah I go in I'm sitting on laying back on my buddy's bunk texting someone and he's like hey I pretty sure I just heard the unit door I was like nah dude you're tripping I had an eight ball of crystal on me in a cell phone and uh I was like no dude you're tripping and he's like no go look out the door and I go look seals are walking up the stairs and I'm like oh shit so I lay down and act like it's myself put my headphones on watch TV and they walk in they're like Mr. Gruber come here I was like I was like I was

like why they're like we know this isn't yourself I's like all right what's going on they're like corporate white wants to talk to you out in the foyer get against the wall and at this point I had a pair of whitey tides on the cell phone was in the pocket of the whitey tides but whitey tides hang way down and then I had a pair of like loose boxer briefs on and then my shorts and I had the tiner or the eight mall in my boxers the cell phone in my whitey tides and just my shorts on it so he's like get against the wall I get against the wall and he starts patting me down and he goes up one leg and this cell phone is hanging whitey tides are loose they're the prison whitey tides these things are blown out so that phone is hanging like down here way down. He pats up my leg, hits that phone, and he's like, all right, come with me. And I'm like, oh, this is it. This is, I'm done. I'm cooked. Pulls me out to the foyer.

Mr. Corporal White was like, quit going into other people's selves. Now go back in the unit. And I was like, what? He didn't even pat down my other leg. I was like, the only thing he could think of is he hit that phone and thought that my dick was way down there. And I was like, I'm done patting down this kid. I'm done. And just let me go.

I was like, there's no other reason he should have. Right. He shouldn't have been like, what is in your pants? Nothing. And I gave the phone back to the guy I bought it from like two days later. And I said, don't even pay me back. I said, I don't want another five years. Yeah. Yeah. Did a lot of stupid stuff. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me favor. Hit the subscribe button.

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